Michelle Fisher Young November 11, 2008 [Archive] - Page 2

Jules2

11-13-2008, 08:44 AM

You raise good points. My daycare would always contact us if we forgot to tell them about an absence. If daycare couldn't get ahold of Michelle, I bet they called Jason. Which could explain why Jason phoned Michelle's office and cell when he did. I noticed the search warrant didn't confirm with Jason's phone records the time he phoned Meredith. All it said was, "According to Ms. Fisher's statement....." That's odd.

But...... if the day care called Jason to tell him that Cassidy was never dropped off, why was his only action taken, that of calling his wife's work then his SIL to ask her to retrieve a print out and then his wife's cell? Wasn't he worried that Cassidy was never dropped off at daycare? Wouldn't you think he'd have asked Meredith to go to the house and check on Michelle and Cassidy since they seemed to be MIA? Wouldn't you think he'd take or return a call from his MIL if the daycare had called and he knew Meredith was going to the house? Wouldn't it be assumed that if something was wrong, Meredith would have called her mother? You have to remember that if Jason had no idea that Michelle had been murdered, he would most likely be trying to find out where they both were. But he didn't seem to be too concerned.
Talk about "that's odd"

But OTOH....if he knew Michelle was dead, then I can see why he didn't want to speak with anyone but his lover. Of course, after her got someone over to the house to rescue Cassidy first, that is.

IMO

Pag Boi

11-13-2008, 09:03 AM

That is even stranger. I live up north and have never heard the residents of NC being spoken of in a derogatory way. We love vacationing there at Hilton Head. NC is a great place to vacation.
You seem to be lumping "Northerners" into a group that is non-existent.

You do know that Hilton Head is in SC?

Wyn

11-13-2008, 10:12 AM

You are right. that was when we all started looking and found those web sites. If hes talking about libel because of those web sites we didn't post them. We only reported that we found them. Like some one posted where Jason was buying things on ebay. I saw where this one lady posted a photo on a forum of herself or she said it was herself . She was in black like those women that like sex with whips and such. Then she invited another poster to meet with her. I thought gee all we need to negotiate now is the price. LOL For weeks later they made fun of the guy for not meeting her. I thought the whole thing was just wrong. A lot of bad people get on these forums for the wrong reason.

:shrug:

Proof how rumors get started and how most of them start here. That poster you're referring to was wearing a costume for a play she was in. Why are you talking about posters from other forums anyway? At least your post has one item correct. "A lot of bad people get on these forums for the wrong reason."

Wyn

11-13-2008, 10:15 AM

I like it . You put some thought in this story. Now I get to ask questions. Why did he wear the small shoes to start with? Why not just take his shoes off when he got home? Wouldn't the gas cans leave the smell of gas in his car? Does anyone know if Jason always has peeling blister like problem on his feet? Now I ask this question because my husband did. Why I don't know. He was always putting something called asorbine jr. on his feet.

Because his foot print wouldn't make it appear someone else murdered Michelle the way a too small shoe print in blood would.

No, gas cans seal pretty tightly. Unless he got gasoline on the outside of the can there would be no smell.

Doubt Jason had a "peeling blister like problem" on his feet. People around here go to the doctor and have problems like that taken care of, he did have health insurance you know. ;)

Wyn

11-13-2008, 10:26 AM

No kidding!!! Just trying to keep FACTS straight over here is impossible!

And where is Kat and her wagging finger to tell this poster to stay on topic? Seems she only likes to harass the JDI's.

I'm still trying to figure out why something like that was even posted here. :rolleyes:

Wonder if Jason has returned from his murder anniversary vacation yet?

Wyn

11-13-2008, 10:43 AM

Again, where is Kat and her wagging finger telling June to stay on topic?
I am tired of being harassed here by her, yet she lets everything slide with the JII's.

As far as Jason..........No one seems to know if he is back. I feel for Pat Young, while Jason was off celebrating the anniversary of his wife and son's murder, she had to accept the WDS for him and deal with that herself. I wonder if she waited until he got home, if he is home, to tell him?

His thirty day window to reply to the WD Suit is winding down, and who knows if he can get an extension. Of course, he does have plenty of time I suppose since he had no job. Not a lot to do these days besides vacation or pick Cassidy up from pre-school.

Lindsey

11-13-2008, 10:58 AM

I'm a little concerned about the DA opening his files to LF for the WDS. How can they do that with an ongoing investigation?

I recently heard that Sharon Rocha cannot use evidence from the state's case in her WDS against SP even tho he has been tried, convicted and sentenced to death. Seems the judge made that ruling due to future appeal issues or somesuch? Sharon has to prove that SP killed her daughter using her own evidence starting from scratch as if the criminal trial had never taken place. If/when Jason is arrested, it would be another tragedy if he got off because of a technicality such as the DA sharing info they weren't supposed to. I think everybody can agree on that.

IMO

Wyn

11-13-2008, 10:58 AM

What do you think the probability of him "disappearing" is?

Pretty high. He's not going to take responsibility for his actions and his family supports him. I wouldn't be surprised if he disappears and we find out later he was making those traveling plans while in Puerto Rico for the second anniversary celebration of Michelle's murder.

Lindsey

11-13-2008, 11:01 AM

Wyn

11-13-2008, 11:03 AM

I'm a little concerned about the DA opening his files to LF for the WDS. How can they do that with an ongoing investigation?
I recently heard that Sharon Rocha cannot use evidence from the state's case in her WDS against SP even tho he has been tried, convicted and sentenced to death. Seems the judge made that ruling due to future appeal issues or somesuch? Sharon has to prove that SP killed her daughter using her own evidence starting from scratch as if the criminal trial had never taken place. If/when Jason is arrested, it would be another tragedy if he got off because of a technicality such as the DA sharing info they weren't supposed to. I think everybody can agree on that.

IMO

I don't think there's much left to be done in this case so the "ongoing investigation" is almost over. Things are a lot different in NC than in CA. I'm not sure why they won't help Rocha in CA but the Asst. DA for Wake County already said in a news interview they would be happy to cooperate.

Lindsey

11-13-2008, 11:14 AM

I agree CA seems different from most other states. Do you think it varies from state to state as to what could cause a defendant to benefit from a flub up on the state's part? I wonder if the DA has shared info before in cases such as this. Or if a WDS has ever been filed in Wake County before an arrest. I'll see what I can find if I have time to research it later today.

Wyn

11-13-2008, 11:16 AM

You didn't find it strange that she posted the photo then invited a man a married man to meet her? In my opinion only she was playing a part that part was to cause trouble between a certain man and his wife.

What I find strange is that you keep keep bringing up off topic subjects like this. You don't know the context, you don't know either of the players, and you don't know whether he was invited to come alone or not.

Lindsey

11-13-2008, 11:18 AM

You didn't find it strange that she posted the photo then invited a man a married man to meet her? In my opinion only she was playing a part that part was to cause trouble between a certain man and his wife.

Come on June. Let's keep it about Michelle, please? Thank you.

Does anybody know ...
Since the GJ didn't meet this week because of Veteran's Day, will they meet next week instead?

Wyn

11-13-2008, 11:22 AM

Kat has a job. I would assume she is working. As for my staying on topic. The forum says Michelle Young not Jason. All some of you want to talk about is where is Jason and what is he doing. Why does any one care? Is there a warrant for his arrest? If so I bet LE knows where he is as does his attorney. Oh, before you ask, yes Virginia he does have an attorney.

Yes, it is the Michelle Young forum and all the search warrants so far point to Jason as a the murder suspect. SO he IS a MAJOR topic for discussion. A poster on another board who's picture you didn't care for isn't. Everyone knows he has an attorney. What's your point with that random "Virginia" comment?

Lindsey

11-13-2008, 11:27 AM

I have to go do other things too. Hopefully the board will still be here when we get back. lol

There were some other posts I wanted to respond to, especially Cardinal's 'blister theory', but they'll have to wait.

Hope everybody has a good day.

karen

11-13-2008, 11:48 AM

Kat4Eagles

11-13-2008, 11:51 AM

I think it is miserable...all over the place!

Objectively speaking tho:

Does it bother you at ALL, that Heather has NOT been mentioned?

Just Askin'

Swabby

Look OUT, for the COOK-OUT!

I don't know that much about Heather, other than what was posted here, that she and Michelle were very close.

I think Kim took the position of defending Jason because she wanted to clear up some of the mis~information that was being put out there.

I doubt either sister had any involvement in this case, other than loving Jason, and wanting the best for him and C.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

11-13-2008, 11:57 AM

* Jason Young and the woman with whom he was having an affair exchanged about 980 phone calls and text messages between Oct. 4 and Nov. 3, 2006.*

I wonder what MM knows about all this s___t.......Do ya"ll think she is involved in any way in this murder or not?

*Jason Young was also having an affair and exchanged about 50 calls and text messages with that woman the day before his wife's body was found lying in a pool of blood in her bedroom, according to a search warrant made public Thursday*

Justice For Michelle:rose:

The only question I would like to ask MM right now, is how Jason

sounded on the phone with her that morning after the murder.

Other than that, I would imagine she is suffering enough, now that

people know she did not end things with Jason after Michelle died.

I wonder at what point, if ever, she started having doubts about Jason and if she ever directly confronted him.

And, I wonder if she ever thinks she could be the reason behind all this.

:shrug:

Kat

annalyzer

11-13-2008, 12:52 PM

Much easier to suspect the victim's sister?

You want to go there again?

karen

11-13-2008, 01:03 PM

The only question I would like to ask MM right now, is how Jason

sounded on the phone with her that morning after the murder.

Other than that, I would imagine she is suffering enough, now that

people know she did not end things with Jason after Michelle died.

I wonder at what point, if ever, she started having doubts about Jason and if she ever directly confronted him.

And, I wonder if she ever thinks she could be the reason behind all this.

:shrug:
Kat

Well, if she does not have a guilty conscious then she is just as bad as JY....for gods sake to still continue to have an AFFAIR with the man after all that was going on....:flamemad:

alter ego

11-13-2008, 01:27 PM

His thirty day window to reply to the WD Suit is winding down, and who knows if he can get an extension. Of course, he does have plenty of time I suppose since he had no job. Not a lot to do these days besides vacation or pick Cassidy up from pre-school.
Why do you think Jason would be drafting a response and not his atty :confused:

whitywendy

11-13-2008, 01:29 PM

If he did drug Cassidy it would have been easy for him to overlook the bottle in the aftermath of the murder. He had other things on his mind. His mind must have been on overdrive after seeing the carnage he caused. He couldn't think of everything.

my thoughts exactly jerry

:eek:

alter ego

11-13-2008, 01:31 PM

As far as Jason..........No one seems to know if he is back. I feel for Pat Young, while Jason was off celebrating the anniversary of his wife and son's murder, she had to accept the WDS for him and deal with that herself. I wonder if she waited until he got home, if he is home, to tell him?wait...Jason wasn't personally served with the WD suit?

dkny

11-13-2008, 01:48 PM

wait...Jason wasn't personally served with the WD suit?

I was surprised too that he was not personally served, but the Aff said PY accepted on behalf of JY as it was his place of residence. I did not read any specific instructions re service in the papers. If he has an atty he will accept service for him anyway along w/the extension if he needs it. JMO

whitywendy

11-13-2008, 01:48 PM

Haven't you ever heard the old joke . There are two things you can't hear in NC thats the truth and meat frying. Course the people that tell that joke like to think of NC as a poor hick state.

I find that offensive.

the only problem I see with NC is that "some" mothers are raising their boys WRONG. There are still ALLOT of boys proclaiming to be men but expect their wives to cook, clean, take care of them and the kids, oh and of course WORK during all of this. Then when they don't find their wives hot anymore, they seem to think that it is okay for them to kill them and move on.

dkny

11-13-2008, 01:50 PM

whitywendy

11-13-2008, 01:55 PM

No, other innocent families of murder victim's are not vilified, libeled and drug through the mud like the Fisher's were. Thankfully, there is a civil court system that can and will address that situation.

I agree with you. I have read at several other sites and have never seen the bashing of the Fishers like it is here. I guess that was why I registered, not that I changed anything, I just felt like they needed to be defended.

I just don't understand how someone could read all the info that has been released and think..hmmmmm Meridith Fisher did this. hammer

dkny

11-13-2008, 02:02 PM

I find that offensive.

the only problem I see with NC is that "some" mothers are raising their boys WRONG. There are still ALLOT of boys proclaiming to be men but expect their wives to cook, clean, take care of them and the kids, oh and of course WORK during all of this. Then when they don't find their wives hot anymore, they seem to think that it is okay for them to kill them and move on.

I was thinking the same thing the other day, I asked my Husband to dress our son ( 3 1/2) and my Husband turned around and told our son to get dressed. I thought to myself, his wife will not be happy w/me. I am a SAHM, resentment grows when one person is doing everything. MY worked full time and I would bet took care of everything because JY does not seem to be the type to do much around the house without being chased to do it. The security system. 2nd floor heat pump, garage door opener, unfinshed deck cleaning/staining etc. And if she found out about MM too, I hope she did not she deserved alot better. JMO.

whitywendy

11-13-2008, 02:38 PM

I was thinking the same thing the other day, I asked my Husband to dress our son ( 3 1/2) and my Husband turned around and told our son to get dressed. I thought to myself, his wife will not be happy w/me. I am a SAHM, resentment grows when one person is doing everything. MY worked full time and I would bet took care of everything because JY does not seem to be the type to do much around the house without being chased to do it. The security system. 2nd floor heat pump, garage door opener, unfinshed deck cleaning/staining etc. And if she found out about MM too, I hope she did not she deserved alot better. JMO.

It is sad but it is true with so many "southern boys" around here. I bet also that he didn't do any household chores either.

This is the one thing my husband and I seem to argue about too. Mowing the grass and taking out the garbage isn't a fair share compared to cleaning, cooking, laundry and taking care of the kids - husband included. He was brought up that women took care of the "house", dishes...men don't do dishes..... I have heard that crap from my own mother and grandmother and they wonder why the men in the family are so irresponsible and run to mama all the time...... hmmmmmm

Kat4Eagles

11-13-2008, 02:43 PM

Why do you think Jason would be drafting a response and not his atty :confused:

A/E, if you check in , can you explain to me a little more about the wrongful death suit and what exactly will happen.?

Is this right?

If Jason ignores the suit, LF automatically wins?

If Jason chooses to respond, what can he say?

If he steadfastly denies killing Michelle, does he have to answer
other questions?

What about the possibility of him taking the 5th.?

Can anything from the civil trial be used against him if there is a criminal trial?

Also,since, this suit will not get heard until at least a year from now,

I would think L F will not see C anytime soon, such as the holidays, etc.

Thank you, A/E or anyone else who answers.

I can not think of a case I have followed where the civil suit came before a criminal trial and verdict.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

11-13-2008, 02:49 PM

I agree with you. I have read at several other sites and have never seen the bashing of the Fishers like it is here. I guess that was why I registered, not that I changed anything, I just felt like they needed to be defended.

<snipped>

I feel the same way about the Youngs being bashed too.

Strange, cause I had plenty of contempt for the Peterson west family , especially, Jackie and Janie and how they handled themselves throughout the trial.

But, the Youngs have remained silent, and although there is plenty that they would probably like to address, they have not tried to blame Michelle's murder on anyone else, or have come up with any outlandish theories.

Kat

annalyzer

11-13-2008, 03:02 PM

Ok, the Youngs may not have kept so quiet, some think a very verbal poster on another board IS Kim Young and coincidentally the day the sealed SW was served is the day that poster stopped posting. On the other hand the Fishers' have handled themselves with the utmost dignity and class, they have not blamed ANYONE publicly for Michelle's death. They have not come up with any outlandish theories and there is plenty that they would probably like to have addressed as well. So, why have you not felt the same way towards the Fishers as you do the Youngs ? In fact, you have done a good deal of the posting against them yourself ? I don't understand you're thinking, I really don't. These women are the VICTIMS family, they lost a blood relative to a vicious murder and you have consistently backed the possible murderers every action and that of his enabling family.

I have a question. How do we (not me, lol) know about the sealed sw and what day it was served?

whitywendy

11-13-2008, 03:14 PM

I feel the same way about the Youngs being bashed too.

Strange, cause I had plenty of contempt for the Peterson west family , especially, Jackie and Janie and how they handled themselves throughout the trial.

But, the Youngs have remained silent, and although there is plenty that they would probably like to address, they have not tried to blame Michelle's murder on anyone else, or have come up with any outlandish theories.

Kat

Fair - but they also haven't helped whatsoever in trying to find the murderer of their DIL, WIFE, MOTHER of their grandchildren either

annalyzer

11-13-2008, 03:17 PM

Public record.
http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/document/3305206/
Thanks Vanessa.

Wyn

11-13-2008, 03:30 PM

Why do you think Jason would be drafting a response and not his atty :confused:

I don't, I didn't realize that I had to spell it out it out for anyone. Guess I forgot which board I was on. :shrug:

Yes, Jason doesn't have a lot to do besides working on his response to the WD suit, with his attorney.

Of course, it might not take long. They may be able to do it by phone.
Deny, Deny, no comment, no comment, deny, deny, deny!!

annalyzer

11-13-2008, 04:31 PM

I don't, I didn't realize that I had to spell it out it out for anyone. Guess I forgot which board I was on. :shrug:

Yes, Jason doesn't have a lot to do besides working on his response to the WD suit, with his attorney.

Of course, it might not take long. They may be able to do it by phone.
Deny, Deny, no comment, no comment, deny, deny, deny!!

Well that's not nice. Not all of us know everything about how this WD process works. But since you know it all why don't you answer Kat's questions above. Thanks.

Kat4Eagles

11-13-2008, 05:51 PM

Well, if she does not have a guilty conscious then she is just as bad as JY....for gods sake to still continue to have an AFFAIR with the man after all that was going on....:flamemad:

I agree, Karen, I was not trying to make excuses for her.

Apparently, she and Jason were soulmates, you know cause Michelle Y and Steve just didn't "understand" them.

Michelle Y and Steve were probably more grown up and responsible too.

Sounds like Jason and MM were both disillusioned with their lives.

Problem is that they were each married, and each had a child.

The emails from both of them sound immature and selfish..IMO.

I wonder if MM made Jason feel like she needed him.

But, I wonder most of all, if eliminating MY was not one step closer for MM and Jason to be together...

I hope I am wrong on this one.

Kat

BSNBREVARDNC

11-13-2008, 05:53 PM

Does your butt have sores from spinning.:D

Now that is funny.

JDI or JII, I don't care where you line up. That's a good one.:D

Kat4Eagles

11-13-2008, 06:02 PM

[QUOTE=june1943;12416174]Kat, do you remember when MM had her baby? Could Jasons trip to SC have been for a dna?[/QUOTE

I want to say it was sometime in maybe April or May of 2007 that it was posted, I know I had only been here a few months, and I know we all counted backwards and eliminated Jason, because we thought there was no way MM was still involved with him.

Now, who knows?

I may be wrong , and would have no problem with someone correcting me with more accurate info.

Which reminds me, I was hoping Silsbee would show up here, she kept excellent records, timelines, and old posts..

Kat

jerry50

11-13-2008, 06:03 PM

The email doesn't make Kim look bad so why would she fear communicating? The forum postings were July, 2007, the same time as a sealed warrant. That's what I care about!

Thanks again, to all!!

Maybe the sealed warrant has to do with her computer and the ISP for LE to tie her to the defamatory posts about the Fisher's. Depending on what she was posting she may have inadvertantly mentioned something in regards to the killer and LE was interested in knowing where her information was coming from.

We have to think how LE has possession of the emails between JY and Kim. They didn't come from one of JY's computers so I do think it is highly possible that the sealed warrant does have something to do with Kim and her computer.

Kat4Eagles

11-13-2008, 06:07 PM

[QUOTE=annalyzer;12415284]I have a question. How do we (not me, lol) know about the sealed sw and what day it was served?[/QUOTE

Hi Anna,

I just looked that up too, and the date that the s/w was signed was June 5th, 2008 giving it the 180 days to be sealed.

But, it also says.."with leave to request an additional period upon showing of good cause".

Kat

jerry50

11-13-2008, 06:10 PM

Its easy to see how he ended up the way he did.

Pat Young has coddled and covered for him since day the day Michelle was found murdered and I don't imagine this is "new" for her. I would be willing to bet she has done this his entire life.

Not only Pat, but the sisters and family friends. I have a sister just like that too. Some people go through life trying to make everything better. JY doesn't have a Dad so I'll do this for him, he deserves it. It makes the kis grow up thinking that he is entitled.
But no matter how he was raised he made his own decision that day and his family should free themselves of having to make excuses and cover for him.

Kat4Eagles

11-13-2008, 06:16 PM

Maybe the sealed warrant has to do with her computer and the ISP for LE to tie her to the defamatory posts about the Fisher's. Depending on what she was posting she may have inadvertantly mentioned something in regards to the killer and LE was interested in knowing where her information was coming from.

We have to think how LE has possession of the emails between JY and Kim. They didn't come from one of JY's computers so I do think it is highly possible that the sealed warrant does have something to do with Kim and her computer.

Nahh, I don't think so.

If anything, do you think L E may have released that email, hoping Kim would turn on Jason.?

If Jason is the killer, he placed Kim in the awkward position of defending him....

I am so confused.

Kat

jerry50

11-13-2008, 06:17 PM

A/E, if you check in , can you explain to me a little more about the wrongful death suit and what exactly will happen.?

Is this right?

If Jason ignores the suit, LF automatically wins?

If Jason chooses to respond, what can he say?

If he steadfastly denies killing Michelle, does he have to answer
other questions?

What about the possibility of him taking the 5th.?

Can anything from the civil trial be used against him if there is a criminal trial?

Also,since, this suit will not get heard until at least a year from now,

I would think L F will not see C anytime soon, such as the holidays, etc.

Thank you, A/E or anyone else who answers.

I can not think of a case I have followed where the civil suit came before a criminal trial and verdict.

Kat

If JY ignores the suit, yes Linda wins automatically.
Did you follow the Justin Barber case? He testified in a civil suit and his testimony was used at his murder trial to help convict him.
If JY pleads the fifth, from what I have read, the jury can hold it against him.

jerry50

11-13-2008, 06:21 PM

[QUOTE=TIAZ;12414901]I truly hope she was in contact with Jason because she was assisting LE, but for some reason, I doubt it.[/QUOTE

ITA, what a bad egg. Birds of a feather flock together huh ? Her poor Husband and children. JMO

I had hoped that MM was playing Amber Fry but after reading what LE included in the search warrant about her wanting the baby to be JY's, I think she is not on LE's side.

MerriMent

11-13-2008, 06:24 PM

But...... if the day care called Jason to tell him that Cassidy was never dropped off, why was his only action taken, that of calling his wife's work then his SIL to ask her to retrieve a print out and then his wife's cell? Wasn't he worried that Cassidy was never dropped off at daycare? Wouldn't you think he'd have asked Meredith to go to the house and check on Michelle and Cassidy since they seemed to be MIA? Wouldn't you think he'd take or return a call from his MIL if the daycare had called and he knew Meredith was going to the house? Wouldn't it be assumed that if something was wrong, Meredith would have called her mother? You have to remember that if Jason had no idea that Michelle had been murdered, he would most likely be trying to find out where they both were. But he didn't seem to be too concerned.
Talk about "that's odd"

But OTOH....if he knew Michelle was dead, then I can see why he didn't want to speak with anyone but his lover. Of course, after her got someone over to the house to rescue Cassidy first, that is.

IMO

We don't know of Jason's only actions that day. We only know what the search warrant states and it doesn't state everything.

If daycare contacted Jason to inquire about CY, wouldn't Jason's response be that she may have gone with Michelle to her doctor's appointment? I don't know that any husband would be overly alarmed at that point and consider mother and child "MIA"

MerriMent

11-13-2008, 06:29 PM

Yes but remember the attorney that drew up the will was a friend of Michelle's. If LE never gave Jason back his will and this attorney decided to change some wording. Could have happened. The same poster that brought the embezzling story to the forum said the attorney told him personal things about the will. So we might gather she isn't exactly trust worthy. That is if we believe what he told us. Sometimes I thing he just makes up stuff. You know wanting the spot light and all.

Lawyers aren't trustworthy but I doubt the lawyer who drew up the will went that far. I think it is more likely that Linda Fisher didn't present the Will to the Clerk. Her interest in the estate and appointment as Executrix seems to be because she paid for funeral expenses.

Kat4Eagles

11-13-2008, 06:37 PM

If JY ignores the suit, yes Linda wins automatically.
Did you follow the Justin Barber case? He testified in a civil suit and his testimony was used at his murder trial to help convict him.
If JY pleads the fifth, from what I have read, the jury can hold it against him.

I followed some of the Justin and April Barber case.

But, when Justin testified, that was for an insurance deposition, right?

Not a wrongful death suit?

Can you explain how Jason would be questioned differently then?

Thank you!!

MerriMent

11-13-2008, 06:38 PM

Kat4Eagles

11-13-2008, 06:40 PM

[QUOTE=dkny;12414991]

I had hoped that MM was playing Amber Fry but after reading what LE included in the search warrant about her wanting the baby to be JY's, I think she is not on LE's side.

Okay, so do you know what this means?

If Michelle was murdered in Nov, and MM gave birth in Sept, approx 11 months later, do you think she and Jason were still messing around as late as Christmas time?

:confused:

Kat

MerriMent

11-13-2008, 06:46 PM

A/E, if you check in , can you explain to me a little more about the wrongful death suit and what exactly will happen.?

Is this right?

If Jason ignores the suit, LF automatically wins?

If Jason chooses to respond, what can he say?

If he steadfastly denies killing Michelle, does he have to answer
other questions?

What about the possibility of him taking the 5th.?

Can anything from the civil trial be used against him if there is a criminal trial?

Also,since, this suit will not get heard until at least a year from now,

I would think L F will not see C anytime soon, such as the holidays, etc.

Thank you, A/E or anyone else who answers.

I can not think of a case I have followed where the civil suit came before a criminal trial and verdict.

Kat

Jason's attorney will respond to the suit, Kat. He will ask that it be dismissed.

MerriMent

11-13-2008, 06:49 PM

wait...Jason wasn't personally served with the WD suit?

No. Very surprising considering the trouble they went to asking the Judge to seal it so that Jason wouldn't avoid being served.

MerriMent

11-13-2008, 06:55 PM

Well, if she does not have a guilty conscious then she is just as bad as JY....for gods sake to still continue to have an AFFAIR with the man after all that was going on....:flamemad:

We don't know that MM and JY continued their sexual relationship after Michelle's murder. I've seen no evidence they did.

MerriMent

11-13-2008, 06:57 PM

Well we know LE took the will. That was in the beginning SWs. Would LE have kept that will preventing Jason from filing it?

Jason can't file something that LE still has.

Kat4Eagles

11-13-2008, 07:02 PM

It might have mixed but it couldn't have made that baby.

Good one, girl!!!

:lol:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

11-13-2008, 07:04 PM

MerriMent

11-13-2008, 07:06 PM

I followed some of the Justin and April Barber case.

But, when Justin testified, that was for an insurance deposition, right?

Not a wrongful death suit?

Can you explain how Jason would be questioned differently then?

Thank you!!

Considering Jason wasn't the last person seen with his wife and he was also out of town, there's not much more a lawyer can ask him other than, "Did you kill your wife?" Answer: No. "Did you have an affair?" Yes. LE has already made his affair with MM public. Very helpful to Jason from a legal standpoint for LE to do that now, imo.

MerriMent

11-13-2008, 07:12 PM

[QUOTE=MerriMent;12416427]Jason's attorney will respond to the suit, Kat. He will ask that it be dismissed.[/QUOTE

Thank you, Merri, !!

On the grounds of_________________________?

So, I am thinking that maybe the wrongful death suit filing is more or less something that someone can do simply because they can not do anything else??
And, they needed or wanted to do something so bad?

Kat

Yes. Grounds: it is without merit.

MerriMent

11-13-2008, 07:25 PM

Maybe the sealed warrant has to do with her computer and the ISP for LE to tie her to the defamatory posts about the Fisher's. Depending on what she was posting she may have inadvertantly mentioned something in regards to the killer and LE was interested in knowing where her information was coming from.

We have to think how LE has possession of the emails between JY and Kim. They didn't come from one of JY's computers so I do think it is highly possible that the sealed warrant does have something to do with Kim and her computer.

LE can subpoena an ISP directly for emails on a server. LE doesn't give a rip about somebody's hurt feelings on message forums. Please get real. There is no good reason to seal a search warrant for a computer. None of the other search warrants for computers have been sealed in this case. But if you want to cling to the idea it's for Kim, you can.

MerriMent

11-13-2008, 07:31 PM

Nahh, I don't think so.

If anything, do you think L E may have released that email, hoping Kim would turn on Jason.?

If Jason is the killer, he placed Kim in the awkward position of defending him....

I am so confused.

Kat

why would Kim turn on Jason just because of that email? I believe Kim still thinks Jason is totally innocent of murder.

Cardinal

11-13-2008, 07:35 PM

Lawyers aren't trustworthy but I doubt the lawyer who drew up the will went that far. I think it is more likely that Linda Fisher didn't present the Will to the Clerk. Her interest in the estate and appointment as Executrix seems to be because she paid for funeral expenses.

If Linda Fisher hadn't presented Michelle's will for probate, she would've been named "Administratrix" not "Executrix".

Cardinal

11-13-2008, 07:37 PM

alter ego

11-13-2008, 08:06 PM

A/E, if you check in , can you explain to me a little more about the wrongful death suit and what exactly will happen.?

Is this right?

If Jason ignores the suit, LF automatically wins?
She could win by default, the judge could grant an extension even if he does not respond.

If Jason chooses to respond, what can he say?
Deny all accusations and ask to have the suit tossed.

If he steadfastly denies killing Michelle, does he have to answer
other questions?
He either has to answer all questions or none. There is no pick and choose.

What about the possibility of him taking the 5th.?
100% if it gets that far

Can anything from the civil trial be used against him if there is a criminal trial?
Absolutely, that is why he can plea the 5th.

Also,since, this suit will not get heard until at least a year from now,
I would think L F will not see C anytime soon, such as the holidays, etc.

Thank you, A/E or anyone else who answers.

I can not think of a case I have followed where the civil suit came before a criminal trial and verdict.
It is very very very rare. The criminal conviction is normally used as proof. Without that, Linda doesn't really have any admissible evidence (no search warrants are not admissible). If the rumors are true that WSCO has shared evidence from the criminal case with Linda or her atty's then that is discoverable to Jason in the civil suit. I don't see the DA wanting their hand shown before they present to a GJ, so I can't imagine WSCO revealing evidence to Linda or her atty's.

Kat

my responses in red

Kat4Eagles

11-13-2008, 08:09 PM

why would Kim turn on Jason just because of that email? I believe Kim still thinks Jason is totally innocent of murder.

I am sure she does. I hope she does.!!

What I meant, was I am beginning to think that L E has reached a

point of pure frustration and disgust of where they are in this case,

that they just released a lot of stuff.

Including the emails of Kim and Jason, hoping for just about anything to happen.

And, remember , if I am reading this right, the s/w to be released in Dec can be granted an extension.

Will this case ever end?

Will there ever be justice for Michelle?

::deep sigh::

Kat

alter ego

11-13-2008, 08:11 PM

This comment by Sheriff Harrison regarding Linda Fisher filing a Wrongful Death Suit speaks VOLUMES:

"It's something I felt was coming," Harrison said Wednesday, "and my reaction is, I think it was due and the right thing to do."

BTW, at this link 61 people left comments about Michelle's murder and whether or not they think Jason Young murdered Michelle and his unborn son, Rylan

VERDICT ? GUILTY (unanimous)

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3897023/
They sure are giving Jason's atty ammo for COV. Not real bright.

Yes it certainly speaks volumes about Harrison. It shows what an idiot he is. A slick defense atty could successfully argue that Harrison worked in concert with Linda to file the WD suit in an attempt to get Jason on record since he won't speak to WSCO.

Kat4Eagles

11-13-2008, 08:12 PM

my responses in red

Thank you very, very much for going through all that for me.

:)

Kat

Kat4Eagles

11-13-2008, 08:16 PM

[QUOTE=Kat4Eagles;12416214]

I was hoping Silsbee would join us too, Kat. I'd be very interested in her opinion of all this.

Hi Card, very informative nite!!

So, let's say Jason had filed a claim for the insurance money, but refused to answer any questions.

Can he take the 5th there too?

I am trying to figure out the difference of Justin Barber's deposition
as opposed to Jason being asked questions in the wrongful death suit.

Sorry in advance for my confusion.

Warning: it's contagious!!
Kat

alter ego

11-13-2008, 08:22 PM

jerry50

11-13-2008, 08:22 PM

I followed some of the Justin and April Barber case.

But, when Justin testified, that was for an insurance deposition, right?

Not a wrongful death suit?

Can you explain how Jason would be questioned differently then?

Thank you!!

I would think that he would be questioned in the same manner. The WDS seeks the truth about Michelle's murder. JY would be asked many questions about the time leading up to the murder and after. They will also be asking all of Michelle and JY's friends about their contact with the couple. The lawyers will be looking for the inconsistencies in JY's testimony from what his friends told at the time of the murder.

I do not think that the case will be dismissed. I think that that is wishful thinking from the posters who continually villify Meredith and Linda.

Kat4Eagles

11-13-2008, 08:32 PM

[QUOTE=Kat4Eagles;12416214]

I was hoping Silsbee would join us too, Kat. I'd be very interested in her opinion of all this.

I am going to PM Sils, and see if she is still around.

That is the problem with a case going on for 2 +years.

A lot of posters are gone now, they gave up or moved on

to other cases.

Another, sad and heartbreaking part is that this case is just not going to be that big, even if it breaks.

It will just be another case.
:(

Kat

Kat4Eagles

11-13-2008, 08:39 PM

jerry50

11-13-2008, 08:42 PM

[QUOTE=Kat4Eagles;12416547]
Lack of personal jurisdiction - Jason wasn't personnally served.

Also, he will contest Linda being appointed executrix, if she is not executrix, she cannot file the suit.

It would have been easier to serve JY if he wasn't off in PR enjoying the life of a bachelor. I think it had been posted that the suit could be served to his home and whoever was also living there. I can't imagine that the suit would have been served incorrectly by people who know what they are doing. If someone could just leave town to avoid being served there would be a lot fewer trials.
I don't think JY has the maracas to challenge Linda. He didn't give a crap about Michelle when she was alive and cared even less after she was dead, why should it bother him that he is not the executor. After all can a person be both an executor and executioner? My guess would be no.

Cardinal

11-13-2008, 08:43 PM

[QUOTE=Cardinal;12416723]

I am going to PM Sils, and see if she is still around.

That is the problem with a case going on for 2 +years.

A lot of posters are gone now, they gave up or moved on

to other cases.

Another, sad and heartbreaking part is that this case is just not going to be that big, even if it breaks.

It will just be another case.
:(

Kat

It'll be big to everyone who really cares, Kat. And please give Silsbee my best regards.

Goodnight, everyone. :seeya:

jerry50

11-13-2008, 08:50 PM

[QUOTE=jerry50;12416977]I would think that he would be questioned in the same manner. The WDS seeks the truth about Michelle's murder. JY would be asked many questions about the time leading up to the murder and after. They will also be asking all of Michelle and JY's friends about their contact with the couple. The lawyers will be looking for the inconsistencies in JY's testimony from what his friends told at the time of the murder.

<snipped>

QUOTE]

So, even in a court depo, you are under oath.

Do you think Jason's attorney advised him not to try and collect the insurance money?

Thank you, btw, and everyone else.

Kat

Yes, a person is under oath during the depo. I think that if JY's attorney advised him not to collect it is because the lawyer either knows or suspects that JY is guilty. Even if JY files and doesn't get the money he could be tried for mail fraud for the attempted payout.
What honorable lawyer would tell JY to keep his mouth shut if he truly believed that he was innocent?
When John Gacey was being questioned by LE and he called his lawyer, his lawyer told him that if he had nothing to hide then tell LE everything that they wanted to know.
JY can't talk to LE for a few minutes, but look at all the time he spent calling, emailing and texting MM.

Wyn

11-13-2008, 09:28 PM

Is Jason capable of making a phone call to the lawyer who drew the will up, if so, and IF he wanted one, maybe he requested an additional copy, duh...

NO, I'm sure there was only ONE copy made!! The attorney would have NEVER have made more than one, would they? :biggrin:

How dare Sheriff Harrison talk to a MURDER VICTIM'S MOTHER about the case in broad daylight where a photo might be taken. Simply scandalous. It must mean they're up to something! :eek:

alter ego

11-13-2008, 09:44 PM

So, even in a court depo, you are under oath.

Do you think Jason's attorney advised him not to try and collect the insurance money?

Thank you, btw, and everyone else.

KatAbsolutely to both.

In fact, just about anything a defendant utters is admissible if found to be more probative than prejudicial.

I'm sure he was told he would be subject to a depo and that the collection of the ins money could be cited as motive.

alter ego

11-13-2008, 09:46 PM

Over 60 people commented on the WRAL newspaper comment section, unanimously in favor of Jason Young GUILTY !!! There's a preview of what the people want !! :patriot:
60 people.

Not much of a preview. :shrug:

jerry50

11-13-2008, 09:52 PM

NO, I'm sure there was only ONE copy made!! The attorney would have NEVER have made more than one, would they? :biggrin:

How dare Sheriff Harrison talk to a MURDER VICTIM'S MOTHER about the case in broad daylight where a photo might be taken. Simply scandalous. It must mean they're up to something! :eek:

Next thing you know posters will be accusing the sheriff of stalking Linda. :D

MerriMent

11-13-2008, 10:42 PM

my responses in red

It is very very very rare. The criminal conviction is normally used as proof. Without that, Linda doesn't really have any admissible evidence (no search warrants are not admissible). If the rumors are true that WSCO has shared evidence from the criminal case with Linda or her atty's then that is discoverable to Jason in the civil suit. I don't see the DA wanting their hand shown before they present to a GJ, so I can't imagine WSCO revealing evidence to Linda or her atty's.

I think what LE shared with her was the Michelle Money information and I doubt they intended for her to share it via Internet message forums so LE rushed out with the 11/06 search warrant so the public knows all about the Michelle Money relationship. I think MM also the subject of the sealed warrant from July, '07. Not for a minute do I believe Michelle Money was involved in this murder in any way, shape or form. JMO

MerriMent

11-13-2008, 10:50 PM

MerriMent

11-13-2008, 10:57 PM

I would think that he would be questioned in the same manner. The WDS seeks the truth about Michelle's murder. JY would be asked many questions about the time leading up to the murder and after. They will also be asking all of Michelle and JY's friends about their contact with the couple. The lawyers will be looking for the inconsistencies in JY's testimony from what his friends told at the time of the murder.

I do not think that the case will be dismissed. I think that that is wishful thinking from the posters who continually villify Meredith and Linda.

Jason's whereabouts leading up to and after the murder are already known to be Hillsville. You really think he's going to say differently? Fisher's lawyers won't have access to the statements made by friends to police. You really shouldn't be accusing other posters of wishful thinking when you do it yourself. :no:

MerriMent

11-13-2008, 11:12 PM

Linda's WD suit is obviously a 'slam dunk'.
I think we can all agree JY is 'more likely guilty than not'....that's all it takes.

If it's such a slam dunk you wouldn't be spending so much time trying to convince us.

MerriMent

11-13-2008, 11:17 PM

Especially since every time LF comes to Raleigh Harrison ends up doing a photo op with her.

Jason's civil attorney could use it to show bias in the investigation is why it isn't solved.

MerriMent

11-13-2008, 11:18 PM

Maybe it would be helpful if you were to view Linda Fishers attorneys televised press conference, never hurts to inform yourself before you try to inform others. That way no one is MISinformed !

You believe something just because an attorney says it on tv? Good grief, I've lost all hope for you.

jerry50

11-13-2008, 11:24 PM

It is very very very rare. The criminal conviction is normally used as proof. Without that, Linda doesn't really have any admissible evidence (no search warrants are not admissible). If the rumors are true that WSCO has shared evidence from the criminal case with Linda or her atty's then that is discoverable to Jason in the civil suit. I don't see the DA wanting their hand shown before they present to a GJ, so I can't imagine WSCO revealing evidence to Linda or her atty's.

I think what LE shared with her was the Michelle Money information and I doubt they intended for her to share it via Internet message forums so LE rushed out with the 11/06 search warrant so the public knows all about the Michelle Money relationship. I think MM also the subject of the sealed warrant from July, '07. Not for a minute do I believe Michelle Money was involved in this murder in any way, shape or form. JMO

Have you reported these charges to the Wake County DA? You are accusing LE of falsifying info to ask for a search warrant just to leak gossip to the public about JY's affair with MM.
Then you accuse them of lying to get a sealed search warrant on MM even though there is no evidence that she participated in the crime.

MerriMent

11-13-2008, 11:27 PM

Have you reported these charges to the Wake County DA? You are accusing LE of falsifying info to ask for a search warrant just to leak gossip to the public about JY's affair with MM.
Then you accuse them of lying to get a sealed search warrant on MM even though there is no evidence that she participated in the crime.

I think you've stayed too long at Happy Hour jerry because nowhere in my post did I accuse LE of falsifying info or lying to get a sealed search warrant.

caffeinated

11-13-2008, 11:41 PM

I think you've stayed too long at Happy Hour jerry because nowhere in my post did I accuse LE of falsifying info or lying to get a sealed search warrant.
MM, why do you always have to be so mean to posters, can you not be civil? I typically just read here, but your constant cutting tone is disgusting. Please try to be nice. Thanks
:shrug:

MerriMent

11-14-2008, 12:01 AM

MM, why do you always have to be so mean to posters, can you not be civil? I typically just read here, but your constant cutting tone is disgusting. Please try to be nice. Thanks
:shrug:

Intentionally misrepresenting my posts isn't civilized so why don't you and your pals knock it off? Thanks.

Leanne Weich

11-14-2008, 02:50 AM

What the heck is up in NC?

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/17969048/detail.html

Leanne Weich

11-14-2008, 02:53 AM

Kat, earlier on you queried a WDS when noone has yet been charged. Here is one where nobody has been charged i.r.o. one person and a body hasn't yet been found for the other.

http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/080508/loc_313692611.shtml

caffeinated

11-14-2008, 07:33 AM

Intentionally misrepresenting my posts isn't civilized so why don't you and your pals knock it off? Thanks.

I rarely post MM, and misrepresent nothing, please just try to be civil to others. Thanks

Wyn

11-14-2008, 08:11 AM

Jason's civil attorney could use it to show bias in the investigation is why it isn't solved.

It's not bias when all evidence points to Jason. ;)

summertime

11-14-2008, 11:07 AM

whitywendy

11-14-2008, 11:27 AM

What the heck is up in NC?

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/17969048/detail.html

I want to know also. This is making me barf.

I wonder if they are under the assumption that since JA, MY, and KM's husband's got away with it then so can I. Apparently law enforcement in the area just don't seem to think there is an issue or they would put a stop to it.

Isn't there something we as the people of North Carolina do about this?

Wyn

11-14-2008, 11:32 AM

He could but she is a friend of Michelle's and has told posters on this very forum what was in the will. So do you think she would give him a copy? I know a family that had 2 daughters. Things were very much split equally,I saw the will. When my friend died one daughters will was missing from her bureau drawer. It was at her house that my friend died. The other daufghter had her will totally different than what I had seen. She took everything except 100.00. The attorney was a friend of the got it all daughter. Theses things happen.

:no:

Actually, the attorney DIDN'T tell posters on the forum what was in the will. You might want to be careful what you post on this board without proof.

Don't you think that the attorney who drew up the will would recognize Jason's voice if he called and asked her for a copy? She was a good friend of Michelle's so she would KNOW him. What reason would she have not to give it to him, after all, he WAS the executor when LE took his copy?

And OT but YOU brought it up:

I hope you stepped up to the plate and prevented the travesty that you discussed above, since you were privy to what was actually in your friend's will. Perhaps made sure the dishonest attorney was disbarred?

whitywendy

11-14-2008, 11:34 AM

I definitely think JY murdered his wife, but still trying to figure out the timeline....

How far in advance did JY make hotel reservations? Do we know? Or did he just stop and get a room without reservations? All leading to how far in advance did he plan this.

Jason went there for a business meeting scheduled the next day at a hospital. IMO he used this meeting as an opportunity for his murder.

whitywendy

11-14-2008, 11:37 AM

I don't think they think like that. Even when a murdering husband/SO is caught and convicted, potential wife-killers just think they are smarter and won't get caught.

Ginger, I believe this has been happening for decades here in NC. Apparently with the technology we have now, some are just getting caught. I have lived in several states and it seems to be an epidemic here in North Carolina. :no::no:

JHP

11-14-2008, 02:08 PM

That might be what he's saying now. I will see if I can find the post he posted back then. My granddaughter has all posts saved but there are tons of them. I'll post a link if I can find it.

So, your granddaughter posts on this message board?

Kat4Eagles

11-14-2008, 02:08 PM

Kat4Eagles

11-14-2008, 02:12 PM

What the heck is up in NC?

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/17969048/detail.html

Another one, and these were newlyweds?

Kat

Kat4Eagles

11-14-2008, 02:26 PM

MICHELLE YOUNG'S MOTHER WANTS JASON YOUNG TO LOSE TOWNHOUSE.

Trinity Square Townhomes.

Link below.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

11-14-2008, 02:28 PM

MICHELLE YOUNG'S MOTHER WANTS JASON YOUNG TO LOSE TOWNHOUSE.

Kat

http://www.wral.com/news/lnews_briefs/story/3960867

alter ego

11-14-2008, 02:36 PM

Michelle's grave now has a beautiful headstone

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1279649.html

Kat4Eagles

11-14-2008, 02:39 PM

Michelle's grave now has a beautiful headstone

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1279649.html

Finally, huh?
It is pretty.
I think we learned about this the day of Michelle's 2 year memorial,
11-2 and 11-3.
Thank you for the link.

Kat

alter ego

11-14-2008, 02:43 PM

http://www.wral.com/news/lnews_briefs/story/3960867Too bad, the statute says even if found to be the slayer, it is his.

31A‑6. Survivorship property.

(a) Where the slayer and the decedent hold property with right of survivorship as joint tenants, joint owners, joint obligees or otherwise, the decedent's share thereof shall pass immediately upon the death of the decedent to his estate, and the slayer's share shall be held by the slayer during his lifetime and at his death shall pass to the estate of the decedent. During his lifetime, the slayer shall have the right to the income from his share of the property subject to the rights of creditors of the slayer.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bysection/chapter_31a/gs_31a-6.html

MerriMent

11-14-2008, 02:47 PM

That might be what he's saying now. I will see if I can find the post he posted back then. My granddaughter has all posts saved but there are tons of them. I'll post a link if I can find it.

That's what I recall also. Does seem to be a lot of backpeddling and desperation going on, doesn't there? I wonder why?

JHP

11-14-2008, 02:49 PM

No not on this one. She used to post on another forum. That forum has about bit the dust. She quite because someone sent her a threat in a PM.

But she saves all the posts from this one? She should at least post here if she's saving them. I almost took it as a complement when I got a threat. Have her try again.

JHP

11-14-2008, 02:53 PM

Too bad ?
It looks like Linda is trying to be sure the property (or equity) goes to Cassidy.
It was plainly stated that is the point of her WD suit.

I don't think Linda Fishers attorneys would be asking for things if it wasn't at least possible for her to receive them for Cassidy. Do you?

Kat4Eagles

11-14-2008, 02:54 PM

If it's such a slam dunk you wouldn't be spending so much time trying to convince us.

You forgot the imminent slam dunk arrest !!

:biggrin:

Kat

MerriMent

11-14-2008, 02:57 PM

Too bad, the statute says even if found to be the slayer, it is his.

31A‑6. Survivorship property.

(a) Where the slayer and the decedent hold property with right of survivorship as joint tenants, joint owners, joint obligees or otherwise, the decedent's share thereof shall pass immediately upon the death of the decedent to his estate, and the slayer's share shall be held by the slayer during his lifetime and at his death shall pass to the estate of the decedent. During his lifetime, the slayer shall have the right to the income from his share of the property subject to the rights of creditors of the slayer.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bysection/chapter_31a/gs_31a-6.html

Thanks, AE, as always. I guess Fisher's attorneys don't own lawbooks.

MerriMent

11-14-2008, 02:59 PM

I don't think Linda Fishers attorneys would be asking for things if it wasn't at least possible for her to receive them for Cassidy. Do you?

They just did, didn't they? LOL

JHP

11-14-2008, 03:00 PM

Again, Linda plainly stated she wants everything from Michelle's estate to go to Cassidy.

And thats exactly how it should be. I think when I replyed to you I was thinking I was replying to AE. Sorry if you thought I was disagreeing with you.

Kat4Eagles

11-14-2008, 03:00 PM

I don't think Linda Fishers attorneys would be asking for things if it wasn't at least possible for her to receive them for Cassidy. Do you?

I have no problem with that, but why are they not asking for C instead of money and property?

:confused:

Kat

alter ego

11-14-2008, 03:01 PM

I don't think Linda Fishers attorneys would be asking for things if it wasn't at least possible for her to receive them for Cassidy. Do you?Then they should read the statute that specifically says he would retain his half of the property until his death and then it would go to the estate of the decedent.

I was under the impression from prior posts that the will was setup so that almost all of Michelle and Jason's assets would go to Cassidy in the event they both died. Do you, or anyone else, recall anything like that.....or do I have cases mixed up?

MerriMent

11-14-2008, 03:02 PM

Boy she is a real piece of work isn't she. Jason had that before he met Michelle. She's trying to cash in on everything she can get her hands on and then go for custody of Cassie and have control over all of it. Thanks to RPD we know what almost hap pend to Cassie's trust fund.

She really is a piece of work because that's an income-producing property being used to support Cassie right now.

MerriMent

11-14-2008, 03:05 PM

Then they should read the statute that specifically says he would retain his half of the property until his death and then it would go to the estate of the decedent.

I was under the impression from prior posts that the will was setup so that almost all of Michelle and Jason's assets would go to Cassidy in the event they both died. Do you, or anyone else, recall anything like that.....or do I have cases mixed up?

That's my impression as well, so all this jockeying for Cassie is just a grab for control.

MerriMent

11-14-2008, 03:07 PM

I have no problem with that, but why are they not asking for C instead of money and property?

:confused:

Kat

Because right now legally she can't gain custody of CY. iirc, the statutes say only a parent, guardian or the state can request a change in custody and even then they'd have to prove Jason an unfit parent.

JHP

11-14-2008, 03:08 PM

I have no problem with that, but why are they not asking for C instead of money and property?

:confused:

Kat

I know if I were in Linda Fishers shoes, I would have searched out that possibility probably before the funeral. With LE and Attorneys. Wouldn't you have? I suspect some sort of CPS has been involved from the start. Maybe we will find out one day.

I have also wondered if it was because of Cassidys situation that the Coopers were advised to do what they did right away. But maybe the Cooper husband did not have family backing, or some sort of other history that made it possible.

JMO

JHP

11-14-2008, 03:11 PM

Then they should read the statute that specifically says he would retain his half of the property until his death and then it would go to the estate of the decedent.

I was under the impression from prior posts that the will was setup so that almost all of Michelle and Jason's assets would go to Cassidy in the event they both died. Do you, or anyone else, recall anything like that.....or do I have cases mixed up?

I would have thought they would have throughly researched this though.

I don't recall that but it makes sense.

dkny

11-14-2008, 03:11 PM

Re: didn't JY own it w/someone else and MY bought them out. If it was before they married it is a separate interest. Married couples are automatically JT unless set up another way. I bet LF lent/gave buyout $ to MYand can prove it. LF has really good legal advice she would not bother if she could not secure it for CY. JMO.

alter ego

11-14-2008, 03:12 PM

I have no problem with that, but why are they not asking for C instead of money and property?

:confused:

KatDuuno :shrug:

alter ego

11-14-2008, 03:20 PM

I know if I were in Linda Fishers shoes, I would have searched out that possibility probably before the funeral. With LE and Attorneys. Wouldn't you have? I suspect some sort of CPS has been involved from the start. Maybe we will find out one day.

I have also wondered if it was because of Cassidys situation that the Coopers were advised to do what they did right away. But maybe the Cooper husband did not have family backing, or some sort of other history that made it possible.

JMOThe Cooper case had 2 elements lacking in this case regarding custody - the father had a history of suicidal tendacies and there was a custody dispute in the works with the pending divorce.

alter ego

11-14-2008, 03:21 PM

annalyzer

11-14-2008, 03:22 PM

Still no arrest? What are they waiting on, Christmas?

alter ego

11-14-2008, 03:25 PM

Still no arrest? What are they waiting on, Christmas?

Some forensic testing according to Donnie.

dkny

11-14-2008, 03:27 PM

Doesn't matter. Michelle's estate has 1/2 of the property, Jason has the other half.

That's right CY would be entitled to 1/2 income/expenses, and when/if the WD suit is won, JY's 1/2 willl be easy to attach to for CY and it will become part of estate for CY. JMO

JHP

11-14-2008, 03:28 PM

The Cooper case had 2 elements lacking in this case regarding custody - the father had a history of suicidal tendacies and there was a custody dispute in the works with the pending divorce.

I haven't kept up with that case, But I was resonably certain there was something there that wasn't in this one.

JMO

MerriMent

11-14-2008, 03:36 PM

That's right CY would be entitled to 1/2 income/expenses, and when/if the WD suit is won, JY's 1/2 willl be easy to attach to for CY and it will become part of estate for CY. JMO

Jason Young is the sole owner now and he isn't dead. CY has 0 interest in the rental property until Jason's death or he puts her on the title.

alter ego

11-14-2008, 03:37 PM

That's my impression as well, so all this jockeying for Cassie is just a grab for control.
Ok, so if that's that case then how would it work IF Linda prevailed and Jason was declared in a civil court to be a slayer.

According to statutes, he would be deemed to have died prior to Michelle for the purpose of asset distribution. Half of their joint belongings would go to her estate and he would retain his half. For the purpose of the will, it would be distributed as if Jason were deceased, so that means Cassidy would get all her mother's half of joint property and then all of her father's half upon his death. Additionally he would be barred from receiving any life ins benefits, again that would go to Cassidy as part of the estate of her mother.

That is exactly what would happen if he was convicted of murder in a criminal trial.

So....is Linda not confident that WSCO will ever solve the case in tryng to get a civil action to name Jason a slayer instead of waiting for the same result from a criminal conviction?

dkny

11-14-2008, 03:44 PM

Jason Young is the sole owner now and he isn't dead. CY has 0 interest in the rental property until Jason's death or he puts her on the title.

I did not read the deed hence the way I worded my msg. I could be wrong but I believe they were not married @ the time, if that is the case JY is not sole owner. Even if the property was a marital asset, and JY is the sole owner of property his ownership is still up for grabs when/if the WD suit is won on behalf of CY. He can not sell the property now either. JMO

alter ego

11-14-2008, 03:50 PM

That's right CY would be entitled to 1/2 income/expenses, and when/if the WD suit is won, JY's 1/2 willl be easy to attach to for CY and it will become part of estate for CY. JMO
Yes, Cassidy would get Michelle's half from her estate. And if the WD is successful in declaring Jason a slayer, it would remain Jason's property until his death and then it would become part of Michelle's estate which would then go to Cassidy as her sole heir.

alter ego

11-14-2008, 03:55 PM

Jason Young is the sole owner now and he isn't dead. CY has 0 interest in the rental property until Jason's death or he puts her on the title.The rental property is seperate property, not marital property?

dkny

11-14-2008, 03:55 PM

Yes, Cassidy would get Michelle's half from her estate. And if the WD is successful in declaring Jason a slayer, it would remain Jason's property until his death and then it would become part of Michelle's estate which would then go to Cassidy as her sole heir.

I don't think it is safe from a WD Judgment if it was separate interest b4 the marriage. JMO.

Kat4Eagles

11-14-2008, 03:55 PM

Duuno :shrug:

Okay, but look.!!

By LF filing this wrongful death suit, she is publicly stating for the very first

time (although it was not a very good kept secret) that Jason is

responsible for killing Michelle.

She has now declared Jason a murderer for all the world to see.

And, yet, not her, not L E, not CPS still has a problem with C living with him.

Now, I know the difference between callling someone a murderer and actually proving it.

I have defended this man for close to 2 years here on the same theory.

And, here is another thing.

There are posts about how broke he is, and yet the guy supposedly

just went to Puerto Rico,(AGAIN) he just got back home.!!

I don't see him having any money problems then, do you?

Kat

alter ego

11-14-2008, 04:02 PM

I don't think it is safe from a WD Judgment if it was separate interest b4 the marriage. JMO.
Yeah, if it's seperate property, that changes everything.

alter ego

11-14-2008, 04:04 PM

Okay, but look.!!

By LF filing this wrongful death suit, she is publicly stating for the very first

time (although it was not a very good kept secret) that Jason is

responsible for killing Michelle.

She has now declared Jason a murderer for all the world to see.

And, yet, not her, not L E, not CPS still has a problem with C living with him.

Now, I know the difference between callling someone a murderer and actually proving it.

I have defended this man for close to 2 years here on the same theory.

And, here is another thing.

There are posts about how broke he is, and yet the guy supposedly

just went to Puerto Rico,(AGAIN) he just got back home.!!

I don't see him having any money problems then, do you?

Kat

There doesn't seem to be much in this case that makes sense.

MerriMent

11-14-2008, 04:09 PM

Ok, so if that's that case then how would it work IF Linda prevailed and Jason was declared in a civil court to be a slayer.

According to statutes, he would be deemed to have died prior to Michelle for the purpose of asset distribution. Half of their joint belongings would go to her estate and he would retain his half. For the purpose of the will, it would be distributed as if Jason were deceased, so that means Cassidy would get all her mother's half of joint property and then all of her father's half upon his death. Additionally he would be barred from receiving any life ins benefits, again that would go to Cassidy as part of the estate of her mother.

That is exactly what would happen if he was convicted of murder in a criminal trial.

So....is Linda not confident that WSCO will ever solve the case in tryng to get a civil action to name Jason a slayer instead of waiting for the same result from a criminal conviction?

Her motivation all along seems to be control of the money. She wants to pay herself part of it to control it.

I'm pretty sure slayer laws apply to criminal convictions only but it's also a moot point because the insurance benefits will go to Michelle's next heir, Cassidy anyway.

dkny

11-14-2008, 04:11 PM

Yeah, if it's seperate property, that changes everything.

Just looked the Deed up they were married put it was for a $1 from Grantor (to avoid tax ?) so if there is a lien or something else I do not know. The Wake books are so slow. JMO.

MerriMent

11-14-2008, 04:13 PM

Yeah, if it's seperate property, that changes everything.

It's a property Michelle and Jason owned jointly and lived in as their primary residence. They moved to Birchleaf and it became a rental income-producing property but I don't know if it is now. Jason may have moved back into it.

Kat4Eagles

11-14-2008, 04:14 PM

Linda Fisher cannot do anything about custody of Cassidy until Jason Young has been named a suspect, indicted for the murder of Michelle or tries to hurt himself or someone else and it would have to be witnessed/proven. So, if she wins this Wrongful Death suit against Jason or he is arrested, she can then file for custody. Common sense...

So, has she at least tried?

Because all the $$ in the world awarded to her and all the property in the world deeded over to her does not bring Michelle back.

This to me, is a desperate act, seemingly encouraged by L E, and

for no other reason than because there is simply nothing else that they

can do and no other way to make Jason pay.

It follows right on the heels of the story where Nancy Cooper's parents just filed a suit to prevent Brad from selling anything, BUT, at least the Cooper's filed their protective temporary child custody hearing FIRST.

So, which is more important?

JMO

Kat

alter ego

11-14-2008, 04:18 PM

Her motivation all along seems to be control of the money. She wants to pay herself part of it to control it.

I'm pretty sure slayer laws apply to criminal convictions only but it's also a moot point because the insurance benefits will go to Michelle's next heir, Cassidy anyway.
The statute allows a civil court to name a person a slayer"

§ 31A‑3. Definitions.

(3) "Slayer" means any of the following:

d. A person who is found by a preponderance of the evidence in a civil action brought within two years after the death of the decedent to have willfully and unlawfully killed the decedent or procured the killing of the decedent. If a criminal proceeding is brought against the person to establish the person's guilt as a principal or accessory before the fact of the willful and unlawful killing of the decedent within two years after the death of the decedent, the civil action may be brought within 90 days after a final determination is made by a court of competent jurisdiction in that criminal proceeding or within the original two years after the death of the decedent, whichever is later. The burden of proof in the civil action is on the party seeking to establish that the killing was willful and unlawful for the purposes of this Article.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bysection/chapter_31a/gs_31a-3.html

still curious as to how she is going to prove Jason willfully and unlawfully killed Michelle.

MerriMent

11-14-2008, 04:21 PM

Didn't Jason co-own it with another guy and then he and Michelle bought that guy out ? Probably with Michelle's earnings.

Doesn't matter. The property was held jointly with right of survivorship at the time of Michelle's death.

Kat4Eagles

11-14-2008, 04:22 PM

Kat4Eagles

11-14-2008, 04:24 PM

If anyone is interested how the posters here feel about this case, you can vote on Jason Young's GUILT or INNOCENCE on the Michelle Young opening page here on IS. So far the vote is 16 for GUILTY
0 for INNOCENT :patriot:

Just go to the top of this page and where it says In Session Message Boards, click on Michelle Young and you will be taken to the Poll. It is the 3rd item down on that page.

Is there a vote for undeciders or ":flip~floppers"?
:biggrin:

Kat

5swab5

11-14-2008, 04:24 PM

If anyone is interested how the posters here feel about this case, you can vote on Jason Young's GUILT or INNOCENCE on the Michelle Young opening page here on IS. So far the vote is 16 for GUILTY
0 for INNOCENT :patriot:

Just go to the top of this page and where it says In Session Message Boards, click on Michelle Young and you will be taken to the Poll. It is the 3rd item down on that page.

Thank You for creating the poll for us.

Hey, I just discovered something good about the new format, AOLers can vote in polls.:)

Now for the admonishment.

Please Guys, keep it honest.

One person...One vote.

TIA

Swabby

Kat4Eagles

11-14-2008, 04:25 PM

Your fabrications and bashing of Michelle's mother are really very hard to take, can you please stick to facts that you can back up with some proof ? I don't understand the moderation here, you have been in violation of TOS for days, I guess I'll go see about that, I have tried to ignore you but it's become impossible.

CW left a message she was on vacation, don't worry, she will have lots to read when she gets back, if she is not back by now.

:biggrin:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

11-14-2008, 04:28 PM

Thank You for creating the poll for us.

Hey, I just discovered something good about the new format, AOLers can vote in polls.:)

Now for the admonishment.

Please Guys, keep it honest.

One person...One vote.

TIA

Swabby

Come on Swabby, who is going to rig a message board poll that has no meaning or bearing on the outcome of the case?

So, if Jason gets a innocent vote, should I notify Quantico they have the wrong man?

:shrug:

Kat

alter ego

11-14-2008, 04:30 PM

Just looked the Deed up they were married put it was for a $1 from Grantor (to avoid tax ?) so if there is a lien or something else I do not know. The Wake books are so slow. JMO.

Says it was deeded in '03.

http://i36.tinypic.com/o10dwm.jpg

5swab5

11-14-2008, 04:30 PM

The statute allows a civil court to name a person a slayer"

§ 31A‑3. Definitions.

(3) "Slayer" means any of the following:

d. A person who is found by a preponderance of the evidence in a civil action brought within two years after the death of the decedent to have willfully and unlawfully killed the decedent or procured the killing of the decedent. If a criminal proceeding is brought against the person to establish the person's guilt as a principal or accessory before the fact of the willful and unlawful killing of the decedent within two years after the death of the decedent, the civil action may be brought within 90 days after a final determination is made by a court of competent jurisdiction in that criminal proceeding or within the original two years after the death of the decedent, whichever is later. The burden of proof in the civil action is on the party seeking to establish that the killing was willful and unlawful for the purposes of this Article.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bysection/chapter_31a/gs_31a-3.html

still curious as to how she is going to prove Jason willfully and unlawfully killed Michelle.

Thanks for the Info AE,

I must say, I am embarrassed to live in a State that can't or will not ratify Laci&Connors Law, but has a SLAYERS law on the books?:cuss:

Disgraceful! IMHO!

Swabby

5swab5

11-14-2008, 04:32 PM

Come on Swabby, who is going to rig a message board poll that has no meaning or bearing on the outcome of the case?

So, if Jason gets a innocent vote, should I notify Quantico they have the wrong man?

:shrug:

Kat

Just covering the bases.

I still believe in handshake deals and a person's word as meaning something.

Color me gullible.

Swabby

MerriMent

11-14-2008, 04:36 PM

The statute allows a civil court to name a person a slayer"

§ 31A‑3. Definitions.

(3) "Slayer" means any of the following:

d. A person who is found by a preponderance of the evidence in a civil action brought within two years after the death of the decedent to have willfully and unlawfully killed the decedent or procured the killing of the decedent. If a criminal proceeding is brought against the person to establish the person's guilt as a principal or accessory before the fact of the willful and unlawful killing of the decedent within two years after the death of the decedent, the civil action may be brought within 90 days after a final determination is made by a court of competent jurisdiction in that criminal proceeding or within the original two years after the death of the decedent, whichever is later. The burden of proof in the civil action is on the party seeking to establish that the killing was willful and unlawful for the purposes of this Article.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bysection/chapter_31a/gs_31a-3.html

still curious as to how she is going to prove Jason willfully and unlawfully killed Michelle.

Thanks. Good question because I don't believe Linda Fisher has any proof beyond what LE released in that 11/6 warrant. I think the DA went into a tailspin when her attorneys proclaimed LE has given them proof Jason was involved. Jason does have the right to due process and for LE to use civil attorneys to call him a murderer isn't part of it, is it?

MerriMent

11-14-2008, 04:37 PM

I was answering another poster who was calling Linda Fisher "a real piece of work" among other things because she thought Jason was the sole owner of that townhouse and LF was trying to rob him of it.

Jason IS the sole owner of the townhouse.

alter ego

11-14-2008, 04:38 PM

Doesn't matter. The property was held jointly with right of survivorship at the time of Michelle's death.It sure appears that way. It was quitclaimed to both of them.

http://i36.tinypic.com/2w4wt8i.jpg

Kat4Eagles

11-14-2008, 04:38 PM

Says it was deeded in '03.

http://i36.tinypic.com/o10dwm.jpg

Wow, thank you!!

Well, I guess since the wrongful death suit will not even be heard for a minimum of a year, and most likely not for 18 months, according
to LF's attorneys, that this will be a discussion here for a long time to come.

And, 3 more trips to Puerto Rico!!

Kat

alter ego

11-14-2008, 04:40 PM

Jason IS the sole owner of the townhouse.He may be he sole owner, but it appears it was marital property meaning he only has rights to half of it and Michelle's estate gets the other half.

Which technically means today he has 100% ownership since he has not been named a slayer by any court.

5swab5

11-14-2008, 04:42 PM

Jason IS the sole owner of the townhouse.

That's a pretty declarative statement.

Has it ever been discovered, whether or not the Townhouse is actually paid off?

Forgive me, if I missed it.

TIA

Swabby

Kat4Eagles

11-14-2008, 04:42 PM

It sure appears that way. It was quitclaimed to both of them.

http://i36.tinypic.com/2w4wt8i.jpg

You guys are good, so, is the townhome empty at this time?

Or is there rental income coming in?

Wasn't there a time when Michelle's sister stayed there, or was that when they all lived there when C was a baby and Michelle's sister moved all the way from NY to be her nanny?

TIA

Kat

MerriMent

11-14-2008, 04:43 PM

He may be he sole owner, but it appears it was marital property meaning he only has rights to half of it and Michelle's estate gets the other half.

Which technically means today he has 100% ownership since he has not been named a slayer by any court.

I couldn't open your link. Didn't they own it with rights of survivorship?
Property owned jwrs does not pass through probate.

alter ego

11-14-2008, 04:44 PM

Thanks. Good question because I don't believe Linda Fisher has any proof beyond what LE released in that 11/6 warrant. I think the DA went into a tailspin when her attorneys proclaimed LE has given them proof Jason was involved. Jason does have the right to due process and for LE to use civil attorneys to call him a murderer isn't part of it, is it?I would not be surprised if Jason's atty argued that WSCO worked w/Linda to get this filed so that they can try to get him on record making a statement.

Nothing like circumventing the law or someone's rights to solve a case. barf

Kat4Eagles

11-14-2008, 04:46 PM

Thanks. Good question because I don't believe Linda Fisher has any proof beyond what LE released in that 11/6 warrant. I think the DA went into a tailspin when her attorneys proclaimed LE has given them proof Jason was involved. Jason does have the right to due process and for LE to use civil attorneys to call him a murderer isn't part of it, is it?

Excellent point, I was beginning to wonder L E's position in this, and why in the world would they do anything to jeopardize their criminal case?

This is a capital murder case , right?, one that could ask for the Death Penalty?

Hmmm.

Kat

MerriMent

11-14-2008, 04:47 PM

That's a pretty declarative statement.

Has it ever been discovered, whether or not the Townhouse is actually paid off?

Forgive me, if I missed it.

TIA

Swabby

We're talking about ownership on the title, not liens.

jerry50

11-14-2008, 04:47 PM

Thanks, AE, as always. I guess Fisher's attorneys don't own lawbooks.
If you read it correctly the law says that the decedent's share goes to their own estate, it does not pass to the killer even though it was held jointly. So Cassidy would be the rightful heir to Michelle's half.
Linda is trying to protect what is legally Cassidy's and I am sure she doesn't want to see the property sold and JY use the money from Cassidy's half to pay for a defense.

MerriMent

11-14-2008, 04:50 PM

I would not be surprised if Jason's atty argued that WSCO worked w/Linda to get this filed so that they can try to get him on record making a statement.

Nothing like circumventing the law or someone's rights to solve a case. barf

Harrison is turning this into a circus the way Nifong did. That didn't work out so swell for Nifong thanks in part to the law firm that happens to be representing Jason Young.

Kat4Eagles

11-14-2008, 04:52 PM

Jason most likely bashed Cassidy's mothers head in and left Cassidy there alone four HOURS with her dead mommy........how can you confidently post:

"Jason would never fail to provide for C, or would the Youngs"????

I hope Linda secures Cassidys future by any means she can. A man who beats to death the mother of his children cannot be trusted to "provide" for anyone but himself.

IMO

I am basing the confidence of my post on the fact that Jason and the Youngs have been taking care of C for the last 2 + years , and have made sure she had therapy and attends day care.

I don't see anyone else worried about her, do you?

No emergency custody or court appointed visitation hearings have been filed, right?

Just a suit to make sure C gets all the monetary assets coming to her.

:shrug:

Kat

alter ego

11-14-2008, 04:54 PM

I couldn't open your link. Didn't they own it with rights of survivorship?
Property owned jwrs does not pass through probate.

Not sure...where is that normally specified?

5swab5

11-14-2008, 04:54 PM

Yea Swabby, if it has been paid off, odds are Linda Fisher is probably the one who paid it, that or Michelle probably made most or all of the payments after she bought out the other co-owner.

Thanks,

Is it still occupied by Jason's friends?

Wonder when the last time he increased the rent.

Bet that could be easily surmised, depending IF they thought Jason was innocent or guilty.

Meow :biggrin:

MOO, nevertheless.

Swabby