Michelle Fisher Young November 11, 2008

[Lindsey]

Starting a new thread as CW asked us to do last night.

Continue here.

[Lindsey]

I'm off to a 'Salute for Veterans'. And I'd like to salute all our veterans here. Thank you!

[whitywendy]

I have read that some think MY was seeing a sex therapist. WHY this type of therapy? Does anyone know for sure or is it speculation?

Anyhow, does anyone know if MY suspected the affair? Maybe JY told her it was over and she was seeing a therapist to get "PAST" the affair.

Also in regards to Heather being named as custodian of CY. Wouldn't that kind of be void since her brother is a suspect of her murder?

I do not understand why some people are trying to place blame on MF. I feel so bad for her for having to discover her sister that way. If I was her I would have so much hate and disgust toward the person who did this..JY
IMHO

[annalyzer]

I'm off to a 'Salute for Veterans'. And I'd like to salute all our veterans here. Thank you!


Thanks for starting the new thread Lindsey. Went and hung my flag out. Thank you to all veterans for all you do.

[annalyzer]

Anyone know what is going to happen next with the WD suit and when?

[Leanne Weich]

Anyone know what is going to happen next with the WD suit and when?

AFAIK, JY has 30 days to respond; probably 30 court days.

[caffeinated]

Anyone know what is going to happen next with the WD suit and when?

Jason has to answer the complaint with in 30 days of service, although he can ask for an extension, usually for 30 days,

[annalyzer]

AFAIK, JY has 30 days to respond; probably 30 court days.

Does he have an order to appear and either way if he doesn't respond what happens next?

[JD1974]

I too am coming to the conclusion that he most likely did this. That is hard to say considering how badly I wanted him to be innocent. I have to agree with most other posters with the holdup in the arrest is that they can't conclusively put him there at the crime scene, that is one thing that still bothers me.

I do have to say that Jason is a total jerk and I honestly cannot see how Michelle who from what I have read and heard about her was such the opposite could of put up with him for as long as she did. I am betting she is the one who searched for divorce on the computer.

:o

[alter ego]

Does he have an order to appear and either way if he doesn't respond what happens next?
He does not have to appear, he has to respond.

Failure to respond normally results in the plaintiff being awarded whatever is asked for in their moving papers - ie, a 'win' by default.

[Barbara2]

Based on that last search warrant, do you guys think Novo found something incriminating on his laptop when searching through his hard drive? It looks like it was handed over to a law firm. Not sure why they would do this unless they found something. Then perhaps the police were contacted and went through the proper channels and got the search warrant, etc.

That's what I was thinking. I don't believe his firing had anything to do with anonymous postings on a message board. I think NN found something on their own. That or maybe one of the coworkers complained about inappropriate comments. It's possible.

[Leanne Weich]

Based on that last search warrant, do you guys think Novo found something incriminating on his laptop when searching through his hard drive? It looks like it was handed over to a law firm. Not sure why they would do this unless they found something. Then perhaps the police were contacted and went through the proper channels and got the search warrant, etc.

I think, unless we know the reason for JY's separation from his former employer, it is hard to guess why the computer was in the custody of an attorney. I do, however, believe LE would have got a warrant in any event, even if Norvo would have been prepared to hand it over without one. They can never take a chance on having evidence tossed over something as basic as not having got one, imo.

[Leanne Weich]

He does not have to appear, he has to respond.

Failure to respond normally results in the plaintiff being awarded whatever is asked for in their moving papers - ie, a 'win' by default.

I anticipate he will respond and when he is deposed will plead the Fifth. What is your feeling on this?

[caffeinated]

I anticipate he will respond and when he is deposed will plead the Fifth. What is your feeling on this?

I think they will ask for an extension, and then respond by denying all allegations regarding Michelle's death JMO

[Leanne Weich]

I think they will ask for an extension, and then respond by denying all allegations regarding Michelle's death JMO

You're probably right caffeinated. Does anyone know if Jason is currently in Brevard or if he is off on a holiday? I wouldn't want to be in his shoes (Hushpuppies or Franklins) right now. Hopefully someone is keeping an eye on him and Cassidy.

Guess if you've just been fired and served with a WDS, you would be in turmoil, even if you weren't guilty.

[alter ego]

I anticipate he will respond and when he is deposed will plead the Fifth. What is your feeling on this?
I think he will respond and move to dismiss the case and that the judge will dismiss it.

[MerriMent]

I have read that some think MY was seeing a sex therapist. WHY this type of therapy? Does anyone know for sure or is it speculation?

Anyhow, does anyone know if MY suspected the affair? Maybe JY told her it was over and she was seeing a therapist to get "PAST" the affair.

Also in regards to Heather being named as custodian of CY. Wouldn't that kind of be void since her brother is a suspect of her murder?

I do not understand why some people are trying to place blame on MF. I feel so bad for her for having to discover her sister that way. If I was her I would have so much hate and disgust toward the person who did this..JY
IMHO

I do not understand why some people refuse to consider Meredith Fisher might be one of JY's "other women." If you are really interested in justice for Michelle you'd be more open to possibilities. We now know Michelle's best friend betrayed her and this is an unsolved case. :shrug:

[MerriMent]

I think he will respond and move to dismiss the case and that the judge will dismiss it.

I think the response will be to remove Linda Fisher as executrix.

[Cardinal]

I think the response will be to remove Linda Fisher as executrix.

On what grounds? She's barely been appointed - she's hardly had time to commit malfeasance in her capacity as Executrix.

JMO

[Cardinal]

I do not understand why some people refuse to consider Meredith Fisher might be one of JY's "other women." If you are really interested in justice for Michelle you'd be more open to possibilities. We now know Michelle's best friend betrayed her and this is an unsolved case. :shrug:

IIRC, it has been stated more than once on this board that she was hardly his "type". Maybe it was before you arrived.

[Cardinal]

I think he will respond and move to dismiss the case and that the judge will dismiss it.

On what grounds?

[Leanne Weich]

I think he will respond and move to dismiss the case and that the judge will dismiss it.

I don't disagree that he might try to get it dismissed but, TBH, with what we've seen in the latest SW, I doubt a judge will do so. Then again, I could be totally wrong but I do think Linda knows far more than we do and, imo, it is stuff JY's attorney does not have access to. Discovery will not enter into this phase of things.

I think JY will probably be arrested with the unsealing of the outstanding Warrant or shortly thereafter and the WDS will be put on hold pending the outcome of the criminal trial. JMVHO.

[MerriMent]

On what grounds? She's barely been appointed - she's hardly had time to commit malfeasance in her capacity as Executrix.

JMO

On the grounds that Jason is named as Executor in Michelle's Will.

[whitywendy]

I do not understand why some people refuse to consider Meredith Fisher might be one of JY's "other women." If you are really interested in justice for Michelle you'd be more open to possibilities. We now know Michelle's best friend betrayed her and this is an unsolved case. :shrug:

Just because MY's so called best friend betrayed her DOES NOT mean that her sister did too. I know that there are allot of people without morals but I just don't see her sister who she was VERY close to doing her wrong by having an affair with JY.

I think that JY liked MF's reasoning in regards to MY. I believe she was probably the only one that could get through to her in his opinion.

I just don't see why you have to throw it out there. Why peg such a brutal murder on MF when there is NO evidence that points in a direction that a woman committed this crime.

I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree because I will NEVER believe that her sister would harm her like that.

[MerriMent]

IIRC, it has been stated more than once on this board that she was hardly his "type". Maybe it was before you arrived.

No offense but this board has its share of fact and fiction. I'm going on is what JY said about Meredith in the search warrant and it's clear he liked her and she supported him.

"thank God for Meredith is all I can say....that girl is so level headed and cool...once again a "bigger" girl with a cool personality."

[MerriMent]

I don't disagree that he might try to get it dismissed but, TBH, with what we've seen in the latest SW, I doubt a judge will do so. Then again, I could be totally wrong but I do think Linda knows far more than we do and, imo, it is stuff JY's attorney does not have access to. Discovery will not enter into this phase of things.

I think JY will probably be arrested with the unsealing of the outstanding Warrant or shortly thereafter and the WDS will be put on hold pending the outcome of the criminal trial. JMVHO.

If the Judge allows the case to proceed, discovery begins and it is very broad in civil cases. Anything of relevance is allowed unless it is privileged such as the therapist notes.

Why do you think the unsealing of a warrant will result in Jason's arrest? The warrant is from July '07.

[sundrop]

If the case is not dismised, then there will be a lot of 'motions' and 'continuance' which will last for years before it ever goes to trial.

[whitywendy]

Doubtful, since Jason has done nothing about the Life Insurance policy in two years,and is looking very suspicious for not filing a claim for it.
He has let $1,000,000,000-2,000,000,000 just sit, earning nothing and hasn't shown any responsibility as executor. In short, he's a slacker.

Actually he can't file a claim for the money because he would have to attach the police report to the claim because she died from a crime. The Insurance Company wouldn't pay out a claim to him when the investigation is geared toward him.

[Leanne Weich]

Because most posters see Meredith as what she is, a loving sister, not some low-life sleaze who would stoop to such lows. I am plenty interested in justice for Michelle, always have been, that's why I refuse to run her sister's name thru the muck. I have wondered why you refuse to stop doing just that. Michelle Money can hardly be called "her best friend", more like her worst. We have seen several women claim to be very good friends of Michelle's, she had plenty who were HER friend, not her husband's "friend".

:beer: Just because Jason is an immoral POS, some people are trying to tar Meredith with the same brush. Isn't it amazing that some get upset when the JDIs say anything about people close to Jason that is nowhere near as disgusting as trying to convince people Meredith not only had an affair with JY but killed her sister as well? This must be the only moderated forum where bashing the victim's family just to divert attention from the likely murderer is allowed, imo.

[Cardinal]

On the grounds that Jason is named as Executor in Michelle's Will.

That is meaningless, legally, until he presents the will for probate and asks to be appointed. He didn't.

[MerriMent]

Because most posters see Meredith as what she is, a loving sister, not some low-life sleaze who would stoop to such lows. I am plenty interested in justice for Michelle, always have been, that's why I refuse to run her sister's name thru the muck. I have wondered why you refuse to stop doing just that. Michelle Money can hardly be called "her best friend", more like her worst. We have seen several women claim to be very good friends of Michelle's, she had plenty who were HER friend, not her husband's "friend".

Good grief, get a grip. It's an unsolved case. I'm just going by what is said in a legal document and speculating. My interest is justice for Michelle. It's no different than you speculating that Michelle's husband is responsible.

[MerriMent]

That is meaningless, legally, until he presents the will for probate and asks to be appointed. He didn't.

It's not meaningless, legally, if he's named in the Will as executor.

[Cardinal]

No offense but this board has its share of fact and fiction. I'm going on is what JY said about Meredith in the search warrant and it's clear he liked her and she supported him.

"thank God for Meredith is all I can say....that girl is so level headed and cool...once again a "bigger" girl with a cool personality."

IMO, a girl who is level-headed wouldn't sleep with her sister's husband.

You're welcome to keep putting it out there, but I don't think your theory is going to get a lot of support.

[Cardinal]

It's not meaningless, legally, if he's named in the Will as executor.

At the risk of repeating myself, until he presents the will for probate and is appointed by the Clerk, yes it is.

[MerriMent]

Don't you think that if JY didn't do this and might have an inkling of knowledge who did (say, MF as you keep throwing out there), that he would out them immediately to the police? He knows that everything is pointing to him. Any normal person would want suspicion removed. But, if you have no means by which to remove, you can't.

:read: Jason was aware from the beginning that public suspicion would be directed at him, his lawyer told him to remain silent and he's chosen to take that advice. That's normal.

How would Jason outing anyone help LE solve the case? If Jason is innocent, he might have ideas who did it but he wouldn't know for certain unless that person told him, would he? Pointing the finger at someone usually results in that person pointing right back at you. Why would Jason's attorney want to invite that?

[whitywendy]

Good grief, get a grip. It's an unsolved case. I'm just going by what is said in a legal document and speculating. My interest is justice for Michelle. It's no different than you speculating that Michelle's husband is responsible.


The difference is..and it is a HUGE difference... all evidence points to JY and not Michelle's sister Meridith.

That girl has been through so much. I can not fathom having to find ANY person beaten to death let alone it be one of my siblings. Have you ever thought about what she actually discovered? I wonder......

[MerriMent]

At the risk of repeating myself, until he presents the will for probate and is appointed by the Clerk, yes it is.

Repeat it all you like but it doesn't change my opinion, which is based on statutes not your repetitive layman's opinion.

[Cardinal]

Repeat it all you like but it doesn't change my opinion, which is based on statutes not your repetitive layman's opinion.

Please link the statute you're basing your opinion on. If you can.

And what makes you think I'm a layman?

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Repeat it all you like but it doesn't change my opinion, which is based on statutes not your repetitive layman's opinion.

Get real; a confession would not change your opinion of Jason. A civil judgment will not change your opinion. A conviction will not change your opinion. Nothing will change your opinion.

:shrug:

[Leanne Weich]

If the Judge allows the case to proceed, discovery begins and it is very broad in civil cases. Anything of relevance is allowed unless it is privileged such as the therapist notes.

