Ten reasons why Phil Spector did not murder Lana Clarkson

[ByGollyGee]

Just the Facts Mam’, just the Facts.

The idea is simple, only single facts admitted into Evidence in the Harvey Phillip Spector trial #1, no attorney statements, just witness statements and items. All facts, to the best of your ability, should be uncontested by either side.

I will start by adding a few “single facts” to try and demonstrate what I am suggesting that we try to do.



-Lana Jean Clarkson, (DoB, April 5th, 1962), was found, shot dead by a single bullet on the morning of February 3rd, 2003.

-The location of this death was “The Pyrenees Castle” located at 1700 Grandview in Alhambra, California.

-The “Pyrenees Castle” was and is owned by Harvey Phillip Spector.

-The gun that fired the fatal shot was a aluminum framed Colt Cobra with a two inch barrel

-The Colt Cobra was owned by Harvey Phillip Spector

ByGollyGee

[Jayne]

The defendant did not take the stand.

Often during the trial viewers could see PS's hands shaking/trembling.

However, the defendant did stand and extend his arm with his hand and forefinger depicting holding a gun - his hand did not shake or tremble.

[ByGollyGee]

-Harvey Phillip Spector stood and demonstrated holding a gun at the request of defense attorney Christopher Plourd.

-The ladies white jacket worn by Harvey Phillip Spector has high speed blood spatter from Lana Jean Clarkson on the front of it.

-Lana Clarkson's blood was on the wet diaper on the bathroom floor.

ByGollyGee

[ByGollyGee]

-Brass deadbolt thumblatch was missing on back door and was found on foyer floor

-Blood on thumblatch bolt was DNA tested and matched Lana Jean Clarkson' DNA

-Colt Cobra was found under Lana Jean Clarkson's left leg

-Harvey Phillip Spectors linen ladies jacket was found in second floor dressing room

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[ByGollyGee]

-Interesting fact just in from trial #2, Harvey Phillip Spector attorney Doron Weinberg asks Dorothy Melvin about gun waving and she states that Harvery got mad at someone who thought he was Dudley Moore and chased then down a New York Street with a gun.

-Another interesting just in from trial 2, Vincent Tannazzo private investigators license is provided by his brother's license for the business.

ByGollyGee

[Spectorfan8]

Not one of those women ever pressed charges against Mr. Phillip Spector.

[ByGollyGee]

-Dr Lois Pena performed the autopsy on Lana Jean Clarkson

-Dr. Michael Baden attended the autopsy of Lana Jean Clarkson

-The cause of death was a .38 caliber pistol shot that transected Lana Clarkson's spine at the C1 vertebra

-The manner of death was ruled a homicide by Dr. Lois Pena

ByGollyGee

[tartangirl]

-Harvey Phillip Spector drank heavily on the night of Feb. 02, 2003.

-Harvey Phillip Spector had two daquiris with Romy Schneider.

-Harvey Phillip Spector had two Navy Grogs at Trader Vic's.

-Navy Grog ~ 3/4 ounce fresh lime juice, 1/2 ounce grapefruit juice, 3/4 ounce allspice syrup, and 2 ounces each dark Jamaican rum (NAVY
RUM) and Demerara rum.

-Harvey Phillip Spector ordered champagne at The House of Blues
and 151 Rum.

-Harvey Phillip Spector becomes violent after drinking alcohol.



~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her~

[ByGollyGee]

-Lana Jean Clarkson was sitting upright in a chair when the fatal bullet was fired.

-Blood spatter (>2.1mm) can only go in a straight line and down by gravity and air resistance, it cannot make a turn in mid-air.

-It is impossible for blood spatter from the fatal gun shot to hit the top portion of Lana Jean Clarkson's (from the waist up) slip dress from an interoral gunshot wound.

[Jayne]

IIRC, Diane Ogden testified in PS1, that Phil Spector directed her upstairs to the bedroom at gunpoint and that that although she wanted to (or would have?) "made love to him", but Why would he do it like that?

and IIRC, that she slept there while PS had the gun pointing toward her, face or head?

[kennedy06]

PS1

Lana did not recognize him as a celebrity or a man when he tried to enter.

Sophia H. and another employee quickly informed LC of his wealth and importance in the music world.

Euphrathes L. instructed LC to treat Spector "golden."

S.H. asked he be seated in her section.

Kathy S., the woman he took along to the HOB, was sent home by PS because she refused to order an alcoholic beverage.

PS left a $450 tip which was to be shared with security, herself and LC.

He first asked S. H. to go home with him, she declined.

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http://www.courttv.com/trials/spector/051507_ctv.html

JMO

[kennedy06]

PS1

PS appeared to be under the influence when he placed his drink order at the HOB. He ordered Bacardi rum 151 "up".

The waitress S. H. said he was a little slurrish and loud when she took his order.


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http://www.courttv.com/trials/spector/051507_ctv.html

[GPSpector]

-It is impossible for blood spatter from the fatal gun shot to hit the top portion of Lana Jean Clarkson's (from the waist up) slip dress from an interoral gunshot wound.

