Nov 7th thru 10th

[alter ego]

Please see CW's sticky.


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Card....

do you know who was named Michelle's personal rep in her will?

[Cardinal]

Please see CW's sticky.


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Card....

do you know who was named Michelle's personal rep in her will?

Thanks for the new thread AE. And please, everyone, for the sake of Michelle's board, heed CW's warning.

According a post on the other thread, Jason was named the PR.

[alter ego]

do you know who was named Here's the exact wording from the SW:


A call from Linda Fisher would be unusual according to the phone records; Jason Young has a pregnant wife at home and he has called her twice without reaching her (According to records, Jason Young called Michelle Young’s work number at 12:02 pm and he called her cell phone number at 12:17 pm).

I don't find that suspicious - Michelle's mother lived in NYC.

Jason's attempts to contact Michelle were during a typical lunch hour.

Why would Jason think a call from his MIL had anything at all to do with his wife?

[alter ego]

Linda cannot be appointed executor unless the court got a renunciation from him :shrug:

[jerzeegirl]

I don't find that suspicious - Michelle's mother lived in NYC.

Jason's attempts to contact Michelle were during a typical lunch hour.

Why would Jason think a call from his MIL had anything at all to do with his wife?


i find it very suspicious, she called him 4 times, she left at least one voice mail, maybe two according to the length of the two calls, 4 times in a matter of short time. He frequently checked his voice mail that day. Very suspicious.

[Cardinal]

I don't find that suspicious - Michelle's mother lived in NYC.

Jason's attempts to contact Michelle were during a typical lunch hour.

Why would Jason think a call from his MIL had anything at all to do with his wife?

From what has been posted, Jason and LF weren't exactly best friends. Why would Jason think LF called him 4 times about anything other than Michelle? Michelle would have had her cell even during her lunch hour. Someone early on posted that MIchelle had a doctor's appointment that day. Wouldn't you think that, with a pregnant wife who had not long ago had a miscarriage, 4 calls in an hour from your MIL would concern you?

[Breakingnews]

I don't find that suspicious - Michelle's mother lived in NYC.

Jason's attempts to contact Michelle were during a typical lunch hour.

Why would Jason think a call from his MIL had anything at all to do with his wife?

It was out of the ordinary for her to be calling him and that Michelle had already had a before miscarriage? More of the SW about that:

Despite the fact that a call from Mrs. Fisher would be an unusual occurrence, (When looking at Jason Young’s cell phone records for the thirty days prior to the murder, there are only two calls between him and his mother-in-law, Linda Fisher. These calls are from Mr. Young to Mrs. Fisher and they occurred on October l2 2006 at 1001 hours (10:01 am) for 0 seconds (possibly a text message due to the duration of the call), and on October 2006 at 1641 hours (4:41 pm) for 37 seconds.)

[jerry50]

Linda cannot be appointed executor unless the court got a renunciation from him :shrug:

I think that it was posted that Linda was named as the executor last week before the wrongful death suit. Apparently when someone wants to remove a person as executor the original executor has to respond to the court papers that were filed by the wanna be executor. Failure to respond by the executor by the date listed results in the new executor being named.

[Cardinal]

Linda cannot be appointed executor unless the court got a renunciation from him :shrug:

Not true, AE. The Clerk has the power to remove the Executor and appoint a new one, if the Clerk finds the PR "unsuitable".

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/ByArticle/Chapter_28A/Article_4.pdf

Besides, it has been posted that Jason never probated Michelle's Will. If that's true, he was never appointed PR, and didn't need to be removed.


ETA: In fact, it could be argued that Jason's failure to probate the Will made him disqualified to serve.

JMO

[Barbara2]

From what has been posted, Jason and LF weren't exactly best friends. Why would Jason think LF called him 4 times about anything other than Michelle? Michelle would have had her cell even during her lunch hour. Someone early on posted that MIchelle had a doctor's appointment that day. Wouldn't you think that, with a pregnant wife who had not long ago had a miscarriage, 4 calls in an hour from your MIL would concern you?

Plus the fact that he was unable to reach her at the office or by her cell but he didn't call the home to see if she was ill or had stayed home for some other reason.

[Breakingnews]

Not true, AE. The Clerk has the power to remove the Executor and appoint a new one, if the Clerk finds the PR "unsuitable".

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/ByArticle/Chapter_28A/Article_4.pdf

Besides, it has been posted that Jason never probated Michelle's Will. If that's true, he was never appointed PR, and didn't need to be removed.

When I first read about her being appointed executrix, I immediately thought about him not probating the will and wonder if he had shot himself in the foot by not doing it.

[Cardinal]

When I first read about her being appointed executrix, I immediately thought about him not probating the will and wonder if he had shot himself in the foot by not doing it.

Looks that way, doesn't it?

[Cardinal]

Plus the fact that he was unable to reach her at the office or by her cell but he didn't call the home to see if she was ill or had stayed home for some other reason.

Like I said, that really weakens his positon, imo. I can easily see the DA claiming that he didn't call home because he knew she wouldn't answer.

[Breakingnews]

Looks that way, doesn't it?

LOL, he must not have asked his "non-glory" lawyer for any probate advice.

[Cardinal]

LOL, he must not have asked his "non-glory" lawyer for any probate advice.

I seriously doubt he ever thought it would be an issue. In most cases, with spouses who either leave everything to each other or have everything in joint names, it wouldn't be. In this case, it was a major error on his part, imo.

[Jules2]

LOL, he must not have asked his "non-glory" lawyer for any probate advice.


It sounds to me like he was just hoping the whole thing would blow over and any forward movement such as probating the will/collecting the insurance money would bring him unwanted attention.

[JHP]

Looks that way, doesn't it?

Good evening Cardinal, If a will doesn't reach a certain dollar amount does it still need to be probated?

600k, 2 mil? Just a question.

[Barbara2]

Like I said, that really weakens his positon, imo. I can easily see the DA claiming that he didn't call home because he knew she wouldn't answer.

That and the fear that someone else would answer and he would have to return home and not make the side trip to Brevard. He would have had to face the investigators and that wasn't part of the plan. I don't know how any defense atty can get around that.

[jerry50]

Not true, AE. The Clerk has the power to remove the Executor and appoint a new one, if the Clerk finds the PR "unsuitable".

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/ByArticle/Chapter_28A/Article_4.pdf

Besides, it has been posted that Jason never probated Michelle's Will. If that's true, he was never appointed PR, and didn't need to be removed.


ETA: In fact, it could be argued that Jason's failure to probate the Will made him disqualified to serve.

I don't know if a surviving spouse has to probate a will. Nowadays bank accounts have the wording that allows survivorship. When my dad died my mom didn't need to probate anything.
JMO


I don't know if a surviving spouse has to probate a will. Nowadays bank accounts have the wording that allows survivorship. When my dad died my mom didn't need to probate anything.

[Breakingnews]

I seriously doubt he ever thought it would be an issue. In most cases, with spouses who either leave everything to each other or have everything in joint names, it wouldn't be. In this case, it was a major error on his part, imo.

When that info first surfaced I wondered if there was some devious reason behind him not filing with the court. But after reading the NC laws realized what you said was why he didn't. She must have listed him as beneficary on any assets/holdings she had thru PE.

[Cardinal]

Good evening Cardinal, If a will doesn't reach a certain dollar amount does it still need to be probated?

600k, 2 mil? Just a question.

In NC, it's $10,000. And keep in mind that real property owned by spouses as tenants by the entireties and LI and retirement benefits payable to someone other than the estate are not probate property, so they aren't included in the $10,000.

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/ByArticle/Chapter_28A/Article_25.pdf

And there's a separate statute for spouses, regardless of dollar amount:

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/ByArticle/Chapter_28A/Article_28.pdf

Like I said, in most cases, it wouldn't be an issue. Seems as though LF walked through an interesting loophole. Aided by the fact that Michelle named her Alternate Executrix. Who'd have thought?

[alter ego]

From what has been posted, Jason and LF weren't exactly best friends. Why would Jason think LF called him 4 times about anything other than Michelle? Michelle would have had her cell even during her lunch hour. Someone early on posted that MIchelle had a doctor's appointment that day. Wouldn't you think that, with a pregnant wife who had not long ago had a miscarriage, 4 calls in an hour from your MIL would concern you?
If my MIL called me, I wouldn't assume it was about my spouse.

Or vice versa.

We don't know if Michelle would have had her cell with her at lunch.

I just don't find anything suspicious about him not picking up Linda's calls or returning her calls.

[alter ego]

Like I said, in most cases, it wouldn't be an issue. Seems as though LF walked through an interesting loophole. Aided by the fact that Michelle named her Alternate Executrix. Who'd have thought?
i haven't see that fact anywhere but in a couple of postings, card. :shrug:

[Barbara2]

If my MIL called me, I wouldn't assume it was about my spouse.

Or vice versa.

We don't know if Michelle would have had her cell with her at lunch.

I just don't find anything suspicious about him not picking up Linda's calls or returning her calls.

If she left you a message indicating that you needed to call her back because it was important, would you blow her off?

[Cardinal]

i haven't see that fact anywhere but in a couple of postings, card. :shrug:

True, AE. Regardless, Linda Fisher is now the Executrix of Michelle's estate.

[JHP]

In NC, it's $10,000. And keep in mind that real property owned by spouses as tenants by the entireties and LI and retirement benefits payable to someone other than the estate are not probate property, so they aren't included in the $10,000.

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/ByArticle/Chapter_28A/Article_25.pdf

And there's a separate statute for spouses, regardless of dollar amount:

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/ByArticle/Chapter_28A/Article_28.pdf

Like I said, in most cases, it wouldn't be an issue. Seems as though LF walked through an interesting loophole. Aided by the fact that Michelle named her Alternate Executrix. Who'd have thought?

I'm glad that someone found that loophole for her. Thank-you for answering so throughly.

[JHP]

If she left you a message indicating that you needed to call her back because it was important, would you blow her off?

Not I, Unless of course I knew why she was calling.

JMO

[alter ego]

Not true, AE. The Clerk has the power to remove the Executor and appoint a new one, if the Clerk finds the PR "unsuitable".

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/ByArticle/Chapter_28A/Article_4.pdf

Besides, it has been posted that Jason never probated Michelle's Will. If that's true, he was never appointed PR, and didn't need to be removed.


ETA: In fact, it could be argued that Jason's failure to probate the Will made him disqualified to serve.

JMO
Not according to statutes.

§ 28A‑5‑1. Renunciation by executor.

(a) Express Renunciation by Executor. – Any person named or designated as executor in a duly probated will may renounce the office by filing with the clerk of superior court a writing signed by such person, and acknowledged or proved to the satisfaction of the clerk.

(b) Implied Renunciation by Executor. – If any person named or designated as executor fails to qualify or to renounce within 30 days after the will had been admitted to probate, the clerk of superior court, on application of any other person named or designated as executor in the will or of any interested person, shall, or on his own motion may, issue a citation to the person who has failed to qualify or renounce to show cause why he should not be deemed to have renounced. If, upon service of the citation, he does not qualify or renounce or show cause within the time fixed in the citation, such period to be not less than 10 nor more than 30 days, an order must be entered by the clerk of superior court adjudging that he has renounced. If cause be shown, the clerk of superior court may grant to such person a reasonable extension of time within which to qualify or renounce.

(c) Procedure upon Renunciation. – Upon renunciation by a person named or designated as executor, letters shall be issued to some other person as provided in G.S. 28A‑4‑1. (C.C.P., ss. 450, 451; Code, ss. 2163, 2164; Rev., ss. 10, 13; C.S., ss. 13, 16; 1931, c. 183; 1953, c. 78, s. 1; 1973, c. 1329, s. 3.)


http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByChapter/Chapter_28A.html

[alter ego]

True, AE. Regardless, Linda Fisher is now the Executrix of Michelle's estate.
Well, she claims to be that on her WD filing...that could still be challeged....

[Cardinal]

Not according to statutes.

~snipped for space only~



The key here, AE, is "duly probated". If the will weren't duly probated, this section wouldn't apply.

[alter ego]

That and the fear that someone else would answer and he would have to return home and not make the side trip to Brevard. He would have had to face the investigators and that wasn't part of the plan. I don't know how any defense atty can get around that.
Why would he fear someone else would answer if he had not yet sent Meredith over to 'find' Michelle and 'rescue' Cassidy?

He expected Michelle to be at work, not at home. There's no reason why he would call the home since it was a work day for her.

[Cardinal]

Well, she claims to be that on her WD filing...that could still be challeged....

AE, the Clerk who filed the WD suit is the same Clerk who appointed LF Executrix. There is no "claims" about it.

Yes, it can be challenged. Think Jason will do that?

[Barbara2]

Not my current MIL, but my xMIL, yeah.

I guess that's hard for me to understand. I would think he would have been concerned about his unborn baby even if he didn't love his wife and didn't get along with his MIL. It obvious that she didn't call him all the time. A call from her had to signal that something was wrong. Now if he already KNEW what was wrong, I totally understand him ignoring the call.

[alter ego]

The key here, AE, is "duly probated". If the will weren't duly probated, this section wouldn't apply.
§ 31‑12. Executor may apply for probate.

