Celebrities and their handlers (bodyguards)

[GeeLois]

Usually whenever the Justice System interacts with Celebrities, floating in the background are the actions of the celebrity’s handlers. In almost all cases, they are there to protect the life, privacy and dignity of the client. But, there can be a dark side to the actions of handlers as well. Usually we get little glimpses of what they do when the interactions reach the litigation phase in testimony. We have seen this time and time again like in Lady Di’s tragic death, OJ’s first trial, famous male and female singers and actors who imbibe too much. We have also heard this in Harvey Phillip Spector’s first trial. We can only catch snippets and little chunks of testimony. His regular limo driver was just such a handler/bodyguard. When Phil got a little too drunk and domineering, he would be hustled away. If he pulled a gun as he is inclined to do, poof, off he would be whisked away and the handlers and publicists would smooth things out. He has been doing this for 30 years and has gotten very used to it. Let others clean up after him, after all, he is the famous creator of the “Wall of Sound” and equates himself with Galileo.

On the morning of February 3, 2003, his designated handler was not able to provide this service and there was a substitute driver, Adriano DeSousa who knew nothing of the “little” extra service required to take care of Mr. Spector. Phil, in his state, did his gun show, but this time, went too far and pulled the trigger. Oops, time for me to get my “handler”. He opened the back door and tells his handler, “I think I just killed someone”. Upon seen Mr. DeSousa, realizes his mistake and retreats back inside to do his pathetic job at attempting to “clean up” after himself. Of course he does not call 911; he has some work to do.

The reader must understand that this is my interpretation of what I heard during Spector #1 and of other interactions between Celebrities and the Justice System and are not facts in this case.

GeeLois

[My 2 Cents]

Usually whenever the Justice System interacts with Celebrities, floating in the background are the actions of the celebrity’s handlers. In almost all cases, they are there to protect the life, privacy and dignity of the client. But, there can be a dark side to the actions of handlers as well. Usually we get little glimpses of what they do when the interactions reach the litigation phase in testimony. We have seen this time and time again like in Lady Di’s tragic death, OJ’s first trial, famous male and female singers and actors who imbibe too much. We have also heard this in Harvey Phillip Spector’s first trial. We can only catch snippets and little chunks of testimony. His regular limo driver was just such a handler/bodyguard. When Phil got a little too drunk and domineering, he would be hustled away. If he pulled a gun as he is inclined to do, poof, off he would be whisked away and the handlers and publicists would smooth things out. He has been doing this for 30 years and has gotten very used to it. Let others clean up after him, after all, he is the famous creator of the “Wall of Sound” and equates himself with Galileo.

On the morning of February 3, 2003, his designated handler was not able to provide this service and there was a substitute driver, Adriano DeSousa who knew nothing of the “little” extra service required to take care of Mr. Spector. Phil, in his state, did his gun show, but this time, went too far and pulled the trigger. Oops, time for me to get my “handler”. He opened the back door and tells his handler, “I think I just killed someone”. Upon seen Mr. DeSousa, realizes his mistake and retreats back inside to do his pathetic job at attempting to “clean up” after himself. Of course he does not call 911; he has some work to do.

The reader must understand that this is my interpretation of what I heard during Spector #1 and of other interactions between Celebrities and the Justice System and are not facts in this case.

GeeLois
WOW, that gave me chills. I think you just summed the situation up perfectly. I think AJ should include some of what you just said in his closing arguments. I always wondered why Spector came out and said that to ADS (except for the fact that he's in a state of shock and now realizing that this time he went too far). You totally just painted a picture for me that clears all of that up. . . .THANKS.

[Jayne]

WOW, that gave me chills. I think you just summed the situation up perfectly. I think AJ should include some of what you just said in his closing arguments. I always wondered why Spector came out and said that to ADS (except for the fact that he's in a state of shock and now realizing that this time he went too far). You totally just painted a picture for me that clears all of that up. . . .THANKS.

