Tuesday - Dec 23/08 - Morning Part 1

[ellegna]

Please take a moment to light a candle for Caylee :rose:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

[ellegna]

Florida authorities: Casey Anthony will not attend daughter’s funeral (http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/2008_12_23_Florida_authorities:_Casey_Anthony_will _not_attend_daughter_s_funeral/srvc=home&position=also)

Over 900 Children Must Cope with the Horror of Caylee Anthony (http://www.prweb.com/releases/caylee/anthony/prweb1783424.htm)

[damienstoy]

Florida authorities: Casey Anthony will not attend daughter’s funeral (http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/2008_12_23_Florida_authorities:_Casey_Anthony_will _not_attend_daughter_s_funeral/srvc=home&position=also)

Over 900 Children Must Cope with the Horror of Caylee Anthony (http://www.prweb.com/releases/caylee/anthony/prweb1783424.htm)

Thank you for starting the new thread for this morning!

While I agree that the children may need some help coping, I REALLY think they could have come up with a better headline for the press release, don't you?

(Back to lurking)

[Narcissist71]

Went to go to sleep and well

Just thinking about my comments about if the duct tape was wrapped around and used as a gag.....

I'm thinking since there was no soft tissue, the mandible wouldn't be connected to the skull since there is no soft tissue.....

JMO....so again unlikely that there would be proof of such.

I'm not saying anything is impossible, just unlikely.

[ellegna]

Thank you for starting the new thread for this morning!

While I agree that the children may need some help coping, I REALLY think they could have come up with a better headline for the press release, don't you?

(Back to lurking)

Good morning Damien
I agree about the title but I guess it was meant to catch readers' attention. It caught mine

[cassidy]

Florida authorities: Casey Anthony will not attend daughter’s funeral (http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/2008_12_23_Florida_authorities:_Casey_Anthony_will _not_attend_daughter_s_funeral/srvc=home&position=also)

Over 900 Children Must Cope with the Horror of Caylee Anthony (http://www.prweb.com/releases/caylee/anthony/prweb1783424.htm)

I must have missed the little nugget about Baez setting up a a tip line to catch the real murderer? Is that for real? Nevermind, I guess it is. Sheeesh!

[PuffDragon]

Thank you for starting the new thread for this morning!

While I agree that the children may need some help coping, I REALLY think they could have come up with a better headline for the press release, don't you?

(Back to lurking)

I agree with you, 'horror' is a bit strong. In my experience most children don't really understand about death yet, especially a death that isn't personal to them. it only becomes a 'horror' if their adults make such an issue of it that they begin to worry and imagine. I think if dealt with casually and with an explanation geared to the proper age level, there shouldn't be any 'horror' to worry about. Besides, it's the holiday season, kids are much more concerned now with the excitement and anticipation, the school will be closed very soon, if not already, and by the time they go back in January the immediacy of it will be gone. Some groups just overreact.

[cassidy]

I agree with you, 'horror' is a bit strong. In my experience most children don't really understand about death yet, especially a death that isn't personal to them. it only becomes a 'horror' if their adults make such an issue of it that they begin to worry and imagine. I think if dealt with casually and with an explanation geared to the proper age level, there shouldn't be any 'horror' to worry about. Besides, it's the holiday season, kids are much more concerned now with the excitement and anticipation, the school will be closed very soon, if not already, and by the time they go back in January the immediacy of it will be gone. Some groups just overreact.
I totally agree with you!

[clara2]

There was someone on NG the other night talking about the toxicology
tests being done...and he said that the hair(from her body) more than the bones could determine if chloroform may have been present.
lets hope that it does ,but I have question...did the hair in the trunk test positve for anything?

[RainyNiteNTx]

I must have missed the little nugget about Baez setting up a a tip line to catch the real murderer? Is that for real? Nevermind, I guess it is. Sheeesh!

Yeah I guess the public will have to go through another circus of tips and Cindy and George will be reporting all the tips that have been called in that proved Casey didn't do it.

[Pebbles]

I must have missed the little nugget about Baez setting up a a tip line to catch the real murderer? Is that for real? Nevermind, I guess it is. Sheeesh!




Good morning everyone!


I guess JB figures people will call in tips, then he can present reasonable doubt to the jury when he shows the tips that he received. Of course, how will we know if these tips are for real, like the tips for a "live" Caylee. :cursing:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Good morning everyone!


I guess JB figures people will call in tips, then he can present reasonable doubt to the jury when he shows the tips that he received. Of course, how will we know if these tips are for real, like the tips for a "live" Caylee. :cursing:

This just makes me so sad - it STILL is not about Caylee. To me, it is a disgrace to make a spectacle like this. I know nothing can bring Caylee back, but couldn't Casey do the right thing for once in her life and stop this craziness. She had the stomach to kill Caylee - why not have the stomach to take her punishment? IMO

[Pebbles]

This just makes me so sad - it STILL is not about Caylee. To me, it is a disgrace to make a spectacle like this. I know nothing can bring Caylee back, but couldn't Casey do the right thing for once in her life and stop this craziness. She had the guts to kill Caylee - why not have the guts to take her punishment? IMO



ITA. This is what has made me so angry for the last few months, once the lies and mistruths began, it stopped being about Caylee.


It is so sad.:rose: Caylee will always be the only victim.

[n/t]

I agree with you, 'horror' is a bit strong. In my experience most children don't really understand about death yet, especially a death that isn't personal to them. it only becomes a 'horror' if their adults make such an issue of it that they begin to worry and imagine. I think if dealt with casually and with an explanation geared to the proper age level, there shouldn't be any 'horror' to worry about. Besides, it's the holiday season, kids are much more concerned now with the excitement and anticipation, the school will be closed very soon, if not already, and by the time they go back in January the immediacy of it will be gone. Some groups just overreact.


I respectfully disagree with you. The kids may not know what happened and how Caylee died but may know there was a dead body in that wooded area. That alone can cause them to have nightmares and be traumatized for a long time. Let's not forget that the media has been there 24/7 and probably the first thing they see when the moms and dads turn on the tv to watch the news is about this case. Yes, the parents can turn off the tv or switch channels but let's face it, they are exposed to it one way or another. School, playground, mall, etc.

When they first reported the remains found, they showed a school bus going right by the scene and I cringed thinking what those poor kids must be thinking. Kids have very vivid imaginations and while I agree that there are some more able to handle something like this, there may be others that may be frightened by it.

I wish they could take a different route. At least until everything is back to some normalcy. These kids don't need to be reminded every single day as they go by that a little girl's dead body was found there.

IMO

[PuffDragon]

This just makes me so sad - it STILL is not about Caylee. To me, it is a disgrace to make a spectacle like this. I know nothing can bring Caylee back, but couldn't Casey do the right thing for once in her life and stop this craziness. She had the stomach to kill Caylee - why not have the stomach to take her punishment? IMO

MO - Casey has no idea what "the right thing" is. It's not a matter of choice, she just doesn't. She would only do it if there was something in it for her. Not something amorphous like a better deal from the prosecutor. Something more personal.... a laptop in her cell perhaps, with internet privileges.

[Katt2]

Good morning everyone!


I guess JB figures people will call in tips, then he can present reasonable doubt to the jury when he shows the tips that he received. Of course, how will we know if these tips are for real, like the tips for a "live" Caylee. :cursing:

You can just bet that people will call in tips and they will be crazies or people just looking for their 5 minutes! Some folks like to insert themselves into newsworthy situations whether there is any credibility or not.

[PuffDragon]

I respectfully disagree with you. The kids may not know what happened and how Caylee died but may know there was a dead body in that wooded area. That alone can cause them to have nightmares and be traumatized for a long time. Let's not forget that the media has been there 24/7 and probably the first thing they see when the moms and dads turn on the tv to watch the news is about this case. Yes, the parents can turn off the tv or switch channels but let's face it, they are exposed to it one way or another. School, playground, mall, etc.


When they first reported the remains found, they showed a school bus going right by the scene and I cringed thinking what those poor kids must be thinking. Kids have very vivid imaginations and while I agree that there are some more able to handle something like this, there may be others that may be frightened by it.

I wish they could take a different route. At least until everything is back to some normalcy. These kids don't need to be reminded every single day as they go by that a little girl's dead body was found there.

IMO


Exposure doesn't necessarily mean 'horror'. Nightmares and trauma will happen if people talk about it to the children in a nightmarish and horrific way. Children take their cues from adults. There are ways to explain, remembering about age-appropriateness, without causing fright. No child I ever cared for was afraid of thunder because I loved it, we got out the pans and sang and thundered along with it. It's all in the approach.

IMO, changing the approach route would just remind everybody even more about what was found at that spot. It's going to be a couple of weeks before school reopens, the children on the bus will be much more involved in talking about what they got for Christmas or Hanukkah than they will be looking out the window at the site.

[desmom]

I must have missed the little nugget about Baez setting up a a tip line to catch the real murderer? Is that for real? Nevermind, I guess it is. Sheeesh!


Good Morning!

Does this mean they are abandoning Caylee was kidnapped in JB Park, left at Sawgrass apts and whatever stories we have heard for the last 6 months?

[n/t]

I've never heard of a defense attorney setting up a tipline for the murderer to call in before. Has anyone? I guess there's a first for everything. Or maybe it's just Baez and this "dream team".:rolleyes:

To me, it sounds like they're desperate.

[courtsinsession]

You can just bet that people will call in tips and they will be crazies or people just looking for their 5 minutes! Some folks like to insert themselves into newsworthy situations whether there is any credibility or not.

you are so right-- this is going to cause major problems for the prosecution you can be sure

[happygert]

I've never heard of a defense attorney setting up a tipline for the murderer to call in before. Has anyone? I guess there's a first for everything. Or maybe it's just Baez and this "dream team".:rolleyes:

To me, it sounds like they're desperate.

nope never heard of it. Maybe dreaming the nanny will call.:rolleyes:
did you ever find the glasses n/t?

[RainyNiteNTx]

MO - Casey has no idea what "the right thing" is. It's not a matter of choice, she just doesn't. She would only do it if there was something in it for her. Not something amorphous like a better deal from the prosecutor. Something more personal.... a laptop in her cell perhaps, with internet privileges.

I think you're right - she doesn't have an idea of what is right. Anybody that would pris around in short shorts and stolen sunglasses every time she left the house while her daughter was "missing" doesn't have a clue of what is right or wrong. I guess I need to quit trying to figure out how she sleeps at night or how she can smile at people in the courtroom when little Caylee was laying in the elements. I'll never understand her mindset - thank goodness.

[ellegna]

Good morning everyone!


I guess JB figures people will call in tips, then he can present reasonable doubt to the jury when he shows the tips that he received. Of course, how will we know if these tips are for real, like the tips for a "live" Caylee. :cursing:

Just when I thought nothing about this family would shock me anymore (except Casey confessing) TA DA! JB is setting up a tip line and the A's attorney announces a trust fund will be established to pay for Caylee's funeral.
I really tried to feel compassion for the A's. My heart ached for them then BOOM, they want money for Caylee's funeral? :ohmy:
I had no argument and understood why the A's wanted a private funeral but if they want public donations to cover the cost then IMO, the funeral should include the public

[cassidy]

Exposure doesn't necessarily mean 'horror'. Nightmares and trauma will happen if people talk about it to the children in a nightmarish and horrific way. Children take their cues from adults. There are ways to explain, remembering about age-appropriateness, without causing fright. No child I ever cared for was afraid of thunder because I loved it, we got out the pans and sang and thundered along with it. It's all in the approach.

IMO, changing the approach route would just remind everybody even more about what was found at that spot. It's going to be a couple of weeks before school reopens, the children on the bus will be much more involved in talking about what they got for Christmas or Hanukkah than they will be looking out the window at the site.


And again I agree with you. I think we have a tendency these days to over-explain things to kids. They see adults being way too concerned about their welfare and figure they should be too and that's when the nightmares come in. We go into too much detail.

JMO

[cassidy]

Good morning everyone..morning cassidy.

I'm glad I read ahead because I was just about to post the very same thing. Sheesh is right! Maybe he's hoping someone will come forward and say, "I did it and CA is innocent." What an igamaroo he is. :thumbdown:
I have a tip for him. He doesn't need a tip line, because he doesn't have to go any further than Casey's jail cell for his tips IMO! :rolleyes:


Who knows? Maybe he's expecting Casey to call and confess over the phone?

[n/t]

you are so right-- this is going to cause major problems for the prosecution you can be sure

I don't know. I think this will be a stupid move on the part of the defense. Jurors may ask themselves why someone would call a tipline set up by a defense team and not police if they had information about Caylee's murder? How will they present it in court if these "tipsters" want to remain anonymous or will they parade them in front of the jurors? Will these tips be handed over to law enforcement or will the dream team do their own investigation? :unsure:

[n/t]

nope never heard of it. Maybe dreaming the nanny will call.:rolleyes:
did you ever find the glasses n/t?

No, I replied to your PM. I zoomed in as much as I could but still couldn't find the glasses in that photo. Maybe I was too tired last night. I'll try again today.

[happygert]

Bet these tips from meter reader was on the dvd's that Baez didn't pick up because of the $980? Or did he pick up some previously? IF he did he could have very well called this tipster himself. Especially if same guy was on there 3 x's. That would be the one to call back. If not thats not going to look good when he starts screaming about this tipster. Pros can say we had them ready for you and you still haven't picked them up.

[desmom]

Greta on the Record Transcript 12/22/08

Casey Anthony's Ex-Fiance: 'She's Not the Casey I Knew'
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,471424,00.html

[happygert]

No, I replied to your PM. I zoomed in as much as I could but still couldn't find the glasses in that photo. Maybe I was too tired last night. I'll try again today.

ok.
haven't checked my pm's wish i could circle it for you but i don't know how to do it.

[n/t]

Exposure doesn't necessarily mean 'horror'. Nightmares and trauma will happen if people talk about it to the children in a nightmarish and horrific way. Children take their cues from adults. There are ways to explain, remembering about age-appropriateness, without causing fright. No child I ever cared for was afraid of thunder because I loved it, we got out the pans and sang and thundered along with it. It's all in the approach.

IMO, changing the approach route would just remind everybody even more about what was found at that spot. It's going to be a couple of weeks before school reopens, the children on the bus will be much more involved in talking about what they got for Christmas or Hanukkah than they will be looking out the window at the site.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think every child is different. While some may not be effected by it, others may be. It's like when adults tell ghost stories. Some kids love it but others are terrified regadless of how the story is told. I have 2 sons. One was fearless growing up, the other was a little more reserved. They were both raised the same. It all depends on the child, imo. Not every child is the same.

[n/t]

Does anyone have the tip line number? I'll call and give Baez a tip. The "real" murderer has been CAUGHT!

I don't know if it was released this morning but as of last night they were "still working on it".

[lady]

When I was a child I don't remember ever knowing about a child who had been murdered by their parents or even abused for that matter.
I guess I was really sheltered.
It would turn my stomach to see Casey at Caylee's funeral.

[n/t]

ok.
haven't checked my pm's wish i could circle it for you but i don't know how to do it.

Do you have the link handy? It'll save me from going through last night's thread to look for it. I know it was photo #7. TIA!

[happygert]

Well, I thought I'd heard it all but that one takes the entire cake!
I guess it never occured to them to pull money from equity, or even take out a small loan from their bank to pay for their grandchilds burials". I'm sure their bank would be MORE than happy to loan them enough money to pay for Caylee's funeral. That entire family reeks of greed IMO! Just one more reason I have very little sympathy for the A's. :rolleyes:

I don't know why they dont use some of the money they got from selling videos , pictures and from the interview "licensing fees". :flamemad:

And lets not forget about the money from donations from them the public for AS's to search for Caylee.

[desmom]

Do you have the link handy? It'll save me from going through last night's thread to look for it. I know it was photo #7. TIA!

Is this it? http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-anthony-crime-scene-photos-121808,0,4270354.photogallery

[happygert]

Do you have the link handy? It'll save me from going through last night's thread to look for it. I know it was photo #7. TIA!

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-anthony-crime-scene-photos-121808,0,4270354.photogallery


This one is the picture n/t

[n/t]

Is this it? http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-anthony-crime-scene-photos-121808,0,4270354.photogallery
Yes, thank you!

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning!

Did everyone catch this little exchange last night on Nancy Grace:


GRACE: Why did you two break up?

GRUND: The first time, it was because she thought that -- you know, she broke off the engagement because she thought I loved Caylee more than I loved her, which was the furthest thing from the truth. I loved them both.

GRACE: You know what? That`s the first time I`ve ever heard that. She thought you loved Caylee more than her?

GRUND: Absolutely. Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: And you know, she has similar problems with her mother, concerned that the child looked to her grandmother as her mother. So this is a recurring problem with her?

GRUND: Well, that may be a little founded since Cindy did call herself Mommy to Caylee in front of Casey before.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/22/ng.01.html

I thought this was very interesting, sounds like the momster was very jealous of that wonderful little child, Caylee. Goes to motive, imo. :angry:

[PuffDragon]

And again I agree with you. I think we have a tendency these days to over-explain things to kids. They see adults being way too concerned about their welfare and figure they should be too and that's when the nightmares come in. We go into too much detail.

JMO

Yes. (I almost said 'absolutely' but I can't seem to use that word any more). There is a danger of projecting one's own emotions and perceptions onto children, who don't have enough of life experiences to understand them.

[PuffDragon]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think every child is different. While some may not be effected by it, others may be. It's like when adults tell ghost stories. Some kids love it but others are terrified regadless of how the story is told. I have 2 sons. One was fearless growing up, the other was a little more reserved. They were both raised the same. It all depends on the child, imo. Not every child is the same.

I'm okay with disagreeing. It makes me think. :smile:

[happygert]

I've never heard of a defense attorney setting up a tipline for the murderer to call in before. Has anyone? I guess there's a first for everything. Or maybe it's just Baez and this "dream team".:rolleyes:

To me, it sounds like they're desperate.

Wondering how long this tip line will last?

[Calla]

Edited to remove my thots.

I apologize.

[happygert]

Good morning!

Did everyone catch this little exchange last night on Nancy Grace:


GRACE: Why did you two break up?

GRUND: The first time, it was because she thought that -- you know, she broke off the engagement because she thought I loved Caylee more than I loved her, which was the furthest thing from the truth. I loved them both.

GRACE: You know what? That`s the first time I`ve ever heard that. She thought you loved Caylee more than her?

GRUND: Absolutely. Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: And you know, she has similar problems with her mother, concerned that the child looked to her grandmother as her mother. So this is a recurring problem with her?

GRUND: Well, that may be a little founded since Cindy did call herself Mommy to Caylee in front of Casey before.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/22/ng.01.html

I thought this was very interesting, sounds like the momster was very jealous of that wonderful little child, Caylee. Goes to motive, imo. :angry:

Yes and Dan Horowitz saying the defense better stay far away from you.

[n/t]

Wondering how long this tip line will last?

Is there a reward?

[happygert]

Is there a reward?

I dont know. But i'm guessing no. If they couln't pay $980 for tips dvd's, I can't see them offering any rewards,

[Regina.Lampert]

Yes and Dan Horowitz saying the defense better stay far away from you.

Yep, and this desperate defense team better not point the finger of guilt at Jesse or any of the other totally innocent people connected with this nightmare. :cuss:

During the scott peterson case, his family set up an alternate tipline and unfortunately when the Detectives on the case called in a tip, implicating scott, somehow it got lost and was never turned over to the investigators. Gee, wonder if that will happen here........:lol:

The entire idea is ridiculous, imo. I hope it's a toll free number, because I plan to be busy calling it and directing them to the OC jail.

[Katt2]

Yep, and this desperate defense team better not point the finger of guilt at Jesse or any of the other totally innocent people connected with this nightmare. :cuss:

During the scott peterson case, his family set up an alternate tipline and unfortunately when the Detectives on the case called in a tip, implicating scott, somehow it got lost and was never turned over to the investigators. Gee, wonder if that will happen here........:lol:

The entire idea is ridiculous, imo. I hope it's a toll free number, because I plan to be busy calling it and directing them to the OC jail.

I found it very enlightening to hear Horowitz tell Jesse that the defense better stay away from him. You can bet the prosecution won't.
I cannot imagine a mother being so jealous of her 3 year old child that she would resort to taking her little life but it is becoming painfully clear that Casey was very jealous of Caylee.

[Regina.Lampert]

I didn't watch NG last night but I did see him on the Today Show. I think it was a via-satellite interview. I didn't hear him say anything about how Casey thought he loved Caylee more than her, but it wasn't hard to guess she resented the attention he was giving Caylee.

He kept trying not to cry when he was talking about Caylee too.
Since Casey showed early signs of jealousy regarding Caylee and her Mother, it's no surprise to me she was jealous of anyone who gave Caylee more attention than she got herself.

Adding:::I don't think Cindy should have 'ever' been calling herself Mommy to Caylee. Totally ridiculous IMO!

I think Jesse's statement will find it's way into this trial eventually.

I agree about cindy calling herself "mommy" in front of the momster, it seems these two were in the habit of using Caylee to hurt one another. Well, the momster sure won that evil competition, imo, at Caylee's expense. :cuss:

[happygert]

I found it very enlightening to hear Horowitz tell Jesse that the defense better stay away from him. You can bet the prosecution won't.
I cannot imagine a mother being so jealous of her 3 year old child that she would resort to taking her little life but it is becoming painfully clear that Casey was very jealous of Caylee.

ITA...Katt2

[desmom]

From what I've seen of him in interviews he seems like a really decent guy. He's also a very emotional guy so I'm sure that wasn't appealing to Casey in the least. Plus, it sounds like he became very attached to Caylee eary on. I'd almost bet money that Casey started to resent the attention he was giving Caylee too. He didn't even care that Caylee wasn't his biological child. He wanted to marry Casey anyway and start a family.

It's not his fault he was duped, and it's not his fault Casey decided she'd rather party than be married, or be a responsable parent for that matter. He's just one in a string of people Casey fooled for a while imo.

I agree KyWoman.

During one of Cindy's interviews with LE, she said Jesse was not to be trusted. I think she is afraid Jesse will tell the truth about the things he has witnessed.

jmo

[n/t]

Yep, and this desperate defense team better not point the finger of guilt at Jesse or any of the other totally innocent people connected with this nightmare. :cuss:

During the scott peterson case, his family set up an alternate tipline and unfortunately when the Detectives on the case called in a tip, implicating scott, somehow it got lost and was never turned over to the investigators. Gee, wonder if that will happen here........:lol:

The entire idea is ridiculous, imo. I hope it's a toll free number, because I plan to be busy calling it and directing them to the OC jail.

LOL. I didn't know about the Petersons setting up an alternate tip line. The detective called in? Too funny. I'm guessing the same will happen in this case but not the detectives. Hundreds maybe even thousands calling in directing them to the OC jail. It's totally ridiculous.

[n/t]

I agree KyWoman.

During one of Cindy's interviews with LE, she said Jesse was not to be trusted. I think she is afraid Jesse will tell the truth about the things he has witnessed.

jmo


Casey said the same thing in one of the jailhouse calls. It was played on NG last night so it should be in the transcripts. I think Casey is the one who's afraid of what Jesse will spill. imo

[Katt2]

I agree KyWoman.

During one of Cindy's interviews with LE, she said Jesse was not to be trusted. I think she is afraid Jesse will tell the truth about the things he has witnessed.

jmo

I am not sticking up for Cindy but I do believe this mistrust of Jesse came directly from Casey and one of their jail visits. She intimated to her parents that Jesse was not to be trusted and she wanted her parents to stay away from him. I think Casey was afraid of what Jesse would tell her parents. And of course, that was all Cindy needed to hear to run with it as she seemed to believe everything that came out of Casey's mouth.

[witchywoman]

Hello every1..

ot//ive been out of the loop for a lil while now..im recovering from the flu, and it takes me a lil longer to recover since i have copd....argggg..

anyways, i watched nancy grace last nite, and saw Jesse G on the show..

bless his lil heart, he was crying, and it really hurt my soul...I think Jesse really loved and cherished caylee so much, mo

I also understand another search was done at the house of anthony?

im going to the links thread, gonna play catch up..

just thanking every one for the links, the info, etc..

eta, every time i see the clip of caylee singing the sunshine song i cry.......

