Dec. 15 -

[Silsbee]

I did a little research because I thought it was MM too. On Feb 8, 2007 a SW was served for Jason's yahoo email acct. Yahoo provided info from that acct thru Feb 21, 2007.

According to the Nov 6 warrant MM & JY talked from 12/18/07 - 1/25/08. This is a year after the murder. They also state there was "at least one face to face meeting between the two during the summer of 2007 that occurred in Myrtle Beach, SC."

Another SW was issued for JY yahoo acct on July 5, 2007. In this SW it states "WCSO Investigator McCormack told me on June 29, 2007 of information obtained under court order of JY being in recent contact with key case witnesses who were among those he had history of also being in email contact. The contact included renewed communications with at least one witness he had last known to contact on the date the murder victim was found. It is unknown how JY obtained this witness' new phone number."

There were no SW from March to June 2007 (that we know of) so what court order gave them the info about recent contact? Since the email contact for MM and JY hadn't occurred yet I think they are referring to their "face to face" contact in the summer of 2007.

The first SW on JY email acct does not cover the time period to capture the emails from 12/07-1/08. The second SW on JY email acct requests info from 2/22/07 thru the date of the SW (July 5, 2007). So when and where did they get the info about email communications from 12/18/07 thru 1/25/08?

Links to SW (http://www.wral.com/news/local/asset_gallery/3401559/)

Sils

[Kat4Eagles]

The GA friend, the therapist. I'm sure there are more. Maybe people she worked, with and also the people Jason worked with that thought he was inappropriate.

And we mustn't forget MM.


But, we are talking about people that Jason would have tried to get in contact with.

I doubt he would have called Michelle's therapist to see what she knew.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Hey Sils.:seeya:
Possibly from the person he was communicating with, then?
It is confusing.
The whole case is.

Kat

[kingbuff]

The 3 SW's for the yahoo.com account allowed much more detail, such as web cache browsing history, as Yahoo.com deposits cookies and tracks history on their servers. On the other hand, the cops can (and apparently did) obtain a court order (subpoena) to intercept e-mail from a specific IP address.

Or MM was wired or bugged via court order for the face-to-face.

[kingbuff]

Would have been a good idea, but doubt that happened.
The cops would not have stated the two had a 2007 face to face meeting in the SW if she was working on the side of justice.

She did cooperate with pollice. Wonder how that went for her.

[Kat4Eagles]

She did cooperate with pollice. Wonder how that went for her.




Well, we know MM was one of the people that was asked to identify Jason in the video from the hotel.

Could not have been easy for her to do that, or live with all the regrets she must have about hurting Michelle.

I keep thinking that IF any of the 20 things below were really true, he would be in jail.

You can even mix and match them and they still can not get an arrest.!!

Jason's footprints on pillow
Jason's dna in blood spatter on wall
Jason's dna not excluded from jewelry box
Jason's car seen by news carrier
Jason seen leaving the hotel
Jason not answering his phone on the am after the murder
Jason mentioned in the therapists notes as being threatening/abusive
Jason trying to kill Michelle in the car
Jason attempting to drown Michelle by moving boat away from her
Jason sending MF to house to find Michelle
Jason drugging C
Jason researching ways to kill Michelle on computer
Jason telling people he was unhappy
Jason not wanting to be married
Jason not wanting another child with Michelle
Jason the insurance policy
Jason being in financial difficulty
Jason refusing to talk
Jason not walking the crime scene
Jason not contesting the wrongful death suit


:confused:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Or MM was wired or bugged via court order for the face-to-face.



Lots of missed opportunities along the way, King buff.
Lots of things they did not do until it was too late.

Even the missing shirt, if it is missing, could be explained by the fact, it was in a dirty laundry or paper/plastic bag in the back seat or trunk and was thrown out thinking it was trash on the way from Brevard to Raleigh.

I coud make another list of all the mistakes or things L E could have done differently .



:lol:

[kingbuff]

I think we'll just have to wait until we see the video of Jason leaving the hotel and returning around 7 am or so. Then the shirt and shoes will have significance.

[Kat4Eagles]

I was thinking about possible alternatives as why L E thought C was taken from the home, (if she was)

Could a staged kidnapping also had been in the works for C?

Maybe taken from the home and then brought back when the killer(s) changed their minds?

Doesn't add up though, C would have told someone..

Kat

[Cardinal]

~snipped for emphasis~

Doesn't add up though, C would have told someone..

Kat

I wonder about that part, Kat. Cassidy was an extraordinarily articulate 2+ year old, based on that 911 call. I have to wonder what she said that afternoon, and what LE heard.

[Cardinal]

I did a little research because I thought it was MM too. On Feb 8, 2007 a SW was served for Jason's yahoo email acct. Yahoo provided info from that acct thru Feb 21, 2007.


Links to SW (http://www.wral.com/news/local/asset_gallery/3401559/)

Sils

Now this is my kind of analysis, Sils! I'm still surprised that Jason would be discussing the case with "key witnesses", after all we've heard about his total silence.

[MerriMent]

Now this is my kind of analysis, Sils! I'm still surprised that Jason would be discussing the case with "key witnesses", after all we've heard about his total silence.

Where do you get that Jason was discussing the murder?

[MerriMent]

Most likely LE subpoened phone records of the witnesses and found Jason's phone number in the call detail of those records.

[Hey Paula]

When JY is finally brought to justice, will MM be the Amber Frey equivalent witness in his trial? I've always thought she might very well be.

[annalyzer]

When JY is finally brought to justice, will MM be the Amber Frey equivalent witness in his trial? I've always thought she might very well be.


She won't generate the sympathy like Amber since she was sleeping with a best friends husband. :unsure:

[Hey Paula]

She won't generate the sympathy like Amber since she was sleeping with a best friends husband. :unsure:

While that's true, Anna, if MM cooperated with LE and assisted them in solving this case, she might very well be perceived as being remorseful for her disloyalty/betrayal, and her cooperation with LE perceived as atonement.

In view of the kind of exchanges between MM and JY, none of which indicate MM was jilted or scorned by JY, her testimony shouldn't be viewed as retribution.

IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

She won't generate the sympathy like Amber since she was sleeping with a best friends husband. :unsure:


You got that right, Anna.

MM is just as much to blame as Jason for wanting to be together and only thinking of themselves.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

When JY is finally brought to justice, will MM be the Amber Frey equivalent witness in his trial? I've always thought she might very well be.


When exactly is Jason going to be brought to justice?

Kat

[annalyzer]

Still no arrest?

[kingbuff]

Where do you get that Jason was discussing the murder?

Oh, I see. Thanks for making me go back and reread the SW.

[kingbuff]

When exactly is Jason going to be brought to justice?

Kat

Maybe the question should be when will justice be brought to Jason and his families. I think I can answer that. When the killer(s) are arrested and charged and convicted.

[Kat4Eagles]

Still no arrest?


Looks like 2009 will arrive first.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Looks like 2009 will arrive first.

Kat

Sadly, Kat, that's probably true. I imagine the GJ has been adjourned for the holidays.

[Kat4Eagles]

Sadly, Kat, that's probably true. I imagine the GJ has been adjourned for the holidays.


I know, but no one will forget Michelle. :rose:

I heard something interesting when experts on television were discussing the Caylee case earlier tonite.

That there are only 5 reasons that someone kills someone.

1) Love

2) Hate

3) Revenge

4) Money

5) Jealousy


Kat

Ps. Card, I wish you and everyone else here a happy and safe holiday.
:)

[Dominique]

I know, but no one will forget Michelle. :rose:

I heard something interesting when experts on television were discussing the Caylee case earlier tonite.

That there are only 5 reasons that someone kills someone.

1) Love

2) Hate

3) Revenge

4) Money

5) Jealousy


Kat

Ps. Card, I wish you and everyone else here a happy and safe holiday.
:)
What a lead in!:thumbsup: Go Kat!

[Leanne Weich]

For those who think this is a cold case. Look at what happened in Adam Walsh's case - 27 years and, unfortunately, because the perp died, there will never be justice for Adam on earth,

Police said Toole was long the prime suspect in the case and that they had conclusively linked him to the killing. They declined to be specific about their evidence and noted they had no DNA proof of the crime, but said an extensive review of the case file pointed only to Toole, as John Wash long contended.

"Our agency has devoted an inordinate amount of time seeking leads to other potential perpetrators rather than emphasizing Ottis Toole as our primary suspect," said Hollywood Police Chief Chadwick Wagner. "Ottis Toole has continued to be our only real suspect."

Sorry, but I have lost the link from which this excerpt was taken. If anyone insists, I'll try to find it but there are hundreds of links all saying basically the same thing. Sad but I'm happy for John and his family.

I just hope we don't have to wait that long for justice for Michelle and Rylan - in fact, my biggest hope is that there is an indictment, arrest and conviction during my lifetime although, with the length of time it's taking and my failing health, it may not happen.

[Cardinal]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_case

"Cold case refers to a crime or accident that has not been solved and is not the subject of current criminal investigation or civil litigation...."

Unless I misunderstand the definition of a cold case, a case in which a SW was issued as recently as Nov 6 is hardly "cold". On the contrary, it appears to me that this case is most definitely the subject of a current criminal investigation. I just hope the investigation continues to progress and that we will see justice for Michelle and Rylan in the new year.


In the meantime, I wish a happy, healthy and safe holiday season to you, too, Kat, and to Leanne, Sils, Anna, AE and everyone else.

[annalyzer]

snip~
I just hope we don't have to wait that long for justice for Michelle and Rylan - in fact, my biggest hope is that there is an indictment, arrest and conviction during my lifetime although, with the length of time it's taking and my failing health, it may not happen.

They didn't have the technology back then that they do now and while the investigation was bungled in both cases (in this case missed tooth, no rape kit done, etc.) I really see no excuse for this case to not be solved without a deathbed confession.

I am sorry to hear you aren't feeling well and hope that your health improves.

[Leanne Weich]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_case

"Cold case refers to a crime or accident that has not been solved and is not the subject of current criminal investigation or civil litigation...."

Unless I misunderstand the definition of a cold case, a case in which a SW was issued as recently as Nov 6 is hardly "cold". On the contrary, it appears to me that this case is most definitely the subject of a current criminal investigation. I just hope the investigation continues to progress and that we will see justice for Michelle and Rylan in the new year.


In the meantime, I wish a happy, healthy and safe holiday season to you, too, Kat, and to Leanne, Sils, Anna, AE and everyone else.

Card, I know it isn't a cold case. I was pointing out how long Adam's case took and used "cold case" because for the longest time Kat was adamant if no arrest happened the 2 year mark, it would be cold.

Thanks for the good wishes and I hope the very same for you. I hope that some way, some how, Linda and Meredith can get presents to Cassidy although I'm not hopeful, given that presents were returned before Linda ever initiated the WDS. I just wish the adults would step up and keep Cassidy's best interests at heart and, love them or not, she deserves a relationship with both her maternal and paternal families, imo.

[Leanne Weich]

They didn't have the technology back then that they do now and while the investigation was bungled in both cases (in this case missed tooth, no rape kit done, etc.) I really see no excuse for this case to not be solved without a deathbed confession.

I am sorry to hear you aren't feeling well and hope that your health improves.

You're right about the mess ups in this case - hopefully that is one of the reasons the DA wants what appears to be an excessive amount of CE.

Thanks for the good wishes - nothing that open heart surgery wont fix hopefully.

[alter ego]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_case

"Cold case refers to a crime or accident that has not been solved and is not the subject of current criminal investigation or civil litigation...."

Unless I misunderstand the definition of a cold case, a case in which a SW was issued as recently as Nov 6 is hardly "cold". On the contrary, it appears to me that this case is most definitely the subject of a current criminal investigation. I just hope the investigation continues to progress and that we will see justice for Michelle and Rylan in the new year.


In the meantime, I wish a happy, healthy and safe holiday season to you, too, Kat, and to Leanne, Sils, Anna, AE and everyone else.
I've always been told a case goes cold when they run out of leads. I'm not sure why someone put in wiki that civil litigation has any bearing on a case being cold or not.

Thanks for the warm wishes - right back atcha :) (i miss our santa smilies)

[alter ego]

Card, I know it isn't a cold case. I was pointing out how long Adam's case took and used "cold case" because for the longest time Kat was adamant if no arrest happened the 2 year mark, it would be cold.

Thanks for the good wishes and I hope the very same for you. I hope that some way, some how, Linda and Meredith can get presents to Cassidy although I'm not hopeful, given that presents were returned before Linda ever initiated the WDS. I just wish the adults would step up and keep Cassidy's best interests at heart and, love them or not, she deserves a relationship with both her maternal and paternal families, imo.Is there a credible link to presents for Cassidy from Linda and Meredith being returned?

[Kat4Eagles]

What a lead in!:thumbsup: Go Kat!


Huh?

:confused:

I guess you could count thrill killers in there.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Is there a credible link to presents for Cassidy from Linda and Meredith being returned?



None that I know of.

But, I guess, now, after filing the wrongful death suit, L F knew she would hurt any chance she had of seeing C..

Kat

[alter ego]

You're right about the mess ups in this case - hopefully that is one of the reasons the DA wants what appears to be an excessive amount of CE.

How so when the CE that we know about only leads to a strong suspicion that won't survive a motion to dismiss?

