Michelle Young - Dec. 22 thru Jan. 1

[MerriMent]

Riiiight.

Why didn't you just say you couldn't substantiate your "facts"?

The search warrants do substantiate my facts.

[annalyzer]

After reading the custody complaint, I don't believe Jason was Meredith's accomplice.




Why? btw you have never thought Jason was involved have you?

[MerriMent]

If that's her motive, she would have needed to kill Jason and Heather too. Since the will has a request that Heather have guardianship in the event both Michelle and Jason are deceased.

What are the "others"?

Kill Jason? He wasn't there. Another way to get Jason out of the picture would be to get Jason arrested and convicted of a crime he didn't commit.

[MerriMent]

Why? btw you have never thought Jason was involved have you?

Actually, in the beginning, I did think Jason was involved.

[Cardinal]

Kill Jason? He wasn't there. Another way to get Jason out of the picture would be to get Jason arrested and convicted of a crime he didn't commit.

Then you must think the outcome of the custody case is a sure thing - to satisfy Meredith's "motive".

[Cardinal]

Hi Merriment, It seems some don't think the PC's on the warrants are any more that something LE made up. So when they see a fact they dismiss it as more LE propaganda.

So you think the PC has validity? All of it, or just the PC in the one SW for Michelle's SUV?

[Cardinal]

I don't think there was a motive. I think it was a cat fight that got out of hand. I think what will hang MF is the fact about the car keys. If any one else was with her it was the BF and he is long gone to my understanding. If anyone else had driven that car her keys wouldn't have been on the hood . So she had to be the driver.

So what do you think she changed into from the clothes she was wearing to commit the murder? Since we've not heard of any trace evidence being found in Michelle's SUV.

[MerriMent]

I don't think there was a motive. I think it was a cat fight that got out of hand. I think what will hang MF is the fact about the car keys. If any one else was with her it was the BF and he is long gone to my understanding. If anyone else had driven that car her keys wouldn't have been on the hood . So she had to be the driver.

I think Meredith's cohort was a lowlife acquaintence

[Cardinal]

I think Meredith's cohort was a lowlife acquaintence

Some lowlife who didn't steal the electronics?

[MerriMent]

Then you must think the outcome of the custody case is a sure thing - to satisfy Meredith's "motive".

or to satisfy delusions of entitlement? No judge is going to remove a child from her only parent and give her to another suspect in her mother's murder. I'm pretty confident that is not going to happen.

[Cardinal]

or to satisfy delusions of entitlement? No judge is going to remove a child from her only parent and give her to another suspect in her mother's murder. I'm pretty confident that is not going to happen.

Your premise presumes Meredith is a suspect. I've not seen any indication of that.

But that aside, I'm still waiting for the others of the several motives you believe she had. What are they?

[MerriMent]

Some lowlife who didn't steal the electronics?

I think the lowlife did steal electronics.

[Cardinal]

I think the lowlife did steal electronics.

Really? Is Mrs. Young not aware of that?

[annalyzer]

Actually, in the beginning, I did think Jason was involved.

What in the custody complaint makes you no longer believe "Jason was Meredith's accomplice"? (which when reading that I had to laugh a little :biggrin:)

[MerriMent]

Your premise presumes Meredith is a suspect. I've not seen any indication of that.

But that aside, I'm still waiting for the others of the several motives you believe she had. What are they?

Conflicting statements given to police that are mentioned in a search warrant that was sealed are an excellent indication Meredith is a suspect.

[Cardinal]

Conflicting statements given to police that are mentioned in a search warrant that was sealed are an excellent indication Meredith is a suspect.

My question was what other of several motives, other than custody of Cassidy, you believe Meredith had. What are they?

[MerriMent]

What in the custody complaint makes you no longer believe "Jason was Meredith's accomplice"? (which when reading that I had to laugh a little :biggrin:)

I have never believed Jason was Meredith's accomplice.

[MerriMent]

My question was what other of several motives, other than custody of Cassidy, you believe Meredith had. What are they?

It doesn't really matter.

[MerriMent]

Really? Is Mrs. Young not aware of that?

I'm pretty sure she is.

[Cardinal]

It doesn't really matter.

Why doesn't it matter? And why won't you post them?

[Cardinal]

I'm pretty sure she is.

Then why didn't she list the electronics along with the jewelry, etc. that she reported was missing?

[MerriMent]

Why doesn't it matter? And why won't you post them?

I've already posted one.

[Cardinal]

I've already posted one.

But you said you saw several motives:

I see several although none is needed.

I'd really like to hear the others.

[MerriMent]

Then why didn't she list the electronics along with the jewelry, etc. that she reported was missing?

I'm pretty sure LE already knew.

[Cardinal]

I'm pretty sure LE already knew.

Or not, as the case may be.

[MerriMent]

Or not, as the case may be.

Just because you don't know something doesn't make it untrue.

[kingbuff]

Just because you don't know something doesn't make it untrue.

Those who rely on cops to light the way with facts will certainly be left in the dark. --Robbinsville wisdom

[kingbuff]

Looks like you prefer anarchy over law, order and justice .

The Narrow-minded fail to see the big picture. --Robbinsville wisdom.

It's a complicated case. --Wake County sheriff.

[Wyn]

"The trouble with the laws these days is that criminals know their rights better than their wrongs." ~Author Unknown

[Cardinal]

Just because you don't know something doesn't make it untrue.

My statement wasn't about what I know, but about what LE knows. I've not seen anything to indicate that LE knows about any missing electronics. Stolen by lowlifes, or otherwise.

Have you?

[kingbuff]

Investigator believes Jason Young killed his wife

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4081439/

He concludes, "Based on my experience in law enforcement ... and my knowledge of the evidence gathered in the investigation of the death of Michelle Young, in my opinion, the allegation ... that 'Jason Young brutally murdered Michelle Young at their residence' is true."

"This document says he murdered his wife," Paul Michaels, an attorney for Fisher said Friday

The sheriff was wrong. Not a complicated case. The killer should have been arrested within a week. Spivey should be sheriff.

[Wyn]

"No amount of law enforcement can solve a problem that goes back to the family.” J. Edgar Hoover



“Above all, I would teach him to tell the truth. Truth-telling, I have found, is the key to responsible citizenship. The thousands of criminals I have seen in 40 years of law enforcement have had one thing in common: every single one was a liar.”
J. Edgar Hoover

[Wyn]

Capital cases with Colin Willoughby take time ;)

No rush. No statute of limitations. First Jason lost the WD Suit. Next he'll lose custody of Cassidy. Then he'll lose his freedom. Or perhaps his life. Some people just don't see the forest for the trees. And some are just stupid and only care about keys, and boyfriends, and myspace pages that have nothing to do with Michelle's murder. Doesn't matter, in the end, Justice will prevail.

Merry Christmas. It will be a Happy New Year.

[kingbuff]

Spoken from a true family man :smile:

Wish I had said that. I had a good laugh from it.

[enigma™]

No rush. No statute of limitations. First Jason lost the WD Suit. Next he'll lose custody of Cassidy. Then he'll lose his freedom. Or perhaps his life. Some people just don't see the forest for the trees. And some are just stupid and only care about keys, and boyfriends, and myspace pages that have nothing to do with Michelle's murder. Doesn't matter, in the end, Justice will prevail.

Merry Christmas. It will be a Happy New Year.

Hey, Wyn, could you help me out here? Why is it some do not think, within the 12+ days LE was at the Birchleaf home, they did not dust the Lexus for prints? I am of the belief that SW for the Lexus was to take the GPS system, along with possible blood evidence. I cannot imagine, if they thought someone took Cassidy out of the home in that vehicle, that they would not have printed it on the premises, and checked seat positioning. It just does not make sense.

[Wyn]

Hey, Wyn, could you help me out here? Why is it some do not think, within the 12+ days LE was at the Birchleaf home, they did not dust the Lexus for prints? I am of the belief that SW for the Lexus was to take the GPS system, along with possible blood evidence. I cannot imagine, if they thought someone took Cassidy out of the home in that vehicle, that they would not have printed it on the premises, and checked seat positioning. It just does not make sense.


Just wishful thinking on some posters' part? Grasping at straws? Who knows? Sorry I can't be more helpful but I have no idea how some of these posters come up with their outlandish theories. I'm sure you're correct that the Lexus was checked out.

[enigma™]

Just wishful thinking on some posters' part? Grasping at straws? Who knows? Sorry I can't be more helpful but I have no idea how some of these posters come up with their outlandish theories. I'm sure you're correct that the Lexus was checked out.

Thanks for your response. I believe you are correct. Straw grasping has taken on a new level with this case.

[bookie]

Hey, Wyn, could you help me out here? Why is it some do not think, within the 12+ days LE was at the Birchleaf home, they did not dust the Lexus for prints? I am of the belief that SW for the Lexus was to take the GPS system, along with possible blood evidence. I cannot imagine, if they thought someone took Cassidy out of the home in that vehicle, that they would not have printed it on the premises, and checked seat positioning. It just does not make sense.


If the Lexus had GPS and the police wanted it I'm 99.999% sure they would have had to specifically listed it in the s/w.

[Hey Paula]

The sheriff was wrong. Not a complicated case. The killer should have been arrested within a week. Spivey should be sheriff.

Isn't it the DA, not the Sheriff, who decides when/if to bring a case before the GJ?

[Hey Paula]

Yes Paula.
The cops have said publicly they think Jason "the slayer" Young is guilty.

Sounds like the DA wants more than enough :mad:
(pubic funds....they are underpaid and overworked)

I think LE/DA has handled this case brilliantly. They have allowed JY to all but convict himself through his actions and through his failure to act. I truly believe JY will be convicted once he is tried, and although justice for Michelle and Rylan has be delayed, it won't be denied.

Thinking of Cassidy and Michelle's family during the bittersweet holiday season. May God bless and strengthen them. :rose:

[Hey Paula]

Don't let the civil process conclude quickly......


P.S.
Brad Cooper

Exactly, Slayer! The civil process will likely be perceived as consciousness of guilt in the criminal trial.

IMO

[Barbara2]

And why wasn't it taken when MY was first murdered if they wanted it?

It was, at least according to JTF. In a post from her 11-15-06:

"5) Yes, his vehicle was impounded, as was Michelle's, and her sisters. Most news reports neglect to mention that there were several vehicles impounded and that again, in a case such as this, it is perfectly normal for the spouses to be one of them."

[Wyn]

Do you think it might be because they got a warrant to check it for blood 8 months after the murder. Remember they had to go back and measure the tile in the bathroom. They forgot in the 13 days to do that. Makes some wonder what did they do in that 13 days. Oh I almost forgot the ME forgot the rape kit. I guess we just sit around and try to think up outlandish theories.


Not doing the rape kit does not mean the ME "forgot". Guess he might have a reason that hasn't been shared with the public. Measuring tiles is no biggie. Keys, no biggie. There being enough evidence that the public doesn't know about, and the info we know from the search warrants, for a judge to determine Jason a "SLAYER", is what's important. Don't take your eye off the ball.

And yes, it does appear that you just sit around and try to think up outlandish theories.

[achristie]

It was, at least according to JTF. In a post from her 11-15-06:

"5) Yes, his vehicle was impounded, as was Michelle's, and her sisters. Most news reports neglect to mention that there were several vehicles impounded and that again, in a case such as this, it is perfectly normal for the spouses to be one of them."

'It is perfectly normal for the spouses to be one of them'.

MOO Aggie

[Wyn]

It was, at least according to JTF. In a post from her 11-15-06:

"5) Yes, his vehicle was impounded, as was Michelle's, and her sisters. Most news reports neglect to mention that there were several vehicles impounded and that again, in a case such as this, it is perfectly normal for the spouses to be one of them."


Once confused, always confused, eh Barbara? Wonder why some posters don't realize that they know only the tip of the ice berg as far as information goes?

[jerry50]

I head Ms.Young will eventually be named an accessory after the fact :wink:

I hope the DA does charge everyone who mislead LE with false statements. The robbery list would be a good place to start for Ms Young.

[achristie]

I hope the DA does charge everyone who mislead LE with false statements. The robbery list would be a good place to start for Ms Young.

You really think that, Jerry? I wonder how often that happens? I'm sure LE deals with many misleading statements from family members. I'm inclined to think once they get the big fish they let the little things slide. Perhaps I am naive.

MOO Aggie

[kingbuff]

Do you think it might be because they got a warrant to check it for blood 8 months after the murder. Remember they had to go back and measure the tile in the bathroom. They forgot in the 13 days to do that. Makes some wonder what did they do in that 13 days. Oh I almost forgot the ME forgot the rape kit. I guess we just sit around and try to think up outlandish theories.

The bathroom tiles? So they could determine the size of the footprints? Okay, another outlandish idea, not theory: What if those are not Cassie's prints? Maybe they're too big to be Cassie's?

[Doorbell]

The bathroom tiles? So they could determine the size of the footprints? Okay, another outlandish idea, not theory: What if those are not Cassie's prints? Maybe they're too big to be Cassie's?

