Michelle Fisher Young - New SW Made Public

[Cardinal]

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/11/06/3914018/20081106190923866.pdf

May today's discussion be as respectful as Michelle deserves.

For Michelle and Rylan, may justice come soon. :rose:

[jerzeegirl]

morning cardinal, im absolutely amazed at this latest sw. I think this just goes to show how tight lipped LE has been for two years. I never fathomed this much evidence of an affair. Im so sad for michele and her family. I really hope michele didnt know but then again what does it matter, the worst is she knew who killed her.

[jerzeegirl]

Maybe we could ask CW to open Micheles forum today so we can at least dump these links in the links only thread? We have the SW and we have links for the WD. It would be helpful.

[jerzeegirl]

there sure is alot to discuss doorbell, im thinking about the 28 phone calls to his mom prior to his mom getting the call about micheles murder. Could he have called her, confessed. Maybe Jason going to brevard wasnt planned at all, maybe after his meeting he called her and confessed and then headed there for support. I know it sounds far fetched but god, murders never make sense.

[mysterybuff]

Maybe he could respond to posts with some respect instead of always being such a pompous a**.

I have to agree with you, annalyzer. It was not his/her position that bothered me. It was the arrogance displayed in the posts: ...cough....tick, tick, tick, etc. Today should be very interestiing to say the least.

[whitywendy]

Can anyone explain the "car accident" to me.

I thought the SW stated that there was a call from MF to JY that he did not take...maybe I read it wrong. The very first person he called that morning after 7am was MM. What about the 50 CALLS to MM the day before. I am willing to bet he turned off his cell phone or left in VA prior to returning the home in the middle of the night.

I am sad also. I did not want to believe that someone can be so brutal to the mother of his children, the woman he promised to cherish, love and protect.

I think the reason their are two sets of shoe prints is because he had to take the smaller pair off, he couldn't take the pain anymore. I wonder if he went back to check on Michelle after he cleaned up and that is where the other print came from. Or did he place his doped up daughter in the bed with her. hammerhammerhammer

[dkny]

Maybe JY was a cross dresser and MY discovered this hence the therapist w/experience in this subject. Maybe he dressed as a woman and that is why no sightings of him. On the other hand he would make a very large woman someone would most likely notice, unless he was trying to frame "a big girl". If JY crossed state lines during the commission of this crime that makes it a federal cap 1 case which would have stricter timellines once commenced, we know all the DNA is not back and it is complicated so that might be what is holding LE back until they have everything lined up they are not taking any chances. This will be a death case. JMO

[whitywendy]

Maybe JY was a cross dresser and MY discovered this hence the therapist w/experience in this subject. Maybe he dressed as a woman and that is why no sightings of him. On the other hand he would make a very large woman someone would most likely notice, unless he was trying to frame "a big girl". If JY crossed state lines during the commission of this crime that makes it a federal cap 1 case which would have stricter timellines once commenced, we know all the DNA is not back and it is complicated so that might be what is holding LE back until they have everything lined up they are not taking any chances. This will be a death case. JMO

My thoughts exactly.

Maybe Michelle was looking at gay bars. Allot of women like to go to gay bars to dance and not worry about getting hit on. WHO KNOWS. I don't think it is relevant to her murder.

[JD1974]

With all the arrogance displayed by so many, including most of the JII believers, you single out that poster to criticize.

People! We have real things to discuss. There are 15 pages of probable cause, some of it new info, some of it confirmation of what many of us have known all along.

We have put up with all sorts of attacks from all sorts of posters under all sorts of nicknames for stating just what the PC on this latest warrant states.

Attacking each other has always been detrimental to discussion.

Let's return to Justice for Michelle.


That person was the topic of the post that was responded to. First I have to say that once again this seems like a ton of info just none of it says he is a killer, bad husband, heck even sounds like he is a bad brother too. Kim sounds like a great person, Jason himself compliments Meredith in that email or im.

The only thing this shows to me is he cheated and he is a jerk. Where is the evidence that puts him at the scene?? Once again I have to ask, if all of this stuff is true WHY hasn't he had a trial? This is why a DA can indict a ham sandwich, they gather what they can and everything is spun a certain way, so after all this WHY has he not been arrested, I am so curious about this. Either A they found the answers they were looking for and it didn't match up or B they are lying on these SW's. I don't understand how it can be anyting else. Honestly ask yourself that question, if everything in these SW's are absolutely true, why is he walking around? The "he was only a danger to Michelle" isn't going to fly, what if he finds a new girlfriend or wife?

Oh and the ebay thing, I didn't understand that. Really, what are the odds that ALL the auctions he searched ended before he left? One other thing is I search ebay for ideas all the time, doesn't mean I buy it from there but if you are looking for something and want a picture of it ebay is the best place to look. I just can't read anything bad into THAT part of the SW.

[whitywendy]

I believe ebay and the printed pictures are signs of premed. murder. Capital offense.

[JD1974]

Maybe JY was a cross dresser and MY discovered this hence the therapist w/experience in this subject. Maybe he dressed as a woman and that is why no sightings of him. On the other hand he would make a very large woman someone would most likely notice, unless he was trying to frame "a big girl". If JY crossed state lines during the commission of this crime that makes it a federal cap 1 case which would have stricter timellines once commenced, we know all the DNA is not back and it is complicated so that might be what is holding LE back until they have everything lined up they are not taking any chances. This will be a death case. JMO


I was kind of thinking that the searches for gay nightclubs and such were for Rhett? Thank god no one in LE has ever had to look in my computer, they may charge me with killing the boy in the box and I wasn't born until almost 2 years after he was killed.

[dkny]

Whitywendy, MY and JY were in an accident in Brevard where JY drove off an enbankment while MY in the passenger seat had her seat belt undone reaching in the back seat she was pregnant around 4-5 months, I think @ the time and she lost the baby after that. It was ruled an accident @ the time. They have looked @ it again and I am not sure what to think after reading the sw yesterday. JY must have really jammed his big hoofs into those sneakers to have "blisters" 5 days later. JMO

[freejason]

The police are not trying to convince Team Jason of his guilt....they know his guilt. Just because he was GOOD at slaughtering MY - doesn't mean he will get away with it.

How many people do Google searches of "Head Trauma Knockout"...just shortly before their wife is murdered by head trauma. Man, that' some bad luck there, Guy. Then call their mother 28 times in a few hours before her body is discovered - and, only discovered because he calls the SIL to come over to the house to retrieve info from the printer that isn't even valid any longer.

There comes a point, when even Team Jason will have to take pause.

IMO, JY is a psychopath....and a dangerous one at that. I am worried about what he is capable of when he is backed in a corner...and, you can tell..........that time is coming. He may not want to face the music, and decide to take his mother and daughter out of the picture to avoid knowing the truth. It happens everyday.

I can understand shy LF is so worried about CY...she has a reason to be.

[jerzeegirl]

Yeahhhhhh, CW transported us to micheles forum :)
Thanks CW
ill go put up some links

[dkny]

ITA freejason, I am more worried about CY now than I have ever been, I never thought JY would hurt her since he left her alive but who really knows. They are applying alot of pressure on him all of a sudden releasing this warrant, They better protect CY. JMO

[dkny]

Hi Bud !! There is light at the end of the tunnel finally ! JMO

[JHP]

ITA freejason, I am more worried about CY now than I have ever been, I never thought JY would hurt her since he left her alive but who really knows. They are applying alot of pressure on him all of a sudden releasing this warrant, They better protect CY. JMO

I have always been concerned about why something more hasn't been done with Cassidy. When you read the report about PY receiving 28 calls just that morning you can't tell me she didn't have a clue as to what was going on when she heard Michelle had died. OMG People in NC need to do something NOW!!

When you read about the possible drugging of Cassidy I wonder if he really cared if she lived or not.

SICKbarf

JMO

[freejason]

With all the foreshadowing in this SW - I'm beginning to lean toward the DP.

And June........I respect your change of heart.

[Breakingnews]

What in world was Michelle Money doing staying in contact with him? Unless she was working with LE, she has some huge issues and the morals of an alley cat. I feel very sorry for her husband.

I can't drum up any sympathy for any of the Young family or friends after the 2 year long crusade to smear Linda and Meredith.

IMO

[jerzeegirl]

for all we know, emergency temp custody is in the works. We didnt know alot of this stuff, maybe things are being worked out about C. There is so many other documents that could shed light on all of this. Merediths statement, guests that were on their way to Jasons statement, GA friend statement. The whole printout of JY's phone records, etc.

[JHP]

He repped the drug, so he was probably very familiar with its side effects, warnings, etc. I think he cared, and I think he even knew when she would wake up, hence the call to Meredith shortly after noon.

I had always thought he would have called Meredith earlier, and she didn't check her messages until later on, or didn't sense any urgency in the call. If Jason knew Cass would sleep all morning, he could put his mind at rest about her until after his meeting in Virginia.

