Friday, Dec 19, AFTERNOON/EVENING, Part 3

[velvetbrown]

I'm so relieved they've finally found that poor sweet baby. I knew it was Caylee all along, but having it confirmed was as bad as when she was first 'missing. I'll never understand how a mother could such a thing...there's a special place in Hell for you Casey Anthony....

[FrankieBones1]

I'm sorry, I just don't see how it would be possible for the book to have been in the same bag as Caylee and not be destroyed.....just think about what else was going on in that bag. How would a product primarily made of paper (even plastic coated pressed paper) survive?I remember this very subject being discussed here last night. Someone thought that maybe the book was under Caylee's body for some time.

[dmh]

I'm sorry...but ng's timing regarding her present from the twins ,is in my opinion...bad taste.

[Dtviewer3]

Don't they have a piece that they weren't saying was Caylee's at first. Weren't they saying it was from Casey or Caylee and that this hair had a death band on it. Doesn't anyone remember that? How is that circumstantial?

Especially now since they found the body.


That would be considered 'circumstantial evidence'.
(Even DNA or blood is circumstantial evidence.)

The only direct evidence is an eyewitness or a confession.

Thats why it is so funny when a defense attorney screams 'their entire case is circumstantial', in some way implying the evidence isnt valid.
Truth of the matter, very very few murder cases ever have direct evidence.
Also, eyewitnesses are not always very reliable.

[chrissybot]

just had a random thought while watching nancy. If the a's found out approx 1:30 today & casey found out approx 1:45, not that the times matter but, if the a's thought their daughter was innocent, wouldn't they have wanted to rush to the jail to be with her when she found out or to just console her??

[legalmania]

Was it even verified that this picture is of a book?
Much less that book?

This started with a book and now its part of a book so were just trying to figure it all out.

[SandyO]

Hi Mallory Cat

I nmow it's weird, and although I believe that the bags spotted in the three tips were not the bag containing the remains, I do wonder about this:
If the meter-reader called in three times, why didn't he draw suspiscion being the same person calling in that many times in as many days? (Snipped for space)

IMO

Around the time of the meter-readers calls LE was getting hundreds of tips per day ---- it would have taken a force twice the size of the existing force to fully explore each and every phoned-in tip.

[joolz]

He states that he is Jewish from the waist up and Puerto Rican from the waist down!!!:cursing:

Well modesty is not his strong suit. Come to think of it, neither is accuracy. :ohmy:

[CNTM]

Was it even verified that this picture is of a book?
Much less that book?

It must have been or I would not have thought about it being her book. I believe it was mentioned the the first thread this morning. Or the end of the last thread yesterday.

[stef]

Casey Anthony Pastor visit 12/19
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/12/19/081219.1445.offical.visitor.log.pdf

I thought Baez said Jose Garcia was at the jail today????

[MalloryCat]

just had a random thought while watching nancy. If the a's found out approx 1:30 today & casey found out approx 1:45, not that the times matter but, if the a's thought their daughter was innocent, wouldn't they have wanted to rush to the jail to be with her when she found out or to just console her??

I think they are DONE with Casey.

[cajunmoon]

Kronc has never been a suspect and never will be one. Why dont these people who appear on NG show learn that? LE said he was not a suspect and now alot of people are fingering him as one. If i have learned anything about the aspects of criminal justice system is never trust a defense attorney. They will do everything in their power to make sure these monsters get back into public. They dont care for the safety of the public.Until they or one of theirs is a victim, that is.

geraldo and Janie need to find something else to do besides raise our collective blood pressures!

[Maelstrom5]

Nature vs nurture is an on-going scientific debate about many, many things. JMO


Hi,

You are correct. I asked this question because I was interested in the average persons responce. For those intersted in a more in-depth debate:
www.bbsonline.org/Preprints/OldArchive/bbs.mealey.html

[MichelleP]

That would be considered 'circumstantial evidence'.
(Even DNA or blood is circumstantial evidence.)

The only direct evidence is an eyewitness or a confession.

Thats why it is so funny when a defense attorney screams 'their entire case is circumstantial', in some way implying the evidence isnt valid.
Truth of the matter, very very few murder cases ever have direct evidence.
Also, eyewitnesses are not always very reliable.

I never knew that. I think when it's all over she's going to be found guilty.

[FrankieBones1]

Nancy is finally calling Lenny Padilla out on his crazy theory that it was accidental (chloroform).

[Neffy]

There is no proof there was duct tape around the head.

ME, LE or FBI were not there to discuss evidence and stated so. That we'll be brought out at trial. The closest thing that she'd said was that this was a HOMICIDE due to the evidence.

[cajunmoon]

I think they are DONE with Casey.

I would think that they would be going to see about the great grandfather in the nursing home. This has to be hardest on him.

Did they ever leave during all of this?

we wouldn't know because I'm sure that all of us were watching the PC. I doubt they did, though.

[FrankieBones1]

It still has not been confirmed that there was a bathing suit in the bag with Caylee's remains.

[Dtviewer3]

I never knew that. I think when it's all over she's going to be found guilty.


100% agreed.

[101Spots]

Casey Anthony Pastor visit 12/19
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/12/19/081219.1445.offical.visitor.log.pdf

Mr. Baez is quite the night owl, isn't he? My attorney has never visited me at 10:30 PM.

[gaelicpeas]

What do you think the cement type things are on pictures 23 & 24? (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orl-caylee-anthony-crime-scene-photos-121808,0,2942358.photogallery)no clue... they look sort of like cement blocks.

[MalloryCat]

ME, LE or FBI were not there to discuss evidence and stated so. That we'll be brought out at trial. The closest thing that she'd said was that this was a HOMICIDE due to the evidence.

And I am sure that evidence has a lot to do with the fact that she was in a bag, and tossed in the woods, and not much more, nothing to do with duct tape.

jmo

[Ladyhawk]

I remember this very subject being discussed here last night. Someone thought that maybe the book was under Caylee's body for some time.

Under the body outside of the bag or under the body inside the bag? If it was under the body inside the bag, seems like there would be decomp all over the book.

[gaelicpeas]

I wonder if there is a chance we will be told any more about the book before the trial or if it will be kept quiet until then?I don't know... but I just went upstairs to check my children's books, and they all have paper pages. Arggggh. So I guess I will go shopping tomorrow.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I thought Baez said Jose Garcia was at the jail today????

Good catch. IIRC JB did make that claim.
jmo

Baez Request for Second Autopsy (dated 12/15)
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/12/16/continuing.request.for.second.autopsy.pdf

[kellabeck]

It does not look so good for the prosecution to tell you the truth. They can't seem to find cause of death. She is charged with first degree murder. I don't see how they can give her the death penalty now. I'm not even sure the first degree will stick if they can't find the cause of death. Factor in the weird meter man...and the growing idea that LE was not doing their job correctly earlier. Don't like what I see....


girlspell, they don't need a cause of death to get a conviction for murder. As it has been pointed out repeatedly, there was no COD for Laci and Conner Peterson and yet their killer sits on death row.

They are not seeking the DP in this case, so that's not at issue.

The defense can use the meter reader and of course they will claim sloppy police work, they always do. It seldom works. And it certainly won't for such a loathesome defendant.

[penguin01]

The fact that the child's head was completely bound with duct tape shows murder. And might (depending on what the other evidence is) help support the arguement for First Degree. The duct tape being used to bind the baby's head also disproves an arguement for "accidental death" or death caused by negligence. It shows intent. This coupled with the internet searches for homemade chloroform recipes and Casey's actions following the murder would be enough to support a first degree murder charge. If she goes to a jury trial she will likely be convicted for first degree. If she goes to a trial by judge, she may get second degree.

I don't think the child walked out into the woods and crawled into a bag and died. Hence murder.
Why are some posters thinking the meter reader is weird and supect? He is an ex-serviceman and LE as well as those who know him find him a credible, concerned citizen. Boy oh boy I would have to think twice about ever reporting anything. People jump all over you and suspect you and call you names for no reason.

[gaelicpeas]

Yes it does look like they are laminated I have some her that are like that for my grandson so he cant tear them up they are thick like wood with a slick covering when you spill anything on them they wipe right offMaybe you could do the experiment and save me a trip to the store?

[achristie]

Any more statements from the parents? Any stirrings at the house? Has the brother made a showing? No visits or phonecalls with the inmate? Just asking. Very difficult to keep up with the boards.

[FrankieBones1]

Under the body outside of the bag or under the body inside the bag? If it was under the body inside the bag, seems like there would be decomp all over the book.Inside the bag, yes. And yes, there would have been cadaverine on the book.

[CNTM]

I don't know... but I just went upstairs to check my children's books, and they all have paper pages. Arggggh. So I guess I will go shopping tomorrow.

Try a thrift store. Much cheaper for a book to drench!

[legalmania]

just had a random thought while watching nancy. If the a's found out approx 1:30 today & casey found out approx 1:45, not that the times matter but, if the a's thought their daughter was innocent, wouldn't they have wanted to rush to the jail to be with her when she found out or to just console her??

I think the lawyers want them seperate for now.

[MoonFlwr]

girlspell, they don't need a cause of death to get a conviction for murder. As it has been pointed out repeatedly, there was no COD for Laci and Conner Peterson and yet their killer sits on death row.

They are not seeking the DP in this case, so that's not at issue.

The defense can use the meter reader and of course they will claim sloppy police work, they always do. It seldom works. And it certainly won't for such a loathesome defendant.


In this day and age, how do they get members of the jury that have NOT been exposed to this story?!

[bchand]

I thought Baez said Jose Garcia was at the jail today????

He sure did stef. He bragged about it in fact, saying they were one step ahead of LE.

[kellabeck]

just had a random thought while watching nancy. If the a's found out approx 1:30 today & casey found out approx 1:45, not that the times matter but, if the a's thought their daughter was innocent, wouldn't they have wanted to rush to the jail to be with her when she found out or to just console her??

Not if they realized she's known since June.

[Neffy]

And I am sure that evidence has a lot to do with the fact that she was in a bag, and tossed in the woods, and not much more, nothing to do with duct tape.

jmo



"And I am sure "

Whoa Clairvoyant? Maybe you assisted the ME?

It has to do with all of it including any and all items in the bag. It will all be brought out at trial. LE already said duct tape was involved NUMEROUS vids can be found. No reading involved either. Just listen......

[joolz]

I dont see any reasonable doubt.. What did the meter reader break into A's home use casey's computer look up Chloroform. neck breaking, shovels? 3 months before she died? Use her car to put Caylee in leave the hair and then use the tape and bags plus a sheet , bedspread or something from caylee's bed. then throw her away like Trash.....Oh yeah then leave casey a script to follow. Then make her wait 31 days until her mom reported her missing then dump her tiny body 15 houses away Nope no reasonable doubt.....


Be careful Gert, Janie Weintraub may be reading here and might use that argument in the future.

[kellabeck]

In this day and age, how do they get members of the jury that have NOT been exposed to this story?!

Huge jury pool will have the 18 or 20 people who don't read newspapers and don't watch the news.

[kellabeck]

I dont see any reasonable doubt.. What did the meter reader break into A's home use casey's computer look up Chloroform. neck breaking, shovels? 3 months before she died? Use her car to put Caylee in leave the hair and then use the tape and bags plus a sheet , bedspread or something from caylee's bed. then throw her away like Trash.....Oh yeah then leave casey a script to follow. Then make her wait 31 days until her mom reported her missing then dump her tiny body 15 houses away Nope no reasonable doubt.....

And THEN call in tips to get the body found!!!

[penguin01]

Guy from the impound lot also.
Cindy said the guy at the impound lot told her it was pizza and maggots. I wonder what he will, in fact, tesitfy to? Not that they need him - scientists checked out that car. It was a body.

[bchand]

Any more statements from the parents? Any stirrings at the house? Has the brother made a showing? No visits or phonecalls with the inmate? Just asking. Very difficult to keep up with the boards.

No.
Dennis & his wife from KidFinders were seen leaving earlier.
Brother's at the house (or was earlier)
Inmate turned down the minister, only talked with her attorney (after the chaplain gave her the news.)

[velvetbrown]

Maybe you could do the experiment and save me a trip to the store?

Hiya peas...I'll be glad to conduct the experiment...i have many books that I've saved...

[MrsHudson]

the anthony's lawyer is imo hired for P.R. He is softing there image, rehabilitating imo. That seems to be his roll in this saga. I am not forgetting the anthony's rhetoric these last 6 months. too little too late for me. pizza crap, and a sighting in L.A. while the trip was to go on LKL show for some more money. Selling all the pictures and videos and interviews with the tabloids, and media. They smelled death in that car, and then their priorities went to Casey . they were both lying maniacs. all the while Caylee was in a garbage bag, being abused by critters. they knew it. I will never believe otherwise. gogo


Yes! This is all in the bid to get them a good immunity deal. They really must be in trouble. But how can the state deny it now? Their grand daughter is dead. It will look like overkill if it is denied. I don't trust em. Plus they are still making bid as spokespeople for missing children. They lump Caylee in with all missing kids. They want Casey out of this mess so they can have a new career as crusading do-gooders for missing children. Fame and fortune is down the road after all this is over. I think they are still reaching for that.

I hope I am wrong. I really do. But I just don't trust them.

[legalmania]

Inside the bag, yes. And yes, there would have been cadaverine on the book.

I am getting so confused, it started out with just a skull, now NG says there might have been a bathing suit inside the bag, how did that bag survive and not the body?

[FrankieBones1]

Larry King will be discussing this case tonight as well on his show.

[MalloryCat]

Well, Casey took Nan's sunshine away.

Heartbreaking.

[WillowInFlight]

The end of NG was so heartbreaking.

[jmgos1]

NOT IN DEFENCE OF CASEY----but, watching NC showing the video of Caylee, she talks pretty good. IF Casey were druging Caylee or putting her in the trunk. Wouldn't Caylee have complained to Cindy about mommy doing things to me, or Caylee have been afraid of Casey's car and have fussed when she would have to get into it, fearing that she would be put into the trunk again. Just a couple of thought running around in my brain tonight.

[bchand]

He did give an interview after comming out of the jail, one of the questions asked was what was Casey's reaction and he refused to comment.

You know, IIRC he was never asked how Casey reacted.

He said he KNEW everyone's question would be how she reacted and that he wasn't going to share that.

Personally I don't care how she reacted. The little actress already knew she was dead and where she could be found.

[Not staying]

Never posted anywhere before but Caylee captured all of us. The reason was Cindi, and their family. She was a much love and cherished girl as all the pictures and videos show us. I saw once here a reference to somthing sinister in the video with her great-gf, all I saw was someone that loved him very much. Go back and watch it, she kisses him on her own before getting down. I'd link but just figured out how to post. Go easy on her, she didn't lie, she wanted more than anything in this world to believe. You could show me a bloody sheet and all the forensic you want, but until you showed me my 4 year olds body, I would never ever give up looking for her. Especially if credible people are giving tips and sightings. I'm refering to the attorney and his girlfriend. Not going to read your responses, cause I know what they will be, been lurking a long time, because usually it's so informative here, but this has gotten ugly. Even the poster in the window. They just received that news at 1:45 acording to CNN. And this was posted 3ish about why it's still there. What would you be thinking?

[playnice]

The end of NG was so heartbreaking.


OMG It really got to me. Just looking at those beautiful eyes just rips your heart out.

[~jomomma~]

I thought Baez said Jose Garcia was at the jail today????

i thought Baez was there today?

[FrankieBones1]

I am getting so confused, it started out with just a skull, now NG says there might have been a bathing suit inside the bag, how did that bag survive and not the body?I think those garbage bags can last for centuries.

[Neffy]

Cindy said the guy at the impound lot told her it was pizza and maggots. I wonder what he will, in fact, tesitfy to? Not that they need him - scientists checked out that car. It was a body.

IIRC the smell was compared to another car that was brought into the lot with a deceased person in it.

Perhaps I'm mixing him up with someone else. Sorry can't provide a link.

[I'mRight]

What was with Gloria Alred tonight? Is she working for the Anthonies or something? She was not as sympathetic as she usually is.

[bchand]

Larry King will be discussing this case tonight as well on his show.

Waiting to see who the TH's are on his show before I commit to it. lol

[101Spots]

No.
Dennis & his wife from KidFinders were seen leaving earlier.
Brother's at the house (or was earlier)
Inmate turned down the minister, only talked with her attorney (after the chaplain gave her the news.)

Visitors log shows the minister in there for about 19 minutes. That's a long "I'm not talking to you." :confused:

[bluwaters]

Yes, I am just wondering why some people think that since they didn't find the body till now that it would cause reasonable doubt? I think that evidence alone will probably convict her.

My opinion only
What I seeas the perceived problem is that there may be doubt concerning when the remains were placed in that location.
Since LE was called out and said the area was clear, then where was the body?
If it had been there, why didn't they find it?
If it wasn't there in mid-August, when was it placed there?
Casey was in jail, she couldn't have moved the body to this location after August.
So, who did?
The defense doesn't have to prove it, just show reasonable doubt that the body has been there since Casey last had the car, June 27.
So, if someone else placed the body where it was found, maybe they also killed Caylee?

I don't think it is too much of a stretch to say that the area was thick with growth - and snakes- until TS Fay flooded the area.
It was easy to miss.

We don't know exactly where the bag was found, nor do we know exactly what area was searched with dogs.