Any executor named in a will may, at any time after the death of the testator, apply to the clerk of the superior court, having jurisdiction, to have the same admitted to probate. Such will shall not be valid or effective to pass real estate or personal property as against innocent purchasers for value and without notice, unless it is probated or offered for probate within two years after the death of the testator or devisor or prior to the time of approval of the final account of a duly appointed administrator of the estate of the deceased, whichever time is earlier. If such will is fraudulently suppressed, stolen or destroyed, or has been lost, and an action or proceeding shall be commenced within two years from the death of the testator or devisor to obtain said will or establish the same as provided by law, then the limitation herein set out shall only begin to run from the termination of said action or proceeding, but not otherwise. (C.C.P., s. 439; Code, s. 2151; Rev., s. 3122; 1919, c. 15; C.S., s. 4139; 1921, c. 99; 1923, c. 14; 1953, c. 920, s. 2; 1975, c. 300, s. 13.)

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bysection/chapter_31/gs_31-12.html

he had 2 years to probate the will.

[Cardinal]

Did he? Apparently not.

ETA: Maybe that was the real reason for delaying it until Tuesday - after the 2 year mark.

[Barbara2]

Why would he fear someone else would answer if he had not yet sent Meredith over to 'find' Michelle and 'rescue' Cassidy?

He expected Michelle to be at work, not at home. There's no reason why he would call the home since it was a work day for her.

As I explained earlier, Jason was in the "unknown zone". He didn't know if someone had come by the house because they saw Michelle's car there, because she hadn't shown up to work and someone became concerned, because Cassidy somehow got out of the house. He had no way of knowing if someone was in the house.

If my husband expected me to be at work and I wasn't there and I didn't answer my cell, he would call home to see if I had stayed home sick. Wouldn't most?

[alter ego]

I guess that's hard for me to understand. I would think he would have been concerned about his unborn baby even if he didn't love his wife and didn't get along with his MIL. It obvious that she didn't call him all the time. A call from her had to signal that something was wrong. Now if he already KNEW what was wrong, I totally understand him ignoring the call.
I just can't automatically make the assumption that his MIL in another state calling had anything at all to do with pregnant wife at home.

A call from her could signal all kinds of things, not all necessarily about his wife or not all necessarily because something is wrong.

[Barbara2]

I just can't automatically make the assumption that his MIL in another state calling had anything at all to do with pregnant wife at home.

A call from her could signal all kinds of things, not all necessarily about his wife or not all necessarily because something is wrong.

She was not in the habit of calling him. He couldn't reach his wife at work. He couldn't reach his wife on her cell. She had a miscarriage with her previous pregnancy. I would think he would at least be curious why his MIL was so desperate to get in touch with him. She didn't call him once. She called him four times.

[alter ego]

She was not in the habit of calling him. He couldn't reach his wife at work. He couldn't reach his wife on her cell. She had a miscarriage with her previous pregnancy. I would think he would at least be curious why his MIL was so desperate to get in touch with him. She didn't call him once. She called him four times.

Yeah I know.

I just don't find his avoidance of her calls suspicious.

[Barbara2]

Yeah I know.

I just don't find his avoidance of her calls suspicious.

Combine his avoidance with everything else you know. Why would he not take a moment to call her back and at least say, "What do you want?"

[alter ego]

AE, the Clerk who filed the WD suit is the same Clerk who appointed LF Executrix. There is no "claims" about it.

Yes, it can be challenged. Think Jason will do that?Can you pls show where she was appointed executrix.

I'm sure he will challenge every part of the WD suit.

[Breakingnews]

I just can't automatically make the assumption that his MIL in another state calling had anything at all to do with pregnant wife at home.

A call from her could signal all kinds of things, not all necessarily about his wife or not all necessarily because something is wrong.

What about if you're out of town and haven't spoken to your spouse & child since you left and your out of state MIL calls? Aren't you the least bit concerned about what's going on when they leave a message to call them?

[alter ego]

Combine his avoidance with everything else you know. Why would he not take a moment to call her back and at least say, "What do you want?"

Maybe he just doesn't like her and would rather not talk to her.

:shrug:

I understand your position and your argument, I just don't find non response to calls from and out of state MIL to be suspicious.

[Cardinal]

Can you pls show where she was appointed executrix.

I'm sure he will challenge every part of the WD suit.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/11/04/3893878/Linda_Fisher_wrongful_death_lawsuit_against_Jason_ Young.pdf

"Linda Lee Fisher, Executrix of the Estate of Michelle Marie Fisher Young"

Jason is free to challenge the WD suit. You do realize, of course, that this would require him to speak?

[Jules2]

I admit that if I were to evaluate some of Jason's actions separately, I might not find anything odd about them at all, but add everything he did together, then each individual act becomes suspicious. IMO

[Barbara2]

Maybe he just doesn't like her and would rather not talk to her.

:shrug:

I understand your position and your argument, I just don't find non response to calls from and out of state MIL to be suspicious.

So he could have called Meredith who he obviously did like and ask why her mother would be calling him. That didn't happen either.

[Breakingnews]

Can you pls show where she was appointed executrix.

I'm sure he will challenge every part of the WD suit.

N &O mentions the will:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1282877.html

Also unsealed Tuesday was an estate filing that includes a copy of Michelle Young's will dated July 24, 2005. It names Jason Young the beneficiary of her life insurance policy and any assets she might have.

NCwanted:
http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/story/3905707/

"The [Wake County] Clerk of Court could see that due to the potential of this lawsuit, on behalf of a 2-year-old child [Cassidy Young] that Jason Young had a conflict," said Jack Michaels, one of Fisher's attorneys.

Linda Fisher was named the executor of Michelle Young's estate last week. Fisher had been listed as the alternate executor, according to Michelle Young's will.

"Our client, Linda Fisher, wants to make sure that her granddaughter, Cassidy, is the sole heir of Michelle's estate," Michaels said.

I also heard it in one of the news videos, but I'm not going back and watching them again. It was mentioned when her atty's gave a press conference.

[alter ego]

N &O mentions the will:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1282877.html



NCwanted:
http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/story/3905707/



I also heard it in one of the news videos, but I'm not going back and watching them again. It was mentioned when her atty's gave a press conference.
Thanks.

And no offense, but I don't find NCWanted to be accurate or reputable.

If Linda is executor, then she is. I'm just mystified how she got the appt if Jason was named and didn't renounce.

[Breakingnews]

Since Jason was busy talking to his mistress I don't find it odd that he didn't answer the phone either. Michelle was obviously not high on his priority list. His mommy and lover were more important than speaking with his pregnant wife's mother. The pregnant wife he wasn't able to reach 3 hours earlier. What a guy.

[jerry50]

It's just one more piece of the puzzle. By itself it may not seem unusual but taken with a pile of other CE it makes sense.

[Cardinal]

Thanks.

And no offense, but I don't find NCWanted to be accurate or reputable.

If Linda is executor, then she is. I'm just mystified how she got the appt if Jason was named and didn't renounce.

Because being named doesn't matter if the will is never probated, AE. A will is just a "paper writing purporting to be a will" until it's probated. So without probate, the will doesn't exist, and neither does the PR.

Enough legalise, eh? Goodnight, everyone. :seeya:

[alter ego]

It's just one more piece of the puzzle. By itself it may not seem unusual but taken with a pile of other CE it makes sense.Or it's just clutter and more a reflection of the dynamics of the interaction between son and MIL.

[alter ego]

Heh, I knew that about you, so that's why I linked the N&O mentioning the will being filed with the court too.
And I thank ya kindly for that. :patriot:

Wish they would have linked the will in the article.

[Barbara2]

Or it's just clutter and more a reflection of the dynamics of the interaction between son and MIL.

He had no problem calling Meredith. Why didn't he call her back and ask, "What's going on?" He was on the phone all day. It's not like it would have taken much effort.

[Breakingnews]

And I thank ya kindly for that. :patriot:

Wish they would have linked the will in the article.

So do I. Looked up all the usual haunts and no one posted it online that I found.

[alter ego]

Since Jason was busy talking to his mistress I don't find it odd that he didn't answer the phone either. Michelle was obviously not high on his priority list. His mommy and lover were more important than speaking with his pregnant wife's mother. The pregnant wife he wasn't able to reach 3 hours earlier. What a guy.
Yeah, that's it....the MIL call or inability to reach his wife at lunch was secondary to his own mother and his lust for his side dish.

[alter ego]

So do I. Looked up all the usual haunts and no one posted it online that I found.
I tried to find an electronic copy with the court but I can't get my Lexus Nexus page to load.

[Breakingnews]

O.K. You got me there. I still think he was avoiding calls because he knew what he did. But he was (is) a pig so that could explain why I can't relate to his reactions or lack thereof.

I agree with you, Barbara. He was avoiding talking to her because he knew Michelle was dead. If Michelle was still alive he probably would have kept talking to MM and called Linda back when we was finished.

And I'm still in disbelief that MM was still carrying on with him until 1-08. She was skewered big time on the Internet when their relationship was first revealed. Imagine how her husband felt back then. Now to have this publicized, YIKES.

[Barbara2]

I agree with you, Barbara. He was avoiding talking to her because he knew Michelle was dead. If Michelle was still alive he probably would have kept talking to MM and called Linda back when we was finished.

And I'm still in disbelief that MM was still carrying on with him until 1-08. She was skewered big time on the Internet when their relationship was first revealed. Imagine how her husband felt back then. Now to have this publicized, YIKES.

I feel very badly for him. He's a victim as much as Linda and Meredith. He did nothing to bring this on himself and now his life has been plastered on the internet. I hope he finds someone who can be a soulmate and who can nurture his children. I can't believe he wouldn't get custody under the circumstances.

[alter ego]

And I'm still in disbelief that MM was still carrying on with him until 1-08. She was skewered big time on the Internet when their relationship was first revealed. Imagine how her husband felt back then. Now to have this publicized, YIKES.
Ok, that date just sank in.

January this year.

Wow.

Do you think she may have been wired for sound?

[Jules2]

You know, I just thought of something. The cell phone records indicate that Jason called Michelle's work at 12:04 PM. He then calls Meredith at 12:10PM. This is when he supposedly asked her to go retrieve the print out before Michelle sees it. He then calls Michelle's cell at 12:17 PM.

We all know he didn't reach Michelle since she was already dead, but if he was sending his SIL over to the house to get a print out he didn't want his wife to find, and he couldn't verify the whereabouts of his wife, I would think he would try calling home just to make sure she wasn't there. Wasn't he at all worried that Meredith would get there and find her home. Ironically, it appears to be the real purpose of his wanting to get Meredith over to the house, but still his not calling home just now seems odd to me when it didn't before.

Sorry to bring up the calls again, but that thought just occurred to me.

[Barbara2]

You know, I just thought of something. The cell phone records indicate that Jason called Michelle's work at 12:04 PM. He then calls Meredith at 12:10PM. This is when he supposedly asked her to go retrieve the print out before Michelle sees it. He then calls Michelle's cell at 12:17 PM.

We all know he didn't reach Michelle since she was already dead, but if he was sending his SIL over to the house to get a print out he didn't want his wife to find, and he couldn't verify the whereabouts of his wife, I would think he would try calling home just to make sure she wasn't there. Wasn't he at all worried that Meredith would get there and find her home. Ironically, it appears to be the real purpose of his wanting to get Meredith over to the house, but still his not calling home just now seems odd to me when it didn't before.

Sorry to bring up the calls again, but that thought just occurred to me.

Not at all. The whole lack of calling the house has bothered me since I saw the warrant. Office, cell but not the home. Something wrong with that whole scenario had he been an innocent man. IMO

[Samiya]

Ok, that date just sank in.

January this year.

Wow.

Do you think she may have been wired for sound?


Betrayal of her friend, complete lack of respect for, not to mention the humiliation of, her own husband, and complete mockery of her own wedding vows. And that's without going through the tidbits of her relationship with Jason Young, let alone what she did to Michelle, who was supposed to be her friend.

And all for?

Because she couldn't keep her legs closed.

She can not make up for that by wearing a wire. She could wear razor wire and it still wouldn't make up for that. She may think that it could redeem herself in her own eyes, but the eyes of others will always look on differently.

Michelle Money is not worth ladybug doodoo as far as I am concerned.


Rant over

For Michelle & Rylan.

Two hearts that lay as one forever

:rose:

[jerzeegirl]

the part about the phone calls that really bothers me is LF leaves a msg saying "call me back its important". It was stated how much he checked his voicemails that day, never returned her call but yet spoke to his mom however many times and spoke to money bunches of times. I see where his priorities are and what the motive behind NOT answer or returning her call is. Its basically spelled out for me.

[jerzeegirl]

Im starting to wonder if michelle found out through the grapevine about her husband and michele money. Maybe it was the reason for separate vacations and the therapy. The judge did say that he thought what the therapist knew was significant to the case. Maybe she knew, maybe she confronted him soon before he killed her.

[JHP]

You know, I just thought of something. The cell phone records indicate that Jason called Michelle's work at 12:04 PM. He then calls Meredith at 12:10PM. This is when he supposedly asked her to go retrieve the print out before Michelle sees it. He then calls Michelle's cell at 12:17 PM.

