Michelle Fisher Young - Wednesday Dec 10 thru dec. 14

[MerriMent]

Hi, Kat. The way I remember it, the door was usually left half open so Michelle could handle it. Someone could have pulled the door all the way down.

If Michelle usually left the door half-open then it would be noticeable to LE if it was closed all the way, wouldn't it?

Easier for Meredith to put the dog in Michelle's car and leave it until just prior to 911 call.

[Kat4Eagles]

I have a question for you. How could the dog be locked in the garage the door wouldn't shut?

:lol:
We all caught that one, huh?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Hi, Kat. The way I remember it, the door was usually left half open so Michelle could handle it. Someone could have pulled the door all the way down.


Hi Kingbuff........

I know that was what was posted here at one time, that the door itself was not broken , just the door opener.
That is old news!!

However, that is all we have to work with, old news and old search warrants..

Nothing new except a wds that had to be filed, and a detective who thinks the husband did it, but can not get an indictment.

For whatever reasons, can not indict this guy.

Shame, huh?

Kat

[Lindsey]

Excellent observation Paula.
MF likely laid the keys on the Lexus and let the dog out the back garage door into the yard before entering the house.


If she let the dog out the back garage door into the fenced yard, why was he found running around in the front yard and into the street when help arrived?

I don't see why she would have had to lay her keys down to let him out any door. It's not as if she had to pick him up or anything.

[tiny paw-prints]

Interesting comments by everyone. FWIW, someone told me that the family dog was locked up in the downstairs bathroom.

[annalyzer]

18 months later, the same cop has submitted a sworn statement that says he believes Jason and only Jason is the killer.

Where did you read that at? Link please.

[Lindsey]

Who said the dog was running around the front yard ?
Your rumor is simply untrue.

I guess you forgot the back garage door was locked ?
Laying the keys down on the car right beside the door makes perfect sense to me.

A neighbor said it.

Who said the dog was locked up in the garage?

Your rumor could be untrue, IMO.

Laying the keys down on a car to unlock a door does not make sense to me.

ETA: If MF had to lift the garage door to go in, and if the dog was locked up in the garage, he most likely would have run out past her and at that point would have been in the front yard. Surely she didn't let the door up and then let it back down when she thought she was just going to be inside for a minute.

[Cardinal]

~snipped~

Too bad, another weekend, no arrest!!

Kat

I agree, Kat. It is tragic that we have come to the end of another week without an arrest. Another week, that no one is accountable for killing Michelle and Rylan.

JMO

[tiny paw-prints]

Hi Tiny, long time no see.
I trust everything is ok ?

Yes, i heard the same rumor about the bathroom and I am afraid it is not true.


Thanks for the quick reply!

Things could be better. Thank you for your concern. I will check in periodically.

[Kat4Eagles]

If she let the dog out the back garage door into the fenced yard, why was he found running around in the front yard and into the street when help arrived?

I don't see why she would have had to lay her keys down to let him out any door. It's not as if she had to pick him up or anything.


Of course not, it was not until the later "revelation"......
Wonder how many "revelations" there were all together?

Kat

[Cardinal]

If she let the dog out the back garage door into the fenced yard, why was he found running around in the front yard and into the street when help arrived?

I don't see why she would have had to lay her keys down to let him out any door. It's not as if she had to pick him up or anything.

If I entered a garage and were rushed by a frantic dog who was not typically housed in the garage, I would probably lay my keys down to pet/comfort the dog.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

A neighbor said it.

Who said the dog was locked up in the garage?

Your rumor could be untrue, IMO.

Laying the keys down on a car to unlock a door does not make sense to me.

ETA: If MF had to lift the garage door to go in, and if the dog was locked up in the garage, he most likely would have run out past her and at that point would have been in the front yard. Surely she didn't let the door up and then let it back down when she thought she was just going to be inside for a minute.



You got it, unless they were some heavy keys. :biggrin:

It would make more sense that you would only lay keys down on something, if your arms were full, or you were planning to come right back out again and didn't need to take the keys inside with you.

If Mr. G had jumped on her, she would have dropped the keys on the ground, not on a Lexus!!

Why would you take the chance of scratching up a car?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

If I entered a garage and were rushed by a frantic dog who was not typically housed in the garage, I would probably lay my keys down to pet/comfort the dog.

JMO



on the hood of a Lexus?

Nahh uhhh.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I agree, Kat. It is tragic that we have come to the end of another week without an arrest. Another week, that no one is accountable for killing Michelle and Rylan.

JMO


What is one more week in a 2 year + murder?
:(

Kat

[annalyzer]

Spivey wrote in the affidavit: "I am familiar with other items of fact developed during this investigation that have not been placed in the public record to support a search warrant and, in my opinion, this evidence … indicates that Jason Young was the perpetrator."


http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=6427041&page=1


The detective stating that he believes Jason is the perpetrator does not equal him saying that he believes Jason and only Jason is the killer. The detective gave evidence only to support the WDS and that was only against Jason.

[Cardinal]

Yes, makes a lot of sense doesn't it.

I'm a 'dog person', so it does to me. They like both ears scratched at the same time when they're in need of calming.

JMO

[Cardinal]

on the hood of a Lexus?

Nahh uhhh.

Kat

Some people value living things more than inanimate ones. :smile:

[Cardinal]

What is one more week in a 2 year + murder?
:(

Kat

Sadly, even more day is one day too many, IMO, to wait for justice for Michelle and Rylan.

[annalyzer]

on the hood of a Lexus?

Nahh uhhh.

Kat

No, keys and shiny car hoods are not a good mix. Whoever did that was pretty flustered imo.

[annalyzer]

Some people value living things more than inanimate ones. :smile:


I would think most people do. Most people also would drop their keys in their purse, pocket or lay them somewhere other than on top of the hood of a shiny car.

[annalyzer]

What part of the perpetrator is unclear to you ?


Not a thing. All it tells me is that the detective gave evidence to point to Jason to win the WDS. Nowhere does he state that Jason acted alone.

[Cardinal]

I would think most people do. Most people also would drop their keys in their purse, pocket or lay them somewhere other than on top of the hood of a shiny car.

Maybe. But honestly, I can see myself laying keys on the nearest surface if I were concerned about a dog I cared about. I would be more concerned about the dog than I would about the car. But then, to me, a car is just something with an engine and wheels that gets me where I'm going. It's just not important apart from that.

JMO

[annalyzer]

It was a 4 year old lexus crossover worth $20,000.
OMG, laying a set of car keys on the hood is no big deal.

It is now. :tonguewag:

[annalyzer]

Maybe. But honestly, I can see myself laying keys on the nearest surface if I were concerned about a dog I cared about. I would be more concerned about the dog than I would about the car. But then, to me, a car is just something with an engine and wheels that gets me where I'm going. It's just not important apart from that.

JMO


Why would Meredith be so concerned about the dog in the first place? Her sister's car was there, she wasn't supposed to be there, shouldn't her concern be focused on her sister and niece?

[Cardinal]

:lol:

I reckon he could have said one of the perpetrators.

Actually, since the WDS alleged that Jason was the perpetrator or an accessory before the fact, he could have said he believed Jason was the perpetrator or the accessory before the fact - if he were only concerned with supporting the allegations.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Some people value living things more than inanimate ones. :smile:

Card, at that time she didn't know there was anything wrong.

Even though she has just seen Michelle's car and the freaking dog,
she hasn't had a revelation yet of what has happened.

Heck, she didn't even know what happened when she finally figured out something was wrong.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

No, keys and shiny car hoods are not a good mix. Whoever did that was pretty flustered imo.



I agree, sounds like they did not know if they were coming or going.

:wink:

Kat

[Cardinal]

Why would Meredith be so concerned about the dog in the first place? Her sister's car was there, she wasn't supposed to be there, shouldn't her concern be focused on her sister and niece?

She said in the 911 call that the dog was freaking out when she got there. Yes, she said that Michelle wasn't supposed to be there, but Michelle could have changed her schedule or called in sick. Michelle's car being there wouldn't necessarily have raised any alarms other than, OMG, how am I going to get the printout without her seeing. OTOH, the dog freaking out may have triggered her instinct to comfort the dog and putting the keys on the hood of the car was just to free up her hands.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Card, at that time she didn't know there was anything wrong.

Even though she has just seen Michelle's car and the freaking dog,
she hasn't had a revelation yet of what has happened.

Heck, she didn't even know what happened when she finally figured out something was wrong.

Kat

Then why is it so difficult to believe that she laid down her car keys on the most convenient surface?

[annalyzer]

She said in the 911 call that the dog was freaking out when she got there. Yes, she said that Michelle wasn't supposed to be there, but Michelle could have changed her schedule or called in sick. Michelle's car being there wouldn't necessarily have raised any alarms other than, OMG, how am I going to get the printout without her seeing. OTOH, the dog freaking out may have triggered her instinct to comfort the dog and putting the keys on the hood of the car was just to free up her hands.

JMO

Well I agree, it's possible.

[Kat4Eagles]

Some people have exceeded their message intake, and should therefore immediately please make room for new incoming messages.
Thank you.

[annalyzer]

But to me laying keys on a car hood is a big no no. I've been in many situations similiar with animals but I had the presence of mind to lay my keys somewhere besides on the hood of my car.

[Kat4Eagles]

Why would Meredith be so concerned about the dog in the first place? Her sister's car was there, she wasn't supposed to be there, shouldn't her concern be focused on her sister and niece?


You would think so, wouldn't you?

Kat

[Cardinal]

But to me laying keys on a car hood is a big no no. I've been in many situations similiar with animals but I had the presence of mind to lay my keys somewhere besides on the hood of my car.

For me, it's not. You should see my car. :biggrin:

[Lindsey]

Maybe the same neighbor that said he left at 4:30 Pm on Thursday :thumbsup:

Nope, different neighbor.

[Kat4Eagles]

Then why is it so difficult to believe that she laid down her car keys on the most convenient surface?