"However, if the evidence is “sufficient only to raise a suspicion or conjecture as to either the commission of the offense or the identity of the defendant as the perpetrator, the motion to dismiss must be allowed.” Molloy, 309 N.C. at 179, 305 S.E.2d at 720 (internal citation omitted). “This is true even though the suspicion aroused by the evidence is strong.”

...“[e]very inference must stand upon some clear and direct evidence,...

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=nc&vol=appeals2005/&invol=040567-1

(read the whole opinion, there are cases cited that have more CE than this one, yet they were smacked down because the evidence didn't get past suspicion and/or relied on double inference/building of inferences)

[Leanne Weich]

How so when the CE that we know about only leads to a strong suspicion that won't survive a motion to dismiss?

"However, if the evidence is “sufficient only to raise a suspicion or conjecture as to either the commission of the offense or the identity of the defendant as the perpetrator, the motion to dismiss must be allowed.” Molloy, 309 N.C. at 179, 305 S.E.2d at 720 (internal citation omitted). “This is true even though the suspicion aroused by the evidence is strong.”

...“[e]very inference must stand upon some clear and direct evidence,...

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=nc&vol=appeals2005/&invol=040567-1
(read the whole opinion, there are cases cited that have more CE than this one, yet they were smacked down because the evidence didn't get past suspicion and/or relied on double inference/building of inferences)

AE, thanks for the case law link. I'll read it later .. it is 3.25a.m. now and I have to be at the hospital at 6.00 a.m. so I'd better get some sleep. Just something to ponder though - Spivey said there is more evidence that the public is unaware of.

[kingbuff]

Is there a credible link to presents for Cassidy from Linda and Meredith being returned?

I just looked but can't find it. Someone in the Fisher family shared that info with at least one board poster who then shared it with our world. Credible? Someone better organized than I am can link you to those posts then you decide.

[kingbuff]

Leanne---good luck with your health issues!!! And may the new year be good to you!!

[bookie]

For Spivey to state his opinion concerning Jason's guilt, there must be considerable solid evidence. You don't hear many in LE sticking their necks out that way. Hope everything turns out good for you Leanne, and your health improves quickly. Happy Holidays everyone !! :smile:



If there was "considerable solid" evidence there would have been an arrest by now.

Adding my good wishes for Leanne.

[Kat4Eagles]

If there was "considerable solid" evidence there would have been an arrest by now.

Adding my good wishes for Leanne.


Hi Bookie, of course there would have been an arrest.

Same for me, Leanne..take care of yourself.

Now for the disgusting news of the day,
/OT/
Drew Peterson is engaged to be married again.

Why can't they arrest him?

Kat

[kingbuff]

Hi Bookie, of course there would have been an arrest.

Same for me, Leanne..take care of yourself.

Now for the disgusting news of the day,
/OT/
Drew Peterson is engaged to be married again.

Why can't they arrest him?

Kat

Why not also lock up the girl? Clearly she's demented.

[JD1974]

OK, care to explain what would make a Law Enforcement officer make a claim like he has made ? He stated that he thought Jason Young was the killer of Michelle Young. He must have SOME information you may not be privy to, or why would he put himself out there with a comment like that ? If you read AE's caselaw you might understand why there has NOT been an arrest. Try not to jump so quickly in hopes of an argument, it really puts a bad light on "things". TIA :lol:



He claims that it is HIS OPINION, so that is why he can say what he said, the same reason I can say IMO I think Casey murdered Caylee. You know what they say about opinions....I don't see his opinion leading to an arrest, which means his opinion apparently doesn't count for much to the DA, at least at this time anyway.

Oh yeah all that was MOI

[Kat4Eagles]

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If there was "considerable solid" evidence there would have been an arrest by now.

Adding my good wishes for Leanne.


Hi Bookie, of course there would have been an arrest.


There can't be an arrest until the case is solved, Kat. That doesn't mean there isn't "considerable solid" evidence, though. I think that Detective Spivey must know of some kind of "solid evidence" or why on earth would he make the comment that he thinks Jason Young is the killer ? No one seems to be able to answer that question so far, just wondering if you have any ideas ?


Hi Vanessa,
It is very clear that the Detective thinks Jason did it and that he has tons of circumstantial evidence, or so we have been told, but can not make an arrest.

How would I know why?

Do you know how long it was posted here that an arrest was imminent?

Do you know why?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Why not also lock up the girl? Clearly she's demented.

Clearly.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Hi Kat
Totally O/T but can you just blame DP after all it takes two.


How many more of his wives have to go missing or end up dead?
:mad:
Kat

[annalyzer]

Hi Vanessa,
It is very clear that the Detective thinks Jason did it and that he has tons of circumstantial evidence, or so we have been told, but can not make an arrest.

How would I know why?

Do you know how long it was posted here that an arrest was imminent?

Do you know why?

Kat


Heck, they can't even name him a suspect.

[Hey Paula]

No, I think Spivey has knowledge of something much more than CE. he claims to base his opinion on some evidence he has seen that has
not been made public. All this started from a post I read earlier here, and I mistakenly worded my post in a way I see has confused some.
I am asking "rhetorically" when I ask 'don't you think he has some kind of "solid evidence", you know as in trying to "make a point" in response to the earlier post. Well, never mind. I can pretty much see where everyone's head is at with this. Thanks for your input, I guess. LOL As for YOUR question do I know how long it was posted that an arrest is imminent, no I do not know how long, I only know that an arrest IS imminent. Hope this helps, Kat.

Like you, I believe Det Spivey has info/evidence which cannot be published at this time, likely to protect the integrity of this case. I also believe JY's arrest is imminent. The focus is solely on him and he didn't answer the charges in the WDS. His guilt is apparent and the CE against him is plentiful.

I wonder if this unpublished evidence was acquired from others? If so, that might be why it's being protected and kept from the public.

IMO

[kingbuff]

Hi JD, thanks for that but actually I do understand that it is Det. Spivey's opinion, that is not my question. I am asking (rhetorically) if this poster thinks that Spivey must have a darn good reason for making his claim public, as in solid evidence of some sort that he has seen that clinched it for him. Thanks for your response though lol...

Hi, Vanessa. I think the question is not rhetorical. Spivey certainly had a reason to go public with his opinion. It would help push the civil suit along, thus helping Linda. I also think he was paid for his testimony. Be interesting to know how much.

[kingbuff]

Like you, I believe Det Spivey has info/evidence which cannot be published at this time, likely to protect the integrity of this case. I also believe JY's arrest is imminent. The focus is solely on him and he didn't answer the charges in the WDS. His guilt is apparent and the CE against him is plentiful.

I wonder if this unpublished evidence was acquired from others? If so, that might be why it's being protected and kept from the public.

IMO

"Acquired from others?" Of course it was. Everytime Spivey read the boards he got new ideas to investigate. We ought to copyright our info and make Spivey pay for it.

[Hey Paula]

"Acquired from others?" Of course it was. Everytime Spivey read the boards he got new ideas to investigate. We ought to copyright our info and make Spivey pay for it.

"Acquired from others", e.g., MM, the therapist, etc. IOW, documented but yet unpublished evidence.

IMO

[MerriMent]

OK, care to explain what would make a Law Enforcement officer make a claim like he has made ? He stated that he thought Jason Young was the killer of Michelle Young. He must have SOME information you may not be privy to, or why would he put himself out there with a comment like that ? If you read AE's caselaw you might understand why there has NOT been an arrest. Try not to jump so quickly in hopes of an argument, it really puts a bad light on "things". TIA :lol:

He stated his opinion. He isn't required to have any more information than we have to form an opinion.

[MerriMent]

Hi, Vanessa. I think the question is not rhetorical. Spivey certainly had a reason to go public with his opinion. It would help push the civil suit along, thus helping Linda. I also think he was paid for his testimony. Be interesting to know how much.

Doubtful that he was paid. Don't forget: Spivey is also allowed to lie in the course of an ongoing investigation. His opinion sure didn't help Linda achieve her goal of getting the insurance money deposited into Michelle's estate.

[MerriMent]

"Acquired from others", e.g., MM, the therapist, etc. IOW, documented but yet unpublished evidence.

IMO

This so-called evidence hasn't resulted in an indictment so it can't be much.

Also, doubtful Spivey has seen the therapist notes because the judge ordered them turned over to the DA's investigator, not the WCSO.

[bookie]

OK, care to explain what would make a Law Enforcement officer make a claim like he has made ? He stated that he thought Jason Young was the killer of Michelle Young. He must have SOME information you may not be privy to, or why would he put himself out there with a comment like that ? If you read AE's caselaw you might understand why there has NOT been an arrest. Try not to jump so quickly in hopes of an argument, it really puts a bad light on "things". TIA :lol:



Tunnelvision. A "hunch". Who knows what made him say what he said but the fact remains that if there was considerable solid evidence there would have been an arrest and possibly a trial and conviction by now.


AE's link doesn't help your claim. You claim he has SOLID evidence, her link talks about "evidence" that doesn't rise above suspicion or conjecture. That us not solid evidence by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not the one putting a bad light on anything.

[JD1974]

Honestly, I think there is something that LE cannot figure out, something that would be exculpatory to the point that they cannot charge him. They have to figure out how he did something or didn't do something while commiting the crime and they just can't figure out how he avoiding either doing ot not doing this. It could mean he is innocent, or he is very smart and planned this thing well in advance.


ETA Spivey's opinion means nothing to me without an arrest. LE are human just the the rest of us and LE have known to be wrong. I am just curious if Spivey would of came out and said I think maybe someone else had done this, would you be lauding him or blasting him because it didn't fit the Jason did it scenario?

[Cardinal]

~snipped~

His opinion sure didn't help Linda achieve her goal of getting the insurance money deposited into Michelle's estate.

Despite the fact that you have posted this several times, I don't see anything in the WDS asking that the insurance proceeds be deposited to Michelle's estate.

"...Plaintiff seeks a judgment declaring that Jason Young is barred from collecting any insurance benefits, that Jason Young is subject to all the provisions of Article 3 of Chapter 31A, and directing distribution of any applicable assets or benefits in accordance with said law."

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/11/04/3893878/Linda_Fisher_wrongful_death_lawsuit_against_Jason_ Young.pdf


Linda only requested that the law be applied, NOT that "the insurance money [be] deposited into Michelle's estate." :read:

[Cardinal]

How so when the CE that we know about only leads to a strong suspicion that won't survive a motion to dismiss?

"However, if the evidence is “sufficient only to raise a suspicion or conjecture as to either the commission of the offense or the identity of the defendant as the perpetrator, the motion to dismiss must be allowed.” Molloy, 309 N.C. at 179, 305 S.E.2d at 720 (internal citation omitted). “This is true even though the suspicion aroused by the evidence is strong.”

...“[e]very inference must stand upon some clear and direct evidence,...

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=nc&vol=appeals2005/&invol=040567-1

(read the whole opinion, there are cases cited that have more CE than this one, yet they were smacked down because the evidence didn't get past suspicion and/or relied on double inference/building of inferences)

AE, thank you for posting this - it's very interesting. I think I understand better why Willoughby hasn't yet sought an indictment.

[kingbuff]

Spivey is not "allowed" to lie in any courtroom is he ? Nor is he "allowed" to lie in any court testimony or deposition. Last time I checked no one is...

Hi, Vanessa. Did you think Merriment was talking about sworn testimony ? I think he was talking about investigation tactics. Do you have a clue about why Spivey involved himself in the civil case ? I think that is what Merriment was getting at . Do you think publicizing his opinion is a smart move ? I confess I do not see the logic behind his tactic.

[JD1974]

I have no desire nor reason to have a "jason did it scenario" and frankly I find that very rude on your part to insinuate that I do.
Why would I, or anyone for that matter want a killer to go free and an innocent person be jailed for a murder he did not commit. That is ludicrous. If Spivey came out and said someone else did this, then I suppose he would have evidence to back it and that would be that.
After investigating this case for a year and a half I think he knows what he's talking about, and obviously Judge Stephens is in total agreement with him as well, so maybe he's not the "one" who is wrong in his opinion. hmmmm...


Sorry I didn't mean that personally to you, I meant in general and worded it incorrectly...I truly am sorry about that.

[JD1974]

One thing they have to figure out is how that little girl stayed clean all day. If Jason killed her he would have to leave Birch leaf by 5:00 to make it to his meeting. That means that child was there 8 hours and never went to her mom. We know she wasn't locked out of the room per the last warrant. From the sounds of her in the back ground of the 911 call she sure wasn't drugged. So who was watching her? I think LE is trying to pitch the idea she was drugged but I don't think it will fly. Its been rumored that MF made calls before she called 911. If that is true that could be a big problem for LE. If they charge JY then doesn't his attorney get all the evidence they have collected including MF's many statements?


I cannot for the life of me figure out how Jason could of accomplished that by himself, no way. I don't buy the drugging either, too risky, plus he would never know when Meredith would show up on that day. Also since she was in the room she seen Michelle, I honestly think even though Jason didn't love Michelle that Cassidy is very important to him...I can't see him leaving her to find her mom. I guess that's one of the few doubts I have about this being him.

[cg007]

I have been following this story since the beginning and believe JY is guilty. The question I have is if he finds his quality of life better now? That would seem to be the intent of committing this act. JMO

[jerry50]

If you are stating it as your opinion is it a lie?

It has been upheld by the Supreme Court that LE can lie to a suspect during questioning. This can include telling a suspect that they have evidence that they actually don't, telling a suspect that someone has implicated them etc.
They cannot lie in court and they cannot lie when testifying or supplying information in a wrongful death suit.
It is amazing how so many posters are willing to villify this detective when in actuality we wouldn't even know he existed if Michelle Young had not been bludgeoned to death. I think JY's refusal to answer questions is what should be villified.

[MerriMent]

Despite the fact that you have posted this several times, I don't see anything in the WDS asking that the insurance proceeds be deposited to Michelle's estate.

"...Plaintiff seeks a judgment declaring that Jason Young is barred from collecting any insurance benefits, that Jason Young is subject to all the provisions of Article 3 of Chapter 31A, and directing distribution of any applicable assets or benefits in accordance with said law."

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/11/04/3893878/Linda_Fisher_wrongful_death_lawsuit_against_Jason_ Young.pdf


Linda only requested that the law be applied, NOT that "the insurance money [be] deposited into Michelle's estate." :read:

Read it again. Several of her requests to the court were for financial reimbursement on behalf of Cassidy, not the estate.

[MerriMent]

Spivey is not "allowed" to lie in any courtroom is he ? Nor is he "allowed" to lie in any court testimony or deposition. Last time I checked no one is...

Spivey stated his opinion to the court.

[kingbuff]

It has been upheld by the Supreme Court that LE can lie to a suspect during questioning. This can include telling a suspect that they have evidence that they actually don't, telling a suspect that someone has implicated them etc.
They cannot lie in court and they cannot lie when testifying or supplying information in a wrongful death suit.
It is amazing how so many posters are willing to villify this detective when in actuality we wouldn't even know he existed if Michelle Young had not been bludgeoned to death. I think JY's refusal to answer questions is what should be villified.

Hi, Jerry. I think you are right about lying. Cops can and do. Do you think knowing cops lie should make Jason more eager to talk to them? I think less.

My other question is about Spivey. Why do you think he entered the civil case?

[jerry50]

Hi, Jerry. I think you are right about lying. Cops can and do. Do you think knowing cops lie should make Jason more eager to talk to them? I think less.

My other question is about Spivey. Why do you think he entered the civil case?

If JY were with his lawyer there should be no problem talking to LE. To me a person's character in times of catastrophe is what the person is actually made of. Character is only defined by actions. A person can claim all the character he wants but if he shows up morally bankrupt in the face of a tragedy it proves that he never had any and his former life is essentially a sham.

I think Det Spivey was asked to give his opinion on who was responsible for the bludgeoning death of Michelle Young and he gave it. If JY is so concerned about it then he should have responded to the WDS. That was the legal avenue that was open for him to take.

[kingbuff]

If JY were with his lawyer there should be no problem talking to LE. To me a person's character in times of catastrophe is what the person is actually made of. Character is only defined by actions. A person can claim all the character he wants but if he shows up morally bankrupt in the face of a tragedy it proves that he never had any and his former life is essentially a sham.

I think Det Spivey was asked to give his opinion on who was responsible for the bludgeoning death of Michelle Young and he gave it. If JY is so concerned about it then he should have responded to the WDS. That was the legal avenue that was open for him to take.

I can't debate character with you, Jerry. I don't even know the terms such as 'morally bankrupt'. I've seen the cliche many times, but don't really understand it. It seems to mean I was once rich in morals and then somehow I don't have morals anymore? But then I never had any morals but lost them and became bankrupt? Too confusing for me. I suggest you google character and debate some of the great minds of the past few centuries. Mine is not so great.

How did we get diverted to character, anyway? I just wanted you to see why the criminal jury released OJ. They didn't trust the cops. The cops were the ones on trial, not OJ. You think Jason or anyone else is going to confide in Spivey and his buds? Would you? Good luck with that, Jerry.

[Cardinal]

Read it again. Several of her requests to the court were for financial reimbursement on behalf of Cassidy, not the estate.

I've read the requests for funeral expenses and damages in her suit. But my post was specifically in response to your allegation that Linda attempted to divert the life insurance proceeds to the estate. That isn't true, based on the WDS language. She asked that the LI proceeds pass according to the law.

[Cardinal]

~snipped~

My other question is about Spivey. Why do you think he entered the civil case?

My guess is that he was subpoenaed. IIRC, that was mentioned in Linda's attorneys' press conference.

[kingbuff]

So now you are are saying the cops that built a rock solid case on OJ were corrupt too ?

BTW, RC Spivey's opinion that Jason is the killer came with the blessing of Donnie Harrison and the WCSO . :wink:

Ooops. I must have been missed the statements by Donnie and WCSO. Sorry about that. I'll try to catch up.

You misinterpreted what I said about the OJ trial. The jury did not trust the cops. I didn't say they were corrupt. As in Wake, it's a matter of trust.

[MerriMent]

If JY were with his lawyer there should be no problem talking to LE. To me a person's character in times of catastrophe is what the person is actually made of. Character is only defined by actions. A person can claim all the character he wants but if he shows up morally bankrupt in the face of a tragedy it proves that he never had any and his former life is essentially a sham.

I think Det Spivey was asked to give his opinion on who was responsible for the bludgeoning death of Michelle Young and he gave it. If JY is so concerned about it then he should have responded to the WDS. That was the legal avenue that was open for him to take.

Jason has followed his attorney's advice and remained silent. I don't believe hiring an attorney and then following his advice reflects a morally bankrupt character. That's quite a stone for you to lob.

[MerriMent]

I've read the requests for funeral expenses and damages in her suit. But my post was specifically in response to your allegation that Linda attempted to divert the life insurance proceeds to the estate. That isn't true, based on the WDS language. She asked that the LI proceeds pass according to the law.

It's true, according to her attorneys' statements to the media. Linda Fisher represents the estate, not Cassidy Young. The Judge instead ruled the life insurance benefits go to the next beneficiary no matter who it is.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4061834/
Fisher is seeking two claims, her other attorney, Jack Michaels, said.

"One is to get him adjudicated as the slayer of Michelle, and the second is a wrongful death claim for money damages," he said.

A judge will be asked to rule on the two issues in the coming weeks. If Jason Young is declared his wife's killer, under law, he would not be allowed to collect insurance benefits.

Fisher wants any benefits, as well as punitive and compensatory damages, to go to Cassidy, now 4.

[MerriMent]

So now you are are saying the cops that built a rock solid case on OJ were corrupt too ?

BTW, RC Spivey's opinion that Jason is the killer came with the blessing of Donnie Harrison and the WCSO . :wink:

that blessing is such a secret no media has mentioned it. I guess they don't have the right model of decoder ring. :wink:

[MerriMent]

Hi, Jerry. I think you are right about lying. Cops can and do. Do you think knowing cops lie should make Jason more eager to talk to them? I think less.

My other question is about Spivey. Why do you think he entered the civil case?

He was hoping Jason would talk.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

He was hoping Jason would talk.


I don’t know. At this point, I bet the cops and the DA are planning on him not talking.

[kingbuff]

that blessing is such a secret no media has mentioned it. I guess they don't have the right model of decoder ring. :wink:

Oh. I get it LOL. You think that poster is an agent for the tabloid.

[Wyn]

Hey RPD, did you hear that train? I think it's still rolling on......can they hear it in Brevard?

[Tacori]

Linda Fisher has filed a suit for custody of Cassidy.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6564289

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/YoungCustody.pdf

Good morning!

[Wyn]

Wow! Did you read the lawsuit!!!??? Looks like our insiders had the info absolutely correct!


:thumbsup:

Psych exam.

[achristie]

Wow ! Affairs?
And one of those women lived with them the month before the murder?

MOO Aggie

[Wyn]

Watch and see...he will again stay mute and the Fisher's will get custody by default and then the cuffs with lock .
All is falling into place

:thumbsup:

Merry Christmas to the woman whose name will be made public at the custody hearing! Bet she'd like to crawl in a hole. Unless she doesn't know, yet......! :laugh:

Someone let me know when the spin starts. Buh bye! :tonguewag:

[alter ego]

Wow! Did you read the lawsuit!!!??? Looks like our insiders had the info absolutely correct!
Myabe. Or Linda and Meredith got this info from the same insiders because they preclude those allegations with 'upon belief' which means they believe them to be true, but don't know for a fact they are.

But if true, it sure doesn't make sense they would wait all this time to file for custody.

[kingbuff]

Wonder if JY will show the psychologist his penis tricks...

:blushing:

Wonder if Linda and Meredith will show up for a psycho exam?

[alter ego]

I believe they probably waited on the advice of their lawyer(s). I do truly believe this custoday case would be much harder if JY hadn't already lost the civil suit.If that were the case they would only have cited the WD suit ruling in their moving papers.

It's interesting they are demanding a psych exam and then after stating that Jason has no job or money, they want him to pay for the exam and all their atty fees.

[alter ego]

Great move on Linda and Meredith's part, finally that little girl can resume her relationship with her Grandma and Auntie. Wow, ALL the stories were true and then some, he sounds like a real gem, huh ? I know posters will be here shortly accusing Linda of being money hungry (as they did when the WDS was filed), and I'd like to point out that NONE of this would be happening if Jason Young would have filed for divorce instead of opting for murder. He should pay for the atty fees and the psych evaluation, because it's his and only his fault that the Fisher's have had to file this action against him. Had he gone the normal route (divorce) and had he not traumatized his daughter by cutting her off from her loving relatives immediately after she lost her mom (at his hand) none of this would be necessary.Slow up a littlle bit.....the stories have not been proven true, they are allegations at this point.

[alter ego]

Amazing isn't it ? All this disdain for Linda Fisher,
someone none of us even know. Yet tons of CE pointing to Jason Young as the murderer, and he gets honored and defended constantly on this board. Really says alot about some people's integrity.Please show where he has been 'honored on this board'. :rolleyes:

And yes, it certainly does say a lot about the integrity of people who believe the rights granted to us in our constitution are sacred and not a bashing point.

[Hey Paula]

Linda Fisher has filed a suit for custody of Cassidy.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6564289

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/YoungCustody.pdf

Good morning!

Hi Tacori and Everyone!

WOW! Thanks for posting those links!

I think we have the answer to the big question being raised on this board for more than 2 years, i.e., "Why hasn't JY been arrested? What is LE waiting for?"

I believe this was a carefully planned, strategic move to have JY convict himself in this heinous crime. IMO, this was a successful joint effort between LE and the Fishers. Through his failure to cooperate with LE in this investigation, along his failure to reply to the charge of being Michelle's and Rylan's killer, as stated in the WDS, JY has convicted himself and this, coupled with the ever-mounting CE against him, I have no doubt JY will be convicted when he is finally brought to justice.

JY's behavior was and still is despicable. Neither he, nor his family, should be allowed to retain custody of Cassidy. And to use Cassidy to snare women by posting photos of this poor child is truly disgusting.

IMO

[alter ego]

So far the "stories" have panned out and then some concerning Jason Young and his marriage vows, I think I'll go ahead and RUN with it....
Nothing has 'panned out' yet.

:shrug:

[alter ego]

Hi Tacori and Everyone!

-snipped-

JY's behavior was and still is despicable. Neither he, nor his family, should be allowed to retain custody of Cassidy. And to use Cassidy to snare women by posting photos of this poor child is truly disgusting.

IMOJason didn't post pictures of Cassidy, NCWanted did that. He allegedly responded to a Craig's list ad and that response was with a private email that included pictures of him and Cassidy. The one who posted the photos from that email was NCWanted.

[Hey Paula]

Jason didn't post pictures of Cassidy, NCWanted did that. He allegedly responded to a Craig's list ad and that response was with a private email that included pictures of him and Cassidy. The one who posted the photos from that email was NCWanted.

The links states JY did this:

EXCERPT:

It says, in recent months, Jason Young has attempted to solicit dates online, and has even posted pictures of Cassidy as part of his dating efforts.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6564289


The following appears on Page 9, and is part of Paragraph 17 in the custody suit filing. It makes no mention of NCWanted:


EXCERPT FROM CUSTODY SUIT FILING

Upon information and belief, in recent months, the Defendant has attempted to solicit dates online, even posting pictures of the minor child as part of his dating efforts.

[Jester]

Jason Young likes to expose his genitals in public? :blink: :thumbdown: Indecent Exposure???

What has Cassidy had to endure these past two years!

[Jester]

Well every body here knows that part is wrong so wonder how much of the rest is wrong. It was NCWanted that posted the photos not JY.

Of course they did. The sneaked into Pat's house when no one was home, pulled the memory card out of Jason's camera, copied the photos onto their laptop, replaced the memory card in the camera, sneaked out of the house, and posted the pictures on their website. Jason didn't really mind that this happened, so he simply let it go.

[Hey Paula]

Hey Paula

No doubt the WCSO and the DA are 100% behind Linda's efforts.
The WD suit offered a chance for him to talk and answer the tough questions.....linda Won

Now he can decide if his daughter is important enough to answer questions.....

Either way, Jason Lynn Young's days as a free man are numbered.:biggrin:

Hi RPD!

JY convicted himself! I don't believe JY will answer the custody suit either, although he might try sending his mother and sisters to do so on his behalf.

ITA that JY's days of freedom are numbered! It couldn't happen to one more deserving of losing the freedom he craved enough to murder his wife and unborn son to achieve. Poetic justice will prevail when JY is convicted and likely sent to prison for the rest of his life.

[Hey Paula]

Disgusting describes JY to a T.

How anyone can still be defending him is beyond me.

Hi Tiaz!

He had no respect for Michelle, and apparently hasn't any for Cassidy either based upon his selfish and reckless behavior.