[Jeepers]

Cindy and Casey are alike, They said they were the same. I can see more clearly how jealous Casey was of anyone or anything that came before her. Casey had to be the center of attention. Casey had to have total attention from her parents as well as being the focal point of her friends. Always standing out!. No Clothes Party, She draped herself in the American Flag. If you notice she was the brightest colored one of the group of pictures. She stood out with her friends (called mom by them) She always had to stand out.
Casey was sick with jealousy. Jealous of Jesse & Caylee, Jealous of Cindy & George & Caylee.
No accident, intentional murder in my opinion. Her fight with mom just put her over the edge. She had enough of of being told how bad she was and in her sick twisted mind it was Caylee's fault.
She enjoyed being hounded by the media. She was in her element, she was now the main attraction like she always wanted. Casey is evil and twisted.
George & Cindy fed the ego of this monster gave into her tantrums. They never saw murder coming but I know they did'nt see any good coming from Casey. jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

I found it very enlightening to hear Horowitz tell Jesse that the defense better stay away from him. You can bet the prosecution won't.
I cannot imagine a mother being so jealous of her 3 year old child that she would resort to taking her little life but it is becoming painfully clear that Casey was very jealous of Caylee.

It's just plain evil Katt, evil!! I am so angry that cindy and george have to beg the public for funds to bury Caylee, all the while the female who murdered her enjoys a high profile defense. That just frosts my cake bigtime!! :angry:

[desmom]

Casey said the same thing in one of the jailhouse calls. It was played on NG last night so it should be in the transcripts. I think Casey is the one who's afraid of what Jesse will spill. imo

Thanks for the reminder. From NG's transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/22/ng.01.html

Cindy: How about Jesse? He's been real close. Is there anything you want me to tell Jesse?

Casey: I would like Jesse to stay as far away from you guys as possible. I'm saying that wholeheartedly and as calmly as possible.

Cindy: OK.

Casey: I don't know how much I trust him right now, and I even told Lee that. Lee is going to investigate a few people for me. I -- in my gut, I don't know if I can trust him.

Cindy: Has Jesse ever watched Caylee in the last month or so while he was off work?

Casey: No.

Cindy: OK.

Casey: The last time he watched Caylee was at his parents' house, when she was a baby. So that was -- 2006.

Cindy: OK. You know, his dad has been trying to reach out to your dad. His mom sent Lee an e-mail and said to tell us that they -- as much as the differences that they had with you, that they still know that you're a good mom and that, you know, they want Caylee back, as well. So I want you to know that.

Casey: I appreciate that. I mean, coming from his family, that means a lot. As far as Jesse as an individual, is very questionable for me.

Casey wanted Jesse to stay as far away from you guys as possible. Hmmm, makes me think Jesse knows a lot more than what has been made public. IMO, Casey definitely did not want her parents to learn some of the things Jesse knows.

jmo

[no1what]

JB is crazy if you ask me. Hey killer, if you got the time and call in and tell me how you killed caylee. Does he think we are that stupid? He is very far from a professional attorney. Amateurish at best. The anthonys and him deserve each other.

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IMO so far Jesse Grund has the most sensible Attorney in this case.

[Jeepers]

LOL. I didn't know about the Petersons setting up an alternate tip line. The detective called in? Too funny. I'm guessing the same will happen in this case but not the detectives. Hundreds maybe even thousands calling in directing them to the OC jail. It's totally ridiculous.


That is funny! that would be my first tip. Look behind the bars, the one chompin on the porkskins that's your murderer!:scared:

[k_can004]

It's just plain evil Katt, evil!! I am so angry that cindy and george have to beg the public for funds to bury Caylee, all the while the female who murdered her enjoys a high profile defense. That just frosts my cake bigtime!! :angry:



WHAT???!!!???.. ARE THEY REALLY ASKING FOR DONATIONS TO BURY CAYLEE.......nO WAY .... NOT AFTER lEE HAD THE AUDACITY TO TAKE DOWN THAT MEMORIAL.... unfreakin believeable!!!!!

jmho

[n/t]

<snipped for space>

Casey wanted Jesse to stay as far away from you guys as possible. Hmmm, makes me think Jesse knows a lot more than what has been made public. IMO, Casey definitely did not want her parents to learn some of the things Jesse knows.

jmo


I totally agree. I think alot of it will come out at trial. Jesse saying that Casey became jealous of Caylee and that's why she broke off their relationship the first time is just the tip of the iceberg. I believe there's a reason why Jesse thought that. Was it something Casey said? Was it something Casey did?

[no1what]

Just when I thought nothing about this family would shock me anymore (except Casey confessing) TA DA! JB is setting up a tip line and the A's attorney announces a trust fund will be established to pay for Caylee's funeral.
I really tried to feel compassion for the A's. My heart ached for them then BOOM, they want money for Caylee's funeral? :ohmy:
I had no argument and understood why the A's wanted a private funeral but if they want public donations to cover the cost then IMO, the funeral should include the public


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It's kind of odd they need money for this funeral. IMO they will not need any type of special vault of sorts because the body has already deteriated while laying in the woods where someone discarded it. As morbid as it is to say this there is nothing of the body left to preserve. Poor Caylee.

Do you think that the left over proceeds from the funeral fund will go into the defense fund for Casey?

[starling]

Florida authorities: Casey Anthony will not attend daughter’s funeral (http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/2008_12_23_Florida_authorities:_Casey_Anthony_will _not_attend_daughter_s_funeral/srvc=home&position=also)

Over 900 Children Must Cope with the Horror of Caylee Anthony (http://www.prweb.com/releases/caylee/anthony/prweb1783424.htm)

She could of paid the ultimate last respect by not letting animals & the weather destroy/carry off what was left of Caylee's little earthly body. Whether she planned,snapped or it was an accident,..leaving that child out there for all those months with many a chance to tell someone where the child was confirms Ms Casey's respect level for Caylee. A thousand times NO she should not be allowed to the funeral IMO.


JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

When I was a child I don't remember ever knowing about a child who had been murdered by their parents or even abused for that matter.
I guess I was really sheltered.
It would turn my stomach to see Casey at Caylee's funeral.

I'm sure the Anthony spin machine will tell us the reason Casey isn't attending is for her own safety and in an effort to keep the focus on
Caylee. :mad: JMO

[Katt2]

It's just plain evil Katt, evil!! I am so angry that cindy and george have to beg the public for funds to bury Caylee, all the while the female who murdered her enjoys a high profile defense. That just frosts my cake bigtime!! :angry:

Well I am going to reserve judgment on the donation thingie for now until more comes out about it but it is not something I am liking.

[no1what]

ok.
haven't checked my pm's wish i could circle it for you but i don't know how to do it.

What is the link to the picture?

[CANDYKISSES]

I totally agree. I think alot of it will come out at trial. Jesse saying that Casey became jealous of Caylee and that's why she broke off their relationship the first time is just the tip of the iceberg. I believe there's a reason why Jesse thought that. Was it something Casey said? Was it something Casey did?

Well, she certainly made it clear that Cindy and George shouldn't bother with Jesse, telling them to steer clear of that one.....:unsure:

I'll bet he has some doozies he could let out of the bag about Casey. :rolleyes:

[barskin&co.]

Did I miss something? Baez has a tip line? They're going to get every Wanda Wery and Joy Wray in the western world calling in. There will probably even be some loons who claim to know Zenaida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah. Don't worry about them, though. They wouldn't last 5 seconds on cross examination in a court of law.

[n/t]

I'm sure the Anthony spin machine will tell us the reason Casey isn't attending is for her own safety and in an effort to keep the focus on
Caylee. :mad: JMO

I don't know how the Anthonys will spin it but it is the reason the jail won't let her attend from what I understand. It would be too risky and take up alot of security. The judge, however may decide to let her go if the defense makes the request. I highly doubt would be the case though.

[CANDYKISSES]

Cindy and Casey are alike, They said they were the same. I can see more clearly how jealous Casey was of anyone or anything that came before her. Casey had to be the center of attention. Casey had to have total attention from her parents as well as being the focal point of her friends. Always standing out!. No Clothes Party, She draped herself in the American Flag. If you notice she was the brightest colored one of the group of pictures. She stood out with her friends (called mom by them) She always had to stand out.
Casey was sick with jealousy. Jealous of Jesse & Caylee, Jealous of Cindy & George & Caylee.
No accident, intentional murder in my opinion. Her fight with mom just put her over the edge. She had enough of of being told how bad she was and in her sick twisted mind it was Caylee's fault.
She enjoyed being hounded by the media. She was in her element, she was now the main attraction like she always wanted. Casey is evil and twisted.
George & Cindy fed the ego of this monster gave into her tantrums. They never saw murder coming but I know they did'nt see any good coming from Casey. jmo

It does make you wonder how Lee made it out alive, eh?

Remember Cindy spoke about his illness on one of the shows. I'll bet Casey was reeling with jealousy when he had his momma's attention.

She is a real piece of work IMO.:crying:

[Remy]

Does anyone have the tip line number? I'll call and give Baez a tip. The "real" murderer has been CAUGHT!

I'm wondering if that's part of the plan. People are going to call saying she's guilty and he use that as proof that she can't get a fair trial.

He may use it for his motion to change venues as well. moo

[RainyNiteNTx]

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IMO so far Jesse Grund has the most sensible Attorney in this case.

I was very impressed with him. He was soft spoken and articulate. Wish they could all be like that.

[barskin&co.]

I'm wondering if that's part of the plan. People are going to call saying she's guilty and he use that as proof that she can't get a fair trial.

He may use it for his motion to change venues as well. moo

Well, I do think he'll get a change of venue. Baez can't do anything else on the basis of "she can't get a fair trial." She's not the first notorious person to be charged with murder.

[starling]

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It's kind of odd they need money for this funeral. IMO they will not need any type of special vault of sorts because the body has already deteriated while laying in the woods where someone discarded it. As morbid as it is to say this there is nothing of the body left to preserve. Poor Caylee.Do you think that the left over proceeds from the funeral fund will go into the defense fund for Casey?

When I made my Father's arrangements they told me the vault is to protect the loved one from heavy equipment & earth around your loved one. As it is constantly being moved and prepared for others. Plus I think it's required in the U.S. and Canada.That said, they are expensive esp when you start upgrading with inscriptions,etched glass which is a natural thing to want to do....so sad.



RIP Dad and Caylee

[ellegna]

I'm wondering if that's part of the plan. People are going to call saying she's guilty and he use that as proof that she can't get a fair trial.

He may use it for his motion to change venues as well. moo

Interesting thought. JB however hasn't provided a number to call yet.
Bet you dollar to donuts he changes his mind about the tip line.

[CANDYKISSES]

I'm wondering if that's part of the plan. People are going to call saying she's guilty and he use that as proof that she can't get a fair trial.

He may use it for his motion to change venues as well. moo


:w00t:I was wondering the same.

[trich]

I agree with you, 'horror' is a bit strong. In my experience most children don't really understand about death yet, especially a death that isn't personal to them. it only becomes a 'horror' if their adults make such an issue of it that they begin to worry and imagine. I think if dealt with casually and with an explanation geared to the proper age level, there shouldn't be any 'horror' to worry about. Besides, it's the holiday season, kids are much more concerned now with the excitement and anticipation, the school will be closed very soon, if not already, and by the time they go back in January the immediacy of it will be gone. Some groups just overreact.

I agree....children are remarkable and it is only the adults who tend to make issues out situations that should for the most part just be left alone.
Dealt with on an individual level.....I don't know what has gone wrong with society that they think no one should have to deal with problems....that is how we learn to function in life by experiencing it and dealing with life.
You can't protect kids from bullys...they have to learn how to deal with them...you can't make evdery child happy all the time...they have to learn to deal with sadness...you don't dwell on the bad but puncuate the good.

IMO adults underestimate children they understand and deal with life better then we do.


Personallyy IMO this would not have happened had a Casey been made to face her respsonsibility and be accountable for her actions as she was growing up.

[Rick777]

This is what bothers me about lawyers today. JB has to know that Casey is guilty. She has lied and changed her story so many times that he really doesn't have true reasoning for her being innocent. He's out there trying to get his 5 minutes of fame and set up his future work by being the guy that defended Casey.

Guh.