We all know he didn't reach Michelle since she was already dead, but if he was sending his SIL over to the house to get a print out he didn't want his wife to find, and he couldn't verify the whereabouts of his wife, I would think he would try calling home just to make sure she wasn't there. Wasn't he at all worried that Meredith would get there and find her home. Ironically, it appears to be the real purpose of his wanting to get Meredith over to the house, but still his not calling home just now seems odd to me when it didn't before.

Sorry to bring up the calls again, but that thought just occurred to me.

I wonder if he left a message to Michelle at 12:17? Remember Scotts message to Laci. It would be interesting to know.

JMO

[Barbara2]

How do you think Linda sounded in the 40 second messages ?
We know she is very emotional, so not responding at all is huge.;)

I've been trying to say that all night but it has been excused at every turn. Just how many incriminating things can one make excuses for???? :shrug:

[Cardinal]

Harvy, forgive me for interrupting your diatribe, but when you catch your breath, please take a moment to read CW's sticky. When you do, you should realize that several of your comments are in direct violation of her warning.

BTW, my nic is Cardinal. There are several posters here who shorten it to "Card" and who are welcome to do so. You are not among them.



Good morning.


:rose: Hoping that justice for Michelle and Rylan is another day closer.

[JHP]

Not at all. The whole lack of calling the house has bothered me since I saw the warrant. Office, cell but not the home. Something wrong with that whole scenario had he been an innocent man. IMO


Not only Barbara didn't he call the house, But he only tried to reach her 1time at the office and 1 time on her cell.

But Mumsie was called 28 times:shrug:.

I wonder if he reached her each time?

Thats what i'd like to know is the duration of those calls.

JMO

[mulhollanddr]

Just my opinions on recent developments and the SW.
- Overall no surprises from me. Confirms that Police, LF, MF are on the same page. There are no mystery search warrants pointing to anyone else.

- Ebay print out for an auction that expired before Meredith could see the picture. I still am perplexed by this a little though. The SW infers he had to have printed it out before leaving, meaning Michelle could have found it and threw it away, leading to no bait for him to get Meredith to his house.

- Further info on this leads me to think it was just circumstance and not pre-planning. He seems to like Meredith, and I don't think he would want to frame her or get her off-side. She could have been someone from the Fishers, on his side. Secondly he only rang her at 12:10pm, and not the panicked 6am call that we've been speculating about, also leading me to think he was in a state of chaos and just using different bits of pieces to get things done. Maybe I'm being too kind, as even pre-planning often isn't logical or perfect.

- Kim sounds very worried, and probably in her heart of hearts knows what happened, she seems concerned about Cassidy. There seems to be an acceptance of things. The ironic thing is that she is asking questions that the JDI's have been asking of Jason, but then has likely come on here and spread information to defend him.

- Blisters from possibly wearing smaller shoes. Teehee, that was a sweet, sweet moment.

- JY "Hopefully there will NEVER be an arrest". May be slightly out of context, but that there reveals all.

- Possibly drugging of Cassidy. I'm not 100% on this one, as far as connecting it to MY murder. He may have used it to put her to sleep in the past, which would be enough for her to be taken off him, but not directly connected to the murder. She was up by at least 12ish, so she couldn't have been asleep for overly long that night.

- Phone calls, story is clear. Just backs up most people's belief's that he was wanting to get to a place of comfort to hide out.

- I'm not going to get too much into JY's character. We knew about it 12-18 months ago and its confirmed here. I think its a good lesson, to anybody thinking about having an affair, get your businesss sorted out first.

- I do wonder though what's stopping a indictment. I've seen cases with a lot less evidence go to trial.

[Cardinal]

~snipped for space~

- Further info on this leads me to think it was just circumstance and not pre-planning. He seems to like Meredith, and I don't think he would want to frame her or get her off-side. She could have been someone from the Fishers, on his side. Secondly he only rang her at 12:10pm, and not the panicked 6am call that we've been speculating about, also leading me to think he was in a state of chaos and just using different bits of pieces to get things done. Maybe I'm being too kind, as even pre-planning often isn't logical or perfect.

My thoughts are similar as to things not having been as planned as some believe. I think if Michelle's murder had been completely planned, the trail would be easier to follow. As strange as that may sound.

Welcome, mulhollanddr. :seeya:

[jerry50]

My thoughts are similar as to things not having been as planned as some believe. I think if Michelle's murder had been completely planned, the trail would be easier to follow. As strange as that may sound.

Welcome, mulhollanddr. :seeya:

It was posted long ago that JY showed GA the printout before he left that night. Since this was the bait to lure Meredith it points to premed to me. Things got a lot more messy than he had planned and rearranging his getaway, return to hotel, meeting, etc didn't go as smoothly as he had thought.

Poor Michelle. She was crumpled on the floor in a bloody mess with her beloved daughter walking in her blood and he is on the phone with his mistress. If JY took any notes from Peterson West he must have missed the page where Laci's mom said, "Divorce is always an option."

:rose:Michelle

[gbmy]

Very insightful summary of your thoughts. I've been a staunch supporter of JY since this thread opened. I must say that after reading this latest SW, the most detailed account of events thus far, my belief in his innocence is erroding. It is extremely hard for me to get my arms around why JY would be googling things BEFORE the murder like 'head trauma knockout', 'anatomy of a knockout', and 'right posterior parietal occipital region'. How can such searches mean anything other than what was in his mind at the time?

My opinion of what's preventing an arrest is the difference in shoe sizes (10 at the crime scene vs. the size 12 JY purchased). Not being able to definitively put him at the scene of the crime is a huge hole. And, if they can't definitively prove he walked out of the hotel exit that night, then that's another big hole.

[jerzeegirl]

Very insightful summary of your thoughts. I've been a staunch supporter of JY since this thread opened. I must say that after reading this latest SW, the most detailed account of events thus far, my belief in his innocence is erroding. It is extremely hard for me to get my arms around why JY would be googling things BEFORE the murder like 'head trauma knockout', 'anatomy of a knockout', and 'right posterior parietal occipital region'. How can such searches mean anything other than what was in his mind at the time?

My opinion of what's preventing an arrest is the difference in shoe sizes (10 at the crime scene vs. the size 12 JY purchased). Not being able to definitively put him at the scene of the crime is a huge hole. And, if they can't definitively prove he walked out of the hotel exit that night, then that's another big hole.


Hi gbmy, i thought the blisters on his feet/toes were a red flag. Im if he ever went to trial that could be explained away just like everything that is CE in a trial. But for me its the whole picture. Everything put together just adds up to his guilt.

I was totally on the fence about whether or not he was having an affair with Money. I think that latest SW made me really angry. These were his own words, not hearsay. His own words and phone records. I think june said it best, he not only didnt love michelle, he didnt like her much either.

Again, just because he betrayed his wife, doesnt mean hes a killer. But its the whole picture coming together.

Why they wont arrest him with all this CE? Your guess is as good as mine. Theres more CE in this case than ive seen in most trials ive followed on CTV/IS.

[jerzeegirl]

Hope im not off topic by saying this. But i was saying in my last post how much CE is in this case, i believe theres so much in this case than in the BC case. I think the only thing that may make it look worse for BC is the fact that he and NC were legally separated. But now i see that someone in michelle and jasons house were searching for info on divorce. No matter which one was doing the search, it doesnt look good for JY that this thought was in either his or Michelles mind.

[gbmy]

Hi gbmy, i thought the blisters on his feet/toes were a red flag. Im if he ever went to trial that could be explained away <snipped>
Why they wont arrest him with all this CE? Your guess is as good as mine. <snipped> /IS.
Yeah, although the blisters on the feet thing is a piece of CE that addresses the 10 vs. 12 shoe size dilemma, the fact of the matter is, the shoe doesn't fit....And, we all remember what the late Johnny Cochran said "If the glove doesn't fit, then you must acquit!" (ok, not a great example of a case to reference.....got it!).

If they can't prove he walked out of the hotel exit AND they can't link him to the scene of the crime with "non-CE" evidence, then their case is weakened.....I'm not saying it isn't a solid case, but I believe it's this degree of weakness that is holding up the arrest.....my opinion.

[annalyzer]

Yeah, although the blisters on the feet thing is a piece of CE that addresses the 10 vs. 12 shoe size dilemma, the fact of the matter is, the shoe doesn't fit....And, we all remember what the late Johnny Cochran said "If the glove doesn't fit, then you must acquit!" (ok, not a great example of a case to reference.....got it!).

If they can't prove he walked out of the hotel exit AND they can't link him to the scene of the crime with "non-CE" evidence, then their case is weakened.....I'm not saying it isn't a solid case, but I believe it's this degree of weakness that is holding up the arrest.....my opinion.


If he left the hotel at midnite wearing what he had on then he didn't have on the too small Franklin's when he left. Unless he changed into them before the long drive home I don't see how they could leave blisters, if he only wore them long enough to throw off the investigation. He surely didn't wear them out of the house or there would have been trace evidence in his vehicle.

[gbmy]

If he left the hotel at midnite wearing what he had on then he didn't have on the too small Franklin's when he left. Unless he changed into them before the long drive home I don't see how they could leave blisters, if he only wore them long enough to throw off the investigation. He surely didn't wear them out of the house or there would have been trace evidence in his vehicle.
Yes, I concur.

[Jules2]

If he left the hotel at midnite wearing what he had on then he didn't have on the too small Franklin's when he left. Unless he changed into them before the long drive home I don't see how they could leave blisters, if he only wore them long enough to throw off the investigation. He surely didn't wear them out of the house or there would have been trace evidence in his vehicle.


Maybe he wore them around the house for a few days prior to the murder in order to "break them in" enough to be more comfortable.

If the Franklins were old shoes he had from years ago that he occasionally tossed on to do messy home repair jobs (like sealing the deck), perhaps he was aware of how uncomfortable they were when he last wore them and decided he needed to stretch them out a bit.

MO, of course, but it would explain the blisters.

[annalyzer]

Maybe he wore them around the house for a few days prior to the murder in order to "break them in" enough to be more comfortable.

If the Franklins were old shoes he had from years ago that he occasionally tossed on to do messy home repair jobs (like sealing the deck), perhaps he was aware of how uncomfortable they were when he last wore them and decided he needed to stretch them out a bit.

MO, of course, but it would explain the blisters.

If they were that bad they'd leave blisters I don't see why anyone would hang onto them to do yardwork. If he was only going to use the shoes to throw off the investigation/wear them only long enough to leave prints, I don't see why he'd need to break them in for that. If he didn't plan on a bloody mess what prints did he plan on leaving and where to throw off the investigation?

So many questions. Can't wait for an arrrest and trial!

[annalyzer]

My question is why was a photo showed to a doctor? Why didn't LE get a live Dr. to give an opinion? They had Jason and his feet were with him yet they used a photo . Maybe he has athletic feet problems. Were they afraid a real Dr. looking at real feet might say this. My poor husband used absorbine Jr. on his feet all the time and he still had blisters and itching.


Probably because at the time of his feet being photographed they didn't know about the too small shoe print(s).

[alter ego]

My question is why was a photo showed to a doctor? Why didn't LE get a live Dr. to give an opinion? They had Jason and his feet were with him yet they used a photo . Maybe he has athletic feet problems. Were they afraid a real Dr. looking at real feet might say this. My poor husband used absorbine Jr. on his feet all the time and he still had blisters and itching.
NTIO is to gather specific info from a person - it's not a medical exam so a dr could not be standing by to actually exam his feet.

[summertime]

LE knows he was called and told. LE can be devious.



Yes, somewhat. I may have agreed with you a short time ago. Recently I had a daughter become a crime victim. I knew what happened to her, she told me. But I wanted to hear what the cops were thinking, how they were processing the info, what the next step was going to be. I didn't need details of the crime, I did need details of the investigation, even in the earliest stages. IMO.

[alter ego]

If he left the hotel at midnite wearing what he had on then he didn't have on the too small Franklin's when he left. Unless he changed into them before the long drive home I don't see how they could leave blisters, if he only wore them long enough to throw off the investigation. He surely didn't wear them out of the house or there would have been trace evidence in his vehicle.The size10 Franklin, IMO, is why there hasn't been an indictment and while there won't be until it can be explained.

I am also curious as to where cell phone tower triangulation places him in the morning and how it affects the timelines established in the SWs.

[alter ego]

If he wore the shoes while he committed this murder, the physical exertion it would take to beat her the way she was beaten (overkill) could cause blisters on his feet. A podiatrist stated that the blisters were consistent with just "wearing" shoes that were too small, let alone exerting the energy it would take to beat someone to death while wearing them. And he probably couldn't wear socks if they were so tight, thus more rubbing and pressure on his bare feet.Why would he change shoes in the middle of a murder?

[annalyzer]

If he wore the shoes while he committed this murder, the physical exertion it would take to beat her the way she was beaten (overkill) could cause blisters on his feet. A podiatrist stated that the blisters were consistent with just "wearing" shoes that were too small, let alone exerting the energy it would take to beat someone to death while wearing them. And he probably couldn't wear socks if they were so tight, thus more rubbing and pressure on his bare feet.