[Hey Paula]

Well every body here knows that part is wrong so wonder how much of the rest is wrong. It was NCWanted that posted the photos not JY.

JY apparently posted the photos online, as stated in the custody suit filing, or NCWanted would not have had access to them if they were merely included in an email. Using his daughter to snare women, after he killed her mother and unborn brother, should be a crime in and of itself, which disqualify him from having custody of Cassidy.

IMO

[alter ego]

The links states JY did this:

EXCERPT:

It says, in recent months, Jason Young has attempted to solicit dates online, and has even posted pictures of Cassidy as part of his dating efforts.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6564289


The following appears on Page 9, and is part of Paragraph 17 in the custody suit filing. It makes no mention of NCWanted:


EXCERPT FROM CUSTODY SUIT FILING

Upon information and belief, in recent months, the Defendant has attempted to solicit dates online, even posting pictures of the minor child as part of his dating efforts.
Of course it makes no mention of NCWanted or that the pictures were included in an email response, that would deflate their claim.

[alter ego]

Along with the pictures, Jason wrote a email all about his daughter being the center of his world along with his mom and his vacationing (left out the part about his wife had only been deceased for mere months) lifestyle, all designed to lure women who would have a weak spot for a darling little girl and the "all american dad" (left out the part about how he cheated constantly on his dead wife, and the part about his OTHER CHILD, the one that died when he beat his wife to death). And then he enclosed those photos or how in the world did NC Wanted have them to post ? Did they send reporters out to film Jason and the celebration he's been hosting since Michelle died ?
Exactly, the photos were sent to women via private email. Jason didn't post the pictures as alleged. NCWanted posted the pictures.

[alter ego]

JY apparently posted the photos online, as stated in the custody suit filing, or NCWanted would not have had access to them if they were merely included in an email. Using his daughter to snare women, after he killed her mother and unborn brother, should be a crime in and of itself, which disqualify him from having custody of Cassidy.

IMONCWanted allegedly was forwarded the email and photos from the woman Jason sent them to in response to her Craigslist personal ad. So that's how NCWanted has access to them.

[alter ego]

Hi RPD!

JY convicted himself! I don't believe JY will answer the custody suit either, although he might try sending his mother and sisters to do so on his behalf.

ITA that JY's days of freedom are numbered! It couldn't happen to one more deserving of losing the freedom he craved enough to murder his wife and unborn son to achieve. Poetic justice will prevail when JY is convicted and likely sent to prison for the rest of his life.He has to be indicted first Paula.

[alter ego]

I don't think there is an American citizen alive that does not hold our constitution sacred, or I hope there isn't. Jason Young remains silent so as not to incriminate himself, at his attorney's advise, no integrity there, sorry.
But you weren't talking about Jason's integrity, you were bashing others and questioning their integrity for defending Jason's right to remain silent and applying the cannon of IUPG.

[jerry50]

:thumbsup:

Psych exam.

I wonder how the JII posters will spin this. Meredith is one of the plaintiffs so hopefully that will dispell the accusations against her.

I hope that they can realize that this is a legal document and that the lawyers for Linda and Meredith have affidavits from several firnds of JY who will testify to these accusations in a court of law under oath.

The timing of this custody suit indicates to me that an arrest is not far off and that Linda will end up with custody and will have Cassidy in safe hands during the trial.

[jerry50]

If that were the case they would only have cited the WD suit ruling in their moving papers.

It's interesting they are demanding a psych exam and then after stating that Jason has no job or money, they want him to pay for the exam and all their atty fees.

I think that is a standard request in all types of cases. And once again it would preclude a killer from profiting from his deeds when he has civil judgements against him.

[jerry50]

He had them on a public photobucket account.
Have you read the rest of the document or are you going to argue this point all day.


Haven't you heard, when you can't argue the truth you argue everything else. :biggrin:

[Wyn]

Wonder if Linda and Meredith will show up for a psycho exam?

Is this a line you really want to cross? You are aware that down the road, Jason might not be the only person from Brevard who is eligible for a "psycho exam"? You might want to broach the subject of harboring a fugitive in the future at one of your family gatherings too. Could be an interesting conversation. Nothing to really worry about now, but down the road, someone might need a heads up. :smile:

[kingbuff]

Amazing isn't it ? All this disdain for Linda Fisher,
someone none of us even know. Yet tons of CE pointing to Jason Young as the murderer, and he gets honored and defended constantly on this board. Really says alot about some people's integrity.

Hi, Vanessa. You might be interested in a board where nobody is allowed to defend Jason. I checked out one like that this morning. Not sure if I am allowed to get you a link to it. It's called Websleuth. You would be comfortable there.

[kingbuff]

Is this a line you really want to cross? You are aware that down the road, Jason might not be the only person from Brevard who is eligible for a "psycho exam"? You might want to broach the subject of harboring a fugitive in the future at one of your family gatherings too. Could be an interesting conversation. Nothing to really worry about now, but down the road, someone might need a heads up. :smile:

Hi, Wyn. I dont know anything about a line. If there is one, sounds to me like Linda crossed it with her foolish civil actions. Are you saying Linda and Meredith would seek to avoid a psycho exam?

[Leanne Weich]

Just got home to this wonderful news. I see some people don't realise in custody cases it is par for the course for the plaintiff's to ask for costs of psychological evaluations and costs of suit. I guess all those skeletons which were waiting to roll out of Linda's closet were a figment of certain posters' imaginations. Guess this is, in and of itself, proof that there was no merit to the lie that has been perpetuated on this forum that Meredith is a thief.

Due to the fact that Judge Sasser looked at what evidence was available in the Cooper case when making her deicision to give temp. custody to the Rentz family, I predict the WDS will stand the Fisher ladies in good stead to win this. I do admire them for not bringing an Ex Parte Application because, in their shoes, I reckon I'd have done the same.

[alter ego]

He had them on a public photobucket account.
Have you read the rest of the document or are you going to argue this point all day.
Really? Odd that no one knew of this public photobucket acct until NCWanted made it broadcast news.

Yes I read the rest of the doc. Lots of 'upon belief' allegations made. Lot's of concern, all of a sudden, over Jason's mental health.

[MerriMent]

Hi, Wyn. I dont know anything about a line. If there is one, sounds to me like Linda crossed it with her foolish civil actions. Are you saying Linda and Meredith would seek to avoid a psycho exam?

I just read their allegations and I'm now convinced they are both nuts.

[Wyn]

Hi, Wyn. I dont know anything about a line. If there is one, sounds to me like Linda crossed it with her foolish civil actions. Are you saying Linda and Meredith would seek to avoid a psycho exam?


Stop being obtuse, you know exactly what I meant. The Fishers don't live in Brevard now do they? Who else that surrounds Cassidy might need a "psycho exam", as you so rudely have termed what Jason will be having, if he's to have even a sliver of a chance to win this suit? Who knows, if you've been hanging around the Young house you might even get a chance at a "pyscho exam". Good luck with that!

Can't you hear the train whistle? You might want to get out of the way because your attempts at spinning are pretty irrelevant now. As a matter of fact, I think I'm done with you! :laugh:

[alter ego]

I think that is a standard request in all types of cases. And once again it would preclude a killer from profiting from his deeds when he has civil judgements against him.
Requesting the defendant pay for an exam demanded by the plaintiff has nothing to do with profiting from a crime

[MerriMent]

Really? Odd that no one knew of this public photobucket acct until NCWanted made it broadcast news.

Yes I read the rest of the doc. Lots of 'upon belief' allegations made. Lot's of concern, all of a sudden, over Jason's mental health.

"Upon belief" are delusions. Read the first page: Fishers' lawsuit is against "Jason Lynn Fisher."

[kingbuff]

Stop being obtuse, you know exactly what I meant. The Fishers don't live in Brevard now do they? Who else that surrounds Cassidy might need a "psycho exam", as you so rudely have termed what Jason will be having, if he's to have even a sliver of a chance to win this suit? Who knows, if you've been hanging around the Young house you might even get a chance at a "pyscho exam". Good luck with that!

Can't you hear the train whistle? You might want to get out of the way because your attempts at spinning are pretty irrelevant now. As a matter of fact, I think I'm done with you! :laugh:

Hi, Wyn. Okay. I take that to mean the Fishers would object to undergoing a psycho exam. I really doubt they can avoid it now.

After reading Linda's complaint, I think she is relying quite a bit on board rumors. Don't you think? I also reviewed info posted on several boards about Linda and Meredith. After seeing the rumored information about both parties, I think I would like to see the answer to one question, from both parties. Why has Jason from the beginning refused visitation to Cassie's grandmother? I think Linda would have to answer that herself, but I imagine Jason can remain silent and let any of his family answer. Should be interesting.

[Wyn]

Sworn affidavits written by the defendant's supporters plastered all over the national news for all to read...now that should be very interesting :biggrin:

:thumbsup: Not only interesting, RPD, but pretty entertaining too. Whose willing to flush their life down the toilet with Jason's? I can name only one and he's not credible.

[Wyn]

Reckon the National Enquirer will get to Brevard soon ?
They will have a field day writing about his local protectors.

Well, they had no problem chasing John Edwards around a hotel. Guess they wouldn't mind following the Youngs to the grocery store to confront them. Or taking pictures of old mountain goats in overalls out in their yard. Maybe do a rafting expose'? Some may be still seeking their fifteen minutes of fame and be willing to be a fool for Jason's cause. :smile:

Seriously, with Jason losing the WD Suit and now the Fishers suing for custody of Cassidy, this is going to get some national media attention. Not the kind that most of the residents in Brevard are going to like.

[MerriMent]

Hi, Wyn. Okay. I take that to mean the Fishers would object to undergoing a psycho exam. I really doubt they can avoid it now.

After reading Linda's complaint, I think she is relying quite a bit on board rumors. Don't you think? I also reviewed info posted on several boards about Linda and Meredith. After seeing the rumored information about both parties, I think I would like to see the answer to one question, from both parties. Why has Jason from the beginning refused visitation to Cassie's grandmother? I think Linda would have to answer that herself, but I imagine Jason can remain silent and let any of his family answer. Should be interesting.

Yes, it should although I don't believe a Judge will ever allow it to proceed because there's absolutely nothing to indicate CY's in danger.

[Jules2]

Yes, it should although I don't believe a Judge will ever allow it to proceed because there's absolutely nothing to indicate CY's in danger.

Being in "danger" and being raised by an unfit parent are the same as far as I am concerned.

And by unfit, I am talking about improper environment, lifestyle and questionable upbringing due to the parent's setting unfavorable examples.

There might not be the threat of physical damage, but the emotional damage left by an unfit parent is just as much a danger.

IMO

[jerry50]

Hi, Wyn. Okay. I take that to mean the Fishers would object to undergoing a psycho exam. I really doubt they can avoid it now.

After reading Linda's complaint, I think she is relying quite a bit on board rumors. Don't you think? I also reviewed info posted on several boards about Linda and Meredith. After seeing the rumored information about both parties, I think I would like to see the answer to one question, from both parties. Why has Jason from the beginning refused visitation to Cassie's grandmother? I think Linda would have to answer that herself, but I imagine Jason can remain silent and let any of his family answer. Should be interesting.

In order for Linda and Meredith to take a psych exam, JY would have to speak up and request one. The evidence coming in at the trial will be the affidavits and testimony under oath from family, friends and aquaintances that will specify incidents that show JY incapable of caring for his daughter. There may also be testimony from the therapist. When the judge get a full picture of JY's character or lack thereof I doubt if she would feel that he was capable of requesting a pysch exam for anyone else.

[jerry50]

Yes, it should although I don't believe a Judge will ever allow it to proceed because there's absolutely nothing to indicate CY's in danger.

Didn't you also think that Linda's WDS was dead in the water because JY didn't respond and there was no way that she could prove that JY was the killer? TIA

[Leanne Weich]

Hi, Wyn. Okay. I take that to mean the Fishers would object to undergoing a psycho exam. I really doubt they can avoid it now.

After reading Linda's complaint, I think she is relying quite a bit on board rumors. Don't you think? I also reviewed info posted on several boards about Linda and Meredith. After seeing the rumored information about both parties, I think I would like to see the answer to one question, from both parties. Why has Jason from the beginning refused visitation to Cassie's grandmother? I think Linda would have to answer that herself, but I imagine Jason can remain silent and let any of his family answer. Should be interesting.

Jason, for once, is going to have to answer the questions himself. Mommy or his sisters will not be able to do so. If the Fisher ladies had anything to hide, you'd better believe they wouldn't have instituted this action, imo. If JY has an attorney, he can accompany him for the deposition but Linda and Meredith are not going to be deposed. Jason's lawyers can ask them questions at trial but they will not have carte blanche to turn the hearing into a deposition. If the decision on whether to defend this application was solely left to JY, I think he could concede custody by default but I doubt his mom will let that happen. I bet they will pony up the cash to pay his attorney's fees. JY is probably going to have to talk for the first time now, imo.

[MerriMent]

Unlike Jason, Brad wasn't declared his wife's slayer before the Judge ruled he would lose custody of his kids. :wink:

Cooper hasn't lost custody of his kids. He agreed to the current arrangement.

[Leanne Weich]

Yes, it should although I don't believe a Judge will ever allow it to proceed because there's absolutely nothing to indicate CY's in danger.

I'm not so sure about that. Posting photographs of that child on a public facebook account (with JY, no doubt not being the most popular guy in the county) could be construed as posing a danger to Cassidy. Big difference between loving maternal family members releasing family photos and videos of a child who was left with her dead mom's body and a slayer using his daughter as a prop for possible dates with internet desperados, imo. Even if Cassidy is not in mortal danger, if half the allegations made in the custody application are true (and I doubt any attorney worth his salt would get his client to swear to lies), Cassidy is in moral danger.

[MerriMent]

Didn't you also think that Linda's WDS was dead in the water because JY didn't respond and there was no way that she could prove that JY was the killer? TIA

Fisher didn't prove JY was the killer nor did the WDS accomplish her goal: control of the life insurance money. Her latest lawsuit merely confirms it to me.

[MerriMent]

He agreed to obey the Judge.
Like Jason will be soon, he is now in jail awaiting trial

Soon? You've been saying that for over two years.

Cooper entered an agreement with his in-laws. Nothing in it had anything to do with "obeying the judge." :tonguewag:

[MerriMent]

I'm not so sure about that. Posting photographs of that child on a public facebook account (with JY, no doubt not being the most popular guy in the county) could be construed as posing a danger to Cassidy. Big difference between loving maternal family members releasing family photos and videos of a child who was left with her dead mom's body and a slayer using his daughter as a prop for possible dates with internet desperados, imo. Even if Cassidy is not in mortal danger, if half the allegations made in the custody application are true (and I doubt any attorney worth his salt would get his client to swear to lies), Cassidy is in moral danger.

I suggest you familiarize yourself with real facts. There are literally millions of photos of children posted on photobucket and the website does have a TOS.

Jason Young did not publicly identify himself or his child on that page on Photobucket. NC Wanted did that, not Jason Young.

[MerriMent]

Agreement ?

Looks like a court order to me .

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/11/21/4004039/cooper_custody.pdf

That came after Cooper's arrest. You really should read up on the cases and also look up the definition of "Temporary.":thumbsup:

[MerriMent]

Jason, for once, is going to have to answer the questions himself. Mommy or his sisters will not be able to do so. If the Fisher ladies had anything to hide, you'd better believe they wouldn't have instituted this action, imo. If JY has an attorney, he can accompany him for the deposition but Linda and Meredith are not going to be deposed. Jason's lawyers can ask them questions at trial but they will not have carte blanche to turn the hearing into a deposition. If the decision on whether to defend this application was solely left to JY, I think he could concede custody by default but I doubt his mom will let that happen. I bet they will pony up the cash to pay his attorney's fees. JY is probably going to have to talk for the first time now, imo.

I'm curious where you come up with this stuff? No, Jason doesn't have to talk at all and yes, his family can certainly speak. I'd like to hear from CY's therapist as well.

[MerriMent]

Your desperate attempt to spin the latest news is funnier than ever :lol:


No spinning on my part, needed. I predicted Fisher's motivation for the WDS lawsuit was to get control of the life insurance money. Only when she failed to achieve that is she interested in getting control of the child herself.

I love it when I'm RIGHT!!!! :tonguewag:

[Leanne Weich]

I suggest you familiarize yourself with real facts. There are literally millions of photos of children posted on photobucket and the website does have a TOS.

Jason Young did not publicly identify himself or his child on that page on Photobucket. NC Wanted did that, not Jason Young.

This case has been in the news for +2 years now and I'm sure as many crazies as non-crazies could identify JY with no problem. No matter how you slice or dice it, it was not only stupid but a dangerous thing to do. I don't, however, expect you to view it in that light as you are only looking for anything you can use to try to deflect any attention from JY and, even better, if you can blame it on the Fishers, imo.

[Leanne Weich]

I'm curious where you come up with this stuff? No, Jason doesn't have to talk at all and yes, his family can certainly speak. I'd like to hear from CY's therapist as well.

I did say JY can concede custody by not speaking (ie: refusing to be deposed); his family cannot be deposed in his stead; they can, however, give evidence on his behalf if it goes to trial, as can any of Linda and Meredith's friends and/or family. I'd also like to hear fromCY's therapist, unless she is the retired teacher's daughter (as has been alleged on various fora). I'd also like to hear from Michelle's therapist (although that may not happen) as I think it is becoming quite clear why she was seeking help/advice.

[MerriMent]

This case has been in the news for +2 years now and I'm sure as many crazies as non-crazies could identify JY with no problem. No matter how you slice or dice it, it was not only stupid but a dangerous thing to do. I don't, however, expect you to view it in that light as you are only looking for anything you can use to try to deflect any attention from JY and, even better, if you can blame it on the Fishers, imo.

The Fishers are the ones who have publicly posted current photos of the child on the Internet and on news sites, not Jason, so yes I do blame it on the Fishers. It is a very dangerous thing they've done and I have no doubt a Judge will agree with me. In fact, if I were Jason, I would obtain a restraining order.

Jason Young did not publicly identify himself or his child on photobucket. Your accusations that he did so are not supported with real facts.

[MerriMent]

Being in "danger" and being raised by an unfit parent are the same as far as I am concerned.

And by unfit, I am talking about improper environment, lifestyle and questionable upbringing due to the parent's setting unfavorable examples.

There might not be the threat of physical damage, but the emotional damage left by an unfit parent is just as much a danger.

IMO

I've seen no evidence Jason is an unfit parent or that CY is living in an "improper environment"

[Leanne Weich]

leanne, this poster is just looking for some attention...the more negative the better. :rolleyes:

Isn't that the truth and she loves being right. Haven't seen that yet - guess her batting average isn't too good. At least, your sources and research have, largely, been correct.

Can't wait for 4 February, although I guess we'll hear something more long before then. I hope someone is looking out for Cassidy in the interim. I don't trust JY with this hanging over his head. JMHO.

[MerriMent]

I did say JY can concede custody by not speaking (ie: refusing to be deposed); his family cannot be deposed in his stead; they can, however, give evidence on his behalf if it goes to trial, as can any of Linda and Meredith's friends and/or family. I'd also like to hear fromCY's therapist, unless she is the retired teacher's daughter (as has been alleged on various fora). I'd also like to hear from Michelle's therapist (although that may not happen) as I think it is becoming quite clear why she was seeking help/advice.

Have you never heard of parental rights?
Not speaking does not "concede custody." GMAB

[jerzeegirl]

Hi Leanne, being that you seem to know alot about lawsuits and such (and i do appreciate your input here on this board because i dont know too much about the law suits), could you tell me what happens now? Does jason have a time limit like he did with the wds? Or is there a court date already set for a hearing?

[Leanne Weich]

The Fishers are the ones who have publicly posted current photos of the child on the Internet and on news sites, not Jason, so yes I do blame it on the Fishers. It is a very dangerous thing they've done and I have no doubt a Judge will agree with me. In fact, if I were Jason, I would obtain a restraining order.

Jason Young did not publicly identify himself or his child on photobucket. Your accusations that he did so are not supported with real facts.

In a human interest story, almost without exception, photos of the children of the deceased are posted by family members who had nothing to do with the death of the victim. IMO, there's a huge difference between posting family photos as opposed to chick magnet photos. JY will not do anything - don't you know - with the passing of time this is all going to go away - reference his email with Kim. Seems he can't find an internet date on his own merits and needs to exploit his daughter. Linda did not exploit Cassidy. She shared precious memories of her family with her beloved granddaughter. Jason, obviously doesn't have Cassidy's best interests at heart, or he'd have seen to it that she received her presents from her grandma and, if he had a conscience (which I don't believe he has) would have seen Linda got presents from Cassidy on special occasions. IMO, he is as bad as Casey Anthony whose day in Court will come soon enough. Unfortunately, Jason' s day doesn't seem to be coming soon enough.

[jerzeegirl]

No spinning on my part, needed. I predicted Fisher's motivation for the WDS lawsuit was to get control of the life insurance money. Only when she failed to achieve that is she interested in getting control of the child herself. dg

I love it when I'm RIGHT!!!! :tonguewag:

youre kidding right? When LF filed the wds, you said something along the lines that Jason would counter sue. LOL, then when he kept his mouth shut and conceded, you said I knew it, smartest move ever. Then you said a judge would never name jason the slayer and would throw it out. But the judge did name jason the slayer. Then you said no biggie, doesnt mean anything. Then you said , Linda Fisher would never file for custody for Cassidy, you thought no lawyer would ever help her with that. And now she did file for custody.....and has a lawyer.

So, show us again, where you are right.

[kingbuff]

I'm not so sure about that. Posting photographs of that child on a public facebook account (with JY, no doubt not being the most popular guy in the county) could be construed as posing a danger to Cassidy. Big difference between loving maternal family members releasing family photos and videos of a child who was left with her dead mom's body and a slayer using his daughter as a prop for possible dates with internet desperados, imo. Even if Cassidy is not in mortal danger, if half the allegations made in the custody application are true (and I doubt any attorney worth his salt would get his client to swear to lies), Cassidy is in moral danger.

Hi, Leanne. Sorry, honey, but you have been duped. That makes you an innocent dupe, but a dupe nevertheless. I don't think you are actually trying to dupe others. You should direct your anger not at the ones who try to explain the truth but rather at the dupers.

[Leanne Weich]

Have you never heard of parental rights?
Not speaking does not "concede custody." GMAB

If JY fails to attend a psychological evaluation or be deposed, the Judge will, in all likelihood, grant temporary custody to the Fishers which, imo, is as good as conceding temporary custody. According to a lot of you posters, with the WDS, all Jason had to do was ignore it or ask for a dismissal. We all know how that worked out. You've asked numerous times for people to "GMAB" and I've yet to see how that has worked for you. Maybe you need to read up on legal requirements that you fail to respond to when an action is instituted against a defendant?

[MerriMent]

If JY fails to attend a psychological evaluation or be deposed, the Judge will, in all likelihood, grant temporary custody to the Fishers which, imo, is as good as conceding temporary custody. According to a lot of you posters, with the WDS, all Jason had to do was ignore it or ask for a dismissal. We all know how that worked out. You've asked numerous times for people to "GMAB" and I've yet to see how that has worked for you. Maybe you need to read up on legal requirements that you fail to respond to when an action is instituted against a defendant?

Instead of lecturing me with your wishful thinking, I suggest you read up on this country's parental rights. The court hasn't ordered a psychological evaluation.

[Leanne Weich]

Have you never heard of parental rights?
Not speaking does not "concede custody." GMAB

Damn, I'd typed a reply but lost it. Let's try again.

No, his parental rights wont be removed at a temporary custody hearing. Maybe I needed to spell it out for you. As we are talking about temp. custody, I thought that was a given.

Like the WDS that a lot of you thought would go nowhere if he failed to respond or filed an outright denial, we all know what happened. If JY fails to respond to this Application and/or be deposed, he will in all likelihood in the former instance, lose the Application outright and, if he fails to attend a deposition, when so ordered, he can be held in Contempt of Court. This is all in Jason's hands now and Mommy can talk all she wants, but this is one situation, she cannot handle on JY's behalf, imo.

[Leanne Weich]

Hi Leanne, being that you seem to know alot about lawsuits and such (and i do appreciate your input here on this board because i dont know too much about the law suits), could you tell me what happens now? Does jason have a time limit like he did with the wds? Or is there a court date already set for a hearing?

As my experience with the law pertains to South Africa and Australia and quite a bit of research on NC law as a result of this case, as I understand it, Linda's attorney will set up (or attempt to) a deposition to be taken from JY at which his attorney can be present. Linda, Meredith and her attorney will also be present. If JY fails to attend the deposition, LF can bring an application to court ordering him to attend and if he again fails he can be cited for contempt of court. The hearing for the temp. custody application is 02.04.09 and, providing JY has complied with the deposition, he and LF and MF can call witnesses and/or file Affidavits in support of their position. Jason can plead the 5th at the deposition but that cannot be used against him in any future criminal trial.

[Leanne Weich]

Hi, Leanne. Sorry, honey, but you have been duped. That makes you an innocent dupe, but a dupe nevertheless. I don't think you are actually trying to dupe others. You should direct your anger not at the ones who try to explain the truth but rather at the dupers.

I have never tried to dupe anyone (innocently or on purpose) and obviously, it is subjective as to whom one believes. My sources have been 99.5% right on everything and, by the way, please refrain from calling me honey.

[jerzeegirl]

ty leanne :)

[MerriMent]

In a human interest story, almost without exception, photos of the children of the deceased are posted by family members who had nothing to do with the death of the victim. IMO, there's a huge difference between posting family photos as opposed to chick magnet photos. JY will not do anything - don't you know - with the passing of time this is all going to go away - reference his email with Kim. Seems he can't find an internet date on his own merits and needs to exploit his daughter. Linda did not exploit Cassidy. She shared precious memories of her family with her beloved granddaughter. Jason, obviously doesn't have Cassidy's best interests at heart, or he'd have seen to it that she received her presents from her grandma and, if he had a conscience (which I don't believe he has) would have seen Linda got presents from Cassidy on special occasions. IMO, he is as bad as Casey Anthony whose day in Court will come soon enough. Unfortunately, Jason' s day doesn't seem to be coming soon enough.

fyi: not all the media covering this case have run photos of the minor child for reasons both copyright and privacy. Jason has never identified himself or his daughter on the Internet nor has he used the Internet or the news media to display his daughter's photo. That's fact.

imo, the only similarity between this case and the Anthony case are maternal grandmothers who are controlling and delusional.

[Leanne Weich]

He will forfeit Cassidy if it buys him more free time.
Can you imagine how miserable his life is :blink:

I hear he has been hanging out in Tenn where he is hiding under a raft. :cool:

I hope the raft springs a leak and sinks on top of him - hopefully it is a heavy raft. In case you haven't noticed, I despise this man. Even if he didn't kill Michelle, which I don't believe, his behaviour has been despicable, imo.

[MerriMent]

As my experience with the law pertains to South Africa and Australia and quite a bit of research on NC law as a result of this case, as I understand it, Linda's attorney will set up (or attempt to) a deposition to be taken from JY at which his attorney can be present. Linda, Meredith and her attorney will also be present. If JY fails to attend the deposition, LF can bring an application to court ordering him to attend and if he again fails he can be cited for contempt of court. The hearing for the temp. custody application is 02.04.09 and, providing JY has complied with the deposition, he and LF and MF can call witnesses and/or file Affidavits in support of their position. Jason can plead the 5th at the deposition but that cannot be used against him in any future criminal trial.

You really need to read up on custody and parental rights.

[Leanne Weich]

fyi: not all the media covering this case have run photos of the minor child for reasons both copyright and privacy. Jason has never identified himself or his daughter on the Internet nor has he used the Internet or the news media to display his daughter's photo. That's fact.

imo, the only similarity between this case and the Anthony case are maternal grandmothers who are controlling and delusional.

Nearly (if not all) newspapers I've seen have carried photos of Michelle and Cassidy (probably photos that are Linda's personal property) and, as stated before, Jason didn't need to identify himself. By his own actions he is easily identifiable to most anyone who has an interest in this case or in crime in general and, I'd hazard a guess, there are very few people in NC who wouldn't recognise him.

I'd say the similarity between grandmothers is Cindy Anthony and Pat Young have far more in common than LF and CA. LF is fighting for the truth to come out whereas PY and CA are doing their best to protect their offspring with no thought being given to a granddaughter they should put first. Guess we see that scenario very differently, but that is okay too.

[alter ego]

I did say JY can concede custody by not speaking (ie: refusing to be deposed); his family cannot be deposed in his stead; they can, however, give evidence on his behalf if it goes to trial, as can any of Linda and Meredith's friends and/or family. I'd also like to hear fromCY's therapist, unless she is the retired teacher's daughter (as has been alleged on various fora). I'd also like to hear from Michelle's therapist (although that may not happen) as I think it is becoming quite clear why she was seeking help/advice.Under what authority would Linda or Meredith have to depose Jason in a custody hearing?

[Leanne Weich]

You really need to read up on custody and parental rights.

It's all academic right now as only time will tell whose understanding of this Application is right or wrong. I'll put my money on my theory rather than yours though.

[kingbuff]

In a human interest story, almost without exception, photos of the children of the deceased are posted by family members who had nothing to do with the death of the victim. IMO, there's a huge difference between posting family photos as opposed to chick magnet photos. JY will not do anything - don't you know - with the passing of time this is all going to go away - reference his email with Kim. Seems he can't find an internet date on his own merits and needs to exploit his daughter. Linda did not exploit Cassidy. She shared precious memories of her family with her beloved granddaughter. Jason, obviously doesn't have Cassidy's best interests at heart, or he'd have seen to it that she received her presents from her grandma and, if he had a conscience (which I don't believe he has) would have seen Linda got presents from Cassidy on special occasions. IMO, he is as bad as Casey Anthony whose day in Court will come soon enough. Unfortunately, Jason' s day doesn't seem to be coming soon enough.

Ooops. I was wrong. Sorry about that, Leanne. You have been so thoroughly duped you have become a duper. Everything in your post is wrong and designed to dupe the innocent. Keep trying. The ones who can think will see through you. By the way, you are no longer a honey.

[Cardinal]

Jason had his lover living in his and Michelle's home???????????????

OMG

[Cardinal]

It's all academic right now as only time will tell whose understanding of this Application is right or wrong. I'll put my money on my theory rather than yours though.

I'll put my money on your theory over MerriMent's any day, Leanne.

Good to see you, and I hope you're well?

[kingbuff]

You already proved that your 'legal knowledge' is lacking when you spammed the board after the wrongful death suit was filed.

This is an answer to a question? Sorry, I don't have an answer either, Alter Ego.

[Cardinal]

~snipped~

The ones who can think will see through you.

I think this is called transference.

[alter ego]

As my experience with the law pertains to South Africa and Australia and quite a bit of research on NC law as a result of this case, as I understand it, Linda's attorney will set up (or attempt to) a deposition to be taken from JY at which his attorney can be present. Linda, Meredith and her attorney will also be present. If JY fails to attend the deposition, LF can bring an application to court ordering him to attend and if he again fails he can be cited for contempt of court. The hearing for the temp. custody application is 02.04.09 and, providing JY has complied with the deposition, he and LF and MF can call witnesses and/or file Affidavits in support of their position. Jason can plead the 5th at the deposition but that cannot be used against him in any future criminal trial.Where are you getting that the plaintiffs have the right to depose the defendant in a custody hearing?

[Leanne Weich]

I'll put my money on your theory over MerriMent's any day, Leanne.

Good to see you, and I hope you're well?

Thanks Card - much better after having an aortic aneurysm clipped yesterday. Hopefully I will now live to see this matter brought to resolution.

[Cardinal]

Thanks Card - much better after having an aortic aneurysm clipped yesterday. Hopefully I will now live to see this matter brought to resolution.

I hope so too, Leanne. Very much.

And here I thought this case would go dormant over the holidays. Doesn't look like it, does it? Linda and Meredith have filed for custody. And from what I know about their attorney, he wouldn't have taken the case unless he thought he had a good shot at winning it.

JMO

[annalyzer]

I hope so too, Leanne. Very much.

And here I thought this case would go dormant over the holidays. Doesn't look like it, does it? Linda and Meredith have filed for custody. And from what I know about their attorney, he wouldn't have taken the case unless he thought he had a good shot at winning it.

JMO


News in the case?? Gotta go read!

[Cardinal]

News in the case?? Gotta go read!

Big news, Anna. Hurry back!

[Cardinal]

From the N&O:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1339814.html

"Cassidy's aunt and grandmother also accuse Young of having multiple affairs with different women while his wife was alive and allowing one woman to stay at the couple's home in Raleigh's Enchanted Oaks subdivision. The Fishers also believe Young brought the unnamed woman to Cassidy's day care several times."

If this is true, well................Okay, I don't bash. But I am reeeeally tempted at the moment.

[achristie]

fyi: not all the media covering this case have run photos of the minor child for reasons both copyright and privacy. Jason has never identified himself or his daughter on the Internet nor has he used the Internet or the news media to display his daughter's photo. That's fact.

imo, the only similarity between this case and the Anthony case are maternal grandmothers who are controlling and delusional.

Ach. Baloney. You have criticized every media outlet , LE, and anyone else who has posted anything that implicates the husband. That's fact.

MOO Aggie

[achristie]

Jason had his lover living in his and Michelle's home???????????????

OMG

YEP ! Ain't that a kicker?

MOO Aggie

[Leanne Weich]

Leanne, since you seem to be the only poster around here with any real knowledge on civil law, wonder if the motion to require the psychological evaluation will be ruled on during the 2-4-09 hearing ?

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/19/4172400/Fisher_custody_complaint_against_Jason_Young.pdf

I haven't had time to research NC law on this point but I know in cases I've dealt with, in the complaint we nominated a psychologist/psychiatrist and tried to reach consensus with the other side. If, however the OS refused to go ahead, we could bring an application on the expiry of the 30 days to get a ruling which is often when a defendant fails to comply. I can't wait to see what Linda has used in support of her application. Jason will really be shooting himself in the foot if he doesn't respond. Judges generally take a very dim view of defendants who don't co-operate in custody (even temp. ones) cases and it would definitely be in JY's best interests to do all that is required of him. If, however, he thinks he can fool the psychological tests, he's in for a big surprise.

[Leanne Weich]

Under what authority would Linda or Meredith have to depose Jason in a custody hearing?

As I said previously, I have worked as a para-legal for 25 years and have researched some, not all, NC law and was going by what we did in South Africa and in Australia. That may not be the norm. but, IIRC, Brad Cooper was deposed for 7 hours. I stand to be corrected though.

[Cardinal]

YEP ! Ain't that a kicker?

MOO Aggie

Yeah, it is. Having an affair with your wife's best friend is bad enough. But cheating on your wife AND your mistress, AND in the home you share with your wife...........I'm sorry, there are no words.

At least not any I can post here.

JMO


P.S. You think MM feels like an idiot?

[Leanne Weich]

YEP ! Ain't that a kicker?

MOO Aggie

Really shows a parent with a good moral compass for bringing up an impressionable female child, don't you think. :biggrin:

[achristie]

Thanks Card - much better after having an aortic aneurysm clipped yesterday. Hopefully I will now live to see this matter brought to resolution.

Lord have mercy! Clipping aortic aneurysms is now one day surgery? Yes, you will live to see justice being served in this case. My best to you, Leanne , during this holiday season.

Just to keep things on topic. Where do you think Mr.JY is at present?
Is he with Mom in NC?
Is he in Tenn. as rumored?
Is his sweet, little girl by his side?

All JMHO, as always Aggie

[achristie]

I hope so too, Leanne. Very much.

And here I thought this case would go dormant over the holidays. Doesn't look like it, does it? Linda and Meredith have filed for custody. And from what I know about their attorney, he wouldn't have taken the case unless he thought he had a good shot at winning it.

JMO

Really? Tell us what you know about their atty. We are informed about the judge because of Brad Cooper.

[alter ego]

From the N&O:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1339814.html

"Cassidy's aunt and grandmother also accuse Young of having multiple affairs with different women while his wife was alive and allowing one woman to stay at the couple's home in Raleigh's Enchanted Oaks subdivision. The Fishers also believe Young brought the unnamed woman to Cassidy's day care several times."

If this is true, well................Okay, I don't bash. But I am reeeeally tempted at the moment.While appalling, how is that clear and convincing evidence that Jason is an unfit parent?

[achristie]

I haven't had time to research NC law on this point but I know in cases I've dealt with, in the complaint we nominated a psychologist/psychiatrist and tried to reach consensus with the other side. If, however the OS refused to go ahead, we could bring an application on the expiry of the 30 days to get a ruling which is often when a defendant fails to comply. I can't wait to see what Linda has used in support of her application. Jason will really be shooting himself in the foot if he doesn't respond. Judges generally take a very dim view of defendants who don't co-operate in custody (even temp. ones) cases and it would definitely be in JY's best interests to do all that is required of him. If, however, he thinks he can fool the psychological tests, he's in for a big surprise.


So he will be forced to speak and give testimony?

[annalyzer]

Yeah, it is. Having an affair with your wife's best friend is bad enough. But cheating on your wife AND your mistress, AND in the home you share with your wife...........I'm sorry, there are no words.

At least not any I can post here.

JMO


P.S. You think MM feels like an idiot?


Feels like one? Sorry but I have much worse terms to describe that woman. :unsure:

[alter ego]

As I said previously, I have worked as a para-legal for 25 years and have researched some, not all, NC law and was going by what we did in South Africa and in Australia. That may not be the norm. but, IIRC, Brad Cooper was deposed for 7 hours. I stand to be corrected though.Ah yes, I believe he was - I'm not actively following that case. I'm questioning your understanding of NC law because a couple I know just went thru bitter custody and neither one deposed the other. They had to respond to interrogatories tho.

:shrug:

[Leanne Weich]

Ah yes, I believe he was - I'm not actively following that case. I'm questioning your understanding of NC law because a couple I know just went thru bitter custody and neither one deposed the other. They had to respond to interrogatories tho.

:shrug:

Probably as a result of a divorce - or maybe a variation of a custody order where neither parent had sufficient evidence of instability to require psychological investigations, imo.

[achristie]

Feels like one? Sorry but I have much worse terms to describe that woman. :unsure:

It's sounding as though there may be a few more to add to the list, Anna.
All that wasted chatter. All those wasted pages. Was it an affair? Horrors, oh no, God forbid? Was it a romantic relationship? Horrors, oh no, God forbid? Was it just internet rumor? Absolutely! That's what it was ! Darn tootin'! Well, guess what folks ? Twasn't one but a few more. A beautiful home, beautiful wife, beautiful daughter, yet still unsatisfied. He took the road to final satisfaction. Get rid of it all.

MOO Aggie

[Leanne Weich]

So he will be forced to speak and give testimony?

AFAIK, he can't be forced to talk, however, if he is ordered by the Court to subject himself to psychological testing and fails to do so, he can be charged with contempt of court which would likely not subject him to a prison sentence but a large fine. Nobody can force him to talk but, not doing so, would almost certainly ensure the Fishers prevailing at trial. Judge Sasser is not someone to take lightly imo.

[Leanne Weich]

Really? Tell us what you know about their atty. We are informed about the judge because of Brad Cooper.

I don't know anything personally about their attorney but did read up some this a.m. and seems to be the cream of the crop in family law. If I get a chance a bit later, I'll try to find some of the articles I read.

I haven't had time to research, but did find these links on another site. Admittedly, I haven't read them yet but I also haven't read anything bad either.


http://wakefamilylawgroup.com/nc-divorce-lawyers/att_schilawski.html

http://wakefamilylawgroup.com/nc-divorce-lawyers/att_king.html

[achristie]

I don't know anything personally about their attorney but did read up some this a.m. and seems to be the cream of the crop in family law. If I get a chance a bit later, I'll try to find some of the articles I read.

Thank you, dear. I believe it was Card who posted about it.

[annalyzer]

From the N&O:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1339814.html

"Cassidy's aunt and grandmother also accuse Young of having multiple affairs with different women while his wife was alive and allowing one woman to stay at the couple's home in Raleigh's Enchanted Oaks subdivision. The Fishers also believe Young brought the unnamed woman to Cassidy's day care several times."

If this is true, well................Okay, I don't bash. But I am reeeeally tempted at the moment.


First we've heard about the woman staying at their house. Wonder why Michelle allowed it? Was this woman a friend of hers or Jason?

[Leanne Weich]

First we've heard about the woman staying at their house. Wonder why Michelle allowed it? Was this woman a friend of hers or Jason?

Seeing as Jason didn't seem to be too fussy with the relationship between MM and MY, guess anything is possible. I guess we have our answer now as to why MY was seeing a therapist.

[achristie]

First we've heard about the woman staying at their house. Wonder why Michelle allowed it? Was this woman a friend of hers or Jason?

Maybe because she had no clue? I think it was an old friend of Jason's?
I like the way you phrased the question "why would Michelle allow it ?"
Sounds to me as though Michelle had little say in what he did.
I could be all wrong about that, though.


MOO Aggie

[annalyzer]

Big news, Anna. Hurry back!

Unbelievable that the Young's returned that childs Christmas gifts from her grandmother. That infuriates me. And I blame Jason's mother as much as him because she could've influenced him to do different.

[annalyzer]

Maybe because she had no clue? I think it was an old friend of Jason's?
I like the way you phrased the question "why would Michelle allow it ?"
Sounds to me as though Michelle had little say in what he did.
I could be all wrong about that, though.


MOO Aggie


I wonder how the Fisher's found out about this woman staying there and Jason having an affair with her?

Maybe Michelle finally did put her foot down and that's when Jason killed her.

[achristie]

Unbelievable that the Young's returned that childs Christmas gifts from her grandmother. That infuriates me. And I blame Jason's mother as much as him because she could've influenced him to do different.

Yes. It is unbelievable. We heard this a year ago. It was classified as rumor. Lo and behold it turns out to be factual! I have mixed emotions about his mother. She truly is caught between a rock and a hard place. I would hate to be in her shoes.

MOO Aggie

[Cardinal]

Unbelievable that the Young's returned that childs Christmas gifts from her grandmother. That infuriates me. And I blame Jason's mother as much as him because she could've influenced him to do different.

Me too, Anna. I know there have been rumors, but it seems the rumors have a factual basis. Can you say, cruel?

As for "that woman" and the "other woman" and the man who entertained them all, I could definitely get in trouble for posting what I think. I will say, however, for all parties concerned:

POND SCUM :cursing:

JMO

[achristie]

I wonder how the Fisher's found out about this woman staying there and Jason having an affair with her?

Maybe Michelle finally did put her foot down and that's when Jason killed her.

From what I have garnered it must be documented in affidavits. I do think that there was trouble in paradise. I'm blown away that all these sordid details that were said to be internet rumors are coming to light as real happenings. How much MY knew is anyone's guess at present. We shall see.

MOO Aggie

[annalyzer]

Yes. It is unbelievable. We heard this a year ago. It was classified as rumor. Lo and behold it turns out to be factual! I have mixed emotions about his mother. She truly is caught between a rock and a hard place. I would hate to be in her shoes.

MOO Aggie


We've been hearing a lot of things now for two years. I believed it when I heard it but to see it on an official document makes it more real to me. But if you want to get technical just because it is allegated in that document does not make it a fact.

[annalyzer]

Me too, Anna. I know there have been rumors, but it seems the rumors have a factual basis. Can you say, cruel?

As for "that woman" and the "other woman" and the man who entertained them all, I could definitely get in trouble for posting what I think. I will say, however, for all parties concerned:

POND SCUM :cursing:

JMO


Poor Michelle. :sad:

[Cardinal]

Poor Michelle. :sad:

Indeed. She and Cassidy and Rylan deserved so much better. IMO

:sad:

[kingbuff]

It's sounding as though there may be a few more to add to the list, Anna.
All that wasted chatter. All those wasted pages. Was it an affair? Horrors, oh no, God forbid? Was it a romantic relationship? Horrors, oh no, God forbid? Was it just internet rumor? Absolutely! That's what it was ! Darn tootin'! Well, guess what folks ? Twasn't one but a few more. A beautiful home, beautiful wife, beautiful daughter, yet still unsatisfied. He took the road to final satisfaction. Get rid of it all.

MOO Aggie

Hi, Agatha. Somehow, I missed all that chatter. I remember some posters questioning the gossip about MM but not denying anything. Darn tootin'! Is that what you mean?

[MerriMent]

Under what authority would Linda or Meredith have to depose Jason in a custody hearing?

None. This was just a publicity stunt after the WDS failed to get her control of the life insurance $$$$.

[caffeinated]

None. This was just a publicity stunt after the WDS failed to get her control of the life insurance $$$$.

is that fact or your opinion? Do you have a link to it being a publicity stunt?

[MerriMent]

is that fact or your opinion? Do you have a link to it being a publicity stunt?

Can't link to what I've heard.

[MerriMent]

I was thinking the same thing. We only have allegations not proved yet. I guess the witnesses will be old friends of MY and JY's. I'm waiting now for the other shoe to fall. You know we heard a lot about LF will there be reports now on that? Also MF will we now see that whats been posted is factual? Could get really dirty.

Yep but Fisher has only herself to blame. I think the real shock will be to Fisher's attorneys when her own parenting is under the spotlight.

:thumbsup:

[kingbuff]

I was thinking the same thing. We only have allegations not proved yet. I guess the witnesses will be old friends of MY and JY's. I'm waiting now for the other shoe to fall. You know we heard a lot about LF will there be reports now on that? Also MF will we now see that whats been posted is factual? Could get really dirty.

Hi, Confused. Like you, I've seen what was posted about Linda and Meredith. Will we finally get to see what is true and what is rumor? Looked at another way, it will be an opportunity for the Fishers to clear their names and reputations. Looking forward to it.

[annalyzer]

Hi, Confused. Like you, I've seen what was posted about Linda and Meredith. Will we finally get to see what is true and what is rumor? Looked at another way, it will be an opportunity for the Fishers to clear their names and reputations. Looking forward to it.

You think Jason will fight this custody suit, fight to keep his daughter?

[Jester]

Hi, Agatha. Somehow, I missed all that chatter. I remember some posters questioning the gossip about MM but not denying anything. Darn tootin'! Is that what you mean?

You're lucky if you missed the weeks of discussion about whether romantic relationship meant romantic relationship, or whether it meant a relationship based on nothing more than friendship. Round and round it went, often going so far as to question whether media could be relied upon as a valid source, or whether someone had to dig deeper.

The bottom line is that it was argued, for pages, that it was not a romantic relationship. We know now, without doubt, that it was adultery.

[jerry50]

Yes. It is unbelievable. We heard this a year ago. It was classified as rumor. Lo and behold it turns out to be factual! I have mixed emotions about his mother. She truly is caught between a rock and a hard place. I would hate to be in her shoes.

MOO Aggie

I wonder if Linda kept the returned packages as they were--with someone's handwriting on the package saying "refused". If it were Pat's handwriting she may be called in to ask why she was so hateful to the Fisher's.

[kingbuff]

You think Jason will fight this custody suit, fight to keep his daughter?

I think the fishers will be sorry someone talked them into this foolish action.

[jerry50]

You're lucky if you missed the weeks of discussion about whether romantic relationship meant romantic relationship, or whether it meant a relationship based on nothing more than friendship. Round and round it went, often going so far as to question whether media could be relied upon as a valid source, or whether someone had to dig deeper.

The bottom line is that it was argued, for pages, that it was not a romantic relationship. We know now, without doubt, that it was adultery.

Not only was it adultery in regards to sleeping with MM but he was such a lowlife he was also cheating on her.

[annalyzer]

I think the fishers will be sorry someone talked them into this foolish action.


You thought the same thing about the WDS. And they won.

[kingbuff]

I wonder if Linda kept the returned packages as they were--with someone's handwriting on the package saying "refused". If it were Pat's handwriting she may be called in to ask why she was so hateful to the Fisher's.

Hi, Jerry. A man after my own heart. Ask the question. Pat would love to answer.

[Jester]

Yep but Fisher has only herself to blame. I think the real shock will be to Fisher's attorneys when her own parenting is under the spotlight.

:thumbsup:

I think Michelle is the best example of Linda's parenting. Linda should be proud of her parenting skills.

[jerry50]

I think the fishers will be sorry someone talked them into this foolish action.


Let us know how it goes when they are sitting at the table when you are deposed...under oath.

[Jester]

I think the fishers will be sorry someone talked them into this foolish action.

Suppose no one talked them into anything. Suppose they are genuinely concerned about Cassidy's emotional and physical well-being.

Wouldn't you be concerned if you had a 4 year old granddaughter living in a house with a man that practiced indecent exposure for kicks?

[kingbuff]

You thought the same thing about the WDS. And they won.

They won nothing Jason wasn't willing for them to win. The money is vitally important to Linda and, strangely, to some posters. Jason has always said it is Cassie's money. The way it has turned out so far, Linda cannot get her hands on the money. Is that a win?

Now that she has failed to get the money outright, Linda is trying to get Cassie so she can control the money. But every penny she spends of that money would have to be approved by a judge. Would that be a win?

In addition, Linda and Meredith will have their backgrounds investigated and reported to the court. Is that a win? I doubt it.

[kingbuff]

Suppose no one talked them into anything. Suppose they are genuinely concerned about Cassidy's emotional and physical well-being.

Wouldn't you be concerned if you had a 4 year old granddaughter living in a house with a man that practiced indecent exposure for kicks?

You mean he got drunk at a party once and did something stupid while under the influence? Don't talk like that. You'll have millions of adults running for the border with their kids to escape social services officers.

[Jester]

You mean he got drunk at a party once and did something stupid while under the influence? Don't talk like that. You'll have millions of adults running for the border with their kids to escape social services officers.

You may prefer to look at it as an innocent drunk man stripping naked and sitting on a couch during a party. I would look at it as having some serious issues surrounding his sexuality if he's exposing himself drunk or sober.

[annalyzer]

They won nothing Jason wasn't willing for them to win. The money is vitally important to Linda and, strangely, to some posters. Jason has always said it is Cassie's money. The way it has turned out so far, Linda cannot get her hands on the money. Is that a win?

Now that she has failed to get the money outright, Linda is trying to get Cassie so she can control the money. But every penny she spends of that money would have to be approved by a judge. Would that be a win?

In addition, Linda and Meredith will have their backgrounds investigated and reported to the court. Is that a win? I doubt it.


Well gee king do you think being named the slayer of your wife is a win?

[BSNBREVARDNC]

You may prefer to look at it as an innocent drunk man stripping naked and sitting on a couch during a party. I would look at it as having some serious issues surrounding his sexuality if he's exposing himself drunk or sober.

"Indecent exposure laws in most states make it a crime to purposefully display one's genitals in public, causing others to be alarmed or offended. Indecent exposure is often committed for the sexual gratification of the offender, and may reach the level of a sexual assault if any physical contact is made.

More Information: Sex Offenders and Sex Offenses"

http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/indecent_exposure.html

[jerry50]

Hi, Jerry. A man after my own heart. Ask the question. Pat would love to answer.

I don't think you understand. There is no credible answer that Pat could give the judge on why she returned gifts that were sent to a motherless 3 year old child. The answer you are alluding to will be more of a statement on her own capabilities rather than on others. Also she will be under oath and I am sure she can be recalled for rebuttals.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

I don't think you understand. There is no credible answer that Pat could give the judge on why she returned gifts that were sent to a motherless 3 year old child. The answer you are alluding to will be more of a statement on her own capabilities rather than on others. Also she will be under oath and I am sure she can be recalled for rebuttals.

The judge is going to want to hear from Pat’s son.

[jerry50]

They won nothing Jason wasn't willing for them to win. The money is vitally important to Linda and, strangely, to some posters. Jason has always said it is Cassie's money. The way it has turned out so far, Linda cannot get her hands on the money. Is that a win?

Now that she has failed to get the money outright, Linda is trying to get Cassie so she can control the money. But every penny she spends of that money would have to be approved by a judge. Would that be a win?

In addition, Linda and Meredith will have their backgrounds investigated and reported to the court. Is that a win? I doubt it.

Are you saying that JY will be responding to the custody suit? Otherwise there is no one that has the legal right to investigate their backgrounds. Besides, I don't remember that Nancy Cooper's parents and sister were investigated.
JY has already been named as the slayer of his wife. How much worse do you think anyone else could be?

[MerriMent]

You think Jason will fight this custody suit, fight to keep his daughter?

Won't be much of a fight on Jason's part. NC Supreme Court has already established case law in his favor.

[MerriMent]

You may prefer to look at it as an innocent drunk man stripping naked and sitting on a couch during a party. I would look at it as having some serious issues surrounding his sexuality if he's exposing himself drunk or sober.

If the drunk man wasn't exhibiting himself to children or in a public place, what's the crime?