I would really hate to be the officer that turned back because of the snake. He must feel like the department goat about now.

There are a few things that I don't get about the meter reader's story and LE's story, but I am confident that it will come out during the trial.

It is a challenge for the pros, but I think they are in a much stronger position with the body than they were without it.

[datagal]

Never posted anywhere before but Caylee captured all of us. The reason was Cindi, and their family. She was a much love and cherished girl as all the pictures and videos show us. I saw once here a reference to somthing sinister in the video with her great-gf, all I saw was someone that loved him very much. Go back and watch it, she kisses him on her own before getting down. I'd link but just figured out how to post. Go easy on her, she didn't lie, she wanted more than anything in this world to believe. You could show me a bloody sheet and all the forensic you want, but until you showed me my 4 year olds body, I would never ever give up looking for her. Especially if credible people are giving tips and sightings. I'm refering to the attorney and his girlfriend. Not going to read your responses, cause I know what they will be, been lurking a long time, because usually it's so informative here, but this has gotten ugly. Even the poster in the window. They just received that news at 1:45 acording to CNN. And this was posted 3ish about why it's still there. What would you be thinking?

I have been lurking for a while, and I have to say I COMPLETELY agree with everything you said.

[Motomom]

Well, Casey took Nan's sunshine away.

Heartbreaking.

:crying: That she did. And most likely only hours after that video was taken.

[jakee]

Well, Casey took Nan's sunshine away.

Heartbreaking.


Oh, just reading that makes me so so sad. Caylee was so adorable and I just can't stand thinking about her being in that bag.

[stef]

no clue... they look sort of like cement blocks.

maybe so, I thought for a minute broken up driveway or slab pieces, but they are too rectangular shaped. thanks

[WillowInFlight]

i thought Baez was there today?

I thought I read Garcia was with her when she was given the news that she already knew.

[velvetbrown]

Well, Casey took Nan's sunshine away.

Heartbreaking.

There is no doubt in my mind that Casey murdered Caylee to spite Cindy...pure nasty spite!

[Januarybaby]

This started with a book and now its part of a book so were just trying to figure it all out.

I noticed in the video, when shes turning the pages, there is a pic that has a dark colored tail ( at least it looks like it) then in the photo on the ground, there is the pick which has the same shape and color as the one in the book when shes turning the pages. IMO it is the book and when its laying on the ground, the book is open ( we only see a part of it)

(Thanks BC Ive been a little more observant lately :))

[gaelicpeas]

Hiya peas...I'll be glad to conduct the experiment...i have many books that I've saved...

Thanks!!!

(ugh, I need to add more characters)

[legalmania]

I think those garbage bags can last for centuries.

But with all the animals tugging at that bag it had to open how would a bathing suit and book survive.

[bchand]

Visitors log shows the minister in there for about 19 minutes. That's a long "I'm not talking to you." :confused:

He probably couldn't believe she was refusing to see him after asking him to come. lol

Oh no Jane Velez Mitchell again on Larry King.

[WillowInFlight]

Visitors log shows the minister in there for about 19 minutes. That's a long "I'm not talking to you." :confused:

I think he was hanging around in case she changed her mind

[~jomomma~]

In this day and age, how do they get members of the jury that have NOT been exposed to this story?!

my daughter is 29 and never heard about it (she doesn't live in florida though) but still.

then i was telling her about caylee and telling her about nancy grace and she asked 'who is nancy grace?'

i said 'you don't know who nancy grace is??' :blink:

[Dtviewer3]

The hair and body are both physical and circumstantial evidence.

According to Wikipedia:
Physical evidence is any evidence introduced in a trial in the form of a physical object, intended to prove a fact in issue based on its demonstrable physical characteristics. Physical evidence can conceivably include all or part of any object.

In a murder trial for example (or a civil trial for assault), the physical evidence might include DNA left by the attacker on the victim's body, the body itself, the weapon used, pieces of carpet spattered with blood, or casts of footprints or tire prints found at the scene of the crime.[URL="Physical evidence is any evidence introduced in a trial in the form of a physical object, intended to prove a fact in issue based on its demonstrable physical characteristics. Physical evidence can conceivably include all or part of any object."

Correct.
There is 'direct' and 'circumstantial' evidence.

Physical evidence falls under circumstantial.

DNA, hair, body, would be considered circumstantial evidence in the case against Casey.

Direct evidence would be if someone saw her commit the crime, or if she confesses.

Everyone always wants DNA in a case because it is such strong evidence.
But it is considered 'circumstantial' because it doesnt directly prove guilt or innocence.
Someones DNA can be found at a crime scene. Thats very damning evidence they were there, but does not prove they commited the murder.

The hair with the death band is very strong circumstantial evidence, but the defence will claim its flawed science, or that someone else put the body there, or that the hair was transfered there in some way.

Hope this all makes sence.....seems kind of jumbled as I read it back.......:sad:

[gaelicpeas]

(respectfully snipped)

Plus they are still making bid as spokespeople for missing children. They lump Caylee in with all missing kids. They want Casey out of this mess so they can have a new career as crusading do-gooders for missing children. Fame and fortune is down the road after all this is over. I think they are still reaching for that.

I hope I am wrong. I really do. But I just don't trust them.
I agree with this.

[FrankieBones1]

Waiting to see who the TH's are on his show before I commit to it. lol




So far they are Ashleigh Banfield, Jane Valez Mitchell and Jessica D'Onofrio.

[cajunmoon]

Huge jury pool will have the 18 or 20 people who don't read newspapers and don't watch the news.

somewhere today I heard that it is not a matter of finding jurors that haven't heard of this case, but of finding jurors that can be impartial. That have no inclinations toward guilt or innocence.

[jakee]

Yes she did....The tribute video that NG just played is so sad. :sad:

Where I live they cut NG off 10 minutes before the show is over. Maybe it is best I didn't see this tribute. Not sure I can watch anymore sadness tonight.

