Saturday - Dec 20/08 Morning Part 1

[summer4meplz]

How do any of us know anyway? Maybe the family will choose to have a small private service somewhere.

no doubt.....

[barskin&co.]

Here you go. Scroll down in the article. It is in the section called Family Notified.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18318370/detail.html

George and Cindy Anthony were told the remains where their granddaughter's Friday afternoon. The Anthonys were secluded in their home with their son, Lee. Lee's lawyer, Thomas Luka, said the Anthonys were devastated by the news. They had long held out hope their granddaughter would be found alive.

"As you would expect, the Anthonys are extremely on edge and upset," Luka said.

Okey doke then:

Let's take a looka (http://www.lukalaw.com/)

[beetlebrow]

I'm not surprised. I'm just about to 'lawyer-up' myself, considering all the statements I've made here.

Maybe we can get a group discount....

All Casey's friends had better lawyer up too.....IMO we have just begun to see who will be thrown to the wolves....

[KKKKKKatie]

Here you go. Scroll down in the article. It is in the section called Family Notified.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18318370/detail.html

George and Cindy Anthony were told the remains where their granddaughter's Friday afternoon. The Anthonys were secluded in their home with their son, Lee. Lee's lawyer, Thomas Luka, said the Anthonys were devastated by the news. They had long held out hope their granddaughter would be found alive.

"As you would expect, the Anthonys are extremely on edge and upset," Luka said.


Thank you! Just when I think I finally have all the players figured out they throw in another one lol

[cajunmoon]

I think of OJ attending the funeral of the wife he murdered...holding the hands of his children he left motherless.....

I don't understand how he was able to attend.

Isn't a person under indictment for the murder of a person excluded from attending the funeral of his alleged victim? I am missing something.

In caseys case, security would have to be possibly doubled. It would be cost prohibitive and a circus to boot. In my opinion.

[OneUp]

The reason I believe she will be allowed to go, is because she has not yet ben convicted of anything. Get it?

Does anyone here have even a slight grasp of this concept?

What if you were falsely accused of murdering your own child, and were denied the right to say some sort of goodbye to that child?

I am not saying she is most likely innocent, just that she has not yet been proven guilty.

Maybe she will not be allowed to go, although I doubt it. If she is not allowed to go, it would be wrong.

MY OPINIONI don't think she will be deined based on the fact of WHOM she is accused of perpatrating a crime against...it is my understanding that in Florida, there is NO BAIL for capital murder. Therefore, no matter who the victim is, Casey wouldn't be "let out" for any reason to any happening. I'm sure there have been people jailed awaiting trial before who have missed funerals of their children and parents, even when they had nothing to do with the deaths.
I also think, even if it were possible, that the judge would cite security risks...this has been brought up in court berfore when she was being released...we have seen how some people acted outside the Anthiny home when there was still a shred of hope caylee was alive, can you imagine the public response by some now?
I really do think there is a real risk of a vigilante showing up if she attends.
JMO...I know so little about Law that it could fit on the head of a pin, so I can't be certain about the legal constrants!

[JD1974]

The nanny store isn't going to work. The jury will not trust anything the defense says if they try to parade that nonsense in front of them. So someone is going to have to take the fall.. and since George hasn't been ruled out as making those disturbing computer searches (at least not that I know of).. he would be a great fall guy. Especially if the defense claimed abuse went on in the home.

I think Lee lawyered up for the same reason. JMO, but the Anthony's should be scared of Casey.. She is a hurricane and destroys everything in her path and she's not done destroying.. imo.



Snipped...

I have said over and over that anyone who has ever said hello to Casey needs to retain a lawyer, considering all the people she knows at least we know one profession in FL that won't take a hit during this recession. The trash guy needs to get a lawyer even if he never talked to her, because well she was found in a trash bag, that may link him to the crime...:scared:

[Regina.Lampert]

Thanks for that link Swarvie. Allan Moore the spokesman for the jail is citing safety concerns for their IUPG inmate casey anthony as the reason they will object to her being allowed to attend Caylee's funeral.

One must really applaud and admire the Jails over riding concern for this IUPG inmate, imo.



evil little grin-------------> :sneaky:

[KKKKKKatie]

Okey doke then:

Let's take a looka (http://www.lukalaw.com/)


Another Criminal Attorney in the mix :rolleyes:

I'm not sure the Fla courtroom is big enough for all of these egos in the room!

[SandyO]

You best be careful if anyone sees what you have looked up on your computer LOL

THAT'S THE TRUTH! Just yesterday I was researching Filicide.

[breezie]

Here you go. Scroll down in the article. It is in the section called Family Notified.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18318370/detail.html

George and Cindy Anthony were told the remains where their granddaughter's Friday afternoon. The Anthonys were secluded in their home with their son, Lee. Lee's lawyer, Thomas Luka, said the Anthonys were devastated by the news. They had long held out hope their granddaughter would be found alive.

"As you would expect, the Anthonys are extremely on edge and upset," Luka said.

on edge and upset? Sounds like their dog is missing. How about devestated, destroyed, unable to talk, eat, stand....

None of these lawyers are helping the Anthony image AT ALL. All the talk of the Anthonys new profession of helping missing children's families in their message yesterday? HELLO. Caylee was murdered and hidden. She was never missing.

[KKKKKKatie]

katie can you do me a favor?



can yall plz get it right with phil spector this time?



Thank you



.............

Now about Casey going to the funeral. I honestly feel this funeral should be to let Cindy and George start the grieving process. They have a long road they are about to have to travel and they need this time away from Casey.........MOO

don't even get me started on that one :rolleyes:

I agree about time away from Casey.....IMO it will give them a much better perspective on what happened not having to cling to every word (lie) she says!

[WillowInFlight]

Mickey Sherman was just on The early show, he doubts that the state will put the DP back on the table.

[barskin&co.]

Mickey Sherman was just on The early show, he doubts that the state will put the DP back on the table.

And he doubted that Michael Skakel would be convicted, so there you go.

[Regina.Lampert]

You are correct Regina...as always. Actually...is there enough Security In Florida to keep control of Cindy and KC being in the same area without a glass between them? If KC was smart she would elect to stay in jail. jmo

LOL, this may have been who Allan Moore had in mind when he cited "safety concerns" for casey anthony.

[KKKKKKatie]

Mickey Sherman was just on The early show, he doubts that the state will put the DP back on the table.

Sadly I agree....not with out a MOD. I can live with LWOP tho :biggrin:

[cajunmoon]

Thanks for that link Swarvie. Allan Moore the spokesman for the jail is citing safety concerns for their IUPG inmate casey anthony as the reason they will object to her being allowed to attend Caylee's funeral.

One must really applaud and admire the Jails over riding concern for this IUPG inmate, imo.



evil little grin-------------> :sneaky:
To set up security for a less loathsome inmate would be cost prohibitive. In the case of Casey, to avoid a big lawsuit if she were to meet with an unfortunate accident, it is more than a passing concern for the state. IMO of course.

[AMS]

Okey doke then:

Let's take a looka (http://www.lukalaw.com/)

From the link: He's a criminal attorney.

Tom Luka has handled murder and attempted murder trials, DUI offenses, drug charges, burglary, armed robbery, domestic violence charges, and assault and battery cases.

[cajunmoon]

Sadly I agree....not with out a MOD. I can live with LWOP tho :biggrin:

IMO Considering the way FLs prisons run, I am sure she will wish she had the DP. DP inmates are at least somewhat protected from the daily violence. IMO

[WillowInFlight]

Sadly I agree....not with out a MOD. I can live with LWOP tho :biggrin:

Me too Katie, and I have already sent my prayers up that she lives to be 100.

[beetlebrow]

Sadly I agree....not with out a MOD. I can live with LWOP tho :biggrin:

IMO....life w/out parole in a women's prison is worse than death to our little Miss Flirty....

[KKKKKKatie]

IMO Considering the way FLs prisons run, I am sure she will wish she had the DP. DP inmates are at least somewhat protected from the daily violence. IMO

I know I would. Can't imagine spending 60+ years behind bars
{{{shiver}}}

[cajunmoon]

ohhhhhhhh no doubt it's a risk. You know some of those people down there are HOT and MAD and want to see her head on the platter. I don't that kind of Justice. I want her to go through the legal process of a fair trail, found guilty by her peers and hmmm then i'm ok when they sticking a needle in her arm and letting her fall asleep.

Sadly, IMO, Caylee didn't have the luxury of a death with dignity like a needle and peacefully falling asleep. as wrong as it is, it makes me at the very least on some level understand the hotheads. They have to be kept in check, and the easiest way to do that is to keep Casey out of their paths.

[breezie]

imo KC(spiteful BLEEP!!!) Has already had Caylee's Funeral back in June & her little pontiac with Caylee in the trunk was the hurst!:flamemad:
why would she want to go to this one-not going to happen.


Rest In Peace Caylee Marie Anthony Justice will Prevail..:rose:


imho, it will go down 1 of 2 ways:

she'll make sure there's no way she'd be allowed to go, then she'll make a show of wanting to go.

she'll *sacrifice* her desire to go so that the *focus* will be Caylee. barf.

[KKKKKKatie]

In Lenny's mind he IS an attorney!!!....and an ME.....and a detective....ecetera ecetera.....:rolleyes:


:lol:

Oh boy...isn't THAT the truth!!!!

[KKKKKKatie]

imho, it will go down 1 of 2 ways:

she'll make sure there's no way she'd be allowed to go, then she'll make a show of wanting to go.

she'll *sacrifice* her desire to go so that the *focus* will be Caylee. barf.

I agree breezie. Just sickening!

[summer4meplz]

Here you go. Scroll down in the article. It is in the section called Family Notified.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18318370/detail.html

George and Cindy Anthony were told the remains where their granddaughter's Friday afternoon. The Anthonys were secluded in their home with their son, Lee. Lee's lawyer, Thomas Luka, said the Anthonys were devastated by the news. They had long held out hope their granddaughter would be found alive.

"As you would expect, the Anthonys are extremely on edge and upset," Luka said.


according to the jail spokesman, baez's request to be the one to notify casey was denied......I'm sure he knew that, yet he had the nerve to say, the jail chaplain sneaked in during the few minutes he and/or his associate stepped away....and then IIRC the only person signed in to meet with her yesterday was the chaplain......baez should know by now everything he says is scrutinized and checked out......maybe he is a lot like casey....I truly believe casey thought she would just be able to go about her business while LE looked for a kidnapper....

[jakee]

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I have said over and over that anyone who has ever said hello to Casey needs to retain a lawyer, considering all the people she knows at least we know one profession in FL that won't take a hit during this recession. The trash guy needs to get a lawyer even if he never talked to her, because well she was found in a trash bag, that may link him to the crime...:scared:

I agree, and you really never know about the trash guy...Jayne W. will throw that out there next. :rolleyes: Look what she is saying about the Meter Reader! He did it and kept going back to the scene of the crime.

Last night one expert was saying they would not be able to tell if Caylee was chloroformed from her hair because the elements would have caused the chemicals to dissipate...something like that, Then another expert on a different show said they would be able to. I am confused.

[AJandTam]

Okey doke then:

Let's take a looka (http://www.lukalaw.com/)

Looks like he is a criminal defense lawyer too.

[KKKKKKatie]

When it gets to trial I wonder if LKB will let bumbling Baez even say a word? :smile:

[WillowInFlight]

I agree, and you really never know about the trash guy...Jayne W. will throw that out there next. :rolleyes: Look what she is saying about the Meter Reader! He did it and kept going back to the scene of the crime.

Last night one expert was saying they would not be able to tell if Caylee was chloroformed from her hair because the elements would have caused the chemicals to dissipate...something like that, Then another expert on a different show said they would be able to. I am confused.
I'm confused too, there was just too much contradiction going on.