Why do you think the unsealing of a warrant will result in Jason's arrest? The warrant is from July '07.

I think that with the unsealing of the warrant, the DA will have to basically admit he has enough to uphold a conviction. I do believe that the WDS being filed was part of the plan too by the DA. From my understanding, pressure is being exerted on the DA to move forward in this case by Raleigh residents and, let's face it, all the recent publicity doesn't hurt. It will ensure a change of venue for Jason but the publicity has ensured it will be a high profile trial which is good for any DA. Unfortunately, although it is wrong, DAs more often than not use high profile trials to their own advantage, be it for political reasons or good career moves.

[MerriMent]

The difference is..and it is a HUGE difference... all evidence points to JY and not Michelle's sister Meridith.

That girl has been through so much. I can not fathom having to find ANY person beaten to death let alone it be one of my siblings. Have you ever thought about what she actually discovered? I wonder......

I have no idea what evidence LE has but the most recent search warrant is highly suggestive another person other than Jason may have murdered Michelle. LE's quest to prove seems to be whether Jason was an accessory or not. It says right in the warrant that LE hasn't been able to rule out Jason as a suspect. The search warrant points to four women he turned to for sexual conversation or support: coworkers 1 & 2, Michelle Money and Meredith Fisher.

I do feel very sorry for any innocent person who discovers a loved one murdered. It must be a truly horrific experience.

[Leanne Weich]

I have no idea what evidence LE has but the most recent search warrant is highly suggestive another person other than Jason may have murdered Michelle. LE's quest to prove seems to be whether Jason was an accessory or not. It says right in the warrant that LE hasn't been able to rule out Jason as a suspect. The search warrant points to four women he turned to for sexual conversation or support: coworkers 1 & 2, Michelle Money and Meredith Fisher.

I do feel very sorry for any innocent person who discovers a loved one murdered. It must be a truly horrific experience.

I don't believe the mention of the 4 women was for anything other than motive that JY was unhappy in his marriage (which, although unnecessary, is something most DA's like to present to a jury). Philanderers are noteworthy for sexual innuendo conversations with members of the opposite sex. In fact, in a large number of companies, you don't have to be associated with a philanderer to hear the sexual innuendos levied by males around females, imo.

[whitywendy]

I have no idea what evidence LE has but the most recent search warrant is highly suggestive another person other than Jason may have murdered Michelle. LE's quest to prove seems to be whether Jason was an accessory or not. It says right in the warrant that LE hasn't been able to rule out Jason as a suspect. The search warrant points to four women he turned to for sexual conversation or support: coworkers 1 & 2, Michelle Money and Meredith Fisher.

I do feel very sorry for any innocent person who discovers a loved one murdered. It must be a truly horrific experience.

IMO the reason they reference the four women is to show that JY was not happy in the marriage and was having an affair. Which is a reason as to why he could of wanted her dead. No where in that SW does it state that they suspect ANY of the woman they spoke with. The closest they come would be the convo's about Michelle Money and him continuing their affair until Jan 2008. So that would point to MM and JY not MF

[MerriMent]

Please link the statute you're basing your opinion on. If you can.

And what makes you think I'm a layman?

Your need for a link to something so basic. If Jason is named Executor in his wife's Will, of course he can challenge the appointment of someone other than himself.


NC General Statute:
§ 31‑16. What shown on application for probate.

On application to the clerk of the superior court, he must ascertain by affidavit of the applicant –

(1) That such applicant is the executor, devisee or legatee named in the will, or is some other person interested in the estate, and how so interested.

(C.C.P., s. 441; Code, s. 2153; Rev., s. 3125; C.S., s. 4142.)

[MerriMent]

I disagree. If he is innocent and could give them other "avenues to explore," I think that LE would take them seriously. The problem is that he never helped them and it has been over 2 years now. If you read the search warrants it even stated that they wanted to talk to him to see if there were people he could think of who would want to harm her. It was in the section with them wanting him to do a walk through.

Even one iota of cooperation could have helped remove suspicion and sent LE in perhaps the correct direction (assuming for this post that JY is innocent, which I highly doubt).

I do know this: IF JASON IS NOT GUILTY, HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO CONCERN FOR CATCHING THE KILLER. NONE. So, as I see it, this guy is a creep either way.

Cooperation of a suspect doesn't remove LE suspicion. What gives you the idea that it does? Do you honestly believe if Jason had sat down with LE and gave them a list of possible suspects that LE would have removed Jason from the suspect list? I think you need to get real.

[whitywendy]

Cooperation of a suspect doesn't remove LE suspicion. What gives you the idea that it does? Do you honestly believe if Jason had sat down with LE and gave them a list of possible suspects that LE would have removed Jason from the suspect list? I think you need to get real.
HMMMM I think if he would of sat down and talked, helped in any way whatsoever we wouldn't be arguing with you right now. His lack of cooperation has put him in this place. No one else did but him!

[MerriMent]

I think that with the unsealing of the warrant, the DA will have to basically admit he has enough to uphold a conviction. I do believe that the WDS being filed was part of the plan too by the DA. From my understanding, pressure is being exerted on the DA to move forward in this case by Raleigh residents and, let's face it, all the recent publicity doesn't hurt. It will ensure a change of venue for Jason but the publicity has ensured it will be a high profile trial which is good for any DA. Unfortunately, although it is wrong, DAs more often than not use high profile trials to their own advantage, be it for political reasons or good career moves.

I doubt the public will successfully pressure this DA to move forward on an arrest of Jason Young. The DA in this case isn't Nifong. This DA will make an arrest when he's ready. It has nothing to do with timing of a WD case or public release of a sealed search warrant, imo.

[Cardinal]

Your need for a link to something so basic. If Jason is named Executor in his wife's Will, of course he can challenge the appointment of someone other than himself.


NC General Statute:
§ 31‑16. What shown on application for probate.

On application to the clerk of the superior court, he must ascertain by affidavit of the applicant –

(1) That such applicant is the executor, devisee or legatee named in the will, or is some other person interested in the estate, and how so interested.

(C.C.P., s. 441; Code, s. 2153; Rev., s. 3125; C.S., s. 4142.)

I never said Jason couldn't challege Linda's appointment. I simply asked on what grounds. The Clerk obviously chose to appoint Linda Executrix despite Jason having been named. Now that it's done, his having been named isn't enough, by itself, to challege her appointment.

Btw, the statute you cited refers to the application for probate - Jason didn't file an application, so I don't see the relevance of your link.

[MerriMent]

HMMMM I think if he would of sat down and talked, helped in any way whatsoever we wouldn't be arguing with you right now. His lack of cooperation has put him in this place. No one else did but him!

What exactly is "this place"?? There's been no arrest. Surely you don't also believe cooperation will remove LE suspicion? Not even tv fiction supports that idea.:shrug:

[Cardinal]

Cooperation of a suspect doesn't remove LE suspicion. What gives you the idea that it does? Do you honestly believe if Jason had sat down with LE and gave them a list of possible suspects that LE would have removed Jason from the suspect list? I think you need to get real.

I don't think they would have - not after seeing the PC in the last 2 SWs made public. I don't think if Jason spent a week talking to LE they would have removed him from the suspect list.

[MerriMent]

I never said Jason couldn't challege Linda's appointment. I simply asked on what grounds. The Clerk obviously chose to appoint Linda Executrix despite Jason having been named. Now that it's done, his having been named isn't enough, by itself, to challege her appointment.

Btw, the statute you cited refers to the application for probate - Jason didn't file an application, so I don't see the relevance of your link.

Linda Fisher filed the application, not Jason. Jason can challenge her application. The "grounds" are that he's the named Executor and she has no interest. I don't know why you have such difficulty understanding something so simple.

[MerriMent]

We must have read different search warrants. The pieces of the search warrant referring to coworkers 1 & 2 and the email to the person from camp were to show JASON'S behaviors, not to bring suspicion on them. If you are going to go by those rules, why not bring Jason's mom, step-father, and guy friend who said that he only married her because she was pregnant into the mix of possibles?

Furthermore, the reference to Meredith was in a discussion to MM and not her words -- JY's words. Who knows if she felt that he was "cool"? Maybe she didn't like to see her sister upset and was trying to play peace keeper. Perhaps MF thought JY was a giant putz. We don't know.

As for MM, that is one person I would consider, but I believe they can rule her out pretty quickly given the geography. Perhaps not...but I do believe LE is smart enough to do their due diligence there.

Those four women were potential "other women." It goes to motive. I don't believe LE believes Jason's mom, step-father and guy friend were romantically involved with Jason and thus wanted Michelle dead.

[Cardinal]

Linda Fisher filed the application, not Jason. Jason can challenge her application. The "grounds" are that he's the named Executor and she has no interest. I don't know why you have such difficulty understanding something so simple.

Of course she has an interest - she was named Alternate. Again, yes he can challenge it. I hope he does. That would be very interesting, imo.

And the only thing I'm having difficulty understanding is why I'm arguing with someone who obviously knows nothing about probate. I'm going to stop now, so that you can argue about something else.

[MerriMent]

Tell me where I said it would remove him from the suspect list or completely remove suspicion? I said HELP remove suspicion. There is a difference. You have to start somewhere...yet Jason didn't.

LE only has so much to work with. If Jason had info that could help LE investigate more thoroughly...then by all means he should give them that info (unless of course it points right back to him).

and p.s....telling ME to get real...thanks for the chuckle

Brad Cooper, Scott Peterson, and a long list of others also cooperated with LE and it did nothing to "help" remove them from the suspect list.

[jerzeegirl]

Brad Cooper, Scott Peterson, and a long list of others also cooperated with LE and it did nothing to "help" remove them from the suspect list.

most of which are guilty

[5swab5]

If the Judge allows the case to proceed, discovery begins and it is very broad in civil cases. Anything of relevance is allowed unless it is privileged such as the therapist notes.

(snipped)

Ridiculous!

By that logic, Fred Goldman would have collected on his civil suit...because OJ would have been compelled to reveal where he hid all his assets.

MOO

Swabby

[MerriMent]

Of course she has an interest - she was named Alternate. Again, yes he can challenge it. I hope he does. That would be very interesting, imo.

And the only thing I'm having difficulty understanding is why I'm arguing with someone who obviously knows nothing about probate. I'm going to stop now, so that you can argue about something else.

You're the one arguing and demanding links so that's an indication you really don't know much at all about probate in NC. Linda Fisher has 0 interest in Michelle's estate. Jason and CY are ahead of her. Even if she was a named alternate in the Will, she has less interest than Jason and Cassidy. A challenge won't be all that interesting. It's pretty basic.

[MerriMent]

most of which are guilty

Correct. Their cooperation didn't remove them from suspicion and they were arrested.

[5swab5]

Those four women were potential "other women." It goes to motive. I don't believe LE believes Jason's mom, step-father and guy friend were romantically involved with Jason and thus wanted Michelle dead.

Considering his computer searches for certain types of bars, I doubt LE has ruled anything out, I doubt they can.

MOO

Swabby

[MerriMent]

Ridiculous!

By that logic, Fred Goldman would have collected on his civil suit...because OJ would have been compelled to reveal where he hid all his assets.

MOO

Swabby

Discovery applies to something tangible. :read:

[MerriMent]

Considering his computer searches for certain types of bars, I doubt LE has ruled anything out, I doubt they can.

MOO

Swabby

The SW doesn't say the computer searches were made by Jason Young.

[Leanne Weich]

The SW doesn't say the computer searches were made by Jason Young.

I guess they'll try say Michelle was searching for gay bars - good luck with that - it didn't work for Scott Peterson's defense.

[MerriMent]

I guess they'll try say Michelle was searching for gay bars - good luck with that - it didn't work for Scott Peterson's defense.

I wasn't aware Scott Peterson searched for gay bars.

In this case, the gay bars were in New York. Why would a man in Raleigh be searching for gay bars in NYC and how is that search tied to Michelle's murder?

[MerriMent]

No, not meaningless, now he is not named as executor so let's move on.

Feel free. :seeya:

[Cardinal]

I wasn't aware Scott Peterson searched for gay bars.

In this case, the gay bars were in New York. Why would a man in Raleigh be searching for gay bars in NYC and how is that search tied to Michelle's murder?

I have the same question. Did Jason ever visit NY?

[MerriMent]

The difference is Meredith has cooperated with LE, Jason has done a hundred and one things that are suspicious and point to him being the murderer. Besides, what we have read of Michelle and Meredith is that they were loving, caring, compassionate and MORAL people, what we have read of Jason, he is not any of those things. I don't need to "get a grip" but you should get some rest.

Scott Peterson cooperated, too, didn't he?

Why should I get some rest when I'm so far ahead?

[MerriMent]

I have the same question. Did Jason ever visit NY?

I don't know. If he did, how is that tied to Michelle's murder?

[Cardinal]

I don't know. If he did, how is that tied to Michelle's murder?

Maybe Jason was googling gay bars in NY because he planned to visit one. Maybe he did. Maybe the "other woman" is really the "other man."

ETA: Maybe we'll find that out when the SW is unsealed on 12/1.

[5swab5]

I wasn't aware Scott Peterson searched for gay bars.

In this case, the gay bars were in New York. Why would a man in Raleigh be searching for gay bars in NYC and how is that search tied to Michelle's murder?


Actually, the SW says gay bars and gay bars in New York City.

MOO

Swabby

[Leanne Weich]

I wasn't aware Scott Peterson searched for gay bars.

In this case, the gay bars were in New York. Why would a man in Raleigh be searching for gay bars in NYC and how is that search tied to Michelle's murder?

No, he didn't search for gay bars but Mark Geragos tried to say Laci had conducted a search when she was already dead. The search, imo, is yet another indication of Jason's dissatisfaction with his marriage and who knows when or if he planned on going to NY? Dependent upon what is in the therapist's notes, that topic could be of mega relevance, imo.

[Cardinal]

Actually, the SW says gay bars and gay bars in New York City.

MOO

Swabby

You're right, Swabby, it does.

[Cardinal]

Maybe he was in the market for a gay hit man ? :biggrin:

LOL You know, I've posted this story here before, but I'll do it again. Years ago, I had a male neighbor who was um...promiscuous...with the females. Outrageously so.

Next thing we know, he has settled down and found true love with a guy.

Guess he was overcompensating. I can see the possibility here.

JMO


ETA: My neighbor also had a serious drinking problem - spent a year driving a moped to work. Did Jason have a drinking problem?

[jerry50]

I think he will respond and move to dismiss the case and that the judge will dismiss it.

I don't think so. On what grounds? A woman has been murdered and no one has been held accountable for the crime. A civil suit is one legal avenue at getting to the truth. When the information from the search warrants is shown as probable cause for a civil suit there is no way the the suit will be dismissed.

Any thoughts on who will be JY's lawyer? How can Roger Smith et al defend him when in another high profile case, Scott Cooper, his legal team is villifying the suspect?

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Scott Peterson cooperated, too, didn't he?

Why should I get some rest when I'm so far ahead?

Ahead of what or who? :shrug:

And according to whom? :rolleyes:

[annalyzer]

I wasn't aware Scott Peterson searched for gay bars.

In this case, the gay bars were in New York. Why would a man in Raleigh be searching for gay bars in NYC and how is that search tied to Michelle's murder?

Maybe he was planning at some point to go to NY and thought he'd check out a gay bar while there, hoping no one would know him in that area and his secret would remain. Or he did a search for that gay friend of theirs. Who knows?

[Cardinal]

Well, he did state he had a "beer buzz" in the latest SW. LOL, Jason Young, IMO is capable of ANYTHING and he seems to tire quickly of women, so who knows whats next for him !! Well, if he is convicted I guess we can figure out what's next, yuck !!

I first posted that story during a discussion of the alleged specialty of Michelle's therapist. The posters at the time claimed that couldn't be a possibility with Jason because he so loved and was committed to Michelle.

I think we've seen that wasn't true. So who knows?

Also - didn't Michelle have lunch with her friend Rhett a couple of days before the murder? Is it possible Rhett suspected something, and told Michelle?

[Leanne Weich]

I first posted that story during a discussion of the alleged specialty of Michelle's therapist. The posters at the time claimed that couldn't be a possibility with Jason because he so loved and was committed to Michelle.

I think we've seen that wasn't true. So who knows?

Also - didn't Michelle have lunch with her friend Rhett a couple of days before the murder? Is it possible Rhett suspected something, and told Michelle?

Nothing would surprise me in this case anymore Card. Let's face it, a gay man is usually pretty good at ferreting out other men with similar tendencies and, in my experience, gay men make terrifically loyal friends to women.

[Cardinal]

You know I think it is a distinct possibility that Michelle did figure out Jason was maybe bi-sexual, or gay and that knowledge is what cost her her life.

I think it's a possibility too. And I don't think that's something Michelle would have told her family or friends. But she would have told her therapist.

And - if that were true, it would sure put a kink in the custody arrangements in the event of a divorce, huh?

[Cardinal]

Nothing would surprise me in this case anymore Card. Let's face it, a gay man is usually pretty good at ferreting out other men with similar tendencies and, in my experience, gay men make terrifically loyal friends to women.

Hi, Leanne, good to see you. :seeya:

Nothing would surprise me either. Any why is a SW still sealed after the ones we've seen? With the new protocol in NC, there has to be something more explosive than the ones released.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Yes, it does seem that there really must be something major in the sealed warrant, but then that takes us back to why has he not been arrested if that is the case ? Could it have to do with his sister Kim and their e-mail content ? It was just excerpts we were shown in the latest SW's, then again it could be more of Money and him and maybe some incriminating content against both of them. Cannot wait for 12/1!

Honestly, after this SW, I can't imagine why Jason hasn't been arrested. And I'm anxious to see the 12/1 SW too - for it to still be sealed, there has to be something of huge importance in it. Maybe more emails with Kim or MM - but they must be more telling than the one we've seen.

JMO

[Cardinal]

From Shakespeare - Macbeth

Shakespeare, Bud? I'm impressed. :)

So tell me, do you think it's possible Jason swings both ways?

[Cardinal]

Geez, 4:30, I've got to run, nice chatting with you guys, Cardinal, Leanne and Bud Byeeeeeee :chicken:

You too, Vanessa. And me too!

Goodnight, everyone. :seeya:

[annalyzer]

Shakespeare, Bud? I'm impressed. :)

So tell me, do you think it's possible Jason swings both ways?

I don't know but it's a distinct possibility in his future. :chicken:

[JHP]

MacDuff was comparing Jason to Macbeth......Macbeth was soon slain

it is coming...
not soon enough...
but it is coming...
Soon.

Macbeth stood on his castle wall looking out towards Birnam wood. Suddenly his face grew pale and he trembled in fear. What was this coming slowly and surely onward? Trees walking? Birnam wood had come to Dunsinane hill. Then all was lost.


And I thought MacDuff was a crime dog:shrug: It is coming:beer:

[oakayfine]

Maybe he was planning at some point to go to NY and thought he'd check out a gay bar while there, hoping no one would know him in that area and his secret would remain. Or he did a search for that gay friend of theirs. Who knows?

Michelle's Dad lived close to NY.
He did visit Michelle's Dad after Michelle met her demise.

Perhaps his purpose of "allowing Cassidy to visit with Grandpa" had nothing to do with a particular act of kindness but rather to "kill 3 birds with one stone",
1) He had already killed Michelle but he had to show what a great guy he was ...
2) by allowing grandpa visit with Cassidy
3) punish Linda, whom he hated.

He has G'Pa visit and G'Pa babysits Cassidy;he visits the Gay bar in NYC.
What a guy any mother should be proud of.
NOT ME.

[Kat4Eagles]

Starting a new thread as CW asked us to do last night.

Continue here.



Lin!! :cool:

It is so good to see you back!!
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Anyone know what is going to happen next with the WD suit and when?


I was surprised to learn that it would take a minimum of one year to get this on the court docket and most cases took an average of 18 months before they were heard.

Why does everything take so long?

One time , when I was being sarcastic, (yes, me) I posted that C would be attending NCSU before this was all over.

Maybe that is not so far off base.

Kat

[Jules2]

We have the SW's to discuss then you start making up stories. You have no idea when he researched the bars in NY. According to the SW it was before Michelle's death. Why do some feel the need to make up stories when it isn't necessary?
My theory is he took Cassie to visit her grandfather because he was sick and dieing. You take a good jester and turn it into a complete fabrication about him visiting gay bars. Michelle's father didn't live in NY.


The poster was merely speculating and discussing a possible theory. The word "perhaps" indicates it as such. I don't see where it is any different than you stating your theory and I hardly call a theory a fabrication.


IMO.




BTW, I am assuming you meant to type gesture?

[Kat4Eagles]

Good morning everyone. I was looking over last night's comments and still shake my head at people who try to place blame on people whom there has been no evidence against.

I am pretty confident that when the SW is unsealed on 12-01 that it, like the others, will be focused on JY committing this murder. No one else.



I think everyone has pretty much come around, but I will be the first to admit I would love it,if it still turns out to be someone other than Jason.

I don;t like how he treated Kim in the emails, all she is doing is asking him to step up, and answer some of the accusations being made about him.

But, things can be taken out of context too.

I am still curious as to why we had so little info for so long, and then the wrongful death suit is filed, and then lots of info is suddenly made public.

It was not necessary to release such damaging info, just to get a warrant for Jason's work computer.

I am sure I will have several more flip flop days before this is all over.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

[QUOTE=Barbara2;12407907]

That's what I was thinking. I don't believe his firing had anything to do with anonymous postings on a message board. I think NN found something on their own. That or maybe one of the coworkers complained about inappropriate comments. It's possible.[/QUOTE




How would anonymous postings on a Message Board get someone fired?

I think some people give themselves way too much credit.
:no:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I don't disagree that he might try to get it dismissed but, TBH, with what we've seen in the latest SW, I doubt a judge will do so. Then again, I could be totally wrong but I do think Linda knows far more than we do and, imo, it is stuff JY's attorney does not have access to. Discovery will not enter into this phase of things.

I think JY will probably be arrested with the unsealing of the outstanding Warrant or shortly thereafter and the WDS will be put on hold pending the outcome of the criminal trial. JMVHO.



See, this is another thing that bugs me.

That people know more and that LE has more.

More than what?

More than what was just released?

You don't need a lot more than what we just learned about.

And, they still can not get an arrest?

Ut oh.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I don't think so. On what grounds? A woman has been murdered and no one has been held accountable for the crime. A civil suit is one legal avenue at getting to the truth. When the information from the search warrants is shown as probable cause for a civil suit there is no way the the suit will be dismissed.

Any thoughts on who will be JY's lawyer? How can Roger Smith et al defend him when in another high profile case, Scott Cooper, his legal team is villifying the suspect?

Who is Scott Cooper?

:confused:

Kat

[annalyzer]

Who is Scott Cooper?

:confused:

Kat
Brad Cooper, Scott Peterson. So many wife killers it's hard to keep them straight.

[Kat4Eagles]

Brad Cooper, Scott Peterson. So many wife killers it's hard to keep them straight.




Hi Anna !!

Yeah, but SP and BC were nailed in just a few months after the murders.

This case goes on, and on, and on.

2 years and 1 week...

At least, we don't have to keep reading the word imminent here anymore.


Kat

[MerriMent]

I don't see where you are getting that theory. The SW states that Jason was searching various topics on the internet, including killer knockout punches, strangling, injury to the back of the head, divorce, his mistress' name, another known murderer, etc. Not only that, but he was outed in the SW writing love letters thru the internet, telling an ex girlfriend he had never been married, making a million calls and texting his mistress, the list goes on and on. Not only did he want a divorce, was in love with his wife's best friend but he was also plotting her murder. There is nothing in that SW that hints at another suspect, sorry.


the search warrant doesn't state Jason was looking for "killer" knockout punches or strangling. Why do you need to embellish? My theory is based on what the search warrant says and it sure doesn't say he was plotting murder in order to be with Michelle Money. Fact is, he isn't with Michelle Money. :rolleyes:

[MerriMent]

See, this is another thing that bugs me.

That people know more and that LE has more.

More than what?

More than what was just released?

You don't need a lot more than what we just learned about.

And, they still can not get an arrest?

Ut oh.

Kat

They will not ever get an arrest of Jason Young if they can't place him at the scene of the crime, can't show he had opportunity and have no evidence he was an accessory to it. So far, all we've seen is a lot of innuendo such as the rock in the door, snippets of emails, Internet searches. Pretty thin to make an arrest so it should be no surprise they haven't.

[oakayfine]

We have the SW's to discuss then you start making up stories. You have no idea when he researched the bars in NY. According to the SW it was before Michelle's death. Why do some feel the need to make up stories when it isn't necessary?
My theory is he took Cassie to visit her grandfather because he was sick and dieing. You take a good jester and turn it into a complete fabrication about him visiting gay bars. Michelle's father didn't live in NY.

Dang. and here I thought this was a message board. A message board is a place one can come and discuss a case. A place where one can conjecture. A place where one can bring thoughts and discuss those same thoughts. I had no idea a message board was a court room where only FACTS can be discussed.
Please forgive me for laying out some thoughts and "making up stories". That was NOT my intent whatsoever.

As long as you are being so "correct"; you may want to look up the word "jester" as I am sure that is NOT what Michelle's father intended at all.

[oakayfine]

[QUOTE=Kat4Eagles;12409572]
They were pretty ugly posting . I think that may have played a part. I don't think he was fired. A company doesn't give a person a large payout when they are firing him. The company knows who was sending them. I got that from one of the top people there.

A company might give a large payout when they are firing someone if for nothing more than to keep peace with said person. I've seen it happen in larger companies that I have worked for. This company had a person working for them in sales who managed to get into a little trouble that might tarnish the company's name. They paid him off to leave and not make waves after he left. We all called it "hush money".

By the way, how do you know they gave him a large payout?

[Barbara2]

That's what I was thinking. I don't believe his firing had anything to do with anonymous postings on a message board. I think NN found something on their own. That or maybe one of the coworkers complained about inappropriate comments. It's possible.




How would anonymous postings on a Message Board get someone fired?

I think some people give themselves way too much credit.


Kat

I was not the poster that speculated that an anonymous poster got Jason fired from his job. That was someone else. (june maybe?) You are agreeing with MY point. (TYVM, BTW.)

[JHP]

[QUOTE=june1943;12410020]

A company might give a large payout when they are firing someone if for nothing more than to keep peace with said person. I've seen it happen in larger companies that I have worked for. This company had a person working for them in sales who managed to get into a little trouble that might tarnish the company's name. They paid him off to leave and not make waves after he left. We all called it "hush money".

By the way, how do you know they gave him a large payout?

Severence package?? Possibly just to get rid of him. He was not the CEO or anything of the sort to have a "large payout" he certainly didn't get a golden parachute.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Hey there and welcome back !! Good to see you here again, you DO remember me, right ? LOL, great post




I don't think the quote feature is working right.

There is always room for posters to come back...:cool:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Hey Bud...you might want to check your post 2 up (#138 I believe). It is quoting Kat, when that statement actually came from June. I know people get the tsk tsk for those kind of mistakes;)



:no:

Not if you follow the rules of a moderated forum.

You can attack the post, but not the poster..

No rudeness, no insults, no harrassing..

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Cool, then we can agree on what happens when things are taken out of context.

Thanxxxx.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Sorry, I should have explained better. By tsk tsk, I didn't mean a TOS violation. I just meant that some people don't want their names tied to others' quotes. That's all.


Getting back on topic is the best way to avoid TOS in any situation, although I appreciate the effort of disassociation .:)

So, those meds found in C's room?
You think Jason would give them to C and then just leave them there?
You think he forgot to take them with him?
You think CPS was notified of this?
If not, why not?
If so, why was she not removed?


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Thats what bothers me kat. If those meds were there all along was Jason or Michelle giving them to Cassie? If they weren't there all along why would Jason take them in the house give some to Cassie and then put them in her room? That sure looks like a frame job to me.



I am not sure what to make of it, but if L E had any thoughts of Jason giving those meds to C that nite, shouldn't they have reported it earlier in their findings to the proper agencies ?

Plus, C sounds very alert on the 911 call, not disoriented or unaware of her surroundings.

Also, the finding of her in Jason and Michelle's bed, not her own bedroom which were where the meds were.

I am not sure if I buy this one.

:confused:

Kat

[Lindsey]

Isn't there a written report somewhere in LE files that will document exactly when (date and time) and where the medications were discovered in CY's room? It would make sense to me that should have been very early in the investigation, even the very first day, unless it was concealed in some way. Was it out in the open on the shelf or was it behind a book, toy or other object? If it was discovered in the first 1-3 days, I see no reason for them to not do a blood test on her to see if she had been drugged. I hope this wasn't another flub up on their part.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Really there is nothing to "buy" if looking objectively. They will not be able to prove Jason drugged her (and I am not sure that he did). It is too late to get any type of samples obviously...so unless Jason out and out admits it, I am not sure how much weight the drug thing will carry.

The reason for it in the search warrant was to raise some eyebrows, as it cannot be proven obviously.



I agree, it was almost like L E said........

"You think we have nothing on this guy??"

"Well, here. take a look at this and this and this."

It was way too much info released just to get a s/w for a work computer.

No, this was L E's way of saying they were fed up with Jason not

talking, and that maybe there was not quite enough to arrest him

(I can not figure that one out) but, that they did have stuff.

Problem is that they have had this stuff 4ever.

Sounds to me that a decision was made right before the 2 year anniversary to get this wrongful death suit filed, and to leak some info to support the filing.

JMO
IMO

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Isn't there a written report somewhere in LE files that will document exactly when (date and time) and where the medications were discovered in CY's room? It would make sense to me that should have been very early in the investigation, even the very first day, unless it was concealed in some way. Was it out in the open on the shelf or was it behind a book, toy or other object? If it was discovered in the first 1-3 days, I see no reason for them to not do a blood test on her to see if she had been drugged. I hope this wasn't another flub up on their part.

JMO

Do we know the exact handling or chain of custody where C was concerned?

I am not sure I am using the right term, but did she go directly to MF's house until Jason got there, without seeing any kind of Doctor that day/nite?

I think it was posted C and MF went to a neighbor's home sometime during that day while investigators were at the brutal scene..

Then what?

To headquarters?

To a trauma center?

Kat

Oops, Hi Lin...:seeya:

[MerriMent]

The latest information was released to help LF with her suit. I think what she has to worry about more than anything is did Raleigh officials name her executor legally. I would think Jason would have had to of been notified that she was taking this action. IMO

Hi June1943, Jason didn't have to be notified about LF appointment. I think if there was any deception, it was on the part of LF in presenting herself as Michelle's preference as Executor over Jason and the Clerk's blind acceptance of it. It can be successfully challenged.

[MerriMent]

I agree, it was almost like L E said........

"You think we have nothing on this guy??"

"Well, here. take a look at this and this and this."

It was way too much info released just to get a s/w for a work computer.

No, this was L E's way of saying they were fed up with Jason not

talking, and that maybe there was not quite enough to arrest him

(I can not figure that one out) but, that they did have stuff.

Problem is that they have had this stuff 4ever.

Sounds to me that a decision was made right before the 2 year anniversary to get this wrongful death suit filed, and to leak some info to support the filing.

JMO
IMO

Kat

I think you're right and LE released this stuff to publicly humiliate Jason and Michelle Money because they don't have enough for an arrest. It's not anything that will help the wrongful death filing.

[Kat4Eagles]

I think you're right and LE released this stuff to publicly humiliate Jason and Michelle Money because they don't have enough for an arrest. It's not anything that will help the wrongful death filing.



I am sure Jason and MM weren't real thrilled about their emails being read by the entire world.

I wonder if any of Michelle's real friends called MM on it.

But, I still think the 1st step, before a wrongful death suit, should have been C's safety above all else.

I have only posted this 1, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000 x now.

:shrug:
Kat

O/T In the Peterson east case, his lawyers are requesting a new trial.
This is @ WRAL. com right now.

[Lindsey]

Do we know the exact handling or chain of custody where C was concerned?

I am not sure I am using the right term, but did she go directly to MF's house until Jason got there, without seeing any kind of Doctor that day/nite?

I think it was posted C and MF went to a neighbor's home sometime during that day while investigators were at the brutal scene..

Then what?

To headquarters?

To a trauma center?

Kat

Oops, Hi Lin...:seeya:


Hey Kat,

I've always wondered too. We've never heard anything about CY being checked out medically but IMO she should have been. The answers to your questions might be info they just haven't revealed yet?

It seems that every piece of info we get just leads to more questions.


ETA: Sorry to post and run but RL calls. BBL

[MerriMent]

Hey Kat,

I've always wondered too. We've never heard anything about CY being checked out medically but IMO she should have been. The answers to your questions might be info they just haven't revealed yet?

It seems that every piece of info we get just leads to more questions.


ETA: Sorry to post and run but RL calls. BBL

You're right. Being found in the bloody bed, she would have had blood all over her clothes and should have been checked out. We also haven't been told if she was interviewed by a trained child interviewer to see what she knew.

[MerriMent]

I am sure Jason and MM weren't real thrilled about their emails being read by the entire world.

I wonder if any of Michelle's real friends called MM on it.

But, I still think the 1st step, before a wrongful death suit, should have been C's safety above all else.

I have only posted this 1, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000 x now.

:shrug:
Kat

O/T In the Peterson east case, his lawyers are requesting a new trial.
This is @ WRAL. com right now.

Thanks for the tip, Kat. Sounds as though M. Peterson might have a shot at a new trial.

[annalyzer]

You're right. Being found in the bloody bed, she would have had blood all over her clothes and should have been checked out. We also haven't been told if she was interviewed by a trained child interviewer to see what she knew.
Maybe her getting in the bed is how the bed became bloody, after she stepped in the blood around her mother and touched her mother.

[5swab5]

I really don't understand anyone's objection to Linda being either the original executrix or the newly appointed executrix for Michelle.

After all, left to Jason, it is blatantly obvious that Michelle and Rylan would either be in a "Potter's Field" or still in the morgue.

Jason moved on from day ONE.

Thank You Linda for taking care of Michelle & Rylan. Now...on to Cassidy.:rose:

MOO

Swabby

[MerriMent]

Maybe her getting in the bed is how the bed became bloody, after she stepped in the blood around her mother and touched her mother.

Maybe so but no matter how it got on her I would think EMS would have examined her to make sure none of the blood was her's.

[MerriMent]

snipped from Kat4Eagles post:
"Sounds to me that a decision was made right before the 2 year anniversary to get this wrongful death suit filed, and to leak some info to support the filing."
******************************
Sorry, but I just don't see anyone in authority in a Courthouse doing anything to get the Executor changed in someone's will. This is preposterous, Linda Fisher was named as an alternate Executor by Michelle Fisher Young, if there was a reason for her to be named the sole Executor then that would be the only way it would be changed. Why would someone risk there job or retirement falsifying any records or just letting something go by. This case likely will go to criminal court and children's court eventually, why would anyone in authority think they could get this done underhandedly and not have it found out down the road ? They wouldn't..
Kat about post #147, got an answer for me yet ? TIA

At this point, there is no legal reason to change Executor named in a Will. :shrug:

[MerriMent]

You say LE leaked this info to humiliate Jason and MM ? Laughable, right like LE stoops to embarassment tactics in a viscious double murder case.
You also say you think the poster is right in saying this, but problem is the poster didn't say that at all, she said she thought they leaked it to help the wrongful death suit, which you then state it's not anything that will help the WD filing. Which is it, where do you stand ? :shrug:

No, Vanessa, I didn't say LE leaked anything nor did the poster I was responding to say it. :no:

[annalyzer]

Isn't there a written report somewhere in LE files that will document exactly when (date and time) and where the medications were discovered in CY's room? It would make sense to me that should have been very early in the investigation, even the very first day, unless it was concealed in some way. Was it out in the open on the shelf or was it behind a book, toy or other object? If it was discovered in the first 1-3 days, I see no reason for them to not do a blood test on her to see if she had been drugged. I hope this wasn't another flub up on their part.

JMO


I think it was odd that her vitamins and other meds were kept in her room. I find it more odd that Jason would drug her with an adult drug and then leave it in her room.

[jerry50]

I think it was odd that her vitamins and other meds were kept in her room. I find it more odd that Jason would drug her with an adult drug and then leave it in her room.


If he did drug Cassidy it would have been easy for him to overlook the bottle in the aftermath of the murder. He had other things on his mind. His mind must have been on overdrive after seeing the carnage he caused. He couldn't think of everything.

[5swab5]

At this point, there is no legal reason to change Executor named in a Will. :shrug:

There are actually several reasons that Linda was justified in petitioning to be Michelle's executrix.

As an executor, you are bound to fulfill your duties, in an orderly, accurate and timely manner.

Just for starters, the duties include (but are not limited to):

Collecting all life insurance proceeds payable to the estate and taking care of the funeral expenses, (not including plot and headstone).

He was removed as executor as he should have been, for dereliction of duty...if nothing else.

MOO

Swabby

[MerriMent]

Here's what the poster you were responding to said:

snipped from Kat4Eagles post:
"Sounds to me that a decision was made right before the 2 year anniversary to get this wrongful death suit filed, and to leak some info to support the filing."

And, what you DID say was you agreed with that poster, then you turned around in the next sentence and disagreed with her. LOL

Your habit of snipping posts in order to misrepresent them isn't funny.

I agreed with that poster's comment that the information came from LE because they were fed up with JY's lack of cooperation.

[MerriMent]

There are actually several reasons that Linda was justified in petitioning to be Michelle's executrix.

As an executor, you are bound to fulfill your duties, in an orderly, accurate and timely manner.

Just for starters, the duties include (but are not limited to):

Collecting all life insurance proceeds payable to the estate and taking care of the funeral expenses, (not including plot and headstone).

He was removed as executor as he should have been, for dereliction of duty...if nothing else.

MOO

Swabby

I must say, there has been very little media coverage of this wrongful death lawsuit and I think it's because the media is very confused by it. If LF feels Jason murdered her daughter, why on earth didn't she seek emergency custody of Cassidy instead of saying she's trying to protect Cassidy financially? Her actions don't make a lot of legal sense.

What legal reason does Linda Fisher have to to request Jason be removed? The two-year deadline to file had not expired. There was not yet dereliction on Jason's part. Besides, life insurance proceeds usually bypass an estate/probate. If Linda Fisher paid for funeral and headstone expenses, all she had to do is file a claim against Michelle's estate. :shrug:

[annalyzer]

If he did drug Cassidy it would have been easy for him to overlook the bottle in the aftermath of the murder. He had other things on his mind. His mind must have been on overdrive after seeing the carnage he caused. He couldn't think of everything.


IIRC the sw said the bottle was found among her other meds in her room. That would mean he brought it in there to give to her then put it with her other meds. Possible of course.

[MerriMent]

Perhaps -- and this is a big perhaps -- the SW to be unsealed in December has more stuff pertaining to C? Probably not, but I guess it is still possible.

I just want to go back to some earlier search warrants and a question. I believe an earlier one stated that they retrieved pearl necklaces from the storage shed. JY's mother (on behalf of JY) had told LE that there were pearl necklaces missing. Hmmm. What ones are the ones they found? And, why didn't the "burglar" take them? This may be rhetorical, obviously.

What information could possibly be in a search warrant about CY that a Judge would decide needs to be sealed?

As for the necklaces, it's impossible to know about the necklaces. I have no idea how many Michelle owned and whether they were real, fake, what color, etc.

[MerriMent]

I thought Jason's mom reported a few strange, random things as being stolen. If Jason never went through the house after the murder, how would she know what was missing and what wasn't. The pearl necklace story really seemed odd, since they did locate 1 or 2 pearl necklaces in the storage. And, the $500.00 in a new wallet seemed a bit strange to me too. How would anyone know if it was stolen, someone spent it or really if it even existed at all ? There was also something said about a tooth (fairy ?) silver box and that's odder yet, since Cassidy is about 3 years away from losing her baby teeth, and how would she (Pat Young) know if it was there or not ? Not sure where I read that Jason's side of the closet had been ransacked, but that looks like if JY is the murderer, he is the one that removed all the things she states are missing in order to make it look like a robbery.

Jason knew what was in the house didn't he? I think he was more aware of the $500 than every piece of jewelry Michelle owned. While it's been said he has never discussed the murder, it's never been suggested he didn't go through their things to try to determine what was missing so that his mother could tell police.

[MerriMent]

I don't know what info could -- but then again I never expected to read the drug stuff in the last one. So that is why I said perhaps. It is all just a guessing game until we read it.

The drug stuff wasn't sealed. I was just trying to figure out why you think it's possible a sealed warrant is about CY.

[5swab5]

Jason knew what was in the house didn't he? I think he was more aware of the $500 than every piece of jewelry Michelle owned. While it's been said he has never discussed the murder, it's never been suggested he didn't go through their things to try to determine what was missing so that his mother could tell police.


I think it is ridiculous to assume that a man could detail what was or was NOT missing from his house, when he neither went there to assist LE, OR packed up the contents for removal.

STINKS to high heaven, (pearl neclaces/wedding rings/wallet & five-hundred dollars) Always has!

MOO

Swabby

I smell a few charges "after the fact".

[Leanne Weich]

I didn't follow that trial but it sounds like when a wife dies in NC she better leave a note saying my husband didn't kill me. The one case that I have seen since I started following NC news in the JN murder. LE never looked twice at her husband. How easy to have left the young kids sleeping slip down to that gas station and kill his wife . I don't see why LE is trying to get Jason who was supposely 2 to 3 hrs away and not JN's husband who was a few minutes away. Maybe JN's husband didn't have a girlfriend and that is one of the requisitions.

Have you ever thought that despite LE looking at JN's husband, he didn't kill her, hence no evidence to pursue him?

[MerriMent]

I didn't follow that trial but it sounds like when a wife dies in NC she better leave a note saying my husband didn't kill me. The one case that I have seen since I started following NC news in the JN murder. LE never looked twice at her husband. How easy to have left the young kids sleeping slip down to that gas station and kill his wife . I don't see why LE is trying to get Jason who was supposely 2 to 3 hrs away and not JN's husband who was a few minutes away. Maybe JN's husband didn't have a girlfriend and that is one of the requisitions.

I didn't follow that trial much, either, but according to the story there is evidence of prosecutorial misconduct and a botched investigation by LE in that case. That, too, sounds familiar, doesn't it?

[MerriMent]

I think it is ridiculous to assume that a man could detail what was or was NOT missing from his house, when he neither went there to assist LE, OR packed up the contents for removal.

STINKS to high heaven, (pearl neclaces/wedding rings/wallet & five-hundred dollars) Always has!

MOO

Swabby

I smell a few charges "after the fact".

I think it's ridiculous to assume the owner didn't unpack the contents and check to see what was missing. :rolleyes:

[Cardinal]

~snipped~

What legal reason does Linda Fisher have to to request Jason be removed? The two-year deadline to file had not expired. There was not yet dereliction on Jason's part. Besides, life insurance proceeds usually bypass an estate/probate. If Linda Fisher paid for funeral and headstone expenses, all she had to do is file a claim against Michelle's estate. :shrug:

1. Jason didn't have to be removed - he'd never been appointed.
2. There is no 2-year deadline.
3. I'm not going to argue any of this with you. If you have links to Jason's application for probate and the issuance of Letters Testamentary to him, and a link to the 2-year deadline, I'll concede.

[Cardinal]

I thought Jason's mom reported a few strange, random things as being stolen. If Jason never went through the house after the murder, how would she know what was missing and what wasn't. The pearl necklace story really seemed odd, since they did locate 1 or 2 pearl necklaces in the storage. And, the $500.00 in a new wallet seemed a bit strange to me too. How would anyone know if it was stolen, someone spent it or really if it even existed at all ? There was also something said about a tooth (fairy ?) silver box and that's odder yet, since Cassidy is about 3 years away from losing her baby teeth, and how would she (Pat Young) know if it was there or not ? Not sure where I read that Jason's side of the closet had been ransacked, but that looks like if JY is the murderer, he is the one that removed all the things she states are missing in order to make it look like a robbery.

I thought that report was strange too. It comes across almost as though some selective items were reported to make it appear as though a robbery had taken place.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Jason knew what he took from the house to make it appear a robbery.
He simply provided this list to Pat...added the $500 cash in a new wallet to cover the fact that his closet had blood evidence from his change of shoes and clothes. Bet we find Michelle's closet had no such blood evidence . Wonder why the killer would go to the husband's closet to find loot and ignore the wife's :confused:
Especially considering womans jewelry apparently was the main heist.

I have a hard time believing a killer would spend enough time in a closet to find a "hidden" wallet with $500 while overlooking the obvious TVs and computers.

JMO

[Cardinal]

The DA showed the jury the same thing in pregnant wife killer, David Temple's trial (conviction). He staged the scene to appear the motive was robbery....taking only some jewelry.

I read that thread here, although I didn't post on it. I noted several similarities between that case and this one. IIRC, David Temple was convicted, and based upon less CE than I've seen in this case.

Which makes me again question the lack of an arrest in this case.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

I have a hard time believing a killer would spend enough time in a closet to find a "hidden" wallet with $500 while overlooking the obvious TVs and computers.

JMO

But, computers and tv's or other valuable electronics would be heavy to remove.

Remember the news carrier's stmt. that it looked like a car was parked in a way that was loading or unloading things .

What did Jason need to unload except some bloody items, such as clothes, shoes, and weapon.?

They could have been carried in one bag and thrown in the car quickly, as the killer drove away.

And, all those lights on?

I wish we knew more of the exact time Michelle's death was .

Kat

[Barbara2]

I didn't follow that trial but it sounds like when a wife dies in NC she better leave a note saying my husband didn't kill me. The one case that I have seen since I started following NC news in the JN murder. LE never looked twice at her husband. How easy to have left the young kids sleeping slip down to that gas station and kill his wife . I don't see why LE is trying to get Jason who was supposely 2 to 3 hrs away and not JN's husband who was a few minutes away. Maybe JN's husband didn't have a girlfriend and that is one of the requisitions.

I'm guessing that it has something to do with the evidence. JMO.

[Kat4Eagles]

I read that thread here, although I didn't post on it. I noted several similarities between that case and this one. IIRC, David Temple was convicted, and based upon less CE than I've seen in this case.

Which makes me again question the lack of an arrest in this case.

JMO


Hi Card, and June.....:seeya:
Of course, that is the biggest question yet to be answered.

Although Post 147 is bugging someone !!

Kat

[5swab5]

I think it's ridiculous to assume the owner didn't unpack the contents and check to see what was missing. :rolleyes:

Really?

I have heard and READ otherwise. Things were NOT taken care of...they were tossed "willy-nilly" into a "work-related" storage shed.

Poor Cassidy.

MOO

Swabby

[Barbara2]

I didn't follow that trial much, either, but according to the story there is evidence of prosecutorial misconduct and a botched investigation by LE in that case. That, too, sounds familiar, doesn't it?

I did follow that case and the evidence was overwhelming. As is typical, the defense tried to find loopholes and get a killer off but it didn't work. There was known evidence that wasn't presented at trial as well. It wasn't needed. He is where he belongs. IMO

[Barbara2]

I read that thread here, although I didn't post on it. I noted several similarities between that case and this one. IIRC, David Temple was convicted, and based upon less CE than I've seen in this case.

Which makes me again question the lack of an arrest in this case.

JMO

I think it took something like SIX YEARS before he was arrested!! (Or before the case went to trial) I hope it doesn't take that long in this case.

[Kat4Eagles]

What are you talking about ? My post was to Oakayfine, welcoming her back to the board, as in, I haven't seen her here in a while. So, why the comment about the quote feature not working right and there is always room for posters to come back ? Your post makes no sense to me at all, care to explain ?


Re: Post 147

Okay, Vanessa.

The quote function was not working on some of the responses , making it appear that someone else had written the original post.

I was also welcoming anyone and everyone back to discuss the case.

Mystery solved, grilling over?
:biggrin:

Kat

[Cardinal]

But, computers and tv's or other valuable electronics would be heavy to remove.

Remember the news carrier's stmt. that it looked like a car was parked in a way that was loading or unloading things .

What did Jason need to unload except some bloody items, such as clothes, shoes, and weapon.?

They could have been carried in one bag and thrown in the car quickly, as the killer drove away.

And, all those lights on?

I wish we knew more of the exact time Michelle's death was .

Kat

I agree about the one bag, and I don't know what could have been loaded/unloaded in the car. Especially if nothing large has been reported missing that would have required the car.

So what else would have required the car?

[Cardinal]

I think it took something like SIX YEARS before he was arrested!! (Or before the case went to trial) I hope it doesn't take that long in this case.

I think we all do, Barbara. And I especially do for Linda Fisher. And for Cassidy.

[Cardinal]

I worry about those CE trials. Wonder how many innocent people have been convicted just because they were womanizers. In my opinion when that happens there is no justice for the dead person and a terrible injustice for the person convicted.

June, I have to think that cheating on your wife wouldn't get someone convicted. It wouldn't be enough for me, if I were on a jury. And I don't think it would be for you. That's encouraging, eh?

[Kat4Eagles]

I think it took something like SIX YEARS before he was arrested!! (Or before the case went to trial) I hope it doesn't take that long in this case.


OT.briefly.

I know I should go look this up, but how long did it take to get an arrest and conviction in the Peterson East case?

I don't know why I never heard of this case, maybe it took place at the same time I was following another one.


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

June, I have to think that cheating on your wife wouldn't get someone convicted. It wouldn't be enough for me, if I were on a jury. And I don't think it would be for you. That's encouraging, eh?



No, but Card, if you think about it, it was one of the very few things released in this case,

That there was another woman that Jason may be involved with.

Remember that Sharon Rocha kept defending Scott, until she found out about Amber, and then her exact words were:
"Why did he have to kill her"?

Kat

[Barbara2]

OT.briefly.

I know I should go look this up, but how long did it take to get an arrest and conviction in the Peterson East case?

I don't know why I never heard of this case, maybe it took place at the same time I was following another one.


Kat

You can't really compare the two cases because he is the one who found his wife. He had evidence on his person. He was arrested rather quickly, as I recall. He's the one that made the 911 CALLS. (plural-he hung up on the 911 operator.)

[Cardinal]

No, but Card, if you think about it, it was one of the very few things released in this case,

That there was another woman that Jason may be involved with.

Remember that Sharon Rocha kept defending Scott, until she found out about Amber, and then her exact words were:
"Why did he have to kill her"?

Kat

That's true, Kat, but even so, a lot of people didn't believe there was an affair.

[oakayfine]

It seems like the tireless/tiresome crusade to bash the victims's mother and sister continues. I agree Swabby, what about Cassidy ?

Thanks for the welcome back, Vanessa.
I too, am appalled that the bashing has not ceased even yet. It seems that some have no conscience whatsoever. I am a firm believer in cause and effect. As a direct result of my beliefs, I am choosing to remain silent with those who continue down that path. I'm not sure what it will take for the wake up call but it will come.
As far as Jason goes, I can only say that given the recent release of SW's ... his time is coming sooner rather than later.
IMO, JMO and all of that other stuff that some may want to use to misconstrue a post.

[Kat4Eagles]

That's true, Kat, but even so, a lot of people didn't believe there was an affair.


Scott/Amber?
Or, Jason and MM?

Kat

[jerry50]

I agree about the one bag, and I don't know what could have been loaded/unloaded in the car. Especially if nothing large has been reported missing that would have required the car.

So what else would have required the car?

Isn't it possible that the killer intended to dispose of Michelle's body and the plan got changed because of all of the blood?

[Kat4Eagles]

Thanks for the welcome back, Vanessa.
I too, am appalled that the bashing has not ceased even yet. It seems that some have no conscience whatsoever. I am a firm believer in cause and effect. As a direct result of my beliefs, I am choosing to remain silent with those who continue down that path. I'm not sure what it will take for the wake up call but it will come.
As far as Jason goes, I can only say that given the recent release of SW's ... his time is coming sooner rather than later.
IMO, JMO and all of that other stuff that some may want to use to misconstrue a post.



