Michelle Fisher Young murder: Dec. 5/08 >>

[Jester]

Jason delayed his photo shoot? His attorney was served with the order late in the afternoon and Jason went in the next morning. Doesn't sound like a great delay to me.

IMO

I don't remember the specifics, but for some reason I recall Jason's lawyer saying that Jason would come in to give DNA and be photographed. He didn't arrive, so a court order was obtained. I'd have to go back and review the early notes, but I recall something off about Jason providing DNA.

[JD1974]

There was nothing Linda could do. Now that Jason has been named Michelle's SLAYER, she has a chance at getting some type of custody.



Nancy Cooper's family recieved custody before Brad was even arrested, so apparently there are things you can do. That happened in NC also. Brad hadn't been named anything except a suspect and now he is sitting in jail waiting for a trail, they recieved custody months before that.

[5swab5]

It only takes 1-2-3 people to not get a guilty conviction either.
I would not be able to convict Jason yet..

Kat

Unlike participating on a message board, when serving as a juror, one is duty bound to weigh all the evidence and deliberate with a clear and concise head.

Not wandering off willy-nilly into the night with ludicrous, implausible, unfounded "pipe dreams" in the hopes of finding reasonable doubt.

After all, a trial is not about contorting the evidence to let a double murderer "off", but finding the truth and dispensing justice.

MOO

[5swab5]

(snipped)Maybe he borrowed dress shoes for the funeral.

And, they were two sizes too small.!!

Kat

Maybe while all that borrowing was going on, he should have found something appropriate for his mother to wear to the funeral of her DIL and grandson.

MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

Meredith was only stopping by to pick up a piece of paper so I don't see a problem with her leaving her purse in the car and just taking the keys so she could run in and out.


Ahhh, but that is where you could be wrong !!

You don't think the keys are a problem , but apparently they needed to be addressed in the search warrant !!!

Why is that?
Why the need for a revelation to come later of where they were?

Why is that important?

Why has L E suddenly released info that they think Michelle's car may have been used?

What leads them to that?

And, why the need to make that charge now?
Kat

ETA.

Unless someone saw Michelle's car in the neighborhood??????

[Kat4Eagles]

She may have had them in her hand and put them on the car to use both hands to open the garage door.

I see no problem either.

All I see is another attempt to bash Cassidy's Aunt.


Nope, not true.

If Michelle had a brother that was sent there, I would be looking just as closely at C's uncle.

:)
Kat

[JD1974]

She is mostly in the care of Pat and Jason's sister. There was a lot of concern, but legally, until he is named a suspect, very little anyone could do.

I would imagine after yesterday's news, child services have been contacted and Linda may be taking steps toward a custody change. Jason Young is now considered a murderer. Cassidy needs to be protected.


Legally anyone can call CPS, do you think they only take away children whose parents may have murdered someone, or do you think they may just take a child who is in danger. I honestly don't believe anyone thinks Jason is a danger to Cassidy and that's why no one has tried to get custody away from him. Jason is considered a murderer in civil court, there is a huge difference there. He has not even been arrested for a crime, you can lose a civil case and still keep custody of your children...just ask OJ.

[Lindsey]

I don't remember the specifics, but for some reason I recall Jason's lawyer saying that Jason would come in to give DNA and be photographed. He didn't arrive, so a court order was obtained. I'd have to go back and review the early notes, but I recall something off about Jason providing DNA.

I remember several ppl posting back then that the NTIO was SOP. They didn't have to get a court order but they did anyway.

The order was signed by the judge and served to Mr Smith late in the afternoon for Jason to appear at 7:00 (?). I don't know why he couldn't contact Jason to go in that night but he went the next morning. I have a hard copy here somewhere but no time to look for it now.

[JD1974]

Jason was not guilty of any crime until Friday. Linda would have had no legal ground. Taking a child from the biological parent is not an easy task. Now that he has been found guilty in the civil suit, she has leverage.



Jason has still not been found guilty of a crime. Civil and criminal trials are totally different, they have different standards of evidence in them.

[Kat4Eagles]

Why would he need to borrow dress shoes?

He had clothes for a business meeting with him, so he obviously had dress shoes with him.

According to his mom, he was wearing his dress shoes from the business meeting when he arrived at her house, and the only change of clothes he made was to put on a sweater that she gave him.

You also bring up an interesting point in acknowledging that the blisters could have come from shoes that "were two sizes too small".


Yes, but the shoes he was wearing that gave him blisters had to be worn for awhile, not just a few moments !!

If you just put on a pair of shoes to make prints, no blisters!!

These had to be worn for a period of time!!

:banging head on keyboard: icon: requested

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Maybe while all that borrowing was going on, he should have found something appropriate for his mother to wear to the funeral of her DIL and grandson.

MOO

:no:

Not nice.

What did the Fishers wear?

Pics?

Kat

[JHP]

Ahhh, but that is where you could be wrong !!

You don't think the keys are a problem , but apparently they needed to be addressed in the search warrant !!!

Why is that?
Why the need for a revelation to come later of where they were?

Why is that important?

Why has L E suddenly released info that they think Michelle's car may have been used?

What leads them to that?

And, why the need to make that charge now?
Kat

Um I think this S/W was over a year old wasn't it? I think it's a good thing that LE did check everything out.

You Know, Meredith had no problem talking to LE, probably lots of times.
I think that since Det. Spivey testifyed he thought JASON was the responsible in Michelles death, in a lawsuit brought up by Merediths mother, we can be pretty sure Meredith was ruled out.
I'm thinking LE would have found a way around this lawsuit is they thought Meredith was in any way involved.

JMO

[JD1974]

I'm saying that I don't see any grounds for removing a child from a father's custody if that father has no record of abuse, has not been named a suspect in the murder, and has sought assistance from family members with the care of the child. On what grounds would Jason have lost custody of Cassidy?

Even now, with Jason labeled Michelle's slayer, it's unlikely that Michelle's mother and sister could gain custody of Cassidy. Jason could transfer custody or guardianship of Cassidy to his mother, or one of his sisters, and the custody issue would be a non-issue.


That is true jester thank you! I keep saying over and over that this was a civil trial, not a criminal trial. He hasn't even been named a suspect in the murder of Michelle. People are jumping on this civil ruling, which in effect was just the judge declaring Jason as the slayer because he didn't even show up in court to refute anything..what choice did the judge have here? Civil penalties are completely different from criminal penalties, criminals lose rights, civil case losers, lose money. Huge difference!

[JHP]

Jason has still not been found guilty of a crime. Civil and criminal trials are totally different, they have different standards of evidence in them.

Yes, but at least we know LE considers Jason to be a part of this.

[Kat4Eagles]

You don't have to have blisters to make peeling on the feet . Athletic feet does the same thing. The Dr. only looked at a picture. Maybe if JY makes it to trial he feet will still be peeling. maybe he has medical records to show that. IMOO


Ack, first the gloves don't fit, now the shoes....:biggrin::

Should be interesting if we should ever get to that part!!

Kat

[Jester]

Yes, but the shoes he was wearing that gave him blisters had to be worn for awhile, not just a few moments !!

If you just put on a pair of shoes to make prints, no blisters!!

These had to be worn for a period of time!!

:banging head on keyboard: icon: requested

Kat

He wore the old shoes to commit murder, not make prints.

Keep banging your head on the keyboard if it feels good.

[Jester]

That is true jester thank you! I keep saying over and over that this was a civil trial, not a criminal trial. He hasn't even been named a suspect in the murder of Michelle. People are jumping on this civil ruling, which in effect was just the judge declaring Jason as the slayer because he didn't even show up in court to refute anything..what choice did the judge have here? Civil penalties are completely different from criminal penalties, criminals lose rights, civil case losers, lose money. Huge difference!

The new information about Cassidy possibly being drugged certainly raises some concerns, but there may be a reason why Jason has been living with either his mom or his sister since Michelle's murder. It may be that they want to keep an eye on Cassidy. I have always found it hard to believe that a man Jason's age doesn't want to have his own apartment or house. Maybe his family is insisting that he remain living with them so they can ensure Cassidy's safety.

[JD1974]

Not at all, before the Board closed, I was asked why I seemed against the Fishers, today I was out of town, so tonite I explained.

Kat



I am not against anyone, Kat we have been posting here almost 2 years. I started in Nov of 06 right after, you came along not too long after. I have never actually said who I think did this crime until a few weeks ago when I thought maybe I would have to slip into the JDI side. I was always on the fence.

I really have a problem with someones child/ren being removed from them before they have been charged with a crime. The Brad Cooper case really got me, it was almost like a divorce, he said/she said and reading some of the things Nancy's friends said had so many inconsistincies in it, that really bugs me. The difference is Brad has now been accused and is sitting in jail. I think Jason will give custody to one of his family members, heck as far as we know he may already have done so, juvenile records are sealed. Adoption records even more so.

I don't think Cassidy was drugged. There was no way that the killer could know they wouldn't test her right then. I still don't understand why they would keep medicine in a childs room, but she may have been sick around that time?

[JD1974]

Why do you only focus on Michelle's family when you think Cassidy was potentially in danger by living with Jason after Michelle's murder? Certainly Pat, Heather, Kim, and several other people associated with or related to the family had an equal responsibility to look at the situation and draw conclusions, not only Michelle's mother and sister. Could Pat have had concerns, and could that be why Jason and Cassidy moved in with her? Was Pat concerned enough that she didn't want Jason and Cassidy to be alone?


I don't think Jason's family believes he killed Michelle, why would they have concerns for Cassidy?

[BSNBREVARDNC]

That is true jester thank you! I keep saying over and over that this was a civil trial, not a criminal trial. He hasn't even been named a suspect in the murder of Michelle. People are jumping on this civil ruling, which in effect was just the judge declaring Jason as the slayer because he didn't even show up in court to refute anything..what choice did the judge have here? Civil penalties are completely different from criminal penalties, criminals lose rights, civil case losers, lose money. Huge difference!

Technically you are right. The cops have never named Jason as a suspect or called him a person of interest. No, they just jumped ahead and called him the killer.

Now explain this to me please. How was the cop wrong when he named Jason as the killer, but certain posters are correct when they insinuate that the cop doesn't know what he is talking about. After all, the cop has seen evidence that we don't even know about. Wouldn't this make him a little more believable than a poster who only knows what has been released?

ALSO, if the cops suspected that MF was involved, do you think they would have given a statement that could cause them to be charged with giving false testimony? If they suspected her they could have refused to give testimony against Jason. I'm sure that they could have used some excuse about protecting the investigation, etc.

[Jester]

I don't think Jason's family believes he killed Michelle, why would they have concerns for Cassidy?

Pat had 28 phone calls from Jason on November 3 up until the time that Michelle's body was found. Then silence. The next thing she knows is that Michelle has been murdered. Then she decides that Jason should continue on to her, rather than rush to the scene, so she apparently doesn't tell him that his wife has been murdered.

She may say that she thinks Jason is innocent, but there may be more to those 28 phone calls than we know.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

I don't think Jason's family believes he killed Michelle, why would they have concerns for Cassidy?

I disagree. I think the family knows he killed her but "blood is thicker than water".

[5swab5]

Jason delayed his photo shoot? His attorney was served with the order late in the afternoon and Jason went in the next morning. Doesn't sound like a great delay to me.

IMO

Hi Lindsey,

That's not the way I remember it. IIRC, he had 3 days to comply and he waited until the third day. The old posts are gone and the news articles are either archived or moved.

At any rate, Jason complied with the NTO on the 9th. So, no matter how you count it, he had 6 days to heal. Musta been some blisters.

MOO

[JHP]

I disagree. I think the family knows he killed her but "blood is thicker than water".

Not to mention that Michelle was "just a yankee"

Are things extra quiet in Bevard these days?

[JD1974]

Actually, Kat, as crazy as it sounds, I don't think the two things are mutually exclusive.


It is crazy but true. The case that truly sticks out in my mind is of OJ, he lost the civil trial so according to the civil jury he is a murderer, or well I guess maybe because of the difference in evidence and procedures he is legally not a murderer, just the most likely person who committed the crime? Not sure how that wor5ks exactly. I do know that some parents who are convicted of murdering their spouse still get visitation in jail??? That just floors me, they are convicted murderers and yet the person who has custody of their children has to take the children to the jail to visit...

I think it all has to do with the actual kids as crazy as that sounds, the stance of well he/she killed the parent but technically have never abused nor committed a crime toward the child therefore they retain their parental rights, obviously not custody though. Can someone help me out here with this, I am not even sure how to look that up, it sounds so strange. I do remember the dentist who killed his wife, when the wife's sister ecieved custody of their children she had to bring the children to the jail to see him...thats the only case I can think of off the top of my head though. :thumbdown:

PS Sorry for posting so much today, I think this may be the most posts I have made on this thread since it first started.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

You just said it Kat, SENT there. SENT. Not just happened to go there. Phone records, print outs, GA girl, and 911 call all help corroborate this. She was SENT there.

It could be a coincidence. Jason just happens to send MF to a murder scene on a day when he has called his mom 28 times, and on a day when he just happened to get rid of clothing and shoes that he is wearing, and he just happens to be having an affair and would like that girl to have his baby instead, and etc., etc., etc.,

It could all just be a coincidence that could easily be explained away if only someone had not lawyered up and refused to cooperate in the investigation.....

[Jester]

I think it's because ever time he gets a job people start harassing his employers and he is let go. Its hard to pay for a place to live when you can't be allowed to earn a living.

If Jason would cooperate with the investigation into his wife's murder, his career wouldn't be such a mess. He was let go after the release of search warrants identifying his DNA on the wall with the blood. His company may have given him a couple of weeks to clear things up. Jason remained silent. Maybe his company decided that it was better not to have someone with questionable character working with sensitive material. What if there were a work related lawsuit, and Jason refused to cooperate? That would place the company in jeopardy. His character is most likely what interferes with his career, not anything anyone says on a message board.

Besides, if Jason thought someone slandered him out of a job, he has legal recourse. Why not use it an sue the people that have called him a murderer?

[annalyzer]

You just said it Kat, SENT there. SENT. Not just happened to go there. Phone records, print outs, GA girl, and 911 call all help corroborate this. She was SENT there.

Or was the "fluke" mutually planned? :unsure:

[Jester]

Hi Lindsey,

That's not the way I remember it. IIRC, he had 3 days to comply and he waited until the third day. The old posts are gone and the news articles are either archived or moved.

At any rate, Jason complied with the NTO on the 9th. So, no matter how you count it, he had 6 days to heal. Musta been some blisters.

MOO

Thanks. That's what I was remembering. There was something off about Jason coming in for his photo shoot.

[annalyzer]

Thats the best one I've heard so far!

I know a couple of you here want nothing more than see Meredith arrested.

Its not going to happen.

I have never seen such seething hatred toward a woman whos only crime was to respond to Jason's call to retrieve a document for him.

Why such hatred?

Is it jealousy?

I just don't get it.

I don't hate anyone. Jealous? LOL I am just looking at the facts that we know of and looking into possibilities drawn from those facts.

[5swab5]

Nope, not true.

If Michelle had a brother that was sent there, I would be looking just as closely at C's uncle.

:)
Kat

But, not anyone in the Young family.

Not the husband or the sister that was listed (according to rumor) as Cassidy's guardian should anything happen to Michelle & Jason? Not Jaon's other sister, BIL's?

No one person on the Young side of the family?

Gotcha.

MOO

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Not to mention that Michelle was "just a yankee"

Are things extra quiet in Bevard these days?

Certainly, what would there be to talk about in little ole Brevard? It's just the usual things. The weather; when are we going to get some snow; have you done your Christmas shopping; are you going to see the decorations at the Biltmore house; did you see the gingerbread houses at the Grove Park Inn; who is the newest neighbor to be labeled as a Slayer.

You know, the usual small town chit chat.

[Hey Paula]

Pat had 28 phone calls from Jason on November 3 up until the time that Michelle's body was found. Then silence. The next thing she knows is that Michelle has been murdered. Then she decides that Jason should continue on to her, rather than rush to the scene, so she apparently doesn't tell him that his wife has been murdered.

She may say that she thinks Jason is innocent, but there may be more to those 28 phone calls than we know.

ITA and IIRC the SW stated the amount of JY's calls to his mother was inordinate based upon his normal calling patterns. Even if his mother didn't know something was amiss after receiving all those calls, she must have surely known after LE called. JY must have been anxious to know if anyone had called his mother with the news of Michelle's murder. That might have accounted for most of his calls to his mother.

IMO

[Jester]

I don't hate anyone. Jealous? LOL I am just looking at the facts that we know of and looking into possibilities drawn from those facts.

Excellent. There are no facts or search warrants implicating Meredith. QED

[BSNBREVARDNC]

But, not anyone in the Young family.

Not the husband or the sister that was listed (according to rumor) as Cassidy's guardian should anything happen to Michelle & Jason? Not Jaon's other sister, BIL's?

No one person on the Young side of the family?

Gotcha.

MOO

Exactly!!!

I know, I know, he was out of town. But please people, he had a car. He didn't drive a horse and buggy to the Hampton Inn. He wasn't at a business meeting in Seattle. Come on.

[5swab5]

Legally anyone can call CPS, do you think they only take away children whose parents may have murdered someone, or do you think they may just take a child who is in danger. I honestly don't believe anyone thinks Jason is a danger to Cassidy and that's why no one has tried to get custody away from him. Jason is considered a murderer in civil court, there is a huge difference there. He has not even been arrested for a crime, you can lose a civil case and still keep custody of your children...just ask OJ.

JD1974,

Until the latest SWs, I never thought that Cassidy was in any danger either. Now I have to wonder, especially with her being found in Jason & Michelle's bed, if she wasn't meant to die too. The adult meds really bother me.

She needs to be removed ASAP from the Young household!

I know that a lot of people here do not want to see Cassidy in foster care, but I feel that is preferable, to insure her safety.

MOO

[Hey Paula]

Hi Lindsey,

That's not the way I remember it. IIRC, he had 3 days to comply and he waited until the third day. The old posts are gone and the news articles are either archived or moved.

At any rate, Jason complied with the NTO on the 9th. So, no matter how you count it, he had 6 days to heal. Musta been some blisters.

MOO

Hi Swabby!

That's my recollection as well. And IIRC, wasn't the NTO conducted on the same day as the funeral?

[Lindsey]

I'm looking for my copy of the NTIO but haven't found it yet.

I did however much to my surprise find the post that Silsbee was talking about last night that backed up RPD's post about impending arrest. I'm not sure it's ok to post the member's name since he isn't here anymore but it was posted 01-28-2007 06:48 PM I didn't realize that I had saved it but I did.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

She was killed on friday the 3rd. and he gave evidence on Wed. the 8th. I bet there are men on here right now that have peeling toes. Be a man and stand up and say so.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1088411/

And if they refuse to do so, us wives with the strong gag reflexes and weak stomachs will do it for them. Have you ever noticed that there are no articles about men and their attractive feet?

[JHP]

Certainly, what would there be to talk about in little ole Brevard? It's just the usual things. The weather; when are we going to get some snow; have you done your Christmas shopping; are you going to see the decorations at the Biltmore house; did you see the gingerbread houses at the Grove Park Inn; who is the newest neighbor to be labeled as a Slayer.

You know, the usual small town chit chat.

Thanks for the:biggrin: Small towns are special. Gosh there can't be too many Slayers is town?

I hope the Youngs are taking Cassidy to see all those special decoations.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

He wore the old shoes to commit murder, not make prints.

Keep banging your head on the keyboard if it feels good.


:Ouch:

We don't know that...

Then why the 2nd set of prints?

Utoh.

Kat

[Lindsey]

Hi Swabby!

That's my recollection as well. And IIRC, wasn't the NTO conducted on the same day as the funeral?

I believe it was on the day before the funeral. Not sure but still looking ...

[Kat4Eagles]

You just said it Kat, SENT there. SENT. Not just happened to go there. Phone records, print outs, GA girl, and 911 call all help corroborate this. She was SENT there.


I should have said, "found the body" then and made the strange call !!

Sorry!!

Kat

[Jester]

:Ouch:

We don't know that...

Then why the 2nd set of prints?

Utoh.

Kat

Old shoes for the murder, dress shoes for work. After he showered and dressed, he looked after Cassidy, and he accidentally stepped in the blood.

[Jester]

I should have said, "found the body" then and made the strange call !!

Sorry!!

Kat

I don't think Freud would let you off that one.

[Kat4Eagles]

JD1974,

Until the latest SWs, I never thought that Cassidy was in any danger either. Now I have to wonder, especially with her being found in Jason & Michelle's bed, if she wasn't meant to die too. The adult meds really bother me.

She needs to be removed ASAP from the Young household!

I know that a lot of people here do not want to see Cassidy in foster care, but I feel that is preferable, to insure her safety.

MOO

Oh. gee, 2 years later now everyone is suddenly worried about C.!!

:double bang:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I don't think Freud would let you off that one.


Probably right, not much I can get by you guys!!

:)

Kat

[5swab5]

I think it's because ever time he gets a job people start harassing his employers and he is let go. Its hard to pay for a place to live when you can't be allowed to earn a living.

OR perhaps other employees, particularly female ones AND female clients are uncomfortable working with the focus in a double murder and now court named SLAYER. (Not to mention a womanizer that trolls for dates with pics of a small child.)

Until he was cleared, I wouldn't work with him and I certainly would refuse to be in contact with him, or buy from any Company that he represented.

MOO

[JD1974]

He might have worn the smaller sized shoes to throw LE off.

I wonder if JY gave Cassidy Tylenol before he killed Michelle, thinking she would sleep through the murder, or after it to keep her asleep until Meredith arrived?


I was always under the belief that Tylenol does not make your child sleepy? A sick child yes, because it takes away the symptoms which then lets your child sleep, I have never heard of someone using Tylenol as a sleep aid? Benedryl I have heard of, but I am really confused about Tylenol. I know when I take Tylenol, unless it is PM, it never makes me feel sleepy.. :confused:

[JHP]

ITA and IIRC the SW stated the amount of JY's calls to his mother was inordinate based upon his normal calling patterns. Even if his mother didn't know something was amiss after receiving all those calls, she must have surely known after LE called. JY must have been anxious to know if anyone had called his mother with the news of Michelle's murder. That might have accounted for most of his calls to his mother.

IMO

Hi Hey Paula, You've been missed.

There is something really strange with that whole scenario. If Momma didn't know before he did this she must have been suspicious with all those calls.

I have always been disturbed about the falling to the knees day.JMO

[Lindsey]

It was the 6th.

The actual document seems to no longer be available online but this is an article about it. Posted on Nov 9

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1088411/

[5swab5]

She was killed on friday the 3rd. and he gave evidence on Wed. the 8th. I bet there are men on here right now that have peeling toes. Be a man and stand up and say so.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1088411/

Thanks for the link. I misread my copy of it.

So he had 5 days to heal, I stand corrected.

Why did he wait so long to go in to be excluded? If he was interested in the slayer of his wife and child being brought to justice, he should have been THE first in line to clear his name and expedite the investigation!

MOO

[JHP]

I was always under the belief that Tylenol does not make your child sleepy? A sick child yes, because it takes away the symptoms which then lets your child sleep, I have never heard of someone using Tylenol as a sleep aid? Benedryl I have heard of, but I am really confused about Tylenol. I know when I take Tylenol, unless it is PM, it never makes me feel sleepy.. :confused:

Back in the olden days childrens Tylenol liquid had alcohol in it. They took that out about 24 years ago.

I believe the Tylenol that was in the S/W was some sort of special Tylenol.

[Lindsey]

A PDF of the NTO is available at the NC Wanted site.


I'm not familiar with that site. Could you give me a link straight to the PDF? Thanks

[5swab5]

Oh. gee, 2 years later now everyone is suddenly worried about C.!!

:double bang:

Kat

For one simple reason, since Jason did not kill his dog OR his child, I always assumed that Cassidy was either a gift to Heather or his Mom.

OR, at the very least, his insurance policy against alienating the entire family and being forced to fend for himself. Seems that has worked so far.

He has been mooching for years. Just letting the real Insurance Policy sit there. If you choose to think that is normal-go ahead, I do Not!

Wonder what explanation he has given them about the adult meds in Cassidy's room? Think he remembered to wipe the bottle clean of his fingerprints? Time was getting away from him at that point, so I doubt it.

MOO

[Hey Paula]

I believe it was on the day before the funeral. Not sure but still looking ...

You're right, Lindsey. The NTIO took place late Wednesday morning on November 8, 2006, and Michelle's funeral was the next day (Thursday, the 9th) as per link:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1088411/

[5swab5]

The actual document seems to no longer be available online but this is an article about it. Posted on Nov 9

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1088411/

Yep, but there are 48 days worth of potential revisions worked into the date of that article. I distinctly remember the earlier one talking about the discrepancy between the time the NTO was served and then complied with.

Seems someone was keeping news outlets very busy during that time rewriting their reports.:cursing:

MOO

[jerry50]

What I find hard to believe that not one of JY's friends has come forward and said they knew he owned a pair of Franklin shoes. Surely all the friends he had and some stayed over night would have seen the Franklin's if they indeed existed. He would have had them since probably 9Th grade isn't that when the feet reach their size and stop growing.

How do you know that no one has come forward? WRAL is not going to publish info about what his friends have said about his wardrobe.
How many of his friends have come out publically since last Friday to declare what a fine human being he is and that there is no way he could have killed Michelle?

[TheRed]

Tylenol Rapid Blast-

"Children Under 12 Years: Do not use this adult product in children under 12 years of age; this will provide more than the recommended dose (overdose) and may cause liver damage."

OK, so think logically.....would Michelle really give this medication to her daughter, knowing that it could cause such serious consequences???

It also states that pregnant or nursing women should consult a physician before taking.

Good chance that MY wasn't taking it either, but my speculation is that she wasn't.

So hmmmm........who else does that leave?

As for those who say that maybe one of them were sleeping in C's room and might have taken them.... c'mon, they were left out where she could have easily drank them and died, FGS!

I think they were left there in all the rush of cleaning up and overlooked before the trip back to the hotel....

of course, as always, MOO !!!

[JHP]

For one simple reason, since Jason did not kill his dog OR his child, I always assumed that Cassidy was either a gift to Heather or his Mom.

OR, at the very least, his insurance policy against alienating the entire family and being forced to fend for himself. Seems that has worked so far.

He has been mooching for years. Just letting the real Insurance Policy sit there. If you choose to think that is normal-go ahead, I do Not!

Wonder what explanation he has given them about the adult meds in Cassidy's room? Think he remembered to wipe the bottle clean of his fingerprints? Time was getting away from him at that point, so I doubt it.

MOO

Yes, I suspect when they were on their all-expense paid vacation to CA (compliments of Michelle). Alot of things were discussed like how Michelle was mistreating him. It probably was also discussed how much Mom and Sis loved Cassidy. IIRC it was reported Heather was trying to have a baby.
Cassidy was a gift but it probably would have been ok if something happened to her.
He couldn't even pretend to be concerned about her with LE.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

OR perhaps other employees, particularly female ones AND female clients are uncomfortable working with the focus in a double murder and now court named SLAYER. (Not to mention a womanizer that trolls for dates with pics of a small child.)

Until he was cleared, I wouldn't work with him and I certainly would refuse to be in contact with him, or buy from any Company that he represented.

MOO

Q....And, what exactly did Jason sell or have access to?

A.......Drugs!!

All kinds of drugs that could have killed Michelle or C anytime he wanted to, if that was his objective!!
No blood, no mess, no shoe prints.


Kat

[Hey Paula]

I was always under the belief that Tylenol does not make your child sleepy? A sick child yes, because it takes away the symptoms which then lets your child sleep, I have never heard of someone using Tylenol as a sleep aid? Benedryl I have heard of, but I am really confused about Tylenol. I know when I take Tylenol, unless it is PM, it never makes me feel sleepy.. :confused:

I just did a Google search using key words "Tylenol makes children sleepy", and it seems as though it apparently does.

http://www.google.com/search?q=tylenol+makes+children+sleepy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

[jerry50]

Q....And, what exactly did Jason sell or have access to?

A.......Drugs!!

All kinds of drugs that could have killed Michelle or C anytime he wanted to, if that was his objective!!
No blood, no mess, no shoe prints.


Kat

And they would all be traced back to him.

[Lindsey]

Yep, but there are 48 days worth of potential revisions worked into the date of that article. I distinctly remember the earlier one talking about the discrepancy between the time the NTO was served and then complied with.

Seems someone was keeping news outlets very busy during that time rewriting their reports.

MOO

My memory is saying the order was signed and/or served after 3:00 PM for Jason to appear at 7:00 PM, same day, but he didn't go in until the next morning.

I'll probably have to clean off my desk to find my copy but that'll have to wait. I'm running late now.

Later

[Hey Paula]

Hi Hey Paula, You've been missed.

There is something really strange with that whole scenario. If Momma didn't know before he did this she must have been suspicious with all those calls.

I have always been disturbed about the falling to the knees day.JMO

Hi JHP, and thanks!

I think JY's arrest is imminent, given his failure to respond to the WDS and being declared as Michelle's slayer. I wonder what the convincing, non-public evidence was that Det Spivey declared which swayed the judge?

It's great to see you and to know that justice will finally soon be served for Michelle and Rylan.

[JD1974]

No information has been released about the therapist notes. I can't imagine why Jason was interested in gay bars, unless he's bi-curious. Some of his comments to co-workers give the impression he was rather preoccupied with sex, so maybe he was looking for a sexual adventure.


I always wondered if too much is made of those searches. They did have a friend who is gay, I think the searches were made for him.

[5swab5]

(snipped)

He couldn't even pretend to be concerned about her with LE.

JMO


And that my friend, is the most *D*ing evidence of all.
He either didn't care OR already knew exactly how she was doing.

NO loving father would hang up on investigators without asking. In fact a loving father would still be sitting on Harrison desk demanding answers.

Yet we have NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH concern from the SLAYER about anything excet his next ticket to Puerto Rico and trolling new babes/victims.

IMO

[JD1974]

JD1974,

Until the latest SWs, I never thought that Cassidy was in any danger either. Now I have to wonder, especially with her being found in Jason & Michelle's bed, if she wasn't meant to die too. The adult meds really bother me.

She needs to be removed ASAP from the Young household!

I know that a lot of people here do not want to see Cassidy in foster care, but I feel that is preferable, to insure her safety.

MOO



I don't think she was drugged, I can look in my bathroom and find something to knock an adult out, let alone a child and there is no way Tylenol would be a drug of choice to kill anyone.

[JD1974]

Tylenol Rapid Blast-

"Children Under 12 Years: Do not use this adult product in children under 12 years of age; this will provide more than the recommended dose (overdose) and may cause liver damage."

OK, so think logically.....would Michelle really give this medication to her daughter, knowing that it could cause such serious consequences???

It also states that pregnant or nursing women should consult a physician before taking.

Good chance that MY wasn't taking it either, but my speculation is that she wasn't.

So hmmmm........who else does that leave?

As for those who say that maybe one of them were sleeping in C's room and might have taken them.... c'mon, they were left out where she could have easily drank them and died, FGS!

I think they were left there in all the rush of cleaning up and overlooked before the trip back to the hotel....

of course, as always, MOO !!!


You are also not supposed to use infant drops on infants, yet your pediatrician can give you the correct dosage by weight. I think the Tylenol is something Cassidy was given when she was sick. Leaving it in the bedroom bothers me, but I don't know where in the bedroom it was left. It may have been left on a high sheft she couldn't reach but that made it easier for whoever had to get up in the night with her to give it to her. I really do not see anything sinsiter with the Tylenol and I can't believe some people actually think Jason would try to kill his daughter by using it. If he is the killer and wanted Cassidy to suffer the same fate as Michelle, being a pharm rep he could of used something way more effective than Tylenol.

[JD1974]

And they would all be traced back to him.


The Tylenol that is sitting in Cassidy's bedroom can't be traced to him?

[JD1974]

I just did a Google search using key words "Tylenol makes children sleepy", and it seems as though it apparently does.

http://www.google.com/search?q=tylenol+makes+children+sleepy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a


First link, read the comments...



http://www.momsview.com/discus/messages/23/34865.html


90% are saying it doesn't, they are thinking the OP meant the Dimetapp. Or like I said, in sick children it makes them sleepy because their symptoms are gone for awhile and they can finally sleep.

[Hey Paula]

The Tylenol that is sitting in Cassidy's bedroom can't be traced to him?

One of the SWs lists Tylenol as one of the products JY's company distributed and that JY would have samples of, IIRC.

[jerry50]

The Tylenol that is sitting in Cassidy's bedroom can't be traced to him?

Read the post I was responding to.

[5swab5]

I don't think she was drugged, I can look in my bathroom and find something to knock an adult out, let alone a child and there is no way Tylenol would be a drug of choice to kill anyone.

I don't think that beating your pregnant wife to death in your bedroom is the preferred method either, but when a "choke hold" gets broken...sometimes, ya just got to improvise...time constraints and all.

MOO

[Lindsey]

And that my friend, is the most *D*ing evidence of all.
He either didn't care OR already knew exactly how she was doing.

NO loving father would hang up on investigators without asking. In fact a loving father would still be sitting on Harrison desk demanding answers.

Yet we have NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH concern from the SLAYER about anything excet his next ticket to Puerto Rico and trolling new babes/victims.

IMO

He did already know how she was doing because he and his mother had already talked to the one who had her in their care. If it had been his first notification of what had happened and he didn't ask about Cassidy, then I would agree with you but this phone call was hours after he was notified.

[5swab5]

He did already know how she was doing because he and his mother had already talked to the one who had her in their care. If it had been his first notification of what had happened and he didn't ask about Cassidy, then I would agree with you but this phone call was hours after he was notified.

Maybe it's just me, but I would have been asking EVERYONE question after question, after question. I would want a second opinion, I would want to be SURE. I sure wouldn't have HUNG UP on LE when they were right there.

MOO

[5swab5]

I'm sure he had been on the phone with is SIL and knew how his daughter was. He went to his SIL house and spent the night . She wanted him to move in with her and let her watch the child while he worked but he declined.

I will believe that RUMOR propagated out of Brevard when I hear it in court. In the meantime, it is RUMOR and ONLY rumor. From a select group of people that have ENDLESS excuses for the "person of interest"/SLAYER that now lives in their midst.

MOO

[Lindsey]

This is how rumors get started.

Rumor or fact, I don't know but it was posted here long ago and some of the posters here at the time were 'insiders' did not dispute it. They might have made excuses for it but didn't dispute it.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Do you have any idea what was said to him before he hung up?

For that matter, do you have any idea what he said before he hung up?

[Hey Paula]

You aren't remembering correctly.

Yes, I am. See pages 11-13. JY was given those samples by his former employer, Pan American Lab/Pamlab.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/04/4076660/20081204120316663.pdf

[BSNBREVARDNC]

I'm sure he had been on the phone with is SIL and knew how his daughter was. He went to his SIL house and spent the night . She wanted him to move in with her and let her watch the child while he worked but he declined.

Her sister has just been murdered and she offered to let her BIL and her niece move into her home so that she could help her (now) widowed BIL take care of her niece. This would also let them have an alternative to having to return to the home where the murder occurred.
OMG.....How evil can you get. I bet she is one of those heartless monsters that sends money to starving kids in the third world. She must be stopped. What is next? Sending baked goods to senior citizens during the holidays?

I'm writing my congressman right now. Forget the war on terrorism! We must end kindness!!!!

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Do you?

Be careful how you answer as I am sure the truth will come out at the trial.

My mistake. I thought we were trying to come up with questions that no one on the boards had an answer to, but the cops could answer.

[5swab5]

If you don't believe he talked to his SIL then tell us how he figured out that was where his daughter was? Sometimes it just takes common sense.

Sorry,

Should have know that I HAD to snip.

I was referring to this part of the post:

She wanted him to move in with her and let her watch the child while he worked but he declined.

MOO

[5swab5]

He gave no non public evidence to the judge. He just alluded to there being some.

But, you ARE aware, that the very same Judge Stephens that declared Jason a slayer, was ALSO the same Judge Stephens that was privy to Michelle's therapist's notes?

Seems to me, that he knows even MORE than Spivey.

MOO

[Silsbee]

RaleighResident also told us in the early posts that Jason left Raleigh at 4 p.m. That turned out to be inaccurate as well. There were a lot of things posted in the beginning that were incorrect because misinformation was being given out either intentionally or unintentionally by some close to the case. IMO. It is a shame that even though the mistakes were corrected back then, they are still being repeated as fact two years later.

In that post he made it clear that's what he was told. He made it clear it might not be accurate and he speculated a theory using that time IIRC. In his post about MF he made it clear RPD was telling the truth. It was the way he posted about the info that made a difference. He was very sure the info was correct and known by LE and the media.

Sils

[Silsbee]

Maybe the dog could smell death and wanted to get out of the house, not be with Michelle.

It has been my experience that dogs are attracted to death and blood not repelled by it. That is why dogs are so easily trained to find cadavers.

Sils

[5swab5]

In that post he made it clear that's what he was told. He made it clear it might not be accurate and he speculated a theory using that time IIRC. In his post about MF he made it clear RPD was telling the truth. It was the way he posted about the info that made a difference. He was very sure the info was correct and known by LE and the media.

Sils

Hi Sils,

I don't think that RR or RPD ever meant to mislead anyone. Just as in ANY disaster...things are coming in fast and furious. The natural tendency is to want be the first one to have the info. So they all have to be sifted through later.

I don't even think that they searched for JFK Jr's. plane in the correct waters for a few hours.

JMO

[Silsbee]

Hi Sils,

I don't think that RR or RPD ever meant to mislead anyone. Just as in ANY disaster...things are coming in fast and furious. The natural tendency is to want be the first one to have the info. So they all have to be sifted through later.

I don't even think that they searched for JFK Jr's. plane in the correct waters for a few hours.

JMO

I get that Swabby. Check PM's

Sils

[MerriMent]

Where are you reading evil into my post? I thought it sounded like an act of kindness. I just wondered when she changed her mind and decided he killed her sister?

Quite a study in contradictions: telling others he was involved and yet inviting him~and CY~to live with her. Did she want Michelle out of the way so she could take over mothering CY? If she really thought Jason murdered Michelle, why wasn't she insisting CPS get involved?

No wonder LE is still sifting through correspondence.

[Kat4Eagles]

Quite a study in contradictions: telling others he was involved and yet inviting him~and CY~to live with her. Did she want Michelle out of the way so she could take over mothering CY? If she really thought Jason murdered Michelle, why wasn't she insisting CPS get involved?

No wonder LE is still sifting through correspondence.



You ever think she had a thing for Jason?

Being such a good buddy or confidant might have given her a crush on him.?

Maybe Jason, unknowingly, even led her on, like Michelle does not understand me, but you do , kind of thing.

I married the wrong sister, instead of the other sister.

I always wondered if maybe she somehow found out about MM , and was either mad at him or jealous.


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Hi Sils,

I don't think that RR or RPD ever meant to mislead anyone. Just as in ANY disaster...things are coming in fast and furious. The natural tendency is to want be the first one to have the info. So they all have to be sifted through later.

I don't even think that they searched for JFK Jr's. plane in the correct waters for a few hours.

JMO

Yes, but look at the damage that was done.

I was never able to get past that. Still can't.

People can retract, rescind, until the sky turns blue, but once something is out there, good luck taking it back.

I have used this comparison before, but it is like in a trial when someone slips up and says something that they shouldn't and the Judge says to disregard that testimony, good luck with that too.

It is out there.

The truth is out there too.
Kat

[MerriMent]

You ever think she had a thing for Jason?

Being such a good buddy or confidant might have given her a crush on him.?

I always wondered if maybe she somehow found out about MM , and was either mad at him or jealous.


Kat


I'm not sure if MF had a "thing" for Jason or was it just CY she wanted?
Killing Michelle and setting Jason as the killer would help reach that goal.

[5swab5]

Perhaps he does but that wasn't what we were talking about.

Doesn't change the FACT that Stephens is even more privy to info than Spivey!

Can't wait to hear the therapist's notes read in open court!

MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

I'm not sure if MF had a "thing" for Jason or was it just CY she wanted?
Killing Michelle and setting Jason as the killer would help reach that goal.


Interesting...

I adore my sister, and little nieces and nephews too, but I can not see relocating anyone's life .

Unless they were season ticket holders.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Doesn't change the FACT that Stephens is even more privy to info than Spivey!

Can't wait to hear the therapist's notes read in open court!

MOO


Can't wait either.

But, weren't we told, that the therapist's notes could not come into play?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

So, what is next?

If he did it, and the walls are closing in, and people are calling him a slayer, now what?

What happens if one of C's playmates calls her Daddy a slayer, and she asks him what that means?

When will it be time for him to make some decisons?

And, the most important question of all.!!

Truth only.

If Jason held a press conference tomorrow, declaring his innocence, making a plea for Michelle, would any of you believe him now?

If he was able to explain some of the things away that make him look guilty, could you look past his 2 years of silence.??

Kat

[5swab5]

Quite a study in contradictions: telling others he was involved and yet inviting him~and CY~to live with her. Did she want Michelle out of the way so she could take over mothering CY? If she really thought Jason murdered Michelle, why wasn't she insisting CPS get involved?

No wonder LE is still sifting through correspondence.

I guess that in the initial SHOCK of being sent to her sister's house, on a "fluke" by her BIL, only to find her sister BLUDGEONED to death, Meredith "lost her head". Who amongst us would like to think that our sibling could be involved with such a MONSTER?

I applaud her for taking the time to access the situation.

MOO!

[MerriMent]

Interesting...

I adore my sister, and little nieces and nephews too, but I can not see relocating anyone's life .

Unless they were season ticket holders.

Kat

You might be a deranged fan but I doubt you're a deranged killer. lol

[MerriMent]

So, what is next?

If he did it, and the walls are closing in, and people are calling him a slayer, now what?

What happens if one of C's playmates calls her Daddy a slayer, and she asks him what that means?

When will it be time for him to make some decisons?

And, the most important question of all.!!

Truth only.

If Jason held a press conference tomorrow, declaring his innocence, making a plea for Michelle, would any of you believe him now?

If he was able to explain some of the things away that make him look guilty, could you look past his 2 years of silence.??

Kat

If C's friends refer to her daddy as a killer, C needs new friends.

[5swab5]

You ever think she had a thing for Jason?

Being such a good buddy or confidant might have given her a crush on him.?

Maybe Jason, unknowingly, even led her on, like Michelle does not understand me, but you do , kind of thing.

I married the wrong sister, instead of the other sister.

I always wondered if maybe she somehow found out about MM , and was either mad at him or jealous.


Kat

Oh,

I think that one of them knew!

I think that Michelle had FRIENDS, real friends. REAL acquaintances AND Family.

I also KNOW that Michelle had talked to a therapist.

Hmm, her husband is playing footsie with her best friend, but Michelle is pregnant and is worried about something else?

I doubt it!

MOO

[5swab5]

(snip)So, what is next?

If he did it, and the walls are closing in, and people are calling him a slayer, now what?(snip)


Kat

WE, the collective WE, that you are so fond of referring to, DO NOT CARE!

Jason has been declared a SLAYER by an esteemed Judge in the good State of N.C.

IF that happened to me, I would HAVE to deal with it. WHY, since it is Jason...IS that distinction ignored?

Just Askin'

MOO

CPS: PLEASE Remove Cassidy ASAP from the murderer's mommies's den!

[annalyzer]

So, what is next?

If he did it, and the walls are closing in, and people are calling him a slayer, now what?

What happens if one of C's playmates calls her Daddy a slayer, and she asks him what that means?

When will it be time for him to make some decisons?

And, the most important question of all.!!

Truth only.

If Jason held a press conference tomorrow, declaring his innocence, making a plea for Michelle, would any of you believe him now?

If he was able to explain some of the things away that make him look guilty, could you look past his 2 years of silence.??

Kat

He better have a damn good explanation. :glare:

[annalyzer]

CPS: PLEASE Remove Cassidy ASAP from the murderer's mommies's den!


That should have been done over two years ago.

[5swab5]

Yes, but look at the damage that was done.

I was never able to get past that. Still can't.

People can retract, rescind, until the sky turns blue, but once something is out there, good luck taking it back.

I have used this comparison before, but it is like in a trial when someone slips up and says something that they shouldn't and the Judge says to disregard that testimony, good luck with that too.

It is out there.

The truth is out there too.
Kat

Kat,

That is just silly.

I have dozens and dozens of your posts that proclaim that you did NOT join this discussion until the "People Magazine" article came out.


IF you "got" the info, it has apparently been slanted.

All I am Sayin'

MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

Kat,

That is just silly.

I have dozens and dozens of your posts that proclaim that you did NOT join this discussion until the "People Magazine" article came out.


IF you "got" the info, it has apparently been slanted.

All I am Sayin'

MOO




Ahh, but one nite I went back to read the early threads and there it was!!

The original post had been removed, but when someone quoted the post, it was intact.

I remember how shocked I was, and I came back here and posted something like Holy Crap, why didn't someone tell me this before?

It was like this big cover~up that we weren't supposed to discuss.

There was another old post that said it was all a big mistake, and that she was going to pay the money back.

This is why it is important to be responsible and credible in what you post..plus, it separates fact from fiction a whole lot easier.

ETA.
And, I am not understanding the part of getting slanted info?

Explain, please.

[Kat4Eagles]

He better have a damn good explanation. :glare:

Okay, but you have to agree, soon he is going to have to do something..even Kim told him to step up..

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

You might be a deranged fan but I doubt you're a deranged killer. lol



:biggrin:

I need a cleanup on a computer in Aisle 7.

Kat

[5swab5]

That should have been done over two years ago.


I agree!

I never knew that "Laci's & Connor's Law" was on the back burner.

I never knew that "grandparents" in N.C. are basically second-class citizens.

I never knew, that regardless of ANY law, that a husband, that knew that his wife was pregnant couldn't be liable for TWO deaths, when he makes the decision to SLAY his pregant wife.

Very sad things I have learned from this case embarrassing actually.

N.C. needs to get with the program!

JMO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

I agree!

I never knew that "Laci's & Connor's Law" was on the back burner.

I never knew that "grandparents" in N.C. are basically second-class citizens.

I never knew, that regardless of ANY law, that a husband, that knew that his wife was pregnant couldn't be liable for TWO deaths, when he makes the decision to SLAY his pregant wife.

Very sad things I have learned from this case embarrassing actually.

N.C. needs to get with the program!

JMO

Swabby


Where do we start ?

Kat

[Barbara2]

In that post he made it clear that's what he was told. He made it clear it might not be accurate and he speculated a theory using that time IIRC. In his post about MF he made it clear RPD was telling the truth. It was the way he posted about the info that made a difference. He was very sure the info was correct and known by LE and the media.

Sils


And yet it wasn't. (IMO) The lessons learned in the beginning of the case were primarily in the category of, "Don't post something because you hear it from a person. It may not be accurate."

[5swab5]

ETA,

And, I am not uderstanding the part of getting slanted info?

Explain, please.



Ahh, but one nite I went back to read the early threads and there it was!!

The original post had been removed, but when someone quoted the post, it was intact.

I remember how shocked I was, and I came back here and posted something like Holy Crap, why didn't someone tell me this before?

It was like this big cover~up that we weren't supposed to discuss.

There was another old post that said it was all a big mistake, and that she was going to pay the money back.

This is why it is important to be responsible and credible in what you post..plus, it separates fact from fiction a whole lot easier.

Kat

Good Enough.

Did you also see the OTHER ones?

The ones that were deleted, before you got here, that banned a lot of people...for mentioning a certain person?

IMO, it is unconscionable that so many records were demolished by CTV. The MY board has always created a lot of angst for CW. Unnecessary and Unwarranted, IMO.

Simple thang!~ Last SW shows it LOUD and CLEAR!

Jason wasn't just Texting Michelle Money, OOPS! There were AT LEAST 3 month's worth of posts and NO telling how many posters banned for that information alone.

MOO

[5swab5]

Where do we start ?

Kat

I don't know Kat.

It just sickens me.

MOO

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Interesting...

I adore my sister, and little nieces and nephews too, but I can not see relocating anyone's life .

Unless they were season ticket holders.

Kat

OK

That was funny.:lol:

[Lindsey]

Civil judgment likely won't affect Young murder probe

Posted: 54 minutes ago

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4102020/

"Nothing that happened in this case, the civil judgment, declaring him the slayer, has any effect on any criminal proceeding at all," said local defense attorney Thomas Manning, who has nothing to do with the Young case.

[5swab5]

Civil judgment likely won't affect Young murder probe

Posted: 54 minutes ago

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4102020/

"Nothing that happened in this case, the civil judgment, declaring him the slayer, has any effect on any criminal proceeding at all," said local defense attorney Thomas Manning, who has nothing to do with the Young case.


Manning? ROTFLMAO!

Let's see that cat climb a tree, let alone a mountain.

Nite All.

MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

Civil judgment likely won't affect Young murder probe

Posted: 54 minutes ago

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4102020/

"Nothing that happened in this case, the civil judgment, declaring him the slayer, has any effect on any criminal proceeding at all," said local defense attorney Thomas Manning, who has nothing to do with the Young case.




Thank you, Lin...!!

I hope this is true and that people will start to realize that these are 2 separate issues at stake.

CIVIL= GUILTY JUDGEMENT
CRIMINAL=UNKNOWN VERDICT

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Good Enough.

Did you also see the OTHER ones?

The ones that were deleted, before you got here, that banned a lot of people...for mentioning a certain person?

IMO, it is unconscionable that so many records were demolished by CTV. The MY board has always created a lot of angst for CW. Unnecessary and Unwarranted, IMO.

Simple thang!~ Last SW shows it LOUD and CLEAR!

Jason wasn't just Texting Michelle Money, OOPS! There were AT LEAST 3 month's worth of posts and NO telling how many posters banned for that information alone.

MOO


Yeah, I did miss that, but I was able to figure it out in bits and pieces, but, I am not sure I understand what you mean about Jason texting other people, or what you meant when you asked me how I got slanted info?

Tia.
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Civil judgment likely won't affect Young murder probe

Posted: 54 minutes ago

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4102020/

"Nothing that happened in this case, the civil judgment, declaring him the slayer, has any effect on any criminal proceeding at all," said local defense attorney Thomas Manning, who has nothing to do with the Young case.


You know, no matter what, this case is always going to be a big mess.

People are always going to wonder why it took so long to get an arrest.

People will always wonder why Jason was named a slayer before the criminal trial, should it go that way.

It is fairly unprecedented <sp?> and the courts, lawyers, will have a field day.....saying that to declare Jason a slayer before his trial was highly prejudical and unfair.

Look for a big mess.

Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

totally OT. Does anyone know why there is a hugh white ring around the moon. I just came in and saw it as I was walking up the drive. My wife is out there now so I'm going back out I will check back in a few. Thanks

OOHHHH that can't be good.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

totally OT. Does anyone know why there is a hugh white ring around the moon. I just came in and saw it as I was walking up the drive. My wife is out there now so I'm going back out I will check back in a few. Thanks


Check out

http://ask.yahoo.com/20040115.html

[Barbara2]

totally OT. Does anyone know why there is a hugh white ring around the moon. I just came in and saw it as I was walking up the drive. My wife is out there now so I'm going back out I will check back in a few. Thanks

It's a halo. I think it's a sign that Michelle is finally able to experience some joy because it looks like there is some justice in the works for her killer. JMO

[Hey Paula]

totally OT. Does anyone know why there is a hugh white ring around the moon. I just came in and saw it as I was walking up the drive. My wife is out there now so I'm going back out I will check back in a few. Thanks

http://www.minnpost.com/davedahl/2008/10/17/3913/video_report_whats_that_ring_around_the_moon

[annalyzer]

Thank you. It is totally beautiful. I wish it was in color but only white so far. Have you seen this before?

I've seen it before but too cloudy here tonite to see it. :glare:

[annalyzer]

It's a halo. I think it's a sign that Michelle is finally able to experience some joy because it looks like there is some justice in the works for her killer. JMO


I hope so. It is long past due.

[annalyzer]

You know, no matter what, this case is always going to be a big mess.

People are always going to wonder why it took so long to get an arrest.

People will always wonder why Jason was named a slayer before the criminal trial, should it go that way.

It is fairly unprecedented <sp?> and the courts, lawyers, will have a field day.....saying that to declare Jason a slayer before his trial was highly prejudical and unfair.

Look for a big mess.

Kat

When and if there ever is a trial I hope (and believe) that a lot of our questions will be answered.

[Hey Paula]

When and if there ever is a trial I hope (and believe) that a lot of our questions will be answered.

Hi Anna!

Because most defendants don't testify in their own defense, and those who do often fail to tell the entire story, most trials leave many unanswered questions.

I believe JY's arrest is imminent.

IMO

[annalyzer]

Hi Anna!

Because most defendants don't testify in their own defense, and those who do often fail to tell the entire story, most trials leave many unanswered questions.

I believe JY's arrest is imminent.

IMO


Hiya HP! I know we won't learn everything but a lot of questions we've had might get answered. Tomorrow I believe is a grand jury day. Let's pray for an indictment.

[Kat4Eagles]

Hiya HP! I know we won't learn everything but a lot of questions we've had might get answered. Tomorrow I believe is a grand jury day. Let's pray for an indictment.


But not imminent, that word has been used so much here, it has lost all meaning.

Kat

[MerriMent]

Civil judgment likely won't affect Young murder probe

Posted: 54 minutes ago

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4102020/

"Nothing that happened in this case, the civil judgment, declaring him the slayer, has any effect on any criminal proceeding at all," said local defense attorney Thomas Manning, who has nothing to do with the Young case.


I think probably every attorney in the area took note of this latest development and are shaking their heads. It really is sad that a lowly sheriff investigator can accuse someone of murder and a court blindly accepts it without requiring the actual evidence be produced for the court record. What is known about rookie murder investigator Spivey other than he became an investigator a month before Michelle was murdered?

[MerriMent]

Hi Anna!

Because most defendants don't testify in their own defense, and those who do often fail to tell the entire story, most trials leave many unanswered questions.

I believe JY's arrest is imminent.

IMO

We've entered into year three now, not exactly imminent.

[MerriMent]

But not imminent, that word has been used so much here, it has lost all meaning.

Kat

If I were in Jason's shoes, I'd be looking forward to an indictment. He's retained a law firm that brought much needed public focus to LE misconduct in the Duke case.

[Kat4Eagles]

We've entered into year three now, not exactly imminent.


:thumbup:

So, true, I wonder what the opposite word is for imminent.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I was looking at another forum today and saw that old post. You are right once said always remembered.


I actually don't know how they were able to get out of it.
I guess no one asked for the required link.
Maybe, back then, anything could fly.
Now, we have at least set the standards for higher accountability.

Kat

[JD1974]

Her sister has just been murdered and she offered to let her BIL and her niece move into her home so that she could help her (now) widowed BIL take care of her niece. This would also let them have an alternative to having to return to the home where the murder occurred.
OMG.....How evil can you get. I bet she is one of those heartless monsters that sends money to starving kids in the third world. She must be stopped. What is next? Sending baked goods to senior citizens during the holidays?

I'm writing my congressman right now. Forget the war on terrorism! We must end kindness!!!!


Don't forget that people have heard Cassidy say daddy did it, do you think she would extend the invitation to him if that were true? I don't care who you are, if your niece said your brother in law killed your sister you are NOT going toinvite him to stay in your home.

[JD1974]

You know, no matter what, this case is always going to be a big mess.

People are always going to wonder why it took so long to get an arrest.

People will always wonder why Jason was named a slayer before the criminal trial, should it go that way.

It is fairly unprecedented <sp?> and the courts, lawyers, will have a field day.....saying that to declare Jason a slayer before his trial was highly prejudical and unfair.

Look for a big mess.

Kat


If this ever goes to trial I can see the first motion being that the judge labeling Jason a slayer before even being arrested is highly prejudicial. You are right this is going to turn into a big mess.

[JD1974]

Jason has yet to be proved a slayer in any court, the only reason he was called one is not because it was proven but because he never responded to the suit.



Superior Court Judge Donald Stephens ruled Friday that because Young failed to respond to the civil complaint by his wife's mother, he conceded a civil judgment that holds him liable in Michelle Young's Nov. 3, 2006, death.

[JD1974]

Manning? ROTFLMAO!

Let's see that cat climb a tree, let alone a mountain.

Nite All.

MOO



So if he would of said it had a bearing on the trial, would he be held in a higher regard by you?

[5swab5]

So if he would of said it had a bearing on the trial, would he be held in a higher regard by you?


Nope,
I wouldn't pay any attention to that "dude", if it was a "jaywalking" infraction.

MOO

[Regina.Lampert]

http://www.minnpost.com/davedahl/2008/10/17/3913/video_report_whats_that_ring_around_the_moon

Somehow I just knew you would be the one to know about La Bella Luna!! :wink:

Wow, three years since this murder, that is almost unbelievable. I hope that Jason Young gets a little Christmas surprise in the form of an indictment. It's time, imo.

[annalyzer]

Somehow I just knew you would be the one to know about La Bella Luna!! :wink:

Wow, three years since this murder, that is almost unbelievable. I hope that Jason Young gets a little Christmas surprise in the form of an indictment. It's time, imo.


I kept saying, what are they waiting for, Christmas?

Guess they are. :unsure:

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Okay, but you have to agree, soon he is going to have to do something..even Kim told him to step up..

Kat

I think Kim's reaction speaks volumes. Even she does not like the way he has handled himself in the aftermath of Michelle's murder.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

She doesn't like the fact that he won't speak out. He reminded her he was doing what his attorney said to do. Now we hear he is talking about the murder to other people. I wonder if he has an idea who did this but won't say because of what hes been through. Maybe hes afraid he is wrong and people would ruin some other persons life.

Do what? I'm not familiar with what you are referring to.

[alter ego]

Civil judgment likely won't affect Young murder probe

Posted: 54 minutes ago

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4102020/

"Nothing that happened in this case, the civil judgment, declaring him the slayer, has any effect on any criminal proceeding at all," said local defense attorney Thomas Manning, who has nothing to do with the Young case.

hmmm. That's what Merri and I have been saying.

[Kat4Eagles]

I disagree. I have asked for links many times and get nothing.

I think you hold the JDI's more accountable than the JII's, thats the only difference.


JMO

Maybe cause the JDI's can't wait to give this guy the Death Penalty?
I would like to see more proof before that happens.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Somehow I just knew you would be the one to know about La Bella Luna!! :wink:

Wow, three years since this murder, that is almost unbelievable. I hope that Jason Young gets a little Christmas surprise in the form of an indictment. It's time, imo.


Hi Regina.....:seeya:
Long time since I have seen you.!!

Yep, its been 25 months here now.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

hmmm. That's what Merri and I have been saying.


Morning AE and everyone.

Yep, but that might be easier said than done.

:(

Kat

GJ Today???

[alter ego]

Doesn't change the FACT that Stephens is even more privy to info than Spivey!

Can't wait to hear the therapist's notes read in open court!

MOONo he's not. The Judge does not know the results of various testing performed. The judge does not know what witnesses declared outside of what was included in probable cause.

The judge is not privy to the investigative files.

So to say the judge is 'even more privy to info than Spivey', is simply not accurate.

Why would the therapist notes be read in open court?

[alter ego]

You are wrong.

Some of us have seen enough proof to convict. Thats our opinion and its allowed here.Then your requirements for proof are very low.

Opinions differing from yours are also allowed. Even if they include an alternate theory of the crime or a different perp.

[Kat4Eagles]

This is all the WE know. This may not be all that LE knows. Therefore, if the lead detective on the case gave an affidavit -- with all that he knows (way more than us) -- and said that JY took MY's life....guess what? I am inclined to believe the person who has more information than we do.

Then he needs to follow through with an indictment and an arrest, if he has all that.

Kat

[jerry50]

Did anyone watch Greta last night? She mentioned the WDS and the slayer decision by the judge.

[JD1974]

Rumor or fact, I don't know but it was posted here long ago and some of the posters here at the time were 'insiders' did not dispute it. They might have made excuses for it but didn't dispute it.



IIRC and I am sure someone will correct me if wrong. The actual gist of it was never retracted, only the part about her being arrested. I remember seeing that the only thing that had changed was she agreed to pay it back and therefore she wouldn't be prosecuted, NOT that she hadn't done it in the first place. Does anyone else remember that?

[JD1974]

No no no......some posters here know ALL the answers!!!


I feel left out because I have no answers, only questions. Everytime something breaks in this case I have more questions about what is going on down there. First when the damaging s/w was released I wondered why he hadn't been arrested, then realized this s/w was from a long time ago and the police actually could of found the answers to what they were looking for and the reason there wasn't an arrest was because it didn't fit in with Jason did it.

Now I have questions about how Tylenol could be used as a sedative and/or attempted murder weapon for Cassidy, I just find that idea preposterous and wonder how anyone could even think that, maybe to make Jason look worse? IMHO Cassidy had been sick and the medicine was kept in the bedroom so whomever had to get up in the night with her could retrieve it easily so she could go back to sleep. I have 6 children and I will tell you the god's honest truth that I have given my 8 year old adult Tylenol for a headache, and if you truly ask yourself the question most of us have given our children medication that wasn't "indicated" for their age ie: giving a 6 month old Children's Advil instead of Infant drops. It is based on weight, when you bring your child in for a fever they check the weight of your child to determine how much medication to give. Rapid release, that tells me again that whomever was giving her the medication when she was sick wanted her to be able to return to sleep quickly by relieving her symptoms faster, also could explain why it was an older childs dosage, they thought it would work quicker. Two working parents who have to wake early want to help a sick child get back to sleep ASAP.


I do understand the bad things that have came out, I do recognize them and don't gloss over them but I cannot go along with some of the stuff that people come up with just to make him look worse than he already does.

[annalyzer]

Then he needs to follow through with an indictment and an arrest, if he has all that.

Kat


Exactly. What is the holdup? Why is this case so complicated?

[JD1974]

WE, the collective WE, that you are so fond of referring to, DO NOT CARE!

Jason has been declared a SLAYER by an esteemed Judge in the good State of N.C.

IF that happened to me, I would HAVE to deal with it. WHY, since it is Jason...IS that distinction ignored?

Just Askin'

MOO

CPS: PLEASE Remove Cassidy ASAP from the murderer's mommies's den!


You seem to forget he was declared a slayer based on the fact that he didn't respond to the civil proceedings. What was the judge supposed to label him as... a jaywalker?

[annalyzer]

I feel left out because I have no answers, only questions. Everytime something breaks in this case I have more questions about what is going on down there. First when the damaging s/w was released I wondered why he hadn't been arrested, then realized this s/w was from a long time ago and the police actually could of found the answers to what they were looking for and the reason there wasn't an arrest was because it didn't fit in with Jason did it.

Now I have questions about how Tylenol could be used as a sedative and/or attempted murder weapon for Cassidy, I just find that idea preposterous and wonder how anyone could even think that, maybe to make Jason look worse? IMHO Cassidy had been sick and the medicine was kept in the bedroom so whomever had to get up in the night with her could retrieve it easily so she could go back to sleep. I have 6 children and I will tell you the god's honest truth that I have given my 8 year old adult Tylenol for a headache, and if you truly ask yourself the question most of us have given our children medication that wasn't "indicated" for their age ie: giving a 6 month old Children's Advil instead of Infant drops. It is based on weight, when you bring your child in for a fever they check the weight of your child to determine how much medication to give. Rapid release, that tells me again that whomever was giving her the medication when she was sick wanted her to be able to return to sleep quickly by relieving her symptoms faster, also could explain why it was an older childs dosage, they thought it would work quicker. Two working parents who have to wake early want to help a sick child get back to sleep ASAP.


I do understand the bad things that have came out, I do recognize them and don't gloss over them but I cannot go along with some of the stuff that people come up with just to make him look worse than he already does.


I also hardly think that Jason would carry multiple drugs into Cassidy's bedroom, over medicate her and then leave all the bottles sitting on her shelf. :unsure:

[JD1974]

I am not sure many of the JDI's thought it would affect the criminal case. For me, it just meant that the people who knew the most about the case -- the detective and judge -- obvioulsy believe he did it. So, that just solidified what many were thinking all along. And, I felt (apparently wrongly) that it might help the JII's realize that LE is pretty damn sure he did this and that your finger pointing at others and bashing of the victim's family might be in vain.

Now, if they could just put the finishing touches for an indictment, that would be nice.



Jason didn't even respond in civil court, he wasn't found "guilty" the judge had no choice but to decide in Linda's favor and use the slayer law. There are links all over the place that support this.

[JD1974]

This is all the WE know. This may not be all that LE knows. Therefore, if the lead detective on the case gave an affidavit -- with all that he knows (way more than us) -- and said that JY took MY's life....guess what? I am inclined to believe the person who has more information than we do.



Then please ask the detective this, since they have so much information that Jason committed this crime, why is he walking around a free man? Also you shouldn't always be so inclined to believe that just because an officer thinks someone committed a crime that they actually did commit said crime, ask the 100+ people who have been released thanks to the Innocence Project, I am sure the police were 100% sure they had committed the crime also.

[JD1974]

All that has been posted here is what has been published in the SW's. Jason made himself look bad, no one had to do that for him.

And if you really feel that you "can't go along with some of the stuff that people come up with".......why do you fall for every negative thing posted about Meredith......which are nothing but rumors by people who don't even know her!??

Can you answer that question??

At least we have the SW's and Jason's own words as fact.

You must have me confused with another poster, I don't talk about Meredith, matter of fact I don't think I even responded to the whole key argument at all. The only time I have mentioned her was earlier about the 911 call. So please find the poster you are really talking about and bring it up with them.

[JD1974]

Based on the evidence, the judge ruled Jason murdered Michelle. That is what the civil suit was about, not jaywalking. If there wasn't enough evidence to convince the civil court judge, he would have ruled that Jason was not Michelle's slayer, right?


WRONG Jason conceded the whole thing by not responding to the civil trial. Go to wral.com the judge or a spokesman flat out says the judge had no choice because Jason conceded.

[Kat4Eagles]

IIRC and I am sure someone will correct me if wrong. The actual gist of it was never retracted, only the part about her being arrested. I remember seeing that the only thing that had changed was she agreed to pay it back and therefore she wouldn't be prosecuted, NOT that she hadn't done it in the first place. Does anyone else remember that?


I wish I had been here then.
I don't understand why it is not still talked about.

If I had never seen it, I don't think I would have
had as many doubts about her, or found her webpage
or the 911 call so strange.

I even found a old post back then with someone trying to say it
was a M. Fisher from another state.!!!
Why the need to deflect?

Also, what does it mean in Raleigh Resident's post the day when this
supposedly happened when he/she
says they heard helicopters over the SC?

What is the SC?
:confused:

Kat

[JD1974]

I wish I had been here then.
I don't understand why it is not still talked about.

If I had never seen it, I don't think I would have
had as many doubts about her, or found her webpage
or the 911 call so strange.

I even found a old post back then with someone trying to say it
was a M. Fisher from another state.!!!
Why the need to deflect?

Also, what does it mean in Raleigh Resident's post the day when this
supposedly happened when he/she
says they heard helicopters over the SC?

What is the SC?
:confused:

Kat


Not sure Kat, it was all so long ago. I can't believe sometimes that the board is still going and still no arrest. Seems so sad to think about all the time that has gone by.

[JHP]

WRONG Jason conceded the whole thing by not responding to the civil trial. Go to wral.com the judge or a spokesman flat out says the judge had no choice because Jason conceded.

Don't you think if Jason were truly innocent he would have at least taken this civil suit seriously?

[JD1974]

You are absolutely right.


Superior Court Judge Donald Stephens ruled Friday that because Young failed to respond to the civil complaint by his wife's mother, he conceded a civil judgment that holds him liable in Michelle Young's Nov. 3, 2006, death.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4102020/


Thanks Bookie, it was a default judgement. When one side doesn't appear or make any motions the other side wins the suit automatically, as was in this case.

[JD1974]

Don't you think if Jason were truly innocent he would have at least taken this civil suit seriously?


Nope, no way whether I was innocent or guilty would I give a deposition that could be used to pick apart everything I said with a possible criminal trial looming over me.

[JD1974]

Poor Jason. :rolleyes:

The judge had no choice.

No reason to be snarky about it, someone said the judge had to use evidence and could of found him not guilty, I was just stating the fact that the judge literally had no choice but to side with Linda Fisher because Jason did not respond to the suit. It happens way more than you can imagine. If you ever get a speeding ticket, hope the officer that gave you the ticket isn't in court that day, you can get it thrown out by him/her not showing up...:biggrin:

[Lindsey]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lindsey
Rumor or fact, I don't know but it was posted here long ago and some of the posters here at the time were 'insiders' did not dispute it. They might have made excuses for it but didn't dispute it.

IIRC and I am sure someone will correct me if wrong. The actual gist of it was never retracted, only the part about her being arrested. I remember seeing that the only thing that had changed was she agreed to pay it back and therefore she wouldn't be prosecuted, NOT that she hadn't done it in the first place. Does anyone else remember that?

The post I was responding to when I wrote the above, was referring to the story about MF inviting JY to move in with her and she would watch CY while he worked.


You are correct in what you posted about the 'other' matter.

IMO

[JD1974]

So even him being labeled a slayer in a civil court means nothing to the JII's? Am I correct?

Just another piece of bad luck for Jason?



It doesn't personally mean anything to me either way, as I said when Jason didn't respond Linda automatically won the suit. There was no being found guilty or not guilty in this case. Now if he would of had a true civil case and was found guilty I would of course think that would mean something. This was a default judgement. Oh and btw I am not a JII I swing both ways on this case and besides I don't understand why anyone has to be lumped into a group because of their posts. There are plenty of red flags against Jason for me in this case actually.

[Lindsey]

I wish I had been here then.
I don't understand why it is not still talked about.

If I had never seen it, I don't think I would have
had as many doubts about her, or found her webpage
or the 911 call so strange.

I even found a old post back then with someone trying to say it
was a M. Fisher from another state.!!!
Why the need to deflect?

Also, what does it mean in Raleigh Resident's post the day when this
supposedly happened when he/she
says they heard helicopters over the SC?

What is the SC?
:confused:

Kat


Hey Kat,

I've tried to think of what SC stood for and the only thing I can come up with is he/she meant crime scene but transposed the letters .. typed SC instead of CS?
I'm stumped if that wasn't it.

[JD1974]

I wasn't getting snarky!! I just can't believe the excuses made for Jason in light of the recent warrants and the constant attempt to blame or implicate Meredith based on nothing.

I know you can get a ticket thrown out if the officer doesn't show......but we are talking murder accusations. Jason obviously has an awful lot to hide by not showing up.


Honestly as I have said before I should say usually instead of never bring Meredith up, I think you have me confused. I have never said she was the killer, I don't know yet who the killer is.

Of course murder is a more serious charge than a speeding ticket and since the penalities are much higher you would want to protect yourself even more, I know I would and I know even if I was innocent I wouldn't say a word. Except maybe a plea to find who did it, I wouldn't speak to police though and I would never go through a civil trial if there was a chance that I would maybe be going through a criminal trial. Everything you say can be used against you and when they say that they aren't joking around.

[Lindsey]

It doesn't personally mean anything to me either way, as I said when Jason didn't respond Linda automatically won the suit. There was no being found guilty or not guilty in this case. Now if he would of had a true civil case and was found guilty I would of course think that would mean something. This was a default judgement. Oh and btw I am not a JII I swing both ways on this case and besides I don't understand why anyone has to be lumped into a group because of their posts. There are plenty of red flags against Jason for me in this case actually.

Amen and Amen! Very well said. Thank you.

[JD1974]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lindsey
Rumor or fact, I don't know but it was posted here long ago and some of the posters here at the time were 'insiders' did not dispute it. They might have made excuses for it but didn't dispute it.



The post I was responding to when I wrote the above, was referring to the story about MF inviting JY to move in with her and she would watch CY while he worked.


You are correct in what you posted about the 'other' matter.

IMO


Oh sorry about that Lindsey, I misread what you were responding to. I do remember the email and staying with Meredith conversation though, that was a LONG time ago. I think I even remember who said it...

[Lindsey]

Oh sorry about that Lindsey, I misread what you were responding to. I do remember the email and staying with Meredith conversation though, that was a LONG time ago. I think I even remember who said it...

No problem. Your memory is right on with both topics.

IMO

[annalyzer]

All that has been posted here is what has been published in the SW's. Jason made himself look bad, no one had to do that for him.

And if you really feel that you "can't go along with some of the stuff that people come up with".......why do you fall for every negative thing posted about Meredith......which are nothing but rumors by people who don't even know her!??

Can you answer that question??

At least we have the SW's and Jason's own words as fact.

If she is innocent then she has nothing to worry about.

[Jester]

Silsbee, I've been reading with interest your comments that RPD is always correct with his information, and sometimes posts info a day before it is known by most people. You also refer to the early post RPD made about a M Fisher having embezzlement charges brought against that person. I think it is important to clarify that RPD also posted that his information was incorrect, stating that it was not the same M Fisher that we now know to be Meredith Fisher.

If we are to follow your reasoning that RPD is correct in all his information, then shouldn't we also accept that he retracted his comment about the embezzlement charges and clearly stated that the information he posted was not in any way associated with the Meredith Fisher that is Michelle's sister?

I suppose I'm a little confused about where you are getting the information that Meredith embezzled money. If it has anything to do with RPD, someone that you have said is always correct, then we must accept that he has said there have never been embezzlement charges against Michelle's sister. On what else are you basing your thoughts about embezzlement?

[MerriMent]

MF has given 3 conflicting statements. They have appeared in warrants. I just can't seem to trust someone that keeps changing their story. I think it took a lot for MM to admit the the affair. Yes I believe her.

I believe MM, too. Conflicting statements made to LE can be used in court and are far more damaging to Meredith than an affair with MM is to Jason.

[Jester]

Can someone please articulate the alleged three conflicting statements? Confused alluded to something yesterday, but it was by no means an example of three conflicting statements.

[JD1974]

Silsbee, I've been reading with interest your comments that RPD is always correct with his information, and sometimes posts info a day before it is known by most people. You also refer to the early post RPD made about a M Fisher having embezzlement charges brought against that person. I think it is important to clarify that RPD also posted that his information was incorrect, stating that it was not the same M Fisher that we now know to be Meredith Fisher.

If we are to follow your reasoning that RPD is correct in all his information, then shouldn't we also accept that he retracted his comment about the embezzlement charges and clearly stated that the information he posted was not in any way associated with the Meredith Fisher that is Michelle's sister?

I suppose I'm a little confused about where you are getting the information that Meredith embezzled money. If it has anything to do with RPD, someone that you have said is always correct, then we must accept that he has said there have never been embezzlement charges against Michelle's sister. On what else are you basing your thoughts about embezzlement?


Way back when, when this first broke it was Meredith would be arrested for embezzling from Cassidy's fund, then the next thing that came out was that no, that was wrong, she wouldn't be charged because she agreed to pay the money back. There never have been charges against her, we were told they were dropped because she agreed to pay the money back. Personally I have no idea if she did/didn't do it. I am just responding because I was around when it all happened and remember what happened.

[alter ego]

This is all the WE know. This may not be all that LE knows. Therefore, if the lead detective on the case gave an affidavit -- with all that he knows (way more than us) -- and said that JY took MY's life....guess what? I am inclined to believe the person who has more information than we do.
No, Spivey's affidavit did not contain 'all that he knows'.

The DA doesn't appear to believe there is sufficient evidence to sustain an indictment let alone a conviction. Don't you believe him?

[Jester]

Way back when, when this first broke it was Meredith would be arrested for embezzling from Cassidy's fund, then the next thing that came out was that no, that was wrong, she wouldn't be charged because she agreed to pay the money back. There never have been charges against her, we were told they were dropped because she agreed to pay the money back. Personally I have no idea if she did/didn't do it. I am just responding because I was around when it all happened and remember what happened.

I remember that the first reference to the embezzlement allegations were that the embezzlement charges were for someone else with the same last name, and same initial or first name as Meredith. The retraction was that it was not the Meredith that is Michelle's sister.

Later, there were crazy rumors about a fund set up for Cassidy, and additional allegations that Meredith was using the funds. When there were no charges, no proof, no evidence, no links, and no information to support those crazy rumors, whomever started them topped it off with a comment that they had been repaid so there would be no information available to anyone. That information was never anything more than rumor, and was certainly not associated with anything said by RPD, IIRC.

Now we have more crazy rumors, perhaps spawned by the same people, that Meredith was stealing from her employer. This would be the third rumor suggesting that Meredith is a thief, yet there is not one link, fact, or piece of evidence to support any of the rumors.

If you ask me, it sounds very much like someone is trying to slander her reputation. It reminds me of people that read her website, where she wrote that she was coming down off a high after her graduation, and some people chose to interpret that as drug use. The intent is clear, some people want to slander, or smear, Meredith's reputation so they can turn around and claim that she's probably also a murderer. These are the same people that first denied Jason's romantic relationship with Michelle Money, and later claimed that the affair does not represent motive in Michelle's murder. There seems to be an attempt to manufacture a pattern of theft against Meredith's character, so she can be connected to the staged robbery at the murder scene.

What I would like to see, prior to making that connection to the staged robbery, is one link, fact, connection, substantiating proof that any of the rumors and allegations about theft are true. Prior to that, I would have to say that this appears to be a straw house intended to obfuscate the evidence against the named slayer.

[Jester]

I see several posts on the previous page discussing three alleged conflicting stories presented by Meredith, but apparently no one can articulate these conflicting stories? On what is this discussion based? Imagination?

[annalyzer]

Did grand jury convene today?

[jerry50]

I see several posts on the previous page discussing three alleged conflicting stories presented by Meredith, but apparently no one can articulate these conflicting stories? On what is this discussion based? Imagination?


I wouldn't put too much stock in those rumors. Last week they were saying that there was no way Linda would prevail in her WDS suit after JY failed to respond. I believe that discussion went on for pages.

[Kat4Eagles]

Hey Kat,

I've tried to think of what SC stood for and the only thing I can come up with is he/she meant crime scene but transposed the letters .. typed SC instead of CS?
I'm stumped if that wasn't it.



Maybe it was for shopping center.?

And, the bank was in a strip mall..?

Kat

[Jester]

I wouldn't put too much stock in those rumors. Last week they were saying that there was no way Linda would prevail in her WDS suit after JY failed to respond. I believe that discussion went on for pages.

That certainly seems to be the correct position to take. As one poster admitted the other day, if Michelle had a brother, he would be targeted as well. I think that's as clear an admission as one can make regarding the intent to point fingers at the mourning family of the murder victim.

[TheRed]

I remember that the first reference to the embezzlement allegations were that the embezzlement charges were for someone else with the same last name, and same initial or first name as Meredith. The retraction was that it was not the Meredith that is Michelle's sister.

Later, there were crazy rumors about a fund set up for Cassidy, and additional allegations that Meredith was using the funds. When there were no charges, no proof, no evidence, no links, and no information to support those crazy rumors, whomever started them topped it off with a comment that they had been repaid so there would be no information available to anyone. That information was never anything more than rumor, and was certainly not associated with anything said by RPD, IIRC.

Now we have more crazy rumors, perhaps spawned by the same people, that Meredith was stealing from her employer. This would be the third rumor suggesting that Meredith is a thief, yet there is not one link, fact, or piece of evidence to support any of the rumors.

If you ask me, it sounds very much like someone is trying to slander her reputation. It reminds me of people that read her website, where she wrote that she was coming down off a high after her graduation, and some people chose to interpret that as drug use. The intent is clear, some people want to slander, or smear, Meredith's reputation so they can turn around and claim that she's probably also a murderer. These are the same people that first denied Jason's romantic relationship with Michelle Money, and later claimed that the affair does not represent motive in Michelle's murder. There seems to be an attempt to manufacture a pattern of theft against Meredith's character, so she can be connected to the staged robbery at the murder scene.

What I would like to see, prior to making that connection to the staged robbery, is one link, fact, connection, substantiating proof that any of the rumors and allegations about theft are true. Prior to that, I would have to say that this appears to be a straw house intended to obfuscate the evidence against the named slayer.


:thumbsup:

[Kat4Eagles]

That certainly seems to be the correct position to take. As one poster admitted the other day, if Michelle had a brother, he would be targeted as well. I think that's as clear an admission as one can make regarding the intent to point fingers at the mourning family of the murder victim.


No one is targeting anyone. :no:

As long as no one has been arrested, we get to do exactly as LE said.

Look at everyone close to Michelle.

Kat

[Silsbee]

IIRC and I am sure someone will correct me if wrong. The actual gist of it was never retracted, only the part about her being arrested. I remember seeing that the only thing that had changed was she agreed to pay it back and therefore she wouldn't be prosecuted, NOT that she hadn't done it in the first place. Does anyone else remember that?


That's what I remember too JD but then later they changed the story to mistaken identity.

Sils

[Kat4Eagles]

:I feel left out because I have no answers, only questions. Everytime something breaks in this case I have more questions about what is going on down there. First when the damaging s/w was released I wondered why he hadn't been arrested, then realized this s/w was from a long time ago and the police actually could of found the answers to what they were looking for and the reason there wasn't an arrest was because it didn't fit in with Jason did it.

Now I have questions about how Tylenol could be used as a sedative and/or attempted murder weapon for Cassidy, I just find that idea preposterous and wonder how anyone could even think that, maybe to make Jason look worse? IMHO Cassidy had been sick and the medicine was kept in the bedroom so whomever had to get up in the night with her could retrieve it easily so she could go back to sleep. I have 6 children and I will tell you the god's honest truth that I have given my 8 year old adult Tylenol for a headache, and if you truly ask yourself the question most of us have given our children medication that wasn't "indicated" for their age ie: giving a 6 month old Children's Advil instead of Infant drops. It is based on weight, when you bring your child in for a fever they check the weight of your child to determine how much medication to give. Rapid release, that tells me again that whomever was giving her the medication when she was sick wanted her to be able to return to sleep quickly by relieving her symptoms faster, also could explain why it was an older childs dosage, they thought it would work quicker. Two working parents who have to wake early want to help a sick child get back to sleep ASAP.


I do understand the bad things that have came out, I do recognize them and don't gloss over them but I cannot go along with some of the stuff that people come up with just to make him look worse than he already does.


:thumbup::thumbup:


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

That's what I remember too JD but then later they changed the story to mistaken identity.

Sils

I just want to know why, I am not trying to make a big thing out of it either.

When I asked questions here, I was told she needed the money and borrowed from the fund, and then made restitution..

That is exactly what I was told about the original charges.

:confused: Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Did grand jury convene today?



Almost 5:PM, maybe!!

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

LE told you to look at everyone?

Anyways............. looking is one thing, posting lies and slandering a a victims mother and sister is quite another.

Its very wrong and very low.
:no:


L E said they were looking at everyone, isn't that what an ongoing investigation is supposed to do?

I wasn't even here with those allegations were made, find the original poster....and deal with them.

I am allowed to ask questions about anyone close to Michelle, no one is accusing anyone of anything.
:no:

Kat

PS.We need a new thread!!

[Silsbee]

I feel left out because I have no answers, only questions. Everytime something breaks in this case I have more questions about what is going on down there. First when the damaging s/w was released I wondered why he hadn't been arrested, then realized this s/w was from a long time ago and the police actually could of found the answers to what they were looking for and the reason there wasn't an arrest was because it didn't fit in with Jason did it.

Now I have questions about how Tylenol could be used as a sedative and/or attempted murder weapon for Cassidy, I just find that idea preposterous and wonder how anyone could even think that, maybe to make Jason look worse? IMHO Cassidy had been sick and the medicine was kept in the bedroom so whomever had to get up in the night with her could retrieve it easily so she could go back to sleep. I have 6 children and I will tell you the god's honest truth that I have given my 8 year old adult Tylenol for a headache, and if you truly ask yourself the question most of us have given our children medication that wasn't "indicated" for their age ie: giving a 6 month old Children's Advil instead of Infant drops. It is based on weight, when you bring your child in for a fever they check the weight of your child to determine how much medication to give. Rapid release, that tells me again that whomever was giving her the medication when she was sick wanted her to be able to return to sleep quickly by relieving her symptoms faster, also could explain why it was an older childs dosage, they thought it would work quicker. Two working parents who have to wake early want to help a sick child get back to sleep ASAP.


I do understand the bad things that have came out, I do recognize them and don't gloss over them but I cannot go along with some of the stuff that people come up with just to make him look worse than he already does.

:thumbup: First I have to give you a thumbs up for 6 kids.

I recognize the bad stuff too JD. Unfortunately we only have one side so far and they still haven't been able to arrest him. SW's are used to find evidence and so far they haven't found what they need to convince a DA he can win this case when the evidence is presented to a jury.

That really floors me because after the first really damaging warrant came out I was ready to jump off the fence. But here I sit waiting.

Sils

[Kat4Eagles]

Alter Ego or anyone, any new theories on the keys?

Or, why L E thinks C was taken from the home?
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

:thumbup: First I have to give you a thumbs up for 6 kids.

I recognize the bad stuff too JD. Unfortunately we only have one side so far and they still haven't been able to arrest him. SW's are used to find evidence and so far they haven't found what they need to convince a DA he can win this case when the evidence is presented to a jury.

That really floors me because after the first really damaging warrant came out I was ready to jump off the fence. But here I sit waiting.

Sils

I agree, the s/w was devastating to say the least, I was ready to bail too, but something is not adding up.

You can not have all this against one person, and not be able to make an arrest, unless, you have something that also is working for him,
like.........

Time of Death

Something that proves he did not go back to Raleigh..

I guess my biggest problem is how long L E waited to do stuff.

13 months to go back to the home for deck boards, and as we saw in the last s/w how long it took them to go look at Michelle's car ..

Kat

[Silsbee]

So even him being labeled a slayer in a civil court means nothing to the JII's? Am I correct?

Just another piece of bad luck for Jason?

I'm not a JII. I like FS better. If it was based on evidence it would mean more.

Sils

FS - Fence Sitter

[Silsbee]

It doesn't personally mean anything to me either way, as I said when Jason didn't respond Linda automatically won the suit. There was no being found guilty or not guilty in this case. Now if he would of had a true civil case and was found guilty I would of course think that would mean something. This was a default judgement. Oh and btw I am not a JII I swing both ways on this case and besides I don't understand why anyone has to be lumped into a group because of their posts. There are plenty of red flags against Jason for me in this case actually.

I see those red flags too JD. But I still have a lot of questions too.

Sils

[Silsbee]

Silsbee, I've been reading with interest your comments that RPD is always correct with his information, and sometimes posts info a day before it is known by most people. You also refer to the early post RPD made about a M Fisher having embezzlement charges brought against that person. I think it is important to clarify that RPD also posted that his information was incorrect, stating that it was not the same M Fisher that we now know to be Meredith Fisher.

If we are to follow your reasoning that RPD is correct in all his information, then shouldn't we also accept that he retracted his comment about the embezzlement charges and clearly stated that the information he posted was not in any way associated with the Meredith Fisher that is Michelle's sister?

I suppose I'm a little confused about where you are getting the information that Meredith embezzled money. If it has anything to do with RPD, someone that you have said is always correct, then we must accept that he has said there have never been embezzlement charges against Michelle's sister. On what else are you basing your thoughts about embezzlement?

Wow, when did I say RPD is always correct?? I have never made that comment or said that he knew info before most people. I am at a loss as to where that came from. You must have me confused with someone else.

They way I remember it is that RPD posted that MF was going to be arrested on embezzlement charges. After it didn't happen he retracted what he said and posts were made saying that it was a misunderstanding and the money would be repaid. I don't recall if RPD made those statements. I am going off of memory so someone can correct me if they think I am wrong.

That discussion eventually died down and when the board came back around to that subject again (as the board discussions seem to go in circles) the new story was a case of mistaken identity. Another Meredith Fisher was being arrested for embezzlement not MY's sister. Some said the other MF lived in NC but then it changed to a different state. Why the need for so many different stories? Supposedly this was a huge investigation and all over the news but where are the news stories to back it up?

I have no agenda except to discuss the case and understand the facts as we know them. I merely pointed out during the first discussion a poster named RaleighResident that was well respected on the board backed up RPD's story. I have the post if anyone is interested. I don't know if I can post it on the board.

I don't know if the story is true but I have often wondered about it because of the conflicting stories and RR's defense of RPD's info. It doesn't help anyone's credibility to try to cover it up if it happened.

Sils

[Silsbee]

I remember that the first reference to the embezzlement allegations were that the embezzlement charges were for someone else with the same last name, and same initial or first name as Meredith. The retraction was that it was not the Meredith that is Michelle's sister.

Later, there were crazy rumors about a fund set up for Cassidy, and additional allegations that Meredith was using the funds. When there were no charges, no proof, no evidence, no links, and no information to support those crazy rumors, whomever started them topped it off with a comment that they had been repaid so there would be no information available to anyone. That information was never anything more than rumor, and was certainly not associated with anything said by RPD, IIRC.

Now we have more crazy rumors, perhaps spawned by the same people, that Meredith was stealing from her employer. This would be the third rumor suggesting that Meredith is a thief, yet there is not one link, fact, or piece of evidence to support any of the rumors.

If you ask me, it sounds very much like someone is trying to slander her reputation. It reminds me of people that read her website, where she wrote that she was coming down off a high after her graduation, and some people chose to interpret that as drug use. The intent is clear, some people want to slander, or smear, Meredith's reputation so they can turn around and claim that she's probably also a murderer. These are the same people that first denied Jason's romantic relationship with Michelle Money, and later claimed that the affair does not represent motive in Michelle's murder. There seems to be an attempt to manufacture a pattern of theft against Meredith's character, so she can be connected to the staged robbery at the murder scene.

What I would like to see, prior to making that connection to the staged robbery, is one link, fact, connection, substantiating proof that any of the rumors and allegations about theft are true. Prior to that, I would have to say that this appears to be a straw house intended to obfuscate the evidence against the named slayer.

The only story about embezzlement I remember being discussed has always originated from CY's fund.

JMO
Sils

[5swab5]

I also hardly think that Jason would carry multiple drugs into Cassidy's bedroom, over medicate her and then leave all the bottles sitting on her shelf. :unsure:

Not me, I never underestimate the stupidity of a double murderer.

MOO

[5swab5]

Nope, no way whether I was innocent or guilty would I give a deposition that could be used to pick apart everything I said with a possible criminal trial looming over me.

I'm glad other people feel differently.

My best friend's sister was murdered. Her entire family had to be questioned ad nauseum.

They did what a loving family does. Bit their tongues and bore it.

Because those 5 family members were cleared within hours, the real perp was caught. They did not waste LE's time, by getting lawyers or refusing to talk to them.

They CARED to see Justice for their loved one...unlike Jason Lynn Young.

Gotta be a reason for that IMO.

[5swab5]

No one is targeting anyone. :no:

As long as no one has been arrested, we get to do exactly as LE said.

Look at everyone close to Michelle.

Kat

EXCEPT the lying, cheating, philandering husband...you mean?

MOO

[5swab5]

That's what I remember too JD but then later they changed the story to mistaken identity.

Sils

Nobody ever changed anything, that I know of.

Yes, there was a retraction.

Ya gotta remember that things were coming in fast and furious.

There WAS a gal named Meredith that was indicted in Raleigh, who worked at a restaurant. An illogical leap was made and MANY people assigned the acts of another to Meredith F.

MOO

ETA: At that time, the embezzlement was getting equal time on the news with Michelle & Rylan's murders.

[gbmy]

I would like to take a shot at this, Brevard,
but, first Sils, I am so glad you are back !!

I know I am mean and insensitive to LF an MF's pain,
but for almost 2 years, I have questioned how
anyone can think someone murdered their daughter
and continue to let their granddaughter or niece live with them.!!

No one ever has an answer...
LF was privvy to much more knowledge probably than we
ever have.

And, still did nothing.

From the very beginning, the child was labeled as a potential
witness, the child was left alone with her dead mother,
and now we find out the child may have been drugged.

So, what does the grandmother do?,
Not fly into NC and demand
a emergency custody hearing or removal of the child from her father
in fear of her safety,

What does she do?

She files a wrongful death suit to collect money, whether for her
or C, it is about money..

Whether to keep Jason from it, or whatever reason, she files
a civil suit.

Nothing about the child's welfare.

If Jason killed Michelle, and I have had a good 24 hours to think
and rethink my position, I don't even know the guy, but if he did,
I find myself hating him for the first time, and feeling somewhat
foolish for defending him...

I can live with that and the opinions of people from a Message Board.

I still would have never sold out to be a JDI, never.

But, there still has to be that indictment and an arrest..and, for some reason ,that is not easy to get, so it leaves me with still some doubts.

But, please do not tell me how to react to a granddaughter who could be in danger if Jason killed Michelle
The walls are closing in, and
C could be in more danger than ever.

Now, the other reasons for not being able to identify with LF and MF, may be more superficial, and based on internet rumors, so, I will just wait for that to come out.

But, of course I feel bad they lost their daughter and sister, anyone would, but their non~action to do anything about C, causes
me more to question their thinking.

And, on another note, I am not even going to pretend I know all that is involved with the will , life insurance, and/or guardianship.

Completely over my head, out of my field.

And, lastly, one of the bottles of medicine I saw in the s/w does not even look like it was opened...


JMO

Kat

Kat, very, very well said. And, I've been bothered by the same thing. I also wrestle with the thoughts of feeling foolish for defending JY should it turn out he did this, however, that is offset by the good feelings I have about defending someone who has not been charged with any kind of a crime (after 2 years).....and, has continued to father his daughter as a single Dad....Sure, he had help from his mom, but it's still not easy.

[Cardinal]

Okay, I went googling to see if I could find a news report of Meredith embezzling funds. I didn't. But I did find something interesting:

http://www.topix.net/forum/city/raleigh-nc/TPARI863OPL3J66GN/p6

Scroll down to the post by "a friend of Jasons" on Dec 8. He refers to "rumors flying around Raleigh". Is this the source of the whole thing, rather than facts?

Just asking.

[Cardinal]

I'm not a JII. I like FS better. If it was based on evidence it would mean more.

Sils

FS - Fence Sitter

FS - I like it!

One of the things that bothers me about this case is the determination to categorize the posters who follow it. I think there are several of us who, while we form opinions based on what we know at the moment, are willing to wait until the whole story is known to reach a final conclusion.

So I guess I'm an FS too.

[annalyzer]

Okay, I went googling to see if I could find a news report of Meredith embezzling funds. I didn't. But I did find something interesting:

http://www.topix.net/forum/city/raleigh-nc/TPARI863OPL3J66GN/p6

Scroll down to the post by "a friend of Jasons" on Dec 8. He refers to "rumors flying around Raleigh". Is this the source of the whole thing, rather than facts?

Just asking.


Pretty sad that over two years later we're all still pondering and wondering and speculating over the same stuff.

[Cardinal]

I never saw that post before. That isn't the one that was here.

I never did either, and I didn't think it was the one posted here - although I wasn't here at the time.

But the way it was posted on that forum is really interesting, don't you think? It's prefaced with "what would you say if I told you". Which is a strangely familiar preface for some reason.

Anyway, it makes me think someone was......I don't know......throwing things out there to see what would stick, maybe? Or maybe someone was trying to undermine Meredith's credibility?

Regardless, I didn't find any facts in my google search to substantiate the rumors about Meredith. If someone has any facts, I would really like to see them.


ETA: I'd also be really interested in knowing the date of the post here, versus the Dec 8 date on the forum I linked. Does anyone have that information?

[Cardinal]

Pretty sad that over two years later we're all still pondering and wondering and speculating over the same stuff.

I agree, Anna. Wouldn't you think that, at the very least, the DA would take pity on us and make a move?

[annalyzer]

I never did either, and I didn't think it was the one posted here - although I wasn't here at the time.

But the way it was posted on that forum is really interesting, don't you think? It's prefaced with "what would you say if I told you". Which is a strangely familiar preface for some reason.

Anyway, it makes me think someone was......I don't know......throwing things out there to see what would stick, maybe? Or maybe someone was trying to undermine Meredith's credibility?

Regardless, I didn't find any facts in my google search to substantiate the rumors about Meredith. If someone has any facts, I would really like to see them.

Here is another place people were talking about it.

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=7142

[Leanne Weich]

No he's not. The Judge does not know the results of various testing performed. The judge does not know what witnesses declared outside of what was included in probable cause.

The judge is not privy to the investigative files.

So to say the judge is 'even more privy to info than Spivey', is simply not accurate.

Why would the therapist notes be read in open court?

Didn't he hear from the therapist in camera before ordering her therapy notes to be released?

[Cardinal]

Here is another place people were talking about it.

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=7142

LOL Now that's some googling, Anna!

Interesting, though, that it's presented as "cyber gossip" and there's a later post stating that the original poster may have been premature in posting it.

I'd really like to know how this story got started and whether or not there's any truth to it, wouldn't you?

[Cardinal]

Didn't he hear from the therapist in camera before ordering her therapy notes to be released?

I believe so, Leanne.

http://www.newsobserver.com/1413/story/545932.html

[Leanne Weich]

Then please ask the detective this, since they have so much information that Jason committed this crime, why is he walking around a free man? Also you shouldn't always be so inclined to believe that just because an officer thinks someone committed a crime that they actually did commit said crime, ask the 100+ people who have been released thanks to the Innocence Project, I am sure the police were 100% sure they had committed the crime also.

It is not up to the Detective, the DA has the last say as to when to take this to the GJ. It happens very often that the LEOs feel they have enough for a matter to go to Court and the DA wants just a little more. I don't know if DAs are appointed or elected but, if the former, maybe the DA is being over cautious at this point in time. Having a former DA and an ADA in my family, I've seen this happen multiple times and even seen and heard huge arguments between them as to when a case is ready to go to trial. My uncle was a DA and his wife was his ADA and I can tell you that the closest they ever came to a divorce was over when to arrest a serial murderer. My uncle was overly cautious whereas my aunt who was correct I believe, was more than happy to go long before the SOB and his girlfriend both committed suicide at the end of a long car chase by LE. The bodies of the teenage girls he kidnapped and murdered have never been found even though the perp's son came forward and confirmed his father was guilty and later landed up in prison for rape himself.

[annalyzer]

LOL Now that's some googling, Anna!

Interesting, though, that it's presented as "cyber gossip" and there's a later post stating that the original poster may have been premature in posting it.

I'd really like to know how this story got started and whether or not there's any truth to it, wouldn't you?

Notice it says "according to the leaker" and then goes on to describe how many blows to Michelle's head this same cyber person related? We know who that is.

[5swab5]

Kat, very, very well said. And, I've been bothered by the same thing. I also wrestle with the thoughts of feeling foolish for defending JY should it turn out he did this, however, that is offset by the good feelings I have about defending someone who has not been charged with any kind of a crime (after 2 years).....and, has continued to father his daughter as a single Dad....Sure, he had help from his mom, but it's still not easy.

Did you perhaps miss the photo-op of Jason dangling a terrified Cassidy over a rail in Puerto Rico, so he would have something to put up on a dating site?

[Cardinal]

Notice it says "according to the leaker" and then goes on to describe how many blows to Michelle's head this same cyber person related? We know who that is.

I think the "leaker" was identified later on the page. My question is, where did he get his information? I can't find anything about it, other than rumors on forums. Did the "leaker" get his information from a rumor?

[5swab5]

Here is another place people were talking about it.

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=7142


TOO bad that it isn't against TOS to post a link to one of the vilest places on the net.

MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

Okay, I went googling to see if I could find a news report of Meredith embezzling funds. I didn't. But I did find something interesting:

http://www.topix.net/forum/city/raleigh-nc/TPARI863OPL3J66GN/p6

Scroll down to the post by "a friend of Jasons" on Dec 8. He refers to "rumors flying around Raleigh". Is this the source of the whole thing, rather than facts?

Just asking.


Nice find, I don't have time to read it all, but I saved it, thank you, Card.

The one thing I noticed though is that people were optimistic
about something going to happen right after Thanksgiving of 2006.!

If they only knew.......

:(

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

TOO bad that it isn't against TOS to post a link to one of the vilest places on the net.


MOO

That's how some of us feel when certain blogs get listed here too.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Here is another place people were talking about it.

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=7142



Wow, so this was posted back in Dec.2006.
So, a lot of sites ran with it , most have been a big thing afterall.
Hmmm.
Kat

[annalyzer]

TOO bad that it isn't against TOS to post a link to one of the vilest places on the net.

MOO


Yeah too bad.

I have no idea what kind of place it is as I've never posted there.

[Hey Paula]

I believe so, Leanne.

http://www.newsobserver.com/1413/story/545932.html

I keep thinking about the SW re JY's internet searches, particularly "Gay Bars in NY". Since KJS's specialty is transgender issues, I wonder if that is what Michelle discussed with this therapist? Did Michelle learn something about JY which he had kept secret?

About Kimball Jane Sargent:

http://www.genderjourney.com/About/Kimball/tabid/220/Default.aspx

[JHP]

I keep thinking about the SW re JY's internet searches, particularly "Gay Bars in NY". Since KJS's specialty is transgender issues, I wonder if that is what Michelle discussed with this therapist? Did Michelle learn something about JY which he had kept secret?

About Kimball Jane Sargent:

http://www.genderjourney.com/About/Kimball/tabid/220/Default.aspx

Very interesting, thank-you Hey Paula. Maybe Michelle, besides getting a divorce would have outed him. I wonder if her friend Rhett had any information?

[gbmy]

Did you perhaps miss the photo-op of Jason dangling a terrified Cassidy over a rail in Puerto Rico, so he would have something to put up on a dating site?

I remember a photo. I personally didn't perceive CY as being terrified or being 'dangled' over a rail by her Dad. But, I can appreciate 2 people looking at the same photo and seeing 2 different things.

[Hey Paula]

Very interesting, thank-you Hey Paula. Maybe Michelle, besides getting a divorce would have outed him. I wonder if her friend Rhett had any information?

Hi JHP!

The judge apparently believed the therapist's notes were so relevant to Michelle's murder that she was ordered to release them. Because info a patient discloses to their therapist is privileged, it is unusual for a judge to order its release. I think whatever Michelle related to Ms Sargent might be viewed as a motive for her murder.

If JY had transgender issues, Michelle might not have shared that info with anyone except the therapist.

IMO

[5swab5]

I remember a photo. I personally didn't perceive CY as being terrified or being 'dangled' over a rail by her Dad. But, I can appreciate 2 people looking at the same photo and seeing 2 different things.

I respect your opinion.

NOTHING that Jason Lynn Young EVER does, doesn't have another innocent slant on it.

MOO

Little SLAYER that he is!

[kingbuff]

Hi JHP!

The judge apparently believed the therapist's notes were so relevant to Michelle's murder that she was ordered to release them. Because info a patient discloses to their therapist is privileged, it is unusual for a judge to order its release. I think whatever Michelle related to Ms Sargent might be viewed as a motive for her murder.

If JY had transgender issues, Michelle might not have shared that info with anyone except the therapist.

IMO

Do you think it possible Michelle was the one with TG issues? Not saying she did. Is that something the judge would have ordered releashed as a possible motive?

[kingbuff]

I keep thinking about the SW re JY's internet searches, particularly "Gay Bars in NY". Since KJS's specialty is transgender issues, I wonder if that is what Michelle discussed with this therapist? Did Michelle learn something about JY which he had kept secret?

About Kimball Jane Sargent:

http://www.genderjourney.com/About/Kimball/tabid/220/Default.aspx

You have any information about which computer was used to search for gay bars? What I'm asking is, did anyone else have access to that computer? Do you know any way the police could tell who searched for the bars?

[Hey Paula]

Do you think it possible Michelle was the one with TG issues? Not saying she did. Is that something the judge would have ordered releashed as a possible motive?

Since JY searched "gay bars in NY", I think he might be the one who possibly had TG issues.

[annalyzer]

Do you think it possible Michelle was the one with TG issues? Not saying she did. Is that something the judge would have ordered releashed as a possible motive?


Not hardly. :glare:

[JD1974]

So, the judge doesn't have to look at the evidence AT ALL? So, I could hypothetically file a civil suit against you and have my evidence be that "it came to me in a dream" and if you don't respond, I win?

JMO, but 99% of the time, if someone is innocent...they defend themselves.



Exactly right, if you filed suit against me and I never responded you would automatically win. Why does the judge have to look at anything if there is NO ONE there to argue the other side. My sister was a claims collector, when they would bring someone to court, if the other party didn't show they automatically won the suit. I don't understand why this is so hard to understand on wral.com it states the exact same thing I have been stating.

[JD1974]

Did anyone ever say who accused Meredith of stealing from the fund? Who would have information like that? If I remember right, Meredith's mother was in charge of the fund, and it was money people donated to Cassie's education? Did you think Meredith's mother accused her of stealing and then dropped the charges? You think she called the police and then changed her mind?



All I remember is that it was breaking news that she would be arrested for embezzlement. I would think it would be more like someone else noticed something wrong and reported it and since Linda was in charge of the fund she could of easily said she would not file charges if the money was paid back.

[JD1974]

I remember that the first reference to the embezzlement allegations were that the embezzlement charges were for someone else with the same last name, and same initial or first name as Meredith. The retraction was that it was not the Meredith that is Michelle's sister.

Later, there were crazy rumors about a fund set up for Cassidy, and additional allegations that Meredith was using the funds. When there were no charges, no proof, no evidence, no links, and no information to support those crazy rumors, whomever started them topped it off with a comment that they had been repaid so there would be no information available to anyone. That information was never anything more than rumor, and was certainly not associated with anything said by RPD, IIRC.

Now we have more crazy rumors, perhaps spawned by the same people, that Meredith was stealing from her employer. This would be the third rumor suggesting that Meredith is a thief, yet there is not one link, fact, or piece of evidence to support any of the rumors.

If you ask me, it sounds very much like someone is trying to slander her reputation. It reminds me of people that read her website, where she wrote that she was coming down off a high after her graduation, and some people chose to interpret that as drug use. The intent is clear, some people want to slander, or smear, Meredith's reputation so they can turn around and claim that she's probably also a murderer. These are the same people that first denied Jason's romantic relationship with Michelle Money, and later claimed that the affair does not represent motive in Michelle's murder. There seems to be an attempt to manufacture a pattern of theft against Meredith's character, so she can be connected to the staged robbery at the murder scene.

What I would like to see, prior to making that connection to the staged robbery, is one link, fact, connection, substantiating proof that any of the rumors and allegations about theft are true. Prior to that, I would have to say that this appears to be a straw house intended to obfuscate the evidence against the named slayer.


I have no idea if she is a thief or not. No idea if she stole from her employer and I certainly never started any of the stories about it. I do think you have it wrong about who said she was embezzling from Cassidy's trust though and I know for a fact it came out on this board that she would not be charged because she was paying it back. I have no idea if it is even true, I am just stating what was stated on this board almost 2 years ago.

[JD1974]

That's what I remember too JD but then later they changed the story to mistaken identity.

Sils


That is how I remember it also, the mistaken identity came out AFTER the announcement that no indictment would be handed down because she agreed to pay it back.

[kingbuff]

All I remember is that it was breaking news that she would be arrested for embezzlement. I would think it would be more like someone else noticed something wrong and reported it and since Linda was in charge of the fund she could of easily said she would not file charges if the money was paid back.

I finally looked up the definition of embezzle. It's not the same as steal, but is harder to spell. My question is, if Meredith were arrested for embezzlement, why is that important in the murder case? I don't think that would be motive for murder. But if she were to try to gain custody of Cassidy, I think her background would be important.

[Kat4Eagles]

I remember a photo. I personally didn't perceive CY as being terrified or being 'dangled' over a rail by her Dad. But, I can appreciate 2 people looking at the same photo and seeing 2 different things.

Hi Gbmy.
Welcome back.
C looks tired and cranky, not exactly the kind of pic that would draw chicks in.
Kat

[JD1974]

So, then what about all the posters who said the judge could throw out the civil suit?


Hey can you link one single civil suit that was thrown out because the other party didn't show up? It may have been able to be thrown out if Jason actually replied to the suit, that I don't know. I do know that every person who has talked about the WDS has said the judge really had no choice but to rule in favor of Linda because Jason conceded, so are they all lying? No offense but I would believe lawyers in the state of NC over message board posters anyday.


Here is the reason Jason was declared the slayer..


Superior Court Judge Donald Stephens ruled Friday that because Young failed to respond to the civil complaint by his wife's mother, he conceded a civil judgment that holds him liable in Michelle Young's Nov. 3, 2006, death. http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4102020/


No comments on if Jason really did it, there was no trial, it was a default judgement that the judge had no choice but to order. I am not sure there is a way to spin plain english.

[kingbuff]

Hi Gbmy.
Welcome back.
C looks tired and cranky, not exactly the kind of pic that would draw chicks in.
Kat

How did it work out for Michael Jackson?

[JD1974]

You have any information about which computer was used to search for gay bars? What I'm asking is, did anyone else have access to that computer? Do you know any way the police could tell who searched for the bars?


I still think Rhett searched or someone did the search for Rhett.

[Kat4Eagles]

All I remember is that it was breaking news that she would be arrested for embezzlement. I would think it would be more like someone else noticed something wrong and reported it and since Linda was in charge of the fund she could of easily said she would not file charges if the money was paid back.


I can't believe I missed this.

I know I read it was 9 counts, how do you make a mistake 9 times?

Kat

[5swab5]

Do you think it possible Michelle was the one with TG issues? Not saying she did. Is that something the judge would have ordered releashed as a possible motive?

As opposed to the lying, cheating, philandering HUSBAND, that according to SWs was looking up "gay" bars for each of his vacation destinations?

Good Luck with that.

MOO

[Hey Paula]

It was breaking "gossip", never was newsworthy. Trust me. I was posting here as soon as initial story broke, as a matter of fact, I may have been the third or fourth poster on the thread when it was started back in Nov. of 2006.

At that time, no one knew anything and it was even questioned if the sister and husband were in it together, but as more info came out, it was obvious that Meredith was only involved because she was sent there by Jason.

Its a shame that all of those initial posts are gone. I often wish I could go back and read from the beginning. There was a lot of good discussion then by all sides. Lots of people were posting that were friends, neighbors, etc....... so we had a much better insight. Most likely, that is why some of us who were here from the beginning are so reluctant to buy into some of the crazy theories posted here.

It was much different than it is now. I know a lot of those initial posters keep in touch with us on other boards, or via private emails, but are afraid to post here anymore.

I recall when it was first posted too. It was almost immediately retracted (within a day or so, I think). IIRC, the poster apologized for having posted it due to having been given inaccurate info.

[Jester]

I can't believe I missed this.

I know I read it was 9 counts, how do you make a mistake 9 times?

Kat

Are you suggesting that there are nine allegations of theft against Meredith? Shall be make it fifty and call it a day?

[JD1974]

It WAS stated here and it was retracted. Someone passed bogus info to a trusted poster. Obviously, at that time, all avenues were being explored by all posters here, so a lot believed it, initially I did. But, it turned out to be another of the many lies posted to rile up the board. I guess thats when all the crazy stories started and sides were chosen.


It wasn't retracted, it was reworded. First she was going to be indicted, then it changed to no she was paying it back so no indictment, THEN it was someone totally different.

[JD1974]

Poor Rhett, poor Meredith. Jason beat Michelle to death and the two of them are slandered daily on a message board.



How is that slander???? LOL Rhett is a gay man, the search was for gay bars...

[kingbuff]

Hey can you link one single civil suit that was thrown out because the other party didn't show up? It may have been able to be thrown out if Jason actually replied to the suit, that I don't know. I do know that every person who has talked about the WDS has said the judge really had no choice but to rule in favor of Linda because Jason conceded, so are they all lying? No offense but I would believe lawyers in the state of NC over message board posters anyday.


Here is the reason Jason was declared the slayer..


Superior Court Judge Donald Stephens ruled Friday that because Young failed to respond to the civil complaint by his wife's mother, he conceded a civil judgment that holds him liable in Michelle Young's Nov. 3, 2006, death. http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4102020/


No comments on if Jason really did it, there was no trial, it was a default judgement that the judge had no choice but to order. I am not sure there is a way to spin plain english.

I'm not sure concede is the right word. My impression is Jason just refused to be interrogated. Did you see Cooper's 7-hour interrogation? That wasn't justice--that was torture. Would you put yourself through that? I would tell the woman to take whatever she wanted before I would sit through that.

[5swab5]

Hi Gbmy.
Welcome back.
C looks tired and cranky, not exactly the kind of pic that would draw chicks in.
Kat

You could be right. Of course, I don't know what was underneath that railing. Crocodiles? Sharks? TROLLS?

YET, Jason uses one of the MOST flattering pics ever taken of HIM...to "chum" on the net for chicks.

IF that isn't exploitation, I don't know what is!

Poor, poor Cassidy!

MOO

[JD1974]

I'm not sure concede is the right word. My impression is Jason just refused to be interrogated. Did you see Cooper's 7-hour interrogation? That wasn't justice--that was torture. Would you put yourself through that? I would tell the woman to take whatever she wanted before I would sit through that.


I know! No money is worth that, that made me shiver and I wasn't being interrogated

[Jester]

I'm not sure concede is the right word. My impression is Jason just refused to be interrogated. Did you see Cooper's 7-hour interrogation? That wasn't justice--that was torture. Would you put yourself through that? I would tell the woman to take whatever she wanted before I would sit through that.

Apparently Jason thinks just like you do, and did just that. That's about $143,000 an hour he passed up so he wouldn't be tortured with words. What a guy!

[kingbuff]

As opposed to the lying, cheating, philandering HUSBAND, that according to SWs was looking up "gay" bars for each of his vacation destinations?

Good Luck with that.

MOO

I don't know why you are so hateful toward Michelle's husband. But I'm glad you have the right to bash anyone you want to on a board. You seem to think no one else had access to that computer. Was Jason the one who spent so much time in New York? I thought that was Michelle, Meredith, Linda.