[cajunmoon]

imho, it will go down 1 of 2 ways:

she'll make sure there's no way she'd be allowed to go, then she'll make a show of wanting to go.

she'll *sacrifice* her desire to go so that the *focus* will be Caylee. barf.
Oh make me cry (not) she is such an egomaniac!

Have caylees remains been released yet?

I am expecting a big statement when that happens. Baez will bumble through it um-ah and make a feeble attempt at a display of her "humanity". IMO.

[kelleyb227]

imho, it will go down 1 of 2 ways:

she'll make sure there's no way she'd be allowed to go, then she'll make a show of wanting to go.

she'll *sacrifice* her desire to go so that the *focus* will be Caylee. barf.

I completely agree as well.

[barskin&co.]

ITA...........we have no way of really knowing how she died:(

It doesn't matter; it still can be a death penalty case: felony murder of someone under 12 years of age.

[JD1974]

The reason I believe she will be allowed to go, is because she has not yet ben convicted of anything. Get it?

Does anyone here have even a slight grasp of this concept?

What if you were falsely accused of murdering your own child, and were denied the right to say some sort of goodbye to that child?

I am not saying she is most likely innocent, just that she has not yet been proven guilty.

Maybe she will not be allowed to go, although I doubt it. If she is not allowed to go, it would be wrong.

MY OPINION


It happens all the time. If the person is innocent why can't they have another funeral after they get out of jail?

[cajunmoon]

I'm confused too, there was just too much contradiction going on.



Just remember this: If you have an opinion or an agenda to be filled, there is an expert that will fulfill it for you. experts are a dime a dozen.

[beetlebrow]

according to the jail spokesman, baez's request to be the one to notify casey was denied......I'm sure he knew that, yet he had the nerve to say, the jail chaplain sneaked in during the few minutes he and/or his associate stepped away....and then IIRC the only person signed in to meet with her yesterday was the chaplain......baez should know by now everything he says is scrutinized and checked out......maybe he is a lot like casey....I truly believe casey thought she would just be able to go about her business while LE looked for a kidnapper....

Well......you know how sneaky those chaplains are!!! :lol:

Baez needs to get over his need for self publicity and think things thru before he pontificates to the press....IMO

[WillowInFlight]

In my opinion, Casey doesn't want to go to Caylee's funeral. She'll permit the "security" scare to be her excuse to keep her from looking like the cold-hearted babykiller she is. I don't think she would want Caylee to take all the attention off of her.

Like others have said she's just not that good of an actress, you can only poke at your eyes for so long.

[taylor63]

Her lies and all of her behavior is EVIDENCE!!

Do not be fooled by the nattering defense attorneys on tv some of whom say that not being able to determine the cause of death means the case is doomed. Piffle!!

You can bet that these investigators are keeping their cards close to the vest and that they have a lot more than we know, including everything found with the body and which linked that bag back to the Ant house.

Caylee's killer is behind bars and will never breathe free air, drink a Cosmo, gyrate on a pole, text her friends or enter a hot body contest ever again.

Amen and good morning!!

Also,it has been reported stuff from the crime scene links directly back to the Anthony home that in itself is damning evidence against Casey.

[kitty1182]

Good Morning..
Does anyone know if Casey has said that G and C can get the remains?

[beetlebrow]

In my opinion, Casey doesn't want to go to Caylee's funeral. She'll permit the "security" scare to be her excuse to keep her from looking like the cold-hearted babykiller she is. I don't think she would want Caylee to take all the attention off of her.

Exactly!!!!!:biggrin:

[ellegna]

Mickey Sherman was just on The early show, he doubts that the state will put the DP back on the table.

I would like to see the DP put back on the table as a bargaining chip but I will be just as satisfied to see Casey get LWOP.

[WillowInFlight]

Good Morning..
Does anyone know if Casey has said that G and C can get the remains?

Haven't heard anything yet.

[KKKKKKatie]

Good Morning..
Does anyone know if Casey has said that G and C can get the remains?


Haven't heard yet kitty

[barskin&co.]

When it gets to trial I wonder if LKB will let bumbling Baez even say a word? :smile:

That wouldn't be creckt.

[beetlebrow]

It doesn't matter; it still can be a death penalty case: felony murder of someone under 12 years of age.

Yes that is considered an "aggravating circumstance" so they could go for the DP. But I don't think they will w/out a cause of death..IMO

[openminded]

I beg to differ. Baden has sounded like an idiot since BEFORE the Spector case!

I am thinking of the Seymour Schuss case which incidentally was litigated by the venerable Jayne Weintraub. Schuss --a retiree in FL-- got into an argument with another retiree, Mr. Rosenberg in an early bird movie line---and enraged, Schuss punched Mr R who fell to the pavement, his head smacking the cement. Taken to the ER, Mr R later fell into a coma from which he never awoke and died some days later, his skull fractured and internal bleeding in the brain. Schuss was charged with a lesser form of homicide, involuntary or something, I don't recall. Obviously not 1st degree.

But Baden actually testified that Schuss just happened to punch Rosenberg at the very moment Mr R was having an aneurysm!! Mr Rosenberg died, not from the striking of his head to the pavement but of natural causes and Mr Schuss was just unlucky. Really.

And yet the experts just love to say that "science is science and doesn't lie" and they don't have a side -- just reporting the truth. Uh-huh.

[kitty1182]

Thanks..I'm getting a late start this morning..I hope she does so C and G can give her a proper burial...:sad:

[bchand]

Yup.....she will uh, "have to readjust her tactics" towards women if ya know what I mean.....:biggrin:

My husband doesn't think she'll have a problem doing that at all.


IIRC she was cleared to attend church while she was out on bond and yet she never took advantage of that privilege.
She won't want to attend the funeral, Jose will just act as if she wanted to.

[barskin&co.]

I would like to see the DP put back on the table as a bargaining chip but I will be just as satisfied to see Casey get LWOP.

That's just how I feel. I would love to see her bargain down the DP by confessing.

[kitty1182]

That's just how I feel. I would love to see her bargain down the DP by confessing.

I would too!!!!

[KKKKKKatie]

Thanks..I'm getting a late start this morning..I hope she does so C and G can give her a proper burial...:sad:

It is going to be fascinating to see how it plays out IMO

[KKKKKKatie]

I was thinking about Dakota this morning...I hope she is ok :sad:

[WillowInFlight]

:ohmy:JeezOPete! I hadn't heard about that. Sounds to me like somebody has too much cash and not enough sense!Sheeesh!

I read this morning that the defense could argue, that since the body doesn't show any blunt force, or trauma they might argue it could have been someone else who killed her, which would make it harder for the Prosecution to prove Casey killed Caylee. This case is already making me sick and the trial hasn't even started, and it probably won't until after every continuance the defense asks for either. :angry:

Then I would like to hear the defense argue the stench in the car, all the internet searches, the not reporting the kidnapping for 31 days, the constant lies.

[WillowInFlight]

I was thinking about Dakota this morning...I hope she is ok :sad:

Hopefully Lois has kept her a bit more sheltered lately.

[JD1974]

I agree, and you really never know about the trash guy...Jayne W. will throw that out there next. :rolleyes: Look what she is saying about the Meter Reader! He did it and kept going back to the scene of the crime.

Last night one expert was saying they would not be able to tell if Caylee was chloroformed from her hair because the elements would have caused the chemicals to dissipate...something like that, Then another expert on a different show said they would be able to. I am confused.




Honestly if I had found Caylee and I hate to say this but if I couldn't account for my time during the supposed kidnapping..I would of called in anon to the tip line. You KNEW if it was just a regular person who found the body they were going to get some kind of accusation against them from Casey and Jose...pretty sad someone would be afraid to turn in finding her because they are afraid they will be the next bump under the Casey is innocent bus.

[KKKKKKatie]

Hopefully Lois has kept her a bit more sheltered lately.


Hopefully...but she will have to tell her of Caylee's death. :sad:

None of that stuff should ever have happened! :cursing:

[WillowInFlight]

Honestly if I had found Caylee and I hate to say this but if I couldn't account for my time during the supposed kidnapping..I would of called in anon to the tip line. You KNEW if it was just a regular person who found the body they were going to get some kind of accusation against them from Casey and Jose...pretty sad someone would be afraid to turn in finding her because they are afraid they will be the next bump under the Casey is innocent bus.

Unless Baez wants to face another law suit he had better watch what he says about this guy.

[WillowInFlight]

Hopefully...but she will have to tell her of Caylee's death. :sad:

None of that stuff should ever have happened! :cursing:

ITA, The death never should have happened.

[openminded]

Popping back in for a couple minutes cause i wondered something.

Casey is innocent til proven guilty?

That was why I believe she was the first to be notified of the results.

Do the Anthony's have any say about the funeral?

Maybe as a final insult Casey will say no more autopsy , cremate her!

Maybe just cremate her.

Does she have that right?

From what has been reported, Casey as the next of kin has all the rights regarding Caylee. She was supposed to have been notified first but it sounds to me like the grandparents were notified first (around 1:30 p.m.) and then Casey was notified (around 1:45 p.m.).

Casey has to sign over her rights to Caylee's remains to the grandparents (if she so chooses) so they can make funeral arrangements. And perhaps she has already done that but who knows how it will play out.

Hopefully, Caylee will be laid to rest in a manner befitting her precious life.

[JD1974]

Ok...Ok....I'll move :chicken:

Is there anyone left in the saga who needs an attorney? Lenny???



Hopefully Caylee has the best one when all this is over and her mother is in jail for the rest of her natural life.

[summer4meplz]

Sadly I agree....not with out a MOD. I can live with LWOP tho :biggrin:


but they didn't have a cause of death for Laci did they?

[summer4meplz]

Ok...Ok....I'll move :chicken:

Is there anyone left in the saga who needs an attorney? Lenny???


I think lenny IS an attorney....iirc...not practicing of course...

[cajunmoon]

but they didn't have a cause of death for Laci did they?

No they didn't. Only a MOD. which was homicide.

It isn't necessary when there is significant CE before and after the fact.

[Katt2]

When it gets to trial I wonder if LKB will let bumbling Baez even say a word? :smile:

I can't wait for this trial. As hard as it will be for us to have to listen to the ME and CSI, it will be some comfort to know that Casey is also having to listen to how this darling child's skeleton was scattered over an acre and had to be recovered piece by little piece. Will anything sink in then?

[jakee]

Honestly if I had found Caylee and I hate to say this but if I couldn't account for my time during the supposed kidnapping..I would of called in anon to the tip line. You KNEW if it was just a regular person who found the body they were going to get some kind of accusation against them from Casey and Jose...pretty sad someone would be afraid to turn in finding her because they are afraid they will be the next bump under the Casey is innocent bus.


It is sad. The tipster can't win, if he would have called in anon, they would have said THAT looked suspicious and of course that would mean he was the real killer. Call in with your name and you are a murderer who wants fame and your name in lights! Would they have been able to trace anon tips too?

I feel sorry for the guy and anyone else who is accused or going to be. It is a nightmare.

All IMO

[AJandTam]

From what has been reported, Casey as the next of kin has all the rights regarding Caylee. She was supposed to have been notified first but it sounds to me like the grandparents were notified first (around 1:30 p.m.) and then Casey was notified (around 1:45 p.m.).

Casey has to sign over her rights to Caylee's remains to the grandparents (if she so chooses) so they can make funeral arrangements. And perhaps she has already done that but who knows how it will play out.

Hopefully, Caylee will be laid to rest in a manner befitting her precious life.

This is correct, what I found interesting about this, is that this is legal rights, and no one but no one mentioned a father or any of his relatives in the legal moves concerning taking control of Caylees body. Does that mean that they still do not know who the father is??

[penguin01]

Honestly if I had found Caylee and I hate to say this but if I couldn't account for my time during the supposed kidnapping..I would of called in anon to the tip line. You KNEW if it was just a regular person who found the body they were going to get some kind of accusation against them from Casey and Jose...pretty sad someone would be afraid to turn in finding her because they are afraid they will be the next bump under the Casey is innocent bus.
Not just Casey and Jose - how about posters on this board - calling Mr Kronk weird and very much suspecting him. THs also -hoping to throw some guilt his way for interests sake. I had always hoped that I would be someone who would be as watchful and persistant as he has been - but I sure am rethinking that now!