I guess I have to agree. I have some heels in there I ordered online that are too small and I'm sure they would leave a blister in no time. I wouldn't think a pair of tennis shoes would do the same as fast but I guess they could.

[annalyzer]

The size10 Franklin, IMO, is why there hasn't been an indictment and while there won't be until it can be explained.

I am also curious as to where cell phone tower triangulation places him in the morning and how it affects the timelines established in the SWs.


Me too. I'd love to see the interview transcripts of at least three or four people in particular, all of the phone logs and Jason's ping log. I wonder why they were released so early in the Anthony case but not here. Oh I know, Wake County doesn't do things like that. :tongue:

[annalyzer]

Yes they did.
He was not photographed at CCBI for 5 days


They may have knew about the print but I meant knew it was a Franklin size 10 at the time. Yet they may have not known about the print, it not showing up clearly during their crime scene analysis at the house.

[annalyzer]

I told you before they don't name suspects in ongoing investigations.
Are you trying to start something yet again ?
I never mentioned anything about suspects. :punch:

[annalyzer]

Because Florida has the Sunshine Law. I don't think NC has anything equal to it.
Thanks Tia. I wish everyone had that law. And Laci's Law too!

[jerzeegirl]

And an arrest will happen any day now.


i sure hope so

[HI_CYCLE]

I don`t even know where to start. I go to my doctor Thursday end up on an ambulance ride and just got home last night after a stint in hospital. This morning I see where another SW has been served and the details are astonishing.Althoe you can tell the details released is for the upcoming WDS,the information shows Jason Young to be another hoe dog. I am shocked at this mans own words describing his feelings for his own pregnant wife. I will not and do NOT want to attempt to make excuses for this person. I will not even refer to him as a man. I am in shock.
I do not regret defending a person right to be considered IUPG,but I regret ever giving him the benefit of a doubt about caring for his wife and CHILD. A man that loved his child would NEVER show such disrespect for that child`s mother. In my eyes JY is a dog, a piece of poop and that is putting it nicely.
Now what a arrest??? I can honestly say if JY can not without any doubt, place himself away from the crime scene, IMO he murdered his wife. With the information LF has,I understand completely why she has taken the actions she has and I wish her all the luck in being successful. JY does NOT deserve one penny of anything Michelle Young help work and pay for.As for MM, I hope her friends ostracize her and never trust her around their husband. If this women will sleep with her best friends husband, she does not deserve a friend. I hate LE not being more forthright with this information when it was first discovered. Why would LE keep it from the public? Neither of these two people deserved this protection for 2 years.
Now, I will continue to pray that justice is done for this Mother and unborn child, that she rest in peace and both Jason and MM live out their lives without any peace for their selfishness.

Linda,I hope you get justice for your daughter and unborn grandson. My prayer will certainly be with you. May God grant you the strength for the work you have ahead of you.
:rose: Justice for Michelle and son.

[annalyzer]

Beautiful post Hi-C. :rose:

[jerzeegirl]

wow hiC.....great post and i too hope you are ok.

[Amy]

If my spouse had been murdered and my child found in the house with his body I would want details from everyone that had been in there and had seen this scene and had talked to and had seen my child. Until I could get to the scene of the crime myself I would be starved for DETAILS, so for Jason not to ask the cops when they called him about Michelle and what happened to her and how Cassidy was is very suspicious to me. That is just me, JMO.

I understand about having heard from family and friends, but I would think hearing the OFFCIAL statement from LE would be something important. When calls are relayed from one party to another, details can be lost, changed just by how different people are stating things. But, if I were in a state of shock, maybe I wouldn't think of calling LE if I had already heard from my MIL, etc. It's a hard call.

I would think, @ one point, getting the info from the direct source (LE) would come to mind. "I heard this part, and is that true?" kind of thing.

[HI_CYCLE]

Because Florida has the Sunshine Law. I don't think NC has anything equal to it.Tiaz, our Florida Sunshine Law only is for political meetings, NOT for personal protection. It was passed so our elected officials could NOT meet or discuss public business behind the backs of our citizen`s. This is my understanding of it but I have to admit I have never even read it completely.

[HI_CYCLE]

TY all for your kind words,I have been diagnosed after a Heart Catheterization with Pulmonary Hypertension. My problems are small compared to LF`s. I have lived a wonderful life full of love, I only wish Linda did NOT have to feel the pain she is suffering. I am so sorry for her.

[Cardinal]

TY all for your kind words,I have been diagnosed after a Heart Catheterization with Pulmonary Hypertension. My problems are small compared to LF`s. I have lived a wonderful life full of love, I only wish Linda did NOT have to feel the pain she is suffering. I am so sorry for her.

HC, I am utterly speechless after reading your post upthread. And you know it's not easy to make me speechless. :) Wow.


You're taking care of yourself, right?

[HI_CYCLE]

HC, I know we have had our differences.
I think you can now see where I was coming from for the past 2 years with my obsession to see Jason Young pay for his evil deed.

Take care of your health

Good luck against Vanderbilt :)TY Bud, I was just about to post a TY for the link to the calender. I can certainly see it thru different eyes and mindset now. I do believe we have another wife and mother murdered by a selfish man who care for NO ONE but himself.
Yes, I certainly see and can appreciate your obsession for Justice for Michelle and to expose this DOG for what and who he really is.
I feel like JY has raped me of all my trust in men.:rose: for you

[HI_CYCLE]

HC, I am utterly speechless after reading your post upthread. And you know it's not easy to make me speechless. :) Wow.

You're taking care of yourself, right? TY cardinal and I really don`t want to make this thread about me. I only want to see Linda Fisher get Justice for her daughter and cassidy.
;) making you speechless. If you knew me you would NOT have been speechless. I have and always will want justice for Michelle and her unborn son. Michelle deserves that. I am so glad the latest SW was released stat to the public.

[jerry50]

Yeah, although the blisters on the feet thing is a piece of CE that addresses the 10 vs. 12 shoe size dilemma, the fact of the matter is, the shoe doesn't fit....And, we all remember what the late Johnny Cochran said "If the glove doesn't fit, then you must acquit!" (ok, not a great example of a case to reference.....got it!).

If they can't prove he walked out of the hotel exit AND they can't link him to the scene of the crime with "non-CE" evidence, then their case is weakened.....I'm not saying it isn't a solid case, but I believe it's this degree of weakness that is holding up the arrest.....my opinion.

Remember all of the posts when we found out about the smaller shoe size and the pages went on and on about how no one would wear smaller shoes? Now that we know about the blisters on his feet I think that is one of the most powerful pieces of CE...and premeditation in trying to mislead LE.

My opinion is that the holdup is further forensic clarification on JY's DNA on the blood spattered wall to prove that the DNA was left there during the beating.

I also think that LE does have proof that he left the hotel. They just showed one picture.
Poor Michelle. :rose:

[HI_CYCLE]

They had been in the house for several days by then I am sure they found the pillow with the bloody 10 on it quite early.Jason Young is a sneaky dog. He has had a lot of practice and has deceit perfected. He is capable of anything in MO.

[freejason]

They had been in the house for several days by then I am sure they found the pillow with the bloody 10 on it quite early.

I thought you'd seen the light....now, I'm starting to feel sorry for your delusions again.

Tsk.Tsk.

[HI_CYCLE]

I agree with every thing you have said. I can't believe that he could play a part so well. I don't think Michelle knew anything about MM . If she knew I think she learned it that night from Shelly. Michelle really though Jason loved her.I can NOT even allow myself to think about the horrible heartbreak in her last moments of her life. I just can`t go there.

[Cardinal]

TY cardinal and I really don`t want to make this thread about me. I only want to see Linda Fisher get Justice for her daughter and cassidy.
;) making you speechless. If you knew me you would NOT have been speechless. I have and always will want justice for Michelle and her unborn son. Michelle deserves that. I am so glad the latest SW was released stat to the public.

I'm glad too, although I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around some of it.

And FWIW, I believe you've always wanted justice for Michelle and Rylan. :)

[Cardinal]

I have no delusions. I think he is beyond scum for treating Michelle the way he did. I just haven't seen anything that would put him back in Raleigh. Remember there were 2 people involved in his affair. Seems like in his email to her he was warning her that she was going to end up with a broken heart. Maybe she made sure she didn't. Wonder why she stopped seeing him in Jan. 08? Her decision or his?

June, the way I read the emails, Jason meant that the 2 broken hearts would belong to Michelle (Young) and Steve Money. Take another look at them.

And I wonder why she kept seeing him until Jan 08.

[Jules2]

I have no delusions. I think he is beyond scum for treating Michelle the way he did. I just haven't seen anything that would put him back in Raleigh. Remember there were 2 people involved in his affair. Seems like in his email to her he was warning her that she was going to end up with a broken heart. Maybe she made sure she didn't. Wonder why she stopped seeing him in Jan. 08? Her decision or his?


It doesn't appear that Jason placed any calls from his cell phone during the hours that Michelle "could" have been murdered, but those he placed to his mother, Meredith, Michelle and even Mrs. Money were placed while he was far away from home. Those cell phone records and pings would confirm that Mrs. Money was in Florida and too far away to have been anywhere near Birchleaf Dr. during the night of the murder and having time enough to get back home.


I think Jason was phoning as many people as he could in order to place himself far away from the crime scene but no calls were made during a long enough period of time to place him away from the scene at the TOD.


IMO

[HI_CYCLE]

June, the way I read the emails, Jason meant that the 2 broken hearts would belong to Michelle (Young) and Steve Money. Take another look at them.

And I wonder why she kept seeing him until Jan 08.Because she is a useless human being just like JY??
How can her husband still look at her without vomiting?? He needs to divorce her get his children away from such a women. She does NOT deserve to be a wife or Mother.
ETA: Maybe LE will help Mr. Money out by charging her with accessory before and after the fact.

[Jules2]

Because she is a useless human being just like JY??
How can her husband still look at her without vomiting?? He needs to divorce her get his children away from such a women. She does NOT deserve to be a wife or Mother.


Maybe he loves her enough to be forgiving. I know I wouldn't, but it's amazing how spouses are willing to let go even the most serious forms of betrayal.

[Cardinal]

Because she is a useless human being just like JY??
How can her husband still look at her without vomiting?? He needs to divorce her get his children away from such a women. She does NOT deserve to be a wife or Mother.

I respect that Steve Money was willing to forgive his wife and keep his marriage together. But can you imagine how he's feeling now? Not only are the gory details public, but he finds out that they were still in contact.

Poor man.

[Jules2]

I guess he conceded that MM would be discovered immediately by LE. He looked at S Peterson and knew that was no proof he murdered his wife. He was obviously obsessed with her...she was the first person he called after his evil deed. Unlike SP, imo this was no 'fling', he truly wanted this woman and was willing to kill his wife to get her.

Then perhaps his calling her was also his way of providing an alibi for her.

[HI_CYCLE]

I respect that Steve Money was willing to forgive his wife and keep his marriage together. But can you imagine how he's feeling now? Not only are the gory details public, but he finds out that they were still in contact.

Poor man.You are right card. I doubt he had any idea that his wife was trying to get pregnant by her best friends husband or that the two of them have continued their relationship since his forgiveness. Like many of us, he probably thought it was just a fling without sex and it was over after Michelle was murdered. Maybe he feels different today.
I do feel sorry for him and their children.

[HI_CYCLE]

Then perhaps his calling her was also his way of providing an alibi for her.I think you may be right.

[jerry50]

If LE has proof that he left the motel and hasn't arrested him then you guys that live in Wake County need to elect a new Sheriff next time around.


They still have to put him in their bedroom that night. That's why I think the holdup is forensics regarding his DNA, BARD.

I think that if LE has the pictures they have released that they also have pics of him leaving the hotel. As it stands now, he left his room, was seen walking to an exit and the door to the room was not opened again until the next day by the maid. This at least shows that he had the opportunity. And after the release of the search warrant we can certainly see motive.

[Cardinal]

I went back to the 2/14 SWs to see if these latest revelations shed any more light on them.

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/youngwarrants.pdf

From the description of items to be seized: an egg shaped sterling silver tooth box with an attached ribbon

On the inventory of items seized: 1 brown paper coach bag with white rag and ribbon

Ribbon...ribbon. Interesting.

JMO

[gbmy]

I wonder where Kat is? Like me, I know he has been steadfast in his defense of JY. I expended quite a bit of time trying to show empathy for him and it now appears it was not warranted. I feel so, so bad for Cassidy. She will have to grow up to be a very strong woman of faith to rise above all of this. That's where our prayers should be directed.

[jerry50]

It couldn't have happened that way. Jason was videoed going into the motel carrying luggage. When he was videoed going toward the exit he didn't have the luggage. Some time or other he was back in that room . According to some there are camera's pointing right at the door to Jason's room. LE has to know when he was in and out of that room. I don't believe Jason did this murder but I think LE is trying to force him to tell who did. I think he probably knows who did or has a pretty good idea.

I don't remember any picture of him going into the hotel with luggage. At the most he would have just needed a change of clothes and a shaving kit.

[jerry50]

The best think that man can do is get rid of that woman ASAP. I don't mean kill her. LOL She not only went to Michelles funeral but she was helping put a scrap book together for Cassie. Boy can you say 2 faced.

The scary part is, did she think that she and JY would end up together someday and was starting one for her "stepdaughter"?

[Cardinal]

I wonder where Kat is? Like me, I know he has been steadfast in his defense of JY. I expended quite a bit of time trying to show empathy for him and it now appears it was not warranted. I feel so, so bad for Cassidy. She will have to grow up to be a very strong woman of faith to rise above all of this. That's where our prayers should be directed.

Kat is rarely around on weekends. I imagine she particularly needed to get away this weekend.

And I too feel terrible for Cassidy. Hopefully, she inherited her mother's strength and character and those qualities will get her through. But you're right, she should be in all of our prayers. Her grandmother Fisher would probably appreciate them, too - she has a very difficult road ahead of her. Honestly, so does her grandmother Young, imo.

JMO

[HI_CYCLE]

Jerry, here is the picture at check-in
Note the bag over his right shoulder.


http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/alive695/225054.jpgBud, do you know if he carried a garment bag into his room? He had to change into his suit at some point.

[Breakingnews]

I went back to the 2/14 SWs to see if these latest revelations shed any more light on them.

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/youngwarrants.pdf

From the description of items to be seized: an egg shaped sterling silver tooth box with an attached ribbon

On the inventory of items seized: 1 brown paper coach bag with white rag and ribbon

Ribbon...ribbon. Interesting.

JMO

There was some discussion about this when it was released to the public. I am not familiar with Coach handbags so I had to do some googling. On Ebay it seems to be a major thing to have the ribbon that came with the purchase. Also I think the paper brown bag could be the dustbag that comes with the purse. From what I've read the dustbags are either brown or white with Coach printed on them. If so, where's the purse?

Here's a pic of one, the purse & accs are laying on top it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTHENTIC-COACH-SIGNATURE-SWINGPACK-w-DUST-BAG_W0QQitemZ250319116418QQcmdZViewItem

[HI_CYCLE]

I really wish LE had released this info early and the news media had been a little more involved. Had the media requested every business owner to review their video for the night of the murder someone may have come forward sooner with more information on JY.If he only entered his room one time, if he murdered Michelle, he had to change into his suit some where after the murder. I guess there is still hope someone may remember a male changing in a restroom on the road. Maybe he was seen and no one actually thought about connecting it to JY.

[Breakingnews]

I really wish LE had released this info early and the news media had been a little more involved. Had the media requested every business owner to review their video for the night of the murder someone may have come forward sooner with more information on JY.If he only entered his room one time, if he murdered Michelle, he had to change into his suit some where after the murder. I guess there is still hope someone may remember a male changing in a restroom on the road. Maybe he was seen and no one actually thought about connecting it to JY.

He could have changed at Birchleaf. He had access to a shower and a closet full of clothes.

[HI_CYCLE]

June1943 Wrote::" If he didn't kill her now is the time for him to stop this foolishness and call a news conference."

June I agree, he needs to step up to the plate and answer some questions. We know he want because he does NOT have the backbone do do something good.

[jerry50]

Consider this June....you don't 'check out' of Hampton Inns

1- He carried a bag in , not out
2- He propped the outside door with a lava rock from the landscaping
3- He easily 'shimmed' the room door so it would not lock
4- He needed to change into his suit Friday am
5- He needed to get the newspaper from outside the door
6- He needed to get the all important receipt from under the door.


So how do you think he got back into the hotel without being seen? Didn't the hotel staff say that they had noticed the outside door was propped so I assume someone removed the rock. LE may have him on video returning to the room.

If he had to go through the hotel and get videotaped that might be another reason that he was nervous at the meeting. I wonder how MM thought he sounded when he called her.

[Cardinal]

The dust bags for Coach purses are made from cloth. In the picture, if you enlarge it, you can see the purse and other items are actually lying on top of the dust bag. (It has thin red strings to draw it closed.)

The brown paper bag they are referring to may be the shopping bag that the stores put items purchased into, the ribbon would be the one that is always tied around the box. Whenever you purchase a Coach bag from a Coach store, or online (not in an outlet) they wrap it in tissue, place it in a box, wrap it with their signature ribbon (a dark red), then put it in the paper shopping bag.

Thanks, Wyn and Breakingnews. Guess it's obvious I don't shop Coach, huh? :D

So either Jason already had the gift he was allegedly canvassing everyone about, or Michelle had bought herself a Coach purse at some point and the bag was still around. I suppose there's no real significance to the bag LE seized.

[Breakingnews]

The dust bags for Coach purses are made from cloth. In the picture, if you enlarge it, you can see the purse and other items are actually lying on top of the dust bag. (It has thin red strings to draw it closed.)

The brown paper bag they are referring to may be the shopping bag that the stores put items purchased into, the ribbon would be the one that is always tied around the box. Whenever you purchase a Coach bag from a Coach store, or online (not in an outlet) they wrap it in tissue, place it in a box, wrap it with their signature ribbon (a dark red), then put it in the paper shopping bag.

Thanks. I've wasn't sure if the shopping bag would be brown paper or more upscale since it's a designer purse. Since he listed rag it made me think that it might have been inside the dustbag.

[Cardinal]

To avoid being seen by the desk clerk, when he returned for these items, all he had to do was be near the exit door when another person came out of the hotel and catch the door to go in. Wouldn't need to use his key card showing he entered again.

That wouldn't be difficult at that time of morning. Business travelers are checking out and heading out before 8 am, ime. But even if he passed someone, it's unlikely it registered with the person. The person could be already on his cell and never looked at him.

JMO

[MerriMent]

That's what is making me go in circles. He carried a bag into the motel. If he was leaving as everyone claims when he was in the hallway. Where was the bag? If he was at home around 5:00 AM when the newspaper guy saw a car there how did he get back into the motel to change clothes? When did he check out of the motel? We don't know. LE hasn't said and Jason isn't talking. If he didn't kill her now is the time for him to stop this foolishness and call a news conference. If he checked out of the motel say at 7:00 AM then he couldn't have been in Raleigh when the paper man saw the car. Even if he has to give up the one that killed her ,now is the time.

I think that will come in his official response to the WDS.

If he opens his mouth directly, whatever he says will be twisted to make it appear he's an accessory.

[MerriMent]

I really wish LE had released this info early and the news media had been a little more involved. Had the media requested every business owner to review their video for the night of the murder someone may have come forward sooner with more information on JY.If he only entered his room one time, if he murdered Michelle, he had to change into his suit some where after the murder. I guess there is still hope someone may remember a male changing in a restroom on the road. Maybe he was seen and no one actually thought about connecting it to JY.

I think there is hotel security video of him leaving the hotel the next morning in his suit.

[MerriMent]

That wouldn't be difficult at that time of morning. Business travelers are checking out and heading out before 8 am, ime. But even if he passed someone, it's unlikely it registered with the person. The person could be already on his cell and never looked at him.

JMO

It is far more likely hotel security video captured it. The SW implies he put a rock in the door. They wouldn't have done that if there wasn't evidence of him leaving the next day.

[annalyzer]

Hi-C, did you read CW's sticky on the MY forum?

[Cardinal]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=345093


There's still time to delete posts.

[jerry50]

snipped... If he didn't kill her now is the time for him to stop this foolishness and call a news conference. If he checked out of the motel say at 7:00 AM then he couldn't have been in Raleigh when the paper man saw the car. Even if he has to give up the one that killed her ,now is the time.


Think about this: We now know from the SW that JY was more involved with MM than any of us JDI's ever imagined. They were in contact with each other for the past month or more hundreds of times by email, phone and text. MM and JY are so involved that she tells him that she is hoping that the baby she and her husband are trying for will actually be JY's.
How can JY expect anyone to believe that he printed off an ebay auction for a purse that he was going to surprise Michelle with for a belated annniversary gift. And not only that but he was so afraid that Michelle would accidentally see it and spoil the surprise that he called his sister in law to go to the house and remove it so that Michelle wouldn't see it. Why would he care about this when obviously he didn't care about bringing home an STD to the woman he vowed to love.
Did he tell MM that he was so worried about Michelle finding it? Did he tell Pat when he called her during one of those 28 calls that he was worried?

Another thing that will be interesting will be the records of when Michelle used the computer. A young pregnant woman with a large house, a toddler, a husband and a job at the level she had, how much time do you think that she spent at the computer in the morning? If the records show that the computer was never used in the mornings then why would JY worry about Michelle finding that paper.

[HI_CYCLE]

Hi-C, did you read CW's sticky on the MY forum?I have now anna.

[Samiya]

Hey Bud, long time no see :)

can you please repost the photo of Jason going towards the exit of the hotel in his dark sweater.

Me thinks me might run that through a couple of programs and see if he's carrying an equally dark shoulder bag.

I do so love the casual slip on shoes he's wearing. Am yet to find a pic of Orbitals to make comparisons with from the same angle and size.

Thanks.
Sami

[MerriMent]

Hey Bud, long time no see :)

can you please repost the photo of Jason going towards the exit of the hotel in his dark sweater.

Me thinks me might run that through a couple of programs and see if he's carrying an equally dark shoulder bag.

I do so love the casual slip on shoes he's wearing. Am yet to find a pic of Orbitals to make comparisons with from the same angle and size.

Thanks.
Sami

He's carrying something in both hands in front of him but it doesn't look large enough to be luggage.

[HI_CYCLE]

I apologize to CW and all posters for getting off topic. I have ask CW to delete my post.

[annalyzer]

It's hard to look at that photo and realize he's heading home to murder his pregnant wife.

[Cardinal]

He's carrying something in both hands in front of him but it doesn't look large enough to be luggage.

Forgive my manners - Welcome to the Michelle Young forum, MerriMent. There are posters here who are entirely committed to seeing justice for Michelle and Rylan Young, despite any differences of opinion on certain matters. I'm sure you'll discover that in time.

:seeya:

[Samiya]

He's carrying something in both hands in front of him but it doesn't look large enough to be luggage.

If you look at the shoulder strap in the one of Jason at the front desk (black strap over his right shoulder), that's what I'm looking for in the exit photo.

I don't think that was luggage.

I believe that that was his computer laptop bag.

ETA: I've already worked out that the shoes he is wearing are slip on, not joggers/runners. Leather or false leather.

Sami

[Cardinal]

Here is a closer shot with 'enhancement'

It looks like he has a water bottle , gloves and a 8.5 X 14 paper ....what ever the 'paper' is, he likely picked it up at the front desk 33 seconds earlier.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/alive695/hoteldark-1.jpg

Other than a newspaper (which that doesn't look like), what does a hotel have at the front desk?

[caffeinated]

Other than a newspaper (which that doesn't look like), what does a hotel have at the front desk?

maybe a local map? printed bill?

[Cardinal]

If there is any doubt Jason Young is not very bright, just look at this photo and you will be convinced. What a DA !!!

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/alive695/MYandMM.jpg

Everyone knows I refuse to bash. And I won't do it now.

I will, however, question his judgment. What in the devil was the man thinking?

[Cardinal]

maybe a local map? printed bill?

A bill isn't that large. A map, maybe. One of the SWs mentioned maps in his car, right?

[Cardinal]

Actually, I have a theory about Jason's...um...infatuation with Michelle Money. At the risk of gagging myself, her email references them being "...open and caring and loving and sharing with each other."

It's apparent from the SW that he and Michelle were having difficulties. My guess is that Michelle Young was disillusioned with Jason, and Michelle Money reinforced his image of himself.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Yes Card, you have to wonder why they would seize maps from his vehicle.....unless they thought one could have originated from the Hillsville Hi.

I did wonder why maps would be significant enough to be seized. My glove compartment is full of them. But even if one came from the hotel, I don't see the significance. Unless there were a route marked on it?

[jerry50]

If you look at the shoulder strap in the one of Jason at the front desk (black strap over his right shoulder), that's what I'm looking for in the exit photo.

I don't think that was luggage.

I believe that that was his computer laptop bag.

ETA: I've already worked out that the shoes he is wearing are slip on, not joggers/runners. Leather or false leather.

Sami


Sami,
Are you able to do anything with the 911 call to clarify what Cassidy is saying? TIA

[Cardinal]

I know for a fact the rock was moved during the night. I have stayed there. I was told that the outside doors are always being proped. Not just this night. He didn't have enough time to get from Raleigh change his clothes get his reciept . I always check out. Maybe some don't .

You stayed there, June? In Hillsville? And asked about the doors being propped open?

[MerriMent]

Jason is a ho dawg. He would never be faithful to anyone. I'm not sure old age would even curb his catting around. Who knows how many women came before MM. He was hitting on co-workers, writing old camp buddies that he was single, and he hooked up with the Atlanta gal while he was still yapping it up and saw MM.

I suspect MM had stronger feelings for JY than he did her. And I question if any man that can plot and carry out the murder of his wife and unborn son is capable of real love.

IMO

Many men compartmentalize their marriage like Jason Young did. They want sex but also stay married. John Edwards did it. My boss did it for years with a co-worker and everybody else knew it but his wife. She was very sick and nobody had the heart to tell her. I remain on the fence about whether Jason Young killed his wife. The killer could be one of his many lovers.

[jerry50]

That's what has me puzzled . If he left the motel there would be a video with him returning. It would have a time stamp on it. If LE had this I am sure he would have been arrested by now. I don't think he went back to Raleigh. If he did I would have to see more than I have seen to convince me he did. I think he is scum for treating his pregnant wife like he did ,but I still don't think he killed her. I think that is why LF added that wording in her LS .

I believe that the rock story is true because we have had it posted that someone from the hotel remarked about it. LE probably does have JY on video but they need to connect him to the carnage in the bedroom.

I was reading on a UK news website about a 60 year old murder that they are examining the DNA with today's technologies/ I think we are too used to watching CSI and the speed in which they get things done. It took these DNA technicians two months just to sort the stain out and then several weeks to get a partial DNA profile. This type of investigation could be repeated several times depending what they find.

[MerriMent]

I don't believe for one second that a woman beat Michelle to death. Unless Jason was boinking Chyna or his lover was a man.

Why do you say that? She was bludgeoned to death. It doesn't take much strength to hit somebody in the head with a hard object.

[Breakingnews]

Why do you say that? She was bludgeoned to death. It doesn't take much strength to hit somebody in the head with a hard object.

A woman would have to overpower her too and I don't see that happening unless she was a big, big, big bruiser. I don't believe a woman has the strength to do the damage that was done to Michelle, a struggling victim with a child in the home to protect.

[MerriMent]

A woman would have to overpower her too and I don't see that happening unless she was a big, big, big bruiser. I don't believe a woman has the strength to do the damage that was done to Michelle, a struggling victim with a child in the home to protect.

I think it's easier than you realize when one is swinging a weapon and the other isn't. If JY had an accessory, I think it was a female, not male.

[MerriMent]

OK, I don't.

What would the motive be for a man to be JY's accessory? A hired hit?

[MerriMent]

I am sitting here, trying to remember if I have ever, in my almost 60 years of life, swung a weapon at anyone.

I don't believe I have.

I do know that I am not very strong, physically, and that it would take a huge commitment for me to swing at someone with deadly force. I cannot begin to imagine what would induce me to do that. I would probably not be good for more than one blow; the horror at the damage, and the pain in my hands and arms would probably make me drop my weapon and collapse.

It seems so unlikely for a woman to do this.

I've never had a motive to swing a weapon either.
I still think it is unlikely a male would be an accessory to this murder.

[MerriMent]

Could you please tell me again why you think he had help? I took Linda's statement in the paperwork for the WDS to be just covering all her bases.


I don't know how anyone could not suspect a lover was involved after reading that warrant from the other day.

[MerriMent]

And you base this opinion on what fact ?
The size 10 shoes ? More likely male size than female.
Surely you are not thinking a female inflicted the deadly blows, fracturing her skull in 2 places :confused:

I base it on the search warrant that describes his womanizing. The other woman does sometimes kill.

[Barbara2]

Sure they would remove it when they come back. But if someone from the motel saw it first they would move it.

I've stayed in a lot of hotels and have never seen an outside door propped open. It's easier to use the keycard than it is to find a rock to stick in the door.

[MerriMent]

If you are referring to Ms Money, you are wrong.
She happened to be in Florida that night....that is fact.

Another mistress :confused:
Now that is quite possible now that you mention it. ;)

I'm not referring to Ms. Money. I'm wondering about coworker #2.

She didn't complain about sexual harassment at work, didn't tell police she thinks JY was involved AND she went to the funeral and was nosy about whether Jason sent flowers.

[MerriMent]

Sure they would remove it when they come back. But if someone from the motel saw it first they would move it.

Jason would have removed it also when he returned IF he had left the hotel and placed the rock to ensure he could get back in. Right?

[Jules2]

I'm not referring to Ms. Money. I'm wondering about coworker #2.

She didn't complain about sexual harassment at work, didn't tell police she thinks JY was involved AND she went to the funeral and was nosy about whether Jason sent flowers.



According to the SW, former co-worker #2 didn't have too many kind things to say about Jason's character. I also don't see where she was being "nosy" about whether or not Jason sent flowers. She was stating what she observed. I honestly don't see how that can be considered as being nosy.

[MerriMent]

According to the SW, former co-worker #2 didn't have too many kind things to say about Jason's character. I also don't see where she was being "nosy" about whether or not Jason sent flowers. She was stating what she observed. I honestly don't see how that can be considered as being nosy.

I'm talking about their conversations. Sounds like they had sex to me. Complaining to a co-worker about your's wifes boobs is beyond flirting. It's pickup talk or pillow talk, imo.

[MerriMent]

Jason likely returned to the hotel between 7:30 am and 8:00 am.

He originally planned to get back around by 6 am ...imo

The lava rock was discovered and removed by the staff before that time. ;)

Then he had to use his key card to get in and there would be a record of it.

[Barbara2]

Then he had to use his key card to get in and there would be a record of it.

Not if he went in when someone else was coming out.

[Jules2]

I'm talking about their conversations. Sounds like they had sex to me. Complaining to a co-worker about your's wifes boobs is beyond flirting. It's pickup talk or pillow talk, imo.

It's also quite possible that Jason talks crudely to all women. I doesn't necessarily mean they were sleeping together. If you're trying to suggest that co-worker #2 was involved in Michelle's murder, I just don't see it.


IMO

[jerry50]

I have always thought there was 2 killers. One a woman and one a man. There are brutal blows to Michelles head and there are light blows to her.

The lighter ones may be from his last blows after he had expended himself fracturing her skull and sending her teeth flying around the room.

[MerriMent]

Hampton front doors are wide open at that hour.

I was talking about if he wanted to re-enter through that exit door. Those wide open front doors are within view of the front desk and security cameras. A lot of activity that time of morning what with the breakfast spread, business people leaving, etc.

[jerry50]

Could you please tell me again why you think he had help? I took Linda's statement in the paperwork for the WDS to be just covering all her bases.

I was thinking that accessory before the fact might have meant that someone else knew that Michelle was going to be killed that night. With all the calls to MM it's kind of hard to think that MM didn't know about the murder.

Also with all the calls to MM is is sure hard to believe that he was going to Brevard to pick up baby furniture. I doubt if he would have cared, after reading the PC.

[MerriMent]

It's also quite possible that Jason talks crudely to all women. I doesn't necessarily mean they were sleeping together. If you're trying to suggest that co-worker #2 was involved in Michelle's murder, I just don't see it.


IMO

I see it. LE didn't throw all that stuff into the search warrant for the fun of it. Somebody had motive to kill Michelle and it is very possible it was one of the women Jason was sleeping with.
I've never worked with a man who spoke that crudely in the workplace. Most men are aware of sexual harassment policies.

[annalyzer]

I was thinking that accessory before the fact might have meant that someone else knew that Michelle was going to be killed that night. With all the calls to MM it's kind of hard to think that MM didn't know about the murder.

Also with all the calls to MM is is sure hard to believe that he was going to Brevard to pick up baby furniture. I doubt if he would have cared, after reading the PC.


SP made a lot of calls to his GF and she didn't know about the murder of his wife.

[jerzeegirl]

SP made a lot of calls to his GF and she didn't know about the murder of his wife.

but amber didnt even know sp was married and she wasnt lacys friend. But i honestly dont think money knew of the murder, i dont believe she would have continued to talk to jason if she did. I would even go so far as to say, she probably thinks he is innocent also. MOO

[jerzeegirl]

does anyone remember when Mr Money said that he and his wife were trying to work things out. I remember he gave a statement sort of like that to the press or something. Im wondering if that was before or after contact had ceased with mm and jy.

[MerriMent]

Guess you missed the other response about waiting for the side door to open ?

There may or may not be video of his return.
The cameras record on a 7 second time delay.

Wouldn't there be a video of this other person heading toward the exit and him on the other side of the door?

It's possible there hasn't been an arrest because no security camera recorded him leaving or returning and that's because he didn't leave. whatother explanation is there?

[annalyzer]

does anyone remember when Mr Money said that he and his wife were trying to work things out. I remember he gave a statement sort of like that to the press or something. Im wondering if that was before or after contact had ceased with mm and jy.

IIRC it was way before there contact ceased according to the latest sw.

[jerzeegirl]

I see it. LE didn't throw all that stuff into the search warrant for the fun of it. Somebody had motive to kill Michelle and it is very possible it was one of the women Jason was sleeping with.
I've never worked with a man who spoke that crudely in the workplace. Most men are aware of sexual harassment policies.


i dont believe anyone here thinks that it was put in for the fun of it. This is a murder case, LE is quite aware that they arent putting fun stuff in a sw. I believe those statements were included in the sw to show that JY wasnt a faithful loving husband and spoke to people so callusley (sp) about his wife.

[jerzeegirl]

IIRC it was way before there contact ceased according to the latest sw.


thanks annalyzer, so maybe MM was pulling an amber? Helping LE?

[MerriMent]

I was thinking that accessory before the fact might have meant that someone else knew that Michelle was going to be killed that night. With all the calls to MM it's kind of hard to think that MM didn't know about the murder.

Also with all the calls to MM is is sure hard to believe that he was going to Brevard to pick up baby furniture. I doubt if he would have cared, after reading the PC.

I read in the search warrant how he mostly talked about his little girl so I think he cared. There's nothing in there that implies he wasn't looking forward to his son. I've tried to think of a reason LE still are tracking his communication and the only one I can come up with is they hope he's communicated with one of these many women about the murder. Shared details. Something incriminating.

[annalyzer]

thanks annalyzer, so maybe MM was pulling an amber? Helping LE?

I don't know. I wouldn't think they would put all that in the sw if she was helping them but who knows?

[MerriMent]

thanks annalyzer, so maybe MM was pulling an amber? Helping LE?

I think that was exactly what MM was doing. It was only for 38 days.

[jerzeegirl]

Wouldn't there be a video of this other person heading toward the exit and him on the other side of the door?

It's possible there hasn't been an arrest because no security camera recorded him leaving or returning and that's because he didn't leave. whatother explanation is there?

i think you dont understand the fact that those videos dont capture every second of every hour of every day. We all know he left the hampton Inn right? I mean hes not still there, he left 2 years ago. Just because the video didnt capture the actual exiting of the building, doesnt mean he didnt leave, hes in brevard, not the hampton inn.

Im not being sarcastic with this post, just trying to explain that it doesnt capture everything.

[jerzeegirl]

I don't know. I wouldn't think they would put all that in the sw if she was helping them but who knows?


ahhh i think you are so right with that annalyzer, if the reason for the calls after the murder were because she was helping LE, i dont think LE would have used that in the sw because its not PC.

[MerriMent]

i dont believe anyone here thinks that it was put in for the fun of it. This is a murder case, LE is quite aware that they arent putting fun stuff in a sw. I believe those statements were included in the sw to show that JY wasnt a faithful loving husband and spoke to people so callusley (sp) about his wife.

They were female co-workers. Jason was hitting on them and possibly sleeping with them. It goes to motive.

[annalyzer]

They were female co-workers. Jason was hitting on them and possibly sleeping with them. It goes to motive.
Yeah, for him.

[MerriMent]

i think you dont understand the fact that those videos dont capture every second of every hour of every day. We all know he left the hampton Inn right? I mean hes not still there, he left 2 years ago. Just because the video didnt capture the actual exiting of the building, doesnt mean he didnt leave, hes in brevard, not the hampton inn.

Im not being sarcastic with this post, just trying to explain that it doesnt capture everything.

A security has to capture enough to make it worthwhile as a security device. I'm not being sarcastic but realistic. This was a hotel and it did have security features and police seized videos from the cameras. There would have been a photo of him headed in the opposite direction in that hallway if he had left the hotel through the exit and later returned.

[MerriMent]

Yeah, for him.

But also for them. Shawna Nelson executed her lover's wife. He wasn't in on it.

[annalyzer]

But also for them. Shawna Nelson executed her lover's wife. He wasn't in on it.


Sure, it happenss. But what was the husband's alibi during the time of the murder?

[MerriMent]

Sure, it happenss. But what was the husband's alibi during the time of the murder?

The husband of the killer or the victim?

[annalyzer]

The husband of the killer or the victim?


The victim. I'll go google. brb

[MerriMent]

The victim. I'll go google. brb

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24666623/page/6/

Ignacio Garraus: Oh yes. I loathe. And I got to hide it so my kid doesn't see how bad I loathe myself. Because a beautiful woman's dead for me having an affair, the chain of events that I had no way of foreseeing. But ultimately if I never had an affair, Heather would be alive. It's on me.

Shawna Nelson received a life sentence. Her former best friend, Michelle Moore, was sentenced to nine years for helping plan the murder. Both husbands have left law enforcement.

[MerriMent]

Are you serious ?

The fact is these 14 cameras record on a time lapse basis every 7 seconds on a multiplex analog system.
Looks like you have no idea what you are talking about.

Only fact I'm sure of right now is JY hasn't been arrested.

I also know every 7 seconds means the camera he was seen headed toward the exit would have also captured him headed down that hall in the opposite direction if he left the building and later returned through that door. It's common sense.

[MerriMent]

Not so fast Merriment.:D
If he had to return through the front door (best guess), the 7 second delay would easily miss the photo opportunity.

A jury won't believe he returned through the front door but the camera, front desk clerks, other people there having a bite to eat all missed it. The DA will have to do better than that to prove he ever left the hotel.

[annalyzer]

A jury won't believe he returned through the front door but the camera, front desk clerks, other people there having a bite to eat all missed it. The DA will have to do better than that to prove he ever left the hotel.
Why would any of those people notice him in the first place?

[MerriMent]

Why would any of those people notice him in the first place?

Because he was walking into the hotel, not out of it at that time of morning. Most clerks at a front desk look to see who comes in the door. It's highly improbable JY returned to the hotel after murdering his wife and walked into the front door without being detected by video or staff or guests. He hasn't been arrested and I think it's because they can't prove he ever left that hotel.

[MerriMent]

Ok, lets at least believe it is very possible the camera missed his return.
Are you saying the clerk and guests should be able to recall a below average looking 6', thin, dirty blond male entering the hotel at , say 7:45 am :shrug:

With that description you give, yes.

[englishgypsy]

I usually never post, just read and watch and search for new info. In fact the last time I posted was with the "court tv" message boards under a different name. All that said......... I have read most all of your posts, read the SW's, the news articles ect.

I find the most recent comments of JY on the most recent SW, worth commenting on. JY seems to believe based on his emails with his sister that this will just die down and go away and that people will forget about it. Well I haven't!! I live on the other side of the country, but I would recognize him and know him for the dirt bag he is!! This sad story has touched a cord in me, that has not allowed me personally to forget. I don't know why. I am not a person who posts on boards or follows crime, but for whatever reason I have followed this story fanatically for 2 years now. My husband thinks I am crazy for knowing and following it for so long. Nevertheless, I will continue.

I hope and pray for an arrest soon and I hope and pray that Cassidy will soon be with the Fisher Family where she belongs.

I will continue to follow this story, pray for a conclusion that puts JY behind bars for the rest of his life and hope that it happens soon.

It's not going to go away and people are not going to forget!!
englishgypsy

[Samiya]

Sami,
Are you able to do anything with the 911 call to clarify what Cassidy is saying? TIA

WCSO have files and information in regards to things I did with the 911 call.

Sorry, but that is not open for discussion.

Sami

[Cardinal]

WCSO have files and information in regards to things I did with the 911 call.

Sorry, but that is not open for discussion.

Sami

I certainly respect that, Sami, but I'll admit you've piqued my interest. I'm one who has never been able to hear "those words" from Cassidy on the 911 tape, no matter how many times I listen to it.



Welcome to the board, englishgypsy, and good morning, everyone.


Another day closer to justice for Michelle and Rylan. And God bless Cassidy. :rose:

[mulhollanddr]

There looks to be a mountain of CE building in this case. Personally I already had my mind made up when I heard he was having an affair, not co-operating, and after I listened to Samiya's enhanced tapes of the 911 call.

To further elaborate on that, he made no inquisition into how Michelle died, and whether Cassidy was safe. I think that was the biggest piece of evidence revealed in the new SW for mine, even bigger than his affair.

What I found most sickening, amongst other things was that he used the pregnancy/child thing as an excuse to have sex. Firstly he got into this position by getting her pregnant and getting married. Secondly when he got her pregnant again probably as a tool to get sex, she miscarriages after a suspecious accident. Then the third time, she gets pregnant again probably preaching to her about wanting kids to get sex, and then...

[JHP]

There looks to be a mountain of CE building in this case. Personally I already had my mind made up when I heard he was having an affair, not co-operating, and after I listened to Samiya's enhanced tapes of the 911 call.

To further elaborate on that, he made no inquisition into how Michelle died, and whether Cassidy was safe. I think that was the biggest piece of evidence revealed in the new SW for mine, even bigger than his affair.

What I found most sickening, amongst other things was that he used the pregnancy/child thing as an excuse to have sex. Firstly he got into this position by getting her pregnant and getting married. Secondly when he got her pregnant again probably as a tool to get sex, she miscarriages after a suspecious accident. Then the third time, she gets pregnant again probably preaching to her about wanting kids to get sex, and then...

Another thing that is suspicious is both the accident and the murder happened when she was both about half way through the pregnancy.

So maybe thats when Michelle became uncomfortable having sex. He wasn't going to be getting it anymore so Michelle became disposable.

I'm sorry Michelle for this comment. But just a thought.

JMO

[JHP]

Only fact I'm sure of right now is JY hasn't been arrested.

I also know every 7 seconds means the camera he was seen headed toward the exit would have also captured him headed down that hall in the opposite direction if he left the building and later returned through that door. It's common sense.

Your point also says to me that he did leave the building Because if he reached the exit and changed his mind, he would be captured going back to his room seconds after he looks like he was on a mission.

JMO

[jerzeegirl]

Everyone keeps talking about Cassie being with the Fishers. What happens to the stipulation that Heather raises Cassie? Is every body taking advantage of Michelle's death and none of her wished honored? Heatheer had nothing to do with the murder. She just happens to be Cassies Aunt.


ill have to agree with you june, if thats what michelle has in her will then so be it. As long as DCF and or a psychologist feels that heather would provide a positive and stable upbringing. I would think that those things could be worked out.

[Jules2]

About half way through a pregnancy is when most women's sex drive increases.


For some it increases and for others it decreases.

[Cardinal]

ill have to agree with you june, if thats what michelle has in her will then so be it. As long as DCF and or a psychologist feels that heather would provide a positive and stable upbringing. I would think that those things could be worked out.

If those were Michelle's wishes, then I also agree. I haven't seen Michelle's will, so I don't know if that's true.

Even if it is, is Cassidy living with Heather or with Mrs. Young?

[Cardinal]

Well June, Heather does not have Cassie right now, Jason and Pat do.
And yes, many of us are very worried for her safety.

Further, I'm sure the Fisher's are willing to talk about a 'joint custody' arrangement with Heather .

I'm not only worried about her safety, I'm worried about her emotional well-being. Mrs. Young must be half out of her mind with worry right now. My guess is that all of her focus and attention is on Jason. I don't see how Cassidy could be getting the attention and sense of security she needs right now - and it can only get worse.

JMO

[annalyzer]

I'm not only worried about her safety, I'm worried about her emotional well-being. Mrs. Young must be half out of her mind with worry right now. My guess is that all of her focus and attention is on Jason. I don't see how Cassidy could be getting the attention and sense of security she needs right now - and it can only get worse.

JMO

That poor child has been through more in the past two years than a lot have in a lifetime.

[Cardinal]

That poor child has been through more in the past two years than a lot have in a lifetime.

It breaks my heart, Anna. Losing her Mom, limited contact with her maternal family (and she's not going to understand or care about the adult dynamics responsible for it), 3 homes in 2 years........that poor, precious child.

:rose:

[annalyzer]

ill have to agree with you june, if thats what michelle has in her will then so be it. As long as DCF and or a psychologist feels that heather would provide a positive and stable upbringing. I would think that those things could be worked out.
I don't agree. When Michelle wrote her will she didn't account for her husband murdering her and her baby and leaving her toddler alone with her dead body for hours. Since Heather is Jason's sister and she hasn't had custody of the child for the past two years I think it would be best for the child to be placed in Linda's custody. Vistitation with the Young's as the court sees fit. But that's just my opinion.

[annalyzer]

It breaks my heart, Anna. Losing her Mom, limited contact with her maternal family (and she's not going to understand or care about the adult dynamics responsible for it), 3 homes in 2 years........that poor, precious child.

:rose:

Not only losing her mom but the horrific circumstances around it. I don't think she has forgotten the images from her last day at Birchleaf either.

[Cardinal]

Though I cringe when I even think about it, a sociopath when cornered could become desperate. I know it is chilling, but he could take his life along with Cassidy just to spite the Fisher's.
At this point, he needs to be watched every minute.

If I think about that, I won't be able to sleep at night. Linda Fisher must be terrified.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Ok...here is a possibility of how things happened at the hotel...

JY arrives, checks in, uses keycard to enter the room. He changes into the midnight footage attire and then gathers everything up and leaves his keycard in the room (like many people do instead of returning it to the front desk). He goes down the stairs and out the exit...places a rock there to leave it open so he could return back through and go to the front desk. He goes out to his vehicle and puts the garment bag/laptop bag -- whatever bag he was carrying back into his vehicle. Then, he comes back in through the propped door and walks to the front desk. There, he requests a receipt for his stay for business purposes. He never re-enters the room and doesn't kick the rock away upon leaving.

~snipped for focus~

Just throwing out some possibilities. You know, for discussion's sake.

And he changes into the suit at Birchleaf. That just might work, imo.

[Cardinal]

You have some good points to consider.

I still bank on his planned return to the room early Friday am.
The lava rock would hold the door open for his 5:30 am re-entry and he would walk up the back stairs to the room (room door shimmed and not locked).

1- very important to retrieve the receipt placed under the door
2- very important to retrieve the USA today placed outside his door
3- Very important to be seen downstairs with his luggage, reading the paper and eating breakfast around 6 or 6:30 am

This plan was busted when he arrived late and the rock was removed.
He went to the room, changed, grabbed his luggage, receipt and paper and rushed to Clintwood va, arriving 35 min late.

But:

1- If he got the receipt at the desk the night before, they wouldn't put one under the door. Do we know what time was on the receipt? And would the hotel be able to verify whether the card was left in the room, or, for that matter, ever returned at all? Don't they just deactivate the code at the check-out time?

2- I never remember to pick up the USA Today; I just step over it when I leave. I'm sure the housekeeper is accustomed to pitching them when they clean.

3- If he had gotten back in time, he could still have done breakfast. Lots of people use the nearest exit to load the car, then drive around and enter through the lobby for breakfast.

JMO

[jerry50]

Everyone keeps talking about Cassie being with the Fishers. What happens to the stipulation that Heather raises Cassie? Is every body taking advantage of Michelle's death and none of her wished honored? Heatheer had nothing to do with the murder. She just happens to be Cassies Aunt.

When Michelle made that decision the stipulation was in the event both her and JY were deceased and ther would nbot be such acrimony between the families. I don't think that Michelle ever envisoned Cassidy being kept from Linda and Meredith in the event she was no longer alive.

Also when my spouse and I made out our wills for the first time we wanted to put down an unmarried sister but the lawyer told us to pick a married sibling because it would be easier to have the child raised with a couple.
For all we know if Michelle had lived to the time Meredith got married she may have changed the designation.

From everything that has been said about Heather I believe she is a very nice and responsible person. However she had a baby recently and she and her husband are enjoying being a family. No matter how much she loves Cassidy it would be a real interruption in her life. Raising a child that has a murdered Mother and a father that is set to go to jail for the rest of his life takes an extrememly large amount of time and emotion.
There are no winners in this case. With JY's selfish act he changed the lives of his family and friends for the rest of their lives.

Also in the eyes of the court, the judge may want to limit the contact between Pat and Cassidy after all of the information is made public about keeping Cassidy from Linda and Meredith, not keeping Michelle fresh in Cassidy's mind, and the return of gifts. This would put Heather in an uncomfortable position.

[jerry50]

Does anyone know where JY is at the present?

Somewhere changing his underwear for the umpteenth time?

[Cardinal]

If it turns out the 'paper' in his hand is a receipt, that could be true.
Honestly, the 'paper' appears too long and wide to be a receipt from the Hampton Inn. I still think the rock blocking the door until the staff found it shows he planned to return very early am. If he just planned to take luggage out to the car and return to the desk, why not just walk back through the front ? Heck, he went right to the desk, so being 'sneaky' at that point is meaningless.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/alive695/photoenhanced-1.jpg


I agree, the paper in the photo is too large to be a receipt. But if it's a map, he could have picked up one at a convenient mart and not been seen in the lobby, dressed to leave. Maybe he got the receipt and whatever else he's holding.

And I hear what you're saying about just walking through the front door, but until this case, it never once occurred to me there were video cameras all over a hotel. Maybe it didn't occur to him either - maybe he thought that going to and from the lobby through the hall would cause the clerk to assume he went back to his room.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Another bit of info...the elevators are right in the middle of the hotel, right beside the front desk. He was on the 3rd floor, so using the far back stairs (at the end of the hall he was seen walking) is not logical


here is that side exit he used...note the landscape rocks.
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/alive695/westsidedoor.jpg

Do you know the location of his room on the 3rd floor, relative to the stairs and the elevator?

This side exit - how far is it from the lobby entrance? He would've had to enter through the lobby to check in. Did he park near the entrance and then move his car near the side exit (when and why), and if his car was parked near the side exit all along, why did he park so far from the entrance? Or if his car was still parked near the entrance, why didn't he just leave from the lobby?

Rhetorical questions, in part, but it will matter, I think.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Here is one of 14 video cameras....one on each floor directly aimed at the elevator doors.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/alive695/cameraonupperfloors.jpg

I would never have known that was a video camera, even if I looked up toward the ceiling. Which I probably wouldn't do.

[JHP]

For some it increases and for others it decreases.



Thank-you Jules. I just took a poll at lunch with 9 very close friends. 37 pregnancies in all.

only 1 said they even cared about having sex in the last half. A couple of husbands didn't want to. Most it was too difficult and they were just too tired.

Was an interesting church lunch conversation however;)

[jerzeegirl]

Thank-you Jules. I just took a poll at lunch with 9 very close friends. 37 pregnancies in all.

only 1 said they even cared about having sex in the last half. A couple of husbands didn't want to. Most it was too difficult and they were just too tired.

Was an interesting church lunch conversation however;)


:lol:

funny

[Cardinal]

I know the floor, but was unable to get the room #.

The exit he used is on the far right side.
I find it very odd he would park on that far side and use this exit, far from the elevators and front desk. There is also a rear entrace directly behind the front door he could have parked and used.....sounds like he wanted stelth by exiting the far side door and propping it with a rock for an early return.


Here is the front desk...note the obvious video camera

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/alive695/HLVVAHX_Hampton_Inn_Hillsville_home.jpg

That one I would see, and would expect to see, because of the financial transactions. It's the ones in the hallway I wouldn't have expected. And it wouldn't surprise me if Jason didn't expect them either. Not in Hillsville, VA.

JMO

[JHP]

Everyone keeps talking about Cassie being with the Fishers. What happens to the stipulation that Heather raises Cassie? Is every body taking advantage of Michelle's death and none of her wished honored? Heatheer had nothing to do with the murder. She just happens to be Cassies Aunt.


Was it mentioned to Michelle that she should be basing her decision on Jason possibly killing her?

Has anyone actually seen this in the will?

What did Heather do to keep up contact with the Fisher Family while Cassidy was living with her.

If Jason is arrested it will go to the courts to make that decision.

JMO

[annalyzer]

Another thing about the Clintwood 'meeting'.
It lasted a mere 25 minutes....now does it make sense to drive 10 hours(round trip) with a $100 hotel stay for a 25 minute meeting Friday (even 1 hour if not late) when you are expecting out of town guest for the homecoming weekend :confused:

Was it mandatory?

[gbmy]

<snipped>
He hasn't been arrested and I think it's because they can't prove he ever left that hotel.
I agree. Not having solid evidence that places him at the scene of the crime is a big problem. Now, if they had video showing him physically walking out of the hotel exit AND they did not have the size 10 vs. 12 shoe print dilemma, then this coupled with the ton of CE they have would probably put JY behind bars.

[gbmy]

Though I cringe when I even think about it, a sociopath when cornered could become desperate. I know it is chilling, but he could take his life along with Cassidy just to spite the Fisher's.
At this point, he needs to be watched every minute.
You raise a good point........I pray the authorities will heed it. A person who bludgeons another human to death simply can not be entrusted with the life of another. Add to that the element that the walls are closing in on you, and it gets kinda scary.

[annalyzer]

I am anxious to hear what the GA friend had to say about what Michelle told her/talked about that evening, how she was acting, etc. They have been very tight lipped when it comes to her. IMO

[jerry50]

I agree. Not having solid evidence that places him at the scene of the crime is a big problem. Now, if they had video showing him physically walking out of the hotel exit AND they did not have the size 10 vs. 12 shoe print dilemma, then this coupled with the ton of CE they have would probably put JY behind bars.

I have to believe that there is more video of JY at the hotel. Even if they didn't, I think a photo of him going down the hall towards the exit and not using his card key again shows opportunity.

I think that the 2 different size shoes is answered by the blisters on his feet. I think we all thought that he had a comfortable pair of shoes around the house in a smaller size and that is what he wore. Now to think that he deliberately wore a pair of smaller shoes to mislead LE is diabolical. If he went this far who knows if he didn't leave some foreign DNA also. He could have picked (no pun intended) a kleenix out of a wastebasket somewhere and "dropped" it at the scene.

[Cardinal]

His cocky arrogance since the murder tells me he thinks he outsmarted the cops and one day it will just be another cold case and all forgotten.
Well, we all know that is untrue. Even if he "planted' contradictory evidence like the size 10 shoes or possibly other DNA, the CE they have pointing to him can easily outweigh his plan to throw the investigation off. They can proceed even if the jury believes there was another person at the scene. They have more than enough to show he was likely there as well, imo.

Then in all sincerity, what are they waiting for? And please don't say an airtight case, because I don't think they'll ever get that. I think we've all seen people convicted on less CE than is in the PC in the SWs.

JMO

[Cardinal]

I honestly believe the cops wrote the very damning PC in the 11/08 warrant so there is a public outcry to the DA for his arrest.
The hold up is the DA, not WCSO or the SBI.

Remember when I said they don't use 'suspect' because it can be inflammatory and the public will push for a quick arrest ?
Well, this SW obviously says loud and clear Jason Lynn Young is the prime suspect and the cops are screaming to the public to demand an indictment by the DA....yes, this is only my opinion.

IMVHO, if Willoughby can't get a conviction in this case, then maybe Wake County should elect a new DA.

[Cardinal]

Card I think they can't prove Jason ever left the motel. Or that he ever left for any length of time. Proving someone is a cheat and didn't love his wife doesn't prove murder. I am curious as to what Jasom was talking about in his conversation with MM. Remember MF is there also. Do you thing Jason was trying to get Michelle to agree on a divorce? It was rumored early on that a divorce was in the works. Maybe Michelle was fighting it.

June, you know I've always thought a divorce was in the works. At this point though, I'm not sure who was driving it.

My interpretation of Jason's comments about it is that Michelle was very unhappy about some things. My opinion only, I think she was stressed by being the primary breadwinner, and maybe she sensed he was no longer committed to her.

But I don't see that either of them had to get the other to agree.

JMO

[JHP]

IMVHO, if Willoughby can't get a conviction in this case, then maybe Wake County should elect a new DA.

Cardinal, ITA I just don't get it. What could be the holdup? Connections? Is the DA related to this somehow?

JMO

[Cardinal]

Cardinal, ITA I just don't get it. What could be the holdup? Connections? Is the DA related to this somehow?

JMO

I don't believe so, and as far as I know, he's above reproach. I've never heard anything bad about him. I think he's just overly cautious. It took him forever with the Ann Miller case too.

[jerry50]

I am anxious to hear what the GA friend had to say about what Michelle told her/talked about that evening, how she was acting, etc. They have been very tight lipped when it comes to her. IMO

A looooooooooooooooong time ago someone posted with insider info that there was nothing unusual about that night. JY showed her the printout before he left.

[JHP]

Thank -you Cardinal and Bud Wiser,

I'm glad to know he's got a decent reputation. Looking at it from the outside it really looks like something's up. But as you say, maybe overly cautious.

JMO

[MerriMent]

Card I think they can't prove Jason ever left the motel. Or that he ever left for any length of time. Proving someone is a cheat and didn't love his wife doesn't prove murder. I am curious as to what Jasom was talking about in his conversation with MM. Remember MF is there also. Do you thing Jason was trying to get Michelle to agree on a divorce? It was rumored early on that a divorce was in the works. Maybe Michelle was fighting it.

I agree with you about LE not being able to prove Jason left the hotel. I think security videos prove he never left. If so, they can't arrest him until they have proof he hired somebody or arranged the murder. This case reminds me so much of the Shawna Nelson case, a Fatal Attraction type murder.

[Cardinal]

I agree with you about LE not being able to prove Jason left the hotel. I think security videos prove he never left. If so, they can't arrest him until they have proof he hired somebody or arranged the murder. This case reminds me so much of the Shawna Nelson case, a Fatal Attraction type murder.

Unless the hotel had a camera aimed at Jason's door from 11 pm to 8 am, I don't see how a video can "prove" he never left.

[MerriMent]

Fatal attraction ?
Quite the contrary, Jason was apparently not attracted to Michelle.
You have the motive all wrong.

All I can go by is what I read. He was complaining Michelle didn't like sex and he wanted more sex, not less. It's not all wrong to consider the possibility one of Jason's other sexual partners wanted Michelle out of the way. That's exactly what happened in the Shawna Nelson case. Her lover didn't want to end his marriage so she killed his wife.

[MerriMent]

Unless the hotel had a camera aimed at Jason's door from 11 pm to 8 am, I don't see how a video can "prove" he never left.

Security cameras cover exits/entry points to the building.

[Cardinal]

Oh it doesn't bother me in the least. I've said before I never meet Jason. I just like for the right person to be tried for Michelle's murder. A lot of people could have known about the affair Jason was having and the other problems we have heard about and decided this was a wonderful opportunity to off Michelle. If Jason never left that motel then he didn't kill her. I still am bothered by the fact that Jason's closet was searched and not Michelle's. I think he or she told someone about the 500 dollars. Jason isn't very high on my list right now ,but I just would like to be sure he wasn't set up for murder. It happens every day. If that happened then there would be no justice for Michelle. Michelle and her son deserve justice.

I'm not sure Jason's closet was "searched", June. It may have been in disarray (if it was) because he was scrambling around for clean clothes, shoes...or to find the "hidden" wallet.

And for all we know, Jason took the $500 himself. If he did this, and it sure looks like it, he'd have known he wouldn't be back in the house for a while, and he'd need the money.

JMO

[MerriMent]

Oh it doesn't bother me in the least. I've said before I never meet Jason. I just like for the right person to be tried for Michelle's murder. A lot of people could have known about the affair Jason was having and the other problems we have heard about and decided this was a wonderful opportunity to off Michelle. If Jason never left that motel then he didn't kill her. I still am bothered by the fact that Jason's closet was searched and not Michelle's. I think he or she told someone about the 500 dollars. Jason isn't very high on my list right now ,but I just would like to be sure he wasn't set up for murder. It happens every day. If that happened then there would be no justice for Michelle. Michelle and her son deserve justice.

ITA. If the primary problem in their marriage was her dislike of sex, and Michelle decided to seek therapy about it in order to save her marriage, that might have set-off one of Jason's other women. I am curious why Michelle disliked sex so much. What could have possibly been the root of that problem?

[Cardinal]

For the record, I'm willing to consider that a scorned woman or a hired killer murdered Michelle. But there's too much known at this point to rule out his involvement completely.

JMO

[Cardinal]

ITA. If the primary problem in their marriage was her dislike of sex, and Michelle decided to seek therapy about it in order to save her marriage, that might have set-off one of Jason's other women. I am curious why Michelle disliked sex so much. What could have possibly been the root of that problem?

Who said Michelle disliked sex? Maybe she just didn't like it with Jason any more.

[Cardinal]

And that is IF the money was ever in the closet to begin with...

That too. :)

I think your theory about Jason at the hotel is a strong one, btw.

[MerriMent]

I agree. LE knows if Jason was in that motel that night. I think all these Sw's are to flush out the person that did the murder. That is if Jason hired someone to do it. That person has to be getting real nervous now. May even try and contact Jason.

Again, I agree with you. If one of his other women did it, she'd be wanting to get back together with him. They do seem to be looking for communication since the murder.

[Cardinal]

Again, I agree with you. If one of his other women did it, she'd be wanting to get back together with him. They do seem to be looking for communication since the murder.

Then it would certainly be in Jason's best interests to identify that person, wouldn't it? For his sake, his mother's sake and MOST of all, for Cassidy's sake.

What's stopping him? Besides his belief that he can wait in his "insulated" world in Brevard for it all to go away?

[MerriMent]

Who said Michelle disliked sex? Maybe she just didn't like it with Jason any more.

Are you saying she enjoyed sex from someone other than her husband?

[MerriMent]

Quite frankly, her dislike of sex is hearsay. Jason told other people stuff, but perhaps it was just to gain sympathy or make himself feel better about his extra curriculars. We don't know.

Also, if it is true -- it is irrelevant to me. You don't murder someone because they don't put out. It is just that simple.

Jason told other people because he was sexually frustrated with his wife, according to the warrant. Michelle was seeing a therapist. That could well be the reason.

[Cardinal]

Are you saying she enjoyed sex from someone other than her husband?

What a pitiful interpretation. No, I am not saying that. I am saying that, perhaps, Michelle Young had reached the point in her marriage and/or her pregnancy where she no longer had any desire to be intimate with Jason.

[Cardinal]

Jason told other people because he was sexually frustrated with his wife, according to the warrant. Michelle was seeing a therapist. That could well be the reason.

Or she could have been seeing a therapist in preparation for a divorce. I find that more likely.

[MerriMent]

Then it would certainly be in Jason's best interests to identify that person, wouldn't it? For his sake, his mother's sake and MOST of all, for Cassidy's sake.

What's stopping him? Besides his belief that he can wait in his "insulated" world in Brevard for it all to go away?

Jason could point the finger at someone but there still needs to be evidence that someone is guilty of murder AND that Jason had nothing to do with it. That's what's stopping him from speaking, imo. How does he prove he had nothing to to with it?

[MerriMent]

What a pitiful interpretation. No, I am not saying that. I am saying that, perhaps, Michelle Young had reached the point in her marriage and/or her pregnancy where she no longer had any desire to be intimate with Jason.

And his frustration at that could be why he sought sex from others. It's not motive for murder.