What we didn't read however if she was sleeping when Meredith found her on the bed.

I think it's pretty sad if he left her on the bed with her dead Mother on the floor.

Yes, I thought he would have called Meredith earlier. But really sad he didn't care enough to even ask about her well being.

JMO

[JHP]

I have to wonder if he's still drugging her. There's enough evidence that the question has been raised, although it can't be proven that it happened. It's possible that Jason is still drugging Cassidy to have a little free time. Given Pat's compliance regarding the murder (all those phone calls,alibi), it's possible Pat is going along with drugging Cassidy as well. I think Cassidy should be removed from that home until all this is sorted out.

ITA Look at Casey Anthony in Florida. Please don't let it happen to Cassidy.

JMO

[jerzeegirl]

i cannot feel sorry for Michele Money, even if a murder did NOT occur, no friend should be sleeping with another friends husband and wishing to have their baby.

Someone posted last night, jbob i think, that he didnt have intentions of leaving michele because he said in the email about "2 broken hearts" . Well he probably meant that micheles and mr moneys hearts were going to be broken. AND, he was doing inquiries on his work pc about divorce and selling his house. I think his original plan was leaving michele young, not michele money and i think his greed and definite mental issues pushed him to murder.

[JHP]

If Jason was innocent, he would have insisted that Cassidy be seen by a doctor immediately.

Exactly, And maybe even inquired what happened to his wife and baby.

It just makes me so mad:cuss:.

[jerzeegirl]

I get the impression that Kim wanted him to talk to the police to get rid of all the suspicion and discussion. She wanted him to be innocent, and wanted him to step up to the plate and clear the air.


i agree about kim, i definitely sensed that in her email to jason. I feel bad for her. She lives in the raleigh area and has to deal with the ramifications of his actions and non actions.

[JHP]

i cannot feel sorry for Michele Money, even if a murder did NOT occur, no friend should be sleeping with another friends husband and wishing to have their baby.

Someone posted last night, jbob i think, that he didnt have intentions of leaving michele because he said in the email about "2 broken hearts" . Well he probably meant that micheles and mr moneys hearts were going to be broken. AND, he was doing inquiries on his work pc about divorce and selling his house. I think his original plan was leaving michele young, not michele money and i think his greed and definite mental issues pushed him to murder.

This is just kind of funny but after reading employee #2's comment about the BOOB's. When I just read your post I thought you said
jboob. That one might want to change it's nic.

And ITA MM is icky too. Her poor husband. I'd be checking that baby's DNA if I were him.

JMO

[JHP]

I think it could just as easily have happened to Cassidy. Maybe it was just pure luck that Cassidy is still alive. Possibly Jason drugged Cassidy, maybe thinking he'd given her enough to kill her, placed her on the bed and left. Maybe he thought two bodies would be found in the morning. Maybe he didn't leave his daughter to traipse through her mother's blood, but meant to kill her too - just not as violently as he did with Michelle.

I hope Kim is reading and is thinking about maybe having Cassidy stay with her until this is over.

Somebody needs to get her away from Jason and Pat. Maybe her daycare is on top of it, because it seems like nobody else is.

[whitywendy]

What we didn't read however if she was sleeping when Meredith found her on the bed.

I think it's pretty sad if he left her on the bed with her dead Mother on the floor.

Yes, I thought he would have called Meredith earlier. But really sad he didn't care enough to even ask about her well being.

JMO

I thought about that too JPH. However then I remembered them stating her bloody footprints being all over the house. So unless she made those after MF arrived we have to assume she was in her room and upon waking went into her mothers room and crawled up on the bed.

This makes me sick, breaks my heart. I have a 2 1/ year old right now and I can't imagine him having to find me like that. He is smart enough to know what blood is and to know danger.

What kind of man would do that to his child and family. SOMETHING IS MAJOR WRONG HIM besides just being a mama's boy. OMG I hope he gets the DP also.

[Breakingnews]

I think it could just as easily have happened to Cassidy. Maybe it was just pure luck that Cassidy is still alive. Possibly Jason drugged Cassidy, maybe thinking he'd given her enough to kill her, placed her on the bed and left. Maybe he thought two bodies would be found in the morning. Maybe he didn't leave his daughter to traipse through her mother's blood, but meant to kill her too - just not as violently as he did with Michelle.

I hope Kim is reading and is thinking about maybe having Cassidy stay with her until this is over.

I can't discount that either since we know he didn't call Meredith till after noon. No frantic early morning rescue calls. When my child was a toddler I remember checking on her frequently when I had to give her medications.

IMO

[whitywendy]

I don't think he wanted to kill his daighter. Even in the SW they state that the spoke positive only of his daughter. He is a selfish man and that being, I believe he only wanted her in a deep sleep while the deed was being committed. I don't think he thought she was smart enough or old enough to be damaged from discovering her mother beaten to death. I agree with the other statement that he knew exactly how much to give her to keep her sedated for a certain amount of time.

[JHP]

I thought about that too JPH. However then I remembered them stating her bloody footprints being all over the house. So unless she made those after MF arrived we have to assume she was in her room and upon waking went into her mothers room and crawled up on the bed.

This makes me sick, breaks my heart. I have a 2 1/ year old right now and I can't imagine him having to find me like that. He is smart enough to know what blood is and to know danger.

What kind of man would do that to his child and family. SOMETHING IS MAJOR WRONG HIM besides just being a mama's boy. OMG I hope he gets the DP also.

It just breaks my heart too. Cassidy could have wandered in just after Michelle was killed. While J was cleaning up, hence the footprints. Maybe we'll find out.

You are right SOMETHING is wrong with him and NOT one of his family members is concerned?

Hug your sweet little boy alot. I have to go but I'll check back later.

[dkny]

I thought about that too JPH. However then I remembered them stating her bloody footprints being all over the house. So unless she made those after MF arrived we have to assume she was in her room and upon waking went into her mothers room and crawled up on the bed.

This makes me sick, breaks my heart. I have a 2 1/ year old right now and I can't imagine him having to find me like that. He is smart enough to know what blood is and to know danger.

What kind of man would do that to his child and family. SOMETHING IS MAJOR WRONG HIM besides just being a mama's boy. OMG I hope he gets the DP also.

She was most likely groggy and confused and scared and climbed into Daddy's side of the bed.. JMO

[Breakingnews]

More than hinky that he's emailing an old camp friend (the GA GF's sister?) on May 16 telling her he never married and less than 2 weeks later the car accident happens. I doubted for the longest time that it was intentional, but now I've changed my mind.

IMO

[Breakingnews]

She also spent time trying to help Michelle with bandaids, and bloody footprints were evident.

Thinking back to Michelle Money making a scrapbook for Cassidy. What was she thinking? That Cassidy and her soon to be born child would be half siblings, so she needed to put a photo album together for her child's half sibling?

No kidding. It's making me rethink the strawberry shortcake bedding purchases off ebay.

[whitywendy]

Maybe someone needs to bring it to the attention of Child Services that Cassidy may have been drugged by her father during her mother's murder, and should be a safer environment until this is resolved. They couldn't have known about this before now.

You know Harvey I agree. However they have to take into consideration the fact that she is only 4 years old and has only been with the Young family.

I do not believe he wanted to kill his daughter too. I believe he only wanted to rid himself of his wife. I believe he found out the exact amount to knock her out for a certain time frame. Which was why he called around the time he did.

I do want to talk about this more but I must get some work done. I will be back later.

I like this board. I have posted else where but I like the posters over here. Esp. the ones who were BIG ENOUGH to admit they were wrong. Says allot. Till later.:seeya:

[alter ego]

I believe ebay and the printed pictures are signs of premed. murder. Capital offense.
premeditation does not make it a capital offense.

[dkny]

I don't think he wanted to kill his daighter. Even in the SW they state that the spoke positive only of his daughter. He is a selfish man and that being, I believe he only wanted her in a deep sleep while the deed was being committed. I don't think he thought she was smart enough or old enough to be damaged from discovering her mother beaten to death. I agree with the other statement that he knew exactly how much to give her to keep her sedated for a certain amount of time.

ITA, it would be too obvious to leave the drug in her room and it would be in her (CY)system. MY obviously did not kill herself so it makes no sense. Maybe they are putting pressure on him to admit guilt it would make the whole thing alot easier for the families and CY. I am not sure of the specifics but if he pleads guilty I believe he can waive his right to a trial and go right to sentencing, I am not sure though. There is alot of pressure all of a sudden after 2 years. They have more on him than Scott Peterson ? It must be awaiting lab results and they do not want to take the chance with the statues. He will never see the LI $. The final sw maybe has something to do w/the Norvo computer ? JMO

[enigma™]

premeditation does not make it a capital offense.


True, but proof of premeditation goes a long way showing cause for seeking the death penalty.

:seeya: everyone, this is a whole lot of information to consume. Thanks to RPD for your tireless efforts.

Hang in there, Linda and Meredith, there will be

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN! :patriot:

[alter ego]

For once I've got to agree with Kat, why on earth is that little girl still living with Jason Young ? That is the hardest thing to understand in all of this. What the hell is wrong with Wake Co. Sheriff and Children Services ?Nothing.

What are they supposed to do, circumvent the law because LE has found dirt on the father and have not been able to clear him of suspicion in the murder of his wife?

[dkny]

She also spent time trying to help Michelle with bandaids, and bloody footprints were evident.

Thinking back to Michelle Money making a scrapbook for Cassidy. What was she thinking? That Cassidy and her soon to be born child would be half siblings, so she needed to put a photo album together for her child's half sibling?

Do we know if JY met MM through MY (ss sisters) or did they know each other b4 ? If they had a thing b4 MY found out she was pregnant it would explain some of the spite in MM's actions towards MY's family. To be married w/a child and do what MM did to MY it was spite or jealousy or maybe she was in on it. MM knew about the Coach bag gift too ? JMO

[summertime]

I have been following this case off and on for the last 2 yrs. I've been on the fence, leaning towards JDI, but this last SW release...just wow....Jason is worse than I thought. My pollyanna attitude wanted him to be innocent, but not in this case. Sad.

Summertime

[jerry50]

I think you can relax. They are all back just new nics. Some of us don't change our nics like we do underwear. Some people do.
Now about the SW. I guess I will need ketchup with my crow. I really thought Jason loved Michelle. The biggest revelation I have gotten from this SW is that he not only didn't love her he didn't even like her. I guess even with this compelling evidence there is still something that LE knows that is preventing an arrest. I am back on the road ,maybe when I find another computer things will be farther along.

The wait for forensic results is not a short process. When LE sends in swabs for DNA, look at how small they are. If a swab was sent from the DNA on the wall and it came back positive for JY's DNA I would think that that would lead to further testing to prove that it was left on the night of the murder. Outside of the fact that this case is not the only one being processed by forensic labs, the job that technicians are asked to do takes time. We all want the results to be 100% accurate and BARD.

[enigma™]

"Upon review of the investigation thus far, and due to his lack of cooperation, Jason Young's participation in his wife's murder cannot be ruled out."

What a nice way of not calling him a POI or suspect.

[jerry50]

ITA, it would be too obvious to leave the drug in her room and it would be in her (CY)system. MY obviously did not kill herself so it makes no sense. Maybe they are putting pressure on him to admit guilt it would make the whole thing alot easier for the families and CY. I am not sure of the specifics but if he pleads guilty I believe he can waive his right to a trial and go right to sentencing, I am not sure though. There is alot of pressure all of a sudden after 2 years. They have more on him than Scott Peterson ? It must be awaiting lab results and they do not want to take the chance with the statues. He will never see the LI $. The final sw maybe has something to do w/the Norvo computer ? JMO

The Green River Killer and the BTK killer both faced the DP. In order for them to plead guilty and get LWOP they had to stand before the judge and describe their crimes and how they were committed. I would think that the same would apply here.

[whitywendy]

Hi Wendy, hey I am not so sure what his intentions were for Cassidy. Any person, any age has a different chemistry when it comes to medications, one day a drug may barely affect them, another day the same dosage can be very strong. How could he be so sure what amount to give that little girl (2 years old), he's no doctor, and it wasn't a childs medication either. Very dangerous playing with her life like that, it makes me think he had less than honorable intentions for her too. This whole thing is so awful. One thing for sure, she should NOT be in his custody another minute.

Hey Vanessa - I think that he obtained the dosing advice from a DR or his training from work. My reasoning is this: My 2 year was very sick last year and the DR told me to give him a 6 and over med. He told me exactly the amount to give him since there wasn't directions on the med for someone his age. ALSO I was told to go by weight not age when it comes to dosage. I am SURE JY knew all of this from his job experience and connections.

Man I really got to get some work done but this whole thing is sucking me in. I remember the day she was discovered. The headlines here in NC... Young mother found murdered in home with 2 year old child's footprints all over the home..... :(

you would think I would be happier knowing what I knownow but it just makes me sadder...:(:(

[Breakingnews]

I wonder what the Sowerby's & LW are thinking right about now. Carol's business ends up being mentioned in the latest search warrant and possibly one of her emails, not to mention the big Montana skiing trip they probably hosted for Jason and his mother.

What a great guy Jason is...not. He certainly has the ability to fool good people.

IMO

[alter ego]

True, but proof of premeditation goes a long way showing cause for seeking the death penalty.

:seeya: everyone, this is a whole lot of information to consume. Thanks to RPD for your tireless efforts.

Hang in there, Linda and Meredith, there will be

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN! :patriot:

No, it does not.

Premed would make it 1st degree murder but not necessarily a capital case.

[whitywendy]

No, it does not.

Premed would make it 1st degree murder but not necessarily a capital case.

In North Carolina - 1st Degree murder is punishable by DEATH or Life in Prison WITHOUT PAROLE

[alter ego]

The Green River Killer and the BTK killer both faced the DP. In order for them to plead guilty and get LWOP they had to stand before the judge and describe their crimes and how they were committed. I would think that the same would apply here.

Yes, allocution is usually part of an accepted plea deal. BTK wanted to tell his tale, he was proud of himself barf

Only a jury can recommend a sentence of death...in NC if the Pros has filed a notice to seek the death penalty then the defendant pleas guilty, a jury must be impaneled to make a sentencing recommendation.

[alter ego]

In North Carolina - 1st Degree murder is punishable by DEATH or Life in Prison WITHOUT PAROLE

Yes, you are correct. My apologies.

[alter ego]

I wonder what the Sowerby's & LW are thinking right about now. Carol's business ends up being mentioned in the latest search warrant and possibly one of her emails, not to mention the big Montana skiing trip they probably hosted for Jason and his mother.

What a great guy Jason is...not. He certainly has the ability to fool good people.

IMO
Makes me wonder why this SW wasn't sealed.

[Kat4Eagles]

I get the impression that Kim wanted him to talk to the police to get rid of all the suspicion and discussion. She wanted him to be innocent, and wanted him to step up to the plate and clear the air.


That is exactly what I think.

I think Kim was trying to make him man up, and he wasn't having of it.

My heart goes out to Kim and all her efforts to save her brother.

I also think Jason is mixing up chat rooms with message boards, when Kim is trying to tell him of the opinions on the internet.

I don't know how I could have been so wrong, but, I was, and I can deal with any bashing I have coming.

I deserve it.

However, I had 3 choices to make last nite/am.

I could have disappeared, I could have used a new nic~name, or I could have showed up to get this thrown in my face.

Most of you have been gracious, I have not always been.

But, I can't defend or argue for Jason anymore, which does not mean I

am on your side now, it just means I needed more proof to get where

you were.

If it took me longer, than that's just me.

I wanted to give him every benefit of the doubt, and I did.

Now I have no chioce but to admit his guilt.

This wasn't as hard as I thought it would be last nite.
Kat

[jerzeegirl]

kudos to you kat, i always leaned towards jys guilt but i have to admit, this was alot to take in last night. There could even be more, we havent heard statements from friends, meredith (exactly everything she saw that afternoon), therapist notes, all the cell phone logs. There could be so much out there we dont know still.

[Kat4Eagles]

I too respect June's admission she was wrong. Even Kat did that last night.

However, I would like to see a heartfelt public apology to Linda and Meredith Fisher.
For 2 years these lovely ladies have been drug through the mud and vilified.

Thanks in advance to june, Kat, Hi_Cycle and Mimi.


:no:
I am only going to answer this once before I send this to CW.
You know that sometime last nite or this am, she sent you and me a PM
saying to ignore each other.

Completely,
Not a word to or about each other...........

So, what do you do?
You bring my name to the Board.
:no:

I am not interested in anything you have to say, never was, never will be.

Hope this helps.

Kat

[Breakingnews]

Makes me wonder why this SW wasn't sealed.

The judge basically told the DA recently that unless they had a darn good reason he wasn't going to keep sealing search warrants. This happened after the media took them to court over opening some of the Cooper warrants. Couldn't say if that's the real reason they didn't or if to apply some pressure on Jason.

"We seem to be seeing a proliferation of these kinds of orders lately," Stevens said. "But I'm concerned they're simply being sought for the mere convenience of the authorities. I'm sure it's always easier for them if nothing was public."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3306798/

[Kat4Eagles]

kudos to you kat, i always leaned towards jys guilt but i have to admit, this was alot to take in last night. There could even be more, we havent heard statements from friends, meredith (exactly everything she saw that afternoon), therapist notes, all the cell phone logs. There could be so much out there we dont know still.



Thank you, not sure I deserve it, but thank you.

However, you do know this means you won't have me to argue with anymore.

:biggrin:

Kat

[jerzeegirl]

Thank you, not sure I deserve it, but thank you.

However, you do know this means you won't have me to argue with anymore.

:biggrin:

Kat


well give us some thoughts on what you read last night. Would love to hear what you think about all these new tidbits.

[Kat4Eagles]

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/11/06/3914018/20081106190923866.pdf

May today's discussion be as respectful as Michelle deserves.

For Michelle and Rylan, may justice come soon. :rose:


Thank you, Card, for starting the thread, I can not think of a fairer poster to do so. :)

There is still a lot to sort out though.

Like apparently strangulation was not his first choice afterall.

And, why would he leave meds in C's room unless they were always there.?

I mean, there are still some things I am not buying, but it doesn't look good.

Which still leaves the answer of why there has been no arrest as the million dollar question.

:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

well give us some thoughts on what you read last night. Would love to hear what you think about all these new tidbits.


It was and still is way too much to take in.

I think the way he treated Kim in the emails and the fact that he and MM were still in contact after Michelle died, left me feeling like someone had beat me up, literally.

And, what about MM's husband?


It would have been easier to think a stranger broke in and killed Michelle during a robbery, than this.

I am leaning to the theory that although Jason may have thought of this before, something specifically happened that nite to trigger this attack.

And, when I think of Michelle, alone, scared and defenseless, begging for her life and her baby's there are no words in the world to express
the pain she must have endured,

Very sad ending.

How about you and everyone else?

What shocked you all the most?

I mean, I crashed and burned, you already were there.
Kat

[whitywendy]

Yes, you are correct. My apologies.

It is cool. You corrected me yesterday on the LI benef for NC which I didn't have time to come back and say because of the major news.:beer:

[Kat4Eagles]

I think the thing I will take away from this case, besides the fact that I am disappointed with myself for my judge of character, and for defending someone for so long who did not deserve it.

I wasn't even close.

But, what I learned is a saying I heard recently .

""Those who talk, don't know.

"Those who know, don't talk.""

So, someone out there who has been reading us, but never said a word, knew all the stuff and kept quiet.

To them , I give my complete respect.
You earned it.
It could not have been easy for you.


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

My question is for those who thought LF was just being greedy with the WD suit...do you still think that way?


Naturally, now, it makes more sense.

But, I still would have liked C's safety protected first.

And, after reading all this, I am even more confused as to why someone did not try to interfere sooner .

You know there are still a lot of things that do not make sense, and maybe never will.

Have a good weekend.

:seeya:

Kat

[whitywendy]

It was and still is way too much to take in.

I think the way he treated Kim in the emails and the fact that he and MM were still in contact after Michelle died, left me feeling like someone had beat me up, literally.

And, what about MM's husband?


It would have been easier to think a stranger broke in and killed Michelle during a robbery, than this.

I am leaning to the theory that although Jason may have thought of this before, something specifically happened that nite to trigger this attack.

And, when I think of Michelle, alone, scared and defenseless, begging for her life and her baby's there are no words in the world to express
the pain she must have endured,

Very sad ending.

How about you and everyone else?

What shocked you all the most?

I mean, I crashed and burned, you already were there.
Kat

Kat - Do you think she was awake when she was attacked? don't you think neighbors would of heard the fighting.

I was thinking about this last night. It seems to me that he waited until she was asleep and attacked her then. Hoping to knock her out completely so she could not see who was attacking her. I don't think something bad happened to trigger it. To me this was in the making for quite some time. He ALMOST planned it perfect.

What is your opinion about HOW MANY TIMES he called his mother everyday. It seems like they talked several times daily. Kinda strange for someone who lives 5 to 6 hours apart. I would love to compare how many times he called his wife as to his mother.

[Jules2]

:no:
I am only going to answer this once before I send this to CW.
You know that sometime last nite or this am, she sent you and me a PM
saying to ignore each other.

Completely,
Not a word to or about each other...........

So, what do you do?
You bring my name to the Board.
:no:

I am not interested in anything you have to say, never was, never will be.

Hope this helps.

Kat

I sure hope CW doesn't mind your discussing private PM's from her with the rest of us but since you did, I noticed you had no problem responding to Bud Wiser just now even though you were warned not to.

Hope this helps as well.

[Barbara2]

Kat - Do you think she was awake when she was attacked? don't you think neighbors would of heard the fighting.

I was thinking about this last night. It seems to me that he waited until she was asleep and attacked her then. Hoping to knock her out completely so she could not see who was attacking her. I don't think something bad happened to trigger it. To me this was in the making for quite some time. He ALMOST planned it perfect.

What is your opinion about HOW MANY TIMES he called his mother everyday. It seems like they talked several times daily. Kinda strange for someone who lives 5 to 6 hours apart. I would love to compare how many times he called his wife as to his mother.

From the SW, we were told that he called his wife twice; once to her office and once to her cell. (None to the home phone. I found that interesting as well.) But he had 28 calls with his mother (I don't think they indicated which ones were initiated by him.)

[lilismom]

From the SW, we were told that he called his wife twice; once to her office and once to her cell. (None to the home phone. I found that interesting as well.) But he had 28 calls with his mother (I don't think they indicated which ones were initiated by him.)

Afternoon everyone. Whatta day already.

Why would he call her at home - she wasn't supposed to be home right - keeping up the ruse that he wasn't involved. He looked for her alright, everywhere but where he left her. Sickening.

IMO,
Lilismom

[snowshuze]

<snip snip snip>
I am not interested in anything you have to say, never was, never will be.

Hope this helps.

Kat

Maybe you should have been interested. He's been more right on the money with information than anyone else posting.
Hope that helps.

[Barbara2]

Afternoon everyone. Whatta day already.

Why would he call her at home - she wasn't supposed to be home right - keeping up the ruse that he wasn't involved. He looked for her alright, everywhere but where he left her. Sickening.

IMO,
Lilismom

But when he called her work and didn't find her there, called her cell and got no answer, wouldn't it be logical for him to call the home number to see if she was there? I think he couldn't call the home number because he was concerned that someone else would answer or possibly that Cassidy would answer.

[sundrop]

After reading the SW I found several things interesting. The e-mails from Kim Young appeared to be out of context with Jason's emails - like just portions were just cut and pasted so the reader (or judge) would draw a certain inference.

Another thing I found odd was the statement from one of the so called female friends, that said Jason stated "she bribes me for sex" but then in the same breath said that Jason stated "I'm not getting any sex." So, let me get this right, a husband who wants sex from his wife and is not getting sex the wife has to 'bribe' him for sex.

If the events with the female co-woker at Sentric Medical happened, then she should have reported Jason to her boss and he should have been fired. Did this happen?

[whitywendy]

After reading the SW I found several things interesting. The e-mails from Kim Young appeared to be out of context with Jason's emails - like just portions were just cut and pasted so the reader (or judge) would draw a certain inference.

Another thing I found odd was the statement from one of the so called female friends, that said Jason stated "she bribes me for sex" but then in the same breath said that Jason stated "I'm not getting any sex." So, let me get this right, a husband who wants sex from his wife and is not getting sex the wife has to 'bribe' him for sex.

If the events with the female co-woker at Sentric Medical happened, then she should have reported Jason to her boss and he should have been fired. Did this happen?

The way I read it....the bribe for sex was..okay we can have sex as long as were are trying for another baby.

I think the events mentioned by the other co-workers happens allot more than reported. Most likely didn't want to get him fired or start a sexual harassment suit. IMO

[lilismom]

But when he called her work and didn't find her there, called her cell and got no answer, wouldn't it be logical for him to call the home number to see if she was there? I think he couldn't call the home number because he was concerned that someone else would answer or possibly that Cassidy would answer.

Right on. What then when she says "Hi Daddy, Mommy won't wake up". Rassum Frassum Cuss Cuss Cuss! I don't think he was worried that someone other than Cassidy would answer - who knew at this point? Who knew what was up around the time he was calling Michelle Young?

Calls to:

Jason Young to Michelle Money 7:49 a.m.
Jason Young to Michelle Young at work at 12:02
Jason Young to Meredith Fisher at 12:10
Jason Young to Michelle Young Cell at 12:17
Meredith Fisher to 911 1:25
Jason Young/Pat Young 28 calls to and/or from until 1:37
Linda Fisher to Jason Young 1:53:04
Linda Fisher to Jason Young 1:53:23
Jason Young to Michelle Money 2:05 p.m. for 27 minutes
Linda Fisher to Jason Young 2:51
Linda Fisher to Jason Young 2:52
3:30 - 4:00 arrival at Pat Young's Home

So he was on the phone with Michelle Money when Linda was trying to reach him to tell him that his wife was found murdered. Did he listen to her voicemail? He called Michelle twice without speaking to her and now Linda is calling him and he doesn't call her back? He doesn't wonder what she wants? Could have been an emergency with Cassidy for god sake!

So very sad.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Breakingnews]

Was it Dr. G thru other posters that proclaimed this was a homosexual frenzy murder? The posts are all gone and I don't remember who first floated that crazy story. It is interesting now that the computer searches for gay bars in NYC has been published.

MM states the sexual part of the relationship happened the weekend of 10-7. Jason was in Denver 10-9 according to the airline receipt for an earlier SW. So was the story about the hookup happening in Denver correct?

[Barbara2]

After reading the SW I found several things interesting. The e-mails from Kim Young appeared to be out of context with Jason's emails - like just portions were just cut and pasted so the reader (or judge) would draw a certain inference.

Another thing I found odd was the statement from one of the so called female friends, that said Jason stated "she bribes me for sex" but then in the same breath said that Jason stated "I'm not getting any sex." So, let me get this right, a husband who wants sex from his wife and is not getting sex the wife has to 'bribe' him for sex.

If the events with the female co-woker at Sentric Medical happened, then she should have reported Jason to her boss and he should have been fired. Did this happen?

I believe that the reference to the bribe meant that he was claiming that Michelle would ask him to do something and if he did, in return she would submit to him. That's the way I took it.

I didn't find the email segments to be out of context but I don't think they submitted the entire text either.

[lilismom]

How far away again was his meeting from his home?

Based on that, what time did he leave Birchleaf?

He was 35 minutes late to his meeting right? He didn't call ahead to the meeting folks to say "I'm lost, I'll be a little late". Its a wonder they held the meeting at all at that point. A half hour late with no call - wouldn't have gotten a meeting with my boss that day.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Barbara2]

Right on. What then when she says "Hi Daddy, Mommy won't wake up". Rassum Frassum Cuss Cuss Cuss! I don't think he was worried that someone other than Cassidy would answer - who knew at this point? Who knew what was up around the time he was calling Michelle Young?

<snipped>


He was in the great unknown at that point. He had no way of knowing if someone from work may have been worried when she didn't show up and went to the house. Maybe someone saw her car there and stopped by. Maybe Cassidy got out of the house or got someone's attention and they came into the house. He didn't know if someone was in the house or not.

[Breakingnews]

I don't believe anything he said about his sex life. The guy's a liar and manipulator. He also said in May 2006 he had never been married.

He does seem to have sex on the brain. Juggling different women and talking sex trash... Which doesn't jive in my mind with a guy that talks to his mom constantly and vacations all over the country with her too. Just weird.

IMO

[lilismom]

He was in the great unknown at that point. He had no way of knowing if someone from work may have been worried when she didn't show up and went to the house. Maybe someone saw her car there and stopped by. Maybe Cassidy got out of the house or got someone's attention and they came into the house. He didn't know if someone was in the house or not.


True. I wasn't even thinking about the fact that Cassidy could have gotten out. I have always thought that she never even went downstairs that day. Mommy probably said "you don't go downstairs until Mommy goes downstairs, ever". Poor baby, trying to wake up mommy and talking about her boo boos. Makes me ill.

IMO,
Lilismom

[sundrop]

Sounds like he wanted sex for his own pleasure 24-7
Michelle would give in occasionally with strings attached.
He did not like the controls she had on him.

No, he was not fired from Sentric.
Don't expect every woman that is sexually harassed to report it to their boss

I understand what you're saying bud wiser. But if you coupled her comments about the sexual remarks with no flowers at the funeral comment could indiate a bias.

Also, the SW didn't say if the search words were retireved from Jason's laptop or the desktop computer in the house. Clearly, there are others who have a 'connection' to NY more than Jason and who may have had access to the home computer.

[whitywendy]

Barbara - What I meant was I wonder how many times JY regularly called MY since they showed the detail between his mother and MM. It would be interesting to see how much they communicated the month prior to her murder. I am willing to bet they didn't call each other as much as he called his mother and gf.

So now....I have more respect for the Wake County SO. I was really starting to get pissy and wonder if they had some sort of "Man" thing going on. But all along they were "waiting". It sounds like once they found out about that Hushpuppy shoe print belonging to same shoe that JY purchased the ball got rolling on everything else. I wonder if he knew that they were watching him for the past two years.

[lilismom]

Barbara - What I meant was I wonder how many times JY regularly called MY since they showed the detail between his mother and MM. It would be interesting to see how much they communicated the month prior to her murder. I am willing to bet they didn't call each other as much as he called his mother and gf.

So now....I have more respect for the Wake County SO. I was really starting to get pissy and wonder if they had some sort of "Man" thing going on. But all along they were "waiting". It sounds like once they found out about that Hushpuppy shoe print belonging to same shoe that JY purchased the ball got rolling on everything else. I wonder if he knew that they were watching him for the past two years.


From the tone of the clips of his email responses to Kim, yes, he knew and he knows that he's the one and only suspect. Now he also knows that it is only a matter of time before they come for him. Hopefully a short time too.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Barbara2]

From the tone of the clips of his email responses to Kim, yes, he knew and he knows that he's the one and only suspect. Now he also knows that it is only a matter of time before they come for him. Hopefully a short time too.

IMO,
Lilismom

I was expecting an arrest shortly after the Valentine's Day warrants were released. I couldn't believe he wasn't arrested by March. So I'm not going to hold my breath. I don't know what they are waiting for but they must feel they need something else to get the conviction.

[lilismom]

Hi Kat. Kat 2 things are bothering me.
1. What does LE know and they have to know something or Jason would be under arrest? There's something somewhere that points somewhere else.
2.Why would the DA keep one SW sealed till Dec. but release this one?
I would love to have answers to these 2 questions.

I would also like to say to whoever it was that wanted me to apologise to The Fishers. This murder isn't the reason I feel the way I do about the Fisher women. So there won't be any apology from me.

You don't have to apologize, but you should take your unrelated beef with the Fisher women elsewhere.

This board is dedicated to the murder of Michelle Young. And now that we finally know for sure (most of us anyway) that the focus of LE's investigation is NOT the Fisher women, all bashing of them should cease from here on out. In my opinion, of course.

Seems to me that this investigation didn't get into full swing until the HP's were identified. When was that? January 2008? They appear to be on a roll now....

IMO,
Lilismom

[alter ego]

I was expecting an arrest shortly after the Valentine's Day warrants were released. I couldn't believe he wasn't arrested by March. So I'm not going to hold my breath. I don't know what they are waiting for but they must feel they need something else to get the conviction.
Nothing places him in the bedroom at the time Michelle was being murdered.

Yet.

[Barbara2]

The dark posterior livor, two different shoe prints, light-colored SUV, and that his mother had him put on a tan sweater similar to the one seen at 11:59, all point to someone else, June. There is nothing in that search warrant that is evidence Jason murdered Michelle or wanted her dead. In fact, if it's true that he researched divorce, that's an option that doesn't require murder.

The tan sweater was seen when he checked in prior to 11 p.m. The dark colored sweater was the one seen at 11:59. It's the dark sweater that is missing. IMO

[alter ego]

The only reason I can think of is there is nothing in it that is evidence JY himself murdered his wife. The purpose of the search warrant seems to be to find out if he communicated with another woman who wanted Michelle out of the way.

There is still the matter of posterior dark livor mortis on a body found face down on the floor, bloody footprints in the bathroom but not down the hallway, two different shoeprints and a light-colored SUV seen by a witness.
There's enough reasonal doubt that Jason murdered Michelle for a defense atty to drive a truck thru.

I sure would like to know where the size 10 Franklin shoes came from and who was wearing them as they walked across the deck as it was being stained.

[Barbara2]

The photo I saw stamped 11:59 the sweater is light colored.


The one everyone else saw the sweater is dark, no possibility of being tan.

[Breakingnews]

Looks fairly light-colored to me.

Don't know why you need to misrepresent it.


The affidavits stated that video shows Jason Young in the lobby of the hotel between 10:49 p.m. and 10:51 p.m. on Nov. 2, 2006, wearing a light-colored, long-sleeved shirt with buttons at the neck. He is visible again on video recorded at 11:59 p.m. wearing a dark, long-sleeved shirt with a light-colored horizontal stripe

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3365337/

[Barbara2]

Looks fairly light-colored to me.

Don't know why you need to misrepresent it.

That's not what the search warrant states. Since the investigators have access to the actual video, I'll take their word for it over yours.

[alter ego]

Nobody. The search warrant said the Franklin print was "similar" to a print found on the deck.
Aw, then it will be interesting to see if they can place a size 10 Franklin shoe in the possession of the Youngs.

To go along with their floated theory in the SW that Jason squeezed his feet into small shoes for such an extended period of time that he had blister like irritations on his feet 5 days later.

[Barbara2]

I get bashed every time I say this. They want to go by the color of the sweater in the hallway photo. Look at Jason's hair in that one . It's black. I say the sweater is a tan sweater ,also.

I want to go by the color of the sweater as stated in the warrant. Those who wrote the warrant saw the actual video. They would be able to tell what color the sweater was better than we could from a grainy, reproduced photo. IMO

[lilismom]

Linda Fisher lived in NY, Cassidy lived in Raleigh. Why would Linda Fisher call Jason about an emergency with Cassidy? That doesn't make sense.

She is CY's grandmother. Michelle could have called her to say something was wrong with CY and "can you call Jason, I'm running to __". No? Ok. Whatev.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Barbara2]

It was black & white photo and I saw it. The shirt was light-colored.

You saw a reproduction of the photo. You didn't see the actual photo. The shirt is dark.

[Breakingnews]

I guess Jason was too busy on the 2nd phoning & texting MM (50 times) to make the drive all the way to Clintwood.

[Breakingnews]

The actual color was not stated in the warrant. I saw the photo myself, it's black and white and the reflection of light on his left side indicates it is not a dark color.

Does he have on tan pants too? The shirt is darker than pants.

[Breakingnews]

LE weren't looking for those pants in the February search warrants. Only looking for a pullover sweater and shazaam! he put on a tan-colored sweater for the trip back to Raleigh.

They were looking for a dark colored long sleeve shirt with a light colored stripe. That's what I see him wearing in the stills. Not a tan sweater. The shirt in the still is darker than the pants he is wearing, which look like blue jeans to me.

[annalyzer]

I have always been concerned about why something more hasn't been done with Cassidy. When you read the report about PY receiving 28 calls just that morning you can't tell me she didn't have a clue as to what was going on when she heard Michelle had died. OMG People in NC need to do something NOW!!

When you read about the possible drugging of Cassidy I wonder if he really cared if she lived or not.

SICKbarf

JMO

I have always said that if Jason murdered Michelle and left that baby alone with her dead body then he shouldn't have custody of her. But no, numerous people objected and said that he would never hurt his daughter, that she was safe. How long has this possible drugging incident been known to LE and the Fishers I wonder?

[Breakingnews]

Apparently it's important to some who have insisted that sweater in the photo is still missing. It's not missing and apparently the pants he was wearing in the photo were never missing.

LE was still searching for the dark colored long sleeve shirt with a light stripe on 2-14-08. So apparently they think it's missing.

[annalyzer]

What we didn't read however if she was sleeping when Meredith found her on the bed.

I think it's pretty sad if he left her on the bed with her dead Mother on the floor.

Yes, I thought he would have called Meredith earlier. But really sad he didn't care enough to even ask about her well being.

JMO


She didn't sound like a toddler that had just awoke during that 911 call.

[annalyzer]

for all we know, emergency temp custody is in the works. We didnt know alot of this stuff, maybe things are being worked out about C. There is so many other documents that could shed light on all of this. Merediths statement, guests that were on their way to Jasons statement, GA friend statement. The whole printout of JY's phone records, etc.


I wish they would release those statements and phone records like they already have in the Casey Anthony case.

[Breakingnews]

It's been known by LE since they found the drugs on the shelf in CY's room. More than two years and not a single move to place the child in protective custody. That said, nowhere in that search warrant does it imply Jason or Michelle gave CY the drug or were the ones who placed it on the shelf in her room. All they pointed out was that the drug was already in the home, it wasn't brought in from somewhere else.

And they pointed out that Jason was aware of the effects of drug and how to use it.

[jerzeegirl]

No, he didn't change shirts. The photo you posted was taken in a dark hallway and his hair is as dark as his sweater. Are you insinuating Jason dyed his hair in those 33 seconds? :lol:


most people are going to believe what LE said because they saw the actual video. The pictures you are seeing are black and white copies in a sw. Big difference. I dont believe LE is going to state in a sw that the shirt is dark when in reality it is tan, why? why would they lie. Its silly arguing over it. Just like the arguements over whether or not JY was having an affair with michele money. Most people understood LE's wording during their press conference, but it was still argued over and over and over.

[whitywendy]

okay it seems as if JBob wants to argue over something that is at the bottom of the load of EVIDENCE against JY.

I agree with June ..lets change the subject.

So in regards the accident that Patrick was telling me about..I think it was Patrick, anyhow, did they wreck the vehicle? Did JY or Cassidy get hurt? Was Michelle taken to the hospital? I noticed the accident was mentioned breifly in the SW.

[jerzeegirl]

okay it seems as if JBob wants to argue over something that is at the bottom of the load of EVIDENCE against JY.

I agree with June ..lets change the subject.

So in regards the accident that Patrick was telling me about..I think it was Patrick, anyhow, did they wreck the vehicle? Did JY or Cassidy get hurt? Was Michelle taken to the hospital? I noticed the accident was mentioned breifly in the SW.

i believe the accident was only mentioned because the person LE was interviewing couldnt give an exact date of when they had the conversation with JY so the accident was used as a time frame. Thats what i got out of it. Nothing sinister.

[whitywendy]

i believe the accident was only mentioned because the person LE was interviewing couldnt give an exact date of when they had the conversation with JY so the accident was used as a time frame. Thats what i got out of it. Nothing sinister.

Okay thanks!

[jerzeegirl]

I totally agree with you bud about the accident, it doesnt look good, especially cuz she miscarried weeks after. But i was talking about the mention of it in the sw, i think it was only used there to determine timing of a conversation the friend had with jason. Thats what i meant. I dont think that LE is going to use the accident at all if this goes to trial, i believe although it looks bad, LE has deemed that accident an accident twice. Doesnt mean that it wasnt an attempt on her life though.

[Breakingnews]

okay it seems as if JBob wants to argue over something that is at the bottom of the load of EVIDENCE against JY.

I agree with June ..lets change the subject.

So in regards the accident that Patrick was telling me about..I think it was Patrick, anyhow, did they wreck the vehicle? Did JY or Cassidy get hurt? Was Michelle taken to the hospital? I noticed the accident was mentioned breifly in the SW.

I can't recall all the details now but LE look into this accident again immediately after her death. It happened May 28? 2006 and Michelle ended up losing her baby afterwards. Jason drove the car off the side of the road down into a river. Not sure if this is fact- he asked her to check in the backseat for something, so she was unbuckled at the time the wreck happened.

I chalked up to being just a strange accident for a long time. But after reading this latest SW, I'm not so sure.

[jerzeegirl]

Tan is a color. The images are in black and white. I think that's the reason they didn't state the actual color, don't you? They had to ask several friends of Jason to confirm it was him so the image quality isn't all that great, is it? I'm just going by what I can see with my own eyes.

LE now knows Pat Young had Jason put on a sweater to wear back to Raleigh and they included mention of it in this search warrant. They did NOT include the wording about removing luggage or changing clothes that was in the 2/14 warrant that asked for permission to search for the shirt. The only posters I see arguing about it are those of you who desperately cling to the belief the shirt is missing.

this sw yesterday had nothing to do with clothing, thats why it wasnt mentioned in this sw. The wording of the sw has to apply to what they are seeking in the sw. Notice they mentioned emails, websites, affair in which the two parties communicated through emails and phone calls. LE saw the original video, most would believe LE.

[JHP]

I have always said that if Jason murdered Michelle and left that baby alone with her dead body then he shouldn't have custody of her. But no, numerous people objected and said that he would never hurt his daughter, that she was safe. How long has this possible drugging incident been known to LE and the Fishers I wonder?

annalyzer, I have always wondered why CPS was not involved. In my city (states away from Raleigh.) CPS would have been brought in simply because a 2 year old was left for a time, by themselves, where a crime had been committed. SOP I've been told.
Add that with an uncooperative Father/Spouse who might not have had to spoken to LE, but would have needed to speak to CPS about his daughter.
So perhaps they have been involved from the start and because of privacy we don't know.

However I think under these circumstances. Custody should be revisited.
I think Linda Fisher has been kept up to date with the investigation. But this was probably the first she's seen it in print. I'm sure she's horrifyed by having this laid out for her. But I think theres lots more we haven't seen.

I would imagine NC CPS got a few calls today, they are probably not the only ones. The DA was probably contacted also.

JMO

[jerzeegirl]

One thing we do know, though. He married Michelle twice and, by all accounts, he does love his little girl and being her dad. I think there are pretty compelling statistics that show where men have murdered their pregnant wives or girlfriends, it's usually because they don't want fatherhood at all.

We don't know when Jason told the friend he only married Michelle because she was pregnant. If she was pregnant, their sex life must have been okay at that point. Comments he made several years later to justify his affairs don't mean he never loved Michelle.


Men who love their wives üsually" do not profess their love to their wives friends. And tell female co-workers that their wife doesnt like to have sex or has problems with sex. HOW FREAKIN HUMILIATING!!!!!!!!!!!! Micheles family must have read this sw and balled their eyes out. He is mean, heartless, disgusting and just might be a murderer.

[jerry50]

I disagree.
I think it was to show he wanted out of the marriage before the car wreck.....imo, the first attempt on her life.
$2,000,000 accidental death would be paid from the insurance purchased a mere 3 1/2 months earlier


I agree. There is more information about the car accident that may have been mentioned as PC on the sealed warrant, I think. It is definately in the warrant because LE believes that the accident was an attempt on her life.

Bud, do you know if the judge that signed this warrant is also the judge that reviewed the notes from the therapist? TIA

[jerry50]

I have always said that if Jason murdered Michelle and left that baby alone with her dead body then he shouldn't have custody of her. But no, numerous people objected and said that he would never hurt his daughter, that she was safe. How long has this possible drugging incident been known to LE and the Fishers I wonder?

Unless they took a blood or urine test from Cassidy that day they can only speculate that he gave Cassidy the drugs. They don't have physical evidence to take into the courtroom unfortunately.

[alter ego]

Try investigating the possibility that Jason Young has drugged Cassidy Young first of all. That should take precedence over everything.
They have no legal grounds to make any such inquiry, and the mere possibility that he could have is not sufficient grounds to have her removed from his care.

[Jules2]

Tan is a color. The images are in black and white. I think that's the reason they didn't state the actual color, don't you? They had to ask several friends of Jason to confirm it was him so the image quality isn't all that great, is it? I'm just going by what I can see with my own eyes.

LE now knows Pat Young had Jason put on a sweater to wear back to Raleigh and they included mention of it in this search warrant. They did NOT include the wording about removing luggage or changing clothes that was in the 2/14 warrant that asked for permission to search for the shirt. The only posters I see arguing about it are those of you who desperately cling to the belief the shirt is missing.


I've got all the photos saved to my computer and in the photo time stamped 23:59:07 Jason is at the front desk and he appears to be wearing a tan colored SHIRT not sweater. One of those long sleeved knit shirts with about 3 buttons from about about mid-chest to neck line. It also appears to have a stripe going across the center of it.


The photo taken of Jason walking down the hall time stamped at 23:59:40 clearly shows he is wearing a dark sweater with a high collar. The collar comes up to just under his ears.
You know the type. Fleece zip-up...can be worn as a jacket in cooler weather. When zooming in on the photo I can see a shirt with a strip worn UNDER this dark sweater but this shirt appears to be darker than the one he is seen in at the front desk.

The SW states that Mrs Young gave Jason a tan sweater to wear. IMO this is NOT the tan-ish light colored shirt he was seen wearing at the front desk.

So, no....the mystery of the missing shirt has not been solved.


Where is the dark high colored sweater/jacket at?

And where is the beige/tan/light colored shirt with a stripe at?

[jerry50]

I totally agree with you bud about the accident, it doesnt look good, especially cuz she miscarried weeks after. But i was talking about the mention of it in the sw, i think it was only used there to determine timing of a conversation the friend had with jason. Thats what i meant. I dont think that LE is going to use the accident at all if this goes to trial, i believe although it looks bad, LE has deemed that accident an accident twice. Doesnt mean that it wasnt an attempt on her life though.

It has not been deemed an accident twice. The responding officer marked it as an accident because at that time there was nothing to suspect otherwise. Michelle was alive and she may not have thought about it clearly till later on. The accident was looked at again after Michelle was murdered and the results of that investigation have not been made public.

I wonder if we will hear about the lake incident.

Poor Michelle. :rose:

[whitywendy]

Why would LE "revisit" custody now when they've known about this from day one and didn't call in CPS then? It would be impossible for Jason to know the exact dosage of an adult drug that would quiet the child the exact length of time it took for Meredith to get there and yet have her bubbly and talkative on the 911 call.

I beg to differ. My sister worked for a DR. I was friends with this DR. When my child was very sick he told me to give him a med that was not prescribed for a 2 year old. He told me the weights/measurements and to go by that. AND JY rep's this med. He knew EVERYTHING about it including dosing. Who do you think tells the DR.

[whitywendy]

It has not been deemed an accident twice. The responding officer marked it as an accident because at that time there was nothing to suspect otherwise. Michelle was alive and she may not have thought about it clearly till later on. The accident was looked at again after Michelle was murdered and the results of that investigation have not been made public.

I wonder if we will hear about the lake incident.

Poor Michelle. :rose:


WOW what lake incident?

[jerzeegirl]

It has not been deemed an accident twice. The responding officer marked it as an accident because at that time there was nothing to suspect otherwise. Michelle was alive and she may not have thought about it clearly till later on. The accident was looked at again after Michelle was murdered and the results of that investigation have not been made public.

I wonder if we will hear about the lake incident.

Poor Michelle. :rose:

i believe the accident was deemed an accident again after michele died. The officer on scene at the accident reopened the investigation after michele was murdered and i recall (although ive been wrong many gazillion times) he closed it as being an accident again.

[whitywendy]

I don't know any doctor who would advise giving a child medicine prescribed for someone else, especially to a 2.5 year old child.

It was an adult drug. Jason wouldn't know correct dosing for a child. Jason isn't a doctor nor is there any evidence he consulted with a doctor about the correct dosage in order to drug his child so that he could render her asleep but not kill her.

I have freinds that are drug reps and YES they do know. You CAN NOT MARKET a drug without providing all the needed details.. You know dosing etc. Please JY seems pretty smart to me.

AND the DR is my family DR who know me and so on. Has dr'd my children from the moment they entered the world. ALLOT of med's are not marketed for children under two. HOWEVER you can correctly give them med's as long as you are informed by the DR the correct dosing which is based on weight not age. I am not going to argue with you over this because I know what I know.

[alter ego]

i believe the accident was deemed an accident again after michele died. The officer on scene at the accident reopened the investigation after michele was murdered and i recall (although ive been wrong many gazillion times) he closed it as being an accident again.
It was never reported as being reopened - but the investigating officer was asked about it and he said it was just an accident and not suspicious.

[Cardinal]

Cardinal,
Interesting that Linda got the "personal represenative" changed so she could have standing to file WD. You had said first this would need to happen. Thanks for the info on this subject.....worked out for the Fisher's and Cassidy.


Hi, Patrick. At the time it was being discussed, I didn't realize that Michelle's Will named LF as Alternate Executrix. That would really have helped with the CSC's decision.

JMO

[alter ego]

Yes, but so would Michelle be aware of it. The drug was obtained when he was previously employed. It wasn't something brought from outside. BTW, the little girl does not sound drugged on that 911 call.No she does not.

[whitywendy]

Can anyone tell me about the lake incident. I must of missed that one. Please.....:)

[Cardinal]

Thank you, Card, for starting the thread, I can not think of a fairer poster to do so. :)

There is still a lot to sort out though.

Like apparently strangulation was not his first choice afterall.

And, why would he leave meds in C's room unless they were always there.?

I mean, there are still some things I am not buying, but it doesn't look good.

Which still leaves the answer of why there has been no arrest as the million dollar question.

:shrug:

Kat

You're welcome, Kat, and thank you. And I'm proud of you for keeping your promise. :)

I have to admit I'm baffled that there has been no arrest, too. If LE has all of this, what are they still looking for?

[annalyzer]

I understand what you're saying bud wiser. But if you coupled her comments about the sexual remarks with no flowers at the funeral comment could indiate a bias.

Also, the SW didn't say if the search words were retireved from Jason's laptop or the desktop computer in the house. Clearly, there are others who have a 'connection' to NY more than Jason and who may have had access to the home computer.


I thought the remark about the flowers was strange. I didn't send flowers to my husband's funeral. Of course I picked out the ones for on top of the casket but there wasn't any arrangement and card to read from me. I was so distraught I didn't even think to. Do people usually have flowers sent to their spouses funeral?

[alter ego]

Hi, Patrick. At the time it was being discussed, I didn't realize that Michelle's Will named LF as Alternate Executrix. That would really have helped with the CSC's decision.

JMOcsc?

Clerk Of Superior Court?

[whitywendy]

I thought the remark about the flowers was strange. I didn't send flowers to my husband's funeral. Of course I picked out the ones for on top of the casket but there wasn't any arrangement and card to read from me. I was so distraught I didn't even think to. Do people usually have flowers sent to their spouses funeral?
They pick out the flowers for the spray and anything else they want. If they want to include a card then they can. Did JY pay for the spray?

[alter ego]

I thought the remark about the flowers was strange. I didn't send flowers to my husband's funeral. Of course I picked out the ones for on top of the casket but there wasn't any arrangement and card to read from me. I was so distraught I didn't even think to. Do people usually have flowers sent to their spouses funeral?
Not that I have ever heard of :shrug:

[Jules2]

You think Jason changed clothes in those 33 seconds? LOL. Where is the dark, sweater? LE hasn't said it is missing, have they? Why would they look for something he was wearing underneath it but not look for it? You're not making a lot of sense.

And no, the search warrant does not say that Mrs. Young "gave" Jason a tan sweater to wear. That's just more of your lame spin.



33 seconds is plenty of time to put a jacket or zip up sweater on.

The clothes Jason was wearing when he left the hotel that night have not been recovered.


http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/3914719/?d_feature_story=1

[Cardinal]

I'm still trying to absorb everything in this latest SW. I actually printed it out and used a highlighter, it's so overwhelming.

For the first time, I, too, have serious concerns about Cassidy's well-being. Whether or not Jason killed Michelle (and I have to say at this point, my reasonable doubt is stretched to the breaking point), this SW indicates some serious judgment flaws on his part. What was Kat's word? Callous. Indeed.

JMO



BTW, thanks CW for reopening Michelle's board. :)

[Cardinal]

csc?

Clerk Of Superior Court?

Yep! Hi, AE.

[whitywendy]

Jason isn't a doctor. You can't seem to grasp that his child wasn't sick. Jason wouldn't know "child dosing instructions" for an adult drug. GMAB

OMG you can't seem to GRASP that this was HIS JOB!!!! MARKETING DRUGS. AND THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR.

[annalyzer]

They pick out the flowers for the spray and anything else they want. If they want to include a card then they can. Did JY pay for the spray?

I don't think she was referring to the spray on top of the casket. She was talking about the arrangements that are set around the room with cards from various people and she thought it odd that there wasn't one from Jason IIRC. (On the spray you can have a banner that reads "Husband" etc. which is what I did)

[Cardinal]

I thought the remark about the flowers was strange. I didn't send flowers to my husband's funeral. Of course I picked out the ones for on top of the casket but there wasn't any arrangement and card to read from me. I was so distraught I didn't even think to. Do people usually have flowers sent to their spouses funeral?

Not in my experience. Like you, ime, the spouse chooses the casket spray, but they don't send flowers.

But maybe this person knew that LF made the funeral arrangements (if what we've heard is true.) If LF did the casket spray, then maybe it seemed to this person that Jason should have sent flowers.

JMO

[alter ego]

Yep! Hi, AE.
What would give the Clerk of the Court authority to make such a change?

[whitywendy]

I don't think she was referring to the spray on top of the casket. She was talking about the arrangements that are set around the room with cards from various people and she thought it odd that there wasn't one from Jason IIRC. (On the spray you can have a banner that reads "Husband" etc. which is what I did)

When my mother died, my Dad and the rest of us picked out the spray but that was it. The rest of the flowers around the room were from family/friends. So it would make sense that there wasn't one from him in the room.

[Jules2]

Golly, you and Jules need to get on the same page :lol:

Originally Posted by Jules2
I've got all the photos saved to my computer and in the photo time stamped 23:59:07 Jason is at the front desk and he appears to be wearing a tan colored SHIRT not sweater. One of those long sleeved knit shirts with about 4 buttons


Since when is a sweater with buttons the same as a shirt with buttons?

At least the rest of us know the difference between shirts and sweaters.


The photo is in black and white. The shirt ( not sweater) appears to be light in color. Possibly tan, beige ecru or light gray for all that matters. Doesn't make it the "sweater" that Pat made him wear to keep him from going in to shock.

[Cardinal]

What would give the Clerk of the Court authority to make such a change?

In NC, the Clerk of Superior Court is the ex officio judge of probate.

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/ByArticle/Chapter_28A/Article_2.pdf

They have exactly that authority.

[annalyzer]

Not in my experience. Like you, ime, the spouse chooses the casket spray, but they don't send flowers.

But maybe this person knew that LF made the funeral arrangements (if what we've heard is true.) If LF did the casket spray, then maybe it seemed to this person that Jason should have sent flowers.

JMO


I'm kinda doubting this former co-worker of Jason's knew who had picked out and paid for the casket spray. And even if she did find out I still find it strange to remark on.

[Jules2]

The drug was an adult drug. It wasn't marketed for children 2.5years of age. Give it a rest. Sheesh.


What was an adult drug doing in Cassidy's room?

[annalyzer]

She obviously meant this photo...right jules ?


http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/alive695/225054.jpg


That photo is timestamped 22:50:54.

[Jules2]

She obviously meant this photo...right jules ?


http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/alive695/225054.jpg


Yep. Would hardly call that a sweater, Bud.

[Cardinal]

The drug was an adult drug. It wasn't marketed for children 2.5years of age. Give it a rest. Sheesh.

I also have a friend who's a drug sales rep. She can tell you absolutely everything about the drugs she sells, including adjusting dosages. Like someone else said, the drug sales reps are the ones who tell the doctors how the drug is used.

JMO

[Jules2]

She obviously meant this photo...right jules ?


http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/alive695/225054.jpg

Sorry Bud. my mistake. I was talking about the photo that was time stamped 23:59:07. I'll try and PM you the three photos I have.

[Cardinal]

Yes she does Cardinal.

Hello, Bud. I'll be nice if you will. :biggrin:

Here's my olive branch: I could never accept anyone's word in a matter this serious without seeing the facts for myself. Hope you understand that.

And I freely acknowlege that this latest SW corroborates many of the allegations you've made.

But I'm still not convinced about the auto accident!

[Cardinal]

I'm kinda doubting this former co-worker of Jason's knew who had picked out and paid for the casket spray. And even if she did find out I still find it strange to remark on.

I do too. I don't know, maybe this person just sensed something hinky, and that was their way of pinpointing it?

One thing in the SW really surprised me - that the call to Meredith wasn't made until 12:10. The SW also says that Jason called Michelle's work number at 12:02 and her cell at 12:17. That really, for me, shoots holes in his position that he wanted Meredith to retrieve the printout before Michelle saw it. Since she didn't (couldn't) answer either call, wouldn't the logical conclusion be that she might be at home? And he didn't call there.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Well, that isn't exactly true. There's a big, big reference for doctors to learn about dosaging. It's called the Physicians Desk Reference and it's all right there. Drug reps market the drug but they are not experts on dosaging. There is no way a drug rep knows the correct dosage of an adult drug to give to a 2.5 year old child in order for side effects of the drug to kick in.

You don't think drug sales reps have the materials that are submitted by their companies to the PDR publishers?

[annalyzer]

I do too. I don't know, maybe this person just sensed something hinky, and that was their way of pinpointing it?

One thing in the SW really surprised me - that the call to Meredith wasn't made until 12:10. The SW also says that Jason called Michelle's work number at 12:02 and her cell at 12:17. That really, for me, shoots holes in his position that he wanted Meredith to retrieve the printout before Michelle saw it. Since she didn't (couldn't) answer either call, wouldn't the logical conclusion be that she might be at home? And he didn't call there.

JMO


Did the latest sw specifically state that he didn't call home? I can't remember.

[alter ego]

In NC, the Clerk of Superior Court is the ex officio judge of probate.

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/ByArticle/Chapter_28A/Article_2.pdf

They have exactly that authority.That doesn't give them the power to appoint an executor other than who was named by the decedent.

Wait, who was named Michelle's personal rep in her will?

[Cardinal]

Did the latest sw specifically state that he didn't call home? I can't remember.

No, it didn't state that specifically, but it did say that he "...called her twice without reaching her." Twice, not 3 times.

[alter ego]

I do too. I don't know, maybe this person just sensed something hinky, and that was their way of pinpointing it?

One thing in the SW really surprised me - that the call to Meredith wasn't made until 12:10. The SW also says that Jason called Michelle's work number at 12:02 and her cell at 12:17. That really, for me, shoots holes in his position that he wanted Meredith to retrieve the printout before Michelle saw it. Since she didn't (couldn't) answer either call, wouldn't the logical conclusion be that she might be at home? And he didn't call there.

JMOWhy would he assume Michelle was at home if she was supposed to be at work? Noontime is lunch for most - why would he assume Michelle was home and not out to lunch or unable to take his call at the times he called?

The noon call to Meredith contradicts earlier arguments that he called her at 7-ish in the morning because he knew Cassidy needed to be 'rescued'.

[Breakingnews]

No, it didn't state that specifically, but it did say that he "...called her twice without reaching her." Twice, not 3 times.

Here's the exact wording from the SW:


A call from Linda Fisher would be unusual according to the phone records; Jason Young has a pregnant wife at home and he has called her twice without reaching her (According to records, Jason Young called Michelle Young’s work number at 12:02 pm and he called her cell phone number at 12:17 pm).

[Cardinal]

fair enough Cardinal

At first I too thought the accident was just that...an accident.
Then I went "to the scene of the crime" and my opinion changed.
I drove the curve and talked to 2 people that had talked to Michelle after the event. All said, my opinion is he definitely tried to kill her and make it look like an accident 5/06 (5 months before the actual murder)

Well I'm still trying to keep an open mind - on both sides. And I do know, from the NCW show, that Michelle discussed the accident with a co-worker. Maybe at some point, we'll get to hear what Michelle said about it.

OMG, objectivity aside, my heart is just breaking, all over again, for Michelle Young.

:rose: