MONDAY, 12/22 - Part One

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning everyone.

I found this statement by Brad Conway interesting:

Conway said the Anthonys would love to visit their daughter in jail this week and share as a family, but because their conversations are recorded, they are choosing not to.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18318021/detail.html

"love to visit" and "share as a family" I may have to reconsider my opinion that Cynthia and George have left the dark side. What on earth would they be "sharing" with the person who killed Caylee? I am not understanding this statement at all. Anyone have an opinion?

[Yankeemama]

My opinion is that we should leave Cindy/George alone.

I agree!!!

[ellegna]

Please take a moment to light a candle for Caylee :rose:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

[Regina.Lampert]

My opinion is that we should leave Cindy/George alone.

Have you been bothering them?

My original post has to do with whether or not they are continuing to back their daughter and her lies, which will play a very important part in the criticisms they will receive from the public, imo. Not to mention their legal exposure and whether or not they receive the full immunity they have requested from LE through their attorney. imo

[CNTM]

My opinion is that we should leave Cindy/George alone.

ITA, the cameras, press, people should all go away. There will be plenty of time for coverage when the trial starts. Pushing my feelings aside, they do deserve sympathy, prayers and peace and quiet. It's been a long, strange trip through hell for them!

I cannot wait until Christmas Eve when I can hug and kiss and squeeze my 3 year old grand daughter!

[StarShine]

Any lawyer worth his "salt" will advise a family member TO SHUT their mouth regarding their family member who will be facing trial.

I don't expect the Anthonys to come out and say anything negative about their daughter.

It is not for me to judge any of the Anthonys actions and I won't do so. They are going through their own personal he[[.

[CNTM]

Please take a moment to light a candle for Caylee :rose:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

Thank you Ellegna!! :rose:

[CNTM]

Have you been bothering them?

My original post has to do with whether or not they are continuing to back their daughter and her lies, which will play a very important part in the criticisms they will receive from the public, imo. Not to mention their legal exposure and whether or not they receive the full immunity they have requested from LE through their attorney. imo

Not balking your post Regina. You are totally correct about the statements.

[Adonna]

I have compassion for the grief the Anthony's have for Caylee and this Christmas without her. Sharing the happy memories of little Caylee from Christmas of the past may be what gets them though this holiday without her. I can understand needing and wanting their privacy and choosing not to visit Casey. It would be all too emotional for them and I respect their feelings.

[Katt2]

Good morning everyone.

I found this statement by Brad Conway interesting:

Conway said the Anthonys would love to visit their daughter in jail this week and share as a family, but because their conversations are recorded, they are choosing not to.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18318021/detail.html

"love to visit" and "share as a family" I may have to reconsider my opinion that Cynthia and George have left the dark side. What on earth would they be "sharing" with the person who killed Caylee? I am not understanding this statement at all. Anyone have an opinion?

I don't know what to think of it either but I will say this much. I will understand if the Anthony's don't turn their backs on Casey but if they continue down the "Zany did it road", I will be forced to reevaluate.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Have you been bothering them?

My original post has to do with whether or not they are continuing to back their daughter and her lies, which will play a very important part in the criticisms they will receive from the public, imo. Not to mention their legal exposure and whether or not they receive the full immunity they have requested from LE through their attorney. imo

Maybe G & C don't want to have to listen to Casey's expletives as to why they are asking for immunity so they sugarcoat their reason for not visiting Casey. Par for the course.

[damienstoy]

Have you been bothering them?

My original post has to do with whether or not they are continuing to back their daughter and her lies, which will play a very important part in the criticisms they will receive from the public, imo. Not to mention their legal exposure and whether or not they receive the full immunity they have requested from LE through their attorney. imo

I'm surprised their attorney made this statement. "Sharing as a family" isn't exactly the way I would put it if I was planning on demanding answers from my daughter.

I can understand their desire to see the OC now that Caylee has been found, and imagine that they would really like to get answers to their questions.

Maybe they told Baez they wanted to see her when he was at their home, and he refused, or told them she would refuse a visit, and they wanted to let the world know that it wasn't their idea to stay away?

I hate to think that they might still be backing the OC and her crazy stories.

[PuffDragon]

Any lawyer worth his "salt" will advise a family member TO SHUT their mouth regarding their family member who will be facing trial.

I don't expect the Anthonys to come out and say anything negative about their daughter.

It is not for me to judge any of the Anthonys actions and I won't do so. They are going through their own personal he[[.

I agree, and I think that Brad Conway has somehow, at least for the time being, managed to convince them to do that. I totally believe that any comments he presents on behalf of his clients have been written by him or someone in his office who knows how to say what would be expected.

As far as I'm concerned this is appropriate. It's what should have been done from the beginning. I am tired of thinking about George, Cindy, and Lee. I don't care what they did or didn't do for or against Casey in her life. It's all water under the bridge and doesn't change the basic fast that Caylee is dead, has been dead for 6 months, and that her mother is in jail accused of the crime.

Pretty much everything they have done after the discovery of Caylee being missing was stupid and foolish and misguided and perhaps even obstructionist but it still doesn't change the basic facts. Caylee is dead, Casey is in jail. I'm just tired of the dissecting and vilifying and obsessing over the family's motives. It is getting otherwise nice posters crazy and less nice posters positively mean and it sure is bringing out the trolls!

[cuddlyrunner]

Even if conversations are recorded I would still want to go visit my child if they were incarcerated at Christmas. They can't do anything right regarding this, if they go they will be condemned for standing by their daughter and if they don't they will be condemned too. They need to be able to let Casey know they love her and stand by her but also need to tell her it's time to 'fess up and take the consequences.

I still cannot fathom why they still are standing by the Zanny route. If she upped and confessed to neglecting Caylee and her dying (eg a drowning in the pool), she wouldn't have been facing murder 1.

I'll never in a million years be able to understand her partying while Caylee was unaccounted for 31 days. The only rational explanation to me and one I think the defence will eventually use, is that it was an accident and Casey suffered a psychotic break afterwards and was in denial that she had a child/was responsible for it. Hence the 'what do they want to talk to me for?' question.

[desmom]

Good Morning.

IMO, I think George has known from the beginning Caylee was gone.

I think Cindy knew too, but could not face the facts. As long as she kept talking, she did not have to stop and think. I remember the interview when Yuri attempted to point out some of the things Cindy was saying in the media were lies. I had the feeling she was very close to facing facts, but the mother in her just would not let her do it.

I am sure both of them are doing a lot of "we should of" or "if we had only".

George and Cindy have been headed down a path that many of us felt would end in disaster. I have not been a supporter of their statements and actions over the last 6 months, but I do send them my sympathy. I can't imagine their pain. No one should have to bury a child or grandchild.

I saw in several articles George & Cindy donated the toys left at the memorial to the Orlando Union Rescue Mission. Charities are having a very difficult time this year trying to meet the needs of so many. I am sure the toys will be deeply appreciated and loved by children that have so very little.

jmo

[n/t]

Good morning everyone.

I found this statement by Brad Conway interesting:

Conway said the Anthonys would love to visit their daughter in jail this week and share as a family, but because their conversations are recorded, they are choosing not to.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18318021/detail.html

"love to visit" and "share as a family" I may have to reconsider my opinion that Cynthia and George have left the dark side. What on earth would they be "sharing" with the person who killed Caylee? I am not understanding this statement at all. Anyone have an opinion?


Good Morning,

Share in their loss, maybe? Like comforting each other? That's how I understood it when I read it.

Who's to say Casey would even want to see them? She refused to see their pastor for pete's sake. I think Baez will be the only one she gets to see from now on.

As for the Anthony's attorney making these kind of statements, I would've hoped they would take the time to grieve the loss of their grandbaby without mentioning Casey at all. It proves to me that they will continue to say Casey is innocent and had nothing to do with Caylee's death. IMO

[Regina.Lampert]

Once again, here is the Anthony's statement:

"As everyone now knows, the remains recovered off Suburban Drive are those of Caylee Marie Anthony. The Anthony family did not give up hope that Caylee was still alive until we were notified by the Orange County Sheriff’s Office at approximately 1:30pm today. The Anthonys want to thank you for your prayers and best wishes that have been said on behalf of Caylee. They now know that their precious granddaughter is safe and hope that she will serve as the angel that protects thousands of missing children and their families. Please continue your prayers for Caylee, the Anthonys and the families that still hope and pray that their children will be found. We would like to thank crime scene investigators for their exhaustive efforts. The Anthonys want the same answers as everyone who has been assigned to investigate and prosecute this case. In an effort to determine the truth, the Anthony family will be available to law enforcement as the investigation continues. As you can imagine, the Anthonys are grieving deeply about this loss. Please respect their privacy and understand they will stand together as a family in order to get through this. Your thoughts and prayers are welcome, but they also ask that you pray for the families who have lost a child under any circumstances. This is a tragic moment in the lives of good and honorable people. Please treat them respectfully so they can grieve with dignity over the loss of this precious child, Caylee Marie Anthony.”

http://www.primewriter.com/blog/?cat=223

I do not see how the Anthony's can work with law enforcement to determine the truth and still support the lies of casey anthony.




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[n/t]

Any lawyer worth his "salt" will advise a family member TO SHUT their mouth regarding their family member who will be facing trial.

I don't expect the Anthonys to come out and say anything negative about their daughter.

It is not for me to judge any of the Anthonys actions and I won't do so. They are going through their own personal he[[.


So he shouldn't have made that statement then.

[Regina.Lampert]

I don't know what to think of it either but I will say this much. I will understand if the Anthony's don't turn their backs on Casey but if they continue down the "Zany did it road", I will be forced to reevaluate.

I'm with you Katt, stand by her as their daughter, but how on earth can they help her perpetuate the lies. I was so hoping that finally there were going to put Caylee first.

[CNTM]

Okay, come down hard on me if you must, I honestly want to know, but if I were the grand parent in this situation, there is no way on Earth I could or would ever look at the daughter again except in the court room. I thought before I posted this and NO, I would not visit her, support her, or want any contact with her at all ever again. If it turns out to be a mental illness, that might be a different story. Maybe I am more cold-hearted than I thought, but in this situation, she would be out of my life.
Would you think I would be wrong to feel that way? :shrug:

[n/t]

I'm with you Katt, stand by her as their daughter, but how on earth can they help her perpetuate the lies. I was so hoping that finally there were going to put Caylee first.


It won't happen, imo. We can include them on the same list as the Petersons and Entwistles who continue to claim their sons are innocent.

[Katt2]

I'm with you Katt, stand by her as their daughter, but how on earth can they help her perpetuate the lies. I was so hoping that finally there were going to put Caylee first.

You know, if they really thought Casey was innocent, they would go to see her and support her and cameras be damned!

[bchand]

Good Morning Everyone.

Just a heads up Jesse Grund is coming up on the Today Show.

[Regina.Lampert]

Good Morning,

Share in their loss, maybe? Like comforting each other? That's how I understood it when I read it.

Who's to say Casey would even want to see them? She refused to see their pastor for pete's sake. I think Baez will be the only one she gets to see from now on.

As for the Anthony's attorney making these kind of statements, I would've hoped they would take the time to grieve the loss of their grandbaby without mentioning Casey at all. It proves to me that they will continue to say Casey is innocent and had nothing to do with Caylee's death. IMO

You stated this well, n/t. That's what I was getting at, how can they share their grief with casey anthony when she is the monster who murdered Caylee???? The only way they could do that, is if they are still insisting casey anthony is innocent, imo.

Do they really think this monster would welcome them and cry with them??? IMO, part of the motive for the murder was that she was jealous of the attention and love Caylee received from them.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Okay, come down hard on me if you must, I honestly want to know, but if I were the grand parent in this situation, there is no way on Earth I could or would ever look at the daughter again except in the court room. I thought before I posted this and NO, I would not visit her, support her, or want any contact with her at all ever again. If it turns out to be a mental illness, that might be a different story. Maybe I am more cold-hearted than I thought, but in this situation, she would be out of my life.
Would you think I would be wrong to feel that way? :shrug:

I agree with you. This is supposed to be about Caylee, not Casey. How can you share as a "family" when the tiniest, most innocent member has been murdered?

[ellegna]

I have compassion for George and Cindy. We lost a beloved family member just before Christmas 2 years ago and I know too well how difficult and painful it will be for them.

Mr Conway's statement about visiting Casey was unnecessary. He should have just said the Anthonys will be spending a somber Christmas surrounding by family and friends and left it at that.
But
Since the comment was made, I truly believe George and Cindy chose not to visit Casey and surveillance was just an excuse to justify.

[RainyNiteNTx]

It won't happen, imo. We can include them on the same list as the Petersons and Entwistles who continue to claim their sons are innocent.

I believe you are right on target with this.

[n/t]

You stated this well, n/t. That's what I was getting at, how can they share their grief with casey anthony when she is the monster who murdered Caylee???? The only way they could do that, is if they are still insisting casey anthony is innocent, imo.

Do they really think this monster would welcome them and cry with them??? IMO, part of the motive for the murder was that she was jealous of the attention and love Caylee received from them.




They'll never accept it even with overwhelming evidence against her. IMO, they'll continue to say she was framed by LE and/or they'll blame someone else for the murder. Not sure if they'll stay with fake nanny or someone else. You just watch how this will unfold. They will do whatever it takes to raise reasonable doubt even throwing out the most ridiculous theories just as they've done for the past 5 months.
It's just the beginning. Hold on tight.

[destiny1]

Good morning everyone.

I found this statement by Brad Conway interesting:

Conway said the Anthonys would love to visit their daughter in jail this week and share as a family, but because their conversations are recorded, they are choosing not to.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18318021/detail.html

"love to visit" and "share as a family" I may have to reconsider my opinion that Cynthia and George have left the dark side. What on earth would they be "sharing" with the person who killed Caylee? I am not understanding this statement at all. Anyone have an opinion?
I believe that thesee may be the words of Conway, as their mouthpiece, he is going to try to soften them, so to speak. It may be a way of trying to satisfy groups of several opinionss at once.

Backfire!

[Regina.Lampert]

They'll never accept it even with overwhelming evidence against her. IMO, they'll continue to say she was framed by LE and/or they'll blame someone else for the murder. Not sure if they'll stay with fake nanny or someone else. You just watch how this will unfold. They will do whatever it takes to raise reasonable doubt even throwing out the most ridiculous theories just as they've done for the past 5 months.
It's just the beginning. Hold on tight.

I was so hoping this wouldn't be the case, because of their statement they wanted the truth.

[Lavenia]

What about the one who gave the Psych Eval to Casey during one of her tours of the county jail?
:confused:
and if Casey were able to "fool" the assessment,
under such stress ...
what makes one think that she hadn't had the ~skill~ to do so
because she HAD been through prior evaluations?

Bringing this over from last night's/this morning's thread VII.

It is my experience that in a correctional setting, the primary goal of a psych eval is to make a cursory evaluation of whether an inmate is an imminent danger to themselves or to others and determine appropriate housing while in custody. There will also be an elementary attempt to determine whether that patient is working within reality and likely to continue doing so. There is no attempt at therapy or analysis. It's just a pretty basic deal. I doubt if anyone much would like to see any change in that system. The state wouldn't because of the cost and the defense wouldn't because they don't want the state to be privy to their client's psych "secrets" and disarm a possible trial strategy.

[FrankieBones1]

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"love to visit" and "share as a family" I may have to reconsider my opinion that Cynthia and George have left the dark side. What on earth would they be "sharing" with the person who killed Caylee? I am not understanding this statement at all. Anyone have an opinion?And a Good Morning to you, too!
I hope it is a case of Conway speaking for the Anthonys and choosing the words that he wants to use. I certainly hope those actual words didn't come from the Anthonys.

[courtsinsession]

wow, this guy really really loved Caylee and Casey; He was in tears; I was tearing up just watching his response to Caylee's death; there is no question how much he loved that little girl and of course he loved Casey too; can you imagine the state of shock he is in? I thought it was a very good interview by MattL Lauer. He basically said, as he has said before, that THIS Casey Anthony is not the Casey Anthony he knew; He also said when Caylee was born Casey was a good mother but later she saw motherhood as a responsibility. From what he said it sounds like Casey was getting disenchanted with motherhood; apparently at some point she also bolted from the relationship with Jesse so she could party (he wasn't asked specifics about their relationship). All the people that loved Casey and Caylee and she cared nothing for any of them.

[n/t]

I was so hoping this wouldn't be the case, because of their statement they wanted the truth.


They don't know what the meaning of truth is, imo. Heck they lied to the FBI. Who does that?

[destiny1]

And a Good Morning to you, too!
I hope it is a case of Conway speaking for the Anthonys and choosing the words that he wants to use. I certainly hope those actual words didn't come from the Anthonys.

My sentiments, exactly.

They have played so to speak to the public all these months, in a bad light, I must say, and now they are having to be made over. Some mistakes are being made. They will, for many of us, have to detatch totally from Casey, but to satisfy others, they will have to grieve in a way for both of them; CAYLEE and casey.

[snowflakes]

Good Morning Everyone.

Just a heads up Jesse Grund is coming up on the Today Show.

He was crying his eyes out and so was I.

This is just a horrible situation for everyone who even knew Casey.

[n/t]

wow, this guy really really loved Caylee and Casey; He was in tears; I was tearing up just watching his response to Caylee's death; there is no question how much he loved that little girl and of course he loved Casey too; can you imagine the state of shock he is in? I thought it was a very good interview by MattL Lauer. He basically said, as he has said before, that THIS Casey Anthony is not the Casey Anthony he knew; He also said when Caylee was born Casey was a good mother but later she saw motherhood as a responsibility. From what he said it sounds like Casey was getting disenchanted with motherhood; apparently at some point she also bolted from the relationship with Jesse so she could party (he wasn't asked specifics about their relationship). All the people that loved Casey and Caylee and she cared nothing for any of them.

I have a lot of compassion for the Grunds and I send my sympathies to them. There is no doubt in my mind they loved Caylee as one of their own. I can't help but wonder if Jesse was her real daddy, she may have had a chance. :crying:

[destiny1]

wow, this guy really really loved Caylee and Casey; He was in tears; I was tearing up just watching his response to Caylee's death; there is no question how much he loved that little girl and of course he loved Casey too; can you imagine the state of shock he is in? I thought it was a very good interview by MattL Lauer. He basically said, as he has said before, that THIS Casey Anthony is not the Casey Anthony he knew; He also said when Caylee was born Casey was a good mother but later she saw motherhood as a responsibility. From what he said it sounds like Casey was getting disenchanted with motherhood; apparently at some point she also bolted from the relationship with Jesse so she could party (he wasn't asked specifics about their relationship). All the people that loved Casey and Caylee and she cared nothing for any of them.
I believe that Casey learned and played her roles very well early in life and when Caylee came onto her set, she was a source of attention for Casey as the "cute little baby". At that time, Casey could use Caylee to gain the adoration and attention of so many. as caylee got older she developed her own personality and casey looked elsewhere (her party friends) for attention. Meanwhiler, Jesse was a social burden so to speak. she got rid of him, but the other burdens, Caylee and her parents were still there. She needed her parents for financial reasons. It has all become such a mess in her eyes, so the fight or flight response, although most inappropriate, kicked in. Caylee has suffered the consequences.

[bchand]

He was crying his eyes out and so was I.

This is just a horrible situation for everyone who even knew Casey.

That was really sad wasn't it snowflakes? He WAS Caylee's first father IMO and he is hurting over this.

[VII]

Good morning everyone.

I found this statement by Brad Conway interesting:

Conway said the Anthonys would love to visit their daughter in jail this week and share as a family, but because their conversations are recorded, they are choosing not to.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18318021/detail.html

"love to visit" and "share as a family" I may have to reconsider my opinion that Cynthia and George have left the dark side. What on earth would they be "sharing" with the person who killed Caylee? I am not understanding this statement at all. Anyone have an opinion?


G'Morning, Regina.Lampert
This statement has thrown me for a loop as well.
It's almost like they want to say they'd like to visit Casey and *share* (what? how they feel about what is obvious?)
or
they want to share their grief?
Perhaps, they'd like to visit Casey so she can
"look them in the eye"
and *share* now that Caylee's remains have been discovered?
or
that she is still their daughter, who
OBviously is very sick and they regret not intervening as they didn't know HOW sick she is/was?

The statement leaves much to interject ...
and is confusing, to say the least.

It's a statement made to say SOMEthing about a horrific situation and not knowing HOW to say it or WHAT they feel like they need to do ... but they feel like they need to DO something.
Just as other extended family of violent crime.

For now, I will continue to afford them the opportunity to be confused, hurt, betrayed, heart sick, grief stricken,
and in the process of processing what has happened.
Because, Caylee was loved by SOMEone who spent lots of time with her and I think that SOMEone was Cindy.
moo

[ellegna]

I have a lot of compassion for the Grunds and I send my sympathies to them. There is no doubt in my mind they loved Caylee as one of their own. I can't help but wonder if Jesse was her real daddy, she may have had a chance. :crying:

I couldn't agree with you more :crying:

[RJ1]

It won't happen, imo. We can include them on the same list as the Petersons and Entwistles who continue to claim their sons are innocent.

Some parents will support their children no matter what. Maybe the Anthonys just can't let themselves believe that Casey is such a monster. Is that SO surprising?

They have lost their beloved granddaughter and maybe now they are going to do ANYTHING they can to try to save Casey's life by supporting her defense. Does anybody really think it will make a difference in the inevitable outcome?

Bottom line, what affect does this REALLY have on any of our lives? Can't we just be content to sit back and pat ourselves on the back, convinced that WE would never be so despicable in the same situation.

Maybe even for this one week of Christmas ...?

[ellegna]

Toys In Caylee Memorial Sent To Kids In Need (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28346927/)

video (http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2008/12/22/Toys-from-Caylee-memorial-to/1229944286.html)

edited to add video

[destiny1]

That was really sad wasn't it snowflakes? He WAS Caylee's first father IMO and he is hurting over this.

That was quite heartwrenching to watch wasn't it?
This man and his family seem to be such wonderful people.

Sadly, I believe he was Caylees only father. Biology does not a father make.

[Lavenia]

I have a lot of compassion for the Grunds and I send my sympathies to them. There is no doubt in my mind they loved Caylee as one of their own. I can't help but wonder if Jesse was her real daddy, she may have had a chance. :crying:

I bet that realization doesn't escape them. All the more painful for them. :crying:

[bchand]

That was quite heartwrenching to watch wasn't it?
This man and his family seem to be such wonderful people.

Sadly, I believe he was Caylees only father. Biology does not a father make.


How true destiny - NOR a mother.

[Regina.Lampert]

Some parents will support their children no matter what. Maybe the Anthonys just can't let themselves believe that Casey is such a monster. Is that SO surprising?

They have lost their beloved granddaughter and maybe now they are going to do ANYTHING they can to try to save Casey's life by supporting her defense. Does anybody really think it will make a difference in the inevitable outcome?

Bottom line, what affect does this REALLY have on any of our lives? Can't we just be content to sit back and pat ourselves on the back, convinced that WE would never be so despicable in the same situation.

Maybe even for this one week of Christmas ...?


What does it have to do with our lives? This is a discussion forum for the case of Caylee Anthony. We're here to discuss all aspects of that case, it is what we enjoy doing.

Your little lecture is unnecessary, imo.

[Regina.Lampert]

That was quite heartwrenching to watch wasn't it?
This man and his family seem to be such wonderful people.

Sadly, I believe he was Caylees only father. Biology does not a father make.

I don't think there has ever been a doubt that the Grunds loved Caylee. Do you think Cynthia and George will invite them to the private funeral?

[RJ1]

What does it have to do with our lives? This is a discussion forum for the case of Caylee Anthony. We're here to discuss all aspects of that case, it is what we enjoy doing.

Your little lecture is unnecessary, imo.

Well, people sure seem to be taking everything the Anthonys do personally, which I don't understand.

Sorry you were offended, I'm just trying to figure out the mentality, that's all.

[Pebbles]

Okay, come down hard on me if you must, I honestly want to know, but if I were the grand parent in this situation, there is no way on Earth I could or would ever look at the daughter again except in the court room. I thought before I posted this and NO, I would not visit her, support her, or want any contact with her at all ever again. If it turns out to be a mental illness, that might be a different story. Maybe I am more cold-hearted than I thought, but in this situation, she would be out of my life.
Would you think I would be wrong to feel that way? :shrug:



CNTM I understand, because I have these same thoughts and feelings.

[5boxersmom]

I think the memorial could have been left a few more days if there is no rain in the forecast.

About the visit of Casey. Who would care if it was taped. I would want to see my child. I think them saying that about it being taped is just another attempt to make the LE look bad. Always someone else's fault.

imo

[Pebbles]

They'll never accept it even with overwhelming evidence against her. IMO, they'll continue to say she was framed by LE and/or they'll blame someone else for the murder. Not sure if they'll stay with fake nanny or someone else. You just watch how this will unfold. They will do whatever it takes to raise reasonable doubt even throwing out the most ridiculous theories just as they've done for the past 5 months.
It's just the beginning. Hold on tight.




I have these same feelings and thoughts.

[lady]

wow...I knew the it was Caylee when they finally found the bag.
I'm just so frustrated with that Casey. If she does get by with murder, she will never have a good decent life again.
I know she killed Caylee, just like I knew those bones were what was left of Caylee.

[Regina.Lampert]

Well, people sure seem to be taking everything the Anthonys do personally, which I don't understand.

Sorry you were offended, I'm just trying to figure out the mentality, that's all.

Mentality? This is a discussion where there are many opinions, there's nothing to figure out, everyone is entitled to view the facts and have an opinion.

[VII]

Bringing this over from last night's/this morning's thread VII.

It is my experience that in a correctional setting, the primary goal of a psych eval is to make a cursory evaluation of whether an inmate is an imminent danger to themselves or to others and determine appropriate housing while in custody. There will also be an elementary attempt to determine whether that patient is working within reality and likely to continue doing so. There is no attempt at therapy or analysis. It's just a pretty basic deal. I doubt if anyone much would like to see any change in that system. The state wouldn't because of the cost and the defense wouldn't because they don't want the state to be privy to their client's psych "secrets" and disarm a possible trial strategy.


G'Morning, Lavenia ...
I love the idea of a discussion tonight about why all the vile and hatred of Cindy. Hope I'm able to join in and ~share~ ...

Thanks for your input on this. You are correct in the cursory assessment ... had not given that consideration as I am so curious as to WHAT may be going on in Casey's head.

Had Baez been worth a HOOT, he'd have provided his client with a Psych eval and tried to build her defense in THAT regard, as opposed to what he has/IS doing.

again ...
thanks !!

[Regina.Lampert]

I think the memorial could have been left a few more days if there is no rain in the forecast.

About the visit of Casey. Who would care if it was taped. I would want to see my child. I think them saying that about it being taped is just another attempt to make the LE and look bad. Always someone else's fault.

imo

That's a good point Boxer.

[shellzbi]

I don't think there has ever been a doubt that the Grunds loved Caylee. Do you think Cynthia and George will invite them to the private funeral?

Good Morning, I hope they do. That would be the right thing to do. IMO.

The Anthony's behave in a manner that does not sit well with me.

I am so sorry for there loss.

But as Cindy has sad this is her loss and her's only.

It was said at Econ Park when Lenny searched and they came out and made a big fuss.

No Link just my memory. Be Well.

[jammies]

I'm with you Katt, stand by her as their daughter, but how on earth can they help her perpetuate the lies. I was so hoping that finally there were going to put Caylee first.


Call me hard hearted but I could NOT 'stand by' my daughter who murdered my grandchild, led me down the yellow brick road, and worst of all, has never once shown any sign of remorse.

Until Casey tells the truth, the WHOLE truth, begs for forgiveness, cries some REAL tears for her daughter, she can rot in jail.

[SwFlorida]

Okay, come down hard on me if you must, I honestly want to know, but if I were the grand parent in this situation, there is no way on Earth I could or would ever look at the daughter again except in the court room. I thought before I posted this and NO, I would not visit her, support her, or want any contact with her at all ever again. If it turns out to be a mental illness, that might be a different story. Maybe I am more cold-hearted than I thought, but in this situation, she would be out of my life.
Would you think I would be wrong to feel that way? :shrug:
No not at all. But I would have to have one more visit and ask WHY, and if she started rambling on about the nanny I would walk out and that would be it.

[Katt2]

I think the memorial could have been left a few more days if there is no rain in the forecast.

About the visit of Casey. Who would care if it was taped. I would want to see my child. I think them saying that about it being taped is just another attempt to make the LE and look bad. Always someone else's fault.

imo

Either that or they simply do not want to look at her face because they know she is responsible for Caylee's death.

[shellzbi]

wow...I knew the it was Caylee when they finally found the bag.
I'm just so frustrated with that Casey. If she does get by with murder, she will never have a good decent life again.
I know she killed Caylee, just like I knew those bones were what was left of Caylee.

I am not a bit worried about Casey going free.

The system will take care of her IMO.

[JHP]

I think the memorial could have been left a few more days if there is no rain in the forecast.

About the visit of Casey. Who would care if it was taped. I would want to see my child. I think them saying that about it being taped is just another attempt to make the LE and look bad. Always someone else's fault.

imo

I think it is also interesting that early on they just "threw out" things people had sent because they all smelled like smoke. And now they are going to take a rather large memorial and "donate" these things after their son ripped up a memorial in their yard.
Did they visit the memorial and thank the people who were concerned?
I am suspect of everything these grandparents do.

JMO

[5boxersmom]

That's a good point Boxer.

TY. It goes back to them saying if Casey could get out of jail she would help us find Caylee. If she wasn't in jail she would talk. We all know how that turned out. In the tapes we have saw that is what Casey talks about. Being stuck in jail and we now know where little Caylee was at this time.

[RJ1]

Mentality? This is a discussion where there are many opinions, there's nothing to figure out, everyone is entitled to view the facts and have an opinion.

Including me? LOL

I'm just trying to understand why people are so shocked at the Anthonys behavior, that's all.

Again ... humble apologies for offending you with my questions and opinions.

[bchand]

After they tried to throw Jesse under the bus? Wait .........they may be still trying to :unsure: IMO

That's right charm - let's wait...

As I said, I'm just filing things in the back of my head, waiting to decide how I feel about the Anthony's right now.

It isn't looking good so far:

1. Sending a "producer" to the crime scene to swoop in and clear out the stuffed animals and toys left to honor Caylee. (Even if they had sent Brad Conway - the effect would have been softer.)

2. Jose Baez being at their house. His ONLY purpose is to get Casey off. It almost feels that he went there to make sure they are still on her side.

3. The statement from the lawyer that they would love to go to the jail and "share" with Casey. Share what???? The only way that statement makes sense is if he's saying they still are going to say she is innocent of this horrible crime.

[Mairi II]

Oh yeah, right. They're not going to the jail because of being taped. :rolleyes: Like someone else said, IF they thought Casey was innocent, they would've been at the jail in a NY nanosecond to support her in her time of grief - cameras/recorder be damned. They know.

Baez probably encouraged them not to go: In his mind, he's probably concerned that his client may blurt something out that he'll have a hard time defending. It's to his (ultimately his client's) advantage to keep her entirely insulated at this point.

[destiny1]

I think the memorial could have been left a few more days if there is no rain in the forecast.

About the visit of Casey. Who would care if it was taped. I would want to see my child. I think them saying that about it being taped is just another attempt to make the LE look bad. Always someone else's fault.

imo

Every attempt that has been made to make LE look bad is going to backfire triply IMO. Although LE handles all cases based on their well thought-out protocols, they are taking special care here. They have been villified and maligned from day 31.

[VII]

Dew could ruin all the animals on that memorial....not to mention the paper products....It's very dewy down there.....IMO

and,
did you notice how trampled the area around the memorial site is?
I see mud in the making.

[shellzbi]

Oh yeah, right. They're not going to the jail because of being taped. :rolleyes: Like someone else said, IF they thought Casey was innocent, they would've been at the jail in a NY nanosecond to support her in her time of grief - cameras/recorder be damned. They know.


They sure do. In my heart they have known that Caylee was not coming home.

They turned this whole sad mess into a circus.

They just don't want to see her period. I wouldn't either. IMO.

[Mairi II]

and,
did you notice how trampled the area around the memorial site is?
I see mud in the making.

I thought I heard someone say, too, that it rains just about every single day there about 3:00.

[5boxersmom]

I think it is also interesting that early on they just "threw out" things people had sent because they all smelled like smoke. And now they are going to take a rather large memorial and "donate" these things after their son ripped up a memorial in their yard.
Did they visit the memorial and thank the people who were concerned?
I am suspect of everything these grandparents do.

JMO

I understand what you are saying. I am also.

[destiny1]

I don't think there has ever been a doubt that the Grunds loved Caylee. Do you think Cynthia and George will invite them to the private funeral?


at this point, I don't.

for one thing, they have upstaged them. This was an honest open interview and they were pwrceived as being truly concerned with Caylee. On one, at least, Condy's interviews, she had to be asked to talk about Caylee.

[?noanswer]

Good Morning.

IMO, I think George has known from the beginning Caylee was gone.

I think Cindy knew too, but could not face the facts. As long as she kept talking, she did not have to stop and think. I remember the interview when Yuri attempted to point out some of the things Cindy was saying in the media were lies.


Snipped
jmo

Bold by me.
Cindy reminded me of KC when KC was at Universal with LE. Even when they told KC she was lying, she would admit it, yet continue with the same story. JMO

[Lindsey]

Once again, here is the Anthony's statement:

"As everyone now knows, the remains recovered off Suburban Drive are those of Caylee Marie Anthony. The Anthony family did not give up hope that Caylee was still alive until we were notified by the Orange County Sheriff’s Office at approximately 1:30pm today. The Anthonys want to thank you for your prayers and best wishes that have been said on behalf of Caylee. They now know that their precious granddaughter is safe and hope that she will serve as the angel that protects thousands of missing children and their families. Please continue your prayers for Caylee, the Anthonys and the families that still hope and pray that their children will be found. We would like to thank crime scene investigators for their exhaustive efforts. The Anthonys want the same answers as everyone who has been assigned to investigate and prosecute this case. In an effort to determine the truth, the Anthony family will be available to law enforcement as the investigation continues. As you can imagine, the Anthonys are grieving deeply about this loss. Please respect their privacy and understand they will stand together as a family in order to get through this. Your thoughts and prayers are welcome, but they also ask that you pray for the families who have lost a child under any circumstances. This is a tragic moment in the lives of good and honorable people. Please treat them respectfully so they can grieve with dignity over the loss of this precious child, Caylee Marie Anthony.”

http://www.primewriter.com/blog/?cat=223

I do not see how the Anthony's can work with law enforcement to determine the truth and still support the lies of casey anthony.




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Hey Regina!

This line has stood out to me from the day it was stated. I think it means they will continue to stand by Casey.

Please respect their privacy and understand they will stand together as a family in order to get through this.

I don't believe they have accepted the horrible fact Casey is responsible for the loss of their precious granddaughter. Maybe it's all too much to absorb at one time ? Or they just can't admit it to the public yet?

I hope they will grieve in private and not jump right back on camera and start throwing "everybody but Casey" under the bus.

All JMO

[5boxersmom]

Every attempt that has been made to make LE look bad is going to backfire triply IMO. Although LE handles all cases based on their well thought-out protocols, they are taking special care here. They have been villified and maligned from day 31.

Yes, I get tried of hearing it about LE. They were handed a cold case right from the beginning.

Baez is probably bring them letters from Casey.

[CC I See]

Good morning everyone.

I found this statement by Brad Conway interesting:

Conway said the Anthonys would love to visit their daughter in jail this week and share as a family, but because their conversations are recorded, they are choosing not to.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18318021/detail.html

"love to visit" and "share as a family" I may have to reconsider my opinion that Cynthia and George have left the dark side. What on earth would they be "sharing" with the person who killed Caylee? I am not understanding this statement at all. Anyone have an opinion?

Maybe they are trying to move on with their lives and given the time of year need to get into the Christmas spirit by gathering up the family and reminiscing about happier times. Also, they may be practicing the unconditional love that so many people share..... forgiveness. As for Caylee, she is now just a painful memory that needs healing.

[VII]

If I were the Anthony's
Baez wouldn't step a FOOT in my door.
Having said that ...
perhaps he was there to answer THEIR questions about Casey's frame of mind, given the outcome.
They may be trying to prepare themselves for how to proceed with this revalation that their daughter killed their granddaughter and they do NOT want to ~share~ as long as she cont's the BS, and perhaps they sent a message back to Casey, stating such.

just thinkin' out loud.

[?noanswer]

Good Morning,

Share in their loss, maybe? Like comforting each other? That's how I understood it when I read it.

Who's to say Casey would even want to see them? She refused to see their pastor for pete's sake. I think Baez will be the only one she gets to see from now on.

As for the Anthony's attorney making these kind of statements, I would've hoped they would take the time to grieve the loss of their grandbaby without mentioning Casey at all. It proves to me that they will continue to say Casey is innocent and had nothing to do with Caylee's death. IMO


Wonder if JB will let any of the "dream team" lawyers interview her? I can't understand how they can go on TV and defend her without talking to her. That tells me, they really don't care what happened. Their goal is to continue to "spin" the case and when they get into the courtroom, try to confuse the jury about the forensics.

JMO

[jammies]

I understand what you are saying. I am also.


If I were in their flip flops, my very last concern would be a memorial of flowers and toys honoring my grandchild. I guess I just don't "get" why this is a priority for them? Their GRANDCHILD is dead by their daughters hand. How is a sweet memorial even on their radar screen?

[trich]

You know if I wanted to visit with my duaghter I woul dvisit.
If she didn't want to accept the visit that is her choice but no one else would tell me if I could or should.
First of all I don't understand why their lawyer had to make that announcement.
Yes I do I guess he is trying to change the publics view of them.
But IMO he did just the opposite....why should they care if their visit is recorded ...remember this is family time.
Now I dislike their behavior , as my posts reflect, but again I don't see why they are worried about being recorded if they are just having family time.
Actually if it was me I would want to tell my daughter how much I love her but it is time to come clean and admit to what she has done.
Be accountable....I would actually want it to be recorded.

[bchand]

If I were the Anthony's
Baez wouldn't step a FOOT in my door.
Having said that ...
perhaps he was there to answer THEIR questions about Casey's frame of mind, given the outcome.
They may be trying to prepare themselves for how to proceed with this revalation that their daughter killed their granddaughter and they do NOT want to ~share~ as long as she cont's the BS, and perhaps they sent a message back to Casey, stating such.

just thinkin' out loud.

I agree. He wouldn't set foot in my door neither. I hope your version is the correct one.

[n/t]

Some parents will support their children no matter what. Maybe the Anthonys just can't let themselves believe that Casey is such a monster. Is that SO surprising?

They have lost their beloved granddaughter and maybe now they are going to do ANYTHING they can to try to save Casey's life by supporting her defense. Does anybody really think it will make a difference in the inevitable outcome?

Bottom line, what affect does this REALLY have on any of our lives? Can't we just be content to sit back and pat ourselves on the back, convinced that WE would never be so despicable in the same situation.

Maybe even for this one week of Christmas ...?


It's one thing to support her defense and it's another to downright lie. You know what, if they had a reasonable theory, I'd probably give them the benefit of the doubt. But to tell the world that their grandbaby was kidnapped and possibly murdered by this nanny that doesn't exist and to tell the world that the smell in the trunk was rotten pizza when we all know that Cindy is a nurse and George is an ex cop is, imo, a slap in the face to all those who want the truth and justice for Caylee.

IMO, if the Anthonys want to support Casey, they should keep their mouths shut. I think that would be the best thing to do in this situation. They can support their daughter and honour Caylee by not saying anything.

IMO

[ellegna]

For those who missed the Today Show

Jesse Grund (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/28347880#28347880)

[5boxersmom]

If I were in their flip flops, my very last concern would be a memorial of flowers and toys honoring my grandchild. I guess I just don't "get" why this is a priority for them? Their GRANDCHILD is dead by their daughters hand. How is a sweet memorial even on their radar screen?

Yes, it really is nothing compared to losing Caylee. I don't know why they are so worried about it right now.

[n/t]

If I were in their flip flops, my very last concern would be a memorial of flowers and toys honoring my grandchild. I guess I just don't "get" why this is a priority for them? Their GRANDCHILD is dead by their daughters hand. How is a sweet memorial even on their radar screen?

It's mind boggling. There are just no words.

[?noanswer]

Roy Black on GMA. Says the only defense that KC can use is "accidental death". Most likely gave her something to make her sleep while she was out partying. Lots of circumstanial evidence. Asked if he would take case. Said it depends, would have to talk to client first. A really tricky case. JMO

[starbright]

Jessie Grund now on Central time Today Show.

[5boxersmom]

For those who missed the Today Show

Jesse Grund (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/28347880#28347880)

So sad. I think he really loved Caylee.

BBL

[Pruddennce]

My opinion is that we should leave Cindy/George alone.

why? this is a message board. no one is banging their door down here, disrupting THEIR lives.

as they did when they misled investigators with their lies, disrupting innocent families' lives who have children that resemble Cayee.

they misled the public as well.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/10/lkl.01.html

GEORGE ANTHONY: My professional opinion is I never really realized how long it would take garbage to smell for 19 days or 18 days inside of a car in Florida, to be honest with you.

not only did LE have to sift thru Casey's lies, they had to sift thru the families lies as well.....number one, to acquire a timeline.

all was not well in the Anthony household, LE states in their narrative that neighbors heard a shouting match the nite of the 15th.

Cindy states there were no new stains in the car; George describes it in detail to LE and the FBI.

Cindy was not only reiterating what Casey told her, she was inserting her own spin on the stories. Accusing others of committing a crime in her interviews and publically.

they are part of this investigation.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[lady]

Casey's behavior screams guilty since the day she killed her daughter. Her father knows she did it and that's why Casey came out with that "abuse" allegation. god she's a crazy brat

[RJ1]

The Anthonys brought it to the world every time they showed up on the tele....They "wanted help" I would say that gives the people who offered support,...be it emotional or physical....the right to discuss...

TY...OMO

I NEVER said that anybody doesn't have the right to discuss anything.

I was just trying to figure out why people are so shocked at the Anthonys behavior.

Truly sorry I asked.

[destiny1]

For those who missed the Today Show

Jesse Grund (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/28347880#28347880)
"The family has no plans for a memorial until the defense forensics team is done" paraphrased

I know they need to allow the defense to do this and I want to see them do this for legal reasons. No room for appeals. None!

[destiny1]

This Jesse is a class act! He wants to give the Anthonys the benefit of the doubt as grieving grandparents.

[?noanswer]

No not at all. But I would have to have one more visit and ask WHY, and if she started rambling on about the nanny I would walk out and that would be it.

I think they may be afraid of KC's actions as much as what she might say. KC has not been able to show any convincing emotions as yet. They cannot afford to give the Prosecution any more taped ammunition against her. JMO

[n/t]

Well, people sure seem to be taking everything the Anthonys do personally, which I don't understand.

Sorry you were offended, I'm just trying to figure out the mentality, that's all.

I know this wasn't addressed to me but I'd like to comment. When a person is murdered and in this case a defenseless 2 year old, I do take it personally. No child has to go through what that little girl went through. I want the truth and justice for her. Sadly, if the grandparents can't give her that then it's up to the people and the State to do what needs to be done in order for her to get it. We are her voice. Caylee Marie is the victim. Let's not lose sight of that.

[destiny1]

I NEVER said that anybody doesn't have the right to discuss anything.

I was just trying to figure out why people are so shocked at the Anthonys behavior.

Truly sorry I asked.It is their opinions. Opinions are quite common when a case has been all over the press for so many months. People get emotionally vested. We deal with it.

[VII]

"The family has no plans for a memorial until the defense forensics team is done" paraphrased

I know they need to allow the defense to do this and I want to see them do this for legal reasons. No room for appeals. None!

It would be very difficult to plan this w/o forensics completing their part.

Agree on tramping out any possible defense Baez could produce.
Have we heard from LKB since the discovery?
THAT'LL be interesting.
Maybe SHE can convince Baez to SIT down and shut UP
IF
he wants to get his client out of the DP and try to come OUT with the truth of what happened to Caylee.
Horn Dawg that he appears to be (gag)
maybe Casey had HIM buffalo'd.
and YES, I think that is entirley possible!!

Time for WORK!!

[GardenGirl]

I think they may be afraid of KC's actions as much as what she might say. KC has not been able to show any convincing emotions as yet. They cannot afford to give the Prosecution any more taped ammunition against her. JMO

I think they're afraid of what she might say and it'll be on tape and there goes the whole case.
She'll break down and admit it to them.

[playnice]

Roy Black on GMA. Says the only defense that KC can use is "accidental death". Most likely gave her something to make her sleep while she was out partying. Lots of circumstanial evidence. Asked if he would take case. Said it depends, would have to talk to client first. A really tricky case. JMO

Unless they can get a plea bargain I dont see how they can change the story now from the invisible nanny which is going to send Casey to prison for life. They never thought the body would be found and now this zanny crap has blew up in their face.

[n/t]

I think they may be afraid of KC's actions as much as what she might say. KC has not been able to show any convincing emotions as yet. They cannot afford to give the Prosecution any more taped ammunition against her. JMO

What would she say anyway? Mom, I told you she was close. :cursing:

[callmetree]

Please take a moment to light a candle for Caylee :rose:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

thank you ellegna:rose:

[no1what]

Opinions only. What difference does it make?

Some parents have blinders on. They refuse to admit what their offspring are capable of....If the Anthonys really want to share with that girl then they havent changed their tune a bit...I dont count them out only because I try so hard not to judge people for making really bad decisions.....but IMO thy have gone too far and it will take a whole lot to change the way they are perceived....there really is no forgiveness.....not that what we say or think will matter.

----------------------------------------------------

Since the day I saw George telling the gas can story on Greta and Cindy is holding her breath hoping he will tell the story the way she wanted it told and not the version George gave to LE during an interview I stopped feeling sorry for Cindy and focused just on Caylee.

I am not judging the GP's but I just stay focused on the fact that Caylee is the victim and God will protect her now. I may want to save my children from their bad decisions and I will support them no matter what they do but I will not make up lies for them. IMO the lies is the cause of this tragedy.

[Katt2]

Something still nags at me about the fingerprint issue. I keep thinking that LE found fingerprints besides Casey's at the crime scene and that's why they requested the rest of the Anthony's. Obviously none of theirs were found or they would have taken some of their items during the search warrant. As far as I know there has never been a search warrant at Lee's.

[playnice]

Something still nags at me about the fingerprint issue. I keep thinking that LE found fingerprints besides Casey's at the crime scene and that's why they requested the rest of the Anthony's. Obviously none of theirs were found or they would have taken some of their items during the search warrant. As far as I know there has never been a search warrant at Lee's.

I cant help but wonder if this case will take another strange twist. I feel there is more we havent heard about yet to come.

[RJ1]

It is their opinions. Opinions are quite common when a case has been all over the press for so many months. People get emotionally vested. We deal with it.

Some opinions are welcomed, some are not.

Obviously, I don't have the list. :confused:

[HouseOfClark]

IMO only but we must remember that Brad Conway's services were retained on the very day that the remains of little Caylee were found.

Had they hired him prior or had the remains had never been found, he would have been shown the door long ago.

It is part of Baez' strategy to isolate Casey from her family. Nothing more, nothing less. I suppose in his thinking, it'll be less of a shock to them when she accuses one of them of being involved, or abusing her, or fear of her mother, and on and on.

I also believe that now the body has been found and determined to be Caylee, the public will not be privy to any more jailhouse conversations. Any that will be used as evidence will not be heard till trial, if then. To me, using the recording of visits is a smokescreen. Especially now. But they have used that excuse for weeks, even before little Caylee was found.

IMO, it would look far better for the Anthonys if they at least tried to visit and were turned away by Casey. At least in the public's eye. Then Casey will have a harder time trying to convince the jury that her "loving family that tried to visit with her but were shunned" was in any way involved in this tragedy.

But I don't think like Baez does. Thank Goodness.

[kelleyb227]

My deepest sympathies for Cindy and George...I have no doubt that they need them however they are Casey's enablers and this pattern of behavior has been in place for MANY years.

Deep down, they know the truth, but they will not let any of us have the satisfaction of knowing that. Control issues galore in that family.

[msgatorslayer]

If I were in their flip flops, my very last concern would be a memorial of flowers and toys honoring my grandchild. I guess I just don't "get" why this is a priority for them? Their GRANDCHILD is dead by their daughters hand. How is a sweet memorial even on their radar screen?

Morning, everyone.

"In their flip-flops". Thats funny! :lol:

I know it seems as though the memorial should be the last thing on their mind, but I look at it like, it is one thing that they can still control. Everything else is falling apart around them. And it gives them something to do. And it is positive. So, I'll leave them alone about it.

[callmetree]

Once again, here is the Anthony's statement:

"As everyone now knows, the remains recovered off Suburban Drive are those of Caylee Marie Anthony. The Anthony family did not give up hope that Caylee was still alive until we were notified by the Orange County Sheriff’s Office at approximately 1:30pm today. The Anthonys want to thank you for your prayers and best wishes that have been said on behalf of Caylee. They now know that their precious granddaughter is safe and hope that she will serve as the angel that protects thousands of missing children and their families. Please continue your prayers for Caylee, the Anthonys and the families that still hope and pray that their children will be found. We would like to thank crime scene investigators for their exhaustive efforts. The Anthonys want the same answers as everyone who has been assigned to investigate and prosecute this case. In an effort to determine the truth, the Anthony family will be available to law enforcement as the investigation continues. As you can imagine, the Anthonys are grieving deeply about this loss. Please respect their privacy and understand they will stand together as a family in order to get through this. Your thoughts and prayers are welcome, but they also ask that you pray for the families who have lost a child under any circumstances. This is a tragic moment in the lives of good and honorable people. Please treat them respectfully so they can grieve with dignity over the loss of this precious child, Caylee Marie Anthony.”

http://www.primewriter.com/blog/?cat=223

I do not see how the Anthony's can work with law enforcement to determine the truth and still support the lies of casey anthony.




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i agree with your post regina. but... i am wondering who they are grieving the most for right now.

[destiny1]

If I were the Anthony's
Baez wouldn't step a FOOT in my door.
Having said that ...
perhaps he was there to answer THEIR questions about Casey's frame of mind, given the outcome.
They may be trying to prepare themselves for how to proceed with this revalation that their daughter killed their granddaughter and they do NOT want to ~share~ as long as she cont's the BS, and perhaps they sent a message back to Casey, stating such.

just thinkin' out loud.
The only thing IMO that I would share with casey is my feelings of total disdain for her. daughter or not. I seriously doubt they accept that they raised a murderer, much less the murderer of their own flesh and blood.

I do, however, believe that the Anthonys have been in touch with Casey via Baez since their last visit. I can't see any other reason for allowing a snake in my front door. He quite possibly will make an attempt to put this murder on one of them. I wouldn't give him any way to analyze me. That's just me though. IMO

[HouseOfClark]

Something still nags at me about the fingerprint issue. I keep thinking that LE found fingerprints besides Casey's at the crime scene and that's why they requested the rest of the Anthony's. Obviously none of theirs were found or they would have taken some of their items during the search warrant. As far as I know there has never been a search warrant at Lee's.


They may have found other fingerprints on the items. But those items, IMO, came from the home and would have naturally had the fingerprints of the residents of the home, even with simple handling or putting on a shelf.

If they have unknown fingerprints that they have not attempted to match or determine who they belong to, the Defense is going to have a field day with that information and it goes to reasonable doubt. I am quite confident that any unknown fingerprints on the items matched to George and/or Cindy or Lee. I do not, however, believe they were involved in Caylee's death or the aftermath of it.

[jammies]

Morning, everyone.

"In their flip-flops". Thats funny! :lol:

I know it seems as though the memorial should be the last thing on their mind, but I look at it like, it is one thing that they can still control. Everything else is falling apart around them. And it gives them something to do. And it is positive. So, I'll leave them alone about it.


Very true: re control.

I just heard that the animals, toys were taken to charity and the cards, flowers etc. were left.

[Regina.Lampert]

Call me hard hearted but I could NOT 'stand by' my daughter who murdered my grandchild, led me down the yellow brick road, and worst of all, has never once shown any sign of remorse.

Until Casey tells the truth, the WHOLE truth, begs for forgiveness, cries some REAL tears for her daughter, she can rot in jail.


You bring up a good point when you mention remorse. I don't know how they can forgive her without her saying she's sorry and just like you have stated, begging for forgiveness.

So, the "sharing" business they want to do with casey anthony really has me disgusted with them again.

[Jeepers]

Good morning everyone. I am hoping that everyone is staying warm and ready for Santa Claus.
I have not posted in a day or two just watching and listening. Being on the outside looking in. I hope that Cindy & George will listen to Mr. Conway and do what is right and honest by Caylee.
I don't know if Baez will try to throw the Anthony's under the bus anything is possible with the team that has been assembled in Casey's defense. Most of us have seen these folks in action and know what they are capable of doing.
I am hoping that George & Cindy when given the opportunity do tell the truth at trial.
I can see the Anthony's wanting to visit Casey but, I think that would be too emotional. What would they say to her? What would she say?
JMO

[cassidy]

Roy Black on GMA. Says the only defense that KC can use is "accidental death". Most likely gave her something to make her sleep while she was out partying. Lots of circumstanial evidence. Asked if he would take case. Said it depends, would have to talk to client first. A really tricky case. JMO

Nope, no way, not buying that . Accidental death? Maybe someone could explain to me how you "accidentily" overdose someone with something you shouldn't be dispensing to them in the first place?

[breezie]

Good morning everyone.

I found this statement by Brad Conway interesting:

Conway said the Anthonys would love to visit their daughter in jail this week and share as a family, but because their conversations are recorded, they are choosing not to.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18318021/detail.html

"love to visit" and "share as a family" I may have to reconsider my opinion that Cynthia and George have left the dark side. What on earth would they be "sharing" with the person who killed Caylee? I am not understanding this statement at all. Anyone have an opinion?


I'm not sure if the words chosen are from G&C or Conway, but his choices are really weird.

when hearing of the ID of Caylee's remains, they were *upset and on edge*.

Now they want to *share as a family* and would *love to visit*.

If it were me, I would use words like *devastated*, *comfort each other* etc.

[playnice]

You bring up a good point when you mention remorse. I don't know how they can forgive her without her saying she's sorry and just like you have stated, begging for forgiveness.

So, the "sharing" business they want to do with casey anthony really has me disgusted with them again.

Remember after one of the vigils Cindy said her and Casey had made peace. I believe Casey gave them an accident story or blamed them for what happened then. Casey and Cindy worked it out. Cindy forgave her.

[Regina.Lampert]

Including me? LOL

I'm just trying to understand why people are so shocked at the Anthonys behavior, that's all.

Again ... humble apologies for offending you with my questions and opinions.

I'm not offended, just annoyed that you talk about posters, instead of the case.

[jammies]

You bring up a good point when you mention remorse. I don't know how they can forgive her without her saying she's sorry and just like you have stated, begging for forgiveness.

So, the "sharing" business they want to do with casey anthony really has me disgusted with them again.

"sharing",,,just strikes me as odd. Or he's already caught a bad case of "Anthony-speak".

[callmetree]

No not at all. But I would have to have one more visit and ask WHY, and if she started rambling on about the nanny I would walk out and that would be it.

i would have to do the same. i would HAVE to ask...

[OneUp]

G'Morning, Lavenia ...
I love the idea of a discussion tonight about why all the vile and hatred of Cindy. Hope I'm able to join in and ~share~ ...

Thanks for your input on this. You are correct in the cursory assessment ... had not given that consideration as I am so curious as to WHAT may be going on in Casey's head.

Had Baez been worth a HOOT, he'd have provided his client with a Psych eval and tried to build her defense in THAT regard, as opposed to what he has/IS doing.

again ...
thanks !!I don't see any big mystery in why so many people focus on Cindy and have a strong reaction to her. She is a "polarizing" and extreme personality...the type of person many of us have had the difficulty of dealing with personally. Further, she continues to seek attention and just won't SHUT UP with her negative and vitriolic comments. Besides being a victim ( I DO think the Anthony's have been vicitmized by Casey, repeatedly), what's there to like about her? .....I'll give her that she DOES keep a neat house, sadly that is the only positive thing I have to say about her based upon what I've witnessed myself.
This, BTW is based not just on her actions during this crisis, but on every bit of background information we have heard on her to date. The ONLY exception I can think of is ONE poster here who stated they knew one of her childhood friends who said she was generous and helpful. Those traits are often the "better" side of being controlling, I know as I'm a rather controlling person myself. I've just learned to step back when my "help" isn't wanted and to channel those "in charge" tendencies where they are helpful such as in organizing for charities, etc. That's something that would have served Cindy well in this crisis, IMO...if she had chosen to "busy" herself with positive works instead of dissembling and trying to run the investigation for Casey's defense ( I think LE can handle that...and Casey DOES have an attorney for her defense).

That person who gave some insight about Cindy to "our" poster also ( if it is even true) knew Cindy long ago. I think one too must keep in mind that Casey's friends *thought* she was a decent mother...a fact that is obviously untrue. That just goes to prove that It's not hard to put on appearances for others in brief intervals.
People don't like Cindy because she is a bossy and difficult person IRL and she rubs folks the wrong way...SHE puts herself out there as the head of the family and thus, critcism of the family falls on her.
IMO, it isn't fair that George get's a "pass" from many...but it is what it is. He tends to stay in the background and make less of a spectacle of himself, and he has given the appearance of cooperation better than Cindy. At the least, he has told the truth to LE a few times and come closer to supporting Casy w/o condoning her actions or making excuses.
I also think people DO tend to hold mothers more liable for how their children turn out than they do fathers. it's not exactly fair, but many times mothers do have more input, and spend more time with their children than fathers...oddly, in this case George has been home to parent far more than Cindy, so I'm surprised more people aren't crticising his job of parenting.
All JMO, but it seems obvious to me why Cindy gets the most ( negative) attention...she seeks it out.

[RJ1]

I'm not offended, just annoyed that you talk about posters, instead of the case.

I was referring to public opinion (which does include posters). My fault, I wasn't aware of the nuances.

Again, sorry for my monumental screw up

[destiny1]

I'm not sure if the words chosen are from G&C or Conway, but his choices are really weird.

when hearing of the ID of Caylee's remains, they were *upset and on edge*.

Now they want to *share as a family* and would *love to visit*.

If it were me, I would use words like *devastated*, *comfort each other* etc.

I believe that those words were overkill in trying to portray people who have presented themselves as self-important controlling deceitful, and in denial.
They are now in the business of salvaging their reputation and trying to avoid prosecution. Although we have no leverage, the court of public opinion obviously is very important to them.

[jammies]

Wendy Murphy on Fox.

[Regina.Lampert]

You know if I wanted to visit with my duaghter I woul dvisit.
If she didn't want to accept the visit that is her choice but no one else would tell me if I could or should.
First of all I don't understand why their lawyer had to make that announcement.
Yes I do I guess he is trying to change the publics view of them.
But IMO he did just the opposite....why should they care if their visit is recorded ...remember this is family time.
Now I dislike their behavior , as my posts reflect, but again I don't see why they are worried about being recorded if they are just having family time.
Actually if it was me I would want to tell my daughter how much I love her but it is time to come clean and admit to what she has done.
Be accountable....I would actually want it to be recorded.

Hi Trich, that statement sure had that effect on me. All weekend I was defending them, positive they now saw the truth and would put Caylee and justice for her first. Now, I am thinking they haven't changed at all.

Very difficult for me to think they are still buying casey anthony's lies.

[Regina.Lampert]

Roy Black on GMA. Says the only defense that KC can use is "accidental death". Most likely gave her something to make her sleep while she was out partying. Lots of circumstanial evidence. Asked if he would take case. Said it depends, would have to talk to client first. A really tricky case. JMO

Oh God no!! I have been praying Roy Black didn't stick his nose into this case. Hope baden puts an end to that, ASAP.

[bchand]

Wendy Murphy on Fox.

ummm thanks but no thanks jammies :) It's much too close to Christmas.

[trich]

I do not see how the Anthony's can work with law enforcement to determine the truth and still support the lies of casey anthony.(snipped)



I agree...they should be at the jail trying to make Casey face up to what she has done and to accept responsibility.

[destiny1]

Hi Trich, that statement sure had that effect on me. All weekend I was defending them, positive they now saw the truth and would put Caylee and justice for her first. Now, I am thinking they haven't changed at all.

Very difficult for me to think they are still buying casey anthony's lies.
I was of the same opinion as you, and I am not so sure they had anything to do with the wording of that statement.

Right now, my main concern is that nobody undeserving is thrown into Caseys fire pit. If they come clean, chances are, they will be able to avoid it.

[lady]

If Casey was truly innocent, she would have first of all called the police the first day Caylee went missing, not gone out partying during the time Caylee was missing, cooperated with everybody and everything to find Caylee, mourned when she found out Caylee had been killed and wanted to be with all her loved ones to grieve together, if she thought somebody had killed her.

[no1what]

They may have found other fingerprints on the items. But those items, IMO, came from the home and would have naturally had the fingerprints of the residents of the home, even with simple handling or putting on a shelf.

If they have unknown fingerprints that they have not attempted to match or determine who they belong to, the Defense is going to have a field day with that information and it goes to reasonable doubt. I am quite confident that any unknown fingerprints on the items matched to George and/or Cindy or Lee. I do not, however, believe they were involved in Caylee's death or the aftermath of it.

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Isn't the finger print matching a verification that no one else came into contact with the evidence except for those who were living in the home and/or the murderer. If no other fingerprints are found other than those in the home then someone in the home committed the crime unless the murderer wore gloves.

IMO it is the same with the trace evidence. If no other trace evidence is found at the crime scene other than that of the fibers found in the Anthony home than that death had to have occured in the home. Or else there would be fibers from TonE's home or foreign fibers from Zanny's home or car.

IMO it is process elimination and as well as verification.

[Texas48]

Good Morning.

IMO, I think George has known from the beginning Caylee was gone.

I think Cindy knew too, but could not face the facts. As long as she kept talking, she did not have to stop and think. I remember the interview when Yuri attempted to point out some of the things Cindy was saying in the media were lies. I had the feeling she was very close to facing facts, but the mother in her just would not let her do it.

I am sure both of them are doing a lot of "we should of" or "if we had only".

George and Cindy have been headed down a path that many of us felt would end in disaster. I have not been a supporter of their statements and actions over the last 6 months, but I do send them my sympathy. I can't imagine their pain. No one should have to bury a child or grandchild.

I saw in several articles George & Cindy donated the toys left at the memorial to the Orlando Union Rescue Mission. Charities are having a very difficult time this year trying to meet the needs of so many. I am sure the toys will be deeply appreciated and loved by children that have so very little.

jmo
Great Post Desmon and ITA. I do believe that George and Cindy knew in their hearts that Caylee was dead and I will always believe they both KNEW that KC killed her. Nothing they can ever say will make be think otherwise. IMO they DID hinder LE w/investigation. Yes...I send them my sympathy but I continue to remember Caylee tossed into the wilderness. I cannot get these thoughts out of my mind no matter how hard I try. jmo

[Jeepers]

[/U]

The issue of showing Casey has a mental illness may be a very cheesy defense in my opinion. The young woman tried too hard to make a story stick from day one to date, altho one would definently assume she must have a mental condition to do something this horrible to her own daughter. Her thought out lies were sensible until they checked them out..
JMO

Good morning Dianna, In my mind it is easier to think someone has a mental defect in order to carry out such a deed on another human being especially a child . My rational is "THEY MUST BE SICK" but when the story is told I then I have to tell myself that it is worse. To realize that evil is real. That when things such as this happens in the world people are capable to inflict such pain and horror on a person and to play sick, mean games with victims hearts and minds. I only have my life experiences to draw from I do not take joy in hurting anyone or anything. I could never intentionally hurt my mom just because I could.
Casey is evil. She looked at her parents eyes she listened to Cindy & George grasping for answers. She enjoyed every minute of it. I just don't understand how a person can have that much hate in their heart.

[Katt2]

They need prints to rule them out. The Anthony home was Caseys too and probably the scene of the crime, I dont think they are going back there for anything related to them, no way did they know or help their daughter cover up her heinous crime, or they would have been in jail a long time ago.

jmo

I was trying to say that LE may have found fingerprints other than Casey's and they were excluding the obvious ones they would expect to find. I wasn't implying the Anthony's had anything to do with it, I know they didn't.
Another poster upthread made me see why they had done this. I was thinking there were unknowns, implicating another person.
I am having duh moments today so I need to stop posting for now.

[jammies]

ummm thanks but no thanks jammies :) It's much too close to Christmas.


I report, you decide :biggrin:

[no1what]

Wendy Murphy on Fox.


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What did Wendy have to say?

[Lavenia]

You bring up a good point when you mention remorse. I don't know how they can forgive her without her saying she's sorry and just like you have stated, begging for forgiveness.

So, the "sharing" business they want to do with casey anthony really has me disgusted with them again.

You said it sister! I'm a big old softie when it comes to remorse and forgiveness. Mess up all you want but tell me you're sorry, OWN IT, learn from it, and I'm all yours again. I understand, all too well, the "human condition". But when someone can't even humble themselves enough to do that and continues the arrogance of denying the guilt... That just burns my biscuits! :cursing:

Reggie, Reggie, Reggie. Got some recipes for ya' Darlin'. :tonguewag:http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-0,crow,FF.html

[destiny1]

Roy Black on GMA. Says the only defense that KC can use is "accidental death". Most likely gave her something to make her sleep while she was out partying. Lots of circumstanial evidence. Asked if he would take case. Said it depends, would have to talk to client first. A really tricky case. JMO

It would still IMO be first degree murder because it occurred while commiting another crime. This is similar to killing someone "accidentally" during a robbery. The robbery in this case would be
1. Leaving the child alone in the first place.
2. Giving the child a controlled substance.
3. Posession of said controlled substance.

I doubt it would wash.

[steffaroob4]

Linking Body to Killer
Police search for evidence linking Casey Anthony to her daughter, Caylee.
http://abcnews.go.com/gma

[OneUp]

Remember after one of the vigils Cindy said her and Casey had made peace. I believe Casey gave them an accident story or blamed them for what happened then. Casey and Cindy worked it out. Cindy forgave her.I do remember that...I tend to feel that Casey gave CINDY a vague confession/excuse at that time and likely prayed with Cindy and the minister to ask God for "forgivness" for failing her daughter. I think George has confronted her more directly and is thus, "the enemy"...that seems to be the norm for them. I'm thinking specifically of the gas can incidents...I don't think he would have been part of that scenario by his own choice and by Casey excluding him as she knows he has had the 411 on her for a long time.

I can see something like what she started to sell to LE in the interviews at Universal...I'm such a bad mom, I'll never forgive myself, this is all my fault, all I did was trust the wrong people. Something that still left her lots of wiggle room on the facts, and shifted the blame to someone else, but made her give the appearance of taking responsibility and feeling badly about Caylee.
JMO.

[anyonesguess]

Lets say there are 2 sets of fingerprints on the duct tape.......


If that roll of duct tape had NOT been used since Casey placed it around Caylee, I would deduct that there were 2 sets of fingerprints on the end piece.

Lets say I take a piece of duct tape to use for something, and tear it with my fingers, then place it back on the shelf because I am done with it.

My husband then comes back later to use it, his fingerprints would be on the END piece as well imo.

Does this make sense?

[OneUp]

They need prints to rule them out. The Anthony home was Caseys too and probably the scene of the crime, I dont think they are going back there for anything related to them, no way did they know or help their daughter cover up her heinous crime, or they would have been in jail a long time ago.

jmo
Mallory...don't you think that LE probably obtained the prints of family and those close to Casey early on? I would think they did so they could exclude them from any evidence that was found throughout the investigation.

[Texas48]

Once again, here is the Anthony's statement:

"As everyone now knows, the remains recovered off Suburban Drive are those of Caylee Marie Anthony. The Anthony family did not give up hope that Caylee was still alive until we were notified by the Orange County Sheriff’s Office at approximately 1:30pm today. The Anthonys want to thank you for your prayers and best wishes that have been said on behalf of Caylee. They now know that their precious granddaughter is safe and hope that she will serve as the angel that protects thousands of missing children and their families. Please continue your prayers for Caylee, the Anthonys and the families that still hope and pray that their children will be found. We would like to thank crime scene investigators for their exhaustive efforts. The Anthonys want the same answers as everyone who has been assigned to investigate and prosecute this case. In an effort to determine the truth, the Anthony family will be available to law enforcement as the investigation continues. As you can imagine, the Anthonys are grieving deeply about this loss. Please respect their privacy and understand they will stand together as a family in order to get through this. Your thoughts and prayers are welcome, but they also ask that you pray for the families who have lost a child under any circumstances. This is a tragic moment in the lives of good and honorable people. Please treat them respectfully so they can grieve with dignity over the loss of this precious child, Caylee Marie Anthony.”

http://www.primewriter.com/blog/?cat=223

I do not see how the Anthony's can work with law enforcement to determine the truth and still support the lies of casey anthony.




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One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. TY Regina and ITA.....NOW it seems George and Cindy want to WORK w/LE? Enough said on my part. Anymore from me would still be ranting. One thing I know for certain is KC does NOT WANT TO FACE CINDY even behind glass. They can all say it is because all is recorded .... I will never believe that statement. jmo

[trich]

Nope, no way, not buying that . Accidental death? Maybe someone could explain to me how you "accidentily" overdose someone with something you shouldn't be dispensing to them in the first place?



You don't ....and you don't throw the body of your child away either.
But then she does not know what "doing the right thing" means.
which is not a legitimate defense the last I heard.

[Regina.Lampert]

I do not see how the Anthony's can work with law enforcement to determine the truth and still support the lies of casey anthony.(snipped)



I agree...they should be at the jail trying to make Casey face up to what she has done and to accept responsibility.

I agree and I also believe that Brad Conway put out exactly what cynthia wanted in that statement. Even the thought that she would relinquish control over that is laughable to me.

[taylor63]

I have a lot of compassion for the Grunds and I send my sympathies to them. There is no doubt in my mind they loved Caylee as one of their own. I can't help but wonder if Jesse was her real daddy, she may have had a chance. :crying:

Even if you are not the biological parent you can love a child every bit as much. It appears this seems to be the case with Jesse. He seems to be such a sweet,caring young man. God bless him,it's just such ashame Casey pushed him out of Caylee's life just like she did with everyone else.

[Texas48]

Okay, come down hard on me if you must, I honestly want to know, but if I were the grand parent in this situation, there is no way on Earth I could or would ever look at the daughter again except in the court room. I thought before I posted this and NO, I would not visit her, support her, or want any contact with her at all ever again. If it turns out to be a mental illness, that might be a different story. Maybe I am more cold-hearted than I thought, but in this situation, she would be out of my life.
Would you think I would be wrong to feel that way? :shrug: I for one will not come down HARD on you CNTM because ITA. I would certainly feel different if this family had NOT hindered the investigation. This baby layed in the wilderness and left for all the critters. This thought will never leave me. jmo

[destiny1]

Linking Body to Killer
Police search for evidence linking Casey Anthony to her daughter, Caylee.
http://abcnews.go.com/gma


Even if there wasn't intent, the recklessness would override it.
Roy Black said that the state only has jury prejudice to prove premeditation.
I disagree.


Does ABC have a transcript section?

[steffaroob4]

Lets say there are 2 sets of fingerprints on the duct tape.......


If that roll of duct tape had NOT been used since Casey placed it around Caylee, I would deduct that there were 2 sets of fingerprints on the end piece.

Lets say I take a piece of duct tape to use for something, and tear it with my fingers, then place it back on the shelf because I am done with it.

My husband then comes back later to use it, his fingerprints would be on the END piece as well imo.

Does this make sense?

I have thought about that, it makes me wonder if Amy's prints might be on it, if she used Amy's tape.

[jammies]

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What did Wendy have to say?


Nothing new. Just a rehash of the weekend.

[rosered]

Oh God no!! I have been praying Roy Black didn't stick his nose into this case. Hope baden puts an end to that, ASAP.

who's roy black? is he another medical examiner?

[OneUp]

Even if you are not the biological parent you can love a child every bit as much. It appears this seems to be the case with Jesse. He seems to be such a sweet,caring young man. God bless him,it's just such ashame Casey pushed him out of Caylee's life just like she did with everyone else.I agree...and I'm glad to see someone besides me mention that.
Love isn't exclusively tied to biology IMO.....nor does biology tie you to love.

[NikkiG77058]

The only way I could possibly understand the Anthony family uniting behind Casey and her defense is if she came completely clean.

Anything less than the truth from Casey should no longer be tolerated - their worst nightmare has been realized so she can't hold anything over their heads anymore.

[destiny1]

who's roy black? is he another medical examiner?
Roy black is THE defense attorney that you want to get in Florida. He is very well thought-of, if you fancy defense attorneys that is.


Acquittal of William Kennedy Smith on rape charges in Palm Beach, Florida
Rush Limbaugh on charges of doctor shopping


Acquittal of Eller Media in charges stemming from the bus-bench electrocution of a 12-year-old boy in Miami


Dismissal of matter involving Albertson's, Inc., when the State of Florida charged the Fortune 500 Company with manslaughter in the death of a shoplifter


Artist Peter Max in New York


South Florida police officers Luis Alvarez and William Lozano


Acquittal of a Miami jewelry supplier and his sales manager on charges they laundered more than $8 million in cocaine profits for Colombian drug lords


Etc.

[Regina.Lampert]

You said it sister! I'm a big old softie when it comes to remorse and forgiveness. Mess up all you want but tell me you're sorry, OWN IT, learn from it, and I'm all yours again. I understand, all too well, the "human condition". But when someone can't even humble themselves enough to do that and continues the arrogance of denying the guilt... That just burns my biscuits!

Reggie, Reggie, Reggie. Got some recipes for ya' Darlin'. :tonguewag:http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-0,crow,FF.html

:lol: LOL, now that recipe -

Mix one cup Old Crow Kentucky Bourbon with 4 ... of Old Crow Kentucky Bourbon.

I can surely live with. However, before we set the Crow Table up, let's just wait a bit longer to be sure the grandparents are still backing this odious creature 100%. We gots time for the Crowfeast.

ITA with you thoughts on forgiveness too, I feel the exact same way.

:wub:

[no1what]

Lets say there are 2 sets of fingerprints on the duct tape.......


If that roll of duct tape had NOT been used since Casey placed it around Caylee, I would deduct that there were 2 sets of fingerprints on the end piece.

Lets say I take a piece of duct tape to use for something, and tear it with my fingers, then place it back on the shelf because I am done with it.

My husband then comes back later to use it, his fingerprints would be on the END piece as well imo.

Does this make sense?


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And maybe some fibers from the clothes you were wearing when you last used the duct tape stuck to the tape that was around Caylee's head.

[rosered]

Roy black is THE defense attorney that you want to get in Florida. He is very well thought-of, if you fancy defense attorneys that is.


Acquittal of William Kennedy Smith on rape charges in Palm Beach, Florida
Rush Limbaugh on charges of doctor shopping


Acquittal of Eller Media in charges stemming from the bus-bench electrocution of a 12-year-old boy in Miami


Dismissal of matter involving Albertson's, Inc., when the State of Florida charged the Fortune 500 Company with manslaughter in the death of a shoplifter


Artist Peter Max in New York


South Florida police officers Luis Alvarez and William Lozano


Acquittal of a Miami jewelry supplier and his sales manager on charges they laundered more than $8 million in cocaine profits for Colombian drug lords


Etc.

thanks, appreciate the info. here i thought that baden was getting jealous of too many ME getting involved, lol. i can't believe on fox yesterday that the panel were dissing on dr jan who is the ME for little caylee. have to see how this plays out. IMHO, there is way too many people involved already.

[destiny1]

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And maybe some fibers from the clothes you were wearing when you last used the duct tape stuck to the tape that was around Caylee's head.

Anything on the adhesive part of that tape that is not on the very end of that tape points to the guity party, be it prints or fibers.

[Regina.Lampert]

who's roy black? is he another medical examiner?

IMO, he's a very talented defense attorney. He got William Kennedy Smith off the rape charge. If ever I was in serious trouble, he's the one I would call.

I don't want him anywhere near this case.

[Lavenia]

However, I think its shocking she didn't toss Caylee into the garbage, its shocking she was so close to home. She can say it was an accident, which I doubt, but she needs to do something, or maybe she will be stupid, hopefully, try to get a jury to believe Zenaida did it, and she will be put in prison for the rest of her life, anything less in not acceptable.

jmo

Good Morning MalloryCat! Last night another poster made me realize with a sickening realization that the only reason Caylee was so close to home was Casey was such a loser that she hadn't stolen enough gas money to get her any further away. :cursing:

[destiny1]

thanks, appreciate the info. here i thought that baden was getting jealous of too many ME getting involved, lol. i can't believe on fox yesterday that the panel were dissing on dr jan who is the ME for little caylee. have to see how this plays out. IMHO, there is way too many people involved already.


I have placed FOX temporarily on ignore. TY. Too much unnecessary grandstandfing gloating and plain old MISINFORMING the public IMO.
They seem to have a vested interest in Caseys defense.

[rosered]

Good Morning MalloryCat! Last night another poster made me realize with a sickening realization that the only reason Caylee was so close to home was Casey was such a loser that she hadn't stolen enough gas money to get her any further away. :cursing:

omg! i just love your tag line at the bottome. this is so much me, lol. :lol:

[playnice]

Wonder when the next doc dump is coming? It may be a big one.

[?noanswer]

Oh God no!! I have been praying Roy Black didn't stick his nose into this case. Hope baden puts an end to that, ASAP.

I think he was just a "guest" lawyer giving his opinion. Reading between the lines, I got that he thought she was guilty and the only thing that might possiblly be a defense would be the "accidental death" theory. I don't get the idea he was going to be on the case. JMO

[snowflakes]

Seeing that for now, there's no COD, if I were Casey, i would tell everyone that Caylee accidentally drowned. Then I would say I was so distraught and guilty about it, I just had to get rid of her body.
She just might get away with it.

(Forgetting about the computer searches, Blockbuster, etc.)

[?noanswer]

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Isn't the finger print matching a verification that no one else came into contact with the evidence except for those who were living in the home and/or the murderer. If no other fingerprints are found other than those in the home then someone in the home committed the crime unless the murderer wore gloves.

IMO it is the same with the trace evidence. If no other trace evidence is found at the crime scene other than that of the fibers found in the Anthony home than that death had to have occured in the home. Or else there would be fibers from TonE's home or foreign fibers from Zanny's home or car.

IMO it is process elimination and as well as verification.


I'll bet also that if anyone in the A family knew their fingerprints would be on anything recovered from the crime scene and that if they were involved, they would be sitting on LE's doorsteps asking for immunity. Any fingerprints inside the bag would probably indicate the person those prints belong to would be involved. JMO

[rosered]

I'll bet also that if anyone in the A family knew their fingerprints would be on anything recovered from the crime scene and that if they were involved, they would be sitting on LE's doorsteps asking for immunity. Any fingerprints inside the bag would probably indicate the person those prints belong to would be involved. JMO

could be a reason why cindy and george are asking for immunity? hmmmm......:confused:

[Ellie]

What does it have to do with our lives? This is a discussion forum for the case of Caylee Anthony. We're here to discuss all aspects of that case, it is what we enjoy doing.

Your little lecture is unnecessary, imo.

I think the poster was simply saying or suggesting to others to try to back off of the Anthony slamming for the week, seeing as it's Christmas and all. I didn't feel like it was a lecture.

I have been so glad to see a lot of sympathy for the Anthony's around here lately though. And while I agree that IF G & C are still 'supporting' Casey after all that's been told, they need to reevaluate. But as usual, we only know what people are choosing to tell us... we have no idea what's going on behind closed doors. But I do think that G&C not visiting Casey in jail is very telling, regardless of the reason we're being told. Maybe it really is because they will be recorded... and the questions they want to ask Casey aren't for public consumtion (such as "why?").

[cassidy]

Yeah, well just asking but where is there any statement by the ME that there was an overdose involved in this baby's death? And just to play devil's advocate here, someone on the news was saying the other day that if the baby had gotten into the garage, for insance, and drank her granddaddy's antifreeze and dropped dead, and Casey panicked and covered it up, the only thing Casey would be guilty of is desicrating of a corpse and that is a misdemeanor in Florida. Of course, that does not explain duct tape on the baby's mouth, but again, the ME did not confirm that either. I think we are putting the cart before the horse and making assumptions here and jumping to conclusions. I keep hearing Leonard Padilla's words in my head saying "when the truth comes out in Court it will shock the world" and Baez saying to the media "you don't know half of the story. You don't." We will have to wait until the trial.

There isn't any statement from the ME regarding an "accidental" death. I was responding to speculation that may be what the defense goes with. And I said sorry, not buying that. (Not that it matters what I buy or don't buy), Just MPO. But if the defense does go with "accidental" ( no matter what they call "accidental") it still doesn't explain why Casey has been sitting in jail for months with her mouth closed facing murder charges, does it? I do understand panic, but that period passed long long ago.


JMPHO

[Lavenia]

omg! i just love your tag line at the bottome. this is so much me, lol. :lol:

LOL, TY, I think that's what keeps a lot of us alive!

I'm glad to see you posting! :seeya:

(Does anyone know what happened to InSession today? Are they even bothering with repeating trials now?)

[mybabydoll]

could be a reason why cindy and george are asking for immunity? hmmmm......:confused:

Is the immunity still on the table? I haven't heard anything about it since that one day it was reported. Conway said he was going to go ask for immunity later in the week. Then the metor reader news broke and we heard nothing more about it.

[marshmallow]

Roy black is THE defense attorney that you want to get in Florida. He is very well thought-of, if you fancy defense attorneys that is.
Etc.
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and he didn't jump onto the Casey defense team, that says a lot to me about him and about Casey's case.

[ellegna]

However, I think its shocking she didn't toss Caylee into the garbage, its shocking she was so close to home. She can say it was an accident, which I doubt, but she needs to do something, or maybe she will be stupid, hopefully, try to get a jury to believe Zenaida did it, and she will be put in prison for the rest of her life, anything less in not acceptable.

jmo

I think it's more shocking a mother killed her child rather than where she chose to dispose her body. :angry:

[Lavenia]

Yeah, but that could be argued she did have enough gas to get to the Amscott where there was a dumpster, she could have been the ultimate monster and tossed her, like some thought she did, but thankfully she can be laid to rest and Caseys games are almost over, HOPEFULLY!

Good morning!

Sorry, involves lifting. :sad:

[Lavenia]

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and he didn't jump onto the Casey defense team, that says a lot to me about him and about Casey's case.

What that a defense attorney has scruples? (sorry) :blink:

[alisa31235]

Hello all..........i read daily but dont post often i just read where lee hired a defense attorney i dont understand why the family is hiring defense attorneys unless thay are gulity of something no matter how big or small i say this as i have had to deal with the murder of my dad no one not no one in my family even mentioned hiring an attorney the state was on our side this is JMO

[steffaroob4]

Caylee Anthony Murder Charges: Grandparents, Cindy and George Anthony, Won't Face Charges Says Lawyer
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/22/caylee-anthony-murder-cha_n_152805.html)

This morning on the "The Early Show," Brady Conway, the lawyer for Cindy and George Anthony, told anchor Debbye Turner Bell that he's "been told by the state attorney's office and the Orange County Sheriff's Office that no charges are in the--are in the works." The full transcript is below.


Caylee's Grandparents Expect No Charges (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/22/national/main4681516.shtml)
"They have done absolutely nothing wrong. The Anthony's cooperated fully from the beginning. In fact, they gave evidence before any warrants were ever issued or signed by a judge," Conway said on CBS' The Early Show.

[Lavenia]

MSNBC supposed to be having something coming up soon.

[destiny1]

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and he didn't jump onto the Casey defense team, that says a lot to me about him and about Casey's case.

I can't imagine any defense attorney wanting a case like this. Caylee is adored, and any defense attorney representing her murderer is going to be villified.

[taylor63]

Okay, come down hard on me if you must, I honestly want to know, but if I were the grand parent in this situation, there is no way on Earth I could or would ever look at the daughter again except in the court room. I thought before I posted this and NO, I would not visit her, support her, or want any contact with her at all ever again. If it turns out to be a mental illness, that might be a different story. Maybe I am more cold-hearted than I thought, but in this situation, she would be out of my life.
Would you think I would be wrong to feel that way? :shrug:

Honestly,I think your speaking out of anger over this whole tragic situation. Your grieving for that beautiful little child, and that is very understandable. I don't think your coldhearted at all. Me personally? I could never stop loving the child I gave birth to, or turn my back on that child.

Even if they did something as henious as Casey did. That being said,if I thought my daughter had killed my grandchild as sad as it would be I would defintely want her to be honest and accept the consequences for her actions. However,I would still be there for her.

I would be heartbroken and devastated beyond words if I were in the Anthony families shoes, and had a grandchild that was murdered, and my daughter was accused. I can't begin to imagine having to deal with that kind of grief ever, and especially around Christmas, makes it even harder.

Christmas is when children should get excited and be joyful about baby Jesus being born, and the Christmas trees and the lights,and visiting Santa and getting presents.

I noticed the Anthony family wanted to donate the toys at the memorial for Caylee to underprivleged children in their area. That was such a beautiful gesture to me. I can't think of anything much more sad then a little child waking up on Christmas morning all hopeful and excited, then being disapointed and heartbroken because they got no toys.

I went to my church last night, every year they have a service called "Christimas without them",it's specifically for people who have lost a loved one the previous year or years past. You don't even have to be a member to attend. It's such a beautiful service.

It's ashame more churches don't have this. Christmas can be such a hard time,especially if your grieving the loss of a loved one. At the end of the service, you are allowed to go up to the front and light a candle in memory of a loved one you lost. I lit a candle for my dad who passed a decade ago,and my aunt who died of breast cancer. I also lit one for Caylee, even though I never knew her, I have grown to love her like so many other's have.

[Neffy]

IMO, he's a very talented defense attorney. He got William Kennedy Smith off the rape charge. If ever I was in serious trouble, he's the one I would call.

I don't want him anywhere near this case.

I have to admit as soon as I heard/read that name my innerself screamed "OH NO" as my eyes turned to ping pong balls looking at the screen.

He seems to agree that this case doesn't look good and also acknowledged that her only way out due to no cause of death is to claim the "accidental death". It's still homicide but a lesser degree.

[mybabydoll]

WELCOME mybabydoll!! Glad to have you on the board!

I was asking last night before this board turned into a atacck fest for some posters.

I dont think anyone else has mentioned it. I also think, now that the body has been released for burial, we may just be on hold to get the funeral and memorial services over with. I haven't heard any more about if the A's will hae a private or public service (or both) last night there was a lot of speculation about BOTH.

I think things will be quiet up until that point...but I can promise you the day after, we will see the A's prancing up to have a long discussion with LE and thier lawyer.

Thank you Sassy. I think that something is going on behind the scenes w/them. You don't ask for "immunity" unless you need it. What is the penalty for obstruction of justice? Is that enough of a problem to ask for immunity?

[marshmallow]

What that a defense attorney has scruples? (sorry) :blink:


funny :biggrin: it shows my state of mind (overcaffinated, too much time baking) that I never even thought of that :lol:

[cg007]

I have to admit as soon as I heard/read that name my innerself screamed "OH NO" as my eyes turned to ping pong balls looking at the screen.

He seems to agree that this case doesn't look good and also acknowledged that her only way out due to no cause of death is to claim the "accidental death". It's still homicide but a lesser degree.


I was going to ask the question why she doesn't come clean and make up the claim "accidental death?" How much less time would she get? Unless the defense thinks they can get her off.......jmo

[playnice]

I was going to ask the question why she doesn't come clean and make up the claim "accidental death?" How much less time would she get? Unless the defense thinks they can get her off.......jmo

That would probably be the smart thing to do but will this benefit the dream team? Not much to write about in their books. I dont think they will allow it. I think they have locked their self into the nanny story and dont see how they can change that now which will be the end of Casey.

[Barbara fl.]

Seeing that for now, there's no COD, if I were Casey, i would tell everyone that Caylee accidentally drowned. Then I would say I was so distraught and guilty about it, I just had to get rid of her body.
She just might get away with it.

(Forgetting about the computer searches, Blockbuster, etc.)


She would never get away with accidental death theory...

* How would she explain that on the very day that she wanted to leave her parents home, following a gigantic blowup, that she called her boyfriend and asked if she could stay by him and he said yes but not with Caylee?

* How would she explain that her boyfriend "Tone" didn't see Caylee from that day on?

* How would she explain, that following an accident, that she was up to putting tape over her daughters mouth...put her in a garbage bag...drive her body around in the trunk of her car long enough for it to start smelling?.....

* How could she possibly say that she panicked but was not distraught of the loss of her daughter?.....Could she have possibly have panicked to the point that she would not be feeling the loss of her child?

* Now, we get to the computer look ups in March....."missing children", "How to make chloroform", "How to make house hold weapons"....and what ever else was on her computer....

There is no way that this could possibly be changed from murder to accident.....just no way....too mush circumstantial evidence to change that....jmo

[cassidy]

Even if she "comes clean" with an accident story, the prosecution will pres on with HOMICIDE charges. Her actions speak OTHER than that of a greiving mommy who went through a terrible accident and tried to cover it.

I personally think if she did that it would hurt her more.

The time to claim it was an accident came and went many months ago.. IMO

[steffaroob4]

12/19/2008 a amended state witness list filed

[mybabydoll]

I think it is pretty serious...

http://www.agoodlawyer.com/florida/orlando/state_crimes/law95.htm

Thanks again Sassy. That is pretty serious. It seems that this Conway really feels the need to speak right now. Why is that?

[trich]

MSNBC supposed to be having something coming up soon.

I have been watching MSNBC and they show bits and pieces from Jessies inteview this morning ( I think it was on good morning ).
Also saying that the LE took clothes and shoes belonging to Casey and Caylee. Which says that they are comparing or finding something that should be there that isn't or visa versa

I actually heard their defense attorney (talking head) say that jurors do not like liars first of all.
Also if the LE has any kind of forensic evidence along with her lies well she thinks she will be proven guilty.
That is the first defense attorney that didn't sound so ridiculous with a suppose defense.

[destiny1]

Thank you Sassy. I think that something is going on behind the scenes w/them. You don't ask for "immunity" unless you need it. What is the penalty for obstruction of justice? Is that enough of a problem to ask for immunity?

we keep hearing obstruction, but depending on what they actually did to impede this investigation, they could be in the accessory after the fact or hindering prosecution categories. I'm not sure, but to know and still assist in a coverup equals accessory after the fact. willful misrepresentation of facts (lying) during official interviews with LE equals obstruction and depending on their legal positions hindering.

We will see.

[trich]

Thanks again Sassy. That is pretty serious. It seems that this Conway really feels the need to speak right now. Why is that?


Exactly what are these Attorneys for the Anthonys doing...do they think this is a good way to advertise their expertise.
Not sure if they are doing themselves a dis service.

[Barbara fl.]

That would probably be the smart thing to do but will this benefit the dream team? Not much to write about in their books. I dont think they will allow it. I think they have locked their self into the nanny story and dont see how they can change that now which will be the end of Casey.



Your right...the only reason that Linda Baden came on this team is to show herself on tv for the trial...I'm willing to bet that this case WILL be televised unlike the Scott Peterson case....

She has become over confident following the PS case....But, my opinion is that this case will bring her back down to size......

[NikkiG77058]

January,

Where did you hear that the ME said Caylee died from getting into GA's anti-freeze? Can you please provide a link?

Confused about where you get your news - 1st it was that Lee was the father of Caylee and now this...

TIA

[mybabydoll]

She would never get away with accidental death theory...

* How would she explain that on the very day that she wanted to leave her parents home, following a gigantic blowup, that she called her boyfriend and asked if she could stay by him and he said yes but not with Caylee?

* How would she explain that her boyfriend "Tone" didn't see Caylee from that day on?

* How would she explain, that following an accident, that she was up to putting tape over her daughters mouth...put her in a garbage bag...drive her body around in the trunk of her car long enough for it to start smelling?.....

* How could she possibly say that she panicked but was not distraught of the loss of her daughter?.....Could she have possibly have panicked to the point that she would not be feeling the loss of her child?

* Now, we get to the computer look ups in March....."missing children", "How to make chloroform", "How to make house hold weapons"....and what ever else was on her computer....

There is no way that this could possibly be changed from murder to accident.....just no way....too mush circumstantial evidence to change that....jmo

I agree w/you. I can't see her getting off on this no matter what she says now. She dug herself in pretty good hole. Her dream team may think this is a challenge, and they can beat it. I don't see how.

[Barbara fl.]

I dont think its been proven or released by LE that Lazzaro said that to Casey about her not bringing Caylee.

It is just rumor for now that there was duct tape around the mouth, kinda hard since there was no soft tissue left.

The computer she was using was shared, George and cindy said in the past they followed the Duckett case, maybe they looked at a website of missing kids?


jmo


Sorry...not buying any of it.....and doubt that any juror would either....

[destiny1]

She should come clean and the defense would say, you are going to see the mind of someone who has experienced such a tragic trauma, she freaked out, the child was found in the pool, and then here we are today, all her actions are going to try to be blamed on how the mind can work when in shock, its basically the only thing she can do, and I personally hope they try to be absurd with the Zenaida story because no one is going to buy that.

jmo

Good Morning Mallorycat,
I can't see that either defense is workable at this time. Her actions immediately after caylees death could be construed as shock, although she showed no symptoms except for, and this is stretching it, dissociation, to the point of GOING TO BLOCKBUSTER and subsequent PARTYING. If she had snapped out of it and said "Cayl;ee drowned, etc, then she would have a miniscule chance.

As for Zenaida defense, I won't discuss. Too absurd.

[Neffy]

I was going to ask the question why she doesn't come clean and make up the claim "accidental death?" How much less time would she get? Unless the defense thinks they can get her off.......jmo


Casey is incapable of telling the truth. After leading LE to her imaginary job at Universal, talking her way thru the gate without an ID badge with LE in tow and not acknowledging that she doesn't even work there until cornered is most telling. I can't fathom any 22 year old that is that unscupulous or brazen to do that.

Her whole story centered around working at universal from the imaginary phone and even needing a Nanny because of work.

She has got to be one of the most unnerving people I've ever came across.

If Baez thinks he can get her off he's a fool. What came from Roy Blacks mouth this a.m. I'd take to the bank.

[Barbara fl.]

Exactly what are these Attorneys for the Anthonys doing...do they think this is a good way to advertise their expertise.
Not sure if they are doing themselves a dis service.


These attorney's come out of the woodwork every time there is a high profile case...This case became the biggest in a long time and they are not going to blow the opportunity to be involved in it....

It will be for the publicity ONLY....They all could care less about Casey...And they ALL know good and well she is guilty as charged....

[mybabydoll]

we keep hearing obstruction, but depending on what they actually did to impede this investigation, they could be in the accessory after the fact or hindering prosecution categories. I'm not sure, but to know and still assist in a coverup equals accessory after the fact. willful misrepresentation of facts (lying) during official interviews with LE equals obstruction and depending on their legal positions hindering.

We will see.

Hi Destiny. I guess this defense attorney is saying that no charges are going to be filed against them. Do you think this is true? Would Conway have to be told if they were under investigation?

[destiny1]

I have been watching MSNBC and they show bits and pieces from Jessies inteview this morning ( I think it was on good morning ).
Also saying that the LE took clothes and shoes belonging to Casey and Caylee. Which says that they are comparing or finding something that should be there that isn't or visa versa

I actually heard their defense attorney (talking head) say that jurors do not like liars first of all.
Also if the LE has any kind of forensic evidence along with her lies well she thinks she will be proven guilty.
That is the first defense attorney that didn't sound so ridiculous with a suppose defense.

Probably the first defense attorney that didn't work for FOX in some capacity, sad to say.

The jury is going to hear about the conflicting stories.
The jury is going to hear about caseys behavior.
The jury is going to draw the right conclusions.

[mybabydoll]

I dont think its been proven or released by LE that Lazzaro said that to Casey about her not bringing Caylee.

It is just rumor for now that there was duct tape around the mouth, kinda hard since there was no soft tissue left.

The computer she was using was shared, George and cindy said in the past they followed the Duckett case, maybe they looked at a website of missing kids?


jmo

This is a bad question: I am sorry. If there is no soft tissue on the tape. Then there was no duct tape on the skull and this is all a rumor?

[marshmallow]

Hi Destiny. I guess this defense attorney is saying that no charges are going to be filed against them. Do you think this is true? Would Conway have to be told if they were under investigation?


I would imagine if any charges are going to be filed they wouldn't be filed until after the Holidays.

[Ellie]

I dont think its been proven or released by LE that Lazzaro said that to Casey about her not bringing Caylee.

It is just rumor for now that there was duct tape around the mouth, kinda hard since there was no soft tissue left. --Not really... if it's wrapped all the way around the head and taped end over end, it would definitely hold, and is the reason they got the hair samples too... the tape held the hair in place. :sad:

The computer she was using was shared, George and cindy said in the past they followed the Duckett case, maybe they looked at a website of missing kids? -- But 'neck breaking', 'how to make weapons out of household items', 'how to make chloroform'.... the missing kids websites isn't anything compared to these things....


jmo

I thought it was so ironic that Amy sent Casey a text regarding the duct tape....

[cg007]

Even if she "comes clean" with an accident story, the prosecution will pres on with HOMICIDE charges. Her actions speak OTHER than that of a greiving mommy who went through a terrible accident and tried to cover it.

I personally think if she did that it would hurt her more.

Great point!

[destiny1]

Hi Destiny. I guess this defense attorney is saying that no charges are going to be filed against them. Do you think this is true? Would Conway have to be told if they were under investigation?
So far, there are no charges in the works for the Anthonys. They may have more pressing issues right now, considering the massive amount of evidence there is to sift through and organize against casey.

I think that they have knowingly broken the law, and the attorney originally said he would seek immunity for that, and that is independent of anything the state is actually doing.

[mybabydoll]

I would imagine if any charges are going to be filed they wouldn't be filed until after the Holidays.

What I wanted to know is IF the defense attorney would have to be told that they were under investigation IF they are?

[destiny1]

This is a bad question: I am sorry. If there is no soft tissue on the tape. Then there was no duct tape on the skull and this is all a rumor?
The tape could remain around the skull after the soft tissue had disentigrated. Simple laws of gravity.

[mybabydoll]

So far, there are no charges in the works for the Anthonys. They may have more pressing issues right now, considering the massive amount of evidence there is to sift through and organize against casey.

I think that they have knowingly broken the law, and the attorney originally said he would seek immunity for that, and that is independent of anything the state is actually doing.

It is Casey who is in deep trouble. He is only for the grandparents. I really don't know why he wants to make so many statements. Seems if there is nothing to defend them for. Then wasting money on him speaking is a waste?

[*MoonRider*]

I would imagine if any charges are going to be filed they wouldn't be filed until after the Holidays.

I heard a TH comment that it would be unlikely for them to file charges against the Anthony's because they need them as witnesses in the case. Once the trial is over would be a whole new ball game. JMO

[mybabydoll]

I dont think the LE has confirmed there was duct tape around the head, but considering it has been released there was no soft tissue, you would have to wonder how could tape be around the mouth, when the skin would slide and rot off what would the tape have held to?

So for now its a unconfirmed rumor, I wouldn't rule it out, but all speculation at this point.

This is going to be important. I do feel if there was duct tape the FBI will understand this evidence and it will be important to the case.

[VC2]

Hey Regina!

This line has stood out to me from the day it was stated. I think it means they will continue to stand by Casey.

Please respect their privacy and understand they will stand together as a family in order to get through this.

I don't believe they have accepted the horrible fact Casey is responsible for the loss of their precious granddaughter. Maybe it's all too much to absorb at one time ? Or they just can't admit it to the public yet?

I hope they will grieve in private and not jump right back on camera and start throwing "everybody but Casey" under the bus.

All JMO

It is quite possible to stand by their daughter as parents while condemning her actions. Many a parent has had to tell their child that while they love them they cannot condone what they did. The love doesnt change, they are there as parents but want them to pay for what they did.

[mybabydoll]

The tape could remain around the skull after the soft tissue had disentigrated. Simple laws of gravity.

The other poster says that the duct tape was just a rumor. I am not sure, because the duct tape is said to have come from Amy.

[destiny1]

Um, gravity pulls things down.

And it has nothing to do with gravity, it has to do with the chemistry of a decomposing body, it is not possible for tape to be stuck to the skull, it does not re-adhesive itself to the bone.It does not have to be STUCK to stay in place enough to determine its original position around the skull in the vicinity of the mouth.

This is very simople and we have all gone over it ad nauseum in past discussions.

it has to do w i t h g r a v i t y that the tape was held in place. a piece of tape could stay around a skull IF IT HAD NOT ROLLED and even if it had

Go read up on the laws of physics and chemistry for that matter. It is quite enlightening.

[Spring]

What does it have to do with our lives? This is a discussion forum for the case of Caylee Anthony. We're here to discuss all aspects of that case, it is what we enjoy doing.

Your little lecture is unnecessary, imo.



Same story.....different year huh scamp? I'm with you. I just don't understand that statement. I don't think we'llsee a real change in the Anthoneys. Where do you think Casey learned her bad acting skills.

BTW...If I really wanted to see my child I wouldn't care if it was recorded.

[?noanswer]

I thought it was so ironic that Amy sent Casey a text regarding the duct tape....

Thankfully, there were lots of text messages. Those messages are documented evidence. JMO

[?noanswer]

Um, gravity pulls things down.

And it has nothing to do with gravity, it has to do with the chemistry of a decomposing body, it is not possible for tape to be stuck to the skull, it does not re-adhesive itself to the bone.

There was hair between the skull and duct tape, if there was duct tape. I think the dt would still have been stuck on some of the hair. JMO

[?noanswer]

Well, its more than simple to find out if its a rumor, I guess you could read what has been reported by LE and there has not been a mention of duct tape by them, so thats my source.

I don't think LE has released any information re the body crime scene. When/if the defense requests that info, then the media can requests as per the sunshine law. JMO

[mybabydoll]

Absolutley not.

You are so sweet to answer so much for me. Thank you very much.

[trich]

The tape could remain around the skull after the soft tissue had disentigrated. Simple laws of gravity.


I agree ...that is very sticky stuff.
Anyone who has ever used it knows.

[Mimi428]

Oh yeah, right. They're not going to the jail because of being taped. :rolleyes: Like someone else said, IF they thought Casey was innocent, they would've been at the jail in a NY nanosecond to support her in her time of grief - cameras/recorder be damned. They know.

Baez probably encouraged them not to go: In his mind, he's probably concerned that his client may blurt something out that he'll have a hard time defending. It's to his (ultimately his client's) advantage to keep her entirely insulated at this point.

But what can they possibly do if Casey refuses to see them? I believe that she WOULD refuse to see them.

As you pointed out, it is to the advantage of the defense for there to be no tapes of Casey whatsoever - & there is no way to get around the laws in Florida which get her visits on tape. So Baez has motive, easy to comprehend, in advising Casey to NOT accept visitors.

I think it also accomplishes something very important to Casey - it punishes her parents. I agree with the criminal profiler (the one with the hypenated last name) who has been on NG & who remarked that she believed part of the reason why Casey left & why she probably murdered Caylee was to 'get back at' her parents - to punish them. And if that was her motive, then I can well imagine that part of her thoughts have been, "well, I sure showed THEM".

JMO

[bballgrl]

Same story.....different year huh scamp? I'm with you. I just don't understand that statement. I don't think we'llsee a real change in the Anthoneys. Where do you think Casey learned her bad acting skills.

BTW...If I really wanted to see my child I wouldn't care if it was recorded.


Hi Spring how you be??? :biggrin:

[lonetraveler]

Either that or they simply do not want to look at her face because they know she is responsible for Caylee's death.


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I agree with you. I don't think the Anthonys can look her in the face without the urge to strangle her. I don't think they can ask how she is doing while knowing that this is all her work that has thrown the entire family into grief. I don't think they could force any "sharing of grief with the one who caused it and took their beloved granddaughter away from them". There definitely is "an act that your own child can commit that is so horrible that you can not forgive or forget". Casey said it herself when LE asked if she did something to Caylee and if she was afraid of Cindy when she stated that she was petrified and that Cindy would never forgive her. IMO, the Anthonys are grieving for losing both daughter and granddaughter. It may be easier for them if they pretend that Casey is also dead than to see and accept that she murdered their granddaughter.

[trich]

Thankfully, there were lots of text messages. Those messages are documented evidence. JMO

Text messages and testimony from the lies she told her "friends" combined with forensics are going to prove the obvious.
Casey killed Caylee.

[OneUp]

There was hair between the skull and duct tape, if there was duct tape. I think the dt would still have been stuck on some of the hair. JMO
Yes...or if the tape was looped around the head ( isn't this entire subject just dreadful?)...or if the bag was wrapped and taped tightly around the contents it might stay in the original area until it stuck again ( not from the original adhesive, but from fats, etc. present in the body)..or if the place the tape was in was resting on the bottom of the bag with weight upon it.
I find it difficult to believe it would remain in any place where it's use could be determined though, just because of the mention of animal activity and the remains being scattered.
We will surely find out in time. If there IS evidence of tape being used...that will be very damning for Casey IMO.
It's all so nasty to think about...but it IS important when this goes to trial and I hope every aspect of potential evidence is as intact as possible.
JMO.

[mybabydoll]

Well, its more than simple to find out if its a rumor, I guess you could read what has been reported by LE and there has not been a mention of duct tape by them, so thats my source.

I understand what you are saying. We wait and see what the investigation reveals. I do think this girl is guilty and it would not be surprising if she put the duct tape on the little baby girl. She has no soul. To move the baby from her trunk over two days later. Anyone who could do that, maybe they can do anything.

[Spring]

Hi Spring how you be??? :biggrin:

Hey girl! I was just wondering about you the other day. Even though I read here every day I still miss a lot of posts.
This one has me hooked. All my free time goes to little Caylee. I can't wait for the trial of the monster that murdered her.

[OneUp]

I understand what you are saying. We wait and see what the investigation reveals. I do think this girl is guilty and it would not be surprising if she put the duct tape on the little baby girl. She has no soul. To move the baby from her trunk over two days later. Anyone who could do that, maybe they can do anything.
I totally agree with that! Any mother who could put their baby into a trash bag and dispose of her carelessly like garbage is undeserving of the honor of being called mother...it takes a souless monster to do such a thing IMO.

[tisamystery]

Question:

I haven't followed this to the extent many of you have so maybe you can clear this up for me:

As I understand it, Casey and Caylee disappeared for awhile. Then Cindy and George got word of the car being towed. Cindy noticed the car smelled like a "dead body". Then Cindy went on the hunt to find Casey. Was Cindy's first contact with Casey (in person or telephone) only AFTER she found the car?

If this is the case, isn't it odd that Cindy didn't immediately contact the authorities when she discovered the car's odor? If my child went missing, I didn't hear from him and then I found his car and it had the "smell fo death", my first step would be to cal lthe police, not to go searching for him to find out what happened.

And if Cindy did go on the hunt for Casey based on this, what would make her presume the source of the "dead body" wasn't Casey herself?

[DoubleFelix]

I dont think the LE has confirmed there was duct tape around the head, but considering it has been released there was no soft tissue, you would have to wonder how could tape be around the mouth, when the skin would slide and rot off what would the tape have held to?

So for now its a unconfirmed rumor, I wouldn't rule it out, but all speculation at this point.

This is simply a POSSIBILITY: it is NOT to start rumors. There could have been lip impressions left on the sticky part of the duct tape; no soft tissue, but indications that it had been on her mouth. Again, this is NOT FACT, just something I've thought could have been possible.

[trich]

I don't think LE has released any information re the body crime scene. When/if the defense requests that info, then the media can requests as per the sunshine law. JMO
Exactly....most of the information we have gotten since the body was discovered is second and third hand information.
Some of which we have seen from pictures posted.
I do believe a book was found....yes it looked like the one she was reading on the video but time will tell.
The duck tape seems to be mentioned by everyone familiar with the case.
I am not sure if it was mentioned when the ME made her statement about IDing the skeleton or not.
But if there was no tape involved I will be surprised.
I also heard the bag had tape around it also.
I suspect we will not be hearing too much more about evidence found until they go to trial.

[playnice]

Question:

I haven't followed this to the extent many of you have so maybe you can clear this up for me:

As I understand it, Casey and Caylee disappeared for awhile. Then Cindy and George got word of the car being towed. Cindy noticed the car smelled like a "dead body". Then Cindy went on the hunt to find Casey. Was Cindy's first contact with Casey (in person or telephone) only AFTER she found the car?

If this is the case, isn't it odd that Cindy didn't immediately contact the authorities when she discovered the car's odor? If my child went missing, I didn't hear from him and then I found his car and it had the "smell fo death", my first step would be to cal lthe police, not to go searching for him to find out what happened.

And if Cindy did go on the hunt for Casey based on this, what would make her presume the source of the "dead body" wasn't Casey herself?

Car abandoned. smell of death. Daughter & granddaughter missing. Call 911. which leaves cindy tracking down Casey and forcing her to come home, not even asking at that time where Caylee was. Bet when Casey left she told Cindy she wouldnt see Caylee again. George suspected even at the moment he smelled the car it was Caylee.
Seems like they knew then what their daughter was capable of.

[StillEG]

Car abandoned. smell of death. Daughter & granddaughter missing. Call 911. which leaves cindy tracking down Casey and forcing her to come home, not even asking at that time where Caylee was. Bet when Casey left she told Cindy she wouldnt see Caylee again. George suspected even at the moment he smelled the car it was Caylee.
Seems like they knew then what their daughter was capable of.


Cindy and Casey had texted each other. George had seen Casey when he wanted to check the trunk for the gas cans
Cindy did ask where Caylee was, told Casey she was taking her to the police station if she didn't take her to Caylee. Took her home, called 911

[mybabydoll]

I totally agree with that! Any mother who could put their baby into a trash bag and dispose of her carelessly like garbage is undeserving of the honor of being called mother...it takes a souless monster to do such a thing IMO.

Casey is a lesson to everyone. This is evil in an innocent looking package. To pass this girl in the streets before this happened. You would never know just how evil she was. Scary isn't it?

[SavannahStar]

Thank you for that message.

This is a great post, to take to heart.

I thought it was a wonderful post as well.

[playnice]

I hope Tony Lazzaro learned not to hit up random chicks on the internet also.


He will probably be gun shy for a long time.

[OneUp]

Casey is a lesson to everyone. This is evil in an innocent looking package. To pass this girl in the streets before this happened. You would never know just how evil she was. Scary isn't it?It is scarier that in fact, we all probably know at least a handful of people just like her. Conservative estimates are that 4% of the population is sociopathic...that means one of every twenty-five people you know on average. Now THAT"S truely scary given how any people most of us know at least peripherally!
I've seen evil incarnate in a young and beautiful girl. I've lived with that evil and seen how handily it passes itself off as normal to most people. Once you've encountered it, you never look upon ANY other person quite the same.
Working with many people as clients who display these tendencies is sobering indeed.
JMO.

[mybabydoll]

I hope Tony Lazzaro learned not to hit up random chicks on the internet also.

It would be nice if someone like her could only be found on the internet. Unfortunately, the same people on the internet are the same people roaming amongst us. He could have met her anywhere. It seems there is just no way to spot evil before they enter our lives. I wish we could.

[dvsone]

Absolutley not.

Let me ADD the A's defense attorney wouldn't have to be informed of an impending investigation, not until it led to charges being filed.

I am pretty sure "Mom of the Year's" def team would have NOTHING to do with it, so they would NOT have to be notified.

Actually in the system .. there is a lot of good old boy back patting going around. My atty knew when I was being investigated and called to tell me. I live in a much smaller city than orlando, but its possible for your atty to know and to inform you... which I think has been done, hence the silence we are hearing... the A's actually following advice!

[bballgrl]

Hey girl! I was just wondering about you the other day. Even though I read here every day I still miss a lot of posts.
This one has me hooked. All my free time goes to little Caylee. I can't wait for the trial of the monster that murdered her.


I am just hoping that we don't need any Cocoa Puffs or Afro Wigs for this trial. I just want one Casey Anthony on trial and to see her put away for life.. That would make me happy!!! :wink:

[Rick777]

I have a hard time feeling sorry for Cindy and George.

They are either the most oblivious people on earth, or they knew what was going on. Common sense is all they needed if they were not involved.

It sure seems like Geraldo is on the defense side. I think Geraldo has always had a weakness for attractive women, criminals or not. He keeps tossing things out there like the Meter reader can make for reasonable doubt, or maybe the eveidence was collected poorly, etc. The key to all of this is REASONABLE doubt. Anyone with REASON will see a trail that leads to Casey. In my opinion.

[mybabydoll]

It is scarier that in fact, we all probably know at least a handful of people just like her. Conservative estimates are that 4% of the population is sociopathic...that means one of every twenty-five people you know on average. Now THAT"S truely scary given how any people most of us know at least peripherally!
I've seen evil incarnate in a young and beautiful girl. I've lived with that evil and seen how handily it passes itself off as normal to most people. Once you've encountered it, you never look upon ANY other person quite the same.
Working with many people as clients who display these tendencies is sobering indeed.
JMO.

That is very scary.

[5boxersmom]

I hope Tony Lazzaro learned not to hit up random chicks on the internet also.

No kidding. I feel for him.

Check you pm's.

[Loves2Read]

It is scarier that in fact, we all probably know at least a handful of people just like her. Conservative estimates are that 4% of the population is sociopathic...that means one of every twenty-five people you know on average. Now THAT"S truely scary given how any people most of us know at least peripherally!
I've seen evil incarnate in a young and beautiful girl. I've lived with that evil and seen how handily it passes itself off as normal to most people. Once you've encountered it, you never look upon ANY other person quite the same.
Working with many people as clients who display these tendencies is sobering indeed.
JMO.

There is an excellent book on this subject. It's called "The sociopath next door: the ruthless versus the rest of us by Martha Stout". VERY good reading IMO.

It is comforting to know that most of us have a gut instinct about people, and we do get a feeling (if we pay attention to it) about people that we should never trust.

[playnice]

I do feel very, very sorry for Cindy and George Anthony. It would be crushing to realize someone you loved and raised could be such a sociopath she'd kill her own child. I don't know how one carries on after such a thing ......... do you consider Casey gone, too, or do you try to maintain some sort of relationship and be tortured every second you look at her or hear her? She really has destroyed all of them, and it's so sad. jmo.

I doubt Casey is done yet. as she said. "She is a spiteful B****."
Cindy told her she forgave her for what she said and done. Casey "I havent said anything." I believe there is a yet attached to it.

[spydernweb2006]

I have a hard time feeling sorry for Cindy and George.

They are either the most oblivious people on earth, or they knew what was going on. Common sense is all they needed if they were not involved.

It sure seems like Geraldo is on the defense side. I think Geraldo has always had a weakness for attractive women, criminals or not. He keeps tossing things out there like the Meter reader can make for reasonable doubt, or maybe the eveidence was collected poorly, etc. The key to all of this is REASONABLE doubt. Anyone with REASON will see a trail that leads to Casey. In my opinion.


What Geraldo forgets to mention is NO WHERE did Casey ever say she gave Caylee to the meter reader! Gonna be pretty hard to implicate him after all the Nanny lies she has put out there. Casey Anthony is Casey Anthony's worst enemy. All she did was spin a web of lies thats gonna come back to convict her.


JMHO

hugs,
Spyder

[Ellie]

Yes...or if the tape was looped around the head ( isn't this entire subject just dreadful?)...or if the bag was wrapped and taped tightly around the contents it might stay in the original area until it stuck again ( not from the original adhesive, but from fats, etc. present in the body)..or if the place the tape was in was resting on the bottom of the bag with weight upon it.
I find it difficult to believe it would remain in any place where it's use could be determined though, just because of the mention of animal activity and the remains being scattered.
We will surely find out in time. If there IS evidence of tape being used...that will be very damning for Casey IMO.
It's all so nasty to think about...but it IS important when this goes to trial and I hope every aspect of potential evidence is as intact as possible.
JMO.

I know I heard that LE stated that there was duct tape around the skull... I will try and find a link when I can. Also, it was stated on NG (not that what you hear there is necessarily all of the truth, but I do trust NG's show for the most part for reliable information). Something else to think about... if Caylee's bones were scattered, I seriously believe that if her hair wasn't taped to something it, too, would have scattered. Critters love to use hair for their nests (I set my dogs hair out in the spring for the birds, it's gone overnight, they love to use it in their nests!).

The only, ONLY thing I can say about the critters out in the open with Caylee is that little pieces of Caylee are all around us now... in a bluebird, in a sparrow, her soul is in the trees and flowers where her mommy laid her. It helps me to know this.

[OneUp]

There is an excellent book on this subject. It's called "The sociopath next door: the ruthless versus the rest of us by Martha Stout". VERY good reading IMO.

It is comforting to know that most of us have a gut instinct about people, and we do get a feeling (if we pay attention to it) about people that we should never trust.I bought and read it a few months back on Pru's advice. It wasn't particularly relevatory to me...but for someone w/no educational background in Psychology/sociology/psychiatry who wants to learn more about the subject I'd recommend it. It's written in an easy to understand format w/o much "lingo".
It is a subject that one will benefit from understanding if you plan to follow many murder cases. Not ALL murderers are sociopaths...but many have those tendencies.
JM two cents worth.

[SwFlorida]

Someone said GA didn't change his story about the smell. I knew I heard him saying it was the pizza smell...

Interesting article & other links at the bottom of page.

http://www.momlogic.com/2008/12/casey_anthony_caylee_anthony_c_1.php

[Mimi428]

I've seen evil incarnate in a young and beautiful girl. I've lived with that evil and seen how handily it passes itself off as normal to most people. Once you've encountered it, you never look upon ANY other person quite the same.
Working with many people as clients who display these tendencies is sobering indeed.
JMO.

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You hit the nail on the head. I could not agree more.

A lot of discussion has been done about how Casey's parents could let her get away with so many lies. Until & unless you have had to deal with someone like her, I don't think you quite comprehend how completely impossible it is to even keep UP with their lies, much less call them on every one of them, much LESS deal with every one of them, much less initiate any action that will alter them.

You could literally spend every hour of every day just trying to keep track of the lies. They wear down everyone who is near them. They lie about everything, even about (& sometimes especially about) things that are so trivial that it seems it would not be worth lying about. In the end, the more you have to interact with them, the faster they will alter your perspectives, your life, your activities, to the point you think YOU are the crazy one.

JMO