Saturday - Dec 20/08 Morning Part 1

[ellegna]

Please take a moment to light a Candle for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

[ellegna]

Remains identified as missing toddler Caylee Anthony

(http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-body-identified-121908,0,7458330.story)

[RainyNiteNTx]

Remains identified as missing toddler Caylee Anthony

(http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-body-identified-121908,0,7458330.story)


This is her private moment," he said. "This is what she is going through."

Oh Please - her private moment? You mean like her private moment she had when she snuffed Caylee's life out? IMO

[CNTM]

Bringing over from the night thread...

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morning all

gosh, it was tough sleeping.

i hope Caylee's great grandma Shirley is holding up and hope she has friends around her to support her. i can't imagine.

also, i woke and wondered about Dakota. i hope she's ok after hearing the news yesterday.

it's just unfathomable! my first thought as i got out of bed this morning was how someone could put a precious baby in a garbage bag and just dump it.

i'm so sad. i have to go out of town later to my daughters for our Christmas and i tell ya....i've got such a heavy heart

My sympathies are with the great grandparents also. I'm sure Caylees precious little face kit up their lives when she was near them.

I hope Dakotas family is prepared for the reactions she will have. That little girl should not have to be experiencing what she is exposed too.

I was thinking of my 3 year old grand daughter this morning and how I can't wait to see her face on Christmas morning and hold her in my arms! I only get to see them 3 times a year and I cherish every single moment of them!

[n/t]

Last night I couldn't wrap my mind around anyone wanting to pay for her defense. To me, it's unfathomable that this anonymous alleged multi millionaire would want to waste money on a suspected baby killer. What kind of person does that? If they have all this money to throw away, why don't they give it to a good cause and not waste it on this monster.

The only solace I get from it is that she will have the <cough> best defense and they can't use that as a reason for an appeal later. When she's convicted, she'll be convicted at the full extent of the law and we can all watch her sorry arse being dragged to prison.

No amount of money will bring Caylee home and the monster who did this to her will rot in hell.

[CNTM]

Last night I couldn't wrap my mind around anyone wanting to pay for her defense. To me, it's unfathomable that this anonymous alleged multi millionaire would want to waste money on a suspected baby killer. What kind of person does that? If they have all this money to throw away, why don't they give it to a good cause and not waste it on this monster.

The only solace I get from it is that she will have the <cough> best defense and they can't use that as a reason for an appeal later. When she's convicted, she'll be convicted at the full extent of the law and we can all watch her sorry arse being dragged to prison.

No amount of money will bring Caylee home and the monster who did this to her will rot in hell.

I agree n/t. What possessed anyone to pay for her defense? Maybe the key word here is "possessed"?
Has anyone confirmed a multi-millionaire is paying or was it just rumored? I was not able to catch up on all last nights discussions if this was addressed.

[n/t]

I agree n/t. What possessed anyone to pay for her defense? Maybe the key word here is "possessed"?
Has anyone confirmed a multi-millionaire is paying or was it just rumored? I was not able to catch up on all last nights discussions if this was addressed.

Well one has to assume that it's someone with a lot of money. I did hear it last night. I can't remember if it was on LK or NG.

This is what was said about this anonymous person on LK. I'll check NG transcripts after this. I don't recall if they discussed it on NG.

KING: Dr. Kobilinsky, who is paying for this high profile defense team?

KOBILINSKY: I -- I -- first of all, I don't know, Larry. And, secondly, if I knew, I probably wouldn't be at liberty to say so.

KING: Dr. Reichs, do you know or care to say so?

REICHS: We -- when they retained our services, there is a clause in that contract about nondisclosure and confidentiality. So if I did know about the other participants in the team, I wouldn't be at liberty to say.

KING: But you are...

REICHS: I know I can't...

KING: You are being paid by...

REICHS: I can squelch...

KING: ...the lawyers, right?

REICHS: I can squelch some of the rumors pertaining to where the money has come from.

KING: All right. Squelch them.

REICHS: Well, there is a rumor that's been said back to me by the media that I've signed a book deal and that the money is somehow going to go to the Anthony family to pay for this defense team. And I can unequivocally say that's absolutely untrue. I've never been approached about it.

I'm very busy writing my Temperance Brennan novels and producing the show. And I wouldn't have time, if I did have the inclination.

And, also, I would be constrained by a confidentiality and nondisclosure with regard to what's going on in the case.

KING: Got you.

REICHS: So that's definitely...

KING: Larry...

REICHS: ...not where the money is coming from.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/19/lkl.01.html

[aubrey04]

Last night I couldn't wrap my mind around anyone wanting to pay for her defense. To me, it's unfathomable that this anonymous alleged multi millionaire would want to waste money on a suspected baby killer. What kind of person does that? If they have all this money to throw away, why don't they give it to a good cause and not waste it on this monster.

The only solace I get from it is that she will have the <cough> best defense and they can't use that as a reason for an appeal later. When she's convicted, she'll be convicted at the full extent of the law and we can all watch her sorry arse being dragged to prison.

No amount of money will bring Caylee home and the monster who did this to her will rot in hell.

It does seem crazy but I wonder if this millionaire had legal trouble before or perhaps is even a lawyer? That might explain it better. Or maybe s/he is just enamored with Casey.. I do know that a poster on here-- who was a lawyer and has now been banned-- claimed that he was a member on a message board for lawyers and that several people in the group had sent in money for her defense expenses (and IIRC, her bail)..

:shrug:

ETA - maybe it is Jami Floyd?

[CNTM]

Well one has to assume that it's someone with a lot of money. I did hear it last night. I can't remember if it was on LK or NG.

This is what was said about this anonymous person on LK. I'll check NG transcripts after this. I don't recall if they discussed it on NG.

KING: Dr. Kobilinsky, who is paying for this high profile defense team?

KOBILINSKY: I -- I -- first of all, I don't know, Larry. And, secondly, if I knew, I probably wouldn't be at liberty to say so.

KING: Dr. Reichs, do you know or care to say so?

REICHS: We -- when they retained our services, there is a clause in that contract about nondisclosure and confidentiality. So if I did know about the other participants in the team, I wouldn't be at liberty to say.

KING: But you are...

REICHS: I know I can't...

KING: You are being paid by...

REICHS: I can squelch...

KING: ...the lawyers, right?

REICHS: I can squelch some of the rumors pertaining to where the money has come from.

KING: All right. Squelch them.

REICHS: Well, there is a rumor that's been said back to me by the media that I've signed a book deal and that the money is somehow going to go to the Anthony family to pay for this defense team. And I can unequivocally say that's absolutely untrue. I've never been approached about it.

I'm very busy writing my Temperance Brennan novels and producing the show. And I wouldn't have time, if I did have the inclination.

And, also, I would be constrained by a confidentiality and nondisclosure with regard to what's going on in the case.

KING: Got you.

REICHS: So that's definitely...

KING: Larry...

REICHS: ...not where the money is coming from.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/19/lkl.01.html

Thanks n/t. I still can't imagine paying for her defense. That bumfuzzles me.

[SandyO]

I agree n/t. What possessed anyone to pay for her defense? Maybe the key word here is "possessed"?
Has anyone confirmed a multi-millionaire is paying or was it just rumored? I was not able to catch up on all last nights discussions if this was addressed.

My first guess was that it's Geraldo - LOL! I am of the belief that anyone investing in Casey's defense has a business motive. There's got to be some behind-the-scenes arrangement whereby the investor is repaid, plus interest, for this 'donation'. The investor will be repaid with monies made by the Anthonys (from books, movies, whatever) after the case goes to trial and is closed.

[CNTM]

My first guess was that it's Geraldo - LOL! I am of the belief that anyone investing in Casey's defense has a business motive. There's got to be some behind-the-scenes arrangement whereby the investor is repaid, plus interest, for this 'donation'. The investor will be repaid with monies made by the Anthonys (from books, movies, whatever) after the case goes to trial and is closed.

lol Good point SandyO!

[ellegna]

My first guess was that it's Geraldo - LOL! I am of the belief that anyone investing in Casey's defense has a business motive. There's got to be some behind-the-scenes arrangement whereby the investor is repaid, plus interest, for this 'donation'. The investor will be repaid with monies made by the Anthonys (from books, movies, whatever) after the case goes to trial and is closed.

That is very possible. That might explain the stories that circulated Cindy had or was going to have Caylee's name copyrighted :shrug:

[Motomom]

My first guess was that it's Geraldo - LOL! I am of the belief that anyone investing in Casey's defense has a business motive. There's got to be some behind-the-scenes arrangement whereby the investor is repaid, plus interest, for this 'donation'. The investor will be repaid with monies made by the Anthonys (from books, movies, whatever) after the case goes to trial and is closed.

Geraldo and Dr. Phil would be my guess.

Maybe this person or people just want to see her with the best defense money can buy, so she can't cry foul, can't cry ineffective council kwim?

[ellegna]

If anyone missed Larry King Live or Nancy Grace last night, here are the transcripts:

Larry King (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/19/lkl.01.html)

Nancy Grace (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/19/ng.01.html)

[Motomom]

I'm still waiting to see where the Anthony's go from here. The statement their lawyer gave yesterday was very touching to me and the fact that Casey wasn't mentioned and the comment that they want to see this prosecuted says a lot to me. We'll see I guess. I'm thinking they may be not be standing behind their daughter so much now. While there was still a chance Caylee was alive, even if we knew she wasn't, if that chance is what was keeping them going in their defense of Casey it should end now. Then again, she is still their daughter, but no prayers were asked for her. Any word on when they would release her body for burial?

[n/t]

My first guess was that it's Geraldo - LOL! I am of the belief that anyone investing in Casey's defense has a business motive. There's got to be some behind-the-scenes arrangement whereby the investor is repaid, plus interest, for this 'donation'. The investor will be repaid with monies made by the Anthonys (from books, movies, whatever) after the case goes to trial and is closed.

I agree with you that it's someone who has a vested interest.

[SandyO]

That is very possible. That might explain the stories that circulated Cindy had or was going to have Caylee's name copyrighted :shrug:

It is more than obvious that some arrangement has been made, although it is hidden from the public, at least for now. You and I couldn't afford a defense like this one, and neither can the Anthonys, without having made a 'deal'. They are hopeful they can buy Casey's freedom, but I always wonder what they're going to do with her after they have her home. I could never look her in the face or ever trust her again, could you?

[spageddy]

I Agree! It's $$$. Sadly, I think there's a lot to be made on this case. Books, movies, interviews & the like. Public interest has been huge. I think the A's have already referred to Caylee as being an angel watching over all other missing kids- so who knows- Maybe a line of memorabilia. Ach. It is a disturbing thought. But a lot of folks will do just about anything for fame, notoriety & $$$.

[Motomom]

It is more than obvious that some arrangement has been made, although it is hidden from the public, at least for now. You and I couldn't afford a defense like this one, and neither can the Anthonys, without having made a 'deal'. They are hopeful they can buy Casey's freedom, but I always wonder what they're going to do with her after they have her home. I could never look her in the face or ever trust her again, could you?

I know I couldn't. I wouldn't visit her or anything if she were mine. Maybe I would take one visit to let her know how disgusting I think she was. It's clear to us, but we aren't in their shoes.

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning everyone. I'm sure we all had trouble sleeping last night. I have had problems for some weeks now, every time I wake up I begin to think about Caylee and this nightmare.

What was the conversation like between baez and cindy and george, when he went to that home last night? I hope that these parents let baez know they will no longer be lying for casey anthony and will instead cooperate fully with LE. I want casey to get that message loud and clear, just in case she missed Brad Conway's statement.

My guess for the idiot who is paying for this creatures defense is Rupert Murdoch, owner of many media outlets including FOX NETWORK.

[n/t]

I'm still waiting to see where the Anthony's go from here. The statement their lawyer gave yesterday was very touching to me and the fact that Casey wasn't mentioned and the comment that they want to see this prosecuted says a lot to me. We'll see I guess. I'm thinking they may be not be standing behind their daughter so much now. While there was still a chance Caylee was alive, even if we knew she wasn't, if that chance is what was keeping them going in their defense of Casey it should end now. Then again, she is still their daughter, but no prayers were asked for her. Any word on when they would release her body for burial?

From what I understand, the decision on a second autopsy by the defense is yet to be made. Dr. Reichs said this last night on LK.

REICHS: That's going to be my primary role, Larry, is I'm going to look at that -- that little skeleton. Identification is not going to be an issue here, because that was done with DNA. But I'm going to look at that skeleton very carefully to see if there's anything -- any kind of trauma, anything that is going to give -- give me information that might have been missed by a pathologist. Because, really, the skeleton -- the expertise brought to bear primarily in that situation would be those of the anthropologist.

[Barbara fl.]

Last night I couldn't wrap my mind around anyone wanting to pay for her defense. To me, it's unfathomable that this anonymous alleged multi millionaire would want to waste money on a suspected baby killer. What kind of person does that? If they have all this money to throw away, why don't they give it to a good cause and not waste it on this monster.

The only solace I get from it is that she will have the <cough> best defense and they can't use that as a reason for an appeal later. When she's convicted, she'll be convicted at the full extent of the law and we can all watch her sorry arse being dragged to prison.

No amount of money will bring Caylee home and the monster who did this to her will rot in hell.


My sentiment exactly.......

[aubrey04]

I'm still waiting to see where the Anthony's go from here. The statement their lawyer gave yesterday was very touching to me and the fact that Casey wasn't mentioned and the comment that they want to see this prosecuted says a lot to me. We'll see I guess. I'm thinking they may be not be standing behind their daughter so much now. While there was still a chance Caylee was alive, even if we knew she wasn't, if that chance is what was keeping them going in their defense of Casey it should end now. Then again, she is still their daughter, but no prayers were asked for her. Any word on when they would release her body for burial?

I've thought that before and it came back to bite me. Every time I think Cindy and George will open their eyes (and shut their mouths) -- it hasn't happened. But I hope they do. Casey's ship is sinking fast and they're going down with her. They need to protect themselves at this point. Hopefully their lawyer is still trying to secure immunity for them and they will follow his advice, as it seems he is trying to lead them in the right direct.

Of course, Nejames tried to do that too and was completely unsuccessful.

[spageddy]

It is more than obvious that some arrangement has been made, although it is hidden from the public, at least for now. You and I couldn't afford a defense like this one, and neither can the Anthonys, without having made a 'deal'. They are hopeful they can buy Casey's freedom, but I always wonder what they're going to do with her after they have her home. I could never look her in the face or ever trust her again, could you?

OMG Sandy, I never even allow myself to think she'd get off, let alone what they's do with her at home! OH Please- let's hope we don't have to find out! One would think they would go into hiding- but it's the Anthony's we're talking about. They'd probably have their own tv show starring Casey-"Tot MOM of the Year- giving parenting- while -partying advice. YES you can do it all, ladies.

[taylor63]

I'm still waiting to see where the Anthony's go from here. The statement their lawyer gave yesterday was very touching to me and the fact that Casey wasn't mentioned and the comment that they want to see this prosecuted says a lot to me. We'll see I guess. I'm thinking they may be not be standing behind their daughter so much now. While there was still a chance Caylee was alive, even if we knew she wasn't, if that chance is what was keeping them going in their defense of Casey it should end now. Then again, she is still their daughter, but no prayers were asked for her. Any word on when they would release her body for burial?

They did not even go to visit Casey yesterday. Even though the jailhouse meetings are taped, this is still their daughter,and they claim she is innocent and loved Caylee so much,so you would think of all days yesterday they would have wanted to be there to comfort and console her as any parent would do in such a tragic situation. It does make me wonder if they are not begining to change their tune already about Casey.

[ellegna]

Larry King already on you tube

Larry King Dec.19_Who killed Caylee Anthony _Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbkdzwFQOMo)
Larry King Dec.19_Who killed Caylee Anthony _Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16cJ8h3Ueio)
Larry King Dec.19_Who killed Caylee Anthony _Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWA1H7vukOI)
Larry King Dec.19_Who killed Caylee Anthony _Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y23Ufuk9Ag)
Larry King Dec.19_Who killed Caylee Anthony _Part 5. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQk5Kc7Uh_E)

[Regina.Lampert]

I'm still waiting to see where the Anthony's go from here. The statement their lawyer gave yesterday was very touching to me and the fact that Casey wasn't mentioned and the comment that they want to see this prosecuted says a lot to me. We'll see I guess. I'm thinking they may be not be standing behind their daughter so much now. While there was still a chance Caylee was alive, even if we knew she wasn't, if that chance is what was keeping them going in their defense of Casey it should end now. Then again, she is still their daughter, but no prayers were asked for her. Any word on when they would release her body for burial?


Morning Moto! I agree with you, yesterday's statement from the anthonys was significant and may indicate a sea change in their defense of casey and all her lies. Time will surely tell the story.

I have always thought cindy had the potential to be just as volatile against casey, as she was for her if the facts told her that she was indeed responsible for Caylee's murder. I think she is at that crossroad as of yesterday and it's only going to get worse for her as more facts immerge.

At any rate, yesterday was a day in hell for them and I don't care what they have done in the past, to kick them when they are down is something I could not do. Right now, they get the benefit of the doubt that they are going to do the right thing for Caylee and that is help bring her killer to justice.

[FrankieBones1]

Well one has to assume that it's someone with a lot of money. I did hear it last night. I can't remember if it was on LK or NG.((Snipped for length as per Coldwater's request))
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/19/lkl.01.htmlWouldn't the State end up paying for the entire defense team's experts when it comes to the trial?

[Barbara fl.]

I just hope and pray there is substantial evidence to bring Casey to justice. Her lies are not evidence and, according to the Medical Examiner, there was no evidence of trauma found on the remains of Caylee. I am worried and hope there is evidence that ties everything to Casey.

What a gross injustice it will be if the killer of little Caylee walks free.


Most all cases are circumstantial...unless someone caught it on viseo...This case has more circumstances than the Peterson case and he is on death row....A cause of death was never determined on Laci and Conner either....it didn't matter, Scott still got the DP...

Whatever Casey did to Caylee will probably never be known....but all the circumstances surrounding this case will bring Casey to at least life in prison....and she knows it and so does the family...

Casey will never be able to lie her way out of this...it is too damaging of a case....and too heart felt of a case....She will be paying for what she did...no way out of this....and GP's wont be able to forgive her for the State....

[msgatorslayer]

I'm still waiting to see where the Anthony's go from here. The statement their lawyer gave yesterday was very touching to me and the fact that Casey wasn't mentioned and the comment that they want to see this prosecuted says a lot to me. We'll see I guess. I'm thinking they may be not be standing behind their daughter so much now. While there was still a chance Caylee was alive, even if we knew she wasn't, if that chance is what was keeping them going in their defense of Casey it should end now. Then again, she is still their daughter, but no prayers were asked for her. Any word on when they would release her body for burial?

G'morning everyone.

Yeah, it was touching. I do feel bad for them. Set aside their own outrageous behaviors and they have lost 2 people in their family. It is a tragedy!! They've been through a lot in the past 6 months.

However, I'm not ready to think that they've came around just yet. In their statement about wanting to see it prosecuted, who are they talking about? Casey, or the Zanny that doesn't exist? Can go both ways. And until we see or hear more from them, I will go with what they've been doing all along. Protecting Casey and wanting the real killer caught and punished.

[ellegna]

They did not even go to visit Casey yesterday. Even though the jailhouse meetings are taped, this is still their daughter,and they claim she is innocent and loved Caylee so much,so you would think of all days yesterday they would have wanted to be there to comfort and console her as any parent would do in such a tragic situation. It does make me wonder if they are not begining to change their tune already about Casey.

I wasn't surprised. I truly believe the A's knew all along Caylee was gone and Casey was responsible therefore could not go to the jail to console a murderer.

[FrankieBones1]

I just hope and pray there is substantial evidence to bring Casey to justice. Her lies are not evidence and, according to the Medical Examiner, there was no evidence of trauma found on the remains of Caylee. I am worried and hope there is evidence that ties everything to Casey.

What a gross injustice it will be if the killer of little Caylee walks free.

I'm not too worried about Dr. Jan G not finding evidence of trauma. I think the toxicology will tell the tale. Caylee's hair will most likely hold all the evidence against her mother.

[Barbara fl.]

Wouldn't the State end up paying for the entire defense team's experts when it comes to the trial?


No...Anyone hired by the defense team will either have to be "pro bono" or paid thru a private source.....State will only pay for their own witnesses....Florida would only have paid for her defense attorney (legal aide) but I'm not sure if Baez was hired thru legal aide or not...

The State would have been responsible to hire a "death penalty case" lawyer if it had to...but I understand that Baez brought someone on the team that has this experience....

But, no...any experts or witnesses will have to be paid by the defense....The publicity on this case will probably be payment enough for most of them....

[RainyNiteNTx]

G'morning everyone.

Yeah, it was touching. I do feel bad for them. Set aside their own outrageous behaviors and they have lost 2 people in their family. It is a tragedy!! They've been through a lot in the past 6 months.

However, I'm not ready to think that they've came around just yet. In their statement about wanting to see it prosecuted, who are they talking about? Casey, or the Zanny that doesn't exist? Can go both ways. And until we see or hear more from them, I will go with what they've been doing all along. Protecting Casey and wanting the real killer caught and punished.

Why are they now asking for immunity? Are her little remains going to reveal some answers? Had her little remains not been found, would they still be insisting that the public get out and look for her?

[FrankieBones1]

I wasn't surprised. I truly believe the A's knew all along Caylee was gone and Casey was responsible therefore could not go to the jail to console a murderer.

Great job on starting the new thread for us all today! I agree with you about the Anthonys not going to the jail to see their monster. I just hope they can stand up in court and tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth in March.

[cassidy]

I'm still waiting to see where the Anthony's go from here. The statement their lawyer gave yesterday was very touching to me and the fact that Casey wasn't mentioned and the comment that they want to see this prosecuted says a lot to me. We'll see I guess. I'm thinking they may be not be standing behind their daughter so much now. While there was still a chance Caylee was alive, even if we knew she wasn't, if that chance is what was keeping them going in their defense of Casey it should end now. Then again, she is still their daughter, but no prayers were asked for her. Any word on when they would release her body for burial?

I found the statement by their attorny to be very ambiguous. While he did not mention Casey, he DID state that the Anthony family stands together in this. Which could mean many things, including: #1 they still believe Casey and her stories. #2 They don't believe Casey and her stories but are going to stand by her through the trial. or #3 I'm reading things into it that aren't there :). I do believe that the statement was drawn up largely by their attorney.As I stated last nite, there is no doubt in my mind that they truly loved and adored Caylee. However, she is beyond their help now and there is still their daughter to contend with. It should be interesting to see how they play this out in the upcoming weeks and months.

JMO

ps I think they can stand beside their daughter and find justice for Caylee. The two are not mutually exclusive.

[SandyO]

If possible, try to think like an Anthony here. They have definitely lost one of the two, and there's no more denying it. Now they have more reason than ever to try to save the second one. Cindy and George are not in shock right now --- they have known for a long time that Caylee was gone --- but the denial has to end now. I also am going to be watching them, but for the time being, with a funeral to get through, they have my sympathies.

[n/t]

Wouldn't the State end up paying for the entire defense team's experts when it comes to the trial?

I thought it was only if they couldn't afford it, Frankie but good question. Would the State pay these high profile experts?? For some reason that doesn't make sense to me. Did the State of California have to pay for Spector's defense team? :confused:

[FrankieBones1]

(((snipped for length only)))
But, no...any experts or witnesses will have to be paid by the defense....The publicity on this case will probably be payment enough for most of them....Thanks, Barbara. I think these celebrity experts like the exposure, too.

[msgatorslayer]

I'm not too worried about Dr. Jan G not finding evidence of trauma. I think the toxicology will tell the tale. Caylee's hair will most likely hold all the evidence against her mother.

I'm not worried either Frankie. A 2 year old didn't die of natural causes while playing in the woods unattended. That's for sure. Someone killed her, even if COD cannot be determined. And they dumped her body in the woods in an attempt to hide it. I have no doubt that the circumstantial evidence will lead a jury to convict Casey. And I'm hoping that the crime scene holds a lot of evidence that connects Caylee's remains to Casey as the killer which will help seal the deal.

[courtsinsession]

I'm still waiting to see where the Anthony's go from here. The statement their lawyer gave yesterday was very touching to me and the fact that Casey wasn't mentioned and the comment that they want to see this prosecuted says a lot to me. We'll see I guess. I'm thinking they may be not be standing behind their daughter so much now. While there was still a chance Caylee was alive, even if we knew she wasn't, if that chance is what was keeping them going in their defense of Casey it should end now. Then again, she is still their daughter, but no prayers were asked for her. Any word on when they would release her body for burial?

I hope the conversation between George and Cindy goes something like:
George: (crying) Cindy, I know we love Casey but-I mean Caylee was found around the corner from our home; she had that baby for a month Cindy before we knew Caylee was missing; How could she afford a nanny, she hadn't worked in two years? and the smell, I know the smell of death Cindy and it was in that car. I think it's time for us to consider the unthinkable, unfathomable possibility here and tell the police what we know---

Cindy: I don't know George, I still don't think Casey is capable of such a thing; I mean i don't think she ever abused Caylee- I know she loved her; but ---I don't know if I can accept that Casey did this but I think it is time to be up front with the police---

Let's hope and pray they do the right thing

[ellegna]

Great job on starting the new thread for us all today! I agree with you about the Anthonys not going to the jail to see their monster. I just hope they can stand up in court and tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth in March.

Thanks Frankie. I too pray the A's will do right by Caylee now

[courtsinsession]

I just hope and pray there is substantial evidence to bring Casey to justice. Her lies are not evidence and, according to the Medical Examiner, there was no evidence of trauma found on the remains of Caylee. I am worried and hope there is evidence that ties everything to Casey.

What a gross injustice it will be if the killer of little Caylee walks free.

we all know that killers walk all the time and look at the case of Spector getting a hung jury; i mean who in their right mind would believe Lana Clarkson killed herself in his home; it is almost a laughable theory if it weren't so deadly serious; and the jury couldn't convict him; that one still stuns me and reminds me that if you through enough crap before a jury, something might stick and the perp can go free. very very sad.

[DoubleALady]

"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who
practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars — their place will be in the fiery lake of
burning sulfur." (Revelation 21:8)

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Not all liars are murderers, but all murderers are liars.

[Barbara fl.]

If possible, try to think like an Anthony here. They have definitely lost one of the two, and there's no more denying it. Now they have more reason than ever to try to save the second one. Cindy and George are not in shock right now --- they have known for a long time that Caylee was gone --- but the denial has to end now. I also am going to be watching them, but for the time being, with a funeral to get through, they have my sympathies.


Also...I heard Baez say that only a little of the truth to what happened is out there and that we will learn the truth at the trial....

What would be Casey excuse now for not telling the public her story..(ha)..Her and the GP's reason was always to protect Caylee....Well Caylee is gone now so who can "ZENAIDA" hurt now?

When someone is blackmailing another. They usually do not kill what they are blackmailing with....No sense to that....So what will Casey's reason be now for not telling the story....Caylee is gone so she has nothing to claim to protect by not talking......


Casey "MURDERED" Caylee...no doubt at all...no one else is involved....ONLY CASEY....

[courtsinsession]

Most all cases are circumstantial...unless someone caught it on viseo...This case has more circumstances than the Peterson case and he is on death row....A cause of death was never determined on Laci and Conner either....it didn't matter, Scott still got the DP...

Whatever Casey did to Caylee will probably never be known....but all the circumstances surrounding this case will bring Casey to at least life in prison....and she knows it and so does the family...

Casey will never be able to lie her way out of this...it is too damaging of a case....and too heart felt of a case....She will be paying for what she did...no way out of this....and GP's wont be able to forgive her for the State....

but in the Peterson case they had Amber Frey's tapes; that sealed the deal.

[cassidy]

Let's hope and pray they do the right thing

And the coming months will tell us whether they do or don't.

[SandyO]

we all know that killers walk all the time and look at the case of Spector getting a hung jury; i mean who in their right mind would believe Lana Clarkson killed herself in his home; it is almost a laughable theory if it weren't so deadly serious; and the jury couldn't convict him; that one still stuns me and reminds me that if you through enough crap before a jury, something might stick and the perp can go free. very very sad.

I believe this is the basket in which you will find all of the Anthony eggs.

[cassidy]

I believe this is the basket in which you will find all of the Anthony eggs.

And I believe that you are right, but I hope they shock me .
JMO

[Barbara fl.]

we all know that killers walk all the time and look at the case of Spector getting a hung jury; i mean who in their right mind would believe Lana Clarkson killed herself in his home; it is almost a laughable theory if it weren't so deadly serious; and the jury couldn't convict him; that one still stuns me and reminds me that if you through enough crap before a jury, something might stick and the perp can go free. very very sad.


That is what we have to worry about...a "hung jury"...It seems that you can always find one person that will go against the grain of truth and want to be different....

But that will only bring a "hung jury" and she would be tried again....In the Spector case it was a win for him, he was able to stay free while a new trial was in the making...he is still free...and at his age and the looks of his health...he felt that he got off with the murder....However, his new trial is coming up and he wont be smiling anylonger...

But with Casey....a hung jury will not be a win for her...she does not have a million dollars to post to stay out while a new trial is in progress....she will have to remain in jail....and even if she had the money....there is no bond in Florida (death penalty state) for murder one.....IMO... she will never see daylite from the outside again...

[Regina.Lampert]

I'm not worried either Frankie. A 2 year old didn't die of natural causes while playing in the woods unattended. That's for sure. Someone killed her, even if COD cannot be determined. And they dumped her body in the woods in an attempt to hide it. I have no doubt that the circumstantial evidence will lead a jury to convict Casey. And I'm hoping that the crime scene holds a lot of evidence that connects Caylee's remains to Casey as the killer which will help seal the deal.

Morning gator! Last night on one of the shows they showed a picture of the crimescene and I was struck by how similar the book at the scene, matched the book Caylee was looking thru at the nursing home, you could almost see the exact pages as Caylee was flipping thru them because they put up a split screen.

Like our poster houseofclark said yesterday, that was no accident that LE revealed that photo. I think it was a shot over the bow of this defense.

[msgatorslayer]

I thought it was only if they couldn't afford it, Frankie but good question. Would the State pay these high profile experts?? For some reason that doesn't make sense to me. Did the State of California have to pay for Spector's defense team? :confused:

Since Casey is indigent, yes, the state could end up paying for this dream team. Just like in Scott Peterson's case. The defendants parents were paying for the defense but once the money ran out, he, as an indigent defendant, was able to ask for the state to pay. And I guess a defendant has the right to use the people that he/she had been using. People who already know the case. Don't know the legalities of it all. I'm sure the experts are paid by the state like a public defender. I don't think they get the high dollar they would normally get for a cash paying customer. JMO

[trich]

Good morning.

I have to say that I am of the firm belief that Cindy and George have known all along from the moment they picked up the car and then found Casey they knew that Caylee was dead and that Casey did it.
There is no other reason IMO for them to have behaved as they have done.
I also don't believe they are going to help the prosecutor in any way shape or form to convict their daughter.
Casey will never admit to what she has done and Cindy and George will continue to believe in her lies.
I know that sounds cynical but I truely believe the above.
I do hope that the pros have everything to nail down a conviction and that Casey spends the rest of her life in prison ....wishing she had never done what she did.

[Barbara fl.]

but in the Peterson case they had Amber Frey's tapes; that sealed the deal.


And in this case they have Casey's tapes of lies....they have DNA of death in the trunk....etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., Don't forget, Peterson never confessed on any of those tapes...he just lied...

This case beats the Peterson case way beyond any doubt whatsoever...

[aubrey04]

Why are they now asking for immunity? Are her little remains going to reveal some answers? Had her little remains not been found, would they still be insisting that the public get out and look for her?

I have a theory on this. First of all, there has been media reports stating they might get charged with obstruction of justice.. So that might be the first reason why Brad Conway wants to stick up an agreement.

However, I believe there is more to it than that. This is just my opinion.. But I do believe that Conway MIGHT be worried that Casey's defense team might try to throw them under the bus. The nanny store isn't going to work. The jury will not trust anything the defense says if they try to parade that nonsense in front of them. So someone is going to have to take the fall.. and since George hasn't been ruled out as making those disturbing computer searches (at least not that I know of).. he would be a great fall guy. Especially if the defense claimed abuse went on in the home.

I think Lee lawyered up for the same reason. JMO, but the Anthony's should be scared of Casey.. She is a hurricane and destroys everything in her path and she's not done destroying.. imo.

[msgatorslayer]

Morning gator! Last night on one of the shows they showed a picture of the crimescene and I was struck by how similar the book at the scene, matched the book Caylee was looking thru at the nursing home, you could almost see the exact pages as Caylee was flipping thru them because they put up a split screen.

Like our poster houseofclark said yesterday, that was no accident that LE revealed that photo. I think it was a shot over the bow of this defense.

Morning, Reggie.

The book will be very important, if it is Caylee's. She was last seen with it in that video. Casey telling LE that Caylee called her and was happy. Only spoke of her book and her shoes. {Recalling the last things she remember of her, IMO} Could also be setting it up to look like the Zanny did it. However, Casey wasn't at the nursing home and probably didn't know that book was captured on video. She may have chit her pants by day 40 or so when she seen it splashed on CNN.

[n/t]

Also...I heard Baez say that only a little of the truth to what happened is out there and that we will learn the truth at the trial....

What would be Casey excuse now for not telling the public her story..(ha)..Her and the GP's reason was always to protect Caylee....Well Caylee is gone now so who can "ZENAIDA" hurt now?

When someone is blackmailing another. They usually do not kill what they are blackmailing with....No sense to that....So what will Casey's reason be now for not telling the story....Caylee is gone so she has nothing to claim to protect by not talking......


Casey "MURDERED" Caylee...no doubt at all...no one else is involved....ONLY CASEY....


The 31 days will convict her. 31 days of not telling anyone that her baby girl was missing. And we all know what she was doing during those 31 days. We have photos, we have witness statements, we have video.....

I believe with all my heart that the jury will see beyond the disgusting smokes and mirrors that will undoubtly be put forth my the defense and convict her.

[Barbara fl.]

For some reason Miss Casey doesn't seem to need money. I would sure like to know what's with that?


She does have a few supporters that have been putting money into her account....I can't figure that one out....why anyone would give her a dime is beyond me...

Could be Lee is putting money in the account....however none of that will last forever...she bought alot of goodies the other day (after finding out about a body being found)....What did that do, give her an appitite?

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning.

I have to say that I am of the firm belief that Cindy and George have known all along from the moment they picked up the car and then found Casey they knew that Caylee was dead and that Casey did it.
There is no other reason IMO for them to have behaved as they have done.
I also don't believe they are going to help the prosecutor in any way shape or form to convict their daughter.
Casey will never admit to what she has done and Cindy and George will continue to believe in her lies.
I know that sounds cynical but I truely believe the above.
I do hope that the pros have everything to nail down a conviction and that Casey spends the rest of her life in prison ....wishing she had never done what she did.

I respect that opinion Trich, heaven knows there are many facts upon which to base it. The rubber has met the road now and I think we will learn very soon which way the anthonys will roll. With their lying daughter or with their angel of a Granddaughter.

[msgatorslayer]

From what I understand in Florida the state will only pay if you have a public defender I could be wrong on this.

I'm trying to think of other cases where the defendant initially paid for the defense and then had to have the state pay, in Florida. Can't think of any. Maybe someone else can.

[KatieKates]

but in the Peterson case they had Amber Frey's tapes; that sealed the deal.

Very true. I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't some huge piece of evidence out there waiting to close this thing up. And a side note, Scott Peterson has the luxury of being in CA which means he'll probably never get to meet his end by lethal injection, but they kill them fast in FLA. They should use the death penalty as a way to get her to confess to what really happened. JMO.

[TaintedHalo]

I'm not too worried about Dr. Jan G not finding evidence of trauma. I think the toxicology will tell the tale. Caylee's hair will most likely hold all the evidence against her mother.

I don't post here regularly, but I thought Dr. Baden sounded like an idiot when he was trying to reflect negatively on Dr. G's ME report last night.

[Barbara fl.]

The 31 days will convict her. 31 days of not telling anyone that her baby girl was missing. And we all know what she was doing during those 31 days. We have photos, we have witness statements, we have video.....

I believe with all my heart that the jury will see beyond the disgusting smokes and mirrors that will undoubtly be put forth my the defense and convict her.


Yes...I can not see ANY jury even coming back "HUNG"....she is going to remain in jail for the rest of her life so she might as well get comfortable......

Could be that's why she went on a shopping spree after learning about the body being found...She might very well have said to herself "well I might as well get comfortable".

[KatieKates]

Actually I was referring to lawyers and the last bail that was posted.:confused:

Private interests. They come out of the woodwork when they smell money!

[SandyO]

I think Lee lawyered up for the same reason. JMO, but the Anthony's should be scared of Casey.. She is a hurricane and destroys everything in her path and she's not done destroying.. imo.

(Snipped for space and CW)

I believe you are 100% correct with your fears, Aubrey. Casey has no feelings for anyone, and certainly no honor or morals. I don't think it would bother her for one minute to shove the blame off on another person, even her own parents and/or brother.

[beetlebrow]

Last night I couldn't wrap my mind around anyone wanting to pay for her defense. To me, it's unfathomable that this anonymous alleged multi millionaire would want to waste money on a suspected baby killer. What kind of person does that? If they have all this money to throw away, why don't they give it to a good cause and not waste it on this monster.

The only solace I get from it is that she will have the <cough> best defense and they can't use that as a reason for an appeal later. When she's convicted, she'll be convicted at the full extent of the law and we can all watch her sorry arse being dragged to prison.

No amount of money will bring Caylee home and the monster who did this to her will rot in hell.


I could come unglued every time someone defends her.......I know that they could not possibly know the evidence like we do.....remember when Lenny bailed her out?

But then I think......HaHa.......wait till the trial......then you will see every one of these people backtracking :lol:

[kellabeck]

I just hope and pray there is substantial evidence to bring Casey to justice. Her lies are not evidence and, according to the Medical Examiner, there was no evidence of trauma found on the remains of Caylee. I am worried and hope there is evidence that ties everything to Casey.

What a gross injustice it will be if the killer of little Caylee walks free.

Her lies and all of her behavior is EVIDENCE!!

Do not be fooled by the nattering defense attorneys on tv some of whom say that not being able to determine the cause of death means the case is doomed. Piffle!!

You can bet that these investigators are keeping their cards close to the vest and that they have a lot more than we know, including everything found with the body and which linked that bag back to the Ant house.

Caylee's killer is behind bars and will never breathe free air, drink a Cosmo, gyrate on a pole, text her friends or enter a hot body contest ever again.

Amen and good morning!!

[Regina.Lampert]

Morning, Reggie.

The book will be very important, if it is Caylee's. She was last seen with it in that video. Casey telling LE that Caylee called her and was happy. Only spoke of her book and her shoes. {Recalling the last things she remember of her, IMO} Could also be setting it up to look like the Zanny did it. However, Casey wasn't at the nursing home and probably didn't know that book was captured on video. She may have chit her pants by day 40 or so when she seen it splashed on CNN.


Yep and could be THE item referred to by Sheriff Beary when he was asked if there was something at the crimescene that led back to the anthony home and he answered: Absolutely!

[Barbara fl.]

Actually I was referring to lawyers and the last bail that was posted.:confused:


Sorry....The last bail was posted by 2 different sources...each post 25,000. It was hinted that it was due to a book deal being signed...but it has not been proven in any way that that is the truth....

As for her defense and "dream team" I believe it is all being done "pro bono"....That happens alot in such high profile cases....they do it for the publicity...

[TaintedHalo]

Was that on Geraldo? I had to purposely steer clear of him last night.

Greta....I'm trying to see if the transcript is up.

[msgatorslayer]

Very true. I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't some huge piece of evidence out there waiting to close this thing up. And a side note, Scott Peterson has the luxury of being in CA which means he'll probably never get to meet his end by lethal injection, but they kill them fast in FLA. They should use the death penalty as a way to get her to confess to what really happened. JMO.

While Florida may be a bit faster than Cali in carrying out the ultimate punishment, they're not that fast. There are still peeps from the 70's on Florida DR. And, IIRC, statistically, on average, I believe 4 or 6 are carried out, yearly. And those are for years when the death penalty wasn't put on hold cause of a head setting on fire or a vein not being found.

More states should be like Texas, IMO.

[beetlebrow]

Thanks Frankie. I too pray the A's will do right by Caylee now

This family has been living with secrets, lies and manipulation for so long, I think that if anything they will become MORE defensive.

[Barbara fl.]

I don't post here regularly, but I thought Dr. Baden sounded like an idiot when he was trying to reflect negatively on Dr. G's ME report last night.


Ever since the Spector case, Dr. Baden has sounded like an idiot...Don't forget his wife "Linda Baden" is on this dream team and hubby will do what wife wants him to....it's easy to see who wears the pants in that family....

[KatieKates]

While Florida may be a bit faster than Cali in carrying out the ultimate punishment, they're not that fast. There are still peeps from the 70's on Florida DR. And, IIRC, statistically, on average, I believe 4 or 6 are carried out, yearly. And those are for years when the death penalty wasn't put on hold cause of a head setting on fire or a vein not being found.

More states should be like Texas, IMO.

Eileen Wuornos. Florida takes care of the high profiles very quickly, in comparison to other states. She'll be put to death if she doesn't take a plea. JMO.

[kellabeck]

I am of the firm belief that Cindy and George have known all along from the moment they picked up the car and then found Casey they knew that Caylee was dead and that Casey did it.
There is no other reason IMO for them to have behaved as they have done.
I also don't believe they are going to help the prosecutor in any way shape or form to convict their daughter.
Casey will never admit to what she has done and Cindy and George will continue to believe in her lies.
I know that sounds cynical but I truely believe the above.
I do hope that the pros have everything to nail down a conviction and that Casey spends the rest of her life in prison ....wishing she had never done what she did.

They've known all along--- ITA!
They aren't going to help the prosecution-- ITA!
Casey will never confess--- NEVER!
The Ants will continue to drink the KoolAid-- Agreed!
Not cynical. Realistic.
The pros has more than we know and enough to nail her down BEFORE the body was found and they have more, including what linked the bag and body to the house.
Casey will die in prison but
wishing she was never caught.

[freesia2wate]

I had to come out of lurking to ask a question that has been bothering me. The GP's said they were ready to sit down with LE and tell the entire truth without inconsistancies. WHEN are they going to do this? I have heard nothing more about this.....TIA

[beetlebrow]

Oh yeah Greta, but I figured he would be on.
Last night I was in such a funk I couldn't stomach any of the Biaz koolaid :thumbdown:


ITA.....he was soooooo upset that a priest told Casey the news instead of himself.......he even positioned one of his lawyers to be with her all day Friday..........

Might as well just have come out and said I dont want anyone else to see Casey's blank stare when told the body is Caylee :tonguewag:

[trich]

I have a rant ...in one word:

GERALDO:flamemad:

[starling]

we all know that killers walk all the time and look at the case of Spector getting a hung jury; i mean who in their right mind would believe Lana Clarkson killed herself in his home; it is almost a laughable theory if it weren't so deadly serious; and the jury couldn't convict him; that one still stuns me and reminds me that if you through enough crap before a jury, something might stick and the perp can go free. very very sad.

ITA. That one is sad as was OJ's first trial.
I'm not worried about this one as all kinds of smoke & mirrors were floated out for Scott Peterson & even jury problems and look where he is at...I don't know one person who thinks Casey is innocent. I had a conversation at the market yesterday with a woman who has been a parole officer for many decades. She said even with all the evil & mental illness she deals with on a daily basis she is really sick and upset with this one.She usually can thoughtfully process most perps but this one has shaken her to the core.
She wants Casey to never ever see the light of the outside again.


JMO

[kellabeck]

Ever since the Spector case, Dr. Baden has sounded like an idiot...SNIP..

I beg to differ. Baden has sounded like an idiot since BEFORE the Spector case!

I am thinking of the Seymour Schuss case which incidentally was litigated by the venerable Jayne Weintraub. Schuss --a retiree in FL-- got into an argument with another retiree, Mr. Rosenberg in an early bird movie line---and enraged, Schuss punched Mr R who fell to the pavement, his head smacking the cement. Taken to the ER, Mr R later fell into a coma from which he never awoke and died some days later, his skull fractured and internal bleeding in the brain. Schuss was charged with a lesser form of homicide, involuntary or something, I don't recall. Obviously not 1st degree.

But Baden actually testified that Schuss just happened to punch Rosenberg at the very moment Mr R was having an aneurysm!! Mr Rosenberg died, not from the striking of his head to the pavement but of natural causes and Mr Schuss was just unlucky. Really.

[HouseOfClark]

Morning gator! Last night on one of the shows they showed a picture of the crimescene and I was struck by how similar the book at the scene, matched the book Caylee was looking thru at the nursing home, you could almost see the exact pages as Caylee was flipping thru them because they put up a split screen.

Like our poster houseofclark said yesterday, that was no accident that LE revealed that photo. I think it was a shot over the bow of this defense.

And here I thought no one paid attention to my demented musings.

I checked Amazon and eBay for that book. No luck so far. I understand it is out of print, as of 1985 as I recall. Which is even more sickening to think it was possibly Casey's book as a child.

It has really thick pages, like a lot of children's books, so it has definitely stood up to time. Even more so now, provided that is the same book.

You can definitely see a small kitten on the outer edge of the book in the crime scene photo.

[SandyO]

I am wondering about funeral arrangements for Caylee. Will George and Cindy be making those arrangements today, or considering that some of Caylee's remains have been sent to Quantico will they wait for all parts to be returned before they have a burial? Will all pieces and parts EVER be returned. God, what an awful subject!

[marshmallow]

I think they can stand beside their daughter and find justice for Caylee. The two are not mutually exclusive.


I feel the same way. We love our children whether they do wrong or right, that's part of parenting. And the Anthonys can stand alongside her and still have her held accountable for what she's done.

We've made a vow here to no longer watch any of the shows that discuss Caylee. Our reasoning is that the shows were bad before but on the day Caylee's remaoins were officially identified they were all disrespecting her memory. A child is dead, her body identified and we have inane conversations on tv. "choked on gum", "waste of taxpayers money", "dream team", "earrings for birthday" etc...
(not direct quotes) We've decided to spend that time doing something as a family instead of watching tv folk talk about (or skip over) Caylee as if she's an "it" not a "she".

and Fox news is no longer programmed into our remotes. my son did that. He's Casey's age and a new father and he was sickened by Fox's Geraldo a thon.

[GentleBreeze]

I'm not too worried about Dr. Jan G not finding evidence of trauma. I think the toxicology will tell the tale. Caylee's hair will most likely hold all the evidence against her mother.

I agree, Frankie.

Dr. G said that even the toxicology report would not give a definitive COD but imo, what it will do is offer another piece of circumstantial evidence. If any foreign substance is found in Caylee it will be astounding. No child this age should have any toxic chemical.

I read the most interesting article last week and it was about this very thing. The death had been ruled as natural causes but the family members insisted that it was murder. The body by then had been cremated yet the scientist was able to extract from the ashes that the victim had been poisoned and had high contents of the poisoning still found in the cremated remains.

imoo

[marshmallow]

ITA.....he was soooooo upset that a priest told Casey the news instead of himself.......he even positioned one of his lawyers to be with her all day Friday..........

Might as well just have come out and said I dont want anyone else to see Casey's blank stare when told the body is Caylee :tonguewag:

he was all about Casey and never addressed the short life that was ended.

[TaintedHalo]

Ever since the Spector case, Dr. Baden has sounded like an idiot...Don't forget his wife "Linda Baden" is on this dream team and hubby will do what wife wants him to....it's easy to see who wears the pants in that family....


Basically what he said was that Dr. G shouldn't have classed the case as "homicide - cause undetermined." He said she should have waited for tox reports. That IS what she said - she just didn't say it in ONE sentence - guess he couldn't follow along.

[n/t]

ITA.....he was soooooo upset that a priest told Casey the news instead of himself.......he even positioned one of his lawyers to be with her all day Friday..........

Might as well just have come out and said I dont want anyone else to see Casey's blank stare when told the body is Caylee :tonguewag:


There's something not right with Baez, imo :blink:

[Regina.Lampert]

I had to come out of lurking to ask a question that has been bothering me. The GP's said they were ready to sit down with LE and tell the entire truth without inconsistancies. WHEN are they going to do this? I have heard nothing more about this.....TIA

Brad Conway mentioned the anthonys willingness to cooperate fully with law enforcement's investigation yesterday when giving the statement. We may never know the exact dates they do their interviews and more then likely they will be ongoing as more evidence is developed by the investigators.

[KatieKates]

Basically what he said was that Dr. G shouldn't have classed the case as "homicide - cause undetermined." He said she should have waited for tox reports. That IS what she said - she just didn't say it in ONE sentence - guess he couldn't follow along.

The spotlight sure has made him sound like an idiot. While I used to have a lot of respect for his opinion, I feel he's simply a celebrity now and I can't take him seriously. He'll "say for pay," because yeah, in the end anything is possible.

[TaintedHalo]

ITA.....he was soooooo upset that a priest told Casey the news instead of himself.......he even positioned one of his lawyers to be with her all day Friday..........

Might as well just have come out and said I dont want anyone else to see Casey's blank stare when told the body is Caylee :tonguewag:

This is all so sad, but I couldn't help but laugh at his frustration.

[september]

I agree n/t. What possessed anyone to pay for her defense? Maybe the key word here is "possessed"?
Has anyone confirmed a multi-millionaire is paying or was it just rumored? I was not able to catch up on all last nights discussions if this was addressed.

I don't believe it is a rich sugar daddy.......I think all have signed on for a portion of the movie and book deals and the publicity. Baden both Mr and Mrs., Henry lee and Spitz had their reputations tarnished if not destroyed. This is a way to get back in the game.

[marshmallow]

ITA.....he was soooooo upset that a priest told Casey the news instead of himself.......he even positioned one of his lawyers to be with her all day Friday..........

Might as well just have come out and said I dont want anyone else to see Casey's blank stare when told the body is Caylee :tonguewag:



that's it exactly. I think he was worried someone'd see her nonreaction, not her reaction.

[n/t]

I agree, Frankie.

Dr. G said that even the toxicology report would not give a definitive COD but imo, what it will do is offer another piece of circumstantial evidence. If any foreign substance is found in Caylee it will be astounding. No child this age should have any toxic chemical.

I read the most interesting article last week and it was about this very thing. The death had been ruled as natural causes but the family members insisted that it was murder. The body by then had been cremated yet the scientist was able to extract from the ashes that the victim had been poisoned and had high contents of the poisoning still found in the cremated remains.

imoo


Wow that is truly amazing. I'm not worried about COD. They don't need COD to convict her. Like you said, the circumstantial evidence is astounding in this case. If they find any toxic chemical, it will be icing on the cake.

[beetlebrow]

Yep and could be THE item referred to by Sheriff Beary when he was asked if there was something at the crimescene that led back to the anthony home and he answered: Absolutely!

Yes.....they have been dropping strong hints that they have evidence that directly ties Casey to the body.

I wonder if Florida's sunshine laws cover this evidence. Will we know what it is before the trial??. I think the local news is definitely going to go to court asap to try and get the evidence released. Can't the prosecution hold the evidence though???

[HouseOfClark]

I am wondering about funeral arrangements for Caylee. Will George and Cindy be making those arrangements today, or considering that some of Caylee's remains have been sent to Quantico will they wait for all parts to be returned before they have a burial? Will all pieces and parts EVER be returned. God, what an awful subject!

I thought I understood Dr. G to say that all of the remains sent to Quantico had been returned, with the exception of some hair and enough bone for tox testing. Maybe I misheard.

I do believe that the police in their very thorough search of the area where the remains were found, were wanting to make Caylee whole again.

Then we still have the "2nd autopsy" by the Defense. I wish the Anthonys would refuse.

[summer4meplz]

Good morning everyone. I'm sure we all had trouble sleeping last night. I have had problems for some weeks now, every time I wake up I begin to think about Caylee and this nightmare.

What was the conversation like between baez and cindy and george, when he went to that home last night? I hope that these parents let baez know they will no longer be lying for casey anthony and will instead cooperate fully with LE. I want casey to get that message loud and clear, just in case she missed Brad Conway's statement.

My guess for the idiot who is paying for this creatures defense is Rupert Murdoch, owner of many media outlets including FOX NETWORK.


good morning everyone! I think rupert is a good guess....it has to be someone with very deep pockets and that would explain all of fox's shows being so defense slanted.....

I am anxious to hear about the funeral plans...I hope I'm wrong, but I've been thinking that they will make it private and sell the video to the highest bidder....I hope cindy and george have had an epiphany about how wrong the road is they have been on and hopefully it's not too late to get back on the right road.....it's just not right to lie to authorities and even worse to destroy evidence.....I've never faulted them for clinging to the hope that Caylee is alive..but I've never thought that was what they were actually doing.....

for Caylee:rose:

[msgatorslayer]

Eileen Wuornos. Florida takes care of the high profiles very quickly, in comparison to other states. She'll be put to death if she doesn't take a plea. JMO.

Aileen wanted to die. She fired her attorney, IIRC, didn't want any more appeals. Her x-attorney, on her behalf, called for a shrink to eval her prior to the death sentence being carried out. Her death sentence was put on hold by the Governor in order for that to happen.

If Aileen didn't have a death wish, she'd still be on DR. IMO

[summer4meplz]

Wouldn't the State end up paying for the entire defense team's experts when it comes to the trial?

Hi Frankie....why would the state have to pay.....jose is not a public defender? I don't know how these things work...

[HouseOfClark]

that's it exactly. I think he was worried someone'd see her nonreaction, not her reaction.

And then he couldn't regale us with tales of sedatives, panic attacks, breakdowns, and struggling.

[PepperJack]

Any new news? Whats going on at the Grandparents house?

for Caylee:rose:

[ellegna]

This family has been living with secrets, lies and manipulation for so long, I think that if anything they will become MORE defensive.

I will give the A's 50/50 on this one. They can go either or
Growing up as kids, my parents always told us Christmas is the time for miracles. Finding Caylee was a miracle now I hope by some miracle the A's and Casey will come clean and tell the truth.

[KatieKates]

Aileen wanted to die. She fired her attorney, IIRC, didn't want any more appeals. Her x-attorney, on her behalf, called for a shrink to eval her prior to the death sentence being carried out. Her death sentence was put on hold by the Governor in order for that to happen.

If Aileen didn't have a death wish, she'd still be on DR. IMO

Really? So if a prisoner says kill me know, they jump all the other prisoners to put them to death? She appealed but then decided to stop. That shouldn't hold any water on her "place in line," for lack of a better term. That doesn't make sense but I'll take your word for it.

[beetlebrow]

There's something not right with Baez, imo :blink:


ITA.....that wasn't a very smart thing to do......he should have just said she was upset and left it at that.

It seems like every time a camera and a microphone are in front of him he just cant help himself.

Kinda shows whats most important to him.....IMO, getting his face on the news. He seems to think that when he talks he comes accross as intelligent....

It is ironic that Casey is paired up with someone equally self absorbed......ah Karma is a %^$*)*_!!!!!!......:biggrin:

[shellzbi]

Her lies and all of her behavior is EVIDENCE!!

Do not be fooled by the nattering defense attorneys on tv some of whom say that not being able to determine the cause of death means the case is doomed. Piffle!!

You can bet that these investigators are keeping their cards close to the vest and that they have a lot more than we know, including everything found with the body and which linked that bag back to the Ant house.

Caylee's killer is behind bars and will never breathe free air, drink a Cosmo, gyrate on a pole, text her friends or enter a hot body contest ever again.

Amen and good morning!!

Good Morning!

I agree.

Her behavior and the science in this case will do her in. IMO,

[starling]

There's something not right with Baez, imo :blink:


Yes, I agree. I still think something went on in those long sessions at his office.JMO

[HouseOfClark]

Popping back in for a couple minutes cause i wondered something.

Casey is innocent til proven guilty?

That was why I believe she was the first to be notified of the results.

Do the Anthony's have any say about the funeral?

Maybe as a final insult Casey will say no more autopsy , cremate her!

Maybe just cremate her.

Does she have that right?

Yes she does have that right.

As of yet, we haven't heard if she signed over the remains to the family for burial.

But as of now, whatever happens to those remains is her choice.

:sad:

[mojito]

Is there a link that exists that shows all of the 171 photos released from the scene? So far, I've only found a link that shows a few of them...
TIA

[PepperJack]

Please, any news on the grandparents andy news at all?

for Caylee:rose:

[msgatorslayer]

After stepping away from the puter for a moment, I though about a case where the Judge said the defendant didn't have effective legal representation and ordered a new murder trial for him.

The Attorney says, that his client didn't pay enough money for his own time and that there was no money to hire experts, etc. That he did his best with what he had.

So, I may be completely wrong about the State picking up a defense tab. Not enough info in the article but I'd think the attorney would have asked for money on his clients behalf if that was possible.

Here is article, just happened this week.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/article941048.ece

[AMS]

Popping back in for a couple minutes cause i wondered something.

Casey is innocent til proven guilty?

That was why I believe she was the first to be notified of the results.

Do the Anthony's have any say about the funeral?

Maybe as a final insult Casey will say no more autopsy , cremate her!

Maybe just cremate her.

Does she have that right?


IIRC As the next of kin, Casey pretty much gets to make the decisions about second autopsy, funeral home, funeral. Unless, she passes these rights to someone else. I would think most people would let the GPs handle ths. Wonder what Casey will do? I would think Baez would tell her not to do anything stupid regarding these things because the public would cricufy her.

IMO

[KatieKates]

IIRC As the next of kin, Casey pretty much gets to make the decisions about second autopsy, funeral home, funeral. Unless, she passes these rights to someone else. I would think most people would let the GPs handle ths. Wonder what Casey will do? I would think Baez would tell her not to do anything stupid regarding these things because the public would cricufy her.

IMO

Is she going to be allowed to attend any services for Caylee?

[ann10]

Is there a link that exists that shows all of the 171 photos released from the scene? So far, I've only found a link that shows a few of them...
TIA


This is a good one

http://www.rsxtaci.com/Caylee/

[beetlebrow]

Did anyone else see......at the end of Nancy Grace last night....there is going to be a TV special on CNN (HLN :rolleyes:) this Monday where Jessie Grund talks about this case.......?

[summer4meplz]

Ever since the Spector case, Dr. Baden has sounded like an idiot...Don't forget his wife "Linda Baden" is on this dream team and hubby will do what wife wants him to....it's easy to see who wears the pants in that family....


and dr baden is a paid fox consultant....fox loves casey

[shellzbi]

Is she going to be allowed to attend any services for Caylee?


That's a privledge she doesn't deserve. IMO.

[SandyO]

I will give the A's 50/50 on this one. They can go either or
Growing up as kids, my parents always told us Christmas is the time for miracles. Finding Caylee was a miracle now I hope by some miracle the A's and Casey will come clean and tell the truth.

Sorry to be a nay-sayer, but that's going to take more than a Christmas Miracle.

[AMS]

Is she going to be allowed to attend any services for Caylee?

I haven't heard. Most of the TH on the news shows think NO! Many have said they think it would be a security nightmare.

[Katt2]

IIRC As the next of kin, Casey pretty much gets to make the decisions about second autopsy, funeral home, funeral. Unless, she passes these rights to someone else. I would think most people would let the GPs handle ths. Wonder what Casey will do? I would think Baez would tell her not to do anything stupid regarding these things because the public would cricufy her.

IMO

I doubt that Casey can do anything that will make the public think any less of her than they already do.

[msgatorslayer]

Really? So if a prisoner says kill me know, they jump all the other prisoners to put them to death? She appealed but then decided to stop. That shouldn't hold any water on her "place in line," for lack of a better term. That doesn't make sense but I'll take your word for it.

'Wuornos' appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court was denied in 1996. In 2001, she announced that she would not issue any further appeals against her death sentence. She petitioned the Florida Supreme Court for the right to fire her legal counsel and stop all appeals, saying, "I killed those men, robbed them as cold as ice. And I'd do it again, too. There's no chance in keeping me alive or anything, because I'd kill again. I have hate crawling through my system...I am so sick of hearing this 'she's crazy' stuff. I've been evaluated so many times. I'm competent, sane, and I'm trying to tell the truth. I'm one who seriously hates human life and would kill again."[21] Some argued that she was in no state for them to honor such a request.

Florida Governor Jeb Bush instructed three psychiatrists to give Wuornos a 15-minute interview. The test for competency requires the psychiatrist(s) to be convinced that the condemned person understands that they will die and for which crime(s) they are being executed. All three judged her mentally fit to be executed.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aileen_Wuornos

In the past, I've looked at Florida's death row rooster and noticed 1 person who had only been on DR for a few years. Curious as to why, I looked up the newspaper archives for the area of the crime and he too, stopped his appeals and wanted to die.

IIRC, there were a few others who hadn't been on it for very long but I did not research all of them.

It is the appeals system that allows for DR inmates to sit for decades being fed and housed. Without it, people would be put to death pretty fast, IMO.

[summer4meplz]

I had to come out of lurking to ask a question that has been bothering me. The GP's said they were ready to sit down with LE and tell the entire truth without inconsistancies. WHEN are they going to do this? I have heard nothing more about this.....TIA

I was wondering the same thing....could it be the prosecution don't care what they have to say now......they had their chance and they blew it time after time.....

[AMS]

I doubt that Casey can do anything that will make the public think any less of her than they already do.

Ha - that is a very good point :wink:

[beetlebrow]

IIRC As the next of kin, Casey pretty much gets to make the decisions about second autopsy, funeral home, funeral. Unless, she passes these rights to someone else. I would think most people would let the GPs handle ths. Wonder what Casey will do? I would think Baez would tell her not to do anything stupid regarding these things because the public would cricufy her.

IMO

I think Casey could care less what happens to the body unless it benefits Casey. So....yes there will be an autopsy....and after that she will just relay to her family to do "whatever"

[Texas48]

I'm trying to think of other cases where the defendant initially paid for the defense and then had to have the state pay, in Florida. Can't think of any. Maybe someone else can.
Good Morning ALL...I just do not know about the law in Florida but in several other states the State will pay for a defense attorney ( not 2 or 3) if the defendant has NO means of income/money. The state will also pay a LIMITED amount for EXPERTS. It would suprise me if ANY STATE would pay the amount for these attorneys/experts that JB/KC has on this case considering what this team would NORMALLY charge. PS was able to pay what ever his TEAM charged....KC is not. The money is either coming from someone or they are doing it for free. I know for a fact LKB does not need the exposure(publicity) and Henry Lee should have stayed in hiding (jmo) Not sure about the others. IMO...JB just needs the practice in being an attorney.

[summer4meplz]

Got to run!

I am always afraid to come back cause there is ALWAYS a bombshell waiting. Wonder what it will be today?

:seeya:

I might be wrong, but I think this weekend will be pretty quiet.....Monday will be interesting....aren't the anthonys supposed to be deposed by Zenaida's lawyer and there is a question whether they will cooperate ?

[AMS]

I think Casey could care less what happens to the body unless it benefits Casey. So....yes there will be an autopsy....and after that she will just relay to her family to do "whatever"


You are probably right. I was wondering if she would release the body to someone other than the GPs to spite Cindy. She is a spiteful b**ch after all.

[Texas48]

Very true. I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't some huge piece of evidence out there waiting to close this thing up. And a side note, Scott Peterson has the luxury of being in CA which means he'll probably never get to meet his end by lethal injection, but they kill them fast in FLA. They should use the death penalty as a way to get her to confess to what really happened. JMO.ITA Katie..LE has much more than what we are aware of. As for the DP....Florida should put the DP back on the table because KC DESERVES it....She will NEVER confess. jmo

[KatieKates]

'Wuornos' appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court was denied in 1996. In 2001, she announced that she would not issue any further appeals against her death sentence. She petitioned the Florida Supreme Court for the right to fire her legal counsel and stop all appeals, saying, "I killed those men, robbed them as cold as ice. And I'd do it again, too. There's no chance in keeping me alive or anything, because I'd kill again. I have hate crawling through my system...I am so sick of hearing this 'she's crazy' stuff. I've been evaluated so many times. I'm competent, sane, and I'm trying to tell the truth. I'm one who seriously hates human life and would kill again."[21] Some argued that she was in no state for them to honor such a request.

Florida Governor Jeb Bush instructed three psychiatrists to give Wuornos a 15-minute interview. The test for competency requires the psychiatrist(s) to be convinced that the condemned person understands that they will die and for which crime(s) they are being executed. All three judged her mentally fit to be executed.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aileen_Wuornos

In the past, I've looked at Florida's death row rooster and noticed 1 person who had only been on DR for a few years. Curious as to why, I looked up the newspaper archives for the area of the crime and he too, stopped his appeals and wanted to die.

IIRC, there were a few others who hadn't been on it for very long but I did not research all of them.

It is the appeals system that allows for DR inmates to sit for decades being fed and housed. Without it, people would be put to death pretty fast, IMO.

It feels like the system is broken to me. They should be allowed appeals but if they are denied a date should be set. JMO, I'm really not familiar with all the red tape. Doesn't feel like a punishment if they get to call the shots. Choose the method, not the process, IMO. Kind of makes it all a joke, on some level anyway.

[summer4meplz]

I am wondering about funeral arrangements for Caylee. Will George and Cindy be making those arrangements today, or considering that some of Caylee's remains have been sent to Quantico will they wait for all parts to be returned before they have a burial? Will all pieces and parts EVER be returned. God, what an awful subject!

I was encouraged yesterday when one of the reporters asked what the percentage her poor little body had been recovered and the ME said most of them or something like that....it must be like a very sad horrible jigsaw puzzle .....

[PepperJack]

Casey didnot want her parents have Caylee, why then should she release the remains to them. That is just my opinion. Sorry

for Caylee:rose:

[WillowInFlight]

Good morning all, I have a question. When Casey goes to trial for murder, will her stealing and check cashing be off limits because she hasn't been convicted of that yet?

[WillowInFlight]

I was encouraged yesterday when one of the reporters asked what the percentage her poor little body had been recovered and the ME said most of them or something like that....it must be like a very sad horrible jigsaw puzzle .....

Good Morning Summer, I think they said 90 percent of Caylee was recovered.

[court~critic1®]

I don't understand why people are saying the Ants have "lost" 2 people. They have known and do know where Caylee is, so she isn't "lost", They know where Casey is, so she isn't "lost". They can visit her, she is alive. Baby Caylee is dead. Will she have a place where they can pay their respects.


I am sure someone will enlighten me on this.

Have a safe one all!

[Texas48]

They've known all along--- ITA!
They aren't going to help the prosecution-- ITA!
Casey will never confess--- NEVER!
The Ants will continue to drink the KoolAid-- Agreed!
Not cynical. Realistic.
The pros has more than we know and enough to nail her down BEFORE the body was found and they have more, including what linked the bag and body to the house.
Casey will die in prison but
wishing she was never caught. This sums it up. Short and sweet Kella. ITA....ABSOLUTELY correct.

[beetlebrow]

Sorry to be a nay-sayer, but that's going to take more than a Christmas Miracle.


It is going to take Casey getting angry at Cindy IMO. That is what this is all about....always has been. Casey became upset because.....

A. Mom was able to control Casey because of Casey's responsibility to Caylee. IE Casey would never be free to make her own decisions. Plus she always would have to depend on Cindy for financial support which Cindy would give because of Caylee.

B. Casey never wanted Caylee in the first place but Cindy talked her into keeping Caylee.

C. Cindy made Casey look like a bad mother.

D. Caylee considered Cindy her mom and was more affectionate towards Cindy.

E. Caylee took attention away from Casey in public and took away that special "princess" status that Casey had previously held in the Anthony family.


Casey has ALOT of buried resentment toward her mother and I bet she was fuming when she heard that Cindy asked foe immunity.

Casey WILL talk if she feels like Cindy is controlling the story and Cindy is once again going to come out smelling like a rose while Casey once again looks like the bad seed (which of course she is) :wink:

[SandyO]

Good morning all, I have a question. When Casey goes to trial for murder, will her stealing and check cashing be off limits because she hasn't been convicted of that yet?

EXCELLENT QUESTION! But........if Amy is going to testify, well there it is. There are others who could testify to these events as well, although in a different context.

[Texas48]

I had to come out of lurking to ask a question that has been bothering me. The GP's said they were ready to sit down with LE and tell the entire truth without inconsistancies. WHEN are they going to do this? I have heard nothing more about this.....TIA Did anyone notice how quickly Cindy/George came out with this statement? They did not even wait untill all was certain this little body was Caylees. I thought that rather strange. jmo

[beetlebrow]

Is she going to be allowed to attend any services for Caylee?

I would bet money she will decline.......Baez will say that it would be too upseting for Casey :glare:......she is not THAT good of an actress IMO.

[KatieKates]

EXCELLENT QUESTION! But........if Amy is going to testify, well there it is. There are others who could testify to these events as well, although in a different context.

It's a sad state of affairs when not ONE of your friends can testify for your character, IMO. IIRC, no one spoke for Scott Peterson either. Very telling.

[Regina.Lampert]

Is she going to be allowed to attend any services for Caylee?

If the past is any guide, it will go down this way:

1. baez or possibly baden will file a motion with the court, in which they will request that this poor, grieving mother be allowed to attend her daughter's funeral.

2. Motion will be denied, citing security issues.

3. baden/baez will hold another courthouse steps whinefest, citing how the State is being unfair to their client.

then

the odious defendant may put Caylee on ice and say there won't be a funeral until she can attend. Would not put that past her for a second.

[PepperJack]

I would bet money she will decline.......Baez will say that it would be too upseting for Casey :glare:......she is not THAT good of an actress IMO.

I sadly agree Beetlebrow..

for Caylee:rose:

[court~critic1®]

I have another question. In the video of Caylee reading a book at a table. In the background there is a black woman at what looks like a sink or something. I wonder who she is? I wonder if Casy will say that is Zannie. TIA

[KatieKates]

Good morning all, I have a question. When Casey goes to trial for murder, will her stealing and check cashing be off limits because she hasn't been convicted of that yet?

It can be used to show her character, kind of person she is...IMO. If Amy is testifying you can be sure this will come up. MOO

[beetlebrow]

You are probably right. I was wondering if she would release the body to someone other than the GPs to spite Cindy. She is a spiteful b**ch after all.

They BOTH are.....that is where Casey learned it......lock them in a room together with a hidden microphone.....THEN you will hear "the truth" IMO

[WillowInFlight]

If the past is any guide, it will go down this way:

1. baez or possibly baden will file a motion with the court, in which they will request that this poor, grieving mother be allowed to attend her daughter's funeral.

2. Motion will be denied, citing security issues.

3. baden/baez will hold another courthouse steps whinefest, citing how the State is being unfair to their client.

then

the odious defendant may put Caylee on ice and say there won't be a funeral until she can attend. Would not put that past her for a second.

I don't really think she wants to go, but her and her crew will put on a good victims act.

[summer4meplz]

If the past is any guide, it will go down this way:

1. baez or possibly baden will file a motion with the court, in which they will request that this poor, grieving mother be allowed to attend her daughter's funeral.

2. Motion will be denied, citing security issues.

3. baden/baez will hold another courthouse steps whinefest, citing how the State is being unfair to their client.

then

the odious defendant may put Caylee on ice and say there won't be a funeral until she can attend. Would not put that past her for a second.

could they actually do that? and if so....where would Caylee be "stored" (for lack of a better word) I think there would be such a cry of outrage that they'd better think twice......

[KatieKates]

If the past is any guide, it will go down this way:

1. baez or possibly baden will file a motion with the court, in which they will request that this poor, grieving mother be allowed to attend her daughter's funeral.

2. Motion will be denied, citing security issues.

3. baden/baez will hold another courthouse steps whinefest, citing how the State is being unfair to their client.

then

the odious defendant may put Caylee on ice and say there won't be a funeral until she can attend. Would not put that past her for a second.

Yeah, this is going to get ugly.

[WillowInFlight]

I have another question. In the video of Caylee reading a book at a table. In the background there is a black woman at what looks like a sink or something. I wonder who she is? I wonder if Casy will say that is Zannie. TIA

I'm sure that black lady was a care worker.

[summer4meplz]

I have another question. In the video of Caylee reading a book at a table. In the background there is a black woman at what looks like a sink or something. I wonder who she is? I wonder if Casy will say that is Zannie. TIA


I thought it looked like she was at a xerox machine....they are in the assisted living facility I believe.....

[OneUp]

IIRC As the next of kin, Casey pretty much gets to make the decisions about second autopsy, funeral home, funeral. Unless, she passes these rights to someone else. I would think most people would let the GPs handle ths. Wonder what Casey will do? I would think Baez would tell her not to do anything stupid regarding these things because the public would cricufy her.

IMOI agree, the smartest thing she could do at this point is to turn complete care/custody of Caylee's remains over to her parents...isn't it ironic thatshe is now backed into a corner that makes her need to do so for her own best interests, when such a huge part of her anger was the very fact that Cindy WANTED Caylee in her custody. I'm of the belief that one part of the emotional motivation behind killing Caylee was to ensure that there was no way Cindy could ever get custody....IMO, Casey saw that as Cindy "winning".
If she does anything other than turn Caylee over to her parents now, I agree that the public will be appalled, no matter what she does with the remains. I also *think* that her actions now can and will be brought into the courtroom along with the manner in which she "dispposed" of Caylee. These things combined will go to support the fact that she didn't feel upset or unhappy with the loss of her child, that she couldn't even be bothered to take time out from partying and chasing TonE to properly bury her child as would any remorseful and caring parent...we would have seen beloved things at the site, a beautiful and special resting place chosen, and careful wrapping/placement of Caylee's little body were this an act of rage or accident at the hands of a normal and attached parent....sadly, many parents have killed their children in rage or through abuse/neglect, most of them call someone or "care" for the body at least out of some sorrow, even more true in cases of an accidental death.
I don't see anything Casey can do now other than turn the remains over to Cindy and George UNLESS she chooses to name Lee, or another relative as the guardian of the remains or even name the father now ( if she knows)....now THAT would make for a shocking development!

I am not feeling very optimistic this morning about what the future holds for The Anthony's actions in this case...a careful re-reading of their prepared statement gives me pause, though one must rememner ( for better and for worse) that this is a statement prepared by their lawyer and I doubt it holds much of "their" own words. I will still pray that they allow God to bring them into the light and remove the scales from their eyes that they may honor Caylee now with their actions byy seeing justice brought for her...no matter the price to them or Casey. IMO, being a parent ( and grandparent) is about protecting and speaking for the child who cannot protect or speak for themselves...they need to be a voice for Caylee now as much as ever.
As others have said, time will tell...I guarantee that they will have the moral support of thousands even after all they have said and done thus far, if they will just "do the right thing" now. I wish i could speak to them now to say ..." George and Cindy, don't let Caylee down! She is depending on you to look after her now as much as she ever was!"
All, JMO.

[beetlebrow]

could they actually do that? and if so....where would Caylee be "stored" (for lack of a better word) I think there would be such a cry of outrage that they'd better think twice......

Remember Ann Nicole?? Maybe they will freeze her.....ugh :crying:

[Texas48]

I beg to differ. Baden has sounded like an idiot since BEFORE the Spector case!

I am thinking of the Seymour Schuss case which incidentally was litigated by the venerable Jayne Weintraub. Schuss --a retiree in FL-- got into an argument with another retiree, Mr. Rosenberg in an early bird movie line---and enraged, Schuss punched Mr R who fell to the pavement, his head smacking the cement. Taken to the ER, Mr R later fell into a coma from which he never awoke and died some days later, his skull fractured and internal bleeding in the brain. Schuss was charged with a lesser form of homicide, involuntary or something, I don't recall. Obviously not 1st degree.

But Baden actually testified that Schuss just happened to punch Rosenberg at the very moment Mr R was having an aneurysm!! Mr Rosenberg died, not from the striking of his head to the pavement but of natural causes and Mr Schuss was just unlucky. Really. What a great memory..I so remember this case and YES..Dr.B made an azz of himself with his EXPERT testimony and doing the same NOW. Make one wounder WHY they get paid BIG BUCKS just being stupid. jmo

[SandyO]

I have another question. In the video of Caylee reading a book at a table. In the background there is a black woman at what looks like a sink or something. I wonder who she is? I wonder if Casy will say that is Zannie. TIA

I always thought that video was taken at the nursing home and the woman in the background is a clerk, or aide, photocopying something at a copy machine. Am I wrong?

[court~critic1®]

Thank you Willow and Summer. That clears that up for me.

[ann10]

If the past is any guide, it will go down this way:

1. baez or possibly baden will file a motion with the court, in which they will request that this poor, grieving mother be allowed to attend her daughter's funeral.

2. Motion will be denied, citing security issues.

3. baden/baez will hold another courthouse steps whinefest, citing how the State is being unfair to their client.

then

the odious defendant may put Caylee on ice and say there won't be a funeral until she can attend. Would not put that past her for a second.


Hi Regina,

the motion will have to be filed, yes, but it will be granted. She will be allowed to go.

She's innocent until proven guilty.

[Jeepers]

You are probably right. I was wondering if she would release the body to someone other than the GPs to spite Cindy. She is a spiteful b**ch after all.

That would be something Casey would do if she thought about it. Hopefully she has not thought that far in advance yet. That would be the ultimate blow for Cindy. I still cannot get over how she could look at her parents in the eye and see how bad they were hurting and continue with the lies. I followed SP trial from start to end and had the same thoughts about him. How he could be around Sharon and see she was dying inside and he could not feel or even address her pain. I did not think I would ever see another SP. Casey in my opinion is worse. Caylee was her baby. Her blood . I cannot see how she can be detached. I can see her doing the murder but afterward I thought she would show remorse of some kind. It truly shows me she hated anything and everything about Caylee.
I hope they don't let her out for the funeral. She does not belong there, she would just be a distraction from Caylee. It would be all about Casey and the media would be covering her and she would like the attention she would be getting.
Prison is going to do everything to Casey that she accused Caylee of.
She thought her life would be better without Caylee. Prison will take from her everything she thought Caylee was robbing her of
"A Beautiful Life"

[beetlebrow]

I don't understand why people are saying the Ants have "lost" 2 people. They have known and do know where Caylee is, so she isn't "lost", They know where Casey is, so she isn't "lost". They can visit her, she is alive. Baby Caylee is dead. Will she have a place where they can pay their respects.


I am sure someone will enlighten me on this.

Have a safe one all!

One word......CINDYSPIN......everyone feel sorry for me wahhhhh :smile:

[KatieKates]

Let's not forget that Casey has NOTHING to hold over Cindy anymore. Now that Caylee has been found, the gloves are off. Cindy could probably fight for the rights over the body now. Someone who understands the laws in these areas could better explain but if Casey pulls any BS, doesn't Cindy have the right to step in?

[WillowInFlight]

Hi Regina,

the motion will have to be filed, yes, but it will be granted. She will be allowed to go.

She's innocent until proven guilty.

I don't see them allowing her to go, LE will claim it's a security issue.

[court~critic1®]

I always thought that video was taken at the nursing home and the woman in the background is a clerk, or aide, photocopying something at a copy machine. Am I wrong?



I am sure you are right. I was just having a "senior moment" and confused. Am I not always. lol

[Texas48]

I feel the same way. We love our children whether they do wrong or right, that's part of parenting. And the Anthonys can stand alongside her and still have her held accountable for what she's done.

We've made a vow here to no longer watch any of the shows that discuss Caylee. Our reasoning is that the shows were bad before but on the day Caylee's remaoins were officially identified they were all disrespecting her memory. A child is dead, her body identified and we have inane conversations on tv. "choked on gum", "waste of taxpayers money", "dream team", "earrings for birthday" etc...
(not direct quotes) We've decided to spend that time doing something as a family instead of watching tv folk talk about (or skip over) Caylee as if she's an "it" not a "she".

and Fox news is no longer programmed into our remotes. my son did that. He's Casey's age and a new father and he was sickened by Fox's Geraldo a thon.
ITA.....Dr. Lee should take Dr. Baden and go Back in hiding. They need to take Geraldo w/them. Do NOT these people know how they sound w/all the stupid remarks they make? Geraldo needs to retire to parts unknown. jmo

[WillowInFlight]

I think if Casey is going to assign the remains to anyone it will be Lee.

[msgatorslayer]

It feels like the system is broken to me. They should be allowed appeals but if they are denied a date should be set. JMO, I'm really not familiar with all the red tape. Doesn't feel like a punishment if they get to call the shots. Choose the method, not the process, IMO. Kind of makes it all a joke, on some level anyway.

I became a bit familiar with the appeals process through reading Darlie Routier's appeals on-line. No wonder it takes so long. The appeals attorney's put so much of the evidence under the microscope. Post conviction DNA testing, etc.

It is a long, drawn out process, but it serves its purpose and some innocent people have been taken off DR because of it.

[KatieKates]

Ugh, I just keep thinking of Cindy asking if there was any information Casey could give to help, anything at all and Casey said, TO HER MOTHER, something like, not that I can think of, I can't do any more from in here, or something...makes me angry just thinking about her smug attitude regarding all of this.

[trich]

Did anyone notice how quickly Cindy/George came out with this statement? They did not even wait untill all was certain this little body was Caylees. I thought that rather strange. jmo


No!
They knew this was Caylee... at the least they have known she was dead from July15th.
They just knew the whole charade was closing in on them and they had better change their attitudes.
Not that I believe they will say or do anything that will show they have anything to tell the LE that LE did not already know.
I think it is a little too late.
But in saying that they still will never do or say anything to help convict Casey. IMO
Not knowingly or willingly.

[ann10]

I don't see them allowing her to go, LE will claim it's a security issue.


If she wants to go, she will go with enormous security. imo.

[Katt2]

Hi Regina,

the motion will have to be filed, yes, but it will be granted. She will be allowed to go.

She's innocent until proven guilty.

Given the horrendous situation with protesters at the Anthony home when Casey was out on bail, I really have doubts that the motion would be granted. This isn't just a normal case where a next of kin has rights or consideration.

[summer4meplz]

Hi Regina,

the motion will have to be filed, yes, but it will be granted. She will be allowed to go.

She's innocent until proven guilty.

wow...wouldn't that be the last slap in that poor child's face.....that would turn Caylee's funeral into a horrible fiasco......

[beetlebrow]

Let's not forget that Casey has NOTHING to hold over Cindy anymore. Now that Caylee has been found, the gloves are off. Cindy could probably fight for the rights over the body now. Someone who understands the laws in these areas could better explain but if Casey pulls any BS, doesn't Cindy have the right to step in?

I think Casey has plenty to hold over Cindy....the Anthony family was extremely dysfunctional and Cindy carefully manipulated information so that problems remained hidden. Cindy not only does not want family problems exposed IMO.....she also will try to be the one to "tell the story" if it looks like family problems will have to be exposed. She is all about control....

[Texas48]

he was all about Casey and never addressed the short life that was ended.
This is terrible but I will say it anyway.....ALL I could think of when JB made the statement that it should have been him to deliver the news to KC....JMO...JMO....JB wanted to be the person that gave COMFORT to KC. I just continue to shake my head with this case....day in and day out.

[barskin&co.]

Hi Regina,

the motion will have to be filed, yes, but it will be granted. She will be allowed to go.

She's innocent until proven guilty.

I completely disagree. She will not be allowed to go.

[OneUp]

You are probably right. I was wondering if she would release the body to someone other than the GPs to spite Cindy. She is a spiteful b**ch after all.
I can see that happening...I thiink much of what CAsey does with Caylee's remains will hinge on whether or not she is willing to listen to her legal advisors. Baez is a fool (IMO), but even he would probably advise turning Caylee over to her parents for burial after a second autopsy ( unecessary and vile IMO). BUT, Casey seems to only follow his advice even when it suits her....
I can def. see her refusing to allow Cindy access just out of pure spite. As I have mentioned before, in a twisted way, I can see Casey thinking that Cindy is "winning" if she "gives" her Caylee now...this was a source of strife between these two in Caylee's life, and I don't think that struggle necessarily has died with this precious child.
If she CAN I could see this being the moment she chooses to reveal caylee's fathers name...both to spite Cindy and as a way top pull more victims into her tragedy. I think Casey "gets' off" on her power to hurt and control others just like any sociopath...in jail, she now has a limit on her access to others, but that is a way she could pull in and hurt one more person...so I can seee her considering it.
What ever happened to the media rumor that LE knew the identity of Caylee's father? Was that just a "Lennyism"? If they DO have his ID, he will have equal say and IMO, have no trouble getting a court to allow him full control at tthis point IF he wants it....I don't see how LE would know who it is though, unless they "happened" across the rgiht man or Casey told them.
JMO

[WillowInFlight]

wow...wouldn't that be the last slap in that poor child's face.....that would turn Caylee's funeral into a horrible fiasco......

Which is why I don't see it happening. And I really don't believe Casey wants to attend. I think the family may have a small little service with the excuse that when Casey is freed they will do it proper.

[kellabeck]

If the past is any guide, it will go down this way:
1. baez or possibly baden will file a motion with the court, in which they will request that this poor, grieving mother be allowed to attend her daughter's funeral.
2. Motion will be denied, citing security issues.
3. baden/baez will hold another courthouse steps whinefest, citing how the State is being unfair to their client.
then the odious defendant may put Caylee on ice and say there won't be a funeral until she can attend. Would not put that past her for a second.

Scamp, that brought to mind another odious perp and his family who wanted to put Laci on ice until poor grieving Scooter could be freed and able to attend her funeral.

I have to add that sad to say with only bones left of Caylee, ice might not even be necessary, unlike in the case of Laci and Conner where soft tissue did remain.

I think this perp is nasty enough to want to continue to punish her parents, especially if they step out of her line.

[beetlebrow]

Given the horrendous situation with protesters at the Anthony home when Casey was out on bail, I really have doubts that the motion would be granted. This isn't just a normal case where a next of kin has rights or consideration.

IMO...the Anthonys will have a private funeral...we will not know the date, time or place. Casey will decline due to safety reasons or "emotional trauma" :tongue:

[SandyO]

I completely disagree. She will not be allowed to go.

Of course she won't, Bar. She is in jail on Murder One charges and she isn't going anywhere.

[aubrey04]

I still wonder about any DNA on the duct tape.. :glare: I wonder when that information will be released?

[bchand]

I might be wrong, but I think this weekend will be pretty quiet.....Monday will be interesting....aren't the anthonys supposed to be deposed by Zenaida's lawyer and there is a question whether they will cooperate ?


Morning everyone - summer, according to Lenny, who was at Morgan's office, he has cancelled the deposition of the Anthonys.

(I don't know if it's permanently or just for now.)

[summer4meplz]

I think if Casey is going to assign the remains to anyone it will be Lee.

that would certainly add fuel to "that" rumor

[Pruddennce]

The 31 days will convict her. 31 days of not telling anyone that her baby girl was missing. And we all know what she was doing during those 31 days. We have photos, we have witness statements, we have video.....

I believe with all my heart that the jury will see beyond the disgusting smokes and mirrors that will undoubtly be put forth my the defense and convict her.

I agree. I cannot see a jury "attempting' to weigh that information....

it is what it is....she wasnt in fear, she wasnt sad, she wasnt upset.....she simply conducted her life as an enencumbered individual, free from motherhood and free from her own mother.

and the zillion 'fun time' phone msgs, phone time, web postings and outings.

31 days, living her life, carefree.

Hawkins, Im curious about their mutual contact during this period....what was she cooking up with him.....what precise lie did she feed him regarding her life at that moment in time (since Caylee was no longer with her)....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[beetlebrow]

I still wonder about any DNA on the duct tape.. :glare: I wonder when that information will be released?

I just want to know HOW there could be duct tape around her skull without skin or tissue???????????? Dr. G said NO skin or tissue was recovered!!!

Something about this duct tape is not right IMO

[WillowInFlight]

that would certainly add fuel to "that" rumor

Wouldn't it though.

[court~critic1®]

Which is why I don't see it happening. And I really don't believe Casey wants to attend. I think the family may have a small little service with the excuse that when Casey is freed they will do it proper.


Who does that remind you of???? About having a memorial service when their son gets out.


(hint) their son is on death row in Ca.

[aubrey04]

Hi Regina,

the motion will have to be filed, yes, but it will be granted. She will be allowed to go.

She's innocent until proven guilty.

She is innocent until proven guilty- yes, but she's also in jail being held without bail because of the seriousness of the charges: first degree murder. There is no way she will be released to go to the funeral of the person she is accused of murdering- her victim.

no way.

imo

[WillowInFlight]

I just want to know HOW there could be duct tape around her skull without skin or tissue???????????? Dr. G said NO skin or tissue was recovered!!!

Something about this duct tape is not right IMO

And all the TH's the other night was saying it was wound very tight.

[Regina.Lampert]

I don't really think she wants to go, but her and her crew will put on a good victims act.

Heck no, she doesn't really want to go, but they will make the motion anyway knowing it will be denied, imo.

BTW, late last night I heard that when baez left the anthonys, he was walked out by lee and the crowd that had gathered there, shouted out babykiller. Anyone else hear that report?

[Pruddennce]

If she wants to go, she will go with enormous security. imo.

????

she is arrested for the murder of her child. IMO, no way will they allow her out of jail.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[marshmallow]

Morning everyone - summer, according to Lenny, who was at Morgan's office, he has cancelled the deposition of the Anthonys.

(I don't know if it's permanently or just for now.)



perhaps he cancelled them or reschuduled them out of respect for yesterday's announcement.

[summer4meplz]

IMO...the Anthonys will have a private funeral...we will not know the date, time or place. Casey will decline due to safety reasons or "emotional trauma" :tongue:


I wonder how much fox is going to pay them for "exclusive" rights to the service....

[OneUp]

I don't understand why people are saying the Ants have "lost" 2 people. They have known and do know where Caylee is, so she isn't "lost", They know where Casey is, so she isn't "lost". They can visit her, she is alive. Baby Caylee is dead. Will she have a place where they can pay their respects.


I am sure someone will enlighten me on this.

Have a safe one all!
I *thiink* others mean simply that they have lost the comfort and joy of Caylee from their lives forever...I'd guess, in a way that is also what is meant by their loss of Casey.
Never again will Cindy and George enjoy their family as it once was...both of "their girls" will be as lost to them for this lifetiime as if they were truely lostout in the world somewhere.
I know my little one is in heaven where ( God willing) I will join her one day, but she is still lost to me as I cannot put my arms out to lift her, read her a story, hear her little voice call me momma anymore. That part of my life is forever gone....thus, "lost" to me.
I DO feel for this families losses, even if Casey has been "lost" to them for years and they were just too blind or too fearful to see it. I don't think anyone WANTS to raise a monster instead of a normal daughter that you can enjoy even as an adult.....Yesterday, ALL of what they have lost became unavoidable for the Anthony's.
IMO.

[KatieKates]

I think Casey has plenty to hold over Cindy....the Anthony family was extremely dysfunctional and Cindy carefully manipulated information so that problems remained hidden. Cindy not only does not want family problems exposed IMO.....she also will try to be the one to "tell the story" if it looks like family problems will have to be exposed. She is all about control....

Then she now controls Casey. The party's over.

[beetlebrow]

I wonder how much fox is going to pay them for "exclusive" rights to the service....

OMG......you are right!!!!

[summer4meplz]

Morning everyone - summer, according to Lenny, who was at Morgan's office, he has cancelled the deposition of the Anthonys.

(I don't know if it's permanently or just for now.)

thanks B...hadn't heard that.....

[barskin&co.]

Heck no, she doesn't really want to go, but they will make the motion anyway knowing it will be denied, imo.

BTW, late last night I heard that when baez left the anthonys, he was walked out by lee and the crowd that had gathered there, shouted out babykiller. Anyone else hear that report?

You are so right. They will make the motion for the sake of appearenaces.

[ann10]

I completely disagree. She will not be allowed to go.

The reason I believe she will be allowed to go, is because she has not yet ben convicted of anything. Get it?

Does anyone here have even a slight grasp of this concept?

What if you were falsely accused of murdering your own child, and were denied the right to say some sort of goodbye to that child?

I am not saying she is most likely innocent, just that she has not yet been proven guilty.

Maybe she will not be allowed to go, although I doubt it. If she is not allowed to go, it would be wrong.

MY OPINION

[SandyO]

I just want to know HOW there could be duct tape around her skull without skin or tissue???????????? Dr. G said NO skin or tissue was recovered!!!

Something about this duct tape is not right IMO

Do you remember something about a twist tie or rope around Connor's neck in the Laci Peterson case? It was theorized by the defense that he had been born and someone (other than Scott of course!) strangled him. I believe something like that may have happened here with the tape around Caylee's face. With the decomposition and the scattering of her remains, the tape may have slipped from its original positioning.

[Regina.Lampert]

Hi Regina,

the motion will have to be filed, yes, but it will be granted. She will be allowed to go.

She's innocent until proven guilty.

I bet you a cyber beer that motion will be denied! You in Annie my friend? :)

[WillowInFlight]

I wonder how much fox is going to pay them for "exclusive" rights to the service....

How much did TMZ pay for the exclusive rights to ANS's funeral service?

[Breazy]

Please pardon me for butting in but I only have a few minutes . . .I have followed this case from the beginning, both here and everywhere else. I haven't posted here but a few times but have tried to keep up somewhat with all your thoughts and theories.Although I knew in my heart that Caylee was dead, I held that miniscule hope that maybe, just maybe . . .I Thank God that Caylee's remains were found and she can now rest in peace. Prayers for all those, ourselves included, who have invested so much and will continue to invest emotionally to this case.:rose:

[summer4meplz]

Heck no, she doesn't really want to go, but they will make the motion anyway knowing it will be denied, imo.

BTW, late last night I heard that when baez left the anthonys, he was walked out by lee and the crowd that had gathered there, shouted out babykiller. Anyone else hear that report?


I heard that.....I thought it was so tacky of those Jerry Springer ppl to do that.....

[OneUp]

I would bet money she will decline.......Baez will say that it would be too upseting for Casey :glare:......she is not THAT good of an actress IMO.:thumbup:ITA...she isn't NEAR that good an actress.
Imagine what she would act like at a public funeral! She couldn't even pull up convincing tears for HERSELF at Baez's last little PC before she was dragged back to jail ( I'll never foget watching her rub and rub at her eyes trying to cry...I think she had a little glycerine on that finger to help, and not even THAT got any tears flowing! Her eyes barley did more than water!).
I think we will hear that it is a great security risk ( true IMO), and that she is too overcome with grief to attend ( I call BS on THAT before the horse ever leaves the gate!).
JMO

[court~critic1®]

Oh Oh, is his name Scottie by any chance?


BINGO.. You win. There are several on here that remember that little jewel.

[beetlebrow]

Do you remember something about a twist tie or rope around Connor's neck in the Laci Peterson case? It was theorized by the defense that he had been born and someone (other than Scott of course!) strangled him. I believe something like that may have happened here with the tape around Caylee's face. With the decomposition and the scattering of her remains, the tape may have slipped from its original positioning.


ITA....if the skin and tissue decomposed then the tape would be loose....problem is.....where was it originally.....eek!!

[aubrey04]

The reason I believe she will be allowed to go, is because she has not yet ben convicted of anything. Get it?

Does anyone here have even a slight grasp of this concept?

What if you were falsely accused of murdering your own child, and were denied the right to say some sort of goodbye to that child?

I am not saying she is most likely innocent, just that she has not yet been proven guilty.

Maybe she will not be allowed to go, although I doubt it. If she is not allowed to go, it would be wrong.

MY OPINION

How many cases can you name where an accused killer, who is in jail on FIRST DEGREE MURDER charges, gets to go to the funeral of their victim? She's being held without bail. She won't be able to go anywhere, especially to the funeral of her alleged victim.

if she wanted to go to the movies right now, could she? She's innocent until proven guilty... but she's being held without bail due to the seriousness of the charges. She will not be going to the funeral.

jmo

[KKKKKKatie]

The reason I believe she will be allowed to go, is because she has not yet ben convicted of anything. Get it?

Does anyone here have even a slight grasp of this concept?

What if you were falsely accused of murdering your own child, and were denied the right to say some sort of goodbye to that child?

I am not saying she is most likely innocent, just that she has not yet been proven guilty.

Maybe she will not be allowed to go, although I doubt it. If she is not allowed to go, it would be wrong.

MY OPINION

No reason to be snarky....we just don't agree with you and are entitled to that opinion as you are entitled to yours.

I don't believe they will allow her out either...for security reasons. It certainly isn't unprecedented. I could name you several ppl not allowed to attend funerals of the person they were accused of murdering

[barskin&co.]

The reason I believe she will be allowed to go, is because she has not yet ben convicted of anything. Get it?

Does anyone here have even a slight grasp of this concept?

What if you were falsely accused of murdering your own child, and were denied the right to say some sort of goodbye to that child?

I am not saying she is most likely innocent, just that she has not yet been proven guilty.

Maybe she will not be allowed to go, although I doubt it. If she is not allowed to go, it would be wrong.

MY OPINION

Yeah, I think we have the grasp of the concept. We also have the experience of watching other cases like this, where people have not been let out of jail to go to a funeral while they were awaiting trial for murdering that person. She hasn't been convicted, but she is in jail without bail.

[Regina.Lampert]

Scamp, that brought to mind another odious perp and his family who wanted to put Laci on ice until poor grieving Scooter could be freed and able to attend her funeral.

I have to add that sad to say with only bones left of Caylee, ice might not even be necessary, unlike in the case of Laci and Conner where soft tissue did remain.

I think this perp is nasty enough to want to continue to punish her parents, especially if they step out of her line.

Yep, that's just who I had in mind when I posted that. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if this babykiller followed suit, proving that yes she can sink lower then she already has, imo.

[KKKKKKatie]

Please pardon me for butting in but I only have a few minutes . . .I have followed this case from the beginning, both here and everywhere else. I haven't posted here but a few times but have tried to keep up somewhat with all your thoughts and theories.Although I knew in my heart that Caylee was dead, I held that miniscule hope that maybe, just maybe . . .I Thank God that Caylee's remains were found and she can now rest in peace. Prayers for all those, ourselves included, who have invested so much and will continue to invest emotionally to this case.:rose:

thank you Breezy....this has been a hard one for everyone.

Welcome to the boards!

[ann10]

I bet you a cyber beer that motion will be denied! You in Annie my friend? :)

I'm sorry but I strongly disagree with everyone here on this because everyone here would and should be innocent until proven guilty.

[summer4meplz]

Morning everyone - summer, according to Lenny, who was at Morgan's office, he has cancelled the deposition of the Anthonys.

(I don't know if it's permanently or just for now.)


Lenny was everywhere yesterday! I saw him practically pacing in front of the memorial behind the reporter with Larry king....

[beetlebrow]

According to Moore, Casey will not be going to any services.

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=AllanMooreReaction_121920081 030&cat=CAC&title=Corrections%20Dept%20Reacts%20To%20Baez%20Co mments

I'm in shock!!!!.......:tonguewag:

[Pruddennce]

The reason I believe she will be allowed to go, is because she has not yet ben convicted of anything. Get it?

Does anyone here have even a slight grasp of this concept?

What if you were falsely accused of murdering your own child, and were denied the right to say some sort of goodbye to that child?

I am not saying she is most likely innocent, just that she has not yet been proven guilty.

Maybe she will not be allowed to go, although I doubt it. If she is not allowed to go, it would be wrong.

MY OPINION

just because its her daughter, it does not mean one thing...murder is murder. take all of the 'accused murderers' sitting in jail, and let them go to the funeral of the victim they are accused of murdering based on their 'relationship' with the victim?

dont think so.

the concept is: she is being held without bail for a reason.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[court~critic1®]

ONEUP........thank you for your explanation in the "lost" thought.


I read your post on what happened to your daughter. My heart went out to you then, and still does.

:rose::rose: for all our little "lost" ones that have gone on before us.

[summer4meplz]

I'm sorry but I strongly disagree with everyone here on this because everyone here would and should be innocent until proven guilty.

I think everyone certainly agrees with that concept....but a murdered baby's funeral shouldn't be turned into an occasion for protestors and shackled mother, sheriff's deputies.....media everywhere.....lookylou's ....it would be a nightmare IMO

[kellabeck]

Who does that remind you of???? About having a memorial service when their son gets out.
(hint) their son is on death row in Ca.

While you were writing that, cc1, I was writing #184 above. Great minds thinking alike?

[WillowInFlight]

I'm sorry but I strongly disagree with everyone here on this because everyone here would and should be innocent until proven guilty.

Innocent until proven guilty won't even play a part in deciding whether she will be going or not. She's not going anywhere.

[anyonesguess]

I'm sorry but I strongly disagree with everyone here on this because everyone here would and should be innocent until proven guilty.

This is NOT a court of law Ann. It is a MESSAGE board, and whether you like to believe it or not, people have opinions here whether you agree with them or not. We are not Casey's jury. BTW, Casey IS guilty IMO

[marshmallow]

I heard that.....I thought it was so tacky of those Jerry Springer ppl to do that.....

Jerry Springer was there?

[WillowInFlight]

Lenny was everywhere yesterday! I saw him practically pacing in front of the memorial behind the reporter with Larry king....

For the life of me I can't figure out why he is still in Florida.

[beetlebrow]

Lenny was everywhere yesterday! I saw him practically pacing in front of the memorial behind the reporter with Larry king....

I saw that too.....with Rob walking behind him a few paces.....I just had to laugh....he knows the cameras are there at the memorial and is waiting for any chance be in front of them.....he is such a piece of work!!!!

[AMS]

Heck no, she doesn't really want to go, but they will make the motion anyway knowing it will be denied, imo.

BTW, late last night I heard that when baez left the anthonys, he was walked out by lee and the crowd that had gathered there, shouted out babykiller. Anyone else hear that report?


Noooo, I missed that. Does anyone know anything about Lee's attorney? Cn't think of his name right now.

[Texas48]

Yes she does have that right.

As of yet, we haven't heard if she signed over the remains to the family for burial.

But as of now, whatever happens to those remains is her choice.

:sad: I really have to wounder if KC will RUN the funeral arrangements for Caylee or will KC give authority over to Cindy/George to make all the arrangements. If KC will NOT allow Cindy to have anything to do with the funeral. How far will JELOUSLY go? Cindy and KC......like 2 bulls butting heads. jmo

[ann10]

I think everyone certainly agrees with that concept....but a murdered baby's funeral shouldn't be turned into an occasion for protestors and shackled mother, sheriff's deputies.....media everywhere.....lookylou's ....it would be a nightmare IMO


How do any of us know anyway? Maybe the family will choose to have a small private service somewhere.

[anyonesguess]

Hi Regina,

the motion will have to be filed, yes, but it will be granted. She will be allowed to go.

She's innocent until proven guilty.

Where is your proof that she will be able to attend, or is this your OPINON that she will be allowed to go?

[KKKKKKatie]

Noooo, I missed that. Does anyone know anything about Lee's attorney? Cn't think of his name right now.


I missed this....Lee got an attorney??? Just recently?

[breezie]

I'm still waiting to see where the Anthony's go from here. The statement their lawyer gave yesterday was very touching to me and the fact that Casey wasn't mentioned and the comment that they want to see this prosecuted says a lot to me. We'll see I guess. I'm thinking they may be not be standing behind their daughter so much now. While there was still a chance Caylee was alive, even if we knew she wasn't, if that chance is what was keeping them going in their defense of Casey it should end now. Then again, she is still their daughter, but no prayers were asked for her. Any word on when they would release her body for burial?

Did they mention Caylee, other than their loss? Seems it was still all about them. And I take the want to see this prosecuted, as in...prosecute anyone but Casey.

They've given me reason to doubt their words in the past. I know they are in pain over this loss, but I doubt they truly want to see her killer punished.

The Grund family statement and the pic of Caylee on Jesus' knee hit me much harder. They, once again, described Caylee as a person. Not just as a child THEY knew.

[court~critic1®]

While you were writing that, cc1, I was writing #184 above. Great minds thinking alike?


I saw that kella..... I always go back and read post from where I posted from. I went back to delete mine but the time had run out.

You betcha.... great minds also remember a lot of things. lol

[beetlebrow]

I missed this....Lee got an attorney??? Just recently?

Yup!!.....are ya surprised? :lol:

[WillowInFlight]

How do any of us know anyway? Maybe the family will choose to have a small private service somewhere.

I think after learning all that we have over the years, it's a given she WON'T be allowed to attend. Even all the lawyers on NG have said the same thing.

[Regina.Lampert]

I'm sorry but I strongly disagree with everyone here on this because everyone here would and should be innocent until proven guilty.

I believe that concept applies in the courtroom for this defendant and she is amply represented. Attending the funeral for the person she is accused of murdering is a security and logistic nightmare that IUPG has no bearing upon, imo.

[summer4meplz]

Please pardon me for butting in but I only have a few minutes . . .I have followed this case from the beginning, both here and everywhere else. I haven't posted here but a few times but have tried to keep up somewhat with all your thoughts and theories.Although I knew in my heart that Caylee was dead, I held that miniscule hope that maybe, just maybe . . .I Thank God that Caylee's remains were found and she can now rest in peace. Prayers for all those, ourselves included, who have invested so much and will continue to invest emotionally to this case.:rose:


lol @ butting in.....no such thing....and I'll join you in your prayer of healing ....even for us posters that never really knew her but have spent countless hours discussing this case, praying for her, crying for her.....sending money to TES to help find her......it's been a very emotional 6 months....

[WillowInFlight]

I missed this....Lee got an attorney??? Just recently?

Right after the ID of the remains were made public.

[anyonesguess]

I really have to wounder if KC will RUN the funeral arrangements for Caylee or will KC give authority over to Cindy/George to make all the arrangements. If KC will NOT allow Cindy to have anything to do with the funeral. How far will JELOUSLY go? Cindy and KC......like 2 bulls butting heads. jmo

IMO, I do not think Casey will choose to go even if she is allowed by the courts. I don't think she will be able to look at her parents in the face. She really is a coward.

She was the last person to see Caylee alive. She was the last person to place duct tape around that little face in a garbage bad. She had the nerve to place her in a woods to rot like garbage.

I guess if she does attend, she can always just say this. "But Mom, I told you she was close to home" Why didn't you get off your azzes and look"

[KKKKKKatie]

Yup!!.....are ya surprised? :lol:


I'm shocked....just shocked :lol:

[Lilly12]

we all know that killers walk all the time and look at the case of Spector getting a hung jury; i mean who in their right mind would believe Lana Clarkson killed herself in his home; it is almost a laughable theory if it weren't so deadly serious; and the jury couldn't convict him; that one still stuns me and reminds me that if you through enough crap before a jury, something might stick and the perp can go free. very very sad.


I think sometimes a not guilty juror, knows the person is guilty, but for whatever reason, votes not guilty. And the denfense with some of their....thru it against the wall, and see what sticks nonsense....... is just the out for this juror to defend his verdict. moo

[kellabeck]

I'm sorry but I strongly disagree with everyone here on this because everyone here would and should be innocent until proven guilty.

Then why is she even in jail?? How can any defendant be kept behind bars while awaiting trial??

I will bet she doesn't go, doesn't really want to go, may make a show of wanting to go, won't be allowed to go.

[beetlebrow]

Ok you guys.....lets just agree to disagree about Casey/funeral and see what happens....knowing this case it will probably be something more BIZARRE than any of us could possibly dream up!!!! :biggrin:

[KKKKKKatie]

Right after the ID of the remains were made public.

wonder why the Ant's attorney isn't his rep also?

Any talk of asking for immunity for him also? :rolleyes:

[summer4meplz]

No reason to be snarky....we just don't agree with you and are entitled to that opinion as you are entitled to yours.

I don't believe they will allow her out either...for security reasons. It certainly isn't unprecedented. I could name you several ppl not allowed to attend funerals of the person they were accused of murdering


I think of OJ attending the funeral of the wife he murdered...holding the hands of his children he left motherless.....

[SandyO]

Yup!!.....are ya surprised? :lol:

I'm not surprised. I'm just about to 'lawyer-up' myself, considering all the statements I've made here.

[Texas48]

If the past is any guide, it will go down this way:

1. baez or possibly baden will file a motion with the court, in which they will request that this poor, grieving mother be allowed to attend her daughter's funeral.

2. Motion will be denied, citing security issues.

3. baden/baez will hold another courthouse steps whinefest, citing how the State is being unfair to their client.

then

the odious defendant may put Caylee on ice and say there won't be a funeral until she can attend. Would not put that past her for a second. You are correct Regina...as always. Actually...is there enough Security In Florida to keep control of Cindy and KC being in the same area without a glass between them? If KC was smart she would elect to stay in jail. jmo

[marshmallow]

I'm sorry but I strongly disagree with everyone here on this because everyone here would and should be innocent until proven guilty.

but to blindly assume innocence is naive, in my opinion. It's difficult to assume innocence for someone who was partying while her child was missing, told lies about said child's whereabouts during the time period, and drove around with the stench of death in her car. Our legal system doesn't expect us to play stupid in cases like this. The fact that she gets a trial, which will be fair ...with no help from her media hungry defense team, shows that our system is fair and just and that's how it should be but if we were to go with the blanket statement of innocent until proven guilty...no one would be in jail awaiting trial.

[summer4meplz]

I doubt they will let her go. Of course you are innocent till proven guilty but that doesn't mean you get to go to the funeral. look at Scott Peterson.


sharon wouldn't even allow the parents of the murderer to attend.....to her credit...I wouldn't have allowed them there either.

[KKKKKKatie]

I think of OJ attending the funeral of the wife he murdered...holding the hands of his children he left motherless.....

thank goodness we in Calif finally got it right in the Peterson case!

[aubrey04]

just because its her daughter, it does not mean one thing...murder is murder. take all of the 'accused murderers' sitting in jail, and let them go to the funeral of the victim they are accused of murdering based on their 'relationship' with the victim?

dont think so.

the concept is: she is being held without bail for a reason.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Exactly, Pru. What if that pervert Marcus Wesson wanted to go the funerals of the nine children he murdered? He was their father and when they were buried he was still "innocent until proven guilty"...

I wonder if anyone would be arguing that this guy should have gotten to go to his victims funerals --

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Wesson

I doubt it. Casey is no different than any other person accused of such a heinous, serious crime that it warrants a no bail status.

[cajunmoon]

Yup!!.....are ya surprised? :lol:
No.

I am surprised that Lee didn't have an attorney earlier considering all of the rumors regarding him and regarding the "like before" utterance which IMO suggests he has knowledge of a possible prior bad act or acts (very close to murder possibly).

I think that he was wise to get one even if he hasn't been a part of this charade.

[beetlebrow]

I'm shocked....just shocked :lol:

That was cool...our heads were twirling in unison!!....oh god, I think this case is making me loony!!:tongue:

[AMS]

I'm shocked....just shocked :lol:

Here you go. Scroll down in the article. It is in the section called Family Notified.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18318370/detail.html

George and Cindy Anthony were told the remains where their granddaughter's Friday afternoon. The Anthonys were secluded in their home with their son, Lee. Lee's lawyer, Thomas Luka, said the Anthonys were devastated by the news. They had long held out hope their granddaughter would be found alive.

"As you would expect, the Anthonys are extremely on edge and upset," Luka said.

[KKKKKKatie]

I'm not surprised. I'm just about to 'lawyer-up' myself, considering all the statements I've made here.


You best be careful if anyone sees what you have looked up on your computer LOL

[bchand]

According to Moore, Casey will not be going to any services.

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=AllanMooreReaction_121920081 030&cat=CAC&title=Corrections%20Dept%20Reacts%20To%20Baez%20Co mments



Thanks Swarvy! That settles that issue.

(I love the part where Moore says Baez hasn't earned any favors with the corrections dept.)

[summer4meplz]

Jerry Springer was there?

lol....maybe...his followers sure were....imo