Amanda Knox will stand trial

[Aradia5]

I am lost too.:angry:

[dgfred]

I am lost too.:angry:

Don't be, everything is muddled up in this case.

[Aradia5]

If Knox is convicted, it will be a first.

No other woman has been found guilty of a frenzied sex attack, leading to the death of the victim, in which she was the instigator and main protagonist. Of course, this does not mean she is necessarily innocent, but I would wager that she probably is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/05/meredith-kercher-murder-trial-amanda-knox


Guess everyone has an opinion :unsure:

[Aradia5]

Don't be, everything is muddled up in this case.

It is getting more muddled by the minute to as the trial starts tomorrow.

Tic Toc Tic Toc

[dgfred]

If Knox is convicted, it will be a first.

No other woman has been found guilty of a frenzied sex attack, leading to the death of the victim, in which she was the instigator and main protagonist. Of course, this does not mean she is necessarily innocent, but I would wager that she probably is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/05/meredith-kercher-murder-trial-amanda-knox


Guess everyone has an opinion :unsure:

Her actions/answers to the murder were quite strange... and suspicious.

[Aradia5]

Her actions/answers to the murder were quite strange... and suspicious.

IMO-If she would have stuck to her first story, she would be home.

[dgfred]

IMO, there is much more than just Amanda's stories keeping her in jail. Physical evidence.

You are probably right, but it is very circumstancial.

[Aradia5]

IMO, there is much more than just Amanda's stories keeping her in jail. Physical evidence.

Like what? Everything I see is her boyfriends (knife, shoe). I'd love to know if there is physical evidence.

[dgfred]

Aradia- Do you know for sure if Amanda actually went into the bathroom
with all the blood in it after the murder? Didn't she mention the doo in the toilet? How could she have been in there and not flipped out over all that blood?

[Aradia5]

Aradia- Do you know for sure if Amanda actually went into the bathroom
with all the blood in it after the murder? Didn't she mention the doo in the toilet? How could she have been in there and not flipped out over all that blood?

IIRC - Two seperate bathrooms.

Blood in one, Doo doo in the other.

[dgfred]

Why oh why would anyone commit a crime, then leave that in the toilet at the crime scene :unsure: :huh: ???

[Aradia5]

Why oh why would anyone commit a crime, then leave that in the toilet at the crime scene :unsure: :huh: ???
Guede:
He said: "Amanda and Raffaele were at the house that night. I saw them.
"When I came out of the bathroom I saw a male figure. I put my hand on his shoulder and he had a knife in his hand.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-547048/Foxy-Knoxy-Meredith-murder-scene-says-suspect.html

I guess that is the excuse for the doo doo. I guess Polizia(sp) LOL never asked him why he didn't flush. :rolleyes:

[dgfred]

Dang, I've never heard of such a thing as that :scared: . What are your chances of getting away with anything leaving a pile of DNA there?
Crazy, crazy I say. I'm not sure he can be believed about anything.

[Aradia5]

Dang, I've never heard of such a thing as that :scared: . What are your chances of getting away with anything leaving a pile of DNA there?
Crazy, crazy I say. I'm not sure he can be believed about anything.

I really wonder if he did it alone. :shrug:

[dgfred]

I really wonder if he did it alone. :shrug:


I do too, but Amanda 'stories' and the bar owner really got my attention
also. Ready for some evidence in this case too :blink: .

[Aradia5]

No, but other people did. WoW

Meredith Kercher murder trial: Rudy Guede 'was violent to women'
One of three people accused of murdering British student Meredith Kercher in an Italian hill town was a habitual drunk, a drug user and a thief who was violent towards women, new evidence claims.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2976250/Meredith-Kercher-murder-trial-Rudy-Guede-was-violent-to-women.html

[cloe23]

Her actions/answers to the murder were quite strange... and suspicious.

ITA. Wonder if the LE interviews with Amanda were recorded?
Then Amanda's behavior and statement would be more believable/unbelievable.
It would also be more clear if Rudy Guede's trial and conviction was public record.

[KOAB]

I'd never heard of this til now. Interesting. What's the take on this? Is she guilty due to the constantly changing story or is she innocent and just a **** up because she couldn't keep her story straight?

[cloe23]

No, but other people did. WoW

Meredith Kercher murder trial: Rudy Guede 'was violent to women'
One of three people accused of murdering British student Meredith Kercher in an Italian hill town was a habitual drunk, a drug user and a thief who was violent towards women, new evidence claims.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2976250/Meredith-Kercher-murder-trial-Rudy-Guede-was-violent-to-women.html

Even though Rudy fled home LE suspected that he was involved after finding his finger prints in the system. I read this in one of the links.
Is has also been reported in a interview with Rudy's adopted father that they had to finally give up on the guy because of his actions.

[cloe23]

It is really hard for me to tell whether she was setting him up for a meeting with Meredith or whether as the fall guy for her murder.

At first I thought that he was the 'fall guy' after reading that he received a text 'She is home now' from Amanda. Then I read more and he changed his Sim card! So maybe he was invited to play a part in the rape but chicken out? Supports his changing of Sim card, imo.
LE didn't keep him in custody for very long is very telling that they didn't have any physical evidence on him.
BTW what is this bar owners name? To lazy to look:closedeyes:
Amanda cried to the judge at one of her appearances and apologized for placing blame on him, the bar owner.

[cloe23]

Why oh why would anyone commit a crime, then leave that in the toilet at the crime scene :unsure: :huh: ???

I wonder if Rudy was sickened by the knife and blood, used the bathroom and forgot to flush. I read somewhere and still can't find the link, the bathroom was bleached, very little evidence found. When I first heard of this case I was under the impression that there was only one bathroom? Still a link I am looking for.
Back to your question, just a theory that Amanda and Raffaele cleaned up themselves and cleaned up the bathroom but intentionally left the toilet unflushed to leave Rudy's DNA.
Rudy is reportedly a witness in the trial of Amanda and Raffaele.
The guy ran home. Raffaele and Amanda were kissing at the crime scene and later shopped for underwear with Meredith's money.

[lunchlady]

At first I thought that he was the 'fall guy' after reading that he received a text 'She is home now' from Amanda. Then I read more and he changed his Sim card! So maybe he was invited to play a part in the rape but chicken out? Supports his changing of Sim card, imo.
LE didn't keep him in custody for very long is very telling that they didn't have any physical evidence on him.
BTW what is this bar owners name? To lazy to look:closedeyes:
Amanda cried to the judge at one of her appearances and apologized for placing blame on him, the bar owner.

The bar owner's name is Lumumba, don't remember his first name.

[Aradia5]

I wonder if Rudy was sickened by the knife and blood, used the bathroom and forgot to flush. I read somewhere and still can't find the link, the bathroom was bleached, very little evidence found. When I first heard of this case I was under the impression that there was only one bathroom? Still a link I am looking for.
Back to your question, just a theory that Amanda and Raffaele cleaned up themselves and cleaned up the bathroom but intentionally left the toilet unflushed to leave Rudy's DNA.
Rudy is reportedly a witness in the trial of Amanda and Raffaele.
The guy ran home. Raffaele and Amanda were kissing at the crime scene and later shopped for underwear with Meredith's money.

And that she returned to the apartment in Via della Pergola 7 at 1100 on the successive morning and had found the door open, that she tried to call the housemates but had no response, and that she was in one of the two bathrooms when she found traces of blood which she did not worry about cleaning, and to have noticed that in the other bathroom the water was full of faeces,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1568861/How-the-sex-game-went-wrong-Judge's-report.html


ummm :confused:

[Aradia5]

I'd never heard of this til now. Interesting. What's the take on this? Is she guilty due to the constantly changing story or is she innocent and just a **** up because she couldn't keep her story straight?

Hi KOAB! Welcome!

Right now, I don't have a take on it. Until I have heard real evidence (which God willing starts tomorrow!) all I can say is I haven't seen any physical evidence linking her to this crime. I think her MOUTH link her to it. She could have set the whole thing up IMO.

We shall see....
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Sit tight, we are in for a rollercoaster ride.

It is 3:57 am (CET) Friday, Feb 6, 2009 in Rome right now.

[dgfred]

I'd never heard of this til now. Interesting. What's the take on this? Is she guilty due to the constantly changing story or is she innocent and just a **** up because she couldn't keep her story straight?

We have nothing but bits and pieces so we know little for sure.

It seems Raf stood up in court and proclaimed his complete innocence.

[cloe23]

The bar owner's name is Lumumba, don't remember his first name.

Thanks.
'Diya' Patrick Lumumba, Bar owner.

[gmr32]

A suggestion. Read the links then post. We've been discussing this case for a while. It's not something new. Meredith was murdered in '07.

[mafitz701]

TY for the link. These photos don't look right to me. Why is Meredith's bathroom saturated in blood and very little blood where the assault is suggested to take place? Meredith was found under the comforter.
I am not questioning you posting the link, I am questioning the link. Looking at these photos to me suggests that the perp was injured to the degree of needing medical attention. I have read that it took some time for Meredith to bleed to death. If she went to the bathroom there would be a different pattern of blood splatter.
I question why there is that much transfer blood in the bathroom and very little in the rest of the house.
Further more this blood looks pink, given time wouldn't it be reddish-brown?

You and me both! I totally agree and had a problem with the bloody bathroom versus the lack of blood spatter in the bedroom earlier and no one seemed to have a problem with it.

Also she had one deep stab wound to the throat and the other two wounds to the area were little picks, not enough to cause that amount of blood. So how did the bathroom end up so bloody? She had bruising but no other injuries to her body that were bloody.

[mafitz701]

Found the crime scene video check links section for the links to it. Sorry I do not know why but I had found a much better news video site way back a few weeks ago and did not bookmark it.

SlickLime I have to take issue with something you said on this case about the US media. In truth the only country's media gossip mongering and prejudging on this case has been within England. Not even the UK just England.

Too much frill. The only site I found out of England that was just reporting on the case was the UK Guardian site.

The evidence found on the Natalie Holloway murder was not lacking either. The video evidence alone of their prime suspect is incriminating. So why so one sided in your approach?

Anywho. I am off.

[cloe23]

The DNA only matched Meredith by 1%. :confused: And they said it was NOT blood DNA :confused:

Did I get that wrong?
Not rude at all. I am no fan of NG. :biggrin:

If this is the case then this evidence wouldn't be allowed in the US courts, IIRC the match has to 4% or more.(Not certain if this percentage is correct)
Wonder how it is ruled in Italy. This DNA could of been transfer from something that both Meredith and Amanda used/touched something so moot as a light switch. Just a thought.

[Aradia5]

If this is the case then this evidence wouldn't be allowed in the US courts, IIRC the match has to 4% or more.(Not certain if this percentage is correct)
Wonder how it is ruled in Italy. This DNA could of been transfer from something that both Meredith and Amanda used/touched something so moot as a light switch. Just a thought.

It matched 1%

It the knife didn't match the cut her throat, it isn't the murder weapon. :shrug: