Michelle Fisher Young murder: Dec. 5/08 >>

[BiggerRedDog]

Will there be new info to discuss today? Let's hope so.

It's time for justice for Michelle Fisher Young and her unborn son Rylan.

:rose:

[5swab5]

Will there be new info to discuss today? Let's hope so.

It's time for justice for Michelle Fisher Young and her unborn son Rylan.

:rose:

Thanks BRD!

Ya know, for the longest time, I thought that this SW might be a big deal. Upon reflection, I think we will have many more SWs in our future.
(fast forward)

Good-Night Jason...Good-Night Bubba.

MOO
Swabby

[Leanne Weich]

Thanks BRD!

Ya know, for the longest time, I thought that this SW might be a big deal. Upon reflection, I think we will have many more SWs in our future.
(fast forward)

Good-Night Jason...Good-Night Bubba.

MOO
Swabby

Hey Swabby.

I'm fearful you're right about many more SWs. As for the one to be released today, I sincerely hope there is something interesting to discuss. Maybe it has the same PC as the last two and was only sealed to protect all that has now come out. I hope not - we surely need to hear something different. JY knows what ot's all about no doubt - not so sure he's having a "good-night".

[5swab5]

Hey Swabby.

I'm fearful you're right about many more SWs. As for the one to be released today, I sincerely hope there is something interesting to discuss. Maybe it has the same PC as the last two and was only sealed to protect all that has now come out. I hope not - we surely need to hear something different. JY knows what ot's all about no doubt - not so sure he's having a "good-night".

Isn't it GREAT that they can use the exact same PC over and over again and yet get multiple SWs? Never let the enemy know what you are thinking.:thumbsup:

No telling what all else is out there, (maybe on someone's desk ...as I type)

MOO

[BiggerRedDog]

Isn't it GREAT that they can use the exact same PC over and over again and yet get multiple SWs? Never let the enemy know what you are thinking.:thumbsup:
No telling what all else is out there, (maybe on someone's desk ...as I type)
MOO
I hope it's not on my desk. They'd never find it! Seriously, I hope what's out there is coming in there. I have faith that it is. Better to have a case that sticks, than one that falls apart. This surely has to be why this is taking so long.

[JHP]

Wow..it's quiet around here this morning.:blink:

Maybe the quiet before the storm:wink:

[Lindsey]

Investigators thought Michelle Young's daughter was medicated


Posted: 21 minutes ago

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4081439/

[Kat4Eagles]

Investigators thought Michelle Young's daughter was medicated


Posted: 21 minutes ago

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4081439/



I was right for a change, it was about C !!

Thank you, Lin...for scooping this once again!!

Kat

[Lindsey]

I was right for a change, it was about C !!

Thank you, Lin...for scooping this once again!!

Kat

I don't get it tho. They thought the medicine would still show up in her 8 months later??? Why did they wait so long to test her? Sheesh!

Notice the date says July 25, 2007 - not July 5, 2007. Is this the one and only sealed SW?

[Kat4Eagles]

Lots of new stuff, but, RS is still Jason's att'y.

The keys on the counter!!

C may have left the home!!

And, her feet, which we had discussed, were clean..

Wow.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I don't get it tho. They thought the medicine would still show up in her 8 months later??? Why did they wait so long to test her? Sheesh!

Notice the date says July 25, 2007 - not July 5, 2007. Is this the one and only sealed SW?


Yeah, but you can counteract that by how lively and chatty C was on the 911 call ,she didn't sound drugged to me.

I am still :read:ing.

Nice work, girl!!!

:)
Kat

[Lindsey]

Lots of new stuff, but, RS is still Jason's att'y.

The keys on the counter!!

C may have left the home!!

And, her feet, which we had discussed, were clean..

Wow.

Kat


Hey they added the stuff about Michelle's car and keys and CY's feet etc. after I read the original article!

Posted: 35 minutes ago
Updated: 8 minutes ago

It's very possible the light colored SUV seen at the home that morning was Michelle's car, right?


I want to see all the search warrants to read for myself.

[Barbara2]

Here is a different article with some additional details:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6540109

[Kat4Eagles]

Investigators thought Michelle Young's daughter was medicated


Posted: 21 minutes ago

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4081439/



AE was right last nite, she said we would have more questions than answers when this was released.

So many things are even more unclear.

It says that C was found under the sheets in Michelle's bed, and yet

she doesn't sound like she just woke up, and why would she ask for a

washcloth if she were still in bed?

This 911 call makes even less sense now.

What about Michelle's car keys?

I don't understand, who would take C from the home, then bring her

back, and where did they take her, if they did, and would Jason have time?

Someone here posted the possibility that C was removed from the home long ago.

Is the actual s/w online yet?

:confused:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Thank you, Barbara

I just checked the Raleigh News Observer, nothing yet.

But this OT...Brad Cooper not going to get DP.

Kat

[Lindsey]

AE was right last nite, she said we would have more questions than answers when this was released.

So many things are even more unclear.

It says that C was found under the sheets in Michelle's bed, and yet

she doesn't sound like she just woke up, and why would she ask for a

washcloth if she were still in bed?

This 911 call makes even less sense now.

What about Michelle's car keys?

I don't understand, who would take C from the home, then bring her

back, and where did they take her, if they did, and would Jason have time?

Someone here posted the possibility that C was removed from the home long ago.

Is the actual s/w online yet?

:confused:

Kat

Yes, on the same page with the story. I haven't read them yet.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4081439/
Look under Documents

July 25, 2007, search warrant for Cassidy Young DNA
July 25, 2007, search warrant for Michelle Young's SUV
July 5, 2007, search warrant for Jason Young cell phone records

[Kat4Eagles]

Yes, on the same page with the story. I haven't read them yet.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4081439/
Look under Documents

July 25, 2007, search warrant for Cassidy Young DNA
July 25, 2007, search warrant for Michelle Young's SUV
July 5, 2007, search warrant for Jason Young cell phone records



Okay, thanks.

I am off to read too, but this is beyond ridiculous now.

All this time, I have been wondering why the Fishers allowed C to stay with Jason, and did NOTHING, and now we hear this?

:huh:
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

So the theory the paper delivery man may have been seeing someone load the child in her mothers car may be the right theory.


And, the car was Michelle's, maybe?

:confused:

Kat

[Lindsey]

Read the warrant about Michelle's SUV and the two different sets of car keys ... carefully.

[Kat4Eagles]

Wait a sec, am I reading this right?

On July 25th, 8 months after the murder, they went and looked at Michelle's car for blood?

HUH?

Kat

[cog1]

Ok...so there were bloody footprints around C's bathroom...but her feet were clean. The one article even says, "Meredith said she found the child with CLEAN feet under the sheets." So, it must have registered to Meredith that something was amiss that all of a sudden this girl had clean feet. Interesting.

I am not sure C left the scene...and as for testing her after the fact...I am with a previous poster. I am not sure what testing would reveal that far after the fact...

Can someone remind me about the garage situation? Did Michelle park her SUV in the garage? Is it possible that JY pulled MY's SUV out into the driveway and then pulled his into the garage so it wouldn't be seen (at least after MY was unconscious or dead to clean up)? That would also explain the car keys on the counter. Or, the car keys mean nothing...sometimes people just leave them on the counter.

I'm wondering if C walked around in that mess and J drugged her, brought her out to the car while he cleaned up. After she fell asleep of course. I think the theory of him moving M's vehicle makes sense also. Then after the clean up and while C was still sleeping he put her to bed and left. When C awoke in the AM the blood was dry maybe so no more foot prints from C?

AMOO

[Kat4Eagles]

Read the warrant about Michelle's SUV and the two different sets of car keys ... carefully.


Why would her car keys be on Michelle's car, and Michelle's keys on the

counter,unless someone moved Michelle's car, and that was the car in

the driveway seen by the news carrier?

HUH?

Kat

[cog1]

Confused, I can't get the first one to open up. The one with C walking around. Do you have another link?

TIA

[Barbara2]

If Meredith's actions and statements are so suspicious, where are the search warrants focusing on her? So far we're only seeing warrants (including these just unsealed) that focus on Jason.

[cog1]

If Meredith's actions and statements are so suspicious, where are the search warrants focusing on her? So far we're only seeing warrants (including these just unsealed) that focus on Jason.


Hi Barbara2, I agree. The one search warrant with C on J's side of the bed does not specify whether C was IN the bed or OUT of the bed. So she could have been IN the bed under the sheets on J's side. What do you think?

[Kat4Eagles]

In one search warrant it said she was found walking inside the home. One said on her fathers side of the bed, now this one saids under the sheets on her fathers side of the bed. I am now wondering if MF took her in the house with her and that is why she can't keep the stories straight as to were the child was?


walking around:
http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2006/12/08/1085656/warrant1.swf

father's side of the bed:

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/11/06/3914018/20081106190923866.pdf


under the sheet and clean:

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4083976/July_25,_2007,_search_warrant_for_CassidyYoung_DNA .pdf



Something is very wrong, Confused.

Why would Jason drug his own daughter?

It would make more sense that C woke up sometime that nite/am, and the killer(s) went into her room, looked around for something to quiet her, and found the cold medicines..

Don't forget the Lion King and jelly beans posts either.

If true, who would give a child candy in the middle of the nite, not a parent!!

This is getting weirder.


Kat

[Barbara2]

Hi Barbara2, I agree. They one search warrant with C on J's side of the bed does not specify whether C was IN the bed or OUT of the bed. So she could have been IN the bed under the sheets on J's side. What do you think?

I think that it is obvious that some are desperate to find another family member besides Jason that they can try to implicate because it's obvious that this was no stranger "burglary gone bad". Someone breaking into the house for the purposes of burglarizing would not have taken the time to clean up the child and get her back to bed. IMO

[cog1]

I think that it is obvious that some are desperate to find another family member besides Jason that they can try to implicate because it's obvious that this was no stranger "burglary gone bad". Someone breaking into the house for the purposes of burglarizing would not have taken the time to clean up the child and get her back to bed. IMO

Yes I agree! Will we get the dna from the dropper do you think? But, how do you prove when it was given to C? What a sad and tragic mess! I want this case solved so badly as most do. I just can't imagine how her family is dealing with all of this. And to think that someone gave C adult medication. My first reaction to that way back when was, Michelle must have turned over thinking it could have killed her child! How very very sad!!

[Kat4Eagles]

If Meredith's actions and statements are so suspicious, where are the search warrants focusing on her? So far we're only seeing warrants (including these just unsealed) that focus on Jason.



Then why no indictment or arrest?

These are old warrants with only the new one for a Yahoo account.

Emails that could be between other people, not just Jason.

We have no idea what else there is...or who it pertains to.

And , I see a lot of things were posted wrong here now.

Kat

[TheRed]

If her daddy just murdered her mommy, he probably would've given her anything she asked for, even jelly beans and Lion King video.

of course, JMO.

C'mon, use some logic here! Is it really that hard to understand?

[Kat4Eagles]

Hi Kat, Remember we were told over and over by a poster that is no longer allowed here that the child wasn't in that house all day by herself. Maybe in her ramblings she has said where she went. I doubt she would remember now but she may have then. I think the DNA would have been to check with the dropper. My question would be why wasn't her DNA taken at the time of the murder as a means of ruling out unknown DNA. The only other possible reason to take her DNA 6 months after the murder is that someone brought up her parentage and LE checked it in the most gentle way they could.



Omg, yes, and the fact that C says "remember" on the phone.

That 911 call is becoming bigger, because we can hear C for ourselves, in her own

words, and no way does that poor child sound drugged.

She is alert, sharp, and aware of her surroundings.

So,much so, that her aunt even asked her what happened or if she saw anyone!!!!

WOW.

Kat

[Barbara2]

Exactly and we aren't seeing any arrest either. LE has spent hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars trying to make JY the killer. Why don't they now turn their attention another direction? Why are they so intent on him being the killer? I believe it was because of stories they were told from the minute they arrived at the home.