Do you think there was an older child at the scene? When? Whose? Why? And, on what do you base such speculation?

[enigma™]

You really think that, Jerry? I wonder how often that happens? I'm sure LE deals with many misleading statements from family members. I'm inclined to think once they get the big fish they let the little things slide. Perhaps I am naive.

MOO Aggie

Aggie, I do not think you are naive, however, it probably happens more often than not. Remember Jessica Lunsford and how how Couey's family tried to protect themselves? They were not trying to protect John, they did not want to go to jail. They did not go to jail - yet. I believe the same is in play here. Each for his or herself. I do not think, after all this time, LE is going to let anything or anyone slide, but that is just me. It matters not, so long as justice for Michelle and Rylan prevails. The rest have to live with their own consciences.

[achristie]

Little fish = Bait

I reckon it happens more than you think.


Aaaaah. Okay, now I get it.

[Hey Paula]

You really think that, Jerry? I wonder how often that happens? I'm sure LE deals with many misleading statements from family members. I'm inclined to think once they get the big fish they let the little things slide. Perhaps I am naive.

MOO Aggie

Hi Aggie!

ITA!

LE/DA are often reluctant to charge perps/defendants family members with crimes unless they blatantly obstructed justice, participated in the crime itself, or aided in covering the crime.

IMO

[Hey Paula]

Wonder if the DA considers 28 phone calls after the murder blatant ?

I have no doubt LE considers those calls as suspicious as we do, but it's the content of those calls/what was discussed which might result in charges being filed.

IMO

[Leanne Weich]

So what do you think she changed into from the clothes she was wearing to commit the murder? Since we've not heard of any trace evidence being found in Michelle's SUV.

Card, don't be silly - don't you know she must have showered and changed into one of Michelle's maternity outfits.

[achristie]

Aggie, I do not think you are naive, however, it probably happens more often than not. Remember Jessica Lunsford and how how Couey's family tried to protect themselves? They were not trying to protect John, they did not want to go to jail. They did not go to jail - yet. I believe the same is in play here. Each for his or herself. I do not think, after all this time, LE is going to let anything or anyone slide, but that is just me. It matters not, so long as justice for Michelle and Rylan prevails. The rest have to live with their own consciences.


Yes, Enigma, now I get it. I was thinking more on the lines of AFTER an arrest. I didn't follow the Couey case; too gruesome and unsettling. But I have tried to put myself in Mrs. Young's shoes. Not an easy task. She has a son that she raised and loved. She knows he isn't perfect, sees his flaws, yet he marries, has a child, has a job, and a new home.....life apart from her, a seemingly established life. Then life is turned upside down. The music stops. Where do you go from there? Her public personae, the wee bit that we've seen or heard, is that her son is innocent. What else is a mother to do? Short of her son confessing or her having concrete evidence, she has no other path but to support his innocence. I guess what I'm trying to convey is that I would be surprised if his mother obstructed justice in any way. She can only work with what she knows. Even if in her gut she thinks he is capable, with no proof, she can't go there.

Ach, I'm rambling. MOO Aggie

[Leanne Weich]

or to satisfy delusions of entitlement? No judge is going to remove a child from her only parent and give her to another suspect in her mother's murder. I'm pretty confident that is not going to happen.

I didn't note Judge Stephens refer to Jason as an accomplice of the slayer of Michelle, nor would he, imo, have named JY slayer if there was another suspect. Det. Spivey would not perjure himself by way of Affidavit of stating that he believes JY to be the slayer if there was another viable suspect. Elementary dear Watson.

[Leanne Weich]

Just because you don't know something doesn't make it untrue.

Just because you have an over active imagination, doesn't make it true either.

[MerriMent]

My statement wasn't about what I know, but about what LE knows. I've not seen anything to indicate that LE knows about any missing electronics. Stolen by lowlifes, or otherwise.

Have you?

Yes. Not that it matters one whit. The priority is Michelle, not stolen electronic stuff.

[achristie]

Yes. Not that it matters one whit. The priority is Michelle, not stolen electronic stuff.

Then why mention it?

[MerriMent]

The bathroom tiles? So they could determine the size of the footprints? Okay, another outlandish idea, not theory: What if those are not Cassie's prints? Maybe they're too big to be Cassie's?

I've thought that is why they went back and measured the tiles.

[MerriMent]

Then why mention it?

Cardinal brought it up, not me. I'm just trying to be helpful.

[alter ego]

99.99 %
Actually, the cops had a SW for the Lexus and anything and everything in and on the vehicle was coveredThat's incorrect.

They were limited in their scope to blood/blood trace evidence as specified on the warrant.

[alter ego]

I have no doubt LE considers those calls as suspicious as we do, but it's the content of those calls/what was discussed which might result in charges being filed.

IMOHow would they prove the content of the calls was incriminating?

[alter ego]

Investigator believes Jason Young killed his wife

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4081439/

He concludes, "Based on my experience in law enforcement ... and my knowledge of the evidence gathered in the investigation of the death of Michelle Young, in my opinion, the allegation ... that 'Jason Young brutally murdered Michelle Young at their residence' is true."

"This document says he murdered his wife,"Paul Michaels, an attorney for Fisher said Friday

Something about 'believes', 'in my opinion' or 'allegation' that you don't understand?

[alter ego]

There was discussion earlier about Michelle's will, I found this from an article dated Nov 5, 2008:


Also unsealed Tuesday was an estate filing that includes a copy of Michelle Young's will dated July 24, 2005. It names Jason Young the beneficiary of her life insurance policy and any assets she might have.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1282877.html

[Jester]

There was discussion earlier about Michelle's will, I found this from an article dated Nov 5, 2008:


Also unsealed Tuesday was an estate filing that includes a copy of Michelle Young's will dated July 24, 2005. It names Jason Young the beneficiary of her life insurance policy and any assets she might have.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1282877.html

Nice find. I guess that clears up the fallacy in statements claiming that Cassidy was going to receive the funds regardless of whether Michelle's family was successful in their wrongful death suit.

Young was not only negligent by failing to place a headstone on Michelle's grave, but also negligent in settling her estate. Fortunately, Michelle's family intervened, using legal means, and will now ensure that the estate is settled and that Cassidy benefits from her mother's estate.

[Cardinal]

It was stated here that the lead investigator and MF were very good friends. So was he there as a friend or representing the Law?

Are you impugning Det Spivey's integrity based upon a message board rumor?

[Cardinal]

There was discussion earlier about Michelle's will, I found this from an article dated Nov 5, 2008:


Also unsealed Tuesday was an estate filing that includes a copy of Michelle Young's will dated July 24, 2005. It names Jason Young the beneficiary of her life insurance policy and any assets she might have.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1282877.html

I'm afraid Ms. Ovaska is mistaken. Michelle's will couldn't and doesn't name a beneficiary of any life insurance policies.

[alter ego]

I'm afraid Ms. Ovaska is mistaken. Michelle's will couldn't and doesn't name a beneficiary of any life insurance policies.
Could you link her will to verify that? Cuz we have an annuity LI policy that we name a beneficiary to in our will.

[Cardinal]

Could you link her will to verify that? Cuz we have an annuity LI policy that we name a beneficiary to in our will.

I could link it, but I don't feel comfortable doing so. It's a copy I obtained personally, and it hasn't been published by the media.

But I can tell you that any life insurance policy is a contract with the life insurance company. The terms of that contract allow you to name a beneficiary to receive the proceeds in the event of your death. The company will only pay the proceeds of the contract in accordance with a properly executed form on file that meets their requirements. A will doesn't meet meet their requirements.

You can transfer ownership of a policy on a life other than your own through a will, though.

[Cardinal]

The will is public record, you said you obtained a copy.
Not sure why the hesitancy to post ?

Yes, I went to the 12th floor of the Wake County courthouse and got a copy, because I wanted to know what it said, as opposed to what everyone thought it said.

But it hasn't been published by the media, and I'm just not comfortable posting a copy of it on a message board.

[Cardinal]

So what did it say ?

It's only 5 pages, and very straightforward. She provides for the payment of debts and taxes, and leaves all of her real and personal property to Jason if he survives her, if not to her children. If Jason predeceases her, she appoints Heather as guardian of the person of any minor child. She names Jason as Executor, and if for any reason he doesn't qualify* as Executor, she names Linda as successor Executor. There are Executor's powers and definitions incorporated, but basically, that's the gist of it.

* "Qualify" in this sense means "to invest with legal capacity", i.e., filing the probate papers with the court. It's not a character judgment.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/qualify

[JHP]

Yes, I went to the 12th floor of the Wake County courthouse and got a copy, because I wanted to know what it said, as opposed to what everyone thought it said.

But it hasn't been published by the media, and I'm just not comfortable posting a copy of it on a message board.


Good evening Cardinal, I just wanted to thank you for being such a fair poster. And for having a lot of CLASS!

[Cardinal]

Good evening Cardinal, I just wanted to thank you for being such a fair poster. And for having a lot of CLASS!

Thanks for understanding, JHP. It seems that Michelle's entire life has been made public, and I'm as guilty as anyone for accessing it. I just don't feel right about contributing to it. I don't mind summarizing the terms of the will - there are no surprises at this point, but I don't want to post it.

ETA: And maybe it will put some of the speculation to rest.

[Cardinal]

It will be interesting to see how the custody battle unfolds.
IMO, the Fisher's chances for custody rest totally on how much weight Judge Sasser places on Jason Young being declared the slayer and responsible for Cassidy's mom's death.

I agree. I don't doubt there will be testimony/affidavits to substantiate some of the more...um, lurid...aspects of the case, but I think that Jason having been declared a slayer under NC law is key.

[Hey Paula]

How would they prove the content of the calls was incriminating?

They can't because the phones weren't tapped at the time. That's why I don't think the calls will be incriminating towards family members. However, the number of calls JY made that day, especially if inordinate for his normal calling pattern, will likely be called into question and viewed as consciousness of guilt. My immediate thoughts were that JY was checking to see if anyone had called his family/left a message for him that Michelle's body had been discovered.

IMO

[jerry50]

Yes, Enigma, now I get it. I was thinking more on the lines of AFTER an arrest. I didn't follow the Couey case; too gruesome and unsettling. But I have tried to put myself in Mrs. Young's shoes. Not an easy task. She has a son that she raised and loved. She knows he isn't perfect, sees his flaws, yet he marries, has a child, has a job, and a new home.....life apart from her, a seemingly established life. Then life is turned upside down. The music stops. Where do you go from there? Her public personae, the wee bit that we've seen or heard, is that her son is innocent. What else is a mother to do? Short of her son confessing or her having concrete evidence, she has no other path but to support his innocence. I guess what I'm trying to convey is that I would be surprised if his mother obstructed justice in any way. She can only work with what she knows. Even if in her gut she thinks he is capable, with no proof, she can't go there.

Ach, I'm rambling. MOO Aggie


I can see where you are coming from. It would be a horrible situation to be in and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
With that said, how did you raise your kids if you have any? By your posts I would guess that it would be with integrity, morals, example and pristine character. Could you imagine your child sitting idly by while the woman who already gave him a precious daughter and was now carrying his son lay at home in puddles of her own blood while her teeth were scattered around the room? And this is the same woman who he stood next to while he recited his wedding vows to love and cherish? The "man" (and I use that term loosely) in this case has not raised any concern that the deranged perpetrator of this crime be found and brought to justice.
He is an empty shell devoid of feeling, morals, integrity and character. And unfortunately I think his mother knows exactly who he is and what he is capable of. I don't care how old a person is, you always listen to your mother and if Pat wanted him to talk to LE I think she could force him. However in this case she can't because I think she really knows he is guilty. Even so, a person with actual integrity and character and a moral compass would talk to him and if the son wouldn't go to LE the parent would. If a person has gone to church all their life they should know that the Ten Commandments are rules not suggestions. I wouldn't want to lose my soul for anyone's transgressions.

[kingbuff]

What happened to the ignore button? Do we not have one?

[kingbuff]

They can't because the phones weren't tapped at the time. That's why I don't think the calls will be incriminating towards family members. However, the number of calls JY made that day, especially if inordinate for his normal calling pattern, will likely be called into question and viewed as consciousness of guilt. My immediate thoughts were that JY was checking to see if anyone had called his family/left a message for him that Michelle's body had been discovered.

IMO

What was Jason's normal calling pattern when he was traveling through the mountains of Virginia, Tenn., NC? How many of those calls got through? Was Mrs. Young home at the time? Is it abnormal to push redial every few minutes when a call doesn't go through? Before jumping to conclusions, you and Spivey should ask more questions.

[Barbara2]

What happened to the ignore button? Do we not have one?

After all those years in education you need a button to ignore? I'm disappointed. :ohmy:

[kingbuff]

You have to go under the persons name and look in their personal profile. There you can put them on ignore.

Thanks. I tried that but don't see the button. What am I missing?

[kingbuff]

If the call doesn't "go through" it is not logged on the phone records the cops had access to.

Thanks. I don't know anything about phones. I understand people much better than machines.

[kingbuff]

After all those years in education you need a button to ignore? I'm disappointed. :ohmy:

A gadfly is hard to ignore. A stupid one even more so.

[JHP]

Gotta think that those who received those calls had to know that something was up with all those calls if they didn't know that MY was dead. Gotta wonder what they knew about the situation, that Cassie was still with the dead corpse of her mom. It appears that the "dropped plumb to his knees" was pure theatre.

Or that they would have at least been suspicious once they found out the circumstances of her death. That maybe the reason someone called them 28 times was not all that innocent.

JMO

[jerry50]

What was Jason's normal calling pattern when he was traveling through the mountains of Virginia, Tenn., NC? How many of those calls got through? Was Mrs. Young home at the time? Is it abnormal to push redial every few minutes when a call doesn't go through? Before jumping to conclusions, you and Spivey should ask more questions.


Maybe JY could answer them and save the detective a lot of work.

[Kat4Eagles]

I've thought that is why they went back and measured the tiles.



Back to those bloody footprints that were supposedly all over the house again, according to MF, huh?

Maybe she had another revelation later and rescinded that comment too, along with the one that Michelle had fallen..

Did you ever notice on the 911 call how she changes her demeanor so quickly, she even goes into obedient mode when being instructed by the 911 operator, and then goes into innocent mode, oops, "should I not move a pillow"?

Strange!!

Oh, and Jason can be named slayer or anything else, but it does not change the fact that he has not been charged, so thinking he did it must be lots and lots harder to prove, you think?
Since we are, umm, approaching the 26 month mark.!!

But, no the case is being played brillantly.
:rolleyes:


Kat

[Barbara2]

A gadfly is hard to ignore. A stupid one even more so.

See how easy it is to ignore? When you see the name, you just scroll right on by.

[alter ego]

Yes, I went to the 12th floor of the Wake County courthouse and got a copy, because I wanted to know what it said, as opposed to what everyone thought it said.

But it hasn't been published by the media, and I'm just not comfortable posting a copy of it on a message board.
It's public record and not copyrighted and the media is not obligated to publish every piece of public record at the courthouse.

So...I'm not sure why you are so uncomfortable posting it when you were only able to obtain a copy of because it is public record.. :shrug: But it's OK that you aren't going to post it. :smile:

Also, apparantly people do indeed name life ins beneficiaries in their wills because it's a FAQ on multiple atty websites. Whether the LI company accepts it or the court enforces it appears to be immaterial to some as they designate a LI beneficiary in their will.

[Jester]

I'm afraid Ms. Ovaska is mistaken. Michelle's will couldn't and doesn't name a beneficiary of any life insurance policies.

Are you saying that the estate filing, that includes a copy of Michelle's will, does not also include documents naming Young as the beneficiary of her life insurance policy?

From the link provided by Alter Ego

"Also unsealed Tuesday was an estate filing that includes a copy of Michelle Young's will dated July 24, 2005. It names Jason Young the beneficiary of her life insurance policy and any assets she might have."

[achristie]

Thanks for understanding, JHP. It seems that Michelle's entire life has been made public, and I'm as guilty as anyone for accessing it. I just don't feel right about contributing to it. I don't mind summarizing the terms of the will - there are no surprises at this point, but I don't want to post it.

ETA: And maybe it will put some of the speculation to rest.

I agree with that sentiment. As much as I want to know the details of this case, I've always been a bit uncomfortable with some of the stuff that has come out on these boards. It's amazing how many people suffer for one person's selfish deed.

MOO Aggie

[achristie]

I can see where you are coming from. It would be a horrible situation to be in and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
With that said, how did you raise your kids if you have any? By your posts I would guess that it would be with integrity, morals, example and pristine character. Could you imagine your child sitting idly by while the woman who already gave him a precious daughter and was now carrying his son lay at home in puddles of her own blood while her teeth were scattered around the room? And this is the same woman who he stood next to while he recited his wedding vows to love and cherish? The "man" (and I use that term loosely) in this case has not raised any concern that the deranged perpetrator of this crime be found and brought to justice.
He is an empty shell devoid of feeling, morals, integrity and character. And unfortunately I think his mother knows exactly who he is and what he is capable of. I don't care how old a person is, you always listen to your mother and if Pat wanted him to talk to LE I think she could force him. However in this case she can't because I think she really knows he is guilty. Even so, a person with actual integrity and character and a moral compass would talk to him and if the son wouldn't go to LE the parent would. If a person has gone to church all their life they should know that the Ten Commandments are rules not suggestions. I wouldn't want to lose my soul for anyone's transgressions.

And I get your drift, Jerry. My point is, the woman is caught between a rock and a hard place. Cassie in the mix is a HUGE problem. Plus, we don't know what has gone on behind closed doors. People have mentioned the Hacking case in the past. I may have this wrong but didn't his brother get him to confess? If JY refuses to come clean with his mother, she has no recourse other than to wait it out. And I agree, I would hate to be in her shoes.

MOO Aggie

[jerzeegirl]

Maybe she had another revelation later and rescinded that comment too, along with the one that Michelle had fallen..




Kat


when i heard mf ask C if mommy fell, i perfectly understood what she was doing and asking in a way to tip toe around a precious two year old. I sure am glad that she didnt ask C who bludgeoned mommy to a pulp or ask C where are mommys teeth or ask C why is mommy DEAD or ask C why is mommys blood all over that wall or ask C why is there a hole in mommys head or maybe you would have preferred her to ask C why will you never see your mommy again.

Certain ways to deal with very young children, i know this, i have three of them.

[BiggerRedDog]

It's only 5 pages, and very straightforward. She provides for the payment of debts and taxes, and leaves all of her real and personal property to Jason if he survives her, if not to her children. If Jason predeceases her, she appoints Heather as guardian of the person of any minor child. She names Jason as Executor, and if for any reason he doesn't qualify* as Executor, she names Linda as successor Executor. There are Executor's powers and definitions incorporated, but basically, that's the gist of it.
* "Qualify" in this sense means "to invest with legal capacity", i.e., filing the probate papers with the court. It's not a character judgment.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/qualify
Thanks, Cardinal. So Michelle appointed a guardian for any minor children if Jason predeceased her? It seems more usual, to me anyway, to appoint a guardian in the event both parents were deceased, not when there would still be one living.

Can you tell us the date the will was signed and witnessed, and also when it was probated? Thanks.

[Jester]

Thanks, Cardinal. So Michelle appointed a guardian for any minor children if Jason predeceased her? It seems more usual, to me anyway, to appoint a guardian in the event both parents were deceased, not when there would still be one living.

Can you tell us the date the will was signed and witnessed, and also when it was probated? Thanks.

I think it means that if Jason predeceased Michelle, and she is alive, no one will need to read the will. If Michelle is the only surviving parent, and she dies, then the will specifies a guardian for her daughter. Since Jason survived Michelle, same as if Michelle survived Jason, guardianship transfers to the other parent.

[BiggerRedDog]

I think it means that if Jason predeceased Michelle, and she is alive, no one will need to read the will. If Michelle is the only surviving parent, and she dies, then the will specifies a guardian for her daughter. Since Jason survived Michelle, same as if Michelle survived Jason, guardianship transfers to the other parent.That makes sense. Cardinal's summary of the will indicated something a bit different than my husband and I had. Initially we named a guardian for our minor child if we both died at the same time. My husband did die, and I then had my will reworded to reflect the new circumstances. Thanks, Jester.

[Babes]

Thank you, Lin.!!

Laci Peterson and Conner who would have been 5 too!!


Kat

Hi
conner is supposed to turn 6 - my kid is turning 6 on january - i was pregnant and about to give birth as well when i followed this case :smile:

[Cardinal]

Are you saying that the estate filing, that includes a copy of Michelle's will, does not also include documents naming Young as the beneficiary of her life insurance policy?

From the link provided by Alter Ego

"Also unsealed Tuesday was an estate filing that includes a copy of Michelle Young's will dated July 24, 2005. It names Jason Young the beneficiary of her life insurance policy and any assets she might have."

I am saying that the will itself does not name Jason the beneficiary of her life insurance policy.

[Cardinal]

Thanks, Cardinal. So Michelle appointed a guardian for any minor children if Jason predeceased her? It seems more usual, to me anyway, to appoint a guardian in the event both parents were deceased, not when there would still be one living.

Can you tell us the date the will was signed and witnessed, and also when it was probated? Thanks.

The N&O article was correct in that regard - the will was signed and witnessed on July 24, 2005. I didn't request a copy of the probate papers, so I don't know when it was probated. My guess would be shortly before the WDS was filed.

And thanks, Jester, for clarifying the guardianship provision.

[annalyzer]

when i heard mf ask C if mommy fell, i perfectly understood what she was doing and asking in a way to tip toe around a precious two year old. I sure am glad that she didnt ask C who bludgeoned mommy to a pulp or ask C where are mommys teeth or ask C why is mommy DEAD or ask C why is mommys blood all over that wall or ask C why is there a hole in mommys head or maybe you would have preferred her to ask C why will you never see your mommy again.

Certain ways to deal with very young children, i know this, i have three of them.


How about not asking the two year old anything and going over and checking on her poor sister herself? :unsure:

[alter ego]

I think it means that if Jason predeceased Michelle, and she is alive, no one will need to read the will. If Michelle is the only surviving parent, and she dies, then the will specifies a guardian for her daughter. Since Jason survived Michelle, same as if Michelle survived Jason, guardianship transfers to the other parent.
But you see, Jason is viewed as having died prior to Michelle by probate courts because he was ruled a slayer.

So, the custody battle may have to take the guardianship designation into account.

[JHP]

How about not asking the two year old anything and going over and checking on her poor sister herself? :unsure:

She was trying to figure out what had happened in the house with Michelle. Cassidy was talking to Meredith quite a bit at that time. So do you think Meredith should have ignored her?
Have you had experience with 2 year olds? I have, and I think Meredith did an outstanding job with what she was dealt with.

JMO

[alter ego]

They can't because the phones weren't tapped at the time. That's why I don't think the calls will be incriminating towards family members. However, the number of calls JY made that day, especially if inordinate for his normal calling pattern, will likely be called into question and viewed as consciousness of guilt. My immediate thoughts were that JY was checking to see if anyone had called his family/left a message for him that Michelle's body had been discovered.

IMO
But since he had not yet left a voicemail for Meredith to go to the house, who would have discovered Michelle and then called his folks instead of him?

The number of calls made to his mom is CE - just not sure what it is evidence of at this point in time.

[alter ego]

It will be interesting to see how the custody battle unfolds.
IMO, the Fisher's chances for custody rest totally on how much weight Judge Sasser places on Jason Young being declared the slayer and responsible for Cassidy's mom's death.
weight? what about the clear and convincing evidence standard set forth in Adams v. Tessener.

[annalyzer]

She was trying to figure out what had happened in the house with Michelle. JMO

Her main concern should have been to see if Michelle was dead or alive and if she could help her in any way. She already knew the child was okay. Not asking a two year old questions and keeping the 911 operator guessing as to what was going on.

[JHP]

Her main concern should have been to see if Michelle was dead or alive and if she could help her in any way. She already knew the child was okay. Not asking a two year old questions and keeping the 911 operator guessing as to what was going on.

I know you find the 911 call to be curious. But IMO Meredith was in complete shock. I'm pretty sure she could tell Michelle was beyond help. I don't think the 911 operator realized the severity of the situation, and Meredith who couldn't believe what she was seeing was having trouble communicating the graveness.

[Hey Paula]

Gotta think that those who received those calls had to know that something was up with all those calls if they didn't know that MY was dead. Gotta wonder what they knew about the situation, that Cassie was still with the dead corpse of her mom. It appears that the "dropped plumb to his knees" was pure theatre.

ITA that the amount of calls the family received from JY that day should have caused bewilderment. However, after they learned Michelle had been murdered, the inordinate amount of calls should have then stuck out like a sore thumb, and caused suspicion despite the heinousness of the crime.

IMO

[kingbuff]

ITA that the amount of calls the family received from JY that day should have caused bewilderment. However, after they learned Michelle had been murdered, the inordinate amount of calls should have then stuck out like a sore thumb, and caused suspicion despite the heinousness of the crime.

IMO

I think you are still avoiding the basic question: how many calls did the family receive? I think one. Your guess?

[jerzeegirl]

How about not asking the two year old anything and going over and checking on her poor sister herself? :unsure:

how about i believe she was doing just that while she was on the phone with 911. she stated more than once that she believed she was dead. She never stated that she was sitting in the livingroom while speaking to 911, its obvious she was sitting right next to her sister. And i would have done the same, asked the same. Then i guess i would be a suspect to some on a message board also.

[Lindsey]

The N&O article was correct in that regard - the will was signed and witnessed on July 24, 2005. I didn't request a copy of the probate papers, so I don't know when it was probated. My guess would be shortly before the WDS was filed.