[JD1974]

And yet the experts just love to say that "science is science and doesn't lie" and they don't have a side -- just reporting the truth. Uh-huh.



Science IS science and science doesn't lie, it is the people who are trying to spin the results that do the lying. Unless they really believe what they are saying which as scientists some of the things they testify to is impossible lol

[barskin&co.]

I think lenny IS an attorney....iirc...not practicing of course...

Yes! He has a law degree and he is "President and Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Lorenzo Patino Law School 1982-present."
I do not believe he has ever practised, though, or if he has ever even passed a bar exam. Nor do I know how prestigious the Lorenzo Patino Law School is.


http://leonardpadilla.net/

[KKKKKKatie]

No they didn't. Only a MOD. which was homicide.

It isn't necessary when there is significant CE before and after the fact.

I just noticed that I got my letters mixed up. I meant to say they don't have a COD. At least as of yet

[trich]

on edge and upset? Sounds like their dog is missing. How about devestated, destroyed, unable to talk, eat, stand....

None of these lawyers are helping the Anthony image AT ALL. All the talk of the Anthonys new profession of helping missing children's families in their message yesterday? HELLO. Caylee was murdered and hidden. She was never missing.


They will still do everything they can to deny Casey did this and will continue to suggest it was someone else such as the Nanny.
I would not want them on my side if someone I loved was missing..
They did not even look for their own grandaughter.
Of course they knew she was dead and not missing.

[JD1974]

From what has been reported, Casey as the next of kin has all the rights regarding Caylee. She was supposed to have been notified first but it sounds to me like the grandparents were notified first (around 1:30 p.m.) and then Casey was notified (around 1:45 p.m.).

Casey has to sign over her rights to Caylee's remains to the grandparents (if she so chooses) so they can make funeral arrangements. And perhaps she has already done that but who knows how it will play out.

Hopefully, Caylee will be laid to rest in a manner befitting her precious life.


If she refuses to release the remains I think the Anthony's can take her to court to get custody of them...god that sounds so horrible.

[Regina.Lampert]

I agree, and you really never know about the trash guy...Jayne W. will throw that out there next. :rolleyes: Look what she is saying about the Meter Reader! He did it and kept going back to the scene of the crime.

Last night one expert was saying they would not be able to tell if Caylee was chloroformed from her hair because the elements would have caused the chemicals to dissipate...something like that, Then another expert on a different show said they would be able to. I am confused.

I loved it when both Jane and Nancy cautioned their guests, who pointed to Mr. Kronk as being the "real killer" that they may find themselves on the wrong end of a civil action. Then, they referred to LE's statement that Mr. Kronk IS NOT A SUSPECT IN THIS MURDER.

As usual the concept of IUPG only applies to the perps arrested and charged, not to any truly innocent person involved in the nightmare. Jayne Weintraub is the absolute worst, imo.

[AJandTam]

Not just Casey and Jose - how about posters on this board - calling Mr Kronk weird and very much suspecting him. THs also -hoping to throw some guilt his way for interests sake. I had always hoped that I would be someone who would be as watchful and persistant as he has been - but I sure am rethinking that now!

Yesterday, I just had enough and left the boards for the day after the remains were discovered. What kind of lawyer does Kronk have. Just curious? Does anyone know.

[ann10]

It is going to be fascinating to see how it plays out IMO


I will offer what is sure to be another vilified opinion. I think if the forensics do not show evidence that Caylee was drugged, Casey will be offered a deal by the state which she will take. In this scenario, I think she will plead to a lesser charge.



My opinion.

[AJandTam]

If she refuses to release the remains I think the Anthony's can take her to court to get custody of them...god that sounds so horrible.

IF Casey killed Caylee so that Cindy could never get custody, that's going to be rather ironic that in the end, that is exactly what she has to do.

[JD1974]

Not just Casey and Jose - how about posters on this board - calling Mr Kronk weird and very much suspecting him. THs also -hoping to throw some guilt his way for interests sake. I had always hoped that I would be someone who would be as watchful and persistant as he has been - but I sure am rethinking that now!


Exactly what I am meaning, this guy found something that he thought was strange...now he is a suspect in the media and possibly could be at the trial, I really do hope he has an alibi. I swear if Casey really plotted this out then she has told the Anthony's that Zanny is fake and that she only said that "name" to keep Caylee safe because the real kidnappers threatened her...so what was the real kidnappers name...whoever found the body, whoever knew Casey, pretty much the whole state of FL for them...disgusting.

[KKKKKKatie]

I will offer what is sure to be another vilified opinion. I think if the forensics do not show evidence that Caylee was drugged, Casey will be offered a deal by the state which she will take. In this scenario, I think she will plead to a lesser charge.



My opinion.


I was talking about the funeral arrangements but that is ok....

I guess time will tell about how the charges will play out

[SavannahStar]

Last night I couldn't wrap my mind around anyone wanting to pay for her defense. To me, it's unfathomable that this anonymous alleged multi millionaire would want to waste money on a suspected baby killer. What kind of person does that? If they have all this money to throw away, why don't they give it to a good cause and not waste it on this monster.

*snipped*



Perhaps it's someone who is very respectful of the U.S. criminal justice system and believes with all his heart that even the most heinous of criminals deserves the best defense possible. Anything short of that would make us (our country) no better than back in the days of witchcrafts and stonings and lynching in the streets was common.

I wouldn't give money to her defense but I'm glad someone is. I have no doubt she will be tried and convicted and sentenced to the max allowable by law. But I'll be very, very happy she got a fair trial and a good defense.

How could anyone not want that?

[Regina.Lampert]

I would like to see the DP put back on the table as a bargaining chip but I will be just as satisfied to see Casey get LWOP.

Hey Ell, that's just how I feel. I want the DP to make the point that what this defendant did was so heinous and cruel, but in reality I believe the DP is way too easy a way out for her.

I wish her a very long life, in a solitary cell.

[kitty1182]

That guy who found her did the same think I would have done, I would have kept going back too...God works in mysterious ways and I think He worked thru him on Thursday..

I found this on yesterday's thread..Very nice,

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=32269407

[Dunlurken]

I would like to see the DP put back on the table as a bargaining chip but I will be just as satisfied to see Casey get LWOP.

Quite frankly, put her out there in general pop. She won't last long. Why am I so angry?

[AJandTam]

I will offer what is sure to be another vilified opinion. I think if the forensics do not show evidence that Caylee was drugged, Casey will be offered a deal by the state which she will take. In this scenario, I think she will plead to a lesser charge.



My opinion.

I can't say that won't happen, I can't say that it will. What I can say is that considering how much has been put into the investigation of the remains sight. It sure doesn't sound like anyones going to cut her a break.

[SavannahStar]

I will offer what is sure to be another vilified opinion. I think if the forensics do not show evidence that Caylee was drugged, Casey will be offered a deal by the state which she will take. In this scenario, I think she will plead to a lesser charge.



My opinion.

You won't be vilified by me. I think that is very likely.

[Dunlurken]

Perhaps it's someone who is very respectful of the U.S. criminal justice system and believes with all his heart that even the most heinous of criminals deserves the best defense possible. Anything short of that would make us (our country) no better than back in the days of witchcrafts and stonings and lynching in the streets was common.

I wouldn't give money to her defense but I'm glad someone is. I have no doubt she will be tried and convicted and sentenced to the max allowable by law. But I'll be very, very happy she got a fair trial and a good defense.

How could anyone not want that?

At least with the dream team defense, no wiggle room for ineffective counsel.

[CuriousJo]

They can't determine COD, so it could still be broken neck, suffication, drugs--- toxicology studies are pending.

Still curious about WHO is paying for the defense. At first I thought that Caylees' "deceased" father had left her a bundle of money, and it was rolled over for Casey per his widow, or something...(That paternity testing will be very interesting. Lets see if Casey really has the fathers name on her computer files or if the parents admit the truth- if they even know it). But, at this point everything is pointing directly at Csey, so it must be someone with invested interest to get her off- parents, grandparents, brother, someone involved with the crime or Jeraldo. The latter ususally has good gut instinct, but not this time.

[ann10]

You won't be vilified by me. I think that is very likely.

Thank you. I mostly just read here, and I always find your posts to be refreshing.:smile:

[Kelly3820]

It is sad. The tipster can't win, if he would have called in anon, they would have said THAT looked suspicious and of course that would mean he was the real killer. Call in with your name and you are a murderer who wants fame and your name in lights! Would they have been able to trace anon tips too?

I feel sorry for the guy and anyone else who is accused or going to be. It is a nightmare.

All IMO



I feel very sorry for the man. He called in a tip and the other tips were just checking to see if his tip was follwed up on. I think this case haunted him like it has for many others. I am sure radio stations down there are always talking about this case. I just believe this man really thought this place needed to be searched because of things being said that Casey used to hang out there. I am glad he is a warrior and never gave up. I am sorry what he will be going thru.

[?noanswer]

Good morning all, I have a question. When Casey goes to trial for murder, will her stealing and check cashing be off limits because she hasn't been convicted of that yet?


I think it could be introduced to show her state of mind during the time Caylee was missing. I see no difference in those actions than her partying actions as far as to how she was feeling (Happy, Happy, Happy). They might not bring up the fact that she was using a stolen credit card, tho. Don't know how they could handle her forging the checks. JMO

[Dunlurken]

I think the toxicology will be huge! Her hair will show traces of whatever has been in her system.

[Regina.Lampert]

I will offer what is sure to be another vilified opinion. I think if the forensics do not show evidence that Caylee was drugged, Casey will be offered a deal by the state which she will take. In this scenario, I think she will plead to a lesser charge.



My opinion.

I believe we already have confirmation of drugs, the body farm reports of significant levels of chloroform in the trunk, along with a hair from Caylee that demonstrated signs of decomposition.

Or, are you counting on that critical evidence being thrown out?

Off to shop, I'll check back to see what your opinion is on this Annie. :seeya:

[?noanswer]

I have another question. In the video of Caylee reading a book at a table. In the background there is a black woman at what looks like a sink or something. I wonder who she is? I wonder if Casy will say that is Zannie. TIA

That person is an employee of the ALF where the GGP was living. JMO

[Dunlurken]

She was offered a plea deal already. Baez sat on it . I can't see them offering her another one, especially not now since they have found Caylee's body. She will NEVER admit she did anything wrong.

If she's smart, which she isn't (nor is Baez) she will keep that needle out of her arm. The forensics and the circumstantial evidence are insurmountable, even to a lay person.

[barskin&co.]

She was offered a plea deal already. Baez sat on it . I can't see them offering her another one, especially not now since they have found Caylee's body. She will NEVER admit she did anything wrong.

Good point!

[AJandTam]

She was offered a plea deal already. Baez sat on it . I can't see them offering her another one, especially not now since they have found Caylee's body. She will NEVER admit she did anything wrong.

The best of the best is working that remains site. I would doubt it myself. They probably WISH they had taken it now.

[summer4meplz]

I will offer what is sure to be another vilified opinion. I think if the forensics do not show evidence that Caylee was drugged, Casey will be offered a deal by the state which she will take. In this scenario, I think she will plead to a lesser charge.



My opinion.


very possible but she has a lot of years to face with the fraud/check charges too.....imo

[Pruddennce]

on edge and upset? Sounds like their dog is missing. How about devestated, destroyed, unable to talk, eat, stand....

None of these lawyers are helping the Anthony image AT ALL. All the talk of the Anthonys new profession of helping missing children's families in their message yesterday? HELLO. Caylee was murdered and hidden. She was never missing.

isnt that the strangest choice of words: ON EDGE?

thank you. NEVER MISSING AS IN KIDNAPPED.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[cajunmoon]

IF Casey killed Caylee so that Cindy could never get custody, that's going to be rather ironic that in the end, that is exactly what she has to do.

