Michelle Fisher Young, 2nd Year Anniversary

[Barbara2]

Hopefully we can continue here and keep in mind that Michelle is the focus of this thread. :rose:

[annalyzer]

The article today mentioned that Cassidy's prints were all over the house and the police believe she was there with her dead mother for quite sometime...Not to mention, she is heard in the 911 call talking about trying to fix mommy's booboos and I believe it was even stated somewhere she got a washcloth to clean her up. Cassidy never left that house. Poor little girl.

All MO, of course.

I don't think anyone took her out of the house.

[Jules2]

In the dark, white would appear light-colored. Go outside in the dark and look at a car that you know is white. It won't look white without light shining on it.


It's useless to even attempt an explanation, Barbara......some people just don't understand that white IS a light color. Obviously it isn't a dark color but if that poster insists it isn't light, what exactly does she think it is then? :shrug:


Oh wait, it's Jason's vehicle so no matter what color it was, it would never be considered the color described by a witness.

[Jules2]

Where do you come up with this stuff? Enought to cry herself to sleep.Where was this ever mentioned before? Why didn't she just leave the bathroom? She didn't seem to have any problem leaving her room when MF put her in there during the 911 call. It was like she wasn't even put in the room. You hear MF telling her to stay in her room but Cassie is always there talking in the back ground. Do you suspose Cassie and MF weren't even close to where Michelle was and that is why Cassie didn't seem upset during the call?



Do you know what the phrase "I think" means?

[Kat4Eagles]

The witness said all the lights outside the house were on. You really need to stop your spinning and :read: on the case.


Well, what do you know?
The 2 year mark came and went without that imminent arrest.
:rolleyes:

Jason's car was always parked in the driveway or maybe on the street when he was home, cause Michelle kept her car in the garage with the boat.

So, is the first time the news carrier noticed a car there, or just cause all the lights in the house were on?
And, he if noticed a car there before, was this the same car?

I wish one of the Young's neighbors had woken up, saw all the lights on, knew Jason was gone, Michelle was alone and pregnant with C, and decided to see if something was wrong or if they needed help.

I guess the Youngs did not get a paper delivered or the carrier could have saw who the killer(s) was, if they were that close, to the driveway.

Next up, were the trash men who were due that am.

And, everyone in Enchanted Oaks slept through the nite, hearing nothing, not knowing someone was murdered.

Kat

[JHP]

I think the most telling statement is the light colored suv was similar to a ford explorer.

Why has an arrest in this case not been made?

JMO

[Barbara2]

Another article about the 2 year mark:

http://wake.mync.com/site/Wake/news/story/12756/michelle-young-murder-two-years-later/

[annalyzer]

Another article about the 2 year mark:

http://wake.mync.com/site/Wake/news/story/12756/michelle-young-murder-two-years-later/
According to the sheriff they are still looking for the murderer.

[Barbara2]

According to the sheriff they are still looking for the murderer.

I think that is a fair and accurate statement given that noone has been arrested. IMO

[HI_CYCLE]

Another article about the 2 year mark:

http://wake.mync.com/site/Wake/news/story/12756/michelle-young-murder-two-years-later/What a nice unbiased piece of writing.
Thank you Barbara for posting.
:rose: for Michelle,Rylan and ALL who loved her.

[alter ego]

According to the sheriff they are still looking for the murderer.Well I guess that quashes the RUMORS that:

LE knows who the killer is (Jason)
the GJ indictment against Jason was handed down and is sealed
the DA has the case file and is preparing to indict

:shrug:

The other sealed warrant is set to unseal on 12/01, isn't it?

I searched court filings and could not find where Linda filed a wrongful death suit. Guess the musings of those not-so-much-in-the know were absolutely WRONG in their thinking that a WD suit can be filed and just sit there waiting for the criminal case to be solved.

It's a shame WSCO can't solve the case and bring closure to Michelle's family, friends and loved ones.

It's a shame the 2 year SOL has come and gone and no one can now file a WD suit meaning the killer, if ever caught, will be able to profit from the killing since NC has never enacted any type of Son of Sam law. :cuss:

[alter ego]

That suggests that the back of the SUV was open. Jason did have a couple of pairs of shoes to dispose of, as well as the murder weapon. It makes sense that he would put those in the back of the SUV until he came to a place where he could dispose of the evidence.

If someone was trying to frame Jason by using his shoes, the shoes would have been left at the scene. There is no reasonable explanation for Jason's missing shoes except that he didn't want the shoes to connect him to the crime. He did not know what lengths the police would go to in order to assertain that he once owned a pair of shoes identical to prints made at the scene.
He did :eek:

Well what a master criminal he is then to have 2 pairs of bloody shoes in his vehicle and not a trace of blood left behind.

What missing shoes are you talking about? And when was it determined that shoes Jason owns are identical to the prints left at the scene. I would love to see that report and analysis, got a link?

When were those so called missing shoes purchased? A couple of years before the crime? But you don't think it's 'reasonable' for someone to discard shoes for any reason other than to destroy evidence of murder?

[annalyzer]

snip~ If someone was trying to frame Jason by using his shoes, the shoes would have been left at the scene. .
Why would they leave his shoes at the scene? If someone was trying to frame Jason by using his shoes wouldn't they take the shoes with them when they left? What murderer leaves behind his bloody shoes?

[bookie]

Why would they leave his shoes at the scene? If someone was trying to frame Jason by using his shoes wouldn't they take the shoes with them when they left? What murderer leaves behind his bloody shoes?


Someone else taking his shoes would make it appear he was trying to hide evidence of his guilt. Leaving them would leave a great risk of unknown dna being found in/on them.

[gorealtors]

Breaking news:
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3882830/

[annalyzer]

Breaking news:
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3882830/

Will he have to testify (talk) at this hearing?

[patti3]

WD has been filed as of this afternoon.

[gorealtors]

I'm confused because the 2 years expired yesterday, didn't it? Yet according to the WRAL link, a wrongful death lawsuit was filed by Jason's mother-in-law TODAY. Why would she wait until after the deadline?


This might help explain it:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1281718.html

[bookie]

I'm confused because the 2 years expired yesterday, didn't it? Yet according to the WRAL link, a wrongful death lawsuit was filed by Jason's mother-in-law TODAY. Why would she wait until after the deadline?


According to the article it was filed last week.


"The lawsuit, filed last week on behalf of Michelle Young's mother, Linda Fisher, and sealed until Tuesday afternoon, claims Jason Young is liable for her daughter's death."

[bookie]

Will it get past a motion for summary judgment?


Why would there be a motion for summary judgement? Jason hasn't been tried or convicted of murder. He is IUPG in the eyes of the law.

[Cardinal]

Wow, so LF filed the WD suit. I heard the news on TV as I walked in the door tonight. Thanks for the links to the newspaper articles.

[annalyzer]

Wow, so LF filed the WD suit. I heard the news on TV as I walked in the door tonight. Thanks for the links to the newspaper articles.


So what's next Card?

[Cardinal]

So what's next Card?

Hi, Anna. With the WD suit? Depositions, interrogatories, probably a couple of subpoenas, and lots of legal fees, imo.

I wonder if this will have any impact on the criminal investigation. The burden of proof in a civil case is a preponderance of the evidence rather than BARD. Big difference.

JMO

[Cardinal]

News stories about it are mostly accurate....I found the judge's
comment about sealing it a little strange....I'm surprised Linda
let the cops push her into this action....She's the one who will
look foolish, not the cops....I doubt Jason knows about this yet.

==Kingcole

He knows. You apparently didn't read the N&O article carefully:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1281718.html

"Fisher filed the suit last week, but Senior Resident Superior Court Judge Donald Stephens ordered it kept from public view until Jason Young had been served a copy. The suit was unsealed this afternoon."

[Wyn]

News stories about it are mostly accurate....I found the judge's
comment about sealing it a little strange....I'm surprised Linda
let the cops push her into this action....She's the one who will
look foolish, not the cops....I doubt Jason knows about this yet.

==Kingcole

I didn't find the judge's comment "a little strange" at all. IF the media knew about it, then the news would have gotten to Jason and I'm sure he would have run to avoid being served. I'm really surprised you think Jason doesn't know about this. I think one news report even has a statement from his mother! It wasn't released to the media until he was served. Maybe the Youngs have decided you aren't in their "inner circle" anymore?

I can guarantee you the cops didn't push Linda Fisher into anything. She's an intelligent woman and the two year statute was about to run out. Was there anything the Youngs might have done to prevent the filing? LOTS. They're the ones who look foolish because they could have prevented this. I know how, do you? Or would you rather just post some more lies?

I believe someone asked you on another board last night if you had some news you wanted to share. Guess you were the last to know. Besides the JII's here. ;)

Guess you won't be back until you have some spin. Good luck with that. :biggrin:

[jerzeegirl]

This is great news
For Michele, Rylan and their family :rose:

[Cardinal]

This is great news
For Michele, Rylan and their family :rose:

Hi, jerzee - good to see you. :seeya:

I think a lot of posters thought the WD suit would never happen. Linda Fisher must be pretty determined. It took some legal hoops to get this done, imo.

JMO

[bookie]

I meant a motion filed by Jason. Sorry I didn't make that more clear



NP. Jason would file a motion to dismiss, not a summary judgement.

[Wyn]

Hi, jerzee - good to see you. :seeya:

I think a lot of posters thought the WD suit would never happen. Linda Fisher must be pretty determined. It took some legal hoops to get this done, imo.

JMO

Guess we won't have to read any more flip "cold case" posts. :tongue:

[jerzeegirl]

Hi, jerzee - good to see you. :seeya:

I think a lot of posters thought the WD suit would never happen. Linda Fisher must be pretty determined. It took some legal hoops to get this done, imo.

JMO


Hi Card, good to see you too, good to see breaking news in this case. I was also glad to hear that LE does not think this case is cold. And i truly believe if they have been in contact with linda fisher that they wouldnt have let her go ahead with this law suit if they didnt believe there is proof that he did this. I believe they would have given her some kind of info to let her know that JY is not the guy they think did this.

[bookie]

Hi, jerzee - good to see you. :seeya:

I think a lot of posters thought the WD suit would never happen. Linda Fisher must be pretty determined. It took some legal hoops to get this done, imo.

JMO


I wouldn't celebrate just yet. There will be motions to dismiss and the suit may never make it to court. If LF doesn't have standing to sue the court will dismiss the case.

[Cardinal]

Hi Card, good to see you too, good to see breaking news in this case. I was also glad to hear that LE does not think this case is cold. And i truly believe if they have been in contact with linda fisher that they wouldnt have let her go ahead with this law suit if they didnt believe there is proof that he did this. I believe they would have given her some kind of info to let her know that JY is not the guy they think did this.

You make a good point. I have no doubt that LF is in close contact with LE - especially since some of them attended the memorial on Sunday. If LE were focused on someone else, it does seem they would have advised her against the WD suit.

JMO

[Cardinal]

I wouldn't celebrate just yet. There will be motions to dismiss and the suit may never make it to court. If LF doesn't have standing to sue the court will dismiss the case.

There is no celebration in my post. Take your bait some place else tonight. I am simply discussing the FACT that a WD was filed.

[Barbara2]

There is no celebration in my post. Take your bait some place else tonight. I am simply discussing the FACT that a WD was filed.

The filing was necessary to meet the deadline date but I'm not sure that the case moves forward until the criminal aspect is complete. The evidence gathered for the criminal trial would have to be made available and I don't see that happening right now. IMO

[Cardinal]

The filing was necessary to meet the deadline date but I'm not sure that the case moves forward until the criminal aspect is complete. The evidence gathered for the criminal trial would have to be made available and I don't see that happening right now. IMO

I agree. It would be very difficult for LF to prove her case without the evidence from the criminal investigation, and I can't see LE releasing that evidence until someone is convicted.

So, there will be depositions, and interrogatories..........and delaying tactics, imo.

But I also agree with jerzee - I would think that LE would have steered LF away from the WD if they were focused on a different suspect.

JMO

[bookie]

There is no celebration in my post. Take your bait some place else tonight. I am simply discussing the FACT that a WD was filed.



I didn't say there was celebration in your post. I was discussing the fact that a suit being filed doesn't mean it will be heard let alone won. There was no bait in my post. :punch:

[Barbara2]

I agree. It would be very difficult for LF to prove her case without the evidence from the criminal investigation, and I can't see LE releasing that evidence until someone is convicted.

So, there will be depositions, and interrogatories..........and delaying tactics, imo.

But I also agree with jerzee - I would think that LE would have steered LF away from the WD if they were focused on a different suspect.