[playnice]

FGS JVM on LKL too. I wish she would shut up about the meter reader. What ever that is about will come out but no one murdered that child but casey.

[stef]

Good catch. IIRC JB did make that claim.
jmo

Baez Request for Second Autopsy (dated 12/15)
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/12/16/continuing.request.for.second.autopsy.pdf

Baez isn't listed either, maybe they update lawyer visits at a different time, hmmm......

[Motomom]

snipped

I don't think it is too much of a stretch to say that the area was thick with growth - and snakes- until TS Fay flooded the area.
It was easy to miss.

We don't know exactly where the bag was found, nor do we know exactly what area was searched with dogs.

I would really hate to be the officer that turned back because of the snake. He must feel like the department goat about now.

There are a few things that I don't get about the meter reader's story and LE's story, but I am confident that it will come out during the trial.

It is a challenge for the pros, but I think they are in a much stronger position with the body than they were without it.

It's going to be a bump in the road IMO, not much more. I really don't think the story is hinky with the meter reader. I think he had a hunch, saw the bags there and think that it was bugging him. When he was reassigned to the are he decided to check it out himself. Gods way IMO. Maybe he has some intuintion, I know alot of people don't believe in that, but for those that do, that's what I think it was. Some people just "know". We didn't see this guy all over the media like some crazed pyschic who is seeing visions..he just had a hunch. All JMO

[MalloryCat]

There is no doubt in my mind that Casey murdered Caylee to spite Cindy...pure nasty spite!


And I think Cindy knows that... I just can't imagine.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Never posted anywhere before but Caylee captured all of us. The reason was Cindi, and their family. She was a much love and cherished girl as all the pictures and videos show us. I saw once here a reference to somthing sinister in the video with her great-gf, all I saw was someone that loved him very much. Go back and watch it, she kisses him on her own before getting down. I'd link but just figured out how to post. Go easy on her, she didn't lie, she wanted more than anything in this world to believe. You could show me a bloody sheet and all the forensic you want, but until you showed me my 4 year olds body, I would never ever give up looking for her. Especially if credible people are giving tips and sightings. I'm refering to the attorney and his girlfriend. Not going to read your responses, cause I know what they will be, been lurking a long time, because usually it's so informative here, but this has gotten ugly. Even the poster in the window. They just received that news at 1:45 acording to CNN. And this was posted 3ish about why it's still there. What would you be thinking?


Welcome aboard. Stop by again, when and if, you choose to discuss the case.
:seeya:

[WillowInFlight]

Like a caller on NG said. "Caylee should be on Santa's lap". mo

YEP :crying:

[FrankieBones1]

We need a new thread (Part Four) since this one is beyond the quota. Hopefully one of you gals will start it if Sweetly isn't around.

[rbrnmw]

I have been told by someone who has known her since she was a child, that Cindy could be describe as a very warm compassionate, and honest person, but Casey would lay guilt trips on her to get her way, and be outright hateful to Cindy. So I don't want to judge them, we have no idea what her private thoughts are or why she said some things she said

[MrsHudson]

Yeah, I dont think the meter reader has anything to do with this at all. I am sure the body was underwater, and thats why it was not detected.

It just is a horrid case of bad luck and a huge win for the defense, even though there is no winner here at all, but it can cause reasonable doubt, and thats what I am TERRIFIED about.

jmo

Meh. It's the stupid talking heads that have been out in full force that are getting everyone down today. And guess what? Everyone hates talking heads. They do! And everyone knows talking heads are being phony half the time. And I really think that practically everyone in America thinks Casey is guilty and practically everyone in America is wondering why the talking heads are so stupid they can't see it. And anyone who is half way intelligeng knows the talking heads don't h ave all the facts. There are 12 people who are going to decide this and they are going to listed to serious evidence, not crappy infotainers like Geraldo and Jane Mitchell.

[ann10]

I totally agree with you. I think it was pure hate and vindictiveness towards Cindy 100%.



So, you think that Casey made a conscious decision to kill Caylee and carried out a deliberate murder?

I am just curious as to your opinion, as I just can't see this scenario.

Thanks

[bchand]

So far they are Ashleigh Banfield, Jane Valez Mitchell and Jessica D'Onofrio.

I had to turn the channel Frankie. I'm on overload about it today anyway.

[SandyO]

Go for it! I can't understand them saying they will cooperate with LE to find the killer. LE says Casey is the killer. Do they intend to get her to talk? Now THAT would be co-operation.

H'lo, Mrs. Hudson........ The way I see it, George and Cindy have more reason now than ever to try to save Casey. I don't believe for one minute they're facing reality, although the fact that Caylee is truly gone is no longer deniable. I will be truly amazed if LE gets any real cooperation from George and Cindy. By the way, has anyone seen Lee at the home of his parents today or tonight?

[bluwaters]

It must have been or I would not have thought about it being her book. I believe it was mentioned the the first thread this morning. Or the end of the last thread yesterday.
I was in on the thread last night. I agree that it looks like Caylee's book. I just wondered if it had been confirmed that it is Caylee's book, or part of it.

These kinds of books for toddlers are called board books.

I once lost some from the library and found them several months later in the leaky trunk of DH's old car. I tried to dry them out, but some of the pages stuck together and could not be separated. Some of the pages were fine once dry. The books were ruined though. They were wet all the way through, and they were in that trunk for about 3 months. Oh yeah, they smelled pretty bad too. :tongueside:

[True2Blues]

IIRC the smell was compared to another car that was brought into the lot with a deceased person in it.

Perhaps I'm mixing him up with someone else. Sorry can't provide a link.

I remember that too. A car someone had died in. Cindy went back to try to pressure the tow yard guy, but he said he was sticking to his story. What I don't recall, is the tow yard man saying he'd made any comment to Cindy. As I recall, he dealt mainly with George, after Cindy jumped on him about the cost.

[Motomom]

But with all the animals tugging at that bag it had to open how would a bathing suit and book survive.

