12/5 O.J. Sentencing

[warhorse46]

Five years must be served.


6 years. Gotta serve that mandatory 1 year on the gun enhancement, Judge Glass ran that consecutively.

[bchand]

Minimum of 6 years...add 1 for the gun specification I think


Beth Karas said the actual sentence is 7 1/2 yrs minimum !!!

[callmetree]

i'm just finally glad his sorry butt will be off the streets. just wish it had been longer!:w00t:

[Squeekie]

Wonder if the Goldman's will speak?

[warhorse46]

Per Beth 7 1/2 years must be served before parole elegibility. Judge Glass ran two sentences consecutively.

[JBL]

Minimum of 6 years...add 1 for the gun specification I think

6 - 15?

My work phone had to ring right in the middle of Stewart consecutive /concurrent sentences ARGGG caught tail end of OJ's

Missed viewing as I had to switch screens to work mode (Apparently someone didn't understand OJ was being sentenced!) CRIKEY!

[Beachgranny]

No more golf.... Geraldo "no more blondes"!!! ahahahaha:tonguewag::tonguewag:

[warhorse46]

Beth Karas said the actual sentence is 7 1/2 yrs minimum !!!


The longer the better as far as I am concerned.

[AnnInOhio]

Oops.

Keep adding more years.

I'm okay with that. :thumbup:

Beth is saying OJ's max is 30 years.

[Regina.Lampert]

Jack Ford said the sentence is 15 years, with parole eligibility beginning at 6 years. This is correct imo, because the kidnapping and robbery with a deadly weapon carried a set 15 year sentence.

[JBL]

I'm sure the "volunteers" were watching to get a feel for what they're in store for.

VOLUNTEERS How convuluted is that guy. You'd think he'd keep his arrogance in check for once. NOPE can't do it.

[bchand]

Jack Ford said the sentence is 15 years, with parole eligibility beginning at 6 years. This is correct imo, because the kidnapping and robbery with a deadly weapon carried a set 15 year sentence.


But Beth corrected him - she said the assault charge would add to it, so 7 1/2 years minimum.

[Maranatha]

Here's OJ's elocution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1xKdfbPe2Y

:rolleyes:

[legalmania]

I believe on appeal he will get bail plus a much lighter sentence. They will keep it out of the media, so both men can get a fair trial. The prosecutor proved they overcharged because I believe the conspiracy was dropped. He'll get a new judge and a change of venue. JMO.

[bchand]

Here's OJ's elocution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1xKdfbPe2Y

:rolleyes:

I'll save that one, thanks.

He says he's been coming to Las Vegas since 1959 and has never gotten into trouble. :cursing:

[callmetree]

Well, maybe there is justice after all.

i've waited for this day for a long time pom. couldn't have happened to a more deserving person:thumbsup:

[Beachgranny]

Horrible protesters outside! I feel for the Goldmans. I wonder if we'll hear from the Browns.

[AnnInOhio]

I'm going back reviewing OJ's statement. I'm kind of struck by his comment about how he yelled at Mike Gilbert about trying to set him up in the porno movie deal just like he yelled at Fromong and Beardsley in the hotel room that day. OJ lashes out, but everything is ok because OJ has forgiven them? I thought about Nicole and the 911 tapes we all heard years ago. How many times did Nicole end up on the other end of OJ's wrath before he finally went too far and killed her? Does OJ think that's OK too, because at least he "forgives" Nicole for pushing him so far? I'm surprised the Goldman's didn't get phyically sick at what he was saying.

[bchand]

Fred Goldman speaking now.


Some very loud protesters there too.

Kim is speaking now and they are doing a good job of ignoring them.

[legalmania]

Dreams are fun! :biggrin:

Dreams come true.

[fbgweezer]

are they being mean to the Goldmans or just celebrating?

[bchand]

are they being mean to the Goldmans or just celebrating?


Being mean. They are yelling "golddiggers".

Fred said if anything they've done caused OJ to commit armed robbery, then good !!!

[logbump]

Yelling Golddiggers:cursing:

[fbgweezer]

They were booing the Goldmans as the Goldmans walked away.

no kidding?! arnelle and scotto must have brought 'family' with them. :tonguewag:

[bchand]

Here's Riccio on Fox . lol

[Beachgranny]

For Nicole :rose:

For Ron :rose:

[callmetree]

i hope the goldmans did push him into this act! :drool: they will never have their son back nor will the brown's ever have nicole. you have to wonder what nicole's children feel about this. i do feel sorry for the families that have been destroyed that this so called man. i hope he meets all sorts of the wrong type of people in prison.:tongue:

[Vibo]

I believe on appeal he will get bail plus a much lighter sentence. They will keep it out of the media, so both men can get a fair trial. The prosecutor proved they overcharged because I believe the conspiracy was dropped. He'll get a new judge and a change of venue. JMO.

If this is a possibility, then why have trials???:crying:

[bchand]

OJtalk.com is temporarily down.


wow, that sign was effective.

[johnielee333]

I'm Satisfied With The Sentence The Judge Gave To Both OJ & CJ.
The Judge Was Fair. They Received A Fair Trial.

[Dtviewer3]

I believe on appeal he will get bail plus a much lighter sentence. They will keep it out of the media, so both men can get a fair trial. The prosecutor proved they overcharged because I believe the conspiracy was dropped. He'll get a new judge and a change of venue. JMO.


Who is 'THEY'?

(It will be YEARS before he has any shot at an appeal.)

[nsm]

What a nice xmas gift for the goldmans!!! Too bad they cant have a web cam of him in his cage!

[callmetree]

Yelling Golddiggers:cursing:

what?? nobody was chanting.... murderer? now myself, i could think of alot of choice words for the bad guy. :thumbdown: before i get slammed i realize this wasn't about the murders but when i see him thats all i see.

[legalmania]

Keep wishing.

Throw a coin in a fountain. :biggrin:

The only thing a coin in a fountain does is fund the fountain. What's your point?

[bchand]

Overrun with people trying to get on and figure out what that is. Is it set up by fans of the affable SImson? OR foes? The guy holding the sign re the site on Fox site looks like an out of shape old hippie. No clue which side he might be on.

Looks like foes. It's sorta back up as LandShark said. Very amateurish site.

[psbperu]

Ahhhh...the sweet sound of justice!

Well, OJ brought this upon himself. In no way did I buy his pathetic plea that he is "sorry" for what he did. He's sorry you bet, sorry for his pathetic little self being caught.

[Regina.Lampert]

I believe on appeal he will get bail plus a much lighter sentence. They will keep it out of the media, so both men can get a fair trial. The prosecutor proved they overcharged because I believe the conspiracy was dropped. He'll get a new judge and a change of venue. JMO.

THAT, will never happen, imo. :thumbsup:

BTW, thank you to the person who posted the youtube of simpson bowing and scraping before the Judge, I love the quiver in his lips as he was whining.

[Regina.Lampert]

Some very loud protesters there too.

Kim is speaking now and they are doing a good job of ignoring them.

What did simpson do, bus in the California jury?

[johnielee333]

Justice Was Served.
Thanks To The Jury & To The Judge.
They All Did The Right Thing.

[Songline]

:thumbdown:The Goldman's are just as much of Gold Diggers than anyone else

Becky In Texas:patriot:


The Goldmans lost their son, money meant nothing to them; It was a way to bring hardship to OJ's life and hope they would catch him in another way. and justice was done:thumbsup:
You may be an OJ fan, or relative, but OJ isa slim bucket.

[Regina.Lampert]

Judge Jackie Glass: Mr. Simpson, you are both arrogant and ignorant.


:patriot:

[Vibo]

What did simpson do, bus in the California jury?

:thumbsup: No doubt!

[callmetree]

Gold-digger's for attempting to collect a judgement awarded them in a legal court of law?

Stop :drool: over OJ. It's very unattractive...IMO.

ITA with you. oh happy day:biggrin::laugh:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Just curious..What happens to OJ's pension income???Will it go to his lawyers??for past bills outstanding..to his kids???What about his home in Florida..will it get sold???

Yale and Grasso on Insessions..9 years before parole eligibilty..

LMS:wink:

[callmetree]

Just curious..What happens to OJ's pension income???Will it go to his lawyers??for past bills outstanding..to his kids???What about his home in Florida..will it get sold???

Yale and Grasso on Insessions..9 years before parole eligibilty..

LMS:wink:

i hope his kids get it:sad:

[barskin&co.]

The Goldman's are just as much of Gold Diggers than anyone else

Becky In Texas:patriot:

That's a horrible thing to say and completely untrue.

[FREEMORE]

I believe on appeal he will get bail plus a much lighter sentence. They will keep it out of the media, so both men can get a fair trial. The prosecutor proved they overcharged because I believe the conspiracy was dropped. He'll get a new judge and a change of venue. JMO.
I agree with your post. Stewart deserves a lighter sentence. The legal system works in ways that may be more forgiving in the Stewart case. A higher court may look at it. It is not unheard of.
Now if the Goldman's and others did not like the protestors oh well. They made a choice to be there. This case was not about murder. This proves not everyone is in love with them nor OJ. I don't think the Goldman's will ever feel justice-they lost a loved one.

[Anni]

Just jumpin in~

OK so 9 to 33 yrs. I'm satisfied with that sentence as long as he does at least 9. Sounds like just punishment for THIS crime considering a gun was involved.

I heard briefly on one of the channels, FOX or Tru that Judge Jackie Glass's demeanor is in question during the trial? Gimme a break...

PLEASE please preserve this thread! I wish I could join in but chores are screamin my name. I hate when we have to get a life for real!!!

Have a nice day all and realish the thought that OJ was justly sentenced for a crime he brought onto himself. Dumb&#!*...

eta true to my form lol~ 9 to 33 per Galanter and Grasso on TTV

[Lyndawitha"Y]

It appears that Yale and Gabe think OJ is special..and needs protection..Yikes..why not just treat him like any other robber..with gun enhancement??..Its not fair he should be treated any different..let him walk in the shoes of fellow felons!! Let him get a taste of what he could have suffered if first trial wwent against him..let him taste justice for his decade long mission to keep the judgement dollars away from the Goldmans..It is indeed his vindictive nature that got him into this mess....IF HE ONLY LEARNED A LESSON..and Turned over a new leaf..when he got acquitted...but NOOO..he continued on with his selfish "Path of Life"..Shame on OJ!! He deserves this punishment..and just know he awaits yet the final punishment when he meets his MAKER!!:cursing:

LMS

[legalmania]

I don't know anything about the legal system or if what you are saying can happen, but I do know that even one day in an adult men's prison for OJ will be torture for him, because he is so completely used to having his freedom, doing what he wants, when he wants and not having to answer to anybody. So for the Goldman family, just that knowledge alone that OJ has to be reduced to a number in a jumpsuit will be some semblance of justice for them.

If there are people hollering at the Goldmans, they should be ashamed of themselves. Their only son was taken from them before his adult life even started. That family has suffered enough and anyone that is showing anything other than sympathy for that family will have to answer to their maker and pay the price.

OJ will be sent to a privately funded prison, he will have a lot of free time. Unlike you I was in the legal business and I saw a lot of high profile cases sent to prison, when I would go to visit you would think they were living in a country club. They had all the booze ,food, tv and women they wanted. They were allowed to walk the grounds and even had a golf course. Remember O.J spent a year in jail when Nicole was first murdered, he came through that just fine. I think it's time the Goldman's stop morning their sons death and start celebrating their time with him on earth. Mr. Goldman profited off of his sons death also, with his failed talk show and book deals. I would like to know how much he donated to Denise Browns violence against women or donated to any charity? Looks like it's time for the Goldman's to go back to work.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I found Gabe's comments about the Goldman\s being there rather disengenuous..this case has nothing to do with the Goldmans????Hello???It is because of the Goldman's pursuit fir the judgement owed to them ( for 10 years)..that OJ did what he did!!! Taking the Goldmans out of the equation..no way OJ woud have done what he did..No way.no how.. JMO of course..but it was the mindset to keep |His Stuff" out of the Goldman's hands that drove him to do this!!! Talk about motive!!:blink:

LMS

[RayStar]

Post 431 I agree. The Goldman's should try to forget about OJ and start living like there is no tomorrow. No one (I hope not) would ever ask them to forget about their son/brother just start living.

[Regina.Lampert]

OJ will be sent to a privately funded prison, he will have a lot of free time. Unlike you I was in the legal business and I saw a lot of high profile cases sent to prison, when I would go to visit you would think they were living in a country club. They had all the booze ,food, tv and women they wanted. They were allowed to walk the grounds and even had a golf course. Remember O.J spent a year in jail when Nicole was first murdered, he came through that just fine. I think it's time the Goldman's stop morning their sons death and start celebrating their time with him on earth. Mr. Goldman profited off of his sons death also, with his failed talk show and book deals. I would like to know how much he donated to Denise Browns violence against women or donated to any charity? Looks like it's time for the Goldman's to go back to work.


Let's see a link for this information. The last discussion I recall about which facility simpson will be caged, was this one at High Desert correctional:

http://www.doc.nv.gov/hdsp/index.php?idnum=0


As anyone can see serving time here is no day at the beach that includes any of the nonsense you posted about. IMO.

[logbump]

Let's see a link for this information. The last discussion I recall about which facility simpson will be caged, was this one at High Desert correctional:

http://www.doc.nv.gov/hdsp/index.php?idnum=0


As anyone can see serving time here is no day at the beach that includes any of the nonsense you posted about. IMO.

Can't see a golf course in that photo !

[bearwds]

[QUOTE=legalmania.... when I would go to visit you would think they were living in a country club. They had all the booze ,food, tv and women they wanted. They were allowed to walk the grounds and even had a golf course. [/QUOTE]

******************************

While I quite doubt your above Post, I know OJ could get the 'mates Free Cable TV.

I **did** like your Sig-Line---"Don't pee on my leg" ..Judge Judy's book. Think she would have been a little harsher...??


bearwds

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Just want to ask one thing. Do you have a person in your life right now that you love? If so, what price would you put for his/her life? And how long is "too long" for a parent to grieve a dead child?

So true what you ask..grieving is only the tip of the Goldman's iceberg..Its their inability to have the one person who they felt did it convicted..but was set free..and they had to accept that..so pursued a civil judgement..and won that..yet OJ avoided payment of that judgement by keeping one step ahead of "Collectors"...then to have OJ write a book essentially admitting to his part in the murder of Nicole and Ron..who was looking to benefit from that??OJ !!...and worked very hard to hide the funds collected for that..yikes..how can anyone blame the Goldmans for writing the step by step explanations to what happened to Nicole and Ron...OJ. once again looking to rub noses into what he got away with..... one can not blame the Goldmans for that BOOK..IF I Did It???????

Sorry..I find it hard to rationalize those that blame victims for seeking their due..what legally has been awarded to them..Golddiggers..Nope..Simply looking for whatever justice they can under the rules set out by the courts..not the personal vindictive stalking and hounding many other scoundrels pursuit!

LMS

[legalmania]

Just want to ask one thing. Do you have a person in your life right now that you love? If so, what price would you put for his/her life? And how long is "too long" for a parent to grieve a dead child?

I am a victim of a murdered husband. I had a seven month old baby and one on the way , I was two weeks pregnant with his son. I can't bring him back so I tell my kids of all the wonderful times we had together while he was alive. I wouldn't want money because money wouldn't bring him back and it wouldn't solve anything. He gave me two priceless gifts and I look at them everyday and thank him for that. I laugh with them, I played with them. I went through all the emotions and then let go about four years after his death. Now I look at them and see him. I miss him so much So the answer to your question my husband was the love of my life, but I made a positive out of a negative.

[emdragon]

I am a victim of a murdered husband. I had a seven month old baby and one on the way , I was two weeks pregnant with his son. I can't bring him back so I tell my kids of all the wonderful times we had together while he was alive. I wouldn't want money because money wouldn't bring him back and it wouldn't solve anything. He gave me two priceless gifts and I look at them everyday and thank him for that. I laugh with them, I played with them. I went through all the emotions and then let go about four years after his death. Now I look at them and see him. I miss him so much So the answer to your question my husband was the love of my life, but I made a positive out of a negative.

It is a bit different when you loose a child.

The law suites were not for the Goldman's to get rich they were to punish OJ by taking what was important to him..his wealth and power.

[legalmania]

******************************

While I quite doubt your above Post, I know OJ could get the 'mates Free Cable TV.

I **did** like your Sig-Line---"Don't pee on my leg" ..Judge Judy's book. Think she would have been a little harsher...??


beards

Well your wrong. Eglin Air Force Base is just one. There are many private prisons. Do you really think the Senators and Congressman do time in a hard core prison? Look at Martha and Paris they had their own cells. I had to visit several high profile cases in my legal days and the guards made sure they had everything they needed. Believe it or not.

[bigbill]

Prosectures are doing their interview now !!!!!

www.cnn.com/

www.Lasvegasnow.com

[nsm]

Guess It really is TRUE!!! OJ will be staying in VEGAS!!!! LOL:laugh:

[Regina.Lampert]

Well your wrong. Eglin Air Force Base is just one. There are many private prisons. Do you really think the Senators and Congressman do time in a hard core prison? Look at Martha and Paris they had their own cells. I had to visit several high profile cases in my legal days and the guards made sure they had everything they needed. Believe it or not.

Hey legal, do you know the difference between a State Prison and a Federal Prison? I don't think so.

[legalmania]

For someone who claims to have been in the legal business you sure don't have your facts right. FYI, he's not going to a privately funded jail. No golf course for OJ. He's going to be in solitary because he's a special criminal.

Ask the Browns how much they donated? You mean you don't know what the Goldmans' do for a living that affords them extra time off?

Maybe you have no concept of what a privately funded jail is. They put "special criminals" in privately funded jails for their safety. I worked in the legal system as a paralegal for more than 8 years. What makes you think your right? I've seen it with my own eyes, have you?

Denise Brown has been very active in domestic violence since her sister's death. She works diligently to raise funds. I have no idea what the Goldman's do for a living, all I have heard is collecting the money they won in the lawsuit, enlighten me.

[book]

He's going to prison right? Not a jail? Is this prison privately funded?

[nsm]

what prison will he go and will he be kept alone or in general population?

[legalmania]

You posted this about the private prison before he was convicted and you were wrong. The links were posted at the time.


imo

After sentencing, maybe I didn't make that clear. It's kind of hard to transfer before you know what your sentence will be. If you recall I said it takes time. He'll be moved. Only we won't know , or the immediate public won't know, I'm not wrong yet, this is just day #1.

[CatS48]

Wish there was a Phil SpectorII site - with someone who goes to court every day to let us know what is going on. We have a couple of court watchers there, but very inconsistant.
No media.

Try this site - great coverage!

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2008/12/phil-spector-retrial-day-thirteen-of.html

(Hope it is OK to poat this - please remove if not)

[legalmania]

First of all he's been convicted so he is going to prison - not jail.

Jail is where he was detained until he starts to serve his sentence.

imo

Jail and prison are the same thing. Jail is to be caged and prison is taken from the word penitentiary jail & reformatory

[book]

Aw come on Legal! There is a difference between jail and prison. Once a person is convicted and sentenced they are then moved from a jail and taken to a prison.

[iluvmua]

ok, I'm confused, Did OJ get 15 years or 33 years?

[logbump]

Try this site - great coverage!

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2008/12/phil-spector-retrial-day-thirteen-of.html

(Hope it is OK to poat this - please remove if not)
That site has some commercial aspects so CW has asked us not to post URL.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Maybe you have no concept of what a privately funded jail is. They put "special criminals" in privately funded jails for their safety. I worked in the legal system as a paralegal for more than 8 years. What makes you think your right? I've seen it with my own eyes, have you?

Denise Brown has been very active in domestic violence since her sister's death. She works diligently to raise funds. I have no idea what the Goldman's do for a living, all I have heard is collecting the money they won in the lawsuit, enlighten me.


You asked what the Goldmans have put there efforts into,..well, here is a link:

http://www.rongoldmanfoundation.org/

They too have devoted their lives to assist victims of crime..!!

LMS

[legalmania]

Nice try, but you are incorrect again. I'll help you. Read up on what the federal prison system around the country. Find the one OJ is going to. Hint: he won't be needing his golf clubs. He won't have drugs, no alchohol and no woman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._federal_prisons

Eglin Air Force base is funded by state and federal funds. He is behind bars isn't that what you wanted?

[nsm]

I have a couple of questions maybe someone here would know.
first about his large pension check he gets each month...what happens to that now?

Also, he got away with double murder....did he actually think he would walk away from this?????? Either he is very stupid or EXTREMELY arrogant.

[legalmania]

[/B]


You asked what the Goldmans have put there efforts into,..well, here is a link:

http://www.rongoldmanfoundation.org/

They too have devoted their lives to assist victims of crime..!!

LMS

Well I hope their doing good things, but I see a few red flags.

[Mr. Moto2]

It's confussing because most his sentence is to run concurrently on all 12 counts. I hope this helps

http://i34.tinypic.com/wclpg4.jpg

[book]

But he's not going to Elgin Air Force Base. He's staying in Nevada. I fail to see your point legal.

[legalmania]

But he's not going to Elgin Air Force Base. He's staying in Nevada. I fail to see your point legal.

How do you know people get transferred all the time? His attorneys will argue he need to be close to his children.

[book]

Ron Goldman was way pass baby he was a grown man, with a job. Fourteen years is way to long to obsess on their sons death. OJ was found innocent of murder. I never said they should stop whining and get over it, I said they need to stop grieving and start celebrating their sons life. I wouldn't quit call this a case it's a discussion. I've prepared a case and you have no idea the work that goes behind it.


My first husband was murdered 30 years ago, his mother still grieves. You never get over a loss of a child no matter the age when they pass.

[book]

Stating he's going to an airforce base makes no sense at all. Why is she ignoring the info that was provided more than once? I fail to see what the point is.

I don't either.............:confused:

[JBL]

I think he gets to keep it and can pass it over to his kids.

OJ is both arrogant and stupid.

Who wants to bet OJ will try and escape?

ROFL - No wonder why Bronco's been in storage instead of being sold!


Pssst: Arrogant and Ignorant.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18212957/index.html?source=CNN

[legalmania]

There no red flags, you are incorrect. Your hatred against those who lost their loved ones at the hands of OJ is not normal.

:thumb down:

First of all don't pretend to even know me. I spent two years of my life holding and hugging victims of murdered children, parents, sisters, brothers ect. According to the law OJ never killed anyone. If you don't want to believe that, that is your problem. IMO the Goldman's used their sons death for profit and I don't feel that is appropriate.

[book]

I have to agree with Mr. Goldman. If he hadn't pursued the civil judgement all these years Simpson wouldn't have found the need to first hide his assets then try to steal them back, thus breaking the law and going to jail.


IMO

[book]

They deserve a big thank you.

:thumbup:

Yes they do.


:rose: to them.

[book]

Is the blood still on the door?

I wonder when Mark Fuhrman will comment on todays sentencing?

Wow! Forgot about him. Good question!

[JBL]

Speaking of Scotto - He was conspicuously absent. Same with Prody.

I saw that Det there. First row I believe. I really liked him. Unshakeable confident.

[bearwds]

The High Plains prison transfer will be within 72-hours.

The nickname of the classification prison is "The Fishbowl".


bearwds

[legalmania]

You prepared a case; making copies for the lawyers? and this is why you hate the Goldmans and feel they shouldn't grieve for Ron anymore? Yeah ok.

Since you don't know. OJ was not found innocent. That isn't the correct term.

Did you forget he was found guilty civily and owes them 32 million?

I didn't just make copies, you obviously do not have a clue as to what a paralegal does. I'm the one who makes the attorney look good.
The proper terms is civilly responsible. Your only guilty in a criminal case. Your responsible in a civil case. I never said I hate the Goldman's I just don't agree with the way they handled their sons memory.

[AnnInOhio]

Speaking of Scotto - He was conspicuously absent. Same with Prody.

I saw that Det there. First row I believe. I really liked him. Unshakeable confident.

Shoot, I missed that! Was he smiling??

[book]

Is Stewart going to the same place?

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Ron Goldman was way pass baby he was a grown man, with a job. Fourteen years is way to long to obsess on their sons death. OJ was found innocent of murder. I never said they should stop whining and get over it, I said they need to stop grieving and start celebrating their sons life. I wouldn't quit call this a case it's a discussion. I've prepared a case and you have no idea the work that goes behind it.

First and formost one needs to understand grief..and celebrations of life..something that I felt your comments are just not understanding...It seems to me that the Goldman's way of celebrating Ron's life just doesnt follow your particular definition..:blink:..no probs..you are entitled..but you really shouldnt judge others for how they wish to honour their loved ones..they seem to just want the murderer ( albeit in their opinion) who had a judgment of cause that was found in civil court..then to pursuit satisfaction of that judgement should never be evil yet anything but a family seeking "Justice as found by a court of law"..hummmm You are part of the legal system..I would think you could understand that..maybe not?? I am confused by your particular stance that litigents should not seek payment of fines or satisfactions of adjudicated judgements..Sorry..I cant understand it?? As a lawyer..you should be backing up legal verdicts and judgements..not judging the wrongfulness of seeking that satisfication..I am so..so confused with what you are saying???

LMS:blush:

[JBL]

I have to agree with Mr. Goldman. If he hadn't pursued the civil judgement all these years Simpson wouldn't have found the need to first hide his assets then try to steal them back, thus breaking the law and going to jail.


IMO

Absolutely! Little solace his sons gone. I really hope he has some satisfaction in his relentless pursuit of OJ which is really the cruxed in why OJ commited the armed robbery.

Thumbing his nose at Goldman and the suit against him got him where's he's at.

[book]

Absolutely! Little solace his sons gone. I really hope he has some satisfaction in his relentless pursuit of OJ which is really the cruxed in why OJ commited the armed robbery.

Thumbing his nose at Goldman and the suit against him got him where's he's at.

Well as Judge Glass said 'arrogant and stupid'. I have to agree IMO.

[bearwds]

Is Stewart going to the same place?

*************************

Yes.

It will be a little different for Stewart though. In County
jail, he asked and was granted "yard privledges".

He couldn't take being locked in single cell.

Oj won't have that option, for obvious reasons.


bearwds

[JBL]

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Yes.

It will be a little different for Stewart though. In County
jail, he asked and was granted "yard privledges".

He couldn't take being locked in single cell.

Oj won't have that option, for obvious reasons.


bearwds

Obviously an affiable guy like OJ shouldn't have a problem.

They still making them shivs?

[bearwds]

[QUOTE=JBL....Obviously an affiable guy like....[/QUOTE]

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OMG...JBL..!! "affable"...!!! Thought that word had been buried very,very deep. Now, resurrected ...:scared:

...har


bearwds

[Maranatha]

Is the blood still on the door?

I wonder when Mark Fuhrman will comment on todays sentencing?

He commented on FOX! It wasn't very long, but essentially he said that OJ had over the years shown everyone who he really is, a thug. And it finally caught up with him after a bunch of other run-ins with the law.

He could've taken his good fortune at being acquitted and spent time with his children and being a good parent and simply laying low and living a quiet life. Instead he chose a different path, but one that he was always on.

Lol, I share MF's opinion.

[BobbysGirl]

ok, I'm confused, Did OJ get 15 years or 33 years?

Hi, from Fort Worth!

I am confused too. I found this link. Hope it works. Talks About the 33 yrs.

http://www.msnbc.com/id/28067187

[JBL]

Shoot, I missed that! Was he smiling??

Not a full out smile, just that confident relaxed content look. He wasn't going to miss OJ's sentencing. He was seing it to the end.

[JBL]

The High Plains prison transfer will be within 72-hours.

The nickname of the classification prison is "The Fishbowl".


bearwds


OJ should be pleased as he hates not being the center of attention. The world is really "revolving" around him now. Or is that bypassing him? Whatever. LOL

[MiamiNice1]

He commented on FOX! It wasn't very long, but essentially he said that OJ had over the years shown everyone who he really is, a thug. And it finally caught up with him after a bunch of other run-ins with the law.

He could've taken his good fortune at being acquitted and spent time with his children and being a good parent and simply laying low and living a quiet life. Instead he chose a different path, but one that he was always on.

Lol, I share MF's opinion.


I agree with MF, as well! I posted earlier on this thread how OJ should have been GRATEFUL he was set free the first time.

I believe both OJ and Joran Van der Sloot (of the Natalee Holloway Case) in their subsequent repeated acts of criminality after their initial, miraculous, "getting away with murder," are both subconsciously crying out to be stopped.


imo

[nsm]

Ron Goldman was way pass baby he was a grown man, with a job. Fourteen years is way to long to obsess on their sons death. OJ was found innocent of murder. I never said they should stop whining and get over it, I said they need to stop grieving and start celebrating their sons life. I wouldn't quit call this a case it's a discussion. I've prepared a case and you have no idea the work that goes behind it.

do you have children?

[nsm]

will he be segregrated or in general population?

[legalmania]

do you have children?

Yes I have children and I know it's painful there is nothing you can say that hasn't been said to me, I feel the way I feel and nobody can change that.

[BobbysGirl]

will he be segregrated or in general population?

HI!

My guess general pop. Either/or he won't be getting out any time soon. He is on his way to prison.

I wonder if they will sneak him out in middle of night to the Big Pen. With the media and all. Naaaaaaaaaaaah!

BG

[kellabeck]

I loved Simpson's allocution! Makes me wonder what he might have said in the murder trial...

"I didn't know that killing them was illegal! I had no intent! I was just angry, your honor, and she was a s--- and he had no right to be there! And I'm sorry. I'm sorry I was caught. And I didn't mean it."

[nsm]

Yes I have children and I know it's painful there is nothing you can say that hasn't been said to me, I feel the way I feel and nobody can change that.

I dont want to change the way you feel. If we were all the same it would be boring right? Its just that some parents feel different.
Some of us could have grown children and still think of them as our "babies". Fred Goldman will never see Ron get married, or enjoy the children he might have had. I dont think or would expect him to ever get over it. its a pain in his heart that will never heal.

[JBL]

'Justice Was Served'
Mark Fuhrman: O.J. Simpson is 'nothing but a street thug'

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462565,00.html

Plus several others speaking

[eagleeer]

First of all don't pretend to even know me. I spent two years of my life holding and hugging victims of murdered children, parents, sisters, brothers ect. According to the law OJ never killed anyone. If you don't want to believe that, that is your problem. IMO the Goldman's used their sons death for profit and I don't feel that is appropriate.
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I don't agree with everything you have said here today but we can agree to disagree. I agree with you about the Goldman's. I think that they are bloodsuckers and need to get on with their life. Now maybe they can but I fear they will milk OJ till the day he dies. It is not about their son any longer, it is about the money. I wonder if either one of them still work. With this verdict they are at the end of their gravey train. IMO

[JBL]

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I don't agree with everything you have said here today but we can agree to disagree. I agree with you about the Goldman's. I think that they are bloodsuckers and need to get on with their life. Now maybe they can but I fear they will milk OJ till the day he dies. It is not about their son any longer, it is about the money. I wonder if either one of them still work. With this verdict they are at the end of their gravey train. IMO


OH LAWD! I will never understand this line of thought. Couldn't be further from the truth.

Never ever about the money. Shallow statement.

[dinojen]

Yes I have children and I know it's painful there is nothing you can say that hasn't been said to me, I feel the way I feel and nobody can change that.

I haven't posted on this board because my feelings are most likely in the minority. Do I think OJ deserves his sentence.. no... Do I think he deserved jail time.. yes.. Do I wish Fred Goldman and his daughter Kim move on with their lives.. yes. The man annoys me to no end, I have sympathy for him and his family that they lost a son.. but I think after this many years and him trying to get every dime out of Simpson that is possible.. is ridiculous, just as I think the judgment that was handed down in the civil trial ridiculous.

No way was that civil judgment ever going to be fulfilled..so why set it for millions and millions that are never going to be seen.

So the world is all good today.. OJ is going to jail, Fred can once again make the rounds of the cable networks and expound on his hatred for OJ Simpson..

All jmho...

[Maranatha]

'Justice Was Served'
Mark Fuhrman: O.J. Simpson is 'nothing but a street thug'

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462565,00.html

Plus several others speaking

Thanks JBL! I'm terrible at finding anything at FOX, and I had looked. Now I don't have to paraphrase.

Geraldo was sure on fire!

[nsm]

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I don't agree with everything you have said here today but we can agree to disagree. I agree with you about the Goldman's. I think that they are bloodsuckers and need to get on with their life. Now maybe they can but I fear they will milk OJ till the day he dies. It is not about their son any longer, it is about the money. I wonder if either one of them still work. With this verdict they are at the end of their gravey train. IMO

Its funny how we all see things differently. I never felt that way about the Goldmans. I think they would give all they own if it would bring Ron back. I think they were driven not my money but out of agrivation that this person who killed their loved one walked away, and not to mention with a smug look on his face for all these 13 years.

[eagleeer]

OH LAWD! I will never understand this line of thought. Couldn't be further from the truth.

Never ever about the money. Shallow statement.
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Right, it's not about the money, Ha. Then why did the Goldmans file a multi million dollar civil suit and have spent all these years trying to get every dime they can out of OJ. If they only wanted him to be convicted in a Civil Trial for their peace of mind then why wouldn't they have taken what they could and moved on. Sorry that is the truth.

[Maranatha]

I haven't posted on this board because my feelings are most likely in the minority. Do I think OJ deserves his sentence.. no... Do I think he deserved jail time.. yes.. Do I wish Fred Goldman and his daughter Kim move on with their lives.. yes. The man annoys me to no end, I have sympathy for him and his family that they lost a son.. but I think after this many years and him trying to get every dime out of Simpson that is possible.. is ridiculous, just as I think the judgment that was handed down in the civil trial ridiculous.

No way was that civil judgment ever going to be fulfilled..so why set it for millions and millions that are never going to be seen.

So the world is all good today.. OJ is going to jail, Fred can once again make the rounds of the cable networks and expound on his hatred for OJ Simpson..

All jmho...

Fred Goldman annoys you? I can't imagine how he feels about the man who murdered his son, who he believes with all his heart that in return for his crime should have lost his freedom forever. Its called justice, and why would the Goldman's allow any judgment for any amount of money, money that can't replace a beloved son and brother, be allowed to slide?

The civil judgment allowed the Goldmans a modicum of control. If they couldn't see OJ lose his liberty at least they could do what they could to change the murderer's life.

Did they expect to collect? No, that was never the point.

IMO.

[fbgweezer]

I haven't posted on this board because my feelings are most likely in the minority. Do I think OJ deserves his sentence.. no... Do I think he deserved jail time.. yes.. Do I wish Fred Goldman and his daughter Kim move on with their lives.. yes. The man annoys me to no end, I have sympathy for him and his family that they lost a son.. but I think after this many years and him trying to get every dime out of Simpson that is possible.. is ridiculous, just as I think the judgment that was handed down in the civil trial ridiculous.

No way was that civil judgment ever going to be fulfilled..so why set it for millions and millions that are never going to be seen.

So the world is all good today.. OJ is going to jail, Fred can once again make the rounds of the cable networks and expound on his hatred for OJ Simpson..

All jmho...

I've never believed it was about the money for the Goldmans but just to play devil's advocate -- so what if it was about the money? There was a civil trial and a money judgement was given. Everyone that disagreed was told to respect that verdict but anything after that was what? orenthal james simpson was convicted of 12 felony counts and he has been sentenced. the NG's need to get over it -- not the Goldmans. orenthal is going to prison for -- at his stage of life -- a long time.

[fbgweezer]

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Right, it's not about the money, Ha. Then why did the Goldmans file a multi million dollar civil suit and have spent all these years trying to get every dime they can out of OJ. If they only wanted him to be convicted in a Civil Trial for their peace of mind then why wouldn't they have taken what they could and moved on. Sorry that is the truth.

maybe Fred Goldman understood what you obviously don't: it's all about possession for orenthal. now he can keep an eye on all his stuff because it's going to be real close. of course, he will have to worry about his co-conspirator arnelle and what she might be up to on the outside. I mean, there is the house, pension and somewhere that dang ring. :blink:

[Maranatha]

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Right, it's not about the money, Ha. Then why did the Goldmans file a multi million dollar civil suit and have spent all these years trying to get every dime they can out of OJ. If they only wanted him to be convicted in a Civil Trial for their peace of mind then why wouldn't they have taken what they could and moved on. Sorry that is the truth.

That's the truth? Do you have a link to back up this truth or is it simply your opinion?

[nsm]

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Right, it's not about the money, Ha. Then why did the Goldmans file a multi million dollar civil suit and have spent all these years trying to get every dime they can out of OJ. If they only wanted him to be convicted in a Civil Trial for their peace of mind then why wouldn't they have taken what they could and moved on. Sorry that is the truth.

I kind of felt it was because it was agrivating for them to see him living high on the hog and flaunting it in their face. He made no attempt to show any sadness for their loss. He laughed at them. Always in the new, grinning, on the golf course. Then he wrote that horrible book, taunting them. I think if they got the money they would gladly give it to charity. They did not want it for themselves.

On another note, would anyone know what happens to his 350K a year pension?

[fbgweezer]

I HATE the fact that OJ got away with murder 14 years ago and he is arrogant or ignorant as the Judge pointed out, but IMO OJ Simpson was overcharged in this case and the punishment does not fit THIS crime. There were many felony charges with underlying charges that should have been lumped together. JMHO

what do you think your sentence would have been had you been convicted of 12 felony counts in Nevada?

[legalmania]

I dont want to change the way you feel. If we were all the same it would be boring right? Its just that some parents feel different.
Some of us could have grown children and still think of them as our "babies". Fred Goldman will never see Ron get married, or enjoy the children he might have had. I dont think or would expect him to ever get over it. its a pain in his heart that will never heal.


I know it hurts I told somebody about my murdered husband and they said a husband is not the same as losing a child. Death is very painful to most of us. It's sad that Fred never got to see his son married, but he has a daughter who needs him also. It would be best for him to move on. Suppose O.J. paid him the 33 million then what? Would it had made him any happier?

[nsm]

I HATE the fact that OJ got away with murder 14 years ago and he is arrogant or ignorant as the Judge pointed out, but IMO OJ Simpson was overcharged in this case and the punishment does not fit THIS crime. There were many felony charges with underlying charges that should have been lumped together. JMHO

The judge brought out a good point that I never even thought of. She said that there was a potential for something horrendous to happen. She said what if a tourist was walking in the hallway and bullets started to fly. She was right. What of a family in the room next door and the gun went off and someone gets hit. Who wants to go on vacation and have what went down in that room, and be in the room next to it?? He wasnt over charged. It was a serious dangerious and criminal thing he did. If there was not a gun, then he wouldnt have been charged like that.

[fbgweezer]

If O.J. got what he deserved, he would be walking free. This case should never have gone to trial.

mho

oh well -- it did and it's buh-bye orenthal.

[legalmania]

I haven't posted on this board because my feelings are most likely in the minority. Do I think OJ deserves his sentence.. no... Do I think he deserved jail time.. yes.. Do I wish Fred Goldman and his daughter Kim move on with their lives.. yes. The man annoys me to no end, I have sympathy for him and his family that they lost a son.. but I think after this many years and him trying to get every dime out of Simpson that is possible.. is ridiculous, just as I think the judgment that was handed down in the civil trial ridiculous.

No way was that civil judgment ever going to be fulfilled..so why set it for millions and millions that are never going to be seen.

So the world is all good today.. OJ is going to jail, Fred can once again make the rounds of the cable networks and expound on his hatred for OJ Simpson..

All jmho...

I have to agree with you, I think that Fred was expecting celebrity and when it didn't work out he was disappointed. He did love his son and he was very hurt but he is not celebrity material. I think he was hoping to be another John Walsh. He just doesn't have the charisma. I agree that the judgement was excessive and the charges were excessive. Las Vegas was a lot more controlled when it was ran by the mafia.

[kellabeck]

If O.J. got what he deserved, he would be walking free. This case should never have gone to trial.

mho

If Simpson had gotten what he deserved in 1995 he would have been in prison and this crime wouldn't have happened.

I am really sick of hearing from the Simpson apologists and the Goldman bashers.

[nsm]

I know it hurts I told somebody about my murdered husband and they said a husband is not the same as losing a child. Death is very painful to most of us. It's sad that Fred never got to see his son married, but he has a daughter who needs him also. It would be best for him to move on. Suppose O.J. paid him the 33 million then what? Would it had made him any happier?

I am So sorry for your loss. When anyone someone loves is taken away in that manner it is devastating. You cant compare a child or a parent or a spouse. It seems like there are more people out there who find it so easy to take a life. The world is becoming a very hard place.
Bless your heart and I hope you find comfort.

[fbgweezer]

ITA about the Goldman's.

That is the silver cloud: It's the end of the gravy train.

mho

what makes you think that the Goldmans aren't going to continue to pursue the civil judgment? I hope they do. There's no reason that orenthal's co-conspirator should benefit.

[kellabeck]

Fred Goldman annoys you? I can't imagine how he feels about the man who murdered his son, who he believes with all his heart that in return for his crime should have lost his freedom forever. Its called justice, and why would the Goldman's allow any judgment for any amount of money, money that can't replace a beloved son and brother, be allowed to slide?

The civil judgment allowed the Goldmans a modicum of control. If they couldn't see OJ lose his liberty at least they could do what they could to change the murderer's life.

Did they expect to collect? No, that was never the point.

IMO.

Bravo! You get it. The bashers do not. These heartless people do not understand how it must have felt to have the obvious killer of their loved one unjustly walk free only to dance on their loved one's grave and to spit in their faces.
The Goldmans pursued the only justice left to them: in the civil courts. And after Simpson perverted the criminal system to his advantage, he turned around and refused to respect the rest of the system which had freed him and he flouted the judgment, took cash payments to thwart restitution and ultimately it was this very effort which took him to the LV hotel room to steal back "his" stuff to prevent it from falling into the clutches of his murder victim's family.

Karma-- it's a b----.

[Maranatha]

I know it hurts I told somebody about my murdered husband and they said a husband is not the same as losing a child. Death is very painful to most of us. It's sad that Fred never got to see his son married, but he has a daughter who needs him also. It would be best for him to move on. Suppose O.J. paid him the 33 million then what? Would it had made him any happier?


I'm very sorry for your loss, all loss is heartbreaking, but to suffer a loss through the violence of another must be another level of hell.

IMO, the answer to your question is "no".

[kellabeck]

I don't understand why people think he should have gotten away with this. Do they just not understand the law? Or should arrogant and ignorant trump the law. They are just SO lucky no one got hurt - or more hurt than Bruce Fromong.
I feel very sure that if I pulled that stunt I would be in jail..... as would Jamie Floyd and the rest of the whiners if they did so. And rightly so.

It's absurd to think these thugs should have gotten off scot free. It's ridiculous! The judge was more than fair and could easily have given a much stiffer sentence.

I am so gratified to think that Simpson is behind bars at long last. And I don't feel even a tiny bit sorry for him.
Stewart I feel sorry for. But for his throwing his lot in with his killer-friend, he would never have committed a felony. Simpson is the prime mover here. None of these men would have been in trouble.

And Simpson is VERY arrogant and so sure of his right to do whatever he wants--- eviserate his ex wife and leave her bloody corpse for the children to find and slaughter her friend who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time -- and get away with it despite the mountain of evidence. And he has the Simi Valley jury and his own in-the-tank jury to thank for that miscarriage of justice. His own hubris ultimately brought him down.

[Maranatha]

Bravo! You get it. The bashers do not. These heartless people do not understand how it must have felt to have the obvious killer of their loved one unjustly walk free only to dance on their loved one's grave and to spit in their faces.
The Goldmans pursued the only justice left to them: in the civil courts. And after Simpson perverted the criminal system to his advantage, he turned around and refused to respect the rest of the system which had freed him and he flouted the judgment, took cash payments to thwart restitution and ultimately it was this very effort which took him to the LV hotel room to steal back "his" stuff to prevent it from falling into the clutches of his murder victim's family.

Karma-- it's a b----.

Exactly, ITA Kella!

OJ was a has-been for all purposes when he murdered Nicole and Ron. People seem to think he was this huge celebrity at the time, but it was his crime that brought him back into the spotlight. He was squeaky clean for all any of us knew, his post-football career was based on that image. Oh, the endorsements he had! He was the Tiger Woods of his time. Then, no one remembered him, not really, until he murdered.

After the acquittal, no wait, even before, his stock rose, he was in demand. Remember the book he "wrote" in jail? Remember the signings? IIRC, he even went to some horror convention to sign autographs.

He made a mockery over the brutal slaughters of the mother of his kids and her innocent friend. And he loved it, IMO.

And he should make money? He loved his money and fame, let him lose it. But that wasn't enough, he still had to push it and finally, he loses his freedom.

I applauded going after him civily and cheered when he was found liable.

Justice then and justice today over another set of facts, but still felonies.

Thank God no one died this time.

[kellabeck]

Yes, thank God no one died THIS time.

[kellabeck]

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I don't agree with everything you have said here today but we can agree to disagree. I agree with you about the Goldman's. I think that they are bloodsuckers and need to get on with their life. Now maybe they can but I fear they will milk OJ till the day he dies. It is not about their son any longer, it is about the money. I wonder if either one of them still work. With this verdict they are at the end of their gravey train. IMO

You're entitled to your opinion regardless how despicable and heartless it is.

[annalyzer]

I don't disagree with the Judge's comments, however, someone should not be sentenced based on what MIGHT have happened and he was not the one with the gun. In addition to that IIRC in the tape that so much has been made of -- he clearly told the others to "put the guns away". JMO

Ha ha ha. Poor Orenthal. :laugh:

[eagleeer]

You're entitled to your opinion regardless how despicable and heartless it is.
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If I am entitled to my opinion then why don't you leave it at that insted of casting aspersions on my character. 33M won't bring Ron Goldman back from the dead. And the Goldman's won't be able to replace him with any amount of money. I would hate to think that I would spend one dime of that money on anything except for a legtimate Foundation and Memorial for Ron and Nicole. But of course they would take a sizeable salary for administering the foundation. IMO they have profited greatly on the death of their son and brother. Let's leave it at that and agree to disagree.

[fbgweezer]

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If I am entitled to my opinion then why don't you leave it at that insted of casting aspersions on my character. 33M won't bring Ron Goldman back from the dead. And the Goldman's won't be able to replace him with any amount of money. I would hate to think that I would spend one dime of that money on anything except for a legtimate Foundation and Memorial for Ron and Nicole. But of course they would take a sizeable salary for administering the foundation. IMO they have profited greatly on the death of their son and brother. Let's leave it at that and agree to disagree.

have you ever wondered why orenthal didn't just pay it?

[Carol25]

I feel badly for Stewart. His involvement was no where as meaningful and malicious as OJ's. He was in the dark about much of what was happening.

[LeftJab]

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Right, it's not about the money, Ha. Then why did the Goldmans file a multi million dollar civil suit and have spent all these years trying to get every dime they can out of OJ. If they only wanted him to be convicted in a Civil Trial for their peace of mind then why wouldn't they have taken what they could and moved on. Sorry that is the truth.

There is a simple unselfish answer to that question: revenge! Every normal person wants revenge. The judicial system is revenge seeking whether we want to admit it or not. I don't see what is so unbelievable about it?

[nsm]

I feel badly for Stewart. His involvement was no where as meaningful and malicious as OJ's. He was in the dark about much of what was happening.

why didnt he take a plea like the other guys? how much time are the other guys going to get by taking the plea? Anyone know?

[vonna]

You prepared a case; making copies for the lawyers? and this is why you hate the Goldmans and feel they shouldn't grieve for Ron anymore? Yeah ok.

Since you don't know. OJ was not found innocent. That isn't the correct term.

Did you forget he was found guilty civily and owes them 32 million?

Some people have their minds made up and don't want to be confused by any facts.

[vonna]

I did not say he should have gotten away with anything; my words were he was overcharged. The sentencing was in line with the counts against him but there were separate charges for charges that could have been lumped together thus my statement saying he was "overcharged" and deliberately for who he is and the crime committed 13 years ago. I find most of the comments about his sentencing are based upon what he did 13 years ago and what he got away with. If you took the "name" out of the case; I think some of the comments would be completely different. JMHO

Rubbish!!!!

[eagleeer]

have you ever wondered why orenthal didn't just pay it?
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Of Course, he spent the majority of his wealth on the Dream Team. He didn't have 33M left to pay or it would have been since the Goldman's have a judgement. Nothing to give nothing to get. OJ was entitled to his personal items under the judgement. Some of those items are in question but I guess that is for the courts to decide.

[fbgweezer]

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Of Course, he spent the majority of his wealth on the Dream Team. He didn't have 33M left to pay or it would have been since the Goldman's have a judgement. Nothing to give nothing to get. OJ was entitled to his personal items under the judgement. Some of those items are in question but I guess that is for the courts to decide.

nope -- he said he'd never work a day if it meant paying one red penny to the Goldmans. no one has said he wasn't entitled to his personal items but that wasn't good enough for him -- he wanted it all. now, what's it worth to him? nada, zilch.

[fbgweezer]

I didn't say they wouldn't continue to pursue the civil judgment. I said the gravy train is over. They can't touch his pension, but maybe they can sue him for the 83 cents a day he'll earn in prison. :lol:

mho

the only person who's been on a gravy train is arnelle and it looks like her's just got tastier. or at least until she figures out the Goldmans aren't through with her either.

[RayStar]

the only person who's been on a gravy train is arnelle and it looks like her's just got tastier. or at least until she figures out the Goldmans aren't through with her either.

WHAT are you talking about?

[fbgweezer]

WHAT are you talking about?

did you mean WHO? orenthal's co-conspirator, arnelle.

[RayStar]

did you mean WHO? orenthal's co-conspirator, arnelle.
Did you actually take the time to read my post? Where is the evidence for you to call his daughter a co-conspirator?

[Carol25]

why didnt he take a plea like the other guys? how much time are the other guys going to get by taking the plea? Anyone know?
I don't know how the others made out. I do believe Stewart was disadvantaged by not having the trials severed and ineffective counsel, however.

He should have plead "no contest" and have his attorney explain he was utterly confused by what was happening, almost being an innocent bystander. Then asking for mercy from the court.

I would like to know how the others did with the plea deals. It could have been that a plea deal was not offered to Stewart. He didn't know the inner workings of the deal, couldn't testify about who had the guns and brought them out. He just didn't know anything because he was just "helping out."

So, he was no use to prosecutors and no deal offered.

[warhorse46]

why didnt he take a plea like the other guys? how much time are the other guys going to get by taking the plea? Anyone know?



They have not been sentenced yet. I think their sentencing starts on Dec 9th.

[Mr. Moto2]

I don't know how the others made out. I do believe Stewart was disadvantaged by not having the trials severed and ineffective counsel, however.

He should have plead "no contest" and have his attorney explain he was utterly confused by what was happening, almost being an innocent bystander. Then asking for mercy from the court.

I would like to know how the others did with the plea deals. It could have been that a plea deal was not offered to Stewart. He didn't know the inner workings of the deal, couldn't testify about who had the guns and brought them out. He just didn't know anything because he was just "helping out."

So, he was no use to prosecutors and no deal offered.

Talk about being caught in the middle!

[Maranatha]

I didn't say they wouldn't continue to pursue the civil judgment. I said the gravy train is over. They can't touch his pension, but maybe they can sue him for the 83 cents a day he'll earn in prison. :lol:

mho

Oh for crying out loud. How much have the Goldmans received from the settlement?

The murderer had much advice as to how to hide any assets.

And why has this thread turned into bashing of the Goldmans? Start a thread on the Goldmans if that floats your boat.

Someone, an apologist posted "as truth" that the Goldmans only care about money. I asked for a link and have yet to see one. Or the poster.

I'm asking the same from you. Show me proof that the MOTIVE of the Goldmans was/is money. Or justice.

Do you honestly, in your heart, think the Goldmans care about the money? Or do they only care to see the murderer of their son and brother pay, in some way? Until OJ brought forth his thugness, all they had was money against him. And that hurt! Good!

Have you listened to this madman on these tapes? The rage, the violence. Did you see the pictures of Nicole during the first trial?

He, IMO, is fortunate that terrorist threats weren't included.

[FREEMORE]

I haven't posted on this board because my feelings are most likely in the minority. Do I think OJ deserves his sentence.. no... Do I think he deserved jail time.. yes.. Do I wish Fred Goldman and his daughter Kim move on with their lives.. yes. The man annoys me to no end, I have sympathy for him and his family that they lost a son.. but I think after this many years and him trying to get every dime out of Simpson that is possible.. is ridiculous, just as I think the judgment that was handed down in the civil trial ridiculous.

No way was that civil judgment ever going to be fulfilled..so why set it for millions and millions that are never going to be seen.

So the world is all good today.. OJ is going to jail, Fred can once again make the rounds of the cable networks and expound on his hatred for OJ Simpson..

All jmho...Great post. I think the Goldmans need to start living. This verdict will not bring Ron back!

[Maranatha]

I sure hope so. :thumbup:

:smile: Yep! Let Ron always be on his mind on what he did -- let him never forget!

Lord, could he ever forget that? No matter how hard he tries? Take every penny he gets that can be taken to jog his memory.

Just because a jury found him "not guilty" doesn't make him so. Same as his aplogists don't agree with this verdict, or the oter. :smile:

We win, 2 out of 3. IMO.

[RayStar]

Which would prove once & for all it's not about the money. :thumbup:

Everyone seems to have forgotten Fred Goldman's offer to forget about the thirty three million civil judgment once O.J. confesses.Where's the proof that Goldman offered this?

[summer4meplz]

I didn't say they wouldn't continue to pursue the civil judgment. I said the gravy train is over. They can't touch his pension, but maybe they can sue him for the 83 cents a day he'll earn in prison. :lol:

mho

or maybe Goldman's lawyers will find all those millions Fromong claims to have helped oj hide off shore...:sneaky:

[cherylt]

or maybe Goldman's lawyers will find all those millions Fromong claims to have helped oj hide off shore...:sneaky:


Did you see/hear the Goldman's lawyer on Nancy Grace? (i think it was her show)... He was SMILING and said he'd gladly take the .83 cents a day + the ring Beardsley has to hand over to the court in a week.
He wasn't chagrined OJ was going to jail. He didn't hand over any money anyway...
JMO

9 yrs - wow. Guess he show have had a V8 instead...

[whitedove007]

I'm so glad that OJ is going to prison....that's where he should be!!

[Maranatha]

I cannot believe that I've defended, or tried at the least, the Goldman family on this thread.

How sad is that?

A family who out of trying to find SOME justice, files a civil suit against the man that murdered the son and brother. And they are vililfied? They are responsibile for Simpson's decisons and actions?

I'm done. There's no way, no words, that would make any of the thug lovers see or understand the REAL victims ofSimpson, scattered like road kill.

But parting words, and a clue; the victim is NOT he who brought and wrought such destruction to so many.

God bless!

MOO

[Details]

Great post. I think the Goldmans need to start living. This verdict will not bring Ron back!They were denied justice in their criminal trial, they got something back with the civil verdict. I don't think anyone here would sit and watch the killer of their child walk around free, wealthy, famous and making a mockery of the death of your child, and not try to do something about it. In civil court, there's only one thing you can take from this killer - money - but fortunately, that seems to be a significant penalty for this killer (per the civil court).


People who only see the money, who have blinders on to all else, and would slam victims - them I've got nothing to say to. I doubt they'd hear it unless I put it on a dollar bill, since human emotions, and a need for justice seems to be beyond them.

[JBL]

++++++++++++++++++

Right, it's not about the money, Ha. Then why did the Goldmans file a multi million dollar civil suit and have spent all these years trying to get every dime they can out of OJ. If they only wanted him to be convicted in a Civil Trial for their peace of mind then why wouldn't they have taken what they could and moved on. Sorry that is the truth.


Ha you know the truth!? You obviously can't wrap this around your mind. For YOU it's all about the money. OJ laughed at the verdict and the judgement insulting and demeaning the Goldmans every chance he got.

Hey how about they let OJ go right now. Using your line of thought he was found guilty so that should be enough.

*eye roll*

[fairlaw]

I haven't seen a mention of what Stewart got, tho I admit I haven't gone back thru all 15 pages.

[JBL]

I HATE the fact that OJ got away with murder 14 years ago and he is arrogant or ignorant as the Judge pointed out, but IMO OJ Simpson was overcharged in this case and the punishment does not fit THIS crime. There were many felony charges with underlying charges that should have been lumped together. JMHO

They fit. Yale agreed today. The Judge agreed. The prosecution met the burden of ALL OF THE CHARGES.

Simpson picked Vegas to pull this off in. I would say this was really the cruxed of the matter. Don't come to Vegas to do your dirty work. Maybe your town would be better where you and your family live. You can pull out the welcome wagon and lump things together when a criminal arrives in your neck of the woods. :biggrin:

[JBL]

I haven't seen a mention of what Stewart got, tho I admit I haven't gone back thru all 15 pages.

"Stewart received a sentence similar to Simpson's but will be eligible for parole in 7½ years."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/05/oj.simpson.sentencing/index.html

[barskin&co.]

:thumbsup:

GUESS THE NEW YORK POST HEADLINE: O.J. Sentenced To Fifteen Years Edition
By Dan Hopper
O.J. Simpson is facing at least 15 years in prison for all that crap he did (or, well, some of it), which means it’s time to play everyone’s favorite game involving judgmental puns — Guess! That! New! York! Post! Headline!!!!!!!!!!!!

My suggestions:

Juice Heading Back To The Cooler

Oh Jail Simpson

Juice-tice Is Served

Simpson Running Back To The Slammer

Simpson Stabbed In The Back By Justice System

Hey Mom, Who Do You Have Going To Jail? Let’s See, We Got Some Soda, Purple Stuff — Hey, Grab The Sunny D! The Sunny D In This Example Is Juice, Meaning O.J. Simpson
http://www.bestweekever.tv/2008/12/05/guess-the-new-york-post-headline-oj-sentenced-to-fifteen-years-edition/

[barskin&co.]

And now for the actual NY Post headline:

JUICE CANNED

http://www.nypost.com/

And over at the New York Daily News:

NO LOOSE JUICE

http://www.nydailynews.com/

[JBL]

My personal favorite thus far:

SEEYA

Short an sweet (and not a pun but I like it)

Sorry can't provide a link as I just went back to Fox and I don't seem to see it.

[taylor63]

The Goldman's are just as much of Gold Diggers than anyone else

Becky In Texas:patriot:

Goldiggers do you always insult the family of murder victims like this? I don't know if you have children or not, but if your child was brutally murdered and the individual who you strongly felt was guilty got off scott free, and lived a life of luxury,unrepentant over the murder of your child,and as arrogant and smug and rude as ever. Unless you know what that's like, you and no one else really has a right to comment on the Goldman's behaviour.

[Regina.Lampert]

http://www.nypost.com/

JUICE CANNED

:thumbsup:

:thumbsup: .:thumbsup:

[Regina.Lampert]

Classic Nancy Grace last night, who ran simpson's sniveling to the Judge and had a split screen where she was doing her rubbing of the eyes and making the eek, eek sounds, then she had a box of tissues and was daintily dabbing her eyes......lol.

Yep, simpson's has no one to blame but himself. Trying to hide these things so the Goldman family couldn't attached them got him in this jam. That is particularly sweet, imo.

[Regina.Lampert]

Nancy's antics begin at 1:50, 7:50 and 8:50 on the tape:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptqY93t2yJk



:lol:

[Carol25]

Both Simpson and Stewart were offered plea deals which would have been less than what they got. Simpson naturally wanted something short of a public apology.:glare:

Stewart's attorney should have taken a no contest and go for mercy. IMO

Galanter, arrogant and such a BS er he is, says "We are pleased! It could have been a lot worse!" Then why didn't he take the plea deal? :sneaky:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081206/ap_on_re_us/oj_simpson

[Jay]

++++++++++++++++++

Right, it's not about the money, Ha. Then why did the Goldmans file a multi million dollar civil suit and have spent all these years trying to get every dime they can out of OJ. If they only wanted him to be convicted in a Civil Trial for their peace of mind then why wouldn't they have taken what they could and moved on. Sorry that is the truth.



Thier prayer for damages in the complaint stated NO specific $$ amount. I do not know the breakdown of damages, although I can see it on TV in my mind, but you can bet most of it was punitive in nature:


WHEREFORE, plaintiffs pray for judgment against defendants, and each of them, as follows:

1. For general damages according to proof;
2. For special damages, according to proof;
3. For reimbursement of funeral expenses and costs of burial;
4. For interest on all sums awarded, according to proof;
5. For punitive and exemplary damages, according to proof;
6. For costs of suit incurred herein;
7. For such other and further relief as to the Court may be just and proper.

Dated: May 4, 1995




http://walraven.org/simpson/gld_suit.html


To be awarded damages in a civil claim and not enforce that judgment is a slap in the face of the judicial process. Judgments expire if not enforced.


I believe I am correct in saying Fred Goldman told OJ, by way of media outlets, if he confessed to the murders, he would not attempt to collect and let the judgment lapse.

I found the case online, Fred Goldman did in fact apply for a renewal of judgment.




Appeals court decision (http://64.233.169.132/search?q=cache:Ef76lkqU7DIJ:www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/archive/B200082.DOC+california+%2B+enforcement+of+judgment +%2B+Goldman&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us)

[kellabeck]

O,J got justice in 1995.

Tell someone who cares!


Two slaughtered innocent human beings and you don't care. How nice.

Simpson did NOT get justice in 1995. He got a GIFT courtesy of the jury paying back the system for the injustice of the Simi Valley acquittal of the cops who beat Rodney King on video.

I was outraged by that acquittal, too.

[kellabeck]

If this was not OJ -- this trial & the sentencing would not be that great.

People are just out to get OJ.

Oh, the poor, poor innocent killer!! Boo frickin' hooooooo!



I am really tired of this sentiment. Simpson is where he is out of his own hubris and the desire to thwart a legitimate judgment rendered against him.
He's been cheating and hiding cash for years in defiance of a legal system which benefitted him and gave him--- undeserved --- his freedom. Karma is a b----.

[kellabeck]

Classic Nancy Grace last night, who ran simpson's sniveling to the Judge and had a split screen where she was doing her rubbing of the eyes and making the eek, eek sounds, then she had a box of tissues and was daintily dabbing her eyes......lol.

Yep, simpson's has no one to blame but himself. Trying to hide these things so the Goldman family couldn't attached them got him in this jam. That is particularly sweet, imo.



Yes, it is, scamp! All lovers of justice are celebrating Simpson's incarceration today!!

He is where he is thanks to his own actions.

[AnnInOhio]

To me, the most sobering part of all this is that OJ could have easily skated on these charges, too. OJ wasn't brought down by the justice system, he was brought down by a couple of cheap tape recorders.

[fbgweezer]

Did you actually take the time to read my post? Where is the evidence for you to call his daughter a co-conspirator?

of course I read your post - duh - thus my response. the evidence that arnelle was a co-conspirator in the murders is in the testimony of the murder trial: washing machine = dark sweat suit = arnelle's lingerie = maid testimony that it was not there when she left on Friday = sweat suit never seen again.

[JBL]

The post changed the main page again.

http://www.nypost.com/

NOW ROT!
JUSTICE! VILE OJ JAILED UP TO 33 YRS

:lol:

CANDYMAN CON'S BEEN SPREADING THE WEALTH TO JAILMATES
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12062008/news/nationalnews/candyman_cons_been_spreading_the_wealth__142884.ht m

barf

[barskin&co.]

If he had accepted a plea deal, he would have faced much less time. But, of course, OJ had to go for broke, and now he faces the consequences.

Simpson plea deal would've meant less time
Prosecutor says ex-NFL star rejected early offer to plead guilty

LAS VEGAS - O.J. Simpson is headed to prison for at least nine years, but a prosecutor says the former football star could have spent less time behind bars if he had accepted a plea deal before he was convicted.

Clark County District Attorney David Roger said Simpson was offered a deal for less prison time than the nine- to 33-year prison terms the graying former football star was sentenced to on Friday for kidnapping and assaulting two sports memorabilia dealers with a deadly weapon.

"Mr. Simpson wanted something just short of a public apology," Roger said. "We didn't think that was appropriate."



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28083134/

[warhorse46]

CANDYMAN CON'S BEEN SPREADING THE WEALTH TO JAILMATES
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12062008/news/nationalnews/candyman_cons_been_spreading_the_wealth__142884.ht m

barf


H3ll, he is paying insurance with those candy bars & soup. Buying his way out of being assaulted.

[warhorse46]

++++++++++++++++++

Right, it's not about the money, Ha. Then why did the Goldmans file a multi million dollar civil suit and have spent all these years trying to get every dime they can out of OJ. If they only wanted him to be convicted in a Civil Trial for their peace of mind then why wouldn't they have taken what they could and moved on. Sorry that is the truth.


No that is not the truth, you might want to do a little more research on the subject before posting again. The Goldmans did not specify any monetary amount in their wrongful death civil suit against OJ. The jury set the amount when they found in favor of the Goldmans.

[AnnInOhio]

That is the truth. I don't care what they specified. It is all about money..or they wouldn't have filed a wrongful death suit! What do you think they'd get: M-O-N-E-Y!

What next for the Goldman's? Will they sue for the 83 cents a day O.J will earn in prison?

Moreover, will they have a life? With him in prison, where will all the hate and rage go? There is nothing more they can do to him.
mho

What the Goldman's were seeking and got through bringing their case was the T-R-U-T-H. The civil hearing allowed a lot of information to come in that was designed to ferret out the TRUTH about what happened to Ron. The jury determined the TRUTH was that OJ Simpson was responsible for having caused Ron's death. Money didn't enter into the equation until the T-R-U-T-H had been determined.

[FrankieBones1]

All lovers of justice are celebrating Simpson's incarceration today. :thumbup:For sure! I think I heard the cheers from all over the world. It made my day, my week, my year.

[FrankieBones1]

Judge Jackie Glass: Mr. Simpson, you are both arrogant and ignorant.


:patriot:I loved that part. She is now my favourite judge!

[FrankieBones1]

The Goldman's are just as much of Gold Diggers than anyone else

Becky In Texas:patriot:

I'm curious...
Is this a joke or bait? If it is bait, I'll delete my post.

[FrankieBones1]

No. Jail and prison are not the same thing.


imo

Big difference for sure.

Our jails house inmates with sentences that are two years less a day and inmates with greater sentences get sent to prison.

[FrankieBones1]

I am a victim of a murdered husband. I had a seven month old baby and one on the way , I was two weeks pregnant with his son. I can't bring him back so I tell my kids of all the wonderful times we had together while he was alive. I wouldn't want money because money wouldn't bring him back and it wouldn't solve anything. He gave me two priceless gifts and I look at them everyday and thank him for that. I laugh with them, I played with them. I went through all the emotions and then let go about four years after his death. Now I look at them and see him. I miss him so much So the answer to your question my husband was the love of my life, but I made a positive out of a negative.

Now what if someone murders your child. How many years do you think you would grieve for? Ten years, fifteen? Less?

[bonnie31430]

Great day!!!!!
Does anyone know whatever happened to Al? the driver of the white van? Does anyone know how those two children are doing after he took their mother from them

[joolz]

Their life will be empty without O.J to beat up on anymore.

:no: I think their life has more than likely felt empty since 1994, thank to O.J.

[joolz]

There is a word for that: Scheidenfreud.


by the way.. I like your name.


Schadenfreude

[RayStar]

Wrong! All lovers of justice are mourning Simpson's incarceration today.

mhoAMEN thank you so much Mcannie. Judge Glass is ---I'll leave it blank. The Goldmans -- you have so correctly stated what they are. ITA agree with so many of your posts. Thank you for bringing them to the board. Judge Glass would have shown no prejudice if she had put the Goldmans out of her courtroom. This case was not about anything that happened in CA or was it according to the judge.:angry: Justice was not served in this case. I have never seen a trial where the judge told the lawyers no more questions so often as this one.

[book]

Wrong! All lovers of justice are mourning Simpson's incarceration today.

mho

Your kind of justice you mean. So all criminals should be walking the streets?

Who took it upon himself to call his friends to steal at gunpoint 'his stuff?' OJ Simpson. end of story

So it's ok with you that he took the law into his own hands to steal back 'his stuff?' Instead of heeding the warnings from law enforcement, family and friends that it was wrong?

The only reason you are mourning this is because it was OJ, anyone else you would be ok with this sentence?

He took the law into his own hands, now he is paying for it just like anyone else. end of story.


All IMO of course.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Goldiggers do you always insult the family of murder victims like this? I don't know if you have children or not, but if your child was brutally murdered and the individual who you strongly felt was guilty got off scott free, and lived a life of luxury,unrepentant over the murder of your child,and as arrogant and smug and rude as ever. Unless you know what that's like, you and no one else really has a right to comment on the Goldman's behaviour.

I just have to comment of what you just posted...Very well said taylor..If OJ groupies wish to vilify the Goldman's that is just a very judgemental point of view..If these same groupies for one moment received a civil judgement ( via civil suit) from a company/corporation wrongful act......aka Tobbacco/Drug Company..do you not think they would chase down their share of that monetary judgement??????..OF COURSE THEY WOULD!!..as it is the only retribultion they can get from being wrongfully harmed!!! If they lost a loved one due to a doctor malpratice..do you think they would walk away from that??NOT!! Why should a physician just look at them and say.."Get a Life..Get Over it..Money wont bring your loved one back?..Yikes I could go on...

I find the Goldman's admirable that they have dogged this "Ignorant and Arrogant" subnormal excuse for a human entity....to seek justice..To be able to stalk a person "Legally" and force them to pull dirty deeds..get caught and punished legally is no doubt more gratifying than any dime they receive...They have fostered a foundation that will assist many who seek retributions (monetary) who otherwise could not afford to chase or force payments of civil judgements..Good for them!!

OJ is one despicable man..who has used..abused most people in his life...and I just know when he meets FINAL JUDGEMENT..he will continue to suffer..and pay..as God knows what is in OJ's malignant Heart!!

Clerence Stewart is just one more victim in OJ's carnage..he blindly followed "his leader' into the Den of Iniquity...and yep..on earth he will have to pay with time in prison..but his final judgement will be ajudicated according to his heart and past actions..something we know little about! LMS:wink:

[barskin&co.]

Call it my justice, whatever is good, it doesn't change a thing. O.J. did not receive justice in Las Vegas.

Don't speak for me! I will tell why I am in mourning, not you...and you are wrong! I would not be ok with this sentence if it was somebody else!

He can't steal back his own stuff! It is his stuff, and it was stolen from him! You can't steal what belongs to you. :rolleyes:

mho

Do you know anything about the law? You cannot hold people at gunpoint and order the to turn over anything, even if you say it's yours.
He committed all the offenses he was charged of, and the proof is all on tape.

[joolz]

:rolleyes::rolleyes:You think his life is empty? What about his wife, his daughter, and grandchild? Ron was a tragic loss and there'll never be closure, but don't you think his family counts for something?

You wrote (of the Goldmans) that "Their life will be empty without O.J to beat up on anymore."

You are the one who implied that their family counts for nothing compared to their "beating up" of O.J. Nice try at a twist, though. :rolleyes:

[barskin&co.]

O.J held no one at gunpoint!

You accept the tapes as proof, the judge does, as does the jury, but I DON'T!:

There is no proof on the tape. Obviously the FBE doesn't accept the tapes as proof! The FBI wouldn't validate the tapes.

There are missing parts of the tapes, according to the interview with Stewart that Jean C. conducted. The missing parts means the tapes are are taken out of context!



MHO

Okey doke, then. Apparently you live in another plane of reality. I'll just leave you now and head on back to Planet Earth. :seeya:

[joolz]

Okey doke, then. Apparently you live in another plane of reality. I'll just leave you now and head on back to Planet Earth. :seeya:


Seems to be a lot of that going on around here, barskin. Wait for me before you take off for Earth, please.:thumbup:

[fenway]

Call it my justice, whatever is good, it doesn't change a thing. O.J. did not receive justice in Las Vegas.

Don't speak for me! I will tell why I am in mourning, not you...and you are wrong! I would not be ok with this sentence if it was somebody else!

He can't steal back his own stuff! It is his stuff, and it was stolen from him! You can't steal what belongs to you. :rolleyes:





mho

He wasn't found guilty of theft. He was found guilty of robbery. You CAN be found guilty of robbery even IF you are taking back your own stuff. One has nothing to do with the other.

What part of that don't you understand? There was justice under the current law.

If you think the law itself is unjust then work to change it.

[Maranatha]

O.J held no one at gunpoint!

You accept the tapes as proof, the judge does, as does the jury, but I DON'T!:

There is no proof on the tape. Obviously the FBE doesn't accept the tapes as proof! The FBI wouldn't validate the tapes.

There are missing parts of the tapes, according to the interview with Stewart that Jean C. conducted. The missing parts means the tapes are are taken out of context!



MHO

Some TH during the first trial opined that if there was a video of OJ practically beheading Nicole the jury would have acquitted him.

Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes? In your case ears?

Who is the FBE? If you mean the FBI, these were digital tapes which limit them from analyzing compared to analog.

Do you have a link to testimony where parts are missing or that the defense contended that we did not hear OJ's voice. I heard the tapes, seemed everything that went down is revealed.

Are you implying there was more? Wow! Bombshell!

[barskin&co.]

Seems to be a lot of that going on around here, barskin. Wait for me before you take off for Earth, please.:thumbup:

All aboard! Let us take our leave from this alternate unverse in which OJ Simpson is a poor, abused victim of injustice, and the Goldmans are...(I don't even want to use their terminology)... let's just say the villians.

[Kara]

I have to agree with Mr. Goldman. If he hadn't pursued the civil judgement all these years Simpson wouldn't have found the need to first hide his assets then try to steal them back, thus breaking the law and going to jail.


IMOI'm sure I'm a day late with this but...."kudos" or :cheers: (there are too many smilies for me now)

:thumbup:

[Maranatha]

It was a TYPO! FBI



No, I do not have a link! I said it was in an interview by Jean C and Stewart!

I am not implying! I am repeating what Stewart said in the interview!

WOW! Bombshell is right!


MHO

I'm sorry for you that you feel this need to yell.

So Stewart works for the FBI and is an expert? He's a felon, just like your hero OJ. Is what he said with "Jean C" in evidence? I don't remember him testifying to much of anything, like zero. Show me transcript to back up your statement. I won't be holding my breath.

You must information that I'm not privy to.

[warhorse46]

I don't think you can speak for the Goldman's. In the press conference, the Fred and his daughter boasted it was their pursuit of O.J that put him in this position.

No, it was not "rightfully so." Judge Jackie Glass said when she sentenced O.J. the guns displayed could have harmed innocent people...and here the Goldman's boast they put him in this position with their pursuit of him! :rolleyes:

Now there is nothing more the Fred and Kimberly can do to O.J. The gravy train is over. The won't touch his pension. What next? Will the Goldmans take the food out of his family's mouth!?

mho

MHO


What gravy trian? They have received only a very small fraction of what was awarded. You are misstating facts again, IMO.

[fenway]

What part don't you understand! You can't steal what belongs to you--unless you have a prejudiced jury and a judge who is biased.


How do you know I am not working to change it? My, my you do take a lot for granted don't you?\. Don't assume! You know nothing about me. Until it is changed, I will discuss the injustice done to O.J.



mho

Do you know the difference between theft and robbery? You keep going back to stealing. Stealing has nothing to do with this. He was found guilty of robbery.

Good night.

[warhorse46]

Call it my justice, whatever is good, it doesn't change a thing. O.J. did not receive justice in Las Vegas.

Don't speak for me! I will tell why I am in mourning, not you...and you are wrong! I would not be ok with this sentence if it was somebody else!

He can't steal back his own stuff! It is his stuff, and it was stolen from him! You can't steal what belongs to you. :rolleyes:

mho



Once again you are incorrect. The definition of robbery, which OJ was charged & convicted of, does not state who the original owner of the items were.

http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?typed=robbery&type=1&submit1.x=52&submit1.y=15

[Adalena935]

Geraldo show tonite; it was said that OJ turned down a plea deal for 2 to 4 years. He turned it down twice.

SOURCE: Geraldo at large (this date).

[barskin&co.]

Lawyers appeal OJ Simpson prison sentence

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/12/07/2439862.htm?section=entertainment

Wow! Shocker, huh?

[book]

The Goldman's won the civil suit. That jury found OJ guilty of the crimes committed. OJ wrote a book how he did it.

Like Judge Glass said: 'arrogant and ignorant'

He was found guilty and will now pay the price for a crime he willfully and knowingly committed.

IMO

[book]

That prison he is going to is an intake prison. Does anyone know where he will go after they finish analyzing him physically and mentally?

[ByGollyGee]

Convicted felon, Orenthal James Simpson, now serving time in Nevada.

ByGollyGee

[Adalena935]

That prison he is going to is an intake prison. Does anyone know where he will go after they finish analyzing him physically and mentally?

Someone on Greta's show (a talking head, can't remember who tho) said he could stay at High Desert Prison or be transferred to either Ely State Prison or Nevada State Prison in Carson City (the capitol).



http://www.doc.nv.gov/hdsp/index.php?idnum=0

High Desert State Prison - Indian Springs, NV (the newest built in 2000)

http://www.doc.nv.gov/nsp/

Nevada State Prison - Carson City, NV (the oldest built in 1862)

http://www.doc.nv.gov/esp/index.php?idnum=0

Ely State Prison - Ely, NV (built in 1989)

[Anni]

CANDYMAN CON'S BEEN SPREADING THE WEALTH TO JAILMATES
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12062008/news/nationalnews/candyman_cons_been_spreading_the_wealth__142884.ht m

barf


If this emotie has ever been more fitting!!!

If you want a good chuckle read the comment by 'chocolate cracker' at this article lol. Not sure I am aloud to bring it here. Very cute!

This thread was a good Sunday morning read, I wish I would have saved the postearly on so that I could credit the poster that said it the best here, (paraphrasing) 'OJ is where he belongs alone in a cell with his own ghosts to haunt him.' That to me is soo piognant. He does Finally look like a broken man, but it was his lifestyle, his ever evil mind that brought him down himself. To me this case has Everything to do with the brutal muders of Ron and Nicole, an extension of that crime, Fred and Kim had every right to make his life hell when they won that civil suit and this is just how it has played out (so far).

I hope that Fred and Kim will have some peace of mind that this killer is where he belongs and not out on the streets having a gay ol time rubbing their faces with his sick smug torture he continues on them. Did anyone see the snippet of tape Geraldo had on last night OJ did? I believe it is a for a docudrama someone is making called "Monster or Myth"? Pathetic, OJ is pathetic and I truely hope this prison time Kills him.

Coldwater, I dont see any arguing here, I see an obvious TROLL that should be ignored but no one is arguing. JMO~

[nsm]

Thank for all the great links you all post here. I found an article of an interview with Johnnie Cochran where he said he knew OJ did it...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/rawfisher/2008/12/what_johnnie_cochran_really_th.html?hpid=news-col-blog

[nsm]

Geraldo show tonite; it was said that OJ turned down a plea deal for 2 to 4 years. He turned it down twice.

SOURCE: Geraldo at large (this date).


Are you serious! OMG. I was wondering about the plea deal. UNBELIEVABLE! I bet he is kicking himself now. He knew everything was on tape! Wouldnt you think he would take the deal knowing that? I dont think he is that clueless....I do believe he thinks he is SOO charming and that nothing would ever stick to him. He actually thought he would walk away from this one too.

[Anni]

Are you serious! OMG. I was wondering about the plea deal. UNBELIEVABLE! I bet he is kicking himself now. He knew everything was on tape! Wouldnt you think he would take the deal knowing that? I dont think he is that clueless....I do believe he thinks he is SOO charming and that nothing would ever stick to him. He actually thought he would walk away from this one too.

nsm, Judge Glass was the only one able to make OJ listen lately it seems and she nailed it when she told him he is both Arrogant and Ignorant. It is the truth, he is...

[nsm]

at the risk of sounding stupid, and not knowing anyone who ever went to jail, what happens to all his belongings and assets? As in OJ's case, the money from his pensions goes to who now? He does not have a wife. What about the bills that he owes. Just little things, like if he had a cell phone, his monthly bills like we all have. Do they just not get paid? His cars? who has the right to sell them or settle his debts? All the personal belongings in his house? He obviously wont be home in very long time, so what happens to all that? I heard he is getting a pension of 350K a year. Do those checks stop? Do they get sent to prison? Normally a pension can go to a wife, but since he does not have one, can it be transfered to his kids? Does anyone have any input on this?

[BobbysGirl]

Hi folks, Thanks for the links. A busy day for me and reading couple pgs back.

I believe Judge Glass was on the money calling OJ arrogant and ignorant. He turned down a plea bargain of 3-4 yrs? Nuts he is. And arrogant thinking he may get off on 12 counts. I see stupidity as well. In my opinion.

Someone else posted about the Goldmans? Paraphrase>taking food out of his families mouths.
Absurd. What is OJ doing? The same thing, passing out snicker bars and soup? That's taking food out of his families mouth as well. According to previous link, his lawyer>paraphrase says he has the wealth of money to do so.

And OJ is convicted and got what he deserved.
Any appeals will be looked at and decided. Until then, will wait and see.

He robbed these people and is an accessory to the fact that guns were present. Even in his own words on tape he told them to put the guns away.

I thought, awhile back beginning or before tria, listening to tapes that 'someone' told everyone to get up against the wall. And did not 'someone' say no one is leaving this room? To me that is kidknapping.

I don't have the links. This is from memory. So if I am incorrect, I apologize for any misinformation.

BG

Justice is served. Done

[tomsgirl]

He is.

:patriot:

I think OJ looks soooo cute in dark blue!! He gets to wear it every day!! Go Fred Goldman! JMO:rolleyes:

[Dtviewer3]

OJ will be sent to a privately funded prison, he will have a lot of free time. Unlike you I was in the legal business and I saw a lot of high profile cases sent to prison, when I would go to visit you would think they were living in a country club. They had all the booze ,food, tv and women they wanted. They were allowed to walk the grounds and even had a golf course. Remember O.J spent a year in jail when Nicole was first murdered, he came through that just fine. I think it's time the Goldman's stop morning their sons death and start celebrating their time with him on earth. Mr. Goldman profited off of his sons death also, with his failed talk show and book deals. I would like to know how much he donated to Denise Browns violence against women or donated to any charity? Looks like it's time for the Goldman's to go back to work.


LOL,"the legal business"? What is "the legal business'?
It sounds very official and impressive. Cant believe I have ever doubted anything you have said on here. If I had known you were in "the legal business" I never would have disagreed with the things you have posted.......

(pssst....I thought you were going overseas to find Hans Reisers' wife?)

[book]

Someone on Greta's show (a talking head, can't remember who tho) said he could stay at High Desert Prison or be transferred to either Ely State Prison or Nevada State Prison in Carson City (the capitol).



http://www.doc.nv.gov/hdsp/index.php?idnum=0

High Desert State Prison - Indian Springs, NV (the newest built in 2000)

http://www.doc.nv.gov/nsp/

Nevada State Prison - Carson City, NV (the oldest built in 1862)

http://www.doc.nv.gov/esp/index.php?idnum=0

Ely State Prison - Ely, NV (built in 1989)

Thanks for the info! :cool:

[book]

Thank for all the great links you all post here. I found an article of an interview with Johnnie Cochran where he said he knew OJ did it...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/rawfisher/2008/12/what_johnnie_cochran_really_th.html?hpid=news-col-blog

WOW! Thanks for the link!

[book]

Fred is a national hero! :thumbsup:

GOOD, glad to hear it! Go Fred go! What gives Mike Gilbert the right to have the possessions anyway?

[book]

Karma got Johnny good for defending that murderer. Funny how life works that way. Bet he wishes he never too OJ on as a client.


Didn't he die of cancer? Not sure.

[nsm]

WOW! Thanks for the link!

your welcome...why isnt that article and info in the mainstream news""

[kellabeck]

Not sure, but I can't wait to read the psychological report. I'm sure they'll have these discriptions of OJ on it:

pathologial liar
stupid
narcissist
psychopath
evil to his core
murderer
robber
criminal intent at all times
greedy

Ya think?

:lol:

Add to the list:
delusional
arrogant

[Adalena935]

Thanks for the info! :cool:

You're very welcome. Just guessing, I would imagine with the time he's got to serve they'll most likely move him around at least once or twice. I always thought Ely (pronounced Eee - lee was one of the most forsaken places. My folks would sometimes come thru there on the way back from vacations. When I discovered one of their prisons is there it made me cringe. It's kind of on the side of the hills out in the middle of nowhere. I live in the desert and I love it, but that place is even too much for me. wretch. It's hotter than hades in the summer and colder than a patoot in the winter. If I were OJ I'd be on my knees praying anything but Ely. :crying:


The old one in Carson City sounds yucky too. The one he's being processed thru near Vegas would be the most modern facilities. I guess there's no such thing as a good prison. Especially with the luxurious life he's been privy to up 'til now.

ETA: http://www.city-data.com/city/Ely-Nevada.html

Ely, NV - maps, photos, population.

[Carol25]

I'm still curious about those off shore accounts that Fromong set up for him. Are LE still working on those? I believe it was Fromong who blurted that out during the robbery.

[tomsgirl]

And here he is in purdy orange...

http://davegranlund.com/cartoons/2008/12/06/oj-sentenced/

I guess dark blue is his Sunday go to meeting clothes and Orange is his everyday clothes. JMO:laugh:

[legalmania]

LOL,"the legal business"? What is "the legal business'?
It sounds very official and impressive. Cant believe I have ever doubted anything you have said on here. If I had known you were in "the legal business" I never would have disagreed with the things you have posted.......

(pssst....I thought you were going overseas to find Hans Reisers' wife?)

It's above your head just stick with what you know and you'll be fine.

[Adalena935]

For book and others interested. Here's a map of Nevada with the prisons marked. So people can have an idea where they are geographicaly.

http://www.doc.nv.gov/facilities/index.php?idnum=0

Interesting to note is that the Ely prison is the only one Maximum security. High Desert (north of Vegas) and Nevada State Prison at Carson City are both Medium security.

Ely State Prison @ Ely (ESP) - Male/Maximum security
Nevada State Prison (NSP) @ Carson City - Male/Medium security
High Desert State Prison (HDSP) @ Indian Springs, NV - Male/Medium security

Here's a link that says it will not be named which one OJ goes to until after the transfer. That he most likely will be placed in a single cell.

http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9468690

[legalmania]

Karma got Johnny good for defending that murderer. Funny how life works that way. Bet he wishes he never too OJ on as a client.

That's a very cruel thing to say, if you knew anything about karma you wouldn't be talking that way about the dead. Rest in peace Johnny you were an awesome attorney and you did your job, and did it well. I was proud to sit in a courtroom and watch you work your magic. Peace

[Adalena935]

My ideal situation: OJ should be at Ely with Darren Mack, and Judge Halverson can sit on them. :biggrinjester:

Wow, you've been following some Nevada cases. I looked the names up and read very briefly.

I was never an OJ fan and I knew he wouldn't be able to stay out of trouble after his acquittal on the murder. Even so, right now I feel a little stunned that a man with his priviledge in life has finally managed to do this to himself. The judge called it straight; arrogant and ignorant.

I'm reminded of what Nicole said so long ago; He'll kill me and get away with it.

[legalmania]

I watched that show because Mike Gilbert was on. He was trying to convince the world that he was so very contrite.... all humble and apologetic. The Goldmans didn't buy it and pointed out he has every opportunity to turn stuff over. And they made sure it came out that Mike does NOT, in fact, give the money he makes from his book to charity (although it states on the boook flyleaf that he does). He is just another thug and a lier. Bottom Feeding scum! He had a very large audience of witnesses to what he promised. He must be every bit as arrogant and ignorant as OJ.

Go Fred!:thumbs up:

Ya go Fred because the attorneys will get everything anyway. Things are going to get very interesting legally. For those of you who don't understand legal business don't bother asking what that means.

[JBL]

What's up with the theme threads?

Can we streamline them into "IGNORANCE AND ARROGANCE"

[Adalena935]

That's a very cruel thing to say, if you knew anything about karma you wouldn't be talking that way about the dead. Rest in peace Johnny you were an awesome attorney and you did your job, and did it well. I was proud to sit in a courtroom and watch you work your magic. Peace

Agreed our country would be in dire straits without legal defense. Everyone accused is entitled to defense. As much as some don't agree with all jury decisions the lawyers don't hand down the verdicts anyway.

Nancy Grace said Cochran was a fantastic attorney. Cancer is a terrible illness.

[Carol25]

Agreed our country would be in dire straits without legal defense. Everyone accused is entitled to defense. As much as some don't agree with all jury decisions the lawyers don't hand down the verdicts anyway.

Nancy Grace said Cochran was a fantastic attorney. Cancer is a terrible illness.

Actually, that is very true. Cochran was an excellent attorney and did his job well. He knew what he had to do and did it. Even by his own admission, he had great disdain for O.J., but was able to separate the two. It takes a certain type of person to be able to do that.

Just as it takes a police office great discipline not to beat the pulp out of a child molestor. So, you have to give Mr. Cochran his due, to separate his career from his personal feelings.

We can't take that away from Mr. Cochran.

[AnnInOhio]

Actually, that is very true. Cochran was an excellent attorney and did his job well. He knew what he had to do and did it. Even by his own admission, he had great disdain for O.J., but was able to separate the two. It takes a certain type of person to be able to do that.

Just as it takes a police office great discipline not to beat the pulp out of a child molestor. So, you have to give Mr. Cochran his due, to separate his career from his personal feelings.

We can't take that away from Mr. Cochran.

Do you think Yale has perhaps gotten too personally close to OJ to be an effective attorney for him?

[JBL]

Do you think Yale has perhaps gotten too personally close to OJ to be an effective attorney for him?

I do.

The affable Mr. Simpson suckered Yale. I'm sure Yale thought Simpson had more respect for him and wouldn't hold back on letting Yale know what actually transpired. Had Yale known again I have a feeling it may have turned out differently.

Yale let his guard down.

[JBL]

Grasso (OJ's new self proclaimed friend which btw I thought was pretty unprofessional of him to state in court along with the plea to "let him off easy ) is definately way to close IMO.

Hmm, you think Scotto didn't show because he's been replaced LOL!

[AnnInOhio]

I do.

The affable Mr. Simpson suckered Yale. I'm sure Yale thought Simpson had more respect for him and wouldn't hold back on letting Yale know what actually transpired. Had Yale known again I have a feeling it may have turned out differently.

Yale let his guard down.

I think OJ just bullied Yale into presenting OJ's "excuse" instead of a legal defense, counting on jury nullification.

[JBL]

I think OJ just bullied Yale into presenting OJ's "excuse" instead of a legal defense, counting on jury nullification.


I think he pulled the crazy like a fox routine. Pleaded stupid as his confused plea states. Who knew. I wanted my momma's stuff Yale. Honest.

I also think he uses that on his kids. It was all for them. Things he wanted them to have to justify his actions.

I'll bet he throws in a "please don't feel guilty that I did this for you" to his kids/family etc.

He's an expert table turner.

To bad he's heard on tape giving those items away - his kids sure didn't come up. The Goldmans were first and foremost. Keep away. Pretty blatant agenda he had there.

[legalmania]

I do.

The affable Mr. Simpson suckered Yale. I'm sure Yale thought Simpson had more respect for him and wouldn't hold back on letting Yale know what actually transpired. Had Yale known again I have a feeling it may have turned out differently.

Yale let his guard down.

Yale knew what he was getting into. He knew his chances were going to be a battle because of the animosity from the first case. Yale is not through yet, over the next few months he will gather information that will be vital to his appeal.

[Carol25]

Do you think Yale has perhaps gotten too personally close to OJ to be an effective attorney for him?
Yes. The jury is out on him. If it is true that OJ was offered 2-4 years and refused, ending up with 8 -33, and Galanter saying he was very pleased, it could have been much worse....Just who was calling the shots there?

OJ was calling the shots and ignorant? What an understatement! One of Gallanter's jobs is to make PERFECTLY clear what he was up against even if he has an IQ of a beet. He had to out it straight just as Glass did..it's all on tape OJ!! It will probably be life!! You can't get lucky twice! Take the 2 to 4!!!!

But he didn't make it perfectly clear. He's his friend and went along with OJ. Hope he got paid up front.

[legalmania]

Do you think Yale has perhaps gotten too personally close to OJ to be an effective attorney for him?

Yale won in OJs road rage case. He knows OJ and understands the love hate relationship with the public.

[Carol25]

If Gallanter had any integrity as an attorney, he would have dropped OJ as a client when he wouldn't take the plea deal. He knew it wasn't in his best interest to go forward to trial. At a minimum, he would have had OJ sign a paper saying that Gallanter recommended the plea deal so OJ could not come back and claim ineffective counsel, which would be right down OJ's alley.

Afterall, it's "The Juice...":rolleyes:

[Adalena935]

Yes. The jury is out on him. If it is true that OJ was offered 2-4 years and refused, ending up with 8 -33, and Galanter saying he was very pleased, it could have been much worse....Just who was calling the shots there?

OJ was calling the shots and ignorant? What an understatement! One of Gallanter's jobs is to make PERFECTLY clear what he was up against even if he has an IQ of a beet. He had to out it straight just as Glass did..it's all on tape OJ!! It will probably be life!! You can't get lucky twice! Take the 2 to 4!!!!

But he didn't make it perfectly clear. He's his friend and went along with OJ. Hope he got paid up front.

It's not a matter of going along with OJ. Only the defendant can make those decisions. The lawyer can advise but they can't force the defendant to make a plea. It's in the constitution - the bill of rights.

There is no doubt in my mind OJ refused the plea (TWO TIMES Geraldo said)

http://www.billofrights.com/bill_of_rights.htm

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Note it does not say LAWYER OF THE ACCUSED has those rights.

OJ irregardless of counsel exercised his RIGHT to a trial, to confront his accusers and to be confronted with the witnesses against him.

Granted he's an idiot and the judge as much as told him so. I believe that's why. The state offered him MUCH less time. But he refused to plead guilty. shrug. His dime

Don't blame the lawyers for what he decided to do with his rights. It's not the 1st bad decision he's made.

OJ reminds me of the addage; When you know everything you're done learning.

[Adalena935]

I think OJ looks soooo cute in dark blue!! He gets to wear it every day!! Go Fred Goldman! JMO:rolleyes:

The uniforms are hideous, no? ugh! Ugly clothes alone could make a person spiral into despair. Imagine how bad the cuisine would make you feel too. Like eating wallpaper paste 3X's a day. Save me from a life of sin and degradation my idol Jack LaLanne!

:scared:

[Details]

I suspect Yale made the risks perfectly clear, but that OJ didn't want the deal. If your client doesn't want the deal, I don't think it's an attorney's place to abandon you if you won't follow their advice - you employ the attorney, not the other way around.

OJ probably thought he'd get off again - plenty of reason to think so, really - but this time it didn't work. Yale did what he could with what he had - and without the tapes confirming every word out of the thugs mouths, every statement from the victims, he might have had a shot as sliming everyone enough to create doubt.

[book]

Yes. The jury is out on him. If it is true that OJ was offered 2-4 years and refused, ending up with 8 -33, and Galanter saying he was very pleased, it could have been much worse....Just who was calling the shots there?

OJ was calling the shots and ignorant? What an understatement! One of Gallanter's jobs is to make PERFECTLY clear what he was up against even if he has an IQ of a beet. He had to out it straight just as Glass did..it's all on tape OJ!! It will probably be life!! You can't get lucky twice! Take the 2 to 4!!!!

But he didn't make it perfectly clear. He's his friend and went along with OJ. Hope he got paid up front.

So OJ could get a new trial because of an ineffective attorney?

IMO he won't get another trial because it was all on tape.

[book]

For book and others interested. Here's a map of Nevada with the prisons marked. So people can have an idea where they are geographicaly.

http://www.doc.nv.gov/facilities/index.php?idnum=0

Interesting to note is that the Ely prison is the only one Maximum security. High Desert (north of Vegas) and Nevada State Prison at Carson City are both Medium security.

Ely State Prison @ Ely (ESP) - Male/Maximum security
Nevada State Prison (NSP) @ Carson City - Male/Medium security
High Desert State Prison (HDSP) @ Indian Springs, NV - Male/Medium security

Here's a link that says it will not be named which one OJ goes to until after the transfer. That he most likely will be placed in a single cell.

http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9468690

Thanks for the info, found it useful. We won't know which one though until he's transferred.