Sunday - Dec 21/08 - Morning Part 1

[AutisticsRoc]

I do see your point but to remove it will be an act of finality in facing that Caylee will never return. They maybe just can't take that step at the moment.


I agree. The loss of a child ...well, in my case, I was just 'paralyzed' for a long time.
I left my daughter's room exactly as it was for many many months. Never shut the door, never made the bed, never did anything to the room.

[trich]

Myfoxorlando is reporting on their website this morning that Anthony and her attorneys believe that Caylee was killed by her kidnappers. I hadn't read that until today? If they believe that and state that publicly, that will seriously help the case against Casey. Is this the first time it has been stated that JB believes that????

Why would you think anyone would believe anything they say now?
Kidnappers my foot....
I don't think anything they say now would be believed or even help the defense.
The nanny was suppose to have taken Caylee.....the whole world knows there is no nanny.

[Katt2]

Maybe it means Anthony (Casey) and her lawyers..That's what I get from it..

That's what I get also, dolly. They mean Casey and not the family. Not saying it won't at some time say family but this particular article refers to Casey.

[Regina.Lampert]

Well, there it is. THAT is exactly what I was afraid of, but actually expected. You reading this, Regina?

Yes, I am reading but I do not see any statements from Cynthia and George going with the ridiculous theory that the kidnappers killed Caylee. Until I do I am not eating any crow, tho I do have it defrosting......... :seeya:

[kitty1182]

That's what I get also, dolly. They mean Casey and not the family. Not saying it won't at some time say family but this particular article refers to Casey.

IMO Baez know good and well there is no nanny too..

[Katt2]

Yes, I am reading but I do not see any statements from Cynthia and George going with the ridiculous theory that the kidnappers killed Caylee. Until I do I am not eating any crow, tho I do have it defrosting......... :seeya:

Mine is defrosting also but in reverse to you. I will have to find a lot of ways to serve crow if it comes out that the Anthony's knew that Caylee was gone and tried to save Casey anyway.

[barskin&co.]

When Cindy made the 911 call she said her dtr (Casey) told her Caylee had been kidnapped by the nanny.

That's her story & she's stickin' to it.

Of course. first it was she left Caylee at the Sawgrass apartments and came back later to find everyone gone, then it was being knocked down in Blanchard park, and now, it's the car driving away in the Sawgrass apartments parking lot.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I wish the Anthony's some peace also in their grieving process. Yes, it is evident that Cindy did love Caylee very much, with all her heart. But you give her too much credit. Yes, she did report her grandchild missing. While she loved her granddaughter she and George walked around with blinders on when they weren't enabling her where it concerned Casey? And then the lies started, most by Cindy. I almost fell out of my chair when I watched the LKL show Cindy and George were on. Oh and that's another thing-----all the shows they were on and never once in the beginning searched for their beloved grandchild. JMO

I agree about giving her too much credit. Cindy washed the clothes Casey had on, she gave LE the wrong hairbrush, she made up the pizza in the trunk story, so how do these actions add up to denial? People keep saying they were in denial, but these were deliberate actions to help Casey which in turn hurt Caylee. IMO

[nana6]

How will they explain her unconcern over the JBP dive then?

AND I would like to know just how the defense will explain her saying they haven't even found her clothes yet?

[agent99]

They did??? Where??? Please tell me where they searched because I think I missed that. TIA

Are you joking? You definitely did miss that. The tips and images of the little girl in the Orlando area who resembled Caylee. Those images were all over the media. They flew to California to meet with a lawyer and his girlfriend who gave sworn statements saying they saw Caylee and a Newport Beach restaurant. If I'm not mistaken, Cindy even went to Puerto Rico. All these sightings were obviously false, but they fed Anthony hope. They were looking for hope and people happily fed it with false sightings.

[trich]

Yes, I am reading but I do not see any statements from Cynthia and George going with the ridiculous theory that the kidnappers killed Caylee. Until I do I am not eating any crow, tho I do have it defrosting......... :seeya:




The sentence says nothing about Cindy and George saying they believe that theory.
But IMO it would not matter if they did.....they lie so much...as I said before
why would anyone believe them or the kidnappers story?

[barskin&co.]

If she is still sticking to her story- I am jsut wondering how it is that she and the defense get around the computer searches? I mean is the fact that it was a home computer, accessible by others, enough to cause reasonable doubt?

First of all, they can tell the time of day the searches took place (like when G & C were at work), and secondly, there is way too much more evidence.

[marinewife5]

Yes, I am reading but I do not see any statements from Cynthia and George going with the ridiculous theory that the kidnappers killed Caylee. Until I do I am not eating any crow, tho I do have it defrosting......... :seeya:
I'm with you on giving them the benefit of the doubt at this time...but fwiw...i like my crow roasted with a little rosemary and garlic.

jmo

[SandyO]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8115453&version=5&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Scroll to bottom of article. States that Anthony and attorneys believe Caylee was killed by her kidnappers.

Ooooppppppps! Hold on a minute here! I thought we were saying that CINDY Anthony is still holding on to that story. Sorry, Cindy!

[agent99]

I agree about giving her too much credit. Cindy washed the clothes Casey had on, she gave LE the wrong hairbrush, she made up the pizza in the trunk story, so how do these actions add up to denial? People keep saying they were in denial, but these were deliberate actions to help Casey which in turn hurt Caylee. IMO

She didn't make up the pizza story, she wanted to believe the pizza could make that smell. As far as the clothes, there's a reasonable explanation about that. If there's a reasonable explanation, it's reasonable doubt and I'm not going to judge this family who are literally in the bowels of grief.

[Regina.Lampert]

Mine is defrosting also but in reverse to you. I will have to find a lot of ways to serve crow if it comes out that the Anthony's knew that Caylee was gone and tried to save Casey anyway.

No worries beesister, I have lots of sauce and will share. But, I don't think it's ever gonna come to that because imo Cynthia and George did not know conclusively until her remains were identified.

You cannot crucify them for being in denial and holding out the barest shread of hope.

Now that the hope is gone, what they do next will define them, imo.

[joint-heir]

No church services this morning, we are covered with ice. We are lucky tho to hear our minister on the local radio...
You know about the only thing I know Baez could do would be to go out there and find Zanny the Nanny! They've talked and talked, now let's see them find her!!!
I am with those shocked at language people use today! I believe adult language should be pleasant to the ears of everyone!
Morning or afternoon to everyone. At least we know that Caylee's remains are safe and respected now. Christmas time is such an awful time to be remembered by those who love her in this way. But as so many of you state, she is in the arms of Jesus now and oh how happy she must be!! Thank you Lord for the gift of her having been found!

[kelleyb227]

If JB and the dream team and Casey are actually saying (as it says in the article) that they believe Caylee was killed by her kidnappers and stating it publicly....There goes the "accidentally killed" defense. There goes the implication of the gp's by Casey, there goes a lot of ridiculous avenues. I would think it would be VERy hard to backtrack from that statement as a defense attorney. JMO

[nana6]

If she is still sticking to her story- I am jsut wondering how it is that she and the defense get around the computer searches? I mean is the fact that it was a home computer, accessible by others, enough to cause reasonable doubt?

Oh Lomar, Don't you know they are going to say that Zanny had a key to the house and came in and did those computer searches herself!!!!!!!!!!!! IMO

[Regina.Lampert]

I'm with you on giving them the benefit of the doubt at this time...but fwiw...i like my crow roasted with a little rosemary and garlic.

jmo

Noted, Marine! Lots of good people gonna be sitting at our crow table. :biggrin:

[Mimi428]

A panic attack from Casey because remains were found is very telling. IMO- This is from a mother who was able to go out and act as if everything was fine while her baby was missing for a month.

The panic attack should not have happened until after the remains were identified. However, she had a panic attack because she already knew it was Caylee and that her butt was going down...so to speak.

IMO

Was the so-called "panic attack" ever confirmed by anyone OTHER than someone representing Casey? I haven't been here every day, but the last I recall that info was given by her defense attorney. A man who has shown himself to be very willing to spin a tale, any tale.

I have several problems with his assertion that she was so distraught that she had to be sedated, simply because I do NOT believe the jail in in the habit of handing out sedating, tranquilizing sorts of drugs at the request of inmates. If THAT were true, the rest of the inmates would all be clamoring for drugs, day in & day out.

To me, the 'had to be sedated because of the trauma' story is just one more of Baez's conveniently concocted tales. It's his JOB to make his client appear to be human, frail, in afragile mental & emotional state, a grieving mother, a frightened 'girl'. Yeah. Right. Ain't buyin' it.

I can believe Casey wasn't a bit happy when the news came in that the body had been discovered. I can also believe that she would attempt to get drugs while locked up, by claiming any one of a number of maladies. But that doesn't mean the jail personnel would hand out sedatives or tranquilizers. The very reality of being locked up would be enough to give a whole lot of folks a genuine panic attack - & they sure aren't being sedated or tranquilized on request.

JMO

[kitty1182]

They would be invisible that's for sure........and Jethro will whine about that.......unfair!

He will just say she wore gloves....:o

[CuriousJo]

Casey self-proclaimed her guilt when she had the anxiety attack following the announcement that a bag of bones had been found close by her home. The body had not been identified. So why did she require sedation? Obviously, she KNEW it was Caylee and she was busted. She did not have a panic attack when the news announced a suspicous find by the river about a month or so ago. Thats because she knew it was not Caylee.

Other clues- she is on video telling her parents that her gut instinct was that Caylee was in a "safe" place, ...."close by". And it looks like she was --- hidden at her childhood hang out where she had buried her hampser and only 15 houses away from her parents home. What mother would say such a thing when her child is "kidnapped" and missing for over a month? Most would be fearful that the child had been molested, killed and gone forever. Most would be providing the police with any information they needed---not having them drive all over town with false leads. And why didn't the Anthony family ever go on TV asking for the "kidnapper" to return the child? Casey and her family behavior is very telling. It is time for George, Cindy and Lee to accept the truth and tell Casey to confess. I just don't know if her nutty lawyer will let her.

[Regina.Lampert]

Ooooppppppps! Hold on a minute here! I thought we were saying that CINDY Anthony is still holding on to that story. Sorry, Cindy!

Ahem....cough, cough......... :cool:

[barskin&co.]

She had to come up with the JBP story after LE caught her in her lies about working at Universal. She told them she dropped Caylee off there that day to go to work at US.

Of course, without a job, it's hard to explain the need for child care servives at all.

[AbbyNormal]

This statement keeps gnawing at me....

"When you actually see what's in there & think about it, I mean, knowing now, I still believe that Caylee's body...And I find it very hard to believe that Casey had an opportunity to put Caylee in there for a short period of time to get the car stench that bad and take her somewhere else."

#1 CA knows Caylee is dead.

#2 CA knows KC moved the body post mortem

#3 CA knows the body was in the trunk "a short period of time"

#4 CA knows Caylee died at Hopespring drive

jmo

[kitty1182]

well Jethro is going to have to tell me if the duct tape that was used on Caylee is the same duct tape that Casey's friend said Casey took from her and never returned.

He will probally say nanny took the tape from CA while she was on the ground..

[Mamie]

They followed up on tips of sightings.


Following up on tips is not the same as searching. And they almost wanted their BM's to be newsworthy and the only one we heard about them following up on (actually) was the one in California and that was only because they had to be there for the taping of the LKL show. The little girl whose profile was plastered all over the news they didn't get authority to dig into that further. So yes, they followed up on that tip and the one in California. Following up on other tips could mean they read the paper message that was handed to them and maybe made a phone call back. I think I heard them say there was a sighting in TN and another in GA but I never heard that they went there------which would be searching. JMO

[norwood]

If she is still sticking to her story- I am jsut wondering how it is that she and the defense get around the computer searches? I mean is the fact that it was a home computer, accessible by others, enough to cause reasonable doubt?

On the computer searches you are going to have to come up with a reason for anyone in the home searching for those kinds of things. I am sure all of us that do searches related to the cases discuss have odd searches but we do not have a family memeber turn up dead/ murdered either.

Can't explain those searches away.

[trich]

When Cindy made the 911 call she said her dtr (Casey) told her Caylee had been kidnapped by the nanny.

That's her story & she's stickin' to it.


When cindy made the first 911 call she said she just found her daughter and the car smells like a dead body was in it and her grandaughter is missing.

[nana6]

The defense also declined to go to the crime scene, I believe yesterday. Why would that not want to go now?

Lomar, I heard last week from someone on tv, a prosecution expert I think, that they never really wanted to go to the scene they just wanted to complain so that later they could say in the trial that they were denied the opportunity to go until the LE had gone there and messed up the whole area.

[SandyO]

She had to come up with the JBP story after LE caught her in her lies about working at Universal. She told them she dropped Caylee off there that day to go to work at US.

I would think that by now LE has had to give up on anything Casey might have told them ---- it's 99% bunk. They will have to discover other avenues to determine what really did happen and when, and where.

[Cury-us Coyote]

That word just makes me cringe. It is so offensive and when it is used it makes the person saying it look like they cant make one statement without throwing it out there. Don't people have more vocabulary abilities than this? Surely they do.

I have never said that word and I am so glad that none of our five children have ever uttered that word in front of us. They also find it highly offensive, just like the G-D word that is also repulsive but often used.

imo

IIRC, Caylee's maternal grandmother uttered a variation of that word during a national TV interview regarding her missing granddaughter.
jmo

[Lavenia]

When Nancy aired the report by Dr. G and had the other ME define it for us- when he pointed out that Dr. G stated 'anti mortem" trauma meaning there still could have been pre-death trauma only told me that the prosecution has something big. The almost smirks on their faces at times spoke volumes. She knew what the public wanted to hear but knew that we were all just going to have to wait a bit. What we want to know is there- just no one can tell us yet.

Good morning Lomar! :seeya: Antemortem means "preceding death".
If there was no ante-mortem trauma, any trauma that was present, occurred after death.

[SandyO]

I think Cindy knows a lot more than she being truthful about. If CA means Cindy Anthony.

Who is KC? I've seen so many initials and I have no idea who those initials represent.

Took me a while, too. Say "KC" out loud to yourself.

[september]

Are you joking? You definitely did miss that. The tips and images of the little girl in the Orlando area who resembled Caylee. Those images were all over the media. They flew to California to meet with a lawyer and his girlfriend who gave sworn statements saying they saw Caylee and a Newport Beach restaurant. If I'm not mistaken, Cindy even went to Puerto Rico. All these sightings were obviously false, but they fed Anthony hope. They were looking for hope and people happily fed it with false sightings.

Sorry they went to California because LKL was paying for it......the tip was months old. They never went to PR but sure encouraged the rest of us to make the trip.

[barskin&co.]

Have you forgotten that Cindy is on video tape stating that her husband is a former LE and they he knows the smell of a decomposing body and that she as a nurse also knows that smell? I don't have the link but I remember her seeing her say it.

Well, George, himself, told the FBI that he knew the smell, and once you smell it, you never forget it. And he smelled it in the car.

[AbbyNormal]

I think Cindy knows a lot more than she being truthful about. If CA means Cindy Anthony.

Who is KC? I've seen so many initials and I have no idea who those initials represent.Yes, CA is Cindy, and KC = Casey

[september]

The defense also declined to go to the crime scene, I believe yesterday. Why would that not want to go now?

Because there was nothing left for Henry to remove.

[MiamiNice1]

The defense also declined to go to the crime scene, I believe yesterday. Why would that not want to go now?
Yeah, I don't get that. Could it be because there is nothing left after the police have gone through it with a fine tooth comb?

Or was it a power play by the defense to obstruct or set a precedent?

imo

[impartial]

I believe the prints from the tape and bag will Casey Anthony's..
No nanny prints..

I'm not so sure ... they asked for George and Cindy's prints after they found the bag/remains. They have Casey's prints, and would have known right away if they were hers. Why did they ask for C & G's? Did the prints not match Casey's?

IMO

[kitty1182]

because there was nothing left for henry to remove.

lol................

[september]

He will just say she wore gloves....:o

Oh Kitty that was a good one ....... that is exactly what he will say.

[kitty1182]

I'm not so sure ... they asked for George and Cindy's prints after they found the bag/remains. They have Casey's prints, and would have known right away if they were hers. Why did they ask for C & G's? Did the prints not match Casey's?

IMO

Don't think they have said anything about the prints yet..Maybe that will be saved for court....
I was just saying they won't find any "nanny" prints because she is not real...:laugh:

[kitty1182]

Oh Kitty that was a good one ....... that is exactly what he will say.

And they were stolen from the A's home...:biggrin:

[Cury-us Coyote]

First of all, they can tell the time of day the searches took place (like when G & C were at work), and secondly, there is way too much more evidence.

GA at work? IIRC document drop confirmed the March computer searches occurred during one of the many periods of GA's unemployment.
jmo

[nana6]

so sad....I wonder who her next victims were supposed to be?....It seems like she went to a lot of trouble with her searches.....She was planning to kill an adult...!!!.....That is just what I think...

She (casey) told her friend that she was soon going to have her parents house to herself!!!!!!!!!!!!AND that her froend could move in with her. Now, this is the same person whom she stole money from.!!!!!!!!

[Mamie]

(Respectfully snipped)

I have several problems with his assertion that she was so distraught that she had to be sedated, simply because I do NOT believe the jail in in the habit of handing out sedating, tranquilizing sorts of drugs at the request of inmates. If THAT were true, the rest of the inmates would all be clamoring for drugs, day in & day out.
(Respectfully snipped)

JMO

Great post! Excellent point about the rest of the inmates-----hadn't thought about that in that way but yeah, the jail would be in the drug business not to mention the fact that they'd have to be sure that the drug they were dispensing the person isn't allergic to. Tylenol maybe, aspirin maybe, but anything stronger..........

JMO

[nana6]

Have you forgotten that Cindy is on video tape stating that her husband is a former LE and they he knows the smell of a decomposing body and that she as a nurse also knows that smell? I don't have the link but I remember her seeing her say it.

right Miami AND that Cindy gave LE the wrong hairbrush didn't she???

[kitty1182]

On Geraldo they said something about the investigators were searching in the Anthony's medicine cabinet.

MHO

Maybe they found a bottle in the woods that had one of their names on it...I hadn't heard that....Maybe Casey stole some pills and they were looking to see if there was a new script for them....

ETA..What if they found a bottle that had Caylee's name on it? Wonder if she was taking any medication..

[CuriousJo]

Talking about dead bodies--- I would like to know the truth about Caylees father - name, story, cause of death. I hate to even say this, but if her had any money and had Caylee in a will, then I wouldn't put it past Casey to have done away with him. However, Cindy was interviewed by GVS and made it sound like he was never in the picture. She said he "started a family" soon after Caylee was born... whatever that means. Caseys best friend form childhood- Kiomarie -said he was some tall, quiet guy who died in a car accident.

[nana6]

Because there was nothing left for Henry to remove.

AND because imo and others too they wanted to complain that LE left a mess there. We were told last week that they really never go to a site before LE has cleared it they just wanted to complain later at trial they they were left with a mess. It won't work.

[RJ1]

Why did they ask for C & G's? IMO

~quote snipped~

For exclusionary purposes, if nothing else. They don't want the defense to be able to say that LE focused only on Casey.

[impartial]

On the news last night- a fight almost broke out over the fact that the Anthonys wanted to give the stuffed animals and such that have been left at the Memorial to homeless and unfortunate children in the Orlando area. The people on site were outraged- i had very mixed emotions about that.


Oh my, the stuffed animals would help better the lives of unfortunate children. Why would anyone be outraged at donating them.

IMO

[*MoonRider*]

wow.......lots of mistakes in this post

1. the A's flew to Cali because they were doing LKL, then they said the day before there was a Caylee sighting. and then said they were going there for that.

2. Cindy NEVER went to Puerto Rico, she did go on a spanish tv channel so she could get the word out about Caylee.

The A's never went to NYC where they thought the nanny lived, they never went to Tx,GA, or any other state they thought Caylee was.....

They never even went door to door looking for Caylee like they first said they would.

Raising hand. They did go to NYC all expenses paid for Today Show interview and their former spokesperson pocketed the $6500. JMO

[september]

And they were stolen from the A's home...:biggrin:

LOL .....You are on a roll. Please everyone I have to laugh so as not to cry. I mean no disrespect to Caylee.

[impartial]

~quote snipped~

For exclusionary purposes, if nothing else. They don't want the defense to be able to say that LE focused only on Casey.

They wouldn't need them for exclusionary purposes if the prints matched Casey's ... that's exclusionary enough.

IMO

[nana6]

I'm not so sure ... they asked for George and Cindy's prints after they found the bag/remains. They have Casey's prints, and would have known right away if they were hers. Why did they ask for C & G's? Did the prints not match Casey's?

IMO

maybe they wanted to know if either G or C helped her with the bag???

[kitty1182]

LOL .....You are on a roll. Please everyone I have to laugh so as not to cry. I mean no disrespect to Caylee.

You do have to admit, JB doesn't have much to work with..lol

[RJ1]

On the news last night- a fight almost broke out over the fact that the Anthonys wanted to give the stuffed animals and such that have been left at the Memorial to homeless and unfortunate children in the Orlando area. The people on site were outraged- i had very mixed emotions about that.

I think it would be wonderful if they asked that the stuffed animals be given to a children's hospital or charity in Caylee's name.

[anyonesguess]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fallen-Angel
that was one smart kidnapper.............planted evidence in the car and at the anthony house........Yep ZFG is one smart lady if you ask me .

Yep, she even thought ahead of time to get a key to the house, take an extra car key out of Casey's pocket and then make herself invisible!


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Not to mention she had Casey bringing Caylee to an apt to drop her off at a place that had not been occupied in months and ZFG was able to cover that up!

ZFG even thought about what would happen if she was found, so she filled out a card like she wanted to rent a place at Sawgrass. Yep ZFG is one smart cookie.

OH and don't forget, to set Casey up, while in the house with that Key she did internet searches on the computer!

She also has a magic phone that when you call someone it doesn't show up as a call ever being made.

DANG she is smart that ZFG.

[Mimi428]

Great post! Excellent point about the rest of the inmates-----hadn't thought about that in that way but yeah, the jail would be in the drug business not to mention the fact that they'd have to be sure that the drug they were dispensing the person isn't allergic to. Tylenol maybe, aspirin maybe, but anything stronger..........

JMO

I have a former son-in-law who works in corrections. Granted, he does not work at the same place where Casey is locked up. I would be willing to bet a significant amount of money that in our county jail, the chances that you could request - and GET - enough meds to put you into a state where you could be called "heavily sedated" would be about equal to the chances that you could order a dinner of steak & shrimp.

So many, MANY people are arrested BECAUSE of drug issues. Can you imagine how many of them are - or would be - begging for drugs of every sort?

Diabetics, people on heart & blood pressure meds & stuff like that are lucky if they get them every day, on time, in the dosage they need. The jail is NOT in the business of handing out la-la drugs, so locked-up folks will 'feel better' & not suffer from emotional distress.

[SwFlorida]

On the news last night- a fight almost broke out over the fact that the Anthonys wanted to give the stuffed animals and such that have been left at the Memorial to homeless and unfortunate children in the Orlando area. The people on site were outraged- i had very mixed emotions about that.

Could this mean the A's are ready to move on?

[RJ1]

They wouldn't need them for exclusionary purposes if the prints matched Casey's ... that's exclusionary enough.

IMO

That's assuming that the only fingerprints on any evidence is Casey's. If there are other fingerprints (too), the prosecution would be excoriated for not having checked them against the other Anthonys.

[Mamie]

She didn't make up the pizza story, she wanted to believe the pizza could make that smell. As far as the clothes, there's a reasonable explanation about that. If there's a reasonable explanation, it's reasonable doubt and I'm not going to judge this family who are literally in the bowels of grief.

There was no pizza---just the box. Cindy said that the pizza made that smell because "You know how hot it's been!" What reasonable explanation did she have for washing the clothes? She is not stupid and she already stated that the car smelled like there was a dead body in there (close to her words). The clothes came out of the car, why would she wash them? She would wash them to try and make no blame fall on her daughter. (This to me is a more reasonable explanation for washing the clothes.) JMO

[summer4meplz]

Are you joking? You definitely did miss that. The tips and images of the little girl in the Orlando area who resembled Caylee. Those images were all over the media. They flew to California to meet with a lawyer and his girlfriend who gave sworn statements saying they saw Caylee and a Newport Beach restaurant. If I'm not mistaken, Cindy even went to Puerto Rico. All these sightings were obviously false, but they fed Anthony hope. They were looking for hope and people happily fed it with false sightings.


they flew to california to be on larry king live....cindy never went to puerto rico.....iirc

[anyonesguess]

Is it really true what I read on the boards the other day that Lee obtained a criminal lawyer the day Dr G announced that the remains were Caylee's.?


Also didn't at one time GA get so upset he went for a walk in the direction that would have lead to the woods where Caylee was?

Makes me wonder how many times he has walked right by that site where Caylee was.

[summer4meplz]

No worries beesister, I have lots of sauce and will share. But, I don't think it's ever gonna come to that because imo Cynthia and George did not know conclusively until her remains were identified.

You cannot crucify them for being in denial and holding out the barest shread of hope.

Now that the hope is gone, what they do next will define them, imo.


yep...and we still don't know what that is....

[DeeN]

Are you joking? You definitely did miss that. The tips and images of the little girl in the Orlando area who resembled Caylee. Those images were all over the media. They flew to California to meet with a lawyer and his girlfriend who gave sworn statements saying they saw Caylee and a Newport Beach restaurant. If I'm not mistaken, Cindy even went to Puerto Rico. All these sightings were obviously false, but they fed Anthony hope. They were looking for hope and people happily fed it with false sightings.

:rolleyes:

Are you joking? LOL, they went to California to appear on the Larry King Live Show. Also, you are indeed mistaken and Cindy did not go to Puerto Rico.

[summer4meplz]

On the news last night- a fight almost broke out over the fact that the Anthonys wanted to give the stuffed animals and such that have been left at the Memorial to homeless and unfortunate children in the Orlando area. The people on site were outraged- i had very mixed emotions about that.


that's a new story I hadn't heard.....interesting...

[marshmallow]

As I said, he "wasn't" in the whitepages so there is no chance anyone will be sending them directly to his home or calling him. (which I would not have done). In retrospect, sending something to the home may not have been such a good idea. I didn't say letters, I said a Christmas card. I was just thinking out loud and probably shouldn't have posted my thoughts on this. Sorry.


I think your idea shows that you're a kindhearted person and the idea itself was very sweet of you. Please don't ever think you shouldn't post your thoughts, they're what make you you.

[CuriousJo]

Someone just posted about GA getting upset about Lee taking a walk towards the direction where body was hidden..... not sure how that would ever come out, but maybe...

If that is true, then it is suggestive that the family knew where body was hidden.

I did see one jail video where GA asks Casey if Caylee was safe? That stood out as an odd questin to me. Why would a father ask his daughter if the kidnapped grand daughter was safe? Of course, the child is not safe,..she was "kidnapped". Was he really asking, ...if the body "safe" where it was hidden? Casey went on to say that she would let him know if she thought that things changed, and she wasn't safe.... is that code for body hidden now, but will let you know if people are getting too close and need to move body? Maybe Lee did help her out. Why all the texts/calls around July 4th(or was it the 5th) between Casey, Lee and sister-on-law at 1AM?

[Remy]

After watching the Gale St John video and listening to the jail house tapes, I cannot believe so many people use the "f" word so freely! I never heard it out of my parents mouths and never used it when I was in their home. In fact I rarely use it now and I have to be really upset if I do. Am I the only one?

Hi Miami, you're not the only one! I'm 41 and use it when no other word will do (usually in my car) but I never heard my parents say it. I actually remember my mom using it twice and since I remember both incidents it was sparingly used and yes, she was very mad at all 4 of us kids.

Has Gale ever stated what training her dogs have had for search, cadaver that you know?

[trich]

After everything that she has wiggled her way around- do we really think that she left fingerprints- honestly (imo) I think that the only prints on that tape are going to be Amy's - . I hope that someone is watching out for Amy as well. At least giving herself a heads up on this pount. KC is definitely this devious.

I don't know about any fingerprints but IMO Casey never ever thought Caylee's remains would be found.
I don't think she is clever at all I think she has been proven a liar and soon a murder.

[marshmallow]

Are you joking? You definitely did miss that. The tips and images of the little girl in the Orlando area who resembled Caylee. Those images were all over the media. They flew to California to meet with a lawyer and his girlfriend who gave sworn statements saying they saw Caylee and a Newport Beach restaurant. If I'm not mistaken, Cindy even went to Puerto Rico. All these sightings were obviously false, but they fed Anthony hope. They were looking for hope and people happily fed it with false sightings.

they took many trips to news stations and tv sets too.

[Mamie]

Oh wow!!....I thought she was planning something besides Caylee's murder! She actually opened her mouth ans told someone! add that to the neck breaking and chloroform searches and she couldn't have only been preparing for caylee's sad demise...

well, I wonder how she was going to explain that to Lee?...her brother?....and her grandparents.....'Mom and Dad just left me here with the house"...???

Was she planning a mass murder? Unbelievable!


No, no------no mass murder------well, that we know of. Casey supposedly was going to take over the house because Cindy and George were going to divorce (they were separated at one time) and Cindy wouldn't be able to make the mortgage on her own. Cindy was going to move into a condo or something but then she and George didn't divorce afterall.

(Maybe that was enough to make her want to get back at her mother for not divorcing so she took Caylee out of the picture because she wasn't going to get the house-----this part is just my supposition, no one involved said it.)

JMO

[RJ1]

Oh I so agree. If their prints are at the body crime scene they are guilty of horrible wrongdoing.

~quote snipped~

Not necessarily. If the duct tape was Amy's, her fingerprints could be on it. If anybody handled Caylee's book (assuming that it was at the scene), their prints could be there.

I'd be in big trouble since I always put a handful of trash bags in the bottom of trash can, so if somebody used them to get rid of evidence in a crime, my prints could be all over them.

I guess we'll just have to wait for the actual evidence.

[Magnum357]

Oh I so agree. If their prints are at the body crime scene they are guilty of horrible wrongdoing. I said from the beginning that it wouldn't surprise me to learn the grandparents helped hide the body. The lies and conflicting statements and their craziness was just so over the top and suspicious to me. And that was an awful thing to think.

I think there's plenty of forensic evidence with the body. That's why I don't understand why Geraldo made the statement that the Prosecution had a better case before they found the body. Plus, with no body, the Defense and the Anthonys could keep claiming that Caylee is still alive.

[Pruddennce]

wow.......lots of mistakes in this post

1. the A's flew to Cali because they were doing LKL, then they said the day before there was a Caylee sighting. and then said they were going there for that.
2. Cindy NEVER went to Puerto Rico, she did go on a spanish tv channel so she could get the word out about Caylee.

The A's never went to NYC where they thought the nanny lived, they never went to Tx,GA, or any other state they thought Caylee was.....

They never even went door to door looking for Caylee like they first said they would.

right. California, a sighting and a talk show. however, they left the Florida area where they were still 'hoping' the mall child was Caylee.

go figure.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Lynden1000]

I'm surprised you think Amy's prints might be at the body crime scene. Did you read her interview with law enforcement? All Casey's acquaintances have been totally cooperative with LE. I don't suspect any of them. I think Amy was out of the country then. Amy filed a lawsuit against the habitual thief Casey for the money she stole from her while she was gone.



I think the poster is suggesting that Casey stole the duct tape from Amy, and that Amy's fingerprints will therefore be on the tape. That way Casey's defence team could point a finger at Amy. In other words, amy had nothing to do with it, but Casey stole the duct tape for the purpose of making it look like Amy did have something to do with it.

[Remy]

KJT - Excellent post! Your theory is very possible, especially as you noted casey anthony is isoloated from anyone's advice but baez's and I agree, his first priority is his fame from this case and not what's in his client's best interest, imo.

casey anthony's best interest was to have told LE where Caylee was months ago, said it was an accident and that she panicked. Then thrown herself on the mercy of the court. That ship has sailed now.

When casey anthony is found guilty and sentenced to LWOP it will be baez's fault, imo.

No need to snip because I agree and Baez knows what buttons to push to control Casey. She seems to love the company of men and his term "my girl" plays into her feeling special and that a man will save her.

I think she is so captivated with him because of his stature, he's a lawyer and his attention is focused only on her which feeds her narcissism that he has complete control.

This case should have been long ago and never gone to trial. The one lawyer on NG when the case first broke who described Casey as "someone who couldn't think her way around a corner" was so right.

I actually thought that people were undermining her intelligence but apparently not. moo

[Dtviewer3]

I'm surprised you think Amy's prints might be at the body crime scene. Did you read her interview with law enforcement? All Casey's acquaintances have been totally cooperative with LE. I don't suspect any of them. I think Amy was out of the country then. Amy filed a lawsuit against the habitual thief Casey for the money she stole from her while she was gone.

No, thats not what the poster was saying.

There is a text message from Amy to Casey and in it Amy mentions that Casey lost the duct tape that Amy had lent to her.

So the poster is assuming that maybe the duct tape found with Caylee was the tape that Casey borrowed from Amy, and maybe it has Amys prints on it.

[cuddlyrunner]

I think George asked her if Caylee was safe because he was terrified that she was dead and was hoping in his heart that maybe Casey had sold her to another family.

[RJ1]

I think there's plenty of forensic evidence with the body. That's why I don't understand why Geraldo made the statement that the Prosecution had a better case before they found the body. Plus, with no body, the Defense and the Anthonys could keep claiming that Caylee is still alive.

He may have been referring to possible problems arising from how the meter reader's first three tips were handled.

[Mamie]

Are you joking? You definitely did miss that. The tips and images of the little girl in the Orlando area who resembled Caylee. Those images were all over the media. They flew to California to meet with a lawyer and his girlfriend who gave sworn statements saying they saw Caylee and a Newport Beach restaurant. If I'm not mistaken, Cindy even went to Puerto Rico. All these sightings were obviously false, but they fed Anthony hope. They were looking for hope and people happily fed it with false sightings.

I think I answered all this in another post to you----except the PR trip----others answered that for you and I agree, I don't think she ever made that trip either. JMO

[Katt2]

they took many trips to news stations and tv sets too.

Yes, they did, the same as family members of other high profile cases have done before them. What is it that makes it so wrong for the Anthony's to do this but it was okay for these other "respected" families?

[RollieOlllie]

Logic tells me that if Cindy and Geo had anything to do with the disposing of Caylee's body, it would have been done with at least a little dignity (you know not thrown into a swamp/shallow grave with duct tape wrapped around her). They would have buried her in something nice and farther away. The disposing of the body would not have been performed in such haste. I believe Cindy and Geo loved that baby, it's the waste of skin mother who didn't care one iota about that precious baby. That's all I have to say about that.

[Danette44]

You do have to admit, JB doesn't have much to work with..lol

You're right and he will do as MG did in the Scott Peterson case.......ask for a mistrial every chance he gets. jmo

[trich]

Cindy did not go to Puerto Rico. The A's "searched" by making statements to the press about "sightings" and "tips." They never actually went and looked anywhere, at anything. The trip to LA was to appear on Larry King Live.


Also by telling others to look for Caylee while all they did was drive
a billboard around town.
The anthonys have told mistruths from right after they called 911...from then on it has all been cover up for Casey.

If someone has not followed this case from the beginning they need to go back and read all the interviews to realize what is the truth and what isn't.

[RJ1]

You're right and he will do as MG did in the Scott Peterson case.......ask for a mistrial every chance he gets. jmo

But will he show up for his client's verdict? (That still amazes me...)

[Magnum357]

He may have been referring to possible problems arising from how the meter reader's first three tips were handled.

I think everyone is a little perplexed at how those first three tips were handled but the bottom line is they now have the remains and forensic evidence. Personally, I'm a little curious as to why the meter reader didn't poke or kick the bag when he first saw it---or the second time or the third time. I know you're not suppose to disturb a possible crime scene but since no one was investigating his tips, I would have done it just to satisfy my own curiosity. And in the end, he did disturb the bag during his fourth trip. Thank goodness for that.

[trich]

How long do you believe they knew caylee wqs really dead?

For me, it was whenever they found out for sure about the FBI results.....I think they strongly suspected the very first time they smelled decomp in the trunk of the car.

IMO when Cindy found Casey alive she knew then the decomp was Caylee.
Exactly the reason they never searched for Caylee.

[RJ1]

I think everyone is a little perplexed at how those first three tips were handled but the bottom line is they now have the remains and forensic evidence. Personally, I'm a little curious as to why the meter reader didn't poke or kick the bag when he first saw it---or the second time or the third time. I know you're not suppose to disturb a possible crime scene but since no one was investigating his tips, I would have done it just to satisfy my own curiosity. And in the end, he did disturb the bag during his fourth trip. Thank goodness for that.

ITA. Hopefully LE will get it all sorted out soon.

[dvsone]

I doubt this is going to happen but maybe they will do a Bobby Cutts and sit there through the trial and listen to all the evidence and then at the end put Casey on the stand with a story concocted to fit the evidence.

whoa. wait. You think Casey will go ON the stand? How is she going to get passed all the lies told?

Anyone that thinks there will be answers please feel free to post them. I can see no way to giving those answers and making them believable. Thus, creating a sliver of reasonable doubt.




Here are the roadblocks as I see them:
2 yr history of NO job...
2 yr history of NO nanny...
31 days missing child with no reports of said child....
her behavior since the childs demise...

[RJ1]

Is there a certain chain of hotels specifically designed for grandparents of missing/dead children? Would it be more acceptable if they had stayed at Howard Johnson's?

Or made a Holiday Inn Express commercial ...:rolleyes:

[really3997]

There is suppose to be a press conference with Conway regarding the memorial. I just need to chime in on something while I might agree on the stuffed animals being donated, but as you can tell by the pic that I sent yesterday some have written messages to Caylee. Also there are many balloons, flowers, pic and letters to Caylee. What will happen to those. If Cindy does read these boards I strongly hope that those are not found in the trash. I don't see why those cannot remain by the corner tree until after the holidays. I do agree they should be removed before school returns after the holidays to be honest with you I have enough of the sit downs with my children regarding this issue. JMO

[Mamie]

all the same....It doesn't take chloroform and a broken neck to kill a toddler.....This si so sad to say.....self-defense...???.....against a toddler?...<her other searches>....