- Possible only with the help of deflection.

[GPSpector]

- My father wears a weave, not a wig.

- The fact is, I do not know why Rachelle does not know this.

[Jayne]

Spitz (IIRC the correct witness) compared shooting calves point blank (or nearly?) in the head..to the way Lana was shot.

Same witness spoke about rabbit hearts, removed, keep beating....and I do believe he mentioned chickens running about after their heads chopped off (though I may be incorrect on the last one..sorry).

[Jayne]

- My father wears a weave, not a wig.

- The fact is, I do not know why Rachelle does not know this.


Rachelle knows it or she doesn't. I think she's probably "lying"..and why should she care? Why would she "turn him in" if she's his wife? And if she were a REAL wife/partner..why would she say anything than "IT's NOBODYS BUSINESS" (what I do..wasn't that Billy Holiday??? OT..)

Wig..Weave..Caps..False Teeth. COME ON..who the Heck Cares..UNLESS someone outright lies and says "it's real" (DUH..False Teeth and WIGS are REAL..they must have a LAWYER on board advising them?)

Frankly..I don't care...I have (and had) elderly parents..I've had my own "medical and tragic" issues.

And if anyone said to me is that HAIR your own? I'd certainly say YES. It's none of their danged business..whether it is false, weaved or a wig.

I DON'T care what PS wears on his head or anywhere else..I ONLY CARE about what was IN HIS HEAD in February 2003..when Lana Clarkson ended up dead. Purple Hair..No Hair...don't care. And, I'd NEVER DISPARAGE him for his choice of hair. (although it was a bit humorours about his choice of clothing hair etc. in PS1.)

[kennedy06]

PS1

As they sped towards the mansion after leaving the HOB they watched the 1950 film Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye in the back of PS sedan.

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http://www.courttv.com/trials/spector/060507_ctv.html


A few short clips of the movie appear in this link, one without sound, one with sound.

http://www.noiroftheweek.com/2008/07/kiss-tomorrow-goodbye-1950.html


This movie was originally banned in Ohio because of the violent nature of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss_Tomorrow_Goodbye

JMO Although insignificant, it is still a fact in this trial.

[Spectorfan8]

It stinks that we cannot see this trial live, like the first trial.

At least we tried our best to get a live feed.

[Spectorfan8]

Mr. Spector's driver, AD, called 911 from outside the house.

[tartangirl]

- Harvey Phillip Spector told Adriano de Souza I think I killed somebody

- Harvey Phillip Spector had a gun in his hand with blood showing.

- There were 13 telephones in the faux castle.

- No 911 calls were made from the faux castle.



~as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[ByGollyGee]

-From the top of my 4' high work bench, I placed a 1/8 teaspoon of ketsup (Heinz) within one inch of the edge, hit puddle with 16oz. framing hammer at full speed, furtherest drop landed on floor 4' 3" away from the work bench edge (horizontal measurement).

-The Colt Cobra that fired the fatal shot to Lana Jean Clarkson had a single action trigger pull of 11 pounds.

-The Colt Cobra that fired the fatal shot to Lana Jean Clarkson had a cocked trigger pull of 3 pounds.

-A .38 special bullet is really .358 inches in diameter.

ByGollyGee

[Jayne]

Where can we post comments to these? 3 pound pull even at the "second pull" is a lot for someone with arthritis, let alone injured wrists..holding the gun BACKWARDS..

where do we post these? Or are we to suspect the JURY gets this? (HAHA..I know the jury isn't reading this...it was just for argument's sake)

(after all..you did the ketchup thing..Golly Gee and Bud and his wife...in his backyard "demo" from PS1..doing all those self tried "demonstrations" (not to mention my own..which I never mentioned, btw..but for a few..but not scientific enough to claim them on the threads).


back to the "not"..Not Guilty Thread..no...I'll start another...MUCH LIKE "Letterman's Top Ten"..TOP TEN REASONS why Lana didn't kill herself" to post how I am quite sure Lana MIGHT NOT have killed herself.

May take some time..so don't go looking just yet..gotta think this out..

[ByGollyGee]

Let me preface this thread by saying that what I write in this entry is NOT my opinion but is a view from 3,000 miles away. I did watch a swimming pool in Palm Springs dump about a third of its water on the ground during an earthquake which convinced me that California is not a habitable place, at least for me.

I am not a fan of Phil Spector, nor did I enjoy the music he produced. I might also state that I never saw “Barbarian Queen” or any of Lana Clarkson’s movies. I am writing this for the several sincere “Not Guilty” and fence sitters and not for the poison writers.

I will not attempt to defend these items but I do, out of fairness to the defense, want to acknowledge that every defendant has a right to a fair trial. The items are not listed in any order of importance.