Well her skull was in the bag and supposedly fell out. How was that in there? Animals had no interest in paper or plastic. A plastic bag is going to outlive human flesh. My kids have left clothes outside from summer to spring, through the winter and they survive. Might not be wearable after washing, but still hold up. Heck they find clothes with bones from yrs and yrs ago don't they? IF there is a bathingsuit there, it may not have been in the bag, it could have been in the area, by the bag, we just don't know yet.

[MalloryCat]

As much as I like to be a devils advocate, I am done making excuses for Casey, I just cant believe that she killed her daughter, but thats life, there are those types, and there is no good reason, but it happens and its heartbreaking, and Caylee deserved so much more, her grandma loved her so much and would have taken her and let Casey be free, but Casey was selfish and didn't care, the writing is on the wall what she did and its just unimaginable.

[bchand]

We need a new thread (Part Four) since this one is beyond the quota. Hopefully one of you gals will start it if Sweetly isn't around.


How about you starting it?

[MrsHudson]

I have been told by someone who has known her since she was a child, that Cindy could be describe as a very warm compassionate, and honest person, but Casey would lay guilt trips on her to get her way, and be outright hateful to Cindy. So I don't want to judge them, we have no idea what her private thoughts are or why she said some things she said

Well that was really a compassionate hammer she had their in the front yard. :unsure:

[Sweetly]

NEW THREAD ALL COME ON OVER CUZ WE ARE WAY OVER POST ON THIS ONE!

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12561832#post12561832

[charm7]

Everyone seems to believe Casey Anthony did away with Caylee because she wanted to party. Maybe an accident or maybe deliberate.
Do we forget that on June 15th (Father's Day) Cindy and Casey got into a physical fight because that day Cindy had learned Casey had stolen money from her Grandfather. It was money for his nursing care.
Cindy literally had Casey by the throat and threatened to take custody of Caylee. She had threatened this before.
George when interviewed said that Casey and Cindy had a volatile relationship.
I believe Casey deliberately murdered Caylee to hurt her mother. Simple as that.

JMO

[achristie]

No.
Dennis & his wife from KidFinders were seen leaving earlier.
Brother's at the house (or was earlier)
Inmate turned down the minister, only talked with her attorney (after the chaplain gave her the news.)

Thank you, BCHand. She turned down the minister? Why am I surprised? She must have feared she'd be struck by lightning. She's an evil being.

MOO Aggie

[Cheri_G]

There is no doubt in my mind that Casey murdered Caylee to spite Cindy...pure nasty spite!

I think it may have been a combination of things including that. I think it was reported that Tony didn't really want Caylee around and when he got around to having kids he wanted boys, and the new crowd of friends were party people.

Casey's good life was make believe, the truth was she was dependent on her parents and her mother controlled her life. I think she was resentful and possibly jealous (she wasn't the baby of the family anymore).

The last fight she had with Cindy may have been the catalyst to what happened to Caylee.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Visitors log shows the minister in there for about 19 minutes. That's a long "I'm not talking to you." :confused:

IMO, enuf time for lots of f-bombs and much longer than the ONE minunte NINE second visit on 10/24.
jmo

[penguin01]

NOT IN DEFENCE OF CASEY----but, watching NC showing the video of Caylee, she talks pretty good. IF Casey were druging Caylee or putting her in the trunk. Wouldn't Caylee have complained to Cindy about mommy doing things to me, or Caylee have been afraid of Casey's car and have fussed when she would have to get into it, fearing that she would be put into the trunk again. Just a couple of thought running around in my brain tonight.

Maybe Casey only did it the one time - with deadly results.

[ann10]

How about you starting it?

Sounds like a great idea. Please!

[Sweetly]

COME ON OVER EVERYONE, PLEASE :thumbsup:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12561832#post12561832

[MrsHudson]

I have no doubt, and faith that this is a STRONG case for the State. It's irritating that the tv persists in allowing the propaganda of defense shills like Lawrence Kobilinsky, and the Geraldos of the school of yellow journalism.

It's sensationalism. They take an unpopular view to stir up viewers, and make it more exciting.

Casey will never taste freedom again. Justice will be served. The case against her is stronger than most.


Exactly!

The talking heads are there to push the viewers buttons to get them to watch. And I think the really loudmouth defense attorney talking heads are there to drum up business. NOTICE ME! I am a fierce defender see how I yell and make my points? Call me if you need me.

[bchand]

H'lo, Mrs. Hudson........ The way I see it, George and Cindy have more reason now than ever to try to save Casey. I don't believe for one minute they're facing reality, although the fact that Caylee is truly gone is no longer deniable. I will be truly amazed if LE gets any real cooperation from George and Cindy. By the way, has anyone seen Lee at the home of his parents today or tonight?

Yes Sandy, he was there this afternoon.

[Oregongal]

I'm sorry...but ng's timing regarding her present from the twins ,is in my opinion...bad taste.

I respectfully disagree. On this day of such sadness, I found it touching that she brought our focus back on life. Nancy's twins were a gift and a blessing for her and her family. I for one needed reminding on this day needed reminding of that. I appreciate it and think her timing was wonderfully appropriate.
We have all lost someone today. I for one have been devestated all day.
Altho, I expected it, to have it true has broken my heart. I have felt as if Caylee were mine. That beautiful picture of her they had at the 'announcement' is the one I have had next to me 24/7 for all these months. I know I can't truly imagine what many of you who have lost a child are feeling right now. I also feel this is God's way for me to have gotten a glimpse into that pain. So that I will forever have more compassion and empathy for all of you.
Many of us have been trying whatever we could to ease our pain and sadness today and I appreciated Nancy for sharing a bit of of her life with her children to ease that among us.
I have only posted a couple of times today, speaking to the facts, reacting to what the TH's have said.
I haven't yet until now been able to begin to express the pain and brokenheartedness I have felt since this morning.
Many of you have been able to express what I feel, what my heart is feeling now, I appreciate each of you for being able to say the words I cannot say.
I have gone thru so many emotions today. I have stepped away. I have cried so many times I have a pounding headache. I have prayed.
I have a friend dropping by in the next 1/2 hr to drop gifts off to us. She is one of those who hasn't been even aware of Caylee except for what I've told her. And I'm hesitant to see her. She's into Christmas and I'm grieving.
I don't want to dampen her happiness, yet, want her to know how I'm feeling. So, I'm torn about seeing her and how I will or can be with her right now.
As I said, my emotions are all over the place right now.
The only comfort I am feeling is knowing for sure that our angel Caylee is in the arms of my Lord and she will never know anymore pain, confusion, upset and will never shed another tear.
She truly is in the arms of the angels.
Sweet beautiful Caylee, I love you and will never forget you.
Rest sweet baby, it's over now. You were found and I know you are safe forever.
:rose::rose::rose:

