P Spector's NEW Trial

[GPSpector]

Hey, let's wait until court picks back up. Then we can start all new.

Nice to see you guys, this year.:laugh:

That sounds like a great idea. No point in starting one now, just before it starts up again.

[kennedy06]

I would think a new thread for the defense's side of the case would be fine, makes sense.

[Spectorfan8]

Yes, that is a good idea.
Man we are up early this morning!!

A new thread for the defense. I do hope that My 2 Cents will post, if she is able to go to court.

SF8

[dref99]

I am in total agreement with you. The concept of "open hands" is rife throughout history. The raising of the right hand, palm out is a 1st Nations symbol of "I have no weapon to hurt you" gesture, The handshake accomplished the same psycological task, to make the other person aware you had no ill-will towards them.

To approach someone with a gun, knife, rock or club in their hand is a danger sign and implies either prepardness or intent. Either way, senescent people in open discourse do NOT behave that way. We have to be held accountable for our actions "accidental" or not.

Mortie

I very much agree Mortie - but would also add that approaching someone with a gun, knife, rock or club also involves invoking fear in the other person - to achieve a desired result. Sometimes I think it may have been an "accident" but at other times I think it relates to Lana not showing the fear and/or not believing what she was seeing. She was going "to be shown" who was in charge.

If I keep typing I will convince myself it should be Murder I!

jmo

[Jayne]

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HOW MANY OF YOU READING THIS envisioned a different career, a different goal, a different lifestyle, income or level of status, for yourself? . . . it's seems more "the norm" than the other way around. Lana's goal of "stardom" or whatever you want to label it, was a very difficult one. Lots of talent in the movie, music, sports, etc arenas, . . . but not enough "opportunities" to go around. But SHE NEVER GAVE IT UP . . most of us do, it's easier to take the job that pays more, or is closer to home, or offers better insurance, etc, etc - abandoning younger goals and dreams. But Lana was a fighter, wouldn't let it go . . . and that's the exact same reason why I believe (IMO) that she would never stick a gun in her mouth at a stranger's house and pull the trigger . . and she would never sit still and not put up a fight, if Spector tried to do it either. IMO[/QUOTE]

don't really Know who you are...but have Pm'd with you..you're a bit of a mystery to many..

but from my mouth..for what that is worth...you've hit on something...that I think many of us have thought from the outset...

Lana..in all the roles she played..YES she could have put a gun in her mouth and shot it..IF..IF pushed to do it. If she were doing herself ...in...I'd say..go with HONOUR...not in your danged mouth like an execution type murder...you either slit your wrists...take an overdose..or shoot yourself in the head..IN THE HEAD..not the mouth.

Come on...this woman was trained..for movie industry..how to deal with a Fake gun...how to figure if it was loaded..and YES..I agree with you and many others. HEY..I don't consider myself beautiful like Lana was..but DANG..if I'm gonna kill myself..it won't be through the mouth..I'm gonna leave that "face"...as much as I can.

You know? This makes more sense than anyone has brought up before...even though they have in many ways. WHY would Lana Clarkson..who had her cottage set up in pretty pink...Marilyn Monroe all around her...being so nice to others, etc. BLOW her Fricken Brains out in PS's castle by putting a gun inside her mouth? WHY?? Makes no sense at all. Gonna go there..and many will get disturbed with me..for all I've posted before...THEY WERE PLAYING AROUND..They were..I thought it from the beginning..Hey..I've been there..not in their realm or expertise, but I recognize it - the "casting couch"..and little "coochy coochy" to make "friends/colleagues". But at the time she was shot.the "game was over"..as far as she was concerned..as I see it.


That gun was either in his pocket the entire time..or next to that chair (which most people think..but I don't)...or he took that little "tryst" upstairs..while she was "cleaning up" in the bathroom..then sat down..and BOOM..there he was IN HER FACE. Think?

That holster was in that drawer because that is where he kept his gun...daily...before putting it in his pants pocket or his briefcase..each day..as he went on his daily or nighly jaunts.

Oh...yeah..I am probably wrong. But that is how I see it. He took that gun out of the holster..took it upstairs..loaded it..left the "evidence behind"..because he never intended to USE IT..went out for the night - either in his pocket or in his briefcase (again...I remember PS1..he went out to get his briefcase..why? for a danged movie? maybe...how about the gun???)..then all He** broke lose when he got home with THIS ONE..not his Usual Woman/Plaything.

jmo

crazy Jayne

[kennedy06]

I think the prosecution needs a few more assitants! Wow

Excellent points made and thought provoking posts, posted once again:thumbup:

[kennedy06]

Morite, sorry to hear what happened!

When we speak about personal responsiblity many things come to mind. Of course it is something I take seriously as others do.

I have often thought didn't any man talk to PS seriously about his gun fetish? The dangers, responsibility, maybe plain old fashioned you pull it out again and I'll........type of talk? Maybe they did and he didn't listen with that or other aspects of his life.

I think if there were ever another book written about him, the men that were responsible for protecting him, for getting him out of hot water, those would be interesting book/books to read. They would be the ones that could tell the true side of PS besides those that lived with him on a day to day basis. It makes one wonder did they feel impressed with him at first, or did it just become a paid babysitting job after awhile? I realize in the end no one was responsible for his actions other than him.

[kennedy06]

way off topic...........

but please post in new year thread. thanks

I'm not someone to tell another how to post but, That was not off topic. He was relating to personal responsibility in regards to the recent posts about Phil Spector. I understood it clearly, its about the difference between an accident and looking inside oneself to take personal responsibility. It is a part of the Phil S. story that night, what happened, will he speak up, will he accept any part of the blame for the actions that took place that night.

Well at least that is my take on his post, hope I got it right Mortie!

[dref99]

way off topic...........

but please post in new year thread. thanks

Definitely ON topic if you read my post and Mortie's answer. It was explaining the difference between an "accident" and an event for which one is definitely responsible.

And Mortie - glad it wasn't "crunch" on the computer :biggrin:

[GPSpector]

Well I hope I'm not off topic but you'll forgive me if I am because I'm new. And I certainly know very little about this case. But it boils down to this I think. Beautiful woman, worked as actress, 40 years old, working as hostess in a club. Spector comes in , she serves him a drink, he gives her a $450 tip and invites her to his castle....

He runs out and tells the chaffeur 'I think I've killed her/shot her'. She is found with a gunshot wound through the mouth. Her teeth are found on the ground which indicates she either shot herself through clenched teeth or some one else shot her. That's about the limit of my knowledge. But, if you're going to shoot yourself through the mouth, wouldn't it be usual to put the barrel into your mouth and then pull the trigger?

There was evidence that the barrel was in her mouth when it was fired.

Also, there is a new thread started where others have gone to post.