JMO

Yes, very good point about LE steering her away if they had any evidence that someone else was the person responsible. IMO

[Cardinal]

I didn't say there was celebration in your post. I was discussing the fact that a suit being filed doesn't mean it will be heard let alone won. There was no bait in my post. :punch:

Fine, I apologize if I misunderstood your comment. And no, a suit being filed doesn't mean it will be won. But I find the inferences that can be drawn from the filing of this suit, regardless of the outcome, to be significant.

JMO

[bookie]

Fine, I apologize if I misunderstood your comment. And no, a suit being filed doesn't mean it will be won. But I find the inferences that can be drawn from the filing of this suit, regardless of the outcome, to be significant.

JMO


I don't. Anyone can file a lawsuit. Look at the judge that filed the multimillion dollaar suit against his drycleaners.

[Cardinal]

I don't. Anyone can file a lawsuit. Look at the judge that filed the multimillion dollaar suit against his drycleaners.

True. But the judge got his day in court, didn't he?

[bookie]

True. But the judge got his day in court, didn't he?


Did he? I found the whole thing ridiculous and didn't follow it closely. I do know he lost but I figured that was due to a motion to dismiss being won by the dry cleaners.

[Barbara2]

Did he? I found the whole thing ridiculous and didn't follow it closely. I do know he lost but I figured that was due to a motion to dismiss being won by the dry cleaners.

I don't see where this dry cleaner and judge have anything to do with this case.

I don't believe that Linda entered into this lightly. If so, she would have filed suit two years ago. IMO

[bookie]

I don't see where this dry cleaner and judge have anything to do with this case.

I don't believe that Linda entered into this lightly. If so, she would have filed suit two years ago. IMO



My point was that anyone can file a suit....it doesn't mean they have a case. And I'm not sure LF even has standing to sue. I'm sorry that you can understand comparisons. :rolleyes:

[Barbara2]

My point was that anyone can file a suit....it doesn't mean they have a case. And I'm not sure LF even has standing to sue. I'm sorry that you can understand comparisons. :rolleyes:

I filed a suit and won. Is that relevant to the discussion? Does it prove anything? Should we discuss my successful lawsuit for a few pages?

[bookie]

I filed a suit and won. Is that relevant to the discussion? Does it prove anything? Should we discuss my successful lawsuit for a few pages?


Go for it if you feel like it. I don't bother telling people what they should post about.

[Barbara2]

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Nope, Barbara, you can't tempt me. I will not say anything
about somebody taking somebody to the cleaners. I refuse.

Good for you.

[Wyn]

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Nope, Barbara, you can't tempt me. I will not say anything
about somebody taking somebody to the cleaners. I refuse.

Nobody said anything about "taking somebody to the cleaners" but you. The comment was about suing a dry cleaners. I won't say anything about how some poster(s) have no class. Or have some poster(s) are so clueless that they would think a WD suit has anything to do with money. (Although YOU do seem to talk a lot about money. Do you want to bring up the "hefty check" discussion again?) I won't say anything about how some poster(s) need to do a little reading because they don't quite understand what's being sought in the WD suit.

[Wyn]

Not according to the judge. He said it was to keep somebody
from running to avoid the serving of the papers. Ignorant man, don't you reckon? I doubt Jason is aware of Linda's action.

==Kingcole


YOU'RE calling the judge an "Ignorant man"? :lol: Priceless.
You "doubt" Jason is aware of Linda's action"? But his mother is? When is she going to clue him in, before or after he sees it on the news? Oh wait, you're out of the loop now. Sorry, I almost forgot.

[Wyn]

Now you are calling the Chief Superior Court judge ignorant ?

Someone's spin skills are sadly lacking this evening. Maybe he'll get to be a character witness for Jason. Wouldn't it be great for his posts to be made public in a court room? :D

[Wyn]

I guess the JII's can no longer argue about WHO paid for the funeral either.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3882830/

It also asks for compensation for the "horror, pain and suffering … caused by the defendant's fatal assault," reasonable funeral expenses and the monetary value to Cassidy for the loss of her mother.

I like the "Jury Trial Demanded" part.

[jerzeegirl]

Affidavit in wrongful death suit

http://www.wral.com/news/local/document/3893878/


wait, that document says that LF is the executrix of Micheles estate? I thought numerous posters here stated that Jason was the executor of micheles estate.

[Wyn]

wait, that document says that LF is the executrix of Micheles estate? I thought numerous posters here stated that Jason was the executor of micheles estate.

That's because they get their information from King Cole, who has now "been R/O as an insider" as some of the JII's are fond of saying. He's also saying he doubts Jason knows he's been served, which I find rather odd since Pat Young accepted the papers last Thursday. Hmm, could he by lying? :eek:

[jerzeegirl]

That's because they get their information from King Cole, who has now "been R/O as an insider" as some of the JII's are fond of saying. He's also saying he doubts Jason knows he's been served, which I find rather odd since Pat Young accepted the papers last Thursday. Hmm, could he by lying? :eek:



so are we to assume that michele did NOT make jason the executor of her estate in her will? I really believed everyone when they said JY was the executor, usually the husband/wife is. Things that make you go hmmmm.

Maybe she changed her will not long before she died?

[jerzeegirl]

Michelle obviously suspected something to make her mother the executrix. I wonder if Jason knew?

yeah tiaz, thats a big red flag for me, usually family members become executors if both husband and wife are deceased. I never paid too much mind to the whole therapy thing (cuz so many ppl see therapist these days, for even silly things cuz their boss sux). But maybe, trip to NY, therapist, michele money and naming her mother executor are for the reasons that some have opined here.

JMO

[jerzeegirl]

This was a recent change ordered by the Clerk of court.
As discussed earlier, having this status (legal standing) was required to file WD. I would love to see this petition to COC.

ahhh ok ty patrick, i didnt see that in the document. Was that in there? That answers all my questions :)

[jerzeegirl]

This was a recent change ordered by the Clerk of court.
As discussed earlier, having this status (legal standing) was required to file WD. I would love to see this petition to COC.

Patrick, i see you are from LI, were you friends with michele? Family member? Hope you dont mind me asking.

[Wyn]

This was a recent change ordered by the Clerk of court.
As discussed earlier, having this status (legal standing) was required to file WD. I would love to see this petition to COC.

And KC wasn't aware? :eek:
Surely Jason would have been notified that he'd been removed, wouldn't he?

[jerzeegirl]

I know Linda and Meredith......wonderful people
;)


well, my heart breaks for them, for two years now.

[jerzeegirl]

That's very interesting, isn't it. It looks like Michelle did not make Jason the executor of her will, contrary to numerous claims.


patrick cleared that up for us harvy, the recent change of executor/executrix was made through the courts not the will.

[annalyzer]

So Linda didn't pay for the funeral? You have info from Jason's end that he paid for it?

Isn't it the husband's obligation to pay for the wife's funeral? Would you really want your mother in law to pay for your wife's funeral. Seriously. Sure Linda paid for her daughter's funeral, but was she the person who should have? I'd like to know your thoughts on this one.

I can understand family helping out with funeral expenses. But if Michelle had not been murdered there would've been no funeral to pay for. It's the principal of the matter, not the money Linda is seeking.

[Kat4Eagles]

To my friends on the board I will be going away for a few days. Maybe my the time I come back there will be some news. I had to stick around to vote tomorrow and then I'm off. See you next week.


Bye June, I am sure we will be here.
Hurry back !!

Congrats to Sen. Obama.....

:patriot:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I can understand family helping out with funeral expenses. But if Michelle had not been murdered there would've been no funeral to pay for. It's the principal of the matter, not the money Linda is seeking.



I didn't see this coming, I thought by Jason not collecting the insurance money, that he was making it clear he was not interested.

I am not all too sure what to make of this, but it is a good day for the JDI's, and after 2 years of not much, this is definitely something.

What, I don't know, but we now know for sure that LF does think Jason killed Michelle, and that could explain why she hasn't seen C.

But, anyone can file a suit, now let's see if it can be proven.

And, we know she had to file it in within the 2 year period.

And, I wouldn't be too confident with this not being a cold case, what else can LE and investigators say, when they have been working

on it for 2 years without resolution.

They can not very well say they have given up, can they?

But, once again, a good day for the JDI's.



Kat

[Leanne Weich]

Wouldn't Jason have already collected any benefits from Progress Energy? The news of this WDS was the best news we could have got today, imo. I did think, reading between the lines at the forum where the people who really know the Fishers that this would be coming.

KC, you can stop whinging now about what may come out about Linda because she's not going to be deposed so any skeletons in her closet will be immaterial. The Young/McIntyre clan are the ones who need to fear what will be uncovered, imo.

How confident is Linda that she's asked for a jury trial? Extremely I'd think.

I guess us "simpletons" who've been waiting for the wheels of justice to turn weren't so simple after all, nor did we put all our eggs in your flimsy basket gojo. We all saw through you 2 years ago. Even now, you try to BS everyone saying the murderer (imo) is probably unaware of this lawsuit. Is he such a baby that Ma Pat has to shield him from the facts of his life - she did, after all, accept service of the WDS?

I hope that this lawsuit is what is needed to push the DA to bring this matter before the GJ prior to the end of the current year. Justice delayed is never justice denied!!!!!

:rose: Linda; Meredith and Cassidy; and
:flamemad: Jason and the Young/McIntyre clan.

:rose: RIP Michelle and Rylan. A lot of us are here for the long haul and will be until justice is served.

[BiggerRedDog]

I didn't see this coming, I thought by Jason not collecting the insurance money, that he was making it clear he was not interested.
I am not all too sure what to make of this, but it is a good day for the JDI's, and after 2 years of not much, this is definitely something.
What, I don't know, but we now know for sure that LF does think Jason killed Michelle, and that could explain why she hasn't seen C.
But, anyone can file a suit, now let's see if it can be proven.
And, we know she had to file it in within the 2 year period.
And, I wouldn't be too confident with this not being a cold case, what else can LE and investigators say, when they have been working
on it for 2 years without resolution.
They can not very well say they have given up, can they?
But, once again, a good day for the JDI's.
KatI've always seen Jason not applying for and collecting the insurance money because he was afraid of the questions he'd need to answer. Especially after 2 years. When my husband died, to apply for the insurance money he left was a hard thing to do; it felt too final and almost mercenary. I much rather wanted him to be alive. But, I was entitled to that money and it made a nice albeit small nest egg for our son. To not apply for and get it would have been, to me, cheating our son out of something that was rightfully his. I feel the same way about Jason and Cassidy.

[Leanne Weich]

I've always seen Jason not applying for and collecting the insurance money because he was afraid of the questions he'd need to answer. Especially after 2 years. When my husband died, to apply for the insurance money he left was a hard thing to do; it felt too final and almost mercenary. I much rather wanted him to be alive. But, I was entitled to that money and it made a nice albeit small nest egg for our son. To not apply for and get it would have been, to me, cheating our son out of something that was rightfully his. I feel the same way about Jason and Cassidy.

ITA. Silly man, he's still going to have to answer questions, only these will be a lot harder. I guess he's probably going to plead the Fifth though unfortunately. As long as every penny from Michelle's estate and LIP doesn't end up in his pocket, I'll be happy.

[jerzeegirl]

So i guess this answers questions that alot of people have asked for months. He never collected on that LI policy. And im pretty sure that in the insurance world, that is unheard of, unless you are avoiding questions. So many have said, ahhh he doesnt want the money. Who wouldnt collect money that rightfully belongs to them? Who wouldnt want that money to better their childs future, for an education, etc. That money rightfully belonged to him, he did not collect, big red flag. Lets face it, he cashed in on her 401k, then why not LI? I can almost guarantee its not the matter of the money for him, its the matter of the questions he would have to answer to cash in. And im still waiting to find out how Linda came about being the executrix, was it in micheles will, or did this come after the fact that she was murdered.

[HI_CYCLE]

So i guess this answers questions that alot of people have asked for months. He never collected on that LI policy. And im pretty sure that in the insurance world, that is unheard of, unless you are avoiding questions. So many have said, ahhh he doesnt want the money. Who wouldnt collect money that rightfully belongs to them? Who wouldnt want that money to better their childs future, for an education, etc. That money rightfully belonged to him, he did not collect, big red flag. Lets face it, he cashed in on her 401k, then why not LI? I can almost guarantee its not the matter of the money for him, its the matter of the questions he would have to answer to cash in. And im still waiting to find out how Linda came about being the executrix, was it in micheles will, or did this come after the fact that she was murdered.I will state this is only speculation. I believe Jason and Michelle each had a small LI policy made out naming their mother as beneficiary in case they were to be killed in an accident together. This LI was to pay for any funeral expenses. I believe LF used this as a way to be named executrix of her daughter. If this is the case IMO the courts will deny her WDS. This WDS in NO way makes JY responsible for his wife`s death. I think we will all have to sit back and wait for a ruling to see if she is truly the legal executor of Michelle Young`s estate. MOO

[Leanne Weich]

Linda's attorneys to discuss WDS:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3897023/

[Wyn]

Nope. You can't tempt me. I still refuse to talk about cleaners!
I also don't have enough class to talk money. I'm clueless.
I'll leave that to you and your buds.

But look, if you don't understand what's being sought in the
WD suit, just ask. Linda will let you know. You might ask
her also about money. She's not clueness. Really. Ask her
where the money came from for funeral expenses....for which
she wants payback. Just ask.


But look, your board buds will give you a clue about class.
They're full of it. Just ask them how much class is needed
to sue someone for money to pay for your daughter's funeral.
A gallon? Two gallons? They'll let you know. I'm clueless....
and disgusted.

Kingcole

You are so funny! And GREEDY! I'm shocked that you either didn't read the affidavit, or if you did, you failed to understand it. All you are concerned about is the money?? Are you upset that Cassidy will receive the proceeds from the WD suit? Is this your way of saying you would rather Pat Young benefit from her DIL's death instead? I'm shocked and disgusted!

You begrudge reimbursement to the Fishers for the money THEY have spent because Jason murdered Michelle?? Yes, THEY. I don't think you "buds" on this board are going to be quite as gullible in the future and blindly believe everything you post. You have proven you don't know a thing. Keep making stuff up though. Some suits don't have a two year statute of limitations. :biggrin:

Please, ask some questions if you still don't understand what's going on. We're here to help.

Justice is coming for Michelle and Rylan. :rose:

[Wyn]

I didn't see this coming, I thought by Jason not collecting the insurance money, that he was making it clear he was not interested.

I am not all too sure what to make of this, but it is a good day for the JDI's, and after 2 years of not much, this is definitely something.

What, I don't know, but we now know for sure that LF does think Jason killed Michelle, and that could explain why she hasn't seen C.

But, anyone can file a suit, now let's see if it can be proven.

And, we know she had to file it in within the 2 year period.

And, I wouldn't be too confident with this not being a cold case, what else can LE and investigators say, when they have been working

on it for 2 years without resolution.

They can not very well say they have given up, can they?

But, once again, a good day for the JDI's.



Kat

Good spin, Kat.

"Not interested" in the insurance money? He's out of a job and living with his mother. But no, he's not interested in getting the LI for which he paid premiums.

Yes, this is definitely something. Please, reread the affidavit and notice the two best statements. The part where it says that Jason murdered Michelle, and the part where it asks for a Trial by Jury.

Actually, Linda got to see Cassidy the weekend before Halloween. An overnight visit. Jason must have thought that by giving the Fishers hope they could see Cassidy on a regular basis that the two year statute of limitations would roll on by. His mistake, not giving her written visitation.

Yes, anyone can file a suit. The families of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman filed a suit. Even though OJ was found NOT GUILTY. And they won!! Wow.

It's not a cold case, never has been. It's always just been wishful thinking on your part. Some wishes come true, some don't. Sorry. :shrug:

Why would they say "they've given up". When it's obvious they never have? "cough"

Definitely a good day but not for the JDI's. For Justice. For Michelle and Rylan. :rose:

[bookie]

I guess the JII's can no longer argue about WHO paid for the funeral either.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3882830/

It also asks for compensation for the "horror, pain and suffering … caused by the defendant's fatal assault," reasonable funeral expenses and the monetary value to Cassidy for the loss of her mother.


So LF paid for the funeral but not a headstone? Is she going to be treated to the same derision Jason has been treated to here for not putting a headstone on the grave since she was the decision maker?

[bookie]

Wouldn't Jason have already collected any benefits from Progress Energy? The news of this WDS was the best news we could have got today, imo. I did think, reading between the lines at the forum where the people who really know the Fishers that this would be coming.

KC, you can stop whinging now about what may come out about Linda because she's not going to be deposed so any skeletons in her closet will be immaterial. The Young/McIntyre clan are the ones who need to fear what will be uncovered, imo.

How confident is Linda that she's asked for a jury trial? Extremely I'd think.

I guess us "simpletons" who've been waiting for the wheels of justice to turn weren't so simple after all, nor did we put all our eggs in your flimsy basket gojo. We all saw through you 2 years ago. Even now, you try to BS everyone saying the murderer (imo) is probably unaware of this lawsuit. Is he such a baby that Ma Pat has to shield him from the facts of his life - she did, after all, accept service of the WDS?

I hope that this lawsuit is what is needed to push the DA to bring this matter before the GJ prior to the end of the current year. Justice delayed is never justice denied!!!!!

:rose: Linda; Meredith and Cassidy; and
:flamemad: Jason and the Young/McIntyre clan.

:rose: RIP Michelle and Rylan. A lot of us are here for the long haul and will be until justice is served.


I don't see asking for a jury trial as extremely confident. Juries aren't perfect and don't always get it right. Confident would be asking a judge to rule.

[dkny]

After reading the suit papers, PY was served on 10/30 on behalf of JY. Also, I would think w/LF as Executrix of MY's estate she would be negligent in not filing a WD suit on behalf of CY and protecting the LI policy for CY. JMO

[bookie]

An article was linked yesterday that said Linda Fisher had difficulty in placing that headstone, due to the pain she felt making that final step in her grief dealing with the death of Michelle. Cut her some slack, and it's actually her business anyway, certainly not yours. hammer


ROFLMAO.


It's not my business but it's been the JDI's business for the last 2 years when Jason didn't place one on the grave? Gotta love the double standards on this board. :rolleyes:

[Kat4Eagles]

I've always seen Jason not applying for and collecting the insurance money because he was afraid of the questions he'd need to answer. Especially after 2 years. When my husband died, to apply for the insurance money he left was a hard thing to do; it felt too final and almost mercenary. I much rather wanted him to be alive. But, I was entitled to that money and it made a nice albeit small nest egg for our son. To not apply for and get it would have been, to me, cheating our son out of something that was rightfully his. I feel the same way about Jason and Cassidy.



Now, that I have had a little more time to think about this, I am more shocked that since L F feels that Jason killed Michelle, why has she not taken steps to remove C?

Instead she filed a suit for money, but, not protection for C.

What is the reasoning behind this?

Kat

[bookie]

If Jason had just divorced Michelle, rather than beat her to death, Linda would have never had to make any decision. Seems rediculous to bring this up now.


When was it proven that Jason murdered Michelle? Evidently in the last 2 weeks while I was offline a trial was held? Could you give me links to the trial and verdict since the media didn't think it was worth covering?

I love how the headstone was a burning issue when it was Jason's decision but now that it turns out it was LF's it's either no one's business but hers or not important. It's amazing how that works.

[Kat4Eagles]

ITA. Silly man, he's still going to have to answer questions, only these will be a lot harder. I guess he's probably going to plead the Fifth though unfortunately. As long as every penny from Michelle's estate and LIP doesn't end up in his pocket, I'll be happy.


But, nothing will bring Michelle back.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Good spin, Kat.

"Not interested" in the insurance money? He's out of a job and living with his mother. But no, he's not interested in getting the LI for which he paid premiums.

Yes, this is definitely something. Please, reread the affidavit and notice the two best statements. The part where it says that Jason murdered Michelle, and the part where it asks for a Trial by Jury.

Actually, Linda got to see Cassidy the weekend before Halloween. An overnight visit. Jason must have thought that by giving the Fishers hope they could see Cassidy on a regular basis that the two year statute of limitations would roll on by. His mistake, not giving her written visitation.

Yes, anyone can file a suit. The families of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman filed a suit. Even though OJ was found NOT GUILTY. And they won!! Wow.

It's not a cold case, never has been. It's always just been wishful thinking on your part. Some wishes come true, some don't. Sorry. :shrug:

Why would they say "they've given up". When it's obvious they never have? "cough"

Definitely a good day but not for the JDI's. For Justice. For Michelle and Rylan. :rose:



No spin here, Wyn, I came to the Board and honestly gave you guys congrats on the wrongful death suit last nite.

But, it still does not change the following:

Michelle lost her life
C lost her Monther.
Jason lost his wife.
Michelle's friends lost her presence.

My reasoning for Jason not collecting the money was that it would make him look suspicious, because I will never be convinced this was pre~med.

The suit had to be filed in the allotted time, and it was.

:shrug:

Kat

[JHP]

Now, that I have had a little more time to think about this, I am more shocked that since L F feels that Jason killed Michelle, why has she not taken steps to remove C?

Instead she filed a suit for money, but, not protection for C.

What is the reasoning behind this?

Kat

I imagine this is just a first step. We don't know what has been going on for the past 2 years.

She is filing this suit to protect Cassidy's future.

I wonder if CPS has been involved all along. There have been clues to that. Maybe we will find out one day.

JMO

[JHP]

But, nothing will bring Michelle back.

Kat

You are right NOTHING will bring Michelle back. However the person who killed her should be in jail.

Not frolicking around.

JMO

:rose: For Michelle

[Kat4Eagles]

I imagine this is just a first step. We don't know what has been going on for the past 2 years.

She is filing this suit to protect Cassidy's future.

I wonder if CPS has been involved all along. There have been clues to that. Maybe we will find out one day.

JMO



I could see LF doing this if Jason had made an attempt to collect the money, but I don't think that is the case.

This seems to have been done, because it it the one thing L F can do.

Apparently, L E can not do anything for her.

We reached a critical point in this case, when it hit 2 years without an arrest.

If filing a wrongful death suit makes her feel better, and gives her some sense of peace, I have no problem with that.

But, it does not explain why there has been no arrest.

And, the only person who has been right about anything here, is June, cause she told us that L F was convinced Jason did this.

Now we have proof of that.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Kat, can you really not see what is happening here ? Did you read the papers filed by Linda Fisher ? She is protecting that money FOR CASSIDY, so Jason Young cannot touch it, and she is suing for all damages incurred by Michelle's murder FOR CASSIDY.


:no:
Where does it say that Jason ever had any ideas or intentions on collecting the money?

This murder was not about insurance money.

And, the insurance company was not likely to pay out anyway.

So????

Your point?

Kat

[Wyn]

I could see LF doing this if Jason had made an attempt to collect the money, but I don't think that is the case.

This seems to have been done, because it it the one thing L F can do.

Apparently, L E can not do anything for her.

We reached a critical point in this case, when it hit 2 years without an arrest.

If filing a wrongful death suit makes her feel better, and gives her some sense of peace, I have no problem with that.

But, it does not explain why there has been no arrest.

And, the only person who has been right about anything here, is June, cause she told us that L F was convinced Jason did this.
Now we have proof of that.

Kat


Priceless!!! :lol:

Yeah, "June" was the only person who knew Linda Fisher "was convinced Jason did this". Thanks for the laugh. :biggrin:

Let's award you post of the day!! Spin on!

[dkny]

LF being Executrix changes everything, she must act on CY's behalf to protect her interests, she is bound to do it. JMO

[Wyn]

:no:
Where does it say that Jason ever had any ideas or intentions on collecting the money?

This murder was not about insurance money.

And, the insurance company was not likely to pay out anyway.

So????

Your point?

Kat

So

So, "This murder was not about insurance money". Pray tell, what was this murder about? BBL to see what you think Jason murdered Michelle for, can't wait!

:seeya:

[JHP]

I could see LF doing this if Jason had made an attempt to collect the money, but I don't think that is the case.

This seems to have been done, because it it the one thing L F can do.

Apparently, L E can not do anything for her.

We reached a critical point in this case, when it hit 2 years without an arrest.

If filing a wrongful death suit makes her feel better, and gives her some sense of peace, I have no problem with that.

But, it does not explain why there has been no arrest.

And, the only person who has been right about anything here, is June, cause she told us that L F was convinced Jason did this.

Now we have proof of that.

Kat

I hope we will now get to find out more info on facts in the case.

You just made me absolutly nauseated with your last comment.barf

But thats ok I've eaten far too much chocolate the past few days.

JMO

[dkny]

:no:
Where does it say that Jason ever had any ideas or intentions on collecting the money?

This murder was not about insurance money.

And, the insurance company was not likely to pay out anyway.

So????

Your point?

Kat

They have to pay, it is just a matter of who they pay it too, most likely to MY's estate, LF must protect and ensure the LI policy is paid. JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

I imagine this is just a first step. We don't know what has been going on for the past 2 years.

She is filing this suit to protect Cassidy's future.

I wonder if CPS has been involved all along. There have been clues to that. Maybe we will find out one day.

JMO


You don't just leave a child live with someone you think is a murderer for 2 years, and do nothing. :no:

The Cooper children were removed immmediately.

It wouldn't matter , who all was around C on a daily basis, cause Jason is still the biggest part of her life.

Jason has made sure C got therapy and that she is in a good day care .

He decided who she can and can not see.

Perhaps this wrongful death suit is also meant to punish Jason for not letting LF see C?

I expect we will find out, isn't there a news conference coming up at
11:am.

And, I would expect this story will be on all the cable news shows tonite, Greta,Nancy, Dan Abrams, and Geraldo, right?

We were promised national media would swarm on this.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Priceless!!! :lol:

Yeah, "June" was the only person who knew Linda Fisher "was convinced Jason did this". Thanks for the laugh. :biggrin:

Let's award you post of the day!! Spin on!


I know, I forgot KC..

Kat

[JHP]

Hi JHP, that is what I've thought the reason is that Jason has lived with his sister and his mother all along. I think children services is involved and the only way he could keep Cassidy with him was if he lived with relatives, not alone with her. I also believe the custody of Cassidy will be the next order of business for Linda Fisher, first she needs to prove he is liable for Michelle's death (thus a threat to Cassidy).

ITA Vanessa:seeya:. From what I have seen so far Linda Fisher will not have too much trouble. Now if we could just figure out
what the LE holdup is.
JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Sadly, some posters here are more concerned about Jason that poor little Cassidy.

Linda is protecting her the only way she can now.

Posters, like Kat, need to go back and read the affidavit, then come back and argue. Its hard to discuss the WDS, when its obivous she has never read the affidavit, if she read it, she would understand that its all for Cassidy.

Most of us suspect Jason murdered Michelle, unfortunately, Linda is the only one who can do anything about it. What kind of person would she be to let him get away with it?



But, no one can explain why she has let C reside with someone she thinks killed her daughter?

A civil suit is only good to collect money or to stop someone else from collecting money.

If this could bring back a loved one, everyone would file one.

It doesn't change anything.

Michelle is still dead.
C still does not have her Mother.
Jason still does not have his wife.

:shrug:

Kat

[JHP]

You don't just leave a child live with someone you think is a murderer for 2 years, and do nothing. :no:

The Cooper children were removed immmediately.

It wouldn't matter , who all was around C on a daily basis, cause Jason is still the biggest part of her life.

Jason has made sure C got therapy and that she is in a good day care .

He decided who she can and can not see.

Perhaps this wrongful death suit is also meant to punish Jason for not letting LF see C?

I expect we will find out, isn't there a news conference coming up at
11:am.

And, I would expect this story will be on all the cable news shows tonite, Greta,Nancy, Dan Abrams, and Geraldo, right?

We were promised national media would swarm on this.

Kat

You know all of this how:shrug: Do you live close to J?

I never promised you a media swarm about this.

Would you just let 1mil sit around if you were innocent?

JMO

[bookie]

YOU don't know what her attorney advised. If you read the affidavit, she is filing on behalf of Cassidy.

No amount of twisting is going to work this time Kat. Too bad you had everyone banned who KNEW all of this information because you would have been informed as well and wouldn't look so foolish now.


Still doesn't explain why she is leaving her granddaughter in the custody of the man she claims murdered her daughter when we all know how easy it is in NC to get custody away from him. The Cooper case showed us how easy it is. Walk into court without notifying the other side, bring some contradictory affadavits from "friends" and voila!!!! Guaranteed custody.

[dkny]

JASON took Michelle from everyone who loved her.

Rather than see him and his mother tromping around the country in matching ski suits, etc........Linda wanted to see Cassidy get that money. Why is that such a problem for you? Plus, YOU have NO IDEA what Linda had been advised to do BY HER ATTORNEY regarding Cassidy so stop implying that she is doing something wrong by not filing for custody at this time.

Wake up Kat! Read the affidavit! The only selfish people here are the Youngs, the only one who seems to give a rats a$$ about Cassidy is Linda.

ITA, also, if JY was the personal rep originally for MY's estate and has waited and left the LI $ sit not accruing interest, or putting into a structure to earn more $ it is irresponsible of him and negligent that is most likely how the appointment was changed. If he did not kill MY he would be pushing LE to find out who did it and giving a dep to the LI co and collecting the benefits. He walked right into it. Great postering on LF's atty's behalf. JMO

[dkny]

Still doesn't explain why she is leaving her granddaughter in the custody of the man she claims murdered her daughter when we all know how easy it is in NC to get custody away from him. The Cooper case showed us how easy it is. Walk into court without notifying the other side, bring some contradictory affadavits from "friends" and voila!!!! Guaranteed custody.

It is not easy to remove a child from the only surviving parent. NC had made her family and friends aware of what BC was doing. MY would not have put up w/it as long as NC. This is the first step in proving he is not looking out for CY's best interests. JMO.

[bookie]

It is not easy to remove a child from the only surviving parent. NC had made her family and friends aware of what BC was doing. MY would not have put up w/it as long as NC. This is the first step in proving he is not looking out for CY's best interests. JMO.

It's very easy to remove children from a surviving parent in NC. I even gave an example of a case in the same county. NC's friends contradicted each other left and right and some of their claims have been proven false but the judge took BC's kids away from him on the basis of those false claims.

We've seen stories on here from "friends" or people who claim to be friends telling how Jason tried to kill Michelle in the past. You know....the car accident that fooled police and the boat claim. So why aren't those "friends" providing statements for LF to get Cassidy away from the man she claims murdered her daughter?

[bookie]

Doorbell's post above explains that. I guess you posted this before you read it.




Doorbells post didn't answer anything. We have proof from the same county that courts take children away from survivng parents with little to no proof.

[dkny]

It's very easy to remove children from a surviving parent in NC. I even gave an example of a case in the same county. NC's friends contradicted each other left and right and some of their claims have been proven false but the judge took BC's kids away from him on the basis of those false claims.

We've seen stories on here from "friends" or people who claim to be friends telling how Jason tried to kill Michelle in the past. You know....the car accident that fooled police and the boat claim. So why aren't those "friends" providing statements for LF to get Cassidy away from the man she claims murdered her daughter?

I disagree w/you. LF first step to prove JY unfit is a WD suit which will open the door to the rest. LF is doing EXACTELY what she should be doing on behalf of MY and CY. Good for her. JMO. I have reminded NG, GVS re the updates on this case hopefully it will bring some attention to MY's case.

[Leanne Weich]

I believe the Sheriff's remarks in this link

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3897023/

make it clear that the only person being investigated is JLY.

[bookie]

I disagree w/you. LF first step to prove JY unfit is a WD suit which will open the door to the rest. LF is doing EXACTELY what she should be doing on behalf of MY and CY. Good for her. JMO. I have reminded NG, GVS re the updates on this case hopefully it will bring some attention to MY's case.


Disgareeing with me doesn't change the fact that getting custody is easy. It's been proven how easy it is.

[dkny]

In your opinion it is easy, in my opinion it is not. Circumstances are completely different. 11/06 JY was not a "suspect", 11/08 JY not a "suspect". BC was always a suspect. NC made family and friends aware of her situation and they were going through a divorce. The police also said that NC's situation of domestic violence was "very bad" the Cooper case is very different. JMO

[jerzeegirl]

I believe we now know that Linda Fisher has retained a lawyer in NC. For all we know she has been in contact with this lawyer for 2 years. This lawyer may have advised her about what steps to take with cassidy. Nancys children were living with brad and brad alone. Jason is living with his mother. Although it is my opinion, i do believe Jasons mother is the sole caretaker of cassidy. People here may think these cases are similar but there are differences that i see that would lead me to believe that the steps that Lindas lawyer have advised her to take, make sense to me in most ways. For all we know, removing custody from jason is in the works. I dont believe those kind of court cases are made public. All in time.

[dkny]

I couldn't disagree more. Nancy Cooper's family wasn't required to prove anything to receive emergency custody. All anyone ever has to do is tell a judge they have belief the kids are in danger. A wrongful death action could take years and there is no guarantee she'll win.

BC was suicidal. The WD case has nothing to do w/$ for LF, as the personal representative of MY's estate LF is bound to look out for the best interests of the estate and a WD suit on CY's behalf is what she is required to do or she would be negligent in her duty and therefore could be held responsible. NC's kids were not taken away for no reason, their primary caregiver and Mother was murdered, divorce was pending and accusations were brought forth by NC re BC's stability, he was also a suspect. JMO

[dkny]

IMO until she was appointed Executrix.

[Kat4Eagles]

What legal reason was there to wait to place a headstone?


None, and it is starting to become clearer that the Fishers thought it was more important to file this suit about $$ than to get C away from a
"murderer" or his accomplice.

I can not get it to link here.
SOS

:)
Kat

[JHP]

What legal reason was there to wait to place a headstone?


I'm sure J could have placed a Headstone anytime he wanted.

JMO

[dkny]

I'm sure J could have placed a Headstone anytime he wanted.

JMO

He did not pay for the funeral why would he pay for a headstone ? He would rather go to PR and Utah. JMO

[dkny]

Well then you need to correct your post about the shirt. You should know the burden of proof is much lower.

"Beyond a reasonable doubt" big difference IMO.

[Kat4Eagles]

http://www.newsobserver.com/167/story/1282877.html

[jerzeegirl]

well i truly believe there are steps being taken here, LF has a lawyer and i truly believe she is doing what her lawyer believes is in the best interest for cassidy. A custody case could be in the works as we speak and i believe that would not be a matter of public record. Look, noone on 'this" board new about the wds until it was publicly released. Not even gojo/kingcole.

[JHP]

He had no interest in the funeral plans or paying a cent.

I know that, I was just pointing it out to the new poster that J could have placed a headstone at any time.

He was done with Michelle as soon as he got in the car to drive back to his meeting.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

If a missing shirt proves Jason killed Michelle, he'd be behind bars right now awaiting trial.:rolleyes:


Exactly!!

Good call.!!

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Lawsuits are always about money. The Sheriff seems very interested in seeing how she intends to prove Jason did it.

Well, the level of proof is much lower in a civil suit,
I am not sure if I ever heard of one coming before the criminal suit, though.

Sounds like LF is "merely" staking a claim before anyone else does.

:confused:

Kat

[JHP]

Fisher's attorneys, Jack Michaels and Paul Michaels, said Wednesday their client wants to make sure Cassidy, now 4, is the sole heir to Michelle Young's estate.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3897023/

Yep, it is about $$$$$$
for Cassidy


Patrick, Do you know anything about these attorneys?

[Kat4Eagles]

Aren't you happy to see that CASSIDY is the beneficiary? Isn't it better than seeing Jason and Pat running around the country in matching snowsuits, or hanging out in caves on Michelle's dime? Of all people, I'd think you would be happy to know its all about Cassidy.


They would still be acting in her behalf though.

And, if they were so worried about her, they would have been removed her from Jason 2 years ago,

Or they might not have her around to file a suit for.
:rolleyes:

This suit is pure payback or punishment for what they can not get, an arrest.


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

A burden of proof does exist. A missing shirt LE waited over a year to look for isn't proof of murder. A missing shirt isn't enough "proof" to get an arrest warrant.

In a wrongful death case, proof of proximate cause of death is required. How can Fisher prove JY is 100% responsible for Michelle's death when there are shoeprints that don't match his?


Boy, you are good, and this new article from the News Observer also mentions the possibility of 2 killers, so that means they are still unsure!!

Welcome, Bob.



:)

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

While the level of proof is much lower, proof that Jason Young is 100% responsible is required. I don't believe LE will turn over their evidence to Fisher and I don't believe a court will order them to do so because the sheriff just said not all lab results are in and it's an ongoing investigation. I'm confused how Fisher's attorneys think they can prove 100% when there is a shoeprint that LE can't tie Jason to.


Well , we have to give the JDI's props !!

2 years into the investigation and all they can get is the civil case, cause their criminal case just isn't there.

And ,we only even got that, cause time was running out.

Anyone can file a suit, even win a judgement, good luck on collecting though.


Kat

[JHP]

Did the press conference happen?

[Wyn]

I know, I forgot KC..

Kat

:lol:

That was the best you could do? I take back my "Post of the Day" award. Better luck next time.

[Wyn]

Lawsuits are always about money. The Sheriff seems very interested in seeing how she intends to prove Jason did it.

Lawsuits are not always about money. Those people who think they are seem to be the ones who are always concerned about money. Funny, I saw the interview with Sheriff Harrison and he didn't seem very interested in "seeing how she intends to prove Jason did it". I think he already knows. Guess you're projecting again on two counts here. Oh wait, you're a "new" poster, right? :lol:

[jerzeegirl]

i dont understand why this lawsuit is viewed as a bad thing. C is very young. Anyone know how much a college education costs? I do, not cheap. The only reason jason didnt collect is for one or two reasons......He knew the LI company would not pay out to him or he didnt want to answer any questions that may have been asked in order to get the pay out. I know this is moo but its seems a bit obvious. He cashed in on the 401k, why not the LI. C deserves that money and Linda will get it for her because hes too scared to answer questions so he could get the money for her future. Its all about him. I still believe that pat young is the sole caretaker for C and im sure she loves C very much. And i truly believe that is the real reason why custody issues werent rushed here. But they may be now or in the near future.

[Wyn]

No, I'm not projecting. Why are you so afraid of facts? Civil lawsuits are always about money and this one makes it very clear the goal is money.

Seriously, are you that clueless? Sure, the suit is on the behalf of Cassidy to make sure she receives all monies from her mother's estate, but it's also a way to get things moving. Get Jason talking, or TRY to get him to talk. He has thirty days to respond. Just because there is money involved doesn't mean this is ABOUT money. :rolleyes:

[Wyn]

Don't wag your finger at me. You bet money was the goal of our lawsuit and it was filed at the request of the deceased. Financial punishment was the only punishment he could inflict and also ensure his elderly wife's future. Fisher's case is no different. Her goal is no different than our's.

Please explain how "deceased" people are able to request that lawsuits be filed on their behalf. Do their ghosts contact people directly? Do they contact John Edward and have him show up at the families homes with instructions to file?

You are definitely projecting because you just admitted money was your goal.

[jerzeegirl]

yes, it asks the court to conclude Jason is either the killer or an accessory. That's quite a broad request. It will be interesting to see if Jason files a counter-claim against Fisher.


now thats hysterical

[Wyn]

Money is also Fisher's goal according to her lawsuit.

In answer to your insensitive and dumb question: the deceased made his request on his deathbed in the ICU.

Money is not the ONLY goal, nor the most important goal. Unlike your suit apparently.

My question was neither insensitive nor dumb. Perhaps you need to consider properly wording your posts because deceased people don't request anything. They're DEAD. Perhaps you intended to post DYING instead of deceased? :shrug:

[Wyn]

I'm just being realistic and don't believe there will be a Perry Mason moment. Jason's response will be from his attorney, not him. How does it get things moving if Jason talks and says he was in Viriginia? I believe he's already said as much to LE. Fisher has to prove he was in Raleigh or that he conspired with somebody else. Who?


Gee, really, no "Perry Mason" moment? Of course not, this is real life and not a television show. I think everyone knows that Jason's attorney will be responding for him. :D (Raise your hand if you thought his mother was going to write a note for him.) Jason can pretty much say what he wants but, when he gets into court a jury will decide if they believe him, or believe what evidence has been collected that points towards him as the murderer. Guess we'll just wait and see. If he had help, my first choice is still Kim.

[Kat4Eagles]

While the level of proof is much lower, proof that Jason Young is 100% responsible is required. I don't believe LE will turn over their evidence to Fisher and I don't believe a court will order them to do so because the sheriff just said not all lab results are in and it's an ongoing investigation. I'm confused how Fisher's attorneys think they can prove 100% when there is a shoeprint that LE can't tie Jason to.


Okay, it makes sense now.

It is not so much proving it, as it is getting it filed in the time period allowed.

It is more or less to make it publicly known , or a formality.

Got it.!!
Finally.

Kat

[jerzeegirl]

Well, so far, the JII's have been totally wrong about everything so I imagine it will pan out the exact opposite of what you are predicting.


yeah, reinya was saying yesterday that LE was at the cemetary memorial basically to investigate meredith. LOL, reinya is no longer with us i see.

[Wyn]

yeah, reinya was saying yesterday that LE was at the cemetary memorial basically to investigate meredith. LOL, reinya is no longer with us i see.

:biggrin:

I guess reinya would know because she was there? Nah, didn't think so. Maybe the detective called and updated her? Nah, I don't think he did that either. He's a very nice person. ;)

Too bad that when someone reincarnates the ignore feature doesn't automatically apply. Uh oh, maybe Bob is right, the deceased CAN talk. At least here!

[dkny]

yes, it asks the court to conclude Jason is either the killer or an accessory. That's quite a broad request. It will be interesting to see if Jason files a counter-claim against Fisher.

What would be the basis for a counter claim ?

[Wyn]

What would be the basis for a counter claim ?

Even I want to hear this one. Public embarrassment? Putting in a public affidavit that they think Jason is a murderer? Letting the public know that he didn't pay for either his wife's funeral or her headstone?

[dkny]

I know we have touched on murder for hire a few times in the past, the unidentified DNA that could not rule out JY, was it specifically stated what type of dna ?

[Wyn]

I know we have touched on murder for hire a few times in the past, the unidentified DNA that could not rule out JY, was it specifically stated what type of dna ?

I don't recall it ever being stated as to what type. I wonder if that has something to do with the forensic info that Sheriff Harrison said they were still waiting on?

[Cardinal]

yes, it asks the court to conclude Jason is either the killer or an accessory. That's quite a broad request. It will be interesting to see if Jason files a counter-claim against Fisher.

How do you counterclaim in a wrongful death suit?

[alter ego]

How do you counterclaim in a wrongful death suit?

Same way you file a WD suit - a counterclaim is simply a claim the defendent makes against the plaintiff.

[Cardinal]

Same way you file a WD suit - a counterclaim is simply a claim the defendent makes against the plaintiff.

The plaintiff in the WD suit is the Executrix of Michelle's estate. What counterclaim is possible?

[alter ego]

I'm just going by my own experience as a plaintiff in such a lawsuit. Damages are awarded based on proximate cause. I'm very interested in JY's attorney's response to all this. Fisher's attorney held a press conference so their agenda might just be publicity for themselves.I'm sure the response will be a motion to dismiss.

What will more interesting is what proof the plaintiff offers for her claims.

[Cardinal]

I'm sure the response will be a motion to dismiss.

What will more interesting is what proof the plaintiff offers for her claims.

"Proof" isn't required until trial. The WD suit is a long way from trial, imo.

As for a motion to dismiss......on what grounds?

[alter ego]

The plaintiff in the WD suit is the Executrix of Michelle's estate. What counterclaim is possible?That the claim she filed amounts to defamation, liable, slander, invasion of privacy, that the tort action has caused emotional distress to the defendant or that it is vexatious in purpose.

[Cardinal]

That the claim she filed amounts to defamation, liable, slander, invasion of privacy, that the tort action has caused emotional distress to the defendant or that it is vexatious in purpose.

I suppose anyone can claim anything - if they can find an attorney willing to support it. But the fact of the matter is, it is the responsibility of the personal representative of an estate to file a WD suit in any situation in which the decedent died of anything other than natural causes. So I don't see that playing in court.

The rights of the decedent take precedence over privacy.


JMO

[alter ego]

"Proof" isn't required until trial. The WD suit is a long way from trial, imo.

As for a motion to dismiss......on what grounds?"representations of fact are neither fact or admissible opinion testimony"

[Barbara2]

That the claim she filed amounts to defamation, liable, slander, invasion of privacy, that the tort action has caused emotional distress to the defendant or that it is vexatious in purpose.

The only thing that matters is what can be supported by evidence. IMO

[alter ego]

I suppose anyone can claim anything - if they can find an attorney willing to support it. But the fact of the matter is, it is the responsibility of the personal representative of an estate to file a WD suit in any situation in which the decedent died of anything other than natural causes. So I don't see that playing in court.

The rights of the decedent take precedence over privacy.


JMOBut filing against the correct person is what is at issue in light of no criminal proceedings to shore up the claims of liability.

One would think so, but such countersuits have been filed. Some with success I imagine.

[alter ego]

The only thing that matters is what can be supported by evidence. IMOUh huh.

Wonder what Linda plans on using.

[Barbara2]

Uh huh.

Wonder what Linda plans on using.

I have a good idea what Linda plans on using. I'm much more interested in what Jason plans on using.

[Cardinal]

But filing against the correct person is what is at issue in light of no criminal proceedings to shore up the claims of liability.

One would think so, but such countersuits have been filed. Some with success I imagine.

It will be the responsibility of the jury to determine whether or not the suit was filed against the correct person. Honestly, I wouldn't bet the farm.

Maybe there have been some successful countersuits. But since Linda Fisher has just now been appointed Executrix, I seriously doubt there are claims against her in that capacity which could withstand the burden of proof.

JMO

[alter ego]

You were the plaintiff in such a lawsuit, well maybe that's why you're adamant that the goal is ALWAYS about money. But, in this case Linda Fisher is looking towards her granddaughters' future, and continuing on with what Michelle had in mind for Cassidy. Like I always say, don't judge everyone else by how you act... :no:
Civil suits are only about money. $$'s for liability.

[Barbara2]

Civil suits are only about money. $$'s for liability.

I think you're wrong. Sometimes it's about the principle. The money is secondary to the cause of making a point.

[alter ego]

It will be the responsibility of the jury to determine whether or not the suit was filed against the correct person. Honestly, I wouldn't bet the farm.

Maybe there have been some successful countersuits. But since Linda Fisher has just now been appointed Executrix, I seriously doubt there are claims against her in that capacity which could withstand the burden of proof.

JMOJury? No, a civil judge can dismiss on lack of evidence before a jury is ever seated. If there isn't evidence to back the claim, then logic dictates the claim was made against the wrong person.

Linda Fisher was just now appointed executrix? By whom?

[Cardinal]

I think you're wrong. Sometimes it's about the principle. The money is secondary to the cause of making a point.

Unfortunately, the civil justice system requires that a dollar value be placed upon loss - whether or not it's about that at all.

[Cardinal]

Jury? No, a civil judge can dismiss on lack of evidence before a jury is ever seated. If there isn't evidence to back the claim, then logic dictates the claim was made against the wrong person.

Linda Fisher was just now appointed executrix? By whom?

By the Wake County CSC, according to the news reports.

[dkny]

I don't recall it ever being stated as to what type. I wonder if that has something to do with the forensic info that Sheriff Harrison said they were still waiting on?


That is what I was thinking about, I know there are alot of different types of DNA w/regard to mitochon maternal/paternal, dna from bones or virus/bacteria on/in the skin etc.. They have JY's and MY's and I am sure others who co-operated and gave samples, maternal mito would be easiest to trace and next paternal, which has me thinking possible relative to JY not a sibling but a cousin from either maternal or paternal side ? JMO.

[Barbara2]

Unfortunately, the civil justice system requires that a dollar value be placed upon loss - whether or not it's about that at all.
Oh, I know. I was just thinking in terms of my own lawsuit against a home builder. The total amount was $10, 000. We got back all but 7% but by the time we paid the lawyer, there wasn't much left so it wasn't about the money. It was about being right and the builder being wrong. And he paid a lot more for his lawyer than we paid for ours so it was definitely worth it in terms of the suffering that he endured. That was worth more than any money I received.

[Cardinal]

Oh, I know. I was just thinking in terms of my own lawsuit against a home builder. The total amount was $10, 000. We got back all but 7% but by the time we paid the lawyer, there wasn't much left so it wasn't about the money. It was about being right and the builder being wrong. And he paid a lot more for his lawyer than we paid for ours so it was definitely worth it in terms of the suffering that he endured. That was worth more than any money I received.

I know you know. I just don't think everyone does. :)

[alter ego]

I think you're wrong. Sometimes it's about the principle. The money is secondary to the cause of making a point.
I know I'm right. You are wrong. A lawsuit is filed to assign a legal remedy. 'Making a point' is not a legal remedy.

[Barbara2]

I know I'm right. You are wrong. A lawsuit is filed to assign a legal remedy. 'Making a point' is not a legal remedy.

It was for me! :cool:

[alter ego]

Oh, I know. I was just thinking in terms of my own lawsuit against a home builder. The total amount was $10, 000. We got back all but 7% but by the time we paid the lawyer, there wasn't much left so it wasn't about the money. It was about being right and the builder being wrong. And he paid a lot more for his lawyer than we paid for ours so it was definitely worth it in terms of the suffering that he endured. That was worth more than any money I received.So you filed a frivilous law suit and intentionally caused another to suffer for your own gain. barf

No wonder the courts are so clogged.

[alter ego]

It was for me! :cool:Nothing like wasting the courts time and abusing the legal system. How patriotic.

[Barbara2]

So you filed a frivilous law suit and intentionally caused another to suffer for your own gain.

No wonder the courts are so clogged.

No. I filed a lawsuit because a big business homebuilder was trying to screw me over. I didn't think he should get away with it. Apparently I was right because I won and he lost. Hopefully he thought twice before he tried to cheat another innocent home buyer.

[Barbara2]

Nothing like wasting the courts time and abusing the legal system. How patriotic.

And once again, you have NO idea what you're talking about.

[alter ego]

By the Wake County CSC, according to the news reports.:confused:
The Wake County Child Services Coordination assigned an executrix? Do you have a link?

[alter ego]

And once again, you have NO idea what you're talking about.
And once again, you are wrong.

[Barbara2]

And once again, you are wrong.

Why? Because I took on a big business cheater and won? You think that's wrong??? (You should probably quit while you are behind.)

[alter ego]

No. I filed a lawsuit because a big business homebuilder was trying to screw me over. I didn't think he should get away with it. Apparently I was right because I won and he lost. Hopefully he thought twice before he tried to cheat another innocent home buyer.Then it was for money and not to 'make a point'. According to your own words, you were cheated and screwed over and you sought a legal remedy by filing a claim for $$$$.

Now please, get back on topic, which isn't your woes in life.

TIA.

[dkny]

Can you link to a court document that legally
guarantees any money extorted will go directly
to Cassie's bank account that no one can touch
or does poor Cassie have to rely on Linda's 'promise'?

Linda might as well 'promise' she is Santa's wife.

==Kingcole

It is in suit for CY as the sole bene that is how the sett or Judgment will read and the LI policy proceeds will go to the sole ben, CY in this case. Ins co's and Court Clerks are real sticklers about this, they will protect themselves to the fullest. JMO

[Wyn]

I hope you are advising the lawyers about the shirt. The cops know better.


Still don't quite understand the Wrongful Death part, do you? Or are you just throwing stuff out again to see if anything sticks? If YOU had a clue what LE knew you wouldn't be here trolling for info.

How long do you think it'll be before Jason's attorney advises him to avoid you? Or has it already happened since you didn't know what was coming down? Is Pat Young avoiding you and your wife like the plague now? Maybe Pat Young can sue you for the bad advice you've given them? Didn't you brag you were the one who suggested Pat Young call NCWanted?

Too bad Jason won't tell you where the shirt is but I have a theory. Didn't he head through TN on his three state tour the day Michelle was murdered? Maybe Linda's attorney will question him on the route he took that day. Maybe he'll take the fifth to avoid incriminating himself or someone else? Interesting.

[gbmy]

When asked how the wds would affect the criminal case, Sheriff Donnie Harrison says "I can’t say if it’s help or hurt,". Many months ago when asked about JY's whereabouts he says "Well, here's been in certain places at certain times".

Donnie, don't share information that would jeopardize the investigation, but say 'something' that has a shred of substance. Geez.

[alter ego]

One big concern is will anyone be so foolish as to charge him in a criminal trial when he is found innocent in a civil trial ?
That's assuming it ever gets to verdict.

[Wyn]

Can you link to a court document that legally
guarantees any money extorted will go directly
to Cassie's bank account that no one can touch
or does poor Cassie have to rely on Linda's 'promise'?

Linda might as well 'promise' she is Santa's wife.

==Kingcole

And here we have resounding proof that KC and the Youngs care nothing about the facts in the case, all KC and the Youngs care about is the money. Greedy Brevardians. Concerned about the money. Maybe Pat Young thinks if the money goes to Cassidy, Jason goes to Jail, she keeps Cassidy and gets her hands on the money after all. Is that the plan KC? IF not, why are YOU so worried about the money?

Did you read the affidavit? The money is going to Cassidy, no matter how you and the greedy Youngs try and spin it. And the bright side is that Jason will be taken to court and he cant plead the fifth and still prove his guilt, because why else would he NOT speak? I'll be there are some worried (yet greedy) people in Brevard. Who was waiting for Jason to get his hands on the money, KC. Were you getting a cut too? Maybe for your "legal advice"?

[gbmy]

There's been a lot of discussion in the past about how wrong it was for JY to not have attended the various memorials for Michelle. I've always asserted that although it's clearly the right thing to do for a loved one, when your deceased wife's parents think you're the killer, I'm probably not going to put myself in that situation. Probably not going to drop their granddaughter off either for an afternoon of bonding time.

[Wyn]

When asked how the wds would affect the criminal case, Sheriff Donnie Harrison says "I can’t say if it’s help or hurt,". Many months ago when asked about JY's whereabouts he says "Well, here's been in certain places at certain times".

Donnie, don't share information that would jeopardize the investigation, but say 'something' that has a shred of substance. Geez.

Why should he say anything publicly? None of us have the right to know what's happening in the investigation until someone is charged. Or goes to court in a WD suit. ;) Have some patience. LE shared info with Linda, how do you think she knows enough to proclaim Jason Young as the murderer? Have some patience. When Jason goes to court you'll hear plenty.

[alter ego]

It is a very great possibility that LE gets the missing puzzle piece they need from the deps taken. I remember OJ stating he would not wear "those ugly a_ _ shoes" and in the civil trial they had pictures of him wearing "those ugly a_ _ shoes". JMO
Not if Jason pleas the 5th.

[Wyn]

There's been a lot of discussion in the past about how wrong it was for JY to not have attended the various memorials for Michelle. I've always asserted that although it's clearly the right thing to do for a loved one, when your deceased wife's parents think you're the killer, I'm probably not going to put myself in that situation. Probably not going to drop their granddaughter off either for an afternoon of bonding time.

If he had attended memorials for Michelle, and had allowed the Fishers to see Cassidy, not returned the Christmas presents, etc. doubt Jason would be headed down the WD suit road right now. Guess if you decide to kill your wife, you'll know better.

[Wyn]

Had he cooperated with LE, maybe he would not have appeared so guilty.

Is it just me, or does it seem that all of Jason's supporters seem to have family dynamics issues? I think I'm beginning to see a pattern. No idea of what is "normal".

:shrug:

[jerzeegirl]

Can you link to a court document that legally
guarantees any money extorted will go directly
to Cassie's bank account that no one can touch
or does poor Cassie have to rely on Linda's 'promise'?

Linda might as well 'promise' she is Santa's wife.

==Kingcole

so you are saying linda is extorting monies???
wow you sure dont know anything about civil lawsuits

[alter ego]

If he had attended memorials for Michelle, and had allowed the Fishers to see Cassidy, not returned the Christmas presents, etc. doubt Jason would be headed down the WD suit road right now. Guess if you decide to kill your wife, you'll know better.Oh, so performing all those actions make him innocent.

Not performing those actions makes him declared a killer in a WD suit.

It's sure to be tossed then.

[gbmy]

Had he cooperated with LE, maybe he would not have appeared so guilty.
I agree that in the eyes of the general public, remaining silent makes it appear that you have something to hide. But, regardless of the perception of guilt or innocence, cooperation or lack of cooperation, MY's mother clearly sees him as the murderer. The wds removes any doubt.

[alter ego]

Absolutely. I thought the search warrants would slow them down, but no, they still stand by him, then I thought for sure the WDS would slow them down, but still, they defend him. I just don't get it.

No "innocent" man would behave the way Jason has. Yet, they still see him as some sort of GOD.
Do you have any proof that no innocent man would behave the way Jason has.

[gbmy]

Why should he say anything publicly? None of us have the right to know what's happening in the investigation until someone is charged. Or goes to court in a WD suit. ;) Have some patience. LE shared info with Linda, how do you think she knows enough to proclaim Jason Young as the murderer? Have some patience. When Jason goes to court you'll hear plenty.
He'd be better off simply saying 'I'd prefer not to comment' then offering up lame statements like 'he's been in certain places at certain times'. I think you're right in that the reason I make this point is partially due to lack of patience. 2 years is a long time. But, as Donnie says, "he wants to solve it sooner rather than later"! (sorry, couldn't resist!) :):)

[gbmy]

If he had attended memorials for Michelle, and had allowed the Fishers to see Cassidy, not returned the Christmas presents, etc. doubt Jason would be headed down the WD suit road right now. Guess if you decide to kill your wife, you'll know better.Gosh, I sure hope LF's case is a bit stronger then the 'highlights' you've provided here.

[alter ego]

I agree that in the eyes of the general public, remaining silent makes it appear that you have something to hide. But, regardless of the perception of guilt or innocence, cooperation or lack of cooperation, MY's mother clearly sees him as the murderer. The wds removes any doubt.If that were the case, she would not have left herself some wiggle room by saying he was either the killer or an accessory.

[Wyn]

You are so always right! I know nothing about civil lawsuits. I do know something about attempted legal extortion.

Have you "attempted legal extortion" before? Since the WD suit CLEARLY states the monies received in the suit from Michelle's estate go to Cassidy, no one but an idiot would believe your phony attempts at libeling the Fishers, yet again.

You do seem really concerned about the money though. Why is the money important to you? It's not like you would receive any of it any way, would you? Or you thinking you might get around, say, fifty thousand dollars when Jason or Pat Young got their hands on Cassidy's money? You do know it's Cassidy's money don't you? Not Pat Youngs, not Jason's since he murdered Michelle, and certainly not yours. Take the dollar signs out of your eyes.

[alter ego]

I think you're probably right but his attorney might decide toss out something into the public arena because this is an unsolved, high profile murder. JY could just as easily accuse his mother-in-law of the same things she's accused him. Wouldn't that be interesting?Now that would be a counterclaim to beat all counterclaims.

[Barbara2]

Wrongful Death lawsuits are ALWAYS about money. It is the estate bringing the action and the estate receiving the money.

You can say that from your own experience but you can't discount the fact that someone else may not care about the money but may be more interested in making a statement. You can't say that isn't the real reason unless you are the person filing suit. IMO

[Wyn]

You can say that from your own experience but you can't discount the fact that someone else may not care about the money but may be more interested in making a statement. You can't say that isn't the real reason unless you are the person filing suit. IMO


Don't you like the fact that the affidavit clearly states any monies will go to Cassidy, and they just conveniently forget that a civil suit can begat a criminal suit? :)

[Barbara2]

I filed a wrongful death lawsuit as the Personal Representative to the estate of the deceased. I wasn't a recipient of the money. I have never seen a wrongful death lawsuit filed by a PR who doesn't care about the money. Fisher asks for compensatory damages, she asks for punitive damages AND insurance proceeds that aren't part of the estate. You can deny, deny, deny all you like but her court filing makes it clear her goal is money.

I think if that were true, she would have filed it two years ago. She waited until the very last minute because she wants the killer of her daughter to pay for the crime. I have to believe that she would prefer that the killer pay through the criminal court system and life in prison but if that fails, at least the killer will not get off completely free. IMO

[Leanne Weich]

Normal human behavior. If he loved her so....why hide from LE? Why not tell them all he could? Why not attend the memorials? Why not offer a reward? Why not make a public plea?

Why not honor Michelle by claiming the $1 000 000 LIP obviously set in place for the benefit of not only himself but his daughter too?

[dkny]

Not if Jason pleas the 5th.

If a criminal trial happens first he can not, I do not remember the name of the ins co the LI is through but if it is an SRO he can not take the fifth. LF seems to have really good legal advice, I bet the LI company is an SRO under Fed Off Private Ins. JMO

[dkny]

Sure, he can file a counter claim. That's perfectly legal.

How ? LF is bound too. JMO

[Barbara2]

If Jason Young is arrested for the crime, then his daughter becomes the beneficiary by default. No wrongful death action needed and no need for Linda Fisher to insert herself at all into the probate process.

What's interesting to me is that the $1 million insurance proceeds haven't been paid out yet. It's not a motive until a claim is made. As it stands today, the only person who has made a claim on the money is Linda Fisher.


Linda was facing a deadline. If she had waited, Jason could have filed for the LI and there would have been nothing Linda could have done about it. But you knew that. You didn't need me to tell you, right?

[dkny]

Prudental is the carrier
sold to CPA association members on the net

Prudential is one of the largest life ins co' s it probably is an SRO. JMO

[Barbara2]

Jason can still make a claim on the insurance proceeds and place it all in trust for his daughter. Fisher's lawsuit doesn't prevent that from happening tomorrow or any time. Filing a lawsuit doesn't automatically mean she's immediately won it. I guess you didn't know that, right?

Of course I did, silly boy!

[Jules2]

Jason can still make a claim on the insurance proceeds and place it all in trust for his daughter. Fisher's lawsuit doesn't prevent that from happening tomorrow or any time. Filing a lawsuit doesn't automatically mean she's immediately won it. I guess you didn't know that, right?



Sheesh! Talk about twisting Barbara2's post around to suit your agenda.

Of course Jason could make a claim. He hasn't as of yet, which is rather puzzling, but taking in to consideration he would have to answer some questions, I can see why he hasn't.


Barbara was merely pointing out that Linda had a deadline in which to file, so she filed. Simple as that. We all know that she hasn't won the lawsuit (yet).

Keep twisting...it's getting rather comical IMO

[jerzeegirl]

He should pay but only if he was responsible. He shouldn't and won't pay just because his MIL wants him guilty so she can seize control of his child's inheritance.

What evidence is there that Michelle's estate isn't secure for Cassidy? What evidence is there that the insurance proceeds won't benefit Cassidy? Hasn't Jason been responsible for her healthcare, food, shelter, clothes, daycare the past two years?


well being that JY hasnt collected the LI money i believe that LF definitely should sue him and be able to collect that money for C. C deserves that money, her mother was the bread winner in that family, they lived in a beautiful home and im sure if Michele lived till C was in college, Michele would have made sure she had a good college education. JY is unemployed, living with his mom and refuses to collect that money because he was prolly told NOT to by his lawyer. Well too dang bad, C deserves that money for her future, she doesnt have her mother there to provide for her future and I hope dang well LF wins this case.

[dkny]

He should pay but only if he was responsible. He shouldn't and won't pay just because his MIL wants him guilty so she can seize control of his child's inheritance.

What evidence is there that Michelle's estate isn't secure for Cassidy? What evidence is there that the insurance proceeds won't benefit Cassidy? Hasn't Jason been responsible for her healthcare, food, shelter, clothes, daycare the past two years?


He can't keep a steady job. Cobra is expensive and he has let the LI $ sit for 2 years making no $, his parents provide shelter. JY has a histroy....JMO

[Cardinal]

If I may clarify a few technicalities here:

The WD suit was filed by Linda Fisher in her capacity as Executrix, NOT by her individually. I don't believe it's possible to counterclaim WD against the Executrix in her official capacity.

Jason can't file a WD suit against LF because he's not the PR and has no standing to file it.

Unless someone has proof that the LI is payable to Jason, it's possible that it's payable to the estate - in which case it's a part of the probate estate and falls under the control of the Executrix. It's also possible that the LI referenced is Michelle's employer-provided LI, which may be payable to her estate.

Hope this helps. :biggrin:


P.S. to AE: CSC = Clerk of Superior Court, who has jurisdiction over all probate matters, including qualifying the PR of an estate.

[dkny]

yet he's managed to take vacations to the Caribbean, mountains, etc? I wonder how much of that history is fact and what is fiction?

Did not pay for his wife's funeral or headstone, went to the carribean etc.. Wonder if MY's 401 K he cashed in paid for it, you would think the least he could do is spend MY's 401 K on her headstone and funeral, Oh that's right MY could not die by strangulation she had to "bother" him and fight back causing a mess of everything so he could not claim the LI so the least he should get out of it is a few vacations funded by MY's 401. JMHO.

[dkny]

If that is true, Jason's attorney will probably cite it as good reason to dismiss the case.

When a minor is the sole bene of a suit or estate this case will not be dismissed as LF is bound to bring the case on CY's behalf. JMO

[HI_CYCLE]

wow. Thanks for the link. That's a libel lawsuit waiting to happen.
GME1, I agree,if libel exist in our judicial system, this is and should be a open and shut case. This board is still open to the public, unreal...
I really can not believe that LF has filed this WDS. Some of you keep using the excuse,it was her duty as executrix of Michelle`s estate, to file. Let`s remember,if rumor is true, Michelle Young did NOT ask her mother to be the executrix. LF applied to the COC for it.
It appears,IMO, LF went behind Cassidy`s father back and filed this LS. How will Cassidy feel about a grandmother,who has publicly, called her father a murderer?? Do you think this child would want this??? I don`t. If this child could make the decision what would she do??? If LF loses this case in court, Cassidy,LF daughter`s, daughter will NEVER have contact with any of her mother`s family again. What a price to pay. The way this WDLS was filed,is a disgrace. Why be so deceitful about the filing? NO, LF did not think JY would flee,that is BS.Deceit is the lowest a person can go.If you don`t have the guts to do something up front,in the open,you have NO backbone.
Cassidy will learn the truth and in this case,it will spawn hate in the heart of a little girl she will never overcome. Cassidy will NOT be able to mourn and deal with the pain of losing her Mom because this LS will be drawn out in the courts,discussed at the dinner table and around every cook out. Cassidy was NOT IMO, the reason this LS was filed.
These are my thoughts and feelings, I will not defend them on a public message board.
:rose: for Cassidy, the forgotten.

[HI_CYCLE]

WYN WROTE:: "You should be ashamed of yourself. You brag about that huge family you have and how you are a great grandmother. I bet they'd be really embarrassed if they knew of your oline smears."
Please don`t start making posts here personal. Both sides have a right to post their own feelings without fear of a poster coming back and getting personal. PLEASE.

[Wyn]

GME1, I agree,if libel exist in our judicial system, this is and should be a open and shut case. This board is still open to the public, unreal...
I really can not believe that LF has filed this WDS. Some of you keep using the excuse,it was her duty as executrix of Michelle`s estate, to file. Let`s remember,if rumor is true, Michelle Young did NOT ask her mother to be the executrix. LF applied to the COC for it.
It appears,IMO, LF went behind Cassidy`s father back and filed this LS. How will Cassidy feel about a grandmother,who has publicly, called her father a murderer?? Do you think this child would want this??? I don`t. If this child could make the decision what would she do??? If LF loses this case in court, Cassidy,LF daughter`s, daughter will NEVER have contact with any of her mother`s family again. What a price to pay. The way this WDLS was filed,is a disgrace. Why be so deceitful about the filing? NO, LF did not think JY would flee,that is BS.Deceit is the lowest a person can go.If you don`t have the guts to do something up front,in the open,you have NO backbone.
Cassidy will learn the truth and in this case,it will spawn hate in the heart of a little girl she will never overcome. Cassidy will NOT be able to mourn and deal with the pain of losing her Mom because this LS will be drawn out in the courts,discussed at the dinner table and around every cook out. Cassidy was NOT IMO, the reason this LS was filed.
These are my thoughts and feelings, I will not defend them on a public message board.
:rose: for Cassidy, the forgotten.


Yet another clueless post. I cannot believe that you don't have some idea of who would be prosecuted for libel. Some of the winners are right here, hanging with you, defending a murderer.

You and the rest of your buds don't seem to understand what's even going on here. Of course, you'd love for Jason to get his hands on the LI. He could continue of lifestyle of taking his mother on vacations, not even have to worry about a job, just fritter Cassidy's future away. No one is going to hire him and in a few years, all of Cassidy's inheritance would be gone. Linda Fisher has taken the steps she needs to, not only to secure Cassidy's future, but to force Jason into answering some questions that he has refused to answer.

There was no deceit in filing. Just wishful thinking on your part. Why would you think he didn't know? Maybe the question you should be asking is why Jason didn't dispute it? The funny thing is posters like you coming to message board with your self righteous claims to nothing because that's what you know, nothing.

You're right about Cassidy learning the truth about this case and it will "spawn hate". By the time Cassidy is old enough to know the truth she will hate her father for murdering her mother, she will hate Pat Young for the way she has behaved and supported her murdering father, she will hate the Youngs for trying to prevent the Fishers from seeing her, she will hate learning that they even went so far as returning a child's Christmas presents that were sent solely for her. She will hate the Youngs so called friends for the libelious posts made on these boards. And she will hate people like you who have the audacity to make posts, such as yours above, condemning the one woman who is seeking justice for the murder of her mother and her unborn brother.

Of course you won't defend your thoughts and feelings, you don't have any real logic with which to defend them! You're still waiting for that rubber tree plant to move its self. :biggrin:

Justice for Michelle and Rylan has begun! :rose:

[annalyzer]

snip~
Jason was let go because he was a murder suspect and the businesses that he visited didn't want him there. .

Last I heard no one had been named a suspect.

[Wyn]

WYN WROTE:: "You should be ashamed of yourself. You brag about that huge family you have and how you are a great grandmother. I bet they'd be really embarrassed if they knew of your oline smears."
Please don`t start making posts here personal. Both sides have a right to post their own feelings without fear of a poster coming back and getting personal. PLEASE.

She talks endlessly about her children, her grandchildren, her great grandchildren falling out of chairs. And you think I'm making it personal?:lol: Funny! Good try though, and I'm impressed you used the word "PLEASE".

[Wyn]

Last I heard no one had been named a suspect.

:biggrin:

LE never names a "suspect" anymore, remember the bombing at the Atlanta Olympics and the lawsuit that followed because they named a suspect and it turned out he was innocent. We all know that you are smart enough to know that Jason is a suspect though, don't we?

Hope this helps. ;)


"Investigators for the Wake County Sheriff's Office have stated on a consistent basis that they have diligently worked to rule out all possible suspects, but they have not been able to rule out Jason Young."

http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/story/3905707/

Now, there's your opportunity to start in on how NCWanted isn't a "real" news program. Have fun!

[Wyn]

Since it appears most of the JII's don't really understand the filing of the WD Suit, here's the link for you again. Might I suggest you all do a little reading? Someone will be along later to correct any more of your misconceptions, rumors, blah, blah, blah. :read:


http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/11/04/3893878/Linda_Fisher_wrongful_death_lawsuit_against_Jason_ Young.pdf

Try not to libel too many innocent people while I'm away. :seeya:

Justice for Michelle and Rylan is finally on it's way!! :rose:

[HI_CYCLE]

Since it appears most of the JII's don't really understand the filing of the WD Suit, here's the link for you again. Might I suggest you all do a little reading? Someone will be along later to correct any more of your misconceptions, rumors, blah, blah, blah. :read:


http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/11/04/3893878/Linda_Fisher_wrongful_death_lawsuit_against_Jason_ Young.pdf

Try not to libel too many innocent people while I'm away. :seeya:

Justice for Michelle and Rylan is finally on it's way!! :rose:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/wake/story/1284198.html

Don Beskind, a Raleigh attorney who also teaches law classes at Duke University, said cases like these are generally filed in order to make sure that culprits don't benefit from their crimes. North Carolina law allows such wrongful-death suits, but they rarely occur in cases without a named suspect, Beskind said.
"Anyone represented by counsel would never answer questions," Beskind said.

[Kat4Eagles]

Last I heard no one had been named a suspect.




Not only that, but the case was not sent to the DA's office as a poster promised it was !!

It is very much still an ongoing investigation and Donnie is still in charge and answering questions.

Hope this helps too.


Kat

[HI_CYCLE]

Not only that, but the case was not sent to the DA's office as a poster promised it was !!

It is very much still an ongoing investigation and Donnie is still in charge and answering questions.

Hope this helps too.


Kat

GM Kat, I notice that to. Looks like Donnie and the DA needs to get on the same page. Is there any communication between the Sheriff of Wake County and the DA`s office?

[im4justice]

My, oh my ,oh my ,the news of the wrongful death suit sure has some people in a tail spin
So IF Jason is the primary beneficiary of a million dollar policy and Cassidy contigent, Jason could literally squander all that money without a cent left for Cassidy. Where's her protection? Glad someone is looking out for her.
Ironic that the same legal system that has afforded Jason the right to remain silent is now going to turn around and bite him in the ...:biggrin:
Where's Kat Isn't she the unofficial countdowner? 30 days to respond Now what is it 29? 28? Kat??

Justice for Michele and Rylan:rose:

[im4justice]

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. If one of these killers spills about this murder to someone and they tell I wonder if LE would try and cover it up? If LE found the jewelry somewhere would they except the explanation for it being there? Wonder when this question will be answered?

Answer No

Now sit down June this may come as a shock but some people do have a conscience
By and large LE don't in my opinion don't become LE to screw people over .I don't think it's the motivating factor to enter that profession
IMO

[im4justice]

Wonder what the special auditor will find when he goes over Cassie's trust fund? Wonder who was taking care of that for Cassie?

What special auditor?

[dkny]

I think when this is all said and done with there will be a scandal in Raleigh and Wake County bigger than Nifong . A crime scene is found with 2 bloody footprints. One a size 10 that we know for sure. The other could be a hush puppie like the one Jason bought. No size was ever given for this print. wake County Law goes after the husband. They try for 2 years to get him to fit the profile of this murder. In the mean time the real killers and I do think there were 2 get every thing all cleaned up. If one of these killers spills about this murder to someone and they tell I wonder if LE would try and cover it up? If LE found the jewelry somewhere would they except the explanation for it being there? Wonder when this question will be answered?

Sounds like very wishful thinking, what does the Duke case have to do w/MY's case, there is no comparision at all. JMO

[dkny]

Wonder what the special auditor will find when he goes over Cassie's trust fund? Wonder who was taking care of that for Cassie?

CY's trust is taken care of by, I believe, Suntrust. If anything was out of line the bank would be repsonsible for the handling of same. JMO

[im4justice]

Its my understanding that Cassie's trust is being audited for evidence in the WDS. The jury is going to want to know how well it was taken care of. Its called evidence.

Your understanding??????????????
If there was any type of audit I believe it would have been done quite awhile ago and surely you of all people would have heard looong looong ago if there had been any improprieties
IMO

[Barbara2]

Please don`t start making posts here personal. Both sides have a right to post their own feelings without fear of a poster coming back and getting personal. PLEASE.

Perhaps you should direct that post to june. She makes it personal everyday. June lives in NC. Maybe it was herself or one of her children involved in this crime. Maybe that's why she goes after the Fishers, because she wants to take the focus off of her own family. That makes as much sense as her insistence that Mrs. Fisher is somehow at fault for the death of her daughter or that Meredith had something to do with it. IMO

[bookie]

:biggrin:

LE never names a "suspect" anymore, remember the bombing at the Atlanta Olympics and the lawsuit that followed because they named a suspect and it turned out he was innocent. We all know that you are smart enough to know that Jason is a suspect though, don't we?

Hope this helps. ;)


"Investigators for the Wake County Sheriff's Office have stated on a consistent basis that they have diligently worked to rule out all possible suspects, but they have not been able to rule out Jason Young."

http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/story/3905707/

Now, there's your opportunity to start in on how NCWanted isn't a "real" news program. Have fun!


I hate to burst your bubble but police do name suspects all the time.....when they have evidence. *IF* the police had real evidence Jason was guilty they would name him a suspect but they haven't even labeled him a POI.

NC Wanted isn't a real news program, it's a joke. Tabloid journalism at it's best.

[bookie]

Not in Wake County they don't.
Brad Cooper was a suspect from day one and indicted 2 1/2 months later. The cops or DA always said " we have not named a suspect or POI"



From what we have seen the police don't have any evidence Brad Cooper murdered his wife. They got lucky and got an indictment but we all know how easy that is to do. But let's all pretend police never name suspects.

[HI_CYCLE]

What does a trust fund administered by a bank have to do with Jason Young killing Michelle ? No, a jury could care less about that. They are only interested in what happened 11-3-06 when Michelle died.Who is the Trustee of the Trust? That is who is responsible for any money paid out of it for ANYTHING.

[HI_CYCLE]

IMO, the state of NC has opened a big can of worms by allowing the family of NC to take custody of the Cooper children before an arrest. Both of these cases will end up before the NCSC. IMO.. This is a dangerous precedent to set for future cases. MOO

[annalyzer]

:biggrin:

LE never names a "suspect" anymore,


That's ridiculous. Of course they do.

[dkny]

I take it the reason you post such noise is because you don't have a 401(k) and are unaware of applicable taxes and penalities?

Posters like you ruin this board. Don't make it personal. It is obvious from your posts that anyone who does not agree with you gets attacked. Becareful what you project, it tells alot about you. MY earned the 401K, not JY if it was put in trust for CY no taxes would be applicable right now. JMHO. Isn't it a lovely day !!!!

[HI_CYCLE]

LF set up the trust to benefit her grand-daughter.
Who cares , it obviously has nothing to do with the murderWellllllllllll, you are correct,it has nothing to do with the murder. Butttttttttt it certainly will have something to do with her being kept as executrix of Michelle`s Estate.

[HI_CYCLE]

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. :rolleyes:Why because you say so??
:punch:

[bookie]

before you get all carried away and high n mighty let me just say that i linked an article from the news and observer where WCSO spokesperson, Phyliss Stephens stated that the sheriff DOES NOT name suspects in ongoing investigations. so, as much as i hate to burst YOUR bubble i feel i must. i won't be searching the article out for you, as i said i linked it a while back. so, either you can believe me or not, i really don't care, just wanted to let you know you are wrong. hammer


Since I have posted articles here awhile back showing police naming people as suspects in Wake County I'll choose not to believe you. Atleast 1 had a quote from police calling the person they were looking for a suspect.

[HI_CYCLE]

not in wake county they don'tReady to dig in that arsenal for another name?:punch:

[HI_CYCLE]

snipped from HI_CYCLE's post:

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You should have kept reading, so you would then know what you are talking about when you post. Michelle Young named her mother as an alternate executor. She did ASK her mother to be the executrix. No one went behind anyone's back, don't misrepresent these people's actions, you really are not qualified. Do you really believe someone can just decide they are going to change someone's will ? I would imagine it takes some serious factual evidence before that could happen. And it looks like Linda Fisher had just that when she filed this suit, or it wouldn't have happened.YOU are wrong. Big difference in being executor and being alternate executor. Maybe you should go use your dictionary. Want to be nasty? I can run with the big boys if i need to.:punch:

[annalyzer]

not in wake county they don't

oh yes they do

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6418275


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/105290/

[HI_CYCLE]

Since I have posted articles here awhile back showing police naming people as suspects in Wake County I'll choose not to believe you. Atleast 1 had a quote from police calling the person they were looking for a suspect.Have you noticed that only the JDI are right about ANYTHING on his board? Amazing isn`t it.

[annalyzer]

Yes it is, and a lovely post as well :beer:


I didn't recognize you without your hammer. :cool:

[dkny]

I ruin this board by pointing out you have no idea what you're talking about? You sure have no problem personally attacking Jason or me, I see.

pss't: A 401(k) is a pension. Early withdrawals result in income taxes and penalities. :read:

You are wrong CY is a minor roll it in the Trust. Yes, I have no idea what I am talking per you.. That's too funny! Just put me on ignore please, it is too nice of a day. JMHO

[HI_CYCLE]

Because, you don't. Michelle named her mother as an alternate executor, and looks like the court sees things have changed since Michelle drew up her will and agrees with Linda.Well I am willing to wait and see what happens when the attorney`s from both side have had their day in court. Want be the first time a judge has been over ruled by a higher court. Let the court system do it`s job. That will be justice.

[annalyzer]

LOL, at least you what ??? check it out there bookie, as i said i linked an article where Phyliss Stephens (spokesperson for sheriff) said they DO NOT name anyone a suspect while the investigation is ongoing. So, they don't name suspects and that makes you WRONG.

http://www.thedurhamnews.com/around_town/story/167423.html

Laurence Alvin Lovette, a suspect in the shooting deaths earlier this year of two local university students, was indicted by a Wake County grand jury this week and accused of breaking into a Cary couple's garage.
Lovette, 17, was charged with larceny of a vehicle, first-degree burglary, first-degree larceny and felony possession of a stolen vehicle in connection with a Nov. 5 break-in at 101 George Court in Cary, according to copies of indictments made available last week.

Lovette was named a suspect in February in two high-profile killings: the January shooting death of Duke graduate student Abhijit Mahato in his Durham apartment and the March killing of UNC Student Body President Eve Carson. Lovette only recently became a suspect in the November burglary.

[annalyzer]

There is difference in 'looking for a fugitive' and someone being the focus of an ongoing investigation. Like I said, you will not find an example in Wake County for the latter.

http://www.thedurhamnews.com/around_town/story/167423.html

Laurence Alvin Lovette, a suspect in the shooting deaths earlier this year of two local university students, was indicted by a Wake County grand jury this week and accused of breaking into a Cary couple's garage.
Lovette, 17, was charged with larceny of a vehicle, first-degree burglary, first-degree larceny and felony possession of a stolen vehicle in connection with a Nov. 5 break-in at 101 George Court in Cary, according to copies of indictments made available last week.

Lovette was named a suspect in February in two high-profile killings: the January shooting death of Duke graduate student Abhijit Mahato in his Durham apartment and the March killing of UNC Student Body President Eve Carson. Lovette only recently became a suspect in the November burglary.

[HI_CYCLE]

No, you are wrong. You posted "Let`s remember,if rumor is true, Michelle Young did NOT ask her mother to be the executrix", so get it straight huh ? And, thanks but I don't need to use my dicitonary, I'm literate. And, no I don't want to be nasty, I leave that for you and a few others on here, because I see how much you enjoy that role, and you can run with whatever boys you want, I could care less.Now I am barf

[annalyzer]

Thanks for proving my point, he had been indicted at the time of your article. Phyliss Stephens, spokesperson for Wake Co. Sheriff stated they do not name suspects in an ongoing investigation. You can link articles all day long, the fact remains they DON"T name suspects.


Read it again. He was named a suspect in two murders in February. An ongoing investigation. He was indicted for another crime.

[dkny]

I'm not going to ignore your misinformation. You are wrong.

A 401(k) is a pension. It can't legally be rolled into a trust for someone else.

Okay, you are absolutely right.. sole ben minor, proceed of 401K ITF CY, no applicable taxes until age of majority, Oh that's right JY claimed the $, I sure hope he took advantage of putting it ITF CY. This is one of the reasons you have someone else watching, MY was smart about her estate planning. JMHO

[annalyzer]

Oh, I always recognize you by your lovely personality and the flair in your postings.


Thanks! :D

[dkny]

They are from Durham and killed in Chapel Hill.
We are talking about Wake county
Give it up and stop googling
You are not gonna win

Orane County shared w/Chattham on this one I believe, I might be thiking of another case. JMO

[JHP]

I'm not going to ignore your misinformation. You are wrong.

A 401(k) is a pension. It can't legally be rolled into a trust for someone else.


I just walked in the door from dealing with just this Item, and a few others.

There is no penalty because that person died. It is WAIVED. We then put it in the estate checking account.

My attorney was with me when we took care of this. Should I believe him or you?

JMO

[bookie]

LOL, at least you what ??? check it out there bookie, as i said i linked an article where Phyliss Stephens (spokesperson for sheriff) said they DO NOT name anyone a suspect while the investigation is ongoing. So, they don't name suspects and that makes you WRONG.



Ok I'll play along with you and pretend the police never name suspects. I understand some people need to live in fantasy worlds. :lol:

[annalyzer]

No you read it again
Get a clue annalyzer


Here's a clue for you ~ Google is your friend.


http://www.wakegov.com/NR/rdonlyres/3EC0CAE3-6612-45EA-A9A4-8B65F547C5DF/0/ps_ccbi2007.pdf

Latent Fingerprint Identification

Investigators from area law enforcement agencies rely on our Latent Examiners to determine whether a named suspect was indeed the person who left latent fingerprint evidence at the scene.

[dkny]

I just walked in the door from dealing with just this Item, and a few others.

There is no penalty because that person died. It is WAIVED. We then put it in the estate checking account.

My attorney was with me when we took care of this. Should I believe him or you?

JMO

Hey JHP, go w/your atty on this one. We have a minor here w/CY so it will have to have the Court's approval on everything, poor LF she has taken such a beating after having MY taken and she will not even have final say neither will JY as long as the Courts are involved which I pray they are. JMHO.

[bookie]

Read it again. He was named a suspect in two murders in February. An ongoing investigation. He was indicted for another crime.


Phyliss Stepens should remove the foot from her mouth.

[JHP]

Was the person who died your spouse?

No this was an older person. But the statement was made by the bank Northern Trust that the penalty was waived. On that and several other things.

[bookie]

No you read it again
Get a clue annalyzer



It appears Annalyzer did read it, comprehended what it actually said and has a clue.

[HI_CYCLE]

Now cmon, don't be a bad sport, I am only speaking of the Wake Co. Sheriff and Phyliss Stephens, their spokesperson when I claim that the Wake Co. Sheriff does not name suspects in ongoing investigations. You don't have to pretend "police never name suspects". Cuz, guess what ? I think they DO !! But, over there in Wake Co. they do it differently. LOL...hey I don't write this junk I just relay it...Now I am going to agree with you on "But, over there in Wake Co. they do it differently.". I think they make up their laws as needed. MOO:D

[dkny]

No, I'm not delusional. Your waste of bandwidth with your rants and paranoid name calling is real.

Projection.... Vanessa I enjoy your posts, most likely we will not agree on everything but that's life we can still be civilized. JMHO.

[bookie]

Now cmon, don't be a bad sport, I am only speaking of the Wake Co. Sheriff and Phyliss Stephens, their spokesperson when I claim that the Wake Co. Sheriff does not name suspects in ongoing investigations. You don't have to pretend "police never name suspects". Cuz, guess what ? I think they DO !! But, over there in Wake Co. they do it differently. LOL...hey I don't write this junk I just relay it...



Apparently Phyliss Stephens is out of the loop and dead wrong. wake Co does in fact name suspects.

[bookie]

I think you should call her and tell her that bookie, want the number ?



I'm more than capable of looking up a phone number.

[annalyzer]

What does a fact sheet about CCBI have to do with the DA in Wake County naming a supect or POI in an on-going investigation :rolleyes:


We're talking about Law Enforcement in Wake County.