[MichelleP]

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Nothing yet, perhaps through their atty. on one of the news shows tonight. I can't wait to hear Cindys statement, I did hear rumor of them blaming the city worker who called in the find, perhaps saying he was implicated in some way.
This is the saddest case I've ever followed.
Well, it does make me wonder.

If he has called this in three or four times, why'd he tell people he was just "going in to take a whiz."

Remember, criminals always return to the scene of the crime, repeatedly.

I'd be VERY curious about this guy's whereabouts. It's just due dilligence to look this stuff up. If the sherrifs don't make certain, then the defense attorneys definitely will. "

I can't actually believe you would blame the guy who found her. So what he found her? So what he called before? Maybe because he kept looking and didn't give up. Someone else said that before, so you sound familar.

There is evidence of a dead body in Casey's car! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put two and two together so stop blaming the meter man for any wrong doing. I really get tired of the spin though we will probably here a lot more when it goes to trial.


My opinion only

[WillowInFlight]

As much as I like to be a devils advocate, I am done making excuses for Casey, I just cant believe that she killed her daughter, but thats life, there are those types, and there is no good reason, but it happens and its heartbreaking, and Caylee deserved so much more, her grandma loved her so much and would have taken her and let Casey be free, but Casey was selfish and didn't care, the writing is on the wall what she did and its just unimaginable.

ITA, and every time I start to think she killed her in a rage, and it was preplanned, I remember all those internet searches.

[MichelleP]

I have no doubt, and faith that this is a STRONG case for the State. It's irritating that the tv persists in allowing the propaganda of defense shills like Lawrence Kobilinsky, and the Geraldos of the school of yellow journalism.

It's sensationalism. They take an unpopular view to stir up viewers, and make it more exciting.

Casey will never taste freedom again. Justice will be served. The case against her is stronger than most, and killing a child is too horrible to make excuses or find reasonable enough to doubt her guilt. Her behavior, alone condemns her.

Yes, especially since they've convicted people already for murder without bodies.

[velvetbrown]

So, you think that Casey made a conscious decision to kill Caylee and carried out a deliberate murder?

I am just curious as to your opinion, as I just can't see this scenario.

Thanks

Cindy threatened to legally take Caylee from Casey...whatever that fight was about on the 15th, Casey took Caylee and left the house...IMO the murder of Caylee expresses Casey's jealousy of her daughter and the bond Caylee had with Cindy...this was Casey's big F U to Cindy...she killed 2 birds with one stone...got rid of her 'mistake', and cut out Cindy's heart and stomped on it...

[Sweetly]

LET'S GO EVERYONE. LAST CALL FOR THE NEW THREAD....

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12561832#post12561832

[stef]

I wonder what color garbage bags they use at Gentiva health...:confused:

[legalmania]

Well her skull was in the bag and supposedly fell out. How was that in there? Animals had no interest in paper or plastic. A plastic bag is going to outlive human flesh. My kids have left clothes outside from summer to spring, through the winter and they survive. Might not be wearable after washing, but still hold up. Heck they find clothes with bones from yrs and yrs ago don't they? IF there is a bathingsuit there, it may not have been in the bag, it could have been in the area, by the bag, we just don't know yet.

Well hopefully we'll all get to see this soon but I have a feeling it will be a couple of years before trial.

[GentleBreeze]

Was it even verified that this picture is of a book?
Much less that book?

I guess because it is rather easy to see the book laying there.

The press asked LE today about the book being found and of course they would not deny it or say that it was.

imo

[MalloryCat]

ITA, and every time I start to think she killed her in a rage, and it was preplanned, I remember all those internet searches.

Yeah, I am sick. Then her nights at Fusian Lounge, its sick.

[kitty1182]

And I think Cindy knows that... I just can't imagine.

Me either..Casey is a heartless, evil, cold woman...IMO

She has destroyed so many people..

[GentleBreeze]

Cindy threatened to legally take Caylee from Casey...whatever that fight was about on the 15th, Casey took Caylee and left the house...IMO the murder of Caylee expresses Casey's jealousy of her daughter and the bond Caylee had with Cindy...this was Casey's big F U to Cindy...she killed 2 birds with one stone...got rid of her 'mistake', and cut out Cindy's heart and stomped on it...

I totally agree with this.

imoo

[Maelstrom5]

I don't think we can ever really know. A lot of these monsters had terrible childhoods themselves, but others didn't. Not being a real believer in 100% of anything, I have a feeling it can be one, the other, or both. If I had to guess, in this case I would guess that Casey was born with some bad wiring and if her parents never tried to deal with her problems (which we don't know) or make her culpable for her own actions, her lack of conscience was allowed to flourish.

BTW, I love Frankenstein, but I never thought about it from this psychological point of view; I always thought it was a kind of cautionary tale about man attmepting to act like god in "creating" a new creature. JMO.

Off topic to some extent. You are correct 'Frankenstein' is a cautionary tale; pointed at the fallacies of the new religion; science. But it is also a very personal drama that asks the question, can man's good intentions, his most fond hopes, in the end create a monster?

