Yahooo! They're Leaving!! "some migrants return south"

[herlock h.]

Evidently this horrible economic black cloud has a silver lining:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27363874/

I'm excited. I hope the exodus continues and those who are truly interested in becoming honest citizens of this country do the right, legal thing. I know I would welcome them.

Herlock

[Details]

It really is that simple - take the jobs away - whether by economy, or by law (and we can do that - Arizona did!) - and they go away - on their own.

I think we could lose a huge number of illegals with just a bit of law to require employers to validate citizenship in the database. An easy fix.

[lita456]

You are absolutely correct. I don't think anyone objects to immigrants coming - most of us are the children, grandchildren, etc. - of immigrants. I just expect those entering our country to treat our country with respect - which they do when they follow our laws. When they enter illegally it looks like they are "thumbing their noses" at everything we hold dear.

Herlock


Oh BS Herlock.

Many do respect this country, the problem is, America's laws regarding illegal immigration are outdated.

JMOO

[Carol25]

It is only right for them to return to their homeland. If they return without being deported, they start the process of coming over here legally. There's no work for them now, but perhaps by the time their number is up, we may have a decent economy again. Then if they are serious about being citizens here, we will welcome them.

They will have time to learn our language and be good neighbors as well! It will be very nice! By that time they can teach us some spanish as well. We'll be well rounded, now won't we? Perhaps some Europeans may come and we can talk about all of the things we really have in common.

[Details]

They can come, if they return home on their own. And they can apply to come here, and wait in line behind their law abiding neighbors who never came here illegally but instead asked for permission.

We take more legal immigrants than any other nation in the world, and balanced to give people in every country a fair chance, while trying to keep the numbers to a level that won't damage America. There's nothing wrong with our immigration policies.

[lita456]

It is only right for them to return to their homeland. If they return without being deported, they start the process of coming over here legally. There's no work for them now, but perhaps by the time their number is up, we may have a decent economy again. Then if they are serious about being citizens here, we will welcome them.

They will have time to learn our language and be good neighbors as well! It will be very nice! By that time they can teach us some spanish as well. We'll be well rounded, now won't we? Perhaps some Europeans may come and we can talk about all of the things we really have in common.


Many americans already know how to speak spanish, it's a requirement in the school system.

[Details]

Many americans already know how to speak spanish, it's a requirement in the school system.Not even in San Diego, minutes from the border, is it a requirement in the school systems.

And no, not that many Americans speak Spanish to any real degree - a word or so picked up - but not anything that allows communication - or even eavesdropping - a few years of Spanish in high school isn't even enough for that.

And that I know well - I grew up here, I did take Spanish - high school and college a few courses. And there is a foreign language requirement in the schools, to take a foreign language - my sister went with Russian. Today, my step-daughter is going with ASL. Spanish is not required.

Learning new languages is good - being forced to know them due to an illegal population of people who come here without permission then expect us to adjust is not. Americans should all speak one common language - and that language is English, as nearly all Americans today know it. The newcomers don't get to say we must learn their language, and change everything for them.

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Many americans already know how to speak spanish, it's a requirement in the school system.

Who told you this? Is it the same person who told you that illegal immigrants are only doing the jobs that Americans wont do for any amount of money?:rolleyes:

[canUCme?]

Many americans already know how to speak spanish, it's a requirement in the school system.
Not here it's not a requirement. No way.
"C"

[LisaM22]

It really is that simple - take the jobs away - whether by economy, or by law (and we can do that - Arizona did!) - and they go away - on their own.

I think we could lose a huge number of illegals with just a bit of law to require employers to validate citizenship in the database. An easy fix.

I agree with you - punishing the businesses hiring illegals would cause more to go the legal route to become a legal US citizen - it really is as simple as validating citizenship and punishing those that knowingly hire illegals

[LisaM22]

Many americans already know how to speak spanish, it's a requirement in the school system.