Oh, gee, I don't know.

Laying your keys on the hood of a 35-40 grand car isn't something that someone who appreciates a fine car would do.

I wouldn't.

Kat

[Lindsey]

You got it, unless they were some heavy keys. :biggrin:

It would make more sense that you would only lay keys down on something, if your arms were full, or you were planning to come right back out again and didn't need to take the keys inside with you.

If Mr. G had jumped on her, she would have dropped the keys on the ground, not on a Lexus!!

Why would you take the chance of scratching up a car?

Kat

Exactly ...

[Kat4Eagles]

Then why is it so difficult to believe that she laid down her car keys on the most convenient surface?


How do we know that was the most convenient?

Kat

[Cardinal]

Oh, gee, I don't know.

Laying your keys on the hood of a 35-40 grand car isn't something that someone who appreciates a fine car would do.

I wouldn't.

Kat

But that's just it, Kat. I don't appreciate a "fine car". To me, a car is a car. Maybe Meredith doesn't appreciate them either.

[JD1974]

Maybe. But honestly, I can see myself laying keys on the nearest surface if I were concerned about a dog I cared about. I would be more concerned about the dog than I would about the car. But then, to me, a car is just something with an engine and wheels that gets me where I'm going. It's just not important apart from that.

JMO

I bet you would also remeber laying your keys there, instead of saying you had put them somewhere else...

[Cardinal]

How do we know that was the most convenient?

Kat

I think if she went in through the garage door, the car was right there. Was it not?

[annalyzer]

I guess some are not as materialistic as you and another poster.
I guess she could have just dropped them on the floor ?
How about the boat ? Would that have been ok ?


Exactly. Or in her purse. Or in her pocket. Or on another surface.

[Kat4Eagles]

Not a thing. All it tells me is that the detective gave evidence to point to Jason to win the WDS. Nowhere does he state that Jason acted alone.


Yep, and that is all it does.

It certainly did not get an indictment since the wds was filed , did it?

Kat

[kingbuff]

I don't get it. Has anyone guessed why the police leaped to the conclusion that someone transported Cassie in the Lexus? There must be something else we don't know about the car keys, Cassie, or possiblly a witness. As usual, the police are going selective about the evidence they release.

[Cardinal]

I bet you would also remeber laying your keys there, instead of saying you had put them somewhere else...

LOL I couldn't tell you where I laid my keys when I got home tonight. They could be any one of several places, depending upon my frame of mind when I got into the house.

IIRC, I had my hands full and dropped everything on the nearest surface. I'll go back later and put it in the place it should be.

But I can tell you this - if after walking in and dropping everything I found what Meredith found, I couldn't begin to tell you where my keys were.

JMO

[Lindsey]

I'm a 'dog person', so it does to me. They like both ears scratched at the same time when they're in need of calming.

JMO

I'm thinking the dog was freaking out because he needed to go outside, not needing to be petted. And I'm thinking he would have made a run for it when MF lifted the garage door, if that's what she did. And that would explain why he was found in the front instead of back yard.

JMO

[alter ego]

Hi RPD!

If the dog was in the garage and was "freaking out", perhaps this is when Meredith inadvertently put her keys on Michelle's vehicle. Given the heinous events of the day, Meredith might have forgotten this, and upon seeing a set of keys on the kitchen counter, thought they were hers because that's where she always put them.

IMO
Then why did she tell LE that upon entering the residence, she put her keys on the kitchen counter as was her custom? Why leave the whole bit about the dog out especially after she mentioned the dog in the 911 call?

Did she also forget when it was Jason left her a phonemail?

And where Cassidy was when she found her?

[Cardinal]

They bought the car used. It was worth $20,000.
Some are acting like it was laying car keys on a fully restored 1958 Corvette. :rolleyes:

ROTFL I can see where your priorities are!

I just don't get the significance of NOT putting the keys on a Lexus. It's just a car.

[JD1974]

Then why did she tell LE that upon entering the residence, she put her keys on the kitchen counter as was her custom? Why leave the whole bit about the dog out especially after she mentioned the dog in the 911 call?

Did she also forget when it was Jason left her a phonemail?

And where Cassidy was when she found her?


That's what I wondered, she was so worried about the dog, yet forgot she had put her keys on the car to comfort him?

[Kat4Eagles]

I think if she went in through the garage door, the car was right there. Was it not?

I don't know, Card, guess we wil have to wait and see pics of the inside of the garage to see if there was a better place than her sister's car, and why she needed a revelation to remember she had done so.
:seeya:

Nancy Grace coming on with Breaking News in the Caylee case.

Kat

[annalyzer]

I think if she went in through the garage door, the car was right there. Was it not?


I'd bet there was another surface right there too, one that doesn't get scratched easily, like a workbench. Or like rpd said, the floor. She was leaning down to comfort the dog anyway, drop the keys, pet the dog, then pick the keys back up. Simple. Shoot I can pet a dog and hold keys at the same time!

[JD1974]

ROTFL I can see where your priorities are!

I just don't get the significance of NOT putting the keys on a Lexus. It's just a car.



To me it isn't that she put the keys on the car but that she told LE she put them on the counter..like she always did.

[Lindsey]

Maybe because the dog was locked in the garage for 8+ hours and was "freaking out" because it needed to go out and relieve himself ?

< snip >



And that's why the dog would have run out past MF when she opened the garage door. Thank you for making my point for me.

[Kat4Eagles]

LOL I couldn't tell you where I laid my keys when I got home tonight. They could be any one of several places, depending upon my frame of mind when I got into the house.

IIRC, I had my hands full and dropped everything on the nearest surface. I'll go back later and put it in the place it should be.

But I can tell you this - if after walking in and dropping everything I found what Meredith found, I couldn't begin to tell you where my keys were.

JMO

But, she hadn't found her sister yet.

Had she?

:wink:

Kat

[Cardinal]

I'm thinking the dog was freaking out because he needed to go outside, not needing to be petted. And I'm thinking he would have made a run for it when MF lifted the garage door, if that's what she did. And that would explain why he was found in the front instead of back yard.

JMO

And I'm thinking the dog was freaking out because things were very much not normal. I'm sure he did need to go out. But I think, more than that, he was reacting to a familiar face who could provide comfort.

Even dogs have their priorities.

JMO

[kingbuff]

By the way, an early poster said a neighbor boy rescued the dog from the road and kept him until somebody (didn't say who) came to get him. But if we depend on Meredith to tell the story of the dog, we will never know the entire story.

[Cardinal]

But, she hadn't found her sister yet.

Had she?

:wink:

Kat

She had by the time she gave her statement about where she left her keys. Hadn't she?

[annalyzer]

LOL I couldn't tell you where I laid my keys when I got home tonight. They could be any one of several places, depending upon my frame of mind when I got into the house.

IIRC, I had my hands full and dropped everything on the nearest surface. I'll go back later and put it in the place it should be.

But I can tell you this - if after walking in and dropping everything I found what Meredith found, I couldn't begin to tell you where my keys were.

JMO


Oh same here card. I never know where I've laid my keys. But if I'm outside and I need to lay my keys down it's sure not on the hood of my car! But I can see someone doing something like that if they are very hurried, flustered, etc.

[Cardinal]

Oh same here card. I never know where I've laid my keys. But if I'm outside and I need to lay my keys down it's sure not on the hood of my car! But I can see someone doing something like that if they are very hurried, flustered, etc.

Or preoccupied about Michelle's car being there and how she was going to get the printout, at the same time she's confronted with a dog who shouldn't be in the garage and is upset? Yeah, flustered.

[annalyzer]

An 'early poster' ?
Just who might that be ?

The point made was the dog was in the closed garage, not the house.
The dog could have dashed out the open garage door when Meredith came in. That makes more sense if she suddenly laid the keys down on the car to try to catch the dog. Back yard or front....what difference does it make ?

Now for something like that I can see someone laying the keys just anywhere like on the hood of a car.

[Hey Paula]

An 'early poster' ?
Just who might that be ?

The point made was the dog was in the closed garage, not the house.
The dog could have dashed out the open garage door when Meredith came in. That makes more sense if she suddenly laid the keys down on the car to try to catch the dog. Back yard or front....what difference does it make ?

ITA. The dog would've likely dashed outside to relieve himself after being in the garage all morning. Perhaps he even jumped up on Meredith. My son's dog and my sister's too, always jump up on me when they see me.

I can surely see how Meredith might have put her keys on the hood of her sister's car with all that excitement. I would have likely done the same thing.

[jerry50]

If I entered a garage and were rushed by a frantic dog who was not typically housed in the garage, I would probably lay my keys down to pet/comfort the dog.

JMO

Right. And maybe the clothes she was wearing did not have any pockets and the car was the easiest place to put the keys.

[kingbuff]

Ok, that's it then.
The dog dashed out the open garage door and was found by a neighbor :wink:

I really don't see the significance of where the dog was found. Maybe Spivey could tie that evidence in for us, but I'm lost. Now if the dog were injured during the attack, that might be important.

[kingbuff]

I've given a great deal of thought to the actions of the police in this case. I think they have bungled it from the beginning. The search warrant attacks on Jason, the same attacks on the Florida girl, the one who seemingly cooperated with the police, the polices' rude behavior toward others. I think of all the information others could give to the police if they acted more civil. I've talked with a couple of people who say they don't trust the cops. The cops will pretend to be your friend and then later turn on you, is what they say. That's a shame.

[kingbuff]

I really don't see the significance of the keys or the dog.

I guess there is nothing else to discuss?

Hi, Tiaz. Plenty to discuss I think. I think the Caylee saga has captured some of the posters. You have any idea why the cops think someone transported Cassie in the Lexus that night?

[MerriMent]

Then why is it so difficult to believe that she laid down her car keys on the most convenient surface?

Because it is impossible to believe the dog was loose in the garage and freaking out even though the garage door was open.

[MerriMent]

I'm thinking the dog was freaking out because he needed to go outside, not needing to be petted. And I'm thinking he would have made a run for it when MF lifted the garage door, if that's what she did. And that would explain why he was found in the front instead of back yard.

JMO

I'm thinking the dog was freaking out because he was locked inside Michelle's car in the garage. He was found in the front street (Birchleaf) by a neighbor. Meredith put her keys down on the hood of the car to open the car door and let him out, imo. She was holding CY with her other arm. She made comment to the 911 operator about the dog freaking out just in case CY mentioned it to someone later.

[MerriMent]

To me it isn't that she put the keys on the car but that she told LE she put them on the counter..like she always did.

Trouble keeping track of lies told to LE is a trait shared by guilty people.

[MerriMent]

Hi, Tiaz. Plenty to discuss I think. I think the Caylee saga has captured some of the posters. You have any idea why the cops think someone transported Cassie in the Lexus that night?

No sign of blood on CY, no sign of bloody clothes or pjs belonging to CY, no sign of bloody fingerprints or pawprints anywhere in the house is an indication neither child nor dog were ever alone in the bloody crime scene.

[MerriMent]

I've given a great deal of thought to the actions of the police in this case. I think they have bungled it from the beginning. The search warrant attacks on Jason, the same attacks on the Florida girl, the one who seemingly cooperated with the police, the polices' rude behavior toward others. I think of all the information others could give to the police if they acted more civil. I've talked with a couple of people who say they don't trust the cops. The cops will pretend to be your friend and then later turn on you, is what they say. That's a shame.

MM's cooperation and honesty certainly wasn't respected by LE. I wonder if she still trusts these cops?

[Lindsey]

I'm thinking the dog was freaking out because he was locked inside Michelle's car in the garage. He was found in the front street (Birchleaf) by a neighbor. Meredith put her keys down on the hood of the car to open the car door and let him out, imo. She was holding CY with her other arm. She made comment to the 911 operator about the dog freaking out just in case CY mentioned it to someone later.

Did it seem to you she lowered her voice a little bit when she said that about the dog freaking out? Different tone of voice anyway. Odd, IMO.


Do you remember Michelle's height? I know it's in the AR but I can't seem to put my hands on it at the moment.

[Hey Paula]

Did it seem to you she lowered her voice a little bit when she said that about the dog freaking out? Different tone of voice anyway. Odd, IMO.


Do you remember Michelle's height? I know it's in the AR but I can't seem to put my hands on it at the moment.

Per autopsy report, Michelle was 66" tall or 5' 6".

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2007/01/22/1175523/MichelleYoungAutopsyReport3.swf

[JHP]

By the way, an early poster said a neighbor boy rescued the dog from the road and kept him until somebody (didn't say who) came to get him. But if we depend on Meredith to tell the story of the dog, we will never know the entire story.

Yes, but if we depend on Jason to tell us anything, We'll never know anything. Meredith has spoken with LE many times. JMO

[kingbuff]

Now you finally get it.:drool:
The cops did act like they were your friend.
It is a tried and true method that is a staple in cop investigations.
They chum up to the dark side so you let down your guard.
They drop hints that someone else if on the radar for the crime.

Looks like that's exactly what they did to the Brevard clan.
Pretended to be their friend and then turned on them. :w00t:

You think so? I've always heard mountain people are naturally suspicious of outsiders, especially flatlanders. Wasn't Jason very early given advice by his clan about not trusting the police? I think the mountaineers decided what they would share with the police and what they would hold back until the police proved themselves. Don't you think MM would approve?

[kingbuff]

Oh there is a lot of significance to where the dog was found.
Mr. G was not accustomed to sleeping in the garage where he was found.
The killer decided to segregate him from the bloody corpse....obvious reasons.
Reckon that is something a random burglar would do :confused:

Thank God I don't know any random burglars. I think you will have to answer that question.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

You think so? I've always heard mountain people are naturally suspicious of outsiders, especially flatlanders. Wasn't Jason very early given advice by his clan about not trusting the police? I think the mountaineers decided what they would share with the police and what they would hold back until the police proved themselves. Don't you think MM would approve?

Good point kingbuff. Mountain people were "suspicious" from the very start. Maybe they were more than suspicious. I wonder if Jason “fell plum to knees” and confess to his mom and step-dad when he got home? That would give them a good reason to tell Jason to shut up and get a lawyer.

Do big time Raleigh lawyers have family plans?

Remember, for every monster there is a Dr. Frankenstein.

[kingbuff]

Good point kingbuff. Mountain people were "suspicious" from the very start. Maybe they were more than suspicious. I wonder if Jason “fell plum to knees” and confess to his mom and step-dad when he got home? That would give them a good reason to tell Jason to shut up and get a lawyer.

Do big time Raleigh lawyers have family plans?

Remember, for every monster there is a Dr. Frankenstein.

I don't know anything about big time Raleigh lawyers, and don't want to LOL. And thank you for reminding me that I have seen quite a few would-be Dr. Frankiensteins on the boards I've read.

[kingbuff]

I thought Pat Young reported a burglary to the cops May 2007 ?
I thought I remembered a very specific list of what was missing.

So now you are saying this burglary and murder was not random :ohmy:

The police said not random but I have read you and other posters brag about how the police are allowed and even encouraged to lie LOL. So who know what is true? By the way, I think you have the date wrong about the burglary report. I remember reading that Mrs. Young and her family (minus Jason) spent the night of Nov. 3-4 with the police. When the police asked about the jewelry and the missing drawers, I think that's when the burglary/robbery was first reported. Like you, I am just guessing at this, so feel free to LOL.

[Cardinal]

I thought you read the 2/08 SW's :confused:

On May 3rd, 2007 Detectives Spivey and Blackwell interviewed Pat Young, Jason Young’s mother, at the Goins’ home in Brevard, North Carolina. During the interview Mrs. Young stated that she had a list of items that that were missing from the crime scene. The items were described as follows: A white and yellow gold bracelet with alternating circles of the different colors of gold; an egg shaped sterling silver tooth box with an attached ribbon (the box is very small and the ribbon is so that it can be pulled from under the child’s pillow) man's platinum wedding band a platinum solitaire 2 -3 ct diamond ring that stood out due to “flecks a pair of diamond ear rings a pearl necklace and $500 in cash that was in a new wallet in Jason Young s closet. As of this time., these items have still not been recovered or accounted for.

Nov 3-4 ? Did the Young family enter the house at that time ?
It was said the cops wanted Jason to do that so they could determine if anything was missing....he refused.

I wonder how Mrs. Young knew exactly what was missing from the house? I could understand the rings, but how did she determine the tooth box, earrings and pearls were missing?

[Cardinal]

Every think maybe MF gave her a list? Just guessing.

I think if Meredith gave a list to anyone, she gave it to LE rather than Mrs. Young.

I've always thought it strange that Mrs. Young would know those things were missing.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Yes but remember he became MF's friend 10/2007. Can you say conspiracy?

Conspiracy? Was Jack Ruby involved? :ohmy:

[alter ego]

Who do you think kept Cassidy clean and away from her mother's blood all those hours when Jason wasn't there?
There's the $50million question.

[alter ego]

I think if Meredith gave a list to anyone, she gave it to LE rather than Mrs. Young.

I've always thought it strange that Mrs. Young would know those things were missing.

JMOWhy? Don't you think Jason told her when the contents of the house were inventoried?

[Cardinal]

Why? Don't you think Jason told her when the contents of the house were inventoried?

When were the contents inventoried?

[alter ego]

When were the contents inventoried?I would imagine when relatives first went to the home, when the tooth was found.

[Cardinal]

I would imagine as they were being divided up between storage and what was needed on a daily basis after the house was packed up.

So you don't know for sure that there was an inventory? Other than clothes and Cassidy's furniture, I don't imagine anything was needed on a daily basis, so all the rest could have gone to storage without an inventory.

Regardless, I doubt even Jason could have come up with that specific a list of missing items from looking at an inventory.

JMO

[alter ego]

So you don't know for sure that there was an inventory? Other than clothes and Cassidy's furniture, I don't imagine anything was needed on a daily basis, so all the rest could have gone to storage without an inventory.

Regardless, I doubt even Jason could have come up with that specific a list of missing items from looking at an inventory.

JMOActually, I changed my response because the house was packed up in June and Pat gave the list of missing items to LE in May.

Regardless, I see no reason why Jason wouldn't have asked the family members who went to the house after it was released to gather specific items. No reason the items determined to be missing would not have been on that list.

Why wouldn't Jason be able to come up with a specific list? Isn't that part of what LE wanted him to do when they invited him to do a 'walk thru' - determine if anything was missing?

[Cardinal]

Actually, I changed my response because the house was packed up in June and Pat gave the list of missing items to LE in May.

Regardless, I see no reason why Jason wouldn't have asked the family members who went to the house after it was released to gather specific items. No reason the items determined to be missing would not have been on that list.

Why wouldn't Jason be able to come up with a specific list? Isn't that part of what LE wanted him to do when they invited him to do a 'walk thru'?

Yes it is, and the reason they wanted him to do the walk through is because it's much easier to walk into a room and notice things are missing than it is to go through a list and determine what isn't there. And if the list were derived from Jason asking family members to gather specific items, why would he ask them specifically for earrings, a tooth box and pearls? Especially the tooth box - Cassidy wouldn't need that for a few years yet.

JMO

[kingbuff]

I thought you read the 2/08 SW's :confused:

On May 3rd, 2007 Detectives Spivey and Blackwell interviewed Pat Young, Jason Young’s mother, at the Goins’ home in Brevard, North Carolina. During the interview Mrs. Young stated that she had a list of items that that were missing from the crime scene. The items were described as follows: A white and yellow gold bracelet with alternating circles of the different colors of gold; an egg shaped sterling silver tooth box with an attached ribbon (the box is very small and the ribbon is so that it can be pulled from under the child’s pillow) man's platinum wedding band a platinum solitaire 2 -3 ct diamond ring that stood out due to “flecks a pair of diamond ear rings a pearl necklace and $500 in cash that was in a new wallet in Jason Young s closet. As of this time., these items have still not been recovered or accounted for.

Nov 3-4 ? Did the Young family enter the house at that time ?
It was said the cops wanted Jason to do that so they could determine if anything was missing....he refused.

When the police asked about the jewelry and the missing drawers, I think that's when the burglary/robbery was first reported. Like you, I am just guessing at this, so feel free to LOL.

[alter ego]

Yes it is, and the reason they wanted him to do the walk through is because it's much easier to walk into a room and notice things are missing than it is to go through a list and determine what isn't there. And if the list were derived from Jason asking family members to gather specific items, why would he ask them specifically for earrings, a tooth box and pearls? Especially the tooth box - Cassidy wouldn't need that for a few years yet.

JMO
I have no idea Card.

Perhaps they were items w/sentimental value.

Perhaps they were items of value that would be easily pawned.

[Cardinal]

I have no idea Card.

Perhaps they were items w/sentimental value.

Perhaps they were items of value that would be easily pawned.

I don't know either, AE. It's just one of many things I find strange.

[annalyzer]

I wonder how Mrs. Young knew exactly what was missing from the house? I could understand the rings, but how did she determine the tooth box, earrings and pearls were missing?


Because those were the items that Michelle kept in the drawer that was missing? Michelle had shown her precious items to Jason's sisters or her mil?

[kingbuff]

I have no idea Card.

Perhaps they were items w/sentimental value.

Perhaps they were items of value that would be easily pawned.

Men are from Mars. They keep track of ephemeral things such as war, stock prices, football scores. Women are from Venus. They keep track of important things: birthdays, anniversaries, funerals, jewelry.

[kingbuff]

Yes, the cops have said 2 jewelry drawers were apparently missing.
The Young's reported nothing, as they were not in the home to inventory anything missing from that box. By the time Kim was in the house 2 weeks later, the jewelry box was already removed as evidence.

I read the police did not take the jewelry box. They tested for blood and dna but left it in the home. They missing drawers have never turned up.

[Cardinal]

Because those were the items that Michelle kept in the drawer that was missing? Michelle had shown her precious items to Jason's sisters or her mil?

I'd like to know how large those missing drawers were. I have a jewely chest with drawers, and the drawers are rather small. Even so, two of them would hold more than those items.

I still think it's strange that the list is so specific.

JMO

[annalyzer]

I'd like to know how large those missing drawers were. I have a jewely chest with drawers, and the drawers are rather small. Even so, two of them would hold more than those items.

I still think it's strange that the list is so specific.

JMO


Maybe there were more items but they weren't significant enough to be recalled?

[jerry50]

Actually, I changed my response because the house was packed up in June and Pat gave the list of missing items to LE in May.

Regardless, I see no reason why Jason wouldn't have asked the family members who went to the house after it was released to gather specific items. No reason the items determined to be missing would not have been on that list.

Why wouldn't Jason be able to come up with a specific list? Isn't that part of what LE wanted him to do when they invited him to do a 'walk thru' - determine if anything was missing?

I don't know why JY would be interested in what was missing while his wife and son were buried in a lonely cemetery. If he really cared he should have figured it out immediately because if Michelle had actually been murdered by a burglar the time to determine that was at the time of the murder.

[kingbuff]

Oops.

Of course there was an inventory of items removed from the house hammer

I reckon the jewelry box was tested and left behind.

La de da. I'll have to try to find that early post for you. I keep saying I'm going to organize this material, but I keep putting it off. I meant to to procritinate today, but keep putting it off LOL.

[kingbuff]

Ooops. That didn't take long. The message was not on the board. It was in a PM on a long-dead board. I think I ought to keep it private. The message says the family has the jewel box. Does not say which family.

[Cardinal]

I think MF is probably who gave LE and Mrs Young the list. I think LE knew what was missing long before they talked with Mrs. Young. I seriously doubt if JY would know what was in the drawers. Why would any of the Youngs for that matter know? I certainly couldn't tell you what is in my wife's jewelery drawers. I can't even tell you all the clothes she owns. Men just don't keep up with that kind of stuff.

Why would Meredith give Mrs. Young the list? Were they even communicating in May 2007? I wouldn't think so.

[MerriMent]

Yes, but if we depend on Jason to tell us anything, We'll never know anything. Meredith has spoken with LE many times. JMO

Yes and Meredith told conflicting stories to LE, as noted in search warrants. Conflicting stories are EVIDENCE

[MerriMent]

I wonder how Mrs. Young knew exactly what was missing from the house? I could understand the rings, but how did she determine the tooth box, earrings and pearls were missing?

Jason would know.

[MerriMent]

When were the contents inventoried?

When the insurance claim was filed after the house was released to Jason.

[MerriMent]

So you don't know for sure that there was an inventory? Other than clothes and Cassidy's furniture, I don't imagine anything was needed on a daily basis, so all the rest could have gone to storage without an inventory.

Regardless, I doubt even Jason could have come up with that specific a list of missing items from looking at an inventory.

JMO

You can't be serious. An inventory was needed for insurance purposes as well as LE wanted to know. Jason wouldn't be looking at a list, he'd be looking at the actual items and would know what was missing.

[MerriMent]

Because those were the items that Michelle kept in the drawer that was missing? Michelle had shown her precious items to Jason's sisters or her mil?

Or the items were listed on an inventory list the couple had video recorded or photographed for insurance purposes.

[Cardinal]

You can't be serious. An inventory was needed for insurance purposes as well as LE wanted to know. Jason wouldn't be looking at a list, he'd be looking at the actual items and would know what was missing.

I guess you disagree with King Buff that men are from Mars and wouldn't know those things.

[Hey Paula]

When the insurance claim was filed after the house was released to Jason.

I wasn't aware that a personal property insurance claim was filed. Was it for scheduled jewelry items?

[Hey Paula]

Hey Paula.
If Jason wanted to claim his home was burglarized, he would need to make a recorded statement to the adjuster as well as file a police report. Like most everything this poster states, I think we can toss her latest revelation as pure fantasy.:thumbdown:

Hiya RPD!

A Homeowners/jewelry floater policy theft claim requires a police report being on file and there has been no mention of this. There were no signs of forced entry either, IIRC.

[JD1974]

Hiya RPD!

A Homeowners/jewelry floater policy theft claim requires a police report being on file and there has been no mention of this. There were no signs of forced entry either, IIRC.


I just personally went through this, my rental home was broken into and when I filed the claim he did record my statements about damage, personal property loss etc. I had already filed the police report before calling ins but I am pretty sure you have to have a police report number to give your ins company, that is one of the first things he asked me, if I had filed a report.


ETA There was no sign of forced entry into my home, I later found out they had came in through a window.

[Hey Paula]

I just personally went through this, my rental home was broken into and when I filed the claim he did record my statements about damage, personal property loss etc. I had already filed the police report before calling ins but I am pretty sure you have to have a police report number to give your ins company, that is one of the first things he asked me, if I had filed a report.


ETA There was no sign of forced entry into my home, I later found out they had came in through a window.

I'm sorry you suffered a theft loss.

Yes, you're right. Theft and burglary claims do require a filed police report. The insurance company will ask for a police report/incident number when reporting such a claim.

Insurance companies also take note if any discrepancies of items being claimed vs those listed in the police report.

[Kat4Eagles]

I really don't see the significance of the keys or the dog.

I guess there is nothing else to discuss?


Apparently, L E thought there was something to the keys or they would not have included them in the warrant...

You think?

Kat

[MerriMent]

I wasn't aware that a personal property insurance claim was filed. Was it for scheduled jewelry items?

You'll have to ask the poster who posted the exact amount JY received from his claim.

[MerriMent]

Hiya RPD!

A Homeowners/jewelry floater policy theft claim requires a police report being on file and there has been no mention of this. There were no signs of forced entry either, IIRC.

There was mention of it, you just missed it.

[MerriMent]

If you remember it was the insurance man that took the pictures. Thats the photos that show the bed linens still there .

Oh, I remember. Some others are pretending amnesia for good reason: the exact amount of the insurance payment was posted on the forums....information that was obtained illegally.

[MerriMent]

I have read those warrants over and over. Why did LE put those obvious different stories in the warrants? They could have done PC without telling where the child was. They could have done PC without telling the difference in what time JY called MF. They really didn't have to tell about the different stories with the keys. Does any one have any idea why they put them there? If JY is ever arrested you can be sure his defense attorney is gonna thank LE for being so helpful.

ITA. They put them there so Meredith and her attorney will see them in order to put pressure on Meredith. It's possible she stopped cooperating and inconsistent statements are powerful evidence.

[Cardinal]

I have read those warrants over and over. Why did LE put those obvious different stories in the warrants? They could have done PC without telling where the child was. They could have done PC without telling the difference in what time JY called MF. They really didn't have to tell about the different stories with the keys. Does any one have any idea why they put them there? If JY is ever arrested you can be sure his defense attorney is gonna thank LE for being so helpful.

Maybe it would help if you read them in the order they were issued, and noted the investigator who wrote them.

The first SW in this case was the one for Birchleaf, written by Bumgardner and issued at 3:21 pm on 11/3. The SW for the Ford Explorer, on 11/4/06 at 3:15 am by Liliquist, repeats verbatim (as in copy and paste) the part of the PC about Meredith's discovery of the crime scene from the earlier warrant. These are the only warrants I saw that refer to Cassidy "walking inside the home." Since the 911 call was placed at 1:30, that means the PC for the 3:21 warrant was written hurriedly and before Meredith gave an official statement.

The 11/30/06 SW is the only one written by David and says only that the child was "inside the residence". The SWs of 11/21/06, 12/1/06, 2/8/07 and 7/5/07 were written by Sternberg and don't mention Cassidy at all.

The 7/25/07 SWs were written by Spivey and state that Cassidy was in the bed. Since these SWs were for Cassidy's DNA and Michelle's SUV, it makes sense to include that information in the PC to support the allegation that she was drugged and/or removed from the house.