1. Phil Spector is highly intelligent.
2. There were never any charges filed by the PBA witnesses.
3. People are trying to make money off this sad situation.
4. His defense and selection of lawyers, with the exception of Shapiro, has been poor.
5. His ability to control his actions that morning was impaired by alcohol.
6. Lana Clarkson had expressed depressive thoughts.
7. Lana Clarkson had been taught which end of a gun is the working end.
8. Lana Clarkson had a Blood Alcohol Content of .12.
9. Phil Spector has pled “not guilty” and is presumed innocent
10. Phil Spector had no motive to commit murder.

ByGollyGee

[Jayne]

Bravo! GollyGee...very excellent post - :)

Indeed acknowledged by NG, G and NS (not sure's)...

[spydernweb2006]

There is forensic evidence to show that Lana and the gun were wiped and an attempted clean up of the crime scene was done PRIOR to the police arriving....

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

[sunstar]

Spector had forty minutes alone in the house before law enforcement was able to take him into custody.

LE had to use Taser on PS to surrender.

[ByGollyGee]

Fortunately for Phil, one Taser prong did not attach to him so it did not shock him. Fortunately for LE, a dandalion seed came by and fell on him knocking him to the ground!

ByGollyGee

LE had to use Taser on PS to surrender.

[Sedonia Sunset]

Fortunately for Phil, one Taser prong did not attach to him so it did not shock him. Fortunately for LE, a dandalion seed came by and fell on him knocking him to the ground!

ByGollyGee

Phil later claimed that the police had tasered him with 100,000 volts of electricity :lol:

[palomine]

Let me preface this thread by saying that what I write in this entry is NOT my opinion but is a view from 3,000 miles away. I did watch a swimming pool in Palm Springs dump about a third of its water on the ground during an earthquake which convinced me that California is not a habitable place, at least for me.

I am not a fan of Phil Spector, nor did I enjoy the music he produced. I might also state that I never saw “Barbarian Queen” or any of Lana Clarkson’s movies. I am writing this for the several sincere “Not Guilty” and fence sitters and not for the poison writers.

I will not attempt to defend these items but I do, out of fairness to the defense, want to acknowledge that every defendant has a right to a fair trial. The items are not listed in any order of importance.

1. Phil Spector is highly intelligent.
2. There were never any charges filed by the PBA witnesses.
3. People are trying to make money off this sad situation.
4. His defense and selection of lawyers, with the exception of Shapiro, has been poor.
5. His ability to control his actions that morning was impaired by alcohol.
6. Lana Clarkson had expressed depressive thoughts.
7. Lana Clarkson had been taught which end of a gun is the working end.
8. Lana Clarkson had a Blood Alcohol Content of .12.
9. Phil Spector has pled “not guilty” and is presumed innocent
10. Phil Spector had no motive to commit murder.

ByGollyGee

!.(Golly Gee dosen't enjoy music produced by Phil Spector)Wow, you don't like the Beatles(The Long and Winding Road) (as a group) or individually (John (War is Over) and George (My Sweet Lord), the Ronettes (Baby I Love You, Be My Baby), The Cystals (He Hit Me), the Supremes, the Stones, the Righteous Brothers(You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'), The Drifters, etc Now that's just wrong

Phil Spector can't be that intelligent if after he killed Lana, he actually said "I think I killed someone"

The PBA witnesses were his friends, friends react differently when threatened by someone they care about

Phil Spector is also making money from this sad situation, so why shouldn't others

He picked his Lawyers, Maybe he put the names in a hat and pulled them out randomly but he still hired them ( I believe that goes back to his intelligence)

Nobody forced alcohol onto Phil Spector but he did try to force it on others!

Everyone gets depressed, fortunately most depressed people are not invited back to Phil Spector's castle

Yes. Lana Clarkson knew which end of the gun worked, but she was not heavily armed like Phil who had an arsenal of weapons

Lana's blood alcohol was high, we weren't there we don't know how that alcohol got into her system

Well I will give you the fact that he pled not guilty, I don't presume him to be innocent ( he can't be the incident happened in his castle)

No motive, come on he was a freak and a total stranger diss him what else was he going to do, kill himself? that would have been too easy

[sunstar]

Phil later claimed that the police had tasered him with 100,000 volts of electricity :lol:

He exaggerates a little. :D MOO

[Jayne]

And, he has a "potty" mouth.

[spydernweb2006]

Here are a couple more facts:

Lana's wrist, both of them had been broken badly in the year prior and she had just recovered enough to work. Her wrists were likely weaker then most people's due to non use by casting and lack of use.

Lana had a bruise in the far back side of her tounge that was NOT from the gun being fired. It appeared to be a pre death injury and due to the location could NOT have been caused by her biting her tounge. A forgien object had to cause the brusing.

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[SeaMaiden]

"10. Phil Spector had no motive to commit murder."

PS had no motive to abuse his children, his ex-wife Ronnie Spector, & lots of other women, but he did so anyways.

He's a truly sick & violent man with a substance abuse problem. NO ONE knows his motives, not even PS himself.

IMO

[ByGollyGee]

Be careful about your assumptions. E911 calls are handled totally different than normal calls and routed differently. From the moment you finish pressing the last 1 in the number there are computer records generated by the ALI lookup before the call is sent to an emergency dispatch center.

ByGollyGee

SO? He may have attempted to. You do not know for certain that he did not try.:beer:

[GPSpector]

What a shame it got spoiled. Fact: some posters just do not deal in facts.

Seems some also do not want a fair trial, they just want their views of Justice served regardless of the facts.:(

[GPSpector]

"10. Phil Spector had no motive to commit murder."

PS had no motive to abuse his children, his ex-wife Ronnie Spector, & lots of other women, but he did so anyways.

He's a truly sick & violent man with a substance abuse problem. NO ONE knows his motives, not even PS himself.

IMO

As true as your statement may be, it should have been posted in the other thread. This thread is limited to reasons why people believe my father did not pull the trigger.

[roytoy]

doesn't mean he did try, either. pure speculation. moo.

[kennedy06]

I'll give a little room for shock, but if he was capable of griping a door handle, so why not a phone receiver? If he could manipulate his hands to remove a jacket then why not be able to manipulate them to push 3 button? In this age can you still dial 0 or tap your receiver buttons several times to get an operator? Just saying if the excuse was used maybe he had forgotten about the 3 numbers, he could still have attempted and used the previous methods of calling for help he may have known. JMO

[roytoy]

Exactly:beer:

correct. there is not one shred of factual evidence that says that PS tried to use one of the dozen phones counted at his home/crime scene.

[kennedy06]

The only thing you know for certain is that he did not call 911. You do not know if he attempted to call. You do not know if he spent 40 minutes alone. No one had a stop watch. You do not know if any scene was staged. Nope.:cool:

If he wasn't alone then who was he with, AD was calling for help? JMO

[roytoy]

somewhere close to 30 minutes ALONE in a home with a woman shot and bleeding and he never called 911.

[roytoy]

when faced with facts, some cannot use logic and so they resort to insinuations and non fact based speculation about the victim. moo.

[roytoy]

:punch:A corpse. The victim of a suicide.

did ps have some sort of special training to triage victims and decided that since she was dead, he might as well do a few chores rather than call 911? that is a long 30+ minutes.

if he was not responsible, wouldn't it have been prudent to immediately call for medical assistance?

[roytoy]

You may want to check with other posters. Some say 40 minutes. Sounds like more speculation IMO. BTW we know he did not call 911, that has been stated many times. What you do not know is if he ATTEMPTED to call.:cool:

and neither do you.


what we do know, is that he did not call. that is not speculation.

30 minutes, 40 minutes, appalling lack of humanity. even 5 minutes would have been too long. moo.

[GPSpector]

FACTs:

- Lana died after the gun was fired.

- The gun was dropped under Lana's foot from the wrong side.

- The gun had been wiped clean before the gun was placed in her hand.

- There was a blood transfer spot on her palm that matched a spot on the gun handle which means that the gun was placed in her hand after it was fired.

- Lana's face was wiped off.

- There are no facts that Lana was planning on staying the night yet her face was wiped after the shot and her false eyelashes were found in the bathroom.

- None of the 14 phones that night had been touched (no attempt made to use them).

- 911 is an easy number to remember (it was designed to be).

I listed no speculation or guesses, these are all facts that came out during the last trial.

There is a better thread to post speculations and guess although "baiting" is not appreciated there either.

[GPSpector]

We seemed to have wandered off topic so, just a friendly reminder to those that may have forgotten, the heading of this thread is:

"Just the Facts Mam’, just the Facts"

This is not a Discussion thread or an Opinion thread. thank you and I look forward to reading more facts :read:♪♪

[Spectorfan8]

Dorothy Melvin's telling of her story is different from the story that the police are telling.

[Jayne]

I believe the weave is somewhat relevant in this respect.... Lana initially thought PS was a woman... I do not know what outlandish hairstyle he was sporting that night... his Don King look, his Dorothy Hamill bob, etc. Other than that, it really does not matter.

Dolly Parton even says yes when asked 'is that your hair?'... then she says either she has a room full of it, that she paid for it or it is great because she can leave her hair with the stylist when she takes a shower/bath. :cool:

OT-sorry..but a short reply. Love Dolly..she's definitely Real...(well, you know what I mean!)

;)

[Spectorfan8]

http://us.mc574.mail.yahoo.com/mc/showMessage?fid=Trash&sort=date&order=down&startMid=0&.rand=741440323&da=0&midIndex=8&mid=1_12239_ADdkxEIAADU0SRpRXA3J8VMnzLg&prevMid=1_14070_AEFkxEIAAHdTSRr%2BaQkYs3rfVVs&nextMid=1_11669_AEJkxEIAAOjVSRozRgLOu0yq0yU


I should have added this to my post. Sorry.

[GPSpector]

http://us.mc574.mail.yahoo.com/mc/showMessage?fid=Trash&sort=date&order=down&startMid=0&.rand=741440323&da=0&midIndex=8&mid=1_12239_ADdkxEIAADU0SRpRXA3J8VMnzLg&prevMid=1_14070_AEFkxEIAAHdTSRr%2BaQkYs3rfVVs&nextMid=1_11669_AEJkxEIAAOjVSRozRgLOu0yq0yU


I should have added this to my post. Sorry.

That link routes to a Yahoo page and if you're not a member, you will not be able to read. :(

[Spectorfan8]

That link routes to a Yahoo page and if you're not a member, you will not be able to read. :(


Sorry about that, let me fix it .hammer

[Spectorfan8]

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/police%20officer%20contradicts%20spectors%20ex%20i n%20court%20testimony_1086364

I am so embarrassed, sorry about the link mix up.hammer

Hopefully, this will work.

[GPSpector]

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/police%20officer%20contradicts%20spectors%20ex%20i n%20court%20testimony_1086364

I am so embarrassed, sorry about the link mix up.hammer

Hopefully, this will work.

Thank you :beer:

[Spectorfan8]

Thank you :beer:

You know me, I try.LOL
Thanks for being understanding.......that is also a fact.:beer:

[GPSpector]

So, exactly, who's story changed from last year?

Hers seems the same. I was not aware that the Police Officer ever stated last year, that he approached my father to determine if he was or was not drunk.

[GPSpector]

The Fact is simple. In this trial the officer disagreed with the witness. Its the fact.
Now we need to run over to the the thread and discuss this

Sorry, you are correct. I was hoping to get more facts.

[roytoy]

Can you predict with absolute certainty how you would react in every circumstance presented to you? IMO that would be remarkable if you can.:beer:

not a valid argument. we are talking about ps, not me or what i would do.

he did not call 911. that's a fact. you are speculating.

[Jayne]

I honestly don't remember, but was it brought up in evidence at PS1 that the phone records of the Castle were searched and there was no 911 call made? I do believe it may be so, but what witness would have put that into evidence? Or "judicial notice" of a Southern Bell CA (or whatever company) telephone bill? I know AJ made reference to all the telephones in the house..but there had to be a witness to testify to that, or the judicial notice. Otherwise, it must have been that he alluded to it in OS or CS, which isn't "evidence" or a "court fact". And, I can't imagine why they wouldn't have gotten it into evidence one way or another around the evidentiary rules. OH..wasn't there a witness..the 911 operator? Or was it just a "tape played" which I do recall..where she couldn't get the Spector name right..it was almost ludicrously ridiculous how many times she kept questioning Adriano who spoke decently clear English and she couldn't "get it"!

Not being argumentative, but I get the point..if it isn't a proven fact in court - even though it may indeed be a fact (and I do believe it is, otherwise the defense would have presented it in evidence, I would think, that at least one call was made from inside the Castle that eve/morn to 911).

[SeaMaiden]

As true as your statement may be, it should have been posted in the other thread. This thread is limited to reasons why people believe my father did not pull the trigger.

Where *exactly* does it say that one is forbidden to respond to the original post by Golly Gee?
And when *exactly* were you personally voted hall monitor?
Last time I checked, we were free to question, discuss, debate, & comment all we wanted, as long as we followed the rules.

Can't stand the heat? Then get out of the kitchen...

IMO

[GPSpector]

Where *exactly* does it say that one is forbidden to respond to the original post by Golly Gee?
And when *exactly* were you personally voted hall monitor?
Last time I checked, we were free to question, discuss, debate, & comment all we wanted, as long as we followed the rules.

Can't stand the heat? Then get out of the kitchen...

IMO

Read the heading. It's a clue as to the topic of this thread then look at the other threads.

You will notice when you read the title of this thread very carefully that it says "Ten reasons why Phil Spector did not murder Lana Clarkson".

Besides, I seemed to have missed your similar comments to the baiters that post here when they try to get poster back on track to avoid answering questions.

You will notice that there are threads limited to FACTS, Reason for and Reasons against that are limited in context and threads that are for open discussion on the trial and all of the other threads.

I've made the slip up too, it happens and life goes on.

[ByGollyGee]

Again, I do not present myself as an “expert” in the operations of the Alhambra, California public telephone system. I have installed a full telephone switch for a college with students living on campus and was required to install E911 service on the switch by state law for student safety.

- Telephone switch computers must have battery back up and redundant processors to ensure correct operation. Alarms will sound in the 24 hour manned switching center.

- When the computer recognizes the last digit in 911, it looks in a data base within the computer for the location of that specific number (ALI) and logs the action with a date time stamp.

- Then the computer selects a special dedicated line (CAMA) to send the call to the nearest Emergency Operations Center. This line also has a second dedicated line (CAMA) to a different Emergency Operations Center for backup purposes. The computer inserts the address and location in front of the signal so that the Emergency Operations Center operator will have all the details when talking to the caller. These CAMA lines have nothing to do with the trunks used by regular phone calls. The call is logged by the Emergency Operations Center computer.

- The Emergency Operations Center then routes the call to the proper responder for action. The call is then logged by the responder’s computer.

- This sequence of operations in mandated by both Federal and State regulations and is tested twice a year for correct operations and speed of response.

- No call was ever made nor was an attempt to dial 911 call from 1700 Grandview, Alhambra, CA on the morning of February 3rd, 2003.

- Alhambra, CA telephone switch is the Central Office known as “ALHBCA01” and is run by Bell South

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E911

ByGollyGee

[roytoy]

Are you :shrug: It is a ?, not an arguement. I only asked it because you seem so certain in knowing how others would react or should react in certain situations. So it is a valid ? IMO.:cool:

nope, not speculating, he did not call 911. that is a fact.

you keep creating a circular argument but the bottom line is that you are not talking fact, you are just guessing and insinuating.

fact: phil spector did not call 911 after lana clarkson was shot.

[roytoy]

i can't say for sure how i would react if i saw what i believed happened when lana put the gun her in mouth. PTS is a good guess. JMO

this is a fact thread about ps. what you would do is irrelevant to the thread topic.

[GPSpector]

Fact:

- My father would never admit guilt to murder, to an accident or to anything that would make him look bad.

Proof:

That's why the trial has lasted this long. If he said it was an accident, the trial would have been over in 2003 and he'd be a free man now.

[hiitsme]

Maybe the reason he didn't admit to "murder" or to an "accident, is because he didn't shoot Lana. She shot herself.
mho

Maybe, but any innocent rational human being who witnessed such a horrible event, would have immediatley called 911 and or screamed for help in an effort to save this person. No, this weasel, walked out with the gun in hand and said, I think I killed somebody, and your conclusion is that she shot herself?

[GPSpector]

Maybe, but any innocent rational human being who witnessed such a horrible event, would have immediatley called 911 and or screamed for help in an effort to save this person. No, this weasel, walked out with the gun in hand and said, I think I killed somebody, and your conclusion is that she shot herself?

And to top it off, the poster produces NO FACTS to back it up.

The fact is, there are no facts as to who pulled the trigger but the facts do lean in a direction not favoring my father.

It's still a fact that my father would never admit to anything that would make him look bad. He won't even admit he wears weaves or that Rochelle does his hair like she admited. That says a lot about ego.

[kellabeck]

Let me preface this thread by saying that what I write in this entry is NOT my opinion but is a view from 3,000 miles away. I did watch a swimming pool in Palm Springs dump about a third of its water on the ground during an earthquake which convinced me that California is not a habitable place, at least for me.

I am not a fan of Phil Spector, nor did I enjoy the music he produced. I might also state that I never saw “Barbarian Queen” or any of Lana Clarkson’s movies. I am writing this for the several sincere “Not Guilty” and fence sitters and not for the poison writers.

I will not attempt to defend these items but I do, out of fairness to the defense, want to acknowledge that every defendant has a right to a fair trial. The items are not listed in any order of importance.

1. Phil Spector is highly intelligent.
2. There were never any charges filed by the PBA witnesses.
3. People are trying to make money off this sad situation.
4. His defense and selection of lawyers, with the exception of Shapiro, has been poor.
5. His ability to control his actions that morning was impaired by alcohol.
6. Lana Clarkson had expressed depressive thoughts.
7. Lana Clarkson had been taught which end of a gun is the working end.
8. Lana Clarkson had a Blood Alcohol Content of .12.
9. Phil Spector has pled “not guilty” and is presumed innocent
10. Phil Spector had no motive to commit murder.

ByGollyGee

1. Brilliant people have committed murder and been convicted. See Leopold and Loeb.

2. Doesn't mean those events didn't happen.

3. So what?

4. You have bad lawyering and that makes you innocent...? LOL!!

5. Impairment is no defense.

6. So what?

7. A marksman can be murdered. So again-- your point: so what?

8. A drunk person can be murdered.

9. Any defendant on trial has pleaded not guilty. Orenthal Simpson pleaded not guilty. Charles Manson pleaded not guilty.

10. Phil Spector DID have a motive and we know if from his history of drunken rages which would be triggered when an attractive woman in his presence sought to leave. And we know that Lana was leaving by her body's location in the chair in the foyer near the door and her purse on her shoulder.


Sorry, but this list is a pile of piffle. Nice typing though.

[ByGollyGee]

I now find myself in a position of not being able trust any thing you post. You have eyes but cannot see and your personal opinions have clouded your judgment. I posted "Just the E911 Facts Mam'" as post #82. It is an original, just created by myself post. None of the facts contained in that post were ever in the first trail, NONE. I researched the details, copied applicable links, for several users who wanted information regarding E911 operations. This gives lie to YOUR statement, "What is being posted under the thread " Just the Facts Mam’, just the Facts." is nothing more than revisiting info from the 1st trial. Now that's a FACT."

ByGollyGee

IMO,This whole thread is irrelevant to the current trial. Unless you are in the courtroom taking cpoious notes on the present trial the so called facts are 3rd hand and heresay. IMO it is even more ridiculous to attempt to post anything conerning the defense, since the defense has not presented their case. What is being posted under the thread " Just the Facts Mam’, just the Facts." is nothing more than revisiting info from the 1st trial. Now that's a FACT.:cool:

[hiitsme]

Its kind of the opposite of the "wall of sound", isn't it? Just a weak and plaintive note: still searching, searching for a fact?

Rommie Davis is finished on the stand.

Stephanie Jennings is up next. She is a photographer who testified last time.
Hi Snow
Was Stephanie the one who had had facial surgery prior to her testimony last year? I thought both of these women were credible with no "baggage" so to speak.

[GPSpector]

Its kind of the opposite of the "wall of sound", isn't it? Just a weak and plaintive note: still searching, searching for a fact?

Rommie Davis is finished on the stand.

Stephanie Jennings is up next. She is a photographer who testified last time.

I guess it's good to know the case is still moving on.

[GPSpector]

Just so bored and tryng to find someone to attack? SO take a post from last week and make a very belated grand entrance to the conversation. Pretty weak effort.

That and those retorts would have done better on the other thread. If ByGollyGee feels those are valid reasons, then BGG is sticking to the thread topic. Debating them is not.

I had hoped with the 2 threads, a better picture could be created as to what really happened and maybe some "G", "NG" and "Fence Sitters" might learn something new.

[kipswife]

The scientific evidence is the jacket. The jacket forensics suggest he did not fire the gun.

Phil Spector will never get convicted, IMO. The jacket will be a major problem for the prosecution. I cannot see all 12 jurors voting for guilt. The jacket will stand in the way of conviction.

mho

i am sure someone will correct me if i am wrong but what if the DA decides to not bring in the jacket this trial? can the defense bring it in? i dont think but that would change things if you believe the jacket is the best evidence

[kennedy06]

I just read through the potential witness list, where did you come up with a witness Rosemary something (first or last name) to testify? I didn't read that name on there.JMO

[Spectorfan8]

:lol:So clever. It is a real side splitter alright. BTW what happened to my ? about Nicole testifying. As I recall she did testify last time. And what is this about somebody called Rosemary's (something or other) testifying? Who is that? Are they a friend of yours or the family and will they be testifying in support of PS? Have you or Louis been called to testify to give some insight on your personal experiences with PS. I would think the prosecution would be interested given some of the things you have posted. After all they are pursuing very remote testimony about other alledged PBA'S.:cool:

I wonder also, who is this "Rosemary"?

[kennedy06]

I'm not as interested in who Rosemary is or what they are going to testify about, since they haven't been on the stand yet, but HOW searching came up with the name, is it an article? I have read so much about this case and have never heard of anyone with that name associated with it. :shrug:

JMO

[GPSpector]

For those interested in last years trial links by McAnnie1965, I copied them ALL, dated them, tested them, sorted them and posted them in order on the Link thread for everyone's convenience.

[GPSpector]

I wonder also, who is this "Rosemary"?

I too would like to know where that poster ever got the idea that a "Rosemary" was going to be testifying and why the link to me? All I noticed was when I did a Search, that a new member by the name "RosemarysBB" is listed.

Sounds like more bait to me since I not once ever mentioned that name on this thread or on this Message Board.

I have not been contacted by anyone yet. Seems like just another attempt to get some off topic discussion going.

[kennedy06]

People that are actually going to be testifying are on topic. Since you are the first to mention it anywhere I have read about the PS trial, where did you come up with the name Rosemary in regards to them or a suggestion of them testifying? JMO

[Spectorfan8]

No Rosemary involved with the Spector trial.

Notice that Searching is the poster who brought the name up.

Notice that Searching has yet to explain where she heard about Rosemary.

On another note... when the Rosemarys BB nic was first registered... the nic was actually RosemarysBaB. Soon after... the nic changed to Rosemarys BB.

Odd, that.

I noticed the name change also. I saw it as Rosemarys Baby, now it's like you stated. Odd, and sorry I am off topic.
SF8

[hiitsme]

I noticed the name change also. I saw it as Rosemarys Baby, now it's like you stated. Odd, and sorry I am off topic.
SF8

SF8, I don't think you need to apologize because I feel this is not OT. Most posters are genuinely interested in PS2 which obviously includes all potential witnesses. Baby's new nic is appropriate, but not here.

[Spectorfan8]

SF8, I don't think you need to apologize because I feel this is not OT. Most posters are genuinely interested in PS2 which obviously includes all potential witnesses. Baby's new nic is appropriate, but not here.

Thank you!:seeya:

[DeeN]

Looking at the pics of him, he looks very out of it.

Does anyone know?

TIA
Sincerely,
Dee N

[Spectorfan8]

Yes, I believe he is. His eyes are void of any emotion. Wonder what they have him on?

If I remember correctly, some of the meds. are Trazadone, Abilify, Oh shoot, I can't remember the others. I do know that Tazadone makes you loopy, and you are out of it for sure. I'll try to find the other meds., I posted them last trial. Now, I can't remember the others.hammer

SF8

[Spectorfan8]

Thanks for the info Spectorfan. I get the picture.

What is the purpose to keep him drugged up? He should face the music (pun intended) drug free like most defendents. So basically he's not really paying attention to what is going on during the trial. That will keep him off the stand as well. What a coward.

No drugs, rugs and whatever else he's used to in jail.

If he is on Trazadone, he can't pay attention. he has to fight to stay awake.

[Spectorfan8]

I am ready for some news of the trial. Sorry, I just had to let it out! LOL

SF8

[Spectorfan8]

Weird the media could care less about Phil. He's not a blip on their rador.
I know, I'll check out some places later on in the day. It's slow coming since they are 3 hours behind us.(me)

[kennedy06]

Yes the name is important. If this is just a Rosemary or Rosemary's something or other.... that is being mentioned in the original post that could testify well, we all know who Rosemary's something or other was and well..... I hope there is a reporter there that day is all I have to say. JMO

[Spectorfan8]

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2008/11/phil-spector-retrial-day-seven-of.html

I have put this on the links only thread. Just some update.

SF8

Sorry that I posted this link. I wasn't aware that I shouldn't post this particular link. Honest mistake, again I am sorry. hammer

[kennedy06]

You ment well, besides now I know what channel to watch today IS. JMO

x2
:confused:

:(

[spydernweb2006]

FACT:

ADS testified and is backed up on the 911 tapes and call to Michelle Blaine that Phil was holding a gun and said," I think I killed someone"

It is NOT fact that Lana ever held the gun or that Phil said anything to ADS about some lady shooting herself. ADS NEVER EVER said nor inferred that Lana either held the gun or harmed herself in anyway.

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[palomine]

And to top it off, the poster produces NO FACTS to back it up.

The fact is, there are no facts as to who pulled the trigger but the facts do lean in a direction not favoring my father.

It's still a fact that my father would never admit to anything that would make him look bad. He won't even admit he wears weaves or that Rochelle does his hair like she admited. That says a lot about ego.

I think the fact your Father said " I think I killed someone", admits that he did in fact shoot someone, hopefully the jury will get it right this time, with a guilty verdict...then bring on the civil trial which I am most interested in!!

[Curlyjo]

I think the fact your Father said " I think I killed someone", admits that he did in fact shoot someone, hopefully the jury will get it right this time, with a guilty verdict...then bring on the civil trial which I am most interested in!!

Amen!!!!!!!

[SheStone]

i am sure someone will correct me if i am wrong but what if the DA decides to not bring in the jacket this trial? can the defense bring it in? i dont think but that would change things if you believe the jacket is the best evidence

The jacket will be brought into evidence by the prosecution, because the high velocity blood spatter proves Spector was close enough to have shot her in the mouth. The defense tried to say there was no GSR on the jacket but if I recall correctly it wasn't test for GSR because it was found on the floor of the upstairs room which had GSR everywhere so testing it would have been pointless. Also a lack of GSR does not prove that the individual did not shoot the gun, look at Pena's testimony when asked by Plourd about it.

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,276394,00.html

Plourd pressed on.
"In virtually every self-inflicted wound, is it correct that GSR tests are done?" he asked.

"Oh, yes," said Pena.

"And people who pull the trigger come up positive for GSR?" he asked.

"Not always," said Pena, but he did not explain.

The jacket will come in because the forensic evidence from it helps the prosecution more than questions about it hurt them.IMO

[SheStone]

That link is from 2007. How do you know the jacket will be brought into evidence in this current trial? Do you have something current that states it will be?

It is a critical piece of evidence, why wouldn't it be brought into evidence? That would be illogical.IMO

[GPSpector]

Sorry, I lost the link :shrug: but I was able to verify that the only E-Mail from Lana that dicusses depression was dated 10-25-02.

I thought is was early December but I was wrong and just wanted to post what I found. I just lost the link hammer

[spydernweb2006]

To lighten up the board a little here is a fun fact:

One of the 911 Operators thought Phil Spector's name was :

SEAL INSPECTOR

ADS had np understand the 911 operator but the 911 operator had a lil problem understanding him...


JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

[My 2 Cents]

To lighten up the board a little here is a fun fact:

One of the 911 Operators thought Phil Spector's name was :

SEAL INSPECTOR

ADS had np understand the 911 operator but the 911 operator had a lil problem understanding him...


JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

Along the same lines . . . another funny reminder from PS1 (timely, since ADS is on the stand currently in PS2):

Newspaper quote from 1st PS Trial. . . .
On Wednesday, the court reporter never stopped DeSouza to ask him to repeat himself, as she did numerous times the same day with noted forensics scientist Henry Lee, a star witness for the defense who is from Taiwan.