English is a requirement, Spanish is an elective

I do not know Spanish and unless I plan to move to Mexico someday I will never learn Spanish

my children learned sign language - not Spanish, it is not a requirement here

[StarShine]

English is a requirement, Spanish is an elective

I do not know Spanish and unless I plan to move to Mexico someday I will never learn Spanish

my children learned sign language - not Spanish, it is not a requirement here

Surprised you didn't know that Obama thinks our children should learn Spanish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZprtPat1Vk&eurl=http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/07/obama-your-chil.html

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Our children have so much to learn already in school and they should not be forced to learn to speak another language until they enter high school since in elem. and middle school they are still learning how to use and spell the English language. Any child who does not know how to speak English should not be put in the same class as the other children.

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

There is not one school in the USA that requires children to speak Spanish. Maybe lita forgot that we are in the USA and not Mexico:D

[LisaM22]

Surprised you didn't know that Obama thinks our children should learn Spanish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZprtPat1Vk&eurl=http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/07/obama-your-chil.html

our colleges only require one addl language, and I think that was what Obama was saying, we should learn more then one - if he tried to force it, I would definitely disagree loudly as I disagree - which is ok

[LisaM22]

Our children have so much to learn already in school and they should not be forced to learn to speak another language until they enter high school since in elem. and middle school they are still learning how to use and spell the English language. Any child who does not know how to speak English should not be put in the same class as the other children.

I agree with the above

[LisaM22]

English is the America language, if you plan to interact with people of another language then yes you should learn it, otherwise, it is not necessary imo and doesn't do anything but make college cost more then it already does for many

I am surprised the right did not push this more, this could of been big, though I am glad they did not

[LisaM22]

I am surprised the right did not push this more, this could of been big, though I am glad they did not as this is not a big deal as Obama will not force people to learn a different language

[Details]

There are many laws in place that deal with that very issue. They're not being enforced, however.Current laws are very lenient on the employer too. The penalties are far less than the profit they make from lower pay, insurance, and safety standards. And it's so easy for them to put on a dumb look and say, "Uh, duh, I thought he was a citizen!"

Penalties need to be heavy, businesses need to be required to check their employees against the gov't databases, and no more excuses.

Arizona did that - even before the law took effect businesses were suddenly dumping their illegal employees (that they'd have claimed before to know nothing about).

[LisaM22]

Current laws are very lenient on the employer too. The penalties are far less than the profit they make from lower pay, insurance, and safety standards. And it's so easy for them to put on a dumb look and say, "Uh, duh, I thought he was a citizen!"

Penalties need to be heavy, businesses need to be required to check their employees against the gov't databases, and no more excuses.

Arizona did that - even before the law took effect businesses were suddenly dumping their illegal employees (that they'd have claimed before to know nothing about).

I agree, the punishment has to cost more then the savings, maybe even jail time for the employer as well as a fine - jmho

[canUCme?]

In our town of nearly 100,000 it took us applying for 287G status two years ago this coming July before the illegals took us seriously.
What that's meant is school enrollment is down 10,000 students.
Yes they're leaving but what have left behind are trashed neighborhoods, abandonded, foreclosed properties, over-burdened school systems, over-burdened hospitals...and most of all, they ran the legal, tax paying citizens out of town.
Two entire main thoroughfares are now all Mexican stores--abandonded and trashed.
That's the problem...yes they're leaving but look at the horrible mess they leave behind.
I totally agree with those of you who say the laws need to be enforced.
It will be interesting to see if Obama will do so.
MOO.
"C"

[canUCme?]

I'm in agreement.

Herlock


I am so hopeful that our new president will make this happen.
"C"

[canUCme?]

Everyone here needs a common language and if there is only one language, it is English.

That's the way I feel about it too.
I find it insulting when the signs in our city (in certain parts of town) are only in Spanish. If we tried that with English all heck would break loose. In fact one of the large food chains was sued for several hundred thousands of dollars by a Spanish group out of Chicago and actually won. They said there were no Spanish signs in the grocery store which meant they were racially ignoring the Spanish shoppers.
"C"

[nexvsvi]

I have a question. Why would signs need to be in Spanish in the United States? If we're catering to those emigrating (legally) to this country, wouldn't it also be wise to put signs up in French, German, Italian, Russian, Arabic, Hindi, Mandarin Chinese, Japanese, and Korean as well ?

Also IIRC someone mentioned 'everyone should learn Spanish' somewhere in this thread...I'm assuming this means the proper Castillian Spanish spoken in Spain correct? Not the slang dialects spoken by most of the illegal immigrants. I'm assuming when someone learns English they learn the proper 'Queen's English' grammar, not the dialect Bubba uses after imbibing a 12 pack of beer at the trailer park.