And thanks, Jester, for clarifying the guardianship provision.

Thank you Cardinal. According to that, Michelle's will was drawn up a couple of months after they bought their new home on Birchleaf. That was almost a year and a half before Michelle's murder.

It helps to have facts. Thanks again.

[Hey Paula]

I think you are still avoiding the basic question: how many calls did the family receive? I think one. Your guess?

28 calls, not a guess.

EXCERPT:

Further phone calls from Oct. 4, 2006, to Nov. 3, 2006, also are of interest to investigators, the warrant says, including 28 calls to his mother, Pat Young, on the day Michelle Young was found and four calls from her mother, Linda Fisher, on the same day.

[kingbuff]

how about i believe she was doing just that while she was on the phone with 911. she stated more than once that she believed she was dead. She never stated that she was sitting in the livingroom while speaking to 911, its obvious she was sitting right next to her sister. And i would have done the same, asked the same. Then i guess i would be a suspect to some on a message board also.

No, not a suspect. If you were sitting beside Michelle, you would be guilty of child abuse.

[kingbuff]

28 calls, not a guess.

EXCERPT:

Further phone calls from Oct. 4, 2006, to Nov. 3, 2006, also are of interest to investigators, the warrant says, including 28 calls to his mother, Pat Young, on the day Michelle Young was found and four calls from her mother, Linda Fisher, on the same day.



I think you are still avoiding the basic question: how many calls did the family receive? I think one. Your guess?

[Hey Paula]

I think you are still avoiding the basic question: how many calls did the family receive? I think one. Your guess?

The number of times the family actually spoke to JY that day isn't significant. What matters is that JY placed 28 calls to his mother that day. I'd forgotten to include the link in my prior post. http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.true-crime/2008-11/msg00292.html

Also TMK, JY failed to return Linda Fisher's calls that day. Strange indeed, given the number of calls JY made and that Michelle was pregnant.

[kingbuff]

ITA that the amount of calls the family received from JY that day should have caused bewilderment. However, after they learned Michelle had been murdered, the inordinate amount of calls should have then stuck out like a sore thumb, and caused suspicion despite the heinousness of the crime.

IMO

How many calls were received? I guess one. No sore thumb, no suspicion, no bewilderment. You guess...how many?

[kingbuff]

The number of times the family actually spoke to JY that day isn't significant. What matters is that JY placed 28 calls to his mother that day. I'd forgotten to include the link in my prior post. http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.true-crime/2008-11/msg00292.html

Also TMK, JY failed to return Linda Fisher's calls that day. Strange indeed, given the number of calls JY made and that Michelle was pregnant.

He thought he knew what Fisher wanted to talk about. He wasn't interested.

[kingbuff]

But you see, Jason is viewed as having died prior to Michelle by probate courts because he was ruled a slayer.

So, the custody battle may have to take the guardianship designation into account.

A clerk of court told me a will did not have to be probated if all assets are left to one person and that person is the executor. Guess that's wrong?

[alter ego]

ITA that the amount of calls the family received from JY that day should have caused bewilderment. However, after they learned Michelle had been murdered, the inordinate amount of calls should have then stuck out like a sore thumb, and caused suspicion despite the heinousness of the crime.

IMOWhy? The SW only lists calls for that one phone. JY had more than one cell phone. What is the calling pattern on the other phone(s)?

IOW, is the amt of calls to his mom that morning really an inordinate amt of calls to cause bewilderment and suspicion by his family?

[annalyzer]

I just listened to the 911 call again. When she is supposed to be trying to turn MY over she is still talking on the phone. I would think if you were really trying to help some one you might lay the phone down and use both hands. The more I listen to this call the more bizarre it becomes.


http://www.wral.com/news/local/audio/1119462/

Oh I agree. So many things about that call are very odd. It sounded to me like she did and said everything possible to keep from seeing Michelle's face.

[annalyzer]

You are overlooking the whole point. She was on a call that may have saved her sisters life. She said she didn't know if she was dead but she sure wasn't in any hurry to try CPR. During that 5 minutes that MY may have needed CPR we hear about a dog and if mommy fell and around 6 I don't knows. Oh and most important of all I moved a pillow.


And "I'm just here on a fluke. I don't normally come here during the day". Who cares?? The question was did you see what happened. No, I just got here, or no, I just found her like this, etc. would be a normal response.

But for anyone who thinks Jason is innocent don't you think it's an awfully big coinky dink that he sent MF to the house that day of all days to retrieve a printout?

[achristie]

Oh I agree. So many things about that call are very odd. It sounded to me like she did and said everything possible to keep from seeing Michelle's face.


I don't blame her. Witnessing her sister lying in a pool of blood with her head bashed in might be a tad much for one to bear. Couple that with the horror of realizing her tiny niece was in the midst of it. She was in shock.

MOO Aggie

[annalyzer]

I know you find the 911 call to be curious. But IMO Meredith was in complete shock. I'm pretty sure she could tell Michelle was beyond help. I don't think the 911 operator realized the severity of the situation, and Meredith who couldn't believe what she was seeing was having trouble communicating the graveness.

Yes shock, completely possible. Doesn't keep me from finding the whole call very strange. Have you listened to the 911 call made by Jessie Davis' mother after finding her toddler grandson alone and her daughter missing?

I had pretty much wrote it all off to shock until those latest sw's were released. Meredith so buddy buddy with Jason that she counseled him on his relationship with her sister. The keys. The bloody footprints. And still no arrest of Jason.

[Hey Paula]

Why? The SW only lists calls for that one phone. JY had more than one cell phone. What is the calling pattern on the other phone(s)?

IOW, is the amt of calls to his mom that morning really an inordinate amt of calls to cause bewilderment and suspicion by his family?

The number of calls, and to whom they were placed, were likely isted in the returned warrants as being remarkable, considering the circumstances and the day those calls were made by JY. Also, that JY didn't return Linda Fisher's inordinate calls was remarkable, given the fact Michelle was pregnant and that JY was unable to reach his wife that day.

Yes, I think 28 calls to his mother was an extraordinary amount, which should have raised suspicion, especially after the family learned Michelle had been murdered.

IMO

[oakayfine]

How many calls were received? I guess one. No sore thumb, no suspicion, no bewilderment. You guess...how many?

And you know this ... how?? Oh, it's a guess. Is this a similar "guess" as to the nefarious "friendship" that existed between MM and JLY?
Your guesses mean absolutely nothing. My guess is about 75% of those calls were completed. My guess is that you are kicking a dead horse. Not sure why but that horse is dead and you continue to throw anything and everything out here to deflect from the slayer.
It's all good though. Whatever floats your boat. 95% of readers (not necessarily posters) know the true score here.
Time will tell; then I wonder what you will do once all is said and done; with the slayer resting not so comfortably in is prison cell; exactly where he belongs.
No regard for human life is a sad state to be in. Makes me wonder if you are of the same state of mind.

[Hey Paula]

MY's mother was calling from NY. JY's wife was in NC. Why would he think a call from his MIL would have any thing to do with his family. If he sent MF to find his wife as some believe he would be expecting a call from her or LE. Did he recieve either? If not why?

Perhaps Michelle had gone to the hospital with Meredith, and asked her mother to call JY. Since Linda Fisher didn't normally call JY, don't you think he should have been concerned about his MIL calling him 4 times? Don't you think he should have returned her call, especially since he couldn't reach Michelle and that he called his mother 28 times?

[oakayfine]

Perhaps Michelle had gone to the hospital with Meredith, and asked her mother to call JY. Since Linda Fisher didn't normally call JY, don't you think he should have been concerned about his MIL calling him 4 times? Don't you think he should have returned her call, especially since he couldn't reach Michelle and that he called his mother 28 times?

I most certainly would have wondered why MIL placed 4 calls to me. I would never have ignored them; yet still found the time to call my Mommy 28 times. Something tells me that he was avoiding the Fishers. Hmmm. Wonder why?
Those types of things found in the SW's are quite suspicious to me. Much more so than the 911 call with Meredith in shock, trying to deal with a 2 year old she found in her Mother's bed. Poor baby.

[Hey Paula]

I most certainly would have wondered why MIL placed 4 calls to me. I would never have ignored them; yet still found the time to call my Mommy 28 times. Something tells me that he was avoiding the Fishers. Hmmm. Wonder why?
Those types of things found in the SW's are quite suspicious to me. Much more so than the 911 call with Meredith in shock, trying to deal with a 2 year old she found in her Mother's bed. Poor baby.

ITA. The fact they were listed in the returned warrants is evidence that LE found them suspiciously remarkable. I have no doubt they will be presented as CE, once this case is tried.

IMO

[jerzeegirl]

ITA. The fact they were listed in the returned warrants is evidence that LE found them suspiciously remarkable. I have no doubt they will be presented as CE, once this case is tried.

IMO

I also believe LF's testimony on the stand will be remarkable, she will state what she said on Jasons voice mail and then they can show the records of how Jason checked his voice mail that day and still did not return any of her four phone calls

[oakayfine]

I also believe LF's testimony on the stand will be remarkable, she will state what she said on Jasons voice mail and then they can show the records of how Jason checked his voice mail that day and still did not return any of her four phone calls

I would venture a very strong guess that LF was beyond upset when she left those 4 messages that horrific day. She may have even blurted out that Michelle was DEAD. "If" that is the case, then her testimony would be very damning testimony.
Please note the word "if" before anyone attacking this post.
I am not saying she did, in fact, say anything of the kind, just merely speculating.

JMO

[achristie]

I also believe LF's testimony on the stand will be remarkable, she will state what she said on Jasons voice mail and then they can show the records of how Jason checked his voice mail that day and still did not return any of her four phone calls

Indeed. Meredith's testimony, too, bolstered by the crime scene photos, should remove all doubt about the 911 call.

MOO Aggie

[oakayfine]

To the hospital? You think they took poor dead MY to the hospital?

That is not how I read that post at all. I took the post to mean that for all Jason knew, Michelle was still alive but having problems with the pregnancy and Meredith had taken her to the hospital to seek help for the pregnancy problem. Meredith called LF, who in turn called the loving husband, Jason. Jason was preoccupied calling his own Mommy 28 times and ignoring the pleas for help from his in-laws.
I did not read that post to mean that Emergency Response took a bludgeoned and dead Michelle to the hospital.

[Leanne Weich]

To the hospital? You think they took poor dead MY to the hospital?

If Jason had not killed nor had any knowledge of Michelle being dead, it could well have been she went into premature labour and Meredith took her to hospital. As a result of JY having his phone glued to his ear phoning his mommy and his paramour, Maybe Meredith wouldn't have been able to get hold of him and phoned her mom and asked her to keep trying. Sorry you can't see the relevance of JY ignoring Linda's calls - it's call cognisance of guilt.

[oakayfine]

You think if MY had gone into labor MF would call her mom before she called her husband?

It makes a lot more sense than how you attempted to twist the post into Emergency Response Teams taking Michelle's dead body to the hospital.

Yes, perhaps Meredith "would" have called her Mother first to have her try to reach the loving slayer. LF would have had much more time to take care of calling JLY who may have been in meetings at the time Michelle was in labor. From all of the recent details released, Jason and Michelle were not all that deeply in love so it would make sense for Meredith to call her mother if this were the actual scenario that fateful day.

[oakayfine]

MF's testimony will be something to see in my opinion only. If this ever gets to court I think we should start a pool on how many different voices she will use. Wonder if CW will let us start a pool?

I think it's a pretty safe bet that this will be going to trial. Seems that LE is not backing off at all.
As far as your suggestion of starting a pool goes; well have fun as this is not a joke. There was a life snuffed out and Meredith was not the slayer. She was the unlucky pawn used by the slayer.

[jerry50]

MY's mother was calling from NY. JY's wife was in NC. Why would he think a call from his MIL would have any thing to do with his family. If he sent MF to find his wife as some believe he would be expecting a call from her or LE. Did he recieve either? If not why?

He could not talk to either on his way to Brevard because a normal innocent person would have turned his car around and headed back to his wife and daughter. He could not do that because he would have had to talk with LE.

[jerry50]

You think if MY had gone into labor MF would call her mom before she called her husband?

After seeing what he did (nothing) after he was told she had been murdered, then I think that if she had gone into premature labor calling her Mother would have been the right thing for her to do.

[jerry50]

What I find more suspicious MY's keys were found where MF said she put hers and hers were laying on MY's car hood. LE must also find it suspicious they put it in the PC of a warrant.

And there have been no other search warrants to indicate LE is looking at her and she has not been arrested so I don't think they consider it suspicious any longer. The newest search warrants have been aimed at Jason Young and Jason Young only. It's obvious he cannot be eliminated as a suspect.