ITA...It was a good example of PS and the DOCTRINE OF CHANCE..as to be applied to PS's behaviour that morning..NOT just in how he used guns, against women he didn't want to leave or wanted to control, who was essentially an Accident waiting to happen..but also..nicely written by GeeLois...the very fact that he opened the door, said what he did to a "servant/driver", I'd say is something indeed AJ can include..(in closing..since the facts were brought out - right? you heard them!)..in his DOCTRINE OF CHANCE...all part of PS's (habits, modus operandi, relying on his employees to "get him out of trouble or cover up his "messes").

Interesting..wonder if they'll (prosecution) "chance it" (PUN intended!)

:)

[bearwds]

GEELOIS

Good Post and exactly what I've always thought happened. Good summary.

Can you imagine the horror when he realized he had just confessed..??

I would like to hear from some of his past bodyguards as to conduct and behavior. They must have been deposed at some point. Would a non-disclosure contract supercede a subpoena..?? Don't recall anyone digging into this. Just as relevant as PBA's.


bearwds

[Jayne]

GEELOIS

Good Post and exactly what I've always thought happened. Good summary.

Can you imagine the horror when he realized he had just confessed..??

I would like to hear from some of his past bodyguards as to conduct and behavior. They must have been deposed at some point. Would a non-disclosure contract supercede a subpoena..?? Don't recall anyone digging into this. Just as relevant as PBA's.


bearwds

Exactly...

and I could see this trial drawn out longer..but perhaps for good reason...doctrine of chance..Phil always relied on his employees..to bail him out..whisk him off in the middle of a possible "problem"..walk along side him...make excuses..

That would indeed back up the ADS thing..Phil didn't REMEMBER he had ADS as his driver..he thought it was his "usual" GonnaFixItUpGuy at the wheel of his Mercedes (or whatever it was)..

Just another of ol Phil's MOs..guns..women..being in control..looking for "mamma/security/employee" to FIX IT all for him.

I think I killed someone..COME FIX IT...get in here right now..clean it up..do something.

BUT NO..it was ADS..big mistake PS...cried "wolf" to the wrong person...that time..

So...he went back inside and did his "best" to "fix things"..whilst..ADS was scrambling..never having experienced PS like this or knowing what to do and having this "I think I killed someone" in his mind..and not having been the Usual Driver..called Michelle..for the Address..then SMART as he was..went to the gate to get the Address when he called 911..then spoke like anyone would "I think my boss killed someone"..or whatever his actual words were... THINK he'd say "I think I killed someone"..NAH..he was reporting the situation..

MAN..how dumb are people these days..and jurors? I hope they are smart enough and have enough command of the English language as ADS did to GET IT.

I guess maybe I'm a bit dumb or stupid? But if there were an emergency..I'd call 911 AND make it as brief and sucinct as possible..MY HOUSE IS ON FIRE..or I THINK MY BOSS KILLED SOMEBODY..instead of taking minutes of prefacing what I saw, heard, thought...then if they want to Chat with me..OK..problem is..as I remember from PS1..the 911 operator had more problems with English and hearing than ADS did.

jmo

J

[tartangirl]

GeeLois,

This is a great post and I apologise for not replying sooner. The good and much needed news from a new poster on another thread on this PS2 board was enough to keep me busy yesterday.

I have had this conversation with friends since the first time ADS testified. Your words bring it all together into a nice neat little packaged puzzle.

When another poster referred to PS crying "wolf" to the wrong person this time...I see it as him crying "wolf" to the right person this time. ADS an upright and good man,who can and does think on his feet, did all the right things that an innocent and decent person does in this situation. It was meant to be that he was the driver that night.

I also wonder if the other driver had been on duty if PS would have had all of that booze in his system? Would he have been discouraged in his invitation to anyone for a drink back at his home after the big night out? Would that driver or body guard have given a "high sign" to the young lady to say NO to the invitation?

Most of us do not have a handler, we rely on our own personal moral compass to get us through any given day. Money can only buy you so much time when it comes to bad, immoral or illegal behavior. As much as I feel it was meant to be that Adriano De Souza was the driver that night, I deeply wish that it had not been in the stars for Lana, or any woman, to be alone with him in that castle.


~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[Jayne]

GeeLois,

This is a great post and I apologise for not replying sooner. The good and much needed news from a new poster on another thread on this PS2 board was enough to keep me busy yesterday.

I have had this conversation with friends since the first time ADS testified. Your words bring it all together into a nice neat little packaged puzzle.

When another poster referred to PS crying "wolf" to the wrong person this time...I see it as him crying "wolf" to the right person this time. ADS an upright and good man,who can and does think on his feet, did all the right things that an innocent and decent person does in this situation. It was meant to be that he was the driver that night.

I also wonder if the other driver had been on duty if PS would have had all of that booze in his system? Would he have been discouraged in his invitation to anyone for a drink back at his home after the big night out? Would that driver or body guard have given a "high sign" to the young lady to say NO to the invitation?

Most of us do not have a handler, we rely on our own personal moral compass to get us through any given day. Money can only buy you so much time when it comes to bad, immoral or illegal behavior. As much as I feel it was meant to be that Adriano De Souza was the driver that night, I deeply wish that it had not been in the stars for Lana, or any woman, to be alone with him in that castle.


~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~


you really care about Lana...and you care for PS..

I think the Prosecution has to bring out this D of Chance.....in the trial and in closing..

ADS was as lucent as he could be and cognizant..and understanding English...

Phil said what he did..and he did what he did...before and afterwards..

I feel sorry for him..I really do...but he did what he did..

jmo......he's guilty..no matter how one cuts it..and ..btw..I still do like Cutler..:)

jayne

[bearwds]

[QUOTE=Jayne...<<SNIP-SNIP>>

That would indeed back up the ADS thing..Phil didn't REMEMBER he had ADS as his driver..J[/QUOTE]

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Hey Jayne....how's your kiddo..??

Have you ever called 911..?? Some folks, per recorded transcripts are calm and cool. Others are agitated and hysterical. I've only had to once, many years ago when I got a bomb threat. Worked in CJ and guessed it was a former inmate. Wife was shaken and don't think baby liked it either. Nothing found. AT&T gave me a new phone number free though....lol

OK....I'm going to say it. A body needed not help, but moving...???


bearwds

[Jayne]

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Hey Jayne....how's your kiddo..??

Have you ever called 911..?? Some folks, per recorded transcripts are calm and cool. Others are agitated and hysterical. I've only had to once, many years ago when I got a bomb threat. Worked in CJ and guessed it was a former inmate. Wife was shaken and don't think baby liked it either. Nothing found. AT&T gave me a new phone number free though....lol

OK....I'm going to say it. A body needed not help, but moving...???


bearwds


(my child is getting better..day by day)

EXACTLY...you're last sentence..A Body Needed not HELP..but Moving? YEP..PS went to the door..to tell his "regular driver/bodyguard"..I think I killed somebody..expecting HIM (the driver/guard) to come in a MOVE it..make it LOOK GOOD..FIX IT

but ALAS..PS realized..it was ADS..NOT his "regular driver/bodyguard/personal fixitup guy"..so he shut the door and went about cleaning up himself..probably hoping ADS was stupid enough to not call the police? Or hoping it would take X amount of time before the LE arrived?

I think ol' PS got caught with the diaper (and probably gun) in his hand..when the LE arrived.. and not remembering Right from Left..he placed the gun under Lana's left hand (HIS RIGHT..DUH???) and he threw the diaper in the bathroom...next to the toilet because it wouldn't FLUSH..althogh he may have tried it..at the 11th hour moment..didnt' have time to put it in the trash compactor..figuring he could perhaps sweettalk them at the door..they'd never take a step inside..OR if they did..he could EXPLAIN everything? The ol' Wall of Sound...mesmerize them with his talents?

supposition only.I admit..

jmo

J

[GeeLois]

Before and during the trial there were many hearing about admissibility of evidence. I recall that one of them dealt with the "Starbucks" incident where Phil pulled a gun on some other customers. His limo driver at the time hustled him out of the coffee shop. Judge Fidler did not allow this to come into the trial as it was a male that he pulled the gun on. Some one please correct me if I am wrong.

GeeLois


GEELOIS

Good Post and exactly what I've always thought happened. Good summary.

Can you imagine the horror when he realized he had just confessed..??

I would like to hear from some of his past bodyguards as to conduct and behavior. They must have been deposed at some point. Would a non-disclosure contract supercede a subpoena..?? Don't recall anyone digging into this. Just as relevant as PBA's.


bearwds

[bearwds]

Before and during the trial there were many hearing about admissibility of evidence. I recall that one of them dealt with the "Starbucks" incident where Phil pulled a gun on some other customers. His limo driver at the time hustled him out of the coffee shop. Judge Fidler did not allow this to come into the trial as it was a male that he pulled the gun on. Some one please correct me if I am wrong.

GeeLois

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Nope, you are not wrong. No gun was pulled though, if I recall, only a threat. This was between murder and 1st trial ....also if I recall.

I disagree with Judge Fidler though. I think prior bad acts count no matter the gender.


bearwds

[Jayne]

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Nope, you are not wrong. No gun was pulled though, if I recall, only a threat. This was between murder and 1st trial ....also if I recall.

I disagree with Judge Fidler though. I think prior bad acts count no matter the gender.


bearwds

I'm pretty sure..I don't have my notes from PS1...they're somewhere between Jersey and California..in someone else's house or storage :(

He threated males...but he didn't have the gun on him...it was that he'd GET his gun and shoot them..something like that...another Doctrine of Chance thing..having his gun "at hand" (in the trunk? in his pocket?)..and having his bodygoards (sorry...I really meant the typo)...protect him...whisk him away..make excuses...

As to why Fidler didn't let it in..I don't think it was due to gender...it was relevance...although I see it pretty relevant..especially now with this D of C thing..

jmo

J

[GPSpector]

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Nope, you are not wrong. No gun was pulled though, if I recall, only a threat. This was between murder and 1st trial ....also if I recall.

I disagree with Judge Fidler though. I think prior bad acts count no matter the gender.


bearwds

If I remember correctly, the customer that was involved made a comment about the bodyguard protecting my father and the bodyguard replied:
"I am not protecting him from you, I'm protected you from him"

[Jayne]

If I remember correctly, the customer that was involved made a comment about the bodyguard protecting my father and the bodyguard replied:
"I am not protecting him from you, I'm protected you from him"

Whoo hoo..

now there is Out of the Mouths of Babes/bodyguards?

what a tangled web could be weaved..think?

out out..damned SPOT..

I think poor ol' Phil will be running out of White Out..Erase It...Cover Up..

I'm believing that his bodyguards and his wife are up to their armpits and more..in protecting him..covering up or uncovering before it needs covering up..i.e. stopping him in his tracks.

And, I do think Chelle..does this "on the arm" thing..going into court, etc. as a "theatre display"..heck...he stood there just fine last year when she "humped him" on camera..

the shaking hands...OK..maybe he does have some diability...but it's PUT ON, IMO..mostly if not entirely..Heck..you can't have a consistent disorder and stand up there with Plourd Plourding you on..to "image" holding a gun in your hand..no shaking, whatsoever.. Why didn't Plourd have him SHAKE the gun??..certainly if he Shook with a gun in his hand..he couldn't have hit Lana's cervical spine..he'd have hit her ear or something...or his prized possessions in that foyer.

just more senseless babble from ol' me

jmo

J

[penguin01]

If I remember correctly, the customer that was involved made a comment about the bodyguard protecting my father and the bodyguard replied:
"I am not protecting him from you, I'm protected you from him"
I hope AJ reads these boards: maybe he should have that bodyguard testify.

[penguin01]

Whoo hoo..

now there is Out of the Mouths of Babes/bodyguards?

what a tangled web could be weaved..think?

out out..damned SPOT..

I think poor ol' Phil will be running out of White Out..Erase It...Cover Up..

I'm believing that his bodyguards and his wife are up to their armpits and more..in protecting him..covering up or uncovering before it needs covering up..i.e. stopping him in his tracks.

And, I do think Chelle..does this "on the arm" thing..going into court, etc. as a "theatre display"..heck...he stood there just fine last year when she "humped him" on camera..

the shaking hands...OK..maybe he does have some diability...but it's PUT ON, IMO..mostly if not entirely..Heck..you can't have a consistent disorder and stand up there with Plourd Plourding you on..to "image" holding a gun in your hand..no shaking, whatsoever.. Why didn't Plourd have him SHAKE the gun??..certainly if he Shook with a gun in his hand..he couldn't have hit Lana's cervical spine..he'd have hit her ear or something...or his prized possessions in that foyer.

just more senseless babble from ol' me

jmo

J
Right - he could have done a "glove doesn't fit" kind of display: too shaky to fire a gun.

[kennedy06]

Right - he could have done a "glove doesn't fit" kind of display: too shaky to fire a gun.

Good point.

He may not have had this condition at the time of the shooting. Notice from what we have heard, none of the waiters or anyone from the former places he went to that night or AD himself was asked about this hand shaking so I think it maybe something new since that night. If it was common back then I think that would have been one of the defenses biggest arguments. Oh and of course, AD didn't say his hand was shaking when he held the gun either. JMO

[kennedy06]

(my child is getting better..day by day)

EXACTLY...you're last sentence..A Body Needed not HELP..but Moving? YEP..PS went to the door..to tell his "regular driver/bodyguard"..I think I killed somebody..expecting HIM (the driver/guard) to come in a MOVE it..make it LOOK GOOD..FIX IT

but ALAS..PS realized..it was ADS..NOT his "regular driver/bodyguard/personal fixitup guy"..so he shut the door and went about cleaning up himself..probably hoping ADS was stupid enough to not call the police? Or hoping it would take X amount of time before the LE arrived?

I think ol' PS got caught with the diaper (and probably gun) in his hand..when the LE arrived.. and not remembering Right from Left..he placed the gun under Lana's left hand (HIS RIGHT..DUH???) and he threw the diaper in the bathroom...next to the toilet because it wouldn't FLUSH..althogh he may have tried it..at the 11th hour moment..didnt' have time to put it in the trash compactor..figuring he could perhaps sweettalk them at the door..they'd never take a step inside..OR if they did..he could EXPLAIN everything? The ol' Wall of Sound...mesmerize them with his talents?

supposition only.I admit..

jmo

J

I bet you are right about the diaper. I wondered why he would have just thrown it on the floor. I was thinking he turned went back in the house after talking to AD and then the wiping started. Then he gave up and went upstairs and took off his jacket. hmmm

JMO

[My 2 Cents]

The following is an article that a Mr Granger wrote about the Phil Spector/Starbucks incident. He claims he was at the Starbucks when the incident took place. He himself is a writer and is a regular at this South Pasadena Starbucks, where he often goes to write. I believe he is a Comic Book writer (you didn't see that coming, did you? ) Here is what he wrote . . I have no knowledge how accurate or not it is. But since you where discussing this incident I thought some of you might enjoy it, it has a different twist on it and much more detailed than the articles that popped up in the paper when this happened.

STARBUCKS ARTICLE:

The fun all happened at the Starbucks where I often write in South Pasadena, CA. It was late night and Mr. Spector arrived with a bodyguard, this was after he was arrested but before the trial. After Mr. Spector had purchased whatever he was going to drink, he walked out and right by the line of regulars. The regulars are a group of people who go sip coffee, smoke and gossip out front at this particular Starbucks every single day. One of the regulars said something to Mr. Spector as they left. I am not sure I can remember what it was, but it wasn’t particularly meaningful. Phil seemed excited to be recognized and in a friendly manner walked to the table.

The regular then said something that Phil’s bodyguard seemed to object to because the bodyguard started waving his hands behind Mr. Spectors back. He was silently mouthing ”No, no, no!”. This particular late night regular wasn’t known for steering clear of trouble, so he continued. Whatever he said then set Phil off. Mr. Spector started swinging, cursing and yelling that he’d “Come back to Starbucks with a shotgun and kill you all!”

Then his bodyguard dragged the still screaming Spector away and into his car. They proceeded to slowly drive around the Starbucks one time, Spector yelling out the window. I didn’t get much writing done the rest of the night, it’s always difficult to write when the regulars are overly excited.

The police were called, they questioned everyone extensively. Surprisingly I only saw a short mention of the incident in the local LA paper. Nothing at all about it during the trial. I guess the prosecutors know their business, but it continues to amaze me.

[kennedy06]

I doubt they are the same, but if the driver from the incident where the mistaken identity gun chase took place was the same as person driving during the Starbuck's incident, couldn't he be brought in somehow on the DM testimony and then be asked were there any other incidents?:shrug:

Edit- Thanks for that article my 2 cents!

Edit- that could work for either side I think though, hmmm, the defense saying just another crazy guy moment and then AJ using it to show a pattern of his having drivers/bodyguards help him out of trouble.Well that is what they are paid to do, unless they had helped beyond the call of duty and the law. I think it would be more powerful for the pros myself. JMO




JMO

[Jayne]

<snipped> for space


The police were called, they questioned everyone extensively. Surprisingly I only saw a short mention of the incident in the local LA paper. Nothing at all about it during the trial. I guess the prosecutors know their business, but it continues to amaze me.[/QUOTE]

amazes you..amazes me..totally pisses me off, frankly..

Can I go about..daily or weekly or monthly or yearly...waiving a gun or threatening one..

and NOT get taken to court? NO NO NO..

WHY? because I'm a no body..no do..nothing..who cares kind of person..(NOT MIND YOU..I'd never do that)

But you bet I'd have been arrested..nothing in the news..other than a Police Blotter.

but..HERE you have PS...

we're coming onto 5 years since Lana's death...

it sickens me..truly does...

simple citizens..who are WRONG and should be in the COURTS for a DUI or whatever..but we have this GUY...still out there..waiting for justice?

Thank god he never drove drunk..NOPE..he had his divers.

Hmm..think about that!..and his videos in the backseat as he drove his victim to his home..

[My 2 Cents]

I doubt they are the same, but if the driver from the incident where the mistaken identity gun chase took place was the same as person driving during the Starbuck's incident, couldn't he be brought in somehow on the DM testimony and then be asked were there any other incidents?:shrug:


JMO
I'm sure Spector's regular driver/bodyguard could tell us about a lot of incidents that no one knows about, but he might not be to willing to tell anyone outside the PS circle of "friends", and certainly not to Aj or his team. A simple, "I can't recall" response and the driver/bodyguard is off the hook. Had the regular driver/bodyguard been there on 2/2-2/3/03, there probably wouldn't even be a trial - at least not for Lana , but maybe down the road for another unsuspecting "house guest".

[GPSpector]

The following is an article that a Mr Granger wrote about the Phil Spector/Starbucks incident. He claims he was at the Starbucks when the incident took place. He himself is a writer and is a regular at this South Pasadena Starbucks, where he often goes to write. I believe he is a Comic Book writer (you didn't see that coming, did you? ) Here is what he wrote . . I have no knowledge how accurate or not it is. But since you where discussing this incident I thought some of you might enjoy it, it has a different twist on it and much more detailed than the articles that popped up in the paper when this happened.

STARBUCKS ARTICLE:

The fun all happened at the Starbucks where I often write in South Pasadena, CA. It was late night and Mr. Spector arrived with a bodyguard, this was after he was arrested but before the trial. After Mr. Spector had purchased whatever he was going to drink, he walked out and right by the line of regulars. The regulars are a group of people who go sip coffee, smoke and gossip out front at this particular Starbucks every single day. One of the regulars said something to Mr. Spector as they left. I am not sure I can remember what it was, but it wasn’t particularly meaningful. Phil seemed excited to be recognized and in a friendly manner walked to the table.

The regular then said something that Phil’s bodyguard seemed to object to because the bodyguard started waving his hands behind Mr. Spectors back. He was silently mouthing ”No, no, no!”. This particular late night regular wasn’t known for steering clear of trouble, so he continued. Whatever he said then set Phil off. Mr. Spector started swinging, cursing and yelling that he’d “Come back to Starbucks with a shotgun and kill you all!”

Then his bodyguard dragged the still screaming Spector away and into his car. They proceeded to slowly drive around the Starbucks one time, Spector yelling out the window. I didn’t get much writing done the rest of the night, it’s always difficult to write when the regulars are overly excited.

The police were called, they questioned everyone extensively. Surprisingly I only saw a short mention of the incident in the local LA paper. Nothing at all about it during the trial. I guess the prosecutors know their business, but it continues to amaze me.

I found the article:
http://oye.kingtractorpress.com/?p=12 Nice pic.

[Jayne]

YES...absolutely..

Doctrine of Chance..

I at first thought..WHAT is the Prosecution UP to??

IF they can pull this off..

PS is in deep doo doo...deep waters...swamp waters..septic tanks..

it has more to do with than just the GUN thing... it has to do with PS..his entire life..WHAT DID HE DO..how did HE LIVE HIS LIFE..how did HE CONTROL PEOPLE..

I don't know if it will make it..but it's certainly worth a SHOT (no pun intended).

I think DW is scrambling for an appeal..he certainly isn't scrambling for an aquittal..as I see it.

If I were PS...I'd fire him..right now..but NO...PS knows this will be an appeal?? think?

jmo

J

[My 2 Cents]

YES...absolutely..

Doctrine of Chance..

I at first thought..WHAT is the Prosecution UP to??

IF they can pull this off..

PS is in deep doo doo...deep waters...swamp waters..septic tanks..

it has more to do with than just the GUN thing... it has to do with PS..his entire life..WHAT DID HE DO..how did HE LIVE HIS LIFE..how did HE CONTROL PEOPLE..

I don't know if it will make it..but it's certainly worth a SHOT (no pun intended).

I think DW is scrambling for an appeal..he certainly isn't scrambling for an aquittal..as I see it.

If I were PS...I'd fire him..right now..but NO...PS knows this will be an appeal?? think?

jmo

J

The problem with the APPEAL angle, is that Spector would be thrown into prison while waiting for an appeal to be considered (at least for a murder charge I believe). I don't think PS plans to spend 1 day in prison, nor do I think he could handle it. I don't know what would happen to him in prison, but I don't think he would make it in there for any length of time. His small frail stature and his hot temper wouldn't be a good combination. IMO.

[tartangirl]

The prosecution had tried to have this one incident and other acts of gun play and intimidation, and I believe convictions of gun brandishing,included along with the five women PBA as testimony. IF I am wrong, I am sure you will correct me, and I am counting on that... :)

As was mentioned here earlier the judge ruled to allow the women PBA and not the other ones on the "wish list" if you will.

I can not open this link...but I am sure it is there...sorry

http://lascftp.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/qpeuczaic5c4e0354xo14f45/1297059352.pdf

Jayne..if you are still here...your inbox is full ...please empty it you
popular person...


~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[My 2 Cents]

The problem with the APPEAL angle, is that Spector would be thrown into prison while waiting for an appeal to be considered (at least for a murder charge I believe). I don't think PS plans to spend 1 day in prison, nor do I think he could handle it. I don't know what would happen to him in prison, but I don't think he would make it in there for any length of time. His small frail stature and his hot temper wouldn't be a good combination. IMO.

I would think if the trial starts looking bad for PS and his attorney starts talking to PS about, "Don't worry we have a very strong case for an appeal" ( DW's specialty) . . . PS might split. I would not be surprised if he has a hidden lump of $$$ somewhere and an "EXIT PLAN" for skipping off in hiding somewhere as opposed to spending any time behind bars waiting for an appeal if he thinks a GUILTY verdict is a strong possibility. (But then again - he was still sticking around waiting for a verdict with PS 1). Maybe he can share a CRIB with Roman Polanski - that's what he did, and low and behold, Polanski is now getting acclaim & awards for his movies. Makes me sick! IMO.

[True2Blues]

Good point.

He may not have had this condition at the time of the shooting. Notice from what we have heard, none of the waiters or anyone from the former places he went to that night or AD himself was asked about this hand shaing so I think it maybe something new since that night. If it was common back then I think that would have been one of the defenses biggest arguments. Oh and of course, AD didn't say his hand was shaking when he held the gun either. JMO

The shaky hands excuse won't work in this case anyway. There is no need to worry about shakes when the gun is shoved in someone's mouth. No worry about a 'miss' in that case.

Anyway, I don't think his hands shake as much as his performances in front of the first jury made out. If it is TD from some of his medication, he can control it when he wants to.

[Jayne]

I would think if the trial starts looking bad for PS and his attorney starts talking to PS about, "Don't worry we have a very strong case for an appeal" ( DW's specialty) . . . PS might split. I would not be surprised if he has a hidden lump of $$$ somewhere and an "EXIT PLAN" for skipping off in hiding somewhere as opposed to spending any time behind bars waiting for an appeal if he thinks a GUILTY verdict is a strong possibility. (But then again - he was still sticking around waiting for a verdict with PS 1). Maybe he can share a CRIB with Roman Polanski - that's what he did, and low and behold, Polanski is now getting acclaim & awards for his movies. Makes me sick! IMO.

Me too..I happen to like how you think/reason..very very astute..scarey, even! :)

[GPSpector]

The shaky hands excuse won't work in this case anyway. There is no need to worry about shakes when the gun is shoved in someone's mouth. No worry about a 'miss' in that case.

Anyway, I don't think his hands shake as much as his performances in front of the first jury made out. If it is TD from some of his medication, he can control it when he wants to.

Not only that, but just because he "may" have the shakes now, does not mean he had them in 2003 :read:

[spydernweb2006]

The shaky hands excuse won't work in this case anyway. There is no need to worry about shakes when the gun is shoved in someone's mouth. No worry about a 'miss' in that case.

Anyway, I don't think his hands shake as much as his performances in front of the first jury made out. If it is TD from some of his medication, he can control it when he wants to.

I have a good friend on Psychatric drugs and when she developed the TD's her Doc immed switched her to another medicine. Getting the TD's is sign of medication induced parkinson's so they switch you asap. I know I was her call buddy while they tried diff meds on her cause her one med, I believe Resperidol, was causing her to shake. Believe me if PS's Doc saw him shaking like he was in court Phil would have been switched immed as no Doc wants the liability of bringing on a nasty illness like Parkinson's to a patient when they can easily change meds that wont have those side effects. She was safely moved to cymbalta and it worked well for her with none of the other side effects.

So I honestly dont think the shaking is truly the meds, if they were then his Doc should or would switch his meds.

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[kennedy06]

I found the article:
http://oye.kingtractorpress.com/?p=12 Nice pic.

Nut or chewy center ! :shrug:

I think that writer pointed out something interesting in your link, what he thought after viewing the Starbcks incident was his:

ability to be pretty violent extremely fast.

JMO

[GPSpector]

Nut or chewy center ! :shrug:

I think that writer pointed out something interesting in your link, what he thought after viewing the Starbcks incident was his:

ability to be pretty violent extremely fast.

JMO

Yep, he did and it's true :(

[bearwds]

Yep, he did and it's true :(

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Welcome back Gary..

Having a "quick and violent" reaction causes stress to the rest of the family.

They tend to "walk on eggshells" in the usually vain attempt not to disturb. It is like emotional blackmail, lest one should violate and suffer the wrath.


bearwds

[wasapi]

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Welcome back Gary..

Having a "quick and violent" reaction causes stress to the rest of the family.

They tend to "walk on eggshells" in the usually vain attempt not to disturb. It is like emotional blackmail, lest one should violate and suffer the wrath.


bearwds

Oh - your description is so perfect. It also describes the condition I lived in for the first 18 years of my life.

It's interesting that no part of the conversation between PS and "the regular" has ever been released (as far as I know). I would really like to know just what the exchange of words between them had to do with. I believe it would reveal even more understanding of PS's character. Certainly the officers that came to Starbuck's took a report of what exactly was said.