Sat evening Oct 4, Day 110

[nc1948]

Come on over. Todays chat has been interesting and very informative, lets continue.

[martha]

I keep coming back and looking to see if we have any news on caylee but guess not. It looks like it will be a long time before we find out what really happened to caylee. I will be here every day until we have some news. jmho:rose:

[margaret kep]

Hi all - can someone put candle link on pretty please. I don't know how. Sorry:seeya:

[nc1948]

I keep coming back and looking to see if we have any news on caylee but guess not. It looks like it will be a long time before we find out what really happened to caylee. I will be here every day until we have some news. jmho:rose:

I think we are all the same. I hold my breath as I click on site and pray that she has been found. I have been disappointed so far, but I will keep praying.

[nc1948]

110 days and Caylee still hasn't been found. How could any mother lay there head down and sleep after doing this to there child? Just n case you or your family is lurkeing or posting was it worth it Casey? Do you call this free sitting in your parents home day in and day out with your ankle braclet on. Not only have you killed your daughter you have killed your family yet they keep right on protecting you. Imo your nothing but a selfish monster. You may think in that corupted mind of yours that you have pulled this off.. Wrong very wrong they will get you in the end. Where's all your so called friends? They all hate you now, they have found out the real Casey now havent they. You make me sick when you smile into the camera while your daughter is laying somewhere rotting. You was given the greastest gift that God could give you yet you destroyed it for your own selfidh pleasure. Come clean and tell them where you have put your child so at least she can rest in peace.........................God will deal with you later.
Caylee:rose:


Great post. I don't think she will ever accept any kind of plea as she believes she has gotten away with this. Even though she has lost the Mother of the Year award, she still considers she is smarter than everyone else including LE. I want her to keep thinking that because as long as she thinks she has gotten away with this she will be cocky and mess up. Remember murder has no statute of limitations.

[mosey2]

Hi:seeya:
Could someone please remind me who Cindy works for:shrug: I forgot. TIA

[nc1948]

Very true. I would much rather LE take there time and get it right and really put her away. Ya think she sleeps in that ankel braclet:D

I think she is SUPPOSED but with her I am not sure. It would not surprise me to find out that Cindy has found a way to remove it because her precious child is uncomfortable with it on.

[mosey2]

Casey:shrug:


Just kidding i forgot but doesnt it have something to do with teeth?LOL! Aint it the truth!:lol:

[nc1948]

Maybe we can pray everyday at the same time until she is found.

Sounds like a great idea.

[nc1948]

Hi:seeya:
Could someone please remind me who Cindy works for:shrug: I forgot. TIA

I think it is time I took a break. With all the C's, I misread this to ask where Casey worked. I spewed tea all over the board and son wanted to know what was so funny. Then when reading it to him I realized you were serious and asking about Cindy. Well I did get a good laugh and I don't remember where she worked. She is a nurse and I thought it was somekind of home health care. Do remember it was 8 to 5 usually and her company has given her almost unlimited leave. Strange.

[mosey2]

I think it is time I took a break. With all the C's, I misread this to ask where Casey worked. I spewed tea all over the board and son wanted to know what was so funny. Then when reading it to him I realized you were serious and asking about Cindy. Well I did get a good laugh and I don't remember where she worked. She is a nurse and I thought it was somekind of home health care. Do remember it was 8 to 5 usually and her company has given her almost unlimited leave. Strange.You are silly. Casey will soon be working for the County of Orange. First real honest job she will have held for YEARS. I wonder if they have dental? 401K?
:lol:

[aubrey04]

I keep coming back and looking to see if we have any news on caylee but guess not. It looks like it will be a long time before we find out what really happened to caylee. I will be here every day until we have some news. jmho:rose:

Thank you, Martha.. I will be here until we get some news too. I hope we find out something soon.

[margaret kep]

Thank you!



Hey Breeze -- CANDLE SITE DID NOT WORK. CAN SOMEONE PASTE CORRECT LINK PLEASE TIA

[aubrey04]

Hi:seeya:
Could someone please remind me who Cindy works for:shrug: I forgot. TIA

She worked for a doctors clinic of some sort. I read the doctors clinic treated the Orlando Magic players.. I don't know if it is true or not, it's just what I read somewhere and I can't recall where.

She is a RN though.. for sure.

[tiny paw-prints]

I just read a post somewhere that said Amy got in a wreck and totalled her car, took it to a mechanic on 7th, 8th, 14th and the mechanic (Joe T?) said Amy's car smelled like a dead body inside it. Anybody else hear/read anything about this?