[CuriousJo]

[QUOTE Adding:::I don't think Cindy should have 'ever' been calling herself Mommy to Caylee. Totally ridiculous IMO![/QUOTE]

I agree with you. So, it appears that Casey was insecure and felt that others loved Caylee more than her, ex Jesse, her mother. It was inappropriate for Cindy Anthony to have Caylee call her mother. This is key to what "changed" Casey and lead to Caylees death. There was a power struggle going on at the Anthonys home and Cindy was in control- she could buy Caylee clothes, toys, food and pay for her medical insurance, And she states that iin the note she posted on her web page- that note was a message for Casey, and we all know what Casey posted back. Its sad that this got so out of control and a child died. George Anthony knows the truth about the inner home dynamics and mother(CA) and daughter(Casey) feud.

IMO

[barskin&co.]

This is what bothers me about lawyers today. JB has to know that Casey is guilty. She has lied and changed her story so many times that he really doesn't have true reasoning for her being innocent. He's out there trying to get his 5 minutes of fame and set up his future work by being the guy that defended Casey.

Guh.

Of course he knows PPOFICA is guilty. Defense attornies know that most of the people they represent are guilty. I don't have any problem with that about him. If he tries to point the finger at innocent bystanders, well, that's different.

[GardenGirl]

All defense atty's know their client is guilty, none of that matters to them. It's the job they've chosen and thank goodness there are those who do.
A lot of professions may seem morally not-quite-right to some, but we need them nonetheless.....
I have no problem with it.

[barskin&co.]

All defense atty's know their client is guilty, none of that matters to them. It's the job they've chosen and thank goodness there are those who do.
A lot of professions may seem morally not-quite-right to some, but we need them nonetheless.....
I have no problem with it.

In point of fact, defense lawyers have to defend people they think probably did commit the crimes with which they are charged. It is their duty under the system. If they only defended people they thought were innocent, our constitutional guarantee to representation by an attorney would be meaningless.

[kOOkie1]

Morning everyone!...This announcement about a Tip Line gets me soooo frustrated..I mean they couldnt even allow Caylee a few days before switching it back to Casey:cursing: Just unbelievable.(imo)

[Rick777]

Well that bothers me. So you take a case "knowing" your client is guilty, in hopes of returning a murderer to the streets? Something is wrong with that picture! I can understand if a lawyer honestly thinks thier client COULD be innocent, but......

[WingNIt]

I wasn't on the boards last night and I'm sure this was discussed but when I heard Jesse on NG say that he and Casey broke up because she felt he loved Caylee more than her, my jaw dropped! IMO, that says A LOT.

[no1what]

When I made my Father's arrangements they told me the vault is to protect the loved one from heavy equipment & earth around your loved one. As it is constantly being moved and prepared for others. Plus I think it's required in the U.S. and Canada.That said, they are expensive esp when you start upgrading with inscriptions,etched glass which is a natural thing to want to do....so sad.



RIP Dad and Caylee


Well this sounds horrible but I was also thinking about the cost of the person that prepares the body and the cost of the formaldehyde. None of this needs to be done. Poor Caylee.

[starling]

Well that bothers me. So you take a case "knowing" your client is guilty, in hopes of returning a murderer to the streets? Something is wrong with that picture! I can understand if a lawyer honestly thinks thier client COULD be innocent, but......

Yes and what if KC told JB where Caylee's body was....can JB keep that to himself?
I thought he was required to tell.
Maybe he says 'don't tell me where'..?
Horrific IMO.

[Rick777]

Are you aware of what a Defense Lawyer actually does?


Yeah.....makes sure that the rules of the Justice system is followed so thier client doesn't get screwed. In a round about way....

My point is taking cases where you KNOW the client is guilty and dragging many people thru the mud and costing eveyone money just to "Play the game".

Intergrity...

[bluwaters]

Anthonys will hold public memorial service for Caylee
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-anthony-memorial-122308,0,7555287.story

[WillowInFlight]

I wasn't on the boards last night and I'm sure this was discussed but when I heard Jesse on NG say that he and Casey broke up because she felt he loved Caylee more than her, my jaw dropped! IMO, that says A LOT.

I found that so Casey like, she has said the same thing about Cindy. Any word about the donations for the funeral?

[Rick777]

Yes and what if KC told JB where Caylee's body was....can JB keep that to himself?
I thought he was required to tell.
Maybe he says 'don't tell me where'..?
Horrific IMO.

Exactly. It's just a game with rules that are not followed.

[breezie]

This is the new Trust fund, with Jody Parker (yes, Mallory's mother) as Trustee. This is not the Trust that was closed.


http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2937600/HELP-FIND-CAYLEE-MARIE-ANTHONY-TRUST-AGREEMENT
I would never ever donate directly to this family. If a funeral home or cemetary requested funds, I would. For all we know, they'd go party at the Ritz again. SHAME on them for asking the public to bury their *beloved* granddaughter. Some of those defense funds should be used.

[WillowInFlight]

Anthonys will hold public memorial service for Caylee
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-anthony-memorial-122308,0,7555287.story

I'm actually shocked that they are making it public, but I guess if you're going to ask for donations they really don't have a choice.

[breezie]

So basically you are saying that she should not have representation at all, since everyone knows she guilty? We are in America, we are presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law.

no....just that there should be some integrity involved. Casting aspersions on innocent people when you know your client is guilty? Is that really their *job*? could you sleep at night? never mind. you probably could.

[jill collins]

I'm wondering if that's part of the plan. People are going to call saying she's guilty and he use that as proof that she can't get a fair trial.

He may use it for his motion to change venues as well. moo

Mind boggling logic since the people calling could be calling from ANYWHERE. Even Biaz can't be that stoooooooooooopid. There will be change of venue and I am predicting the Miami area (like downtown Los Angeles <OJ> only different...).

[starling]

The "public will heal" when KC is convicted!




JMO

[msgatorslayer]

I wasn't on the boards last night and I'm sure this was discussed but when I heard Jesse on NG say that he and Casey broke up because she felt he loved Caylee more than her, my jaw dropped! IMO, that says A LOT.

G'morning!!

Same here, I was baking cookies with family but had to sneak some NG in.

Casey has been jealous of Caylee for a long time. It wasn't about HER anymore. The attention was always on sweet lil Caylee and she couldn't stand it.

Makes me wonder what kind of things she did to Caylee when nobody was around.

[breezie]

I'm actually shocked that they are making it public, but I guess if you're going to ask for donations they really don't have a choice.

I'm shocked they are inviting the maggots, parasites and lazy folks that wouldn't get off their azzes and look for a live Caylee, either. Poor Caylee...she didn't deserve this family or this circus. She deserved to be loved and cherished as the Grund family obviously did love her. You can see it in their eyes, and hear it in the words they use to describe her. Not a corn kernel in the whole message. Just about how smart and precious she was and how she lit up a room.

Just more image re-building imho.

[no1what]

So basically you are saying that she should not have representation at all, since everyone knows she guilty? We are in America, we are presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law.

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IMO he is trying to say represent your client without dragging the innocent thru the mud. i.e. Jesse, Zanny etc..... A good attorney will create probable cause but they can not tell an out right lie when creating the distraction.

However I say tell your lies because lies can be proven to be just lies. The more they lie the worse Casey defense is.

Hint: No one stole Casey's car and drove around in it for 2 1/2 days with Caylee's body in the trunk as the evidence will show. IMO there is a lot more evidence the defense will not be able to disprove or explain.

[Regina.Lampert]

Anthonys will hold public memorial service for Caylee
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-anthony-memorial-122308,0,7555287.story

Excellent news. I think a large screen tv should be put directly in front of the momster's cage so she has a great view of the local coverage of this memorial.

I bet there will be a huge turnout.

[Rick777]

So basically you are saying that she should not have representation at all, since everyone knows she guilty? We are in America, we are presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law.


Is that what you are getting out of that?

Let me try again. If a Lawyer thinks his client is guilty, they still need direction, but not this ridiculous circus where you pretend to look for the real killer, set up a tipline, etc. If the Lawyer TRUELY feels his client may be innocent, then let the circus begin.

[WillowInFlight]

I have to say I am shocked about the public one, only because what will security be like?

I hope this is one time that people can really come together, Cindy and George didn't cause this, Casey did. And thank God she won't be there.

[irishkitty24]

I can't seem to find info on this, can someone point me in right direction?

When and why did Lee Anthony get a lawyer?

tia

[Jpanda]

I hope this is one time that people can really come together, Cindy and George didn't cause this, Casey did. And thank God she won't be there.

ITA. This should be at least the one day that everyone should come together peacefully, for CAYLEE. I'm shuddering just thinking about protestors going there and causing trouble.

jmo

[Rick777]

Caylee's remains expected to be released within 24 hours.

Casey will have roast beef and presents for Xmas.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18339375/index.html


Lovely. Will she get to decorate a Christmas tree in her cell and sing Christmas carols with the guards as they drink hot cocoa? geeez...

[no1what]

Caylee's remains expected to be released within 24 hours.

Casey will have roast beef and presents for Xmas.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18339375/index.html

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I have a theory about this duct tape around Caylee’s head.

The email from Amy said the tape that was lost by Casey didn’t work well as her no clothes costume because it kept coming off. It was the type of duct tape that would stick to skin without leaving a residue. I would have to also assume that Amy bought this type of tape because it didn’t peel your skin off when you removed it.

This is my theory regarding how Casey used Amy’s tape: Casey would chloroform Caylee putting her to sleep (but chloroform affects don’t last long); then she would wrap the tape around Caylee’s head to make sure that it didn’t fall off of her mouth (she used this type of tape because not sticky residue and it would easily come off); Casey placed Caylee’s sleeping body in the trunk with a piece of cloth with chloroform on it and with the tape around Caylee’s mouth she would breath the chloroform in thru her nose keeping her asleep and not allowing her to wake up as the chloroform affects wore off.

It was sickening even to consider this theory.

[Regina.Lampert]

Whew, my whole life just passed before my eyes........................... :chicken:

Looks like the thread was closed in error.

Just the thought of this evil babykiller receiving Christmas presents
is appalling, imo.

[n/t]

Caylee's remains expected to be released within 24 hours.

Casey will have roast beef and presents for Xmas.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18339375/index.html


Well isn't that special. She gets to eat roast beef and open presents. :cursing:

[Jpanda]

Lovely. Will she get to decorate a Christmas tree in her cell and sing Christmas carols with the guards as they drink hot cocoa? geeez...

As much as I can't stand the thought of Casey getting presents and eating a nice meal, she IS technically innocent until proven guilty. I just can't wait until she IS proven guilty, then it's bye bye nice meals and every other luxury. Bring on the trial!

jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

I can't seem to find info on this, can someone point me in right direction?

When and why did Lee Anthony get a lawyer?

tia

Hiya Irish, lee retained an attorney the other day and his name is Thomas Luca, a criminal defense attorney.

[no1what]

Caylee's remains expected to be released within 24 hours.

Casey will have roast beef and presents for Xmas.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18339375/index.html----------------------------------------------

I think everyone who attends the funeral should continue to sing "You are my Sunshine."

[bluwaters]

Caylee Anthony burial: George and Cindy Anthony say they are not seeking donations from the public
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/caylee-anthon-7.html

[WillowInFlight]

How many times do you think Casey did that to Caylee? Do you think that was the first time?

[kitty1182]

Excellent news. I think a large screen tv should be put directly in front of the momster's cage so she has a great view of the local coverage of this memorial.

I bet there will be a huge turnout.

I bet so too..Can you imagine all the flowers?

[AJandTam]

Whew, my whole life just passed before my eyes........................... :chicken:

Looks like the thread was closed in error.

Just the thought of this evil babykiller receiving Christmas presents
is appalling, imo.

Morning Reggie..

Maybe they will give her pictures of the life she USED to have, but will have no more..

[Regina.Lampert]

I bet so too..Can you imagine all the flowers?

Yep sisterbee, the people of the world have taken Caylee to their hearts, this Memorial will be a grand tribute to a very short life.

[lady]

Casey has caused so much trama for everybody in her life from getting herself pregnant at 19ys old and making her parents bail her out,stealing from her own parents and friends, murdering her own daughter, living it up after her daughter was dead, lying to everybody about what happened to precious little Caylee, costing millions of dollars and tears by not just fessing up to what she did.
In the end she will be found guilty of murder and didn't get by with anything at the financial and emotional expense of everybody.
I don't hate a lot of ppl.