[Hey Paula]

That is not how I read that post at all. I took the post to mean that for all Jason knew, Michelle was still alive but having problems with the pregnancy and Meredith had taken her to the hospital to seek help for the pregnancy problem. Meredith called LF, who in turn called the loving husband, Jason. Jason was preoccupied calling his own Mommy 28 times and ignoring the pleas for help from his in-laws.
I did not read that post to mean that Emergency Response took a bludgeoned and dead Michelle to the hospital.

You read my post correctly. It was exactly what I meant. Additionally, Meredith knew JY was away on business, and might very well have decided to call her mother, asking her to keep trying to reach JY.

[kingbuff]

If Jason had not killed nor had any knowledge of Michelle being dead, it could well have been she went into premature labour and Meredith took her to hospital. As a result of JY having his phone glued to his ear phoning his mommy and his paramour, Maybe Meredith wouldn't have been able to get hold of him and phoned her mom and asked her to keep trying. Sorry you can't see the relevance of JY ignoring Linda's calls - it's call cognisance of guilt.

Really? We used to call it 'avoiding the mother-in-law'.

[jerry50]

Why? The SW only lists calls for that one phone. JY had more than one cell phone. What is the calling pattern on the other phone(s)?

IOW, is the amt of calls to his mom that morning really an inordinate amt of calls to cause bewilderment and suspicion by his family?

LE listed in the search warrant how many calls were made to his mother during the previous month. None of them were even close to double digits in a single day. 28 calls the morning where your wife is at home bludgeoned to death seems a little too much of a coincidence to me. The duration of the calls will be shown at trial.

[jerzeegirl]

Really? We used to call it 'avoiding the mother-in-law'.


avoiding mother in law, how nice when your pregnant wife is home with your two year old and your wife has a history of miscarriage. You also tried calling your wifes work phone and cell phone without being able to reach her, you also sent your SIL to the house and now your MIL is calling. Four times she called and he checked his voice mail. Now thats not suspicious thats darn right acting guilty of something. No wonder they needed separate rooms at the funeral, i think i would have lunged at that piece of garbage after him "avoiding" me and finding out about several affairs. And yes, i do believe michelles family prolly found out how much he disliked his wife before they stepped foot into that funeral parlor.

[kingbuff]

And you know this ... how?? Oh, it's a guess. Is this a similar "guess" as to the nefarious "friendship" that existed between MM and JLY?
Your guesses mean absolutely nothing. My guess is about 75% of those calls were completed. My guess is that you are kicking a dead horse. Not sure why but that horse is dead and you continue to throw anything and everything out here to deflect from the slayer.
It's all good though. Whatever floats your boat. 95% of readers (not necessarily posters) know the true score here.
Time will tell; then I wonder what you will do once all is said and done; with the slayer resting not so comfortably in is prison cell; exactly where he belongs.
No regard for human life is a sad state to be in. Makes me wonder if you are of the same state of mind.

Okay, Barbara, do you see now why we need the ignore button? No one needs to read this garbage.

[Jester]

I am saying that the will itself does not name Jason the beneficiary of her life insurance policy.

The article could be incorrectly understood to claim that the will names Young as the beneficiary of the life insurance policy, but it is more likely that the estate filing names Young as the beneficiary.

In any case, I believe Alter Ego is correct, and Young was named beneficiary of the life insurance policy.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1282877.html

[Jester]

But you see, Jason is viewed as having died prior to Michelle by probate courts because he was ruled a slayer.

So, the custody battle may have to take the guardianship designation into account.

The designation of slayer, and predeceasing Michelle, is only to applicable to the estate. It is completely independent of guardianship arrangements. Young would not automatically lose custody because of the estate ruling, although the estate ruling will most likely influence the custody dispute.

I highly doubt that the judge will include Heather or, other named guardian, as a third party in the existing custody application, especially since Heather has already taken the position of not making her home available to Young and Michelle's daughter.

[Jester]

He thought he knew what Fisher wanted to talk about. He wasn't interested.

When a husband has a pregnant wife and toddler, and he unexpectedly receives four phone calls from his mother-in-law, it is his obligation to answer those calls, regardless of how childish he wants to act.

[Lindsey]

avoiding mother in law, how nice when your pregnant wife is home with your two year old and your wife has a history of miscarriage. You also tried calling your wifes work phone and cell phone without being able to reach her, you also sent your SIL to the house and now your MIL is calling. Four times she called and he checked his voice mail. Now thats not suspicious thats darn right acting guilty of something. No wonder they needed separate rooms at the funeral, i think i would have lunged at that piece of garbage after him "avoiding" me and finding out about several affairs. And yes, i do believe michelles family prolly found out how much he disliked his wife before they stepped foot into that funeral parlor.

Michelle did not have a history of miscarriage. Her second pregnancy ended with a mandatory abortion after the baby died in utero and nature didn't finish the job. She never had a spontanous miscarriage.

He called Michelle once at her office and once on her cell during what should have been the beginning of her lunch hour. No reason for alarm yet. He called MF. I would be more suspicious of him ignoring MF's calls than LF's but MF didn't call him. I wonder why she called her mother so fast ... way too fast IMO ... and didn't call Jason at all.

[Jester]

Not the 911 call again!

[oakayfine]

Really? We used to call it 'avoiding the mother-in-law'.

Avoiding your mother-in-law would include carrying on with extra-marital affairs? Amazing. I'm sure your wife would be very proud having taken those vows with you.
Oh, gee, MIL is calling me ... better call my latest conquest to avoid her.
Guess that's the Brevardian way.

[oakayfine]

Okay, Barbara, do you see now why we need the ignore button? No one needs to read this garbage.

Boo Hoo. Someone speaks the truth and you can't handle it. Scroll on by, honey. You are every parent's worst nightmare. I honestly pray every day your daughter will be treated with respect in her marriage and will not have to suffer the consequences Michelle did not deserve.

[Cardinal]

weight? what about the clear and convincing evidence standard set forth in Adams v. Tessener.

Didn't the grandparents win custody in that case?

[Cardinal]

Thank you Cardinal. According to that, Michelle's will was drawn up a couple of months after they bought their new home on Birchleaf. That was almost a year and a half before Michelle's murder.

It helps to have facts. Thanks again.

You're welcome. And I agree - facts are always preferable to subjective speculation.

[Cardinal]

How many calls were received? I guess one. No sore thumb, no suspicion, no bewilderment. You guess...how many?

I guess 20. Is this a pool like the one confused suggested?

[Cardinal]

The article could be incorrectly understood to claim that the will names Young as the beneficiary of the life insurance policy, but it is more likely that the estate filing names Young as the beneficiary.

In any case, I believe Alter Ego is correct, and Young was named beneficiary of the life insurance policy.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1282877.html

I wasn't disputing that. :)

[Cardinal]

A clerk of court told me a will did not have to be probated if all assets are left to one person and that person is the executor. Guess that's wrong?

The Clerk was referring to summary administration:

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/ByArticle/Chapter_28A/Article_28.pdf

It still, however, requires an order from the Clerk, AND it doesn't prevent anyone else from applying to be appointed personal representative.

I wonder if Jason got some bad advice?

[Cardinal]

I still am wondering what the grounds were for the COC to remove JY as executor and replace him with LF. Without that action LF would have been unable to file her WDS. Do I smell rotten apples in Wake Co? I guess your wills in Wake Co. don't mean much unless the COC,s knows you. IMOO

What information do you have that Jason was ever appointed Executor to begin with? If he never qualified, he didn't have to be removed.

Besides, had he been appointed and then removed, that would have been excellent grounds to contest the WDS. But he didn't.


ETA: I see that, in addition to impugning the integrity of the lead detective in this case, you're also impugning the integrity of the Clerk of Court in Wake County. Why is that?

[BSNBREVARDNC]

The Clerk was referring to summary administration:

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/ByArticle/Chapter_28A/Article_28.pdf

It still, however, requires an order from the Clerk, AND it doesn't prevent anyone else from applying to be appointed personal representative.

I wonder if Jason got some bad advice?

It looks like his lawyers have done a poor job of advising him from the start. He's been declared the slayer, ruined his reputation, may lose his child, and all his brilliant lawyers has been able to say is "don't talk". Gee, I would expect more for the kind of money that lawyers charge these days.

Yea, I know, I know. He hasn't been arrested.....yet. But what adult would want to be living in their teenage room in their mom's house when they are in their thirties? He could have his own home with the insurance money that he had to walk away from. Why did he have to walk away from it. Because, he can't talk. According to some, all the questions that we have about the missing clothing, phone calls, affairs, etc., etc., can all be cleared up and explained away. Well........ when is he going to do it?

I'll bet that in the end, the lawyers will win with a big pay check, LF will win with the allocation of damages from the WDS and custody of CY, and the media will win with a good story when it finally comes to an end. The only loser will be Jason. No money (or Money), no child, and no freedom. When push comes to shove his lawyers will plead him to something. After all there is no big payday for them now.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

I was reading around the net and found this. This forum needs to change its forum name to chatting about IS. Not to mention they have castrated me again. Ouch that hurts.


http://frictionpowered.hqforums.com/7-vt124.html?start=150

Again? When did this happen the first time?

[Cardinal]

It looks like his lawyers have done a poor job of advising him from the start. He's been declared the slayer, ruined his reputation, may lose his child, and all his brilliant lawyers has been able to say is "don't talk". Gee, I would expect more for the kind of money that lawyers charge these days.

~snipped~

I'm wondering if Jason got his probate advice from a neighbor rather than an attorney. With Linda named successor Executor, I can't believe that Roger Smith would have advised him not to qualify as Executor, given the dynamics among the families.

[Cardinal]

Wasn't it you that went to the 12th floor of the court house to get the will? Didn't you said MY named JY executor?

Yes, I have a copy of the will, and yes, Jason is named Executor with Linda as successor Executor. But being named in the will isn't enough:

http://www.helplinelaw.com/law/usa-north%20carolina/probate/probate.php

"If there is a will, the person named as the executor or personal representative in the will must qualify with the court in order to be officially named as executor."

Until the will is probated, the Executor named in the will has no legal standing to act as Executor, and none of the powers attached to that capacity.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

I'm wondering if Jason got his probate advice from a neighbor rather than an attorney. With Linda named successor Executor, I can't believe that Roger Smith would have advised him not to qualify as Executor, given the dynamics among the families.

It sounds like he is getting his legal advise from fortune cookies or maybe the cartoon network.

I know that lawyers have a reputation for being bloodthirsty but geez. Jason's own lawyers are letting him get gutted before the main event. Maybe it's a political thing. You know Raleigh is the capital city. Are Jason's attorneys into the political scene?

[BSNBREVARDNC]

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/wade-smith.asp?cycle=08

[Cardinal]

Isn't it aganist the rules to post other Forum's on here:confused:
Or has that changed i haven't posted in awhile.

It's okay to link to them, you just can't quote posts from them, as I understand it.

And the link should be relevant to the discussion of the case, IMO.

[oakayfine]

Again? When did this happen the first time?

Maybe the poster is "confused" again?

I am sincerely hoping that this mystery/non-mystery is solved very soon so that we can carry on with more meaningful conversations rather than the drivel that seems to filter it's way to this message board.

Instead of slamming the victim's family, conversations should be focused on proper counseling for baby C and sympathy for the victim's family.
I am truly astounded that some still come here to argue the things that they are.

The 911 call ... irrelevant at this point. The SW's recently unsealed are the points that should be discussed.

Oh well, I will probably now be "castrated again". :blink:

[Cardinal]

It sounds like he is getting his legal advise from fortune cookies or maybe the cartoon network.

I know that lawyers have a reputation for being bloodthirsty but geez. Jason's own lawyers are letting him get gutted before the main event. Maybe it's a political thing. You know Raleigh is the capital city. Are Jason's attorneys into the political scene?

I don't know anything about their political activity, but I do know the attorneys in that firm are highly respected.

Which makes we wonder how much advice Jason is actually seeking from Smith.

[oakayfine]

I don't know anything about their political activity, but I do know the attorneys in that firm are highly respected.

Which makes we wonder how much advice Jason is actually seeking from Smith.

The email that was quoted in the SW between Jason and his Sister seemed that Jason felt very confident in his counsel. According to the email exchange, there was a "flat fee" for these services.

It might be that the "flat fee" was for only the preliminary portions of his defense. I have heard that this law firm is beyond stellar as well.

On an aside note, I recently had a new will drawn up and the lawyer stated that LI is completely separate from Estates; which I do believe Cardinal has alluded the same. Wills are completely separate from LI Contracts.





JMO

[oakayfine]

On this forum a few weeks ago. No I don't remember who did it . I didn't find it particularly important . I just pointed out how far off they really were.

I'm confused now. Why would you post a link to another forum if it is not important?

I thought this was the MY forum. I do apologize for the brief interruption but still consider me ... confused.

[Cardinal]

The email that was quoted in the SW between Jason and his Sister seemed that Jason felt very confident in his counsel. According to the email exchange, there was a "flat fee" for these services.

It might be that the "flat fee" was for only the preliminary portions of his defense. I have heard that this law firm is beyond stellar as well.

On an aside note, I recently had a new will drawn up and the lawyer stated that LI is completely separate from Estates; which I do believe Cardinal has alluded the same. Wills are completely separate from LI Contracts.

JMO

I have the same thoughts. I'm wondering if there were a retainer for the initial consultation and advice, and that amount has been exhausted. Which means to obtain representation on any additional matters, more money would have to be added to the kitty.




Make sure you review all the beneficiary designations to coordinate them with your will - LI, 401(k), pension, IRA, etc.

[Cardinal]

In case you failed to notice it was another MY forum I linked. I would think all information concerning MY would be important.

It is, I agree. So what exactly was the information about Michelle that you were drawing our attention to?

[Jester]

It is, I agree. So what exactly was the information about Michelle that you were drawing our attention to?

Let it go. The comments were made to get a reaction. Sidetracking this discussion would be providing the desired reaction.

[awareness]

I was reading around the net and found this. This forum needs to change its forum name to chatting about IS. Not to mention they have castrated me again. Ouch that hurts.


http://frictionpowered.hqforums.com/7-vt124.html?start=150


JMO, but you probably knew of this site before and weren't just "reading around the net" - as if you just happened to stumble upon this site by some random fluke or google search.

"Not to mention they have castrated me again" - implies you've read and seen that site before.

:rolleyes:

[Cardinal]

Let it go. The comments were made to get a reaction. Sidetracking this discussion would be providing the desired reaction.

Moving on, I agree that it's suspicious that Jason avoided 4 calls from Linda that day. In spite of their relationship, or maybe because of their relationship, 4 calls from her in that short period of time had to be unusual.

JMO



I'll let it go. Although the desired reaction wasn't provided by anything posted on this forum, IMO.

[oakayfine]

In case you failed to notice it was another MY forum I linked. I would think all information concerning MY would be important.
Oh, I have been fully gifted with comprehension skills. I'm extremely confused as to what it is that you are trying to extrapolate from that site as far as your castration goes.
Most definitely, anything regarding MY should be linked to this board. I just don't understand your castration comment; thus my ongoing confusion with your posts.

[achristie]

Moving on, I agree that it's suspicious that Jason avoided 4 calls from Linda that day. In spite of their relationship, or maybe because of their relationship, 4 calls from her in that short period of time had to be unusual.

JMO



I'll let it go. Although the desired reaction wasn't provided by anything posted on this forum, IMO.

I find the MIL comments quite offensive in light of the seriousness of this case. A "real man" is not afraid to respond to his MIL. And the 28 calls to his own mother I find quite unusual, as did LE. Analagous to the numerous calls on a given day from Casey Anthony to her parents. And we all know where Miss Casey is today.

MOO Aggie

[oakayfine]

Moving on, I agree that it's suspicious that Jason avoided 4 calls from Linda that day. In spite of their relationship, or maybe because of their relationship, 4 calls from her in that short period of time had to be unusual.

JMO



I'll let it go. Although the desired reaction wasn't provided by anything posted on this forum, IMO.

That aversion to LF's calls that particular day seem very suspicious to me. Much more so than any of the 911 call suspicions.

I don't care how much you may not get along with another family member, if one were to call me 4 times in that time frame; I would most certainly know that something was amiss. I would make sure I would call them back despite any of the past feelings.

The only plausible reason for not returning that call, or avoiding it would be that I knew something bad had happened and I really did not want to "face the music". I would not have been prepared for those questions. Avoid, ignore and carry on to Brevard where I could get that support I so badly would need.

[Cardinal]

I find the MIL comments quite offensive in light of the seriousness of this case. A "real man" is not afraid to respond to his MIL. And the 28 calls to his own mother I find quite unusual, as did LE. Analagous to the numerous calls on a given day from Casey Anthony to her parents. And we all know where Miss Casey is today.

MOO Aggie

Hi, Aggie. :)

I've had 2 MILs myself, both of whom could get on my nerves at any given time. Regardless, because neither of them was in the habit of calling me to chat (as I suspect was the case with Jason and Linda), I can't imagine ignoring 4 calls from either of them. Especially in that short period of time. And especially given what Linda's tone must have been.

I would immediately be afraid something terrible had happened. If not to my husband, then to someone else in the family. And I would have returned her call.

That, coupled with the 28 calls to his mother, gives me some serious questions.

JMO

[achristie]

That aversion to LF's calls that particular day seem very suspicious to me. Much more so than any of the 911 call suspicions.

I don't care how much you may not get along with another family member, if one were to call me 4 times in that time frame; I would most certainly know that something was amiss. I would make sure I would call them back despite any of the past feelings.

The only plausible reason for not returning that call, or avoiding it would be that I knew something bad had happened and I really did not want to "face the music". I would not have been prepared for those questions. Avoid, ignore and carry on to Brevard where I could get that support I so badly would need.

I agree. He knew something was amiss, and he knew what it was. Any sane person with an iota of sense would come to that conclusion. I'm just concerned that an arrest has not been made. Selfishly, I want this resolved. The flip side is that that sweet little girl will suffer yet another loss. With her in mind, perhaps the longer this goes on, the better?

MOO Aggie

[kingbuff]

I can see ignoring the calls if there were an issue between the Youngs and Fisher that Jason didn't want to discuss any more.

[Cardinal]

I can see ignoring the calls if there were an issue between the Youngs and Fisher that Jason didn't want to discuss any more.

I could perhaps see it too, if Jason had subsequently called Michelle to tell her that her mother was calling him. But he didn't, did he? He called his lover instead.

Besides, I doubt Linda's tone of voice sounded as though the call were about some "issue".

JMO

[kingbuff]

I find the MIL comments quite offensive in light of the seriousness of this case. A "real man" is not afraid to respond to his MIL. And the 28 calls to his own mother I find quite unusual, as did LE. Analagous to the numerous calls on a given day from Casey Anthony to her parents. And we all know where Miss Casey is today.

MOO Aggie

A 'real man' needn't toady to anyone, not even his mother-in-law. If an issue is settled in his mind, why keep talking about it? That's what women do.

[oakayfine]

I can see ignoring the calls if there were an issue between the Youngs and Fisher that Jason didn't want to discuss any more.

Do you know of some issue which might have warranted ignoring 4 calls within that small time frame with a pregnant wife?
It wasn't like Michelle and Jason needed to opt out of a holiday plan. Even if it were that, he could have called Michelle and told her to deal with it ... it's her mother, after all.
Keep trying though. That one just isn't cutting it.
Surely you will be able to come up with something someone might buy into.

Are you implying that possibly they had a fight and Michelle's Mother was enlisting Jason's help to resolve the issue? Nah, they would have turned to Meredith if that were the case.

Please elaborate, if you can.

[kingbuff]

I could perhaps see it too, if Jason had subsequently called Michelle to tell her that her mother was calling him. But he didn't, did he? He called his lover instead.

Besides, I doubt Linda's tone of voice sounded as though the call were about some "issue".

JMO

You think her 'tone of voice' is usually soft-spoken, quiet, gentle? And then she was unusally loud, abrasive, urgent? Do you know the woman?

You think it's a good idea to call a man and tell him his wife has been beaten to death? She knew Jason would be with his parents soon. Such horrible news should be delivered in person, not from a phone. What was this woman thinking? Thank God Jason didn't answer the woman. Just my Opinion, of course.

[enigma™]

You think her 'tone of voice' is usually soft-spoken, quiet, gentle? And then she was unusally loud, abrasive, urgent? Do you know the woman?

You think it's a good idea to call a man and tell him his wife has been beaten to death? She knew Jason would be with his parents soon. Such horrible news should be delivered in person, not from a phone. What was this woman thinking? Thank God Jason didn't answer the woman. Just my Opinion, of course.


Are you intimating that you know the content of Linda's calls to Jason Lynn Young? The one and only proclaimed "slayer" of Michelle Fisher Young. Do tell us more. How is it that Linda knew Jason's itinerary? He didn't answer because he knew what she was going to tell him. I'm sure she was quite distraught at the time. MUO

[oakayfine]

I guess you don't know what the word means. They are insisting I am a woman.
Now I'm done with this line of conversation.

Again, I totally understand castration. I honestly could give a rats butt if you are a man or a woman. What does any of this have to do with MY? Why did you link the site to this board and claim you have been castrated?

Enough said, I do agree. I suggest you delete your original post as it has absolutely nothing to do with MY and THAT, my dear, is my point.

Thank You in Advance.

[kingbuff]

Are you intimating that you know the content of Linda's calls to Jason Lynn Young? The one and only proclaimed "slayer" of Michelle Fisher Young. Do tell us more. How is it that Linda knew Jason's itinerary? He didn't answer because he knew what she was going to tell him. I'm sure she was quite distraught at the time. MUO

Meredith told her his itinerary, of course. I know nothing about the content. Some here seem to know her tone of voice and what her message was. I don't. Intimate somewhere else with other posts.

[kingbuff]

I couldn't agree more. Now I'm back to the question of why LE didn't call him? They questioned all his friends in the hours before he arrived back in Raleigh but failed to contact JY. Isn't LE supposed to notify next of kin?

I think LE showed better sense and sensibility. They knew he would soon be with his parents and they would tell him.

[oakayfine]

You think her 'tone of voice' is usually soft-spoken, quiet, gentle? And then she was unusally loud, abrasive, urgent? Do you know the woman?

You think it's a good idea to call a man and tell him his wife has been beaten to death? She knew Jason would be with his parents soon. Such horrible news should be delivered in person, not from a phone. What was this woman thinking? Thank God Jason didn't answer the woman. Just my Opinion, of course.

Have you spoken to Linda to know what her usual tone of voice was? Do you know her?
Given the time line of the calls, I think she had every reason in the world to try and contact him. Too bad he was preoccupied with his other woman ... the other woman not being his mother, but rather his new found quest.
Linda had just as much right to contact Jason as did his mother. If the Youngs were so concerned, why didn't THEY contact Linda to let her know their son was okay and wish Linda the best? Why didn't they help console Linda?
Nope, Jason was worried about covering his tracks and having Mommie help him out.
No matter what he does going forwaed; the past will always be there for him to reconcile. Frankly, I think he cannot do that and will be seeing his new home within the next year ... as far as I'm concerned, it's about 3 years too long that he has been afforded a freedom he does not deserve.

[achristie]

I can see ignoring the calls if there were an issue between the Youngs and Fisher that Jason didn't want to discuss any more.

Do you mean Michelle? Was she the issue between the Youngs and the Fishers ? I can understand why he wasn't in a hurry to discuss that. She was dead and gone - a nonissue- so to speak, and he knew it. But I know you don't mean that. What solid man would not have the gumption to speak with his MIL? Was his MIL more man than him? Just wondering......

MOO Aggie

[achristie]

A 'real man' needn't toady to anyone, not even his mother-in-law. If an issue is settled in his mind, why keep talking about it? That's what women do.

Well this is where we diverge; our definition of real men. Real men are smart and powerful, confident and forthright. They never hide. They are also kind, sweet, forgiving and understanding . Because of their strength, wisdom and security they would never refuse a woman; not their wives, mothers , or sisters. Real men are secure with who they are and never threatened. And they respect and value the strength and wisdom of women. Surely as a real man, this comes as no surprise to you.

MOO Aggie

[Jester]

Moving on, I agree that it's suspicious that Jason avoided 4 calls from Linda that day. In spite of their relationship, or maybe because of their relationship, 4 calls from her in that short period of time had to be unusual.

JMO

I'll let it go. Although the desired reaction wasn't provided by anything posted on this forum, IMO.

Claiming Young wasn't interested in talking to Linda is probably the most immature response I've read amidst all of Young's lack of cooperation. Is he an imbecile that cannot understand four frantic phone calls from the mother of a pregnant woman may mean there's an emergency? Is he so spoiled he can sit back saying he doesn't feel like responding to his wife's mother and doesn't care what she has to say?

One thing is certain, Young has very bad manners.

[Jester]

I can see ignoring the calls if there were an issue between the Youngs and Fisher that Jason didn't want to discuss any more.

Such as???

[Jester]

A 'real man' needn't toady to anyone, not even his mother-in-law. If an issue is settled in his mind, why keep talking about it? That's what women do.

What are you talking about? Are you suggesting that Linda and Young spoke frequently shortly before the murder about some issue, Young decided that the matter had been settled, and he decided that he was going to ignore her?

[Jester]

You think her 'tone of voice' is usually soft-spoken, quiet, gentle? And then she was unusally loud, abrasive, urgent? Do you know the woman?

You think it's a good idea to call a man and tell him his wife has been beaten to death? She knew Jason would be with his parents soon. Such horrible news should be delivered in person, not from a phone. What was this woman thinking? Thank God Jason didn't answer the woman. Just my Opinion, of course.

If Young had received the news sooner, he could have turned around and been home to care for Cassidy and cooperate with the investigation so much sooner? What was the advantage of him continuing on his detour?

[enigma™]

Meredith told her his itinerary, of course. I know nothing about the content. Some here seem to know her tone of voice and what her message was. I don't. Intimate somewhere else with other posts.

This is not logical. You intimated you knew what Linda said and that was the reason Jason Lynn Young, "proclaimed slayer" did not answer or return her calls. Now you want everyone to believe .. what, exactly? That Jason never listened to the calls? Your thought process has diminished quite a bit if you believe people on this board do not think Jason listened to, and then ignored Linda's messages due to content. He knew what she was calling him about, he chose not to face the music until he met with his momma and got himself a lawyer.

[kingbuff]

What are you talking about? Are you suggesting that Linda and Young spoke frequently shortly before the murder about some issue, Young decided that the matter had been settled, and he decided that he was going to ignore her?

Unless you, I am only guessing about the calls. You think--no, you absolutely know why the calls were not answered. I don't. I suggest other possibilities. In your certitude, you refuse to consider other possibilities. That says more about you than about the case.

[kingbuff]

If Young had received the news sooner, he could have turned around and been home to care for Cassidy and cooperate with the investigation so much sooner? What was the advantage of him continuing on his detour?

What are you talking about? 'Advantage'? You think this was a game? Cassie was alone? Cooperate sooner?

[kingbuff]

This is not logical. You intimated you knew what Linda said and that was the reason Jason Lynn Young, "proclaimed slayer" did not answer or return her calls. Now you want everyone to believe .. what, exactly? That Jason never listened to the calls? Your thought process has diminished quite a bit if you believe people on this board do not think Jason listened to, and then ignored Linda's messages due to content. He knew what she was calling him about, he chose not to face the music until he met with his momma and got himself a lawyer.

You won't even admit there are other possibilities? Why even try to discuss anything with you?

[Jester]

Unless you, I am only guessing about the calls. You think--no, you absolutely know why the calls were not answered. I don't. I suggest other possibilities. In your certitude, you refuse to consider other possibilities. That says more about you than about the case.

I would not dismiss a reasonable explanation for Young ignoring his mother in law's frantic phone calls. That he "wasn't interested", without a subject, is not a reasonable explanation. To imply that there was an ongoing issue, that Young had determined was a closed matter, is not reasonable.

Suggesting possibilities is fine, but presenting them a facts doesn't exactly contribute much. There weren't any ongoing issues between Young and Linda, were there. It's true that Young wasn't interested in talking to Linda, but only because he is immature, has bad manners, wasn't ready to do his "plumb to his knees act", and thought it would be more fun to flirt with his girlfriend.

[Barbara2]

I would not dismiss a reasonable explanation for Young ignoring his mother in law's frantic phone calls. That he "wasn't interested", without a subject, is not a reasonable explanation. To imply that there was an ongoing issue, that Young had determined was a closed matter, is not reasonable.

Suggesting possibilities is fine, but presenting them a facts doesn't exactly contribute much. There weren't any ongoing issues between Young and Linda, were there. It's true that Young wasn't interested in talking to Linda, but only because he is immature, has bad manners, wasn't ready to do his "plumb to his knees act", and thought it would be more fun to flirt with his girlfriend.

He didn't love and respect his wife. I'm not surprised that he was disrespectful towards his wife's mother. IMO

[Jester]

What are you talking about? 'Advantage'? You think this was a game? Cassie was alone? Cooperate sooner?

You claim that it was better that Young not learn about the murder from Linda since he was on his way to visit his mother. How is that better, or an advantage?

Had Young learned about the murder sooner, he could have turned around and gone home. He could have taken Cassidy for medical attention. He could have cooperated with the investigation without the interference of his stepfather advising him to get a lawyer. He may even have been able to answer questions and clear himself of suspicion.

[kingbuff]

You claim that it was better that Young not learn about the murder from Linda since he was on his way to visit his mother. How is that better, or an advantage?

Had Young learned about the murder sooner, he could have turned around and gone home. He could have taken Cassidy for medical attention. He could have cooperated with the investigation without the interference of his stepfather advising him to get a lawyer. He may even have been able to answer questions and clear himself of suspicion.

You think everyone will react so coldly to such shocking news? He--and others on the roads--would not have been safe if he had tried to drive back to Raleigh.

[kingbuff]

I would not dismiss a reasonable explanation for Young ignoring his mother in law's frantic phone calls. That he "wasn't interested", without a subject, is not a reasonable explanation. To imply that there was an ongoing issue, that Young had determined was a closed matter, is not reasonable.

Suggesting possibilities is fine, but presenting them a facts doesn't exactly contribute much. There weren't any ongoing issues between Young and Linda, were there. It's true that Young wasn't interested in talking to Linda, but only because he is immature, has bad manners, wasn't ready to do his "plumb to his knees act", and thought it would be more fun to flirt with his girlfriend.

I have only possibilities. I try to think outside the 'he is guilty' or 'he is innocent' box. You can do it, as you did in your post to explain why he didn't answer the calls:
-----immature
-----bad manners
-----girlfriend

Even if you don't believe in those possibilities, you are able to think them. Others cannot.

[Jester]

You think everyone will react so coldly to such shocking news? He--and others on the roads--would not have been safe if he had tried to drive back to Raleigh.

I was unaware of Young having any sort of emotional connection to the murder. He seems disinterested in cooperating with the investigation or seeing the crime solved. Even his emails to his sister are cold and calculating, rather than filled with tenderness and an expression of loss. After placing his wife in the ground, he appears to have simply walked away. He quit his job, liquidated his assets, and left town, not even returning to place a headstone on his wife's grave.

If there has been any sadness, sense of loss, or demonstration of tenderness towards his wife's memory that is typically demonstrated by those who have lost a loved one, I have missed it.

[Jester]

I have only possibilities. I try to think outside the 'he is guilty' or 'he is innocent' box. You can do it, as you did in your post to explain why he didn't answer the calls:
-----immature
-----bad manners
-----girlfriend

Even if you don't believe in those possibilities, you are able to think them. Others cannot.

Yep, I can think of reasons why Young ignored his mother-in-law's phone calls. It's a real shame because, if he is innocent, he should have spoken up, cleared his name, and allowed the police to focus on the correct suspect.

[Kat4Eagles]

I just listened to the 911 call again. When she is supposed to be trying to turn MY over she is still talking on the phone. I would think if you were really trying to help some one you might lay the phone down and use both hands. The more I listen to this call the more bizarre it becomes.


http://www.wral.com/news/local/audio/1119462/


Exactly!!

Where are her tears, this is her dead sister !!

I would be crying my eyes out to find someone I loved, dead, in a crumbled twisted heap in a bloody mess with teeth flown all over the room.

That is all I want to know, where are the tears for her sister, and why does she not seem like this is the first time she experienced such trauma and feels she has to deal with it a certain way.

C has already saw the damages to her Mom, and was asking for a washcloth to get cleaned up, but no one seems to get the fact, that C was clean already, so why did she need MF to clean her up?


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Her sister was cold and stiff, probably obvious CPR wouldn't have helped her. She also did not say she didn't know if her sister was dead, she said "I think my sister is dead." Meredith was obviously and understandably in shock, any answers she gave should be taken in that regard. Meredith Fisher is not a suspect, the LEAD detective in this case has stated his opinion is Jason Young killed Michelle, not Meredith or Linda or anyone else, Jason.


But he can't prove it.

Why do you think that is, Vanessa?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

ITA. The fact they were listed in the returned warrants is evidence that LE found them suspiciously remarkable. I have no doubt they will be presented as CE, once this case is tried.

IMO

When exactly wil that be?

Even in what year would be helpful.

Thanxxx.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

ITA. The fact they were listed in the returned warrants is evidence that LE found them suspiciously remarkable. I have no doubt they will be presented as CE, once this case is tried.

IMO


Gosh, the keys being accidentally misplaced or switched were mentioned in the search warrants too, wonder why that was?

L E does not need to explain information in a s/w to the public, that wasn't the time or place for it!!

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

DEATH SENTENCING BECOMING A RARITY in North Carolina

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4212176/

Kat

[Doorbell]

Well this is where we diverge; our definition of real men. Real men are smart and powerful, confident and forthright. They never hide. They are also kind, sweet, forgiving and understanding . Because of their strength, wisdom and security they would never refuse a woman; not their wives, mothers , or sisters. Real men are secure with who they are and never threatened. And they respect and value the strength and wisdom of women. Surely as a real man, this comes as no surprise to you.

MOO Aggie

:loveeyes::thumbup::thumbsup:

[alter ego]

You claim that it was better that Young not learn about the murder from Linda since he was on his way to visit his mother. How is that better, or an advantage?

Had Young learned about the murder sooner, he could have turned around and gone home. He could have taken Cassidy for medical attention. He could have cooperated with the investigation without the interference of his stepfather advising him to get a lawyer. He may even have been able to answer questions and clear himself of suspicion."interference of his stepfather advising him to get a lawyer"

Advice to seek counsel has never been and will never be 'interference'.

At least not in the USA.

[alter ego]

But he can't prove it.

Why do you think that is, Vanessa?

Kat
And the lead detective's opinion doesn't appear to carry much weight with the DA or the ADA who, thankfully, follow the law and demand proof, not opinions.

[jerry50]

Michelle did not have a history of miscarriage. Her second pregnancy ended with a mandatory abortion after the baby died in utero and nature didn't finish the job. She never had a spontanous miscarriage.

He called Michelle once at her office and once on her cell during what should have been the beginning of her lunch hour. No reason for alarm yet. He called MF. I would be more suspicious of him ignoring MF's calls than LF's but MF didn't call him. I wonder why she called her mother so fast ... way too fast IMO ... and didn't call Jason at all.

Maybe because she heard Cassidy say "Daddy did it."

[alter ego]

I was unaware of Young having any sort of emotional connection to the murder. He seems disinterested in cooperating with the investigation or seeing the crime solved. Even his emails to his sister are cold and calculating, rather than filled with tenderness and an expression of loss. After placing his wife in the ground, he appears to have simply walked away. He quit his job, liquidated his assets, and left town, not even returning to place a headstone on his wife's grave.

If there has been any sadness, sense of loss, or demonstration of tenderness towards his wife's memory that is typically demonstrated by those who have lost a loved one, I have missed it.
Do you think Roger Smith is the sole defense atty in the country that advises his client to remain silent?

Have the entire email exchanges between him and his sister been included in the PC of a SW, or just the snippets that cast him in the worst possible light?

Let me get this straight...you have had 7x24 access to Jason Young to know what emotions he has displayed?

[alter ego]

I think he can and has proven it, Judge Stephens based his decision of naming Jason the murderer of Michelle Young largely on Det. Spiveys' investigative findings and his opinion.The same investigative findings and opinion that hasn't swayed the DA to seek an indictment.

[Jester]

Do you think Roger Smith is the sole defense atty in the country that advises his client to remain silent?

Have the entire email exchanges between him and his sister been included in the PC of a SW, or just the snippets that cast him in the worst possible light?

Let me get this straight...you have had 7x24 access to Jason Young to know what emotions he has displayed?

Do I detect a note of hostility amongst those with a mutual goal of seeking justice for Michelle? I guess that earnest desire for justice, like a murderer's grief, can be expressed in so many different ways.

[alter ego]

snipped*



Yep, I know her tone of voice is soft spoken and quiet, I have heard her interviewed in television clips, that is exactly how she sounded.
Although, I highly doubt the day Michelle was found that she was sounding anywhere near that description. Especially when her dear son in law was busy ignoring all her phone calls, busy on the phone with Michelles' so called best friend that is. If Jason was innocent, why would he have been ignoring Linda Fishers calls ? Some say they had a strained relationship, if thats the case then four calls from his MIL would seem very out of the ordinairy I would assume he would be surprised she would call him and for that reason he should have known something was wrong and picked up the phone. IF he were innocent that is, then he would have answered.
So all it would take for you to determine that Jason is innocent would have been for him to return his MIL's phone calls?

Now if it had been Meredith calling him, I would agree that it would be suspicious for him not to return her call. But his MIL in NY calling and not getting a return call? Pfffffffffffft

[alter ego]

Judging someones behavior on an emergency call to report a serious if not fatal injury of a loved one is a bit much in my book, who are we to judge that womans call ? In some cases the caller has been the perp (michael peterson, raven abaroa etc) and the call was suspicious because the caller was already acting iffy and had aroused suspicion. Not the case here, IMO and I find picking apart every syllable of Meredith Fisher not only a waste of time and bandwidth, but very offensive as well.
Really? How was MP and RA acting iffy and arousing suspicion before they made 911 calls?

Feel free to scroll on by conversations you find a waste of time and bandwidth and offensive.

[alter ego]

Do I detect a note of hostility amongst those with a mutual goal of seeking justice for Michelle? I guess that earnest desire for justice, like a murderer's grief, can be expressed in so many different ways.
I have no idea what you detect.

I don't know of anyone on this board that doesn't want justice for Michelle. Hostility directed at strangers is not an expression of an 'earnest desire for justice', it's just an expression of hate.