[nc1948]

Let me see if i can find it it came up page not found on me also.

Did't work for me either. Hope you find the one that does work. It is such an insignificant thing, but I always feel better when I light a candle. It is a time to remember little Caylee, say a prayer for her, and also pray that justice will be service here on earth. We know justice will be service in the after life, but I want to see justice done here.

[aubrey04]

I found a new article where Sheriff Beary talks about the case.

ORLANDO -- A veteran investigator in the case of missing Caylee Anthony describes the child's mother as one of the toughest individuals he's ever run into, according to Orange County Sheriff Kevin Beary.

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081004/NEWS01/81004026

[nc1948]

I just read a post somewhere that said Amy got in a wreck and totalled her car, took it to a mechanic on 7th, 8th, 14th and the mechanic (Joe T?) said Amy's car smelled like a dead body inside it. Anybody else hear/read anything about this?


Have not heard this one. It is new to me

[curiousD]

I read somewhere that Cindy work at Gentiva Home Health Care. She is an RN as I understand but from what I read, I think she's in the office.doesnt do the home vists. Gentiva is a big company with branches all over.

[Rayosunshine]

Text to Amy from a landline asking, "Plan trip to univ/Disney ... if you and your girl want to go....

Who would Amy's girl be?

[kakax]

I just read a post somewhere that said Amy got in a wreck and totalled her car, took it to a mechanic on 7th, 8th, 14th and the mechanic (Joe T?) said Amy's car smelled like a dead body inside it. Anybody else hear/read anything about this?

Where did you read this?

[aubrey04]

I just read a post somewhere that said Amy got in a wreck and totalled her car, took it to a mechanic on 7th, 8th, 14th and the mechanic (Joe T?) said Amy's car smelled like a dead body inside it. Anybody else hear/read anything about this?

Where did you read that at? hmmmm

[need2no]

Cindy stated at the bond hearing that she's had her nursing license since 1979. She is employed at Gentiva Homecare as a Clinical Manager.
She works at the Winter Park location. The Anthony's moved to Fl in 1989, don't recall if she stated when she went to work for Gentiva.

Cindy stated she had 5 weeks of PTO, but was told by her employer she would be compensated as long as it takes to find Caylee. :eek:
Stated she worked for a big corporation who has hardship funds for things like this.

[martha]

I just read a post somewhere that said Amy got in a wreck and totalled her car, took it to a mechanic on 7th, 8th, 14th and the mechanic (Joe T?) said Amy's car smelled like a dead body inside it. Anybody else hear/read anything about this? Did it say it happened this month? I have not heard this yet. Do you think amy could have been driving it around and it smelling like that? jmho:rose:

[Rayosunshine]

Anyone know who Kali is? Land line in Tampa - Birdsong Blvd near a park.

[summer4meplz]

Thank you, Martha.. I will be here until we get some news too. I hope we find out something soon.

hi aubrey ...I would add drew to that list...of 1 down...2 to go....:)

[dixie77]

I just read a post somewhere that said Amy got in a wreck and totalled her car, took it to a mechanic on 7th, 8th, 14th and the mechanic (Joe T?) said Amy's car smelled like a dead body inside it. Anybody else hear/read anything about this?

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I didnt hear that and i hope its not true. We have enough twists and turns in this case as it is. Can u just imagine if this is true.

[margaret kep]

This should work

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle




Thanks Breeze. Didn't want to go to bed until Lil Angel's:rose: candles were there. Nite all

[summer4meplz]

I just read a post somewhere that said Amy got in a wreck and totalled her car, took it to a mechanic on 7th, 8th, 14th and the mechanic (Joe T?) said Amy's car smelled like a dead body inside it. Anybody else hear/read anything about this?


I haven't heard that...do you remember where you read it? tia

[desmom]

I just read a post somewhere that said Amy got in a wreck and totalled her car, took it to a mechanic on 7th, 8th, 14th and the mechanic (Joe T?) said Amy's car smelled like a dead body inside it. Anybody else hear/read anything about this?


Sounds like someone is confused by the text messages Casey sent to Amy. jmo

[need2no]

Did it say it happened this month? I have not heard this yet. Do you think amy could have been driving it around and it smelling like that? jmho:rose:



Today is only the 4th of the month, could not have happened in October.

[martha]

Where did you read about amy;s car. or when was the wreck? I hope this is not true I don;t think we can take many more turns in this case. jmho:rose:

[need2no]

Sounds like someone is confused by the text messages Casey sent to Amy. jmo


Yep, it has to be....

