Saturday, Dec 20th EVENING, Part 3

[Sweetly]

:smile: Here ya go, everyone..... I am enjoying the mellowness of the thread tonite. Very reflective of my heart, still healing from losing our precious Caylee... :crying:

[CNTM]

:smile: Here ya go, everyone..... I am enjoying the mellowness of the thread tonite. Very reflective of my heart, still healing from losing our precious Caylee... :crying:


It's strange that we, as strangers have to have time to heal, but her own Mother had to have time to party!

[?noanswer]

PK describing today's activities. Geraldo thinks they are getting ready to indict GPS. JMO

[sunstar]

Geraldo's showing photos of the memorials being left for Caylee, along with Phil Keating reporting on the search of the Anthony's house this afternoon, showing CSI carrying boxes out of the house. Geraldo believes LE is getting ready to indict George & Cindy. :scared: He's also talking about the utility workers repeated calls in August, saying police handling of the case raises more questions than answers. He's also going to talk with Baez & LKB. Jose saying he advised LE several days ago he wouldn't be going to the scene it wasn't a sudden decision not to go there.

[zap3]

Who is GPS?

[tybek]

Rolling this forward from the last thread as I posted right before it closed:


Quote:
Originally Posted by ?noanswer
If they continue with any one of the "nanny" storys, they will lose big time. I think they may go with "accident" or try to blame it on Cindy. JMO

They def. have to change strategy...I think the best they can do is to say "Yes, Casey was involved in Caylee's death but here is why she isn't guilty of murder." Which does lead to accident, or that she was pushed to the brink of insanity because of what Cindy or George did to her (abuse), etc...

I have a friend who is an incredibly successful public defender attorney (went 3 years straight without losing a case) and her tactic is to never insult a jury's intelligence, to approach cases from the perspective of "OK, he did it" from the onset, and then to work on why the person should be found not be found guilty by law DESPITE the fact that they did it. I think this is the best Casey's team could do at this point. Really, they should be working on a reduced sentence, IMO, because she won't be getting off and they should know that. Not unless there is some serious abuse from the Anthony's that we haven't had a hint of so far that would make a jury believe that one of them besides Casey may have murdered Caylee. JMO

[Freefall]

Who is GPS?

Grandparents - Cindy & George

[sunstar]

WHAT? Did Geraldo say what he thinks it will be for?

No he didn't yet.

[tybek]

I thought we got shut down!

Me too, that thread was closed fast. Usually it takes a bit longer before the thread is closed...CW is on top of things tonite!

[?noanswer]

JB & LKB on Geraldo. Told LE a couple of days ago, they didn't want to do crime scene. Raid on house disappointing. Should not have done a couple of days after announment. Think that had a days before.

Geraldo tells LKB thinks LE trying to bolster case. LKB - It was no surprise that they would not look at scene. It has totally changed.

Everything going too fast. I can't keep up.

Geraldo did mention something about searching medicine cabinet. Don't know where he got that. JMO

[Mayasmimi]

WHAT? Did Geraldo say what he thinks it will be for?

Wasn't paying too much attention. Obstruction...I believe.

[stef]

Did Geraldo just slip on some inside info Baez gave him about the medicine cabinet?

[Sweetly]

I thought we got shut down!

Nope, CW just responded to my msg to close part 2 and stick part 3 with lightening speed! :tongue:

[Mayasmimi]

This new attorney on Geraldo is making my ears bleed.

[Janz]

No he didn't yet.

He said obstruction.

[Cove]

It's strange that we, as strangers have to have time to heal, but her own Mother had to have time to party!

I agree, it's a welcome to come to a more mellow thread tonight. B/c as you say, many here are heart-weary over this case. But not her own mama. Shocking, as you point out.

And, if there is anything that has convinced me beyond shadow of doubt that it was FIRST degree murder: her post death behavior. Case closed.

[True2Blues]

JB & LKB on Geraldo. Told LE a couple of days ago, they didn't want to do crime scene. Raid on house disappointing. Should not have done a couple of days after announment. Think that had a days before.

Geraldo tells LKB thinks LE trying to bolster case. LKB - It was no surprise that they would not look at scene. It has totally changed.

Everything going too fast. I can't keep up.

Geraldo did mention something about searching medicine cabinet. Don't know where he got that. JMO

I think Geraldo is too involved with JB to be reporting on this case. He's lost all of his journalistic credibility anyway, but he's just too wrapped up in Baez. I have to say, the JB charm has passed me by, but to each their own.

[sunstar]

This new attorney on Geraldo is making my ears bleed.

I don't like him at all picking on the medical examiner's findings. :cursing: On a lighter note, did I hear correctly that JB just admitted he has an unpopular client? :scared:

[?noanswer]

Who is GPS?


Grandparents. JMO

[sunstar]

He said obstruction.

Oh thank you, I guess I missed it while I was typing. :sad:

[True2Blues]

This new attorney on Geraldo is making my ears bleed.

That's LKB, right? I'm not watching, but that braying voice and her tendency to talk at full volume, make me think it's her you mean.

[CNTM]

I agree, it's a welcome to come to a more mellow thread tonight. B/c as you say, many here are heart-weary over this case. But not her own mama. Shocking, as you point out.

And, if there is anything that has convinced me beyond shadow of doubt that it was FIRST degree murder: her post death behavior. Case closed.

Her post death behavior is so telling.:thumbdown:

[True2Blues]

JB never charmed me.

It's good to know I'm not alone.

[Janz]

Oh thank you, I guess I missed it while I was typing. :sad:

YW, he must have been whining to Geraldo about CA`s medicine cabinet..... Boy oh boy is Baez stoopid or what??

[Mayasmimi]

I agree, it's a welcome to come to a more mellow thread tonight. B/c as you say, many here are heart-weary over this case. But not her own mama. Shocking, as you point out.

And, if there is anything that has convinced me beyond shadow of doubt that it was FIRST degree murder: her post death behavior. Case closed.


Haven't been on here much lately, but have been through several cases since joining in early 2003. The board is mellow. Someone said some people are taking a time out until Monday.

Me....lethargic yesterday and today. Can't imagine how the Anthony's are doing. Regardless of their earlier actions. So sad.

[trich]

JB never charmed me.

IMO Geraldo and Baez are a good pair.
Neither o ne is trustworthy as far as I am concerned.

[?noanswer]

Geraldo telling JB all the messages he gets that don't like KC or JB. JB - everyone entitled to a defense. If evidence there, she should be convicted, if not, no convict. JMO

[True2Blues]

YW, he must have been whining to Geraldo about CA`s medicine cabinet..... Boy oh boy is Baez stoopid or what??

He's never struck me as the brightest bulb on the string either.

[?noanswer]

What was said about the medicine cabinet?

Out of the blue Geraldo said something about searching CA's medicine cabinet. Did not elaborate. JMO

[CNTM]

I don't think she ruled it homicide just based on Casey's behavior. It was also based on the way the remains were found, in a bag, in the woods, with duct tape possibly around the mouth.

ITA, there are many details they won't release to the public until the trial.

[Janz]

What was said about the medicine cabinet?

Something about pictures being taken of the cabinet, and wondering if they were looking for Xanax. Of course then Geraldo, thinks the state is grasping for straws.....

[Cury-us Coyote]

What was said about the medicine cabinet?

IIRC, GR alleged during one of the searches CSI took pictures of CinA's medicine cabinet.
jmo

[Danette44]

Not Staying - I didn't state a web cam at her house I stated a "Video Camera", on Dr. Henry Lee, when he checks out the crime scene......imo he is a slyfox! Geraldo is on and he is a joke......he is all for JB......love it with Jeannie the judge on it.....now a psyphic has video to prove they knew where the body was........oh brother, in reality this should be helping the defense team......no cause of death with just bones. Need to go to Mars for a jury......Geraldo says.....

[RiverWalk]

Well.. the ME did rule it a homicide based on Casey behavior.

Incorrect.

http://news.google.com/news?client=safari&rls=en&q=Caylee+%22Dr.+G%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&hl=en&sa=X&oi=news_result&resnum=1&ct=title

[?noanswer]

Are you telling me that Jose Baez said this???

Yes. Just now Geraldo read a couple of messages about JB to JB. JB's face started turning red. JMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

Out of the blue Geraldo said something about searching CA's medicine cabinet. Did not elaborate. JMO

IMO, GR is the defense version of NG.
jmo

[?noanswer]

Gale St. John - Searched spot 4 mos ago (8-11). Did not see anything. It was highly covered with trees and water. Water nearly up to knees. Know not to go in and destroy property. Also illegal to go on property. It was same place. It was feelings and where it took her. JMO

[Oregongal]

Geez, I hate it when I miss the bus....while I'm posting.
Carrying over my reply from the last thread. Hope ya'll don't mind.

I'm thinking Cindy & George will play-act at truthfulness where it might benefit them. READ: movie & book deals, staying in grand expensive hotels, dining in expensive restaurants at other's expense.

They had their prime chance at truth 6 mos. ago. If their grandaughter going missing and dead body smell that turned out to be her decomposed DNA didn't snap them out of their lies nothing will now I don't believe.

Someone here had a signature line They drew straws and Caylee is out

That's it in a nutshell.

Pity the soul that gives themselves over to greed.