[Pebbles]

Well isn't that special. She gets to eat roast beef and open presents. :cursing:




Too bad Caylee will not longer be able to open presents on Christmas like her mother!

[Rick777]

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I think everyone who attends the funeral should continue to sing "You are my Sunshine."


Outstanding idea!

[AJandTam]

Oh, ok, well i am trilled he is playing the really dumb as rocks lawyer role and going down this road with this disgusting excuse of a defense, meaning Zenaida, I am so ok with that because she is for sure never going to spend a night out in civilization, and anything less than that would not be justice for Caylee. So him being dumb gives me hope maybe he isn't really that dumb and is just assisting in the hanging of his client because its the most absurd defense strategy ever and i cant believe her legal team is going to try to sell this to a jury with a straight face.


JMO

Mornini MC,

I can agree w/you on that. I can't imagine anyone believing that story.

[Pebbles]

Caylee Anthony burial: George and Cindy Anthony say they are not seeking donations from the public
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/caylee-anthon-7.html



I wonder if they saw the reaction of these message boards regarding seeking donations?

[marshmallow]

Caylee Anthony burial: George and Cindy Anthony say they are not seeking donations from the public
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/caylee-anthon-7.html

all that says to me is that someone ponied up the cash to pay for it all.....

[AJandTam]

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I think everyone who attends the funeral should continue to sing "You are my Sunshine."

:thumbsup: I like that idea.

[no1what]

How many times do you think Casey did that to Caylee? Do you think that was the first time?


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Willow are you referring to my theory below?


I have a theory about this duct tape around Caylee’s head.

The email from Amy said the tape that was lost by Casey didn’t work well as her no clothes costume because it kept coming off. It was the type of duct tape that would stick to skin without leaving a residue. I would have to also assume that Amy bought this type of tape because it didn’t peel your skin off when you removed it.

This is my theory regarding how Casey used Amy’s tape: Casey would chloroform Caylee putting her to sleep (but chloroform affects don’t last long); then she would wrap the tape around Caylee’s head to make sure that it didn’t fall off of her mouth (she used this type of tape because not sticky residue and it would easily come off); Casey placed Caylee’s sleeping body in the trunk with a piece of cloth with chloroform on it and with the tape around Caylee’s mouth she would breath the chloroform in thru her nose keeping her asleep and not allowing her to wake up as the chloroform affects wore off.

It was sickening even to consider this theory.

[n/t]

I'm actually shocked that they are making it public, but I guess if you're going to ask for donations they really don't have a choice.
The link says they're not asking for donations.

I'm glad they came to their senses and will be holding a public memorial for Caylee. I think the turnout out will be huge. :rose:

[Katt2]

I wonder if they saw the reaction of these message boards regarding seeking donations?

I don't think it was ever on the table because it only came from source and reported on by one other source from the original one. More erroneous reporting. Likely the reporter stated what she took away from what was actually said

[Jpanda]

True, but when he looses this case, and I believe he will, it's not going to help his future as some great defender IMO. I suspect it's actually going to have the opposite effect from what he's hoping for. Is JB a public defender? If he is then he might not have had much choice in regards to taking the case. I know the first lawyer dumped the case and went on TV saying, "Yes, I believe Casey is 100% guilty." He was on the Today show a day, or two ago saying it. :blink: I believe he was a paid attorney, so I think there is some sort of loophole where a lawyer can ask a judge to release them from defending someone. I'm not positive but I think they can use a conflict of interest..something of that nature in order to get out of taking a case. I'd have to look it up to be sure though.

I completely agree with you. Baez is hoping this case will help his career and imo it will NOT...There have been so many defense attorneys on NG, Greta, LK, etc that have even said it's a shoddy defense (paraphrasing). Casey is not only going to be found guilty, but I honestly believe she'll be punished to the fullest extent. IMO Baez should have told her to talk and go for a deal a long time ago. Instead, he waited it out and now their defense is going to be nearly impossible, IMO.

I really think Baez botched this case from the get go.

JMO

[WillowInFlight]

Meaning what, I am sure she can only kill someone once! barf


This is just SPECULATION.


What if Caylee had almost drowned before, and Cindy being a nurse had to bring her back, meaning CPR? And thats what Lee meant, was this like last time?

What I meant was, if this was a common practice I wonder why Caylee never said anything. I have never bought the theory that she would drug her and then stick her in the trunk.

[AJandTam]

That is what they should do...fill her cell with pictures of how things were. Of how sweet Caylee looked. How she smiled as a little bitty baby.

They should make sure the CUT Casey out of all the pictures, I dont want her narssisitic (sp?) a$$ seeing herself.

Yep, Cut Casey out of the pic's. A message that she will never be there again ever... I doubt she cares about what she's done to Caylee. She only cares about herself.

[marshmallow]

I don't think it was ever on the table because it only came from source and reported on by one other source from the original one. More erroneous reporting. Likely the reporter stated what she took away from what was actually said



then why start a new trust for it?




I think they put it out there, got a big donation, and then didn't need any more, especially in light of public opinion on their begging....

[WillowInFlight]

no1What, I was referring to your post.

[aubrey04]

all that says to me is that someone ponied up the cash to pay for it all.....

I am sure people did contribute.. maybe even businesses contributed to the public memorial funeral. After all that has happened - I think Caylee deserves a big, beautiful memorial. If there were donations, which I believe there were, .. I believe people donated for Caylee, not the Anthony's.

[A.M.]

Maybe they are making the memorial public in the hopes that the REAL killer will show up. I'm sure the Anthony's lawyers will be present...looking for an suspicious characters. Because, you know....a criminal always returns to the scene of the crime. :sneaky:

[irishkitty24]

Hiya Irish, lee retained an attorney the other day and his name is Thomas Luca, a criminal defense attorney.

Thanks.

Why would he need a criminal attorney? For assisting his sister?

This whole mess just stinks, it is very hard to give any of that family the benefit of the doubt as to their involvement in Caylee's untimely demise.

just no sense to any of this.

[Rick777]

I'm still having concerns about the meter-reader.

I see bags all the time, but I don't call 911....especially three days in a row. He HAD to have looked in the bag and saw something, right?

Now...if thats the case, it would not matter if his route was changed or not...he would not wait four months to be re-assigned to look for the bag again, or contact LE on what became of it.

What am I missing?

[marshmallow]

OK....I just wanted to donate IF they were taking donations.....I find those people to be quite odd.....but if needed I would definitely donate to Caylee.....



you still can. you can donate locally in her name. you can collect school supplies and basic toiletries and give them to a local shelter in her name, you can organize a closet cleaning day in your area in her name and donate gently used coats, suits, mittens, gloves, boots, sweaters, etc.. in her name.

[breezie]

I don't think it was ever on the table because it only came from source and reported on by one other source from the original one. More erroneous reporting. Likely the reporter stated what she took away from what was actually said

I think it was a *float the idea* kind of leak, myself. They've seen the reaction and now say it wasn't true. These are exactly upstanding folks...they've lost credibility with the public, or should I say maggots and parasites.

[Jpanda]

I say he needs to take and pass a lie detector. jmo

I think that's a great idea. If I were him I would be falling all over myself to do it. At least people's doubts and questions would be answered.

jmo

[KKKKKKatie]

I think that's a great idea. If I were him I would be falling all over myself to do it. At least people's doubts and questions would be answered.

jmo

perhaps he already has taken one and that is why LE says he is not under suspicion?

[WillowInFlight]

I think it was a *float the idea* kind of leak, myself. They've seen the reaction and now say it wasn't true. These are exactly upstanding folks...they've lost credibility with the public, or should I say maggots and parasites.

I'm going to hold off passing judgment, I am curious to see how they handle themselves the closer this gets to trial. Right now, this should all be about Caylee.

[Rick777]

I say he needs to take and pass a lie detector. jmo


Thats always such a double-edged sword, ya know? If he passes it, the defense won't believe it, and if he fails it, it's no good in court anyway. It's just so odd that this one guy solved this.

[Katt2]

then why start a new trust for it?




I think they put it out there, got a big donation, and then didn't need any more, especially in light of public opinion on their begging....

That report came from just one reporter and no one else had heard it so what does that tell you? They all heard what the lawyer said and she was the only one that came to that conclusion.

[desmom]

The link says they're not asking for donations.

I'm glad they came to their senses and will be holding a public memorial for Caylee. I think the turnout out will be huge. :rose:

Hal Boedeker Re: the donation for funeral story....

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/caylee-anthon-7.html

[NikkiG77058]

you are so right-- this is going to cause major problems for the prosecution you can be sure

Good morning Cort - I don't agree that this is going to cause problems for the state. I think it's going to take time to go through the phone calls but if there is nothing to physically link them to the crime scene, it seems it would be fairly easy to debunk them...they can also screen the people who call by asking what clothes she was buried in...There are ways to determine people are lying.

IMO

[msgatorslayer]

I'm still having concerns about the meter-reader.

I see bags all the time, but I don't call 911....especially three days in a row. He HAD to have looked in the bag and saw something, right?

Now...if thats the case, it would not matter if his route was changed or not...he would not wait four months to be re-assigned to look for the bag again, or contact LE on what became of it.

What am I missing?

I don't think he seen anything inside. If he had, at the time when Lenny offered up 50k to be led to Caylee's body, he would have called.

[no1what]

no1What, I was referring to your post.

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IMO only once and it went wrong because of the heat and the density of the chloroform.

[WillowInFlight]

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IMO only once and it went wrong because of the heat and the density of the chloroform.

Thanks for the answer.

[Rick777]

"Originally Posted by MalloryCat
Yeah, I dont buy she was drugged then put in the trunk and she died either. I think she died outside the trunk and was just placed there until it became ABSOLUTELY necessary to get rid of her, probably the day George got a little to close for her comfort."

jmo


Then why the need for duct-tape I wonder?

[Jpanda]

I'm still having concerns about the meter-reader.

I see bags all the time, but I don't call 911....especially three days in a row. He HAD to have looked in the bag and saw something, right?

Now...if thats the case, it would not matter if his route was changed or not...he would not wait four months to be re-assigned to look for the bag again, or contact LE on what became of it.

What am I missing?

To be completely honest, I don't find anything strange about this meter man at all. Being as obsessed as I am about this case, if I lived in the Orlando area, I would be keeping my eyes out for anything suspicious also....ESPECIALLY if it were right by the Anthony home.

I live in the next town over from Drew Peterson, and I hate to admit it, but when the case first hit the news, every time I would drive by in that area, I would always have my eye out, thinking that maybe I'd come across that blue barrel.

I don't know, I just don't find anything suspicious about him.

jmo

[AJandTam]

It is very odd, very very very odd. I cant stand Baez, but he is going to run with this like a bull in a china shop. He is going to say the LE were in the area, checked it out, there was no body there, so my client did not put the body there, she was in jail, etc.

It can create reasonable doubt, but only if one can get past the Fusian girl grind dance with the pole and her avoiding her mother like the plaque for a month, one excuse after another, so she has a lot of stuff against her also.

Reasonable doubt just scares me, and its a real possibility that a few people who have been living on Mars for the past 6 months will not have heard of this case, and would be able to imagine how someone like Casey who was always known to be such a sweet Mother could do something like this, well until Grund gets on the stand and says she broke it off with him because he loved her daughter more than her, which is so sick I cant stand it.

Shes screwed, I hope.

jmo

Wasn't it already said that the experts already knew how long Caylee was out there? Only they weren't going to tell us yet?

[Rick777]

I don't think he seen anything inside. If he had, at the time when Lenny offered up 50k to be led to Caylee's body, he would have called.


Then why was he so anxious to call three days in a row, then not care for four months? What made him think THAT bag was different then others?

[Barbara fl.]

I'm still having concerns about the meter-reader.

I see bags all the time, but I don't call 911....especially three days in a row. He HAD to have looked in the bag and saw something, right?

Now...if thats the case, it would not matter if his route was changed or not...he would not wait four months to be re-assigned to look for the bag again, or contact LE on what became of it.

What am I missing?


The bag was not able to be seen from the road....The area that the bag was found in was right near the Anthony home....Also the area that it was found doesn't seem to be a dumping area where people would just drive by a throw a bag...

