Michelle Fisher Young, 2nd Year Anniversary

[JHP]

Hey JHP, go w/your atty on this one. We have a minor here w/CY so it will have to have the Court's approval on everything, poor LF she has taken such a beating after having MY taken and she will not even have final say neither will JY as long as the Courts are involved which I pray they are. JMHO.


;) Thanks dkny, Maybe its just my state, but the estate tax needs to be filed in 9 months. Maybe the Courts did get involved early on because of the circumstances.

Poor LF if it is so hard just to lose a loved one, and then have to deal with all this stuff. And she has so much more to deal with then I am.

[bookie]

These 2 will beat a dead horse and them some :rolleyes:


Since you are chiming in on the topic it appears you like to take whacks at that same dead horse.

[annalyzer]

Looks like the board is full of trolls Vanessa.
Take cover.

:biggrin:

Looks like I proved you wrong. lol

[HI_CYCLE]

;) Thanks dkny, Maybe its just my state, but the estate tax needs to be filed in 9 months. Maybe the Courts did get involved early on because of the circumstances.

Poor LF if it is so hard just to lose a loved one, and then have to deal with all this stuff. And she has so much more to deal with then I am.LF chose to deal with this!!!!!!! She has totally lost my respect. Sorry, the deceit and sneaking did it for me.

[HI_CYCLE]

Yes and it seems to be all you do. Why not get yourself some counseling and spare the rest of us? In the meantime, I'll try to scroll on by. :seeya:Me too.:patriot:

[bookie]

Looks like the board is full of trolls Vanessa.
Take cover.

:biggrin:



Looking in your mirror as you type?

[dkny]

;) Thanks dkny, Maybe its just my state, but the estate tax needs to be filed in 9 months. Maybe the Courts did get involved early on because of the circumstances.

Poor LF if it is so hard just to lose a loved one, and then have to deal with all this stuff. And she has so much more to deal with then I am.

My heart goes out to her, I hope she finds some solace in protecting MY's estate for CY and CY's future, I know the Courts will feel the same about a minor and do their upmost to protect MY's estate for CY and most likely structure the proceeds so that she will have alot more by age of majority or whatever her Mom wanted in her will, still will not bring this little girl's Mommy back to her. For CY :rose: JMHO

[HI_CYCLE]

My heart goes out to her, I hope she finds some solace in protecting MY's estate for CY and CY's future, I know the Courts will feel the same about a minor and do their upmost to protect MY's estate for CY and most likely structure the proceeds so that she will have alot more by age of majority or whatever her Mom wanted in her will, still will not bring this little girl's Mommy back to her. For CY :rose: JMHO She has a father to protect her, Grandma needs to keep her hand out of the pot. I guess money means more to LF then the love of her grandchild. I see LF waited until AF died to pull this little stunt.

[JHP]

LF chose to deal with this!!!!!!! She has totally lost my respect. Sorry, the deceit and sneaking did it for me.


Are you kidding? Lisa Fisher was dealt this through NO fault of her own. She has no choice but to do what she's doing.


JMO

[dkny]

She has a father to protect her, Grandma needs to keep her hand out of the pot. I guess money means more to LF then the love of her grandchild. I see LF waited until AF died to pull this little stunt.

Hi HC, LF was made co-ex by MY, she has a fiduciary responsibility to protect MY's estate, nothing has been handled for 2 years now, LF is obligated to file the WD and protect the LI policy for CY, the Court will really have all the say where a minor is concerned. I have to run I will see everyone later. JMHO

[annalyzer]

Yes, you did. It is probable that Stephans was misquoted. I think she likely meant that the sheriff's office doesn't give the media every name they are investigating as a suspect.


But they do name suspects and they do give the media some of the names. Thus they do name suspects, Patrick.

[annalyzer]

BINGO

They don't name suspects or POI in an ongoing investigation


Not unless they're sure who the suspect is. Jason was never named a suspect so he shouldn't have lost his job because, as someone stated earlier, he was a suspect in his wife's murder.

[annalyzer]

Ya'll have a good day. I hope there is an arrest soon.

[whitywendy]

Newbie here...

JY was made a suspect from the beginning....http://www.ncwanted.com/asset/unsolved/2007/11/14/2045164/Nontestimonial_Identification_Order_Jason_Lynn_You ng_Adult_Suspect.swf

In regards to JY not collecting the LI.....IMO and my experience..he can't get the proceeds because he was named a suspect in her death...see above

[whitywendy]

In the state of NC the spouse is automatically the paid benef. If a crime caused the death then the benef. would be required to include the police report/file along with claim.

Since he was named as a potential suspect from the get go...he couldn't go claim the money with that police report now could he.

I am a JDI.

We will NEVER know the real reason as to why the Fishers didn't take custody of CY from the beginning. Has anyone ever thought that in the beginning she didn't want to believe he did it. Then when things pointed to him, it was TOO LATE and DIFFICULT to proceed. Didn't he cut off communication with them early on?

[whitywendy]

Excellent points, I agree with you wholeheartedly. The JII's have always acted like they are here solely to defend Jason Young, never because they feel for Michelle, or her family. It's like they are a bunch of salaried groupies or something. Compasson has never been a factor with these posters. I believe Linda Fisher was encouraged by LE to go ahead with this lawsuit, certainly she was not deterred by them. That is evident in the past couple days statements by Harrison. Jason Young will finally be interrogated and should he take the fifth, that should be the final straw for an indictment. Harrison stated he has to rule out everyone, and that so far he has not been able to rule out Jason Young. I remain convinced Jason is the perp and personally I want to see him answer for Michelle's murder and pay the consequences, sooner rather than later. Poor Cassidy, hopefully Linda Fisher will be able to take her before the Youngs have any effect on her, like they did in raising Jason Young to be a cold blooded murderer and baby killer.


I agree with you Vanessa, the JII's have done nothing but put down and basically accuse Michelle's VERY FAMILY of this crime. It makes no sense to me.

Okay so you don't believe JY murdered his wife..fine but don't throw her mother/sister under the bus because you do not believe JY did this. There are millions of people in this country..pick someone else.

Some of the posts I have read amaze me.

IMO this murder was personal. IMO JY did this. By himself...who knows..but he was INVOLVED!

[whitywendy]

Did Michelle make Cassie her beneficiary? NO. Did Michelle leave all her belonging to Cassie? NO. So Linda is going behind and changing every thing Michelle wanted and all the time saying how much she loved Michelle . She may have loved her but she sure didn't respect her. She is still the same controlling woman to Michelle with Michelle dead as she was when Michelle was alive. I hope that the WDS will need the therapist notes then maybe people will see what a loving mother LF was.

LEGALLY you can not make a minor the benef. As I said before in the state of NC your spouse is automatically the benef.

Seems to me that Michelle did not know that her husband was going to hurt her when she was getting her "assets" in order.

[whitywendy]

Hi, ww, welcome to the insane asylum. I figure I better put that out there before I get banned (again) because someone thinks I'm someone I'm not. :roll eyes: I've seen you post on another board, and know you will bring good things to this one. IMO

:cool: thank you heathenette. I have been reading here for about a week now. I could not keep my mouth shut any longer with the bashing going on. I wonder if they have DAUGHTERS.

[alter ego]

Hmmm. It's all about it TWO YEARS LATER? This suit is to protect Cassidy's interest...but more importantly, I believe it is an effort to get JY to talk. PERIOD. If a criminal charge is not progressing as rapidly as had hoped, this is an effort to make him answer some questions.

You talk about greed. I rank that right up there with selfishness. JY has been nothing but selfish throughout the entire thing. No gravestone, no talking to police. He is interested in saving his own *** period. He doesn't give a damn about his wife or son. If he did, he would have piped up long ago -- regardless of what an attorney says. If he is innocent, he had nothing to hide. And if he is innocent, he should welcome this trial to set the record straight. Something tells me he is not welcoming it.

Filing a tort claim in an effort to make somone answer questions is abuse of the court system. She filed to beat the 2 year SOL tolling and is taking a huge risk on the suit getting tossed as frivolous.

[alter ego]

In the state of NC the spouse is automatically the paid benef. If a crime caused the death then the benef. would be required to include the police report/file along with claim.

Since he was named as a potential suspect from the get go...he couldn't go claim the money with that police report now could he.

I am a JDI.

We will NEVER know the real reason as to why the Fishers didn't take custody of CY from the beginning. Has anyone ever thought that in the beginning she didn't want to believe he did it. Then when things pointed to him, it was TOO LATE and DIFFICULT to proceed. Didn't he cut off communication with them early on?
Everyone close to the victim was named a potential suspect from the get go - that's SOP.

The Fisher's had no legal standing to request, let alone get, custody of Cassidy.

[gorealtors]

New warrant released today. May the countdown begin!


http://www.wral.com/

[alter ego]

LEGALLY you can not make a minor the benef. As I said before in the state of NC your spouse is automatically the benef.

Seems to me that Michelle did not know that her husband was going to hurt her when she was getting her "assets" in order.

A spouse is an automatic beneficiary on a 401(k) or other retirement plan. A spouse is not an automatic beneficiary for Life Ins under NC law.

[gorealtors]

Sounds to me like it had something to do with medicine and boxing. I noticed it didn't say when this words were researched. I sure would hate for someone to get killed in my family and LE look at my computer. I guess the next person that uses this computer will think I plan on killing some one. I looked up blood flow problems and a boxing term. I wish LE would have released how many of those calls Jason made was trying to reach Michelle.