I believe it's because of evidence collected, some that has been made public and some that has not, that implicates Jason as the killer. He hasn't been arrested yet but that doesn't mean he won't be. IMO

[Barbara2]

I wouldn't be too sure of that !!

Vegas is dropping the odds as we speak..

Kat

This isn't a game. :mad:

[Kat4Eagles]

Okay, I got it.

The dropper was tested to see if it matched the dna inside of C's cheek, okay, that makes sense.

That could have been done at a later date.

Although, she should have been checked out thoroughly the day of the murder, was she?

Kat

[alter ego]

Read the warrant about Michelle's SUV and the two different sets of car keys ... carefully.
Why are Meredith's keys on the hood of Michelle's car in the garage:confused:

[Kat4Eagles]

And this is what it goes back to for me. JY has NEVER inquired as to how the investigation is going or tried to help in ANY WAY. What a loving husband. He cares more about not being questioned than he does about justice (for those who assume he is innocent).


Not true, :no:

The Young family hired therir own investigator.

Hope this helps.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

That might be what breaks this case. The fact she put the wrong keys in the wrong place. LE can't be so blind that they aren't looking at her after all this misinformation.



There have been some postings here that she may have made other calls before the 911 one too.

I wonder if they checked that out?

I am going to listen to the 911 call again and see "exactly" what C says and pay more attention to it.

Kat

[Leanne Weich]

I did MF said she laid her keys on the
kitchen counter as she always did. Later in photos her(MF's) keys were found laying on MY's car hood and the keys on the counter were for MY's car. Interesting , why did she have MY's keys. Could it be she was driving that car that day?

I think that portion of the PC is very badly written and ambiguous. Clearly, Meredith's responses to questions made sense (and I have no doubt LE would have investigated the possibility of her being an accomplice of JY if not the perpetrator) or we would have seen SWs looking Meredith's way. I'm sorry that they didn't test CY's hair for drugging. Shannon Matthews in the UK who was hidden by her mother had her hair tested and it was found she had been consistently drugged for 20 months and one of the drugs was an over the counter travel sickness med. All roads, at this point in time, still appear to be leading to JY. As far as whether RS is still JY's attorney, he may well have withdrawn or been let go, hence the continual "no comment", imo.

[Kat4Eagles]

http://newsobserver.com/news/story/1322394.html

[JHP]

Something is very wrong, Confused.

Why would Jason drug his own daughter?

It would make more sense that C woke up sometime that nite/am, and the killer(s) went into her room, looked around for something to quiet her, and found the cold medicines..

Don't forget the Lion King and jelly beans posts either.

If true, who would give a child candy in the middle of the nite, not a parent!!

This is getting weirder.


Kat

Kat, If Jason is the one who killed Michelle he would have no problem with drugging Cassidy.

The Lion King and jelly beans was put out as a riddle for the posters to solve. It points to Meredith. IIRC just the facts was the poster that did that. It has nothing to do with eating candy.

JMO

[alter ego]

I don't know. Unless I read her statement verbatim, a lot of what is said in SWs is an interpretation of what the officers heard or interpretation of what they read. She could have at one time said, "I knew she has walked around in the house because of the bloody footprints in the bathroom"...which doesn't mean that she found her walking around. It just means that she had assumed she did at one point and said it out loud or wrote it in her statement, etc.

Remember, the SW wording is that of LE, NOT Meredith.

The last two links you provided don't contradict one another.
Then that means the affiant lied on the probable cause of that search warrant by stating that Meredith discovered the child walking around when she entered the residence.

[Kat4Eagles]

Then that means the affiant lied on the probable cause of that search warrant by stating that Meredith discovered the child walking around when she entered the residence.

No matter how many times I listen to the 911 call, I always pick up something new.

She says, " I never come here during the day" which means what?

She only visits Michelle at nite.

She says.......
"There is blood all over the bed"
The bed /sheets are covered with blood, so how come C has none on her?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Is there any one on here that knows where MY's car was parked in the garage? Was it close to the entrance to the home?

I am pretty sure it was, cause Jason kept their boat in there, so I can't

see the boat being near the door, and, the garage door opener was broke.

With the garage door opener being broke, anyone could access the garage, and the garage door to the home being unlocked, anyone could have went in the home.

Anyone.

Kat

[Leanne Weich]

No matter how many times I listen to the 911 call, I always pick up something new.

She says, " I never come here during the day" which means what?

She only visits Michelle at nite.

She says.......
"There is blood all over the bed"
The bed /sheets are covered with blood, so how come C has none on her?

Kat

I don't think you can take a statement like " I never come here during the day" literally when you consider what her state of mind was. Perhaps she meant during the day on a weekday or specifically without being invited by Michelle. We can all ascribe whatever we want to the 911 call but, quite obviously, LE have found nothing suspicious about it or we'd have seen SWs directed toward Meredith.

[Kat4Eagles]

Just another thing to add...if the car keys couldn't have been explained from way back in 2007...why would the new search warrants still focus on JY?



These are not new warrants, the new ones are only mostly for his commnications.

Kat

[alter ego]

This is my thought. It said the actual garage door was unsecured, but the door into the kitchen from the garage may not have been. At the point that Meredith entered into the garage with Michelle's vehicle still there, she must have known something was amiss.

Now...if the actual door, door was locked and a key hidden somewhere, perhaps Meredith laid her own keys down as she searched for that key and then never picked them back up. Perhaps in all of the confusion she thought she had laid them on the counter.

It does sound funny, I will admit to that...but I think it had to do with confusion rather than something sinister. Because, I don't even know how you could make Meredith's keys on Michelle's vehicle sinister. Obviously, Meredith's car was there too...she can't drive two vehicles and needed her keys to drive her own over after JY called.

This all goes back to Meredith stating on the 911 call that Michelle wasn't even supposed to be at the house. But she had to have known Michelle was there because she put her keys on the hood of Michelle's car in the garage. If those keys were for Meredith's car, why were they still there when the scene was photographed by CCBI at a later time?

Another thing I don't get - why did LE make the leap of logic that Cassidy was taken from the home to clean her up instead of the obvious conclusion that she was cleaned up in her own bathroom. Michelle could have put her car keys on the counter the night before.

[alter ego]

I think lied is a pretty heavy word to use. I don't think the miswording was intentional.Miswording?

It's either what Meredith told the affiant or it isn't.

[alter ego]

Why when she told police her story did she say she dropped her keys on the kitchen counter like she always did? Oops wrong keys. IMOO
When did she say that?

[alter ego]

Do we know that Meredith was allowed to take her car from the scene? If she wasn't, that is why they still could have been there AND they could have been moved out there for various reasons (even investigators could have done it). Who knows. I still think it has to do with the confusion of what was going on.

I agree with you though -- I am not sure that I would have made that same leap that Cassidy was removed...and I agree Michelle could have put the keys on the counter the night before.
Why wouldn't she be allowed to leave in her own vehicle? And another thing, how would she get into her house if her keys are on the hood of her sister's car?

Investigators would have done it - done what, put Merediths' keys on the hood of Michelle's car?

[alter ego]

And this is what it goes back to for me. JY has NEVER inquired as to how the investigation is going or tried to help in ANY WAY. What a loving husband. He cares more about not being questioned than he does about justice (for those who assume he is innocent).Everything you say will be used against you. Everything.

You mean cooperating like the loving husband Brad Cooper did? Or Jeffrey MacDonald did?

[Kat4Eagles]

Why wouldn't she be allowed to leave in her own vehicle? And another thing, how would she get into her house if her keys are on the hood of her sister's car?

Investigators would have done it - done what, put Merediths' keys on the hood of Michelle's car?


I think her car had to be left at the crime scene, but I am not sure.

Do you think Michelle's car could have still been warm for some reason?

I doubt it.

But, that's just it, all these doubts.

For the record:

I have never accused anyone of murdering Michelle, I have always said I do not know, but I have always had doubts too, and all you need is ONE reasonable doubt.

Kat

[alter ego]

It's very possible the light colored SUV seen at the home that morning was Michelle's car, right?


.

It sure seems that way, Lindsey.

[alter ego]

Right in the warrant. Read the PC. She said as her stated practice she placed her keys on the kitchen counter.


http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4083955/July_25,_2007,_search_warrant_for_Michelle_Young's _SUV.pdf

Whoa. :ohmy:



"in order to maintain the clean condition the child was found in, removal from the scene would have been the simplest action"

So LE theorized Cassidy was taken from the home for a long period of time preventing her from walking thru her mother's blood or getting her mother's blood on her as she attempted to wake her.

And in the same breath, they theorize Cassidy was drugged.

[Kat4Eagles]

It sure seems like someone could have been loading the child in it. IMOO


And if the car keys are so unimportant to the case, why are they

mentioned in the s/w along with an attempt of explanation?

:confused:

Kat

[alter ego]

It was a crime scene -- there is no telling what she was asked to do with her vehicle. Perhaps they had to look at it. And, we don't know she had the key to the house on her actual key ring (at least I haven't seen anything stating that or if she actually needed the key).

I said the investigators COULD HAVE, not that they would have. There is a difference.

Not to mention, if those were the only keys to Meredith's vehicle at that house, then there is no way she drove her own vehicle from there because the keys were in the picture. Does that make sense? My hunch is that they made her keep it there for at least an initial investigation period.Yes you did say could - sorry bout that - but that would mean they contaiminated the crime scene by moving keys for which they would have no reason for doing so.

Yes, what you say makes sense. What doesn't make sense is why Meredith's keys are on the hood of her sister's car when her custom was putting her keys on the counter. The counter where Michelle's keys were found.

At least I'm now seeing why LE thought Michelle's vehicle was used to remove Cassidy from the home.

[alter ego]

I still cannot get the SUV pdf to open.....GRRRRRR...
Did you get it to open?

[Kat4Eagles]

The Judge is ready to hand down sentencing for OJ.
Kat


ETA......
He got 15 years ,the first 6 years uneligble for parole.
The Goldmans were there.

[Kat4Eagles]

I have a small list.

1. tooth not found after 13 days in house.
2. Linens not taken for testing.
3. Size 10 shoe print left at scene . JY wears a 12.
4. Child was walking around the house.
5. Child was on fathers side of the bed.
6. In one warrant JY called her in the morning.
7. In another warrant he called her in the afternoon.
8. In one warrant she states she put her keys n the kitchen counter.
9 Her keys found on the hood of MY's car in the garage.
10. Lets not forget that 911 call. A defense attorneys dream.

Excellent, and can I add.

11) No sexual assault exam


I think there is a lot to think about that was released today.

Keys must play a big part, or why would they matter at all?

What would be the point to have them in a s.w?


Kat

[5swab5]

Why is it impossible for Jason's supporters here to consider:

Jason called Meredith out of the blue to go to his home and retrieve paperwork on an Ebay item that the auction had already expired on. Meredith finds her sister beaten to a bloody pulp, yet Cassidy and Mr. Garrison were unharmed.

She had to call 911, wait for the responders and police, then get Cassidy out of the house.

Geeze...She couldn't remember where her car keys were, OR she picked up the wrong set when exiting the house, later realized it...and placed them on the hood of Michelle's car.

Trying to make a big deal out of NOTHING IMO only makes Jason look worse.

MOO

[alter ego]

I guess I am taking into consideration that she was in a bit of shock and may not have remembered exactly. I truly believe that things started getting "weird" the moment she saw Michelle's SUV still there (because that, combined with the call from JY, would have been highly unusual). And with the shock of finding that and then her sister dead and her niece in bed, etc., perhaps she just thought she threw them on the counter where she usually does. I don't know about anyone else, but after going through all of that, I probably would have jumbled crap up too.

Like I said before, I think the police were satisfied with whatever explanation was arrived at, because none of the NEWEST search warrants seem to have anything to do with MF. Unless, some of you think that JY acted with MF.

I agree with someone at FP in that the wording on that particular SW probably isn't the greatest.
It just makes no sense for her to put her keys on the hood of her sister's Lexus. That would mean that she unlocked the door from the garage to the kitchen then put the keys on the hood of the car OR the door was not locked so she put the keys on the hood of the car and then opened the unlocked door. Either way, it was totally out of character.

An it in no way shape or form explains how Michelle's keys ended up on the counter where Meredith said she normally put her keys.

[Kat4Eagles]

Why is it impossible for Jason's supporters here to consider:

Jason called Meredith out of the blue to go to his home and retrieve paperwork on an Ebay item that the auction had already expired on. Meredith finds her sister beaten to a bloody pulp, yet Cassidy and Mr. Garrison were unharmed.

She had to call 911, wait for the responders and police, then get Cassidy out of the house.

Geeze...She couldn't remember where her car keys were, OR she picked up the wrong set when exiting the house, later realized it...and placed them on the hood of Michelle's car.

Trying to make a big deal out of NOTHING IMO only makes Jason look worse.

MOO

No, it is something!!

You have the 911 call, some of us always thought was strange.

You have different versions of where C was found, and now her car

keys on Michelle's car in a search warrant.

You have a person in their own words, say that they are not happy in their life, have done nothing with their college education , and moved to NC from NY , so, what happened there?

It is okay if we ask why, we certainly have heard enough about Jason !!

And, if you are so certain these keys mean nothing, why the need to include them in the s/w?

And, as always......

Why no arrest of Jason Young?

:shrug:
Kat

[alter ego]

Why is it impossible for Jason's supporters here to consider:

Jason called Meredith out of the blue to go to his home and retrieve paperwork on an Ebay item that the auction had already expired on. Meredith finds her sister beaten to a bloody pulp, yet Cassidy and Mr. Garrison were unharmed.

She had to call 911, wait for the responders and police, then get Cassidy out of the house.

Geeze...She couldn't remember where her car keys were, OR she picked up the wrong set when exiting the house, later realized it...and placed them on the hood of Michelle's car.

Trying to make a big deal out of NOTHING IMO only makes Jason look worse.

MOOHow are Meredith's keys found on the hood of Michelle's car the 'wrong set'?

How does questioning Meredith's out of character behavior with her own keys make Jason look worse.

[Kat4Eagles]

Thanks Kat I forgot that one.


You are welcome.
:beer:

Kat

[alter ego]

And if the car keys are so unimportant to the case, why are they

mentioned in the s/w along with an attempt of explanation?

:confused:

KatAnd her saying she was called by Jason in the MORNING when the VM was left at 12:30 in the afternoon.

[caffeinated]

can anyone point me to the 911 audio? thanks

[karen]

Why did she even make a point of mentioning the keys? Not something I would have thought to mention if I had just found my sister murdered. I forget have we seen a print out of this voice mail or are we just taking MF's word for it. Maybe LE is seeing if they can retrieve that voice mail and that is why they did a warrant for JY's phone calls. Wonder if MF has sent any emails to JY since her sisters murder? I guess LE will get them if she has.


MF has not sent e-mails to JY, why would you even think that?:angry:

The warrant for JY's phone calls have absolutely nothing to do with MF, just MM!!!!!!!!!!

[alter ego]

Actually, no...but someone at FP gave the link to them from a different website. That is why I have been able to discuss the issue here for a bit. Thanks for checking in on me, though!
Good to hear and np!

We were all expecting ONE warrant to be unsealed. Instead, there are FOUR.

[Barbara2]

can anyone point me to the 911 audio? thanks

http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/audio/1635165/

[alter ego]

MF has not sent e-mails to JY, why would you even think that?:angry:

The warrant for JY's phone calls have absolutely nothing to do with MF, just MM!!!!!!!!!!
How do you know?

"WSCO Investigator McCormack told me on June 29, 2007 of information obtained under court order of Jason Young being in recent June 2007 phone and text message contacts with key case witnesses who were among those he had history of also being in email contact. This contact included renewed communication with at least one witness he had last been known to contact on the date the murder victim was found"
http://www.wral.com/news/local/document/4083919/

Sounds like they are talking about Meredith.

[alter ego]

If you read this warrant closely I think LE may be saying they think MF drove the care to remove Cassie from the house.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4083955/July_25,_2007,_search_warrant_for_Michelle_Young's _SUV.pdf
They certainly theorized someone did as an explaination as to how Cassidy stayed so clean.

[caffeinated]

http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/audio/1635165/
thank you so much

[karen]

How do you know?

"WSCO Investigator McCormack told me on June 29, 2007 of information obtained under court order of Jason Young being in recent June 2007 phone and text message contacts with key case witnesses who were among those he had history of also being in email contact. This contact included renewed communication with at least one witness he had last been known to contact on the date the murder victim was found"
http://www.wral.com/news/local/document/4083919/

Sounds like they are talking about Meredith.

No, he was talking about MM. :wink:

[JHP]

Ok...I am willing to hear a different theory (always have been if it makes sense).

We are all hearing how indeed it is interesting that Meredith's keys are on Michelle's vehicle. Ok...now tell me the series of events that would get them there...because I can't dream any up. If she drove Michelle's SUV, they would be Michelle's keys. They would fall off if you drive with them on the hood.

The only thing I see is a discrepancy as to where she believe she placed them and with the commotion of the day...perhaps she didn't remember correctly.


Maybe the dog ran out when she opened the door? And she put her keys down to either calm him down or let him out?

It would be nice to know the layout of the garage.

I wonder where Michelle normally kept her keys?

[alter ego]

At the same time they question MF's keys being on the hood.Yeah and I can see why.

[alter ego]

No, he was talking about MM. :wink:Not according to other SW's that say Jason and MM were in constant daily contact until Jan of this year.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Can someone please post the link to "someone" being labeled as a pathological liar. I have yet to see it. I don't think a rumor counts?:cool:

[BSNBREVARDNC]

I don't believe for a moment who ever killed MY was alone. I have always thought a man and a woman. Two shoe prints two people. I have never bough into that changing of shes thing. My theory someone drove MY's car with Cassie in it easier than moving car seat and someone else drove another car or pulled it into garage where MY's car was. Then when they returned that is where the mix up in keys took place.


So you think MM helped JY? Or was it one of his other girlfriends?:ohmy:

[5swab5]

Can someone please post the link to "someone" being labeled as a pathological liar. I have yet to see it. I don't think a rumor counts?:cool:

I don't have a link yet.:biggrinjester:

But, per the latest SWs Jason didn't exactly follow his Attorney's advice.

Jason has been running his mouth from day ONE! It will bite him in the end. NO WAY Jason can remember which story he told to which friend in his feeble attempt via texts/emails/PMs/IMs to find out what they knew or were questioned about by LE.

MOO

Not to mention the plethora of phone calls.

Michelle & Rylan are one day closer to justice.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

I don't have a link yet.:biggrinjester:

But, per the latest SWs Jason didn't exactly follow his Attorney's advice.

Jason has been running his mouth from day ONE! It will bite him in the end. NO WAY Jason can remember which story he told to which friend in his feeble attempt via texts/emails/PMs/IMs to find out what they knew or were questioned about by LE.

MOO

Not to mention the plethora of phone calls.

JY was not the person I was speaking about. Certain posters keep using "pathological liar" in reference to someone else. They need to stop unless they can show us a link that states this to be a fact.

[MerriMent]

It sure seems like someone could have been loading the child in it. IMOO

Absolutely. There had to be some action observed by the witness to conclude the car was being loaded. I think the keys were set down to unload CY from her car seat.

[MerriMent]

Yeah and I can see why.

Conflicting statements made to LE are a huge red flag. I can see why the search warrants were sealed. Hopefully, an arrest soon.

[JHP]

Absolutely. There had to be some action observed by the witness to conclude the car was being loaded. I think the keys were set down to unload CY from her car seat.

The car that the witness saw was similar to Jason's SUV, not a lexus. Did Meredith have a key to Michelle's car on her keyring?

[Barbara2]

So you think MM helped JY? Or was it one of his other girlfriends?:ohmy:

I really don't think that MM was directly involved at all. If anything, she may have been an unwitting catalyst. Prior to the murder, in Jason's own words to MM:

"i don't know how all this happened, but i know how it will end up...two broken hearts...but, i don't care. i know there is pain in my future, but you are so worth it, even if it's only for a "blink" in time."

What could he mean by that? Do you think it was a subconcious prophesy regarding his thoughts and plans for the near future?

[MerriMent]

JY was not the person I was speaking about. Certain posters keep using "pathological liar" in reference to someone else. They need to stop unless they can show us a link that states this to be a fact.

It's in reference to Meredith Fisher who, according to sw, made inconsistent statements to LE and LE caught it only after matching photos to the statement AND sealed the warrant. That's pretty serious. It's not much of a leap to form a negative opinion of Meredith Fisher.

[5swab5]

I really don't think that MM was directly involved at all. If anything, she may have been an unwitting catalyst. Prior to the murder, in Jason's own words to MM:

"i don't know how all this happened, but i know how it will end up...two broken hearts...but, i don't care. i know there is pain in my future, but you are so worth it, even if it's only for a "blink" in time."

What could he mean by that? Do you think it was a subconcious prophesy regarding his thoughts and plans for the near future?

Personally, that email sent off a red flag to me, but of course retrospect is everything. I can't wait to see at trial what MM's response was.

(I know that we have A response, but the SW does not say, that the very next message mention from MM was really the next one. Maybe even phone calls in the interim, who knows?)

MOO

Edited to add: I am glad I watched the Mark Jensen trial, at least I now know what IDLY, ILY, ect. means, in addition to a whole bunch of other stuff, that isn't for "primetime". :)

[Barbara2]

It's in reference to Meredith Fisher who, according to sw, made inconsistent statements to LE and LE caught it only after matching photos to the statement AND sealed the warrant. That's pretty serious. It's not much of a leap to form a negative opinion of Meredith Fisher.

It is very much of a leap. The so called "inconsistent statement" has nothing to do with the evidence or the murder. All it REALLY shows is that a handful of people were wrong when they claimed that investigators only focused on Jason in the beginning. Others were questioned, investigated and cleared. And all of the recent warrants that have been executed have focused on JY. IMO

[jerry50]

It's in reference to Meredith Fisher who, according to sw, made inconsistent statements to LE and LE caught it only after matching photos to the statement AND sealed the warrant. That's pretty serious. It's not much of a leap to form a negative opinion of Meredith Fisher.


Why would the sheriff say that he expected the WDS against Jason if the evidence was pointing to Meredith?

Hoping won't make it so.

[MerriMent]

So, Meredith (or her car) was there all day? Wouldn't someone have seen her car?

I believe they would have....so this doesn't make much sense.

It sounds as though LE believe Meredith removed CY from the house in Michelle's car and didn't return until later.

[im4justice]

The car that the witness saw was similar to Jason's SUV, not a lexus. Did Meredith have a key to Michelle's car on her keyring?

Nice to hear from a poster with common sense
I don't think the keys have any significance. Sure they are mentioned in the SW We've heard about the 28 calls to PY in SWs What significance did those have to the case? Some people want to pick and choose what they want out of those SWs but you have to look at the whole picture.

[MerriMent]

Why would the sheriff say that he expected the WDS against Jason if the evidence was pointing to Meredith?

Hoping won't make it so.

You'll have to ask the sheriff. The search warrants released today aren't a figment of the sheriff's imagination.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

It's in reference to Meredith Fisher who, according to sw, made inconsistent statements to LE and LE caught it only after matching photos to the statement AND sealed the warrant. That's pretty serious. It's not much of a leap to form a negative opinion of Meredith Fisher.

You must have strong legs because that's a big leap. I still see no link for the pathological liar diagnosis?

What in the world do you use to support your positive opinion of Jason?

[MerriMent]

It is very much of a leap. The so called "inconsistent statement" has nothing to do with the evidence or the murder. All it REALLY shows is that a handful of people were wrong when they claimed that investigators only focused on Jason in the beginning. Others were questioned, investigated and cleared. And all of the recent warrants that have been executed have focused on JY. IMO

imo, You really are in deep denial if you believe inconsistent statements to LE are not evidence or that LE "cleared" Meredith and just sealed the warrants for the fun of it.

[Kat4Eagles]

Conflicting statements made to LE are a huge red flag. I can see why the search warrants were sealed. Hopefully, an arrest soon.



I could not agree more.

Could even be the reason Jason and his attorney, Roger Smith, have

not answered to the wrongful death suit, either.

How do we know Jason did not ask this person the nite before to go to the home and look at the purse, and they did go.
.
Maybe not alone, maybe with friends. maybe something stupid happened or got out of hand.

2 sets of shoe prints
No one knows what happened after the GA friend left.

It does not sound like this investigation is slowing down but could be looking at someone besides Jason.

I think this is finally some good news, and the 911 call should be reviewed, revisited, and reevaluated.

Kat

[MerriMent]

Merriment, the two recent search warrants. The new ones -- the one in November and the one from two days ago -- what were they for? Who did they pertain to? NOT MF.

They were for communications between Jason and others who are considered witnesses and MF is most certainly in that pool.

[Kat4Eagles]

imo, You really are in deep denial if you believe inconsistent statements to LE are not evidence or that LE "cleared" Meredith and just sealed the warrants for the fun of it.


I never heard anyone was cleared...

Did you?

Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

imo, You really are in deep denial if you believe inconsistent statements to LE are not evidence or that LE "cleared" Meredith and just sealed the warrants for the fun of it.

And yet, no SW’s about her since. The only SW’s that have been served since these are directed toward Jason Young. Hmmmmm. Why would that be?:closedeyes:

[Kat4Eagles]

They were for communications between Jason and others who are considered witnesses and MF is most certainly in that pool.


Someone posted about MF sending Jason an email, and asking to live with him and C, or for them to come stay with her.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

And yet, no SW’s about her since. The only SW’s that have been served since these are directed toward Jason Young. Hmmmmm. Why would that be?:closedeyes:


That we are aware of.
But, no one knew 4 of them would be released today, either.

No one.

Kat

[MerriMent]

Right...so MF was going to risk being seen in broad daylight in Michelle's SUV? If she did that she deserves to go to jail just for being DUMB.

If you are trying to say she returned in the wee early morning with Michelle's SUV, then her (MF's) car would have been there in daylight for people to see (because you believe that her keys got on the hood of the Lexus when she brought C back).

Either way, there would have been more eyewitness evidence of something and there isn't.

Who said anything about broad daylight? The SUV was seen long before daylight and it is unknown when it returned. Maybe if Meredith ever gets around to telling the truth, we'll know the when. The house looks pretty secluded. Why are you assuming there would be more eyewitnesses? All the DA needs is one and he has one.

[karen]

I could not agree more.

Could even be the reason Jason and his attorney, Roger Smith, have

not answered to the wrongful death suit, either.

How do we know Jason did not ask this person the nite before to go to the home and look at the purse, and they did go.
.
Maybe not alone, maybe with friends. maybe something stupid happened or got out of hand.

2 sets of shoe prints
No one knows what happened after the GA friend left.

It does not sound like this investigation is slowing down but could be looking at someone besides Jason.

I think this is finally some good news, and the 911 call should be reviewed, revisited, and reevaluated.

Kat


:sneaky: Do you really thin MM helped JY? OMG

[Kat4Eagles]

:sneaky: Do you really thin MM helped JY? OMG

Not from Florida.

:rolleyes:

Kat

[MerriMent]

I could not agree more.

Could even be the reason Jason and his attorney, Roger Smith, have

not answered to the wrongful death suit, either.

How do we know Jason did not ask this person the nite before to go to the home and look at the purse, and they did go.
.
Maybe not alone, maybe with friends. maybe something stupid happened or got out of hand.

2 sets of shoe prints
No one knows what happened after the GA friend left.

It does not sound like this investigation is slowing down but could be looking at someone besides Jason.

I think this is finally some good news, and the 911 call should be reviewed, revisited, and reevaluated.

Kat


ITA. The wrongful death lawsuit will be tossed if someone other than Jason is arrested and it seems headed in the direction of Meredith Fisher. I noticed LE has consistently refused to divulge what time Jason's phone records indicate he called Meredith.

[5swab5]

It's in reference to Meredith Fisher who, according to sw, made inconsistent statements to LE and LE caught it only after matching photos to the statement AND sealed the warrant. That's pretty serious. It's not much of a leap to form a negative opinion of Meredith Fisher.

Surely you jest!

You mean the lady, that Michelle's husband SENT to Birchleaf to discover his handiwork? You mean the lady that Jason had NOTHING bad to say about, even to his LOVER in email correspondences?

"...thank God for Meredith is all I can say...that girl is so level headed and cool...once again, a "bigger" girl with a cool personality."

As opposed to a "negative opinion" of a husband and father, that HUNG UP on LE when he was on his way back to Raleigh? He has NEVER called to find out how the investigation is going? Didn't even ask about Cassidy in the initial phone call.

IF Jason wanted to throw LE off his scent, he would be screaming from the Capitol dome that Meredith "did it". Why is he not? Cause he can't open his mouth.

MOO

[annalyzer]

:sneaky: Do you really thin MM helped JY? OMG


You mean MF? MM was in Florida I do believe.

[Kat4Eagles]

They were for communications between Jason and others who are considered witnesses and MF is most certainly in that pool.

Of course, she is a witness, she found the body, made the call, but what if the rumors are true that she made other calls before the
911 one?

Why would she do that?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Surely you jest!

You mean the lady, that Michelle's husband SENT to Birchleaf to discover his handiwork? You mean the lady that Jason had NOTHING bad to say about, even to his LOVER in email correspondences?

"...thank God for Meredith is all I can say...that girl is so level headed and cool...once again, a "bigger" girl with a cool personality."

As opposed to a "negative opinion" of a husband and father, that HUNG UP on LE when he was on his way back to Raleigh? He has NEVER called to find out how the investigation is going? Didn't even ask about Cassidy in the initial phone call.

IF Jason wanted to throw LE off his scent, he would be screaming from the Capitol dome that Meredith "did it". Why is he not? Cause he can't open his mouth.

MOO


Didn't Jason and his family hire a private investigator ?

How do we know what was found?

Everytime someone tries to tell us anything different, they don't get treated very well.

Maybe Jason is confident that L E will finally find out what his P I did, and is content for the investigation to go on.

I know he sure did not sound very worried or concerned in his emails with Kim, did he?

Kat

[karen]

Jason Young has now been linked to the murder of his wife, Michelle, after blood spatter that was found on a bedroom wall near the body of the 29-year-old victim matched his DNA.
DNA and a bloody shoe print that was similar to his shoes....
http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/20080818/NEWS/125281

"And no, Ann. I meant MM....." JY's DNA not Merediths.....

[JHP]

Nice to hear from a poster with common sense
I don't think the keys have any significance. Sure they are mentioned in the SW We've heard about the 28 calls to PY in SWs What significance did those have to the case? Some people want to pick and choose what they want out of those SWs but you have to look at the whole picture.

Thank you im4justice. Yes, I think if really look at the big picture it's all there.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Thank you im4justice. Yes, I think if really look at the big picture it's all there.

JMO

Except an indictment and an arrest.

25 months and 2 days later.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Jason Young has now been linked to the murder of his wife, Michelle, after blood spatter that was found on a bedroom wall near the body of the 29-year-old victim matched his DNA.
DNA and a bloody shoe print that was similar to his shoes....
http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/20080818/NEWS/125281

"And no, Ann. I meant MM....." JY's DNA not Merediths.....


That article was from sometime last summer, I think.

Kat

[JHP]

Except an indictment and an arrest.

25 months and 2 days later.

Kat

I'm not really sure what the DA's holdup is. I cannot imagine it being this key issue.

Whatever it is I hope somebody's making sure Cassidy's safe.

JMO

[MerriMent]

Jason Young has now been linked to the murder of his wife, Michelle, after blood spatter that was found on a bedroom wall near the body of the 29-year-old victim matched his DNA.
DNA and a bloody shoe print that was similar to his shoes....
http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/20080818/NEWS/125281

"And no, Ann. I meant MM....." JY's DNA not Merediths.....

Jason's DNA wasn't found in blood spatter nor did the blood spatter match his DNA.

[MerriMent]

Except an indictment and an arrest.

25 months and 2 days later.

Kat

Wasn't Brad Cooper arrested and the basis was inconsistent statements made to LE?

[im4justice]

Not if it was inside the garage. LE are the ones that are confused about the keys. They say as much in the warrant. MF tell them she walked in an as a stated practice laid her keys on the counter. Later in photos LE couldn't identify the keys on MY's hood so they asked around. MF identified them as hers. So if the keys MF laid on the counter were MY's then MF must have been driving MY's car. Makes perfect sense to me.

I'm glad it makes sense to you but it makes no sense to me
are you saying Meredith parked her Honda in the garage(wasnt there the lexus and a boat in there) ? Takes Michelles keys to drive the Lexus but drives around with her own (Meredith's keys) on the hood of the car without them falling off and then returns and puts Michelles keys back in the kitchen? That makes sense to you???:huh:

[Barbara2]

I'm not really sure what the DA's holdup is. I cannot imagine it being this key issue.

Whatever it is I hope somebody's making sure Cassidy's safe.

JMO

It's interesting when you follow a number of cases and get an understanding of the investigative techniques, wording in warrants and such and what they mean. (I'm actually following another case in Ohio right now. The hearing is January 6th. I might actually get a chance to show up for that one!)

I can guess from the wording in the warrants and the focus of additional warrants that the keys are not an issue. IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Not if it was inside the garage. LE are the ones that are confused about the keys. They say as much in the warrant. MF tell them she walked in an as a stated practice laid her keys on the counter. Later in photos LE couldn't identify the keys on MY's hood so they asked around. MF identified them as hers. So if the keys MF laid on the counter were MY's then MF must have been driving MY's car. Makes perfect sense to me.



Me too, you can't get around the keys, and it sounds like L E is trying to bring this out now, rather than later, maybe damage control.??

But, like you said, MF did not know anything was wrong when she
first got there, listen to the 911 call, she is still questioning the
"fall", and making other comments that are irrevelant and unnecessary.

So, she would have no reason to be panicky and forgot where she left her keys in the beginning..she didn't know anything was wrong, right?

Something else I noticed is, it sure took L E a long time to get around to get certain things done.

Someone should have noticed some of these things earlier.

I hope it is not too late now.

Kat

[5swab5]

Of course, she is a witness, she found the body, made the call, but what if the rumors are true that she made other calls before the
911 one?

Why would she do that?

Kat


Here's a better question.

WHAT IF, certain people have lied about the timing?

What IF, while Meredith was waiting for the first responders and Police to arrive and taking care of Cassidy...she called their mother.

SO WHAT!

Funny that THE one that can't, couldn't and won't stay off the phone, wouldn't answer a desperate phone call from his MIL. AND HUNG UP on LE while on his way back to Wake County. Nah, nothing suspicious about that.

MOO

[JHP]

It's interesting when you follow a number of cases and get an understanding of the investigative techniques, wording in warrants and such and what they mean. (I'm actually following another case in Ohio right now. The hearing is January 6th. I might actually get a chance to show up for that one!)

I can guess from the wording in the warrants and the focus of additional warrants that the keys are not an issue. IMO

I know, (my family thinks I need to write conspiricy theory books). But you do learn alot.

Meredith would have been arrested by now if it was the keys.

I hope you get to go to your hearing. How interesting.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

I'm glad it makes sense to you but it makes no sense to me
are you saying Meredith parked her Honda in the garage(wasnt there the lexus and a boat in there) ? Takes Michelles keys to drive the Lexus but drives around with her own (Meredith's keys) on the hood of the car without them falling off and then returns and puts Michelles keys back in the kitchen? That makes sense to you???:huh:


That is not what was said.

A car could have been parked at the street, or someone dropped off,

and someone needed a way out, and took Michelle's car, maybe even

with C.

Maybe someone took C out of the house in the middle of the murder, to protect her.

No one said anything about a car being driven around with keys on it.

And I think we will start to see more evidence about
at least 2 people involved.

JMO


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I think you are right. I think she backed her car out of the garage then pulled MY's in now there are 2 sets of keys. I think this is when she mixed them up. She gets the child out of the seat and forgets those are MY's keys in her hand .

Wow,

Kat

[Barbara2]

I know, (my family thinks I need to write conspiricy theory books). But you do learn alot.

Meredith would have been arrested by now if it was the keys.

I hope you get to go to your hearing. How interesting.

JMO

It's not as high profile as this one. I would love to hear how the public defender tries to explain away the evidence though. Will be interesting.

They have known all of this evidence that came out today for over a year. And yet the recent warrants still focus on JY. As someone else said either here or at another site, you can't focus on one individual little piece. You have to look at the big picture. IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Here's a better question.

WHAT IF, certain people have lied about the timing?

What IF, while Meredith was waiting for the first responders and Police to arrive and taking care of Cassidy...she called their mother.

SO WHAT!

Funny that THE one that can't, couldn't and won't stay off the phone, wouldn't answer a desperate phone call from his MIL. AND HUNG UP on LE while on his way back to Wake County. Nah, nothing suspicious about that.

MOO



I am talking PRIOR to the 911 call, that someone posted here.

And, if someone was screaming and yelling at me to get back to Raleigh,and I was on my way, I would probaly hang up on them too.

Could have been a lost connection too. Someone else could have grabbed the phone away from him, for all we know.

But, the big thing, Swab, huge in fact, is that Jason did return that nite and in his car..........the so called murder vehicle.

Didn't try to stall, didn't try to run, didn't try to hide, no consciousness of guilt.

How about that?

Kat

[5swab5]

I'm glad it makes sense to you but it makes no sense to me
are you saying Meredith parked her Honda in the garage(wasnt there the lexus and a boat in there) ? Takes Michelles keys to drive the Lexus but drives around with her own (Meredith's keys) on the hood of the car without them falling off and then returns and puts Michelles keys back in the kitchen? That makes sense to you???:huh:

Thanks for trying, I am confused too.

Pretzel Logic has never been my forte.

MOO

[Barbara2]

I am talking PRIOR to the 911 call, that someone posted here.

And, if someone was screaming and yelling at me to get back to Raleigh,and I was on my way, I would probaly hang up on them too.

Could have been a lost connection too. Someone else could have grabbed the phone away from him, for all we know.

But, the big thing, Swab, huge in fact, is that Jason did return that nite and in his car..........the so called murder vehicle.

How about that?

Kat

The car was used to transport him from the home to Virginia. How is it a "murder vehicle"? :shrug:

[Kat4Eagles]

It's not as high profile as this one. I would love to hear how the public defender tries to explain away the evidence though. Will be interesting.

They have known all of this evidence that came out today for over a year. And yet the recent warrants still focus on JY. As someone else said either here or at another site, you can't focus on one individual little piece. You have to look at the big picture. IMO


This is not that high profiled of a case.

Only in NC is this case being followed closely, and sometimes not even that much.

We went months without hearing anything.
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

The car was used to transport him from the home to Virginia. How is it a "murder vehicle"? :shrug:



The car he had to drive after he killed Michelle, right?

The car that was seized because of so~called blood spots?

Maybe you are mixing cases up?

Kat

[JHP]

It's not as high profile as this one. I would love to hear how the public defender tries to explain away the evidence though. Will be interesting.

They have known all of this evidence that came out today for over a year. And yet the recent warrants still focus on JY. As someone else said either here or at another site, you can't focus on one individual little piece. You have to look at the big picture. IMO


Even if you took each individual piece and wrote them down Under Meredith maybe 3 Jason maybe 106. Then you look at the fact that Meredith has spoken with LE. Jason um not so much.

Meredith would have been arrested long before now.

JMO

[Barbara2]

This is not that high profiled of a case.

Only in NC is this case being followed closely, and sometimes not even that much.

We went months without hearing anything.
Kat

There are a number of people here who are still following the case after two years and the majority probably do not live in NC. The case in Ohio that I'm following is probably only of interest to the accused, the family and maybe a few others. Definitely not comparable to the Young case. That was my point.

[Barbara2]

The car he had to drive after he killed Michelle, right?
The car that was seized because of so~called blood spots?
Maybe you are mixing cases up?

Kat

It still wasn't used to murder someone. I don't think that anyone believes that he drove into the house and ran her over, do they??

[MerriMent]

It's not as high profile as this one. I would love to hear how the public defender tries to explain away the evidence though. Will be interesting.

They have known all of this evidence that came out today for over a year. And yet the recent warrants still focus on JY. As someone else said either here or at another site, you can't focus on one individual little piece. You have to look at the big picture. IMO

They have not only known about all this that came out today, a Judge sealed it. The sealed search warrants focus on inconsistent statements made by Meredith Fisher about car keys, where she found CY and the fact she said CY had no blood on her feet, bloody footprints in the bath and communication Jason had with witnesses. I'm surprised you're still having such a difficult time connecting the dots.

[JHP]

The car he had to drive after he killed Michelle, right?

The car that was seized because of so~called blood spots?

Maybe you are mixing cases up?

Kat

Jason had plenty of time to make sure the car was spotless. It would have been very suspicious if he had left his car in Brevard. Also LE might have gone to his parents house to get the car. Maybe he left something at Mom's :shrug: and he didn't want LE going there.

Although I'm surprised they didn't.

JMO

[Barbara2]

They have not only known about all this that came out today, a Judge sealed it. The sealed search warrants focus on inconsistent statements made by Meredith Fisher about car keys, where she found CY and the fact she said CY had no blood on her feet, bloody footprints in the bath and communication Jason had with witnesses. I'm surprised you're still having such a difficult time connecting the dots.

Not me. I'm having no difficulties with any of this. Maybe because I'm looking at evidence and not dots! :wink:

[MerriMent]

Even if you took each individual piece and wrote them down Under Meredith maybe 3 Jason maybe 106. Then you look at the fact that Meredith has spoken with LE. Jason um not so much.

Meredith would have been arrested long before now.

JMO

Meredith did speak with LE and made inconsistent statements. You think this helps Meredith? I don't.

[MerriMent]

Not me. I'm having no difficulties with any of this. Maybe because I'm looking at evidence and not dots! :wink:

Inconsistent statements to police in a search warrant that a Judge sealed is evidence you're selectively ignoring.

[JHP]

Meredith did speak with LE and made inconsistent statements. You think this helps Meredith? I don't.

Jason didn't give a carp about speaking with LE. And he hung up on them. You think this helps Jason? I don't.

JMO

[alter ego]

Read again
After the murder
Dec 2007 to Jan 2008I suggest you do the same, particularly the part about Jason having contact with a 'witness' in June after not being in contact with that person since the day Michelle's body was found.

[Barbara2]

Inconsistent statements to police in a search warrant that a Judge sealed is evidence you're selectively ignoring.

You think because she forgot where she put her keys that is equivalent to an inconsistent statement? I think you are going to be sorely disappointed when you find out that it's no big deal.

[MerriMent]

Jason had plenty of time to make sure the car was spotless. It would have been very suspicious if he had left his car in Brevard. Also LE might have gone to his parents house to get the car. Maybe he left something at Mom's :shrug: and he didn't want LE going there.

Although I'm surprised they didn't.

JMO

FYI: Jason's car wasn't spotless. LE noticed the suspicious spots when Jason's car returned to Raleigh. They obtained a search warrant and seized it.

[alter ego]

Jason didn't give a carp about speaking with LE. And he hung up on them. You think this helps Jason? I don't.

JMOActually it doesn't help LE. And since invocation of rights is not evidence of anything, it certainly doesn't hurt him.

[MerriMent]

You think because she forgot where she put her keys that is equivalent to an inconsistent statement? I think you are going to be sorely disappointed when you find out that it's no big deal.

She couldn't keep her lies straight. Truth isn't "forgotten." If it was no "big deal" the search warrant would not have been sealed by a Judge.

[alter ego]

I don't have a link yet.:biggrinjester:

But, per the latest SWs Jason didn't exactly follow his Attorney's advice.

Jason has been running his mouth from day ONE! It will bite him in the end. NO WAY Jason can remember which story he told to which friend in his feeble attempt via texts/emails/PMs/IMs to find out what they knew or were questioned about by LE.

MOO

Not to mention the plethora of phone calls.

Michelle & Rylan are one day closer to justice.LE has had info from one Yahoo! account since Dec '07.

[Barbara2]

She couldn't keep her lies straight. Truth isn't "forgotten." If it was no "big deal" the search warrant would not have been sealed by a Judge.

Where a person lays their keys is not exactly something that is burned into memory. I think it's fairly common for many people to have to search for their keys. I don't see that as some bombshell "inconsistent statement".

[5swab5]

They have not only known about all this that came out today, a Judge sealed it. The sealed search warrants focus on inconsistent statements made by Meredith Fisher about car keys, where she found CY and the fact she said CY had no blood on her feet, bloody footprints in the bath and communication Jason had with witnesses. I'm surprised you're still having such a difficult time connecting the dots.

GMAB!hammer

So they are now taking yet another dive into Jason's internet/phone/computer usage/Ims/PMs/texts/ shenanigans?

All in the guise of nailing Meredith.

RIGHT!

MOO

[Barbara2]

Well it was put in the warrant for some reason. Wonder who they are trying to send a message to JY or MF.


Very possibly JY. I wonder if they found the driver's seat in the SUV in a position required for a taller person. (I really don't think they included EVERYTHING that they know in those warrants.)

[MerriMent]

I suggest you do the same, particularly the part about Jason having contact with a 'witness' in June after not being in contact with that person since the day Michelle's body was found.

That's confusing. Who do you think that is?

[MerriMent]

Where a person lays their keys is not exactly something that is burned into memory. I think it's fairly common for many people to have to search for their keys. I don't see that as some bombshell "inconsistent statement".

Who said she searched for her keys? She told LE she put them where she always placed them. LE proved otherwise. Very damning evidence.

[alter ego]

I just saw a theory on FP that is the most reasonable with regards to the keys that I have seen (unless you guys can come up with something better that isn't a stretch)...

The poster asked where the dog was, as it has never been revealed. They theorized that when MF opened the door to the kitchen the dog greeted her there (you know how dogs like to jump on you a little) and she set her keys on the Lexus when this occurred. She didn mention in the 911 call that the dog was freaking out when she got there.

That goes back to her just being confused in all of the commotion. Not to mention, if she saw a set of keys laying on the counter later she could have just assumed they were her's. Many keys/group of keys look alike at a glance (and especially when someone is in possible shock).Well gosh if that were the case, she would have told LE about the dog causing her to put her keys on the hood of her sister's SUV instead of telling them she entered the kitchen and put her keys on the counter per her usual routine.

[MerriMent]

GMAB!hammer

So they are now taking yet another dive into Jason's internet/phone/computer usage/Ims/PMs/texts/ shenanigans?

All in the guise of nailing Meredith.

RIGHT!

MOO

Absolutely RIGHT! Glad we at least agree on that.

:thumbsup:

[alter ego]

That's confusing. Who do you think that is?
Sounds like it's Meredith.

[Lindsey]

I'm way back here trying to catch up but wanted to post this thought before it leaves me.

If CY's bathroom was the only place 'little bloody footprints' were found, according to the search warrant, why was MF talking about them in her 911 call? Did she go in CY's bathroom before she went into the master bedroom? If so, why?

Please disregard if this has already been discussed.

Back to reading ....

[Kat4Eagles]

Jason had plenty of time to make sure the car was spotless. It would have been very suspicious if he had left his car in Brevard. Also LE might have gone to his parents house to get the car. Maybe he left something at Mom's :shrug: and he didn't want LE going there.

Although I'm surprised they didn't.

JMO

Jason would have had the most perfectly legitimate excuse not to bring his car back to Raleigh.

He was distraught after learning his wife was dead, and wouldn't very well be expected to drive, right?

So,he could have arrived in a family member's car, right?

But, he didn't.......

He came back,in his car, faced the music, went to the wake, funeral, complied with the DNA testing, stayed around in Raleigh, even went to Michelle's grave...

None of these are signs of guilt....just the opposite.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

FYI: Jason's car wasn't spotless. LE noticed the suspicious spots when Jason's car returned to Raleigh. They obtained a search warrant and seized it.

Yep, they did!!

Kat

[5swab5]

I'm surprised Wake county didn't try and notify JY of his wife's death. I,m surprised that when they talked to him on the phone they didn't extend their sympathy. I'm surprised we JY got back to Raleigh and LE was their they didn't extend their sympathy. A lot of things surprise me about this case not just that Jason could have left something at his Mom's house. that would be very low on my list.

What was LE supposed to say?

Please ask about your daughter?
Don't you want to know What happened?
Are you not even concerned about Rylan?
What do YOU think you can do to help?

Instead they got...Talk to my lawyer (((CLICK)))

MOO

How about:
I am sorry YOU KILLED your wife? Is there ANYTHING, anything at all, we can do to make this transition easier for you?

[Kat4Eagles]

I'm way back here trying to catch up but wanted to post this thought before it leaves me.

If CY's bathroom was the only place 'little bloody footprints' were found, according to the search warrant, why was MF talking about them in her 911 call? Did she go in CY's bathroom before she went into the master bedroom? If so, why?

Please disregard if this has already been discussed.

Back to reading ....


Hi Lin............!!

If she finds C in bed first, then Michelle, I don't know.

One of the things that always bothered me was not checking the entire
house out .

I still do not know to this day how she knew she and C were safe.

Kat

[5swab5]

complied with the DNA testing, Kat

snipped

Why would an innocent husband have to be compelled to submit DNA testing in the event of his wife and son's murder?

Methinks, he should have been in the front of the line.

MOO

Unless of course, he thought those pesky blisters would heal while he waited 5 extra days?

[alter ego]

Where a person lays their keys is not exactly something that is burned into memory. I think it's fairly common for many people to have to search for their keys. I don't see that as some bombshell "inconsistent statement".
Well LE sure thought it was odd that Meredith told them she put her keys on the kitchen counter. But the keys on the counter turned out to be Michelle's and Meredith's keys some how ended up on the hood of Michelle's SUV.

And on top of that, LE theorized Michelle's SUV was used to remove Cassidy from the home.

And then there is the question of where Cassidy was when Meredith got there - walking around or in bed under the sheet.

[alter ego]

How many times are you going to post the same thing Kit instead of a link?

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4081439/

This surprises me as this case isn't even on the docket (http://www1.aoc.state.nc.us/www/calendars.Criminal.do?county=910&court=BTH&defendant=young%2Cj&start=0&navindex=0&submit=Submit+Query).

[Lindsey]

Judge rules Jason Young "slayer" in death of his wife


Posted: Today at 9:36 a.m.
Updated: 1 minute ago

Posted where this morning at 9:36 AM ?

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4081439/

[MerriMent]

Well gosh if that were the case, she would have told LE about the dog causing her to put her keys on the hood of her sister's SUV instead of telling them she entered the kitchen and put her keys on the counter per her usual routine.

Yep. No mention of Mr. G. in the search warrants. Instead, LE is wondering how CY managed to make it down that hallway in bloody socks without leaving a trail, managed to take off the socks in the bathroom, thoroughly cleaned her feet, leaped over the bloody prints on the floor and crawled into bed rather than go over to her mother.

[Samiya]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4081439/

Thank you Judge Stephens!

Sami

[alter ego]

Judge rules Jason Young "slayer" in death of his wife


Posted: Today at 9:36 a.m.
Updated: 1 minute ago

Posted where this morning at 9:36 AM ?

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4081439/

it's not even on the superior court docket :shrug:

[alter ego]

I'm way back here trying to catch up but wanted to post this thought before it leaves me.

If CY's bathroom was the only place 'little bloody footprints' were found, according to the search warrant, why was MF talking about them in her 911 call? Did she go in CY's bathroom before she went into the master bedroom? If so, why?

Please disregard if this has already been discussed.

Back to reading ....yeah, she said little footprints in blood were all over the house.

[MerriMent]

it's not even on the superior court docket :shrug:

This is weird. Is that all he ruled? No damages? No putting Fisher in control of the life insurance?

[alter ego]

"This document says he murdered his wife," Paul Michaels, an attorney for Fisher said Friday.

:thumbsup:



http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4081439/
Also from your link:

Michelle Young murder case remains unsolved

[5swab5]

A judge ruled Jason Young "willfully and unlawfully killed" his wife, Michelle, in proceedings in a wrongful death suit.

BREAKING NEWS

Thank You Kit!

'Bout time!

MOO

[alter ego]

This is weird. Is that all he ruled? No damages? No putting Fisher in control of the life insurance?The docs aren't posted.

It is weird.


Also from the link:

The judgment says, "Investigator Spivey is of the opinion that Jason Young murdered Michelle Young on Nov. 3, 2006."

So much for unbiased investigating, huh.

wow.

[alter ego]

I can post what I want, you don't tell me what to post.


No, there are rules here on what you can post.

Where is the link to Meredith taking and passing a poly?

[JHP]

I can post what I want, you don't tell me what to post.


The judgment accepts Fisher's allegation that "Jason Young brutally murdered Michelle Young at their residence" as a fact

:thumbsup:Thank you Kit! This is wonderful news for Mrs. Fisher. Now I hope she can get custody of Cassidy.

JMO

[alter ego]

Info I am privy to...don't like it, don't have to believe it :thumbup:OIC.

Spreading unfounded rumors. :thumbdown:

And no, I don't believe it.

buhbye now.

[MerriMent]

The docs aren't posted.

It is weird.


Also from the link:

The judgment says, "Investigator Spivey is of the opinion that Jason Young murdered Michelle Young on Nov. 3, 2006."

So much for unbiased investigating, huh.

wow.


If all the Judge ruled is that Jason can't collect the life insurance, then won't the insurance company just pay it out to the next beneficiary, minor child Cassidy and it will bypass probate?

[5swab5]

He went to all the picnics and was a big friend of MF's. He is shown in a lot of photo's with them. Won't look good at the appeal. IMOO

HUH?
You are saying that the very same LE officers that are trying to solve a brutal double murder are precluded from attending a celebration of their lives? Compassion for murder victim's relatives OUGHT to be a "given"..in the free world...

IF that is all they have, BRING it on! It will look VERY good on appeal, after Jason Lynn Young has spent about 15 years behind bars.

MOO

[annalyzer]

No, there are rules here on what you can post.

Where is the link to Meredith taking and passing a poly?

omg another rumor? I thought someone had posted a link? No?

[alter ego]

If all the Judge ruled is that Jason can't collect the life insurance, then won't the insurance company just pay it out to the next beneficiary, minor child Cassidy and it will bypass probate?
It would be paid out as if Jason preceeded Michelle in death. If Jason was the sole beneficiary, then it will be paid to Michelle's estate.

I'm curious how the judge determined the compensatory and punitive damages prayed for.

[alter ego]

omg another rumor? I thought someone had posted a link? No?


No.

This is a HUGE news day, eh?

wows all over the place.

[Kat4Eagles]

OIC.

Spreading unfounded rumors. :thumbdown:

And no, I don't believe it.

buhbye now.




I don't understand it, but I can accept it.

My heart breaks for C though, and for Kim and Heather and Pat.

The Youngs are a lovely family and did not deserve the abuse
they have taken.

I am so sorry for them.

Nothing will still bring Michelle back though.....but, this is sad.

I wish there had been another ending.
Kat

[annalyzer]

Who cares what MF said or didn't say in 2006 :confused:

She took and passed a polygraph and was cleared long ago




Where did you read she had took and passed a poly? Link please.

[alter ego]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/document/4088144/

No damages were awarded, just Jason being barred from getting the LI proceeds.

[BiggerRedDog]

I don't understand it, but I can accept it.
My heart breaks for C though, and for Kim and Heather and Pat.
The Youngs are a lovely family and did not deserve the abuse
they have taken.
I am so sorry for them.
Nothing will still bring Michelle back though.....but, this is sad.
I wish there had been another ending.
Kat
You are right, Kat. Nobody, Youngs or Fishers, deserved the abuse Jason heaped upon them. Especially Michelle and Rylan. May they RIP.

A judge's ruling in the WD suit was certainly not the news I expected to see today. But I'm glad it's happened.

[annalyzer]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/document/4088144/


It was expected since he didn't show.

Why hasn't he been arrested for the murder of Michelle is the question.

[jerry50]

It will be appealed especially in light of what we have seen today.


If it going to be appealed JY will have to talk and say why it is not true. If he wanted to do that he would have responded to the WDS on Tues.
What does what we have seen today have to do with it? Det Spivey already knew what was in the search warrants when he wrote the statement to the judge stating that he believed JY was the killer.

[Kat4Eagles]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/document/4088144/




Thank you, AE..

I have never posted with more intelligent people than you, Merri and Lin !!

You guys really know the law, and answered all my questions.

And, Confused, you are not so confused after all!!

And Card and Anna, have been 2 of the most fairest posters here from the positions on and off the fence.
:beer:
Kat

[JHP]

It was expected since he didn't show.

Why hasn't he been arrested for the murder of Michelle is the question.

Exactly annalyzer. I think the DA should either step-up or step-down.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Where did you read she had took and passed a poly? Link please.


There is no link to anyone passing or not passing a polygraph.

Kat

[annalyzer]

Sorry if you are offended that Jason Young was ruled by a Judge to be a killer .

You sound disappointed.

Did you have someone else in mind :tonguewag:


The ruling did not say that he solely was responsible.

There could still be an accomplice. Something is keeping LE from making an arrest.

[jerry50]

I don't understand it, but I can accept it.

My heart breaks for C though, and for Kim and Heather and Pat.

The Youngs are a lovely family and did not deserve the abuse
they have taken.

I am so sorry for them.

Nothing will still bring Michelle back though.....but, this is sad.

I wish there had been another ending.
Kat

What about the Fisher's? They have been accused of everything including dipping a child's socks in her Mother's drying blood.

Has everyone seen this story on the internet:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18171461/detail.html

This may be in Colorado but it does show posters that they need to be mindful of their accusations and some of the ones made against Linda and Meredith were dispicable. In light of today's ruling I hope you can see that they are innocent victims of a man's desire to kill rather than ask for a divorce.

[alter ego]

It was expected since he didn't show.

Why hasn't he been arrested for the murder of Michelle is the question.
I can't answer that, however, since LE is going after what Jason has said since the murder, that indicates to me that they can't prove their case and are hoping he incriminated himself electronically.

[annalyzer]

I'm way back here trying to catch up but wanted to post this thought before it leaves me.

If CY's bathroom was the only place 'little bloody footprints' were found, according to the search warrant, why was MF talking about them in her 911 call? Did she go in CY's bathroom before she went into the master bedroom? If so, why?

Please disregard if this has already been discussed.

Back to reading ....


Good question. I"ll have to read back and see if anyone answered you.

[Kat4Eagles]

What about the Fisher's? They have been accused of everything including dipping a child's socks in her Mother's drying blood.

Has everyone seen this story on the internet:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18171461/detail.html

This may be in Colorado but it does show posters that they need to be mindful of their accusations and some of the ones made against Linda and Meredith were dispicable. In light of today's ruling I hope you can see that they are innocent victims of a man's desire to kill rather than ask for a divorce.


Anyone who tried to defend Jason here has also had to endure that.
That wasn't right, because we asked or needed more proof.

Kat

[Cardinal]

I can't answer that, however, since LE is going after what Jason has said since the murder, that indicates to me that they can't prove their case and are hoping he incriminated himself electronically.

I'm not sure the DA couldn't prove his case, AE, but I do agree that they're hoping Jason incriminated himself electronically.

On another matter, Detective Spivey's belief, as documented in the judge's ruling, that Jason killed Michelle would seem to indicate he doesn't much care about keys.

JMO

[Leanne Weich]

I don't understand it, but I can accept it.

My heart breaks for C though, and for Kim and Heather and Pat.

The Youngs are a lovely family and did not deserve the abuse
they have taken.

I am so sorry for them.

Nothing will still bring Michelle back though.....but, this is sad.

I wish there had been another ending.
Kat

So do I Kat. I also wish people would have been a little kinder to Linda and Meredith.

[alter ego]

What about the Fisher's? They have been accused of everything including dipping a child's socks in her Mother's drying blood.

Has everyone seen this story on the internet:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18171461/detail.html

This may be in Colorado but it does show posters that they need to be mindful of their accusations and some of the ones made against Linda and Meredith were dispicable. In light of today's ruling I hope you can see that they are innocent victims of a man's desire to kill rather than ask for a divorce.
The same warning should be heeded by those that post smack about Jason's family.

[Cardinal]

The same warning should be heeded by those that post smack about Jason's family.

I think everyone should take note of this case, AE. Especially now, when there seems to be an abundance of evidence and events to discuss, in lieu of denigrating the families of the principals in this case.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

I'm not sure the DA couldn't prove his case, AE, but I do agree that they're hoping Jason incriminated himself electronically.

On another matter, Detective Spivey's belief, as documented in the judge's ruling, that Jason killed Michelle would seem to indicate he doesn't much care about keys.

JMO

In light of what has happened, they were probably trying to clean up

the only sister's original account of the key placement to the new

revelation she had later.

Still things do not add up, and the 911 call will always remain strange, and L E still needs more proof than what they have, I don't know
how strong a case this will end up being.

But, they accomplished their civil suit, congrats to them on that.

:)
Kat

[alter ego]

I'm not sure the DA couldn't prove his case, AE, but I do agree that they're hoping Jason incriminated himself electronically.

On another matter, Detective Spivey's belief, as documented in the judge's ruling, that Jason killed Michelle would seem to indicate he doesn't much care about keys.

JMO
Spivey isn't the only investigator on this case.

Someone cared enough about them to pound out an affidavit to search Michelle's SUV for blood evidence 7 months after the murder.

[Cardinal]

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4088144/32274-20081205174636577.pdf

I'm posting this link again, simply because I cannot believe that Jason declined to respond at all to the WDS. Did he not understand this would happen? :confused:

[Leanne Weich]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/document/4088144/

No damages were awarded, just Jason being barred from getting the LI proceeds.

Cannot inherit from Michelle's estate either. I guess, if he made any money on the Enchanted Oaks property, he'll have to pay half over to the Estate. So, the law in NC is not that different to here. It did turn out the way I envisioned it would. I'm sad for the Youngs but very happy for Linda and Meredith. This is one step closer to victory for them, imo.

[annalyzer]

I'm not sure the DA couldn't prove his case, AE, but I do agree that they're hoping Jason incriminated himself electronically.

On another matter, Detective Spivey's belief, as documented in the judge's ruling, that Jason killed Michelle would seem to indicate he doesn't much care about keys.

JMO


Who do you think the sw is indicating took the child out of the home?

[Cardinal]

In light of what has happened, they were probably trying to clean up

the only sister's original account of the key placement to the new

revelation she had later.

Still things do not add up, and the 911 call will always remain strange, and L E still needs more proof than what they have, I don't know
how strong a case this will end up being.

But, they accomplished their civil suit, congrats to them on that.

:)
Kat


I've read the SW for Michelle's SUV a couple of times now, and I still don't see where it says that Meredith specified where she left her keys prior to identifying them in the photo.

Could someone please point it out to me?

[Kat4Eagles]

So do I Kat. I also wish people would have been a little kinder to Linda and Meredith.



I don't know what it was, do you think some people could just not relate to them?

I know my heart broke for Sharon Rocha.

I just don't know what it was, I know a lot of mean things were posted about them, their hair and weight, etc.

I know I was guilty of making comparisions between the sisters because they were so different.

But, you have to admit they were.

Kat

[alter ego]

Exactly annalyzer. I think the DA should either step-up or step-down.

JMOWilloughby has an excellent rep - he won't take a case to the GJ unless he thinks it's solid because he only gets one bite at the apple.

he was rumored to be on the short list as Obama's US Atty.
http://projects.newsobserver.com/tags/colon_willoughby

[annalyzer]

Now that Spivey has spoken, can they now officially say suspect

:thumbsup:

If it's not still an ongoing investigation since we know that they never name suspects in an ongoing investigation.

[Cardinal]

Who do you think the sw is indicating took the child out of the home?

I don't know, Anna. Maybe they were just exploring every possible avenue. As they should.

[annalyzer]

That was 7/07
if you think someone did, Spivey thinks it was Jason

Where would Jason take her? And then bring her back. And in a limited amt. of time.

[Kat4Eagles]

I've read the SW for Michelle's SUV a couple of times now, and I still don't see where it says that Meredith specified where she left her keys prior to identifying them in the photo.

Could someone please point it out to me?


It is there, Card, it is on this thread.

It was a previous s/w that was posted again today.

Kat

[Cardinal]

RS was notified and given the date of the hearing
They had no idea if he was still his attorney or not

Obviously RS told JY

Sounds like they are just saving $ and energy for the criminal trial that is coming sooner rather than later (Donnie's words)

I suppose. But I have a hard time imagining that Roger Smith didn't realize the implications of a failure to respond to the WDS. All he had to do was file a denial, and keep requesting continuances.

JMO

[Leanne Weich]

I don't know what it was, do you think some people could just not relate to them?

I know my heart broke for Sharon Rocha.

I just don't know what it was, I know a lot of mean things were posted about them, their hair and weight, etc.

I know I was guilty of making comparisions between the sisters because they were so different.

But, you have to admit they were.

Kat

They were very different. Maybe people couldn't relate to them like they did to Sharon because they pretty much stayed out of the media and let LE do their job.

[Kat4Eagles]

I suppose. But I have a hard time imagining that Roger Smith didn't realize the implications of a failure to respond to the WDS. All he had to do was file a denial, and keep requesting continuances.

JMO

Card, what you are looking for is Post 172 !!

Kat

[Cardinal]

It is there, Card, it is on this thread.

It was a previous s/w that was posted again today.

Kat

No, Kat, I've read the SW, and I just don't see it. What I read is this:

"In the photograph, a set of keys are clearly seen on the hood of the vehicle. When shown the photo, Meredith Fisher identified the keys as her keys. She followed this revelation by stating that the keys placed on the kitchen counter must be the decedent's keys."

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4083955/1228504020-20081205131306653.pdf

I don't see anything about where she stated the original location she left her keys. Where is it?

[5swab5]

I don't understand it, but I can accept it.

My heart breaks for C though, and for Kim and Heather and Pat.

The Youngs are a lovely family and did not deserve the abuse
they have taken.

I am so sorry for them.

Nothing will still bring Michelle back though.....but, this is sad.

I wish there had been another ending.
Kat


What a selective post.

What about Linda & Meredith?

Linda can't replace Michelle.

Meredith can't replace her sister either.

Jason can get a new wife & children, in FACT he has been CAUGHT on the net advertising for "same".

MOO

[alter ego]

I've read the SW for Michelle's SUV a couple of times now, and I still don't see where it says that Meredith specified where she left her keys prior to identifying them in the photo.

Could someone please point it out to me?On the 3rd page

"once inside the kitchen, she as is her stated practice, placed her keys on the kitchen counter"

[annalyzer]

Like I said, Spivey has spoken.




And when he spoke did he name Jason a suspect?

[Kat4Eagles]

No, Kat, I've read the SW, and I just don't see it. What I read is this:

"In the photograph, a set of keys are clearly seen on the hood of the vehicle. When shown the photo, Meredith Fisher identified the keys as her keys. She followed this revelation by stating that the keys placed on the kitchen counter must be the decedent's keys."

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4083955/1228504020-20081205131306653.pdf

I don't see anything about where she stated the original location she left her keys. Where is it?


Card, Post 172!!

Kat

[Cardinal]

Card, Post 172!!

Kat

Kat, I looked at that post, and it's a poster's theory. Where is it in the SW?

[Cardinal]

On the 3rd page

"once inside the kitchen, she as is her stated practice, placed her keys on the kitchen counter"

Thank you, AE. I appreciate it!

ETA: So because Meredith's keys turned about to be on the hood of Michelle's SUV rather than the kitchen counter, that is more evidence of murder than all of the PC about Jason in the other SWs? Wow.

[alter ego]

I suppose. But I have a hard time imagining that Roger Smith didn't realize the implications of a failure to respond to the WDS. All he had to do was file a denial, and keep requesting continuances.

JMOHe can't keep requesting continuances.

Now to see if there is an appeal.

[Kat4Eagles]

They were very different. Maybe people couldn't relate to them like they did to Sharon because they pretty much stayed out of the media and let LE do their job.



I guess, but it is very rare when you can not identity or sympathize
with someone that you know you should.

Like I said, I don't know what it was, but maybe someday we will find out..

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Kat, I looked at that post, and it's a poster's theory. Where is it in the SW?



Card, that is a link for the s/w where the only sister states her habit of what she does with her keys..

Come on, Card!!

Kat

[Cardinal]

Card, that is a link for the s/w where the only sister states her habit of what she does with her keys..

Come on, Card!!

Kat

I'm sorry, Kat, it has been a looong week! LOL Not to worry, AE pointed me to it - I just couldn't see it for some reason.

[Cardinal]

I guess, but it is very rare when you can not identity or sympathize
with someone that you know you should.

Like I said, I don't know what it was, but maybe someday we will find out..

Kat

Maybe somehow you were predispositioned not to empathize?

[Kat4Eagles]

I'm sorry, Kat, it has been a looong week! LOL Not to worry, AE pointed me to it - I just couldn't see it for some reason.



I was trying to help you,!!
:biggrin:

Well, we had enough news for the day, huh?

I hope some of the real insiders will come back now.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Maybe somehow you were predispositioned not to empathize?



No, I don't know what it was.

But, I just think that the Youngs are very good people.

Let's just say , for discussion sake, do you think there was something about the Fishers that would not allow them to have custody of C?

And, that is why they did not try?


Kat

[Cardinal]

I was trying to help you,!!
:biggrin:

Well, we had enough news for the day, huh?

I hope some of the real insiders will come back now.

Kat

I don't know, Kat. I think a lot of the "real insiders" got so frustrated and hurt they don't want anything to do with this board. Which is a shame. I think, in light of all these recent revelations, they could add a lot to the discussion.

But you're right - a lot of news today. I'll say again, I really think something is about to break in this case. I hope so, anyway.

[Cardinal]

No, I don't know what it was.

But, I just think that the Youngs are very good people.

Let's just say , for discussion sake, do you think there was something about the Fishers that would not allow them to have custody of C?

And, that is why they did not try?


Kat

Kat, I think the Fishers are no better or no worse than you or me - I wouldn't want my life put under a microscope. But I honestly can't imagine anything more terrible about the Fishers than about Jason, if he indeed killed Michelle.

JMO

[Hey Paula]

Willoughby has an excellent rep - he won't take a case to the GJ unless he thinks it's solid because he only gets one bite at the apple.

he was rumored to be on the short list as Obama's US Atty.
http://projects.newsobserver.com/tags/colon_willoughby

Hi AE and Everyone!

I didn't realize there was any activity in the case, so I haven't followed it for quite some time. When I read that JY didn't reply to the WDS, I was reminded of how Justin Barber's attempt to collect on his wife April's life insurance policy sealed his fate at the criminal trial. The Prosecution used that testimony to convict him in the criminal trial even though he never testified in his own defense.

I'm wondering if not arresting JY was planned?

Do you think LE/DA hoped JY would pursue collecting the proceeds from Michelle's policy, inasmuch as they considered it to be a primary motive in her murder, knowing he would have to be deposed and answer questions similar to those in a criminal trial and then use that testimony to help convict him just as the State of Florida did in Justin Barber's case?

It seems as though it's a win/win for the State because JY's guilt was apparent when he didn't reply to the WDS, just as it would have been, through his testimony had he replied and been deposed.

All along I felt the life insurance policy would be JY's undoing, whether he attempted to claim it, or failed to do so.

IMO

[jerry50]

Where would Jason take her? And then bring her back. And in a limited amt. of time.

He possibly gave her the Tylenol/whatever to try and get her sleepy. You know how kids seem to fall asleep whenever they are put in the carseat. Maybe if he did put her there he hoped she would sleep through the time that it took him to clean up. He may have told her that they were going for a ride.

Regarding Meredith's keys on the Lexus. Maybe Meredith picked them up as she was leaving the house when LE arrived and then when out to the garage with Cassidy or with some of Cassidy's toys or clothes and set them on the car while she talked to some of the LE officers. I cannot believe that she was able to think straight after all she had seen.

[alter ego]

Thank you, AE. I appreciate it!

ETA: So because Meredith's keys turned about to be on the hood of Michelle's SUV rather than the kitchen counter, that is more evidence of murder than all of the PC about Jason in the other SWs? Wow.
Well gosh Card, the probable cause says

"due to the situation with the child's bloodied footprints versus the clean condition of the child's feet when found; the confusion over the keys to the decendent's vehicle and how they came to be placed on the kitchen couter and Meredith Fisher's keys being found on the hood of the decendent's vehicle, it is believed that the 2000 silver Lexus RX300 could have been used to transport the child from the scene."

why would anyone except the killer take Cassidy from the home? how did Michelle's keys end up on the counter where Meredith always puts her keys? And how did Meredith's keys end up on the hood of Michelle's SUV?

And the newspaper delivery man said a light colored SUV was in a position that looked like someone was loading/unloading something in it in the early morning hours of 11/3.

That's a wow, yes indeed it is.

[Kat4Eagles]

I don't know, Kat. I think a lot of the "real insiders" got so frustrated and hurt they don't want anything to do with this board. Which is a shame. I think, in light of all these recent revelations, they could add a lot to the discussion.

But you're right - a lot of news today. I'll say again, I really think something is about to break in this case. I hope so, anyway.


Well, 25 months and 2 days later, you would think so.

I know many insiders left in disgust, when details of Michelle's autopsy report was posted.

That was too personal and insensitive for them to read of their friend that way.
:(

Kat

[Cardinal]

~snipped for space~

why would anyone except the killer take Cassidy from the home? how did Michelle's keys end up on the counter where Meredith always puts her keys? And how did Meredith's keys end up on the hood of Michelle's SUV?

And the newspaper delivery man said a light colored SUV was in a position that looked like someone was loading/unloading something in it in the early morning hours of 11/3.

That's a wow, yes indeed it is.

I don't think LE established that anyone took Cassidy from the home. It seems they found no evidence of it in Michelle's SUV. And for all we know, Michelle's keys were on the counter to begin with - maybe that was her practice as well. If both sets of keys were on the counter, Meredith could easily have picked up the wrong set by mistake, and put them on the hood of Michelle's car afterward. I don't see anything hugely significant about the keys, and apparently, neither did LE after investigating it.

And Michelle's was not the only light-colored SUV owned by an occupant of that home.



Thanks for opening the board, CW!

[Cardinal]

The latest article from WRAL:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4081439/

has a link to Spivey's affidavit:

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4088438/20081205190702957.pdf

"...in my opinion, the allegation in the Complaint that "in the early morning hours of November 3, 2006, Jason Young brutally murdered Michelle Young at their residence" is true."

Now that's a "wow" IMO.

[Doorbell]

The latest article from WRAL:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4081439/

has a link to Spivey's affidavit:

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4088438/20081205190702957.pdf

"...in my opinion, the allegation in the Complaint that "in the early morning hours of November 3, 2006, Jason Young brutally murdered Michelle Young at their residence" is true."

Now that's a "wow" IMO.

Let's hope the DA gets off his duff and proceeds with the criminal charges.

[Cardinal]

Let's hope the DA gets off his duff and proceeds with the criminal charges.

Willoughby is known for his caution, but I have to think he's feeling some pressure to make a move in light of the WDS judgment.

JMO

[daddydidit]

Maybe somehow you were predispositioned not to empathize?

Card, you always find the most tactful way of putting things.
I just thought she was shallow.

[alter ego]

The latest article from WRAL:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4081439/

has a link to Spivey's affidavit:

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4088438/20081205190702957.pdf

"...in my opinion, the allegation in the Complaint that "in the early morning hours of November 3, 2006, Jason Young brutally murdered Michelle Young at their residence" is true."

Now that's a "wow" IMO.
I agree. A WOW in the sense that an OPINION of an investigator is used by the court as evidence.

[alter ego]

Let's hope the DA gets off his duff and proceeds with the criminal charges.
Why would he proceed with charges in an ongoing investigation?

[alter ego]

I don't think LE established that anyone took Cassidy from the home. It seems they found no evidence of it in Michelle's SUV. And for all we know, Michelle's keys were on the counter to begin with - maybe that was her practice as well. If both sets of keys were on the counter, Meredith could easily have picked up the wrong set by mistake, and put them on the hood of Michelle's car afterward. I don't see anything hugely significant about the keys, and apparently, neither did LE after investigating it.

And Michelle's was not the only light-colored SUV owned by an occupant of that home.



Thanks for opening the board, CW!Dunno what they established as the results of their testing were not made public.

Exactly. So, which SUV did the newspaper delivery man see?

[annalyzer]

I don't think LE established that anyone took Cassidy from the home. It seems they found no evidence of it in Michelle's SUV. And for all we know, Michelle's keys were on the counter to begin with - maybe that was her practice as well. If both sets of keys were on the counter, Meredith could easily have picked up the wrong set by mistake, and put them on the hood of Michelle's car afterward. I don't see anything hugely significant about the keys, and apparently, neither did LE after investigating it.

And Michelle's was not the only light-colored SUV owned by an occupant of that home.



Thanks for opening the board, CW!


Did you see Lindsey's question yesterday about the little bloody footprints "all over the place"? If there were no little bloody footprints visible why did MF say that in the 911 call?

[Cardinal]

I agree. A WOW in the sense that an OPINION of an investigator is used by the court as evidence.

How is that unusual? Investigators, detectives, expert witnesses, etc. testify in court all the time based upon their knowledge and experience, and it's accepted as evidence.

[alter ego]

Why does it seem weird? LF never wanted the money ! She wanted to be sure that CY received the money. Done deal. CY will receive the money. All your diatribes to the contrary are moot. All your statements of "greed" on LF's part are "dust in the wind".JMO.If Jason was found guilty in a criminal trial it would have the same effect.

So it's not dust in the wind.

[Barbara2]

Dunno what they established as the results of their testing were not made public.

Exactly. So, which SUV did the newspaper delivery man see?

We know from the affadavit of Mr. Spivey that there is other evidence that has not been made public. I would guess that good investigative technique would involve showing the newspaper delivery person pictures of several light colored SUVs including a picture of Jason's and a picture of Michelle's and having the person identify the one that looked like the vehicle seen. They did state in the warrant that it was identified as being similar to Jason's. (I might have that wording wrong. I do not have the warrant opened right now.)

[alter ego]

How is that unusual? Investigators, detectives, expert witnesses, etc. testify in court all the time based upon their knowledge and experience, and it's accepted as evidence.They testify about facts. They don't testify that their opinion is that someone is guilty of a crime.

[Cardinal]

Dunno what they established as the results of their testing were not made public.

Exactly. So, which SUV did the newspaper delivery man see?

According to the 2/14 SW, one similar to an Explorer, not to a Lexus.

[Barbara2]

Did you see Lindsey's question yesterday about the little bloody footprints "all over the place"? If there were no little bloody footprints visible why did MF say that in the 911 call?

The hall bath that was described as Cassidy's bathroom was right across the hall from the master bedroom door. It's my understanding that there were footprints everywhere on that floor. If that is where Meredith was looking while she was standing outside the master bedroom door talking to the 911 operator, I can see how she would make that statement.

[Cardinal]

They testify about facts. They don't testify that their opinion is that someone is guilty of a crime.

I believe Spivey did that as well, and those facts are what the judge based his decision on. But they also testify as to their conclusions based on the evidence, do they not?

[alter ego]

We know from the affadavit of Mr. Spivey that there is other evidence that has not been made public. I would guess that good investigative technique would involve showing the newspaper delivery person pictures of several light colored SUVs including a picture of Jason's and a picture of Michelle's and having the person identify the one that looked like the vehicle seen. They did state in the warrant that it was identified as being similar to Jason's. (I might have that wording wrong. I do not have the warrant opened right now.)Right, he said it was similar.

Not exactly a positive ID.

Still scratching my head as to why all the lights in the house were on. And was the rear hatch open for the delivery person to think something was being loaded/unloaded?

[alter ego]

I believe Spivey did that as well, and those facts are what the judge based his decision on. But they also testify as to their conclusions based on the evidence, do they not?Depends on the conclusion.

They don't testify that someone is guilty tho.

[Barbara2]

Right, he said it was similar.

Not exactly a positive ID.

Still scratching my head as to why all the lights in the house were on. And was the rear hatch open for the delivery person to think something was being loaded/unloaded?

I'm not sure they could make a positive ID unless they had the license plate number or some defining characteristic like a bashed in fender or something. The information in the PC for the search warrant is to obtain the search warrant. I'm sure they know more than they are telling us and with what they know, the detective believes that Jason is the one responsible. That leads me to believe that it is more likely than not that he is guilty. If Jason has any evidence that shows this isn't true, he should let the investigators know that.

As for the lights on in the house, I have wondered how frantic the situation might have been that night if it was Jason who killed Michelle and Cassidy did wake up at some point and really complicate matters. I've wondered if Jason wouldn't run through the house trying to deal with the situation. Maybe the medicine was kept downstairs in the kitchen and he went down turning on lights as he went. I can see the possibility that he wouldn't have thought to turn them back off before he left. If it was him, his timeline got narrowed down considerably if he had to deal with the child. Obviously just some thoughts not based on evidence but it is one possibility. IMO

[alter ego]

According to the 2/14 SW, one similar to an Explorer, not to a Lexus.
The SW didn't say anything about a Lexus.

[annalyzer]

The latest article from WRAL:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4081439/

has a link to Spivey's affidavit:

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4088438/20081205190702957.pdf

"...in my opinion, the allegation in the Complaint that "in the early morning hours of November 3, 2006, Jason Young brutally murdered Michelle Young at their residence" is true."

Now that's a "wow" IMO.

There still is the possibility he had an accomplice. I wonder if that is what is holding up this investigation and arrest.

[Cardinal]

Depends on the conclusion.

They don't testify that someone is guilty tho.

Sure they do, AE. They testify all the time that, based upon their investigation and the evidence, they had reason to believe that the defendant committed the crime and took some kind of action as a result.

JMO

[Cardinal]

There still is the possibility he had an accomplice. I wonder if that is what is holding up this investigation and arrest.

I wonder the same thing, Anna. Maybe that's the reason they obtained the SWs for his electronic communications after the murder - maybe they're looking for communication with an accomplice.