That is ironic!

That, however may be more than casey can take, and at that point in time, I believe there will be some kind of major change in the tone of this case. I don't know what, but it will IMO be profound!

[ann10]

I believe we already have confirmation of drugs, the body farm reports of significant levels of chloroform in the trunk, along with a hair from Caylee that demonstrated signs of decomposition.

Or, are you counting on that critical evidence being thrown out?

Off to shop, I'll check back to see what your opinion is on this Annie. :seeya:


I'n off to do the same, only I have a 12 year old daughter demanding that I hurry. I will see you here later, and maybe we can speculate about it.

Happy shopping.

[Kelly3820]

Hey Ell, that's just how I feel. I want the DP to make the point that what this defendant did was so heinous and cruel, but in reality I believe the DP is way too easy a way out for her.

I wish her a very long life, in a solitary cell.


I am for the DP but there are cases were I think LWOP is just what the murderer needs. I want DP for Casey. I don't want her getting any attention when she is found guilty. I don't want her shedding any fake tears. Where she will be going is exactly what she deserves.

[court~critic1®]

That person is an employee of the ALF where the GGP was living. JMO


Thanks.... several informed me of this. Don't know why I didn't think of that.

[Dunlurken]

very possible but she has a lot of years to face with the fraud/check charges too.....imo

Too bad that's not all she's looking at. She's looking at premeditated, aggravated murder 1. She will probably get either LWOP or death. I think now that the body has found, they can put death back on the table.

Why wouldn't they not be able to? Circumstances have changed. We have a body wrapped in something from the Anthony home, with duct tape over her mouth or skull.

[Ladyhawk]

I will offer what is sure to be another vilified opinion. I think if the forensics do not show evidence that Caylee was drugged, Casey will be offered a deal by the state which she will take. In this scenario, I think she will plead to a lesser charge.



My opinion.

That's possible....but I really don't see Baez letting her accept a plea. I don't think Casey herself will accept a plea. There was a time very early on in this when I believe Casey would have actually admitted what happened but Baez put the brakes on for whatever his reasoning was.

[AJandTam]

That is ironic!

That, however may be more than casey can take, and at that point in time, I believe there will be some kind of major change in the tone of this case. I don't know what, but it will IMO be profound!

Yes, if this is the case, that would be the ultimate slap in the face to Casey.

[WillowInFlight]

I am for the DP but there are cases were I think LWOP is just what the murderer needs. I want DP for Casey. I don't want her getting any attention when she is found guilty. I don't want her shedding any fake tears. Where she will be going is exactly what she deserves.

I think she is more deserving to sit there for the rest of her life and be reminded what she is missing out on.

[cathiesblogs]

I do believe now that this is the biological father of Caylee..I did a little undercover search and found a collage that was done awhile back...Caylee looks just like this guy Eric !!!
http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq76/Justicewanted/Caylee-Erik-Collage.jpg

I read that this collage was done by Casey herself awhile back..any one have any knowledge of this?..thanks..

[?noanswer]

Let's not forget that Casey has NOTHING to hold over Cindy anymore. Now that Caylee has been found, the gloves are off. Cindy could probably fight for the rights over the body now. Someone who understands the laws in these areas could better explain but if Casey pulls any BS, doesn't Cindy have the right to step in?

It would probably have to go thru the legal system, but with the report that the Child Protective Agency gave, then I think CA could win. It kinda struck me odd, that when they were talking about notifying the next of kin, they said they notified KC, and then Cindy. They did not mention GA. JMO

[Dunlurken]

That's possible....but I really don't see Baez letting her accept a plea. I don't think Casey herself will accept a plea. There was a time very early on in this when I believe Casey would have actually admitted what happened but Baez put the brakes on for whatever his reasoning was.

Why is he so dumb? You would think a defense attorney, especially at this point, would say take a plea. You ain't going to walk. No way, no how.

[AJandTam]

I do believe now that this is the biological father of Caylee..I did a little undercover search and found a collage that was done awhile back...Caylee looks just like this guy Eric !!!
http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq76/Justicewanted/Caylee-Erik-Collage.jpg

I would like to know why the paternity side of this was not addressed in legal notification and or/the releasing of the body?? Does this mean the father is still unknown?? Maybe Katprint knows how this would work. I have no idea. Just curious.

[Amy]

Then I would like to hear the defense argue the stench in the car, all the internet searches, the not reporting the kidnapping for 31 days, the constant lies.

The third person on the defense's 3 person witness list IS the computer guy, so I imagine they have all kinds of things to say about the internet searches. Don't know how they are going to deal w/the other 2 pieces of evidence. Ooops, forgot, they are still (even w/LKB on the team) going to continue with the Zanny the Nanny did it, and the script that wouldn't LET her report Caylee missing.

I was wondering, tho, if LKB has determined that there need to be more defense witnesses, and if so, if she convinced her "lead attorney" JB on that issue? I think JB didn't have a clue, and gave up after figuring out the "experts" he wanted. And, of course, then wanted all the prosecution witnesses to be on HIS list. Save some money there, too, ya know, since the prosecution would have already footed the bill for subpeonaes and whatnot.

[cathiesblogs]

I would like to know why the paternity side of this was not addressed in legal notification and or/the releasing of the body?? Does this mean the father is still unknown?? Maybe Katprint knows how this would work. I have no idea. Just curious.

I would love to know this as well !!..Gosh..the father's family would have loved little Caylee too !!! but my understanding is ..Cindy didn't want the dad or the family of Caylee to be involved..that is why she didn't include his name on her birth's certificate...just seems so unfair to me !!

[Dunlurken]

I would like to know why the paternity side of this was not addressed in legal notification and or/the releasing of the body?? Does this mean the father is still unknown?? Maybe Katprint knows how this would work. I have no idea. Just curious.

The father is still "unknown". How sad, that beautiful little girl (and the Anthony's) didn't know who the real father was. Just horrible!

[jakee]

You won't be vilified by me. I think that is very likely.

I am not sure. I just can't see this defense team pleading down. That would mean Casey would admit she did something and I, as of now, cannot see her admitting anything. Of course, I am naive about how a lot of this works. :smile:

[?noanswer]

Which is why I don't see it happening. And I really don't believe Casey wants to attend. I think the family may have a small little service with the excuse that when Casey is freed they will do it proper.

I think they will have a private memorial service.

IIRC, LE said they would turn the body over to a funeral home and if KC's legal team wanted to do an autopsy, they would have to go thru the funeral home. Does anyone know if they will give the body to the funeral home exactly as they have assembled the bones, or will they just put the bones in a container and then the Defense team will have to reassemble them? Sorry to type such gross thoughts, but I am curious as to how that procedure is done.

JMO

[Dunlurken]

I am not sure. I just can't see this defense team pleading down. That would mean Casey would admit she did something and I, as of now, cannot see her admitting anything. Of course, I am naive about how a lot of this works. :smile:

If prosecution puts death back on the table, which I think they can since circumstances have changed and we have a body and more evidence....then Casey's attorney could cut a bargain for LWOP instead of death. I think that's what they should do and the Anthony's should be beating a path to the jail to tell her to confess. JMO.

[Virgo]

Does anyone know if they can get fingerprints off of duct tape even though the body was in water?

[AJandTam]

I would love to know this as well !!..Gosh..the father's family would have loved little Caylee too !!! but my understanding is ..Cindy didn't want the dad or the family of Caylee to be involved..that is why she didn't include his name on her birth's certificate...just seems so unfair to me !!

I guess they just don't know who it is, and will never probably know..

[Dunlurken]

Does anyone know if they can get fingerprints off of duct tape even though the body was in water?

Yes, they can. The tape was stuck to the bag also, not just the skull. Water can't penetrate the tape.

[Ladyhawk]

Why is he so dumb? You would think a defense attorney, especially at this point, would say take a plea. You ain't going to walk. No way, no how.

He was capitivated by her story and took it beyond the point of no return. What I find annoying is his constant expectations that established procedures that everyone else has to follow, should be modified to suit him and what he wishes to do.

[JD1974]

I would like to know why the paternity side of this was not addressed in legal notification and or/the releasing of the body?? Does this mean the father is still unknown?? Maybe Katprint knows how this would work. I have no idea. Just curious.



Legally a mother does not have to state who the father of her child is. So if he wants to get involved, since no paternity was established through the court I think he would have to file a petition for paternity..but I could be wrong.

[AJandTam]

The father is still "unknown". How sad, that beautiful little girl (and the Anthony's) didn't know who the real father was. Just horrible!

This is how it appeared. It is very sad. As If the paternal side was known. They would be entittled to the same rights under the law as the maternal side in a case like this. And if the father was alive/known then he would have the rights over anyone else. I would think.

[jakee]

Yes, they can. The tape was stuck to the bag also, not just the skull. Water can't penetrate the tape.


Thank goodness for that. I wish we knew those fingerprint results.

[SavannahStar]

Thank you. I mostly just read here, and I always find your posts to be refreshing.:smile:

I appreciate your kind words....thank you! :smile:

[Dunlurken]

He was capitivated by her story and took it beyond the point of no return. What I find annoying is his constant expectations that established procedures that everyone else has to follow, should be modified to suit him and what he wishes to do.

I think he had "stars in his eyes" and thought he could win this against the best, LE, the FBI, forensic anthropologists, etc. When the body was found..... game over!

[SavannahStar]

Legally a mother does not have to state who the father of her child is. So if he wants to get involved, since no paternity was established through the court I think he would have to file a petition for paternity..but I could be wrong.

You are exactly right, 100%. He HAS no rights until paternity is proven.

I tend to think whoever it is, if alive, maybe has a clue, but wants no part of this circus. If he didn't care to be in Caylee's short life before her death, why would he now?

[court~critic1®]

I think they will have a private memorial service.

IIRC, LE said they would turn the body over to a funeral home and if KC's legal team wanted to do an autopsy, they would have to go thru the funeral home. Does anyone know if they will give the body to the funeral home exactly as they have assembled the bones, or will they just put the bones in a container and then the Defense team will have to reassemble them? Sorry to type such gross thoughts, but I am curious as to how that procedure is done.



JMO


I would think they would be put in a funeral home body bag. Yes I heard the same thing about the defense having to get permission from the funeral home to do an autopsy. They(defense) may even do it there in the funeral home.

[cathiesblogs]

I wonder would Casey have loved Caylee more had she looked more like her !!...Caylee had big eyes..such a beautiful face !!!...I know that Casey wears blue contacts and has brown eyes...but personally I didn't think Caylee looked so much like Casey...more like Cindy...but if this Eric is the real dad..she looks just like him !...If I was the family members of Eric, I would try for DNA now !!...I really see a lot of similarities with the pictures ..and kind of strange that the collage was made by casey !."if the rumour is true that Eric is the father"..

[Dunlurken]

Thank goodness for that. I wish we knew those fingerprint results.

There may be some, there might not be. I think there will be some though. I remember one case, where a piece of nail polish was stuck to the tape. I think it was Melanie McGuire. They tracked the little tiny bit of nail polish to the same place where she had her nails done. A match!

[cathiesblogs]

You are exactly right, 100%. He HAS no rights until paternity is proven.

I tend to think whoever it is, if alive, maybe has a clue, but wants no part of this circus. If he didn't care to be in Caylee's short life before her death, why would he now?

I can only imagine what would have happened had the guy..or his family tryed to become involved in little Caylee's life..with this family..it would have been a nightmare!..but still not a good enough excuse !

[cajunmoon]

I would like to know why the paternity side of this was not addressed in legal notification and or/the releasing of the body?? Does this mean the father is still unknown?? Maybe Katprint knows how this would work. I have no idea. Just curious.

I believe that since the father was never "declared" on her birth certificate(she does carry the Anthony name) that there is no legal basis for including him (be he a knowing participant or not).