She knew they were still together.
They were together when the searches were being done
therefore she was planning to kill an adult <or two or three>
IMO


I stand corrected----because I just read on another post that maybe she was considering killing others and that the house coming to her was that she'd said her parents were moving out of state? Anyhow I trust that poster so, I stand corrected. I'd not heard anything about her thinking of killing others. Please accept my apology.

[cassidy]

Oh Lomar, Don't you know they are going to say that Zanny had a key to the house and came in and did those computer searches herself!!!!!!!!!!!! IMOWell then. Zanny was quite the little planner wan't she. Setting it all up months before Caylee went missing.

JMo

[Mamie]

WOW----Destini!!

[KatieKates]

Oh, my. What are "those leads?" Are you honestly saying that LE has caused the circus atmosphere around this case? :confused:


"those leads" from the meter reader calling and saying he spotted a bag, not once, but twice before finding it himself. And I'll reserve my judgment for when the investigation comes out as to whether or not LE searched the area he called in about. The fact that she was only a block from her own home...

And as far as that adding to the circus, yes, the more time that had passed without finding her added to the circus, MOO.

[marshmallow]

Yes, they did, the same as family members of other high profile cases have done before them. What is it that makes it so wrong for the Anthony's to do this but it was okay for these other "respected" families?



my post was in reply to another post stating they were all over looking for Caylee.

[SandyO]

Oh gosh I would love to see him in an interview on tv. I read his LE interviews. He grew up with her from young ages and I think he probably knows her best.

In one of the most recent interviews I saw with Jesse he stated he doesn't know the PRESENT DAY Casey at all. He only knows the person she used to be.

[canada]

I have a former son-in-law who works in corrections. Granted, he does not work at the same place where Casey is locked up. I would be willing to bet a significant amount of money that in our county jail, the chances that you could request - and GET - enough meds to put you into a state where you could be called "heavily sedated" would be about equal to the chances that you could order a dinner of steak & shrimp.

So many, MANY people are arrested BECAUSE of drug issues. Can you imagine how many of them are - or would be - begging for drugs of every sort?

Diabetics, people on heart & blood pressure meds & stuff like that are lucky if they get them every day, on time, in the dosage they need. The jail is NOT in the business of handing out la-la drugs, so locked-up folks will 'feel better' & not suffer from emotional distress.


I was a jail guard for ten years (in Canada). Anybody that wanted drugs had to see a doctor first. A jail nurse could hand them out but they have to be prescribed. I'm not really buying the sedation thing unless it was something previously prescribed by the jail doctor. Jail doctors are pretty reluctant to prescribe sedatives. Regardless if poor Casey was stressed it was only because she knew her goose was cooked.

[Destini]

WOW----Destini!!

It's quite interesting to me .... was this just a coincidence, or did someone know this body was going to be found 2 days prior? I haven't thought it through really as to how that is possible because it's been so upsetting with Caylee being found & identified. But still, something is very strange about this.

[DeeN]

Just curious.. How many of you were with Cindy every second of every day for the past 6 months? Surely, at least one of you was, since you are sure of every move she made.

But, I for one am not going to bite. Your location is "Trolls are People too"?

Ahemmmm- Your nick is "Adverse Party". Time to scroll on down the line...... See Ya :thumbdown:

[Cury-us Coyote]

CF13 News Interview with Kevin Beary reflecting on career
http://www.cfnews13.com/Services/ListenLive/Default.aspx

[canada]

Just curious.. How many of you were with Cindy every second of every day for the past 6 months? Surely, at least one of you was, since you are sure of every move she made.

Well there was a camera on their residence for quite some time. Plus their movements were well documented by the media. If they actually did get off their azzes to conduct a search espcially in Puerto Rico it would have been documented.

[court~critic1®]

The science didn't confirm it was Caylee until this past Friday afternoon.


You have no idea when Dr. G or the LE had the science confirm it was Cayle. They just announced it Friday. Doesn't mean they didn't have it before then. Now does it. Or do you think the min. they received the science it was Caylee they ran out to announce it.? I don't think so.

[KatieKates]

You have no idea when Dr. G or the LE had the science confirm it was Cayle. They just announced it Friday. Doesn't mean they didn't have it before then. Now does it. Or do you think the min. they received the science it was Caylee they ran out to announce it.? I don't think so.

LE might have had the science, the Anthony's didn't until before the announcement was made public.

[Mamie]

It's quite interesting to me .... was this just a coincidence, or did someone know this body was going to be found 2 days prior? I haven't thought it through really as to how that is possible because it's been so upsetting with Caylee being found & identified. But still, something is very strange about this.

Boy, you got that right-----or we have a real live actual psychic amongst us who REALLY IS one! I remember I thought the meter reader was hinky at first and then when I saw him on tv at his PC, I changed my mind about that, so I will reserve my thoughts on this too. I need more info on this. Also, I didn't get much out of your addition of the link. Did I miss something?

[really3997]

The science didn't confirm it was Caylee until this past Friday afternoon.

The remains in the woods were confirmed this Friday however the science that Caylee was no longer alive was months ago. You can't pick and choose what science you are going to believe JMO

[dvsone]

It's quite interesting to me .... was this just a coincidence, or did someone know this body was going to be found 2 days prior? I haven't thought it through really as to how that is possible because it's been so upsetting with Caylee being found & identified. But still, something is very strange about this.

Not really.
Lenny could have been little bitty.. and he came up with a new scene each time a new sentence was constructed ... he always said the body was going to be found... today or tomorrow...

[RollieOlllie]

You stated that very well, but it was the Anthonys actions after finding the car that many people question.

The answer is so simple though, it's human nature. The lie was easier to believe than accepting the truth.

[Pruddennce]

Logic tells me that if Cindy and Geo had anything to do with the disposing of Caylee's body, it would have been done with at least a little dignity (you know not thrown into a swamp/shallow grave with duct tape wrapped around her). They would have buried her in something nice and farther away. The disposing of the body would not have been performed in such haste. I believe Cindy and Geo loved that baby, it's the waste of skin mother who didn't care one iota about that precious baby. That's all I have to say about that.

logic tells me they were not in any way involved in the death of their granddaughter...they were however involved in withholding pertinent information from LE and the FBI. that is a fact, said lies/omissions contained in those interviews.

that, in and of itself, dictates to me that they were not seeking the truth about the disposition of Caylee. they were more focused on preserving casey's persona. *mother of the year*

*what was purchased by casey on the JCPennys charge?* <-----Cindy didnt want LE/FBI to know about the purchases.

LE states to Cindy in her interview "we know she was all over the place with the JC Penny card*

yet, Cindy holds firm. she would not discuss the purchases.

that is withholding information (although, of course, LE ultimately obtained the statements identifying the purchases)

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[aubrey04]

geraldo thinks they will be indicted soon....fwiw

Sorry folks.. just jumping in and reading. This was PAGES back. But I wanted to ask Summer.. What do you mean Geraldo thinks George and Cindy will be indicted soon? Not that I trust that mans opinion farther than I can throw him but I am curious.

[jammies]

if that is true...all my sympathy for the anthonys goes right back out the window....


If true, then they are still enabling and playing pretend with Casey. So basically, nothing has changed. She will continue to lie and they will continue to live in lala. It's past sad. It's just CRAZY.

[court~critic1®]

LE might have had the science, the Anthony's didn't until before the announcement was made public.



Sorry, I am missing your point.

:confused:

[barskin&co.]

I think they desparately hoped, and that Casey fed them a story and manipulated them into hanging on to that hope, no matter how slim it was.

I can't help thinking about Cindy in the interview with Yuri Melich. Near the end, they were talking about looking for Caylee, and she wailed to him, "but are you looking for a live Caylee or a dead Caylee?" Yuri said to her "We're looking for Caylee." She might have been as annoying as hell in the rest of that interview, but at that moment she was showing her raw emotions, and it was very sad, indeed. She could not bear talking about anything but the search for a live Caylee, as if that kept her alive. She was teetering on the edge, living in this fantasy, and the defendant has indeed manipulated that need.

Now that the defendant can no longer play that fantasy card, I wonder what will happen.

[Neffy]

It's quite interesting to me .... was this just a coincidence, or did someone know this body was going to be found 2 days prior? I haven't thought it through really as to how that is possible because it's been so upsetting with Caylee being found & identified. But still, something is very strange about this.


See I took those posts and those key words "knowingly" "falsehood" meaning continue the myth that Caylee is alive and kidnapped.

2 major lies, Zanny kidnapped her and Caylee is alive. Those were the 2 major headlines and although.

Who was spreading this nationwide? The Anthony's.

I think the major development to end the circus was George and Cindy and perhaps someone has something to prove that they were diverting attention.

Earlier someone posted about no one looking for the nanny. That's right. There is NO DESCRIPTION of either of these women Casey says had her. They spread the word to look for an alive Caylee but no nanny or 2nd women description and NO CAR DESCRIPTION.

[dvsone]

Princess Pants On Fire Inmate Casey Anthony.

[Destini]

Boy, you got that right-----or we have a real live actual psychic amongst us who REALLY IS one! I remember I thought the meter reader was hinky at first and then when I saw him on tv at his PC, I changed my mind about that, so I will reserve my thoughts on this too. I need more info on this. Also, I didn't get much out of your addition of the link. Did I miss something?

The posts were from that thread. I only copied where someone else was responding to Little Bitty because the original posts are no longer available. I guess you would have to read through the thread to find all of them (which I haven't done), but I was reading when these were being posted and I can't get it out of my mind.

I've read numerous posts the last few months on this forum & others where someone claimed to have inside info which turned out to be nothing, but these particular postings ended up being so "on point," so to speak, that I can't help but wonder.

I don't know, I just think there may be many bombshells yet to come in this case.

[KatieKates]

I think it's horribly unfair to cast aspersions on LE in this instance. They have been very upfront about the issue. It is under investigation. They are standing firmly behind the private citizen who made the calls. The officers involved in August are on administrative leave (I believe I read that, anyway).

It is so incredibly troubling to me that under the circumstances, with all the national media attention this case has garnered and all the tips LE was attempting to chase down at that time, and in a city the size of Orlando where crimes are happening every minute of every day, that anyone could throw stones at the OCSD for not doing their job and contributing to the circus atmosphere of this case.

It's shameful, imo. Really shameful.

I'm not casting anything, which is why I said I'm reserving judgment...It is being investigated, so I will be commenting on it. Yadda yadda yadda...

[RollieOlllie]

logic tells me they were not in any way involved in the death of their granddaughter...they were however involved in withholding pertinent information from LE and the FBI. that is a fact, said lies/omissions contained in those interviews.

that, in and of itself, dictates to me that they were not seeking the truth about the disposition of Caylee. they were more focused on preserving casey's persona. *mother of the year*

*what was purchased by casey on the JCPennys charge?* <-----Cindy didnt want LE/FBI to know about the purchases.

LE states to Cindy in her interview "we know she was all over the place with the JC Penny card*

yet, Cindy holds firm. she would not discuss the purchases.

that is withholding information (although, of course, LE ultimately obtained the statements identifying the purchases)

I do not by any means condone their actions, but yet I do not fault them for said actions, if that makes any sense.

They're human, and yes I think that they did lie for their daughter but only because of the sliver of hope they held that Caylee was alive. I think that they knew deep down, but couldn't face it.

We will see a very different Cindy and George now, mark my words. They know their daughter killed their precious Caylee. I think I will go hug my daughter now.

Peace

[trich]

Why don't you think they believed Caylee was dead from the get-go by the 911 call, and their statements about a decomposing body odor in the trunk of the car? They didn't change until they went into the protect Casey mode and try to save her from the DP?


Exactly! they have known since the call.

[RJ1]

I have the impression that the book Caylee loved, went with her everywhere, like a loved blanket or teddy.

Cindy would have noticed immediately that the book was gone..

With the book showing up at the crime scene, body dumping location, Cindy would know EXACTLY who killed and dumped Caylees body there.

imo

Of course the book was gone --- Caylee was gone.

That doesn't mean that CA could bear to believe that Caylee was dead.

[Mamie]

Okay Mamie, here's the link. On the left column, scroll down to where it says INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS - (PDFs)

http://www.wftv.com/news/18282120/detail.html


It's long reads but the 1st one listed with Amy I think she tells law enforcement that Casey invited her to live with her and that her parents were relocating out of state SOON. I think there's a projected date in there too of the friends moving into the grandparents house. I just can't now recall what month; august maybe. ETA: If I'm not mistaken she told the tattoo people also who it was said she was acquaintances of.

chilling to say the least.

Others said it too, but I can't remember which one of the boys. I have wondered if Cindy and George were afraid of Casey and maybe that's part of why they turned her in when they did. Then later reconsidered. Geraldo said that's common for parents to think oh my gosh what am I doing to my child; once they call 911 on them for a crime. I think that's what happened in this case.


Thank you, dear, in advance for the link (I will read it now) and I wanted you to know that I do trust what you say and wanted to give you credit for it. I don't know where I got what I posted about the divorce and Cindy not being able to keep up the mortgage. Thanks again!

[canada]

Well I did leave but stopped back in when I got a phone call. I'm still trying to understand where that part comes from. Didn't I read where some friends introduced them at a party? Didn't she meet him around the time she got pregnant and that is why she said he was the father? Wasn't it Ryan (Someone) who grew up with her and knew her so well? Like I said, after time, it all starts to run together and without re-reading all of the docs it is hard to tell.

What I don't get is that if I were a guy and some girl I was dating lied to me and told me I had gotten her pregnant I would have been angry and out the door faster than the speed of light. I could just never get over such a big lie.
Either Jessie is a really really nice guy but a bit on the dumb side or Casey sure knows how to spin the stories to get what she wants.

[KatieKates]

I think the circus atmosphere was created when the LE felt it necessary to parade Casey out of her home, just in time for Nancy Grace, and her bombshell news. When she could have just as easily been surrendered without all the hoopla.

Excellent point! I'd say there is enough blame to go around for creating the atmosphere...

[RJ1]

I think it's horribly unfair to cast aspersions on LE in this instance. They have been very upfront about the issue. It is under investigation. They are standing firmly behind the private citizen who made the calls. The officers involved in August are on administrative leave (I believe I read that, anyway).

It is so incredibly troubling to me that under the circumstances, with all the national media attention this case has garnered and all the tips LE was attempting to chase down at that time, and in a city the size of Orlando where crimes are happening every minute of every day, that anyone could throw stones at the OCSD for not doing their job and contributing to the circus atmosphere of this case.

It's shameful, imo. Really shameful.

I think the major concern is that LE and/or the meter reader address these issues as soon as possible, in hopes of defusing any reasonable doubts the defense might try to offer up at trial about Caylee's body being placed there while Casey was in jail.

It needs to be addressed.

[dvsone]

Oh my, that is funny! Lenny was Little Bitty?

well anyone can be anyone on the net.... and we all know defense/proscecutors/news&media... ALL read these boards.

[RJ1]

I wonder if the little bird's name is Roy Kronk?

Yikes ...!

[KatieKates]

The Anthonys had science they chose to ignore months ago. That's simply a fact.

I don't know what that has to do with my posts, but ok...I guess you're talking about the report, not the "news reports" that had inconclusive all over them. We all knew it was her, but there wasn't anything I saw in those reports that said anything other than a dead body was in that trunk. If she were my grandchild, I'd dismiss that until a definitive answer was made available to me. I'd never let go or give up hope that she was alive. FWIW, MOO...

[sunstar]

I have the impression that the book Caylee loved, went with her everywhere, like a loved blanket or teddy.

Cindy would have noticed immediately that the book was gone..

With the book showing up at the crime scene, body dumping location, Cindy would know EXACTLY who killed and dumped Caylees body there.

imo

Hi! If the book went everywhere with Caylee, then Casey could've explained it was with her when ZG kidnapped Caylee. But why would ZG let her take her book and not her doll? That part wouldn't make sense. I agree though that Cindy would notice it missing, as well as whatever Caylee was wearing. MOO

[Destini]

I wonder if the little bird's name is Roy Kronk?

Well, there ya go ... exactly what I was wondering. But what would this mean? Did he possibly find the bag 2 days earlier than we believe & LE just waited to report it to the media? That's the only scenario I can come up with that wouldn't implicate someone somehow.

[awareness]

Does anyone know if Cindy and George have made any statement yet?

TIA

[really3997]

Does anyone know if Cindy and George have made any statement yet?

TIA

The 12:00 news said a press conference with their attorney will be later this afternoon. Don't know what time that is..but that is what I heard

[trich]

The answer is so simple though, it's human nature. The lie was easier to believe than accepting the truth.



Well the Anthony family is all about lies....they think they have it down to a perfection. which in itself is foolish.
If it is human nature to believe lies rather then the truth then we are all in touble.
The truth does hurt sometimes but lying about it is not going to make it better.
They lied and denied that Casey was pregnant but what did they think was going to happen a few months down the line.
Yeah a baby ....
Most times lies will catch up to you just like Caylee's death has.

[jammies]

The 12:00 news said a press conference with their attorney will be later this afternoon. Don't know what time that is..but that is what I heard


If there is ANY mention of Zany or kidnappers, then the Immunity Deal needs to come off the table pronto.

[RJ1]

What I don't get is that if I were a guy and some girl I was dating lied to me and told me I had gotten her pregnant I would have been angry and out the door faster than the speed of light. I could just never get over such a big lie.
Either Jessie is a really really nice guy but a bit on the dumb side or Casey sure knows how to spin the stories to get what she wants.

I think it was the Dateline show that said that even though the paternity test confirmed that Jessie was not the father, he had already bonded with Caylee so he hung in until Casey broke off the engagement. They showed a picture of Jessie, Casey and Caylee at Christmas (when Caylee was about 4 months old). Jessie was wearing a Santa hat and he was smiling and holding Caylee up in the air.

[sunstar]

The 12:00 news said a press conference with their attorney will be later this afternoon. Don't know what time that is..but that is what I heard

thanks for that update ~ I haven't had the news channels on this afternoon. :)

[Regina.Lampert]

Well, there ya go ... exactly what I was wondering. But what would this mean? Did he possibly find the bag 2 days earlier than we believe & LE just waited to report it to the media? That's the only scenario I can come up with that wouldn't implicate someone somehow.

Could be that poster is a friend of Roy Kronk and was aware of the three previous tips and that he intended to recheck the area? Sure is interesting tho.

[ilovemylife]

I don't know about Cindy, but as far as what GEORGE believes....He can't go back on his words when this all first began. The interviews with LE where he says he believed his daughter did something terrible and he hasn't shared it with his wife. To me he felt as tho the dead smell in the car was Caylee. He knew in his heart, he can't take it back no matter how he may wish he could. JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

The 12:00 news said a press conference with their attorney will be later this afternoon. Don't know what time that is..but that is what I heard

Thank you really, you sure have been a great source of information for us. :beer:

[KatieKates]

Could be that poster is a friend of Roy Kronk and was aware of the three previous tips and that he intended to recheck the area? Sure is interesting tho.

Very interesting.

[really3997]

Thank you really, you sure have been a great source of information for us. :beer:

Thank you...I try

[aubrey04]

This has gotten me thinking.

A pychopath raising a child and the child is a pyschopath. Or a sociapath. That would make a really strange household.

By that logic.. I guess we would expect Caylee to have turned out that way had she grown up.

Well I can say I would surely not have wanted to see Cindy raise Caylee.

You got your wish.

Anyone think we will get the DNA results back from the duct tape any time soon? I have a feeling it will take a LONG time to get those results back..

[KatieKates]

even though those reports HAD TO SAY that there CAN be false positivdes....the margin of error on those DNA tests is not that great....but they have to take that into acount...

Right, and I have to say that would be enough for me to hold out hope that it wasn't her...if she were mine. Of course me sitting in front of my computer in another state, in another mindset, I knew it was Caylee, as I'm sure all of you did.

[awareness]

thanks really3997

[KatieKates]

Here's what you said:



What part of that post is not casting stones at LE? Not only do you appear to be accusing them of bungling the investigation, but you're also accusing them of causing Cindy to misbehave, Padilla to show up, the protesters to protest, etc.

Imo, you're hardly reserving judgment against law enforcement. Good grief.

Depends, are you saying "wrong doing," or adding to the circus. Because I still think they added to the circus. AGAIN - I'll reserve judgment for after the investigation. That's all I can say about that, I really can't hand hold you through all of my posts. You either get what I'm saying or not. No biggie.

[sunstar]

Anyone think we will get the DNA results back from the duct tape any time soon? I have a feeling it will take a LONG time to get those results back..
I'd think it shouldn't be too long to process the duct tape for fingerprints, DNA and anything else stuck to it. MOO

[RJ1]

Well, yes thats true too.

In fact, even now, I would imagine that its hard for Cindy Anthony to believe that Caylee is dead, and at the hands of the daughter that she has defended, despite the known facts.

I know. As absurd as it seems now, there were some of us in NYC that held on to false hope for weeks after 9/11 that maybe, just maybe, missing loved ones, friends and colleagues had miracularously survived the collapse of the towers and were wandering around somewhere with amnesia.

We believe what we need to at the time, I guess.

[Pruddennce]

IMO....George is a former investigator and he KNOWS what is what....

dont consider it your opinion: it is fact. he said it himself in his LE/FBI interviews. he knew what the smell was, if you ever smelled it, you never forget it. Cindy stated it as well in her interview:

"Ive smelled dead flesh, I smelled dead bodies, I smelled burnt flesh"....

she's smelled it all. starts at 6:06, last video on that page.

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2008/09/one_of_cindy_anthonys_intervie.php

best regards,
Pru

[Cury-us Coyote]

Anyone think we will get the DNA results back from the duct tape any time soon? I have a feeling it will take a LONG time to get those results back..

A reporter (who appeared on In Sessions with AB & JF) apparently thought so yesterday with the attached report.

DNA Evidence May be Released Today

by Michelle Murillo and Rozzie Franco

ORANGE COUNTY, FLA. -- DNA results from the remains of a small child found near the home of missing Caylee Anthony may be released today, reports say.
Police have kept tight-lipped with the information and have not confirmed the release of any information.

http://bbn.frn.com/fis/MyFlaNews/storypage.asp?site=mfln2-ip&storyID=7133

[KatieKates]

I love how people bash LE....until they NEED LE.....Im not pointing fingers at you at all....

What I see here...IMO... is LE having to NOT say certain things in order to preserve the integrity of their investigation.....They HAD TO do certain things ...as well as omit certain things in order to NOT tip their hands.

Jeez, all my posts require so much follow up...lol

I'm saying that when the meter reader calls not once but twice and then finds the body himself, that's a huge problem. If this child could have been found back in Aug...it's a guess on my part but a lot of the circus element would have been prevented. Now the defense has something they can use where before they had nothing. I'm not concerned with LE or the Anthony's, I want justice for Caylee in the end. Although I respect LE and have compassion for the Anthony family. I really hope that clears up that, if not, well, I'll just take my lumps and sit in the corner. LOL

[Destini]

What is this nonsense about finding the remains prior to the day of the 911 call? Where is the link to that?

Possibly .... that's what I said.

[dvsone]

Because Im having a hard time dissecting the A's word for word and action to action today... I decided to do this....

psycho vs socio .... interesting... as I think Cindy and Casey are prime examples.... Cindy being socio .. Casey being psycho...

thats my opine... anyone else ?

here is the link because the article too long... and its a blog... and you know how those are frowned upon for sourcing. In this case I think its informative.
click this (http://incoldblogger.blogspot.com/2007/06/psychopath-vs-sociopath.html)

[KatieKates]

Not that this has anything to do with the case.. last time I needed LE, it took them 3 hours to get to my house, while I waited outside as they instructed me to do. But I didn't bash them.

:thumbup::thumbup:

[aubrey04]

A reporter (who appeared on In Sessions with AB & JF) apparently thought so yesterday with the attached report.

DNA Evidence May be Released Today

by Michelle Murillo and Rozzie Franco

ORANGE COUNTY, FLA. -- DNA results from the remains of a small child found near the home of missing Caylee Anthony may be released today, reports say.
Police have kept tight-lipped with the information and have not confirmed the release of any information.

http://bbn.frn.com/fis/MyFlaNews/storypage.asp?site=mfln2-ip&storyID=7133

Thanks sunstar and cury.. Cury, that was dated 12/18/09 - the day before the indentification of Caylee's remains. I assume they are talking about the DNA in regards to identification of the body..? I am reading that incorrectly?

[Mamie]

Okay Mamie, here's the link. On the left column, scroll down to where it says INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS - (PDFs)

http://www.wftv.com/news/18282120/detail.html


It's long reads but the 1st one listed with Amy I think she tells law enforcement that Casey invited her to live with her and that her parents were relocating out of state SOON. I think there's a projected date in there too of the friends moving into the grandparents house. I just can't now recall what month; august maybe. ETA: If I'm not mistaken she told the tattoo people also who it was said she was acquaintances of.

chilling to say the least.

Others said it too, but I can't remember which one of the boys. I have wondered if Cindy and George were afraid of Casey and maybe that's part of why they turned her in when they did. Then later reconsidered. Geraldo said that's common for parents to think oh my gosh what am I doing to my child; once they call 911 on them for a crime. I think that's what happened in this case.


Okay----now I know where I got my story----here in the link Amy says that it was early May or maybe mid May that Casey told her that her mother was getting a condo in Winter Park----I don't know where that is but it could be out of state----because Casey's grandparents may be moving over from Mt. Dora because there's a better facility for grandpa in Winter Park. She is not clear on when the move was to take place but she says there are dates in the text messages she let LE have off her phone. Then she says that Casey told her that her parents were getting divorced all of a sudden and that her mother took back the house because she had 30 days to back out on the deal (with the condo I take this to mean) and Amy said a bunch of stuff was going on. She wasn't sure of the date but again said dates were in the texts. So I guess it only is fitting that Casey would float many stories, huh? We wouldn't expect any less of her---lol. Thanks again Adalena!

[Neffy]

I love how people bash LE....until they NEED LE.....Im not pointing fingers at you at all....

What I see here...IMO... is LE having to NOT say certain things in order to preserve the integrity of their investigation.....They HAD TO do certain things ...as well as omit certain things in order to NOT tip their hands.



My favorite is that LE contaminated the crime scene and ruined it.

[KatieKates]

The point I am making about LE here is not because of you....it is because IMO LE has to deal with SO MANY nutjobs and people inserting themselves into an investigation with no grounds....that sometimes they too grow weary.....Trust me...it is not your post....just my observations...

Thanks for that, and I don't disagree with you about people bashing LE until they need them, but I've seen a lot of lazy LE out there as well, so it's on an individual level I judge them, not as a whole. They chose their profession, and it comes with great responsibility but in the end they're human and can make mistakes like everyone else. This case is so close to being wrapped up...it would be a shame if she walked on a technicality. JMO

[RJ1]

One thing about Caylee's remains being placed there after casey was in jail:...They WILL know how long a body has been decomposing in the area based on trace elements in the soil immediately surrounding any remains...despite the water....Chemistry is a wonderful thing...

But ... for every expert witness there seems to be an opposing expert witness.

If you saw the Danielle Van Dam case, the entemology was argued vigorously.

[KatieKates]

Hand-hold? lol I get what you're saying.

Time will tell us all we need to know, and probably much more than we wanted to know.

I just have a gut feeling that something big is coming down the pike. I don't think we're done being surprised by this case. JMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

Thanks sunstar and cury.. Cury, that was dated 12/18/09 - the day before the indentification of Caylee's remains. I assume they are talking about the DNA in regards to identification of the body..? I am reading that incorrectly?

:shrug: Not sure. The ME PC was At 2:00 PM December 19, 2008

http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547

ETA - Still no concrete proof of the existance of duct tape with remains. IMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

I'm just catching up, was the book found at the recovery site?


AFAIK on ongoing speculation.
jmo

[sunstar]

The real question is how long will it take them to release them to the public?

I wouldn't be too disappointed if some things remained a mystery to us until the trial, which I think might just happen with some of the crime lab results. MOO

[dvsone]

Difference Between a Psychopath and a Sociopath


http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-a-psychopath-and-a-sociopath.htm

ummm the idea was to open further discussion, as Ive read a few different articles... and posted the link I did for the ease of reading it.

but thanks anyway.
extra links are always welcome.

[impartial]

I never heard that LE confirmed it.

They haven't.

If an entire body has decomposed to skeletal remains ... what's the likelihood that a book made of paper submerged in water for months would not have disintegrated.

IMO

[really3997]

Out of all the days on this board it seems to me that Sunday's seem to be the most combative. You would think that the Sunday before the holidays would be less frustrating. This precious child has been brought home in time for the holidays please remember you can have a difference of opinion just leaves the nastys out of ....Skip and scroll and have a happy Sunday

[RJ1]

although the defense SAYS that it is there to get at the truth....the defense is REALLY there to get their cliend either OFF...or a lighter sentence....or even a lesser charge....They PURPOSELY try to confuse jurors.....Tehy seem to think ALL jurors are ignorant of science or anything else....That is what bothers me about defense attorneys....although I would find one a GodSend if I ever needed one...

It's a double-edged sword, isn't it? Every defendant deserves proper representation (e.g., Cynthia Sommers' second lawyer), but some defense attorneys pull such odious tricks (e.g. Mark Geragos during the Scott Peterson trial) that they engender loathing and disgust in even the most fair-minded.

[?noanswer]

although the defense SAYS that it is there to get at the truth....the defense is REALLY there to get their cliend either OFF...or a lighter sentence....or even a lesser charge....They PURPOSELY try to confuse jurors.....Tehy seem to think ALL jurors are ignorant of science or anything else....That is what bothers me about defense attorneys....although I would find one a GodSend if I ever needed one...

Sometimes I think it comes down to which side has the best actors. I also think that maybe there is too much science available, especially when two different people look at the same thing and come to different conclusions. Seems the defense can put so much more spin on something, while LE has to be methodical. I keep thinking about the 1st Spector Trial and the fiasco the defense "experts" presented.

JMO


JMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

They haven't.

If an entire body has decomposed to skeletal remains ... what's the likelihood that a book made of paper submerged in water for months would not have disintegrated.

IMO

Unless the object is something metal, plastic, new to the environment or laminated and previously protected from exposure, it seems unlikely, IMO.
jmo

[impartial]

although the defense SAYS that it is there to get at the truth....the defense is REALLY there to get their cliend either OFF...or a lighter sentence....or even a lesser charge....They PURPOSELY try to confuse jurors.....Tehy seem to think ALL jurors are ignorant of science or anything else....That is what bothers me about defense attorneys....although I would find one a GodSend if I ever needed one...


The defense is really there to ensure the State proves it case beyond a reasonable doubt. Even so, we still are visiting cases of people on death row that have been subsequently exonerated.

Interestingly enough, Florida leads the nation in wrongful convictions ... I do not have the link ... it was provided on this board some time ago.

IMO

[dvsone]

Out of all the days on this board it seems to me that Sunday's seem to be the most combative. You would think that the Sunday before the holidays would be less frustrating. This precious child has been brought home in time for the holidays please remember you can have a difference of opinion just leaves the nastys out of ....Skip and scroll and have a happy Sunday

Nothing new.
So they continue to argue and debate over grammar... strange because most people are saying the same things...

Casey most likely did it.
Casey is a liar.
Cindy is so very odd.
George has no spine.
Lee who?
The A's are ungrateful.
The FBI are looking closely.


Makes for a long uninformative day.

[SavannahStar]

Not really.
Lenny could have been little bitty.. and he came up with a new scene each time a new sentence was constructed ... he always said the body was going to be found... today or tomorrow...
I agree. And anyone can say anything, just about, on a message board. If they say enough things often enough, one day something will come true, just the odds....

[LindaNJ1216]

You do have to admit, JB doesn't have much to work with..lol

Mental disease or defect....maybe that "miscarriage" Casey claimed to have had lead to some hormonal roller coaster postpartum depression thing...when mixed with her bi-polar....

Mental defect or disease is the only defense they stand a chance with. imo

[SavannahStar]

It was in the news this a.m. Someone up thread gave it to me.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=1.1.1

The book is among numerous pieces of evidence Orange County Sheriff's deputies say they found in the wooded area where Caylee's remains turned up."

*snipped*




I get "page temporarily unavailable" with that link.

[RJ1]

They haven't.

If an entire body has decomposed to skeletal remains ... what's the likelihood that a book made of paper submerged in water for months would not have disintegrated.

IMO

Good question. I believe Caylee's book was laminated. From the pictures taken at the recovery site, there appeared to be intact photos next to the book-looking object. Maybe neither had anything to do with Caylee's remains.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Sometimes I think it comes down to which side has the best actors. I also think that maybe there is too much science available, especially when two different people look at the same thing and come to different conclusions. Seems the defense can put so much more spin on something, while LE has to be methodical. I keep thinking about the 1st Spector Trial and the fiasco the defense "experts" presented.

JMO


JMO

Can there really be too much science? AFAIK the same principles apply in court and message boards, challenge the post not the poster and challenge the science not the scientist.
jmo

[Neffy]

Actually both sides do it.....Cynthia Sommers is the perfect case to show that the prosecution would rather focus on a person's behavior and confuse jurors about the science of the case, and the jurors apparently were ignorant of science.....considering they didn't even consider the science.....

I'm glad there are some safety valves in our justice system.


Her behavior is just an aspect of it. This case has Casey pointing the finger at an invisible person, invisible phone, invisible job, invisible conversations. The partying is while Caylee is unaccounted for not after the fact. The partying is also while no one else knew Caylee was missing.

Your right, Cynthia's case is the perfect case to show that. This one's no where near the same.

[jammies]

Is there an actual deal on the table, though? All I've read is Conway's statements about immunity. Nothing has been forthcoming from the other side, that I'm aware of.


Nothing that come out so far. Just speculating here.

[impartial]

It was in the news this a.m. Someone up thread gave it to me.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=1.1.1

The book is among numerous pieces of evidence Orange County Sheriff's deputies say they found in the wooded area where Caylee's remains turned up."

LE gave that info to the press. We all know nothing has been entered into evidence in a court of law, yet. This case is very early. They just found the body a week ago.

There is no verdict. The trial hasen't started. The jury hasen't rendered a verdict. The jury hasen't been selected yet. The pretrial hasen't begun and won't until next spring at the earliest. Could be a year or even two away for the trial to start.

News LE gives to the public is the only source of information at this time and that will remain so for some time to come.

I can never understand people who diss news sources this early in a case. If they want everything to be wrapped up solid in a neat little package with verdicts decided why are they here now? To remind others the trial hasen't begun, yet?

LE released the photo of the book at the crime scene last week. If LE is lying about that or spoofing it will come out at trial. Right now I believe LE is truthful.

Ongoing speculation you say? What the heck?

The link doesn't work. LE specifically said they would not comment on any evidence found at the crime scene (other than the bones found are Caylee's). I haven't seen anything directly from LE to the contrary. I have seen the media report conclusively that LE found a book, without any statement from LE to support that conclusion.

IMO

[fierce1]

Anyone think we will get the DNA results back from the duct tape any time soon? I have a feeling it will take a LONG time to get those results back..

Whoah! Those posts you quoted were way out of line. don't know how to quote the ones you did . it won't let me. good grief ppl. we are talking about dead baby.

[cassidy]

Mental disease or defect....maybe that "miscarriage" Casey claimed to have had lead to some hormonal roller coaster postpartum depression thing...when mixed with her bi-polar....

Mental defect or disease is the only defense they stand a chance with. imo

Casey is bi-polar? Diagnosed or speculated?

[LindaNJ1216]

Had they gone door to door as they said they would, Caylee could have been found so much sooner.. also they knew where Casey had buried her pets (hamster etc) and should have known better than anyone else, where she may have dumped the body.

imo the Anthony's did not want the body to be found.

Of course they didn't ever want to find the body of their grand daughter. As long as there was no body, there was still a shred of hope for them to hold onto. Now there is no doubt.

[Cury-us Coyote]

It was in the news this a.m. Someone up thread gave it to me.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=1.1.1

The book is among numerous pieces of evidence Orange County Sheriff's deputies say they found in the wooded area where Caylee's remains turned up."

LE gave that info to the press. We all know nothing has been entered into evidence in a court of law, yet. This case is very early. They just found the body a week ago.

There is no verdict. The trial hasen't started. The jury hasen't rendered a verdict. The jury hasen't been selected yet. The pretrial hasen't begun and won't until next spring at the earliest. Could be a year or even two away for the trial to start.

News LE gives to the public is the only source of information at this time and that will remain so for some time to come.

I can never understand people who diss news sources this early in a case. If they want everything to be wrapped up solid in a neat little package with verdicts decided why are they here now? To remind others the trial hasen't begun, yet?

LE released the photo of the book at the crime scene last week. If LE is lying about that or spoofing it will come out at trial. Right now I believe LE is truthful.

Ongoing speculation you say? What the heck?

Keep in mind, the same Fox 35 reporter PP covering yesterday's news also reported the name of the utility worker as Gonzales.
jmo

[sunstar]

Just now commenting on a couple of things I read up thread. I never heard anyone say that Zanny was a longtime family friend? Did anyone else hear that? Though I didn't read all of the doc dumps and have learned of things here that I hadn't heard yet.

Also, I don't get why some people are attacking the meter reader who found the remains. I, for one, have no suspicions of him at all and I am very grateful that he didn't give up on something he felt so strongly about.

I've never heard anything about ZG being a family friend and I recall Cindy had said she'd never met her. I don't find fault with the meter reader either and am glad he was persistent or else Caylee's remains would still be there in the woods. MOO

[RJ1]

Can there really be too much science? AFAIK the same principles apply in court and message boards, challenge the post not the poster and challenge the science not the scientist.
jmo

Unfortunately, the days and days of scientific testimony in the oj murder trial proved to be way to much for that jury. One juror said that she threw out the 1-in-10 billion odds of the DNA on oj's socks because there weren't that many people on the planet. :crying:

[sunstar]

Of course they didn't ever want to find the body of their grand daughter. As long as there was no body, there was still a shred of hope for them to hold onto. Now there is no doubt.

Adding to this, as long as her body wasn't found, there was more hope for Casey to get off with maybe just one juror buying the theory that she was still alive. Now that's gone too. MOO

[trich]

Just now commenting on a couple of things I read up thread. I never heard anyone say that Zanny was a longtime family friend? Did anyone else hear that? Though I didn't read all of the doc dumps and have learned of things here that I hadn't heard yet.

Also, I don't get why some people are attacking the meter reader who found the remains. I, for one, have no suspicions of him at all and I am very grateful that he didn't give up on something he felt so strongly about.


IMO it is just another case of ...People saying things...
Because they they can.

Many like to come up with the strangest scenerios.
If Zanny was a family friend how come no one in the family had her phone number, address or even knew what she looked like.
No one even had met her ....some family friend.
Like I said so many people do not know the facts...and things get exagerated and before it is over the original is gone with the wind.

[bchand]

It was in the news this a.m. Someone up thread gave it to me.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=1.1.1

Ongoing speculation you say? What the heck?

Adalena - that link doesn't go anywhere.

[LindaNJ1216]

Casey is bi-polar? Diagnosed or speculated?

all speculation aka smoke and mirrors defense crap

[impartial]

Unfortunately, the days and days of scientific testimony in the oj murder trial proved to be way to much for that jury. One juror said that she threw out the 1-in-10 billion odds of the DNA on oj's socks because there weren't that many people on the planet. :crying:

:ohmy:


She had to say something, since they didn't discuss the evidence. :angry:


IMO

[cassidy]

all speculation aka smoke and mirrors defense crap

Thanks, thought I missed that gem. Guess I didn't.

[Neffy]

I've never heard anything about ZG being a family friend and I recall Cindy had said she'd never met her. I don't find fault with the meter reader either and am glad he was persistent or else Caylee's remains would still be there in the woods. MOO

I never read that either. I never read anything or heard to keep an eye out for anything or anyone. That still bothers me. The Anthony's APB on Caylee. The only information was Caylee is kidnapped. Where's the description of the Nanny, the other women that was supposedly there, the car they left in? Why didn't the Anthony's bring in a sketch artist for Casey to speak to? So many details were missing.
Was it ever released what Casey said was the last thing she was wearing? Not one smidgen of info except diverting attention away from Casey and a child is missing from somewhere from someone wearing something driven away by something that had wheels.

That's messed up to say the least.

[RJ1]

I put my money on Horse # 7...!!! The FBI has been maligned....but they will leave NO STONE UNTURNED.....what can't be figured out scientifically....somebody out there knows the truth of these matters....and they WILL find it and them.....Casey herself will someday want to have it known....she HAS to have the LAST WORD.....That's her personality....as twisted as it may be.

I don't know. Did you see Diane Downs' parole hearing? Tweny-five years in jail, and she still believes people will believe anything she utters.

The LAST WORD, yes ... but not necessarily any truth to those words.

[impartial]

I have been waiting patiently for Aubrey to explain why she thought it would enhance today's discussion, by bring last nights posts to today's thread. She never responded, but her motives are evident now.

But you are right.. we were and are talking about a dead child. A child who was loved and cared for by Cindy Anthony. I have no doubt that Cindy was the apple of Caylee's eye, and meant the entire world to her.

So.. when someone posts they are happy that Cindy will never have the opportunity to raise Caylee, I responded with what I still feel was an appropriate response. In retrospect... I would have prefered that I was able to rise above such an intentionally cruel post, and simply skipped and scrolled.


It's hard to do sometimes.

Tim Miller said his heart is breaking for Cindy and George.

IMO

[bchand]

I don't believe the arrest was staged anymore than I believe the execution of search warrants at the home were staged for a particular day or time. LE has a job to do. I don't think they pay a lot of attention to the clock.

As far as Baez's desires, I wouldn't think LE would need to worry about those too much. Perhaps they could have extended him a courtesy, or perhaps they were sufficiently distrustful of the whole group that they felt the need to pick her up themselves.

Imo, early on Baez and Cindy declared war on the OCSD. Another situation of having made their bed.

And I believe it was a good decision to go to the home and arrest her. The Anthony's had already placed a call to LE to come and get rid of the protesters. I don't see how Jose felt he could just mozey on up through THAT crowd and deliver her to jail himself. It would have been very dangerous.

He still seems to think that LE works for him with all his directives.

[cassidy]

In the past few weeks we had a guy released after 20 years in jail because new DNA evidence showed he didn't do it.


Unfortunately, that happens. But the majority of people who are sitting in prison actually did what they were tried and convicted of doing.

[ann10]

I've seen it way worse than this. It seems there is some kind of actual discussion going on. It would be boring if we all agreed on everything.


I nominate you to start the Geraldo bashing for the day while I write him a nasty email.

[RJ1]

:ohmy:


She had to say something, since they didn't discuss the evidence. :angry:


IMO

You make a good point! They packed BEFORE court the "day" that deliberations began. Arghhh ...

[bchand]

They just jerked it off of there. It worked when I posted it. I always check to make sure links are working before and after I post them.

I sure wish I had copied & pasted the entire news article, which I sometimes do. sigh

I knew you had to have read it but wanted you to know it was not going anywhere now which is why the continued comments about it still be speculation.

It'll probably be back.

[joolz]

Mental disease or defect....maybe that "miscarriage" Casey claimed to have had lead to some hormonal roller coaster postpartum depression thing...when mixed with her bi-polar....

Mental defect or disease is the only defense they stand a chance with. imo


What bi-polar? Did I miss the announcement that she had been diagnosed?

[LindaNJ1216]

What bi-polar? Did I miss the announcement that she had been diagnosed?

No, you missed nothing. I was just guessing at what defense would be used. Seems to me that's the only way they CAN go.

[LindaNJ1216]

Does anyone know if the tape of Caylee reading the book was taken at the nurseing home or on another day?

I believe it's all the same day. Caylee is wearing the same shirt

[RJ1]

We can discuss it....but what is there to discuss really? I mean if Casey's fingerprints are on the duct tape, she's probably going to be convicted....if no fingerprints are on the duct tape she's probably going to be convicted......if there is someone else's fingerprints on the duct tape, she'll probably be convicted, but the defense might argue that someone else did it.

*adding* if the duct tape was over the mouth then she'll probably be convicted.....now a defense expert might argue and show that since there was no soft tissue that it's impossible to say whether the tape was around the mouth at time of death.....which would be correct, especially considering the whole underwater for months thingy.

Unless they end up with a "bad" juror, I don't know how anybody can get past the fact that Casey never called the authorities about her missing child. If there is a reasonable excuse, I sure can't conjur it up.

[joolz]

No, you missed nothing. I was just guessing at what defense would be used. Seems to me that's the only way they CAN go.


Oh thanks - I didn't think I had ever heard that. Well good luck to the defense with that one!

[Cury-us Coyote]

It was in the news this a.m. Someone up thread gave it to me.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=1.1.1

The book is among numerous pieces of evidence Orange County Sheriff's deputies say they found in the wooded area where Caylee's remains turned up."

LE gave that info to the press. We all know nothing has been entered into evidence in a court of law, yet. This case is very early. They just found the body a week ago.

There is no verdict. The trial hasen't started. The jury hasen't rendered a verdict. The jury hasen't been selected yet. The pretrial hasen't begun and won't until next spring at the earliest. Could be a year or even two away for the trial to start.

News LE gives to the public is the only source of information at this time and that will remain so for some time to come.

I can never understand people who diss news sources this early in a case. If they want everything to be wrapped up solid in a neat little package with verdicts decided why are they here now? To remind others the trial hasen't begun, yet?

LE released the photo of the book at the crime scene last week. If LE is lying about that or spoofing it will come out at trial. Right now I believe LE is truthful.

Ongoing speculation you say? What the heck?

IF the article had accompanying video to see exactly what LE stated, the statement carries more credibility, IMO. Did you see the raw video where LE described the results of the trunk hair to a female reporter. She tried to rephrase what was said about four times. On each interation he corrected her misunderstandings. Hopefully with recordings and desk checking, 100% accurary is reported but errors are often reported, IMO. Some internet versions are updated as discovered.
jmo

[RJ1]

I nominate you to start the Geraldo bashing for the day while I write him a nasty email.

LOL ... well placed levity.:thumbsup:

[RJ1]

Does anyone know if the tape of Caylee reading the book was taken at the nurseing home or on another day?

I've read that it was at the nursing home, but I don't know that first hand.

[Brattnt]

Not sure if this has been posted yet...

There were some tense moments on Saturday at the memorial for Caylee at the crime scene that's filled with stuffed animals.

People became furious after a freelance producer said he was going to remove all the toys and gifts from the scene.

"This is so wrong and we will not let you take it," said a person at the memorial.

Skip Davis said he would take the toys to a home for underprivileged children in Orlando. He said the Anthony family asked him to do it.

Even though Davis said he would take the gifts, after the altercation with the crowd of onlookers, he left without taking anything.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18318021/detail.html

[trich]

I have been waiting patiently for Aubrey to explain why she thought it would enhance today's discussion, by bring last nights posts to today's thread. She never responded, but her motives are evident now.

But you are right.. we were and are talking about a dead child. A child who was loved and cared for by Cindy Anthony. I have no doubt that Cindy was the apple of Caylee's eye, and meant the entire world to her.

So.. when someone posts they are happy that Cindy will never have the opportunity to raise Caylee, I responded with what I still feel was an appropriate response. In retrospect... I would have prefered that I was able to rise above responding to such an intentionally cruel post, and simply skipped and scrolled.

As much as I dislike how the Anthonys have lied and covered for Casey the idea that someone would be happy as to the fact that Cindy will not be able to raise Caylee is not very nice to say the least.
No one should be happy a child is dead and that is essentially what that statement says without actually saying the exact words.

[impartial]

IF the article had accompanying video to see exactly what LE stated, the statement carries more credibility, IMO. Did you see the raw video where LE described the results of the trunk hair to a female reporter. She tried to rephrase what was said about four times. On each interation he corrected her misunderstandings. Hopefully with recordings and desk checking, 100% accurary is reported but errors are often reported, IMO. Some internet versions are updated as discovered.
jmo

The article does not indicate that LE said it is a book ... the reporter said the photo's show a book, and LE commented the evidence came from the crime scene. LE specifically stated at the presser they were not going to be commenting on any of the evidence found at the scene.

I love the reports that state the ME declared it a murder ... the ME said homicide, the legal definition of homicide includes manslaughter.

IMO

[sunstar]

Unless they end up with a "bad" juror, I don't know how anybody can get past the fact that Casey never called the authorities about her missing child. If there is a reasonable excuse, I sure can't conjur it up.

Neither can I and add to that her general behavior during the month afterward, most importantly the trip to the video store the same evening Caylee was supposedly abducted. MOO

[Cury-us Coyote]

It did earlier, maybe you can go back and find my original post on that, though I have no idea what time it was. Maybe they are updating?

Crime scene open; another search warrant served at Anthony home
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=8115453


O/T the links ending in numbers 1, 2, 3 etc are only temporary while the article is on the front page.

[SavannahStar]

The article does not indicate that LE said it is a book ... the reporter said the photo's show a book, and LE commented the evidence came from the crime scene. LE specifically stated at the presser they were not going to be commenting on any of the evidence found at the scene.

I love the reports that state the ME declared it a murder ... the ME said homicide, the legal definition of homicide includes manslaughter.

IMO

As always, THE VOICE OF REASON!

:seeya:

[kitty1182]

Many times....when something is exposeed to water....if the water is stagnant....more properties are preserved of that object....If there was a flowing of that water.....it would be more destroyed....IMO.....we have yet to see what else was preserved from this crime scene.....and I am betting that there are lots of other items that we have yet to see.

I bet there is a lot we don't know about yet..

[OneUp]

I think the circus atmosphere was created when the LE felt it necessary to parade Casey out of her home, just in time for Nancy Grace, and her bombshell news. When she could have just as easily been surrendered without all the hoopla.
You know...I have always thought that LE chose that time to arrest and remove Casey from the home so that all of the "people" acting "nutso" in front of the Anthony home would be aware that Casey wasn't in residence any more. I think LE HOPED that if people knew Casey was gone and back in jail, that they'd give the Anthony's a little peace...things did always seem to quiet down when Casey was in jail again.
IMO, LE has always been very gracious and considerate of this family...even when heinous things were being suggested about specific officers and LE in general by the family.
I suppose, like everything else in this case, it's all in whether you look at things negatively or positively. I tend to provide LE with the benefit of the doubt in every case, as I believe MOST people who choose that profession really do want to help and to support good moral and legal values in their communities.
JMO.

[cassidy]

I bet there is a lot we don't know about yet..

Agreed. I think we have only seen the tip of the iceberg. There, at the very least, had to be something found to precipitate those search warrants. Judges don't issue those on a whim.

JMO

[Brattnt]

Hi bratt....I believe....that although caylee was very young...she seemed to have a big heard....a loving child....I think although she would not have yet understood the significance of underprivilege....she would have wanted to share with the other little kids who didn't have anything....IMO...

I agree with ya, however after what George and Cindy did the last time by throwing the stuff in the garbage, I have a hard time believing thats what the intent is, and it breaks my heart...:crying:....Perhaps if someone not affiliated with them were to do it, it would make me feel like the toys and such would go where they are needed...