[canUCme?]

I have a question. Why would signs need to be in Spanish in the United States? If we're catering to those emigrating (legally) to this country, wouldn't it also be wise to put signs up in French, German, Italian, Russian, Arabic, Hindi, Mandarin Chinese, Japanese, and Korean as well ?

Also IIRC someone mentioned 'everyone should learn Spanish' somewhere in this thread...I'm assuming this means the proper Castillian Spanish spoken in Spain correct? Not the slang dialects spoken by most of the illegal immigrants. I'm assuming when someone learns English they learn the proper 'Queen's English' grammar, not the dialect Bubba uses after imbibing a 12 pack of beer at the trailer park.
OMG nexvsvi;
This is perfect!
ROFLMAO!!!!!
"C"

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Migrants always go back down south after they work up north for harvest, they are cheap labor and do the jobs that no one else wants to do, hard labor for little pay.


When they are here illegally they get paid very little pay because of the employers who take advantage of their immigration status, but when they are here legally on work visas the employers have to pay them a fair wage. The illegal immigrants are taking jobs from the immigrants who are here legally to work. This is another reason our laws need to be enforced and our ports and borders secured, it protects everyone.

[AlohaRainbow]

Current laws are very lenient on the employer too. The penalties are far less than the profit they make from lower pay, insurance, and safety standards. And it's so easy for them to put on a dumb look and say, "Uh, duh, I thought he was a citizen!"

Penalties need to be heavy, businesses need to be required to check their employees against the gov't databases, and no more excuses.

Arizona did that - even before the law took effect businesses were suddenly dumping their illegal employees (that they'd have claimed before to know nothing about).
here's a start:


A top U.S. Customs and Border Protection employee was arrested Friday on suspicion of encouraging one of her cleaning ladies -- said to be an illegal immigrant -- to stay in the country.
...
Henderson was arrested Friday morning and was to make a court appearance in the afternoon. According to the U.S. attorney in Boston, Henderson could get 10 years in prison, three years of supervised release and a $250,000 fine if she is convicted.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/05/us.border.supervisor/index.html
:thumbup:

[AlohaRainbow]

I agree with you - punishing the businesses hiring illegals would cause more to go the legal route to become a legal US citizen - it really is as simple as validating citizenship and punishing those that knowingly hire illegals
hawaii has had a few raids by ICE in the past six months or so... the latest news from here (dec 4):
Two O'ahu farm officials were indicted by a federal grand jury today on charges of assisting illegal immigrants to land jobs as farm laborers.
...
Under the indictment, Kato is charged with six felony counts and McCaig with 16, according to a news release from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. If convicted of all the charges, Kato faces up to 45 years in prison and a $1.5 million fine, the release said. McCaig faces 100 years in prison and a $4 million fine.

The men are accused of assisting the illegal workers commit visa fraud, helping them misrepresent Social Security numbers and other violations.
...
The charges are part of an ongoing ICE investigation that has targeted not just illegal immigrants but also companies that hire them.

According to the indictment, illegal workers and the companies that want to hire them engage in a "documenting scheme" that is commonly used by employers to "knowingly recruit and employ aliens who have entered the United States without permission."

The illegal workers first purchase "packages" of false papers including counterfeit permanent resident cards and false social security cards.

Many of the cooperating defendants here said they bought their papers on the street in California after sneaking into the country.
[more at link http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081204/BREAKING01/81204072/-1/BACKISSUES]

[evalles]

I don't think there would be any problems with the immigrants being here if they did it legally. But all the illegals are making it hard for citizens to find jobs because the employers pay less in wages to illegals.
My grandfather was an immigrant when he came to the states from Greece. He became a citizen, worked hard, took care of his family and never asked for a hand out.
I know it is hard to live in foreign places but the answer is not to come here illegally.

jmoo


I agree, but I was wondering how many people know how hard (almost impossible) it is to migrate her legally from Mexico ?

I married a Mexican and even though he's been a permanent resident since we got married 11 years and 2 kids ago,they won't allow my children's Mexican grandma to come visit. We sent her a letter of invitation and she applied and paid the fee 3 times and they've never granted her a visitor's visa. She leaves crying every time and says the officials don't even look at her paperwork, the just tell her no.When the four of us go, it costs a fortune and with our work schedules we can't stay long.
We're talking to an attorney now, but I'd much rather spend the $1500 atty fee on my two little citizens.


I think Amnesty is deplorable and rewards illegal activity, so that's not a part of it.
The US has very few work visa's available for Hispanic workers, the company my husband works for has about 35 employees here on work visas. I know most of them and they're good guys. They work, send money home to their families, leave and come back when they're supposed to. In other words, they follow our laws. I think these workers should be rewarded with the opportunity for residency and then they could issue those visa's to new workers that want to work here. They can pay fees to bring their families over and should lose their legal status if they try to get welfare of any kind.

Something that really bothers me.
Did you know that illegals can get a tax id # to file taxes and receive the earned income credit for their children ?
A family member of my husband's(illegal) got over $5000 back last year while claiming 6 dependents on his W-2.
Another illegal that worked with my husband years ago bragged that he drove a company truck, they paid his gas, he owned 3 rental homes (not great but about $450 mo each) and he didn't have to pay for food or medical insurance for his 5 kids. His wife said he was in Mexico, the kids were citizens even though neither their mother or father were and she received food stamps and medicaid. He doesn't have a SS# so they can't go after him for the $$.
They also get free lunches at school.
This is what ticks me off and it's happening in huge numbers.
I think the kids should have at least one parent who is a citizen to be citizens.


The fact that so many are returning to the poverty in Mexico voluntarily makes me even more worried about our economy.

[evalles]

Migrants always go back down south after they work up north for harvest, they are cheap labor and do the jobs that no one else wants to do, hard labor for little pay.

That used to be true, but fewer are going back down south after the work ends. The borders have been tightened enough to cause the price of coming back illegaly to sky-rocket. The average cost of paying a 'coyote' to get them across the border is $3000 on average. Some charge even more.

[chrgrfan]

Many americans already know how to speak spanish, it's a requirement in the school system.


In what school system is Spanish a requirement? You are funny! To learn a foreign language is a requirement. Spanish is not the only foreign language!

[LisaM22]

Migrants always go back down south after they work up north for harvest, they are cheap labor and do the jobs that no one else wants to do, hard labor for little pay.

illegals take jobs from min wage employees, no one will work for the pay illegals get, but they will work for min wage

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Its a family committment to send the strongest and/or brightest to Ameica. These folk are so faithful to their families. Everytime I am in the grocery store, there is a long line of obvious immigrants waiting to get money orders to send to their families. I wish American kids were as faithful to their parents. My MBA's have always said that we should build a highway and not a fence from Mexico. That these folk are keeping the economy going. With all the delight that "they" are going home, anyone notice that the country is in recession?
I would like to see the illegals get green cards to allow them to work here. MOO

You got to be kidding!!! You think the Mexican kids care more for their parents than Americans kids? And you think this all because you see illegal immigrants standing in line to send money home? :thumbdown:
Also you seem to imply that the illegals going home is why we are now in a recession when it took us a long time to get to where we are now and it didnt happen over night. Illegal immigrants are a drain on our economy. That money they are sending home should be going to Uncle Sam and not home to their famlies.
Building a road and not a fence? Yeah lets make it easier for them to smuggle dope into our country.
It blows my mind how some people just dont care about the future of this great country of ours.

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Migrant workers illegal or not, do not take jobs away from anyone. No one local wants to work hard in the fields back breaking work sun up to sun down and beyond for little pay to help the farmers with their crops so we need Migrants, illegal or not they are cheap labor for the farmers. If not for these Migrants or illegals many vegetables would not get made into the foods you eat or buy in the store. IMO

Illegal immigrants working in the fields have taken those jobs from the immigrants who have taken the time to go through the process to come here to work legally. When they are here illegally the employers use their illegal status against them and pay them less the the law requires them to pay workers and they are made to work in less than humane conditions. When they come here illegally they do not go through the medical process that is used to make sure that they do not have any disease that they still have in third world countries that we do not have in our country. I myself would rather they come here legally so my children do not get sick from one of their children who may be sitting in the same class room as my child. But that is just me.

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

My understanding is that many go back to Texas and mind their own business until it's time to come back up north for harvest. IMO

While illegal aliens flee strict immigration enforcement policies in several states and settle in Texas, the state's budget is suffering and violent crime, soaring.
News reports indicate a flood of illegal aliens is coming from states such as Arizona and Oklahoma – where immigration crackdowns have made life more difficult for them. In the meantime, Texas' violent crime rates have taken a turn for the worse.
WND researched FBI crime statistics from years 2006 to 2007 for 29 of Texas' largest cities with populations of more than 100,000. The Preliminary Annual Uniform Crime Report reveals two of the state's well-known sanctuary cities with "don't-ask-don't-tell" policies, Houston and Austin, have surging violent crime rates. Houston experienced an additional 314 violent crimes in 2007 compared with 2006 figures. Austin had 213 more violent crimes reported to law enforcement than the previous year.
According to the stats, overall, the 29 most populous Texas cities had 1,083 more violent crimes committed in 2007 than in 2006. While arrest records usually do not indicate suspect citizenship status, the crime trend matches a migration wave of illegal aliens coming from locations such as Arizona and Oklahoma – states with strict immigration enforcement policies and declining violent crime rates.

http://www.cis.org/griffith/morningnews91808

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Actually, I do care about this country but disagree with your conclusions. I don't know any Americans sending money to their parents or to help the family except Latinos. Do you? I though I said it rather than imply that one of the reasons for the recession is cause illegals are not "consuming" as much and going home. The money is going to Uncle Sam in payroll taxes, Social Securtiy and Fica. Money, the illegals will never collect back. They can't even file taxes to get their money back or collect their Social Securtiy. BTW, in order to go to school, kids must all have the required Immunication shots, even the illegals.

Just because Americans are not standing in line at their local money gram office does not mean they do not help out their families.
How do they pay taxes if they do not have a SS# and/or are paid in cash? If they do have a SS# it is bought and paid for at the border.

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Did you happen to read this article in the New York Times today?:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/07/opinion/07kristof.html?th&emc=th

Very frightening information about the spread of incurable strains of TB. Strains that originate and thrive in third world countries. We most certainly need all aliens coming across our borders to provide proof of health or health insurance or, we have the right of first refusal! Yikes! There is so much to consider.

Herlock

Thank you Herlock. I had not seen that article and you are right it is very scary.

[chrgrfan]

Migrants always go back down south after they work up north for harvest, they are cheap labor and do the jobs that no one else wants to do, hard labor for little pay.


It makes me laugh people who are in support of illegal immigration have 2 sentences they are programmed to repeat over and over again. Don't both of these sentences contradict each other?

1. Illegal immigrants do work that Americans will not do.

2. Illegal immigrants live in the shadows.

I have a question how are they doing all this work in the shadows? How can they see to do all this work they are all doing?

I work in a welfare office they are not scared to apply for welfare and there are no shadows in the welfare office. Our caseloads are primarily undocumented immigrants with citizen born children, they report the father(s) are either not working or they are not in the home.

Where are these shadows?

[Details]

I love the bit about how MBA and businesspeople's opinions should be telling us what's right. Illegals are great for them - anytime they can have an employee they don't have to pay a fair wage to, who cannot complain if they cut corners on safety regulations or gear, where almost any abuse of the workers will go unreported - yeah, that's great for the business - and lousy for America. It puts our citizens on welfare, as their jobs are stolen, it costs us huge amounts of money on schools for illegals children, emergency room care, additional police.

The business's efforts to save money by breaking the law cost the American taxpayer huge amounts of money - but that's not a problem for a business. Slave labor was highly profitable too, and those businessowners sure thought it was a great thing - doesn't make it right, and their opinions only apply to what benefits themselves the most. Cheap labor benefits the businessman, at the cost of all of America.

[evalles]

I am very curious about the "coyote" thing. $3000 seems like so much money when many claim the reason they're coming here is for economic reasons. How the heck do these people get their hands on $3000 (and "some charge even more)?

Herlock


Family members already here pay it.
My sister-in-law came over with a coyote and then called all her family members here asking for $$. I was not happy. Once she was here, the coyote had to be paid or who knows what would happen. So her brothers came up with the $$. It was their turn to be po'd when they found out that she just came to be with her boyfriend and they paid for it. :D
Back then it was only about $1500 but it's gone way up over the last several years. The guys who used to go every year aren't going at all.
One thing I've seen is that Mexicans (the ones I know anyway) really come together in a crisis. I remember before I married my husband, one of his MANY roomates had to get home because his wife was really sick and they didn't think she was gonna make it. I saw all the guys there reach in their wallets and start handing him $$. Most of them gave him at least $100. When he was ready to come back they pooled their money again to pay the coyote.

The coyote's that charge the most actually provide fake documents so their 'clients' don't have to walk through the desert or try to outrun BP when crossing the border.

[chrgrfan]

Migrant workers illegal or not, do not take jobs away from anyone. No one local wants to work hard in the fields back breaking work sun up to sun down and beyond for little pay to help the farmers with their crops so we need Migrants, illegal or not they are cheap labor for the farmers. If not for these Migrants or illegals many vegetables would not get made into the foods you eat or buy in the store. IMO


Working the fields is difficult work but is not considered the most dangerous job. Logging, mining, deep sea fishing are a few that come to mind. Those are the most dangerous jobs in America. What is the immigration status of the people who work those jobs? U.S. CITIZENS, born and bred! So without those US CITIZENS risking their lives for you, you would not have lumber to build your home, fish to eat, or fuel to heat your home. I can pick my own veggies can you mine your own coal?

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

TB is very hard to catch and not a casual contact disease at all. The conditions of low immunization system, poor nutrition, crowded conditions, inclosed spaces need to be met for transfer of the disease. Even that guy flying around on the planes a few years ago with active TB did not infect anyone else cause it is not easly transmitted. AIDS on the other hand is a 100% fatal disease and is now pandemic and killing millions. Far more transfarable than TB. I don't want folks with communicable disease entering the country legally or illegally.

I would rather sit next to a person who has full blown AIDS than a person who has TB since TB is spread through the air unlike AIDS.
I can prevent myself from getting AIDS.
You say you dont want people with communicable diseases entering this country but yet you want to give green cards to all illegal immigrants when illegal immigrants have not gone through the medical check up before entering this country like legal immigrants have.

[incidentally]

I don't know Sherp if you read this article or not. The first sentence says it all:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/07/opinion/07kristof.html?_r=1&th&emc=th

If you want to continue to insist that TB is no big deal, go for it. I will continue to be educated by well written informative articles over somebody on a chat site.

It's obvious to me, Sherp is absolutely wrong on this count as well as stating aids is a 100% fatal disease. Both statements are wrong.

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Yeah, better hope the person with Aids does not get a spontanous nosebleed and your cut is in the line of fire or an open orifice. Or that they have a used needle in their pocket and its hits you or the other things which transmitt the disease. Do they still do checkups for immigration? If so, we will give all the folk getting green cards a physical. And the poor, the homeless, the Iv drug addicts, for starters.

Please tell me you are kidding with the AIDS theory because that is the most ridiculous post I have read on here in a long time.
Handing out green cards to the illegal aliens is a slap in the face to all the immigrants who respected our laws and went through the process to come here legally. It is also a slap in the face to every American citizen who is trying to find work.

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

Well, google Tuberculosis and you will see that it is difficult to contact, which is my point, not that it is no big deal as you wrote. It takes prolonged contact with a TB patient who is coughing and sneezing. The recipient needs to have a compromised immune sysyem, themselves. How come none of those Earps caught TB from Doc Holiday inspite of paling around with himr? Cause it is hard to catch.
Do tell how AIDS is not a 100% fatal disease. There is treatment but no cure. Its transmitted by blood and exchange of fluids, primarly sexual. Many countries have huge Aids populations and Africa is being decimated by this disease. Google Aids while you are at it.

If you keep your pants on and dont share needles it's pretty safe that you wont catch AIDS.

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

No so, bleeding from an Aids patient into an orifice or cut can transmitt the virus. And you don't have to share the needle, just get poked with it, should the needle contain blood from the Aids person.

I cant think of the last time another persons blood got into one of my cuts and I dont think I would allow someone to bleed in one of my orifices and I dont see the needle thing happening either.