[Virgo]

I thought I heard Cindy Anthony say that Caylee's father was dead. I think it was on Larry King.

[penguin01]

I think the toxicology will be huge! Her hair will show traces of whatever has been in her system.


OH - your lips to God's ears, please! I was so disapointed that there was no flesh - even attached to some duct tape. But there is hair! Would chloroform survive to be traced in the hair after all this time?

[?noanswer]

According to Moore, Casey will not be going to any services.

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=AllanMooreReaction_121920081 030&cat=CAC&title=Corrections%20Dept%20Reacts%20To%20Baez%20Co mments


According to what Moore said, there must not be a law preventing it, just the discretion of the jail and maybe LE. I don't think she will be allowed to go, tho. The only reason she would even want to go would be to get out of jail for a few minutes, it would not be because of her love for Caylee. JMO

[AJandTam]

Legally a mother does not have to state who the father of her child is. So if he wants to get involved, since no paternity was established through the court I think he would have to file a petition for paternity..but I could be wrong.

That isn't quiet what I mean. What I mean is that. IF the LE established a paternity, would they have to follow the law and release the body to the father instead of what they are saying. That Casey has to release the body to the family? They never said that either Casey or the real father (not mentioning his name) would have to sign over the body. It was as though they didnt' know, so therefore Casey was the only one mentioned, that would need to sign the body over.

[cajunmoon]

You are exactly right, 100%. He HAS no rights until paternity is proven.

I tend to think whoever it is, if alive, maybe has a clue, but wants no part of this circus. If he didn't care to be in Caylee's short life before her death, why would he now?


considering the way the Anthonys have behaved, if this man had any idea that he was the father, I am sure he ran like the wind!

If he knew before caylee's death. I am sure he was horrified and quite possibly scared away by them. If one doesn't have a lot of support (and maybe protection) those people come off as scary!

This is just my opinion of the father, whoever he may be.

[Dunlurken]

I thought I heard Cindy Anthony say that Caylee's father was dead. I think it was on Larry King.

We don't know if that's true or not. Apparently, Casey brought Cindy an obit of a guy who died in a motorcycle accident, and said "here, are you happy now.... the father is dead". JMO.

[SavannahStar]

I believe that since the father was never "declared" on her birth certificate(she does carry the Anthony name) that there is no legal basis for including him (be he a knowing participant or not).

There is no legal basis, you are correct.

And I know that a father can only be stated on birth birth cert if 1) the parents are married, OR 2) paternity has been established through testing; OR 3) the father (if unmarried to the mother) gives his permission.

That leads me to believe the father did not want to be involved from the get-go.

I really have no sympathy for Caylee's father, or any curiosity as to who it is.

[ellegna]

Quite frankly, put her out there in general pop. She won't last long. Why am I so angry?

I was thinking general public too.

I know how you feel Dunnie. I woke up very angry too. IMO...The warning signs were there and if one, just one of the A's acted on the warnings rather than spew idle threats or procrastinate, that precious little girl would be here today waiting excitedly for Santa to come.
This could have been avoided if someone took the time to pay attention :mad:
Sorry but that's how I feel.

[AJandTam]

You are exactly right, 100%. He HAS no rights until paternity is proven.

I tend to think whoever it is, if alive, maybe has a clue, but wants no part of this circus. If he didn't care to be in Caylee's short life before her death, why would he now?

Which means that LE during the investigation never proved anyone to be the father either. So therefore, no mention of him.. We can put this to rest. The father is still unknown. Right?

[SavannahStar]

considering the way the Anthonys have behaved, if this man had any idea that he was the father, I am sure he ran like the wind!

If he knew before caylee's death. I am sure he was horrified and quite possibly scared away by them. If one doesn't have a lot of support (and maybe protection) those people come off as scary!

This is just my opinion of the father, whoever he may be.

We should not make this guy into a hero though. It's also VERY possible that he was a total jerk and when confronted with her pregnancy, wanted no part of any commitment, either to Casey or to HIS child.

That's not uncommon. :closedeyes:

[Dunlurken]

According to what Moore said, there must not be a law preventing it, just the discretion of the jail and maybe LE. I don't think she will be allowed to go, tho. The only reason she would even want to go would be to get out of jail for a few minutes, it would not be because of her love for Caylee. JMO

Why should some one who has been charged with murder be allowed to attend any services? I realize she hasn't been convicted yet, but it makes no sense. IF she's found innocent, she can visit the grave site. That's a BIG IF. JMO.

[SavannahStar]

Which means that LE during the investigation never proved anyone to be the father either. So therefore, no mention of him.. We can put this to rest. The father is still unknown. Right?


Yep. I don't think they thought it was in any way relevant to this case. On that I agree.

[lunchlady]

Hey Ell, that's just how I feel. I want the DP to make the point that what this defendant did was so heinous and cruel, but in reality I believe the DP is way too easy a way out for her.

I wish her a very long life, in a solitary cell.

Yes, she will appear on one of those prisoner penpal sites, looking for someone to help her with her legal situation. The younger prettier women get plenty of guys to respond and even court them and marry them. They sometimes get a lot of money or other goodies from the guys who get involved with them. The little ads often mention that they are looking for someone to help them with their appeals- once people get inside the prison all they want is to get out! Ha ha! Given Casey's fame and general grifterliness and youth I'd say she'd be good at attracting flies, but at least she wouldn't be out on the loose, unless she get acquitted. I hope Florida doesn't have conjugal visits so she can't have any more children! Given Florida's general attitude about convicted criminals I doubt this would happen.

[kitty1182]

According to what Moore said, there must not be a law preventing it, just the discretion of the jail and maybe LE. I don't think she will be allowed to go, tho. The only reason she would even want to go would be to get out of jail for a few minutes, it would not be because of her love for Caylee. JMO

Good, I don't want her to go....Let her sit where she has been sitting..If she hadn't killed her, there would be no funeral to go too..
IMO, she has no right to go....:cursing:

[cajunmoon]

Maybe the next public death of a little child will have some flesh for you to discuss and mull over... sheesh.
Considering the conditions that exist in that area, I doubt that there was any soft tissue remains left after the first two weeks. This is so sad. Uni,aginable for any of us parents for sure.

When I was there I would see my husband clean fish and put th bones in a pile where I was making fertilizer, and within a day or so, any soft tissue was gone!

[GentleBreeze]

Does anyone know if they can get fingerprints off of duct tape even though the body was in water?

Yes, I know this can be done. I have read about such cases in the past. One was where a missing woman was found in a creek after three years. She had been weighted down and was bound with duct tape around her ankles and hands. They were able to retrieve the fingerprints off of the duct tape and arrested her killer. I wish now I had remembered her name but I am sorry I just cant think of it.

Also there was a case out of Florida not too long ago where a guy tossed a woman's body in a waterway and they found fibers on the duct tape and I believe animal hairs that connected him to her murder. She was also bound and gagged with duct tape and was missing for months when found.

imoo

[Dunlurken]

There is no legal basis, you are correct.

And I know that a father can only be stated on birth birth cert if 1) the parents are married, OR 2) paternity has been established through testing; OR 3) the father (if unmarried to the mother) gives his permission.

That leads me to believe the father did not want to be involved from the get-go.

I really have no sympathy for Caylee's father, or any curiosity as to who it is.
I do have curiousity as to who the father is. We will probably never know though. Even the "real" father might know that it's him. JMO.

[court~critic1®]

We should not make this guy into a hero though. It's also VERY possible that he was a total jerk and when confronted with her pregnancy, wanted no part of any commitment, either to Casey or to HIS child.

That's not uncommon. :closedeyes:



I concur.

Not only is it not uncommon, it seems to be the norm. Sad to say.

[jakee]

OH - your lips to God's ears, please! I was so disapointed that there was no flesh - even attached to some duct tape. But there is hair! Would chloroform survive to be traced in the hair after all this time?

I heard differing opinions from experts on the chloroform. One expert said if it was just inhaled, it would not show and/or the elements would have cause the chemicals to dissipate. But if a drug was ingested it could possible show up.

Then another expert said chloroform could show depending on how often it was used. Maybe not show if this was the first time it was used.

Anyone remember all this talk. I watched so many different shows my head is spinning. Hope that made sense.

[breezie]

You won't be vilified by me. I think that is very likely.

I disagree. Casey, like Scott Peterson, will go to hell proclaiming their innocence. I do not believe Casey will ever plea out. And her A team wants the media attention that a trial will bring.

[Remy]

If possible, try to think like an Anthony here. They have definitely lost one of the two, and there's no more denying it. Now they have more reason than ever to try to save the second one. Cindy and George are not in shock right now --- they have known for a long time that Caylee was gone --- but the denial has to end now. I also am going to be watching them, but for the time being, with a funeral to get through, they have my sympathies.

I can't think like an Anthony and I hope I'm never in a situation like theirs but I hope they realize soon that they lost Casey a long time ago and regardless of the level of dysfunction in the family it is not their fault.

Casey was an adult and had choices. Many children go through much worse and get help to overcome their issues Casey chose not to and she alone is responsible despite the enabling she received - as GA stated she pushes beyond the limit and she pushed as far as one can go now.

I would like to think that love is unconditional but the sad thing is it is conditional. It is based on what we know of a person and Casey is a stranger to them at the moment since I really believe they did not think she was capable of murder.

I just hope they are able to get through the testing of her remains quickly by the defense so she Caylee can be laid to rest soon and then the A's can focus on healing. All moo.

[psbperu]

I loved it when both Jane and Nancy cautioned their guests, who pointed to Mr. Kronk as being the "real killer" that they may find themselves on the wrong end of a civil action. Then, they referred to LE's statement that Mr. Kronk IS NOT A SUSPECT IN THIS MURDER.

As usual the concept of IUPG only applies to the perps arrested and charged, not to any truly innocent person involved in the nightmare. Jayne Weintraub is the absolute worst, imo.


The "trash" talking on some of the shows is truly unconscionable. No wonder people don't want to report anything pertaining to a crime or an accident or if they do...want to remain anonymous.

Bandying the man's name around now when LE has stated he is a "credible" witness & is not a "suspect" in any way. All for the sake of puffing out a lot of hot air & giving themselves tv time.

[cathiesblogs]

I thought I heard Cindy Anthony say that Caylee's father was dead. I think it was on Larry King.
yes..Eric James Baker 12-08-83- 08-11-2007
...this is the guy http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq76/Justicewanted/Caylee-Erik-Collage.jpg
Caylee was born on August 9, 2005..I really think this is the dad!!

[AJandTam]

I believe that since the father was never "declared" on her birth certificate(she does carry the Anthony name) that there is no legal basis for including him (be he a knowing participant or not).

Basically, what I was thinking is that paternity was never established through the investigation and that we will never know, as IF we were to ever know. It would have been revealed yesterday. I don't know the law so I didn't know if I was right in what I am concluding or not.

[Cury-us Coyote]

What role will forensics play?
(the when & who elements)
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=8113907
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8113788&version=1&locale=EN-US

[*MoonRider*]

I do believe now that this is the biological father of Caylee..I did a little undercover search and found a collage that was done awhile back...Caylee looks just like this guy Eric !!!
http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq76/Justicewanted/Caylee-Erik-Collage.jpg

I read that this collage was done by Casey herself awhile back..any one have any knowledge of this?..thanks..

Is that the Eric James Baker that Casey had on one of her blogs that said 12/8/83 - 8/11/07 ???

[JD1974]

You are exactly right, 100%. He HAS no rights until paternity is proven.

I tend to think whoever it is, if alive, maybe has a clue, but wants no part of this circus. If he didn't care to be in Caylee's short life before her death, why would he now?


I have had that thought but just couldn't bring myself to type it, if he has even an inkling (slept with Casey around the time Caylee was concieved) he could come forward and ask for paternity to be established...I honestly think he just doesn't care. I will apologize profusely if it was because he never knew, but he has to have an idea NOW doesn't he? Casey and Caylee's faces have been splashed on tv for months...

[penguin01]

Maybe the next public death of a little child will have some flesh for you to discuss and mull over... sheesh.
What on earth is your problem? We have dicussed ways to determine cause of death. We have heard NG and others speculate that perhaps the duct tape protected something (would tissue be a better word for your tender sensibilities?) so that a determination could be made. We are anxiously awaiting forensic reports now - well apparently YOU are not - so that it can be determined how this poor child died.
Sheesh yourself!

[Dunlurken]

Yes, she will appear on one of those prisoner penpal sites, looking for someone to help her with her legal situation. The younger prettier women get plenty of guys to respond and even court them and marry them. They sometimes get a lot of money or other goodies from the guys who get involved with them. The little ads often mention that they are looking for someone to help them with their appeals- once people get inside the prison all they want is to get out! Ha ha! Given Casey's fame and general grifterliness and youth I'd say she'd be good at attracting flies, but at least she wouldn't be out on the loose, unless she get acquitted. I hope Florida doesn't have conjugal visits so she can't have any more children! Given Florida's general attitude about convicted criminals I doubt this would happen.

I wonder if men are as silly as woman? Both the Mendez brothers and Peterson have women writing to them saying they are in luv? sheesh, I guess these people have no life. JMO.

Sorry, I think I went off topic.

[?noanswer]

I don't understand how he was able to attend.

Isn't a person under indictment for the murder of a person excluded from attending the funeral of his alleged victim? I am missing something.

In caseys case, security would have to be possibly doubled. It would be cost prohibitive and a circus to boot. In my opinion.

Had he been charged at the time of the funeral? If so, did he get bail? KC has been charged and has not been allowed bail. JMO

[september]

I thought I heard Cindy Anthony say that Caylee's father was dead. I think it was on Larry King.

And that's your reliable source?

[cajunmoon]

I just hope they are able to get through the testing of her remains quickly by the defense so she Caylee can be laid to rest soon and then the A's can focus on healing. All moo.

I don't think they need caylee's little remains to do any more testing. They have saved samoples, x-rays, photographs, etc, as they do in all autopsies.

although it is my belief that Caylee has been at peace since the moment of her death, I hope her earthly body can be put to rest soon.

[Amy]

They can't determine COD, so it could still be broken neck, suffication, drugs--- toxicology studies are pending.

Still curious about WHO is paying for the defense. At first I thought that Caylees' "deceased" father had left her a bundle of money, and it was rolled over for Casey per his widow, or something...(That paternity testing will be very interesting. Lets see if Casey really has the fathers name on her computer files or if the parents admit the truth- if they even know it). But, at this point everything is pointing directly at Csey, so it must be someone with invested interest to get her off- parents, grandparents, brother, someone involved with the crime or Jeraldo. The latter ususally has good gut instinct, but not this time.

Maybe Geraldo, his being a good buddy of Baez and all that. But good gut instinct and Geraldo don't belong in the same sentence, IMO. Especially not in this case, but also in many other aspects.

[AJandTam]

Yep. I don't think they thought it was in any way relevant to this case. On that I agree.

This is how it looks, so we can put that discussion to rest now. IMHO.

[JD1974]

I believe that since the father was never "declared" on her birth certificate(she does carry the Anthony name) that there is no legal basis for including him (be he a knowing participant or not).


Not being declared on her birth certificate has no bearing really. Most paternity tests are taken after the child is born, you legally have to give your child your last name at the time of birth unless the father signs a waiver stating he is the father and will not contest paternity. The father would still have the exact same rights by paternity being established whether he was named on the bc or not.

[Dunlurken]

Basically, what I was thinking is that paternity was never established through the investigation and that we will never know, as IF we were to ever know. It would have been revealed yesterday. I don't know the law so I didn't know if I was right in what I am concluding or not.

In my state, you can put the father's name on the birth certificate, but not give the baby his last name. Each state may be different.

[KKKKKKatie]

Didn't the ME already determine No Cause of Death can be determined? Yet.. wishing for there to have been duct tape with flesh attached, when clearly there wasn't, is in my opinion sick and disturbing.


then take CW's advice and skip and scroll

[Cury-us Coyote]

CF13 News Video

Corrections Dept on Baez Comments
(Allen Moore's Baez response, ask court to deny funeral release)
http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=000UOXZxMooreReax_1220200809 41&cat=CAC&title=Corrections%20Dept.%20On%20Baez%20Comments

[trich]

Since I am convinced that Casey does not know who the father is why should the LE need to know.
The story about the father dying in accident is just a falsehood to lesson the fact that Caylee was the result of a one night stand.
I don't see what it has to do with what happened to Caylee.
Except that had he been involved in her life this may not have happened.
IMO

[Virgo]

Yes, I know this can be done. I have read about such cases in the past. One was where a missing woman was found in a creek after three years. She had been weighted down and was bound with duct tape around her ankles and hands. They were able to retrieve the fingerprints off of the duct tape and arrested her killer. I wish now I had remembered her name but I am sorry I just cant think of it.

Also there was a case out of Florida not too long ago where a guy tossed a woman's body in a waterway and they found fibers on the duct tape and I believe animal hairs that connected him to her murder. She was also bound and gagged with duct tape and was missing for months when found.

imoo

Thank you. I pray that will be the nail in Casey's coffin.

[kitty1182]

Didn't the ME already determine No Cause of Death can be determined? Yet.. wishing for there to have been duct tape with flesh attached, when clearly there wasn't, is in my opinion sick and disturbing.

This is why we are here, to discuss things about this case..If it offends you so much, don't read it..It's that simple...

[cathiesblogs]

Is that the Eric James Baker that Casey had on one of her blogs that said 12/8/83 - 8/11/07 ???

Yes !!..and rumour has it that Casey did the collage of Caylee, Eric and herself..this would make sense to me that he would be the dad..if casey really did this collage !!...Casey could have gotten a check for Caylee had she tryed..then perhaps she could have went to on to school..but I guess it was easier for her to take her mom's money ..not work..etc...

[Dunlurken]

I don't think they need caylee's little remains to do any more testing. They have saved samoples, x-rays, photographs, etc, as they do in all autopsies.

although it is my belief that Caylee has been at peace since the moment of her death, I hope her earthly body can be put to rest soon.

I'm with you. She's at rest now. :rose:

[KKKKKKatie]

I have a better idea. I'll just go back to bed. See ya.


Have a good one :seeya:

[Amy]

I think it could be introduced to show her state of mind during the time Caylee was missing. I see no difference in those actions than her partying actions as far as to how she was feeling (Happy, Happy, Happy). They might not bring up the fact that she was using a stolen credit card, tho. Don't know how they could handle her forging the checks. JMO

I didn't understand it @ the time, and still don't, but I do remember that the other charges weren't to be dealt with BEFORE the trial, but it seemed that they WERE going to be incorporated somehow in the murder trial.

I remember the discussion @ the time included the fact that it was really in Casey's best interest to not be convicted of the other charges first, because they could not be used as mitigating factors in the sentencing--as per prior criminal record. Or, do I mean aggravating factors? :shrug:

[cajunmoon]

Had he been charged at the time of the funeral? If so, did he get bail? KC has been charged and has not been allowed bail. JMO
I don't know. All I clearly remember about that case was the sensationalized parts like the video of the chase and the attorneys rhyming courtroom antics.

I do remember seeing video of him actually attending the funeral. It infuriated my parents! I am sure that the idea of casey attending Caylee's funeral will infuriate all of the people that put their lives on the line searching for her and most of all, investing spiritually and emotionally to caylee and the Anthonys.

This is just my iopinion, though.

[JD1974]

That isn't quiet what I mean. What I mean is that. IF the LE established a paternity, would they have to follow the law and release the body to the father instead of what they are saying. That Casey has to release the body to the family? They never said that either Casey or the real father (not mentioning his name) would have to sign over the body. It was as though they didnt' know, so therefore Casey was the only one mentioned, that would need to sign the body over.


No, because legally Casey or the father would be the ones who would have to file a paternity suit, I believe that legally they are the only ones who can file any kind of paternity suit. DNA testing was only done (if it was) to get a DNA sample to compare if they found her body. The legal father would have no rights unless he asked for them and was granted them from a judge.

I am not a lawyer, I am just basing this on what I have seen my sister go through, sometimes it is a legal nightmare.


Another reason DNA testing can be ordered without either parent asking is if the court think incest or rape took place.

[penguin01]

What role will forensics play?
(the when & who elements)
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=8113907
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8113788&version=1&locale=EN-US

Careful now - you are offending happytroll's tender sensibilities. No forensics allowed.

[*MoonRider*]

CF13 News Video

Corrections Dept on Baez Comments
(Allen Moore's Baez response, ask court to deny funeral release)
http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=000UOXZxMooreReax_1220200809 41&cat=CAC&title=Corrections%20Dept.%20On%20Baez%20Comments

This is what they are responding to. Baez whining because he was not the one to tell the OC that her daughter was identified. Duh, like she didn't already know.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8110902&version=1&locale=EN-US

[Amy]

That person is an employee of the ALF where the GGP was living. JMO

That was MO, too.

[WillowInFlight]

I'm with you. She's at rest now. :rose:

She may be at rest but she is far from at peace, that'll happen when her killer is convicted. IMO

[cathiesblogs]

Since I am convinced that Casey does not know who the father is why should the LE need to know.
The story about the father dying in accident is just a falsehood to lesson the fact that Caylee was the result of a one night stand.
I don't see what it has to do with what happened to Caylee.
Except that had he been involved in her life this may not have happened.
IMO

Honestly..there are so many horrible accusations out there..to who could be little Caylee's dad that I want to honor her life by showing that it could be ...hummmm not her Uncle Lee !!...you know what I mean?..just so sad that so many people think that Lee could have been this child's dad !!...I think it should be told who the real biological dad is..they have the DNA of Caylee..it could be proved if needed be..but I know that it is to late for little Caylee now...only her memory and the legacy that he has left here !!...

[kitty1182]

This is what they are responding to. Baez whining because he was not the one to tell the OC that her daughter was identified. Duh, like she didn't already know.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8110902&version=1&locale=EN-US

I can't believe he is really a lawyer.....:rolleyes:

[SavannahStar]

In my state, you can put the father's name on the birth certificate, but not give the baby his last name. Each state may be different.


That, to me, is odd. And different in the state I was talking about.

If that's the case, who's to stop anyone from putting down "Barack Obama" as the father of their child. :biggrin:

I think it's better where the law states the father must give permission or that it be proven through paternity testing.

[JD1974]

There is no legal basis, you are correct.

And I know that a father can only be stated on birth birth cert if 1) the parents are married, OR 2) paternity has been established through testing; OR 3) the father (if unmarried to the mother) gives his permission.

That leads me to believe the father did not want to be involved from the get-go.

I really have no sympathy for Caylee's father, or any curiosity as to who it is.


That is correct, but just because the father is not on the bc doesn't mean he doesn't have rights. As I said most paternity tests are run after the baby is born, the BC is already signed and some people don't bother changing it because then you have to change ss cards, bc, etc. The father still would have the same rights though, even though he is not named on the BC

[AJandTam]

considering the way the Anthonys have behaved, if this man had any idea that he was the father, I am sure he ran like the wind!

If he knew before caylee's death. I am sure he was horrified and quite possibly scared away by them. If one doesn't have a lot of support (and maybe protection) those people come off as scary!

This is just my opinion of the father, whoever he may be.

I just wanted to know IF LE knew and could have proven it w/paternity test if they would have had to have either his signature or Casey's to turn over the body. As that would be legal issue. Not sure if LE establishing paternity w/thier test would have established his legal rights or not. It was a legal question based on the fact that yesterday in the PC, they only said Casey had to sign over the body. That had me concluding that LE never established the paternity and that now it would go down as unknown. Many of the posters here have been wondering about this for a long time. IF what I am concluding is correct, then we can bury this issue.

[Dunlurken]

No, because legally Casey or the father would be the ones who would have to file a paternity suit, I believe that legally they are the only ones who can file any kind of paternity suit. DNA testing was only done (if it was) to get a DNA sample to compare if they found her body. The legal father would have no rights unless he asked for them and was granted them from a judge.

I am not a lawyer, I am just basing this on what I have seen my sister go through, sometimes it is a legal nightmare.

Here are our options. Exhume the body of the supposed father killed in the motorcycle accident if we want to know the father's true identify. Otherwise, let's put this to rest. We will never know the identity of Caylee's dad. I doubt Casey does either. JMO.

[*MoonRider*]

Yes !!..and rumour has it that Casey did the collage of Caylee, Eric and herself..this would make sense to me that he would be the dad..if casey really did this collage !!...Casey could have gotten a check for Caylee had she tryed..then perhaps she could have went to on to school..but I guess it was easier for her to take her mom's money ..not work..etc...

IIRC In a police interview Cindy said that the father set up a trust for Caylee. If Cindy said it that means if must be true. :rolleyes:

[psbperu]

Didn't the ME already determine No Cause of Death can be determined? Yet.. wishing for there to have been duct tape with flesh attached, when clearly there wasn't, is in my opinion sick and disturbing.


Been around for a long, long time & I don't find anything "sick or disturbing" about such a wish. It's merely about wishing that there was more for the medical examiner to work with particularly in any kind of testing.

Nothing unusual about discussion of this sort.

JMHO

[Barbara fl.]

Does anyone know if they can get fingerprints off of duct tape even though the body was in water?


Yes...That question was asked last evening on one of the shows, I don't remember which one...and a expert answered that duct tape will hold finger prints even when submerged in water....

[playnice]

This is what they are responding to. Baez whining because he was not the one to tell the OC that her daughter was identified. Duh, like she didn't already know.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8110902&version=1&locale=EN-US

I bet she was stonic yesterday when she got the news. She already flipped when the body was discovered because she knew she was busted. She knew what the id would be so no reason to flip out again. She doesnt have time to sit there and cry because she has a defense to work on.

[kitty1182]

That, to me, is odd. And different in the state I was talking about.

If that's the case, who's to stop anyone from putting down "Barack Obama" as the father of their child. :biggrin:

I think it's better where the law states the father must give permission or that it be proven through paternity testing.

You don't have to put it on here in N.C.
My DIL's sister had a baby, no Father's name was put on the BC..

[SavannahStar]

She may be at rest but she is far from at peace, that'll happen when her killer is convicted. IMO

In my opinion, that doesn't matter to little Caylee now. She is in heaven, where "every tear shall be wiped away." She is definitely at peace and with our Lord.

Sorry for getting into "religion"......I do believe all our cares are gone when in heaven.

[kitty1182]

In my opinion, that doesn't matter to little Caylee now. She is in heaven, where "every tear shall be wiped away." She is definitely at peace and with our Lord.

Sorry for getting into "religion"......I do believe all our cares are gone when in heaven.

I believe the same! :rose:

[SavannahStar]

You don't have to put it on here in N.C.
My DIL's sister had a baby, no Father's name was put on the BC..

Oh yeh, exactly. That's what I meant. No name needs to be put down. Did you see my other post where I listed the three criteria? If there is not any of those three, no name can be listed. And I think......if paternity IS proven, and the mother chose not to list the father, then of course the father can get his name put on through court order.

[Barbara fl.]

IIRC In a police interview Cindy said that the father set up a trust for Caylee. If Cindy said it that means if must be true. :rolleyes:


I heard that also...but don't believe anything coming from that family...My honest opinion is that Casey don't even know who the father is....she was probably waiting to see who Caylee looked like and then trying to decide.....She first told Jesse that he was the father...and he became attached to Caylee for about a year before finding out that he was NOT the father....

Casey doesn't care who she hurts....Casey is all about Casey....

[Dunlurken]

In my opinion, that doesn't matter to little Caylee now. She is in heaven, where "every tear shall be wiped away." She is definitely at peace and with our Lord.

Sorry for getting into "religion"......I do believe all our cares are gone when in heaven.

That was a very nice post. Thank you. She's been in heaven for a long, long time. JMO.

[AJandTam]

Since I am convinced that Casey does not know who the father is why should the LE need to know.
The story about the father dying in accident is just a falsehood to lesson the fact that Caylee was the result of a one night stand.
I don't see what it has to do with what happened to Caylee.
Except that had he been involved in her life this may not have happened.
IMO

I thought the LE might persue this as this was reported as a kidnapping case, and even if there was only a slight chance that the paternal father could have had anything to do w/the kidnapping, that they would have to persue this angle in order to rule it out. Reason being is that so many cases of child abduction, involve one parent stealing a child from another parent.

[kitty1182]

Oh yeh, exactly. That's what I meant. No name needs to be put down. Did you see my other post where I listed the three criteria? If there is not any of those three, no name can be listed. And I think......if paternity IS proven, and the mother chose not to list the father, then of course the father can get his name put on through court order.

It's a shame JG wasn't the Father..:sad:

[cajunmoon]

I just wanted to know IF LE knew and could have proven it w/paternity test if they would have had to have either his signature or Casey's to turn over the body. As that would be legal issue. Not sure if LE establishing paternity w/thier test would have established his legal rights or not. It was a legal question based on the fact that yesterday in the PC, they only said Casey had to sign over the body. That had me concluding that LE never established the paternity and that now it would go down as unknown. Many of the posters here have been wondering about this for a long time. IF what I am concluding is correct, then we can bury this issue.

It is my understanding that he has no legal rights, as he had no legal standing during her life. I could be wrong, and would like to see FLs specific law on this.

[cathiesblogs]

I don't think they'll ever accept that their daughter did this. Or admit it publically.

I don't think they will ever admit it publically...but they do know in their heart that Casey did this !!!

[september]

This is what they are responding to. Baez whining because he was not the one to tell the OC that her daughter was identified. Duh, like she didn't already know.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8110902&version=1&locale=EN-US

You missed the real reason......he wanted to get his arms around Casey again. Justification for breaking jail policy about touching.

[JD1974]

Here are our options. Exhume the body of the supposed father killed in the motorcycle accident if we want to know the father's true identify. Otherwise, let's put this to rest. We will never know the identity of Caylee's dad. I doubt Casey does either. JMO.



I have stated that I don't think it is the publics business, I am just talking about the law about next of kin as I know it when paternity hasn't been established in court.

[?noanswer]

I do believe now that this is the biological father of Caylee..I did a little undercover search and found a collage that was done awhile back...Caylee looks just like this guy Eric !!!
http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq76/Justicewanted/Caylee-Erik-Collage.jpg

I read that this collage was done by Casey herself awhile back..any one have any knowledge of this?..thanks..

Which one is Eric? I wonder if that is a collage of all the men she slept with before Caylee was born!!! JMO

[kitty1182]

You missed the real reason......he wanted to get his arms around Casey again. Justification for breaking jail policy about touching.

That was what I was thinking too..:wink:

[courtsinsession]

I heard that also...but don't believe anything coming from that family...My honest opinion is that Casey don't even know who the father is....she was probably waiting to see who Caylee looked like and then trying to decide.....She first told Jesse that he was the father...and he became attached to Caylee for about a year before finding out that he was NOT the father....

Casey doesn't care who she hurts....Casey is all about Casey....

good for Jessee; at least he wasn't blinded by love and got a paternity test and found out (gasp), that Casey lied about him being the dad- he still wanted to marry her though and be a father to Casey---

[Dunlurken]

I thought the LE might persue this as this was reported as a kidnapping case, and even if there was only a slight chance that the paternal father could have had anything to do w/the kidnapping, that they would have to persue this angle in order to rule it out. Reason being is that so many cases of child abduction, involve one parent stealing a child from another parent.

I think the evidence will prove the father did not kidnap Caylee. It was a long shot way back when, but no longer the case. JMO.

[?noanswer]

Why is he so dumb? You would think a defense attorney, especially at this point, would say take a plea. You ain't going to walk. No way, no how.

But then he would not get any more face time!!!! JMO

[AJandTam]

No, because legally Casey or the father would be the ones who would have to file a paternity suit, I believe that legally they are the only ones who can file any kind of paternity suit. DNA testing was only done (if it was) to get a DNA sample to compare if they found her body. The legal father would have no rights unless he asked for them and was granted them from a judge.

I am not a lawyer, I am just basing this on what I have seen my sister go through, sometimes it is a legal nightmare.


Another reason DNA testing can be ordered without either parent asking is if the court think incest or rape took place.

I am not a lawyer either. I was just wondering how that would work. Thank you for answering.

[courtsinsession]

You missed the real reason......he wanted to get his arms around Casey again. Justification for breaking jail policy about touching.

ya got that right; any reason to "comfort" Casey - not a pretty visual

[Dunlurken]

I have stated that I don't think it is the publics business, I am just talking about the law about next of kin as I know it when paternity hasn't been established in court.

Next of kin is Casey. The Mom, the allegeded murder. JMO.

[Amy]

That's possible....but I really don't see Baez letting her accept a plea. I don't think Casey herself will accept a plea. There was a time very early on in this when I believe Casey would have actually admitted what happened but Baez put the brakes on for whatever his reasoning was.

Maybe because, if she confessed or accepted a plea in, say, August or whenever the deal was offered, his "high profile" case would have been over before it started?

[cathiesblogs]

They have the technology now to test the "next of kin" for paternity..so if Eric's parents really wanted to know..they could do it..I really just don't want the wrong info about little Caylee's dad to be next to the legacy that she leaves..you know many people tryed to say it was Lee..that is why I wish that her biological dad would be noted too..gosh..it seemed that every thing else was public knowledge ..so why not the paternity of little Caylee!!!!!!!!!!!

[cajunmoon]

I don't think they will ever admit it publically...but they do know in their heart that Casey did this !!!

I truly believe that they knew the minute they smelled the car.

I try hard not to judge them because who knows what casey may have on them to keep them so loyal.

This is just my opinion, though.

[AJandTam]

I heard that also...but don't believe anything coming from that family...My honest opinion is that Casey don't even know who the father is....she was probably waiting to see who Caylee looked like and then trying to decide.....She first told Jesse that he was the father...and he became attached to Caylee for about a year before finding out that he was NOT the father....

Casey doesn't care who she hurts....Casey is all about Casey....

:thumbsup: on that one. She most certainly is.

[JD1974]

You don't have to put it on here in N.C.
My DIL's sister had a baby, no Father's name was put on the BC..



You don't have to put a fathers name on any bc in any state that I have ever heard about. One thing though in some states if you are married, even if the husband isn't the father of your child he will be put on the bc. That was the law in Indiana, strange as it may be, some states will not let you get a divorce if you are pregnant.

[Remy]

I'm sorry but I strongly disagree with everyone here on this because everyone here would and should be innocent until proven guilty.

I respectfully disagree with the statement based on semantics. If everyone was innocent until proven guilty everyone would be released pending trial.

Obviously, the state has evidence that she is guilty or she wouldn't have been charged in the first place.

The presumption of innocence is for the courtroom until that time she is presumed guilty by the state hence why she is in jail charged with 1st degree murder, before a body was even found, and denied bail. moo

[WillowInFlight]

It's a shame JG wasn't the Father..:sad:

ITA, Caylee might still be alive if that was the case.

[AJandTam]

It is my understanding that he has no legal rights, as he had no legal standing during her life. I could be wrong, and would like to see FLs specific law on this.

I don't know either, it's a complicated legal issue. Katprint has provided alot of legal information. I thought she might be reading and know the answer or someone else w/a legal background.

[SavannahStar]

It is my understanding that he has no legal rights, as he had no legal standing during her life. I could be wrong, and would like to see FLs specific law on this.

I don't know the specific FL law but it's only common sense that if his paternity is not PROVEN, then he has no legal rights. Then or now. Nor should he, IMO. If he wants or wanted any rights, he can go to court for paternity testing.

It's all moot, IF he is out there, he didn't care then and he doesn't care now.

[Amy]

I do believe now that this is the biological father of Caylee..I did a little undercover search and found a collage that was done awhile back...Caylee looks just like this guy Eric !!!
http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq76/Justicewanted/Caylee-Erik-Collage.jpg

I read that this collage was done by Casey herself awhile back..any one have any knowledge of this?..thanks..

I still think Caylee is the spitting image of Cindy. I guess it would depend on whether or not Casey and Eric even knew each other during the time Caylee would have been conceived.

[SavannahStar]

I don't know either, it's a complicated legal issue. Katprint has provided alot of legal information. I thought she might be reading and know the answer or someone else w/a legal background.

Actually paternity laws are not that complicated, Tam.

[cathiesblogs]

Thanks for posting that. She did look a lot like him. Where did that come from? Was it something from inside the Anthony home? curious.

Although as others have said it doesn't matter now. I think it's not a good idea for a child not to know who both their parents are. It's a trend and a very destructive one to our society. There's going to be a lot of mad young adults in our future in this country.

Cindy Anthony knew who her Father was but she decided Caylee didn't deserve that same courtesy.

I feel just like you do !...actually I got this off of a web site that had all of the documents and pictures found on her PC..I will try to find exactly where this originated..she does look so much like him !!

[Barbara fl.]

That, to me, is odd. And different in the state I was talking about.

If that's the case, who's to stop anyone from putting down "Barack Obama" as the father of their child. :biggrin:

I think it's better where the law states the father must give permission or that it be proven through paternity testing.


I never heard that you can put a fathers name down on any birth certificate.....You can give the child any name you care to, even if it is the name of the father....But where it say's "fathers name" it will remain blank.....

The father, if not married to the mother, would have to go to court and establish paternity....and even then his name wont be on the BC...unless the mother approves of it...

At the hospital, when the child is born, the BC can be filled out by both mother and father and the father's name will then go on the BC...However, he will not be considered the legal father unless he goes to court and states in front of a judge that he is infact the father....

Trust me on this...I went thru it a few times with my son....he is now in the process of having his son's name changed to his seeing as he has been awarded custody....but it is not an easy process...

[Dunlurken]

They have the technology now to test the "next of kin" for paternity..so if Eric's parents really wanted to know..they could do it..I really just don't want the wrong info about little Caylee's dad to be next to the legacy that she leaves..you know many people tryed to say it was Lee..that is why I wish that her biological dad would be noted too..gosh..it seemed that every thing else was public knowledge ..so why not the paternity of little Caylee!!!!!!!!!!!

Can they test every man in the Orlando area to determine who the dad is? I think not. If Eric wants to come forward and say he thinks he's the dad, more power to him. At this point, he hasn't come forward. And his parents have no say in this. JMO.

[JD1974]

It is my understanding that he has no legal rights, as he had no legal standing during her life. I could be wrong, and would like to see FLs specific law on this.



He would have to go get paternity established in court if he wanted legal standing, I believe you can even after death. Although you may have to show cause as to why now, why after the child is dead, he could use the he didn't know and now wants to make sure since she wasn't taken care of properly in life, he wants to make sure she is treated properly in death. In this case it may be possible...

[AJandTam]

I think the evidence will prove the father did not kidnap Caylee. It was a long shot way back when, but no longer the case. JMO.

Oh Dunny. I know that. I was talking about IF LE had to investigate it as part of the standard operating procedure during an investigation like this. I don't think anyone even from the begining thought this was a real kidnapping. JMO.

[kitty1182]

ITA, Caylee might still be alive if that was the case.

I know.....:mellow:

[cajunmoon]

I don't know the specific FL law but it's only common sense that if his paternity is not PROVEN, then he has no legal rights. Then or now. Nor should he, IMO. If he wants or wanted any rights, he can go to court for paternity testing.

It's all moot, IF he is out there, he didn't care then and he doesn't care now.
Or more than likely was scared off by the anthonys.

They don't share very well, IMO.

[cathiesblogs]

Or more than likely was scared off by the anthonys.

They don't share very well, IMO.
I totally agree with you !!!!

[kitty1182]

She's with her Father now..:rose:

[Barbara fl.]

I feel just like you do !...actually I got this off of a web site that had all of the documents and pictures found on her PC..I will try to find exactly where this originated..she does look so much like him !!


They seem to have the same nose also....but it is always hard to tell...children's features can change as growing up.....and sometimes they look alike.....only a test can confirm it....

If Casey knew who the father was and was trying to convince Jesse that he was the father....this woman was a menace from day one....I don't think she knew how to tell the truth....she was living in a fantasy world....

[kate482000]

MSNBC is re running the dateline show about Caylee now at noon.....

[Dunlurken]

At the hospital, when the child is born, the BC can be filled out by both mother and father and the father's name will then go on the BC...



What if the father is overseas as a marine in the Iraq war. Both parents don't need to be there to sign the birth certificate, but it does help. And you can put any dad's name on the BC you want to. But a parternity test will have to prove it, if there is any question.

Snipped to address.

Why are we discussing this?

[WillowInFlight]

Can they test every man in the Orlando area to determine who the dad is? I think not. If Eric wants to come forward and say he thinks he's the dad, more power to him. At this point, he hasn't come forward. And his parents have no say in this. JMO.

Well they sure tested every man in Christa Worthingtons town trying to figure out who killed her, grant it, the town wasn't as big as Orlando, but it is possible. I just think this is a moot issue with LE.

[VII]

...snip...
either his signature or Casey's to turn over the body. As that would be legal issue.
...snip....
yesterday in the PC, they only said Casey had to sign over the body. That had me concluding that LE never established the paternity and that now it would go down as unknown. Many of the posters here have been wondering about this for a long time. IF what I am concluding is correct, then we can bury this issue.

Legally, LE would only require her signature as she was the "custodial parent" whether or not paternity had been established?
IF they were/are able to establish paternity, then they could release to him and he be held responsible for
burying a child he never took interest in, for whatever reason, unless he is deceased.

Wonder what Casey will do?
Release to her parents?
Wonder if the family has any inclination to go see her NOW?
I can say "I'd be beating the doors down to get into SEE her" easily enuff
butt
if she were my child, who killed my granddaughter ..
I can't say that I'd be able to stomach it.

[AJandTam]

Actually paternity laws are not that complicated, Tam.

Oh Thanks Savannah.. :tonguewag: are you LOL'ing at me this morning. I just have questions. Seems every case, I learn a little something about laws. This one i'll learn about paternity in a case like this.. I'm learning.. don't you go making fun of me..

[?noanswer]

I do have curiousity as to who the father is. We will probably never know though. Even the "real" father might know that it's him. JMO.

I doubt the father knows. If KC was as promiscuous at that time as she was just before and right after she killed Caylee, I doubt if KC even knows.

If I knew I was the father, I would not come forward at this time. Just imagine how many legal expenses one would have if they got involved in this. The only thing it would accomplish is that he might get control of the remains, but then he would probably have to pay for all funeral expenses. I doubt the trust fund, if any, would be given to him.

Getting involved at this time could mess up his life as it is now.


JMO

[Motomom]

I still think Caylee is the spitting image of Cindy. I guess it would depend on whether or not Casey and Eric even knew each other during the time Caylee would have been conceived.

I think she looked just like cindy too.. More like Cindy than Casey.

I don't think it matters now who her father is. If I was the father, I think I'd almost rather not know at this point. What is left? Nothing, just another family to go through pain over loss, when they were never given the chance to experience love? IDK. JMO

[Dunlurken]

Well they sure tested every man in Christa Worthingtons town trying to figure out who killed her, grant it, the town wasn't as big as Orlando, but it is possible. I just think this is a moot issue with LE.

Let's not go there. LOL. That case is still stuck in my head. :mad:

[Amy]

I thought I heard Cindy Anthony say that Caylee's father was dead. I think it was on Larry King.

Well, that was the story. Of course, I have a little trouble w/the part about how where Cindy had "seen" the obit, but yet, claims to not remember the name? Now, I can see in a lot of cases, where one might not remember the name on the obit, but, come on!!!! This was supposedly the father of her granddaughter, and the name wasn't imprinted in her memory?

[Remy]

Okey doke then:

Let's take a looka (http://www.lukalaw.com/)

There was a rumor that Lee was charged with a DUI a few years back so maybe this is the same lawyer he used then.

I wonder if he retained him a while back and they just announced it yesterday.

[spiritwolf46]

What role will forensics play?
(the when & who elements)
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=8113907
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8113788&version=1&locale=EN-US


Morning all,

Just popping in for a moment to see what is happening. I have read the articles above and to think that bugs or maggots were feeding off this little baby is something that I truly hate, but it is part of this case and with a lot of hope, they may be able to bring some very important information to this case and I pray that they do.

I also pray that Casey is not allowed to go to her funeral. Not only does she not deserve to be there, but it will become, yet, another circus. Not that it won't be with this case anyway, but with her there, it would be worse and someone may want to harm Casey (like me) and it would not be fair to Caylee.

May that little one now, finally, rest comfortably in peace. :rose:

[VII]

I doubt the father knows. If KC was as promiscuous at that time as she was just before and right after she killed Caylee, I doubt if KC even knows.

If I knew I was the father, I would not come forward at this time. Just imagine how many legal expenses one would have if they got involved in this. The only thing it would accomplish is that he might get control of the remains, but then he would probably have to pay for all funeral expenses. I doubt the trust fund, if any, would be given to him.

Getting involved at this time could mess up his life as it is now.
JMO


I dunno?
He could get one of those fancy-smancy ~pro bono~ high profile attorneys, set a precent case in the cause of paternity ...
and
profit from the interviews and etc...

If he is alive, and had been any kind of *man* a'tall, he'd have been taking care of his child. At least financially.

[Dunlurken]

Getting involved at this time could mess up his life as it is now.


JMO


snipping to address: Unless he wants to write a book. He could make millions. Let's see if we can dig him out of the woodwork. Inquiring minds need to know. JMO.

[smileyjoe]

Oh Thanks Savannah.. :tonguewag: are you LOL'ing at me this morning. I just have questions. Seems every case, I learn a little something about laws. This one i'll learn about paternity in a case like this.. I'm learning.. don't you go making fun of me..

Warm yet?

You are not alone, I think we all learn more with every case.

I asked yesterday, not sure if I go an answer. Is it true that Lee Anthony hired a criminal attorney too?


Joe.

[JD1974]

Next of kin is Casey. The Mom, the allegeded murder. JMO.


Oh I know, I was meaning IF the father wanted to come forward and establish parental rights, he would have just as much say as her.

[AJandTam]

Legally, LE would only require her signature as she was the "custodial parent" whether or not paternity had been established?
IF they were/are able to establish paternity, then they could release to him and he be held responsible for
burying a child he never took interest in, for whatever reason, unless he is deceased.

Wonder what Casey will do?
Release to her parents?
Wonder if the family has any inclination to go see her NOW?
I can say "I'd be beating the doors down to get into SEE her" easily enuff
butt
if she were my child, who killed my granddaughter ..
I can't say that I'd be able to stomach it.

Thank you VII. That's a good answer to my questions. I appreciate the time you took to answer me. I just wanted to know how that would work. What you said makes sense to me.

I don't know. As some think that Casey killed Caylee so that Cindy could not get custody. Now we have the ultimate irony if this is why she did it, because now in the end she will have to sign over Caylee's body to Cindy. . Will be interesting to see what she does.

My cousin called me last night and said she saw Cindy at a vigil or something and she was taking this news pretty hard. I have not heard that they have went to see Casey yet, but Lee was w/his parents yesterday.

[?noanswer]

Is that the Eric James Baker that Casey had on one of her blogs that said 12/8/83 - 8/11/07 ???


I think it was on her computer. I think it is something she made up. It was not something that was official. I don't think anyone has ever been able to find that person thru searching the internet. JMO