There is all that too.
But, that all came before there was no hope left for them.
As long as there was a tiny chance that they thought Casey could have been telling them the truth, they may have gone into some sort of psychological zone where they could deny to themselves all they thought at the beginning, the smell, the lies they most likely knew Casey was telling to fend off those intial thoughts and feelings. Now that Caylee has been officially declared dead, they may have gone back to those initial feelings and thoughts and have been rethinking things.
Believe me, I am not making excuses for them, I'm just trying to look at the whole mind thing that they may have and are going thru.
I'm also remembering that when they seemed to be looking for $$, that was before the absolute, definintive proof came that Caylee was dead.
Yes, I thought greed on their part, still do, yet after this devastating news they may have totally lost sight of that and now want answers and truth.
In other words, the truth, the facts may have stripped them of all they were working on and behaving as.
Sometimes when the truth smacks you in the face you forget everything you've said and done.
Again, I am not making excuses or defending them. Just thinking out loud here. I know from my own experience that when a death of a close family member comes, everything else goes out the window.
Everything. Nothing else matters but how you are feeling with that loss. That's all you can think of and maybe they are in that place right now.
I say maybe because I still cannot wrap my mind around how the way this family works. I don't know if they may be still thinking Casey is innocent and looking for more $$. The fact they didn't mention Casey at all in their statement says to me that maybe a shift has happened in their thinking and motivations.
As I said, just thinking out loud here.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Has anyone seen tire paths like the GstJ is showing in the forested area at the discovery site?

[True2Blues]

IMO, GR is the defense version of NG.
jmo

And yet, he was a real journalist once. It's a darn shame to see how corrupted and useless he's become. I wouldn't take his word for anything now. I can't stand to watch him either.

[?noanswer]

IMO, GR is the defense version of NG.
jmo

I agree. I guess Fox is Defense, CNN Prosecution! JMO

[SwFlorida]

I can offer a theory on that! If Cindy had been seeing a psychiatrist for depression and was taking anti-depressants, she may have had some anti-anxiety meds too........Xanax????
And if Cindy didn't have any Xanax is so easy to get off the street.

[Mayasmimi]

Looking at the Body Crime Scene today and comparing them with video of the scene back in August, I can understand why Caylee was not found. Kudzu would have very easily hidden the bag.

[*MoonRider*]

Geraldo was talking about the letters HE received, and said he can't imagine the kind of letters that Jose must be getting. The first thing I thought was about all the posters who emailed Geraldo yesterday.
I was one.:seeya:

[stef]

Somebody tell geraldo he wasn't supposed to show the dirt road with Gale's clip, he screwed up the whole thing. So, is that the area she found and posted about that her dogs found something and LE was on the scene, oh wait.. those were animal bones.
Why are we wasting time on Gale, argh:cursing:

FYI-I have seen over 20 maps with that area circled on sites.

[SwFlorida]

Gale St. John - Searched spot 4 mos ago (8-11). Did not see anything. It was highly covered with trees and water. Water nearly up to knees. Know not to go in and destroy property. Also illegal to go on property. It was same place. It was feelings and where it took her. JMO

The underbrush, grass and vines were thick.

[sunstar]

That's LKB, right? I'm not watching, but that braying voice and her tendency to talk at full volume, make me think it's her you mean.

I was thinking of the defense attorney he has as a guest, the one who isn't part of this case. MOO

[Mayasmimi]

I agree. I guess Fox is Defense, CNN Prosecution! JMO


IMO....that's a flip/flop from the usual. Wow.

[RiverWalk]

Has anyone seen tire paths like the GstJ is showing in the forested area at the discovery site?

NOPE. Not the same area, imo. Bushes, brush, palmetto fronds do not make the same area. Gale has her own set of problems.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Somebody tell geraldo he wasn't supposed to show the dirt road with Gale's clip, he screwed up the whole thing. So, is that the area she found and posted about that her dogs found something and LE was on the scene, oh wait.. those were animal bones.
Why are we wasting time on Gale, argh:cursing:

FYI-I have seen over 20 maps with that area circled on sites.

Those who follow the case closely will know that, others will NOT.
jmo

[True2Blues]

I can't answer that. I wasn't there. But there could be many reasons. I'm not excusing Casey and her behavior, but if she didn't commit intentional murder, she shouldn't be convicted of intentional murder. imo


First degree murder isn't always intentional murder. If Caylee died while Casey was committing a felony, like aggravated child abuse, then it's still first degree and still DP eligible.

[MrsHudson]

Quote:
Originally Posted by trigger View Post
Leonard P. said that Cindy and Casey had a argument and she put her hands around her neck and choked Casey. It was on NG. I have no link at this time. Ill try to get it tomorow.
If I remember correctly Lee stated that too in one of his interviews.
He told of his mom choking Casey....Again I think I am right.
__________________
NEVER RUN FASTER THAN YOUR GUARDIAN ANGEL CAN FLY!

Yes that is my recollection too. Lee told LE that his mom choked Casey during the fight. I remember it because when Padilla told it on NG I was skeptical and then I was surprised when the facts bore him out.

[sunstar]

Are you telling me that Jose Baez said this???

I heard him too! :scared:

[ilovemylife]

I can't answer that. I wasn't there. But there could be many reasons. I'm not excusing Casey and her behavior, but if she didn't commit intentional murder, she shouldn't be convicted of intentional murder. imo

I agree, however, if it wasn't intentional I would think she'd be consumed with guilt and it would eat away at her that she accidently harmed her beloved daughter and she'd crack. But that's just NOT THE CASE, in my opinion. Whatever happened was deliberate, IMO.

[stef]

Has anyone seen tire paths like the GstJ is showing in the forested area at the discovery site?

There are dirt bike trails by school, but I think that area is now fenced in.

[True2Blues]

I was thinking of the defense attorney he has as a guest, the one who isn't part of this case. MOO

Oh, that's even worse! Two ear splitting attorneys. I'm glad I'm not watching.

[RiverWalk]

Quote:
Originally Posted by trigger View Post
Leonard P. said that Cindy and Casey had a argument and she put her hands around her neck and choked Casey. It was on NG. I have no link at this time. Ill try to get it tomorow.
If I remember correctly Lee stated that too in one of his interviews.
He told of his mom choking Casey....Again I think I am right.
__________________
NEVER RUN FASTER THAN YOUR GUARDIAN ANGEL CAN FLY!

Yes that is my recollection too. Lee told LE that his mom choked Casey during the fight. I remember it because when Padilla told it on NG I was skeptical and then I was surprised when the facts bore him out.

I posted the transcript on the closed thread of LP saying this.

[SwFlorida]

ahhhhh.. I dont like them showing a skull besides Caylee's picture. :scared:

[?noanswer]

Baden saying should know who father is. That could be important.

Geraldo thinks have a hard time with Murder 1.

JB says has not been informed if DP is going to brougt back. Still have to prove with same criteria.

Baden saying Forensic dentist should have made an id right away. Baden says he doesn't agree they will never know cause of death. Should not have said that COD was undetermined. Should have waited for Tox tests. If find cholorform, that will be cause of death. JMO

[bluwaters]

Please Light a Candle for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose::rose::rose:

[llylabrat]

uh oh. dr baden might be in the doghouse when he gets home. he was saying cause of death could be determined due to chloroform in the trunk etc. i don't think the mrs. will appreciate that!

[Mayasmimi]

And now....back to Blago.

[Freefall]

Yes, I know that. But if Casey died by accidental drowning, if Casey was going to the bathroom or something.. that wouldn't be an intentional murder. Her behavior afterwards would justify criminal charges, but not murder.

Then it's up to Casey now to come forward with her version of events and convince a jury otherwise.

[Oregongal]

And yet, he was a real journalist once. It's a darn shame to see how corrupted and useless he's become. I wouldn't take his word for anything now. I can't stand to watch him either.

I remember that True. He used to be on the good guys side, chasing down and investigating the bad guys.
I don't get Fox so don't watch him, but if I did, I wouldn't watch. What I hear on here and thru other news about him, I feel the same as you.
Too bad, he used to be dang good at what he did.

[*MoonRider*]

ahhhhh.. I dont like them showing a skull besides Caylee's picture. :scared:

Me either. It was an adult skull with a bullet hole. Not appropriate IMO

[sunstar]

Oh, that's even worse! Two ear splitting attorneys. I'm glad I'm not watching.

This guy I'm talking about was really defensive of Casey even saying Caylee could've gotten into antifreeze in the garage and Casey just disposed of her body and something about in NY it would be a $50. fine. :cursing:

[MerriMent]

I can't answer that. I wasn't there. But there could be many reasons. I'm not excusing Casey and her behavior, but if she didn't commit intentional murder, she shouldn't be convicted of intentional murder. imo

Casey will be convicted on evidence. You really think a jury will conclude she was responsible but it was unintentional? How is that even possible? Actions have consequences and Casey was given ample opportunity to tell the truth.

[True2Blues]

Yes, I know that. But if Casey died by accidental drowning, if Casey was going to the bathroom or something.. that wouldn't be an intentional murder. Her behavior afterwards would justify criminal charges, but not murder.

I guess that's just a matter of opinion. If it were an accident, she would have called 911. There is no reason not to have summoned help. I believe it was deliberate, myself.

[kitty1182]

uh oh. Dr baden might be in the doghouse when he gets home. He was saying cause of death could be determined due to chloroform in the trunk etc. I don't think the mrs. Will appreciate that!

lol............

[Mayasmimi]

I apologize for asking if this question has already been answered. So, it takes two to make a child. As I understand, Caylee's "father" died in an auto accident more than a year ago. Do yall know that for sure? I can't help but wonder why the paternal relatives haven't jumped all over this.

[Remy]

Do tell! I don't get Geraldo!

I don't either so as much info as possible please!?:smile:

[Freefall]

Casey will be convicted on evidence. You really think a jury will conclude she was responsible but it was unintentional? How is that even possible? Actions have consequences and Casey was given ample opportunity to tell the truth.

Exactly. Good post.

[Oregongal]

Looking at the Body Crime Scene today and comparing them with video of the scene back in August, I can understand why Caylee was not found. Kudzu would have very easily hidden the bag.

So true Maya, my dd and I went thru all the photos today and seeing the photos of before they started clearing out all that foliage helped us understand so much more of how she wasn't found.
It just saddens me that she was so close, yet so far.

[?noanswer]

Then it's up to Casey now to come forward with her version of events and convince a jury otherwise.

I left her under the stairs at the nanny's apt., oh oh no, She took her from me at Blanchard, oh oh, no The nanny is still in the hospital and Caylee is staying at the hotel with Zanny's sister.


JMO

[MrsHudson]

Well.. the ME did rule it a homicide based on Casey behavior. She had no medical basis for her opinion. I think the attorney makes a very good point.

The child was in a bag in a field with duct tape on her skull. Do you do that to someone who dies of a disease or an accident?

[MoonFlwr]

Would Dr G's choice to rule it a homicide have to do with ensuring that the murder charge sticks? (I seem to remember someone[?] mentioning that!?)

[sunstar]

Baden saying should know who father is. That could be important.

Geraldo thinks have a hard time with Murder 1.

JB says has not been informed if DP is going to brougt back. Still have to prove with same criteria.

Baden saying Forensic dentist should have made an id right away. Baden says he doesn't agree they will never know cause of death. Should not have said that COD was undetermined. Should have waited for Tox tests. If find cholorform, that will be cause of death. JMO

I don't see why it's important who Caylee's father is since it doesn't seem he was involved at all in her life or could've killed her. And didn't the ME say the death certificate could be amended if the toxicology tests determine the cause of death? I know I heard that somewhere last night. :confused: I still have problems with some of Dr. Baden's statements knowing he is married to one of Casey's defense lawyers! MOO

[True2Blues]

This guy I'm talking about was really defensive of Casey even saying Caylee could've gotten into antifreeze in the garage and Casey just disposed of her body and something about in NY it would be a $50. fine. :cursing:

He sounds like a real brainbox. I'm so sure that NY just hands out $50.00 fines if your child dies and you don't report it. Some of these "Attorney" guests say the strangest and most unrealistic things.

[Mayasmimi]

This guy I'm talking about was really defensive of Casey even saying Caylee could've gotten into antifreeze in the garage and Casey just disposed of her body and something about in NY it would be a $50. fine. :cursing:

I heard it. Unfreakingbelievable.

[Oregongal]

I was one.:seeya:

:thumbsup:

[Freefall]

I left her under the stairs at the nanny's apt., oh oh no, She took her from me at Blanchard, oh oh, no The nanny is still in the hospital and Caylee is staying at the hotel with Zanny's sister.


JMO

LOL...I didn't say she would be convincing....

[?noanswer]

Casey will be convicted on evidence. You really think a jury will conclude she was responsible but it was unintentional? How is that even possible? Actions have consequences and Casey was given ample opportunity to tell the truth.

Some of the best evidence against "accidental death" is KC's behavior after it happened. JMO

[Not staying]

Geez, I hate it when I miss the bus....while I'm posting.
Carrying over my reply from the last thread. Hope ya'll don't mind.



There is all that too.
But, that all came before there was no hope left for them.
As long as there was a tiny chance that they thought Casey could have been telling them the truth, they may have gone into some sort of psychological zone where they could deny to themselves all they thought at the beginning, the smell, the lies they most likely knew Casey was telling to fend off those intial thoughts and feelings. Now that Caylee has been officially declared dead, they may have gone back to those initial feelings and thoughts and have been rethinking things.

Believe me, I am not making excuses for them, I'm just trying to look at the whole mind thing that they may have and are going thru.
I'm also remembering that when they seemed to be looking for $$, that was before the absolute, definintive proof came that Caylee was dead.
Yes, I thought greed on their part, still do, yet after this devastating news they may have totally lost sight of that and now want answers and truth.
In other words, the truth, the facts may have stripped them of all they were working on and behaving as.
Sometimes when the truth smacks you in the face you forget everything you've said and done.
Again, I am not making excuses or defending them. Just thinking out loud here. I know from my own experience that when a death of a close family member comes, everything else goes out the window.
Everything. Nothing else matters but how you are feeling with that loss. That's all you can think of and maybe they are in that place right now.
I say maybe because I still cannot wrap my mind around how the way this family works. I don't know if they may be still thinking Casey is innocent and looking for more $$. The fact they didn't mention Casey at all in their statement says to me that maybe a shift has happened in their thinking and motivations.
As I said, just thinking out loud here.


Nice post. I think they wanted money to look for Caylee and that's it. They really seem to be cooperating, who cares that they believed she was alive. I would too, I could wrap my mind anything except this.

[?noanswer]

I apologize for asking if this question has already been answered. So, it takes two to make a child. As I understand, Caylee's "father" died in an auto accident more than a year ago. Do yall know that for sure? I can't help but wonder why the paternal relatives haven't jumped all over this.

There is nothing known for sure about Caylee's father. If LE knows they are not telling. JMO

[MerriMent]

I am hopeful she will be conviced on the evidence, not on the rumors. If they can prove it was an intentional murder, then Casey should be convicted of that. If they can't, then she shouldn't.

I think the duct tape, bag, disposal of the body as if it was trash, Casey's never reporting it and her lies to cover it up are all convincing evidence of intentional murder.

[CNTM]

The child was in a bag in a field with duct tape on her skull. Do you do that to someone who dies of a disease or an accident?

Loving, caring Mothers DO NOT! But then again, we're talkin' Casey here!

[sunstar]

He sounds like a real brainbox. I'm so sure that NY just hands out $50.00 fines if your child dies and you don't report it. Some of these "Attorney" guests say the strangest and most unrealistic things.

It's really too bad he's not representing Casey. ;)

[Freefall]

Actually, it's not. The burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove their case.

Which I think they will do in spite of all the noise from the defence.

[llylabrat]

Would Dr G's choice to rule it a homicide have to do with ensuring that the murder charge sticks? (I seem to remember someone[?] mentioning that!?)


What were the options? accident, suicide, illness or natural death, and homicide. there is no evidence to support the 1st three, so that leaves the unexplained death of a 2-year-old a homicide.

[stef]

Cury, do you think that yellow thing on the ground could be some type of street sign, like a fasten you seat belt/duck crossing sign?

[MerriMent]

Some of the best evidence against "accidental death" is KC's behavior after it happened. JMO

Yeah, I think total silence for over a month and never looking for her daughter are compelling evidence of intentional homicide.

[True2Blues]

I apologize for asking if this question has already been answered. So, it takes two to make a child. As I understand, Caylee's "father" died in an auto accident more than a year ago. Do yall know that for sure? I can't help but wonder why the paternal relatives haven't jumped all over this.

Actually, there's no evidence that the man Casey told Cindy was the father (after finding an obituary for him) ever met Casey. They have some blood or tissue from him I believe. I don't think Casey knew which of the nameless, faceless, many it was.

[?noanswer]

Would Dr G's choice to rule it a homicide have to do with ensuring that the murder charge sticks? (I seem to remember someone[?] mentioning that!?)

I think there are only a few things that can be ruled as cause of death. Homicide, accident, normal like old age?, unknown. JMO

[trich]

IMO....that's a flip/flop from the usual. Wow.

I agree...and I sent emails to Fox telling them I was disgusted that they
even had Geraldo on their network.
he has been a disgrace ever since Desert Storm.

[Danette44]

If they go back and listen to LKL when Cindy and George was on it.....she states very clearly......if there was any accident Casey would be calling 911 right away, she was a great Mother, anytime she had a scratch, she would panic.....with that statement from the parents tells me it's no accident then. I swear the parents comments - statements alone would put her away. Jose cracks me up, he is afraid to cut the LE down, he will have his day in court, and prove LE did alot of wrong doing. I feel Jose is the one that is causing alot of trouble for Casey - I bet he is telling her do it my way and you will walk. Thats why no family visits, and watch and see - the pastor won't be allowed back. They need to put the DP back on and then turn it over to LKB, heck none of the Dream Team has even met Casey yet.......JB is keeping her under wrap! JMOO

[MerriMent]

Actually thats only evidence of bad behavior, and poor judgement.

it's evidence of consciousness of guilt.

[stef]

Anyone have a link for Gale's video????

[True2Blues]

Actually thats only evidence of bad behavior, and poor judgement.

It's also evidence of intentional lying to LE in an effort to obstruct justice. They caught her in many, many, lies.

[Cove]

I can't answer that. I wasn't there. But there could be many reasons. I'm not excusing Casey and her behavior, but if she didn't commit intentional murder, she shouldn't be convicted of intentional murder. imo

Not to be argumentative, but I honestly cannot come up with a single reason why she'd be in a garbage bag, duct-taped, tossed in a ditch, left rotting among vermin for 6 months, while mama wears a "Where's Caylee?" t-shirt if it were not intentional murder. Can anyone here? I'm just curious.

[Mayasmimi]

So true Maya, my dd and I went thru all the photos today and seeing the photos of before they started clearing out all that foliage helped us understand so much more of how she wasn't found.
It just saddens me that she was so close, yet so far.

Thanks. Living in AZ....I guess I had forgotten kudzu and how it swallows forests. I remember years ago, maybe middle school, a teacher was talking about kudzu. If a vine is growing over a road and cannot cross to the other side because of cars running over it, that vine will tunnel under the road to get to the other side. It's a Southern thing.

[I'mRight]

Rolling this forward from the last thread as I posted right before it closed:


Quote:
Originally Posted by ?noanswer
If they continue with any one of the "nanny" storys, they will lose big time. I think they may go with "accident" or try to blame it on Cindy. JMO

They def. have to change strategy...I think the best they can do is to say "Yes, Casey was involved in Caylee's death but here is why she isn't guilty of murder." Which does lead to accident, or that she was pushed to the brink of insanity because of what Cindy or George did to her (abuse), etc...

I have a friend who is an incredibly successful public defender attorney (went 3 years straight without losing a case) and her tactic is to never insult a jury's intelligence, to approach cases from the perspective of "OK, he did it" from the onset, and then to work on why the person should be found not be found guilty by law DESPITE the fact that they did it. I think this is the best Casey's team could do at this point. Really, they should be working on a reduced sentence, IMO, because she won't be getting off and they should know that. Not unless there is some serious abuse from the Anthony's that we haven't had a hint of so far that would make a jury believe that one of them besides Casey may have murdered Caylee. JMO

I completely agree with you. There is no way a jury is going to acquit her. She has a very big 31 day problem that no wacky story is going to cover up. All it looks like from the outside is one lie to cover up another, and so on. If I were defending Casey, I would try for a reduced sentence, but I'm not sure how possible that will be at this point.

[?noanswer]

Actually thats only evidence of bad behavior, and poor judgement.

I think thowing away your child is "poor judgement". JMO

[Freefall]

Not to be argumentative, but I honestly cannot come up with a single reason why she'd be in a garbage bag, duct-taped, tossed in a ditch, left rotting among vermin for 6 months, while mama wears a "Where's Caylee?" t-shirt if it were not intentional murder. Can anyone here? I'm just curious.

I sure can't.

[Mayasmimi]

Not to be argumentative, but I honestly cannot come up with a single reason why she'd be in a garbage bag, duct-taped, tossed in a ditch, left rotting among vermin for 6 months, while mama wears a "Where's Caylee?" t-shirt if it were not intentional murder. Can anyone here? I'm just curious.

Exactly!!!! Thank you.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Cury, do you think that yellow thing on the ground could be some type of street sign, like a fasten you seat belt/duck crossing sign?

Thanks, I need that duck crossing. lol

No, doesn't seem likely, IMO.

[CNTM]

Not to be argumentative, but I honestly cannot come up with a single reason why she'd be in a garbage bag, duct-taped, tossed in a ditch, left rotting among vermin for 6 months, while mama wears a "Where's Caylee?" t-shirt if it were not intentional murder. Can anyone here? I'm just curious.

That's not argumentative Cove, just good, common sense! There is no good reason for any of this!

[Mayasmimi]

Michael Lohan on Geraldo......yup......Geraldo is credible? Pathetic.

[tybek]

One simple thing people are forgetting: intent is formed before a crime, not after.

OK, how about "neckbreaking"...

[MrsHudson]

I agree, however, if it wasn't intentional I would think she'd be consumed with guilt and it would eat away at her that she accidently harmed her beloved daughter and she'd crack. But that's just NOT THE CASE, in my opinion. Whatever happened was deliberate, IMO.

The night of the "accident" she is seen arm and arm with her new beau in a Blockbuster renting a movie called Untraceable? Then tells everyone the child was kidnapped.

[Oregongal]

I apologize for asking if this question has already been answered. So, it takes two to make a child. As I understand, Caylee's "father" died in an auto accident more than a year ago. Do yall know that for sure? I can't help but wonder why the paternal relatives haven't jumped all over this.

It depends on which story you believe. We've heard that he died on the way to Caylee's first bday party, Cindy has said that he died before Caylee was born. And probably another that I don't remember.
Bottom line....he's supposedly is dead. According to Casey and the Ant's.
I for one don't think Casey even knows who the father of Caylee was and the stories were to appease her parents.
If she doesn't know who daddy was, it means there may be grandparents out there who know nothing of Caylee.
At this point, I think that's a blessing not only for them, but for the real bio daddy who may not even know he is the bio daddy.

[MoonFlwr]

Well they sure are making a HUGE fiasco out of Dr G's 'homicide by unknown causes' on some media outlets!

[True2Blues]

Not to be argumentative, but I honestly cannot come up with a single reason why she'd be in a garbage bag, duct-taped, tossed in a ditch, left rotting among vermin for 6 months, while mama wears a "Where's Caylee?" t-shirt if it were not intentional murder. Can anyone here? I'm just curious.

I'm with you. The only reason I can see is because the mother of the year wanted to party, screw around, and be free of the little "snot head" as she called her and she couldn't be as long as Caylee was alive. Cindy would have never let her forget that Caylee was her responsibility. She inconvenienced Casey and Casey got rid of her.

Someone who is panicked after an accident doesn't wrap the body up.

[RiverWalk]

They really seem to be cooperating, who cares that they believed she was alive.

HOW were/are they cooperating?

[stef]

Thanks, I need that duck crossing. lol

No, doesn't seem likely, IMO.

Well, that was my first thought, I see that and I see a duck, I need a better picture. Of course better pictures would take the fun out of it.

FYI- I think Kitty's bush and my paver theories were closer to the body than Gale ever was.

[Danette44]

He sounds like a real brainbox. I'm so sure that NY just hands out $50.00 fines if your child dies and you don't report it. Some of these "Attorney" guests say the strangest and most unrealistic things.

Oh heck - he needs to stay in NY and protect the Sex Offenders - probation for 6 yrs for the one guy that is a suspect in the disappearance of a young lady he left with from a night club.....Boy, that man had a mouth on him......jmo

[Cove]

First degree murder isn't always intentional murder. If Caylee died while Casey was committing a felony, like aggravated child abuse, then it's still first degree and still DP eligible.

Thank you for stating this.

[Mayasmimi]

JP says venue has to be moved. She believes Casey will be found guilty anywhere.

[kitty1182]

Well, that was my first thought, I see that and I see a duck, I need a better picture. Of course better pictures would take the fun out of it.

FYI- I think Kitty's bush and my paver theories were closer to the body than Gale ever was.

I agree:wink:

[True2Blues]

The night of the "accident" she is seen arm and arm with her new beau in a Blockbuster renting a movie called Untraceable? Then tells everyone the child was kidnapped.

But she went out right after that looking for her. In the clubs and at the tattoo parlor. :rolleyes:

[tybek]

OK, how about "neckbreaking"...

quoting myself because I just thought of something related...if i can be proven that Cindy choked Casey, she can argue that she googled neckbreaking because she was concerned that Cindy was trying to break her neck. Or if it can't be proven that it was Casey on the computer when the google search was done, then she can argue that Cindy was researching how to break her neck...just a thought...

[Oregongal]

Please Light a Candle for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose::rose:

Thank you darlin blu for continuing to post this each day.
I light candles everyday and I appreciate you providing the link.
:wub:

[sunstar]

OK, how about "neckbreaking"...

Or household tools as weapons, or the most likely one that was used ~ chloroform. All looked up on the Internet 3 mo. before her death. MOO

[MrsHudson]

So it is fact, then, or it's your recollection? Or in Lee's statement to LE? Or all of the above?

It's my recollection and I am pretty good at remembering what I read and where I read it. Not perfect but pretty good! :wink:

[CNTM]

But she went out right after that looking for her. In the clubs and at the tattoo parlor. :rolleyes:

And the tattoo she got "In Memory" of her daughter. Hope it gets infected!:cursing:

[True2Blues]

Oh heck - he needs to stay in NY and protect the Sex Offenders - probation for 6 yrs for the one guy that is a suspect in the disappearance of a young lady he left with from a night club.....Boy, that man had a mouth on him......jmo

That explains a lot about him. I'll bet NY is thrilled to call him their own. Not!

[Mayasmimi]

It depends on which story you believe. We've heard that he died on the way to Caylee's first bday party, Cindy has said that he died before Caylee was born. And probably another that I don't remember.
Bottom line....he's supposedly is dead. According to Casey and the Ant's.
I for one don't think Casey even knows who the father of Caylee was and the stories were to appease her parents.
If she doesn't know who daddy was, it means there may be grandparents out there who know nothing of Caylee.
At this point, I think that's a blessing not only for them, but for the real bio daddy who may not even know he is the bio daddy.

Exactly what I was getting at. Wondered if ANYONE really knows who was Daddy. I knew about those stories, but thought I had missed something. Just amazing.

[tybek]

Correct. If they can prove that Casey searched that and not George, combined with all of her other behaviour before the crime, that all goes towards intent -- not the stuff she did afterwards.


I do see the distinction you are trying to make...

[sunstar]

quoting myself because I just thought of something related...if i can be proven that Cindy choked Casey, she can argue that she googled neckbreaking because she was concerned that Cindy was trying to break her neck. Or if it can't be proven that it was Casey on the computer when the google search was done, then she can argue that Cindy was researching how to break her neck...just a thought...

I recall LE verified Cindy was at work when those searches were done. :) MOO

[True2Blues]

And the tattoo she got "In Memory" of her daughter. Hope it gets infected!:cursing:

In memory was it? That's funny, supposedly she believed Caylee was alive then.

I second that hope.

[Cove]

This guy I'm talking about was really defensive of Casey even saying Caylee could've gotten into antifreeze in the garage and Casey just disposed of her body and something about in NY it would be a $50. fine. :cursing:

Okay, that one made me laugh out loud. Antifreeze, in central Florida? Please ... I lived in those parts for a number of years. Nice try Mr. NY on the TV.:thumbdown:

[Oregongal]

The child was in a bag in a field with duct tape on her skull. Do you do that to someone who dies of a disease or an accident?

And we must not forget that she never reported Caylee missing.
Never.
Cindy did. And it was 31 days according to Casey that she hadn't seen her daughter.
If I were the pros that would be my first words on opening....31 days...

[kitty1182]

In memory was it? That's funny, supposedly she believed Caylee was alive then.

I second that hope.

I third it....In memory is when someone is dead..:sad:

[MrsHudson]

Originally Posted by sunstar View Post
This guy I'm talking about was really defensive of Casey even saying Caylee could've gotten into antifreeze in the garage and Casey just disposed of her body and something about in NY it would be a $50. fine.
*******************

Good grief. What a horrible place New York must be! :confused:

[RiverWalk]

It's my recollection and I am pretty good at remembering what I read and where I read it. Not perfect but pretty good! :wink:


AGAIN (I posted this 2 times now in less than an hour) lol

LP said it on NG:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/05/ng.01.html

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: No. But let me backtrack just a bit, Nancy, for just a second, please. On the 15th, when her mom was choking her and she ran out of the house, she didn`t take no Xanax with her. She had to come up with something. She had the chloroform. She quieted the child, put her in the trunk of the car, but she also left the rag in the trunk, which created enough chloroform there to kill her.

[tybek]

But according to the ME Caylee's neck was not broken.

Right. I was trying to make a point about her actions before Caylee's disappearance possibly showing intent. Researching various methods of possibly killing someone would show intent to murder, despite whether the method she settled on in the end was actually a different method.

[MerriMent]

One simple thing people are forgetting: intent is formed before a crime, not after.

I haven't forgotten that. How far ahead of the murder did Casey research chloroform?

[Mayasmimi]

But according to the ME Caylee's neck was not broken.

She didn't say her neck was not broken. The body was completely skeletonized. All soft tissue was gone. She was a baby who's bones weren't even close to being complete. I'm thinking there is no way to determine whether the cause of death was a broken neck.

BTW....I don't think her neck was broken. Not that my opinion really matters. Just saying.

[stef]

OMG, check out the video (http://psychicgale.com/blinddrive.htm)

[tybek]

I recall LE verified Cindy was at work when those searches were done. :) MOO

Thanks. Did LE say anything about George's whereabouts when the searches were done?

[CNTM]

I think the "In Memory" was a posters opinion, not fact. We don't know why Casey got the tatoo.

The man who owned the shop and did the tat said she wanted a tat In Memory of her daughter. It's in the links thread. Not a posters opinion.

[SC7501]

AGAIN (I posted this 2 times now in less than an hour) lol

LP said it on NG:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/05/ng.01.html

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: No. But let me backtrack just a bit, Nancy, for just a second, please. On the 15th, when her mom was choking her and she ran out of the house, she didn`t take no Xanax with her. She had to come up with something. She had the chloroform. She quieted the child, put her in the trunk of the car, but she also left the rag in the trunk, which created enough chloroform there to kill her.

My, how "fortunate" that Casey already happened to have researched how to make chloroform and had a batch all whipped up and ready to go when she ran out of the house that night. :rolleyes:

[llylabrat]

Okay, that one made me laugh out loud. Antifreeze, in central Florida? Please ... I lived in those parts for a number of years. Nice try Mr. NY on the TV.:thumbdown:

Anti-freeze & coolant are in the same liquid. Just because a car is in a warm state, that doesn't mean you shouldnt put antifreeze in it. you couldn't drive anywhere cold if you didnt. but anyway, the coolant & antifreeze are not sold separately.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Well, that was my first thought, I see that and I see a duck, I need a better picture. Of course better pictures would take the fun out of it.

FYI- I think Kitty's bush and my paver theories were closer to the body than Gale ever was.

IMO, too busy to be a sign but appears to be very flat. As a point of reference to estimate dimensions, are the leaves on the left about 3.5 inches from tip to stem where leaf starts? TIA

[tybek]

I'm glad someone does. It's a really basic point of law that I believe AdverseParty was trying to get across, but got lost in people's emotions about Casey.

It is an important point of law, though, if one were to serve on this jury. Very relevant to the case considering that Casey's actions after Caylee's disappearance were considered so vile and offensive by many people...

I suppose that is why jury's receive careful instruciton in the points of law.

[MrsHudson]

Actually thats only evidence of bad behavior, and poor judgement.

Throw your child's dead body in a field to rot. Naughty naughty girl. You go to time out! Go to bed without your supper. Three lashes with a wet noodle.

I think it's depraved indifference.

[CNTM]

Thats not true, because at that time no one knew that her daughter was missing much less dead.
How is it not true? She went in, made a statement as to what she wanted and why. The man repeated it to LE. No one knew Caylee was missing for 31 days. Casey did lots of things in 31 days.

[SC7501]

Casey isn't going to be convicted on the word of Lenny Padilla.

...especially since he's convinced it was an accident.

[llylabrat]

OMG, check out the video (http://psychicgale.com/blinddrive.htm)

NOW she tells us. how convenient.

[SC7501]

Me thinks Mr. Gumby's time is up. Doesn't he have any more bounties to hunt?

Not as long as the cameras are rolling in Orlando.

[Sweetly]

Just was thinking about this: Means, Motive and Opportunity! (As I apply this to Casey Anthony, even at this juncture, she is the only one I can remotely think of that falls into all three catagories!
What do you all think???


Means, motive, and opportunity
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In US Criminal law, means, motive, and opportunity is a popular cultural summation of the three aspects of a crime needed to convince a jury of guilt in a criminal proceeding. Respectively, they refer to: the ability of the defendant to commit the crime (means), the reason the defendant had to commit the crime (motive), and whether or not the defendant had the opportunity to commit the crime (opportunity). Ironically, motive is not an element of many crimes, but proving motive can often make it easier to convince a jury of the elements that must be proved for a conviction.

Examples:

Say a man has stolen enough of my money to make me angry enough to want to kill him. If I am 10 miles away with a loaded gun when this event happens, I would have a motive (reason), means (the gun), but no opportunity (be physically close enough).

If I was standing next to that same man with nothing in my hands, and he is locked inside his car: I have no means because I cannot get to him inside the car, I have a motive because of what he has done, and I have the opportunity because he is close enough for me to kill him if I had say a gun (means).

If I was sitting inside the car with the man with a gun: I have means (the gun), I have motive (stealing my money), and I have the opportunity (sitting next to him in the car).

[MerriMent]

Well.. Cindy Sommers behavior was considered vile too, and her jury convicted her because of it. I suppose thats why she is enjoying her freedom today. I just hope that Casey is convicted for the crimes she committed, based upon the evidence alone.

I don't believe the DA will have any problem whatsoever convicting Casey Anthony on the evidence alone.

[MrsHudson]

If they go back and listen to LKL when Cindy and George was on it.....she states very clearly......if there was any accident Casey would be calling 911 right away, she was a great Mother, anytime she had a scratch, she would panic.....with that statement from the parents tells me it's no accident then. I swear the parents comments - statements alone would put her away. Jose cracks me up, he is afraid to cut the LE down, he will have his day in court, and prove LE did alot of wrong doing. I feel Jose is the one that is causing alot of trouble for Casey - I bet he is telling her do it my way and you will walk. Thats why no family visits, and watch and see - the pastor won't be allowed back. They need to put the DP back on and then turn it over to LKB, heck none of the Dream Team has even met Casey yet.......JB is keeping her under wrap! JMOO


Excellent point! How can Baez claim she's a great mom then explain how she did not call 911 when her child was dying and then she bagged her up and left her in a field?

I really think the defense is hemmed in in every direction. Casey had a chance to claim it was an accident. The state offered for her to come in and "shed light on Caylee's disappearance. " She did not take that offer. She sits in jail risking LWOP rather than admit it was an accident and get a lighter penalty? That makes no sense.

[tybek]

Well.. Cindy Sommers behavior was considered vile too, and her jury convicted her because of it. I suppose thats why she is enjoying her freedom today. I just hope that Casey is convicted for the crimes she committed, based upon the evidence alone.

Yes, I'm AGREEING with you :smile: I was trying to say that because people think her actions after the disappearance were so vile, they are likely to want to use them to infer intent even if by law they shouldn't. And that the jury may need some careful instruction as relates. I may have my opinions about Casey but the law is the law and conviction shouldn't be based on personal feelings of disgust with another's actions. She is entitled to a fair trial or the whole justice system becomes meaningless JMO

[MoonFlwr]

NOW she tells us. how convenient.

Yeah...kinda what I thought, too!

[sunstar]

Thanks. Did LE say anything about George's whereabouts when the searches were done?

As I recall, just that he was unemployed at the time. :) MOO

[llylabrat]

You know he got paid the standard SAG rate for each appearance he made on Nancy. I wonder if he will report all that cash on his taxes for this year.

leonard padilla is in the screen actors guild?

[stef]

:eek: when was that taken?????

I can't remember when she was there, all I recall is she had an issue with someone's credit card. They seem to have much better feeling over by the school.

[*Serenity*]

I just got the news....omg
Pru r u here............
What is going on with Cindy/George and Baby Caylee's burial
Anyone answer..............please

[GumShoeJoe]

I won't argue with you there. But it still doesnt equate to intentional murder.


In your opinion?

.

[CNTM]

I just got the news....omg
Pru r u here............
What is going on with Cindy/George and Baby Caylee's burial
Anyone answer..............please

I haven't heard anything on any arrangements yet Serenity.

[MrsHudson]

Not to be argumentative, but I honestly cannot come up with a single reason why she'd be in a garbage bag, duct-taped, tossed in a ditch, left rotting among vermin for 6 months, while mama wears a "Where's Caylee?" t-shirt if it were not intentional murder. Can anyone here? I'm just curious.

:thumbsup: Okay what about this. Somebody really did kidnap Caylee and kill her. They put her dead body in the back yard for a while. Then they took her out and put her in Casey's car trunk. Then they took her out and threw her in a field. While all this was going on Casey was unconcerned. She lived it up and had a high old time. And when the jig was up she blamed it on a kidnapper but not THE kidnapper. Somehow she blamed it on a person with the same name as a woman who had looked at an apartment.....well you know the drill.

I just cannot come up with one scenario that gets Casey off the hook . Who else can give it a try?

[tybek]

As I recall, just that he was unemployed at the time. :) MOO

I recall he was unemployed as well. I was wondering if LE ever said they tried to pin down whether he had an albi for the days the searches were done. I suppose that might be difficult for him to recall or demonstrate if he was unemployed, though.

[CNTM]

:thumbsup: Okay what about this. Somebody really did kidnap Caylee and kill her. They put her dead body in the back yard for a while. Then they took her out and put her in Casey's car trunk. Then they took her out and threw her in a field. While all this was going on Casey was unconcerned. She lived it up and had a high old time. And when the jig was up she blamed it on a kidnapper but not THE kidnapper. Somehow she blamed it on a person with the same name as a woman who had looked at an apartment.....well you know the drill.

I just cannot come up with one scenario that gets Casey off the hook . Who else can give it a try?

You outdid me MrsHudson! I'll go with yours !

[Anakerie]

I haven't heard anything on any arrangements yet Serenity.
Have Caylee's remains even been released from the coroner's office?

[dixie77]

No one knows for sure who the father was or if he was even the one who died in an auto accident. I doubt the paternal side of the family ever knew about Caylee. I have my doubts that Casey even knows who the father was.

==================

This has really been bugging me. I have always thought that when Cindy and Casey said the father had died.....it sounded like it was something that they had rehearsed. And if this is so, then they do know who the real father is but want to keep it covered up. I'm not saying its Lee because i dont think he is the father. jmo

[sunstar]

I just got the news....omg
Pru r u here............
What is going on with Cindy/George and Baby Caylee's burial
Anyone answer..............please

I haven't heard anything mentioned about her funeral other than it could be this week. :sad:

[sunbunny]

I think the dog is psychic, he is the one that got sick, first.
How bad are you, when you fall right onto the spot and still don't find it???

:lol: those psychics should have followed the dogs... they were going NUTS!!! instead, she was yelling at them!

i did see that that area was really dense with foilage and overgrown palmettos, tho. in gayle's defense. :unsure:

[Mayasmimi]

OMG, check out the video (http://psychicgale.com/blinddrive.htm)

I am chilled to the bone.

[llylabrat]

I can't remember when she was there, all I recall is she had an issue with someone's credit card. They seem to have much better feeling over by the school.

$300 for an 'elite' membership or 4 easy payments of $75 or whatever....i'll bet she concerns herself with credit cards quite often. i am 100% skeptic when it comes to psychics.

[barskin&co.]

:thumbsup: Okay what about this. Somebody really did kidnap Caylee and kill her. They put her dead body in the back yard for a while. Then they took her out and put her in Casey's car trunk. Then they took her out and threw her in a field. While all this was going on Casey was unconcerned. She lived it up and had a high old time. And when the jig was up she blamed it on a kidnapper but not THE kidnapper. Somehow she blamed it on a person with the same name as a woman who had looked at an apartment.....well you know the drill.

I just cannot come up with one scenario that gets Casey off the hook . Who else can give it a try?

How about that scenario, Mrs. H? Uhhhh, not so much. :tonguewag:

[*Serenity*]

I haven't heard anything on any arrangements yet Serenity.


Thank you so much for the quick reply.
BTW.... is George/Cindy requesting immunity for coverup?

[GumShoeJoe]

Yes my opinion, which is based on relevant law.


I think the hurdle of reasonable doubt is up to each individual jurror, or it was the last time I read the "relevant law". Not enought for you to overcome that burden? Fine. Perhaps it will be enough for others.





jmo

[CNTM]

Have Caylee's remains even been released from the coroner's office?

Not that I'm aware of. No clue if any arrangements are even pending.

[RiverWalk]

I think the dog is psychic, he is the one that got sick, first.
How bad are you, when you fall right onto the spot and still don't find it???

No kidding and they are "psychic" and all that. And KNEE DEEP in water. Some have said dry, dry, dry? Whooooo Woooooo! Spooky!

[Oregongal]

One simple thing people are forgetting: intent is formed before a crime, not after.

You are right Sanity, but are you forgetting the computer searches?
Chloroform, neck breaking, how to's that were found to be made a couple of months before.
That to me says intent. IMO Casey formed the intent long ago. Her behavior after has only strengthend, IMO, that her intent was carried out. She just waited and continued to have intent until the trigger was pulled. That trigger got pulled on the 15th of June when she had a knock down physical fight with Cindy.
And we only have what has been released, there may be more incriminating computer searches that we don't know about. I feel there is more evidence that hasn't been released. There was enough to take to a Grand Jury and they came back with a 1st degree murder indicment. Even if the evidence has been released as discovery to Baez, I don't think he would be forthcoming with it. His job is to defend his client, even if he has received evidence that incriminates her.
There are so many rumors, mis-information, diversions and lies floating around this case that I am so looking forward to the trial to finally see ALL the absolute evidence.

[CNTM]

Thank you so much for the quick reply.
BTW.... is George/Cindy requesting immunity for coverup?

YW I'm guessing the immunity would be for cover up and possibly messing with the evidence in relation to the hairbrush and toothbrush statement Cindy made.

[really3997]

http://s377.photobucket.com/albums/oo218/really3997/

I posted some more...how would you like to live here.

[barskin&co.]

OMG, check out the video (http://psychicgale.com/blinddrive.htm)

I remember that woman.

[CNTM]

http://s377.photobucket.com/albums/oo218/really3997/

I posted some more...how would you like to live here.

OMG, the poor neighbors. What a mess Casey has created for so many.
Thanks for the liink!

[GumShoeJoe]

YW I'm guessing the immunity would be for cover up and possibly messing with the evidence in relation to the hairbrush and toothbrush statement Cindy made.
I wonder what they offer in exchange for immunity? Doesn't seem to me they have much to bargain with that isn't already legally required anyway, like truthful testimony.
Any ideas, anyone?


jmo

[stef]

No kidding and they are "psychic" and all that. And KNEE DEEP in water. Some have said dry, dry, dry? Whooooo Woooooo! Spooky!

How much do you want to bet they have videos from about 30 different places, with the same reactions and feeling to each area?

I would be ashamed to be so close and not find the actual spot.


So now we have a cop that may not have gone that extra mile for a police call, plus a seer who drives away from the actual spot, it is getting hard to find good help these days.

Did you see all the fence around there?

[RiverWalk]

Yes my opinion, which is based on relevant law.

What law is that? Happy trolls need to know so I can go to bed. TIA

[Mayasmimi]

Wow it is the same area....

If Geraldo says so, then I guess so (kidding). Seriously, the first part of the search, before they go past the school, was on his show tonight. Who the heck knows? What a mess.

[*Serenity*]

YW I'm guessing the immunity would be for cover up and possibly messing with the evidence in relation to the hairbrush and toothbrush statement Cindy made.

Thank you for being so kind.

(((hugs)))

My heart is sinking for Baby Caylee.... thank God they found her.....

[Neffy]

She ruled the cause of death as unknown. Unknown can mean accident just as much as it can mean homicide. If the bag or tape had anything to do with her death, it wouldn't be unknown.

Sorry if this has been acknowledged, went out a few hours and now spending an hour to catch up LOL

This is incorrect. This was ruled a homicide cause unknown.

[CNTM]

I wonder what they offer in exchange for immunity? Doesn't seem to me they have much to bargain with that isn't already legally required anyway, like truthful testimony.
Any ideas, anyone?


jmo

That's a good question.

[sunstar]

http://s377.photobucket.com/albums/oo218/really3997/

I posted some more...how would you like to live here.

I really do feel sorry for the neighbors with all the media camped out there when Casey was on house arrest, now LE there collecting evidence. :sad: Thanks so much for those photos ~ the ones of the memorials for Caylee are very nice! :smile:

[MoonFlwr]

I haven't heard anything on any arrangements yet Serenity.

Ditto.....

[stef]

Wow it is the same area....

Did you see all the fence????

[MerriMent]

I won't argue with you there. But it still doesnt equate to intentional murder.

Casey isn't charged with "intentional murder."

Aggravated child abuse isn't "accidental."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/14/caylee.grand.jury/index.html

Anthony is charged with first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child and four counts of providing false information to police.

[kitty1182]

Wow it is the same area....

It sure looks like it!!!!

[stef]

http://s377.photobucket.com/albums/oo218/really3997/

I posted some more...how would you like to live here.

Thanks, you rock:biggrin:
I wouldn't like that in my neighborhood.

[CNTM]

Thank you for being so kind.

(((hugs)))

My heart is sinking for Baby Caylee.... thank God they found her.....

You are very welcome. Lets hope the grand parents will not linger in giving her a proper burial.

[really3997]

I am chilled to the bone.

you realize if she would have searched were they parked the car they might have found her if she was not in the water. JMO

[llylabrat]

You know.. I don't really know. I used to know what it was.. and my guess would be 1500-2000 each appearance. My grandma used to be the vice pres. of one of the regional SAG divisions, and she got my son print ad work when he was a baby, and at that time, for a baby the rate was $600 an hour. It was more for adults, and that was 25 years ago.
You really think the cable news shows pay their guests? I don't. I think they go on to promote themselves or their business or for other reasons.

[barskin&co.]

You know.. I don't really know. I used to know what it was.. and my guess would be 1500-2000 each appearance. My grandma used to be the vice pres. of one of the regional SAG divisions, and she got my son print ad work when he was a baby, and at that time, for a baby the rate was $600 an hour. It was more for adults, and that was 25 years ago.

Does Nancy pay people SAG rates, AP? Don't SAG rates apply to SAG members?

By the way, how do I get a membership? Maybe I can make some money with ads for Polident and Depends

[RiverWalk]

How much do you want to bet they have videos from about 30 different places, with the same reactions and feeling to each area?

I would be ashamed to be so close and not find the actual spot.


So now we have a cop that may not have gone that extra mile for a police call, plus a seer who drives away from the actual spot, it is getting hard to find good help these days.

Did you see all the fence around there?

Some fences, but the problem with all this is the EXACT area had no fences, imo. IF that is the area where the baby was found? After a while all the Florida brush/undergrowth starts to look alike. I was marking the time of turning on Suburban and then to the school and back and then turning around and then back and fences and sick dogs and walking in water, etc. I was listening to their "feelings" and watching the video and they had no clue what they were doing, imo. So close, so close. Many were and yet the baby was found.

[kitty1182]

http://s377.photobucket.com/albums/oo218/really3997/

I posted some more...how would you like to live here.

Thanks!!!............

What a mess.....

[MrsHudson]

Then there must be something to it, huh.

What if Casey stabbed Caylee in the guts? What if she never hit a bone or grazed a bone or crushed her skull? What if she just held her nose closed? Is not having a cause of death a ticket out for Casey because she was smart enough or lucky enough to kill without leaving a trace on the body? It sure as heck shouldn't be I am sure you will agree.

They are not looking at the totality of the evidence. They are only looking at that one thing because they are stupid TV talking heads and they have 5 minutes to discuss something very complex. What they say is hardly worth listening to.

[Cove]

Antifreeze in the north, Coolant in the south, same basic chemicals. Oh sure. Actually, alcohols versus haloalkanes. But, just made me laugh. Gotta love def attys. For just $50 fine, you too can absolve yourself of crappy parenting.

[CNTM]

They may decide to cremate her and bring her ashes home... all in private.

I think so too. They need some privacy and healing time.

[Mamie]

I just got the news....omg
Pru r u here............
What is going on with Cindy/George and Baby Caylee's burial
Anyone answer..............please


Nothing has been released yet for burial.

[Neffy]

Yes.. thats what I said. Her opinion is that it is homicide. That may not be the jury's opinion.

That's her ruling based on the evidence not an opinion. The only thing left undetermined is the cause.

I'd hate to think a jury would overrule a medical examiners ruling.

[RiverWalk]

Try this:


www.findlaw.com


More bunk. As expected.

[CNTM]

Nothing has been released yet for burial.

Thanks Mamie. It must be even harder waiting for them to release her.

[llylabrat]

Yes.. thats what I said. Her opinion is that it is homicide. That may not be the jury's opinion.


What other conclusion is there? Accident? That's still gonna be murder because of the other evidence, chloroform, internet searches, not reporting her missing for 31 days, not telling the truth about ONE SINGLE THING. A happy healthy 2 year old does not die for no reason, and if it was an accident, why hasn't her family confirmed that? You want a jury to give her that benefit of the doubt when Casey wont' even say thats what it was?

[nellbell]

I cannot figure out how Casey got the garbage bag to the woods without anyone seeing her. We have at least three "nosey neighbors" that watch and report on all the other neighbors.(can you say drive me crazy) Is there a road nearby and she drove there or did she just carry the bag.

[MerriMent]

Yes.. thats what I said. Her opinion is that it is homicide. That may not be the jury's opinion.

The only way the jury would not accept her opinion is if the defense presents a more credible expert opinion that it was not homicide. That isn't likely, considering the Body Farm analysis.

[MoonFlwr]

I cannot figure out how Casey got the garbage bag to the woods without anyone seeing her. We have at least three "nosey neighbors" that watch and report on all the other neighbors.(can you say drive me crazy) Is there a road nearby and she drove there or did she just carry the bag.

At some ungodly hour of the day, perhaps? *shrug*

[MrsHudson]

That's what I thought. I'll file it with all of the other carp LP has come out with, but thanks anyway. :)

I'd look it up for you but if you really want to know you can look it up yourself in the documents of Lee's interviews. I'm busy right now.

[Mayasmimi]

Casey isn't charged with "intentional murder."

Aggravated child abuse isn't "accidental."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/14/caylee.grand.jury/index.html

Anthony is charged with first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child and four counts of providing false information to police.

Maybe new charges will be added, based on new information?

[llylabrat]

I cannot figure out how Casey got the garbage bag to the woods without anyone seeing her. We have at least three "nosey neighbors" that watch and report on all the other neighbors.(can you say drive me crazy) Is there a road nearby and she drove there or did she just carry the bag.
you only have to look at psyhic gale's video to get the answer to that one. Not one car went by while they were pulled over. not one that they caught on camera. i didnt' hear any passing either.

[CNTM]

I cannot figure out how Casey got the garbage bag to the woods without anyone seeing her. We have at least three "nosey neighbors" that watch and report on all the other neighbors.(can you say drive me crazy) Is there a road nearby and she drove there or did she just carry the bag.

Especially if it was a teen hangout. Looks like people would have their eyes open and be aware all the time, unless she snuck in during the night.

[tybek]

Thanks for that. You know, I think that if it is proven that Casey murdered her daughter, either intentionally or through negligence, I hope she is convicted and punished to the fullest extent of the law. I am willing to wait for her trial to see if that evidence exists. From what I've seen, and because I don't trust all the leaks, it could have been an accident. And if an accident, she shouldnt be convicted of something other than the truth. She should also be punished for her actions afterward.


Your'e welcome. While I *think* Casey is guilty, I understand that it is merely my *opinion* based on leaks and media reports and what I PRESUME the evidence will be. Nothing is for sure until the evidence is presented in a court of law. I can think of other cases where forming an opinion based on media, leaks, and presumption of what the evidence would be led me down the wrong road. For example, I remember the "LE leaks" of concrete evidence in the McCann case which never came to light, I presumed some of witnesses in the Micheal Jackson case were going to testify against him (one being his former wife) and they didn't, and mostly I remember the former handyman Richard Ricci in the Elizabeth Smart case (the unexplained milage on his car, his alledgedly stripping out his car seats and throwing them away, and how law enforcement was convinced he was the man despite Ed Smart publicly saying he that while he believed Ricci was guilty of some other things, he didn't believe he was involved in Elizabeth's disappearance based on looking the man in the eye and asked him if he took Elizabeth. It's very easy to get caught up in emotion with these cases, so it's good to be kept honest by posters like yourself. IMO

[stef]

Some fences, but the problem with all this is the EXACT area had no fences, imo. IF that is the area where the baby was found? After a while all the Florida brush/undergrowth starts to look alike. I was marking the time of turning on Suburban and then to the school and back and then turning around and then back and fences and sick dogs and walking in water, etc. I was listening to their "feelings" and watching the video and they had no clue what they were doing, imo. So close, so close. Many were and yet the baby was found.

I noticed fence everywhere, except where that thick brush was.
IMO, the dog got sick, then Wyatt got sick over the dog, lol.

How many false finds did they have? I remember one included crime scene tape, funny that were seemed to be looking at all the places LE and TES searched.

It sure would have been nice if those dogs found her that day, what a shame.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Have Caylee's remains even been released from the coroner's office?

According to B Conway via Fox 35 @ 5PM - no

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8115577&version=1&locale=EN-US

[martha]

I guess we have nothing new tonight. I don;t look for g and c to make a statement anytime soon. I doubt they will go to the jail to see casey. I have not seen lee we may not see any of them on tv from now on.jmho

[Oregongal]

*respecfully snipped*

Someone who is panicked after an accident doesn't wrap the body up.[/COLOR][/B]

I so agree True!
And Casey being the narcissist she is would certainly have called 911 immediatly if it were an accident just to get the attention and drama that would have ensued. Even if she had been at fault. She has shown she can lie and manipulate enough that she certainly would have been able to cause enough drama to divert that fault away from herself. If it had truly been an accident, she would have said and done whatever she could so that she would have had tons of attention and sympathy and would have been able to play the poor me, my daughter is gone, OMG how do I go on role.
This girl is an expert at manipulation. If it were an accident she would have manipulated and lied but, would have reported it. The attention she would have gained would have been irrisistable to her.
It wasn't an accident, she knows right from wrong and she did what most guilty people...she disposed, covered up, came up with a story when pushed to the wall. Zanny the nanny did it.
That's her story and she's sticking to it.

[MerriMent]

I agree with all you say, but it could also have been an accident, and I believe there may be some kind of evidence that shows a possible drowning. I don't know. I just don't have a problem waiting for trial and seeing the evidence. There has been so much info put out that its difficult, if not impossible to separate the rumors from the facts. Its hard not to let emotions guide our opinions, which a jury will be instructed they cannot allow. I have no doubt that if the evidence shows that Casey is guilty of murder then she will pay the price for it.

Emotions aren't guiding my opinion, known facts are.

Please explain how researching and creating a toxic substance so that you can expose your child to it intentionally is in any way "an accident." Thanks.

[Rayosunshine]

:lol: those psychics should have followed the dogs... they were going NUTS!!! instead, she was yelling at them!

i did see that that area was really dense with foilage and overgrown palmettos, tho. in gayle's defense. :unsure:

They could have told LE, but I guess they would have blown them off.

[llylabrat]

I agree with all you say, but it could also have been an accident, and I believe there may be some kind of evidence that shows a possible drowning. I don't know. I just don't have a problem waiting for trial and seeing the evidence. There has been so much info put out that its difficult, if not impossible to separate the rumors from the facts. Its hard not to let emotions guide our opinions, which a jury will be instructed they cannot allow. I have no doubt that if the evidence shows that Casey is guilty of murder then she will pay the price for it.
I also think it could have been accidental since I do not want to believe anyone intentionally killed Caylee. Could Casey have been so scared of the fallout from allowing the baby to drown that she'd hide the body from her parents? I think she was drugging the child so she could party and killed her accidently & didn't want to face the consequences. LIke I said, I dont' want to think she intentionally murdered Caylee.

[MoonFlwr]

It feels unrealistic to envision Casey dumping Caylee's body so close to home, if it was pre-meditated murder.

[RiverWalk]

I believe there may be some kind of evidence that shows a possible drowning.

No organs were found. No lungs to support your claim of accidental drowning. You do know what skeletalized remains mean?

[CNTM]

According to B Conway via Fox 35 @ 5PM - no

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8115577&version=1&locale=EN-US

Thank you Cury!

[Cury-us Coyote]

Memorial forms at former crime scene
(close up pics)
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8116812&version=1&locale=EN-US

[really3997]

In regards to the video, When they first stopped the car at the beginning of the video was where they found Caylee. However where they ended up searching is straight back at the end of the road.(behind the school) Had they have searched right at the beginning maybe they would have found her. That video is accurate as far as the neighborhood that was my childs school....

[Rayosunshine]

Did you see all the fence????

Wonder how long the fence has been there? There didn't seem to be a fence in the area LE/FBI were working at. Looked like you could walk right in off the street.

[RiverWalk]

It feels unrealistic to envision Casey dumping Caylee's body so close to home, if it was pre-meditated murder.

IMO, she was a lazy and an unaccomplished young woman. She was a thief and a liar with no moral compass. The easy way out was to dump her child as soon as possible and with the least effort - just like her life = no effort. JMO

[SC7501]

I guess we have nothing new tonight. I don;t look for g and c to make a statement anytime soon. I doubt they will go to the jail to see casey. I have not seen lee we may not see any of them on tv from now on.jmho

Agree about not seeing any of the Anthony's from now on. -- Now that a stampede of horses has left the barn, the attorneys have finally succeeded in keeping them quiet. -- Thank goodness no one was able to do it before.

[Oregongal]

But according to the ME Caylee's neck was not broken.

Her neck may have not broken, but with no soft tissue it can't be said one way or another that she may have held that little neck until Caylee couldn't breathe any longer.
That could also explain the duct tape, no screams coming from Caylee as she was doing it.
OMG, my tummy just got sick typing that.
:scared:

[MerriMent]

I also think it could have been accidental since I do not want to believe anyone intentionally killed Caylee. Could Casey have been so scared of the fallout from allowing the baby to drown that she'd hide the body from her parents? I think she was drugging the child so she could party and killed her accidently & didn't want to face the consequences. LIke I said, I dont' want to think she intentionally murdered Caylee.

Sorry but the intentionally drugging of a child was not an "accident" and it raises the murder charge to capitol murder, death penalty eligible.

[Haggabag]

I think you are right. Jose is Casey's worst enemy.

Yipppppeeeeee that they found one another! :laugh:

[Rayosunshine]

They may decide to cremate her and bring her ashes home... all in private.

Actually too late for cremation. Only soft, water bearing tissue is cremated/vaporized. Bones remain and are ground up as fine as the ashes remaining and both are then mixed together. From my personal experience.

[Mayasmimi]

In regards to the video, When they first stopped the car at the beginning of the video was where they found Caylee. However where they ended up searching is straight back at the end of the road.(behind the school) Had they have searched right at the beginning maybe they would have found her. That video is accurate as far as the neighborhood that was my childs school....

Did you watch Geraldo tonight. The only footage they showed of the more than 20 minute tape was where Caylee was found. Hmmmm? After the fact. No?

[tybek]

So LP is actually getting $$$ for his ridiculous theories of how Caylee died? Not many people believed what came out of his mouth when it was for free.

I have visions of him grandstanding in the courtroom -of course he will be there as he has interjected himself in every possible way in this case to try to be there) and I feel very disgusted. That courtroom and this case does not need to be turned into a circus show by the likes of LP seeking media attention. IMO he should never have put himself in the middle of all of this.

[MerriMent]

There is proof she made Chloroform?

there is proof chloroform was in the trunk and Caylee was in the trunk.

[really3997]

Wonder how long the fence has been there? There didn't seem to be a fence in the area LE/FBI were working at. Looked like you could walk right in off the street.

The fence has always been there. I am not good at distances however if you continued down the road directly across from the entrance of the school you will see fence

[stef]

Memorial forms at former crime scene
(close up pics)
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8116812&version=1&locale=EN-US

Did you watch Gale's video clip I posted???

I downloaded it and I will give it a good look tomorrow if I have time. Something seems off, like there seems to be something extra that doesn't belong there, tell me what you think.

[playnice]

According to B Conway via Fox 35 @ 5PM - no

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8115577&version=1&locale=EN-US

Well it sounds too good to be true but according to Conway the Anthonys want to cooperate. thats a 90 degree turnaround. Something sure must have them scared. So scared Cindy isnt opening her mouth.

[Neffy]

It feels unrealistic to envision Casey dumping Caylee's body so close to home, if it was pre-meditated murder.

Your talking about someone who also talked their way into Universal Studios bringing in LE with her who didn't back down that she did not work there until they hit the wall at the end of the hallway. How's that for brazen.

[ccnsd]

The state prosecutors don't like it when the ME doesn't agree with its theory.

Doesn't the ME have the choices of cause of death; 1. natural cause,
2. suicide, 3. accidental or 4. homicide? I wouldn't choose the first 3 options. What would common sense tell ya? even without the evidence Dr. G had from what was inside the bags. I believe the state wants the truth not theory.

[CNTM]

Actually too late for cremation. Only soft, water bearing tissue is cremated/vaporized. Bones remain and are ground up as fine as the ashes remaining and both are then mixed together. From my personal experience.

I didn't know that. But it does make sense. Thanks.

[Mayasmimi]

Actually too late for cremation. Only soft, water bearing tissue is cremated/vaporized. Bones remain and are ground up as fine as the ashes remaining and both are then mixed together. From my personal experience.

Was explained to me years ago, and I didn't believe it. My Dad was cremated. I get it now. But, I guess some version of cremation could be a viable option for this family.

[5boxersmom]

Was explained to me years ago, and I didn't believe it. My Dad was cremated. I get it now. But, I guess some version of cremation could be a viable option for this family.

Danielle Van Dam was created. Was she skeletal? Hate to type that.

[RiverWalk]

In regards to the video, When they first stopped the car at the beginning of the video was where they found Caylee. However where they ended up searching is straight back at the end of the road.(behind the school) Had they have searched right at the beginning maybe they would have found her. That video is accurate as far as the neighborhood that was my childs school....

You are more familiar with the area than me, but it seems to me they stopped SHORT. Mark the time from turning onto the street to when they stop and the woman got out with the dog and ran into the knee deep water. The rest did do-loops all over the street and came back to the dog/woman. I think the dog/woman were about 75 yards short of the site where the baby was found. IMO. :shrug:

[really3997]

Did you watch Geraldo tonight. The only footage they showed of the more than 20 minute tape was where Caylee was found. Hmmmm? After the fact. No?

Yes I did watch it. I don't know when it was made but the dog jumped out of the car where Caylee was found but they forced the dog back in the car and did not search there. In listening to the tape they seem to be adding logic in a "Physic reading" I do not discount the power of the dead and physics..not sure this women is a physic. Too much info about case with her.

[Mayasmimi]

there is proof chloroform was in the trunk and Caylee was in the trunk.

Absolutely. Having computer problems.....hmmm.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Some fences, but the problem with all this is the EXACT area had no fences, imo. IF that is the area where the baby was found? After a while all the Florida brush/undergrowth starts to look alike. I was marking the time of turning on Suburban and then to the school and back and then turning around and then back and fences and sick dogs and walking in water, etc. I was listening to their "feelings" and watching the video and they had no clue what they were doing, imo. So close, so close. Many were and yet the baby was found.


How could you forget the part about hiding the car?

[stef]

In regards to the video, When they first stopped the car at the beginning of the video was where they found Caylee. However where they ended up searching is straight back at the end of the road.(behind the school) Had they have searched right at the beginning maybe they would have found her. That video is accurate as far as the neighborhood that was my childs school....

Thanks, I appreciate that. That is so poorly shot and is very hard to verify any of it, when you don't see anyone's face while they are talking.

[llylabrat]

Sorry but the intentionally drugging of a child was not an "accident" and it raises the murder charge to capitol murder, death penalty eligible.

Doctors have been known to kill patients accidently. My thought was that Casey was drugging the child with the intention of putting her out for a while. Now I know that is murder when you do a dangerous thing and someone dies. Legally it is murder, I still think the mother could have killed her by accident. Still murder, still punishable, still all kinds of wrong.