[Leanne Weich]

You think everyone will react so coldly to such shocking news? He--and others on the roads--would not have been safe if he had tried to drive back to Raleigh.

I'm pretty sure the only one's not safe around Jason at the time were already taken care of by Jason. He has not once in the presence of any reporting authority, visibly or orally, given any indication that he cared or was upset at what happened to his wife and unborn son.

[kingbuff]

Lights, camera, action! In the Age of Media, if it doesn't happen in front of a camera, it didn't happen. How cynical we have become! Our gene pool is indubitably shallow. The superficial is king.

[Kat4Eagles]

I think he can and has proven it, Judge Stephens based his decision of naming Jason the murderer of Michelle Young largely on Det. Spiveys' investigative findings and his opinion.

So, Jason has been arrested and charged with the murder of Michelle Young?

Kat

[Leanne Weich]

Lights, camera, action! In the Age of Media, if it doesn't happen in front of a camera, it didn't happen. How cynical we have become! Our gene pool is indubitably shallow. The superficial is king.

Not at all. I've never followed a case of a murder where an innocent and/or loving family member never said one word or appeared even slightly upset at the loss of such a person. Talking about "superficial is king" no, Jason is the king of superficial, imo.

[kingbuff]

Not at all. I've never followed a case of a murder where an innocent and/or loving family member never said one word or appeared even slightly upset at the loss of such a person. Talking about "superficial is king" no, Jason is the king of superficial, imo.

So where would you expect to see this slightly upset word?

[Kat4Eagles]

I've been away for such a long time that I had to re-register! I see that absolutely nothing has changed here, well, with the exception of Ms. Fisher filing for custody and the wrongful death suit which names Jason the slayer of Michelle. Otherwise, I see the abuse of Michelle's family continues regardless of the fact that there is no evidence to support the claims made on this board.


There is also no evidence to support claims or charges in a criminal court that Jason murdered Michelle, are there?

Still waiting for that big break, I guess.
It is only approaching 26 months later.
:rolleyes:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

So where would you expect to see this slightly upset word?


Hi KB.....

We have heard that Jason cried uncontrollably when told of the news of Michelle'e murder.

That is what most people do when the lose a loved one, they cry...
maybe even more so after they find the body of a loved one in such a brutal and horrific conditon.

And, we also heard that Jason did go and visit Michelle's grave, but that is a fact you won't read here much either.

:shrug:
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Okay, look at it like this if you will, Meredith arrives at Michelle's house. She goes upstairs and into the master bedroom, there she sees Michelle in a pool of blood on the floor. SHOCK !!! She (I would imagine) freezes and probably lets out a loud cry/gasp, she makes herself snap out of it enough to find a phone and make that call. I would think her heart would be pounding so hard she could hear it, meanwhile Cassidy has a million questions and comments for her. Confusion... Trying to appear normal to Cassidy...She finally connects with the 911 operator...Relief...then... Brain Freeze as she tries to find words... and the rest we know.
I think the tears came sometime after she hung up from that call, and therefore we don't hear them. Judging someones behavior on an emergency call to report a serious if not fatal injury of a loved one is a bit much in my book, who are we to judge that womans call ? In some cases the caller has been the perp (michael peterson, raven abaroa etc) and the call was suspicious because the caller was already acting iffy and had aroused suspicion. Not the case here, IMO and I find picking apart every syllable of Meredith Fisher not only a waste of time and bandwidth, but very offensive as well.


Sorry, but the call is off the charts for me.
It included things that were not necessary and yet failed to mention or recognize the things that were extremely important.

Kinda like the car keys, why go to all the trouble to explain who they belonged to and why they were out of place?

Who would even question that under the circumstances?

Kat

[kingbuff]

Hi KB.....

We have heard that Jason cried uncontrollably when told of the news of Michelle'e murder.

That is what most people do when the lose a loved one, they cry...
maybe even more so after they find the body of a loved one in such a brutal and horrific conditon.

And, we also heard that Jason did go and visit Michelle's grave, but that is a fact you won't read here much either.

:shrug:
Kat

In the world of posters, if it didn't happen in front of the cameras, it didn't happen.

[5swab5]

Lights, camera, action! In the Age of Media, if it doesn't happen in front of a camera, it didn't happen. How cynical we have become! Our gene pool is indubitably shallow. The superficial is king.

With or without cameras, makes no difference. The innumerable ways that Jason disrespected Michelle and Rylan, in both life and death are there for all the world to see. Jason's crass indifference to their plights, as both a husband and a father has no equal in my opinion.

What a class one cad.

MOO

[WhiteShark]

A house is just a house. It's her dad that makes it home.

methinks "kingbuff" should have named himself "kingbluff"-------there is a reason other than "playing devil's advocate" for the thought processes posted here.........IMOOC:cursing:

[Hey Paula]

So, Jason has been arrested and charged with the murder of Michelle Young?

Kat

Jason will be arrested and charged in due time. In the words of Woodrow Wilson: "Never murder a man who is about to commit suicide"

[WhiteShark]

Hi KB.....

We have heard that Jason cried uncontrollably when told of the news of Michelle'e murder.

That is what most people do when the lose a loved one, they cry...
maybe even more so after they find the body of a loved one in such a brutal and horrific conditon.

And, we also heard that Jason did go and visit Michelle's grave, but that is a fact you won't read here much either.

:shrug:
Kat


OR they fake it..........because they think that is what people want to see......a'la casey a.

[Doorbell]

Lights, camera, action! In the Age of Media, if it doesn't happen in front of a camera, it didn't happen. How cynical we have become! Our gene pool is indubitably shallow. The superficial is king.

Or the "king" is superficial.

[Kat4Eagles]

Jason will be arrested and charged in due time


<snipped>

In other words, there is not enough evidence in those mountains of circumstantial evidence that has been collected and processed..

Thanxx for the confirmation.
:)
Kat

[Hey Paula]

Yes he will and I am content to wait until LE is ready.

JY is doing a fine job of building a great case for the DA to prosecute successfully. I think the DA is wise to allow JY to continue gathering additional, powerful CE. JY will convict himself.

IMO

[alter ego]

You have twisted my words completely. I said, an innocent man would have thought it odd that his MIL was calling him, and answered the phone after four calls from her. We have heard they don't get along and it was stated in the search warrant that it was not the norm for Linda Fisher to call Jason Young. Since she called him not once but FOUR times and left a voice message (undoubtedly she must have sounded upset, like something was very wrong) he had to KNOW something was wrong (he sure did know, thats why he ignored her call) So, if your MIL who never calls you is now calling you four times in a short amount of time, you would KNOW something must be up, and if not then her voice mail I am sure made that very obvious.
How you got the idea you posted from what I wrote is beyond me, and frankly sounds and smells like BAIT.Pardon me, I was unaware that you were the foremost authority on what an innocent person would do or had the ability to read mind and know what others are thinking or what they know.

Bait? Please. :rolleyes: You said 'if he was innocent he would have picked up the phone' [paraphrased]

There have been numerous high profile cases where the person who was ultimately found guilty of murder did all the things some proclaim in this case would be done if a person was innocent. So according to the 'if he was innocent he would/wouldn't do.....' crowd, there are innocent people in jail.

Jason not answering Linda's call or returning her call is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Why didn't Meredith call him? Why didn't LE call him? Why was Linda calling him about Michelle's death? That isn't protocol.

[alter ego]

JY is doing a fine job of building a great case for the DA to prosecute successfully. I think the DA is wise to allow JY to continue gathering additional, powerful CE. JY will convict himself.

IMO
How is he going to convict himself Paula?

[alter ego]

Hard to figure why some posters express extreme hatred toward a murder victim's loving family. :confused:Even harder to figure why some posters express extreme hatred toward other posters or Jason and his family. And like it or not, Jason and his family are also Michelle and Cassidy's family.

[alter ego]

Now would be a great time for a statement from Jason, through his attorney of course as he remains mute. Never once has he stated he did not kill Michelle.Why deny something he has not been accused of doing?

Never once has Meredith stated she did not kill Michelle.

[alter ego]

I have no idea where you get that I am a mind reader or any type of authority, but judging from most of your postings, that would be my assessment of what you consider yourself to be. Always right, and always on the defensive, huh ? Anyway, I really don't come here to be used as anyones venting outlet so I will not be responding to any more of your baiting posts. Have a nice day.Thank the maker as I was growing weary of your endless baiting.

Have a great life

:seeya:

[Hey Paula]

How is he going to convict himself Paula?

Hi AE!

By behaving abnormally, e.g., not attempting to collect the proceeds from Michelle's LIP, not responding to the WDS, not contacting LE for case updates, etc. I wonder if/how JY will respond to the custody suit?

[alter ego]

Hi AE!

By behaving abnormally, e.g., not attempting to collect the proceeds from Michelle's LIP, not responding to the WDS, not contacting LE for case updates, etc. I wonder if/how JY will respond to the custody suit?
Hi Paula!

Anything done under advice of counsel is not 'abnormal behavior'.

And the DA's office said the WDS ruling would have no impact on the criminal case.

I would think his atty would claim Wake County didn't have personal jurisdiction over the matter because the statute states the filing must be made in the county where the child resides or is known to be living.

[alter ego]

I never saw Meredith publicly accused of murdering Michelle. Sure, two or three posters here have accused her, and that doesn't mean much. Jason hasn't filed a WDS suit against her, right?Another person accusing someone of murder in a tort filing is quite different from the State filing charges. I was referring to the State making accusations, but yes, you are correct - Jason's atty did not respond to the WDS, not even to deny the charges.

On one hand, I understand the reasoning behind the non response. On the other, I am completely baffled by it.

[Jester]

Hi KB.....

We have heard that Jason cried uncontrollably when told of the news of Michelle'e murder.

That is what most people do when the lose a loved one, they cry...
maybe even more so after they find the body of a loved one in such a brutal and horrific conditon.

And, we also heard that Jason did go and visit Michelle's grave, but that is a fact you won't read here much either.

:shrug:
Kat

Young visited his wife's grave? Are you kidding? You're going to need a link for that one!

Did you also hear whether Young liked the headstone that Linda selected?

[alter ego]

So true!

I swear if there were videotape of Jason murdering Michelle, some of the posters here would still try to blame Meredith!

and if there was video of Meredith murdering Michelle, some posters here would still try to blame Jason.

:tonguewag:

[alter ego]

Young visited his wife's grave? Are you kidding? You're going to need a link for that one!

snipAmanda Lamb reported it.

[Kat4Eagles]

JY is doing a fine job of building a great case for the DA to prosecute successfully. I think the DA is wise to allow JY to continue gathering additional, powerful CE. JY will convict himself.

IMO

:no:

If the DA had a case to prosecute, they would need no help from Jason or anyone else.

And, it would not have taken this long.

Hope this helps.

Kat

[alter ego]

<snipped>

In other words, there is not enough evidence in those mountains of circumstantial evidence that has been collected and processed..

Thanxx for the confirmation.
:)
KatI wonder what the DA needs for the evidence to rise above suspicion and seek an indictment.

[Kat4Eagles]

Young visited his wife's grave? Are you kidding? You're going to need a link for that one!

Did you also hear whether Young liked the headstone that Linda selected?



Jason even stayed around Raleigh after the murder in which time he visited Michelle's grave.

I have no idea about the headstone, but I do know LF has filed a suit in which she wants to be compensated for all expenses.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I wonder what the DA needs for the evidence to rise above suspicion and seek an indictment.


Hi A/E........:seeya:

I don't know, maybe something that can not be argued or explained away as easily as the things that have been disclosed so far..

Something that there would be no way out of...
Something that points directly to Jason and no one else.
Something that may give a motive for a jury to understand.
Something so powerful the jury would have no choice but to convict.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Hi Ayanna, no I haven't read anything about that, but I kinda doubt it.
Jason probably won't be offering Linda anything close to compassion or caring after the WDS and custody suits were filed. Just like he didn't before those documents were filed. except of course the ONE time he let her have some time with her granddaughter, right before the 2 year mark when she was just about to file her papers. He probably hoped he could fool her into thinking he was going to be a normal father and son in law and stop traumatizing his daughter and his MIL and SIL by keeping them apart when he offered up that one measly visit. But, transparent as he is, it was an obvious "act" and he really has no intentions of letting her see her at all. UNTIL he loses the next case with Linda and Meredith that is.

If you read in the custody suit, that L F filed, it was explained that the visit only came about after some type of mediation.

It stated that there was great tension existing between them.

I guess if you accuse someone of murder that happens.

:rolleyes:

Kat

[bookie]

"interference of his stepfather advising him to get a lawyer"

Advice to seek counsel has never been and will never be 'interference'.

At least not in the USA.


If advising someone to get legal counsel is an interference then every police officer making an arrest is guilty of interference since they read the Miranda Rights advising suspects of the right to obtain counsel. How dare they follow the law!!! :tonguewag: