Sunday - Dec 21/08 - Morning Part 1

[ellegna]

Please take a moment to light a Candle for Caylee :rose:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

[ellegna]

In the Arms of the Angels (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=103452895467&oid=28951009894)

[ellegna]

Investigators shift focus to home of Caylee Anthony’s grandparents (http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/2008_12_20_Investigators_shift_focus_to_home_of_Ca ylee_Anthony_s_grandparents/srvc=home&position=recent)

[canadagirl]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before but has anyone listened to words that Caylee was singing to the my only sunshine song?

They were ...please don't take nan's sunshine away.
I heard that the other night and I just got cold chills.

[PuffDragon]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before but has anyone listened to words that Caylee was singing to the my only sunshine song?

They were ...please don't take nan's sunshine away.
I heard that the other night and I just got cold chills.

There was quite a lot of discussion about that a little while back. On the video she actually sings it twice, you can easily hear the time when she sings 'nan', on the other one I still can't quite figure out what word she says but I don't think it's 'nan'. My idea is completely pulled out of nowhere but I wonder if it's her word for George. I know that Cindy said Caylee called them Jo-Jo and Ce-Ce, but that came from Cindy and nobody else has corroborated, or even referenced it. Maybe Shirley could but she hasn't. I was wondering if Casey actually called them Nan or Nanny and something else for George, then Cindy and George heard it on the tape, knew what those words actually were because they recognized them, and realized that they needed to do some damage control (remember, Cindy is really big on preemptive damage control) on the word 'Nan', so she spun the story of Caylee calling them Jo-Jo and Ce-Ce.
Another one of those unanswerable questions I guess.............

[CC I See]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before but has anyone listened to words that Caylee was singing to the my only sunshine song?

They were ...please don't take nan's sunshine away.
I heard that the other night and I just got cold chills.

I also picked up on that and it gave me chills as well. I believe in my heart that children have special psychic gifts. As they age, they lose part or most all of these gifts. Watching the video of this sad that day little girl is heartbreaking. I think that she knew that her mother Casey was flipping out and that she might be at risk. Her eyes tell us the story.... what sadness. It's too bad her self centered family couldn't read them.

If Casey Anthony is guilty of murdering her daughter Caylee Anthony, I hope she gets the death penalty. If her grandparents help cover up the evidence to show their unconditional love for their daughter, I hope they pay as well.

[CC I See]

There was quite a lot of discussion about that a little while back. On the video she actually sings it twice, you can easily hear the time when she sings 'nan', on the other one I still can't quite figure out what word she says but I don't think it's 'nan'. My idea is completely pulled out of nowhere but I wonder if it's her word for George. I know that Cindy said Caylee called them Jo-Jo and Ce-Ce, but that came from Cindy and nobody else has corroborated, or even referenced it. Maybe Shirley could but she hasn't. I was wondering if Casey actually called them Nan or Nanny and something else for George, then Cindy and George heard it on the tape, knew what those words actually were because they recognized them, and realized that they needed to do some damage control (remember, Cindy is really big on preemptive damage control) on the word 'Nan', so she spun the story of Caylee calling them Jo-Jo and Ce-Ce.
Another one of those unanswerable questions I guess.............

It sounds to me like she is na-na's sunshine instead on nan's sunshine.

[cassidy]

I also picked up on that and it gave me chills as well. I believe in my heart that children have special psychic gifts. As they age, they lose part or most all of these gifts. Watching the video of this sad that day little girl is heartbreaking. I think that she knew that her mother Casey was flipping out and that she might be at risk. Her eyes tell us the story.... what sadness. It's too bad her self centered family couldn't read them.

If Casey Anthony is guilty of murdering her daughter Caylee Anthony, I hope she gets the death penalty. If her grandparents help cover up the evidence to show their unconditional love for their daughter, I hope they pay as well.

Sometimes I think we read too much into things. I sing with my 2 1/2 year old granddaughter all the time and we always insert familiar names in the songs. She gets a kick out of it.

JMO

[*MoonRider*]

Good Morning all. This was on Geraldo last night. They say it was taken on 8/11 FWIW. http://psychicgale.com/blinddrive.htm Think whatever you like but it kind of creeps me out. I do however find it interesting to see how wooded the area is.

[CC I See]

Good Morning all. This was on Geraldo last night. They say it was taken on 8/11 FWIW. http://psychicgale.com/blinddrive.htm Think whatever you like but it kind of creeps me out. I do however find it interesting to see how wooded the area is.

Very interesting.... I know that everytime I heard the words, "she's close to home", I also thought of the wooded area close to the Anthony home. But with so many possibilities that could have also been the site, no one could search them all. Remember that people were also saying that when Casey's cell phone went dead that she could have driven miles to a location.

[zinnia]

I find it amazing that after 6+ months of intense searching that Caylee was found at all. Seems to me that all of the love, support and prayers that were sent out to her helped her to be found. The meter reader who must have had a pull to the area, the hundreds of people who gave time and energy to search for her; Tim, Uri, all the LE and all the people who kept her story alive. Seems to me a tiny miricle happened here that she was found despite Faye, despite animals, undergrowth and lies.
No matter who is responsible I am so very grateful that this is not just another disappeared child, that there is a chance to put her to rest properly. For whatever George and Cindy will be proven to do/not do I know that part of their hearts are broken. Looking at the pictures you can see the love for her.
My feeling is this was a tough love grow up gone wrong because Casey didn't want to grow up. Caylee got caught in the middle of it and became a bargining chip. She may have lost her life but her spirit made sure that she was found and now justice can be done.
Caylee, you can fly with the Angels now.
rose

[n/t]

Interesting considering they whined about it at the motion hearing....from the link posted above.

At about 3 p.m., the Orange County Sheriff’s Office removed crime-scene tape from across Suburban Drive, and many of the people gathered around the memorial made their way down the street to see where Caylee’s remains were found. There had been speculation that Casey Anthony’s defense team would bring their own investigators to the site, but Nieves said the sheriff’s office contacted Anthony’s lead attorney, Jose Baez, about three hours earlier, and Baez informed it that defense investigators would not examine the site.
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/2008_12_20_Investigators_shift_focus_to_home_of_Ca ylee_Anthony_s_grandparents/srvc=home&position=recent


Good Morning!

[msgatorslayer]

G'morning everyone!!

Any pics, links, etc, for the search of the Anthony home lastnight? Wonder what LE went back for. My initial instinct, I wonder if the Anthony's didn't tell them something true, and new, that caused them to get a search warrant and go back for some items of importance.

After all, they have said that they are going to be helpful, finally. And I'm waiting to see it.

[n/t]

G'morning everyone!!

Any pics, links, etc, for the search of the Anthony home lastnight? Wonder what LE went back for. My initial instinct, I wonder if the Anthony's didn't tell them something true, and new, that caused them to get a search warrant and go back for some items of importance.

After all, they have said that they are going to be helpful, finally. And I'm waiting to see it.


I doubt it. Why would George be upset if they were fully cooperating? From the link above:

George and Cindy Anthony were at home when investigators arrived with the warrant, and a visibly upset George Anthony could be seen as they made their way inside.

[msgatorslayer]

I doubt it. Why would George be upset if they were fully cooperating? From the link above:

George and Cindy Anthony were at home when investigators arrived with the warrant, and a visibly upset George Anthony could be seen as they made their way inside.

So we don't know what LE took and George was upset. K

[n/t]

Does anyone know if Jesse Grund took the paternity test before or after Caylee was born?

I'm just wondering if the story about Casey not wanting Caylee but Cindy telling Casey to keep Caylee is true. If Jesse was going to marry Casey why would she even consider adoption? Something is not making sense or maybe I'm missing something.

Now that we know for sure that she's deceased, I keep thinking about her daddy and his family. Who are they? Where are they? Would Caylee still be alive if he was in the picture? Why wasn't he?

It makes me sad.:sad:

[Danette44]

Does anyone know if Jesse Grund took the paternity test before or after Caylee was born?

I'm just wondering if the story about Casey not wanting Caylee but Cindy telling Casey to keep Caylee is true. If Jesse was going to marry Casey why would she even consider adoption? Something is not making sense or maybe I'm missing something.

Now that we know for sure that she's deceased, I keep thinking about her daddy and his family. Who are they? Where are they? Would Caylee still be alive if he was in the picture? Why wasn't he?

It makes me sad.:sad:

Good Morning n/t it was after, what I don't understand is if she was even sleeping around with more than one guy and with all the news media covering this - that some of the men that were sleeping with her around that time frame would speak up or go be tested. Does this make sense?

[FrankieBones1]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before but has anyone listened to words that Caylee was singing to the my only sunshine song?

They were ...please don't take nan's sunshine away.
I heard that the other night and I just got cold chills.I heard her sing two versions. One was 'Please don't take Nan's sunshine away".
The other was "Please don't take my sunshine away".

She was so bright for her age. My heart breaks when I hear her ask her Papa if he is tired.


Ellegna: Thanks for posting , 'In the Arms of the Angels'. Always been a favourite on this site. The photos are lovely.

[RJ1]

Good Morning n/t it was after, what I don't understand is if she was even sleeping around with more than one guy and with all the news media covering this - that some of the men that were sleeping with her around that time frame would speak up or go be tested. Does this make sense?

I can't imagine too many young men who would want to get involved in this situation.

[n/t]

The Orange County Sheriff's officially cleared the wooded area Saturday. At the same time, four vans carrying crime scene investigators showed up at the Anthony's home, blocking the street, as the investigators strung yellow tape to keep back the dozens of onlookers who have come to express their condolences to the family.

After two hours, the investigators came out of the home with bags and boxes containing unknown items.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,470650,00.html

[n/t]

Good Morning n/t it was after, what I don't understand is if she was even sleeping around with more than one guy and with all the news media covering this - that some of the men that were sleeping with her around that time frame would speak up or go be tested. Does this make sense?

Good Morning, Danette. I'm actually more surprised that the Anthonys chose NOT to have the father involved when Caylee was born or demand to know who Caylee's father was. It makes no sense to me.

Maybe they thought she was going to marry Jesse and there was no need for the father to be involved and live happily ever after. Who knows.

I can't help but think of the other bio grandparents not knowing that Caylee was one of theirs. Or do they?

[AMS]

Interesting considering they whined about it at the motion hearing....from the link posted above.

At about 3 p.m., the Orange County Sheriff’s Office removed crime-scene tape from across Suburban Drive, and many of the people gathered around the memorial made their way down the street to see where Caylee’s remains were found. There had been speculation that Casey Anthony’s defense team would bring their own investigators to the site, but Nieves said the sheriff’s office contacted Anthony’s lead attorney, Jose Baez, about three hours earlier, and Baez informed it that defense investigators would not examine the site.
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/2008_12_20_Investigators_shift_focus_to_home_of_Ca ylee_Anthony_s_grandparents/srvc=home&position=recent


Good Morning!


Good morning - Baez was on Geraldo last night (surprise, surprise). I didn't watch the whole thing because I was getting to ticked off. Baez did say that they decided not to go to the scene because it was not in the same shape as it was when they found the body. The dirt had been overturned and trees/bushes had been cut down. It would have done them no good so they'll use the reports and the videos taken and he'll take up his "beefs" with LE in court. Then Phil Keating showed a picture of the area with the trees/buses cut down.

Baez then bashed LE for searching the GP's house on the day after they found out Caylee was dead.

Geraldo said he believes that LE is getting ready to indict the GPs on obstruction charges.

Jeanine Piero (sp?) started to defend LE and this other defense lawyer was screaming. That's when I shut it off.

[msgatorslayer]

Good Morning n/t it was after, what I don't understand is if she was even sleeping around with more than one guy and with all the news media covering this - that some of the men that were sleeping with her around that time frame would speak up or go be tested. Does this make sense?

It makes sense, Danette. However, I'm of the belief that the baby daddy is either young, as Casey is, or married, maybe both. Coming forward now would open up a can of worms for the man. He'd have some explaining to do to his family.

[AMS]

Here's a few more photos of the search. They are not very helpful. Cindy is in one of the pictures.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-caylee-anthony-search-warrant-122008,0,5699403.photogallery

[msgatorslayer]

Good Morning, Danette. I'm actually more surprised that the Anthonys chose NOT to have the father involved when Caylee was born or demand to know who Caylee's father was. It makes no sense to me.

Maybe they thought she was going to marry Jesse and there was no need for the father to be involved and live happily ever after. Who knows.

I can't help but think of the other bio grandparents not knowing that Caylee was one of theirs. Or do they?

It surprises me too, N/T.

I think, deep down, that the Anthony's know that Casey doesn't know who the daddy is, and stopped bothering her about it. After Jesse's test came out negative, they had to have known that she was sleeping around. When Casey showed the obit and said daddy is dead, that was an easy way out. No more worries about explaining to others who the daddy was. And Cindy seemed to have no problem taking care of Caylee, and Casey, financially.

[msgatorslayer]

Here's a few more photos of the search. They are not very helpful. Cindy is in one of the pictures.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-caylee-anthony-search-warrant-122008,0,5699403.photogallery

Thank you. Yeah, not very helpful. I was hoping we'd get a glimpse of what they took out.

Will someone please yank that "Help Find Caylee' poster off their door.

[zinnia]

I doubt it. Why would George be upset if they were fully cooperating? From the link above:

George and Cindy Anthony were at home when investigators arrived with the warrant, and a visibly upset George Anthony could be seen as they made their way inside.

JMO Their whole world has crashed in front of everyone. There is no hope that Caylee will come home. Their house has been searched 3? 4? times; their daughter whom they convinced themselves they knew has been accused of murdering her.
I'd be way beyond visibly upset to be honest.

[baywench]

Good morning! The board moves so fast and I just wanted to comment on a couple of things from yesterday, There was much talk about Caylee's father. It bothers me that the only information we have on Caylee's father is from Casey. You cannot believe anything she says....anything, so why would we believe her comments on the father? It is typical of her narcisstic behavior that she cut him out from the very beginning so she would not have to deal with any kind of adult relationship with him. We only have Casey's word that she didn't want Caylee and Cindy made her keep her. I for one just can't base anything Casey's says as fact ever. jmo

[Danette44]

Good Morning, Danette. I'm actually more surprised that the Anthonys chose NOT to have the father involved when Caylee was born or demand to know who Caylee's father was. It makes no sense to me.

Maybe they thought she was going to marry Jesse and there was no need for the father to be involved and live happily ever after. Who knows.

I can't help but think of the other bio grandparents not knowing that Caylee was one of theirs. Or do they?

I wouldn't put it pass Casey to tell her parents he wanted nothing to do with her, when in fact he probably doesn't know. Also do we know for a "FACT", that Casey really didn't want Caylee but Cindy made her have her? After hearing Kiomarie sold her story, is it the truth, she is the only one saying it unless I missed someone else saying.

[n/t]

Here's a few more photos of the search. They are not very helpful. Cindy is in one of the pictures.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-caylee-anthony-search-warrant-122008,0,5699403.photogallery

What a beautiful memorial for little Caylee. :rose:

[Katt2]

There was quite a lot of discussion about that a little while back. On the video she actually sings it twice, you can easily hear the time when she sings 'nan', on the other one I still can't quite figure out what word she says but I don't think it's 'nan'. My idea is completely pulled out of nowhere but I wonder if it's her word for George. I know that Cindy said Caylee called them Jo-Jo and Ce-Ce, but that came from Cindy and nobody else has corroborated, or even referenced it. Maybe Shirley could but she hasn't. I was wondering if Casey actually called them Nan or Nanny and something else for George, then Cindy and George heard it on the tape, knew what those words actually were because they recognized them, and realized that they needed to do some damage control (remember, Cindy is really big on preemptive damage control) on the word 'Nan', so she spun the story of Caylee calling them Jo-Jo and Ce-Ce.
Another one of those unanswerable questions I guess.............

If am remembering correctly, George either said it in an interview or in the statement he made with LE.

[n/t]

JMO Their whole world has crashed in front of everyone. There is no hope that Caylee will come home. Their house has been searched 3? 4? times; their daughter whom they convinced themselves they knew has been accused of murdering her.
I'd be way beyond visibly upset to be honest.

Frankly, I wouldn't be able to stay in that house knowing my granddaughter was possibly murdered there. I don't know how they do it.

I see the kidfinders people brought food. Link posted above.

[JHP]

Here's a few more photos of the search. They are not very helpful. Cindy is in one of the pictures.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-caylee-anthony-search-warrant-122008,0,5699403.photogallery

The photo of Cindy Anthony hit me with a look of evil defiance.

JMO

[zinnia]

To think of that little baby out there alone in the dark and wet makes me so sick - I almost can't take it. My mind just shuts down at the thought of her last moments, and I pray that she was sleeping peacefully and knew nothing. Please god let that be true.

Looking at the picture of Cindy during the last search of her house - she looks like she is being beaten to death from the inside. I know she may have done a lot of cr*p over the last few months, but from the pictures with Caylee and that picture of her face now, I believe in my heart that she was just in denial because she loved that little girl so much that she could never accept her death until it was essentially put in her face with proof. At least I hope that's what it was - doesn't excuse covering up Casey's evil, but I understand that shutting down of the mind and complete denial. Who wouldn't want to deny the death of that beautiful little girl with the amazing eyes? Oh man, I can't stop crying about this case.

I so agree with you. Exactly how she looks. She believed Caylee would come home, believed in KC. For any covering up she did or not my sympathy goes out to her and George. :sad:

[baywench]

To think of that little baby out there alone in the dark and wet makes me so sick - I almost can't take it. My mind just shuts down at the thought of her last moments, and I pray that she was sleeping peacefully and knew nothing. Please god let that be true.

Looking at the picture of Cindy during the last search of her house - she looks like she is being beaten to death from the inside. I know she may have done a lot of cr*p over the last few months, but from the pictures with Caylee and that picture of her face now, I believe in my heart that she was just in denial because she loved that little girl so much that she could never accept her death until it was essentially put in her face with proof. At least I hope that's what it was - doesn't excuse covering up Casey's evil, but I understand that shutting down of the mind and complete denial. Who wouldn't want to deny the death of that beautiful little girl with the amazing eyes? Oh man, I
can't stop crying about this case.

Although I feel sorry for Cindy I also can't give her a pass because I think there have beein alot of deals behind the scenes which amount to nothing less than blood money. imo

[SandyO]

I wouldn't put it pass Casey to tell her parents he wanted nothing to do with her, when in fact he probably doesn't know. Also do we know for a "FACT", that Casey really didn't want Caylee but Cindy made her have her? After hearing Kiomarie sold her story, is it the truth, she is the only one saying it unless I missed someone else saying.

Except for the early interviews when we hear Casey's voice responding to the investigators and the recorded jail conversations we have heard almost nothing directly from Casey. There have been many quotes and "Casey said" or "Casey told me" comments, but nothing directly from Casey. I imagine Mr. Baez has gone over all of it with Casey, but we do not know what she really has to say regarding all these points. I don't believe it matters much because "Ms. Anthony and the truth are strangers".

[n/t]

It surprises me too, N/T.

I think, deep down, that the Anthony's know that Casey doesn't know who the daddy is, and stopped bothering her about it. After Jesse's test came out negative, they had to have known that she was sleeping around. When Casey showed the obit and said daddy is dead, that was an easy way out. No more worries about explaining to others who the daddy was. And Cindy seemed to have no problem taking care of Caylee, and Casey, financially.

Cindy couldn't even remember the name, IIRC. Anyway, I know we've discussed Caylee's daddy a gazillion times. I just thought it was very sad especially now knowing she is deceased.

Maybe she is with her daddy up in heaven. :rose:

[JHP]

I wouldn't put it pass Casey to tell her parents he wanted nothing to do with her, when in fact he probably doesn't know. Also do we know for a "FACT", that Casey really didn't want Caylee but Cindy made her have her? After hearing Kiomarie sold her story, is it the truth, she is the only one saying it unless I missed someone else saying.

We have Cindy's strange story about how Casey took Caylee to bond with her. Because in the delivery room Cindy got to hold her first. I hope LE has gone to the hospital records and spoken to the people in the delivery room.

JMO

[RJ1]

What a beautiful memorial for little Caylee. :rose:

I'm sure the intentions are good, but I wish people would donate those stuffed animals to a children's hospital or to a charity. They could do so in Caylee's name ...

Just a thought.

[Regina.Lampert]

So we don't know what LE took and George was upset. K

Morning gator and everyone. George may have just been upset generally because of Caylee and the situation. I could sure understand that.

I've been thinking about those boxes LE arrived with, could they have removed SHOES from the Anthony home? Perhaps they located a footprint at the scene, tho doubtful or maybe they are checking for foliage, soil or other evidence on shoes?

I hope they release the search warrant to the public.

[zinnia]

Frankly, I wouldn't be able to stay in that house knowing my granddaughter was possibly murdered there. I don't know how they do it.

I see the kidfinders people brought food. Link posted above.

Well, kf was good for something. I couldn't stay there, I'd see her everywhere. Especially at the Holidays. I hope Cindy doesn't end up in the hospital, her stress leval has got to be over the top. George also.

[n/t]

The photo of Cindy Anthony hit me with a look of evil defiance.

JMO

Yup. Same look on her face as we've seen many times before.

Where's Lee? Was he seen at the home after the announcement that these were his niece's remains?

[SandyO]

The photo of Cindy Anthony hit me with a look of evil defiance.

JMO

Regardless of statements made by Cindy's attorney I think she has a lot of fight left in her. I can't see it any other way but that she will continue to defend Casey any way she can.

[JHP]

Yup. Same look on her face as we've seen many times before.

Where's Lee? Was he seen at the home after the announcement that these were his niece's remains?

Good question. I read he has an attorney now also.

[n/t]

I'm sure the intentions are good, but I wish people would donate those stuffed animals to a children's hospital or to a charity. They could do so in Caylee's name ...

Just a thought.

Hopefully, the stuffed animals will eventually be donated to a children's hospital or charity and not thrown out in the trash.

[AMS]

Yup. Same look on her face as we've seen many times before.

Where's Lee? Was he seen at the home after the announcement that these were his niece's remains?

Lee was at the house on Friday after the announcement. Someone had posted that when Baez left the Anthony house that night, Lee walked him out and the crowd outside started to yell "baby killer". IIRC.

[Abbie]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before but has anyone listened to words that Caylee was singing to the my only sunshine song?

They were ...please don't take nan's sunshine away.
I heard that the other night and I just got cold chills.

I picked up on that the first time or two I heard it and thought it was really sad. I am sure its a song Cindy sang to her all the time.

[JHP]

Regardless of statements made by Cindy's attorney I think she has a lot of fight left in her. I can't see it any other way but that she will continue to defend Casey any way she can.

Oh, I do too. I think they are taking a break until it's decided which way the defense is going to spin this.

JMO

[msgatorslayer]

Morning gator and everyone. George may have just been upset generally because of Caylee and the situation. I could sure understand that.

I've been thinking about those boxes LE arrived with, could they have removed SHOES from the Anthony home? Perhaps they located a footprint at the scene, tho doubtful or maybe they are checking for foliage, soil or other evidence on shoes?

I hope they release the search warrant to the public.

Top off the morning to ya, Reggie.

Would a shoe print remain after the flooding? Possibly, as we don't know how large of an area was flooded. There could be shoe prints in areas where there wasn't any water. Excellent thought!!

[RJ1]

Lee was at the house on Friday after the announcement. Someone had posted that when Baez left the Anthony house that night, Lee walked him out and the crowd outside started to yell "baby killer". IIRC.

What the hell is wrong with people??? They need to take a long hard look at themsleves ...

[Regina.Lampert]

Wow! Thanks AMS for the link to those photos. Notice that all of LE are wearing booties? In no other searches at this home did they wear foot coverings. What are the implications of that, at this particular point in time?

Could it be they are looking for trace evidence from the crimscene in the woods, at the Anthony Home? Very interesting to me.

[msgatorslayer]

I wish they'd take that thing off their door! Caylee has been found, there's no need to leave that there.

:thumbup: ITA - It is rather insulting now to see it. I wasn't expecting it when clicking on that link. She's been found.

[n/t]

Morning gator and everyone. George may have just been upset generally because of Caylee and the situation. I could sure understand that.

I've been thinking about those boxes LE arrived with, could they have removed SHOES from the Anthony home? Perhaps they located a footprint at the scene, tho doubtful or maybe they are checking for foliage, soil or other evidence on shoes?

I hope they release the search warrant to the public.


Excellent point about the shoes and footprints!

[Katt2]

I wish they'd take that thing off their door! Caylee has been found, there's no need to leave that there.

Caylee's remains have been found but I am sure to the grandparents Caylee is and will forever be missing in their lives.

[zinnia]

What the hell is wrong with people??? They need to take a long hard look at themsleves ...

:beer::beer:

[RJ1]

Wow! Thanks AMS for the link to those photos. Notice that all of LE are wearing booties? In no other searches at this home did they wear foot coverings. What are the implications of that, at this particular point in time?


~quote snipped~

Maybe they know about the "much ado" some of these same defense participants made about botties during Spector1?

[trich]

Regardless of statements made by Cindy's attorney I think she has a lot of fight left in her. I can't see it any other way but that she will continue to defend Casey any way she can.
I agree...I do not think Cindy or George are going to do anything
that will implicate Casey .
They will continue to defend her and deny her envolvement in the death of Caylee. Just like I believe that Casey will never admit to killing Caylee.
The Anthonys have known all along that Caylee was dead and who is responsible.
They can deny it publically till the ends of the earth but they know in their minds and hearts what the truth is.
IMO
Loving your child uncondtionally does not mean you condone or hide their bad behavior....IMO it means just the opposite....you will always love but you don't excuse their bad behavior , no matter how bad .
Whatever happened to "do the right thing"?

[SandyO]

Wow! Thanks AMS for the link to those photos. Notice that all of LE are wearing booties? In no other searches at this home did they wear foot coverings. What are the implications of that, at this particular point in time?

Could it be they are looking for trace evidence from the crimscene in the woods, at the Anthony Home? Very interesting to me.

It is VERY interesting, but considering all the time that has passed since Caylee's death and disposal I cannot figure out what they hope to find in or around the Anthony house now. Guess those are questions only the forensics investigators could answer.

[Regina.Lampert]

Photo number five is an unfortunate shot, it makes it appear Cynthia is pushing them out of the door.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-caylee-anthony-search-warrant-122008,0,5699403.photogallery

[SandyO]

Photo number five is an unfortunate shot, it makes it appear Cynthia is pushing them out of the door.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-caylee-anthony-search-warrant-122008,0,5699403.photogallery

After having given them a piece of her mind.....................

[Katt2]

I'm quite sure you're right, but for the love of Pete, they don't need a missing child poster on their front door. Make a shrine or memorial inside the house, in private. It just bugs me.


I do see your point but to remove it will be an act of finality in facing that Caylee will never return. They maybe just can't take that step at the moment.

[zinnia]

Photo number five is an unfortunate shot, it makes it appear Cynthia is pushing them out of the door.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-caylee-anthony-search-warrant-122008,0,5699403.photogallery

Gd Morning Regina. Thats the photo where she looks on the edge. Her house has been searched how many times? She looks like she is imploding and anger can be a great mask for grief.

[RJ1]

I'm quite sure you're right, but for the love of Pete, they don't need a missing child poster on their front door. Make a shrine or memorial inside the house, in private. It just bugs me.

Everybody grieves differently. Maybe they just can't bear to take that sign down yet. Or maybe they don't care to do so in front of a world of spectators.

[zinnia]

Everybody grieves differently. Maybe they just can't bear to take that sign down yet. Or maybe they don't care to do so in front of a world of spectators.

Front page news.

[n/t]

It is VERY interesting, but considering all the time that has passed since Caylee's death and disposal I cannot figure out what they hope to find in or around the Anthony house now. Guess those are questions only the forensics investigators could answer.

I think they may be looking for cause of death and the more evidence they can get to support their theory on how Caylee died.

Or they may have been other evidence found at the crime scene that may implicate others. We'll have to wait and see how this unfolds.

[RJ1]

Front page news.

Sad, but true ...

[ilovemylife]

I believe it's completely normal after finding out about a death of a loved one to not run around removing things, even the missing child poster, that is connected to the deceased person. They are grieving grandparents, they loved that little girl, I think that should be obvious to everyone. No, I don't agree with all their actions but I'm not in their shoes so who am I to judge. Sometimes I don't feel they can do anything right in the eyes of the public.

JMO

[n/t]

Photo number five is an unfortunate shot, it makes it appear Cynthia is pushing them out of the door.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-caylee-anthony-search-warrant-122008,0,5699403.photogallery

It looks like she's pointing at something to me.

[Regina.Lampert]

Caylee's remains have been found but I am sure to the grandparents Caylee is and will forever be missing in their lives.

Good point Katt, and let's note that they do not yet have little Caylee back yet, seems there will be another autopsy by Dr. Reich and then perhaps, not a certainty, this defendant will allow a decent funeral for this dear little girl.

[zinnia]

I believe it's completely normal after finding out about a death of a loved one to not run around removing things, even the missing child poster, that is connected to the deceased person. They are grieving grandparents, they loved that little girl, I think that should be obvious to everyone. No, I don't agree with all their actions but I'm not in their shoes so who am I to judge. Sometimes I don't feel they can do anything right in the eyes of the public.

JMO

Good post. I'm sure that poster is the last thing on their minds. These people have had every aspect of their lives under a microscope for months. Its up to a jury to decide if they are guilty of something. Right now they have their own hell.

[?noanswer]

Wow! Thanks AMS for the link to those photos. Notice that all of LE are wearing booties? In no other searches at this home did they wear foot coverings. What are the implications of that, at this particular point in time?

Could it be they are looking for trace evidence from the crimscene in the woods, at the Anthony Home? Very interesting to me.

I heard the reason they wore the booties was because they came directly from the Body Crime Scene and had dirt on their shoes. JMO

[n/t]

Front page news.

And who's fault is that? We have thousands of misisng children cases that don't get this much attention. There's a reason why it's front page news. And there's a reason why this case has turned into a circus. IMO

[ccat]

Does anyone think that a jury will believe that Zenaida entered the house and searched for chloroform recipes on Casey's computer - just like Goldilocks entered the three bears' house and tasted the porridge?

[Regina.Lampert]

Gd Morning Regina. Thats the photo where she looks on the edge. Her house has been searched how many times? She looks like she is imploding and anger can be a great mask for grief.

She does. I just hope that both of them realize there is only one person who has brought all of this horror down on them and that is casey anthony; and that they do not take any more of their frustrations out on the people who have done their best to find Caylee: law enforcement.

[n/t]

Let's not forget that Cindy has made a complete spectacle of herself. There's nothing "normal" about her.

I'm sorry for the loss she and her family are experiencing. I'd like to see them do the right thing for once and put Caylee first.


I agree. Here's to hoping they will do the right thing for Caylee.

[Regina.Lampert]

I heard the reason they wore the booties was because they came directly from the Body Crime Scene and had dirt on their shoes. JMO

Oh, thank you ?noanswer, that makes sense.

[n/t]

Yes, Jesse did take the paternity test and if I am not mistaken I believe this was used in matching Caylee's DNA. I doubt anyone knows who the father is/was and surely don't think the paternal grandparents knew. One story of why he isn't in the picture now is because he is deceased.

Yes I knew he did. My question was if he took it before or after Caylee was born. :smile:

[RJ1]

And who's fault is that? We have thousands of misisng children cases that don't get this much attention. There's a reason why it's front page news. And there's a reason why this case has turned into a circus. IMO

Interest in a high profile news case is not an excuse for ignoring the boundaries of human decency, IMO.

[n/t]

BTW.....I believe Jesse will be on NG tomorrow night.

[zinnia]

She does. I just hope that both of them realize there is only one person who has brought all of this horror down on them and that is casey anthony; and that they do not take any more of their frustrations out on the people who have done their best to find Caylee: law enforcement.

If she runs true to form she will. Both As will continue to support Casey I think. Can't fix stupid. If they turn on her she will have no one and they haven't done that yet in her life. Except on the weekend of the 15 and look what happened then. Caylee was gone.:shrug:

[ilovemylife]

Let's not forget that Cindy has made a complete spectacle of herself. There's nothing "normal" about her.

I'm sorry for the loss she and her family are experiencing. I'd like to see them do the right thing for once and put Caylee first.


Again, I'm not in the situation she's in and I sure hope I'm NEVER in a situation like that. I will not judge them, unless you are in the situation you don't KNOW how you'd react.

Yes there were issues in their home, but many homes have issues behind closed doors. I'm sorry but I doubt anyone who knew the A's and their issues ever thought something like this would happen.

I believe, or at least I'm hoping...at some point they will come to terms that their daughter is responsible. Maybe they already have, but aren't ready to let the world know. I'm sure that is a hard thing to do, admitt your flesh and blood is a murderer.

As far as putting Caylee first...I believe they felt they were doing that by believing she was alive..since there was no body. Now that they have a body and a positive ID, they aren't denying anything---they are simply trying to grieve.

JMO

[Abbie]

The photo of Cindy Anthony hit me with a look of evil defiance.

JMO


IMO they way Cindy has been reluctant (!) to say the least, to believe that her precious Casey had anything to do with the disappearance, maybe she is angry at LE for YET ANOTHER search warrant, especially now. I am sure if she could blame LE for this whole mess and not Casey, and have her story come across as even remotely believable, she would try it.
What I don't get is how they are finding anything of value evidence-wise in that house after 6 months has gone by.

[baywench]

And who's fault is that? We have thousands of misisng children cases that don't get this much attention. There's a reason why it's front page news. And there's a reason why this case has turned into a circus. IMO

Right on as usual n/t. The Anthony's outrageous and often antaganistic behavior has fueled the beast imo

[n/t]

Interest in a high profile news case is not an excuse for ignoring the boundaries of human decency, IMO.

I agree totally. Maybe the Anthonys should also be made aware of this. Telling people to get off their arses to find Caylee (this was at a vigil for Caylee) and calling the media maggots and blaming Nancy Grace for convicting her daughter is ignoring the boundaries of human decency, imo.

[Abbie]

Oh, thank you ?noanswer, that makes sense.


CSI always wears protective booties over their shoes when they are searching a home that's a potential for evidence. Nothing to do with whether they were at the wooded location or not.

[JHP]

I don't doubt the hospital story but I do wonder why Cindy would wait almost 3 years to try to make them bond!

I don't doubt it either, IMO it was a strange thing (although what isn't?) It was stated at the beggining of the excuse parade. Which makes me wonder if something did happen at the delivery.

[AMS]

BTW.....I believe Jesse will be on NG tomorrow night.

Oh that's right. It was advertised on her show on Friday.

[PuffDragon]

If am remembering correctly, George either said it in an interview or in the statement he made with LE.

I meant a credible witness, and somebody that heard it before Caylee went missing. I'm not believing anything that came from the Anthonys after CIndy went into damage control mode.

[Regina.Lampert]

If she runs true to form she will. Both As will continue to support Casey I think. Can't fix stupid. If they turn on her she will have no one and they haven't done that yet in her life. Except on the weekend of the 15 and look what happened then. Caylee was gone.:shrug:

Hey Zin!! This is the issue that is dividing some of us who have been united in our thoughts about this family. Makes for a good discussion.

Based on the statement Brad Conway read for them, I really believe they are going to fully cooperate with the police, tell the full truth no matter if it hurts casey anthony or not. They want the TRUTH and I think they can handle it, then they can begin to heal.

I could be wrong and if I am I will eat my crow......with a nice lemon, butter, garlic wine sauce of course.

[baywench]

I agree totally. Maybe the Anthonys should also be made aware of this. Telling people to get off their arses to find Caylee (this was at a vigil for Caylee) and calling the media maggots and blaming Nancy Grace for convicting her daughter is ignoring the boundaries of human decency, imo.

The that really bothered me was hen Cindy said that Caylee would end up in a coffin because of the public.

[RJ1]

How is stating on an internet message board that I'd like them to take down that missing child poster ignoring the boundaries of human decency? :huh:

I think the people who have camped out in front of the house and yelled obscenities are ignoring the boundaries of human decency, but I'm not sure I think that extends to an internet message board.

I'd like a sign these people are living in reality and that they're going to cooperate with LE and do the right thing. I'm sure they have pictures all over their home of little Caylee. And I can see how taking that poster down would be an act of finality to the "searching" part of this tragedy. I'm certainly not suggesting they need to move on and get over her death.

I wasn't referring to your expressing your desire to have them remove the sign from their door; I was just responding to your query about who is at fault for this being such a circus.

Everybody has their own code of behavior and boundaries of human decency and capacity for compassion. Obviously, it runs the gamut.

[n/t]

Right on as usual n/t. The Anthony's outrageous and often antaganistic behavior has fueled the beast imo

Good to see you baywench. They can't blame anyone but themselves for this spectacle, imo.

Anyway, I think most people know that. We saw it with our own eyes for over 5 months and Cindy's own brother tried to tell her how they're coming across. She is/was very defiant.

I feel sorry for them because not only have they lost their granddaughter but they could have had millions of supporters and people who would stand by them if only they showed a little more respect to the public, the media and law enforcement. BUT most of all, they should've shown respect for their baby granddaughter and cooperated fully with law enforcement in getting the truth to what happened to her.

I'm sorry but I just can't ignore their behaviour but that's just me.

[trich]

:rolleyes:I don't doubt the hospital story but I do wonder why Cindy would wait almost 3 years to try to make them bond!

Yeah especially when she is suppose to be "the mother of the year".
That hopsital story is stupid IMO ..many women who have given birth don't always get to hold their baby first.
That does not mean they didn't bond.
:rolleyes:

[AMS]

Hey Zin!! This is the issue that is dividing some of us who have been united in our thoughts about this family. Makes for a good discussion.

Based on the statement Brad Conway read for them, I really believe they are going to fully cooperate with the police, tell the full truth no matter if it hurts casey anthony or not. They want the TRUTH and I think they can handle it, then they can begin to heal.

I could be wrong and if I am I will eat my crow......with a nice lemon, butter, garlic wine sauce of course.


I am leaning toward your thoughts Regina. I think what will turn them is the fact that they know she is dead and they have heard about the horrific shape of her discarded body. IMO they will now be in search of the truth. IMO.

[ilovemylife]

Well I can understand that Casey may have wanted to take Caylee away so they could bond, if that were true.

It's obvious to me that Cindy probably "took over" as soon as Caylee was born. It was said she called Cindy mommy and not Casey IIRC. It's hard on any new mom when a grandmother believes she knows best about everything when it comes to the child.

The thing is, Casey didn't do what most would do. Get a job, move out and be the mom she should have been to Caylee. Instead she was jealous of all of the attention Caylee was getting and saw her as a problem that needed getting rid of.

JMO

[trich]

Brad Conway also said they were sticking with the Zenaida Gonzalez story, just not "that" Zenaida that LE has questioned.

Wonder if anyone is looking for the right Zenaida?:rolleyes:
I can't believe that any one believes that nanny story.

[Amy]

Interesting considering they whined about it at the motion hearing....from the link posted above.

At about 3 p.m., the Orange County Sheriff’s Office removed crime-scene tape from across Suburban Drive, and many of the people gathered around the memorial made their way down the street to see where Caylee’s remains were found. There had been speculation that Casey Anthony’s defense team would bring their own investigators to the site, but Nieves said the sheriff’s office contacted Anthony’s lead attorney, Jose Baez, about three hours earlier, and Baez informed it that defense investigators would not examine the site.
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/2008_12_20_Investigators_shift_focus_to_home_of_Ca ylee_Anthony_s_grandparents/srvc=home&position=recent


Good Morning!

I sure hope they saved a tape of that conversation. Baez is acting like a spoiled little kid--"If you don't let me go in when I want to, I'm not going in @ all!!!" I suppose there is going to be some spin on that in the trial--that because LE didn't let them in on the investigation of the scene, it must have been because LE was going to manipulate the evidence and didn't want the defense team to see that. Or something along those lines.

[baywench]

:rolleyes:

Yeah especially when she is suppose to be "the mother of the year".
That hopsital story is stupid IMO ..many women who have given birth don't always get to hold their baby first.
That does not mean they didn't bond.
:rolleyes:

Exactly! You said what I was thinking....but better.

[n/t]

Hey Zin!! This is the issue that is dividing some of us who have been united in our thoughts about this family. Makes for a good discussion.

Based on the statement Brad Conway read for them, I really believe they are going to fully cooperate with the police, tell the full truth no matter if it hurts casey anthony or not. They want the TRUTH and I think they can handle it, then they can begin to heal.

I could be wrong and if I am I will eat my crow......with a nice lemon, butter, garlic wine sauce of course.


You're a good person, scampi and I respect your decision to give them the benefit of the doubt that they will do a complete 360.

I just don't feel that way at this point in time. I think they will continue to blame everyone else and sadly, there will be many more victims before this is over. Zanny the nanny doesn't exist but we'll have to wait and see who they will point the finger at next. The meter reader? One or all of the detectives who checked out the scene in August?

It's not over yet.

[Katt2]

I meant a credible witness, and somebody that heard it before Caylee went missing. I'm not believing anything that came from the Anthonys after CIndy went into damage control mode.

I guess I am not understanding why what Caylee called her grandparents is an issue and why it relates to her little song.

[PuffDragon]

Everybody grieves differently. Maybe they just can't bear to take that sign down yet. Or maybe they don't care to do so in front of a world of spectators.

Or maybe they just haven't noticed that it's there. You know how it is when something has been in a place for a long time, you stop 'seeing' it. Like a doctor's phone number taped to the wall though you haven't used that doctor for 7 years. Then one day you look at it and say "Duh? what's this doing still here" and take it down.

[*MoonRider*]

Front page news.


This case would never have been front page news if it weren't for their own actions. Casey NEVER called the police and was stealing & partying. George & Cindy were on every talk show blaming everyone but the odious creature. They made it front page news and will have to live with it. JMO

[n/t]

I sure hope they saved a tape of that conversation. Baez is acting like a spoiled little kid--"If you don't let me go in when I want to, I'm not going in @ all!!!" I suppose there is going to be some spin on that in the trial--that because LE didn't let them in on the investigation of the scene, it must have been because LE was going to manipulate the evidence and didn't want the defense team to see that. Or something along those lines.

He's so much like Casey, isn't he? Or maybe he's been drinking too much of her koolaid. It amazes me.

[Amy]

Does anyone know if Jesse Grund took the paternity test before or after Caylee was born?

I'm just wondering if the story about Casey not wanting Caylee but Cindy telling Casey to keep Caylee is true. If Jesse was going to marry Casey why would she even consider adoption? Something is not making sense or maybe I'm missing something.

Now that we know for sure that she's deceased, I keep thinking about her daddy and his family. Who are they? Where are they? Would Caylee still be alive if he was in the picture? Why wasn't he?

It makes me sad.:sad:

Paternity testing is taken after the birth. If there is a way to test before birth, it must not be used much, as all of the paternity testing I know of, is after.

In one interview, Jesse is saying when Casey said she was pregnant w/his baby, he said neither one was ready to be a parent. I know I heard (or read) he had also mentioned abortion, which Casey nixed. Perhaps he decided to ask her to marry him after he understood that Casey would have the baby and keep her?

I had posted this on the other thread:

I tho't it was Cindy who commented to her brother that Casey would have had to have had sex to be pregnant? Well, either way, it was a pretty stupid remark.

Also, Rick had said that Casey had hid the pregnancy and was planning on giving the baby up for adoption, which does seem to be confirmed by KioMarie's statement (and did other say, also?) that Casey was going to let KioMarie adopt the baby?

And, I remember early on Jesse had suggested abortion, but Casey refused. Then last night on whatever program I was watching, his statement was that he had suggested adoption and she said, she wasn't going to carry this baby for 9 months just to give her up.

Of course, w/Casey, she probably made whatever statement that fit her fancy @ the time. Even if she did tell Jesse she wouldn't give the baby up, I'm betting she did tell KioMarie that she would let her adopt the baby, and, who knows she might have had Cindy not become involved. Yet, remember she was having Amy plan on moving into the A house, led her on w/that--and it wasn't true @ all that she was going to have that house. She may have been leading KioMarie along like that.

[Regina.Lampert]

CSI always wears protective booties over their shoes when they are searching a home that's a potential for evidence. Nothing to do with whether they were at the wooded location or not.

Actually, this is the first time LE has worn booties when searching the Anthony home, that's why we are discussing it.

[SandyO]

If she runs true to form she will. Both As will continue to support Casey I think. Can't fix stupid. If they turn on her she will have no one and they haven't done that yet in her life. Except on the weekend of the 15 and look what happened then. Caylee was gone.:shrug:

This is exactly my concern and I am dreading hearing the first words out of Cindy's mouth will be that Zanny did it. The whole world has had enough of the Zanny story and everyone knows it is a dreamed-up scenario. I fully believe the defense isn't crafted as of yet, and that they will attempt to discover all that LE knows before coming up with more excuses and explanations. They'd better come up with something better than Zanny.

[phylcore]

In the Arms of the Angels (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=103452895467&oid=28951009894)

Thank you ellengna,it made me cry.............

[Amy]

Good Morning, Danette. I'm actually more surprised that the Anthonys chose NOT to have the father involved when Caylee was born or demand to know who Caylee's father was. It makes no sense to me.

Maybe they thought she was going to marry Jesse and there was no need for the father to be involved and live happily ever after. Who knows.

I can't help but think of the other bio grandparents not knowing that Caylee was one of theirs. Or do they?

Perhaps Casey DID tell the A's who the father is? And, they didn't like the answer one bit? I CAN see a control type person not wanting the other side of the baby's family to know of her. They would have to share the time, attention and love with another set of grandparents. The father might have some influence, or demand some say in how to raise Caylee.

[KatieKates]

How is stating on an internet message board that I'd like them to take down that missing child poster ignoring the boundaries of human decency? :huh:

I think the people who have camped out in front of the house and yelled obscenities are ignoring the boundaries of human decency, but I'm not sure I think that extends to an internet message board.

I'd like a sign these people are living in reality and that they're going to cooperate with LE and do the right thing. I'm sure they have pictures all over their home of little Caylee. And I can see how taking that poster down would be an act of finality to the "searching" part of this tragedy. I'm certainly not suggesting they need to move on and get over her death.

I see your frustration and I'm not trying to pot stir, but why is it for anyone to tell them what to do? Why is what they are doing or how they are reacting any of our business? I don't mean to single you out but it floors me to see how many people are more concerned with the Grandparents behavior than they are Casey's. It's not anyone's place to tell another person how to act during a situation like this. This isn't a poorly written play that we can demand our money back from, this is their reality. FWIW, MOO.

[kitty1182]

This is exactly my concern and I am dreading hearing the first words out of Cindy's mouth will be that Zanny did it. The whole world has had enough of the Zanny story and everyone knows it is a dreamed-up scenario. I fully believe the defense isn't crafted as of yet, and that they will attempt to discover all that LE knows before coming up with more excuses and explanations. They'd better come up with something better than Zanny.

I pray she doesn't say that....I pray she doesn't...

[Heidi J.]

Good Morning all. This was on Geraldo last night. They say it was taken on 8/11 FWIW. http://psychicgale.com/blinddrive.htm Think whatever you like but it kind of creeps me out. I do however find it interesting to see how wooded the area is.

Wow.. that is interesting. That is the spot.. no doubt. I don't understand why everyone kept saying it was searched when it wasn't:confused: or at least not good.

[Regina.Lampert]

Brad Conway also said they were sticking with the Zenaida Gonzalez story, just not "that" Zenaida that LE has questioned.

Yes he did, BEFORE the remains of Caylee had been found. If you look at his statement from the Anthony's after Caylee had been identified, there is absolutely no mention of Zenaida, nanny or even casey. They are not backing her lies any longer, now all they want is the truth and said they will work with LE in finding it.

It's all in their statement that Conway read for them.

[n/t]

How ironic that in that first jailhouse conversation, Cindy tells Casey (paraphrasing) and who's fault is it that you're in jail, sweetheart? If you would've told the truth, you wouldn't be sitting in jail.

And what do the Anthonys do? They lie. Not only did they lie at the bond hearing, they continued to lie about the smell in that trunk.

[Regina.Lampert]

I am leaning toward your thoughts Regina. I think what will turn them is the fact that they know she is dead and they have heard about the horrific shape of her discarded body. IMO they will now be in search of the truth. IMO.

Yep, I think they are now ready to do what all of us have been begging them to do, put Caylee first.

I don't blame people for not believing they will do this, there is ample evidence in the form of their past atrocious behavior that they may not. So, we wait to see.

[Heidi J.]

Good Morning, Danette. I'm actually more surprised that the Anthonys chose NOT to have the father involved when Caylee was born or demand to know who Caylee's father was. It makes no sense to me.

Maybe they thought she was going to marry Jesse and there was no need for the father to be involved and live happily ever after. Who knows.

I can't help but think of the other bio grandparents not knowing that Caylee was one of theirs. Or do they?

I think it is all about control. I think that's what led to Caylee's death as well. JMO

[Amy]

Good morning - Baez was on Geraldo last night (surprise, surprise). I didn't watch the whole thing because I was getting to ticked off. Baez did say that they decided not to go to the scene because it was not in the same shape as it was when they found the body. The dirt had been overturned and trees/bushes had been cut down. It would have done them no good so they'll use the reports and the videos taken and he'll take up his "beefs" with LE in court. Then Phil Keating showed a picture of the area with the trees/buses cut down.

Baez then bashed LE for searching the GP's house on the day after they found out Caylee was dead.

Geraldo said he believes that LE is getting ready to indict the GPs on obstruction charges.

Jeanine Piero (sp?) started to defend LE and this other defense lawyer was screaming. That's when I shut it off.

Baez is a ninny. LE comes up w/some evidence that relates to the house, and they are to wait until when to search again? Wait until the A's hear what they are looking for and be able to move it? If Baez thinks they should wait until the A's are less heartbroken, that will be forever.

AND, they can only go in for what is on the warrant--and if they found something new, they would need a new warrant to cover that. Surely, in all his experience and expertise as a lawyer, Baez would get that.

And, Geraldo just might be right. Only, I don't think LE is going to charge the A's with anything until after the trial--for SURE the A's would not cooperate in giving testimony if they are charged before the trial. Besides, why would Geraldo think that? The A's own attorney has said that he has talked w/prosecution and there has been NO indication the A's were going to be charged w/anything!!! (But, he also is asking for immunity :tongueside:)

[KatieKates]

Yep, I think they are now ready to do what all of us have been begging them to do, put Caylee first.

I don't blame people for not believing they will do this, there is ample evidence in the form of their past atrocious behavior that they may not. So, we wait to see.

I agree, I think given the circumstances that they really can't sugar coat anything anymore. But, we'll see soon enough...

[SandyO]

Yes he did, BEFORE the remains of Caylee had been found. If you look at his statement from the Anthony's after Caylee had been identified, there is absolutely no mention of Zenaida, nanny or even casey. They are not backing her lies any longer, now all they want is the truth and said they will work with LE in finding it.

It's all in their statement that Conway read for them.

Regina: I know Conway said all the right things. I wanted to pat him on the back! My fear is that George and Cindy won't be able to stay on that same page with him. Conway is there for the benefit of G & C and I'm sure he's giving them all the same good advice Nejame gave them before him ---- but my fear is that Cindy, in particular, just won't be able to go that route. We shall see............

[Amy]

Here's a few more photos of the search. They are not very helpful. Cindy is in one of the pictures.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-caylee-anthony-search-warrant-122008,0,5699403.photogallery

#3 shows Mr KidFinder going in to the house, so guess KDN is still in the pic? Haven't heard anything about them since the "investigation" into the background of the founders.

[n/t]

Perhaps Casey DID tell the A's who the father is? And, they didn't like the answer one bit? I CAN see a control type person not wanting the other side of the baby's family to know of her. They would have to share the time, attention and love with another set of grandparents. The father might have some influence, or demand some say in how to raise Caylee.


I'm leaning more towards "who" the father was and they weren't accepting of who he is/was. If he was a guy with money, I think he'd be in Caylee's life. No doubt about it, imo.

[Regina.Lampert]

You're a good person, scampi and I respect your decision to give them the benefit of the doubt that they will do a complete 360.

I just don't feel that way at this point in time. I think they will continue to blame everyone else and sadly, there will be many more victims before this is over. Zanny the nanny doesn't exist but we'll have to wait and see who they will point the finger at next. The meter reader? One or all of the detectives who checked out the scene in August?

It's not over yet.


All you say is true n/t. I might be totally fooled by that statement and may I say if that happens, after my crow dinner I will return to my criticism of them with neck snapping speed. Time will tell.

I would just LOVE IT for them to turn on casey anthony. She deserves to go through the nightmare she created alone, with only this dishonest bunch she has defending her rights, on her side. imo.

[Amy]

I wouldn't put it pass Casey to tell her parents he wanted nothing to do with her, when in fact he probably doesn't know. Also do we know for a "FACT", that Casey really didn't want Caylee but Cindy made her have her? After hearing Kiomarie sold her story, is it the truth, she is the only one saying it unless I missed someone else saying.

Uncle Rick said that Casey didn't want her mom to know she was pregnant, that she was going to give the baby up for adoption. Which made KioMarie's story plausible, IMO. Altho, if Casey told her she gave Caylee the middle name of Marie in honor of KioMarie, I wonder how much THAT is true, being that Marie is also Casey's middle name. (I wonder what Cindy's middle name is?)

[RainyNiteNTx]

How ironic that in that first jailhouse conversation, Cindy tells Casey (paraphrasing) and who's fault is it that you're in jail, sweetheart? If you would've told the truth, you wouldn't be sitting in jail.

And what do the Anthonys do? They lie. Not only did they lie at the bond hearing, they continued to lie about the smell in that trunk.

Yes they did continue to lie and continued until the time Caylee's body was found. Now they are asking for immunity and I think there is a reason for the timing on this. I think all who lied and delayed this investigation should be held accountable.

[PuffDragon]

{snipped to shorten}
The story about handing Caylee over to Cindy came from more than one source, George, Lee, and I believe a friend or two of Casey's..

But they weren't all there, the story had to originate from Cindy. I wonder if originally it wasn't a kind of a boast, as in: "I got to hold the baby first!" and then Casey took offense at it. I think the two of them are very good at pushing each others buttons.

I remember when I had my babies, I was always so exhausted and out of it that I would never have noticed if somebody got to hold them before I did. When I got them I looked at them for a minute and went to sleep, 15 people could have had them in their arms before I did and I wouldn't even have known.

[kjt200]

Good Morning,

I've been thinking about the relationship between Jose Baez and Casey a lot this morning. I don't really buy into the whole "inappropriate" relationship theory, but I do know one thing for sure. Clearly, Jose Baez considers this case his ticket to the big time. I'm starting to get an impression that isolation is going to play a part in the overall outcome of this case.

I'm going to say it badly, but here goes.

Two things added together creates certain reactions. In this case, Casey's ability to close herself off, ignore those around her, control access and bury herself away in protective custody, books and snacks coupled with Baez's need to have Casey rely totally upon him may create a dynamic that George and Cindy may not anticipate.

Think about it.

Casey has not seen her family for a long time and it looks as if she may not see them anytime soon. The gig is up, the body has been found. She doesn't care that her parents have been out there professing her innocence. Her world has been distilled down to her and Jose Baez. And what is Jose's goal? To get her off at all costs. Because that will be his E-ticket to the "high profile" status. And if you are Jose and know that the evidence is working against you AND you don't care who goes down as long as it's not YOUR client---what do you do?

You sacrifice someone else.

Casey's friends? Good thought, but not enough to really build on. Zanny? Too ridiculous to really hold water. Who is left? George, Cindy or Lee, that's who. Will he sacrifice the very family who obstructed justice to try to save their daughter? I think he might. I also think Casey may latch onto that defense because it may be the only one to actually cast doubt in a juror's mind. She probably thinks her folks will write her off at some point anyway so what has she got to lose?

I find it ironic that while most wait to see if Cindy and George turn on Casey that there might be a bigger development. That Casey turns on Cindy and George and tries to throw them to the wolves. Family loyalty doesn't seem to be big on Casey's list and Jose Baez will be more than a willing partner in a new deception.

Sorry for the rambling. Just a thought. Thanks for listening. My own opinion of course. Be well.

[KatieKates]

Yes they did continue to lie and continued until the time Caylee's body was found. Now they are asking for immunity and I think there is a reason for the timing on this. I think all who lied and delayed this investigation should be held accountable.

So, should the cops who didn't follow up correctly on the meter reader's first 2 leads be held accountable?

[zinnia]

This case would never have been front page news if it weren't for their own actions. Casey NEVER called the police and was stealing & partying. George & Cindy were on every talk show blaming everyone but the odious creature. They made it front page news and will have to live with it. JMO

I am sure Cindy thinks often about that 911 call. The 31 days she believed that Casey had Caylee to bond. She refused to believe differently and was venimous in her attack on others. The media grabbed it and showed at every moment they could the story. So even tho I agree that the As were in a complete denial mode and had little grip on what was really coming out I don't think they were looking for their 15 minutes of fame.
Life took a twist and the media microscopes jumped on it. Every aspect of their lives has been looked at and discussed. I'm on here everyday and All of their lives have been discussed.
My thought is did they act or react. Seems most of what they did is react to a horrible reality.

[floridamom]

Casey's Dream Team is mounting an OJ Simpson defense. Everyday they lay the groundwork "Garbage in - Garbage out". I hope the move the trial to North Florida or the West Coast of Florida...much more conservative jurors than in Miami.

[n/t]

Hmm, I'll have to go back and check that out, I thought he made the statement after the remains were found.

This is the statement:

"As everyone now knows, the remains recovered off Suburban Drive are those of Caylee Marie Anthony. The Anthony family did not give up hope that Caylee was still alive until we were notified by the Orange County Sheriff’s Office at approximately 1:30pm today. The Anthonys want to thank you for your prayers and best wishes that have been said on behalf of Caylee. They now know that their precious granddaughter is safe and hope that she will serve as the angel that protects thousands of missing children and their families. Please continue your prayers for Caylee, the Anthonys and the families that still hope and pray that their children will be found. We would like to thank crime scene investigators for their exhaustive efforts. The Anthonys want the same answers as everyone who has been assigned to investigate and prosecute this case. In an effort to determine the truth, the Anthony family will be available to law enforcement as the investigation continues. As you can imagine, the Anthonys are grieving deeply about this loss. Please respect their privacy and understand they will stand together as a family in order to get through this. Your thoughts and prayers are welcome, but they also ask that you pray for the families who have lost a child under any circumstances. This is a tragic moment in the lives of good and honorable people. Please treat them respectfully so they can grieve with dignity over the loss of this precious child, Caylee Marie Anthony.”

http://www.primewriter.com/blog/?cat=223

[bchand]

Yes I knew he did. My question was if he took it before or after Caylee was born. :smile:


He took it at the end of Aug or beginning of Sept. 2005

http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/casey_anthony_full_coverage/files/jesse-grund-interview-part1.pdf


They met - Jan 2005
Caylee was born Aug 9, 2005

Conception would have been Nov/Dec 2004 (He didn't even know her yet.) She did NOT want him to get the DNA test. She just wanted him to go on good faith.

[Amy]

We have Cindy's strange story about how Casey took Caylee to bond with her. Because in the delivery room Cindy got to hold her first. I hope LE has gone to the hospital records and spoken to the people in the delivery room.

JMO

It was 3 years ago. I doubt the people in the delivery room have any recollection unless there was something really odd about the case. IMO, it is not odd @ all that grandma and grandpa were in the delivery room. Here, sometimes there are up to 6 people in the room @ the time of deliviery--sometimes even the father of the father!!! AND, where I work, if the dad is not around, it is quite common to give the baby to grandma or aunt or grandpa to carry to the mom after the baby is stabilized.

If she was born in a big hospital w/hundreds of deliveries a month, it would have to have been a MAJOR incident for delivery people to remember. IMO

[Amy]

I'm sure the intentions are good, but I wish people would donate those stuffed animals to a children's hospital or to a charity. They could do so in Caylee's name ...

Just a thought.

Maybe Kathy Belich and NG and people in the media could make that suggestion. (With the blessing of the A's, of course.)

[SandyO]

It's even more than that, kjt200. Casey was able to create a whole imaginary life around herself, complete with characters and events. Names, relatives of those names, dates, the whole ball of wax. Casey had herself pictured as a full time worker, student and mother. This is why I think Casey will do just fine in jail, even if she's there for the rest of her life. Casey can create a whole 'nuther world for herself, all in her own mind.

[KatieKates]

I don't know how to "snip" so forgive me for reposting the original long post. I too believe that Casey will throw her family under the bus at the instruction of Jose. That will be his "aha" moment. The abuse factor and the controlling mother that Casey feared. Even though in the videos her parents appear to fear her.

(You just quote the person and before you type your response, delete the text you don't want to appear in the "quote" codes. Label it "snipped")

And I totally agree. It's going to be a Menedez defense where Casey was the victim of some sort of wrong doing by this family...

[n/t]

Good post kjt. If the Anthonys will seek the truth and cooperate with law enforcement, there's no telling who Baez will sacrifice to get Casey off.

[trich]

but they weren't all there, the story had to originate from cindy. I wonder if originally it wasn't a kind of a boast, as in: "i got to hold the baby first!" and then casey took offense at it. I think the two of them are very good at pushing each others buttons.

I remember when i had my babies, i was always so exhausted and out of it that i would never have noticed if somebody got to hold them before i did. When i got them i looked at them for a minute and went to sleep, 15 people could have had them in their arms before i did and i wouldn't even have known.



exactly!!!

[RainyNiteNTx]

So, should the cops who didn't follow up correctly on the meter reader's first 2 leads be held accountable?

Of course it should be investigated fully. If it is found that the deputy who waved the other officer away is the one that dated Casey or had sex with her is the same one (I don't know - just an example), then yes he should be held accountable for delaying this investigation.

There is a difference in LE making an honest mistake and outright blatant lies and/or actions which were done by the Anthony family IMO.

[PuffDragon]

I guess I am not understanding why what Caylee called her grandparents is an issue and why it relates to her little song.

For me, Katt, it's because I get this video in my head of Cindy singing lovingly to Caylee and inserting "Nan", into that appropriate place. She must have sung it over and over to Caylee for her to know it so well. To me that speaks volumes of her love for the baby. And then Caylee is missing and Cindy says she called her Ce-Ce? Why not "Nan"? Or "Nanny"? Well, maybe because Cindy didn't want anybody to make a connection to Casey's "nanny" story. I want to keep thinking of Cindy snuggling Caylee and smiling into her face while singing about sunshine.

[floridamom]

[QUOTE=kjt200;12566980]Good Morning,

I've been thinking about the relationship between Jose Baez and Casey a lot this morning. I don't really buy into the whole "inappropriate" relationship theory, but I do know one thing for sure. Clearly, Jose Baez considers this case his ticket to the big time. I'm starting to get an impression that isolation is going to play a part in the overall outcome of this case.

You are Brilliant....I just hope Biaz doesn't read this!!!!!
Casey would go for your plan....one last dig at her controlling MOM!

[Amy]

I believe it's completely normal after finding out about a death of a loved one to not run around removing things, even the missing child poster, that is connected to the deceased person. They are grieving grandparents, they loved that little girl, I think that should be obvious to everyone. No, I don't agree with all their actions but I'm not in their shoes so who am I to judge. Sometimes I don't feel they can do anything right in the eyes of the public.

JMO

You are right. No matter what they do, it will be scrutinized, and IMO, always with any eye toward the negative. Wonder how many people would be saying, well, they certainly took that poster down right quick, shouldn't they have left it up as a reminder that they didn't believe she was dead? Or, something along those lines.

IMO, they are not out in the public eye right now because they are grieving over Caylee (and who wants to grieve on national tv?) Some people are critisizing that they are holed up in their home, yet, if they were out and giving pc's instead of their attorney, folks would see a negative in that.

[KatieKates]

Of course it should be investigated fully. If it is found that the deputy who waved the other officer away is the one that dated Casey or had sex with her is the same one (I don't know - just an example), then yes he should be held accountable for delaying this investigation.

There is a difference in LE making an honest mistake and outright blatant lies and/or actions which were done by the Anthony family IMO.

I disagree, respectfully, of course. :wink: I think not following up on those leads caused the circus, IMO. Cindy wouldn't have been able to flap her gums, Lenny P wouldn't have entered the picture, protesters wouldn't have been given the opportunity to throw anything at the house and cause such horrific mayhem. Not looking into those leads led to what we are seeing today. People demanding that the GP's take those signs out of the windows of their own home. FWIW, MOO.

[n/t]

So, should the cops who didn't follow up correctly on the meter reader's first 2 leads be held accountable?

I believe they're investigating and yes, if it turns out that the proper protocols were not followed, they should be held accountable. It's their job. A rattlesnake isn't an excuse to leave a potential crime scene.

I can't wait to hear what happens with that investigation. I'm just glad it came out now rather than later. The prosecution doesn't need these surprises at trial.

[kjt200]

It's even more than that, kjt200. Casey was able to create a whole imaginary life around herself, complete with characters and events. Names, relatives of those names, dates, the whole ball of wax. Casey had herself pictured as a full time worker, student and mother. This is why I think Casey will do just fine in jail, even if she's there for the rest of her life. Casey can create a whole 'nuther world for herself, all in her own mind.

I so agree with you. It's strange. I tend not to be for the death penalty because of the statistics that prove some are not provided with an sufficient defense...BUT.........The one thing a death conviction does is to isolate the inmate. In the long run, I think that type of isolation is the only real punishment Casey could receive that might actually get through her dim skull. Year after year of isolation. Because a conviction of life will put her into general population at some point.

And it will be in general population that Casey will create that new life for herself. She's cute. She'll have her fan letters from outside. She has the gift of gab. She'll be pretty dang popular until she gets old. She will certainly not spend night after night seeing the face of her child in her dreams. She will spend her time making up the next lie that will garner her a favor or a friend or the attention of a male guard. It's not the life she would have chosen, but she will adapt just fine.

And that is not right...................it's just not right.......

My own opinion.

[KatieKates]

I believe they're investigating and yes, if it turns out that the proper protocols were not followed, they should be held accountable. It's their job. A rattlesnake isn't an excuse to leave a potential crime scene.

I can't wait to hear what happens with that investigation. I'm just glad it came out now rather than later. The prosecution doesn't need these surprises at trial.

ITA, this is going to be the golden egg for the defense, that and Casey's parents...who haven't paid for her mistakes enough, apparently. She'll make sure they all go down with her. JMO

[SandyO]

I wish Cindy and George had some good old friends and loving family to be spending time with them now. They really need that. It seems the only visitors have been Kid Finders folks, and those are recent aquaintances, not solid old friends. It's a shame, a real shame.

[zinnia]

I so agree with you. It's strange. I tend not to be for the death penalty because of the statistics that prove some are not provided with an sufficient defense...BUT.........The one thing a death conviction does is to isolate the inmate. In the long run, I think that type of isolation is the only real punishment Casey could receive that might actually get through her dim skull. Year after year of isolation. Because a conviction of life will put her into general population at some point.

And it will be in general population that Casey will create that new life for herself. She's cute. She'll have her fan letters from outside. She has the gift of gab. She'll be pretty dang popular until she gets old. She will certainly not spend night after night seeing the face of her child in her dreams. She will spend her time making up the next lie that will garner her a favor or a friend or the attention of a male guard. It's not the life she would have chosen, but she will adapt just fine.

And that is not right...................it's just not right.......

My own opinion.

In the general jail population they HATE child killers. Isolation is her only hope.

[Regina.Lampert]

Wow.. that is interesting. That is the spot.. no doubt. I don't understand why everyone kept saying it was searched when it wasn't:confused: or at least not good.

I'll say it's interesting!!! Gayle and the other's keep questioning "she wouldn't put her this close to home!!" You can sure see just how dense the area is with all that foliage growth and you can also see the fencing around the area.

This is a great tape and I bet we see it at trial.

[kjt200]

In the general jail population they HATE child killers. Isolation is her only hope.

Not everyone hates baby killers. I think many inmates will overlook that little fact in anticipation of a pack of smokes, a snack, a sexual favor or other benefit. Prison if full of rapists, killers and other assorted fiends. At the bare minimum, Casey can create a web of friends made up of other "hated" folks. Its beyond sick, but I think it is the prison reality.

My own opinion of course.

[Amy]

Does anyone think that a jury will believe that Zenaida entered the house and searched for chloroform recipes on Casey's computer - just like Goldilocks entered the three bears' house and tasted the porridge?

But, of course!!! If you are going to kidnap a little girl and then kill her (but, why--I tho't "Zanny" LOVED Caylee?) and want to cast suspicion on the little girl's mom, you find a way to get a key to the house and get on her computer, after finagling her password, and do searches to further the suspicion. If you are going to conspire against someone, gotta do it right!!!

I can't imagine Casey actually giving a key to HER MOM's house to a stranger, or anyone for that matter. I guess, since I don't think there was a Zanny the nanny, I don't believe the key story, either. Let's hope the jury doesn't believe it either!! Love the Goldilocks analogy!!!

[Heidi J.]

To think of that little baby out there alone in the dark and wet makes me so sick - I almost can't take it. My mind just shuts down at the thought of her last moments, and I pray that she was sleeping peacefully and knew nothing. Please god let that be true.

Looking at the picture of Cindy during the last search of her house - she looks like she is being beaten to death from the inside. I know she may have done a lot of cr*p over the last few months, but from the pictures with Caylee and that picture of her face now, I believe in my heart that she was just in denial because she loved that little girl so much that she could never accept her death until it was essentially put in her face with proof. At least I hope that's what it was - doesn't excuse covering up Casey's evil, but I understand that shutting down of the mind and complete denial. Who wouldn't want to deny the death of that beautiful little girl with the amazing eyes? Oh man, I can't stop crying about this case.

At first I also believed that they were just in denial, and didn't think Casey could possibly harm Caylee.. But as the days turned to weeks and then months.. I don't see it. C and G had to have known from the smell of that car. She even makes mention of it in her 911 call.

Then there was the TES and the searches.. Cindy didn't want people to find her. That is the feeling i got anyway.

I have not felt a bit of remorse for C and G since the beginning. Nor do I feel a bit of compassion for Lee. They all are enablers. They have all been very uncooperative in this investigation, even hindered it in MHO.:cursing:

This story has captivated the world for 5 long months. Many of us sat in front of our computer screens, balling our eyes out when it was revealed the skull was infact Caylee's. I will never forget this, nor will my children and if I .. a person who has never even laid eyes on this little girl in person can feel so much compassion for her.. why doesn't her own grandparents?

To them it will always be about Casey.. it always has been.

[Heidi J.]

Let's not forget that Cindy has made a complete spectacle of herself. There's nothing "normal" about her.

I'm sorry for the loss she and her family are experiencing. I'd like to see them do the right thing for once and put Caylee first.

EXACTLY!!:cursing:

[Regina.Lampert]

Regina: I know Conway said all the right things. I wanted to pat him on the back! My fear is that George and Cindy won't be able to stay on that same page with him. Conway is there for the benefit of G & C and I'm sure he's giving them all the same good advice Nejame gave them before him ---- but my fear is that Cindy, in particular, just won't be able to go that route. We shall see............

You sure could be right Sandy. I place the odds at 70/30.....with 30 being that they cooperate with LE. We shall see.....

[openminded]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before but has anyone listened to words that Caylee was singing to the my only sunshine song?

They were ...please don't take nan's sunshine away.
I heard that the other night and I just got cold chills.

I will never think of that song again without substituting "Nan's sunshine" for the actual words.

I wonder if Nan is her great-grandmother? I think I remember hearing an elderly female's voice in the video after she had finished singing and that could have been Cindy's mother. Maybe Caylee was singing for/to her?

[Amy]

The story about handing Caylee over to Cindy came from more than one source, George, Lee, and I believe a friend or two of Casey's. IIRC George had said something about Casey being stitched up and sedated, etc. But what mother isn't at that time? Maybe not all require stitches, but my daughter just recently did. She had been up all night, 14 hours in labor before she delivered. She was exhausted and had an epidural. Yet they handed the baby right over to her. Both myself and the daddy were standing by. I suspect Cindy just stepped in and took Caylee at that time. Does anyone know if she delivered at Winnie Palmer Hospital? It would have been pretty new at that time.

I always call dad to the wqrmer to take the baby to mom. When dad is not around, I have grandma or auntie or whomever seemed to be the first support person to do so. The only times I take the baby to mom myself is when the support persons (other than dad) are making fools of themselves, arguing over who is going to be the first to hold the baby. Or, when none of the support persons are in the room @ the time the baby is ready to go to mom.

[Regina.Lampert]

I stand corrected. I just watched the video again. This is how things all run together in this case for so many of us! I could have sworn it was at the end of that statement that he said what he did about Zenaida.

It's so easy to get balled up, so much information. Just think how LE and the lawyers have to keep everything straight. This trial is going to be amazing to watch, imo.

[SandyO]

You sure could be right Sandy. I place the odds at 70/30.....with 30 being that they cooperate with LE. We shall see.....

That's a fair guess at the odds, and I agree. We can hope.

[katied75]

I always call dad to the wqrmer to take the baby to mom. When dad is not around, I have grandma or auntie or whomever seemed to be the first support person to do so. The only times I take the baby to mom myself is when the support persons (other than dad) are making fools of themselves, arguing over who is going to be the first to hold the baby. Or, when none of the support persons are in the room @ the time the baby is ready to go to mom.

When I had both of my children in the last few years, one by regular birth and one c-section, both times the doctor delivered the baby, held her/ him up to say "here's your son/ daughter" and then handed her/ him to a nurse who immediatly brought the child to my chest. I held the child (or with the c-section, the nurse rested the child on my chest since I couldn't move). My husband was second to hold the child, and then the child was taken to have all of the testing/ foot printing/ weighing etc. done.

[SandyO]

After watching the Gale St John video and listening to the jail house tapes, I cannot believe so many people use the "f" word so freely! I never heard it out of my parents mouths and never used it when I was in their home. In fact I rarely use it now and I have to be really upset if I do. Am I the only one?

I know it! I was aghast when I heard Casey using that word in the 'phone call to her home from jail, but I've heard it a lot since then. Are we getting old or what? It has never been acceptable in my world.

[kitty1182]

I know it! I was aghast when I heard Casey using that word in the 'phone call to her home from jail, but I've heard it a lot since then. Are we getting old or what? It has never been acceptable in my world.

I have used that word before but NEVER to my parents or even my brother....I don't even use that word around my 37 yr. old son..

[Heidi J.]

Again, I'm not in the situation she's in and I sure hope I'm NEVER in a situation like that. I will not judge them, unless you are in the situation you don't KNOW how you'd react.

Yes there were issues in their home, but many homes have issues behind closed doors. I'm sorry but I doubt anyone who knew the A's and their issues ever thought something like this would happen.

I believe, or at least I'm hoping...at some point they will come to terms that their daughter is responsible. Maybe they already have, but aren't ready to let the world know. I'm sure that is a hard thing to do, admitt your flesh and blood is a murderer.

As far as putting Caylee first...I believe they felt they were doing that by believing she was alive..since there was no body. Now that they have a body and a positive ID, they aren't denying anything---they are simply trying to grieve.

JMO

There are certain things I can see them doing to protect them selves, and yes, I could see them being advised against it, like the LD tests or making sure the police have the proper search warrants before entering. But their behavior is well beyond the realm of rational.

No, you are right.. we don't know how it is to be in their shoes. But IMO.. their behavior is what caused this circus. JMO

[Amy]

But they weren't all there, the story had to originate from Cindy. I wonder if originally it wasn't a kind of a boast, as in: "I got to hold the baby first!" and then Casey took offense at it. I think the two of them are very good at pushing each others buttons.

I remember when I had my babies, I was always so exhausted and out of it that I would never have noticed if somebody got to hold them before I did. When I got them I looked at them for a minute and went to sleep, 15 people could have had them in their arms before I did and I wouldn't even have known.

GEORGE was there.

[n/t]

I'll say it's interesting!!! Gayle and the other's keep questioning "she wouldn't put her this close to home!!" You can sure see just how dense the area is with all that foliage growth and you can also see the fencing around the area.

This is a great tape and I bet we see it at trial.


The kid said something about snakes and then I heard mention of 3 days. Did anyone else hear that? Did they know about the tips? If so, how did they know. I'm confused or did I misunderstand what was said.

[MGM111]

I'll say it's interesting!!! Gayle and the other's keep questioning "she wouldn't put her this close to home!!" You can sure see just how dense the area is with all that foliage growth and you can also see the fencing around the area.

This is a great tape and I bet we see it at trial.

Good Morning...

They also state in the video that the water level was very high...this helps to confirm that the area was indeed flooded and that searching would have been difficult.

[Regina.Lampert]

KJT - Excellent post! Your theory is very possible, especially as you noted casey anthony is isoloated from anyone's advice but baez's and I agree, his first priority is his fame from this case and not what's in his client's best interest, imo.

casey anthony's best interest was to have told LE where Caylee was months ago, said it was an accident and that she panicked. Then thrown herself on the mercy of the court. That ship has sailed now.

When casey anthony is found guilty and sentenced to LWOP it will be baez's fault, imo.

[martha]

Good morning everyone. I guess if casey had not reported her child missing for 31 days we may have never heard of this case. So many bad things happen to children and it is never on the news. I know this case is one we will all never forget. No mother or anyone elce would wait 31 days to report their child missing. With all the other things that have been said by casey,lee g and c. this is the one thing that I can not get out of my mind. Maybe g and c really thought caylee was alive but I just don;t know for sure. If casey is the one that killed caylee she needs to spend the rest of her life in jail. I know c and g or hurting now. I don;t think casey cares and it is not bothering her that caylee is gone. If I was c and g I would never have any piece the rest of my life. That house has to very lonesome now. It is full of caylee;s things and I know my tears would never stop. Caylee has made us all stop and think and to love our children more and to take time to hug them and tell them we love them. God will make sure something good comes out of this. I can see it in the way you good poster talk on here.jmho

[Mamie]

For me, Katt, it's because I get this video in my head of Cindy singing lovingly to Caylee and inserting "Nan", into that appropriate place. She must have sung it over and over to Caylee for her to know it so well. To me that speaks volumes of her love for the baby. And then Caylee is missing and Cindy says she called her Ce-Ce? Why not "Nan"? Or "Nanny"? Well, maybe because Cindy didn't want anybody to make a connection to Casey's "nanny" story. I want to keep thinking of Cindy snuggling Caylee and smiling into her face while singing about sunshine.

Okay about that song---------I heard (and maybe some others on here too heard) a different recording of Caylee singing it either Friday night or yesterday eveing----shopping and working throws my days off----but in that version there was no "Nan" in it. And I was going to post when we were talking about the song and the "Nan" part in there but that's when CW gave us a Time Out I think, but with little kids, everything is about getting the right number of beats or syllables in something, not that it's necessarily correct, and in the first recording that we all heard time and time again, that's the feeling I got. I did not plainly hear "Nan". I think if it sounded like that, fine but I think Caylee needed a nother syllable to finish off the song and so that got stuck in there because she kind of stumbled over it. JMO

[summer4meplz]

Good morning everyone from fffreeezzzzing Oklahoma.....

I watched horrible geraldo.....2 things....one...he thinks the grandparents will be indicted soon.....I don't know the extent of the obstruction but couldn't they at least wait until after poor Caylee is buried?

and 2.....he seemed to cut Gayle off....I guess he didn't like that she said they were up to their knees in water...and the foliage was so thick you couldn't see what was under the foliage....

I don't really understand about the meterman and the bag,,,I hope the truth about everything comes out soon......

I love the way the defense kept griping about them taking so long to I>D> Caylee's remains.....and now they're griping that they I<D> her before the toxicology reports are in......ya just can't please some ppl....

stay warm everyone

[Amy]

I'll say it's interesting!!! Gayle and the other's keep questioning "she wouldn't put her this close to home!!" You can sure see just how dense the area is with all that foliage growth and you can also see the fencing around the area.

This is a great tape and I bet we see it at trial.

Tim Miller and some TH said that statistics show that when someone kills a family member or loved one, that the body is most often placed "close to home" or a place that has special significance to either the murderer or the victim, or both.

Seems Casey fit the picture on both counts. IMO

[Katt2]

For me, Katt, it's because I get this video in my head of Cindy singing lovingly to Caylee and inserting "Nan", into that appropriate place. She must have sung it over and over to Caylee for her to know it so well. To me that speaks volumes of her love for the baby. And then Caylee is missing and Cindy says she called her Ce-Ce? Why not "Nan"? Or "Nanny"? Well, maybe because Cindy didn't want anybody to make a connection to Casey's "nanny" story. I want to keep thinking of Cindy snuggling Caylee and smiling into her face while singing about sunshine.

Gotcha and thanks for explaining to me. I had actually thought maybe greatgran was there and she called her nana. And maybe Caylee just stuck her own little word in there as toddlers are so apt to do.

[nana6]

It's so easy to get balled up, so much information. Just think how LE and the lawyers have to keep everything straight. This trial is going to be amazing to watch, imo.

Please tell me this IS going to be on tv???? Have you heard for sure??

[courtsinsession]

This is exactly my concern and I am dreading hearing the first words out of Cindy's mouth will be that Zanny did it. The whole world has had enough of the Zanny story and everyone knows it is a dreamed-up scenario. I fully believe the defense isn't crafted as of yet, and that they will attempt to discover all that LE knows before coming up with more excuses and explanations. They'd better come up with something better than Zanny.

you better believe it; When Baez says we only heard half the story (or whatever words he used) he really means he is creating another Casey fantasy to put before the jury. Notice he never uses the words "truth" anywhere in his discussions with the media.

[summer4meplz]

It is a shame but I believe they have no one to blame but themselves for this. They have isolated whatever family and friends they had previously.


I don't care how mad I was at my siblings....in a time like this, I would come around.....we don't know what's going on inside the house...they are probably talking to at least their parents...don't you think? I can't imagine in my worst nightmare being so isolated ....

[PuffDragon]

I know it! I was aghast when I heard Casey using that word in the 'phone call to her home from jail, but I've heard it a lot since then. Are we getting old or what? It has never been acceptable in my world.

Nor mine, Sandy. I have never found the need to use it and won't listen to it around me. Somebody who uses that (or any other rude) word in my presence gets politely asked to go outside with it. I taught my son that it's a sign of ignorance that the speaker has poor language skills and of laziness that he won't bother to think of a more descriptive adjective.

[summer4meplz]

Please tell me this IS going to be on tv???? Have you heard for sure??


oh, absolutely no doubt this trial will be on TV,,,,isn't Florida the original "tv in the courtroom" state?

[Heidi J.]

I wish Cindy and George had some good old friends and loving family to be spending time with them now. They really need that. It seems the only visitors have been Kid Finders folks, and those are recent aquaintances, not solid old friends. It's a shame, a real shame.

I wonder why they don't have any long time friends:confused: They could have burned bridges before this..

[kitty1182]

Please tell me this IS going to be on tv???? Have you heard for sure??

I sure hope so or I will have to move to Fla..

[trich]

After watching the Gale St John video and listening to the jail house tapes, I cannot believe so many people use the "f" word so freely! I never heard it out of my parents mouths and never used it when I was in their home. In fact I rarely use it now and I have to be really upset if I do. Am I the only one?

If my daughter or son talked to me that way I would have washed their mouths out with soap and slapped their faces.
I am so offended by the F word.
why do people have to use it to express themselves.
I have never used it no matter how mad I have gotten.

I like to think I keep myself to a higher standard.

[openminded]

Wonder if anyone is looking for the right Zenaida?:rolleyes:
I can't believe that any one believes that nanny story.

I was just thinking the same thing!

How will Baez deal with that at trial, I wonder. "Well, it's not that Zenaida, it's another Zenaida, but LE didn't even try to find her and we know she's out there although we didn't find anything to prove she exists either."

Yeah. That'll work.

[PuffDragon]

GEORGE was there.

George was in the delivery room? Oh, I didn't know that. Not that it changes anything, who knows if he noticed or if he just 'remembers' it because Cindy talks about it so much.

[Regina.Lampert]

I'm watching that video now and did anyone catch Gale say "they said that area was searched by true cadaver dogs", does this mean her dog isn't a true cadaver dog?

Parts of the audio on that tape are hard to understand and at one point somebody, I think Gayle says what I thought was "it's the skull, it's the skull" and I got the willies. What she was really saying was "it's the SCHOOL, it's the SCHOOL. Whew!

Also got the chills when Dalton starts to feel sick to his stomach at the Anthony home and at the area where Caylee was found.

[summer4meplz]

Good morning- I am just jumping back in - are there rumors of charges against the Anthony's?


geraldo thinks they will be indicted soon....fwiw

[jammies]

re: the meter man. As he was probably in that area often enough, or made a point to do drive by's he observed that no recent searches were being done there. Also, being a local, he would know that the waterlogged areas in Orlando were finally dried out.

I think he is just like the rest of us in here and all the other numerous boards. He was nagged and haunted by this specific area. Read all the docs, put together his sitings of plastic bags, kio's statements, prox. to the house, etc. He took action and got lucky. I can see this guy laying away at night thinking about it.

He didn't give up. I love this dude! Wish he would join us here at IS.

[AMS]

Good morning- I am just jumping back in - are there rumors of charges against the Anthony's?

Not really. Geraldo said last ight that he thought LE was getting ready to indict the GPs on obstruction charges. He was mad that LE went back and searched the house yesterday.

[canada]

Yes they did continue to lie and continued until the time Caylee's body was found. Now they are asking for immunity and I think there is a reason for the timing on this. I think all who lied and delayed this investigation should be held accountable.

ITA LE were led astray, TES was led astray, everybody was led astray when Casey knew the truth and I am sure her parents and brother knew at least some of the truth...enough to know there was no point in searching for a live Caylee. Yet they stuck to their concocted story and probably still will.

All the man hours....all the money...all the time spent physically searching and following leads. This wasn't the only case LE has to work on. I can't even imagine the overtime bill for all of this.

The family, the lawyers went on how many television shows, made how many statements and then they turn and claim that they can't get a fair trial because of the media coverage? They fed the media. Give me a break. This makes me so angry.

[Pruddennce]

G'morning everyone!!

Any pics, links, etc, for the search of the Anthony home lastnight? Wonder what LE went back for. My initial instinct, I wonder if the Anthony's didn't tell them something true, and new, that caused them to get a search warrant and go back for some items of importance.

After all, they have said that they are going to be helpful, finally. And I'm waiting to see it.

IMO, your speculation is correct. they withheld information as Cindy was doing 'her own investigation' per George in his 7/24 interview.

Cindy, IMO, left 'well enough alone' regarding certain items....items that she knew had a connection of a crime being committed by Casey.

out of sight, out of mind.

that has been my contention since they began their 'save casey' campaign, also when Cindy said "Casey is a victim'.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=6220718&page=1

Im curious as to the ping locations: was the location of her remains identified with pings at some point? perhaps some of our 'ping people' on the boards can answer that question. or was her phone turned off....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Heidi J.]

I sure hope so or I will have to move to Fla..

lol.. This is bigger then OJ.. I think it will be televised.

[Regina.Lampert]

I have used that word before but NEVER to my parents or even my brother....I don't even use that word around my 37 yr. old son..

I am so thankful we have that first jailhouse tape. IMO, that is the real casey anthony, the monster that Cindy and George had to deal with their entire lives.

Also the monster who had poor Caylee at her mercy.

[nana6]

oh, absolutely no doubt this trial will be on TV,,,,isn't Florida the original "tv in the courtroom" state?

Hi Summer, I think, if I am not mistakedn, that it is up to each judge if he wants cameras in the courtroom. No?

[jakee]

Not really. Geraldo said last ight that he thought LE was getting ready to indict the GPs on obstruction charges. He was mad that LE went back and searched the house yesterday.


Ok, why was Geraldo mad about that? :confused:

[nana6]

I really do hope that C, G, and L had no idea where Caylee was because the thought of them knowing she was out there where she was found for months on end and not going to get her for burial makes me ill. I am not even sure I want to know though I believe we will find out so much more at trial.

[jammies]

Very good post and my thoughts exactly. If I had been able to spend more time in Orlando, I would have been trying to search on my own too.

I'll bet Kitty REALLY relates to this guy! re the bush!

[cherish]

I heard the reason they wore the booties was because they came directly from the Body Crime Scene and had dirt on their shoes. JMO

And Cindy doesn't have a vacuum cleaner

[bluwaters]

Hi Summer, I think, if I am not mistakedn, that it is up to each judge if he wants cameras in the courtroom. No?
I'm not certain how that works nana6.
However, all of Casey's hearings have been on camera. That makes me think that the trial will be recorded as well.
If IS doesn't stream it, I feel certain that the local stations will.
They have steamed all press conferences live as well.
I am going to have to quite my job. :unsure:

[summer4meplz]

Hi Summer, I think, if I am not mistakedn, that it is up to each judge if he wants cameras in the courtroom. No?

I really don't know who makes the decision...but I can't imagine them NOT viewing this trial......I think the trial will be way off in the distant future but thanks to the sunshine law....we will probably not have to wait long to hear the evidence....I hope anyway...

[jammies]

I tried finding him in the whitepages just to send a Christmas card & thank you but he isn't listed. I would even take him out to dinner when I'm up there just to thank him and not even ask a single question about the situation!!!



What a wonderful idea, MM. If you or anyone else finds his address would you pm me? I want to send him a thank you note.

Or we could send them to his attorney?

[Danette44]

I sure hope they saved a tape of that conversation. Baez is acting like a spoiled little kid--"If you don't let me go in when I want to, I'm not going in @ all!!!" I suppose there is going to be some spin on that in the trial--that because LE didn't let them in on the investigation of the scene, it must have been because LE was going to manipulate the evidence and didn't want the defense team to see that. Or something along those lines.

Also JB wanted it left the way LE found it - is this man for real??? He acts like Casey is the only person that is hated in the world because of little Caylee being missing by the socall Nanny. Heck - Scott Peterson was more hated than Casey and also they didn't have a TOD or COD on Laci and Connors. That big mouth NY Attorney stating if she was in NY and this was an accident she would only be fine $50.00 and walk. We see how they treat Sex Offenders there, probation.....it's unreal how LKB is running her mouth about Casey when she herself hasn't even met her. JB, isn't going to allow anyone to see Casey at all - she will follow his orders because he's the MAN......oh brother, we have a long trial ahead of us. jmoo

[AMS]

Sorry- I was shopping yesterday and out of the loop- what did they go back for? Any clues

No clues that I have heard. They came out with boxes and bags. Cindy and George were home at the time.

[nana6]

for a reporter who is supposed to be neutral, Geraldo sure seems to side with his buddy Jose. I wonder why? When did they get to be such good friends? I remember when this first started, wasn't Geraldo out with Jose on Geraldo's boat or something? I think I remember that correctly. The fact that he was mad that they went back to the A's home with another search warrant is telling and it looks like he is siding with Jose and the defense to me. I don't get it.

[summer4meplz]

And Cindy doesn't have a vacuum cleaner


that's a good point.....I wonder how long they will keep her stuff....I guess it's safe to assume they aren't reading any message boards right now.....

[Regina.Lampert]

Please tell me this IS going to be on tv???? Have you heard for sure??

I don't know for sure, but Beth Karas reporting on it is a very good sign. I think it will be shown, thru TTV and local affiliate streaming. IMO.

[agent99]

What a wonderful idea, MM. If you or anyone else finds his address would you pm me? I want to send him a thank you note.

Or we could send them to his attorney?

Please don't invade his privacy. Although you may have good intentions, it may make him fear for his own safety that people are doing looking up his address and know where he lives.

[nana6]

Also JB wanted it left the way LE found it - is this man for real??? He acts like Casey is the only person that is hated in the world because of little Caylee being missing by the socall Nanny. Heck - Scott Peterson was more hated than Casey and also they didn't have a TOD or COD on Laci and Connors. That big mouth NY Attorney stating if she was in NY and this was an accident she would only be fine $50.00 and walk. We see how they treat Sex Offenders there, probation.....it's unreal how LKB is running her mouth about Casey when she herself hasn't even met her. JB, isn't going to allow anyone to see Casey at all - she will follow his orders because he's the MAN......oh brother, we have a long trial ahead of us. jmoo

well let's hope that the judge does not allow LKB to run the show in his or her courtroom. She is NOT in New York and she had better realize that right now.

[SandyO]

What stunned me the most was that Casey was using it while speaking to her parents! I know young people these days use it often and it is used in Rap music but in speaking to your parents???? Yes, I guess I am getting old. I remember the first time ever seeing the word in graffitti, I was actually walking to my Brownie Troop group and a friend with me had to tell me what it meant!! LOL

I used it one time in my life and I was alone. I dropped a large jar of dill pickles and it smashed on my kitchen floor. It does seem to be a word of common usage in the Anthony family, however, even in public.

[Mamie]

re: the meter man.


(Respectfully snipped)

He didn't give up. I love this dude! Wish he would join us here at IS.


I'm glad to hear you say that. At first, I didn't know what to think. I thought somehow he's involved (not with the Anthony's but with someone that Casey may have confided in and doesn't want to come forward), because most people just don't call that many times about the same area and the same bag. After seeing him on television and hearing his PC, I don't feel the same way I did at all. I don't think this guy has anything to hide here, involving this case. You can just see it in his mannerims. The one troubling thing I have is how come he didn't wait around or say he would wait around for the deputy to come in the first phone call. That could have made all the difference in the world. Obviously, there was no snake around then. JMO

[summer4meplz]

I couldn't believe the NY lawyer that said it's only a $50 fine for disposing of a body.....surely he lied....

[kitty1182]

I'll bet Kitty REALLY relates to this guy! re the bush!

I sure do!!!!!!! I would have kept going back too....

[nana6]

Sending a card through his attorney would make him fear for his life in what way? It was just a thought.

Hi Maimi, I htought it was great idea. Going through his attorney would be just fine I would think.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Sending a card through his attorney would make him fear for his life in what way? It was just a thought.

Maybe he thinks something will jump out at him from inside the card @@ Seriously it is a wonderful idea and a very sweet thought.

[agent99]

Sending a card through his attorney would make him fear for his life in what way? It was just a thought.

Sending a card to his house is a little creepy. Do whatever you want in terms of sending to his attorney, but keep in mind that this is an innocent bystander thrust into national spotlight and people are already picking him apart. Getting letters from strangers looking up your name and address is a bit unsettling no matter how well intentioned.

[nana6]

Sending a card to his house is a little creepy. Do whatever you want in terms of sending to his attorney, but keep in mind that this is an innocent bystander thrust into national spotlight and people are already picking him apart. Getting letters from strangers looking up your name and address is a bit unsettling no matter how well intentioned.

well, I say let's go with the sending to the attorney idea then. Surely that would be ok and then the meter guy ( I am sure he has a name I just don't know it) would not feel threatened that anyone knew where he lives etc.

[barskin&co.]

I am just thinking that by next week, after the defense really gets a grip on what it is that they found and realizes there is no other options than for her to plead this case, if Casey is not going to start to panic. i don't think it ever crossed her mind that she would not get away with this. She has lied for so long and gotten away with it that thought of finally having to face consequences (which obviously is not something she is used to) that we will get a confession of lies to make the world feel sorry for her.

Oh, I do so hope you are correct. I just think with the army enablers who have rushed to PPOFICA's side- the Nightmare Team, Geraldo doing PR, and so on - she has been all the more enboldened.

But so what if she confesses and loads up a statement with self-serving lies. Everybody knows she lies as easily as she breathes. And everyone has seen the pictures of her living it up just after she threw Caylee away like garbage. I don't see her winning any sympathy. I just want to here her say. "I did it."

[Danette44]

I couldn't believe the NY lawyer that said it's only a $50 fine for disposing of a body.....surely he lied....

He was so loud - and after following that case Laura Garza, and how that guy Michael was a sex offender and only on probation really bothered me knowing Casey could of gotten a fine if it happen in NY. I just can't believe Laws are that different state to state. moo

[nana6]

Casey already had the first panic attack when notified where the remains had been found. And the remains had not even been identified yet.

right Miami, How telling was that? The day they were at Blanchard park she didn't have a care in the world, but the minute they found remains here she panicked because she knew full well she was caught.imo

[nana6]

He was so loud - and after following that case Laura Garza, and how that guy Michael was a sex offender and only on probation really bothered me knowing Casey could of gotten a fine if it happen in NY. I just can't believe Laws are that different state to state. moo

I think I am confused now. Who is he? I thought the lawyer was that blonde woman, no?

[RainyNiteNTx]

right Miami, How telling was that? The day they were at Blanchard park she didn't have a care in the world, but the minute they found remains here she panicked because she knew full well she was caught.imo

Exactly! Quite a contrast in her reactions in the two "finds".

[Katt2]

I tried finding him in the whitepages just to send a Christmas card & thank you but he isn't listed. I would even take him out to dinner when I'm up there just to thank him and not even ask a single question about the situation!!!

I would think you could send him well wishes through his lawyer if you know his lawyer's name.

Sorry I didn't know this had been suggested.

[kitty1182]

Some of us still believe that bush should be dug up but for whatever reasons LE doesn't seem to buy into our theories! We have all laughed at kitty's strong will about this but I feel just as strongly.

Yep, I still say look under that bush...Who knows, maybe she WAS under that bush for a while...:wink:

[ilovemylife]

A panic attack from Casey because remains were found is very telling. IMO- This is from a mother who was able to go out and act as if everything was fine while her baby was missing for a month.

The panic attack should not have happened until after the remains were identified. However, she had a panic attack because she already knew it was Caylee and that her butt was going down...so to speak.

IMO

[trich]

I couldn't believe the NY lawyer that said it's only a $50 fine for disposing of a body.....surely he lied....

Don't they all.


I think he was trying to make a point that hiding a body was no big deal.....I don't know which is worse...but if some of these lawyers/talking heads think they are cute or clever IMO they are wrong and just sound like idiots.

[agent99]

As I said, he "wasn't" in the whitepages so there is no chance anyone will be sending them directly to his home or calling him. (which I would not have done). In retrospect, sending something to the home may not have been such a good idea. I didn't say letters, I said a Christmas card. I was just thinking out loud and probably shouldn't have posted my thoughts on this. Sorry.

No worries. :smile:

[SandyO]

[QUOTE=barskin&co.;12567138]Oh, I do so hope you are correct. I just think with the army enablers who have rushed to PPOFICA's side- the Nightmare Team, Geraldo doing PR, and so on - she has been all the more enboldened. (Snipped for space only)

QUOTE]

Barskin: How much do you think Casey is aware of since she is kept locked away alone for most of her day? I understand the television in the jail is looped programming, certainly not cable news, and it seems the only information she gets comes from Jose Baez. He has no doubt told her about the fantastic defense team he has organized, but she can't be getting the magnitude of it the way we are.

[kelleyb227]

Myfoxorlando is reporting on their website this morning that Anthony and her attorneys believe that Caylee was killed by her kidnappers. I hadn't read that until today? If they believe that and state that publicly, that will seriously help the case against Casey. Is this the first time it has been stated that JB believes that????

[nana6]

Do we know how long they will keep her in solitary - will this be for the duration until the trial? And has she had any contact with her parents- I still believe that one of the Anthonys is finally going to flip out on her.

as well they should!!! I asked this question the other day. Have any of you noticed that tape of C and L talking at the jail and Lee does not look at her while she is talking. I don't know if it is because he is writing something down that she is saying or because he can't stand to look her in the eye because he knows she is lying? This poor poor family and poor little angel Caylee. They will never be the same. It is so too bad there does not seem to be anyone there for them but the minister. No matter how they have acted, it is sad and I am sure terrible to be in that house jus the two of them or maybe even Lee and Mallory, to grieve without any friends to help them.

[Danette44]

I think I am confused now. Who is he? I thought the lawyer was that blonde woman, no?

It was the bald headed Attorney sitting on the panel also from NY..sorry to confuse you nana.

[barskin&co.]

I am just trying to think about the fact that she is facing prison for the rest of her life- that is enough to give me a panic attack and I have nothing to do with this. Also now that Caylee is deceased why is no one just coming right out and saying what the big secret was that she had to keep quiet about.

Because it's juts defense attorney crazy talk. If there actually was any good explanation, any real exonerating evidence, they'd come forward with it immediately. When they're "waiting to state their case in a court of law," that means, "we've got nothing, but we'll try to snow the jury when the time comes."

[agent99]

Myfoxorlando is reporting on their website this morning that Anthony and her attorneys believe that Caylee was killed by her kidnappers. I hadn't read that until today? If they believe that and state that publicly, that will seriously help the case against Casey. Is this the first time it has been stated that JB believes that????

What else are they going to say? They have to stick to that story. They can't change half way through.

[SandyO]

My guess it will be for the duration of the trial which is now tentatively scheduled for March. Hope she gets to spend her birthday behind bars.

There seems to be a lot of doubt about when this trial could begin, and speculation is that it could easily be a year or more away. It's fine with me as long as Casey is rotting in jail.

Happy Hanukkah all!

[agent99]

I wish the Anthony's some peace also in their grieving process. Yes, it is evident that Cindy did love Caylee very much, with all her heart. But you give her too much credit. Yes, she did report her grandchild missing. While she loved her granddaughter she and George walked around with blinders on when they weren't enabling her where it concerned Casey? And then the lies started, most by Cindy. I almost fell out of my chair when I watched the LKL show Cindy and George were on. Oh and that's another thing-----all the shows they were on and never once in the beginning searched for their beloved grandchild. JMO

They did search. They searched for a live Caylee which is what they wanted to believe.

[Adalena935]

Myfoxorlando is reporting on their website this morning that Anthony and her attorneys believe that Caylee was killed by her kidnappers. I hadn't read that until today? If they believe that and state that publicly, that will seriously help the case against Casey. Is this the first time it has been stated that JB believes that????

As far as I know that's the first time that's been said by her lawyer since the baby's body was found. I think it's been a foregone conclusion that would be their defense; somebody else didit. They're going to stick to her lies that the non-existent nanny took her and murdered her. Which has been investigated and disproven long ago.

[kelleyb227]

What else are they going to say? They have to stick to that story. They can't change half way through.

I hadn't actually read that they had stated that publicly. They stated she was missing with the "nanny" but not that "kidnappers" killed her. Not the Nanny but the kidnappers.

[martha]

Myfoxorlando is reporting on their website this morning that Anthony and her attorneys believe that Caylee was killed by her kidnappers. I hadn't read that until today? If they believe that and state that publicly, that will seriously help the case against Casey. Is this the first time it has been stated that JB believes that????
I just knew this is what they were going to say. Does anyone think this will fly in court? jb has to come up with something to defend casey and I was sure he would say this.jmhl

[SandyO]

Myfoxorlando is reporting on their website this morning that Anthony and her attorneys believe that Caylee was killed by her kidnappers. I hadn't read that until today? If they believe that and state that publicly, that will seriously help the case against Casey. Is this the first time it has been stated that JB believes that????

Well, there it is. THAT is exactly what I was afraid of, but actually expected. You reading this, Regina?

[barskin&co.]

There seems to be a lot of doubt about when this trial could begin, and speculation is that it could easily be a year or more away. It's fine with me as long as Casey is rotting in jail.

Happy Hanukkah all!

And Gut Yontif, Sandy!!

I agree. This trial is not going to be for a long time.

[Regina.Lampert]

A panic attack from Casey because remains were found is very telling. IMO- This is from a mother who was able to go out and act as if everything was fine while her baby was missing for a month.

The panic attack should not have happened until after the remains were identified. However, she had a panic attack because she already knew it was Caylee and that her butt was going down...so to speak.

IMO


An excellent point and one the desperate defense will challenge in court, saying the jail personnel got the reaction of her wrong or she was "grieving" the possibility it was Caylee. You know, more unbelievable BS. :mad:

[kitty1182]

I believe the prints from the tape and bag will Casey Anthony's..
No nanny prints..

[summer4meplz]

Myfoxorlando is reporting on their website this morning that Anthony and her attorneys believe that Caylee was killed by her kidnappers. I hadn't read that until today? If they believe that and state that publicly, that will seriously help the case against Casey. Is this the first time it has been stated that JB believes that????


if that is true...all my sympathy for the anthonys goes right back out the window....

[ilovemylife]

Well, it doesn't surprise me if that is going to be the defense, the kidnappers did it. Of course Casey will stick to that and Jose will go along with it.

However, I do think the Anthonys know, deep down. However, if they can save their daughter and say a kidnapper did it, I'm sure they will go that route.

JMO

[barskin&co.]

I believe the prints from the tape and bag will Casey Anthony's..
No nanny prints..

Yeah, it's pretty hard for a non-existant person to have fingerprints, isn't it?

[kitty1182]

if that is true...all my sympathy for the anthonys goes right back out the window....

I am so hoping they didn't say that....

[kitty1182]

Yeah, it's pretty hard for a non-existant person to have fingerprints, isn't it?

Yep:tongueside:

[nana6]

Myfoxorlando is reporting on their website this morning that Anthony and her attorneys believe that Caylee was killed by her kidnappers. I hadn't read that until today? If they believe that and state that publicly, that will seriously help the case against Casey. Is this the first time it has been stated that JB believes that????

If I did not know ONE thing about this case, and heard that Casey thought her daughter was kidnapped, I would surely wonder why in the world she waited 31 days to report it and went out partying. I believe her behavior was very telling in those days AND the fact that she would do nothing to help LE but rather would lie to them. They can spin it all they want but jurors are not idiots.

[kelleyb227]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8115453&version=5&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Scroll to bottom of article. States that Anthony and attorneys believe Caylee was killed by her kidnappers.

[playnice]

Well, it doesn't surprise me if that is going to be the defense, the kidnappers did it. Of course Casey will stick to that and Jose will go along with it.

However, I do think the Anthonys know, deep down. However, if they can save their daughter and say a kidnapper did it, I'm sure they will go that route.

JMO

I think they said that so much they are locked into the nanny story. I think that story will also guarantee her a conviction.

[*MoonRider*]

They did search. They searched for a live Caylee which is what they wanted to believe.

I must be missing something. Where did they search? Studios in NY & LA or perhaps the Kid Finders tent asking for donations. Please enlighten me where they were searching. TIA

[ilovemylife]

I think they said that so much they are locked into the nanny story. I think that story will also guarantee her a conviction.

AMEN to that!!

[Mamie]

as well they should!!! I asked this question the other day. Have any of you noticed that tape of C and L talking at the jail and Lee does not look at her while she is talking. I don't know if it is because he is writing something down that she is saying or because he can't stand to look her in the eye because he knows she is lying? This poor poor family and poor little angel Caylee. They will never be the same. It is so too bad there does not seem to be anyone there for them but the minister. No matter how they have acted, it is sad and I am sure terrible to be in that house jus the two of them or maybe even Lee and Mallory, to grieve without any friends to help them.


There is a tape of Lee and Casey at the jail where he is looking down but it is because he is writing down what Casey is dictating to him. Atleast I think that's the one you're talking about. JMO

[barskin&co.]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8115453&version=5&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Scroll to bottom of article. States that Anthony and attorneys believe Caylee was killed by her kidnappers.

Yes, Anthony, not the Anthonys.

[kitty1182]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8115453&version=5&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Scroll to bottom of article. States that Anthony and attorneys believe Caylee was killed by her kidnappers.

Maybe it means Anthony (Casey) and her lawyers..That's what I get from it..

[nana6]

It was the bald headed Attorney sitting on the panel also from NY..sorry to confuse you nana.

That's ok, thank you for settleling this for me. They can be as cocky as they want, but the judge is going to run that courtroom not them.

[kelleyb227]

Yes, Anthony, not the Anthonys.

I thought my original post had Anthony (meaning Casey) not Anthonys as the entire family. Sorry for the confusion.