I am welcoming you back too.
And, Swabby, and anyone else who has not posted for awhile.
:)
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

What do you think the purpose was to release the email between Jason and Kim?

It was not necessary, and could have been a bombshell later on, with Kim asking Jason about his feelings on Michelle's pregnancy?

Kat

[Cardinal]

Scott/Amber?
Or, Jason and MM?

Kat

Jason and MM. It took the release of this latest SW to convince some.

[Cardinal]

Isn't it possible that the killer intended to dispose of Michelle's body and the plan got changed because of all of the blood?

I hadn't thought of that, but I suppose it is. But do you think that Jason would have parked the car at the house initially? If this were premeditated?

I remember some discussion about a parking lot not far from their house - a clubhouse or something. It was speculated that Jason might have parked there to avoid being seen. That made sense to me. Which would mean that, IF it were his car seen at the house, he would have had to retrieve it. Why?

That's it for me - it was a long day.

Goodnight, everyone. :seeya:


ETA: Blisters? There may be a connection there but I'm too tired to make it. LOL

[Kat4Eagles]

Jason and MM. It took the release of this latest SW to convince some.


I didn't argue much in Jason's favor when it came to MM.


But, this paragraph:

KY:
"When you called me to tell me Michelle was pregnant and that you were getting married, I asked you if you were ready for that responsibilty or if you would resent it.
You said you were ready".
*********************************************

Why would they need to email over this?

I am thinking that Kim had just found out about MM and was really mad at Jason for this and the fact it was coming out, and what it would do to C".

Jason on the other hand, doesn't seem that concerned.

I think there is a lot in this email going on.

Kim is trying to make Jason see he is not acting right, by not talking or showing more concern over his wife's death.

Even going back to when Jason married Michelle., and Kim questioning him if this is what he really wanted.

I have so much respect for Kim.

:(

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I hadn't thought of that, but I suppose it is. But do you think that Jason would have parked the car at the house initially? If this were premeditated?

I remember some discussion about a parking lot not far from their house - a clubhouse or something. It was speculated that Jason might have parked there to avoid being seen. That made sense to me. Which would mean that, IF it were his car seen at the house, he would have had to retrieve it. Why?

That's it for me - it was a long day.

Goodnight, everyone. :seeya:


ETA: Blisters? There may be a connection there but I'm too tired to

make it. LOL


Nite, Card, but I want to hear your blister theory..

Do you think Jason did a lot of walking in smaller shoes?

Kat

[MerriMent]

1. Jason didn't have to be removed - he'd never been appointed.
2. There is no 2-year deadline.
3. I'm not going to argue any of this with you. If you have links to Jason's application for probate and the issuance of Letters Testamentary to him, and a link to the 2-year deadline, I'll concede.

What matters is that the Will named Jason Young as Executor. If there's no deadline, why are your feathers so ruffled? You've been arguing about it for several days now. Yesterday, you said you hoped he challenges it.

[MerriMent]

I have a hard time believing a killer would spend enough time in a closet to find a "hidden" wallet with $500 while overlooking the obvious TVs and computers.

JMO

Who said the wallet was hidden? And who said electronic items were not also taken? I think most burglars will take cash if they find it. :rolleyes:

[MerriMent]

Yes it does sound familiar. I don't want to ever get into another case but I saw where in the Cooper case LE is ignoring a woman that told them 4 or 5 times she saw her jogging that morning. I guess just like the tire iron if it doesn't fit with LE theory they just ignore it.

Not only did they ignore the tire iron for a year, they "forgot" to share the information and test results with the defense.

[MerriMent]

But, computers and tv's or other valuable electronics would be heavy to remove.

Remember the news carrier's stmt. that it looked like a car was parked in a way that was loading or unloading things .

What did Jason need to unload except some bloody items, such as clothes, shoes, and weapon.?

They could have been carried in one bag and thrown in the car quickly, as the killer drove away.

And, all those lights on?

I wish we knew more of the exact time Michelle's death was .

Kat

LE won't release TOD because it would clear Jason as a suspect. Their only hope now is to prove he was an accessory.

[MerriMent]

I read that thread here, although I didn't post on it. I noted several similarities between that case and this one. IIRC, David Temple was convicted, and based upon less CE than I've seen in this case.

Which makes me again question the lack of an arrest in this case.

JMO

There was far more circumstantial evidence in the Temple case, including a missing gun that was the murder weapon that the DA successfully tied to David Temple. It still took something like three tries to gain an indictment in that case.

[Barbara2]

LE won't release TOD because it would clear Jason as a suspect. Their only hope now is to prove he was an accessory.

If ANYthing cleared Jason as a suspect, LE would not still be focusing on him. IMO

[MerriMent]

I worry about those CE trials. Wonder how many innocent people have been convicted just because they were womanizers. In my opinion when that happens there is no justice for the dead person and a terrible injustice for the person convicted.

It's understandable a lawyer would advise a client to keep silent under such circumstances.

[MerriMent]

Really?

I have heard and READ otherwise. Things were NOT taken care of...they were tossed "willy-nilly" into a "work-related" storage shed.

Poor Cassidy.

MOO

Swabby

Somehow I doubt investigators shared anything at all with you.

[MerriMent]

If ANYthing cleared Jason as a suspect, LE would not still be focusing on him. IMO

I said they are focusing on him as an accessory. :read:

[Barbara2]

I said they are focusing on him as an accessory.

Don't you think he would have gone all the way to Hillsville and provided an actual alibi if he knew this was going to happen? :shrug:

[MerriMent]

I may be off base here, but, it's my understanding that a will does not become a legal document until it is submitted for probate. If Jason did not submit the Will for probate, then its provisions are not legally binding. Also, if he did not submit the Will for probate, then he did not perform as Executor at all.

Once a Will is submitted for probate, it becomes public information. Therefore, as we haven't found it anywhere, it probably has not been submitted.

Kind of a Catch 22.

IMO

A Will becomes a legal document the moment it is signed and witnessed. I can't imagine how Linda Fisher presented herself as an named alternate executor without attaching the Will.

[Barbara2]

Haven't you ever heard the old joke . There are two things you can't hear in NC thats the truth and meat frying. Course the people that tell that joke like to think of NC as a poor hick state.

Huh???? :confused:

[oakayfine]

Somehow I doubt investigators shared anything at all with you.

Where, in that post, did the poster state anything about investigators sharing anything with her? Why are you misconstruing that post??

[MerriMent]

Maybe Michelle gave her a copy. We don't know. The fact remains that, if Jason did not submit the Will for probate, he is derelict in his duty as Executor and should be replaced by the named alternate. Yes, he can challenge that ruling. But I don't think he can just send them an email saying, "Hey! I'm the Executor, not her." He would have to actually...well...execute Michelle's Will.

Why is Jason derelict? What's the hurry? What assets of Michelle's are in her estate that also don't belong to him as the surviving spouse?

[Taps]

Haven't you ever heard the old joke . There are two things you can't hear in NC thats the truth and meat frying. Course the people that tell that joke like to think of NC as a poor hick state.


No don't believe i have ya want to explain it?

[MerriMent]

Where, in that post, did the poster state anything about investigators sharing anything with her? Why are you misconstruing that post??

Who other than investigators would know the condition of a storage unit rented by Jason Young and would tell a poster here?

Originally Posted by 5swab5
Really?

I have heard and READ otherwise. Things were NOT taken care of...they were tossed "willy-nilly" into a "work-related" storage shed.

[Barbara2]

Who other than investigators would know the condition of a storage unit rented by Jason Young and would tell a poster here?

Originally Posted by 5swab5
Really?

I have heard and READ otherwise. Things were NOT taken care of...they were tossed "willy-nilly" into a "work-related" storage shed.

Who from a company like Novo Nordisk would share confidential company information with a poster here? According to june, it happened. Maybe you can ask her about that. :)

[oakayfine]

Haven't you ever heard the old joke . There are two things you can't hear in NC thats the truth and meat frying. Course the people that tell that joke like to think of NC as a poor hick state.

I'm not from NC so I don't get this joke. Meat frying? I thought Southern fried chicken was a big thing there, in the South. When I fry chicken, I hear it.

[Barbara2]

LOL someone who is her brothr in law.

Interesting. I'm familiar with the family and I don't see that connection. IMO.

[5swab5]

What do you think the purpose was to release the email between Jason and Kim?

It was not necessary, and could have been a bombshell later on, with Kim asking Jason about his feelings on Michelle's pregnancy?

Kat


IMO, that is why there were only snippets of the emails in the SW. Time will tell I suppose.

BTW, by the very virtue of those snippets that were released, my opinion of Kim has increased one hundred fold.

MOO

Swabby

[MerriMent]

I told it in response to someone stating they had heard that Jason just threw his stuff into a storage Willy Nilly I believe were her words. Maybe she didn't hear the truth. After all this is NC.

Or maybe it was just another silly retort to my point that Jason would know if there was cash in his closet and he'd have a good idea of what jewelry Michelle owned. He wouldn't know it all unless they had it itemized w/photos for insurance purposes. Very possible they found some missing things and that's why the 7/07 warrant is sealed.

[MerriMent]

Interesting. I'm familiar with the family and I don't see that connection. IMO.

I believe June is referring to her own brother in law.

[MerriMent]

I'm not from NC so I don't get this joke. Meat frying? I thought Southern fried chicken was a big thing there, in the South. When I fry chicken, I hear it.

Meat is usually more expensive than chicken.

[5swab5]

Maybe Michelle gave her a copy. We don't know. The fact remains that, if Jason did not submit the Will for probate, he is derelict in his duty as Executor and should be replaced by the named alternate. Yes, he can challenge that ruling. But I don't think he can just send them an email saying, "Hey! I'm the Executor, not her." He would have to actually...well...execute Michelle's Will.


Hi Ginger,

It is painfully evident by the latest SW, that Jason hasn't taken care of ANY business regarding his wife and child's murders.

LET ALONE HIS OBLIGATIONS AS AN EXECUTOR!

MOO

Swabby

[Barbara2]

I believe June is referring to her own brother in law.

I am aware.

[oakayfine]

Who other than investigators would know the condition of a storage unit rented by Jason Young and would tell a poster here?

Originally Posted by 5swab5
Really?

I have heard and READ otherwise. Things were NOT taken care of...they were tossed "willy-nilly" into a "work-related" storage shed.

Friends of Jason's? Possibly Meredith if she went to retrieve things. Several people "may" have known the condition of the packed belongings aside from LE.
No one really knows who saw what or who knows what for fact ... almost everything posted is conjecture. The poster claimed she had "read" it. She never claimed she "heard it from LE".
Almost everyone who reads here, realizes that is the case.
Most also realize that words can and will be twisted.
We wade through it all and take what we want and leave the rest.
IMO, JMO and whatever else is needed to prevent the misconstruing of this post ... it is all conjecture. No claims of absolute fact ... only possibilities.

[MerriMent]

Well if you want to send it back down, check out her posts on RU up until 7-6-07...the day the last sealed SW was served.:)

A mod over there told a sub-forum it wasn't Kim and the reason the posting stopped was because that poster was accused of being Kim and received a threatening email that was turned over to the WCSO.

[5swab5]

Haven't you ever heard the old joke . There are two things you can't hear in NC thats the truth and meat frying. Course the people that tell that joke like to think of NC as a poor hick state.


Nope,

Sorry to say that I missed that one...even if I don't understand it?

I have heard a few others in N.C. tho, "Don't mess with my wife, child or dog...or pay the consequences!", comes to mind.

Funny that Jason's dog and child were spared.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Well if you want to send it back down, check out her posts on RU up until 7-6-07...the day the last sealed SW was served.:)

I know,

It was sickening to watch.

All I am saying, is that she either had concerns and tried to bring this to a resolution OR she is FOS.

I Dunno...

MOO

Swabby

I'm POSITIVE I will be able to read her better @ trial.:biggrin:

[jerry50]

Why is Jason derelict? What's the hurry? What assets of Michelle's are in her estate that also don't belong to him as the surviving spouse?

Have you missed the story at WRAL where a judge ordered Brad Cooper to refrain from selling his assets so that they are available for the children?
Normal people don't usually leave all of their possessions to the person that killed them.

One of the purposes of the WDS is to keep JY from paying his defense team with money that is legally Cassidy's.

[5swab5]

Why is Jason derelict? What's the hurry? What assets of Michelle's are in her estate that also don't belong to him as the surviving spouse?


Don't be silly.

Being named as an Executor bears its responsibilities.

LAID out by law!

Being born is simple...very simple.

Dying, by whatever means, at whatever time is not so simple.

Statutes and Protocol reign supreme.

MOO

Swabby

[jerry50]

LOL someone who is her brothr in law.

So your BIL works for Norvo and your granddaughter knew Michelle?

[MerriMent]

The good news is that was Kim and her posts along with yours are preserved. Yep, the mod has all the IP addresses and a simple court order allowed her to release them to interested parties. ;)

I just read and posted in the sub-forum. But preserved for what? Interested parties get court orders and then send intimidating emails because they don't like the opinions of others? That's a little demented in a funny sorta way.

[MerriMent]

Hey I was born and raised in NC. LOL

June, it's not a good idea to share personal info.

[MerriMent]

No worry, interested parties know who posted what about the Fisher's .

There's always discussion about the family of crime victims on forums. Try visiting another one outside of this one for a change. btw, you're the one who is insisting it was Kim Young who was posting so be careful what you preach.

[MerriMent]

Have you missed the story at WRAL where a judge ordered Brad Cooper to refrain from selling his assets so that they are available for the children?
Normal people don't usually leave all of their possessions to the person that killed them.

One of the purposes of the WDS is to keep JY from paying his defense team with money that is legally Cassidy's.

Brad Cooper has been charged with a crime and a Judge ordered that AFTER he was charged.

Jason Young has already sold the house and Michelle's car and he hasn't been charged with a crime.

[MerriMent]

No, other innocent families of murder victim's are not vilified, libeled and drug through the mud like the Fisher's were. Thankfully, there is a civil court system that can and will address that situation.

Opinions aren't libel and ya might want to check out the Caylee Anthony thread. The grandparents are being vilified but not libeled.

[snow_ball]

I just read and posted in the sub-forum. But preserved for what? Interested parties get court orders and then send intimidating emails because they don't like the opinions of others? That's a little demented in a funny sorta way.

You only read and posted in the sub-forum? Hmmmmm. I'm not buying it. You sound a bit scared. And you should be. Tick tock tick tock. Own your words and own your posts.

[MerriMent]

You only read and posted in the sub-forum? Hmmmmm. I'm not buying it. You sound a bit scared. And you should be. Tick tock tick tock. Own your words and own your posts.

No, I'm not scared for I've done nothing wrong.

Why would someone be so worried about what is said on forums that they'd subpoena ISPs and try to intimidate people into stop posting on opinion forums? Jason Young's attorney hasn't done that.

Lo, and behold, I think we know who was served with a search warrant that has been sealed and it isn't Kim Young.

[5swab5]

Well maybe the people that told it around me were being condescending because I came from NC. But I have see on here were several from NC have been condescending to the residents of Brevard. Those people don't know that outside of the state and up north people talk about all of the residents that way.

I feel sorry for anybody and everybody that tries to judge the good people of N.C., by the standards set by a murderer and his VERY few vocal friends in Brevard.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Of course you are right Oakayfine, and that is the way to deal with the problem. After all this time and the latest info we've read, I'm sure this case is about to wind down with an indictment and then there won't be time to read the derogatory posts about the victim's family and maybe the authors won't have the time to write them ! Here's to justice for Michelle and her children :rose:

I WISH!

Alas, history proves the opposite.

You ain't seen nuttin yet!

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

(snip)

Jason Young has already sold the house and Michelle's car and he hasn't been charged with a crime.


AND, he needs some paperwork to go with those decisions!

Selling Michelle's car at a reduced rate to Mommie or Sis, ain't gonna get it!

MOO

Swabby

[MerriMent]

I stand corrected I thought all states had a stalking law.

NC does have a stalking law and here it is. Also has a cyberstalking law. And, no, LE does not encourage either.

Stalking
N.C. Gen. Stat. § 14-277.3. Stalking. 1991. Amended 2003.

(a) Offense. -- A person commits the offense of stalking if the person willfully on more than one occasion follows or is in the presence of, or otherwise harasses, another person without legal purpose and with the intent to do any of the following:

(1) Place that person in reasonable fear either for the person's safety or the safety of the person's immediate family or close personal associates.

(2) Cause that person to suffer substantial emotional distress by placing that person in fear of death, bodily injury, or continued harassment, and that in fact causes that person substantial emotional distress.

(c) Definition. -- For the purposes of this section, the term "harasses" or "harassment" means knowing conduct, including written or printed communication or transmission, telephone or cellular or other wireless telephonic communication, facsimile transmission, pager messages or transmissions, answering machine or voice mail messages or transmissions, and electronic mail messages or other computerized or electronic transmissions, directed at a specific person that torments, terrorizes, or terrifies that person and that serves no legitimate purpose.
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[MerriMent]

What is a sub forum?

It's a section of the forum that restricts membership and is invisible to non-members.

[MerriMent]

Oh he already knows who I am. He always makes sure we know when he finds out our real names. He doesn't worry me I also know his real name.

LOL. I meant don't share it so others viewing here can find out. You don't want to encourage them.

[MerriMent]

MerriMent's post snipped:
"No, I'm not scared for I've done nothing wrong. "

************
:seeya:

Enjoy your trip.:seeya:

[MerriMent]

Thanks. I didn't know such things existed.

Yep. btw, NC also has a cyberstalking law and here it is:
:patriot:

Cyberstalking

N.C. Gen. Stat. § 14-196.3. Cyberstalking. 2000.

(a) The following definitions apply in this section:

(1) Electronic communication. -- Any transfer of signs, signals, writing, images, sounds, data, or intelligence of any nature, transmitted in whole or in part by a wire, radio, computer, electromagnetic, photoelectric, or photo-optical system.

(2) Electronic mail. -- The transmission of information or communication by the use of the Internet, a computer, a facsimile machine, a pager, a cellular telephone, a video recorder, or other electronic means sent to a person identified by a unique address or address number and received by that person.

(b) It is unlawful for a person to:

(1) Use in electronic mail or electronic communication any words or language threatening to inflict bodily harm to any person or to that person's child, sibling, spouse, or dependent, or physical injury to the property of any person, or for the purpose of extorting money or other things of value from any person.

(2) Electronically mail or electronically communicate to another repeatedly, whether or not conversation ensues, for the purpose of abusing, annoying, threatening, terrifying, harassing, or embarrassing any person.

(3) Electronically mail or electronically communicate to another and to knowingly make any false statement concerning death, injury, illness, disfigurement, indecent conduct, or criminal conduct of the person electronically mailed or of any member of the person's family or household with the intent to abuse, annoy, threaten, terrify, harass, or embarrass.

(4) Knowingly permit an electronic communication device under the person's control to be used for any purpose prohibited by this section.

(c) Any offense under this section committed by the use of electronic mail or electronic communication may be deemed to have been committed where the electronic mail or electronic communication was originally sent, originally received in this State, or first viewed by any person in this State.

(d) Any person violating the provision of this section shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor.

(e) This section does not apply to any peaceable, nonviolent, or nonthreatening activity intended to express political views or to provide lawful information to others. This section shall not be construed to impair any constitutionally protected activity, including speech, protest, or assembly.



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[Kat4Eagles]

IMO, that is why there were only snippets of the emails in the SW. Time will tell I suppose.

BTW, by the very virtue of those snippets that were released, my opinion of Kim has increased one hundred fold.

MOO

Swabby


Good for you!!

I think Kim was all over Jason when news of MM broke, and she was trying to somehow make sense of it, and make Jason understand, that , look this isn't right.

I wonder if most people had thought Jason and MM have severed all ties, only to find out this week, they were still carrying on.

The poor sorority sisters who were probably torn in their loyalties for both Michelle's..until now.

:no:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

June, it's not a good idea to share personal info.


No, it is not, and it is a TOS violation for anyone to ask June that.
:no:
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

That is so true Bud, I have never, ever seen such terrible things written about the VICTIM's family of all people as I have seen in this case. It has gone beyond sickening, how on earth anyone can write those kind of things about people they have NEVER met and don't know a thing about is beyond me. No conscience is the only answer and no self esteem along with (IMO) a touch (probably more than a "touch") of insanity is what it would take to pen those venomous posts. There are several posters that should consult with their lawyers about the RU site, it is unbelievable what is written there !


And, to think it all started with a post about embezzlement!!


:no:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Ask June what?



For any personal information, such as where she lives or where her brother in law works.

Tia, are you following this discussion at all?

:confused:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

No, I'm not scared for I've done nothing wrong.

Why would someone be so worried about what is said on forums that they'd subpoena ISPs and try to intimidate people into stop posting on opinion forums? Jason Young's attorney hasn't done that.

Lo, and behold, I think we know who was served with a search warrant that has been sealed and it isn't Kim Young.


:biggrin:

Now, wouldn't that be something!!

Kat

[MerriMent]

Good for you!!

I think Kim was all over Jason when news of MM broke, and she was trying to somehow make sense of it, and make Jason understand, that , look this isn't right.

I wonder if most people had thought Jason and MM have severed all ties, only to find out this week, they were still carrying on.

The poor sorority sisters who were probably torn in their loyalties for both Michelle's..until now.

:no:

Kat

The way I interpret that exchange between Kim and Jason, Kim is under the impression that the reason Jason's attorney won't speak out publicly and defend him is because the attorney wants to be paid for it. Jason explains the attorney's been paid a flat fee that covers everything no matter how long it lasts and Jason will continue to remain silent as instructed by his attorney.

As for Jason and MM, there is no indication their romantic relationship continued after Michelle's murder. It mentions July '07 meeting in Myrtle Beach and 38 days of phone calls at the beginning of this year. Frankly, the phone calls sound more like an Amber Fry-like attempt by LE to catch him saying something incriminating. If he's not talking to his sister, I doubt he's talking to anybody else about the murder, either.

[MerriMent]

:biggrin:

Now, wouldn't that be something!!

Kat

Makes one go hmmmmm........Only lawyers worried about public comments about a client the lawyer KNOWS is guilty would subpoena forums and try to intimidate posters. Now we're told there was such an order to another forum AND it coincides with a now-sealed search warrant. That's very exiting news to learn. Thanks, Bud Wiser!

[Kat4Eagles]

Yeah Kat, and I know the personal info June has posted for the past 2 years.

Don't think its new news to anyone.


:no:

Innocently volunteering information is not the same as being directly harrassed by someone asking personal questions.

And, a Crime Message Board is not the place for any of this.

Can we get back to Michelle and Jason now, Tia?

Thanxxx

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

The way I interpret that exchange between Kim and Jason, Kim is under the impression that the reason Jason's attorney won't speak out publicly and defend him is because the attorney wants to be paid for it. Jason explains the attorney's been paid a flat fee that covers everything no matter how long it lasts and Jason will continue to remain silent as instructed by his attorney.

As for Jason and MM, there is no indication their romantic relationship continued after Michelle's murder. It mentions July '07 meeting in Myrtle Beach and 38 days of phone calls at the beginning of this year. Frankly, the phone calls sound more like an Amber Fry-like attempt by LE to catch him saying something incriminating. If he's not talking to his sister, I doubt he's talking to anybody else about the murder, either.

Could be, but however it went down, I still have the highest respect for Kim, and the fact that her emails were made public, probably has made it difficult for her now to communicate without fear of what else could come out.

Kim has shown great concern for C, and that is all I care about.

Kat

[5swab5]

Oh I,m sure it isn't just this murder. There has been a lot of murders in NC in the last few years. This one is no more special than any of the others. Someones life was taken in all of them.


Except for one thing.

The "Triangle" area seems to not only HAVE, but has HAD a history of being a refuge for wife killers.

So Sad. Even that IDIOT Mark Hacking would probably be walking free today, had he not been too lazy to load the truck and get all the way to Chapel Hill, before he "offed" Lori.

For the ladies: :rose:

MOO

Swabby

Doesn't seem that a man needs A plan here, any old plan will do.

[Kat4Eagles]

TIAZ;12413695]

I was only questioning YOUR post. [/QUOTE]

<snipped>


Tia, for what it's worth, since the last s/w was revealed, most of us have formed a truce.

There really wasn't much left to argue over. :shrug:

Those who still did not like each other, were asked to ignore each other, so that the Board could remain open for future developments in the case.

And, the bannings would stop.

So, if you want to continue fighting you will have to do it without me, sorry!!

Hope this helps.

Kat

[Leanne Weich]

A Will becomes a legal document the moment it is signed and witnessed. I can't imagine how Linda Fisher presented herself as an named alternate executor without attaching the Will.

My husband was named executor in my will and my mom, alternate in case we both died together (because of the issue of minor children) and my mom had a copy of my will for "just in case". Maybe Michelle did the same.

[MerriMent]

My husband was named executor in my will and my mom, alternate in case we both died together (because of the issue of minor children) and my mom had a copy of my will for "just in case". Maybe Michelle did the same.

She probably did. I don't know why the poster assumes the Will hasn't been filed unless she's thinking Linda Fisher is presenting Michelle as intestate.

[Lindsey]

I was just thinking about what we've always believed about Michelle having a doctor's appointment that Friday morning, Nov. 3rd. Did she really have an appointment or was that incorrect information posted on the board? IF she had a doctor's appointment that morning, it probably wasn't with her OB/GYN since she was only 20 weeks along. At that stage, appointments are usually once a month. I believe Michelle's last check up was mid-October and that's when she learned she was carrying a boy. So, IF she had a doctor's appointment that morning, what kind of doctor was she seeing? Or maybe someone was saying 'doctor' instead of therapist?

More things I've wondered about, if Jason didn't call their house that Friday, who did? I remember a S/W said the answering machine 'with pending messages' was taken from the home. Was it the day care center wondering why CY wasn't there? Was it the 'doctor' wondering why Michelle had missed her appointment? Was it PE wondering why she wasn't at work yet? Who tried to call their house that day?

I'm really looking forward to seeing the phone records, landline and cell, of everybody connected to this case.

[MerriMent]

Could be, but however it went down, I still have the highest respect for Kim, and the fact that her emails were made public, probably has made it difficult for her now to communicate without fear of what else could come out.

Kim has shown great concern for C, and that is all I care about.

Kat

The email doesn't make Kim look bad so why would she fear communicating? The forum postings were July, 2007, the same time as a sealed warrant. That's what I care about!

Thanks again, to all!!

[Lindsey]

IIRC, LE took Michelle's will, along with other personal papers, from the house according to the first S/W. I suppose the attorney who drew up the will would have had a copy but apparently Jason didn't have one by the time the house was released by LE.

[MerriMent]

IIRC, LE took Michelle's will, along with other personal papers, from the house according to the first S/W. I suppose the attorney who drew up the will would have had a copy but apparently Jason didn't have one by the time the house was released by LE.

Most likely the reason why Jason had not yet begun the probate process.

[Leanne Weich]

Could be, but however it went down, I still have the highest respect for Kim, and the fact that her emails were made public, probably has made it difficult for her now to communicate without fear of what else could come out.

Kim has shown great concern for C, and that is all I care about.

Kat

Perhaps the sealed SW is for KY's computer?

[5swab5]

Good for you!!

I think Kim was all over Jason when news of MM broke, and she was trying to somehow make sense of it, and make Jason understand, that , look this isn't right.

I wonder if most people had thought Jason and MM have severed all ties, only to find out this week, they were still carrying on.

The poor sorority sisters who were probably torn in their loyalties for both Michelle's..until now.

:no:

Kat



I think it is miserable...all over the place!

Objectively speaking tho:

Does it bother you at ALL, that Heather has NOT been mentioned?

Just Askin'

Swabby

Look OUT, for the COOK-OUT!

[MerriMent]

Perhaps the sealed SW is for KY's computer?

Why would it be sealed?

[Leanne Weich]

Why would it be sealed?

Perhaps there is evidence of some sort pertaining to someone else LE doesn't want tipped off at this stage.

[5swab5]

Most likely the reason why Jason had not yet begun the probate process.

Perhaps,

You need to step back and re-read EVERYTHING!

Jason has a TON of reasons for NOT probating Michelle's will, but NONE of them involve what "LE, is keeping FROM him"!

MOO

Swabby

[MerriMent]

I was just thinking about what we've always believed about Michelle having a doctor's appointment that Friday morning, Nov. 3rd. Did she really have an appointment or was that incorrect information posted on the board? IF she had a doctor's appointment that morning, it probably wasn't with her OB/GYN since she was only 20 weeks along. At that stage, appointments are usually once a month. I believe Michelle's last check up was mid-October and that's when she learned she was carrying a boy. So, IF she had a doctor's appointment that morning, what kind of doctor was she seeing? Or maybe someone was saying 'doctor' instead of therapist?

More things I've wondered about, if Jason didn't call their house that Friday, who did? I remember a S/W said the answering machine 'with pending messages' was taken from the home. Was it the day care center wondering why CY wasn't there? Was it the 'doctor' wondering why Michelle had missed her appointment? Was it PE wondering why she wasn't at work yet? Who tried to call their house that day?

I'm really looking forward to seeing the phone records, landline and cell, of everybody connected to this case.

You raise good points. My daycare would always contact us if we forgot to tell them about an absence. If daycare couldn't get ahold of Michelle, I bet they called Jason. Which could explain why Jason phoned Michelle's office and cell when he did. I noticed the search warrant didn't confirm with Jason's phone records the time he phoned Meredith. All it said was, "According to Ms. Fisher's statement....." That's odd.

[MerriMent]

Perhaps there is evidence of some sort pertaining to someone else LE doesn't want tipped off at this stage.

Kim Young would know if a search warrant was served on her, wouldn't she?

[Leanne Weich]

Kim Young would know if a search warrant was served on her, wouldn't she?[/I]

Of course she would but [I] doubt she'd be telling us.

[MerriMent]

[/I]

Of course she would but [I] doubt she'd be telling us.

what would be in Kim Young's computer LE would want to see? I guess I don't understand why you think she's a suspect.

[MerriMent]

What would be his reasons? Are you speaking of probate taxes?

I doubt there are taxes owed so no hurry in filing.

[Leanne Weich]

what would be in Kim Young's computer LE would want to see? I guess I don't understand why you think she's a suspect.

Twist my post all you like. I never said I thought she was a suspect. My only reason for thinking the SW might be for her computer is to glean information from communication sent and received by her to or from other parties.

[MerriMent]

Twist my post all you like. I never said I thought she was a suspect. My only reason for thinking the SW might be for her computer is to glean information from communication sent and received by her to or from other parties.

I'm not twisting your post, I'm trying to understand it. LE has to have probable cause to get a search warrant and "to glean information sent and received" by someone they don't consider a suspect isn't valid probable cause.

And why would the DA want to seal it? They haven't sealed the search warrants for Jason's or Michelle Money's computers. :shrug:

[5swab5]

what would be in Kim Young's computer LE would want to see? I guess I don't understand why you think she's a suspect.


I must admit to looking at Kim, in the past.

BUT..after the release of the latest SW, revealing Kim's ...compassionate side.

I have had to reassess EVERYTHING!

It was rumored that Heather was replaced as Cassidy's guardian....WHY in ALL those pages, was NOTHING recorded from Heather?

I am Sick.

I think I picked on the WRONG sister for Jason's accomplice. It all makes so MUCH more sense now!

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

I don't think he had an accomplice.

[MerriMent]

I must admit to looking at Kim, in the past.

BUT..after the release of the latest SW, revealing Kim's ...compassionate side.

I have had to reassess EVERYTHING!

It was rumored that Heather was replaced as Cassidy's guardian....WHY in ALL those pages, was NOTHING recorded from Heather?

I am Sick.

I think I picked on the WRONG sister for Jason's accomplice. It all makes so MUCH more sense now!

MOO

Swabby

Now you really don't make sense. What would be Heather or Kim's motive be to kill Michelle? Heather lives in western NC, too far away to be Jason's accomplice nor why would she want to be?

[Lindsey]

You raise good points. My daycare would always contact us if we forgot to tell them about an absence. If daycare couldn't get ahold of Michelle, I bet they called Jason. Which could explain why Jason phoned Michelle's office and cell when he did. I noticed the search warrant didn't confirm with Jason's phone records the time he phoned Meredith. All it said was, "According to Ms. Fisher's statement....." That's odd.


I didn't catch that the time of Jason's call to MF wasn't confirmed by his phone records. I guess by the time I got to that part I was already feeling sick and not comprehending what I was reading. I need to read it again ... but not tonight.

[Lindsey]

I must admit to looking at Kim, in the past.

BUT..after the release of the latest SW, revealing Kim's ...compassionate side.

I have had to reassess EVERYTHING!

It was rumored that Heather was replaced as Cassidy's guardian....WHY in ALL those pages, was NOTHING recorded from Heather?

I am Sick.

I think I picked on the WRONG sister for Jason's accomplice. It all makes so MUCH more sense now!

MOO

Swabby



I had not heard that Heather was replaced as guardian. I thought she had been recently named as guardian, whatever 'recently' means. Who was named as her replacement?

[MerriMent]

I didn't catch that the time of Jason's call to MF wasn't confirmed by his phone records. I guess by the time I got to that part I was already feeling sick and not comprehending what I was reading. I need to read it again ... but not tonight.


Only one mention in the entire document about the time Jason phoned Meredith is on page 2:

"According to Ms. Fisher's statement, Jason Young left a cell phone message for Meredith Fisher on November 3, 2006 at 1210 hours (12:10 pm.)

[Lindsey]

I don't think he had an accomplice.


I'm still not clear on what I think about an accomplice. I still think Michelle was murdered soon after the midnight hour - for reasons I've mentioned several times before - and unless Jason had a private plane I don't see how he could have been back in Raleigh before close to 3:00am I just don't think she was asleep before she was attacked and I don't think she was the night owl staying up that late. If that is true, he had to have an accomplice if he was involved. And that last S/W sure makes it sound like he was involved.

I'm still confused. Can you tell? :(

[5swab5]

I had not heard that Heather was replaced as guardian. I thought she had been recently named as guardian, whatever 'recently' means. Who was named as her replacement?


Sorry Lindsey,

I worded that poorly. Permit me to try again...

It was rumored, that Meredith was the original one in charge and then
it was recently changed to Heather.

Funny, No, not funny...WEIRD that there are NO conversations/emails/etc between Heather and Jason in the latest SW.

Anne Bird in the making?

"33/66/99 Reasons Why My Brother Is Guilty...of MURDERING MICHELLE & RYLAN".

MOO

Swabby

[Lindsey]

Only one mention in the entire document about the time Jason phoned Meredith is on page 2:

"According to Ms. Fisher's statement, Jason Young left a cell phone message for Meredith Fisher on November 3, 2006 at 1210 hours (12:10 pm.)

Yeah, I see that now, right there on page two. I need to read slower next time. Thanks.

[Lindsey]

Sorry Lindsey,

I worded that poorly. Permit me to try again...

It was rumored, that Meredith was the original one in charge and then
it was recently changed to Heather.

Funny, No, not funny...WEIRD that there are NO conversations/emails/etc between Heather and Jason in the latest SW.

Anne Bird in the making?

"33/66/99 Reasons Why My Brother Is Guilty...of MURDERING MICHELLE & RYLAN".

MOO

Swabby

Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying that for me.

I've never wondered about Heather not speaking out in any of this. I guess because I've only heard good things about her and because she was busy helping take care of CY. I would think she had her hands full with all the adjustments she had to make losing her sister in law and good friend and all that entailed. Surely LE has talked to all of Jason's and Michelle's close family members and friends, hopefully soon after the murder was discovered?

Yeah, I vaguly remember the Anne Byrd story.

[5swab5]

Only one mention in the entire document about the time Jason phoned Meredith is on page 2:

"According to Ms. Fisher's statement, Jason Young left a cell phone message for Meredith Fisher on November 3, 2006 at 1210 hours (12:10 pm.)


So much for accentuating the positive!

Jason called Michelle @ work @ 12:02PM

He waited EIGHT excruciating minutes and called Meredith @ 12:10PM.

Paused for the cause and then Jason called Michelle on her cell @ 12:17PM.

THAT is what we call a two-fer....rescue Cassidy and give Daddy an alibi.

WRONG!!!!!!

Why would a guy with a pregnant wife, after trying to contact his wife and SIL 3 times in 15 minutes...then refuse to return 4 phone calls from his MIL a mere hour later? Besides the FACT that he was talking to his "squeeze" on the phone?????????

He was Movin' On.

MOO

Swabby

[Lindsey]

So much for accentuating the positive!

Jason called Michelle @ work @ 12:02PM

He waited EIGHT excruciating minutes and called Meredith @ 12:10PM.

Paused for the cause and then Jason called Michelle on her cell @ 12:17PM.

THAT is what we call a two-fer....rescue Cassidy and give Daddy an alibi.

WRONG!!!!!!

Why would a guy with a pregnant wife, after trying to contact his wife and SIL 3 times in 15 minutes...then refuse to return 4 phone calls from his MIL a mere hour later? Besides the FACT that he was talking to his "squeeze" on the phone?????????

He was Movin' On.

MOO

Swabby


Apparently he preferred talking to his honey over talking to his mother in law. Scum bucket!


Did MF try to call Jason after she found Michelle's body? I noticed the time she called 911 was 1:25pm and LF's first call to Jason was 1:53 pm - 28 minutes later. That's a short span of time for all that had to be going on there, IMO.

My eyes are crossing so I don't need to read anything else tonight.

Goodnight all. Maybe tomorrow will be a better day.

[oakayfine]

Well maybe the people that told it around me were being condescending because I came from NC. But I have see on here were several from NC have been condescending to the residents of Brevard. Those people don't know that outside of the state and up north people talk about all of the residents that way.

That is even stranger. I live up north and have never heard the residents of NC being spoken of in a derogatory way. We love vacationing there at Hilton Head. NC is a great place to vacation.
You seem to be lumping "Northerners" into a group that is non-existent.

[Cardinal]

The following is speculation and theory:

After showering, Jason gathers up the bloody clothes and shoes, and barefoot, goes down to the garage to bag them. While there, he retrieves the gas cans and sees the Franklins he used to stain the deck, slips them on, and runs to retrieve the car. He drives the car back to the house, fills it with gas, bags the gas cans, and tosses the clothes and cans into the back of the car.

He then goes back upstairs, where he accidentally leaves a footprint in the Franklins.

Barefoot + too-small shoes + dew + running = blisters.

[annalyzer]

That is even stranger. I live up north and have never heard the residents of NC being spoken of in a derogatory way. We love vacationing there at Hilton Head. NC is a great place to vacation.
You seem to be lumping "Northerners" into a group that is non-existent.
You hear and notice more things when you're born and raised there. I've heard and repeated on here a lot of old sayings that some people have never heard before.