I think that the meter reader was releaving himself on the 11th of August (not December 11th, as stated) it was then that he noticed the bag but was afraid to go over to it and called the police....the police didn't respond until the 13th of August and met the meter reader by the location....the Deputy told the meter reader to stay by the road and he went up in the weeds but was faced with a snake....the Deputy not believeing that anything coulod possibly be in the weeds of interest didn't go any further and went back to the meter reader and told him that it was garbage...

The meter reader probably didn't pay it any more attention until he was back at that route and then decided to go back in the weeds and check it out for himself. It was at this point that the body was found....

The reports claimed that he was releaving himself when he discovered the bag but they never specified which date he was releaving himself when he noticed it....

It is the only way this finding would make any sense...

Unless of course this man uses the same area for a bathroom all the time....

All just my opinion....

[desmom]

I think that's a great idea. If I were him I would be falling all over myself to do it. At least people's doubts and questions would be answered.

jmo

IIRC, LE has interviewed him several times and said he is not a suspect in Caylee's death.

jmo

[WillowInFlight]

Wasn't it already said that the experts already knew how long Caylee was out there? Only they weren't going to tell us yet?

I keep going back to what Tim said, no new growth under the bag, and the grass was dead.

[Barbara fl.]

Wasn't it already said that the experts already knew how long Caylee was out there? Only they weren't going to tell us yet?


Yes...It was also stated that the bag was probably there from the time that Caylee went missing.....That is why the meter reader is not a suspect......

[breezie]

Yes, I hope he does if he has nothing to hide. Now if he refuses will Baez say, and the man who found the body refused a polygraph, can that info be brought into court?

I really believe he has nothing to do with what happened to Caylee.

I don't think so, but if his can, so can Casey and George and Cindy and Lee's refusal to take a lie detector, too. That is much more interesting to me than the meter reader. Why won't the FAMILY take one? Too many lies...machine would blow.

[Regina.Lampert]

I say he needs to take and pass a lie detector. jmo

LOL......yeah, right after cindy, george, lee and casey take one. imo.

[WillowInFlight]

Then why was he so anxious to call three days in a row, then not care for four months? What made him think THAT bag was different then others?

Thats exactly what I asked last week and was told he had a different route.

[AJandTam]

I keep going back to what Tim said, no new growth under the bag, and the grass was dead.

Yes, I remember Tim saying that.

[lady]

Casey should be the first in line to take a lie detector test.

[Rick777]

"The meter reader probably didn't pay it any more attention until he was back at that route and then decided to go back in the weeds and check it out for himself. It was at this point that the body was found...."

Thats where I get lost. He called THREE straight days, then let it go for four months?

[CANDYKISSES]

IIRC, LE has interviewed him several times and said he is not a suspect in Caylee's death.

jmo

desmom, while I know it sounds ludicrous, I can't get past it either.

It has nothing to do with seeing him as a SUSPECT, rather that someone might have TIPPED him off to check there AGAIN while G & C were on the road. :crying: I want to smack myself too. Especially when I hear that Lee has finally retained a LAWYER.

[desmom]

Then why was he so anxious to call three days in a row, then not care for four months? What made him think THAT bag was different then others?

Wasn't it reported the bag in August was a gray bag and the bag with Caylee's body found earlier this month was a black bag?

[AJandTam]

Yes...It was also stated that the bag was probably there from the time that Caylee went missing.....That is why the meter reader is not a suspect......

Barb. I really don't see a good defense. Someone way smarter than I would have to see a way out of this mess. She cooked her own goose pretty good. It probably won't happen, but I sure wish she would just plead guilty, take her punishment and be done w/it.. I hate to see anyone have to testify on stand to what they found.

[marshmallow]

why is it so easy to be suspicious of the meter reader and not of the Anthonys?

[breezie]

"The meter reader probably didn't pay it any more attention until he was back at that route and then decided to go back in the weeds and check it out for himself. It was at this point that the body was found...."

Thats where I get lost. He called THREE straight days, then let it go for four months?

didn't the police come the third day and *clear it*. What else was he supposed to do. It was probably still bothering him when he got that route back. Look how some of us have focused on that bush. It probably just got his hinky meter going. I don't find it troubling at all. If I were in the area, I'd probably look around any area I found myself in. Everyone was looking for Caylee.

[Rick777]

Thats exactly what I asked last week and was told he had a different route.


See....to me that doesn't matter. If he was so convinced that he called three straight days, changing his route would not take his passion away from what he thinks was in that bag.

[Pebbles]

why is it so easy to be suspicious of the meter reader and not of the anthonys?



ita..........

[CANDYKISSES]

LOL......yeah, right after cindy, george, lee and casey take one. imo.

:sneaky:Now now, you know Cindy is medicated so George and Cindy are out for the poly.

But after seeing George on LKL, I have to wonder if he's now medicated too or if he knew what was coming????

Just little :w00t:whacky ideas I can't let go of on Lee and George. I don't really want to believe they would have left things like that unless it was to prove ineptitude of LE. When I refer to that I mean that if they figured out where Caylee was, not that they put her remains in the woods. JMO. :blushing:

[Rick777]

why is it so easy to be suspicious of the meter reader and not of the Anthonys?


I think most of us think they were directly involved already. Well...either that, or they are the most oblivious humans ever.

[WillowInFlight]

Barb. I really don't see a good defense. Someone way smarter than I would have to see a way out of this mess. She cooked her own goose pretty good. It probably won't happen, but I sure wish she would just plead guilty, take her punishment and be done w/it.. I hate to see anyone have to testify on stand to what they found.

I really don't see how the defense stands a prayer. I wish I knew what their plan was, they certainly can't be going with the "nanny" story. Wouldn't they have to at least call someone that could prove she in fact did exsist?

[jakee]

See....to me that doesn't matter. If he was so convinced that he called three straight days, changing his route would not take his passion away from what he thinks was in that bag.

Didn't that area also flood right after those 3 calls?

[Regina.Lampert]

See....to me that doesn't matter. If he was so convinced that he called three straight days, changing his route would not take his passion away from what he thinks was in that bag.

On August 19th Tropical Storm Fay hit Orange County and then that area was flooded. That may have prevented him from going back sooner. A Gayle St. John video was posted a few days ago that showed us the exact area and how dense it truly was.

[Barbara fl.]

Barb. I really don't see a good defense. Someone way smarter than I would have to see a way out of this mess. She cooked her own goose pretty good. It probably won't happen, but I sure wish she would just plead guilty, take her punishment and be done w/it.. I hate to see anyone have to testify on stand to what they found.


I believe either way there has to be a trial seeing as this is a murder one charge....but if she was to plead guilty the trial would be for the punishment, at which point everything would still come out....

But, i don't believe she will ever confess...she will take it to her grave with her....at this point even if she knows that the whole world knows she is guilty, she still feels that her family will still believe her and be there for her.....I think the only way she would "MAYBE" confess would be if Cindy was to have some alone time with her and convince her that the family will still be there for her even if she told the truth.....But even then I have my doubts....

[Rick777]

didn't the police come the third day and *clear it*. What else was he supposed to do. It was probably still bothering him when he got that route back. Look how some of us have focused on that bush. It probably just got his hinky meter going. I don't find it troubling at all. If I were in the area, I'd probably look around any area I found myself in. Everyone was looking for Caylee.

There are alot of bags around all the time, but...
Thats the most logical explanation I have heard yet. Good job!

[CANDYKISSES]

why is it so easy to be suspicious of the meter reader and not of the Anthonys?

Hey, I find it easier to believe that maybe someone in the family was tipping him off, but know it sounds ludicrous. I just can't hold on to KARMA to that degree. JMO tho.

[trich]

Barb. I really don't see a good defense. Someone way smarter than I would have to see a way out of this mess. She cooked her own goose pretty good. It probably won't happen, but I sure wish she would just plead guilty, take her punishment and be done w/it.. I hate to see anyone have to testify on stand to what they found.

I wish she would too but I don't see that happening ever.
I think the only thing that Baez can do is what he is doing now.
Trying to create some doubt.
I hope none of the jurors are or will fall for that.
they can come up with any scernerio they want but anyone with any
intelligence has got to see the truth.
Hopefully when the prosecution lays it all out there will be no one
with half a brain who could think anyone else killed Caylee but Casey.
I will be most pleased when she finally has to take responsibility and accept her due.

[bchand]

Latest Update!

Two pairs of Casey's sunglasses removed during the search.

Memorial still growing.


http://www.wftv.com/video/18343479/index.html


Thanks for the link Swarvy. I didn't see the memorial though? I'll go back and check again since my computer is multi tasking.

(Been waiting to see you to give you this virtual Christmas gift) -
http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/catalog/prod.jhtml?itemId=prod50280149

[destiny1]

:sneaky:Now now, you know Cindy is medicated so George and Cindy are out for the poly.

But after seeing George on LKL, I have to wonder if he's now medicated too or if he knew what was coming????

Just little :w00t:whacky ideas I can't let go of on Lee and George. I don't really want to believe they would have left things like that unless it was to prove ineptitude of LE. When I refer to that I mean that if they figured out where Caylee was, not that they put her remains in the woods. JMO. :blushing:

Oh My! That is a horrible thought. They would have to be somehow medicated to allow that, no matter what their motives! I have to block that particular thought out.
They couldn't. They wouldn't. Sad beyond words.

[jakee]

Latest Update!

Two pairs of Casey's sunglasses removed during the search.

Memorial still growing.


http://www.wftv.com/video/18343479/index.html


For some reason that video won't play for me. I don't understand why they would take sunglasses, someone help me out here. :smile:

[AJandTam]

I really don't see how the defense stands a prayer. I wish I knew what their plan was, they certainly can't be going with the "nanny" story. Wouldn't they have to at least call someone that could prove she in fact did exsist?

Hi Willow. I think it is too late. They had all of this time and all of these LE resources to help prove this person existed and that the nanny had ties to Casey. They couldn't do it, because it was not a true story. No one is going to believe that someone had ties to a person for 4 years and yet there is not a single trace of it... None...

[Barbara fl.]

I wish she would too but I don't see that happening ever.
I think the only thing that Baez can do is what he is doing now.
Trying to create some doubt.
I hope none of the jurors are or will fall for that.
they can come up with any scernerio they want but anyone with any
intelligence has got to see the truth.
Hopefully when the prosecution lays it all out there will be no one
with half a brain who could think anyone else killed Caylee but Casey.
I will be most pleased when she finally has to take responsibility and accept her due.


Meeeeee Tooooooo....

[kOOkie1]

Here is a link to that Gale St. John blind drive video.http://psychicgale.com/blinddrive.htm.if anyone has not seen it.

[ellegna]

I'm still having concerns about the meter-reader.

I see bags all the time, but I don't call 911....especially three days in a row. He HAD to have looked in the bag and saw something, right?

Now...if thats the case, it would not matter if his route was changed or not...he would not wait four months to be re-assigned to look for the bag again, or contact LE on what became of it.

What am I missing?

I see bags on the hwy too but I would call them in if they happen to be in an area where a child went missing.
I do not have any concerns about him. Wasn't it reported he was ex military? He may have took Casey's comments "She's close" to heart and went with his gut feelings. :shrug:
IIRC his route was changed because his superiors were upset he was looking for Caylee on company time. He was reassigned that area recently.

[WillowInFlight]

Hi Willow. I think it is too late. They had all of this time and all of these LE resources to help prove this person existed and that the nanny had ties to Casey. They couldn't do it, because it was not a true story. No one is going to believe that someone had ties to a person for 4 years and yet there is not a single trace of it... None...

ITA, so I'm back to my original question, what is going to be their defense do you think?

[AJandTam]

I believe either way there has to be a trial seeing as this is a murder one charge....but if she was to plead guilty the trial would be for the punishment, at which point everything would still come out....

But, i don't believe she will ever confess...she will take it to her grave with her....at this point even if she knows that the whole world knows she is guilty, she still feels that her family will still believe her and be there for her.....I think the only way she would "MAYBE" confess would be if Cindy was to have some alone time with her and convince her that the family will still be there for her even if she told the truth.....But even then I have my doubts....

Honestly, I don't see it either. Unfortunately, everyone is going to have to go through a trial..

[Rick777]

Casey will get life with no parole. Now way they put her to death. I'm sure this thing will end with so many unanswered questions because Casey is not the kind to suddenly reveal the truth. I think she has convinced herself that she had nothing to do with Caylee's disappearence, and is still hoping she comes back.

[AJandTam]

I wish she would too but I don't see that happening ever.
I think the only thing that Baez can do is what he is doing now.
Trying to create some doubt.
I hope none of the jurors are or will fall for that.
they can come up with any scernerio they want but anyone with any
intelligence has got to see the truth.
Hopefully when the prosecution lays it all out there will be no one
with half a brain who could think anyone else killed Caylee but Casey.
I will be most pleased when she finally has to take responsibility and accept her due.

You know it Trich. The day that this is finally over and she is convicted it will all sink in maybe. Right now, I guess she thinks she can still lie her way out of it..

[Rick777]

Ok, its a good explanation, but why did the guy not to talk to Tim Miller? If the meter guy was following the case, which he was, he knew all about Tim Miller and the search, so why not send him a email, write the organization, etc.

ohhhhh....thats a good question! It's also ironic that it was within a day or two of Tim saying that they didn't think they would ever find her remains that the meter man popped up with the remains. Interesting timing....

[barskin&co.]

Casey will get life with no parole. Now way they put her to death. I'm sure this thing will end with so many unanswered questions because Casey is not the kind to suddenly reveal the truth. I think she has convinced herself that she had nothing to do with Caylee's disappearence, and is still hoping she comes back.

Okay, I agree with you about that. She will be convicted. She'll get life. And, like most other murder cases, there will be lots of unanswered questions.

[Rick777]

Okay, I agree with you about that. She will be convicted. She'll get life. And, like most other murder cases, there will be lots of unanswered questions.


Yeah...and that stinks cuz I like to know all the pieces of the puzzle. Detail freak!

[5boxersmom]

For some reason that video won't play for me. I don't understand why they would take sunglasses, someone help me out here. :smile:

Here is what I wonder. Someone posted a picture of the crime scene that looked like a yellow pair of sunglasses. Maybe Caylee had a pack of sunglasses. You know how you can buy them for your kids in packs of 3 or 4? Maybe they can match the ones from the crime scene up with the ones in the house.

Or they took the ones that Casey bought at Target?

imo

[Stella Rose]

Mornini all.

Every time I ask this question, the board is flooded with some breaking news, so I guess I will try again: Does anyone have confirmation if Jusge Strickland will remain on the case through trial. I have seen conflicting reports, and have googled, but found nothing concrete. Thank you.

[CANDYKISSES]

Oh My! That is a horrible thought. They would have to be somehow medicated to allow that, no matter what their motives! I have to block that particular thought out.
They couldn't. They wouldn't. Sad beyond words.

George really did say that about not being able to take a polygraph a month or so ago when being interviewed by a media rep IMO. I'm sure it was one of those misspeaks...but nevertheless it was said.

I would want to know LE checked out email accounts and phones referencing the meter reader, but that's just me. :blushing:

[AJandTam]

ITA, so I'm back to my original question, what is going to be their defense do you think?

I really don't know what they could come up w/now. It seems to be such an easy case. She didn't exactly do the great job she thought she did. Talk about a challenge... wow.

[Remy]

Mind boggling logic since the people calling could be calling from ANYWHERE. Even Biaz can't be that stoooooooooooopid. There will be change of venue and I am predicting the Miami area (like downtown Los Angeles <OJ> only different...).

I'm not so sure it's stupid since he seems to be putting everything together he can to present to an appellate court if she's convicted.

By not going to the crime scene when it was released, tip line etc. moo

[rbrnmw]

Good morning everyone!


I guess JB figures people will call in tips, then he can present reasonable doubt to the jury when he shows the tips that he received. Of course, how will we know if these tips are for real, like the tips for a "live" Caylee. :cursing:
from crackpots maybe

[Lavenia]

Caylee's remains expected to be released within 24 hours.

Casey will have roast beef and presents for Xmas.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18339375/index.html

Don't get too excited over this, lol. My usual disclaimer applies (don't know this jail, etc.), but the "gifts" are pretty humble,like *maybe* a toothbrush (with the handle sawed off for security) and an orange, (if they last) and that delicious "roast beef dinner" is roast beef dinner like Friskies Seaside Delight's Flavor is lobster with drawn butter. The only difference I ever saw on X-mas day in prison is that you saw a *little* bit of prison ministry around but other than that, NOTHING else changed (schedules, visitation, etc.). Not to worry, it's no great shakes in jail on Xmas.

[AJandTam]

Ok, its a good explanation, but why did the guy not to talk to Tim Miller? If the meter guy was following the case, which he was, he knew all about Tim Miller and the search, so why not send him a email, write the organization, etc.

I'll give you lots of credit for that question MalloryCat. Everyone knew that Tim and Lenny were planning big searches.

[5boxersmom]

Ok, its a good explanation, but why did the guy not to talk to Tim Miller? If the meter guy was following the case, which he was, he knew all about Tim Miller and the search, so why not send him a email, write the organization, etc.

Maybe he did. Or maybe he thought it was nothing and the LE ruled it out. Then when Caylee still wasn't found and he was put back on the route he started looking there again?

I really don't know but a very good question.

[WillowInFlight]

Don't get too excited over this, lol. My usual disclaimer applies (don't know this jail, etc.), but the "gifts" are pretty humble,like *maybe* a toothbrush (with the handle sawed off for security) and an orange, (if they last) and that delicious "roast beef dinner" is roast beef dinner like Friskies Seaside Delight's Flavor is lobster with drawn butter. The only difference I ever saw on X-mas day in prison is that you saw a *little* bit of prison ministry around but other than that, NOTHING else changed (schedules, visitation, etc.). Not to worry, it's no great shakes in jail on Xmas.

It's still a lot more than Caylee will ever have again.

[Rick777]

I think the defense will use insanity, and talk about all of Casey's lies as proof. I think they will use the fact that the meter man found the remains, but the dogs and search teams could not as evidence that someone placed the bag there.

That being said....I don't think they are trying to win this case, just save her some years in prison.

[barskin&co.]

Yeah...and that stinks cuz I like to know all the pieces of the puzzle. Detail freak!

You think you're ever going to know what goes on in the mind of a sociopathic killer like PPOFICA? Good luck!

[jakee]

Here is what I wonder. Someone posted a picture of the crime scene that looked like a yellow pair of sunglasses. Maybe Caylee had a pack of sunglasses. You know how you can buy them for your kids in packs of 3 or 4? Maybe they can match the ones from the crime scene up with the ones in the house.

Or they took the ones that Casey bought at Target?

imo


Oh thanks! I didn't know about the picture and maybe yellow sunglasses.

It is just confusing to me, they know it is Caylee and I am trying to figure out how taking sunglasses from the home would link it to Casey. The pack of sunglasses is a thought though!

[trich]

According to the Anthony's lawyer they are not asking for donations for Caylee's funeral.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

I do believe this new attorney is really trying his best to change the publics opinion of this family.
He sure has alot of work ahead of him. IMO

I still think it is too little too late.


Everyone has the deepest feelings for Caylee and how her short life was taken from her but the way this family has lied and done everything to protect her murderer....well I don't think many will get over that any time soon.


Especially when they are still at it by accusing everyone but Casey.

[Lavenia]

Meaning what, I am sure she can only kill someone once! barf


This is just SPECULATION.


What if Caylee had almost drowned before, and Cindy being a nurse had to bring her back, meaning CPR? And thats what Lee meant, was this like last time?

I have to believe this would be well known among their circle, Mal. I hate to say this because I would hate to discourage anyone's efforts, but CPR has really a really low success rate (but really high if you or yours IS the success!) if done when truly in arrest and fresh water "almost drowning" is almost always damaging in some way like a really nasty pneumonia, brain swelling, etc. IMO, if that would have happened in the past, they would have been so damned traumatized, *you would know*.

[RiverWalk]

Here is a link to that Gale St. John blind drive video.http://psychicgale.com/blinddrive.htm.if anyone has not seen it.


This was supposed to be on August 11th (shown on TV with Geraldo and that's what he said).

Do any of you see ANY garbage bags out the window as they drive all over the area?

Listen to the woman with the dog "knee deep water".......

[Lavenia]

It's still a lot more than Caylee will ever have again.

Oh Willow, LOL, do not think for ONE MOMENT, I give even a whisker of a rat's arse about Casey Anthoney!

[Rick777]

Who is paying for the defense "Dream Team"?


Also....it's too late IMO to play the "It was an accident" card. I think that could have worked earlier.

[Stella Rose]

respectfully snipped for length

[QUOTE=trich;12573960]According to the Anthony's lawyer they are not asking for donations for Caylee's funeral.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

I do believe this new attorney is really trying his best to change the publics opinion of this family.
He sure has alot of work ahead of him. IMO

QUOTE]

You sure said a mouthful! IMO This guy has accepted a task tougher than climbing Mt. Everest in February. I wish him luck with that public opinion makeover. Wouldn't want his job for all the money in the world.

[aubrey04]

LOL......yeah, right after cindy, george, lee and casey take one. imo.

It is amazing that some people keep posting that everyone BESIDES Cindy, George and Lee ..should take a polygraph. In the grand scheme of things - I think LE would much rather get Lee, Cindy and George hooked up to a LDT over Lenny or even the meter reader.

We don't know that the meter reader hasn't taken a polygraph test. He might have and we just don't know it. But we know for a fact that Cindy, George and Lee haven't taken one.

[breezie]

Ok, its a good explanation, but why did the guy not to talk to Tim Miller? If the meter guy was following the case, which he was, he knew all about Tim Miller and the search, so why not send him a email, write the organization, etc.

why didn't Casey talk to Tim Miller. Geez...you expect this guy to be superman, but don't mind that Cindy and George perpetuate Casey's lies. I don't get it. He did what he felt was right. Tim Miller was on that area, he just couldn't search it at the times he was in Orlando. What more do you want?

[destiny1]

It is amazing that some people keep posting that everyone BESIDES Cindy, George and Lee ..should take a polygraph. In the grand scheme of things - I think LE would much rather get Lee, Cindy and George hooked up to a LDT over Lenny or even the meter reader.

We don't know that the meter reader hasn't taken a polygraph test. He might have and we just don't know it. But we know for a fact that Cindy, George and Lee haven't taken one.

My question would be, what do any of them have to gain or lose that would make them go to the extents that have been gone to for a coverup. saying there is some kind of a big conspiracy, that is.

[Stella Rose]

But the flesh rots, there would not be hair on the skull, how could there be if there were no soft tissue?

I imagine the tape would still be tangled up in her hair, regardless if the hair was still attatched to the skull. (Sorry Caylee. Hated typing this.)

[destiny1]

But the flesh rots, there would not be hair on the skull, how could there be if there were no soft tissue?

Hair is kyatin (sp). It is going to last.

Morning Mallory

[no1what]

IMO the LE are already watching every online post the Anthony's or anyone in their family are making on any of these type of blogs.

[trich]

See....to me that doesn't matter. If he was so convinced that he called three straight days, changing his route would not take his passion away from what he thinks was in that bag.

What some might be forgetting also is that I believe I heard that he knew that was an area that Casey used to go to with her friends when they were younger.
He IMO really felt the body could be there.
I have feelings about things all the time that stay with me until I find out differently.

[Stella Rose]

The tips that were not pickedup were probably from physics, has anyone checked the tips that were released to the public to see if the 3 from the meter reader were in there, all 3 tips were cleared by LE.

JMO

I read through all of the tips that were released, and I don't recall reading any that sounded even remotely credible. They were mostly all dreams, visions, impressions, etc.

[no1what]

But the flesh rots, there would not be hair on the skull, how could there be if there were no soft tissue?


My understanding is that there was hard exterior skin tissue on the tape but no soft tissue.

[martha]

Good morning everyone I guess we have nothing new today. I guess c g and lee have not said anything since the baby was found. I hope they or not asking for more money. That train has left the station. It is up to them now. They will make plenty of money of of book and movies deals anyway. I don;t believe casey will ever tell the truth. she just wants to get out of jail and her lawyer will blame it on anyoe he can think of. jmho

[barskin&co.]

Don't get too excited over this, lol. My usual disclaimer applies (don't know this jail, etc.), but the "gifts" are pretty humble,like *maybe* a toothbrush (with the handle sawed off for security) and an orange, (if they last) and that delicious "roast beef dinner" is roast beef dinner like Friskies Seaside Delight's Flavor is lobster with drawn butter. The only difference I ever saw on X-mas day in prison is that you saw a *little* bit of prison ministry around but other than that, NOTHING else changed (schedules, visitation, etc.). Not to worry, it's no great shakes in jail on Xmas.

:lol: I think Friskies Seaside Delight is the alternate selection. :lol:
Bon apetit!

[marshmallow]

It is amazing that some people keep posting that everyone BESIDES Cindy, George and Lee ..should take a polygraph. In the grand scheme of things - I think LE would much rather get Lee, Cindy and George hooked up to a LDT over Lenny or even the meter reader.

We don't know that the meter reader hasn't taken a polygraph test. He might have and we just don't know it. But we know for a fact that Cindy, George and Lee haven't taken one.



apparently the meter reader's fair game now but the Anthonys only get pity and praise.

[destiny1]

Good Morning. I am just saying there was no soft tissue left, so how would there be hair on the skull, maybe around the skull, in the bag, but on the head, I just cant see it, duct tape does not reattach. I sure hope for some answers soon.
The flesh decayed and the tape was left in place. It didn't stick per se, but it could remain in its original shape around the body parts of the head. I hate to do this, but try putting tape around a piece of ice. After the ice STARTS to melt (relating the outer parts to the skin/soft tissue) as the ice melts, the tape will stay in the original shape with some slippage. Of course this isn't a really good example because the ice totally disentigrates, but it will show the process in its early stage.

[Lavenia]

:lol: I think Friskies Seaside Delight is the alternate selection. :lol:
Bon apetit!

That and a little Pruno de toilet 2008... Bella Vita! :lol:

[destiny1]

:lol: I think Friskies Seaside Delight is the alternate selection. :lol:
Bon apetit!

My cats deserve better than that monster. IMO

Institutional food like that which Casey will receive is by no means "prepared with lots of love warmth and well wishes"

[athina]

I'm still having concerns about the meter-reader.

I see bags all the time, but I don't call 911....especially three days in a row. He HAD to have looked in the bag and saw something, right?

Now...if thats the case, it would not matter if his route was changed or not...he would not wait four months to be re-assigned to look for the bag again, or contact LE on what became of it.

What am I missing?

OH ITA with ya, I also think he touched the bag at some point. Probably he just smelled and was suspicious at first and called the police 3 times and probably thought the police had taken care of it and forgot about it.
Then he was reassigned and saw the bag again, I believe that is when he might have touched it and thats when he called again?
:unsure:

[WillowInFlight]

My cats deserve better than that monster. IMO

Institutional food like that which Casey will receive is by no means "prepared with lots of love warmth and well wishes"

Reminds me of the conversation she had with Cindy while her daughter was rotting on the side of the road. "Mom, I had grits today":cursing:

[karen]

This is sad! And sounds familiar.............

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Shocking-Discovery-Babies-Dead-Bodies-Were-Badly/BsedT8m0nUmbxHokFJWBKQ.cspx

[aubrey04]

apparently the meter reader's fair game now but the Anthonys only get pity and praise.

What a shame.. :( This man really blew this case wide open. I never in a million years imagined that Caylee would have been found so quickly... And to me - it was pretty quick even though months have passed since Caylee's disappearance.. Casey had 31 days to dispose of her anywhere and her cellphone pings were all over the map during that time period.

After the major searches ended - I thought MAYBE a hunter or hiker would find her years down the road..

This man is a hero in my book. He accomplished what thousands of people prayed for -- for months. He found Caylee, so she could be laid to rest in a respectable and proper manner.

[Lavenia]

My cats deserve better than that monster. IMO

Institutional food like that which Casey will receive is by no means "prepared with lots of love warmth and well wishes"

Nonetheless, by no means are all the ingredients listed on the label. barf

Daddy/Mommy better keep the commissary funds rolling. She's gonna need 'em for alllll kinds of currency (and food).

[starling]

why is it so easy to be suspicious of the meter reader and not of the Anthonys?

I thought Mark Furman did an excellent job of explaining how the meter reader nor LE did anything wrong or suspicious. I'm sure it's in last nights NG transcript. JMO


edited: Whoops sorry He was on Greta/FOX

[MalloryCat]

OH ITA with ya, I also think he touched the bag at some point. Probably he just smelled and was suspicious at first and called the police 3 times and probably thought the police had taken care of it and forgot about it.
Then he was reassigned and saw the bag again, I believe that is when he might have touched it and thats when he called again?
:unsure:

But if he could see it and touch it and look inside, why couldn't the cops?

[marshmallow]

That makes sense because they are the living blood and flesh of the deceased baby. Thats not to say our hearts can't go out to the meter reader as well, for the trauma he must have and continues to suffer.


doesn't make sense to me. people imply he's involved or that he should take a ldt but the poor poor Anthonys who did interfere with the search for Caylee, from day 31, get praised/forgiven/blindly excused for their actions.

something's seriously wrong with that picture.



I'm guessing less and less people will bother to call in tips on crimes and I won't blame anyone for not bothering ..why get attacked for doing the right thing?

[Rick777]

A decaying body is a smell thats like NO other! (Especially not to be confused with old pizza in a car). I'm surprised the whole neighborhood wasn't going crazy about the smell. I guess the meter man has a good sniffer.

[jill collins]

I'm not so sure it's stupid since he seems to be putting everything together he can to present to an appellate court if she's convicted.

By not going to the crime scene when it was released, tip line etc. moo

I am not seeing an appellate issue. He certainly couldn't claim ineffective counsel since he brought in the world famous scheme team. Motions to "preserve the record" make great talking points for defense lawyers and talking heads. Appellate courts will look for "judicial errors". I see no such errors. Baez is in a hole and he just keeps digging.:rolleyes:

QUESTION: Does anyone believe Baez will be the lead attorney once this case goes to trial?

[WillowInFlight]

I just ran out for a fast smoke and had a sick thought. Poor Caylee is loved more in death than she was alive.:crying:

[Jpanda]

doesn't make sense to me. people imply he's involved or that he should take a ldt but the poor poor Anthonys who did interfere with the search for Caylee, from day 31, get praised/forgiven/blindly excused for their actions.

something's seriously wrong with that picture.



I'm guessing less and less people will bother to call in tips on crimes and I won't blame anyone for not bothering ..why get attacked for doing the right thing?

Hi marsh, just wanted to clear up my view - I agreed that it would be good for him to take a LDT only to dispell all the nasty rumors going on about him. I would hate for the defense to try to throw him finding Caylee back in his face. Like I said in my other post, I think the guy's a hero for finding Caylee and for keeping his eyes open like that.

jmo

[aubrey04]

Are we even sure the suspicious bag the meter reader found the first time around is the same bag?

Does someone have a link to where it was confirmed?

If it was the same bag, then maybe he was scared to open it. I wouldn't want to touch a bag which I thought might hold a dead childs remains. Especially if I was alone in the woods.. talk about creepy.

He called the cops.. the cops were going through 5,000 tips.. Casey was sending LE on a wild goose chase. The Anthony's were too busy repeating Casey's lies to help LE figure out fact from fiction.

Nobody is to blame for Caylee not being found sooner besides Casey.. oh and George, Cindy and Lee.

[Jpanda]

Respectfully snipped

QUESTION: Does anyone believe Baez will be the lead attorney once this case goes to trial?

I think he might be, since he's been running the show thus far. I think his ego is going to sink the whole "Save Casey" ship.

Good for us, very bad for Casey, IMO

[Lavenia]

I honestly shudder at the thought they might read these blogs. Why would anyone wish to read some of the less than supportive words about their own family. I can't imagine it would promote a sense of healing by reading them.

I think they would have given up looking for solace on the internet a looong time ago. There are TONS of Anthony boards now, the vast majority with the same negative opinions with little of the civility found here. They're not going to find much of what there is little of.

A message board wont touch the kind of help they need.

[MalloryCat]

Hi marsh, just wanted to clear up my view - I agreed that it would be good for him to take a LDT only to dispell all the nasty rumors going on about him. I would hate for the defense to try to throw him finding Caylee back in his face. Like I said in my other post, I think the guy's a hero for finding Caylee and for keeping his eyes open like that.

jmo


Exactly, and really when it comes down to it, the meter reader is not that important, Baez isnt going to even try to pin it on him, all he is going to do is say, hey the LE was there, in that area, around the time Casey was in jail, they didn't smell or see a body, so it was not there at that time, thats what Baez is going to hang it all on, not the guy, the negligence of the LE, as he sees it.

jmo

[WillowInFlight]

I'm positive Caylee felt the love of her grandparents every minute of her short life. She certainly looked like she was loved in the pictures, and through her demeanor.

Well she obviously wasn't loved enough. IMO

[desmom]

I think the defense will use insanity, and talk about all of Casey's lies as proof. I think they will use the fact that the meter man found the remains, but the dogs and search teams could not as evidence that someone placed the bag there.

That being said....I don't think they are trying to win this case, just save her some years in prison.

Playing catch up....Couldn't they save her some years in prison with a plea deal? :shrug:

[destiny1]

Cops know it was a crime scene at that point...they would lose their jobs?? I am sure they had to wait on csi to get there.

People just refuse to understand that cops too have policies procedures and protocols that have to be followed. Who knows with this case, though. So many crazies, so little time and human resources, and given the misdirection they were given IMO by the victims family, its a wonder they got anything followed up.

[Lavenia]

This is going to sound so GROSS...

Think of beef jerky... Or think of the way your heels get all hard and crusty...a lot of times in decomp your OUTER EPIDERMIS will dry up like a mummy, depending on the decomp conditions. I dont know about this case with Caylee being in water.

I see you're inland Sassy, LOL. I too, live in an area similar in climate to the A's and believe me, ain't nuttin' mummifying here! Too much moisture and I don't mean the rains per se, but the daily humidity. You need a dry, hot air to mummify. Things in our climate *rot*.

[aubrey04]

doesn't make sense to me. people imply he's involved or that he should take a ldt but the poor poor Anthonys who did interfere with the search for Caylee, from day 31, get praised/forgiven/blindly excused for their actions.

something's seriously wrong with that picture.



I'm guessing less and less people will bother to call in tips on crimes and I won't blame anyone for not bothering ..why get attacked for doing the right thing?

:thumbup: ITA. Now this poor man has been drawn into this circus. IIRC, during the press conference he had.. his lawyer insinuated that the mans co-workers were even being bothered with people trying to find out more info about Roy.

People have insinauted that Mr. Kronk did something wrong, when there are no facts to back that up. This man did what many thought was impossible. Tim Miller even said that he didn't think Caylee would ever be found. Poor guy..

[Eli]

When I heard that last night I wondered why Jessie made the point of saying "the 1st time", what happened the other times?

He was going to college and he saw her again and they tried to revive what they had before but for Jesse it wasnt there so he broke off with her. that was the second time

Ele

[kitty1182]

This is sad! And sounds familiar.............

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Shocking-Discovery-Babies-Dead-Bodies-Were-Badly/BsedT8m0nUmbxHokFJWBKQ.cspx

:sad:



..................

[tybek]

Are we even sure the suspicious bag the meter reader found the first time around is the same bag?

Does someone have a link to where it was confirmed?

If it was the same bag, then maybe he was scared to open it. I wouldn't want to touch a bag which I thought might hold a dead childs remains. Especially if I was alone in the woods.. talk about creepy.

He called the cops.. the cops were going through 5,000 tips.. Casey was sending LE on a wild goose chase. The Anthony's were too busy repeating Casey's lies to help LE figure out fact from fiction.

Nobody is to blame for Caylee not being found sooner besides Casey.. oh and George, Cindy and Lee.

He may also have been being cautious to not contaminate potential evidence. I know Miller is very clear to tell all his searchers to back away from a potential find and secure the immediate area to prevent contamination. No touching, no picking up, no poking on or around if they see something suspicious. It's a potential crime scene which, and if it is contaminated, it could prevent the successful prosecution of the person responsible. Maybe he knew this. Bless him, if he touched anything with his hands and had fingerprints on the evidence, you know Casey's team would try to implicate him to deflect attention off of her. JMO