The SWs of 11/19/07, 2/13/08 and 2/14/08 were written by Spivey and simply say the child was discovered inside the home.

The SWs of 11/6/08 and 12/2/08 were written by Spivey and state that the child was found on Jason's side of the bed. Since the 7/25/07 SWs were about to be unsealed, I suppose there was no reason to continue to protect that information.

Sorry this post is so long, but I thought it was important to include it all, since I don't see any "inconsistencies" in Meredith's "statements" after analyzing it. I just see different LE officers' decisions about what's necessary to include in the PC for a particular warrant.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Apparently, L E thought there was something to the keys or they would not have included them in the warrant...

You think?

Kat

I think the information about the keys was included in that warrant to substantiate the need to search Michelle's SUV that many months after the murder. I think it was about where Michelle's keys were, not where Meredith's keys were.

That information is not included in the other SWs, including the one written the same day for Cassidy's DNA.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Thanks for taking the time to do this Cardinal.
Some here want to believe the unsealing of warrants nearly 1 1/2 years old is somehow 'new evidence'. :rolleyes:

Since 2-08, the obvious focus of the investigation has been Jason Young and only Jason Young. Go back and look at the probable cause affidavits in the most recent 2/08 and 11/08 SW's and you will see who WCSO thinks is the perpetrator....RC Spivey officially confirmed this in his 12/08 affidavit in the civil suit.
Nope, not just the suspect, but in his professional opinion, the killer.

I actually did it as much for myself as anyone. I can understand someone questioning the original SW's PC about Cassidy walking around the house, given the later SWs.

But when you look at the time the Birchleaf warrant was issued... My guess is that someone on the scene called back to the WCSO and gave an officer information over the phone to get the warrant. It would probably have been at least 2:00 before that happened. Someone had to write the affidavit for the warrant and try to find a judge to sign it on a Friday afternoon. That could have taken a while. I figure the PC for that SW was written in about 10 minutes, based on a phone call, by someone who didn't actually talk to Meredith.

So I don't give a lot of weight to the part about Cassidy walking around the house.

JMO

[annalyzer]

It doesn't make sense that the child was in her mom's bed when MF found her. The child was alert, clean and knew all about her mom's "boo boo's" when MF made the 911 call.

Wouldn't MF grab the child off the bed and take her out of the room as soon as she found her sister lying there and then dial 911?

Let's play it out. MF arrives at her sister's house, finds her car there, the dog is freaking out. She goes in, heads upstairs, sees the child in her mom's bed, then sees her sister lying bludgeoned to death beside the bed, her teeth scattered around her bashed in head.

Now let's listen to the 911 call

http://www.wral.com/news/local/audio/1119462/

Near the beginning the dispatcher asks MF if Michelle is breathing. MF says, "Michelle?", like she is right next to her. Then MF tells the dispatcher that she is outside the bedroom, keeping the child out of the room.

That's for starters. Anyone care to add?

[alter ego]

Maybe it would help if you read them in the order they were issued, and noted the investigator who wrote them.

The first SW in this case was the one for Birchleaf, written by Bumgardner and issued at 3:21 pm on 11/3. The SW for the Ford Explorer, on 11/4/06 at 3:15 am by Liliquist, repeats verbatim (as in copy and paste) the part of the PC about Meredith's discovery of the crime scene from the earlier warrant. These are the only warrants I saw that refer to Cassidy "walking inside the home." Since the 911 call was placed at 1:30, that means the PC for the 3:21 warrant was written hurriedly and before Meredith gave an official statement.

The 11/30/06 SW is the only one written by David and says only that the child was "inside the residence". The SWs of 11/21/06, 12/1/06, 2/8/07 and 7/5/07 were written by Sternberg and don't mention Cassidy at all.

The 7/25/07 SWs were written by Spivey and state that Cassidy was in the bed. Since these SWs were for Cassidy's DNA and Michelle's SUV, it makes sense to include that information in the PC to support the allegation that she was drugged and/or removed from the house.

The SWs of 11/19/07, 2/13/08 and 2/14/08 were written by Spivey and simply say the child was discovered inside the home.

The SWs of 11/6/08 and 12/2/08 were written by Spivey and state that the child was found on Jason's side of the bed. Since the 7/25/07 SWs were about to be unsealed, I suppose there was no reason to continue to protect that information.

Sorry this post is so long, but I thought it was important to include it all, since I don't see any "inconsistencies" in Meredith's "statements" after analyzing it. I just see different LE officers' decisions about what's necessary to include in the PC for a particular warrant.

JMO

Card, you have no idea when Meredith gave an official statement. She evidently told someone Cassidy was walking around the house when she got there or it would not have showed up on a warrant.

She also said on the 911 call that Cassidy's footprints in blood were all over the house.

And she said she put her keys on the counter per her usual custom.

See all the inconsistencies in what she said or is alleged to have said? Now, can you imagine if Jason had made those statements instead of Meredith?

Everything you say will be used against you.

[alter ego]

It doesn't make sense that the child was in her mom's bed when MF found her. The child was alert, clean and knew all about her mom's "boo boo's" when MF made the 911 call.

Wouldn't MF grab the child off the bed and take her out of the room as soon as she found her sister lying there and then dial 911?

Let's play it out. MF arrives at her sister's house, finds her car there, the dog is freaking out. She goes in, heads upstairs, sees the child in her mom's bed, then sees her sister lying bludgeoned to death beside the bed, her teeth scattered around her bashed in head.

Now let's listen to the 911 call

http://www.wral.com/news/local/audio/1119462/

Near the beginning the dispatcher asks MF if Michelle is breathing. MF says, "Michelle?", like she is right next to her. Then MF tells the dispatcher that she is outside the bedroom, keeping the child out of the room.

That's for starters. Anyone care to add?Oh wow.

After she says "Michelle?" she tells 911 "she's cold" and then calls to Cassidy and tells her to come here.

[alter ego]

So I don't give a lot of weight to the part about Cassidy walking around the house.

JMOThen how do you explain Cassidy walking around the house and going near her mom's body and having no blood on her feet?

Where Cassidy was and what she was doing when Meredith arrived HAD to be changed to fit the fact that Cassidy didn't have any blood on her feet.

[Cardinal]

Then how do you explain Cassidy walking around the house and going near her mom's body and having no blood on her feet?

Where Cassidy was and what she was doing when Meredith arrived HAD to be changed to fit the fact that Cassidy didn't have any blood on her feet.

You took that statement out of context, AE. Because I think the affidavit for that SW was written by someone who never talked to Meredith, I don't give a lot of weight to the statement in the SW PC that Cassidy was walking around when Meredith arrived at the house.

[annalyzer]

Dispatcher: Did you see what happened?

MF: I just came here on a fluke, I don't usually come here during the day.

:confused:

[annalyzer]

Dispatcher: Did you see what happened?

MF: I don't know. I'm here with her daughter.

:confused:

[Cardinal]

Card, you have no idea when Meredith gave an official statement. She evidently told someone Cassidy was walking around the house when she got there or it would not have showed up on a warrant.

She also said on the 911 call that Cassidy's footprints in blood were all over the house.

And she said she put her keys on the counter per her usual custom.

See all the inconsistencies in what she said or is alleged to have said? Now, can you imagine if Jason had made those statements instead of Meredith?

Everything you say will be used against you.

Or maybe whoever made the phone call to get the warrant had seen the footprints in the bathroom, and that's how it showed up on the warrant.

Other posters have addressed conversational exaggerations such as "all over the house" or "all over the place". You either have experience with those exaggerations and can accept that Meredith's statement could be one, or not.

And I don't find it particularly significant that Meredith couldn't remember where she put her keys after that experience, when I can't always remember where I put mine on a good day.

But if "all the inconsistencies" is 3 of them, then I find much less CE in those 3 statements than I do in the missing shirt and shoes, the 28 phone calls to Pat Young, and a love affair with Michelle's best friend.

JMO

JMO

[annalyzer]

Or maybe whoever made the phone call to get the warrant had seen the footprints in the bathroom, and that's how it showed up on the warrant.

Other posters have addressed conversational exaggerations such as "all over the house" or "all over the place". You either have experience with those exaggerations and can accept that Meredith's statement could be one, or not.

And I don't find it particularly significant that Meredith couldn't remember where she put her keys after that experience, when I can't always remember where I put mine on a good day.

But if "all the inconsistencies" is 3 of them, then I find much less CE in those 3 statements than I do in the missing shirt and shoes, the 28 phone calls to Pat Young, and a love affair with Michelle's best friend.

JMO

JMO

Meredith tells the dispatcher that there is little bloody footprints all over the house. According to the sw there wasn't any but in her bathroom if I remember correctly. How did MF see those footprints in the child's bathroom before dialing 911 to help her sister? :ohmy:

[Cardinal]

Meredith tells the dispatcher that there is little bloody footprints all over the house. According to the sw there wasn't any but in her bathroom if I remember correctly. How did MF see those footprints in the child's bathroom before dialing 911 to help her sister? :ohmy:

I saw a floor plan of the house a long time ago, but I don't remember much about it. Where is Cassidy's bathroom in relationship to the "office" with the computer and printer?

[annalyzer]

Why do you think this odd ?
Why would MF come to the home during the day when MY is working and Cassidy is at daycare ?

The "fluke" was Jason Young asked her to secretly go there.


Instead of saying something like, "No, I just got here." or "No, I just found her." ??

I could go on forever but you should get my drift.

[Cardinal]

Instead of saying something like, "No, I just got here." or "No, I just found her." ??

I could go on forever but you should get my drift.

You mean like her answer the first time he asked her?

DISPATCHER: Alright, what’s the problem. Tell me exactly what happened.

MEREDITH: Um…I…I…I think my sister’s dead.

DISPATCHER: Okay, tell me what happened, ma’am.

MEREDITH: I have no idea. Oh my God.




Or the second time he asked her?

DISPATCHER: Okay. Listen to me. Did you see what happened?

MEREDITH: I don’t know. Cassidy, come here, sweetie. I’m here with her daughter.



ETA: By the third time he asked her, maybe she was just trying to tell him she hadn't been there.

[Cardinal]

So what you are saying is if something isn't told officially then it doesn't have to be the truth. So when she told the first officer that the child was walking around the house that doesn't have to be the truth. I think I understand it now. What do you base this opinion of yours on?

I have no idea what she told the first officer, and neither do you. That's my point. All we know is what the officer who did the affidavit for the first SW wrote - and we don't know what he was told, or if he was told that by anyone who actually talked to Meredith - or if he was just basing it on what he saw. Do you understand that now?

[Cardinal]

What I find more unusual is she has a sister that is cold and stiff and when asked why she thinks she is dead she says I don't know. She says I don't know or I have no idea or I don't know honestly 7 times during the conversation. Then the icing on the cake "this place doesn't look like it usually does".

Actually, I think the "icing on the cake" is "...I know how it will end up...two broken hearts...."

How true.

JMO

[annalyzer]

No sorry, I don't get your "drift".
There was no script to follow based on what you may have said in the same situation. Saying she was there on a 'fluke' is very truthful and makes perfect sense to me.


I find it odd that she would be thinking of the reason she was there at that moment. She seems more concerned about that than her sister.

[annalyzer]

What I find more unusual is she has a sister that is cold and stiff and when asked why she thinks she is dead she says I don't know. She says I don't know or I have no idea or I don't know honestly 7 times during the conversation. Then the icing on the cake "this place doesn't look like it usually does".

She also says she is there with the daughter at least 3 times, it's the first thing she utters when switched over on the phone. It's like she is trying to avoid any hard questions.

[annalyzer]

MY's keys were in the house on the kitchen counter. I wonder where she usually put them when she came home? Maybe they weren't in the right place. If the keys aren't important then why did MF even mention her keys? I'm sure LE didn't say where did you put your keys when you came in. She is the one that had her story down and wanted to tell it step by step. The only problem was her story was wrong. I think if there is ever an arrest in this case it will be MF. She should have gotten an attorney and not said anything. Inconsistencies is what got BC arrested.


I think if MF had anything to do with the murder is was in cahoots with her buddy Jason. Too much CE against Jason to rule him out.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

I’m starting to see the point that the JII are trying to make. However, I don’t understand how MF knew which hotel Jason was staying at. After all she would have needed this information so that she could drive to Virginia and steal the clothes that he had been wearing. Not the clothes from his arrival but the clothes from the photos taken an hour later when he decided to go on a walking tour of the hotel.

He must have been pretty excited about staying in a hotel for the first time. Oh wait, he was a traveling sales guy. He traveled all the time.

Maybe he was restless and thinking about his special girl and the upcoming birth. Or, he could have been thinking about his wife and her pregnancy. He might have been concerned about her reaction to learning about MM. Ouch, that was going to be expensive. Child support x2.

And when he finally does go to sleep, what happens? MF bypasses the locks to the hotel and his room and steals his clothes.

[Cardinal]

MY's keys were in the house on the kitchen counter. I wonder where she usually put them when she came home? Maybe they weren't in the right place. If the keys aren't important then why did MF even mention her keys? I'm sure LE didn't say where did you put your keys when you came in. She is the one that had her story down and wanted to tell it step by step. The only problem was her story was wrong. I think if there is ever an arrest in this case it will be MF. She should have gotten an attorney and not said anything. Inconsistencies is what got BC arrested.

Why wouldn't LE ask Meredith where she put her keys? I'm sure they walked her through every minute of the time she spent in that house - step by step. That's how they do it.

You're free to think Meredith will be arrested. I don't.

JMO

[on the go]

I’m starting to see the point that the JII are trying to make. However, I don’t understand how MF knew which hotel Jason was staying at. After all she would have needed this information so that she could drive to Virginia and steal the clothes that he had been wearing. Not the clothes from his arrival but the clothes from the photos taken an hour later when he decided to go on a walking tour of the hotel.

He must have been pretty excited about staying in a hotel for the first time. Oh wait, he was a traveling sales guy. He traveled all the time.

Maybe he was restless and thinking about his special girl and the upcoming birth. Or, he could have been thinking about his wife and her pregnancy. He might have been concerned about her reaction to learning about MM. Ouch, that was going to be expensive. Child support x2.

And when he finally does go to sleep, what happens? MF bypasses the locks to the hotel and his room and steals his clothes.

Also, while JY was sleeping, MF put him under a spell -- he was to wake up, be late for a meeting, make 28 phone calls to Mom, ignore all phone calls from MIL and stay on the phone with girlfriend. WOW - she's more then Charmed.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Are you talking about the shirt that JY was wearing in the hallway? I haven't heard any more about that shirt I think it is the sweater they took in the one warrant. I think it was tan and not darK as they stated. Is there more clothes missing? Well I know the size 10 shoes are. But JY wears a 12.


I thought the tan sweater was the one he was wearing when he checked in.

[Cardinal]

Also, while JY was sleeping, MF put him under a spell -- he was to wake up, be late for a meeting, make 28 phone calls to Mom, ignore all phone calls from MIL and stay on the phone with girlfriend. WOW - she's more then Charmed.

You forgot the part of the spell where he was to call her and send her to the house. :wink:

[annalyzer]

Why wouldn't LE ask Meredith where she put her keys? I'm sure they walked her through every minute of the time she spent in that house - step by step. That's how they do it.

You're free to think Meredith will be arrested. I don't.

JMO


Perhaps they asked her where she had put her keys because they couldn't understand why they were laying on Michelle's car.

Yes everyone is entitled to their opinion. That's what is so great about message boards. We can pursue all avenues.

It looks to me that several people, after reading the previous sw, were somewhat convinced that Jason was guilty have now changed their tune with the latest sw's. Until there is at least an arrest in this "complicated" case I doubt many minds will change. :seeya:

[annalyzer]

Ya think :scared:


Yes I do and that was only my opinion. Others may not feel the same.

[Cardinal]

Perhaps they asked her where she had put her keys because they couldn't understand why they were laying on Michelle's car.

Yes everyone is entitled to their opinion. That's what is so great about message boards. We can pursue all avenues.

It looks to me that several people, after reading the previous sw, were somewhat convinced that Jason was guilty have now changed their tune with the latest sw's. Until there is at least an arrest in this "complicated" case I doubt many minds will change. :seeya:

I don't think anyone's position is going to change until then either, Anna. And I'm fine with that.

But I do wish there would be an arrest - for Michelle's and Rylan's sake.

I have to run for a while too. :seeya:

[annalyzer]

The "latest SW's" happen to be 2/08, 11/08 and 12/08.
Your mistake is considering the 18 month old, 7/07 SW's "the latest":wink:

Your mistake is not comprehending that I meant the latest released search warrants. :wink:

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Perhaps they asked her where she had put her keys because they couldn't understand why they were laying on Michelle's car.

Yes everyone is entitled to their opinion. That's what is so great about message boards. We can pursue all avenues.

It looks to me that several people, after reading the previous sw, were somewhat convinced that Jason was guilty have now changed their tune with the latest sw's. Until there is at least an arrest in this "complicated" case I doubt many minds will change. :seeya:


I don’t think an arrest will change “some minds”. Charles Manson still has a following and Richard Ramirez (The Night Stalker) has women that write him love letters. The same was true for Ted Bundy.

We don’t have to look too far to find people whose minds were not changed by the arrest of Scott Peterson. Their minds were not changed by a conviction either.

[annalyzer]

Thankfully, the cops left no stone unturned and investigated every possible angle...including Meredith Fisher.

Last I heard they were still investigating.

[Cardinal]

Yes but remember he is good friends with the Fishers. Kinda makes his comments biased. IMOO

Really? How long have they been friends?

[Lindsey]

Yep, still investigating Jason so they can make an arrest.:wink:
I guess you missed what the lead investigator said a couple of weeks ago ?

Spivey wrote in the affidavit: "I am familiar with other items of fact developed during this investigation that have not been placed in the public record to support a search warrant and, in my opinion, this evidence … indicates that Jason Young was the perpetrator."


Just to be clear ....



Off to do more Christmas stuff

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Yes but remember he is good friends with the Fishers. Kinda makes his comments biased. IMOO

He is from NY also?

Where did this friendship rumor come from? I first heard about it on here and we all know how many rumors on here turn out to be false.

Could his “biased” opinion be based on his knowledge of the investigation and the evidence?

Do you think that all cops that identify a suspect and build a case against them are “biased”?

Don’t get me wrong, I understand how the JII feel. My husband hates the sports announcer on TV when the Panthers or NC State are losing. I guess it part of the whole kill the messenger mentality. Since you can’t actually cause him physical harm, you attack his credibility, etc. Once again, this is directed towards someone that you don’t even know. However, he has burst your bubble and he must pay.

[Kat4Eagles]

Last I heard they were still investigating.


Yep, they are and search warrants are issued for looking for evidence , not clearing up statements of witnesses!!

There is one other thing almost everyone seems to forget or wants to sweep under the rug, for some reason.

If, and only because it is on several sites with the same accusation, if, MF was indeed "late" in depositing checks or cash to her niece's fund, she must have already been picked up on L E's radar.

Then the 911 cal!!

I was here when the autopsy report was released and even more discrepancies about the call were discussed.

That it just could not have happened the way MF said, that things did not match the call.

Now, we have the mystery of the keys......and it is a mystery cause it makes no sense.!!

And, again, it is trying to be downplayed, but the keys have to be considered important since they were in the s/w..

Witnesses can give wrong or mistaken info and later upon recall, correct it, but how many times do you see that in a seach warrant?

And, how many times is it described as a "revelation"?

You tell me.

People don't go around throwing keys on a car for no reason than no other better place to put them.

Oh, and a Lexus never loses that much value....nice try, though.!!

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

He is from NY also?

Where did this friendship rumor come from? I first heard about it on here and we all know how many rumors on here turn out to be false.

Could his “biased” opinion be based on his knowledge of the investigation and the evidence?

Do you think that all cops that identify a suspect and build a case against them are “biased”?

Don’t get me wrong, I understand how the JII feel. My husband hates the sports announcer on TV when the Panthers or NC State are losing. I guess it part of the whole kill the messenger mentality. Since you can’t actually cause him physical harm, you attack his credibility, etc. Once again, this is directed towards someone that you don’t even know. However, he has burst your bubble and he must pay.


You know that I respect you on and off the Board, as I do some others

from the JDI side, but you do know there is only one way to silence the

Jason supporters, and for me, that will be with the finality of an arrest.

Until then, unfortunately,just like the sports announcer,anyone can call

the plays the way they see them and until the clock is down to zero,

or time runs out for Jason, we still get to be in the game.

You mentioned the sports comparison,but, I will get :hammer: ed for it.!!

:)

Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

You mentioned the sports comparison,but, I will get :hammer: ed for it.!!

:)

Kat

Then I will publicly state that the sports reference was my homage to you.

:wink:

[Cardinal]

Yep, they are and search warrants are issued for looking for evidence , not clearing up statements of witnesses!!

There is one other thing almost everyone seems to forget or wants to sweep under the rug, for some reason.

If, and only because it is on several sites with the same accusation, if, MF was indeed "late" in depositing checks or cash to her niece's fund, she must have already been picked up on L E's radar.

Then the 911 cal!!

I was here when the autopsy report was released and even more discrepancies about the call were discussed.

That it just could not have happened the way MF said, that things did not match the call.

Now, we have the mystery of the keys......and it is a mystery cause it makes no sense.!!

And, again, it is trying to be downplayed, but the keys have to be considered important since they were in the s/w..

Witnesses can give wrong or mistaken info and later upon recall, correct it, but how many times do you see that in a seach warrant?

And, how many times is it described as a "revelation"?

You tell me.

People don't go around throwing keys on a car for no reason than no other better place to put them.

Oh, and a Lexus never loses that much value....nice try, though.!!

Kat

Hi, Kat. I've searched, and the only thing I can find about alleged discrepancies with Cassidy's fund is more gossip on forums. If anyone has a link to anything credible, I'd really like to see it. Otherwise, I'm going to put it in the same category as the boat incident, which is also on several forums.

As I've said before, listening to the 911 call is completely subjective, and I don't consider that evidence. Since I haven't seen photos of the crime scene, I can't say whether or not or statements matched.

Of course the keys were important - it was part of the PC for a SW to examine Michelle's car. (And who said Meredith "threw" the keys on the car?)

And I hope Meredith was on LE's radar - as anyone close to Michelle should have been. But the SW for Michelle's SUV was July 07 - 17 months ago. I haven't seen anything since that indicates she's even a factor in the investigation. Have you?

JMO

[Cardinal]

There is no link to discrepancies with Cassidy's fund cause nothing improper ever occurred.
Yes, continuing the discussion is nothing more that malicious gossip.
BTW, I too agree the "boat incident" is also nothing more than gossip.

Then that's 2 rumors that can be put to rest. :smile:

[Kat4Eagles]

Then I will publicly state that the sports reference was my homage to you.

:wink:


:lol:

Thank you, I guess.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Then that's 2 rumors that can be put to rest. :smile:


Doesn't matter, it is too late.

This is what happens when someone posts things as fact here, and it
causes doubt, deception,and suspicion about someone.

Can't take it back.

Can't make it go away.

Exactly the same with the boat..

Kat

[Cardinal]

Doesn't matter, it is too late.

This is what happens when someone posts things as fact here, and it
causes doubt, deception,and suspicion about someone.

Can't take it back.

Can't make it go away.

Exactly the same with the boat..

Kat

That's why I put them in the same category, Kat. You can't take it back, you can't make it go away - you can only look for facts to substantiate it and, based upon whether or not you find them, determine if it's credible.

[Cardinal]

We know the Barclay Rd 'accident' is not rumor.
I for one think it was his first attempt on Michelle's life.
The $2,000,000 accidental death benefit purchased 3 months earlier was too big to pass up :wink:

I know the auto accident is fact, but I'm reserving judgment on whether or not it was an attempt on Michelle's life. Unless Jason didn't mind if it killed him, too, and left Cassidy an orphan, I'm still inclined to believe it was an accident.

Whether or not it gave him ideas is another matter, perhaps.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

That's why I put them in the same category, Kat. You can't take it back, you can't make it go away - you can only look for facts to substantiate it and, based upon whether or not you find them, determine if it's credible.



So, basically not believe anything that is posted here.!!

That would have been good advice from the very beginning.

But, like I said, Card, a little too late now.
:wink:

Kat

Hi , btw!!

[Kat4Eagles]

I know the auto accident is fact, but I'm reserving judgment on whether or not it was an attempt on Michelle's life. Unless Jason didn't mind if it killed him, too, and left Cassidy an orphan, I'm still inclined to believe it was an accident.

Whether or not it gave him ideas is another matter, perhaps.

JMO

Card, I am sure L E has much more info about the "accidents", and

added to what was in the s/w's , if there were any truth to it,

Jason would be watching the Panthers playing the Broncos in smaller

and much less comfortable conditions right now.

:)

Kat

[annalyzer]

Yep, still investigating Jason so they can make an arrest.:wink:
I guess you missed what the lead investigator said a couple of weeks ago ?

Spivey wrote in the affidavit: "I am familiar with other items of fact developed during this investigation that have not been placed in the public record to support a search warrant and, in my opinion, this evidence … indicates that Jason Young was the perpetrator."


I guess you missed my reply to one of the dozens of times you have posted the same. The detective gave evidence to support the WDS against Jason. There was no reason to mention if anyone else was involved in the murder since no one but Jason was named in the WDS.

Now since this is still an open investigation with no suspects named, no one arrested, we are free to pursue other avenues. The latest sw indicates to me that someone stayed with the child all those hours. Who was it?

[Cardinal]

I guess you missed my reply to one of the dozens of times you have posted the same. The detective gave evidence to support the WDS against Jason. There was no reason to mention if anyone else was involved in the murder since no one but Jason was named in the WDS.

Now since this is still an open investigation with no suspects named, no one arrested, we are free to pursue other avenues. The latest sw indicates to me that someone stayed with the child all those hours. Who was it?

I admit, Anna, that's one of the pieces that doesn't fit for me - how was Cassidy kept clean and quiet all those hours? That was part of my (abandoned) Kim-as-an-accessory theory.

I have no doubt that's the reason LE was exploring the possibility of drugging. I wonder what they found?

[annalyzer]

I admit, Anna, that's one of the pieces that doesn't fit for me - how was Cassidy kept clean and quiet all those hours? That was part of my (abandoned) Kim-as-an-accessory theory.

I have no doubt that's the reason LE was exploring the possibility of drugging. I wonder what they found?


Yes Kim was a possibility until we read those emails.

[Cardinal]

They did IMO. You are free to believe what you want.

I'm giving Kim a pass for the same reason I'm giving Meredith a pass - the recent (chronologically) SWs don't point to either of them.

So, if there were an accessory, who in the world was it?

[Cardinal]

Something else - when I was reviewing all of the SWs this morning, I noticed something in the 7/5/07 SW for his Verizon account:

"Jason Young was found to engage in detailed email discussions with case witnesses about the investigation of the murder of his wife...recent June 2007 phone and text message contacts with key case witnesses who were among those he had a history of also being in email contact. This contact included renewed communications with at least one witness he had last been known to contact on the date the murder victim was found."

So, while it seems Jason may not be discussing the case with LE, it appears he has been discussing it with others.

And I wonder who the "renewed communications" were with?


ETA: Could that be the reason for the seal?

[Kat4Eagles]

I guess you missed my reply to one of the dozens of times you have posted the same. The detective gave evidence to support the WDS against Jason. There was no reason to mention if anyone else was involved in the murder since no one but Jason was named in the WDS.

Now since this is still an open investigation with no suspects named, no one arrested, we are free to pursue other avenues. The latest sw indicates to me that someone stayed with the child all those hours. Who was it?


I could not agree more.
Excellent observation !!

Kat

[Cardinal]

Sorry, forgot the link for the Verizon account SW:

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4083940/1228503982-20081205131317510.pdf

[Kat4Eagles]

Something else - when I was reviewing all of the SWs this morning, I noticed something in the 7/5/07 SW for his Verizon account:

"Jason Young was found to engage in detailed email discussions with case witnesses about the investigation of the murder of his wife...recent June 2007 phone and text message contacts with key case witnesses who were among those he had a history of also being in email contact. This contact included renewed communications with at least one witness he had last been known to contact on the date the murder victim was found."

So, while it seems Jason may not be discussing the case with LE, it appears he has been discussing it with others.

And I wonder who the "renewed communications" were with?


ETA: Could that be the reason for the seal?


Once again, from the Board, we were told that people close to Jason did not ask or talk about the murder..

I would imagine the key witnesses Jason may have texted with could be the GA friend, MM, and even MF, for that matter.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Sorry, forgot the link for the Verizon account SW:

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4083940/1228503982-20081205131317510.pdf

You are forgiven!!,
Something I recently noticed from the Caylee Board, there is no one there pretending to be an insider, no one pretending to know what is going on!!

Can you see how silly it was to predict an arrest in this case or pretend to know anything about it, when clearly almost everything here has been incorrect?

No wonder we got so far off track.

Kat

[annalyzer]

Something else - when I was reviewing all of the SWs this morning, I noticed something in the 7/5/07 SW for his Verizon account:

"Jason Young was found to engage in detailed email discussions with case witnesses about the investigation of the murder of his wife...recent June 2007 phone and text message contacts with key case witnesses who were among those he had a history of also being in email contact. This contact included renewed communications with at least one witness he had last been known to contact on the date the murder victim was found."

So, while it seems Jason may not be discussing the case with LE, it appears he has been discussing it with others.

And I wonder who the "renewed communications" were with?


ETA: Could that be the reason for the seal?


The emails with Kim could be considered talking about the investigation. I doubt that's who they are alluding to though.

[Kat4Eagles]

I admit, Anna, that's one of the pieces that doesn't fit for me - how was Cassidy kept clean and quiet all those hours? That was part of my (abandoned) Kim-as-an-accessory theory.

I have no doubt that's the reason LE was exploring the possibility of drugging. I wonder what they found?


Well , for one thing, I think if they had found out C was drugged, she would no longer be anywhere near her Dad.

Don't you?

Kat

[Cardinal]

You are forgiven!!,
Something I recently noticed from the Caylee Board, there is no one there pretending to be an insider, no one pretending to know what is going on!!

Can you see how silly it was to predict an arrest in this case or pretend to know anything about it, when clearly almost everything here has been incorrect?

No wonder we got so far off track.

Kat

This case has definitely had a plethora of "insiders"! And on the one hand, inside information can be helpful to the discussion. OTOH, however, it can skew perspectives, IMO.

I think it's just as futile to predict an arrest based on "inside information" as it is to decide someone's character/innocence based upon it. Yes?

JMO

[Cardinal]

Well , for one thing, I think if they had found out C was drugged, she would no longer be anywhere near her Dad.

Don't you?

Kat

Maybe. Then again, how to prove who drugged her?

[annalyzer]

Well , for one thing, I think if they had found out C was drugged, she would no longer be anywhere near her Dad.

Don't you?

Kat

They'd first have to prove who drugged her.

[Kat4Eagles]

The emails with Kim could be considered talking about the investigation. I doubt that's who they are alluding to though.


I think the wording is key here.

Last known to have communication with, since the day of the murder.

Now, we know that he continued to stay in contact with MM.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

This case has definitely had a plethora of "insiders"! And on the one hand, inside information can be helpful to the discussion. OTOH, however, it can skew perspectives, IMO.

I think it's just as futile to predict an arrest based on "inside information" as it is to decide someone's character/innocence based upon it. Yes?

JMO

No, but nice try.

You are good though!!

:)

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Maybe. Then again, how to prove who drugged her?


According to the s/w's their belief was that Jason may have.

Kat

[Cardinal]

No, but nice try.

You are good though!!

:)

Kat

Busted!! LOL

To respond to your other post, you're right - we know he continued to stay in contact with MM. So who else could it have been?

ETA: And before you say Meredith or Linda, I would think he'd been in contact with them between the murder and the funeral. :biggrin:

[annalyzer]

I think the wording is key here.

Last known to have communication with, since the day of the murder.

Now, we know that he continued to stay in contact with MM.

Kat


By "witness" they could mean anyone that told them anything regarding the investigation.

[Kat4Eagles]

Busted!! LOL

To respond to your other post, you're right - we know he continued to stay in contact with MM. So who else could it have been?



Well, Jason had to see MF at the funeral for Michelle, that is a fact.

What personal contact they had after is unknown.

The GA friend and her husband , maybe?

Kat

[Cardinal]

Well, Jason had to see MF at the funeral for Michelle, that is a fact.

What personal contact they had after is unknown.

The GA friend and her husband , maybe?

Kat

That was my first thought, too. But did he talk to her "...on the date the murder victim was found." [emphasis added]

I think it may be someone we don't know about.

[Kat4Eagles]

By "witness" they could mean anyone that told them anything regarding the investigation.

Any ideas??

Kat

[annalyzer]

That was my first thought, too. But did he talk to her "...on the date the murder victim was found." [emphasis added]

I think it may be someone we don't know about.


Yeah, forget my last post. It'd have to be someone he last had contact with on the day of the murder. Or at least that is how it is worded in the sw. Someone who he was familiar enough with that he'd talk about the investigation with them.

[Kat4Eagles]

That was my first thought, too. But did he talk to her "...on the date the murder victim was found." [emphasis added]

I think it may be someone we don't know about.


A mysterious unknown witness?

Cool, this case could use some excitement!!

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Yeah, forget my last post. It'd have to be someone he last had contact with on the day of the murder. Or at least that is how it is worded in the sw. Someone who he was familiar enough with that he'd talk about the investigation with them.


Could be a neighbor.

If guilty, he may had called one of them wanting to know if anyone "saw" anything.

Maybe even the newspaper carrier.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Yeah, forget my last post. It'd have to be someone he last had contact with on the day of the murder. Or at least that is how it is worded in the sw. Someone who he was familiar enough with that he'd talk about the investigation with them.


Could be a neighbor.

If guilty, he may had been wanting to know if anyone "saw" anything.

Maybe even the newspaper carrier.

Kat


Ps. Did Michelle and Jason subscribe to the paper?
Did the carrier actually get that close to the home?

[Hey Paula]

Something else - when I was reviewing all of the SWs this morning, I noticed something in the 7/5/07 SW for his Verizon account:

"Jason Young was found to engage in detailed email discussions with case witnesses about the investigation of the murder of his wife...recent June 2007 phone and text message contacts with key case witnesses who were among those he had a history of also being in email contact. This contact included renewed communications with at least one witness he had last been known to contact on the date the murder victim was found."

So, while it seems Jason may not be discussing the case with LE, it appears he has been discussing it with others.

And I wonder who the "renewed communications" were with?


ETA: Could that be the reason for the seal?

I think the "renewed communications" witness might be MM because IIRC, JY communicated with her on the day Michelle was found, and might have been discussing the case with her hoping to rekindle their relationship.

IMO

[Cardinal]

I think the "renewed communications" witness might be MM because IIRC, JY communicated with her on the day Michelle was found, and might have been discussing the case with her hoping to rekindle their relationship.

IMO

According to the Nov 2006 SW, Jason never discontinued contact with MM after the murder, so I don't think it's her.

Who would he have communicated with on Nov 4? It could only have been a "friend", IMO.

[annalyzer]

Could be a neighbor.

If guilty, he may had been wanting to know if anyone "saw" anything.

Maybe even the newspaper carrier.

Kat


Ps. Did Michelle and Jason subscribe to the paper?
Did the carrier actually get that close to the home?

Someone who he was familiar enough with to have their email address. Doubt it would the newspaper carrier. Was he that close with any of his neighbors?

[Hey Paula]

According to the Nov 2006 SW, Jason never discontinued contact with MM after the murder, so I don't think it's her.

Who would he have communicated with on Nov 4? It could only have been a "friend", IMO.

Could it have been the GA friend perhaps?

[Cardinal]

Could it have been the GA friend perhaps?

Maybe. But she's married to his close friend and former roommate. I wouldn't think there'd be a gap from Nov 2006 to June 2007 in their contact.

I really think it's someone we don't know about.

JMO

[Hey Paula]

Maybe. But she's married to his close friend and former roommate. I wouldn't think there'd be a gap from Nov 2006 to June 2007 in their contact.

I really think it's someone we don't know about.

JMO

The reason I thought it might be her is that it seems reasonable that JY would contact the GA friend, upon "learning" Michelle was murdered, to ask her questions about what might have occurred that night. Undoubtedly, the GA was questioned by LE and perhaps JY steered clear of discussing the case with anyone. Something, we might not be aware of, might have caused JY to resume contact and have discussions with her about the case.

Do you think JY might have perhaps been having an affair with someone else and that person might be the "renewed contact"? I also keep thinking about the therapist's "specialty" and wonder if JY had other kinds of relationships.

IMO

[achristie]

According to the Nov 2006 SW, Jason never discontinued contact with MM after the murder, so I don't think it's her.

Who would he have communicated with on Nov 4? It could only have been a "friend", IMO.

I could be wrong , but I thought they stopped communicating for a time then resumed like a year later. Too lazy to research it, but that's how I remember it.

MOO Aggie

[Hey Paula]

I could be wrong , but I thought they stopped communicating for a time then resumed like a year later. Too lazy to research it, but that's how I remember it.

MOO Aggie

Hi Aggie!

After having read that portion of the SW, my immediate thought was that it was MM. So perhaps, although not consciously being aware of remembering it the same way, it formed part of my thinking.

[Hey Paula]

Hey Paula

Actually JY had lunch with RS and SS in the days before the funeral.
Keep in mind, nearly all the 'buds' on both sides refused to believe he could have done this and supported him....in the early weeks that is.
Of course, that quickly changed as the news of the affair came out and his story of "swinging by Brevard" was not adding up .

Thanks for your reply, RPD.

So, JY remained in touch with RS and SS for at least several weeks after Michelle was murdered. If so, I don't think she is the "renewed contact". I think it is MM and she might prove to be a key witness when JY is finally brought to justice.

IMO


Goodnite, Cardinal! :seeya:

[Kat4Eagles]

Someone who he was familiar enough with to have their email address. Doubt it would the newspaper carrier. Was he that close with any of his neighbors?


Hi again, Anna.

I only meant he may have contacted someone he thought was a witness.

Like the newspaper carrier for instance.

No way of knowing who it was though.

No one knows for sure no matter what !!

We sure have learned that here.

:)

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Thanks for your reply, RPD.

So, JY remained in touch with RS and SS for at least several weeks after Michelle was murdered. If so, I don't think she is the "renewed contact". I think it is MM and she might prove to be a key witness when JY is finally brought to justice.

IMO


Goodnite, Cardinal! :seeya:

MM and Jason were in constant contact, how do you figure that?

How is she going to be a key witness, when she wanted and was hoping for a baby with Jason while he was married to one of her best friends?
Kat

[JHP]

How many witnesses do we know about? Witness number1 and witness number 2 in the warrants. The new paper man and MF. Does anybody remember any more?

The GA friend, the therapist. I'm sure there are more. Maybe people she worked, with and also the people Jason worked with that thought he was inappropriate.

And we mustn't forget MM.