[Rayosunshine]

I read somewhere that Cindy work at Gentiva Home Health Care. She is an RN as I understand but from what I read, I think she's in the office.doesnt do the home vists. Gentiva is a big company with branches all over.

She has the perfect personality for an Home Health office nurse. I've been a home health field nurse for 6+ years.

[jerzeegirl]

Very true. I would much rather LE take there time and get it right and really put her away. Ya think she sleeps in that ankel braclet:D


im surprised the anthony's didnt try to pawn it!

[nc1948]

I haven't heard that...do you remember where you read it? tia


I just checked the HFTM board and they are discussing it there, but I have not seen any links. Just saying same things as we are here(that they have heard it too, but no one knows from where)

[playnice]

I would think LE checked everyone car when they investigated them. Amy took a LD test and passed.
I hope for all their sakes LE did check their car because it wouldnt surprise me if someone would dig Caylee up and try to plant the body on any of Caseys ex friends . He ex friends should be very careful.

[bchand]

I just read a post somewhere that said Amy got in a wreck and totalled her car, took it to a mechanic on 7th, 8th, 14th and the mechanic (Joe T?) said Amy's car smelled like a dead body inside it. Anybody else hear/read anything about this?

In the transcript of William Waters, LE asks him if he heard of an incident where CASEY took her car in and the mechanic said it smelled like a dead body. Waters said he did not know of any such incident.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/14%20William%20Waters%20July%2030,%202008(1).pdf

Page 16

[aubrey04]

hi aubrey ...I would add drew to that list...of 1 down...2 to go....:)

;) yeah true.. I bet Casey is thinking she might get away with it, like Drew has so far.. All in due time though - things have a way of working themselves out.. IE, oj simpson.

jmo

[Rayosunshine]

I woulde think Le checked everyone car when the investigated them. Amy took a LD test and passed.
I hope for all their sakes LE did check their car because it wouldnt surprise me if someone would dig Caylee up and try to plant the body on any of Caseys ex friends . He ex friends should be very careful.

Xanax could help with a LD test. So would any type of beta-blocker.

[dixie77]

;) yeah true.. I bet Casey is thinking she might get away with it, like Drew has so far.. All in due time though - things have a way of working themselves out.. IE, oj simpson.

jmo

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Yeah......looks like those cops know where to dispose of a body. (George and Drew......birds of a feather?) JMO

[summer4meplz]

I just checked the HFTM board and they are discussing it there, but I have not seen any links. Just saying same things as we are here(that they have heard it too, but no one knows from where)

thanks...i'll look around too...that would be a weird little twist....dang...where's Caylee????

[Rayosunshine]

Coming soon on ebay:D
One barley used ankel braclet.


I'll bid 23 cents.

[dixie77]

Coming soon on ebay:D
One barley used ankel braclet.

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rofl

[dixie77]

i'll bid 23 cents.

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rotfl

[Oregongal]

Maybe we can pray everyday at the same time until she is found.

I'm there Diane. Just tell me when.
I pray everyday anyway, but I think it's a wonderful idea for a specific time to be set for those of us who would gladly stand in agreement with each other.
Amazing things happen when two or more gather.
:rose:

[dixie77]

I'm there Diane. Just tell me when.
I pray everyday anyway, but I think it's a wonderful idea for a specific time to be set for those of us who would gladly stand in agreement with each other.
Amazing things happen when two or more gather.
:rose:

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Count me in, too.

[summer4meplz]

I'm there Diane. Just tell me when.
I pray everyday anyway, but I think it's a wonderful idea for a specific time to be set for those of us who would gladly stand in agreement with each other.
Amazing things happen when two or more gather.
:rose:


I like that idea too....maybe at the top of each hour...just a quick little prayer....I always pray to St. Anthony when I lose things, and I'm not even Catholic..and I pray to St. Frances when my animals are sick...I don't know how prayer works, but I truly believe it does...:rose:Caylee

[Velouria]

She has the perfect personality for an Home Health office nurse. I've been a home health field nurse for 6+ years.

I must agree with you there, Rayosunshine. Given her personality it's better that Cindy works in the office, and is not making visits to patients.

[dixie77]

I like that idea too....maybe at the top of each hour...just a quick little prayer....I always pray to St. Anthony when I lose things, and I'm not even Catholic..and I pray to St. Frances when my animals are sick...I don't know how prayer works, but I truly believe it does...:rose:Caylee

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My Patron Saint is St. Jude.......Saint of the impossible. Fitting....isnt it?

[dixie77]

If you all decide pm me the time i am all for it.
Caylee we love you:rose:
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Will do, Breeze.