Now I've read everything! Boxing? Oh yea, forgot that was a favorite hobby of Jasons.

[Wyn]

Did Michelle make Cassie her beneficiary? NO. Did Michelle leave all her belonging to Cassie? NO. So Linda is going behind and changing every thing Michelle wanted and all the time saying how much she loved Michelle . She may have loved her but she sure didn't respect her. She is still the same controlling woman to Michelle with Michelle dead as she was when Michelle was alive. I hope that the WDS will need the therapist notes then maybe people will see what a loving mother LF was.


You're a riot. Did Michelle make Cassidy her beneficiary, no, because at the time she thought she was married to someone who loved her. Cassidy was the secondary. However, common sense would tell ANYONE that Michelle would not have wanted Jason to benefit from MURDERING her. Unfortunately, Michelle is not able to speak from the grave like some poster's relatives on this board. What you should find interesting is that after Jason, Michelle name LINDA the executor.

I think you have a lot of nerve to talk about the relationship between Linda and Michelle because YOU didn't know Michelle, and you don't know Linda. What's your agenda? Why is it so important to you to try and make the Fishers look bad? Because it's just making you look like a petty old woman and when the truth comes out, you'll look like a fool.

Hi-Cycle and Annalyzer- Get a map so you won't look so foolish. Everyone that lives in this area is laughing their heads off at you. Learn the area if you're going to pretend to know anything about it.

Hi-Cycle- I'm so disappointed you've lost respect for Linda Fisher. AS IF YOU EVER HAD ANY! Thanks for the laugh.

Looks like all the JII's went a little crazy today. Guess the though of Jason actually having to answer for his crime is a bit overwhelming.

[Wyn]

LF chose to deal with this!!!!!!! She has totally lost my respect. Sorry, the deceit and sneaking did it for me.

But you're okay with murdering? Good to know.

[alter ego]

Now I've read everything! Boxing? Oh yea, forgot that was a favorite hobby of Jasons.Google for youself and see the results. Mostly boxing.

[Wyn]

Seems to me that the state of NC doesn't know that he hurt her either. Seems to me this is all in a bunch of hopefuls and of course those after that million dollars. I would have bet money before this was all over LF would try and find a way to get that money. Now here she is with her hand out. I'm going to be real interested to see what lies she had to tell to get Jason removed as executor.

She didn't have to tell any "lies", all she had to do was to show that Jason most likely murdered her daughter. Pretty easy to do in a civil case. Are you not capable of reading the affadavit either. Why are none of the JII's able to read? Or is it just the comprehension you can't do? The money will go into a trust for Cassidy, no matter how you try to spin it and no matter how much Pat Young was hoping to live out her retirement years with Jason supporting her with that money.

It's going to be real interesting when more true facts come out and you attempt to spin those with your little innuendo.

[alter ego]

New warrant released today. May the countdown begin!


http://www.wral.com/What countdown? :shrug:

Wonder when all the phone calls on the day Michelle was found murdered were made. It would seem reasonable that more calls were made after getting the news of her death than what was made on an average day for the month preceeding the murder. Also, I thought WSCO told a judge that he made frequent voice mail checks.

I googled the same phrases and didn't get much to point to the queries being related to the crime. Altho the phrases googled are chilling in light of the manner of death - then again, strangulation was attempted which diminishes the chill.

[alter ego]

She didn't have to tell any "lies", all she had to do was to show that Jason most likely murdered her daughter. Pretty easy to do in a civil case. Are you not capable of reading the affadavit either. Why are none of the JII's able to read? Or is it just the comprehension you can't do? The money will go into a trust for Cassidy, no matter how you try to spin it and no matter how much Pat Young was hoping to live out her retirement years with Jason supporting her with that money.

It's going to be real interesting when more true facts come out and you attempt to spin those with your little innuendo.Pretty easy to do? What is she going to offer for proof?

[alter ego]

Sounds to me like it had something to do with medicine and boxing. I noticed it didn't say when this words were researched. I sure would hate for someone to get killed in my family and LE look at my computer. I guess the next person that uses this computer will think I plan on killing some one. I looked up blood flow problems and a boxing term. I wish LE would have released how many of those calls Jason made was trying to reach Michelle.The searches were made prior to the murder.

Wonder why they mentioned ischemia like it's damning - it's inadequate blood flow due to blockage of blood vessels. :shrug:

[Cardinal]

Did Michelle make Cassie her beneficiary? NO. Did Michelle leave all her belonging to Cassie? NO. ~snipped~

Has Michelle's will been made public? If so, please provide the link.

Thanks

[jerry50]

Did Michelle make Cassie her beneficiary? NO. Did Michelle leave all her belonging to Cassie? NO. So Linda is going behind and changing every thing Michelle wanted and all the time saying how much she loved Michelle . She may have loved her but she sure didn't respect her. She is still the same controlling woman to Michelle with Michelle dead as she was when Michelle was alive. I hope that the WDS will need the therapist notes then maybe people will see what a loving mother LF was.


Do you know any of Michelle's friends? From the ones I have had contact with I have learned that Michelle loved and was loved by her Mother and sister. You seem to be jealous that Linda was able to raise such wonderful daughters. From an outsider it looks like it was the Fisher dad who had the problems. If Michelle remained estranged from her dad until Jason (supposedly) encouraged her to see him again it would appear that it was the dad that had the problems that caused the marriage to break up. If all the bad opinions stem from the dad and no one else it would appear that that is where all the rumors about Linda start.
jmo

[Cardinal]

Whoa, there. LF is not obligated to file a WD lawsuit as part of the probate process. That life insurance policy isn't part of Michelle's estate. This was done for no other reason than Fisher wants control of money that isn't her's to control. Greed, pure and simple.


Unless you've seen the beneficiary designation for the LI policy, you can't know whether or not it's part of Michelle's estate.

[Cardinal]

I have to admit I'd never heard the word "ischemia" before. But I found this interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ischemia

"Since oxygen is mainly bound to hemoglobin in red blood cells, insufficient blood supply causes tissue to become hypoxic, or, if no oxygen is supplied at all, anoxic. This can cause necrosis (i.e. cell death). In very aerobic tissues such as heart and brain, at body temperature necrosis due to ischemia usually takes about 3-4 hours before becoming irreversible."

3-4 hours.......a TOD 3-4 hours after an attack could wreak havoc with disproving an alibi, imo.

[Cardinal]

Because LE is trying every thing they can to sway the people of Raleigh and Brevard to think Jason killed Michelle . He also held this SW back to help the little lady from NY . I don't see how this will help her unless he thinks popular opinion will count. He can't solve a case so he tries to make up a killer. Maybe that is the disease that killed Harrison's wife . The one he had before the one in the wings came forward.

I believe the late Mrs. Harrison died of cancer. Most people would find that sad.

JMO

[Wyn]

Well you will have to ask LF about who sued for divorce and what grounds they used. Watch her halo doesn't fall off if you ask to see the divorce papers.

Why don't you just go ahead and tell us if you know? What, you don't know? Just making it up as you go along? Too bad you never had a halo to fall off in the first place. What is your agenda?

Why do you keep attempting to smear the murder victim's mother? Because it doesn't matter what Linda Fisher has EVER DONE. It has nothing to do with Jason murdering Michelle, does it? What's your agenda? There's a question you'll never answer.

[Cardinal]

Well you will have to ask LF about who sued for divorce and what grounds they used. Watch her halo doesn't fall off if you ask to see the divorce papers.

There you go again with the innuendo, June. Is anything about the divorce relevant to Michelle's murder? If not, why do you keep bringing it up?

[jerzeegirl]

I have to admit I'd never heard the word "ischemia" before. But I found this interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ischemia

"Since oxygen is mainly bound to hemoglobin in red blood cells, insufficient blood supply causes tissue to become hypoxic, or, if no oxygen is supplied at all, anoxic. This can cause necrosis (i.e. cell death). In very aerobic tissues such as heart and brain, at body temperature necrosis due to ischemia usually takes about 3-4 hours before becoming irreversible."

3-4 hours.......a TOD 3-4 hours after an attack could wreak havoc with disproving an alibi, imo.


very interesting, so she could have been knocked out unconsious all the while bleeding to death. Or that could have been the plan of the killer.

[jerzeegirl]

What I find sad is the new Mrs. Harrison waiting in the wings while she died.


and what does that have to do with micheles murder?????
Thats sick. You complain and think ppl are picking on you and its not fair because youre old? Sorry, you deserve what you get after those remarks.

[Barbara2]

Well you will have to ask LF about who sued for divorce and what grounds they used. Watch her halo doesn't fall off if you ask to see the divorce papers.

I doubt that your reason for filing for divorce is any more relevant. Can we just stay on the topic of the murder of Michelle and her baby? The new search warrant is very interesting. I think both pieces, the internet search and the unusual phone activity, are just two more to add to the pile of evidence pointing to Jason Young as a murderer. At some point you will have to accept that what seems to be is what is. IMO

[Wyn]

No I wasn't cardiology I said I was trauma. You know busted up from wrecks and shot gun shells . You are so pitiful if you have to pick on an old woman like me. Shame on you. My daughter is a traveling nurse now. I doubt she would know the word. Hey just sayin

If you were a trauma nurse, you would know what it meant. If your daughter is really a nurse, she would know what it means. If not, you both should have been fired. My SIL was a pediatric nurse. She knows what it means. I'm not nurse at all, I knew what it meant. Why do I get the feeling that most of what you post is just made up as you type? :rolleyes:

[Cardinal]

What I find sad is the new Mrs. Harrison waiting in the wings while she died.

And is this relevant to Michelle's murder?

[alter ego]

I have to admit I'd never heard the word "ischemia" before. But I found this interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ischemia

"Since oxygen is mainly bound to hemoglobin in red blood cells, insufficient blood supply causes tissue to become hypoxic, or, if no oxygen is supplied at all, anoxic. This can cause necrosis (i.e. cell death). In very aerobic tissues such as heart and brain, at body temperature necrosis due to ischemia usually takes about 3-4 hours before becoming irreversible."

3-4 hours.......a TOD 3-4 hours after an attack could wreak havoc with disproving an alibi, imo.:confused:

ischemia is caused by a blockage in a vessel - not sure where you are factoring in an alibi issue as being related to this condition.

[jerzeegirl]

Oh give me a break. Her teeth were all over the room ,her brains were mush. Yea she could have maybe lived 3 to 5 minutes. Did she have this artery disease? NO

well maybe things didnt go as planned, hmmm, things are really being put together. I thought someone said that the last search warrant was going to expose Meredith as the killer. I didnt see any of that in there.

[alter ego]

I doubt that your reason for filing for divorce is any more relevant. Can we just stay on the topic of the murder of Michelle and her baby? The new search warrant is very interesting. I think both pieces, the internet search and the unusual phone activity, are just two more to add to the pile of evidence pointing to Jason Young as a murderer. At some point you will have to accept that what seems to be is what is. IMO

I don't find them compelling in proving murder.

[Cardinal]

very interesting, so she could have been knocked out unconsious all the while bleeding to death. Or that could have been the plan of the killer.


I was thinking that if the blood flow to the brain were cut off long enough to cause ischemia, there would have been no need for a beating. And the TOD might have been delayed 3-4 hours.

[Wyn]

Oh give me a break. Her teeth were all over the room ,her brains were mush. Yea she could have maybe lived 3 to 5 minutes. Did she have this artery disease? NO

Do you read what you post? And you still hit the reply button???

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3912962/

"the term "ischemia," which is a decrease in the blood supply caused by constriction or obstruction to blood vessels; "head trauma knockout" and "anatomy of a knockout.""

Do you know what the term "strangulation" means? :punch:
Is it becoming a little clearer to you now?

[Cardinal]

:confused:

ischemia is caused by a blockage in a vessel - not sure where you are factoring in an alibi issue as being related to this condition.

Hi, AE. See the post I just made, about delaying death for 3-4 hours.

[Barbara2]

I don't find them compelling in proving murder.

Not by themselves, but in conjunction with everything else that we know, it certainly doesn't point away from him.

[jerzeegirl]

Causes

Cerebral ischemia can be the result of various diseases, or the result of arterial obstruction such as strangulation.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_ischemia

[jerry50]

Well you will have to ask LF about who sued for divorce and what grounds they used. Watch her halo doesn't fall off if you ask to see the divorce papers.

The divorce papers are none of our business and they do not have anything to do witht he murder of Michelle Young which is the topic of this board.
If you have seen the papers then you must be related to AF because the divorce records are not public knowledge and to get an accurate copy you have to be one of the two parties in the divorce.

[Wyn]

What I find sad is the new Mrs. Harrison waiting in the wings while she died.

hammer

Wow, are you so desperate to derail this thread that you are now trying to discuss LE personal lives? What has this got to do with Michelle's murder? NOTHING.

What a horrible life you must have to that you would need to post this kind of stuff. KARMA.

[alter ego]

Hi, AE. See the post I just made, about delaying death for 3-4 hours.

I did and I don't see where clogged vessels have anything to do with this murder :shrug:

[Cardinal]

I did and I don't see where clogged vessels have anything to do with this murder :shrug:

Suppose someone exerted enough pressure on the carotids to cause ischemia. Wouldn't the victim be unconscious? But death might not occur for 3-4 hours.

Could the ME determine how long the victim had been unconscious, or only the TOD? If only the TOD, and the killer had an alibi for that time (but not for the 3-4 hours prior)........

[jerzeegirl]

All Fisher had to do is request emergency temporary custody as was done in the Cooper case.



but yet you claim that the judge who granted NC's family emergency temporary custoday was wrong and never should have granted it. So which is it? Right or wrong? Maybe LF's lawyer told her she wouldnt be able to do that unless he was accused of murder. Maybe you were correct, NC family should never have sought temp custoday.

[Wyn]

You have no idea if what LF has done has a bearing on Michelle's death. I still go for MF being one of the killers and her kitchen buddy that left the country being the other. MF spread the story and picture of the medical student being her boyfriend. That wasn't who was at the services with her. The one at the services worked in the kitchen where she worked. I have since heard he left the country.


Yes, actually I do, because Jason Young murdered Michelle. You "still go for MF"? What kind of a statement is that? My children "go for Duke" as they are fond of saying. So bascially, it's still just a game to you. How sad for you. MF didn't "spread" anything. Sad people with pitiful lives took what little personal info they could find about her and made up lies. You jumped on that band wagon so fast I'm surprised you didn't break a hip. Who cares who left the counry as long as it's not Jason? I don't want LE to have to waste my tax dollars tracking him down.

You want to talk about someone helping Jason murder Michelle. I still think it would have had to have been Kim, or RD. Want to discuss them some?

What's your agenda, June. Why are you trying to smear the victim's family by posting rumors and lies?

[annalyzer]

Annalyzer- Get a map so you won't look so foolish. Everyone that lives in this area is laughing their heads off at you. Learn the area if you're going to pretend to know anything about it.




Not near as much as I'm laughing at you right now. :biggrin:

[Cardinal]

So in other words a copy of them showing up say in a newspaper would be pretty embarrassing. The papers show what Michelle was subjected to while she was growing up. It may explain why she spent more time in NY on her last trip. Why she used her last week of vacation there instead of going with the family out West. Why she was murdered. Because she was rattling bones.

Why would anyone want to see LF's divorce papers published in a newspaper? Is that going to help solve Michelle's murder? Or would it rather serve only to embarrass Michelle's mother? Why would anyone want to embarrass Michelle's mother?

[im4justice]

How is this lawsuit going to bite Jason? Where's the evidence that Jason will squander all that money without a cent left for Cassidy? So far, the only person who's making a move toward all that money is a grandmother who hasn't made a move for custody.

Fisher claims he killed her daughter and grandson but concludes he's no harm to Cassidy but he can't be trusted with all that money. Her priorities seem askew. Or is she just nuts?

Where is the guarantee he wouldn't squander the money if he had it? Jason isn't making a move for the money (or did he try?) because he would have to answer questions.
Jason had his opportunity to get rid of Cassidy but he didnt. Therefore one can conclude he would not physically harm her now. Besides I'm sure his Mom would see to her safety wouldn't you think?

There you go AGAIN bad mouthing Mrs. Fisher
I've found that people who need to verbally attack other people do so out of frustration because things just aren't going their way. Reminds me of a pouting child.

[alter ego]

Causes

Cerebral ischemia can be the result of various diseases, or the result of arterial obstruction such as strangulation.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_ischemia
Strangulation by obstruction, not from manual strangulation, from what I have found so far....still :read:ing....

[Wyn]

So in other words a copy of them showing up say in a newspaper would be pretty embarrassing. The papers show what Michelle was subjected to while she was growing up. It may explain why she spent more time in NY on her last trip. Why she used her last week of vacation there instead of going with the family out West. Why she was murdered. Because she was rattling bones.

Why would a copy of the Fishers' divorce papers EVER show up in the newspaper? Why would anyone be interested in publishing something like that from years ago in a newspaper? Especially since they aren't relevant to Michelle's murder? How do you know what Michelle was subjected to growing up? Care to explain how you come by your super secret knowledge and how that would relate to Jason murdering Michelle?

Why would she spend time in NY? Because that's where her mother and other family member live foolish woman. Why she was murdered? "Rattling bones"? :D You need to pick up a phone right now and call LE if you think YOU know why she was murdered!! Do you know how ridiculous your post is? The only thing "rattling" is the marbles in your head!!

[Barbara2]

<snipped>

There you go AGAIN bad mouthing Mrs. Fisher
I've found that people who need to verbally attack other people do so out of frustration because things just aren't going their way. Reminds me of a pouting child.

Or because their own family situation is bad and they need to pretend that someone else they decide to target is worse off. None of it has anything to do with this case and I wish she would just get back on topic.

How many of you think that your husbands are searching the internet for "head trauma knockout" and "anatomy of a knockout."?

[annalyzer]

Newbie here...

JY was made a suspect from the beginning....http://www.ncwanted.com/asset/unsolved/2007/11/14/2045164/Nontestimonial_Identification_Order_Jason_Lynn_You ng_Adult_Suspect.swf

In regards to JY not collecting the LI.....IMO and my experience..he can't get the proceeds because he was named a suspect in her death...see above


Wake County LE don't ever name suspects during an ongoing investigation. Just ask Patrick. :D

[Wyn]

Not near as much as I'm laughing at you right now. :biggrin:

:lol:

Oh, snappy come back. Almost as clever as "I'm rubber, you're glue" etc. (near, nearly, guess to some it's all the same)

You still haven't figured it out yet, have you?
Here's a clue. THREE.
Take all the time you need.
Good luck!

[Cardinal]

Wake County LE don't ever name suspects during an ongoing investigation. Just ask Patrick. :D

LOL Hi, Anna. So what do you think of the contents of the latest SW to be unsealed?

[Wyn]

Wake County LE don't ever name suspects during an ongoing investigation. Just ask Patrick. :D
:beer:
Finally, you got it right! Maybe in Durham County they do. Maybe in Orange County they do. Maybe even in Chatham County. But NOT in Wake County.

[alter ego]

Suppose someone exerted enough pressure on the carotids to cause ischemia. Wouldn't the victim be unconscious? But death might not occur for 3-4 hours.

Could the ME determine how long the victim had been unconscious, or only the TOD? If only the TOD, and the killer had an alibi for that time (but not for the 3-4 hours prior)........
From what I have found, the affects of ischemia are visible on a brain disection.

I made a mention some time ago similar to what you are saying now regarding TOD....but mine was along the lines of knowing the location of the suspect at the time the victim sustained the injury, not at TOD since there could be hours between the two events.

I would think it would be next to impossible to be able to strangle someone with just the right amt of force to cause cerebral ischemia but not immediate death.

Back to being chilled by the googled phrases.

[jerzeegirl]

Where is the guarantee he wouldn't squander the money if he had it? Jason isn't making a move for the money (or did he try?) because he would have to answer questions.
Jason had his opportunity to get rid of Cassidy but he didnt. Therefore one can conclude he would not physically harm her now. Besides I'm sure his Mom would see to her safety wouldn't you think?

There you go AGAIN bad mouthing Mrs. Fisher
I've found that people who need to verbally attack other people do so out of frustration because things just aren't going their way. Reminds me of a pouting child.

its called trying to take the focus off of JY, thats it.

[Cardinal]

From what I have found, the affects of ischemia are visible on a brain disection.

I made a mention some time ago similar to what you are saying now regarding TOD....but mine was along the lines of knowing the location of the suspect at the time the victim sustained the injury, not at TOD since there could be hours between the two events.

I would think it would be next to impossible to be able to strangle someone with just the right amt of force to cause cerebral ischemia but not immediate death.

Back to being chilled by the googled phrases.

Chilled is right, AE. Let us know what you find.

[alter ego]

but yet you claim that the judge who granted NC's family emergency temporary custoday was wrong and never should have granted it. So which is it? Right or wrong? Maybe LF's lawyer told her she wouldnt be able to do that unless he was accused of murder. Maybe you were correct, NC family should never have sought temp custoday.
isn't the atty that successfully got NC's family custody the same atty that Jason retained?

[alter ego]

This recent search warrant is only the tip of the iceberg....


The next 30 days are going to be very, very interesting

IN MY OPINION and stuff.

tick

tick

tick

tick....
you should take something for that tick.

Just sayin....

[annalyzer]

New warrant released today. May the countdown begin!


http://www.wral.com/

The computer search didn't give them anything to make an arrest either I see. Of course he made a lot of calls the day Michelle died. So what is new?

[jerzeegirl]

isn't the atty that successfully got NC's family custody the same atty that Jason retained?

hi alter, i dont know, i dont think it could be though, ill look for the article. I do recall that lawyer saying something along the lines of keeping silent wasnt good.

BRb, Ill look for article.

[Wyn]

LOL Patrick knows Patrick knows everything. Take care Anna I need to get to bed got a lot of driving tomorrow. If the motel has computers available I will be back tomorrow sometime.

Good, then maybe you can explain your theory on how the Fishers divorce was responsible for Michelle's murder. I'm sure LE will want to know. I'm surprised you haven't contacted them yet. Wouldn't knowing what you say you know make you an accessory after the fact? :eek:

[Wyn]

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1285122.html


"Jason Young was having an extramarital affair, and he and the woman exchanged 50 phone calls and text messages the day before Michelle was found."

[annalyzer]

Suppose someone exerted enough pressure on the carotids to cause ischemia. Wouldn't the victim be unconscious? But death might not occur for 3-4 hours.

Could the ME determine how long the victim had been unconscious, or only the TOD? If only the TOD, and the killer had an alibi for that time (but not for the 3-4 hours prior)........

But the beating is what caused the death and it wouldn't have happened hours later. I still find it hard to believe Jason could not carry off a successful strangulation of his little wife.

[alter ego]

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1285122.html


"Jason Young was having an extramarital affair, and he and the woman exchanged 50 phone calls and text messages the day before Michelle was found."
So says the news reporter, I would like to see the actual warrant - have you seen it linked anywhere yet?

[Cardinal]

You're right. Anatomy of a Knockout brings up a bunch of videos.

Yes, it does. And after watching a couple of them, those punches could easily avulse teeth.

JMO

[alter ego]

But the beating is what caused the death and it wouldn't have happened hours later. I still find it hard to believe Jason could not carry off a successful strangulation of his little wife.
I have always thought that if he did this crime - he thought, just as BTK thought, that when the victim passed out she was actually dead. Then when she came to, it triggered rage because he failed to kill her/she refused to die and then the beating fueled by that rage commenced.

[Cardinal]

So says the news reporter, I would like to see the actual warrant - have you seen it linked anywhere yet?

I just checked, and I don't see the actual warrant. My guess is, it'll be linked in a day or so.

50 text messages and phone calls in a day??? I don't think that was about the weather, AE.

[alter ego]

:lol::lol:Don't know the meaning of frivilous as it pertains to filing claims of liability, do ya.

Poor thing.

[JHP]

isn't the atty that successfully got NC's family custody the same atty that Jason retained?


I'm not sure it was the same attorney, but IIRC they are in the same office.

[alter ego]

I just checked, and I don't see the actual warrant. My guess is, it'll be linked in a day or so.

50 text messages and phone calls in a day??? I don't think that was about the weather, AE.
that's a lot of communicating, that's for sure.

[Cardinal]

I have always thought that if he did this crime - he thought, just as BTK thought, that when the victim passed out she was actually dead. Then when she came to, it triggered rage because he failed to kill her/she refused to die and then the beating fueled by that rage commenced.

I agree with that, AE. Regardless of who did it, I think it played out that way.

[alter ego]

hi alter, i dont know, i dont think it could be though, ill look for the article. I do recall that lawyer saying something along the lines of keeping silent wasnt good.

BRb, Ill look for article.Thanks!

I gotta run for now so I'll catch up with y'all later.

:seeya:

[Wyn]

I just checked, and I don't see the actual warrant. My guess is, it'll be linked in a day or so.

50 text messages and phone calls in a day??? I don't think that was about the weather, AE.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/11/06/3914018/20081106190923866.pdf

Go read and be stunned.

[annalyzer]

I just checked, and I don't see the actual warrant. My guess is, it'll be linked in a day or so.

50 text messages and phone calls in a day??? I don't think that was about the weather, AE.


Not looking good for Jason. I wonder when he will be arrested and what they are waiting on now? The trial will be verrrrrry interesting.

[Cardinal]

Thanks!

I gotta run for now so I'll catch up with y'all later.

:seeya:


Bye :seeya:



Is it my imagination, or does it seem like things are escalating since the WD was filed?

[jerzeegirl]

and “did not inquire as to his daughter’s wellbeing or the nature and/or cause of his wife’s death.”


http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1285122.html



wow

[Cardinal]

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/11/06/3914018/20081106190923866.pdf

Go read and be stunned.

OMG I'm only a few pages into it, but this is really bad.

[alter ego]

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/11/06/3914018/20081106190923866.pdf

Go read and be stunned.:eek:

I am, I am.

Stunned.


And can someone pls pass me the ketchup for my crow.

:o

[annalyzer]

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/11/06/3914018/20081106190923866.pdf

Go read and be stunned.


Still reading :read:

:eek:

going for more hot cocoa and then back to :read:

[jerzeegirl]

:eek:

I am, I am.

Stunned.


And can someone pls pass me the ketchup for my crow.

:o


dont eat crow, thats nasty! Have some of my halloweeny candy instead :)

sorry, ill look for that link about attorneys later, too many articles to read right now lol

[Wyn]

"The friend stated that Jason Young told them he was unhappy in his marriage and never would have married Michelle Young if she had not gotten pregnant."

Page 8, KAT.

[Cardinal]

Honestly, I can't even process all of this right now. I've tried really hard to be open-minded, so this sets me back. I'm going to call it a night, and read this again later.

To all of the JDIs - if you've known all of this all along, I understand your anger.

To Kat - you've said many times you'd like to see Jason's own words. Here's your chance, dear. I hope you can take it.

Goodnight, everyone. :seeya:

[jerzeegirl]

"The friend stated that Jason Young told them he was unhappy in his marriage and never would have married Michelle Young if she had not gotten pregnant."

Page 8, KAT.


wyn? what article are you reading from? Im not seeing that. We need a links page darnit. Is the actual sw there to read?

[im4justice]

One classy guy there. Searching for a gift on ebay No offense to ebay shoppers but really now!

[Wyn]

wyn? what article are you reading from? Im not seeing that. We need a links page darnit. Is the actual sw there to read?


http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/11/06/3914018/20081106190923866.pdf

If that doesn't work you'll have to go to wral.com and locate it. And yes, there is an actual search warrant to read.

[Wyn]

Shotgun wedding :eek:

Tell me it ain't so.

Loved her so much he married her twice?

[Wyn]

Blisters consistant with wearing shoes too small? :eek:

[JHP]

Does anyone know why this was released today?

A really horrid read.

JMO

[whitywendy]

Well you will have to ask LF about who sued for divorce and what grounds they used. Watch her halo doesn't fall off if you ask to see the divorce papers.

OMG what he filed for divorce so she must be this terrible person! PLEASE

[Barbara2]

I think it was released to put pressure on Jason to talk. Clearly, the one in the cross-hairs in this case is Michelle Money. They are trying to tie Jason to her as a co-conspirator.

That's a stretch even for you. MM was in Florida. That's more than 2 1/2 hours from Raleigh. She really didn't have time. Clearly the one in the cross hairs is Jason.

[annalyzer]

I seem to recall a poster stating he had a 10 am appointment and was 30 minutes late. Kat wrote that off as a lie. :D


Looks like those pointing the finger at Kim were on the wrong track too.

[jerzeegirl]

omg im not even done reading this sw, i feel like im gonna pass out! :mad:
:(
:(

this is so sad

[JHP]

I think it was released to put pressure on Jason to talk. Clearly, the one in the cross-hairs in this case is Michelle Money. They are trying to tie Jason to her as a co-conspirator.

More like Jason was trying to set her up as the killer. I wonder if she was supposed to be in town but cancelled at the last minute.

JMO

[Wyn]

That's a stretch even for you. MM was in Florida. That's more than 2 1/2 hours from Raleigh. She really didn't have time. Clearly the one in the cross hairs is Jason.

This poster isn't capable of understanding the WD suit, why would she be able to understand the search warrant? There is no way the JII's can spin the information in this search warrant. Only a fool would even try.

Too bad they didn't take a blood sample from Cassidy. "Daddy drugged her".

[Barbara2]

Looks like those pointing the finger at Kim were on the wrong track too.

Yeah. The idea that somebody stayed with Cassidy for an extended period were off base. I never would have suspected that he would have drugged his child. Unbelievable!

[JHP]

omg im not even done reading this sw, i feel like im gonna pass out! :mad:
:(
:(

this is so sad

So Sad! I hope Pat Young is proud of her Monster. Somebody needs to do the right thing PERIOD.

JMO

[JHP]

This poster isn't capable of understanding the WD suit, why would she be able to understand the search warrant? There is no way the JII's can spin the information in this search warrant. Only a fool would even try.

Too bad they didn't take a blood sample from Cassidy. "Daddy drugged her".

I would love to know why Cassidy is still there.

JMO

[annalyzer]

Yeah. The idea that somebody stayed with Cassidy for an extended period were off base. I never would have suspected that he would have drugged his child. Unbelievable!

And left the drug right there in her bedroom. That's odd.

So the child was found on her parents bed. I wonder if she awoke when Meredith arrived?

[annalyzer]

So Sad! I hope Pat Young is proud of her Monster. Somebody needs to do the right thing PERIOD.

JMO


Talk about a momma's boy did you see how often he called her?

Poor Michelle. :mad:

[Wyn]

Yeah. The idea that somebody stayed with Cassidy for an extended period were off base. I never would have suspected that he would have drugged his child. Unbelievable!

Murderer is never perfect. Murderers always make mistakes and his are coming to light. Using a drug he got from his own company, not prescribed for Cassidy, and leaving it her room. Did he think LE would not check to see what the bottle contained? Blisters from wearing too small shoes. Twenty-eight calls to his mother in one morning? Not returning LF's calls when it had to be important since she NEVER called him. His excuses to Kim. :rolleyes:

[jerry50]

Honestly, I can't even process all of this right now. I've tried really hard to be open-minded, so this sets me back. I'm going to call it a night, and read this again later.

To all of the JDIs - if you've known all of this all along, I understand your anger.

To Kat - you've said many times you'd like to see Jason's own words. Here's your chance, dear. I hope you can take it.

Goodnight, everyone. :seeya:

If her gas oven has a working light then I think she will be able to read them.

[annalyzer]

So Kim spends all day on the msg. boards. Hmmm, wonder which one and what her nic is.

[JHP]

Talk about a momma's boy did you see how often he called her?

Poor Michelle. :mad:

I just read fast, I'm going to put my little dumplings to bed and try to read carefully.

Really Pathetic.:flamemad:

[Cardinal]

Looks like those pointing the finger at Kim were on the wrong track too.

Freely admitted.

[annalyzer]

I think she was reading at FPX (Scout's). I feel so bad for her now. It seems like she was really trying and he just blew Michelle's murder off like "people will forget all about it".

I feel bad for her too. I would hate for this to be my brother. And it's only going to get worse.

[annalyzer]

Freely admitted.

Wasn't even thinking of you Card, but you know we've all been wrong about some things. :seeya:

[whitywendy]

But the beating is what caused the death and it wouldn't have happened hours later. I still find it hard to believe Jason could not carry off a successful strangulation of his little wife.

Please....I guess you under estimate the power of "flight or FIGHT".

[jerzeegirl]

Looks to me like Kim is the level headed one. I feel bad for her too.

[annalyzer]

Please....I guess you under estimate the power of "flight or FIGHT".


No I don't. I have just seen too many cases of men managing to successfully strangle to death their wives.

[Barbara2]

No I don't. I have just seen too many cases of men managing to successfully strangle to death their wives.

I can't imagine someone even planning or carrying out something like this but from the searches, it looks to me like he planned to knock her out with one hit to the back of the head and then cut off the blood flow, possibly by pressing on the carotid artery. From the autopsy report, it sounds like elements of the plan were carried out but it didn't work out the way he thought it would. IMO

[annalyzer]

This whole Young family for all intents and purposes is dead.
How sad.
Oh bull**** Patrick. People murder every day. Life goes on.

[annalyzer]

I can't imagine someone even planning or carrying out something like this but from the searches, it looks to me like he planned to knock her out with one hit to the back of the head and then cut off the blood flow, possibly by pressing on the carotid artery. From the autopsy report, it sounds like elements of the plan were carried out but it didn't work out the way he thought it would. IMO


But why such an elaborate plan when all he had to do was strangle her to death? Murder never makes sense though does it.

[snow_ball]

One classy guy there. Searching for a gift on ebay No offense to ebay shoppers but really now!


And to top it off the bidding and final sale was done while he was on the way to the so called meeting.
Ther's no way he could have even bid this item and won.......what a jerk.

[Cardinal]

Wasn't even thinking of you Card, but you know we've all been wrong about some things. :seeya:

Thanks, Anna. :)

Goodnight for real, this time.

I'm going to bed, to pray, again, for justice for Michelle and Rylan.

:rose:

[Barbara2]

But why such an elaborate plan when all he had to do was strangle her to death? Murder never makes sense though does it.

I was thinking he wanted to do it in such a way that made it seem that she fell and hit her head. I'm thinking that he didn't want it to appear to be a murder. It still would have been necessary to get Meredith over there the next day to rescue Cassidy.

[annalyzer]

Thanks, Anna. :)

Goodnight for real, this time.

I'm going to bed, to pray, again, for justice for Michelle and Rylan.

:rose:
Nite Card. :rose:

[annalyzer]

I was thinking he wanted to do it in such a way that made it seem that she fell and hit her head. I'm thinking that he didn't want it to appear to be a murder. It still would have been necessary to get Meredith over there the next day to rescue Cassidy.


Oh, good thinking my dear!

[jerzeegirl]

gay bars, gay bars in NYC?

[annalyzer]

What an insensitive soul you are.

No that would be you after what you wrote. :no:

[annalyzer]

gay bars, gay bars in NYC?

Hmmmm........

[Barbara2]

I don't believe LE can prove Jason left and returned to the hotel.

I don't think they have to prove that he did. They just have to prove that he could have, and we've already seen that proof in search warrants.

[annalyzer]

I don't believe LE can prove Jason left and returned to the hotel.


I don't think they'll have to.

[jerry50]

So have I. And we now have the added element that Michlle Money not only loved him, she wanted to have his baby. This is incredible. No wonder his attorney told him to shut up.

Are you getting close to saying that JY is guilty? If he was innocent and MM did it, his lawyer would want him to talk.

All the JII's have said that there was nothing physical between MM and JY. How would she be able to get pregnant with his baby? TIA

[domdeux]

Nite Card. :rose:


Nite all...i am having trouble w/my orginal monniker...

i am sooo sickened after reading about this piece of drivel of a man....mad::flamemad:

[jerzeegirl]

i need to scream, they have more on him than SP. WTH! Take him IN!!!!!!!!!!! Even his sister had a feeling. I believe kim knows. Not because he told her, intuition.

[domdeux]

You're bizarre.

and you are supporting evil, ellie! as usual...

[JHP]

Are you getting close to saying that JY is guilty? If he was innocent and MM did it, his lawyer would want him to talk.

All the JII's have said that there was nothing physical between MM and JY. How would she be able to get pregnant with his baby? TIA

It actually says they had sexual intercourse twice.

[jerzeegirl]

Good point JG, they do have more on him than they had on "Scooter"....I have a funny feeling he will be hauled in within the week.

I COULD BE WRONG, so don't throw it in my face Mimi!!! Its just a feeling.


I recall a woman from wake arrested recently for murdering her husband 2 years ago and they never named her a suspect. Maybe this is wakes MO in some cases. Geez hurry up already, i almost wanna drive down there and protest in front of the DA's office. Anyone wanna carpool? LOL j/k

[Barbara2]

She told LE they had sex. This is the first legal document that states they had a physical relationship.

Nope, I don't believe Jason is guilty of murder. He tells Money that their two hearts will be broken. Nowhere in there is he making plans to be with her forever but Money tells someone else she wants to get pregnant with Jason's baby. And she does end up pregnant. Does anybody know when she had her baby? I'm wondering if she showed up at Michelle's door and confronted her with that news.

It's pretty clear Jason is following his lawyer's advice and not talking. Will these revelations today about Michelle Money change that? I suspect his lawyer already knows all about her.

That would have been tough to do since she didn't get pregnant until after Michelle died.

[Barbara2]

When did she get pregnant?

If all of those posts hadn't been deleted, we could go back and look it up. She got pregnant after Michelle was killed. I don't have the date but someone else might. Gojo was the one who broke the news. Maybe he can tell you.

[whitywendy]

No I don't. I have just seen too many cases of men managing to successfully strangle to death their wives.

I believe I took your comment out of text... my bad..

[Barbara2]

If you are so sure, why hasn't he been arrested? Two years later and they are still getting search warrants for a computer he didn't obtain until months after the murder? What do they hope to find on a computer? A confession. This investigation was so bungled from the beginning, their only resort is to try to hang him with his own words.

What's interesting is that Jason and Michelle appeared to be trying to amend their discord. He was buying her a gift and she was seeing a therapist and they turned to family for counsel and support.

He had 50 calls/text messages to MM the day before his wife was killed. That doesn't sound like someone who is trying to amend any discord in his marriage.

[annalyzer]

If you are so sure, why hasn't he been arrested? Two years later and they are still getting search warrants for a computer he didn't obtain until months after the murder? What do they hope to find on a computer? A confession. This investigation was so bungled from the beginning, their only resort is to try to hang him with his own words.

What's interesting is that Jason and Michelle appeared to be trying to amend their discord. He was buying her a gift and she was seeing a therapist and they turned to family for counsel and support.

Looks to me like he wanted to hook up with MM.

[whitywendy]

ABOUT DAMN TIME!!! For those who kept saying that this WDS was ALL about the $$$$... hmmmmmmm

I hate to gloat for the others....but I will..:tongue::tongue:

Thank you LF for speeding up the process of arresting his sorry a**

[annalyzer]

After what I've read about Jason no wonder Michelle was seeing a therapist. Poor woman.

[JHP]

Unless all those were because he ended their affair and Money wasn't happy about it.



Have you actually read the search warrant:shrug:

[Barbara2]

Unless all those were because he ended their affair and Money wasn't happy about it.

And yet their communications continued after his wife died. If he wanted to break it off, all he had to do is not answer her calls. We know that he knew how to do that based on the search warrant.

[whitywendy]

Unless all those were because he ended their affair and Money wasn't happy about it.
I guess you chose not to read the docs's. MM and JY had continued communicating until the beginning of 2008, which included the 2007 Myrtle Beach visit.

Sounds to me that Mrs. Young and Mrs. Money need to lawyer up.

[JHP]

ABOUT DAMN TIME!!! For those who kept saying that this WDS was ALL about the $$$$... hmmmmmmm

I hate to gloat for the others....but I will..:tongue::tongue:

Thank you LF for speeding up the process of arresting his sorry a**

Oh, there's no question his sorry a$$ should be arrested. Whats taking so long???

[whitywendy]

Why did Michelle so dislike sex?

:eek::eek: on that note I am out of here..good nite:seeya:

[annalyzer]

I guess you chose not to read the docs's. MM and JY had continued communicating until the beginning of 2008, which included the 2007 Myrtle Beach visit.

Sounds to me that Mrs. Young and Mrs. Money need to lawyer up.


MM is a wicked witch. :mad:

[whitywendy]

Oh, there's no question his sorry a$$ should be arrested. Whats taking so long???

okay one more...I HOPE it is within the week. We waited 2 years. a couple more weeks won't completely criple us.:tongue:

[annalyzer]

Why did Michelle so dislike sex?


That's what he said. Probably as an excuse to get in other women's pants.

[im4justice]

I guess you chose not to read the docs's. MM and JY had continued communicating until the beginning of 2008, which included the 2007 Myrtle Beach visit.

Sounds to me that Mrs. Young and Mrs. Money need to lawyer up.

28 calls between Jason and his Mom prior to 1:37pm on Nove 3 2006. I wonder what time those calls started and how long they lasted? Wish we knew but something stinks IMO

[JHP]

okay one more...I HOPE it is within the week. We waited 2 years. a couple more weeks won't completely criple us.:tongue:


Well, thats true, but Cassidy needs to be safe. I'll hope for within the week also.

:seeya:Goodnight

[annalyzer]

Almost a half hour late for his meeting and appeared nervous.

[im4justice]

Yes, I read that. Nothing illegal about Jason and Money continuing communicating, is there? Michelle's murder made Jason "available" didn't it?

What LE is looking for is anything at all that ties either of them to Michelle's murder.

Why does Mrs. Young need to lawyer up? I'd say Ms. Money is the one who needs a lawyer and Mr. Money might want to obtain one as well. She sounds like a real piece of work.

Do you realize you are making a fool of yourself?

[annalyzer]

But he complained about it to his male friends as well. And it is a fact Michelle went to a therapist who had sexual counseling as one of her specialties isn't it?


Well I don't know about you but from what I've read about Jason I wouldn't want to have sex with him either. barf

[JHP]

28 calls between Jason and his Mom prior to 1:37pm on Nove 3 2006. I wonder what time those calls started and how long they lasted? Wish we knew but something stinks IMO

Yes it does. I still think something happened on the CA trip. Maybe we'll know someday.

[JHP]

Well I don't know about you but from what I've read about Jason I wouldn't want to have sex with him either. barf

I'm wondering if he had some sort of sexual addiction. He was searching gay bars. Poor Michelle all she wanted was a happy family.

:flamemad:

[annalyzer]

He was Michelle's choice for a husband and father to her children. I just wonder what the issue was that lead her to the therapist.

The issues are spelled out in the sw. There is no way Michelle was completely ignorant to everything Jason was doing and saying.

[mysterybuff]

Considering that he was looking up gay bars, i believe it is possible that his sexual conversations with co-workers may have been to cover-up sexual tendencies that he wasn't comfortable with. at least a possibility.

[annalyzer]

Perhaps Michelle did know about it but how would a therapist help her if the problem was all Jason's fault? Jason wasn't seeing the therapist.

Maybe Jason was telling her it was all her fault. We won't know until the trial and I do believe there will be a trial unless someone confesses first.

[dkny]

Why would a copy of the Fishers' divorce papers EVER show up in the newspaper? Why would anyone be interested in publishing something like that from years ago in a newspaper? Especially since they aren't relevant to Michelle's murder? How do you know what Michelle was subjected to growing up? Care to explain how you come by your super secret knowledge and how that would relate to Jason murdering Michelle?

Why would she spend time in NY? Because that's where her mother and other family member live foolish woman. Why she was murdered? "Rattling bones"? :D You need to pick up a phone right now and call LE if you think YOU know why she was murdered!! Do you know how ridiculous your post is? The only thing "rattling" is the marbles in your head!!

My sides hurt !!! I can not believe the sw info released, it is worse than I thought. JMO

[mysterybuff]

how is that looking up gay bars tied into the murder of his wife?

That's a fair question. But, since his conversations were part of the report, i just added my two-cents worth as to why he may have engaged in these conversations.

[annalyzer]

how is that looking up gay bars tied into the murder of his wife?


May not be directly tied to the murder but a little strange that a, er, happily married man is searching gay bars on the internet.

[annalyzer]

Please direct me to the statements where we should believe that Michelle was not completely ignorant about Jason having an affair with Michelle Money, that he was interested in gay bars, that he was interested in head trauma knockout. Do you really think Michelle knew all this and stayed with him???


Please take a reading comprehension course before responding to any more of my posts. Good grief. A woman can sense things are wrong in her marriage. I did not say she was aware of any of the things you stated.

[Jules2]

how is that looking up gay bars tied into the murder of his wife?


Why would a married man with a child on the way be googling gay bars in NY?

Why would he be surfing porn sites?

The SW shows that he was having an affair, was described by co-workers as flirtatious towards women and he was on the inter net checking out porn sites and gay bars.

Then his wife ends up murdered.

If you can't see the relevance in that, then you are blinder than I thought.


IMO

[mysterybuff]

Yes, but if he was 'hiding' wouldn't he want to continue the facade of marriage? Murdering the wife seems to be the exact opposite behavior.

I believe he was more interested in portraying the image of a macho man.

[annalyzer]

I bet everybody's computer has a little strange google history tossed in the mix. It sure makes good innuendo in a search warrant.


Yep, especially when your spouse is murdered and you are conveniently out of town.

[JHP]

28 phone calls between Jason and Pat on November 3rd???

Ending at 1:37, minutes after Meredith called 911???

Jason ignoring all calls from Linda on November 3rd???

Has Pat known all along???

I think she has. I couldn't find in the S/W where it said who contacted Mrs. Young about Michelles death.

Suspicious:cuss:

[annalyzer]

I think she has. I couldn't find in the S/W where it said who contacted Mrs. Young about Michelles death.

Suspicious:cuss:
Probably LF after she couldn't get ahold of JY.

[Kat4Eagles]

I am here.

Let me catch up, I can see something has happened.

Kat

[jerzeegirl]

i think its very telling that he would not answer nor return lindas calls that day. Reason?

1. His pregnant wife is with his child alone the night before the calls from Linda.

2. His wife has a history of miscarriage.

3. He had already tried calling micheles work and cell and couldnt get in touch with her.

4. But yet while Linda was trying to call him, he was on the phone with Michele Money AND proceeded to speak to her for the 27 minutes before he arrived at his mothers house.

[annalyzer]

So according to you Michelle sensed things were wrong, .


Yes and likely why she was seeing a therapist. Do you have any other explanation of why she would be seeing a therapist?

[Jules2]

i think its very telling that he would not answer nor return lindas calls that day. Reason?

1. His pregnant wife is with his child alone the night before the calls from Linda.

2. His wife has a history of miscarriage.

3. He had already tried calling micheles work and cell and couldnt get in touch with her.

4. But yet while Linda was trying to call him, he was on the phone with Michele Money AND proceeded to speak to her for the 27 minutes before he arrived at his mothers house.


IMO he knew why Linda was calling him and avoided that call because he needed more time to rehearse the plumb-to-his-knees fall.

[jerzeegirl]

I think the reason is that he didn't like the woman and didn't want to talk to her. Why didn't Meredith call him?

i could only guess and say she was a little busy with LE and cassidy

[annalyzer]

The search warrant today has facts, and no where does it even imply that Michelle knew anything about what Jason was up to. She was clearly ignorant of the fact that Jason was sleeping with her friends, and she was oblivious to the fact that he was interested in head trauma injury - something that she COINCIDENTALLY died of.


Do you just like to argue for the heck of it? I did not say Michelle knew about any of the things in that sw! A woman can sense when something is wrong in her marriage! :punch:

[Jules2]

Yet she had time to call both her mother and Pat Young? Just not the guy who was the husband and father?

No one knows what was discussed in those phone conversations. It's quite possible that Meredith contacted her mother first and Linda might have told Meredith that she would contact Jason and Meredith should call Pat. Why would she then try calling him herself?

[annalyzer]

now, how could he possibly even guess that was the reason Fisher was calling him? She lived in New York and it was Meredith who he asked to go to the house in Raleigh.

If he killed Michelle he would know damn well why she would be calling him. It's not like they chatted every day.

[Jules2]

If he killed Michelle he would know damn well why she would be calling him. It's not like they chatted every day.


Thank you annalyzer. That was exactly the point I was making.

[annalyzer]

I could see that if it was Meredith's phone call he didn't answer. But his MIL, who lived in New York? Sorry, I think the reason he didn't answer is because he didn't like her and didn't want to talk to her. His mother knew the bad news and he answered her calls. He spoke to police, briefly as it was. Ignoring a MIL's phone calls is not evidence of murder. Not when he answered other calls, including the cops.
How many times did he talk with mommy that day?

[Kat4Eagles]

I wonder if any of them will be able to admit that several points they have argued for two years are now proven wrong. For example, there are months of arguments claiming Michelle Money and Jason were nothing more than telephone buddies. There is no question now that there was an affair.



I have no problem saying I was wrong..

This is a lot to take in, though.

I will come back and admit anything and everything I was wrong about.

I always said I would be here when this happened, no matter which way it went.

Kat

[annalyzer]

I'd like to know that, too.

Maybe they did but it's just not in the warrants.

[dkny]

I agree that he didn't like her and didn't want to talk to her. He didn't want to talk to her because he knew what she was going to tell him. He didn't want it to be her who told him. He wanted to hear it from his own family, so he could fall plumb to his knees and be understood.

Linda would be too uncomfortable a person to talk to.

She would be the most UNCOMFORTABLE person to talk too. JMHO

[annalyzer]

That's news that should be delivered to someone when not behind the wheel of a car.


That can be easily done. "Jason, pull off the road and call me back. I have something important to tell you."

Read the sw. Jason tried calling Michelle twice that afternoon. Michelle is pregnant. He can't get ahold of her. His mil calls out of the blue and asks him to call her and he doesn't.

[annalyzer]

Let us know if you believe Jason avoiding his MIL's phone calls is evidence he killed Michelle.

Of course it isn't evidence he killed Michelle. But don't you see the CE piling up?

[annalyzer]

Twenty-eight calls seems excessive, even if she didn't answer them all. That's twenty-eight calls before 2:00 PM. I think it put the last one at 1:37, or something near it.

The warrant shows a pattern of calls to his mother, and there were many days listed where there were only one or two calls. In the 30 days before Michelle was killed, Jason called his mother on 22. On seven of those 22 days, he called her once.

From Oct 4, to Nov 2, he calls his mother an average of approx. 3.6 times a day. And on Nov 3, he calls her 28 times?

But what could it possibly mean except maybe he was nervous and stressed and just wanted to talk to someone who "understands" him? I tend to call and talk more than usual under times of duress.

[dkny]

I think KY hit it on the head re JY resenting MY. JMO

[annalyzer]

He was nervous, stressed, and after 20 phone calls, Pat was still being the patient mom to her 30 something son helping him through his stress? What could have been so stressful that it took 28 calls until the moment the murder was reported for him to relax?


Okay, why do you think Jason called him mom so many times that day?

[annalyzer]

28 calls between Jason and mom on November 3. It is in the search warrant.


What is wrong with you????? I wasn't talking about his phone calls with his mother! hammer

[annalyzer]

That's not safe, which is why LE won't do it.

I doubt I'd return a call if it just says, "Pull off the road and call me back." Especially if it was from someone I disliked. Why didn't Fisher leave him a message that it was about Michelle?

In the long run does it really make a difference? I mean really.

[annalyzer]

I have no idea. All I care about is the fact that it's highly abnormal and indicative of a problem, a serious problem. Jason was acting abnormal for some reason on the day that Michelle was murdered. His abnormal telephone activity abruptly stopped shortly after the murder was reported - 2 minutes later, to be exact.


Of course it's abnormal and I was trying to give a reason for him calling so many times. He was nervous and stressed after murdering his wife!

[alter ego]

I'm not so sure Michelle was totally ignorant about Michelle Money. From the wording on the search warrant, Meredith was counseling Jason.
yeah, what was up with that :confused:

[alter ego]

now, how could he possibly even guess that was the reason Fisher was calling him? She lived in New York and it was Meredith who he asked to go to the house in Raleigh.
Good point.

[alter ego]

Yes and likely why she was seeing a therapist. Do you have any other explanation of why she would be seeing a therapist?Because her and Jason weren't getting along and her sister was siding with Jason and counseling him on how to deal with his wife :shrug:

At least that's what it sounds like in the SW.

[annalyzer]

No, that isn't close enough. Maybe Jason Young searched for the terms for the same reason you did? Or, Jason Young worked in health care. Anatomy of a knockout could be about boxing. Michelle wasn't knocked out with someone's fist, she was bludgeoned with an object repeadly and I've done plenty of similar searches when I follow some of the cases.


And then Michelle ends up murdered. How did that happen?

[annalyzer]

Because her and Jason weren't getting along and her sister was siding with Jason and counseling him on how to deal with his wife :shrug:

At least that's what it sounds like in the SW.

Well that's basically what I said. Michelle sensed something was wrong in the marriage could equal them not getting along.

[Kat4Eagles]

what I find interesting is that there is a sealed warrant that they sat on for almost a year before returning it and sealing it. This one today was requested, executed, returned and in the hands of media within hours.


.........what I find interesting right now, is that I am going to be sick and I am stunned, shocked, sad and feeling pretty stupid.

And, no this doesn't help.

:(
Kat

[jerry50]

.........what I find interesting right now, is that I am going to be sick and I am stunned, shocked, sad and feeling pretty stupid.

And, no this doesn't help.

:(
Kat

What's even sadder is how much more incriminating evidence will be coming out. These few emails are just the tip of the iceberg.
Did you notice the mention of the car accident?

[jerry50]

Does that mean you're having doubts about your position?
Would that mean that all the people that argued so strenuously about facts that are now laid bare in the search warrant can all come back?

This question was not directed to me but I would like to see the JDI's who were unfairly banned come back and I rhink that the moderator owes both Linda and Meredith an apology for allowing the hate that has spewed across this board for the last 2 years.

[alter ego]

.........what I find interesting right now, is that I am going to be sick and I am stunned, shocked, sad and feeling pretty stupid.

And, no this doesn't help.

:(
KatDon't feel stupid.

Don't ever feel stupid for affording someone the benefit of the doubt or extending IUPG. Ever.

The blisters on the feet has me scratching my head. Why would he wear a smaller sized shoe long enough to leave blisters? There were obviously 2 pairs of shoes worn.

[jerry50]

I think Jason is going to lose that wrongful death lawsuit, no matter what he says.

That's a given.
I am interested in what others will say under oath about their connection to the crime and killer. Perjury is punishable.

[annalyzer]

This question was not directed to me but I would like to see the JDI's who were unfairly banned come back and I rhink that the moderator owes both Linda and Meredith an apology for allowing the hate that has spewed across this board for the last 2 years.

I don't think anyone was "unfairly" banned. You break the TOS you get banned. Everyone has a right to their opinion and if they opined they thought this or that about the Fisher's it was their right.

[Kat4Eagles]

Why? What do you think LE will find on his work computer that ties him to the murder?



It's not just the computer, it is so many things.

That I had this impression of someone who I wanted to be innocent so very badly.

This is just too much.

I feel bad for Kim and Heather and Pat, to have Jason's words out there, so callous and so uncaring.

Even about himself.

And MM?

They were in love, they were going to have broken hearts, poor things.

And MM keeps communicating with him?

And, Michelle dies?

And MM has a new baby?

And, Jason?

What were they thinking?

I wasn't kidding about being sick.

Kat

[annalyzer]

Don't feel stupid.

Don't ever feel stupid for affording someone the benefit of the doubt or extending IUPG. Ever.

The blisters on the feet has me scratching my head. Why would he wear a smaller sized shoe long enough to leave blisters? There were obviously 2 pairs of shoes worn.

Yeah he would have had to worn them longer than to just stage the scene. If he wore the shoes home that were shown on the video that leaves the Franklin's out on the drive home.

[jerry50]

Don't feel stupid.

Don't ever feel stupid for affording someone the benefit of the doubt or extending IUPG. Ever.

The blisters on the feet has me scratching my head. Why would he wear a smaller sized shoe long enough to leave blisters? There were obviously 2 pairs of shoes worn.

I agree about the shoes because when he planned to commit the crime I don't think that he was anticipating a bloody mess so he wouldn't have worn smaller shoes to leave bloody prints to mislead LE. However maybe it is possible that he did wear smaller shoes because he thought that forensic technology would be able to "see" the footprints and by wearing the smaller size they would never suspect him.

[Kat4Eagles]

Someone needs to start a new thread.

I missed what page the car accident is mentioned on, if someone will tell me in the am.

But not tonite.

This is enough.

Kat

[alter ego]

To make it look like there were two killers. He tried to stage the scene and the police saw through it right away - therefore stating that it was not random.

I'd like to know what's wrong with the prosecutor that he hasn't stepped up to the plate and tried this case.

He can't try a case that hasn't been solved.

[jerry50]

I don't think anyone was "unfairly" banned. You break the TOS you get banned. Everyone has a right to their opinion and if they opined they thought this or that about the Fisher's it was their right.

The posters did not get banned for breaking the TOS. Posters got banned for being incensed tha Meredith was being accused of taking Cassidy's socks and dipping them in Michele's blood in order to make the alledged footprints.

BTW, libeling someone is not a right.

[bookie]

Don't feel stupid.

Don't ever feel stupid for affording someone the benefit of the doubt or extending IUPG. Ever.

The blisters on the feet has me scratching my head. Why would he wear a smaller sized shoe long enough to leave blisters? There were obviously 2 pairs of shoes worn.



It sounds to me like he had calluses and not blisters. What has me scratching my head is the gay bars in NYC. Michelle was the one with ties, not JY. Didn't we hear that he stayed home when she went to visit her mom?

[annalyzer]

The posters did not get banned for breaking the TOS. Posters got banned for being incensed tha Meredith was being accused of taking Cassidy's socks and dipping them in Michele's blood in order to make the alledged footprints.

BTW, libeling someone is not a right.


You can get incensed about something and avoid breaking TOS. It's not that hard. I've seen some pretty nasty things said about the Youngs too so it goes both ways. :seeya:

[bookie]

search warrant says blisters. I think you are right, he did stay home and didn't go to NYC. Maybe he wasn't searching for himself?


Or someone else was using his computer?

[annalyzer]

Or someone else was using his computer?


He could've done a search for someone else. I search things all the time for others. :shrug:

[alter ego]

It sounds to me like he had calluses and not blisters. What has me scratching my head is the gay bars in NYC. Michelle was the one with ties, not JY. Didn't we hear that he stayed home when she went to visit her mom?
"blister like irritations" whatever the hell that means. If obtained from wearing too small of shoes during the commission of the murder, then when did he change into them, then out of them and into the other shoes to leave those shoe prints on blood but still have worn the too small shoes to leave 'blister like irritations' bad enough to still be visible 5 days later.

Yeah, gay bars in NY. What in the world. :confused:

[BiggerRedDog]

That search warrant sure has a hodge podge of stuff thrown into it that makes no sense whatsoever.
I'm sorry it doesn't make sense to you, JBobJones.

[BiggerRedDog]

It's not just the computer, it is so many things.
That I had this impression of someone who I wanted to be innocent so very badly.
This is just too much.
I feel bad for Kim and Heather and Pat, to have Jason's words out there, so callous and so uncaring.
Even about himself.
And MM?
They were in love, they were going to have broken hearts, poor things.
And MM keeps communicating with him?
And, Michelle dies?
And MM has a new baby?
And, Jason?
What were they thinking?
I wasn't kidding about being sick.
Kat
I don't blame you for feeling sick, Kat. I do too; though more from the extent of JLY's depravity than a feeling of being betrayed. Guess I always "just knew" this guy was a sick SOB and had everything to do with the death of his wife and unborn son. That he hasn't been arrested is beyond me, but I have faith that LE and the DA know what they're doing, within the confines in which they have to do it.

[BiggerRedDog]

JBob has his fingers in his ears, singing, "La la la la lala lala la..."That's a nice, handy, tune, Doorbell. :)

[Samiya]

It's not just the computer, it is so many things.

That I had this impression of someone who I wanted to be innocent so very badly.

This is just too much.

I feel bad for Kim and Heather and Pat, to have Jason's words out there, so callous and so uncaring.

Even about himself.

And MM?

They were in love, they were going to have broken hearts, poor things.

And MM keeps communicating with him?

And, Michelle dies?

And MM has a new baby?

And, Jason?

What were they thinking?

I wasn't kidding about being sick.

Kat

Welcome to the dark side, young Jedi

:seeya:

[Leanne Weich]

Thanks, Anna. :)

Goodnight for real, this time.

I'm going to bed, to pray, again, for justice for Michelle and Rylan.

:rose:

Card, I hope you have a good night's sleep. I know you have kept an open mind and, without being totally blinkered, have tried to give Jason the benefit of the doubt. On various fora I have seen some of his staunchest supporters come back and apologize for not having seen the light sooner. An apology was never necessary as that is what friends are for but I do admire them for being big enough to say "I can no longer support this guy" - paraphrasing. You, too, have been very fair in your analysis of what we knew for fact. Some of us appear to have relied on the right person for inside information to confirm our gut instincts and, in a way, I guess we all feel vindicated, to a large degree today whilst still being unbelievably sad and others have put all their eggs in the basket of the old Brevardian who has spent 2 years writing riddles on any forum he hasn't been banned from.

I have a feeling (not pedicting anything) that not many more GJs will go by without an indictment now. Try to find peace knowing you were always a fair adjudicator of what corroborated facts we had. You'd make an ideal jury member, imo. :rose:

[Leanne Weich]

Oh yes, remember the site - was it The Wedding Knot or something similar.
I seem to recall a poster whose love for sport is perhaps greater than her hatred of Le and the Fisher Family, proudly and loudly proclaiming that JLY loved Michelle so much they had the fantasy announcement and TWO weddings. Guess poor lil Jason didn't know what he wanted and made the same mistake twice over!!! What's your excuse now Kat4Evil?

I'm quoting my own post as it is too late to retract it. Kat my last sentence was totally uncalled for and I do sincerely apologize. I'm sorry you are feeling sick and that your total trust in Jason has been shaken. Today was sure an eye opener and, without a doubt, I'm sure you're not the only one who feels like they've been kicked in the gut (poetic license on my part on the kicked in the gut comment). I do believe you wanted (and hopefully still want) justice for Michelle and Rylan but didn't want to even consider Jason as a possible perp. I guess in the large scheme of things, most of us have been wrong in our perceptions of who the perp. is in certain crimes, but we live on to fight another day. I sincerely hope you will tone down your comments about Meredith and Linda now, knowing how hard it was for you listening to harsh comments about Jason. :seeya:

Despite your valiant attempt at supporting Jayson, I do think that you always wanted justice for Michelle but could not accep

[Cardinal]

Leanne, thank you for your kind words to me, and thank you for your apology to Kat. Maybe you could PM CW and ask her to delete the post you weren't able to retract.

I'm going to start a new thread, since I have a feeling it will be needed today.

[jerry50]

It sounds to me like he had calluses and not blisters. What has me scratching my head is the gay bars in NYC. Michelle was the one with ties, not JY. Didn't we hear that he stayed home when she went to visit her mom?

Once we see a timeline from LE it may be that the bar searches were made at the same time that JY had a trip scheduled to New York. We don't know all of the times he or they may have been planning to go to NY. Maybe initially Michele wanted him to go with her to NY after the miscarriage and he was checking things out for things to do while he was there.

[jerry50]

Someone needs to start a new thread.

I missed what page the car accident is mentioned on, if someone will tell me in the am.

But not tonite.

This is enough.

Kat

Kat, the reference to the car accident is at the very bottom of page 7.

I wonder if the sealed warrant makes reference to it because on this warrant there is no additional explanation except for us to think that JY was very unhappy and that the night of the 2nd/3rd was not the first attempt at Michelle's life.

:rose:Michelle and Rylan

[Wyn]

I am here.

Let me catch up, I can see something has happened.

Kat

:lol:

That's an understatement. Page EIGHT will be of great interest to you.

Hope that helps!!! ;)

[jerzeegirl]

hi wyn, cardinal started a new thread for today. C U there :)