Dec. 7th thru 14th

[LindaNJ1216]

I believe it is dangerous to carry that much cash around. Especially for a female. I hope you keep the cash hidden so that it isn't visible when you pay for something. I was almost the victim of purse snatching or mugging because a man saw a large bill in my wallet at the 7-11. He waited for me to leave and was starting towards me, when my husband stepped up. The other man ran down the side street.

It was fortunate that my husband was waiting outside the door for me.


Wow, how scary! I'm glad your husband was there.

I am very discreet, it's tucked and zippered in my wallet, I always separate roughly what I am going to spend that trip and keep it in another part of my wallet.

[JD1974]

Well today is my Birthday and my only wish is to have the boy released to his momma. :rose:

Happy Birthday, hopefully your wish will come true!

[JD1974]

Good morning. It's a dark and dreary day here and I'm ready to wipe the sleep from my eyes and resume reading. :)

I'm 49 and my medical history is still pretty thin. Unless a kid is born with some sort of defect or gets into a bad wreck, I would expect a thin medical history. I guess asthma might account for a thick medical file....

My medical file is so thick it has been thinned out by my doctor 4 times and that is just since I started seeing him when I was 18, I am now 34 lol BUT I also had 6 kids, serious back injuries, couple surgeries. You wouldn't believe all the stuff some of the doctors keep in there! I seen tests I had done about my gallbladder when I was 18.

You really never know what could be in this little boys file, I hope it is nothing bad though, depending on the seriousness of his asthma, that could account for a lot of it, on the other hand he is only 8 years old, the other thing could be any problems from when he was younger that are related to being born premature. It also depends on if this is the same doctor he has had since he was born....

[JD1974]

I always roll with three or four hundred, just in case. I never carry a credit card. I keep it home for emergencies and major purchases to increase the warranties. I don't even carry a debit card anymore after I learned I was paying higher prices for using it. I do not find it odd at all.

You do know the trick about debit cards is to use them as credit, you do have a choice. It is only if you literally use them as a debit card, as in putting your pin in that the bank adds charges onto your purchase.

[muska]

Nothing ! -no juvi, -no trial, -no punishment cause he is below 14 years old and he is a minor. He would get the help he need now. The youth office would have a look at him and his family. He would be send to his mom or to a foster family with good background. Our law is very strict in this, childcare goes for punishment and justice. If he was 14 to 18 he can face a maximum charge of 15 years with the possibility of parole after a few years. in Germany you could not be sentenced as adult if you are not 18 years old.

Sounds very compassionate! Do people seem happy with the way your system works? Do you know if most European countries have similar juvenile systems?

[JD1974]

yes, they get their help also, because the system is more based on rehabilitation. Normally all prison inmates get their help when needed. unfortunately the victim´s had more problem´s to get help when needed,- and that´s the only thing I can´t get conform with our law system.


That does sound like a good system, if only the victim could get more help then it would be even better. I am just one of those people that think a minor is a child, my 16 year old cannot consent to get married without my permission, she cannot even be seen by a doctor without my permission, yet if she were to commit a crime she would be an "adult". Even stranger is since she is a minor, she couldn't even take a plea bargain if one was offered, I would have to decide. How odd is that, the child is legally an adult in court yet cannot even decide to take a plea bargain on their own.

I hear the arguments that driving,being able to smoke, drink, vote, get married, live on their own are privledges, they are privledges earned by age, nothing else. As I said if anyone can show me where you somehow earn the privledge to do any of the things listed based on anything other than just age, maybe I will change my opinion. I personally do not remember having to do anything to earn the privledge to drink except turning 21.

[Justice_Dawg]

I am wondering about that, as well. :confused:

From reading the transcript of the 19th? Is that were you are getting the feeling also?

[muska]

From the WSJ article:



I'm heartened by the tone of the WSJ article in general, but the above quote completely misrepresents what the boy said. He didn't "calmly describe" anything. He gave cryptic answers to leading questions. I wonder if the reporter even watched the interview.

You're right; I liked the rest of the article so much that I had overlooked that first sentence. Too bad it started like that when everything else seemed positive. I sent a message to the writer and mentioned that concern. I'm glad you noticed.

[Justice_Dawg]

You're right; I liked the rest of the article so much that I had overlooked that first sentence. Too bad it started like that when everything else seemed positive. I sent a message to the writer and mentioned that concern. I'm glad you noticed.

The Wall Street Journal has an interest. That is funny.:lol:

[muska]

The Wall Street Journal has an interest. That is funny.:lol:

We know they supported the Wall Street bailout; maybe they'd like to support the bail out of some underfunded support services for children....I kind of doubt it though.

[Justice_Dawg]

We know they supported the Wall Street bailout; maybe they'd like to support the bail out of some underfunded support services for children....I kind of doubt it though.

It would be nice.

[muska]

We used to get the WSJ. I haven't subscribed for the past few years, but I remember that they did run some general interest articles like this one and when they did, I think they tended to be better researched and more objective than most newspapers.

[Justice_Dawg]

We used to get the WSJ. I haven't subscribed for the past few years, but I remember that they did run some general interest articles like this one and when they did, I think they tended to be better researched and more objective than most newspapers.

Yes, and people like my parents who have Millions read it everyday! Maybe someone like that WILL do something about it!

[bkwits]

From reading the transcript of the 19th? Is that were you are getting the feeling also?

Yes, the judge and as well as the defense seemed to be concerned about whether the investigagtion was ongoing. IOW, LE is still investigating other avenues, not just that the child was the shooter. Carylon assured them it is an ongoing investigation.

So I think there is at least some doubt from LE. IMO

[wolfi_2]

Sounds very compassionate! Do people seem happy with the way your system works? Do you know if most European countries have similar juvenile systems?



I thing all European community nation´s had a more or less similar juvenile law. I think there are even the same pro and contras for our juvenile law , but I think the most people don't like to charge children below 12, if I speak with friend's and colleagues about this current case, they were frightened about the possibility that kid´s can be prosecuted as adult´s.

[Justice_Dawg]

Yes, the judge and as well as the defense seemed to be concerned about whether the investigagtion was ongoing. IOW, LE is still investigating other avenues, not just that the child was the shooter. Carylon assured them it is an ongoing investigation.

So I think there is at least some doubt from LE. IMO

ITA! I got a feeling so strong after reading that....

[tif]

We used to get the WSJ. I haven't subscribed for the past few years, but I remember that they did run some general interest articles like this one and when they did, I think they tended to be better researched and more objective than most newspapers.

The WSJ online has been free since early this year.

[muska]

The WSJ online has been free since early this year.

I tried to read the comments at the end of the article but it said I had to sign up for a subscription if I wanted to read them. Maybe they had a free promotional subscription earlier in the year?

[tif]

I tried to read the comments at the end of the article but it said I had to sign up for a subscription if I wanted to read them. Maybe they had a free promotional subscription earlier in the year?

No, before they made the change in January or February, you couldn't read entire articles without a paid subscription. Registration is now free, but it lets me read the comments without even logging in. Maybe it's like the Washington Post online. Registration is free but you can only read a couple articles before you're forced to log in to continue reading.

[muska]

It's in the news that the guilty conviction in the case of the Texas boy who killed his father when he was 10 has been reversed. That boy(Lohstroh) was found guilty when he was 12 and sentenced to 10 years but at the time they said he'd probably only serve three. Now he's 14 so I doubt if they'll retry him, he's already almost served the 3 years anyway. There was a long list of reasons for the reversal....probably another example of the system not working for someone so young, and he was two years older than the boy in the current case.

[Kara]

You do know the trick about debit cards is to use them as credit, you do have a choice. It is only if you literally use them as a debit card, as in putting your pin in that the bank adds charges onto your purchase.
I'm never charged a fee for using my debit card. Of course I don't pay anything for my credit card either because I don't carry a balance.

I use my debit card for 90% of my purchases and use my credit card for items that I want the extra protection of a credit card. (like insurance on car rentals and warranty stuff)

But, I've never paid more for anything by using a debit card. Sometimes you can get a discount for paying cash...but a debit card is treated as cash by merchants.

Debit cards do not give the the added protection that a credit card can on transactions...but I prefer to use debit over credit for most purchases.

[bkwits]

It's in the news that the guilty conviction in the case of the Texas boy who killed his father when he was 10 has been reversed. That boy(Lohstroh) was found guilty when he was 12 and sentenced to 10 years but at the time they said he'd probably only serve three. Now he's 14 so I doubt if they'll retry him, he's already almost served the 3 years anyway. There was a long list of reasons for the reversal....probably another example of the system not working for someone so young, and he was two years older than the boy in the current case.

OMG, I just read the court's ruling in that case. What kind of people are/were those parents. Their marriage was like that movie "War of the Roses."

It makes me want to cry. There were so many warnings out there for these two young boys. The system failed these children miserably, and the parents did as well. I pray this young boy gets the help and love that he so clearly needs.

:crying:

[muska]

OMG, I just read the court's ruling in that case. What kind of people are/were those parents. Their marriage was like that movie "War of the Roses."

It makes me want to cry. There were so many warnings out there for these two young boys. The system failed these children miserably, and the parents did as well. I pray this young boy gets the help and love that he so clearly needs.

:crying:

I remember being amazed that the mother wasn't charged with anything. She made her kids' lives miserable. She should have been the one sent to jail!

[bkwits]

I remember being amazed that the mother wasn't charged with anything. She made her kids' lives miserable. She should have been the one sent to jail!

Was the younger boy left in custody of the mother after the death of the father?

[muska]

Was the younger boy left in custody of the mother after the death of the father?

The paternal grandparents got custody of the younger boy. The mother seemed to be the person the older one trusted; I don't know if that changed over the years. Both parents seemed to make things really difficult for the kids. That case was mostly kept out of the news;maybe that was easier to do 4 years ago, I don't know. The media in this current case sounds out of control - trucks with microphones at the detention center....pretty unethical.

[FurthurBB]

I'm never charged a fee for using my debit card. Of course I don't pay anything for my credit card either because I don't carry a balance.

I use my debit card for 90% of my purchases and use my credit card for items that I want the extra protection of a credit card. (like insurance on car rentals and warranty stuff)

But, I've never paid more for anything by using a debit card. Sometimes you can get a discount for paying cash...but a debit card is treated as cash by merchants.

Debit cards do not give the the added protection that a credit card can on transactions...but I prefer to use debit over credit for most purchases.

This is OT, but, there was a court case against Visa brought by Walmart. I think they were complaining that they were forced to take their debit cards like a credit card even though the transaction is not secure, or cost them money or something. Well, Walmart won and now the banks have to pay a fee, instead of getting paid like with credit cards, for debit card transactions. I think all but 5 banks pass those charges, or more, onto customers. Here is a little article that somewhat explains this. I am sure you could find more.

http://www.filife.com/stories/the-hidden-cost-of-debit-cards

[Justice_Dawg]

I am not so sure I object to the media's behavior. I sort of think that this case needs more exposure. I think if more people had more information, then there would be more attention on St. John's and the fact that this little boy is being held there with literally no evidence. This should be a national outrage. 10 years ago the media was going nuts over a little Cuban boy whose father wanted him home, yet this boy is a US citizen and basically is getting his rights trampled on. This could easily happen to any of our kids, folks.

If something happened to you, would you feel comfortable having law enforcement question your kids alone in a room and leading them into a confession like this? Or would you want someone there to protect them?

IMO

No. I would not feel comfortable having law enforcement question my child alone. At the age of 8 my son would have convinced "them" that the teenage Ninja turtles helped him! (That is why he is going to be a good attorney!)

[muska]

aI am not so sure I object to the media's behavior. I sort of think that this case needs more exposure. I think if more people had more information, then there would be more attention on St. John's and the fact that this little boy is being held there with literally no evidence. This should be a national outrage. 10 years ago the media was going nuts over a little Cuban boy whose father wanted him home, yet this boy is a US citizen and basically is getting his rights trampled on. This could easily happen to any of our kids, folks.

If something happened to you, would you feel comfortable having law enforcement question your kids alone in a room and leading them into a confession like this? Or would you want someone there to protect them?

IMO

I was just saying that things like the microphones and 4 hour call-in were over the top. I do think you're right, though, that in this case the boy might be better assured fair treatment if there was greater national attention. This case might also make people consider what should happen with preteens in similar situations in the future. Any ideas about how to get some positive national attention?

[muska]

I am not so sure I object to the media's behavior. I sort of think that this case needs more exposure. I think if more people had more information, then there would be more attention on St. John's and the fact that this little boy is being held there with literally no evidence. This should be a national outrage. 10 years ago the media was going nuts over a little Cuban boy whose father wanted him home, yet this boy is a US citizen and basically is getting his rights trampled on. This could easily happen to any of our kids, folks.

If something happened to you, would you feel comfortable having law enforcement question your kids alone in a room and leading them into a confession like this? Or would you want someone there to protect them?

IMO

If my child was treated as this one was I'd be terrified, furious and desperate. I read that the attorney in the Ryan Harris case said that those boys' confession would not have happened in Winnetka, IL. They took advantage of this boy because they could; his rights were denied.

[bkwits]

No. I would not feel comfortable having law enforcement question my child alone. At the age of 8 my son would have convinced "them" that the teenage Ninja turtles helped him! (That is why he is going to be a good attorney!)

LOL, my grandson would have said Buzz Lightyear or the Men in Black.

[bkwits]

If my child was treated as this one was I'd be terrified, furious and desperate. I read that the attorney in the Ryan Harris case said that those boys' confession would not have happened in Winnetka, IL. They took advantage of this boy because they could; his rights were denied.

I agree with the attorney you mentioned. Winnetka is a wealthy Chicago suburb and I am sure the parents would have had attorneys, etc. It would not have happened in Winnetka.

However, this was two small, poor, 7 & 8 year old African/American boys from the south side of Chicago. They were denied any rights and railroaded into a confession. LE even told them what to say. Then LE said the boys confessed to elements of the crime that only the perps would know. The kids were completely innocent. It was the work of a serial rapist/murderer, who was left free to roam and rape a 5 year old girl, while these little kids were being framed. :cursing:

[Justice_Dawg]

LOL, my grandson would have said Buzz Lightyear or the Men in Black.

And he would have been convincing, huh? It's funny and it's true!!!

Especially with only children or different sex children.
Now my daughter at that age would have followed any lead they gave her and made it into a theatre production.

IMO- The "confession" means nothing.

I hope LE is banned from ever doing an "interview" with anyone under the age of 18 without an adult or attorney present.:cursing:

[Kara]

This is OT, but, there was a court case against Visa brought by Walmart. <snipped>Hmmm....interesting. I guess I have a good bank. :)

[bkwits]

I agree with the attorney you mentioned. Winnetka is a wealthy Chicago suburb and I am sure the parents would have had attorneys, etc. It would not have happened in Winnetka.

However, this was two small, poor, 7 & 8 year old African/American boys from the south side of Chicago. They were denied any rights and railroaded into a confession. LE even told them what to say. Then LE said the boys confessed to elements of the crime that only the perps would know. The kids were completely innocent. It was the work of a serial rapist/murderer, who was left free to roam and rape a 5 year old girl, while these little kids were being framed. :cursing:

Just to add one more thing to the Ryan Harris case (to illustrate the lengths that LE goes to take advangtage of youngsters). Eleven year old Ryan was seen with a grown man by three eyewitnesses. Chicago LE chose to ignore that in favor of prosecuting the children. :cursing:

[suzanne]

Hi:smile:

Well,I have been reading about this little boys story and his case on another board and I was told his story was over here too.You have alot of good information over here covering his story.I really like the links section.I feel the police really screwed up here and jumped the gun on alot of things.This confession never should have happened with out a parent or his lawyer in the room and he should have been read his miranda rights.All this was a real mess in my IMHO.I feel if this little boy did these shootings and that is IF he did then I want to know what provoked him to do this or what led up to this.I guess I want proof he did this first and I don't see it.The evidence is not even back yet.Then I want to know why he did it if he did.

[bkwits]

And he would have been convincing, huh? It's funny and it's true!!!

Especially with only children or different sex children.
Now my daughter at that age would have followed any lead they gave her and made it into a theatre production.

IMO- The "confession" means nothing.

I hope LE is banned from ever doing an "interview" with anyone under the age of 18 without an adult or attorney present.:cursing:

Well, truth be told, I think my grandson at 8 (now 17) would have been terrified and probably told them anything they wanted to hear so that he could get to "safety." Children and adolescents ARE different than adults. At least two of my grandchildren (from different parents) have had panic attacks during adolescence. They are so ashamed of this, that they tell no one (unless they absolutely have to). I cannot believe that our society treats young children and adolescents so callously. They have fewer rights than do adults. IMO

[JD1974]

If my child was treated as this one was I'd be terrified, furious and desperate. I read that the attorney in the Ryan Harris case said that those boys' confession would not have happened in Winnetka, IL. They took advantage of this boy because they could; his rights were denied.


I have no idea what I would do if they treated my child like this, I do know I would be on the phone to every single person in power in the state though. Also probably calling every civil rights group I could think of. The first thing I would do though if I was Eryn would be to establish some kind of residence in AZ so they could argue a motion to give her some kind of custody instead of him sitting where he is now.

[JD1974]

OMG, I just read the court's ruling in that case. What kind of people are/were those parents. Their marriage was like that movie "War of the Roses."

It makes me want to cry. There were so many warnings out there for these two young boys. The system failed these children miserably, and the parents did as well. I pray this young boy gets the help and love that he so clearly needs.

:crying:



I am looking all over for this case and can't find anything? Can someone link it please, if not on the board then send me a link in a pm? I really would like to read about the reversal

[bkwits]

Hi:smile:

Well,I have been reading about this little boys story and his case on another board and I was told his story was over here too.You have alot of good information over here covering his story.I really like the links section.I feel the police really screwed up here and jumped the gun on alot of things.This confession never should have happened with out a parent or his lawyer in the room and he should have been read his miranda rights.All this was a real mess in my IMHO.I feel if this little boy did these shootings and that is IF he did then I want to know what provoked him to do this or what led up to this.I guess I want proof he did this first and I don't see it.The evidence is not even back yet.Then I want to know why he did it if he did.

:seeya:
Welcome,
I visit the other board also but do not post there. This whole case is disgraceful. The poor child in solitary for more than a month. He prob thinks he did shoot the two men, whether he did or not. IMO.

The more that comes out, the less likely it seems that the child killed the two men. Now I'm not 100% sure that that the child didn't kill them, but I am 100% sure that his rights were violated, his confession is worthless, and that LE rushed to judgement in this case. IMO

[bkwits]

I am looking all over for this case and can't find anything? Can someone link it please, if not on the board then send me a link in a pm? I really would like to read about the reversal


I think this case is relevant to what we are discussing on this thread. Here is the link I found and on that page is a link to the court's opinion

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8053324&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[suzanne]

Hi
Thankyou for welcoming me bkwits.I agree this little boy is probably very confused right now.

[muska]

Just to add one more thing to the Ryan Harris case (to illustrate the lengths that LE goes to take advangtage of youngsters). Eleven year old Ryan was seen with a grown man by three eyewitnesses. Chicago LE chose to ignore that in favor of prosecuting the children. :cursing:


I wonder if the St Johns police are actually still looking for other possible suspects. To be honest, I doubt it. They're going to look pretty bad if it turns out the boy didn't do this. The boy's attorney asked in court if they were only saying they're still looking so he won't be able to say later that they closed the case too fast. I think they're probably just building a case against the boy, not looking at other possibilities. I hope I'm wrong.

[Justice_Dawg]

I wonder if the St Johns police are actually still looking for other possible suspects. To be honest, I doubt it. They're going to look pretty bad if it turns out the boy didn't do this. The boy's attorney asked in court if they were only saying they're still looking so he won't be able to say later that they closed the case too fast. I think they're probably just building a case against the boy, not looking at other possibilities. I hope I'm wrong.

The Prosecution admitted it was an ongoing investigation.

[bkwits]

I wonder if the St Johns police are actually still looking for other possible suspects. To be honest, I doubt it. They're going to look pretty bad if it turns out the boy didn't do this. The boy's attorney asked in court if they were only saying they're still looking so he won't be able to say later that they closed the case too fast. I think they're probably just building a case against the boy, not looking at other possibilities. I hope I'm wrong.

I wonder about that also. Don't they know anything? So far the only "evidence"we've heard against the child that is that he was calling to Tim to come in the house. Per Tonya Romans. There could be more than one explanation for that. The "confession" IMO lends more credence to his innocence than to his guilt.

[suzanne]

Didn't the little boy on the confession tape say he called Tim Tim from down the road.Maybe she heard that on the cell phone.But I do not know why she did not hear any gun shots then though.

[muska]

I wonder about that also. Don't they know anything? So far the only "evidence"we've heard against the child that is that he was calling to Tim to come in the house. Per Tonya Romans. There could be more than one explanation for that. The "confession" IMO lends more credence to his innocence than to his guilt.

If Tim told his wife that the boy was calling, it wouldn't mean much because he might have said that so he could get off the phone.... maybe someone was there that he wanted to talk to, maybe the shooter. If Mrs. Romans actually heard a voice, I just don't think she could confidently identify a voice from inside the house over the phone...especially considering she couldn't even hear a single gunshot. That's not to say anything bad about her, I just think she could be mistaken.

[bkwits]

If Tim told his wife that the boy was calling, it wouldn't mean much because he might have said that so he could get off the phone.... maybe someone was there that he wanted to talk to, maybe the shooter. If Mrs. Romans actually heard a voice, I just don't think she could confidently identify a voice from inside the house over the phone...especially considering she couldn't even hear a single gunshot. That's not to say anything bad about her, I just think she could be mistaken.

What I think that possibly happened was that the child came in the house while Tim was on the phone in the truck. The shooter had already shot the dad and was hidig inside or outside waiting for Tim to come out of the truck. Child called Tim, then Tim was shot coming towards the house.

Child runs to get help from neighbor. IMO

[JD1974]

I think this case is relevant to what we are discussing on this thread. Here is the link I found and on that page is a link to the court's opinion

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8053324&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


Thank you! I wanted to read what went on considering the age of the child, so I also thought it was relevant based on the age factor.

[lurkinghere2]

Hi:smile:

Well,I have been reading about this little boys story and his case on another board and I was told his story was over here too.You have alot of good information over here covering his story.I really like the links section.I feel the police really screwed up here and jumped the gun on alot of things.This confession never should have happened with out a parent or his lawyer in the room and he should have been read his miranda rights.All this was a real mess in my IMHO.I feel if this little boy did these shootings and that is IF he did then I want to know what provoked him to do this or what led up to this.I guess I want proof he did this first and I don't see it.The evidence is not even back yet.Then I want to know why he did it if he did.
Hi Suzanne.... :seeya:

[lurkinghere2]

What I think that possibly happened was that the child came in the house while Tim was on the phone in the truck. or child was in home when dad got homeThe shooter had already shot the dad and was hidig inside or outside waiting for Tim to come out of the truck. Child called Tim, then Tim was shot coming towards the house.

child in shock over what he saw sees his dad "suffering" and he does shoot to end it, then get the presence of mind to get help

Child runs to get help from neighbor. IMO

edited in bold to add my theory into yours.

Also, child could have come home, thrown book bag under kitchen table, calls Tiffany to see if it's OK to go outside to play (there is a record somewhere that he called her & she said she was at the store. I think that call was after the Tif saying that she had talked to VR after work. He goes to get his gun to go shoot at targets while no one was home. Came home about the time dad & tim did. See's car driving off, goes up, sees Tim, goes in, sees dad, in shock shoots to "end suffering" goes to find neighbor.

[BobbisAngel]

The prosecutors want them so bad because they will show the boy "may be" competent. :glare: That is all they are worried about. Wood already knows all about the boy. His mother has told all.


How could his mother know everything about this boy when she has just began seeing him once a month and talking to him on the phone once a week. Remember in the custody paperwork that Vincent filed he said that she went for a long period of time without much contact after she moved. I don't see how she could know a whole lot about him as she hasn't been there for him.

[Pag Boi]

My bad.
You stated:
"I think everyone understands he did this"

You can find the "we all" here:


I think we all can agree, he's not average



http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12489484
see post #413

[Pag Boi]

I am not so sure I object to the media's behavior. I sort of think that this case needs more exposure. I think if more people had more information, then there would be more attention on St. John's and the fact that this little boy is being held there with literally no evidence. This should be a national outrage. 10 years ago the media was going nuts over a little Cuban boy whose father wanted him home, yet this boy is a US citizen and basically is getting his rights trampled on. This could easily happen to any of our kids, folks.

If something happened to you, would you feel comfortable having law enforcement question your kids alone in a room and leading them into a confession like this? Or would you want someone there to protect them?

IMO

I think this case needs more exposure not only because of how the justice system processes this crime and treats this child; the release of the video snippet that LE released as their proof that the child is guilty is a miscarriage of justice.

The news broke the story that 8yo commits double murder. That's the last many have heard of this case. :cuss: This child was given no rights during his interview with LE. This child has not been granted any rights since he was interviewed aka charged. Poverty has a lot to do wiht it.

The commander of the jail and a detective of one day allow the defense plenty of legal challenges down the road. But this is an 8yo child with no safe place to be released. By the time the wheels of justice turn, the damage may done. I hope for the best but fear the worst outcome for this child. JMOO

"Ongoing investigation" :barf:

[Justice_Dawg]

You can find the "we all" here:






http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12489484
see post #413

I see we have a new friend. :seeya: Thank you!

[Justice_Dawg]

How could his mother know everything about this boy when she has just began seeing him once a month and talking to him on the phone once a week. Remember in the custody paperwork that Vincent filed he said that she went for a long period of time without much contact after she moved. I don't see how she could know a whole lot about him as she hasn't been there for him.

I can see you are so well informed. I'll just let it go at that. :rolleyes:

[Pag Boi]

How could his mother know everything about this boy when she has just began seeing him once a month and talking to him on the phone once a week. Remember in the custody paperwork that Vincent filed he said that she went for a long period of time without much contact after she moved. I don't see how she could know a whole lot about him as she hasn't been there for him.


Remember that Vincent allowed Tim to "board" at their house. The same Tim that called his loving wife everyday when he got off work. The same Tim that was about to propose to his girlfriend.

Remember this is the same 8yo that hugged his stepmother when she arrived at the crime scene. The same stepmother that hasn't bothered with the kid since she consented to the child's 2nd interview w/LE, after the grandfather declined the request. The same stepmom that went to party and get her hair done after the 8yo was taken into custody.

At least the mom cares. Whether he is guilty or not. She still loves him and supports him. Does he have anyone else? :( JMOO

[wolfi_2]

Remember that Vincent allowed Tim to "board" at their house. The same Tim that called his loving wife everyday when he got off work. The same Tim that was about to propose to his girlfriend.

Remember this is the same 8yo that hugged his stepmother when she arrived at the crime scene. The same stepmother that hasn't bothered with the kid since she consented to the child's 2nd interview w/LE, after the grandfather declined the request. The same stepmom that went to party and get her hair done after the 8yo was taken into custody.

At least the mom cares. Whether he is guilty or not. She still loves him and supports him. Does he have anyone else? :( JMOO

unfortunately No!:sad:

[FurthurBB]

How could his mother know everything about this boy when she has just began seeing him once a month and talking to him on the phone once a week. Remember in the custody paperwork that Vincent filed he said that she went for a long period of time without much contact after she moved. I don't see how she could know a whole lot about him as she hasn't been there for him.

What people say in custody paperwork is not always the truth. IMO

[suzanne]

Hi Suzanne.... :seeya:

Hi :seeya:

[suzanne]

What people say in custody paperwork is not always the truth. IMO


This is very true.

[Justice_Dawg]

This is very true.

I am living proof. LOL

VR stated about smoke being blown in the childs ear?
It's an old fashion remedy. (myth)

MOO

[muska]

I am living proof. LOL

VR stated about smoke being blown in the childs ear?
It's an old fashion remedy. (myth)

MOO

He should have worried more about locking up his guns than smoke in the boy's ear.

I saw one article where the mom said she tried to see the boy more but that Vincent made it very difficult. Maybe that's why he was worried she might try to kidnap him.

[muska]

I have been wondering - now that Tanya Romans has a lawyer and is likely planning a lawsuit, doesn't that make her word about the voice more suspect? Even if she has doubts about whether it was the boy, it would not be in her financial best interest to admit that. Does that make sense?

Even in the best circumstances, eyewitness identifications are often wrong. Voice identification has to be even more unreliable.

[bkwits]

I am living proof. LOL

VR stated about smoke being blown in the childs ear?
It's an old fashion remedy. (myth)

MOO


Yes, absolutely true. An old wives tale, if you will. It was thought to cure an earache.

[bkwits]

He should have worried more about locking up his guns than smoke in the boy's ear.

I saw one article where the mom said she tried to see the boy more but that Vincent made it very difficult. Maybe that's why he was worried she might try to kidnap him.

VR told people that he didn't want his son to "be afraid" of guns. :glare:

[Justice_Dawg]

He should have worried more about locking up his guns than smoke in the boy's ear.

I saw one article where the mom said she tried to see the boy more but that Vincent made it very difficult. Maybe that's why he was worried she might try to kidnap him.


There are ALWAYS 2 sides to a story. :smile:

[Justice_Dawg]

VR told people that he didn't want his son to "be afraid" of guns. :glare:

He's 8. :confused:

Santa doesn't bring guns!:cursing:

[Justice_Dawg]

Yes, absolutely true. An old wives tale, if you will. It was thought to cure an earache.

Yep. :wink:

[Justice_Dawg]

I have been wondering - now that Tanya Romans has a lawyer and is likely planning a lawsuit, doesn't that make her word about the voice more suspect? Even if she has doubts about whether it was the boy, it would not be in her financial best interest to admit that. Does that make sense?

Even in the best circumstances, eyewitness identifications are often wrong. Voice identification has to be even more unreliable.

To sue who??? Wrongful death? Not on a minor.:tonguewag:

Maybe it was Candys voice. :w00t:

[bkwits]

To sue who??? Wrongful death? Not on a minor.:tonguewag:

Maybe it was Candys voice. :w00t:

Some here have speculated that Tonya Romans wants to sue the video games maker, since her lawyer has requested the video games that the child had.

She also might be able to sue the estate of VR or TR, but it doesn't seem like they have a lot of assets, but l who knows.

ETA Sue the Romeros for leaving guns and ammo available to child, etc.

[Justice_Dawg]

Some here have speculated that Tonya Romans wants to sue the video games maker, since her lawyer has requested the video games that the child had.

She also might be able to sue the estate of VR or TR, but it doesn't seem like they have a lot of assets, but l who knows.

ETA Sue the Romeros for leaving guns and ammo available to child, etc.

If he played any games that were about guns/killing, we would have heard about it already.
MOO

[Justice_Dawg]

No clear cut way to handle 8-year-old's case
By FELICIA FONSECA – 53 minutes ago


FLAGSTAFF, Ariz. (AP) — What do you do with an 8-year-old boy charged with two counts of premeditated murder?

Prosecutors and a defense lawyer in rural eastern Arizona are struggling to come up with an answer in the shocking case of a child accused of shooting his father and his father's friend early last month. Outside experts fascinated with the case are just as perplexed.

More:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iG_nB7rdOr3TiaL5ph3YDR5qNNTAD951VK682

[Justice_Dawg]

"It is not a crime in the traditional way we define a crime," says Marsha Levick, legal director of the Juvenile Law Center in Philadelphia, "because he simply lacks the intent to commit a crime."

While many states would allow the boy to be held accountable and even tried as an adult, Levick said that doesn't mean an 8-year-old should be thrust into the criminal justice system.

"I think there should be great doubt in the public's mind of whether this child is even guilty of the crime," she said.
:thumbup:

[bkwits]

Did the Romeros leave their front door unlocked? I know something was said about the back door being locked, which led me to believe that the front door was left unlocked. :confused:

[Justice_Dawg]

Did the Romeros leave their front door unlocked? I know something was said about the back door being locked, which led me to believe that the front door was left unlocked. :confused:

GOOD CATCH! :thumbsup:

[bookie]

Some here have speculated that Tonya Romans wants to sue the video games maker, since her lawyer has requested the video games that the child had.

She also might be able to sue the estate of VR or TR, but it doesn't seem like they have a lot of assets, but l who knows.

ETA Sue the Romeros for leaving guns and ammo available to child, etc.



I was one of the ones who mentioned they may be out to sue the video game makers. It's happened before and with the civil attorney's interest in the video games that was the first thing that popped into my head.

[suzanne]

No clear cut way to handle 8-year-old's case
By FELICIA FONSECA – 53 minutes ago


FLAGSTAFF, Ariz. (AP) — What do you do with an 8-year-old boy charged with two counts of premeditated murder?

Prosecutors and a defense lawyer in rural eastern Arizona are struggling to come up with an answer in the shocking case of a child accused of shooting his father and his father's friend early last month. Outside experts fascinated with the case are just as perplexed.

More:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iG_nB7rdOr3TiaL5ph3YDR5qNNTAD951VK682

Thankyou for the link.

[bkwits]

I was one of the ones who mentioned they may be out to sue the video game makers. It's happened before and with the civil attorney's interest in the video games that was the first thing that popped into my head.


Thanks bookie, I couldn't remember who said it. :biggrin:

[suzanne]

Did they try to dismiss both charges?Do you know why they would do that?

[muska]

This article is a week old but it has a picture of all the trucks with microphones lined up at the courthouse. Kind of crazy.

http://www.zwire.com/site/index.cfm?newsid=20202868&BRD=2264&PAG=461&dept_

[muska]

Does Judge Roca hear only juvenile court cases or does he hear adult cases too? Thanks!

Does anyone remember what the link is that lets you check whether someone has a criminal record? Thanks again!!

[JD1974]

No clear cut way to handle 8-year-old's case
By FELICIA FONSECA – 53 minutes ago


FLAGSTAFF, Ariz. (AP) — What do you do with an 8-year-old boy charged with two counts of premeditated murder?

Prosecutors and a defense lawyer in rural eastern Arizona are struggling to come up with an answer in the shocking case of a child accused of shooting his father and his father's friend early last month. Outside experts fascinated with the case are just as perplexed.

More:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iG_nB7rdOr3TiaL5ph3YDR5qNNTAD951VK682


WOW, just WOW ...I see all the experts are saying pretty much what we have been trying to say!

[Crispy]

Does Judge Roca hear only juvenile court cases or does he hear adult cases too? Thanks!

Does anyone remember what the link is that lets you check whether someone has a criminal record? Thanks again!!

http://www.supreme.state.az.us/publicaccess/notification/default.asp?id=

[wolfi_2]

just another interesting link


http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/SE/20081204/EDITORIAL/812040340

[FurthurBB]

To sue who??? Wrongful death? Not on a minor.:tonguewag:

Maybe it was Candys voice. :w00t:

I believe she thinks this is her windfall. She does not want to sue the boy, she wants to sue the people who made the video games he was playing, probably people who sell airsoft guns, the people who produce the shows he watches. IMO

[tif]

just another interesting link

http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/SE/20081204/EDITORIAL/812040340

Thanks for the link. Don't miss the first comment (only comment so far) on the article. It's really an article in itself. Both authors obviously have agendas. I think the article and the response are an excellent example of how easily the facts and the references used to make a case can be manipulated and skewed. I think it's important to realize that "experts" with an agenda are not experts. Just to show my bias, I think the author of the original article needs a break from the education business.

[bkwits]

Thanks for the link. Don't miss the first comment (only comment so far) on the article. It's really an article in itself. Both authors obviously have agendas. I think the article and the response are an excellent example of how easily the facts and the references used to make a case can be manipulated and skewed. I think it's important to realize that "experts" with an agenda are not experts. Just to show my bias, I think the author of the original article needs a break from the education business.

I thought the comment on that article was very good. Both authors used somc very broad strokes, however. I, personally, don't believe we can make an sweeping judgments from this case until we have a better idea of what actually happened.

1. Did the child shoot one or both men?
a. There are several questions here like was the child's rifle the weapon, was there more than one weaon? GSR on clothes? etc

2. Did the dad beat or otherwise abuse the child?

a. We only have the comment that the stepmom had give him 5 swats.
b. I discount the CPS version (of 1000 spankings) until I hear what the child really said. Was he coaxed as he was in the "confession"?

3. Who else had motive and opportunity to shoot the men?
a. Why would the child shoot Tim, if he was mad at his dad?
b. If the child shot Tim, why not wait until he was in the house or closer to it? i.e. There was blood by the truck.

I want to know if the child did this before I start analyzing the social implications. IMO

[muska]

I believe she thinks this is her windfall. She does not want to sue the boy, she wants to sue the people who made the video games he was playing, probably people who sell airsoft guns, the people who produce the shows he watches. IMO

I doubt if the boy was playing really violent video games; all the toys shown in the pictures were for little kids.

It might be interesting to know if the adults were playing any adult games when the boy was around. The parents would have grown up with video games and a lot of adults still play. If there were any violent games around, they could have been removed by family members before the police ever bothered to look. Again, I just think the police rushed to judgement and the whole story here will probably never be known.

[wolfi_2]

and another link

http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=26&nav=messages&webtag=ab-crime&tid=20390

[Crispy]

IMO the defense should not even consider a plea deal unless they have the results of the competency hearing.

[Justice_Dawg]

IMO the defense should not even consider a plea deal unless they have the results of the competency hearing.

The judge won't let them consider it. :confused:
Since the judge "won't go there" with the motion. That was his ruling, right?

[Crispy]

I thought that was to drop the one count. I didn't think it had anything to do with the plea deal. I could be confused though. It happens quite frequently.

[Justice_Dawg]

I thought that was to drop the one count. I didn't think it had anything to do with the plea deal. I could be confused though. It happens quite frequently.

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