MONDAY, 12/22 - Part One

[?noanswer]

Perhaps the name your searching for is the evasive Never Lose Hope Fundation?
http://helpfindcaylee.usualbeings.com/images/September%2025th%20Trust%20Agreement%20%282%29%282 %29.pdf

Yep, that's it. Thanks! JMO

[beetlebrow]

sorry to confuse, I was quoting Cindy, she made that statement to the FBI. she said that she was putting clues together and she suspects amy or Jessie. they could be Zanaida in her opnion .

:laugh: OK.....guess I didnt read far enough back...thank you for answering :thumbsup:

[Dunlurken]

Body released for burial

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=6509056

Quote your source and please stop making us look at ads. TIA. It's real easy. Edit and paste pertinent facts.

Not directed at you personally. LOL.

[PROPROS]

It makes one wonder....Does Jesse regret that he took the paternity test? Things would possibly be different. I feel sorry for the Grund family throughout all of this. Out of all the people involved with Caylee, Jesse and his family seem to be most heartbroken at the twist of events. My prayers are with them.I don't think he had much choice in taking the paternity test. He knew that Caylee probably was not his child. I don't think that going along with Casey's version would have set well with his parents. I think he was (very much) in love with Casey and probably has regrets in regards to his relationship with her.mo

[MichelleP]

And THAT being said, I don't think they did nearly as bad or as much "obstruction" as others believe. I just really don't see it.

So you're saying it is alright to obstruct justice a little but not a lot?

[?noanswer]

On Fox News now. What are they talking about the smell? That when the MR called in August the smell was mentioned. When was this? Who is saying this? I doubt there would be a smell after two months. imo

That segment had so much mixed up junk in it, it was totally useless. People like that is why people get so confused. JMO

[tisamystery]

I'm wondering . . . When did Casey claim Zannie began caring for Caylee? And was Zannie's name ever mentioned prior to Casey having allegedly seen her name on an apartment application?

Like most of you, I don't believe Zannie exists, but if they're going to continue to insist she's real, it seems to be a relevant question.

[NikkiG77058]

And again, you are accusing me of putting things out there based on some news souce when I specifically keep repeating to you that these are just gut instincts and my opinions? What are you trying to do, get me banned?

Nikki, Let me put it this way. I go by instincts, I go by actions which speak louder than words and I go by the possibility that this story has not completely unfolded yet and I leave every possibility open. If you choose not to agree, that is your prerogative, but please, allow me the right to express my opinions, my feelings and my instincts and stop questioning every single sentence I put out there. Respect me and I'll respect you. Let's agree to disagree, shall we?

Um, I would NEVER try to get ANYONE banned, regardless of if we agree or not. If you want to protect yourself from getting banned, simply put IMO at the end of your post. You absolutely have every right to think whatever you want; however, others should be able to question you about it in order to further their opinion, without being accused of trying to have you banned or questioning 'every single sentence'.
And on the 'every single sentence', give me a break!! I have only questioned 3 of your posts and I thought that was allowed, since we are on a message board. IMO

Any word on when the second autopsy is to take place?

[beetlebrow]

who or what is IGGY ,am I dumb or what??

I think she means she wont watch them on TV anymore...

[5boxersmom]

GRRRRR....sorry...it was the video from good morning america this morning... it is there...somewhere

It starts right after the ad.

[Freefall]

who or what is IGGY ,am I dumb or what??

IGGY means ignore

[PROPROS]

the fox news anchor as we speak is talking about the meter man, creating suspicion. She is practically saying his story smells. "how is it he reported a smell, then finds the body. something wrong here" my God, can you believe fox news. what the heck is going on, and her TH are both agreeing with her. He might be the killer??Dear God help us. .This makes me so angry....This is the kind of thing that makes people not want to get involved. When the next child or person comes up missing,the person finding them may just walk away and say "no thanks" I'm not getting involved.mo

[beetlebrow]

I'm wondering . . . When did Casey claim Zannie began caring for Caylee? And was Zannie's name ever mentioned prior to Casey having allegedly seen her name on an apartment application?

Like most of you, I don't believe Zannie exists, but if they're going to continue to insist she's real, it seems to be a relevant question.


I believe Casey told Rev. Grund about Zannie being the new babysitter after the Grunds had been taking care of Caylee for about a year.

[5boxersmom]

That segment had so much mixed up junk in it, it was totally useless. People like that is why people get so confused. JMO

I know it and they continue to get away with it. :sneaky:

They should be made to provide a link. :biggrin:

[justagal71]

i agree that donating the stuffed animals to charity was a great idea, and i hope it brightens some less fortunate kids day. i was just mind boggled as to what gave the anthonys the right to donate these items as they werent their property. they were left in memorial of caylee not as presents for caylee(then they would have been theirs to do with as they wish). i mean if i let people start a memorial for little caylee out in front of my house would the anthonys be able to come and take it down. theirs a difference in people leaving something as a memorial for someone and someone leaving a gift to somone. after all that being said i am still glad that the toys were donated.


This is what I have been hoping for all along. I think this is the first truly "good" thing that the A's have done since this whole mess began. Good for them!

[CeeKay]

Actually even Henry Lee mentioned the smell last month. He said the car still smelled. (Is that what you are talking about?)



Henry Lee also mentioned "the maggots" in the trunk right after he inspected the car. (Scratching my head) Were ther STILL maggots there at that time? If he did not see them, why bother mentioning them?

[?noanswer]

I've always heard one should say something good about everybody.

Casey created jobs for many lawyers.

JMO

[barskin&co.]

I'm wondering . . . When did Casey claim Zannie began caring for Caylee? And was Zannie's name ever mentioned prior to Casey having allegedly seen her name on an apartment application?

Like most of you, I don't believe Zannie exists, but if they're going to continue to insist she's real, it seems to be a relevant question.

Yes, she had been using the name "Zanny" for a long time. The name Zenaida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah was new.

I don't know if the defense is going to keep insisting she is real. It seems a tough road to take when no one else on the face of the earth has ever seen her, and nobody can testify about her at trial except the defendant, who ain't gonna testify.

[*MoonRider*]

the fox news anchor as we speak is talking about the meter man, creating suspicion. She is practically saying his story smells. "how is it he reported a smell, then finds the body. something wrong here" my God, can you believe fox news. what the heck is going on, and her TH are both agreeing with her. He might be the killer??Dear God help us. .

Even if LE followed up and found her then there would not be a smell nearly 2 months later MOO

[PROPROS]

Hey Pro...

I never insinuated that, (um... yeah I kinda did in one post way back, responding to someone else)... but not really, what I meant was that it was simply a PR moment for them...

This is the first time I have ever seen a memorial taken down and donated to charity. Not that it's a bad thing... I think it's a great idea! I just don't think it was the Anthony's idea... thats all!:wink:I'm in conflict about the whole "memorial". IMO, The Anthony's should have just left the memorial there. It was not their property. But, since it was moved, I am happy that some deserving child will have a stuffed animal to hold on Xmas.mo

[beetlebrow]

I know it and they continue to get away with it. :sneaky:

They should be made to provide a link. :biggrin:

Wow....wouldn't that be something great!!!!! Maybe eventully with internet laws.....it will change....I pray :tongue:

[PROPROS]

i remember Cindy pointing out some feature in a picture and saying I think Zanaidas house is really Jeff's. So says Cindy I think Jeff might have kidnapped her I cannot remember if she said jeff or Jessie , now I am befuddled by my own memory. time to stop posting . lol gogoIIRC, that was when she was blaming Ricardo for being Zanny!mo

[beetlebrow]

Thank you do not mind at all, in fact I love you. lol I have to stop posting the way I do. I am always in a hurry. also I could not quote them honestly because I did not have it. I was remembering the gyst of it. my dtr. always accuses me of that, when she read my responses. she says, " Ma, how can they understand you" gogo

LOL....my son does this even when he can understand me...if ya know what I mean:tonguewag:

[Neffy]

Well here's the thing, I don't believe any of their words or actions prevented LE from finding Caylee. Not at all. Nor did any of their words and actions diminish the case against Casey.

What I DO think was that LE made a HUGE mistake in not following up on the August tips. If they had, Caylee would have been found four months sooner. And the case against Casey may have been even greater.

All in my opinion.

I see what your saying but you have to understand how bizarre it sounds that LE is at fault for not finding where Casey hid Caylee's remains sooner. I know your not saying it but reading it it looks like your casting more fault on LE then Casey

I believe they did follow the August tips and there was a cross communication of who went where and so what especially at this same location.

Whether it was a matter of symantics on the report or it wasn't properly relayed. IMO they did not want to waste time going over territory they'd gone over.

In the end I believe it was a cursory check over and yep, they screwed up. Consider the amount of leads and everything else they were dealing with I still think they did a great job.

Just think of the time they wasted checking out Grund, Amy, reports of these guys going to Puerto Rico separately and the sinister implications of that. *eye roll* These guys certainly did waste time. Caylee Sightings. Universal walk thru.

Yep wasted alot of time and manpower for naught!

[Dunlurken]

Casey created free publicity for many lawyers.

I haven't heard anything about the lawyers actually getting paid.

Then you haven't been reading. :confused: JMO.

[justagal71]

ok, this is totally off topic, but why is the circle next to my name in red??

[5boxersmom]

I have no idea what they are going to do. I do know that they are & have been in the deepest pits of h#ll. As for 'face reality' - I don't think there is anything in this world that forces anyone to accept another person's reality.

In your reality, in my reality, Casey cold-bloodedly murdered Caylee. But that's just us. Other parents have lived lives full of complete denial when it comes to the their own children committing heinous actions.

Last I heard, Darlie Routier's mother is still on the "my daughter could not possibly have killed my grandchildren" train. So are Scott's parents. I haven't followed the Entwistle case but I believe his parents are, too.

Ted Bundy's mother (IIRC) could never accept that her son could POSSIBLY be guilty. Kenneth McDuff's mother Addie believed in her son's innocence her entire life (she reportedly marched to school & threatened one of his teachers with a gun when he was a kid because he got in trouble at school).

An interesting case very similar to this one. Google Valiree Jackson.

Her father murdered her. This is what his father said about him.

Spokane County had probable cause to put the tracking device on Brad's car," said Dick Jackson, who said has searched in vain for indications that his son was not guilty. "It's a hard thing from day one. We want justice for Valiree."


http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20030521&slug=gps21m

[beetlebrow]

Then you haven't been reading. :confused:

I thought the lawyers and experts were pro bono....did something change?

[CNTM]

I've always heard one should say something good about everybody.

Casey created jobs for many lawyers.

JMO

:laugh: Did she ever?! :thumbup:

[destiny1]

I'm wondering . . . When did Casey claim Zannie began caring for Caylee? And was Zannie's name ever mentioned prior to Casey having allegedly seen her name on an apartment application?

Like most of you, I don't believe Zannie exists, but if they're going to continue to insist she's real, it seems to be a relevant question.

If Caylee had a nanny named zannie, as talkative as that child was, she would have been talking about her to people. People other than the Anthonys. Somebody else would have heard her.

[barskin&co.]

i remember Cindy pointing out some feature in a picture and saying I think Zanaidas house is really Jeff's. So says Cindy I think Jeff might have kidnapped her I cannot remember if she said jeff or Jessie , now I am befuddled by my own memory. time to stop posting . lol gogo

No wait, I think "Jeff" was code for "boyfriend." Ricardo's house was actually Zanny's, who was in cahoots with TonE (unbeknownst to either of them), and the pyramid on the back of a dollar bill leads you to a entrance in Mount Rushmore which might hold the National Treasure, which...

[Cury-us Coyote]

Disturbed Evidence at Caylee Anthony Site Could Hurt Defense
(HL speaks)
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/dec/22/disturbed-evidence-caylee-anthony-site-could-hurt-/

[SkinnyGeorge]

Have you been bothering them?

My original post has to do with whether or not they are continuing to back their daughter and her lies, which will play a very important part in the criticisms they will receive from the public, imo. Not to mention their legal exposure and whether or not they receive the full immunity they have requested from LE through their attorney. imo

Hi Scampi -- It's been a long time. :seeya:

You 'spose this might give any of us some insight as to what's to come?

On Friday night, (AFTER Caylee's DNA was officially matched to the skeleton remains) "DateLine" had a short segment with the Anthony's current attorney, Brad Conway.

Conway made the statement that, (paraphrased): It didn't make sense that a mother who murdered her child would abandon the body nearby - just a few blocks away from her home. (Apparently Conway doesn't know much about the location statistics re: maternal filicide.)

HOWEVER, he went on to state that it would be a perfect place for SOMEBODY ELSE responsible for Caylee's murder to dump the body to focus the attention on Casey.

I doubt very much if Conway was speaking without instructions from Cindy and George. Soooo, be prepared for the "Somebody FRAMED Casey" spin to be screamed on all the networks.

Unfortunately, I think anyone who hoped the Anthonys would now be realistic and TRUTHFUL will be sadly disappointed.

Caylee drew the short 'value-straw' months and months ago. Nothing's changed. Shame on ALL of the Anthonys! :mad:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/28320366#28320366 (approx. 5 minutes into the video)

[FrankieBones1]

That segment had so much mixed up junk in it, it was totally useless. People like that is why people get so confused. JMO

I watched it a little while ago and noticed that all three of them had not really followed the case, especially the female host. One of the female guests mentioned Dr. G and whined that Dr. G had her own show.

The host is so sure that the meter reader is guilty of something.

[justagal71]

aha, found it...thanks

Did you click on the invisible box in your user cp? If so it's showing that you are offline/invisible.

[PROPROS]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18334836/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news
http://www.wftv.com/video/18335406/index.htmlThank you Cury...I guess I've become dependent on you to find those links (LOL). It did my heart good to actually see the children with the toys.mo

[SavannahStar]

I see what your saying but you have to understand how bizarre it sounds that LE is at fault for not finding where Casey hid Caylee's remains sooner. I know your not saying it but reading it it looks like your casting more fault on LE then Casey

I believe they did follow the August tips and there was a cross communication of who went where and so what especially at this same location.

Whether it was a matter of symantics on the report or it wasn't properly relayed. IMO they did not want to waste time going over territory they'd gone over.

In the end I believe it was a cursory check over and yep, they screwed up. Consider the amount of leads and everything else they were dealing with I still think they did a great job.

Just think of the time they wasted checking out Grund, Amy, reports of these guys going to Puerto Rico separately and the sinister implications of that. *eye roll* These guys certainly did waste time. Caylee Sightings. Universal walk thru.

Yep wasted alot of time and manpower for naught!

I think Casey is to blame for the death of her daughter.

I think LE made a big mistake in August. Her body could have been found sooner, GIVEN the fact that Casey did not tell the truth.

[destiny1]

HOWEVER, he went on to state that it would be a perfect place for SOMEBODY ELSE responsible for Caylee's murder to dump the body to focus the attention on Casey.

I doubt very much if Conway was speaking without instructions from Cindy and George. Soooo, be prepared for the "Somebody FRAMED Casey" spin to be screamed on all the networks.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/28320366#28320366 (approx. 5 minutes into the video)

THANK YOU!
very interesting.
This sweet man very well could be setting that stage!

Amazing!

[Cury-us Coyote]

Former Fiance Of Casey Anthony: Story Follows You Around

Meanwhile, two men carrying cameras and measuring equipment arrived at the home of George and Cindy Anthony on Monday, but they refused to identify themselves to Local 6 News reporter Mike DeForest.

DeForest said Cindy Anthony met up with the men and escorted them to the back of a side fence, where they took photographs and measurements. The purpose of their visit was not known.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18331389/detail.html
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/18336150/index.html

[5boxersmom]

Hi Scampi -- It's been a long time. :seeya:

You 'spose this might give any of us some insight as to what's to come?

On Friday night, (AFTER Caylee's DNA was officially matched to the skeleton remains) "DateLine" had a short segment with the Anthony's current attorney, Brad Conway.

Conway made the statement that, (paraphrased): It didn't make sense that a mother who murdered her child would abandon the body nearby - just a few blocks away from her home. (Apparently Conway doesn't know much about the location statistics re: maternal filicide.)

HOWEVER, he went on to state that it would be a perfect place for SOMEBODY ELSE responsible for Caylee's murder to dump the body to focus the attention on Casey.

I doubt very much if Conway was speaking without instructions from Cindy and George. Soooo, be prepared for the "Somebody FRAMED Casey" spin to be screamed on all the networks.

Unfortunately, I think anyone who hoped the Anthonys would now be realistic and TRUTHFUL will be sadly disappointed.

Caylee drew the short 'value-straw' months and months ago. Nothing's changed. Shame on ALL of the Anthonys! :mad:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/28320366#28320366 (approx. 5 minutes into the video)

NeJame wouldn't do that. He wanted nothing to do with Casey. Guess this attorney is keeping the Anthony's happy right now.

[barskin&co.]

I watched it a little while ago and noticed that all three of them had not really followed the case, especially the female host. One of the female guests mentioned Dr. G and whined that Dr. G had her own show.

The host is so sure that the meter reader is guilty of something.

When they were talking about that crazy Joy Wray last week, referring ot her as a "woman with TES," I felt like screaming at them,"Hey, I have two words for you: FACT CHECK!!!"

[beetlebrow]

THANK YOU!
very interesting.
This sweet man very well could be setting that stage!

Amazing!

They would have to find a link between the meter reader and someone in this case. If they cannot find a link then the only thing it proves is LE might of been able to find the body earlier IMO.

[canada]

Where do you think they will keep her remains over the next few years? Once they do the 2nd autopsy there is no reason to keep her in storage, I have never heard of such a thing.

IIRC Danielle Van Dam was cremated before the trial.

I hadn't heard of it either but it happened recently where I live to a little girl horrifically abused and murdered by her parents. The remains haven't been released yet (both parents convicted of 1st degree). They may not be released for some time because there will probably be an appeal filed. PM me if you want the link to the story.

[5boxersmom]

I watched it a little while ago and noticed that all three of them had not really followed the case, especially the female host. One of the female guests mentioned Dr. G and whined that Dr. G had her own show.

The host is so sure that the meter reader is guilty of something.

But why would the MR find the body if he had something to do with it? Makes no sense. That man's life will never be the same.

Are we even clear if the other times he called was the right area or just around that area?

[DefyGravity]

Well here's the thing, I don't believe any of their words or actions prevented LE from finding Caylee. Not at all. Nor did any of their words and actions diminish the case against Casey.

What I DO think was that LE made a HUGE mistake in not following up on the August tips. If they had, Caylee would have been found four months sooner. And the case against Casey may have been even greater.

All in my opinion.

I totally agree.

[Dunlurken]

I hadn't heard of it either but it happened recently where I live to a little girl horrifically abused and murdered by her parents. The remains haven't been released yet (both parents convicted of 1st degree). They may not be released for some time because there will probably be an appeal filed. PM me if you want the link to the story.

Thank you! But I don't want the link the story. You just verified what I've been trying to say around here. No one listens to me. LOL.

[beetlebrow]

"I will be looking for trace evidence and DNA evidence," Lee said. "Hair. Fiber. Any forensic evidence. Another area we will need to do work on is crime scene reconstruction."

Since the Nightmare Team won't be 'responding to the scene'... Henry Lee won't have a chance to remove any evidence or plant any evidence.

That's a good thing.

Well if they don't respond to the scene now, then the public is going to mess it up.....then the defense will not be able to.......OH I GET IT!!! :biggrin:

[barskin&co.]

Thank you! But I don't want the link the story. You just verified what I've been trying to say around here. No one listens to me. LOL.

But, in this case the remains are being released.

[KatieKates]

I think Casey is to blame for the death of her daughter.

I think LE made a big mistake in August. Her body could have been found sooner, GIVEN the fact that Casey did not tell the truth.

I couldn't agree with something more! Excellent post.

[canada]

Disturbed Evidence at Caylee Anthony Site Could Hurt Defense
(HL speaks)
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/dec/22/disturbed-evidence-caylee-anthony-site-could-hurt-/

*rolls eyes*

Lee: **We want to know the location of the plastic bag and skull," he says. "How many bones were inside the bag? How many bones were outside. We don't know anything directly from the sheriff's office. As an expert, you can only look at the original crime scene or original evidence. Once it is altered or changed, it is very difficult to put together."**

Not sure how things work in Lee's world but here LE does an investigation and the reports etc. are handed over to the prosecution. Lawyers and their experts are not called to a crime scene that hasn't been cleared. LE hasn't finished processing everything and getting forensic results. Gimme a break.

[steffaroob4]

But, in this case the remains are being released.

It was even stated by ME that the remains would be released soon.

[mattncats]

On Fox News now. What are they talking about the smell? That when the MR called in August the smell was mentioned. When was this? Who is saying this? I doubt there would be a smell after two months. imo

From what I've heard the smell NEVER goes away.

[trich]

:rolleyes:Disturbed Evidence at Caylee Anthony Site Could Hurt Defense
(HL speaks)
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/dec/22/disturbed-evidence-caylee-anthony-site-could-hurt-/



So I guess Henry Lee expected the LE to let the defense go trampsing through the site before they even did a full investigation.:rolleyes:
I would not trust Henry Lee to test or look at any evidence and think he had any credibility.
He has some nerve . IMO

[Dunlurken]

But, in this case the remains are being released.

Do you have a date? Sometime after the Holidays? More smoke and mirrors on the part of both Prosecution and Defense. When they are released, I'll believe it. Until then, I'm not holding my breath. jmo

[barskin&co.]

From what I've heard the smell NEVER goes away.

Well, in the case of the car, the decomp liquid got in the unatural fabric in the trunk of the car and got heated up in the sun- that stayed. In the woods, the body would decompose quickly in nature, and the smell would go away, I believe.

[really3997]

I'm in conflict about the whole "memorial". IMO, The Anthony's should have just left the memorial there. It was not their property. But, since it was moved, I am happy that some deserving child will have a stuffed animal to hold on Xmas.mo

I am checking in for a second did not read any post just wanted to let everyone know that the memorial is growing again..with more stuffed animals..Just wanted to share..

[breezie]

*rolls eyes*

Lee: **We want to know the location of the plastic bag and skull," he says. "How many bones were inside the bag? How many bones were outside. We don't know anything directly from the sheriff's office. As an expert, you can only look at the original crime scene or original evidence. Once it is altered or changed, it is very difficult to put together."**

Not sure how things work in Lee's world but here LE does an investigation and the reports etc. are handed over to the prosecution. Lawyers and their experts are not called to a crime scene that hasn't been cleared. LE hasn't finished processing everything and getting forensic results. Gimme a break.

You would think this was Lee's first rodeo. He knows he gets all that information in discovery. He can make an appointment to view all the evidence. It's all in the chain of custody. Doofus. Thinks we're stoopid, apparently.

[barskin&co.]

Do you have a date? Sometime after the Holidays? More smoke and mirrors on the part of both Prosecution and Defense. When they are released, I'll believe it. Until then, I'm not holding my breath. jmo

Take a look at LandShark's post #717.

[cuddlyrunner]

Just watched Jesse's interview on the Today programme. Thank you so much to whoever provided the link.

What a lovely young man and what a tragedy he is dealing with. How sad that one selfish young girl's actions have impacted on his life so greatly. He was the one man , it seems, that was prepared to step up and take responsibility. I feel so sorry for all the young people who are having their personal lives dissected because of Casey.

[destiny1]

*rolls eyes*

Lee: **We want to know the location of the plastic bag and skull," he says. "How many bones were inside the bag? How many bones were outside. We don't know anything directly from the sheriff's office. As an expert, you can only look at the original crime scene or original evidence. Once it is altered or changed, it is very difficult to put together."**

Not sure how things work in Lee's world but here LE does an investigation and the reports etc. are handed over to the prosecution. Lawyers and their experts are not called to a crime scene that hasn't been cleared. LE hasn't finished processing everything and getting forensic results. Gimme a break.

they are such prima donnas that they believe that they should bde able to circumvent protocol.

another whinefest IMO

[dvsone]

I am checking in for a second did not read any post just wanted to let everyone know that the memorial is growing again..with more stuffed animals..Just wanted to share..

Of course it would ... its the publics only way to express anything... The A's cant control it forever.

[Dunlurken]

I am checking in for a second did not read any post just wanted to let everyone know that the memorial is growing again..with more stuffed animals..Just wanted to share..

Thank you. I hope a charity organization continues to pick up the stuffed animals and give them to needy children. Caylee probably would like that. But I never knew her so I don't know. JMO.

Later peeps!

[Cury-us Coyote]

Toys In Caylee Memorial Sent To Kids In Need
http://www.wesh.com/news/18333246/detail.html

[trich]

THANK YOU!
very interesting.
This sweet man very well could be setting that stage!

Amazing!


It has been obvious from "day one" that the Anthonys and defense are going with the kidnappers did it....the nanny did it.....Zenaida did it.
I hoppe they do because there is not on idoda of evidence that this woman even exists.
The Anthonys know this is not true....Cindy would have known who was "babysitting" Caylee...she wouid have met her...she would have her phone number....she would have had her address....
there would be pictures o fher.
How are any of them going to explain the lack of all those?

[Dunlurken]

May Caylee have a proper burial held in solitude by those that loved her most. Who they are, I don't know. JMO.

[destiny1]

It has been obvious from "day one" that the Anthonys and defense are going with the kidnappers did it....the nanny did it.....Zenaida did it.
I hoppe they do because there is not on idoda of evidence that this woman even exists.
The Anthonys know this is not true....Cindy would have known who was "babysitting" Caylee...she wouid have met her...she would have her phone number....she would have had her address....
there would be pictures o fher.
How are any of them going to explain the lack of all those?
And IMO as talkative as Caylee seemed, she would talk about the nanny that she spent so much time with. Im just sayin'...

[Lilly12]

I really don't think I've tried at all, maybe disagree'd, realized that was silly of me because some take it so personal...

I really don't care who did what with the stuffed animals, if you want to know the truth.


I think the stuffed animals should have been given (in Caylee's name) to the needy to begin with. Out in the elements, they will just get icky. Lets face it, poor liitle Caylee can't use them. Her mother made sure of that! I also don't like when someone is killed in an auto accident, leaving a memorial at the sight, or at someones house. I don't blame LeeA for removing it, it is just the way he did it. When did all this start anyway. It wasn't done in my youth, that I recall. That is akin to putting a black wreath on the door, when someone dies. Which they do not do anymore, to my knowlege. Which is good in my opinion. moo

[no1what]

THANK YOU!
very interesting.
This sweet man very well could be setting that stage!

Amazing!


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I thought it was against bar rules for an attorney to knowing lie about evidence or circumstantial evidence or to even knowing allow their clients to lie about information.

IMO it would be hard to believe that the Anthony lawer thinks anyone other than Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. So how does he get away with planting tainted information?

[beetlebrow]

It has been obvious from "day one" that the Anthonys and defense are going with the kidnappers did it....the nanny did it.....Zenaida did it.
I hoppe they do because there is not on idoda of evidence that this woman even exists.
The Anthonys know this is not true....Cindy would have known who was "babysitting" Caylee...she wouid have met her...she would have her phone number....she would have had her address....
there would be pictures o fher.
How are any of them going to explain the lack of all those?

ITA....I don't know how they could use the Zenaida defense w/out looking like complete fools. Makes me think they may go in another direction.....nothing would surprise me at this point.

[trich]

they are such prima donnas that they believe that they should bde able to circumvent protocol.

another whinefest IMO

As I said before Henry Lee can not be trusted to know what he is even talking about.
It is ridiculous to expect the LE to allow the defense to investigate while they are still doing an initial invetigation.
Most times the defense only gets involved after the initial investigation and then is hired by the accused.
It is like putting the cart before the horse.
do they actually expect the public to believe LE invites the defense to investigate a crime while they are in the middle of their investigation?
Most times there is not even a person to defend at this point in time.

[barskin&co.]

And IMO as talkative as Caylee seemed, she would talk about the nanny that she spent so much time with. Im just sayin'...

Cindy said she never talked about "Zanny" because theere was "no need" (?)

QUESTION: Hey, Cindy, did Caylee ever talk about Zenaida Gonzalez? Did she ever say the baby-sitter's name?

CINDY ANTHONY: She talked about her puppy all the time.

QUESTION: Did she ever say the baby-sitters name?

CINDY ANTHONY: I never asked her about the baby-sitter. I mean, when I got her, it was all about her being home and getting love and playing and just doing stuff, so there was never a reason. She talked about her puppy all the time.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402098,00.html

Now, George, during his FBI interview, went further. He said that if the name "Zanny" was brought up, she never showed any sign of recognizing the name, while she would chatter on about other people she'd see during the day, like Lee and "Ma-wee."

[5boxersmom]

Well, in the case of the car, the decomp liquid got in the unatural fabric in the trunk of the car and got heated up in the sun- that stayed. In the woods, the body would decompose quickly in nature, and the smell would go away, I believe.

Right. I was talking about the woods not the car. TY.:thumbsup:

[destiny1]

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I thought it was against bar rules for an attorney to knowing lie about evidence or circumstantial evidence or to even knowing allow their clients to lie about information.

IMO it would be hard to believe that the Anthony lawer thinks anyone other than Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. So how does he get away with planting tainted information?
He didn't sqy that he made a general statement that pople could infer that he is setting that stage.

[destiny1]

In my opinion we have not heard the end of the Anthonys. Who wants to bet that after Christmas the vigils will resume? It's a given IMHO. Caylee's name will be evoked on behalf of all missing children.


It is going to be something to witness, the rehabilitation of the A's for the A's and by the A's . Those are the means. The end will be to get Casey off the hook if at all possible. After that it's on to new lives as advocates for missing children. Shaking hands, speeches, travel, TV spots. So much better than the drudgery of that old 9-5 job.

I see it coming.It may be tried, but the world has already seen what they are capable of: the way they carried themselves during this ordeal, which isn't over yet.

Nothing they do will get casey off and IMO the sooner they accept that, the better off they will be.

[AnnInOhio]

Yes, she had been using the name "Zanny" for a long time. The name Zenaida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah was new.

I don't know if the defense is going to keep insisting she is real. It seems a tough road to take when no one else on the face of the earth has ever seen her, and nobody can testify about her at trial except the defendant, who ain't gonna testify.

And, most telling, that there are no phone calls to or from Zanny in any of Casey's voluminous cell/text phone records. None. Nada. Zilch.

[dvsone]

Absolutely no surprise at all. I agree.

I expect them to get bigger and more grandiose.... just because it can.

stupid A's never learn.

[Amy]

:rolleyes:



So I guess Henry Lee expected the LE to let the defense go trampsing through the site before they even did a full investigation.:rolleyes:
I would not trust Henry Lee to test or look at any evidence and think he had any credibility.
He has some nerve . IMO

Maybe because HE knows HE is not above manipulating evidence (as shown in the Spector fiasco) he thinks all people are like him, and would do the same. Sorry, Henry---there may be some bad apples in the bunch, but not necessarily @ this crime scene.

[playnice]

[QUOTE=
......snipped

Cindy never asked Caylee about her babysitter? Her babysitter of a year and a half. What an awful, stupid woman.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I guess if something would have happened to Casey she didnt care about finding Caylee?

:rolleyes:

[*MoonRider*]

In my opinion we have not heard the end of the Anthonys. Who wants to bet that after Christmas the vigils will resume? It's a given IMHO. Caylee's name will be evoked on behalf of all missing children.


It is going to be something to witness, the rehabilitation of the A's for the A's and by the A's . Those are the means. The end will be to get Casey off the hook if at all possible. After that it's on to new lives as advocates for missing children. Shaking hands, speeches, travel, TV spots. So much better than the drudgery of that old 9-5 job.

I see it coming.

Caylee was not a missing child, she was a murdered child. MOO

[Lilly12]

That segment had so much mixed up junk in it, it was totally useless. People like that is why people get so confused. JMO

These lawyers and talking heads, are making me ill. Tell me, please, how is it better for the prosecution WITHOUT a body, for gosh sake. Especially in this case with Cindy and company, saying there are sightings of Caylee. And/or that Caylee was kidnapped, etc. To me, finding the body removed the most important doubt, that Caylee may still be alive. Don't these people know Scott Peterson was convicted, w/o knowing how Laci was murdered. moo

[justagal71]

......snipped

Cindy never asked Caylee about her babysitter? Her babysitter of a year and a half. What an awful, stupid woman.[/QUOTE]


yeah i dont believe it. thats like never asking your kid how was their day in school, what did you learn, did you have fun...etc...

[spiritwolf46]

And, most telling, that there are no phone calls to or from Zanny in any of Casey's voluminous cell/text phone records. None. Nada. Zilch.


I think that this, along with the rest of her lies will be the major factor of conviction in this case. No Nanny, so no one else killer her. Just Casey and only Casey.

[barskin&co.]

And, most telling, that there are no phone calls to or from Zanny in any of Casey's voluminous cell/text phone records. None. Nada. Zilch.

Yeah, the "Zanny" scenario is, to put it mildly, problematic. There is the stunningly total absence of evidence of her existance, and then, there's the fact that the only person who could testify to anything about her is the one person the defense can never dare put on the stand.

[5boxersmom]

Caylee was not a missing child, she was a murdered child. MOO

Yes, her mother knew where she was the whole time.

imo

[AnnInOhio]

They have never minded looking like complete fools before, why should the stop now?

Do you think the A's will have any input on Casey's defense strategy, or will Casey and her hand-holding attorney Baez shut them out? I can't imagine Kenney/Baden tolerating any of Cindy's "this is how its gonna be" spiel.

[Amy]

You would think this was Lee's first rodeo. He knows he gets all that information in discovery. He can make an appointment to view all the evidence. It's all in the chain of custody. Doofus. Thinks we're stoopid, apparently.

I can't figure out Lee or Baez or any of these people. It's not like they are the only defense team in the world who has NOT been in on the initial investigation of the crime scene!!! Is this the first murder trial they have been involved in? Were they @ the initial investigation of any other crime scene of any of their clients? If it worked with all the other crimes, why would this be any different? More special? Or, do they think they or Casey are special?

[breezie]

These lawyers and talking heads, are making me ill. Tell me, please, how is it better for the prosecution WITHOUT a body, for gosh sake. Especially in this case with Cindy and company, saying there are sightings of Caylee. And/or that Caylee was kidnapped, etc. To me, finding the body removed the most important doubt, that Caylee may still be alive. Don't these people know Scott Peterson was convicted, w/o knowing how Laci was murdered. moo

These are the same folks that said they didn't have a case without a body. Sheesh! talking out of both sides of their ...er... mouth.

[FrankieBones1]

When they were talking about that crazy Joy Wray last week, referring ot her as a "woman with TES," I felt like screaming at them,"Hey, I have two words for you: FACT CHECK!!!"

Yup, I remember that and I'm still cringing!

[barskin&co.]

Do you think the A's will have any input on Casey's defense strategy, or will Casey and her hand-holding attorney Baez shut them out? I can't imagine Kenney/Baden tolerating any of Cindy's "this is how its gonna be" spiel.

Oh, Ann...you have just suggested the most delightful scenario: Cindy trying to lock heads with LKB. Oh, that would not be creckt.

[NikkiG77058]

He can't. His concern are his clients and his clients only, which are George and Cindy. What I find most revealing is that we have George and Cindy's attorney who specializes in obstruction of justice cases, as evidenced by the law firm bio that someone else posted a couple pages back and we have Lee who's attorney specializes in murder and homicide. Very revealing IMHO

SEE I PUT IMHO FOR YOU, NIKKI. :)

And I love it, Jan!! Oh, and I totally agree with you, chica! :tonguewag:

[koawally]

[QUOTE=barskin&co.;12571347]Cindy said she never talked about "Zanny" because theere was "no need" (?)

QUESTION: Hey, Cindy, did Caylee ever talk about Zenaida Gonzalez? Did she ever say the baby-sitter's name?

CINDY ANTHONY: She talked about her puppy all the time.

QUESTION: Did she ever say the baby-sitters name?

CINDY ANTHONY: I never asked her about the baby-sitter. I mean, when I got her, it was all about her being home and getting love and playing and just doing stuff, so there was never a reason. She talked about her puppy all the time.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402098,00.html

......snipped

Cindy never asked Caylee about her babysitter? Her babysitter of a year and a half. What an awful, stupid woman.

Hope LE checks out all area vets for "invisible nanny Z and her invisible dog" records.

The Anthony's make me so angry with all the crap they've spewed.

[Mimi428]

These lawyers and talking heads, are making me ill. Tell me, please, how is it better for the prosecution WITHOUT a body, for gosh sake. Especially in this case with Cindy and company, saying there are sightings of Caylee. And/or that Caylee was kidnapped, etc. To me, finding the body removed the most important doubt, that Caylee may still be alive. Don't these people know Scott Peterson was convicted, w/o knowing how Laci was murdered. moo


Of course they know.

But the point of those shows is to get people to WATCH the shows. Whether they are watching because they agree with a host or guest says - or whether they are watching because they are incensed with what a host or guest says - the main thing is to keep them watching.

Henry Lee didn't say what he said because he doesn't know how criminal investigations work. He said what he did so he can keep himself, this case, whatever he is involved in, in FRONT of the media.

Baez doesn't have to believe the stuff he says in front of the cameras. Neither do the rest of them that make statements, whether they are profound or preposterous. They are there to pique the interest of the audience. You. Me. Everybody else. The day their ratings get to the point that they can't attract advertising revenue, there will be less of this stuff. I don't think it going to happen real soon, though, because as a society we seem to have a huge appetite for crime stories & a lot of tolerance for BS.

JMO

[happy2bme]

Hey MrsHudson,
i think Caylees name should be envoked in the name of all missing children. She has captured all of us.

I am leery of the A's and their new found crusade to be the spokesfamily for all missing children. I think they (George mainly) really could be a valuble person in this feild, but that is going to require gaining the trust of the public. To do that, they HAVE TO FESS UP AND TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH...no mor lies, no more spinning, no more enabling their wretched spawn, STAND UP FOR CAYLEE...

They have made loads and loads of mistakes up until this point. Some of which can still land them in jail. they are claiming to advocate for all other missing children, but they still have yet to show they are READY to stand up FOR CAYLEE. I am an optomist by nature, maybe they still can. if theuir hearts are right and they aren't doing it for selfish & $$$$ reasons, I think I could nod in approval.


Do we really think this is possible? I think if it does happen ...George will be the one to do it. jmo

[spiritwolf46]

I agree, if Zanny existed... Caylee would have discussed her... my kids tell me about every teacher, even subs and about ever sitter or person new they meet. And they tell their Gramma's w/o any prodding. Especially someone she supposedly spent SO much time with.


Exactly. For neither Cindy or George to have never ever met this so called baby sitter is horrible. What if Casey was injured going to or coming from her imaginary job? Woudn't THEY have to go get Caylee? This is absurd in every sense of the word.

[tisamystery]

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I thought it was against bar rules for an attorney to knowing lie about evidence or circumstantial evidence or to even knowing allow their clients to lie about information.

IMO it would be hard to believe that the Anthony lawer thinks anyone other than Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. So how does he get away with planting tainted information?

It's my understanding they they may know their client is lying but that it is against the bar rules to put them on the stand to knowlingly lie. I could be mistaken, though.

[Freefall]

Hey MrsHudson,
i think Caylees name should be envoked in the name of all missing children. She has captured all of us.

I am leery of the A's and their new found crusade to be the spokesfamily for all missing children. I think they (George mainly) really could be a valuble person in this feild, but that is going to require gaining the trust of the public. To do that, they HAVE TO FESS UP AND TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH...no mor lies, no more spinning, no more enabling their wretched spawn, STAND UP FOR CAYLEE...

They have made loads and loads of mistakes up until this point. Some of which can still land them in jail. they are claiming to advocate for all other missing children, but they still have yet to show they are READY to stand up FOR CAYLEE. I am an optomist by nature, maybe they still can. if theuir hearts are right and they aren't doing it for selfish & $$$$ reasons, I think I could nod in approval.

I think the train has left the station with their credibility.

[AnnInOhio]

Does Henry Lee even have a "real" job anymore, or has he simply become the forensics equivalent of an "ambulance chaser".

[?noanswer]

ok, this is totally off topic, but why is the circle next to my name in red??

Its Christmas Decoration!!! j/k It means you have chosen to be invisible. It appears gray to other posters. Visible posters are green. JMO

[breezie]

Hey MrsHudson,
i think Caylees name should be envoked in the name of all missing children. She has captured all of us.

I am leery of the A's and their new found crusade to be the spokesfamily for all missing children. I think they (George mainly) really could be a valuble person in this feild, but that is going to require gaining the trust of the public. To do that, they HAVE TO FESS UP AND TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH...no mor lies, no more spinning, no more enabling their wretched spawn, STAND UP FOR CAYLEE...

They have made loads and loads of mistakes up until this point. Some of which can still land them in jail. they are claiming to advocate for all other missing children, but they still have yet to show they are READY to stand up FOR CAYLEE. I am an optomist by nature, maybe they still can. if theuir hearts are right and they aren't doing it for selfish & $$$$ reasons, I think I could nod in approval.

One problem with his new career. His grandchild was not missing. She was murdered by their daughter, her mother. I cannot imagine them coming to another victim's aid. I just don't see it.

[spiritwolf46]

That's very nice of you. I am not very nice you see. I think that even if they do change their ways, the field of missing child advocates is already filled with better people than the A's.

I'm with you on this. I think that anything the Anthony's would do for missing children would hinder donations all over the country and beyond. I think their credibility is completely gone.

[tisamystery]

Does Henry Lee even have a "real" job anymore, or has he simply become the forensics equivalent of an "ambulance chaser".

He lost all credability with me over the Michael Peterson (wife "fell" down stairs) and Phil Spector trials. I'm amazed anybody pays any attention to him - especially Nancy Grace.

[happy2bme]

Exactly. For neither Cindy or George to have never ever met this so called baby sitter is horrible. What if Casey was injured going to or coming from her imaginary job? Woudn't THEY have to go get Caylee? This is absurd in every sense of the word.


Made me think of Cindy telling (I believe) Greta how good of a mother Casey was...that she kept an extra key to her car in her pocket in case Caylee were too lock herself in. Something along those lines anyways...:glare:

[Amy]

Do you think the A's will have any input on Casey's defense strategy, or will Casey and her hand-holding attorney Baez shut them out? I can't imagine Kenney/Baden tolerating any of Cindy's "this is how its gonna be" spiel.

I don't know if any of the defense team except Baez has even met Cindy, LKB, the last I heard, which I admit had to be maybe Friday, still had not even met her client!!! Anyway, as was pointed out in another post--each attorney is loyal to his or her own client. No matter who foots the bill (and the A's, I think I can safely say, aren't) the loyalty is to the client. So, Casey's team will do what they think best for Casey, whether they let the A's proffer any suggestions or not. IMO

[kitty1182]

He lost all credability with me over the Michael Peterson (wife "fell" down stairs) and Phil Spector trials. I'm amazed anybody pays any attention to him - especially Nancy Grace.

I don't pay any attention to him either....

[happygert]

I agree, if Zanny existed... Caylee would have discussed her... my kids tell me about every teacher, even subs and about ever sitter or person new they meet. And they tell their Gramma's w/o any prodding. Especially someone she supposedly spent SO much time with.

When my daughter was ay sitter's she come home and tell even what she had for lunch....."Mom Gwen made me eat a sandwich with Mayo on it again!" She hated mayo ... Stuff like that or Sam and Sebrina was being mean to the other kids..Something everyday about the sitter or what went on there..

[?noanswer]

Disturbed Evidence at Caylee Anthony Site Could Hurt Defense
(HL speaks)
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/dec/22/disturbed-evidence-caylee-anthony-site-could-hurt-/

He's full of it. Usually crime scenes have been investigated before a defendant is charged; therefore there are no defense lawyers. Evidence at the scene usually leads LE to the defendant. KC went and got herself arrested by her lies before there was a known crime scene. JMO

[spiritwolf46]

Made me think of Cindy telling (I believe) Greta how good of a mother Casey was...that she kept an extra key to her car in her pocket in case Caylee were too lock herself in. Something along those lines anyways...:glare:

I remember something along that line, too. And, not only was she the best mom (possibly Mother of the Year had Caylee not been found) but she acted like the mother of all her friends, too. :closedeyes:

[Mimi428]

Do you think the A's will have any input on Casey's defense strategy, or will Casey and her hand-holding attorney Baez shut them out? I can't imagine Kenney/Baden tolerating any of Cindy's "this is how its gonna be" spiel.

Speaking only for myself, no. I do not think the senior Anthonys will have any say in what direction the defense team goes.

Baez has been very successful in convincing Casey to not accept any visitors. Whatever he said to her, it has worked so far. He can control what information gets to her parents. In that regard, I think he has done some very impressive manuevering.

The senior Anthonys are at the mercy of Baez. In a way, so is Casey (at this point, anyway). On some level I wonder who, if anyone, has advised Baez on how to deal with Casey & her lying ways. I think he has managed to do something that she wants now & has wanted in the past - to be the center of the universe.

I don't think Baez believes she is the center of the universe. But all he has to do is keep her convinced that she really is the most important thing and that he only, only, ONLY wants to work in her best interests.

We'll see how it all pans out. One thing I do NOT expect is for LKB to have any personal interaction with Casey. I think both she & Baez know that the best way to handle Casey is to have men appear before her, seemingly enraptured in her presence.

JMO

[smileyjoe]

That's very nice of you. I am not very nice you see. I think that even if they do change their ways, the field of missing child advocates is already filled with better people than the A's.


I luv you Mrs. Hudson!

I agree.

Joe.

[Pebbles]

That's very nice of you. I am not very nice you see. I think that even if they do change their ways, the field of missing child advocates is already filled with better people than the A's.



MrsHudson, you and I seem to have the same thoughts and feelings regarding the A's. Sometimes I feel as though I am alone about the way I feel.

[destiny1]

Exactly. For neither Cindy or George to have never ever met this so called baby sitter is horrible. What if Casey was injured going to or coming from her imaginary job? Woudn't THEY have to go get Caylee? This is absurd in every sense of the word.
when I brought up the fact that caylee never mentioned "zanny" I wondered too why no people interviewing her/them never mentioned that.

[happygert]

He lost all credability with me over the Michael Peterson (wife "fell" down stairs) and Phil Spector trials. I'm amazed anybody pays any attention to him - especially Nancy Grace.

Me to tisamystery. I one I liked best was when HL said about the MP case too much blood to be a murder... If I was CSI I wouldn't have wanted him in my crime scene either

[eastside joe]

Exactly. For neither Cindy or George to have never ever met this so called baby sitter is horrible. What if Casey was injured going to or coming from her imaginary job? Woudn't THEY have to go get Caylee? This is absurd in every sense of the word.

Yes, for Cindy and George claiming they cared so much for their gd, not knowing the long-time nanny is absurd and utter nonsense! No excuse! IMO

[spiritwolf46]

MrsHudson, you and I seem to have the same thoughts and feelings regarding the A's. Sometimes I feel as though I am alone about the way I feel.


You are not alone. Believe me!

[happy2bme]

You are not alone. Believe me!


ITA! :smile:

[TxLady2]

Well here's the thing, I don't believe any of their words or actions prevented LE from finding Caylee. Not at all. Nor did any of their words and actions diminish the case against Casey.

What I DO think was that LE made a HUGE mistake in not following up on the August tips. If they had, Caylee would have been found four months sooner. And the case against Casey may have been even greater.

All in my opinion.


I agree with you, SS. Most of what the A's have told LE and the FBI have been what they were told by Casey... they didn't make that stuff up. They wanted to believe her, and stand by her. How would that be hindering LE's searching or finding her?
It's my understanding that there were never any searches organized by OSCO... maybe because a month went by before she was reported missing, but still... they should have given it some effort.

[smileyjoe]

MrsHudson, you and I seem to have the same thoughts and feelings regarding the A's. Sometimes I feel as though I am alone about the way I feel.


You are not alone Pebbles.

Joe.

[*MoonRider*]

Yes, for Cindy and George claiming they cared so much for their gd, not knowing the long-time nanny is absurd and utter nonsense! No excuse! IMO

Speaking of absurd I just listened to one part of Cindy's FBI interview. Not sure what I was thinking but I now have an ear ache. Whew, she just never stops. http://www.wftv.com/video/18036013/index.html

[Amy]

I agree, if Zanny existed... Caylee would have discussed her... my kids tell me about every teacher, even subs and about ever sitter or person new they meet. And they tell their Gramma's w/o any prodding. Especially someone she supposedly spent SO much time with.

IMO, it would be an unusual child to not come home, bubbling about her day, who she played with, etc. What games THE CARETAKER (babysitter/nanny/daycare worker, etc) had them play, what the caretaker said to little Johnny after he pulled a chair out from Janey, etc etc etc. When they bubble over EVERYONE they had contact w/that day in any significant way makes the conversation.

Unless they are cut off @ the pass. Oh, Susie, please, let's talk about the puppy or something. You can wait and tell mommy about your day.

And, if Caylee had a nanny, she would not likely have a roomful of charges like in a day care. So, her talking about her day would REALLY include talking about the nanny. Nanny--that still floors me. In these parts, a NANNY is a person who @ the least, comes TO THE HOME to care for the child(ren) and usually lives there except her day off. Anyone else is a baby sitter or day care provider.

OTOH---perhaps Zanny did not become the Nanny until after Casey ran away from home? Instead of the nanny spending the time in the home, Caylee spent a lot of time w/nanny--days @ a time, it would seem. Nope, that wouldn't work, either, as Caylee was killed right about the time Casey ran away from home. Sorry, I get to thinking, and get carried away.

[~jomomma~]

*rolls eyes*

Lee: **We want to know the location of the plastic bag and skull," he says. "How many bones were inside the bag? How many bones were outside. We don't know anything directly from the sheriff's office. As an expert, you can only look at the original crime scene or original evidence. Once it is altered or changed, it is very difficult to put together."**

Not sure how things work in Lee's world but here LE does an investigation and the reports etc. are handed over to the prosecution. Lawyers and their experts are not called to a crime scene that hasn't been cleared. LE hasn't finished processing everything and getting forensic results. Gimme a break.


*rolls eyes*

from that link:
By the time investigators working for the Anthony family were allowed to visit the site where 2-year-old Caylee Anthony's body was found, it was too late to gather any "virgin scene" evidence, says forensic scientist Henry Lee.



and just how often does the defense get to view the 'virgin scene' to look at evidence??? wow

i know it's been said here before but normally, the crime scene is gone over before anybody is even arrested. what did they expect?!

[AnnInOhio]

The love in these cases is conditional. I doubt they would love an evil stranger who killed their grandchild. If you love a person no matter what he does because he is your child, that is a condition.

I think it's totally possible to still unconditionally love your child without condoning their behavior. The Anthonys' problem is that they don't love Casey enough to to hold her accountable for her unacceptable behaviors. Pretty poor parenting, IMO.

[?noanswer]

......snipped

Cindy never asked Caylee about her babysitter? Her babysitter of a year and a half. What an awful, stupid woman.[/QUOTE]

If Cindy thought there was a nanny, she would have been questioning everyone about her. She is too controlling and a take charge person (nosey) to not have investigated. She knew KC did not have a job, too. JMO

[playnice]

*rolls eyes*

from that link:
By the time investigators working for the Anthony family were allowed to visit the site where 2-year-old Caylee Anthony's body was found, it was too late to gather any "virgin scene" evidence, says forensic scientist Henry Lee.



and just how often does the defense get to view the 'virgin scene' to look at evidence??? wow

i know it's been said here before but normally, the crime scene is gone over before anybody is even arrested. what did they expect?!


Guess they will have to resort to taking it thru the proper channel called "Requesting Discovery".

[Amy]

Of course they know.

But the point of those shows is to get people to WATCH the shows. Whether they are watching because they agree with a host or guest says - or whether they are watching because they are incensed with what a host or guest says - the main thing is to keep them watching.

Henry Lee didn't say what he said because he doesn't know how criminal investigations work. He said what he did so he can keep himself, this case, whatever he is involved in, in FRONT of the media.

Baez doesn't have to believe the stuff he says in front of the cameras. Neither do the rest of them that make statements, whether they are profound or preposterous. They are there to pique the interest of the audience. You. Me. Everybody else. The day their ratings get to the point that they can't attract advertising revenue, there will be less of this stuff. I don't think it going to happen real soon, though, because as a society we seem to have a huge appetite for crime stories & a lot of tolerance for BS.

JMO

And, IMO, it is especially important for the defense team to keep this case front and center, discussed on talk shows and headlines everyday--so they can whine about excessive or overzealous media coverage, and they can't possibly get a fair trial for their client and whaaa, whaaa, whaaa.

[~jomomma~]

I agree with you, SS. Most of what the A's have told LE and the FBI have been what they were told by Casey... they didn't make that stuff up. They wanted to believe her, and stand by her. How would that be hindering LE's searching or finding her?
It's my understanding that there were never any searches organized by OSCO... maybe because a month went by before she was reported missing, but still... they should have given it some effort.

see, my problem with that (them telling the FBI what casey told them) is this..........even after they were told those things were lies and they knew they were lies, they kept going with it! i'll never understand that!

[enigma]

And, most telling, that there are no phone calls to or from Zanny in any of Casey's voluminous cell/text phone records. None. Nada. Zilch.

Excellent point. I suppose the defense will attempt to explain that away by bring in the "missing" phone. You know... the one where she had Zanny's number stored... :sneaky:

JMHO...

[spiritwolf46]

I think it's totally possible to still unconditionally love your child without condoning their behavior. The Anthonys' problem is that they don't love Casey enough to to hold her accountable for her unacceptable behaviors. Pretty poor parenting, IMO.


That is exactly right!

BTW: ( I-O!)

[~jomomma~]

Guess they will have to resort to taking it thru the proper channel called "Requesting Discovery".

EXACTLY!!!!! :sneaky:

[happy2bme]

And, IMO, it is especially important for the defense team to keep this case front and center, discussed on talk shows and headlines everyday--so they can whine about excessive or overzealous media coverage, and they can't possibly get a fair trial for their client and whaaa, whaaa, whaaa.


I wonder how the defense will explain the computer searches for chloroform, missing children sites, neckbreaking, shovels?

[trich]

I think the train has left the station with their credibility.

I so agree!

[steffaroob4]

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[trich]

I think it's totally possible to still unconditionally love your child without condoning their behavior. The Anthonys' problem is that they don't love Casey enough to to hold her accountable for her unacceptable behaviors. Pretty poor parenting, IMO.

YEP! I agree!

[Amy]

I remember something along that line, too. And, not only was she the best mom (possibly Mother of the Year had Caylee not been found) but she acted like the mother of all her friends, too. :closedeyes:

And, even now her friends (and Cindy was talking about while in school) still call her (Casey) "mom." GMAB!!!! And, how many of her childhood/high school friends have been in her life since, oh, let's say since she quit school? Where are they now? Have they been, up to the time Casey ran away from home, @ the A's house even once a week? None of them seemed to have stepped up to support "mom" yet---maybe Baez is going to have them come in the impact statements after she is convicted?

[Regina.Lampert]

I think the stuffed animals should have been given (in Caylee's name) to the needy to begin with. Out in the elements, they will just get icky. Lets face it, poor liitle Caylee can't use them. Her mother made sure of that! I also don't like when someone is killed in an auto accident, leaving a memorial at the sight, or at someones house. I don't blame LeeA for removing it, it is just the way he did it. When did all this start anyway. It wasn't done in my youth, that I recall. That is akin to putting a black wreath on the door, when someone dies. Which they do not do anymore, to my knowlege. Which is good in my opinion. moo

I have thought this over and have done a 180. I believe that people have a right to do what they want with these stuffed toys. Had they wanted to send them to a shelter, they would have. They paid for these toys and wanted them exactly where they placed them, near the place where Caylee was thrown away by her mother.

They did not place them at the anthony home, because lee anthony gathered them up and put them in a trash bag. That's what the family did with those kind sentiments.

To have the family interfere again is disgusting and I am glad to see people filling the area up again. It's their money and they have every right to designate where they place their gift.

The anthonys should keep their hands off. imo.

[TxLady2]

They do this to keep the story alive IMO.....ratings baby!!!

What a sad world we live in :bored:

That might be true to an extent, but they might also believe, as I do, that it should not all be pro-prosecution. The other side deserves to have their say some of the time.
And believe it or not... there are quite a few folks who think it is odd that the same meter man who called THREE TIMES back in Aug. should also be the same man who stumbled across the remains. What are the odds, considering that the area was supposed to have been searched before. I don't believe that he had a part in the crime... what I believe is that the officers who were sent out should have done more than they did at the time. If this man found the body so easily... they could have found it just as easily if they had actually looked.

[Amy]

Speaking only for myself, no. I do not think the senior Anthonys will have any say in what direction the defense team goes.

Baez has been very successful in convincing Casey to not accept any visitors. Whatever he said to her, it has worked so far. He can control what information gets to her parents. In that regard, I think he has done some very impressive manuevering.

The senior Anthonys are at the mercy of Baez. In a way, so is Casey (at this point, anyway). On some level I wonder who, if anyone, has advised Baez on how to deal with Casey & her lying ways. I think he has managed to do something that she wants now & has wanted in the past - to be the center of the universe.

I don't think Baez believes she is the center of the universe. But all he has to do is keep her convinced that she really is the most important thing and that he only, only, ONLY wants to work in her best interests.

We'll see how it all pans out. One thing I do NOT expect is for LKB to have any personal interaction with Casey. I think both she & Baez know that the best way to handle Casey is to have men appear before her, seemingly enraptured in her presence.

JMO

I also don't think LKB will actually be in Casey's presence, except @ the trial. Casey would likely to tell her to take a right turn off the cliff, and LKB, just from how she speaks--in charge, take control--is NOT going to put w/Casey's lies. So, if she goes thru Baez for everything, that will take care of two things: 1) Baez will feel important, that HE is in control) and 2) she will not actually have to deal w/Casey in any manner. IMO

[?noanswer]

One problem with his new career. His grandchild was not missing. She was murdered by their daughter, her mother. I cannot imagine them coming to another victim's aid. I just don't see it.

I don't either, unless by some miracle KC is not convicted. That can never happen, tho. JMO

[AnnInOhio]

I agree with you, SS. Most of what the A's have told LE and the FBI have been what they were told by Casey... they didn't make that stuff up. They wanted to believe her, and stand by her. How would that be hindering LE's searching or finding her?
It's my understanding that there were never any searches organized by OSCO... maybe because a month went by before she was reported missing, but still... they should have given it some effort.

I'm sorry, but any adult who would believe what Casey Anthony said in the face of overwhelming proof to the contrary should have "Stupid" tatooed to their forehead! They were not unaware that Casey is/was a pathological liar, and it simply stretches credibility too much to think that in a matter as serious this that they chose NOW to begin giving Casey the benefit of the doubt.

[Regina.Lampert]

*rolls eyes*

from that link:
By the time investigators working for the Anthony family were allowed to visit the site where 2-year-old Caylee Anthony's body was found, it was too late to gather any "virgin scene" evidence, says forensic scientist Henry Lee.



and just how often does the defense get to view the 'virgin scene' to look at evidence??? wow

i know it's been said here before but normally, the crime scene is gone over before anybody is even arrested. what did they expect?!


Heck, if the babykiller would have whispered Caylee's location into baez's ear, henry could have been first on the scene.

[Amy]

when I brought up the fact that caylee never mentioned "zanny" I wondered too why no people interviewing her/them never mentioned that.

No one interviewing the A's or Baez seemed to ask many HARD questions @ all--NG, GVS, LKL, Today show, GMA, etc etc etc.) They pussy-footed around to let Cindy (and Baez) to weave their little stories, never questioning them about inconsistencies, or things that had already been proven to be lies. WHEN they mentioned anything about lies, Cindy insists she didn't lie, just told some mistruths, or left out information.

[?noanswer]

Speaking only for myself, no. I do not think the senior Anthonys will have any say in what direction the defense team goes.

Baez has been very successful in convincing Casey to not accept any visitors. Whatever he said to her, it has worked so far. He can control what information gets to her parents. In that regard, I think he has done some very impressive manuevering.

The senior Anthonys are at the mercy of Baez. In a way, so is Casey (at this point, anyway). On some level I wonder who, if anyone, has advised Baez on how to deal with Casey & her lying ways. I think he has managed to do something that she wants now & has wanted in the past - to be the center of the universe.

I don't think Baez believes she is the center of the universe. But all he has to do is keep her convinced that she really is the most important thing and that he only, only, ONLY wants to work in her best interests.

We'll see how it all pans out. One thing I do NOT expect is for LKB to have any personal interaction with Casey. I think both she & Baez know that the best way to handle Casey is to have men appear before her, seemingly enraptured in her presence.

JMO


I guess LKB will handle the forensic aspects of the case. She'll run home every night and ask her husband what she should do. It is amazing that a lawyer will take a case without first speaking to a client. JMO

[Mimi428]

And, IMO, it is especially important for the defense team to keep this case front and center, discussed on talk shows and headlines everyday--so they can whine about excessive or overzealous media coverage, and they can't possibly get a fair trial for their client and whaaa, whaaa, whaaa.

Yep. For them, there isn't a big downside to any of it. If the media keeps covering it & they keep getting invited to shows like NG or Greta - they can later on claim that they must get a change of venue.

The people who are the most enamored of those kinds of shows & these kinds of message boards are not going to be on the jury anyway. I don't live in Florida, but if I did - and if I received a jury summons for this case, I would be struck for cause.

The more people they can get rid of because they have heard about the case, the better for the defense. They will be left with people who just are not immersed in true crime stuff, who don't watch the shows like NG or Geraldo.

Great way to weed out the folks who are, in their heart of hearts, victims' advocates, IMO

[Dogmatic]

Excellent point. I suppose the defense will attempt to explain that away by bring in the "missing" phone. You know... the one where she had Zanny's number stored... :sneaky:

JMHO...

It doesn't matter if the phone is missing. The call records aren't missing.

That will tell the story

[Loves2Read]

That's very nice of you. I am not very nice you see. I think that even if they do change their ways, the field of missing child advocates is already filled with better people than the A's.

ITA! And I agree with you when you say Caylee was never missing. She was murdered.

The person who had legal custody of her (Casey) knew exactly were she was the whole time.

[?noanswer]

And, even now her friends (and Cindy was talking about while in school) still call her (Casey) "mom." GMAB!!!! And, how many of her childhood/high school friends have been in her life since, oh, let's say since she quit school? Where are they now? Have they been, up to the time Casey ran away from home, @ the A's house even once a week? None of them seemed to have stepped up to support "mom" yet---maybe Baez is going to have them come in the impact statements after she is convicted?

Think they said "Oh mama, you sure are good at making whopee"!!!!

[MichelleP]

There's actually people who feel the toys should not be donated? I can not believe that, imo the Anthony's are doing the right thing by donating them.

[PROPROS]

ITA....what grandmother has her grandchild live in the house with her but doesn't know the nanny, doesn't have the nanny phone number, address and has NEVER seen the nanny? What if something happen to Casey while she was at "work" who would pick Caylee up?Good point and one that will not be lost on a jury! The only way I would buy the story of Cindy not having a #, is if Casey and Caylee lived out of the city or state and were not close to the family. However.....NO WAY...would Cindy Anthony trust "anybody" to watch her grandaughter. IMO< wouldn't she be concerned about who was in that house with Zanny! This was a grandmother who said she washed her kids 2x a day and seems to be an extremly obsessive person.mo

[Dogmatic]

Heck, if the babykiller would have whispered Caylee's location into baez's ear, henry could have been first on the scene.

Exactly. If Henry wanted a "virgin crime scene" Casey should have provided him that info.

[AnnInOhio]

Excellent point. I suppose the defense will attempt to explain that away by bring in the "missing" phone. You know... the one where she had Zanny's number stored... :sneaky:

JMHO...

Yeah, well Casey what what that phone's number and what phone company was that missing phone with? Even if there is a "missing phone with the stored number" there would be a record somewhere of calls made to and from that phone. Like the unemployed Casey had a phone solely dedicated to making and receiving calls with the nanny. Pfft! None, nada, zilch.

[Pebbles]

You are not alone. Believe me!



Thanks spiritwolf46.

I don't "hate" the A's, but I am not capable of feeling sympathy for them anymore. I cannot understand how people are so accepting of the A's behavior over the last six months.

My sympathy is for Caylee, I cry tears for her.

[Sweetly]

Just want to wish everyone a very happy, blessed and memorable holiday! Am gone to see my precious daughter until after Christmas so be blessed ever so wonderfully, everyone! Huge Hugs to ALL! :biggrin:

[AnnInOhio]

Exactly. If Henry wanted a "virgin crime scene" Casey should have provided him that info.

If Henry Lee wants to mine a fertile field for useful information about the crime, he should start analyzing the psyche of Casey Anthony.

[PROPROS]

Just want to wish everyone a very happy, blessed and memorable holiday! Am gone to see my precious daughter until after Christmas so be blessed ever so wonderfully, everyone! Huge Hugs to ALL! :biggrin:You too Sweetly!! Have a safe and wonderful holiday.mo

[TxLady2]

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I thought it was against bar rules for an attorney to knowing lie about evidence or circumstantial evidence or to even knowing allow their clients to lie about information.

IMO it would be hard to believe that the Anthony lawer thinks anyone other than Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. So how does he get away with planting tainted information?

I'm not sure exactly what you are meaning here. What "tainted" information is he planting? How is he lying about evidence, knowingly or not? He is offering an alternative point of view... that is not lying or planting tainted information! The trial has not gone to court yet... either side is allowed to say what they want to until they get in the courtroom. Also... he is speaking for the Anthonys, and this is what they believe... it's their right until it's proven otherwise.

[PROPROS]

I think it's totally possible to still unconditionally love your child without condoning their behavior. The Anthonys' problem is that they don't love Casey enough to to hold her accountable for her unacceptable behaviors. Pretty poor parenting, IMO.
That is exactly what my problem is with The Anthony's. Love Casey...but don't excuse and protect her from the crime she committed. This does not show IMO, a loyalty to Caylee. To Casey ...yes...but not to Caylee.mo

[MoonFlwr]

Heck, if the babykiller would have whispered Caylee's location into baez's ear, henry could have been first on the scene.

Good one! ;)

[happy2bme]

Yeah, well Casey what what that phone's number and what phone company was that missing phone with? Even if there is a "missing phone with the stored number" there would be a record somewhere of calls made to and from that phone. Like the unemployed Casey had a phone solely dedicated to making and receiving calls with the nanny. Pfft! None, nada, zilch.


Why in the world would she have a seperate phone just for the nanny in the first place?

[TxLady2]

Caylee was not a missing child, she was a murdered child. MOO

She was missing until she was found. Alive or dead, if her whereabouts were not known, she was missing. She is not missing now.
There are families who have had missing loves ones for many years.

[Pebbles]

Did Casey tell Cindy to give LE the wrong hairbrush? Why did Cindy regret giving LE the correct toothbrush? Why did she say she wished she had given them the dog's toothbrush? How come at first when they spoke to Casey in jail they did not believe her lies? It sounded like the last time they ever used one lick of common sense. They were just as "shattered" then as later I imagine.

HOW COME THEY NEVER DID TAKE LIE DETECTOR TESTS???




MrsHudson do you think anyone will ever be able to give us the truthful answer to these questions? I know this is not something I would have done if I wanted to find my grandchild, and yes, I can say I know this is not how I would act because I know myself better than anyone else does!!

[AnnInOhio]

There's actually people who feel the toys should not be donated? I can not believe that, imo the Anthony's are doing the right thing by donating them.

The toys weren't given to the Anthonys; after all, the Anthonys made it pretty clear they didn't want toys (or anything else) left in Caylee's memory by picking up anything left at their house and putting it in trash bags. Unless the items were left on the Anthony's property, they were not the Anthony's to give. People bought and left the items in remembrance of Caylee, not Toys for Tots!! IMO, of course.

[MerriMent]

Exactly. For neither Cindy or George to have never ever met this so called baby sitter is horrible. What if Casey was injured going to or coming from her imaginary job? Woudn't THEY have to go get Caylee? This is absurd in every sense of the word.

Parents especially do and say absurd things when they are wracked with guilt and feel responsible for a tragedy. If the Anthonys demanded Casey get a job then they are going to blame themselves for what followed. They had to suspect the job was a lie. It explains why George wanted to look in the trunk of Casey's car that day in June. He was looking for Caylee because he didn't believe the job existed and leaving a child in a hot car in June would be totally irresponsible but perhaps typical of Casey.

[Pebbles]

Exactly. If Henry wanted a "virgin crime scene" Casey should have provided him that info.



Could someone call up the news shows and mention this to them!

[AnnInOhio]

Why in the world would she have a seperate phone just for the nanny in the first place?

Or how is it a number as important as your nanny's wouldn't get carried over to a "new" phone but all your friends and family did? Did Casey magically memorize every number but Zannys?

[Amy]

Heck, if the babykiller would have whispered Caylee's location into baez's ear, henry could have been first on the scene.

Remember that Baez was wanting to take his client on a Caylee finding excursion early on, and they were denied. What do you be that this will come up somehow? Of course, they would have to come up/w some concocted story about how the nanny not only had a key to the house, and Casey's password, but that Casey had shown her (nanny) her (Casey's) favorite childhood hang out so the nanny would be able to take Caylee there. And, of course, Casey would remember this, and she and Baez would have found the body, and would have insisted it was the Nanny. IMO

[Loves2Read]

She was missing until she was found. Alive or dead, if her whereabouts were not known, she was missing. She is not missing now.
There are families who have had missing loves ones for many years.

The main family member who should have said something about the child being missing and the person with legal custody of Caylee knew where she was the whole time. She was not a missing person, but a murdered person.

IMO A person that is truly missing is someone that no one in the family has any idea where they are and what has happened to them.

[Regina.Lampert]

She was missing until she was found. Alive or dead, if her whereabouts were not known, she was missing. She is not missing now.
There are families who have had missing loves ones for many years.

casey anthony knew all along where Caylee was. Caylee wasn't missing, she was hidden. imo.

[happy2bme]

casey anthony knew all along where Caylee was. Caylee wasn't missing, she was hidden. imo.


She sure didn't lie about Caylee being "close".

[Regina.Lampert]

Remember that Baez was wanting to take his client on a Caylee finding excursion early on, and they were denied. What do you be that this will come up somehow? Of course, they would have to come up/w some concocted story about how the nanny not only had a key to the house, and Casey's password, but that Casey had shown her (nanny) her (Casey's) favorite childhood hang out so the nanny would be able to take Caylee there. And, of course, Casey would remember this, and she and Baez would have found the body, and would have insisted it was the Nanny. IMO

I do remember that request. Makes ya wonder, don't it?

[playnice]

A good cause for the Anthonys to take up would be support for families who have a loved one murdered by a family member. Caylee wasnt missing. she was right where her mother put her.
When was anything useful thrown out by the Anthonys to even give the public a clue where to even begin looking?

[~jomomma~]

i hope they ask george in court about the one interview the FBI had with him, where he was saying how Caylee would talk about 'uncle lee' and 'mallory' and other people, but when george would ask her about 'hey, how was your day with zanny?' poor Caylee had no response....nothing.

george knew

[Mimi428]

Thanks spiritwolf46.

I don't "hate" the A's, but I am not capable of feeling sympathy for them anymore. I cannot understand how people are so accepting of the A's behavior over the last six months.

My sympathy is for Caylee, I cry tears for her.

What is your definition of "accepting"? I don't admire their behavior, but I also don't feel the necessity to criticize what they do. I have not been in their exact position, but I have been in the position of having a family member murdered in a most horrifying fashion. On that level I can at least comprehend that they are blinded by their grief & their agony. In the situation for us, we were able to focus our outrage on people who would fit the definition of 'dregs of society'. I can't say it was a comfort, but I can say that it at least provided an outlet. I really cannot imagine how compounded the agony & torment would have been if we had to deal with the murderer(s) being someone we knew & loved. All I know is that 6 months later, 12 months later, 2 years later, every last one of us in the family could probably have said that we did & said & thought things that were far removed from anything we previously believed we would have been capable of.

So when I look at the senior Anthonys, I think to myself, "there but for the grace of God..."

[AnnInOhio]

The main family member who should have said something about the child being missing and the person with legal custody of Caylee knew where she was the whole time. She was not a missing person, but a murdered person.

IMO A person that is truly missing is someone that no one in the family has any idea where they are and what has happened to them.

I think that concept was totally lost on Cindy & George Anthony! Of course, if they never really viewed Caylee as being Casey's child instead of theirs, I suppose it could cloud their perception.

[MerriMent]

i hope they ask george in court about the one interview the FBI had with him, where he was saying how Caylee would talk about 'uncle lee' and 'mallory' and other people, but when george would ask her about 'hey, how was your day with zanny?' poor Caylee had no response....nothing.

george knew

ITA. He suspected it was a lie and he was right.

[SwFlorida]

she wasn't even hidden in my mind.............she was DUMPED:(

Like a bag of trash..:cursing:

[Freefall]

Did Casey tell Cindy to give LE the wrong hairbrush? Why did Cindy regret giving LE the correct toothbrush? Why did she say she wished she had given them the dog's toothbrush? How come at first when they spoke to Casey in jail they did not believe her lies? It sounded like the last time they ever used one lick of common sense. They were just as "shattered" then as later I imagine.

HOW COME THEY NEVER DID TAKE LIE DETECTOR TESTS???

Possibly because they're LIARS?

[PROPROS]

Yes, for Cindy and George claiming they cared so much for their gd, not knowing the long-time nanny is absurd and utter nonsense! No excuse! IMOIMO, if Cindy tells a jury that she did not have a # or address for Zanny, every mother or grandmother on the jury is going to be thinking....WHAT!! For all intents and purposes Cindy was Caylee's "mother". She supported her,paid for everything (her own words) and probably spent the most time with Caylee. Casey was IMO, just the bio mother. As we know it takes more than delivering a child to be a mother. So, for her to "support" Caylee in every other way and not know who is caring for her...Not buying it! mo

[Pebbles]

Number one. Your first question is not making any sense to me.
Number two. It shows she gave then less than the best evidence she should have.
Number three. She wished she had not have given them that toothbrush but the dog's instead. One wonders why it bothered her.
I think LE does have issues with them or else their attorney would not have announced that they gave conflicting statements.

I still want to know why they till this day have not taken lie detector tests.



Mrs Hudson, thank you for being a great voice on this forum. Your posts give me hope that there will be justice in the end.

I have to get dinner together, just wanted you to know I appreciate your posts and know that like me, you only want justice for little Caylee.

[MerriMent]

They have not blamed themselves or Casey for one single solitary thing that I can think of. In fact Cindy said they were all going to go to heaven, including Casey, because they had not done anything wrong.


They are all perfect. And Casey is the mother of the year.Cindy says so.

I meant they are blaming themselves privately and that's why they're not helping throw their daughter under the bus.

[smileyjoe]

i hope they ask george in court about the one interview the FBI had with him, where he was saying how Caylee would talk about 'uncle lee' and 'mallory' and other people, but when george would ask her about 'hey, how was your day with zanny?' poor Caylee had no response....nothing.

george knew

Well, one would have to believe that G. KNEW abut "Zanny the Nanny" prior to his interview with the FBI.

I don't think either C or G knew what the imaginary nannys name was until crap hit the fan with Casey.

imo

Joe.

[AnnInOhio]

What is your definition of "accepting"? I don't admire their behavior, but I also don't feel the necessity to criticize what they do. I have not been in their exact position, but I have been in the position of having a family member murdered in a most horrifying fashion. On that level I can at least comprehend that they are blinded by their grief & their agony. In the situation for us, we were able to focus our outrage on people who would fit the definition of 'dregs of society'. I can't say it was a comfort, but I can say that it at least provided an outlet. I really cannot imagine how compounded the agony & torment would have been if we had to deal with the murderer(s) being someone we knew & loved. All I know is that 6 months later, 12 months later, 2 years later, every last one of us in the family could probably have said that we did & said & thought things that were far removed from anything we previously believed we would have been capable of.

So when I look at the senior Anthonys, I think to myself, "there but for the grace of God..."

Would you at least concede that the Anthonys tolerance of Casey's misdeeds far predated the event at hand? The Anthonys appear to have had a track record of never holding Casey accountable for her actions. And when push came to shove over Caylee's disappearance, they caved yet again.

[Loves2Read]

They have not blamed themselves or Casey for one single solitary thing that I can think of. In fact Cindy said they were all going to go to heaven, including Casey, because they had not done anything wrong.


They are all perfect. And Casey is the mother of the year.Cindy says so.

Yes, I think you have a very good handle on what Cindy says and believes. ITA.

[TxLady2]

Of course they know.

But the point of those shows is to get people to WATCH the shows. Whether they are watching because they agree with a host or guest says - or whether they are watching because they are incensed with what a host or guest says - the main thing is to keep them watching.

Henry Lee didn't say what he said because he doesn't know how criminal investigations work. He said what he did so he can keep himself, this case, whatever he is involved in, in FRONT of the media.

Baez doesn't have to believe the stuff he says in front of the cameras. Neither do the rest of them that make statements, whether they are profound or preposterous. They are there to pique the interest of the audience. You. Me. Everybody else. The day their ratings get to the point that they can't attract advertising revenue, there will be less of this stuff. I don't think it going to happen real soon, though, because as a society we seem to have a huge appetite for crime stories & a lot of tolerance for BS.

JMO


Well, of course they want people to watch... that is a given. However, I do believe that the TH's who appear on these news shows are there because they are asked to be, based on their expertise in these fields. The legal experts are there to help the viewers understand the fine points of the law and how to apply it to a particular case. But to be fair... there is not a show on t.v. that does not advertise to get viewers... after all, it is a business. If I am not mistaken, Fox News is consistently ahead of the other networks, and that may be because it is fair and balanced.... not just favoring one side or the other.

[playnice]

I meant they are blaming themselves privately and that's why they're not helping throw their daughter under the bus.

Casey "You mean you dont know my involvement in this?"
Meaning if you hadnt choked me and possibly told her to get out, none of this would have happened. Casey knows how to pull Cindys strings. And Cindy backs down from her.
Cindy may be blaming herself more than Casey right now because she already knew her daughter was a spiteful B****.

[Amy]

Why in the world would she have a seperate phone just for the nanny in the first place?

That's the point--she didn't, it was the only way she could come up w/as to why she didn't have Zanny's number on the phone she was in possesion of.

[*MoonRider*]

She was missing until she was found. Alive or dead, if her whereabouts were not known, she was missing. She is not missing now.
There are families who have had missing loves ones for many years.

My heart goes out to all of the missing children but Casey knew where she left Caylee. MOO

[MerriMent]

Well, one would have to believe that G. KNEW abut "Zanny the Nanny" prior to his interview with the FBI.

I don't think either C or G knew what the imaginary nannys name was until crap hit the fan with Casey.

imo

Joe.

Liars embellish their lies with such details. Casey invented a job title, office, etc so why wouldn't she invent a name for her fake nanny?

[Rayosunshine]

Good morning everyone.

I found this statement by Brad Conway interesting:

Conway said the Anthonys would love to visit their daughter in jail this week and share as a family, but because their conversations are recorded, they are choosing not to.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18318021/detail.html

"love to visit" and "share as a family" I may have to reconsider my opinion that Cynthia and George have left the dark side. What on earth would they be "sharing" with the person who killed Caylee? I am not understanding this statement at all. Anyone have an opinion?

You would think the jail could arrange a private, unrecorded visit of the A's with Casey. Of course, a member of the jail would have to be present, but I don't think that, considering the circumstances, it should be put out for all the world to see. It might get a little testy, if you know what I mean.

[Amy]

The only way there is a missing phone is if CASEY can prove the missing PHONE # and the missing PHONE BILL from the other line. If it was a simple simcard change it would all be on her phone bills

And she DID say it was a simple sim card change. She used the same sim for both phones, according to HER story.

[AnnInOhio]

IMO, if Cindy tells a jury that she did not have a # or address for Zanny, every mother or grandmother on the jury is going to be thinking....WHAT!! For all intents and purposes Cindy was Caylee's "mother". She supported her,paid for everything (her own words) and probably spent the most time with Caylee. Casey was IMO, just the bio mother. As we know it takes more than delivering a child to be a mother. So, for her to "support" Caylee in every other way and not know who is caring for her...Not buying it! mo

How many mothers and grandmothers on that jury would not insist on knowing who their grandchild's father is? Would not be able to remember what name was on some newspaper obituary that's tossed in a drawer somewhere in their home? Puleeze. The Anthonys have simply never had the backbone to confront their daughter.

[enigma]

He can't. His concern are his clients and his clients only, which are George and Cindy. What I find most revealing is that we have George and Cindy's attorney who specializes in obstruction of justice cases, as evidenced by the law firm bio that someone else posted a couple pages back and we have Lee who's attorney specializes in murder and homicide. Very revealing IMHO

SEE I PUT IMHO FOR YOU, NIKKI. :)

Interesting observation! I don't think Lee had anything to do with Caylee's homicide, but it's interesting.

JMHO...

[happy2bme]

How many mothers and grandmothers on that jury would not insist on knowing who their grandchild's father is? Would not be able to remember what name was on some newspaper obituary that's tossed in a drawer somewhere in their home? Puleeze. The Anthonys have simply never had the backbone to confront their daughter.


IMO..I think there are more secrets that the A's don't want out there.

[MerriMent]

Casey "You mean you dont know my involvement in this?"
Meaning if you hadnt choked me and possibly told her to get out, none of this would have happened. Casey knows how to pull Cindys strings. And Cindy backs down from her.
Cindy may be blaming herself more than Casey right now because she already knew her daughter was a spiteful B****.

ITA. I must say, though, choking was totally out of line on Cindy's part. That's a degree of violence that isn't indicative of someone "backing down." Cindy strikes me as a manipulator as well.

[PROPROS]

You would think the jail could arrange a private, unrecorded visit of the A's with Casey. Of course, a member of the jail would have to be present, but I don't think that, considering the circumstances, it should be put out for all the world to see. It might get a little testy, if you know what I mean.But, how would that be fair to the other inmates. I'm sure some of them might want an unrecorded call with friends/family. mo

[nana6]

IMO, if Cindy tells a jury that she did not have a # or address for Zanny, every mother or grandmother on the jury is going to be thinking....WHAT!! For all intents and purposes Cindy was Caylee's "mother". She supported her,paid for everything (her own words) and probably spent the most time with Caylee. Casey was IMO, just the bio mother. As we know it takes more than delivering a child to be a mother. So, for her to "support" Caylee in every other way and not know who is caring for her...Not buying it! mo

Hi All, Added to this, I am wondering- I saw Cindy on a show recently with George,being interviewed and she said that Casey very often was not at home at night with Caylee to sleep. Well, where in the world did she t hink her little 2 year old gd was for the whole night? Now, imo that is not normal either especially for a gm who was as caring as we hear Cindy was. I would not want my daughter to take my gd out all the time for overnights anywhere.

[nana6]

Well, one would have to believe that G. KNEW abut "Zanny the Nanny" prior to his interview with the FBI.

I don't think either C or G knew what the imaginary nannys name was until crap hit the fan with Casey.

imo

Joe.

Can you even imagine not knowing the nanny's name, address or phone number? Nope, it does not make any sense at all. I just wonder really where did they really think Casey was everyday with Caylee. They had to know imo that she did not work. Where did they think she took Caylee everyday? She had no income tax forms from work because she did not work now that is a big giveaway right there.

[tisamystery]

Me to tisamystery. I one I liked best was when HL said about the MP case too much blood to be a murder

:laugh: THAT was a classic!

[tisamystery]

Nanny--that still floors me. In these parts, a NANNY is a person who @ the least, comes TO THE HOME to care for the child(ren) and usually lives there except her day off. Anyone else is a baby sitter or day care provider.


Exactly. A lot of people call their babysitters "nanny" these days because they like the way it sounds. Nannies come to or live in the home and are more than babysitters. I know. I've been one and I've hired several.

[PROPROS]

How many mothers and grandmothers on that jury would not insist on knowing who their grandchild's father is? Would not be able to remember what name was on some newspaper obituary that's tossed in a drawer somewhere in their home? Puleeze. The Anthonys have simply never had the backbone to confront their daughter.I agree. Just for the sake of Caylee's health,it would be important. When they are talking with Casey about the "fingers" making up who she is,I was like...WHAT about the father's side. Do they assume that this was an immaculate conception and only The Anthony genes were what made Caylee...Caylee!mo

[*MoonRider*]

Casey "You mean you dont know my involvement in this?"
Meaning if you hadnt choked me and possibly told her to get out, none of this would have happened. Casey knows how to pull Cindys strings. And Cindy backs down from her.
Cindy may be blaming herself more than Casey right now because she already knew her daughter was a spiteful B****.

I think that first call was where we got to see the real Casey before Jose. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTErOwr53XQ

[Amy]

[QUOTE=smileyjoe;12571592]Well, one would have to believe that G. KNEW abut "Zanny the Nanny" prior to his interview with the FBI.

I don't think either C or G knew what the imaginary nannys name was until crap hit the fan with Casey.

imo
imo (don't you love that?) on certain occassions Casey would tell her parents she had a baby sitter. maybe not the same one , but whoever she had to baby sit friends, whatever. George and Cindy never heard of freakin Zanaida in their life. Casey invented it after Baby Caylee died. she did not want to say the baby sitter was her friends because then they could be questioned . she had to create a baby sitter ( nanny sound more sophisticatead to the anthonys' ( that would NOT EXIST FOR THE KIDNAPPING ) She did not need a daily baby sitter because she did not work. I do not believe for one minute that C and G thought Casey had a job at Universal . I am also wondering if Casey received SSI and Medicaid for Casey. George and Cindy knew about the "club promotions" I believe but not any other jobs.

Zanny was a name Casey told to Mr Grund in 2006, so it is not just a name concocted after she killed Caylee. Now, whether or not George or Cindy had ever actually heard that name before Casey left home, I don't know, and it's hard to decifer if Cindy is lying about that or not. George has conflicting stories, as I am sure he said HE had not heard the name Zanny, but he also said the name Zanny evoked no response in Caylee. Which is it, George? Either way, I don't think CAYLEE knew anything about a nanny named Zanny or anything else. IMO, of course.

I don't know about FL, but some states require ABSOLUTE (sorry folks) proof of the father of the baby--no name given, no money received for assistance. She would not receive SS either, unless there was proof of a DEAD daddy. She wouldn't qualify under any other circumstance that I am aware of.

[happy2bme]

Cindy claimed in her fbi interview that Casey KNEW who Caylee's father was (she even named him) she claimed he died in a car wreck and Caylee had a half-sibling. she then claimed that Casey kept in contact with his WIDOW....I do not have a link but it is in the last fbi interview/video dump.


If this were true...wouldn't they have tried to get social security (whatever its called) from his death?

[tisamystery]

I think it's totally possible to still unconditionally love your child without condoning their behavior. The Anthonys' problem is that they don't love Casey enough to to hold her accountable for her unacceptable behaviors. Pretty poor parenting, IMO.

Ah, one of my favorite gripes. I think parents today think they are required to stand by their kid NO MATTER WHAT and to do less makes them a bad parent. We need a shake-up in our current society to make parents understand that they stand up for their kid when they are in the right - not in the wrong. Otherwise, what are they teaching their kids?

[MerriMent]

[QUOTE=smileyjoe;12571592]Well, one would have to believe that G. KNEW abut "Zanny the Nanny" prior to his interview with the FBI.

I don't think either C or G knew what the imaginary nannys name was until crap hit the fan with Casey.

imo
imo (don't you love that?) on certain occassions Casey would tell her parents she had a baby sitter. maybe not the same one , but whoever she had to baby sit friends, whatever. George and Cindy never heard of freakin Zanaida in their life. Casey invented it after Baby Caylee died. she did not want to say the baby sitter was her friends because then they could be questioned . she had to create a baby sitter ( nanny sound more sophisticatead to the anthonys' ( that would NOT EXIST FOR THE KIDNAPPING ) She did not need a daily baby sitter because she did not work. I do not believe for one minute that C and G thought Casey had a job at Universal . I am also wondering if Casey received SSI and Medicaid for Casey. George and Cindy knew about the "club promotions" I believe but not any other jobs.

I think George suspected the job and nanny were lies and that's why he asked for the nanny's name and asked Caylee about her. Casey didn't just start lying. I bet we learn she had been lying for years whenever Cindy drew a line in the sand about something. Casey embellished her lies to her friends as much as to her parents.

[tisamystery]

And, even now her friends (and Cindy was talking about while in school) still call her (Casey) "mom." GMAB!!!! And, how many of her childhood/high school friends have been in her life since, oh, let's say since she quit school? Where are they now? Have they been, up to the time Casey ran away from home, @ the A's house even once a week? None of them seemed to have stepped up to support "mom" yet---maybe Baez is going to have them come in the impact statements after she is convicted?

Is it possible they called her "mom" in a negative way? As in "stop telling me what to do"?

[daHawg]

Did anybody else hear this - I was making a cake and missed some of it BUT on MSNBC probably 30-45 minutes ago there was a news story that said apparently Casey had given a list of names to her attorneys to use as character witnesses. One name was supposed to be her best friend, it was a man's name. When the attorney called him the man said he would not be a character witness that he believed Casey was quite capable of killing Caylee. DID ANYBODY ELSE HEAR THAT? If so, clarify details for me.

I think IIRC that would be Ryan who told LE back in the beginning that he was contacted by Baez and he had told Baez that nothing he would say would help Casey. Something to that effect.

[PROPROS]

Can you even imagine not knowing the nanny's name, address or phone number? Nope, it does not make any sense at all. I just wonder really where did they really think Casey was everyday with Caylee. They had to know imo that she did not work. Where did they think she took Caylee everyday? She had no income tax forms from work because she did not work now that is a big giveaway right there.Hi Nana, That was a big "red flag" as far as I was concerned. Cindy was asked (at the bond hearing) about Casey's income taxes. IIRC, she said she had not seen a form.mo

[PuffDragon]

Made me think of Cindy telling (I believe) Greta how good of a mother Casey was...that she kept an extra key to her car in her pocket in case Caylee were too lock herself in. Something along those lines anyways...:glare:

I always took that as more of Cindy's preemptive damage control in case it started to look like Casey had accidentally locked Caylee in the car - maybe because it had happened before. She might have had a suspicion. I figured every time Cindy 'remembered' something it was probably misdirection so we would look there and not here. Every time she did it I thought it was a very clear picture of what she was really thinking.

[bchand]

Did anybody else hear this - I was making a cake and missed some of it BUT on MSNBC probably 30-45 minutes ago there was a news story that said apparently Casey had given a list of names to her attorneys to use as character witnesses. One name was supposed to be her best friend, it was a man's name. When the attorney called him the man said he would not be a character witness that he believed Casey was quite capable of killing Caylee. DID ANYBODY ELSE HEAR THAT? If so, clarify details for me.

I don't watch MSNBC but that sounds like Ryan Pasley - her childhood friend.

A lifelong friend, Ryan Pasley, told investigators it would take "the fear of God" to get Casey to tell the truth. She's not going to do anything for anybody, he told them, unless there's something in it for her.

When Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, asked Pasley about being a character witness for her, Pasley said "I’ll tell you whatever you want to know. I just don't think it's going to help your case."

http://www.wesh.com/news/17303070/detail.html

[bchand]

Ah, one of my favorite gripes. I think parents today think they are required to stand by their kid NO MATTER WHAT and to do less makes them a bad parent. We need a shake-up in our current society to make parents understand that they stand up for their kid when they are in the right - not in the wrong. Otherwise, what are they teaching their kids?

That's right. You can love them forever but if you don't teach them to acknowledge their mistakes, you will end up not liking them very much.

[bluwaters]

Anthony attorney sets up new tip line

http://www.wwsb.com/Global/story.asp?S=9567227

Baez is looking for tips to confirm that Casey did not kill Caylee?!?
I just saw this.
Sorry if it has been discussed, I've been gone all day.

[BobbisAngel]

Okay, come down hard on me if you must, I honestly want to know, but if I were the grand parent in this situation, there is no way on Earth I could or would ever look at the daughter again except in the court room. I thought before I posted this and NO, I would not visit her, support her, or want any contact with her at all ever again. If it turns out to be a mental illness, that might be a different story. Maybe I am more cold-hearted than I thought, but in this situation, she would be out of my life.
Would you think I would be wrong to feel that way? :shrug:


No, you are not wrong because I feel the same way. There is no way I could even look at her again. Maybe we are both cold hearted but we feel the way we feel and that is our right. She still isn't telling the truth.

If Casey had been my daughter she would be bald headed because I would have pulled her hair out of her head until she told me where my granddaughter was and what happened to her. I wouldn't have tip toed around her and kissed her butt the way some did and still do. Unless she talked she wouldn't have been living in my home. Maybe her attorney would have moved her in with him and his wife!

I think George and Cindy's attorney made that statement for them because they want everyone to know that they would really like to spend time with precious but can't because of the press. She is still lying George and Cindy!

[?noanswer]

Did anybody else hear this - I was making a cake and missed some of it BUT on MSNBC probably 30-45 minutes ago there was a news story that said apparently Casey had given a list of names to her attorneys to use as character witnesses. One name was supposed to be her best friend, it was a man's name. When the attorney called him the man said he would not be a character witness that he believed Casey was quite capable of killing Caylee. DID ANYBODY ELSE HEAR THAT? If so, clarify details for me.

I did not hear the program you are referring to, but a long time ago, it was reported that a lifetime friend, Ryan Pasley? was called by the defense to see if he would be a character witness. He supposedly said, I will, but I don't think you will like what I say. Maybe that is who they were referring to. Could be a lot of people though that would refuse. JMO

[MerriMent]

I always took that as more of Cindy's preemptive damage control in case it started to look like Casey had accidentally locked Caylee in the car - maybe because it had happened before. She might have had a suspicion. I figured every time Cindy 'remembered' something it was probably misdirection so we would look there and not here. Every time she did it I thought it was a very clear picture of what she was really thinking.

So do I. I think past incidents of irresponsibility are what the Anthonys are holding back: Casey had either left Caylee home alone or in the car alone.

[bchand]

Anthony attorney sets up new tip line

http://www.wwsb.com/Global/story.asp?S=9567227

Baez is looking for tips to confirm that Casey did not kill Caylee?!?
I just saw this.
Sorry if it has been discussed, I've been gone all day.

OMG Jose is at it again. "Will the real murderer please call my tip line?"

That's a new one bluwaters :)

[Amy]

Anthony attorney sets up new tip line

http://www.wwsb.com/Global/story.asp?S=9567227

Baez is looking for tips to confirm that Casey did not kill Caylee?!?
I just saw this.
Sorry if it has been discussed, I've been gone all day.

He's got to be kidding!!!! I suppose NOW there are going to be a gazillion tips about seeing some sinister person lurking in that area, to say nothing of another 1500 psychic tips (of which 1500 of the first bunch seemed to be wrong.)

[tulpje]

You would think the jail could arrange a private, unrecorded visit of the A's with Casey. Of course, a member of the jail would have to be present, but I don't think that, considering the circumstances, it should be put out for all the world to see. It might get a little testy, if you know what I mean.



Why would the jail make special arrangements for the Anthony's?

She's just an other inmate sitting in jail, waiting for her day in court.

There are reasons for the jail to set up visiting time with family members the way they do.

Also if they make exceptions for the Anthony's, they have to make exceptions for every other inmate.

[CNTM]

No, you are not wrong because I feel the same way. There is no way I could even look at her again. Maybe we are both cold hearted but we feel the way we feel and that is our right. She still isn't telling the truth.

If Casey had been my daughter she would be bald headed because I would have pulled her hair out of her head until she told me where my granddaughter was and what happened to her. I wouldn't have tip toed around her and kissed her butt the way some did and still do. Unless she talked she wouldn't have been living in my home. Maybe her attorney would have moved her in with him and his wife!

I think George and Cindy's attorney made that statement for them because they want everyone to know that they would really like to spend time with precious but can't because of the press. She is still lying George and Cindy!

Just got back! I said a few months ago, I would have snatched her bald-headed!

[Rayosunshine]

Anthony attorney sets up new tip line

http://www.wwsb.com/Global/story.asp?S=9567227

Baez is looking for tips to confirm that Casey did not kill Caylee?!?
I just saw this.
Sorry if it has been discussed, I've been gone all day.

Is that strange or what? Anybody know of this happening before?

[bluwaters]

Caylee Anthony's Family Mourns
http://www.wytv.com/news/crawl/36589209.html

Chuck Eddy and his wife Kathy are Caylee's great uncle and aunt. They say the bright eyed little girl the entire nation has come to know was precocious, smart, and above all, she was loved.

[ccnsd]

Good afternoon everyone. I started a new refreshing thread for this afternoon. Lets move on over. Here's the link http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=346980


It's tough to go through pages & pages that just keeps going. :laugh:

[darcie]

Wasn't it reported just today that LE had no plans to charge George and Cindy Anthony with any crimes connected to the death of their grandaughter?
imo

*above was snipped

I beleive that it was the Anthony's lawyer reporting the no charges.

[MerriMent]

So violence is the answer, thats how you would get to your kid to talk by pulling their hair from their heads?

Thats very civilized.

Domestic violence might be why Casey turned out the way she did. Isn't Cindy choking Casey what started this death spiral?

[tisamystery]

The best way to get Casey to talk is to simply sit and listen. She feels compelled to fill quiet space. She's uncomfortable in silence. So sit back and she'll fill the void. Mostly lies but, eventually, she'll start slipping up.

[CNTM]

So violence is the answer, thats how you would get to your kid to talk by pulling their hair from their heads?

Thats very civilized.

In a case like this, you betcha'! Pussy footin' did no good for the Anthony's.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Is JG’s attorney the same Darryl B Cohen:
Atlanta Entertainment, Media and Criminal Defense attorney
http://www.emmyonline.org/emmy/trustee/Exec.html
http://darrylcohen.tv/gallery2.htm
who appeared on CNN HN NG on December 12th ???
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/12/ng.01.html

[?noanswer]

He's got to be kidding!!!! I suppose NOW there are going to be a gazillion tips about seeing some sinister person lurking in that area, to say nothing of another 1500 psychic tips (of which 1500 of the first bunch seemed to be wrong.)

No mention of a reward. Don't think there will be many calls. If there are, it will be from the loonies out there looking for 15 min. JMO

[Amy]

Why would the jail make special arrangements for the Anthony's?

She's just an other inmate sitting in jail, waiting for her day in court.

There are reasons for the jail to set up visiting time with family members the way they do.

Also if they make exceptions for the Anthony's, they have to make exceptions for every other inmate.

Indeed. There obviously have been other inmates who have had loved ones die whilst they were incarcerated (and probably not a son/daughter they murdered.) If they have to follow jail protocols, so should the Anthony's. Plain and simple. IMO. One should not get a pass just because one kills one's own child. That might make her "special" but not in a positive sort of way.

[??WHATthe??]

I want for Casey to be convicted and for the A's go away back to their obscure lives. They don't want Casey to be convicted and fame and fortune will come their way if she is not. It would be a travesty IMHO if the latter happened. I worry that sympathy for the A's will be abused to bring about that travesty. I truly believe they have behaved horribly and I see nothing to admire in them.

That's my stand. I am not trying to be mean or cruel.

ITA MrsHudson...

And if you read my quote below... I believe it to be true, I stand up for what I believe, and mean no disrespect to anyone here...

IMO... they put themselves out for public reaction based on their involvements/or lack thereof :wink:

[happy2bme]

So violence is the answer, thats how you would get to your kid to talk by pulling their hair from their heads?

Thats very civilized.


What about Cindy "choking" Casey?

[breezie]

Yes, the Lawyer said they are in the clear and no charges are pending, they have suffered enough for anything, life is so full of what ifs and wishing for do overs, it is sad how these grandparents have been treated by some.

jmo

When you forsake your dead grandchild for her murderer, you reap what you sow. There is nothing that they've suffered that makes up for that. Poor Caylee never had a chance in that warped, controlling, lying, stealing, credit-grabbing family. God rest her soul.

[coffee1950j]

Can you even imagine not knowing the nanny's name, address or phone number? Nope, it does not make any sense at all. I just wonder really where did they really think Casey was everyday with Caylee. They had to know imo that she did not work. Where did they think she took Caylee everyday? She had no income tax forms from work because she did not work now that is a big giveaway right there.

My grandson was babysat by my son-in-laws aunt, who runs a day care. When he was around 2 1/2 and I would visit, I would ask him if he had a nice time at "nanna's" and he would say yes and tell he what he did for the day...... went outside, what he ate, etc.

And I made SURE that I met the aunt. Although I HAD met her many times before. But sometimes I went with my daughter to pick him up. I just wanted to see how she inter-acted with him. So I KNEW he was being loved and well taken care of.

and that was FAMILY

[marshmallow]

I hope the Pros bring that up to George or Cindy when they are on the stand..............

I would love to know who was Caylee's Emergency Pick up person.......

Grandmother with NO phone number, address or anything for the nanny. Unbelievable barf

before I stepped away from it, I was in child care for about 15 years.
I had several children from full time as infants up to part time when they started school. Children as young as one made projects, the older they got the more we created. How did Caylee never bring home any art work or photos, or Mothers/Grandparents/birthday gifts? We built, painted, glittered, glued, baked, cooked, found, etc...
why didn't the Anthonys question the fact that there were there no pieces of childhood artwork from the nanny-times?

[trich]

He's got to be kidding!!!! I suppose NOW there are going to be a gazillion tips about seeing some sinister person lurking in that area, to say nothing of another 1500 psychic tips (of which 1500 of the first bunch seemed to be wrong.)



wonder how many nuts will call the tip line and say "they did it":rolleyes:

[Amy]

Is that strange or what? Anybody know of this happening before?

I don't know. Did OJ set up a line? Well, he wouldn't have been there to answer, being as how he was in FL looking for the real killer on the golf courses there. The Peterson's had a tip line, but I think theirs was only before their son was incarcerated. I guess they still have one, of a sorts, thru their Scott is innocent site, or whatever theirs is called. Michael Peterson? Mr Jensen? Ms McGuire? all those others? I don't recall, but I didn't follow the cases really closely.

[steffaroob4]

WFTV-Channel 9's (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/caylee-anthonys.html)Mary Nguyen reported that George and Cindy Anthony might ask for donations to bury Caylee. "The Anthonys are hoping the public will pay for their granddaughter's funeral," Nguyen said.

[MerriMent]

What about Cindy "choking" Casey?

Exactly. I think Casey's defense is going to be "Cindy did it."

[Pebbles]

Well thanks! That's so nice of you. I do want justice for Caylee the same as you. And I want to live in a country where a parent can't get away with what Casey has done. And the fact that her parents who won't even take a lie detector test (at least not yet) about the circumstances of their grandchild's murder could emerge from this as some kind heroes and actually benefit in sense of becoming public advocates just adds the offense that Casey has done to her daughter.



Hi MrsHudson, we had a quick dinner. I just saw your post, your feelings are exactly the same as mine, only you are able to write it so much better than I. Thank you. I'm glad you are here!

[?noanswer]

Is JG’s attorney the same Darryl B Cohen:
Atlanta Entertainment, Media and Criminal Defense attorney
http://www.emmyonline.org/emmy/trustee/Exec.html
http://darrylcohen.tv/gallery2.htm
who appeared on CNN HN NG on December 12th ???
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/12/ng.01.html

The first link says he is a criminal defense atty. Sure with a bunch of high profile people. I saw him on the Today Show today. If it's the same person, he was sure dressed "down" that he appears in these links. JMO

[trich]

Wow! Words of wisdom for the day....heck...the year! :beer:


I agree!:biggrin:

[CNTM]

WFTV-Channel 9's (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/caylee-anthonys.html)Mary Nguyen reported that George and Cindy Anthony might ask for donations to bury Caylee. "The Anthonys are hoping the public will pay for their granddaughter's funeral," Nguyen said.

Oh good grief!! Many would help with the funeral, but not because the A's asked for it!

[steffaroob4]

Monday Dec. 22, 2008 (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/08/NGfindcayleeblog/)
5:22 PM ET - Jessie Grund, the ex-fiancé of tot mom Casey Anthony, is speaking out tonight. Grund will be on Nancy Grace live tonight, where he will talk about his reaction to the news that the remains found were that of little Caylee Marie. In an interview this morning, Grund also talked about how Casey Anthony changed as Caylee got older, and the child that used to be the focus of Casey Anthony's life had later on become more of a responsibility. Grund had initially thought he was the father of Caylee, and was one of the first people to hold the child right after she was born, but a paternity test later proved that Grund was not the father of the toddler. At one point Grund was engaged to Casey Anthony, but the engagement was later broken off in the beginning of 2006. (From Matthew Zarrell, Nancy Grace Associate Producer

[marshmallow]

WFTV-Channel 9's (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/caylee-anthonys.html)Mary Nguyen reported that George and Cindy Anthony might ask for donations to bury Caylee. "The Anthonys are hoping the public will pay for their granddaughter's funeral," Nguyen said.

What do you



the trust fund had a clause to cover Caylee's burial, they can use that.

[??WHATthe??]

Exactly. I think Casey's defense is going to be "Cindy did it."

There is no way... they would get laughed at AGAIN! Cindy and George have done some pretty messed up things... but nothing has ever pointed IMO to them being involved with actually taking Caylee's life... I just don't believe that at this point...:rolleyes:

[bchand]

WFTV-Channel 9's (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/caylee-anthonys.html)Mary Nguyen reported that George and Cindy Anthony might ask for donations to bury Caylee. "The Anthonys are hoping the public will pay for their granddaughter's funeral," Nguyen said.


This will never end with the Anthonys. They have the trust fund they started. The money was to go for Caylee's funeral if she was found.

[Barbara fl.]

before I stepped away from it, I was in child care for about 15 years.
I had several children from full time as infants up to part time when they started school. Children as young as one made projects, the older they got the more we created. How did Caylee never bring home any art work or photos, or Mothers/Grandparents/birthday gifts? We built, painted, glittered, glued, baked, cooked, found, etc...
why didn't the Anthonys question the fact that there were there no pieces of childhood artwork from the nanny-times?


You have a very good point...now a days baby sitters cost as much as a licensed day care...day care's are like pre school...Why wouldn't Cindy have insisted that Caylee be in day care rather then with a baby sitter....

[CNTM]

the trust fund had a clause to cover Caylee's burial, they can use that.


I had forgotten that. They sure can use the fund!

[Barbara fl.]

This will never end with the Anthonys. They have the trust fund they started. The money was to go for Caylee's funeral if she was found.


I'm more than sure that any funeral home in that area will donate their services for Caylee.....

[AnnInOhio]

Cindy claimed in her fbi interview that Casey KNEW who Caylee's father was (she even named him) she claimed he died in a car wreck and Caylee had a half-sibling. she then claimed that Casey kept in contact with his WIDOW....I do not have a link but it is in the last fbi interview/video dump.

Did she have a first and last name for this phantom father? IIRC, Cindy knew nothing about him until Casey handed them the obit from a newspaper. If Caylee's bio dad was dead she'd probably have been eligible for survivor's SSI. If I were supporting my grandchild financially you can bet I'd have checked into who he was. He supposedly didn't die until Caylee was a year old; so the family had a year to get in touch with the guy and get support ordered.

[SavannahStar]

WFTV-Channel 9's (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/caylee-anthonys.html)Mary Nguyen reported that George and Cindy Anthony might ask for donations to bury Caylee. "The Anthonys are hoping the public will pay for their granddaughter's funeral," Nguyen said.

Well this is great for all the people who continually say they care more for Caylee than the Anthonys ever did.....I hope they all make a generous contribution to the funeral. :smile:

[MerriMent]

There is no way... they would get laughed at AGAIN! Cindy and George have done some pretty messed up things... but nothing has ever pointed IMO to them being involved with actually taking Caylee's life... I just don't believe that at this point...:rolleyes:

Who would laugh? Cindy choked her own daughter and has displayed her hair-trigger temper to the news media. All a defense has to do is create reasonable doubt.