I don't know if you have been to Château de Chillon, the basis for Castle Frankenstein,(I have) http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=143252708&albumID=781525&imageID=20008174,
Or how much you know about that summer when Mary and Percy Shelly vacationed with Lord Byron, but a careful investigation of that summer reveals a lot.

In the context of this case the question that needs to be asked; can a mothers love go wrong? Can it become a precursor to a child becoming violent? Can a persons desire to control events; their good intentions, create a monster?

[marshmallow]

Exactly!

The talking heads are there to push the viewers buttons to get them to watch. And I think the really loudmouth defense attorney talking heads are there to drum up business. NOTICE ME! I am a fierce defender see how I yell and make my points? Call me if you need me.

we changed it. I don't think we'll be watching any more shows on this.

[Pruddennce]

Geragos tried to cry police bumbling and even misconduct in Scooter's trial and where did that get his client? Yup. Death row.

Just because the defense tries to pick apart the prosecution's case doesn't mena it will succeed.

right. and...what is this case all about? its not about LE attempting to 'find' a missing child within the hour, within a few days. it was 31 days after she was gone. and a mother who has ALL OF THE ANSWERS. she is the one who withheld information for 31 days.

the only bungling that occurred was the bungle bungle boogaloo of Casey Anthony.....she bungled her way thru life, with an innocent on her arm...and she tossed her away IMO to spite her mother, and to free herself of Caylee who she felt resentment toward. (which brings us back to the original mother/daughter relationship).

31 days of freedom from motherhood, and now of course, forever.

and THE SMELL OF DECOMP.

the defense can spin and spin....where to go with 31 days and her carefree lifestyle during that period. cant wait to hear that explanation.

Im envisioning the jurors jaws, a grouping of o's... :eek::eek::eek:

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[bama__angel]

As much as I like to be a devils advocate, I am done making excuses for Casey, I just cant believe that she killed her daughter, but thats life, there are those types, and there is no good reason, but it happens and its heartbreaking, and Caylee deserved so much more, her grandma loved her so much and would have taken her and let Casey be free, but Casey was selfish and didn't care, the writing is on the wall what she did and its just unimaginable.


Casey doesnt have any real authentic love for anyone. I believe Caylee was a means to an end. There is something wrong in her head, and all the medication and counseling in the world wont make her feel. You cant replace something that Casey never had....

I really really grieve also for George and Cindy...........This is the beginning of the real hell for them..........They truly have to learn to live with what Casey has done and even more than that live life without Caylee.

[Jeepers]

just had a random thought while watching nancy. If the a's found out approx 1:30 today & casey found out approx 1:45, not that the times matter but, if the a's thought their daughter was innocent, wouldn't they have wanted to rush to the jail to be with her when she found out or to just console her??

I said that on the day LE got to the crime scene. If my daughter was in jail and I thought her to be innocent and Zanny the Nanny had kidnapped my grandchild. I would be right there by her side on the airwave begging and pleading to bring her home. They forgot the end of the script. They didn't follow through with the normal responses. That tells me ..They know Casey did this and the Anthony's are just trying to save her. They have been trying to save her since day 31.
They knew Caylee was gone.:rose::rose:

[Sweetly]

WE ARE ALL ON THE NEW THREAD EXCEPT YOU PEOPLE. THIS IS MY VERY, VERY LAST CALL. ALL ABOARD!!!!!!!!

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12561832#post12561832

[MrsHudson]

Off topic to some extent. You are correct 'Frankenstein' is a cautionary tale; pointed at the fallacies of the new religion; science. But it is also a very personal drama that asks the question, can man's good intentions, his most fond hopes, in the end create a monster?

I don't know if you have been to Château de Chillon, the basis for Castle Frankenstein,(I have) http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=143252708&albumID=781525&imageID=20008174,
Or how much you know about that summer when Mary and Percy Shelly vacationed with Lord Byron, but a careful investigation of that summer reveals a lot.

In the context of this case the question that needs to be asked; can a mothers love go wrong? Can it become a precursor to a child becoming violent? Can a persons desire to control events; their good intentions, create a monster?

Oh my gosh. That's very insightful.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Media Advisory (with speakers names/titles)
http://www.ocso.com/Portals/0/MediaRelations/12.19.08_Re-Caylee%20Anthony%20Press%20Conference.pdf

[BobbisAngel]

I understand that, but Casey is in there for murdering the child who the funeral is for.


I would guess that the Anthonys will have a very private service for little Caylee with just family and close friends. I don't know about Casey being allowed to go. I personally don't think she should.

I wonder if someone won't have a memorial service for Caylee so that the public can say thier good byes. The Anthonys wouldn't have to attend that service and be hounded by the press. I think that would be a nice idea.

[ann10]

They will make a deal and testify against her in exchange for immunity.

imo

That seems likely. imo

[MalloryCat]

Casey doesnt have any real authentic love for anyone. I believe Caylee was a means to an end. There is something wrong in her head, and all the medication and counseling in the world wont make her feel. You cant replace something that Casey never had....

I really really grieve also for George and Cindy...........This is the beginning of the real hell for them..........They truly have to learn to live with what Casey has done and even more than that live life without Caylee.

Yeah. No matter what has been said about them in the past, pales with the reality of this. I believe that the body was found for George and Cindy, because had this MIRACLE, had not happened, for the rest of their lives they would have been in denial forever, I believe this is for them, a higher power said enough is enough, Enough victims of Casey.

And no one wins here.

[kitty1182]

Yeah. No matter what has been said about them in the past, pales with the reality of this. I believe that the body was found for George and Cindy, because had this MIRACLE, had not happened, for the rest of their lives they would have been in denial forever, I believe this is for them, a higher power said enough is enough, Enough victims of Casey.

And no one wins here.

Wonderful post...
God works in mysterious ways!!!! And He did!!!!

[kitty1182]

Got a new thread, part 4..

Come on over!!!!!!