JMO

[cassidy]

I suppose, like everything else in this case, it's all in whether you look at things negatively or positively. I tend to provide LE with the benefit of the doubt in every case, as I believe MOST people who choose that profession really do want to help and to support good moral and legal values in their communities.
JMO.


I agree. No matter how she was removed from that house it would have sparked controversy. I think they went with what they thought was best for all involved. And I don't think they tipped of Nancy Grace before they went there.

JMO

[martha]

I bet there is a lot we don't know about yet..
ITA with you. I think at trial we will hear a lot we have not heard yet.I am hoping it will clear up some of the things I have in my mind. One is Why did casey do this? if it was casey and I really think it was because of the trunk of the car.jmho

[Pebbles]

Coupled with the fact this wasn't the only case LE was working on. But as always, they are a convenient target. I can't imagine why anyone goes into law enforcement, to be honest. The job seems to be to clean up everyone else's mess, and then get blamed for anything and everything that goes wrong.

Just so typical in our society today. No personal responsibility. If something goes wrong in your life, make sure to run right out and find someone else to blame.



My husband is retired LE and my son is LE. The easiest way of explaining why they went into LE is because they want to "help people". Most people in LE are caring and hardworking, they put in many long hours and are working on holidays while you are home with your families. Unfortunately, even in LE, there are a few that do give these hard working men and women a bad name. But it is sad when the media and public try to find fault with the people in LE that are caring and give so much to help make each of us feel a little safer.

Think what are country would be like if we did not have people that risk their lives everyday to uphold the laws. As it is today, LE cannot keep up with all the crime, and as soon as a criminal is put in jail, they are let out back on the street. Many people today would have you believe that the criminals are the victims, which is making upholding the laws in our country that much more difficult.

If you get pulled over for speeding, believe me it is not because a quota has to be met. It is to protect you and the other people on the road from being in a serious accident or death. My son and husband have seen many, many people killed as the result of driving over the speed limit and losing control of their vehicle.

I don't think LE is enjoying the work they have to do regarding little Caylee. It is not about "pointing the finger at Casey", but it is about making sure little Caylee receives justice for having her life taken away at such a young age.

[martha]

I agree with ya, however after what George and Cindy did the last time by throwing the stuff in the garbage, I have a hard time believing thats what the intent is, and it breaks my heart...:crying:....Perhaps if someone not affiliated with them were to do it, it would make me feel like the toys and such would go where they are needed...

JMOITA with you it broke my heart to see g throw that stuff in the garb.jmho

[courtsinsession]

I think when Cindy made that call about Caylee missing, she was really really angry at Casey and very worried about Caylee; I think that was the only time you saw her real gut emotional reaction to the situation. Then you hear her talking to Casey in jail and Casey being snarky and swearing and saying she wanted to talk to Tony; At this point Cindy was probably really po'd and wondering what the heck was going on; I think the potential realization that Casey harmed Caylee was too much for her to bear and her defenses kicked in along with denial, which is so unfortunate. I believe that she and George have probably lied (obstructed justice) and they well be indicted for this; I just cant bring myself to hate the Anthonys because you can see how much they both loved that child; their hearts are forever broken; they will never ever heal. you know they are older, soon to go into their golden years; they expected to watch Caylee grow up into a lovely young lady- now they won't have that; i don't know how anyone cannot feel so sad for them. Nevertheless, if they did in fact obstruct justice, they must pay the price.

[impartial]

As always, THE VOICE OF REASON!

:seeya:

Hi SS :seeya:


I'm concerned about LE asking for George and Cindy's fingerprints after the discovery of the bag/remains/duct tape. They have Casey's prints, why are they asking for other fingerprints? Did they find prints that don't match Casey's?

IMO

[kitty1182]

ITA with you. I think at trial we will hear a lot we have not heard yet.I am hoping it will clear up some of the things I have in my mind. One is Why did casey do this? if it was casey and I really think it was because of the trunk of the car.jmho

I would bet everything she did it....If she hadn't her actions would have been a lot different for one thing...And of course, the trunk...:wink:

[cassidy]

I agree with ya, however after what George and Cindy did the last time by throwing the stuff in the garbage, I have a hard time believing thats what the intent is, and it breaks my heart...:crying:....Perhaps if someone not affiliated with them were to do it, it would make me feel like the toys and such would go where they are needed...

JMO

And run the risk of the Anthony's saying that someone was "stealing" things that were left for Caylee? It's a no win situation. while the memorial is a nice gesture and draws attention, the best thing people could do is donate to a charity of their choice in memory of Caylee.

JMO

[kitty1182]

I agree with ya, however after what George and Cindy did the last time by throwing the stuff in the garbage, I have a hard time believing thats what the intent is, and it breaks my heart...:crying:....Perhaps if someone not affiliated with them were to do it, it would make me feel like the toys and such would go where they are needed...

JMO

I agree Sissy...Someone on the outside should do it....The Salvation Army could come and get them and give to kids that won't have anything for Christmas..I think Caylee would like that..
I say leave the flowers there though..

[Dunlurken]

And run the risk of the Anthony's saying that someone was "stealing" things that were left for Caylee? It's a no win situation. while the memorial is a nice gesture and draws attention, the best thing people could do is donate to a charity of their choice in memory of Caylee.

JMO

Now, why would they do that? Give stuff to a charity? I mean the Anthony's. Why give stuff to a charity?

[cassidy]

I agree with ya, however after what George and Cindy did the last time by throwing the stuff in the garbage, I have a hard time believing thats what the intent is, and it breaks my heart...:crying:....Perhaps if someone not affiliated with them were to do it, it would make me feel like the toys and such would go where they are needed...

JMO

another thought. Perhaps they could give permission to someone from the Salvation Army or Toys for Tots to go there and distribute the toys? Can't see who'd have a problem with that?

[kitty1182]

another thought. Perhaps they could give permission to someone from the Salvation Army or Toys for Tots to go there and distribute the toys? Can't see who'd have a problem with that?

I agree...I believe Caylee would love to know some kids would have a gift under their tree for Christmas, when otherwise, that might not have had one..

[steffaroob4]

What did Conway say in his statement?

[sunstar]

Not sure if this has been posted yet...

There were some tense moments on Saturday at the memorial for Caylee at the crime scene that's filled with stuffed animals.

People became furious after a freelance producer said he was going to remove all the toys and gifts from the scene.

"This is so wrong and we will not let you take it," said a person at the memorial.

Skip Davis said he would take the toys to a home for underprivileged children in Orlando. He said the Anthony family asked him to do it.

Even though Davis said he would take the gifts, after the altercation with the crowd of onlookers, he left without taking anything.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18318021/detail.html
A freelance producer of what and how is he involved with the family? A movie deal or something? :confused: MOO

[impartial]

To exclude them?

They wouldn't need to exclude anybody else if all the prints they found match Casey's. They would only need to have other people's fingerprints if they found prints that are not a match to Casey.

IMO

[cassidy]

Now, why would they do that? Give stuff to a charity? I mean the Anthony's. Why give stuff to a charity? I think that's what they did try to do. At least that's what was reported that the person trying to remove the toys said? Maybe they learned form the last time they threw out the gifts sent for Caylee. At least I hope they did.

JMO

[SavannahStar]

Hi SS :seeya:


I'm concerned about LE asking for George and Cindy's fingerprints after the discovery of the bag/remains/duct tape. They have Casey's prints, why are they asking for other fingerprints? Did they find prints that don't match Casey's?

IMO


Seems so!

(Although I have also read that LE HAS NOT CONFIRMED ANY DUCT TAPE WAS FOUND. :ohmy:)

[bchand]

I agree with ya, however after what George and Cindy did the last time by throwing the stuff in the garbage, I have a hard time believing thats what the intent is, and it breaks my heart...:crying:....Perhaps if someone not affiliated with them were to do it, it would make me feel like the toys and such would go where they are needed...

JMO

That's exactly right Brattnt. The Anthony's had the right to clear the memorial in front of their house IMO, (although it made Lee look ridiculous as usual) but when they send someone to clear the other one...it didn't look right.

1. It's not their property
2. From experience, people feel it will go in the trash
3. Who is this "freelance producer" who said the Anthony's sent him?

What is he producing?

[SavannahStar]

Thank you for that post, Pebbles. It's important to hear from LE and their families. It balances out the voices of those who assume that most perps aren't guilty and LE, somehow, are.

Lucky me, I've never run across ANYONE in my life who assumes that most perps aren't guilty but LE is. Holy cow. What kind of people do you run across? That really shocks me.

[sunstar]

Now, why would they do that? Give stuff to a charity? I mean the Anthony's. Why give stuff to a charity?

I know what you mean. It does seem a little odd after they threw away all the other stuffed animals months ago. :sad: MOO

[Dunlurken]

I think that's what they did try to do. At least that's what was reported that the person trying to remove the toys said? Maybe they learned form the last time they threw out the gifts sent for Caylee. At least I hope they did.

JMO

We will never know the true facts about this case until it goes to trial. It's a whopper, this case, and I don't understand the Anthony's at all. Don't pretend to. I do think they need to be left alone to grieve for Caylee during this Christmas time.

If someone feels the need to set up a memorial site IHO Caylee, they should contact LE and get a permit. Then those of us who would like to donate unused toys could send some there.

[Dunlurken]

I know what you mean. It does seem a little odd after they threw away all the other stuffed animals months ago. :sad: MOO
They smelled like smoke. Only new, unused toys should be given to a charity at Christmas. As someone said Toys for Tots, etc. In Caylee's name. JMO.

[Brattnt]

did they really throw the memorial in front of their house in the garbage???...I hadn't read that....but Im not at home and can only read and post in-between times...I saw where Lee acted atrociously at that scene in front of the house and removed the memorial....but...


I can't see them throwing those things away...



On another subject: Did they have another PC on the Anthony case today....I read upthread that they were supposed to...but I couldnt find anything.

NP Niki...Yes, they did throw stuff away...Not sure about the memorial that Lee removed, but back in Aug. or Sept. not sure which month, George took a whole garbage bag full of stuffed animals and stuff that people had sent to the Anthony's and threw them in the garbage...It was pretty sad...He said they smelled like cigarette smoke, but I dont believe that...

JMO

[Remy]

I can't help thinking about Cindy in the interview with Yuri Melich. Near the end, they were talking about looking for Caylee, and she wailed to him, "but are you looking for a live Caylee or a dead Caylee?" Yuri said to her "We're looking for Caylee." She might have been as annoying as hell in the rest of that interview, but at that moment she was showing her raw emotions, and it was very sad, indeed. She could not bear talking about anything but the search for a live Caylee, as if that kept her alive. She was teetering on the edge, living in this fantasy, and the defendant has indeed manipulated that need.

Now that the defendant can no longer play that fantasy card, I wonder what will happen.

Barskin, I think about that interview and it breaks my heart. Then she said in another interview "why would Casey lie to her family about Caylee being alive" (not exact quote) and I truly believe Cindy couldn't fathom Casey lying to her and hurting her to the extent she did. moo

[steffaroob4]

Sunday, Dec. 21
3:21 p.m.
Brad Conway is now speaking outside of the Anthony family home.

2:55 p.m.
George and Cindy Anthony's attorney Brad Conway is set to make a statement outside of the family home at 3 p.m.


I missed it, can someone tell me what he said?

[Cury-us Coyote]

WESH article updated

The Aftermath:

There were some tense moments on Saturday at the memorial for Caylee at the crime scene that's filled with stuffed animals.

People became furious after a freelance producer said he was going to remove all the toys and gifts from the scene.

"This is so wrong and we will not let you take it," said a person at the memorial.

Skip Davis said he would take the toys to a home for underprivileged children in Orlando. He said the Anthony family asked him to do it.

Even though Davis said he would take the gifts, after the altercation with the crowd of onlookers, he left without taking anything.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18318021/detail.html

[kitty1182]

Sunday, Dec. 21
3:21 p.m.
Brad Conway is now speaking outside of the Anthony family home.

2:55 p.m.
George and Cindy Anthony's attorney Brad Conway is set to make a statement outside of the family home at 3 p.m.


I missed it, can someone tell me what he said?

Dang, I have no idea.....

[5boxersmom]

That's exactly right Brattnt. The Anthony's had the right to clear the memorial in front of their house IMO, (although it made Lee look ridiculous as usual) but when they send someone to clear the other one...it didn't look right.

1. It's not their property
2. From experience, people feel it will go in the trash
3. Who is this "freelance producer" who said the Anthony's sent him?

What is he producing?

These people seem to be coming out of the woodwork. Geez.

Why would you want a producer around in your time of mourning?

[tootie]

They need to leave the memorial alone. It is not on their property and it isn't hurting anything.

[Dunlurken]

I don't disagree that donating to a toy charity is a wonderful gesture, but I think many people feel a compelling need to leave something for Caylee, and only Caylee, at the place where her little remains were discovered.



snipped to address. Why leave their unwanted, used toys at the crime scene? What am I missing here?