[MerriMent]

They won nothing Jason wasn't willing for them to win. The money is vitally important to Linda and, strangely, to some posters. Jason has always said it is Cassie's money. The way it has turned out so far, Linda cannot get her hands on the money. Is that a win?

Now that she has failed to get the money outright, Linda is trying to get Cassie so she can control the money. But every penny she spends of that money would have to be approved by a judge. Would that be a win?

In addition, Linda and Meredith will have their backgrounds investigated and reported to the court. Is that a win? I doubt it.

The money has been stated to be Jason's motive for the murder yet the only one who has made several plays for it now is his MIL. The only hope she has is if Jason is prosecuted for Michelle's murder and she gets custody. If she wasn't on the suspect list, imo, she should be.

[MerriMent]

I don't think you understand. There is no credible answer that Pat could give the judge on why she returned gifts that were sent to a motherless 3 year old child. The answer you are alluding to will be more of a statement on her own capabilities rather than on others. Also she will be under oath and I am sure she can be recalled for rebuttals.

I don't think you understand that the courts don't get involved in petty gift disputes between parents and estranged family.

[MerriMent]

Well gee king do you think being named the slayer of your wife is a win?

What has JY lost as a result of it?

[BSNBREVARDNC]

If the drunk man wasn't exhibiting himself to children or in a public place, what's the crime?

How about this one.....

Indecent Exposure (14-190.9)
Any person who shall willfully expose the private parts of his or her person in any public place and in the presence of any other person ... of the opposite sex ... shall be guilty.

Classification: Class 2 Misdemeanor (6 months and/or $500)

(http://www.ncsu.edu/police/Information/NCLaw.html)

:tonguewag:

[Leanne Weich]

You got that right, Anna.

MM is just as much to blame as Jason for wanting to be together and only thinking of themselves.

Kat

Exra marital liaisons are, by their very nature, selfish acts. It is not unheard of for husbands to sleep with their wife's friend/s and vice versa.

[Jester]

"Indecent exposure laws in most states make it a crime to purposefully display one's genitals in public, causing others to be alarmed or offended. Indecent exposure is often committed for the sexual gratification of the offender, and may reach the level of a sexual assault if any physical contact is made.

More Information: Sex Offenders and Sex Offenses"

http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/indecent_exposure.html

Thank you. That, in itself, is sufficient reason to move Cassidy to a more suitable home environment.

[Jester]

If the drunk man wasn't exhibiting himself to children or in a public place, what's the crime?

Excuse me?

Do you think indecent exposure is only a crime, or offensive, when it involves a child? The man was at someone's party. I'm sure many people were offended.

[Jester]

I don't think you understand that the courts don't get involved in petty gift disputes between parents and estranged family.

I don't think you understand the nature of custody assessment.

[Leanne Weich]

They won nothing Jason wasn't willing for them to win. The money is vitally important to Linda and, strangely, to some posters. Jason has always said it is Cassie's money. The way it has turned out so far, Linda cannot get her hands on the money. Is that a win?

Now that she has failed to get the money outright, Linda is trying to get Cassie so she can control the money. But every penny she spends of that money would have to be approved by a judge. Would that be a win?

In addition, Linda and Meredith will have their backgrounds investigated and reported to the court. Is that a win? I doubt it.

Linda was very clever in bringing this suit to ensure JY can't find a way of getting his grubby paws on Cassidy's money. Linda never asked for contol of the money.That, imo, is a huge win. All JY had to do was act true to form and not hold a job and whoever was administering the funds, would have given him handouts for Cassidy's benefit.

Any family lawyer would have explained to both Linda and Meredith that to proceed with TC would possibly leave them open to their lives being placed scrutiny and, I dare say, if any skeletons were rattling around, they'd have thought twice about it. Don't be surprised if one of the supporting affidavits is for psychological profiles of both LF and MF. We used to do that routinely. All the rumors about Linda and Meredith have come to naught so far. They have behave like the epitome of ladies, unlike certain other family members I could mention. As far as speculation about the reasons for Alan and Linda's divorce, Alan didn't waste a lot of time remarrying a much younger woman which does give me pause to think of what the reason could be. Did he trade Linda in for a newer model? That, by the way, is my speculation and I'm certainly not trying to pass it off as fact. BTW, I know someone will bring up that he is dead and we shouldn't discuss him but MY is also dead yet a bit upthread someone wondered why MY let one of JY's paramours stay with them. One and the same, imo.

[Leanne Weich]

Won't be much of a fight on Jason's part. NC Supreme Court has already established case law in his favor.

Judge Sasser just set precedent for removing children from the custody of a non-incarcerated husband of a murder victim who has not been called a slayer. Unfortunately for JY, he's got the same Judge. He can appeal her decision if it goes in the Fisher's favor but, as we all know, JY either doesn't like talking or lost his voice +2 years ago. Is this the same kind of fight you predicted with the WDS - you know, the brilliant legal manouvre?

[Cardinal]

I've been reading the NC custody statutes and found this interesting:

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapter_50A/GS_50A-310.pdf

"(c) If a party called to testify refuses to answer on the ground that the testimony may be self incriminating, the court may draw an adverse inference from the refusal."

If I understand this correctly, pleading the 5th will not help Jason in the custody case.

JMO

[Cardinal]

What has JY lost as a result of it?

Apparently, the ability to get a job. According to the custody suit, he was fired in September and is currently unemployed.

[on the go]

Apparently, the ability to get a job. According to the custody suit, he was fired in September and is currently unemployed.


add in friends, reputation and self-respect.

[Cardinal]

add in friends, reputation and self-respect.

Based upon some of the allegations in the custody suit, I'm not sure the last 2 are biggies for him.

JMO

[on the go]

Based upon some of the allegations in the custody suit, I'm not sure the last 2 are biggies for him.

JMO

Perhaps you are right, Cardinal. In order to know their value, you have to possess them first.

[annalyzer]

What has JY lost as a result of it?

Family good name and reputation. And now most likely his beloved daughter.

[annalyzer]

snip~ BTW, I know someone will bring up that he is dead and we shouldn't discuss him but MY is also dead yet a bit upthread someone wondered why MY let one of JY's paramours stay with them. One and the same, imo.


Uh that would be me and yes since this is the first we've heard of this I did wonder why Michelle allowed this woman to stay in her home, unless of course she was Michelle's so called friend (like MM) and Michelle was clueless as to the ongoing affair.

I still would like to know how the Fisher's know about the woman staying at the home and the affair. Did either of them know about it while it was happening and not tell Michelle?

Like someone said earlier, this could get ugly.

[kingbuff]

Perhaps you are right, Cardinal. In order to know their value, you have to possess them first.

And here's more advice: I've found I can increase friends, reputation, and self-respect by criticizing others. Hint: this works best when the person I criticize is someone I don't know personally and who is not available to answer me. See? It's worked for me already.

[on the go]

And here's more advice: I've found I can increase friends, reputation, and self-respect by criticizing others. Hint: this works best when the person I criticize is someone I don't know personally and who is not available to answer me. See? It's worked for me already.

By your postings, both past and present about the Fishers, I can see where this has worked for you.

[Silsbee]

Uh that would be me and yes since this is the first we've heard of this I did wonder why Michelle allowed this woman to stay in her home, unless of course she was Michelle's so called friend (like MM) and Michelle was clueless as to the ongoing affair.

I still would like to know how the Fisher's know about the woman staying at the home and the affair. Did either of them know about it while it was happening and not tell Michelle?

Like someone said earlier, this could get ugly.

Hi Anna, My first thought is she came forward after Michelle's death but if this is the same woman he later had a relationship; would she have come forward and then started a relationship knowing all that she knew about him?

If all of the allegations are true and with all of this bad behavior just before Michelle's murder I am again wondering who acts this way while planning to kill their wife?

If this wasn't real life it would start to sound like a really bad soap opera.

Sils

[BSNBREVARDNC]

And here's more advice: I've found I can increase friends, reputation, and self-respect by criticizing others. Hint: this works best when the person I criticize is someone I don't know personally and who is not available to answer me. See? It's worked for me already.

Here’s more advice. Don’t lie because your lies will catch up to you. Like when we were told by you that the story about Jason getting drunk at the party and taking off all his clothes was false. Turns out it’s true. The same goes for the p-tricks.

I wonder how many other false claims you have made in order to steer people away from the truth? These new revelations put you in a bad light as well.

IMO of course.

[JHP]

Uh that would be me and yes since this is the first we've heard of this I did wonder why Michelle allowed this woman to stay in her home, unless of course she was Michelle's so called friend (like MM) and Michelle was clueless as to the ongoing affair.

I still would like to know how the Fisher's know about the woman staying at the home and the affair. Did either of them know about it while it was happening and not tell Michelle?

Like someone said earlier, this could get ugly.

Gosh annalyzer, it is already pretty ugly isn't it? Very interesting regarding the "friend" that was in her home in Oct. I wonder what shoe size she wears?

I hope the Fishers come out with an excellent outcome in the custody suit. I wonder if Jason will just ignore this one. It will be interesting.

2 :thumbsup: Linda and Meredith I wish you nothing but the best.
JMO

[annalyzer]

Gosh annalyzer, it is already pretty ugly isn't it? Very interesting regarding the "friend" that was in her home in Oct. I wonder what shoe size she wears?

I hope the Fishers come out with an excellent outcome in the custody suit. I wonder if Jason will just ignore this one. It will be interesting.

2 :thumbsup: Linda and Meredith I wish you nothing but the best.
JMO


Perhaps I should've said uglier.

[Leanne Weich]

Uh that would be me and yes since this is the first we've heard of this I did wonder why Michelle allowed this woman to stay in her home, unless of course she was Michelle's so called friend (like MM) and Michelle was clueless as to the ongoing affair.

I still would like to know how the Fisher's know about the woman staying at the home and the affair. Did either of them know about it while it was happening and not tell Michelle?

Like someone said earlier, this could get ugly.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn the Fishers engaged the services of a PI to look into any and all nefarious activities of Jasons over the years. I, however, doubt that they were aware he was having his conquests stay over at Michelle's home. They may have known this woman stayed over with Michelle's blessing, but not known she was one of his conquests. I think once the Affidavits i.s.o. the TC App. are made public, we will once again be shocked. I was surprised at what was made public yesterday so am anticipating even more shock in the coming days.

[annalyzer]

Hi Anna, My first thought is she came forward after Michelle's death but if this is the same woman he later had a relationship; would she have come forward and then started a relationship knowing all that she knew about him?

If all of the allegations are true and with all of this bad behavior just before Michelle's murder I am again wondering who acts this way while planning to kill their wife?

If this wasn't real life it would start to sound like a really bad soap opera.

Sils

So who is this mystery woman and why haven't we heard about her before? A lot of insider info has come true but no one ever mentioned a woman staying in the Young house with them.

[Leanne Weich]

I don't think you understand that the courts don't get involved in petty gift disputes between parents and estranged family.

You might think not but once it's out there in court, it goes into the column of what is not in the best interests of the child, even if it is only sub-consciously by the Judge who is the ultmate arbiter of who gets TC of Cassidy. The ideal solution for any Judge is to have no estrangement between the parties and if one party clearly subscribes to that arrangement, whether we like it or not, it carries weight, imo.

[Barbara2]

So who is this mystery woman and why haven't we heard about her before? A lot of insider info has come true but no one ever mentioned a woman staying in the Young house with them.

Actually it has been mentioned but I don't think it was here. On this board, links are required (or just demanded) and you can't link to something that is told to you by someone who knows Michelle.

[alter ego]

How about this one.....

Indecent Exposure (14-190.9)
Any person who shall willfully expose the private parts of his or her person in any public place and in the presence of any other person ... of the opposite sex ... shall be guilty.

Classification: Class 2 Misdemeanor (6 months and/or $500)

(http://www.ncsu.edu/police/Information/NCLaw.html)

:tonguewag:Where was the 'public place' that this occurred?

[annalyzer]

Actually it has been mentioned but I don't think it was here. On this board, links are required (or just demanded) and you can't link to something that is told to you by someone who knows Michelle.

So someone just mentions something like this? How long ago approximately was this brought up and was there any discussion about it?

[jerry50]

I don't think you understand that the courts don't get involved in petty gift disputes between parents and estranged family.

I don't think you understand. WHen the custody suit is heard in court the returned gifts will be admitted as evidence that the Young's did everything they could to keep any part of the Fisher's away from Cassidy. There is no reasonable explanation that can be given.

[jerry50]

Won't be much of a fight on Jason's part. NC Supreme Court has already established case law in his favor.


Weren't you complaining a few weeks ago about why Linda wasn't filing for custody? The Cooper case has set a precedence. North Carolina is realizing that killers should not be raising their children.

[jerry50]

What has JY lost as a result of it?

Future income. Who is going to hire him?

[alter ego]

Weren't you complaining a few weeks ago about why Linda wasn't filing for custody? The Cooper case has set a precedence. North Carolina is realizing that killers should not be raising their children.
The Cooper case set no precedence.

[JHP]

The Cooper case set no precedence.

Well, I guess we'll be finding out. I believe this is the same judge that awarded custody to Brad Coopers in-laws.

[alter ego]

Well, I guess we'll be finding out. I believe this is the same judge that awarded custody to Brad Coopers in-laws.
The ruling was not a different interpretation of current law so no precedent was set.

Yes it is the same judge that awarded custody to Cooper's inlaws after an exparte hearing wherein they said Brad attempted suicide in the past. And they were represented by the same firm that represents Jason.