[Oregongal]

Cindy stated at the bond hearing that she's had her nursing license since 1979. She is employed at Gentiva Homecare as a Clinical Manager.
She works at the Winter Park location. The Anthony's moved to Fl in 1989, don't recall if she stated when she went to work for Gentiva.

Cindy stated she had 5 weeks of PTO, but was told by her employer she would be compensated as long as it takes to find Caylee. :eek:
Stated she worked for a big corporation who has hardship funds for things like this.

I find it just amazing that Cindy would be compensated 'for as long as it takes'.
Is there no suffering for this family? No consequences, financially or in any other way?
They just seem to go on la-de-da as if there wasn't a lil baby involved at all. As if it's all just a bump in the road for them. Makes me sick. And very, very angry. :flamemad:

[FoxySly]

Hi all - can someone put candle link on pretty please. I don't know how. Sorry:seeya:

During the Trenton case (& others) there has been a Candle Thread with the link and it would get bumped up with info on how many candles were lite, from how many countries & such.

Maybe someone here will start one so it is always handy.

Sly

[mosey2]

I just read a post somewhere that said Amy got in a wreck and totalled her car, took it to a mechanic on 7th, 8th, 14th and the mechanic (Joe T?) said Amy's car smelled like a dead body inside it. Anybody else hear/read anything about this?
Your kidding!
7,8,and 14 of June? She was in PR those dates in July. Amy got in the wreck before she got the new car on June 13th. Casey borrowed it July 8-15.
It doesnt make sense, unless Amy wrecked the new car since Casey got arrested:shrug:

[aubrey04]

I don't think Casey had any help disposing of Caylee. There has been no evidence to suggest someone else was involved in this. Casey is a pathological person - she was able to hide her pregnancy for 7 months.. she was able to keep her lies straight between her group of friends. IIRC, it was Amy who talked about how Casey was very good at keeping her lies separate and keep people from knowing what she didn't want them to know.

In the beginning, I thought there was probably another person involved but now I truly don't think that is the case.. Although if evidence arises that someone else was involved - I can easily changed my mind.

I think Casey lived in her own little world.. And while she seemed to have a lot of close friends and lovers.. nobody really KNEW her at all.. at least the real Casey.

jmo

[mosey2]

I read somewhere that Cindy work at Gentiva Home Health Care. She is an RN as I understand but from what I read, I think she's in the office.doesnt do the home vists. Gentiva is a big company with branches all over.Thanks curious!!
:seeya:

[tiny paw-prints]

I haven't heard that...do you remember where you read it? tia

The mechanic was Thomas G. from Tom's Auto Repair.

It's being discussed at the HFTM daily thread,
as well as WS on the crime tip thread.

[bchand]

In the transcript of William Waters, LE asks him if he heard of an incident where CASEY took her car in and the mechanic said it smelled like a dead body. Waters said he did not know of any such incident.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/14%20William%20Waters%20July%2030,%202008(1).pdf

Page 16

Bumping my reply from the first page. The car was CASEYs not Amy's that is being discussed. (Amy did total her car but Waters was asked about a mechanic smelling something in CASEY's car.)

[nc1948]

I find it just amazing that Cindy would be compensated 'for as long as it takes'.
Is there no suffering for this family? No consequences, financially or in any other way?
They just seem to go on la-de-da as if there wasn't a lil baby involved at all. As if it's all just a bump in the road for them. Makes me sick. And very, very angry. :flamemad:

Oh- I do so agree. I thought I had misunderstood when I first read this. But this was discussed a while back when we were talking about paying bills such as lights/mortgage/water/food/gas and where were they getting money. No one could imagine enough donations at this stage to support them. I could understand leave without pay, or even pay for maybe 4 weeks, but cannot understand indefinite paid leave. Maybe this is another reason Cindy will not admit Caylee is dead. She can continue to draw a pay check and not go back to work. Seems as tho It has become all about the money for Cindy. And yes it makes me sick too.

[bchand]

I am jobless and therefore bored. Made a decision to move from Houston to Corpus today. Not an easy decision.

So I wonder what this new evidence is that is about to be released by LE as per Beary?


Hey LB - I saw you posting about your job the other day but didn't get a chance to tell you how sorry I am to hear it.

How far is Houston from Corpus? Better chances for work there?

[tiny paw-prints]

Sounds like someone is confused by the text messages Casey sent to Amy. jmo


I think so too! But, the text messages are confusing; imagine throwing Cindy's text messages into that pot? Yikes!

[nc1948]

I don't think Casey had any help disposing of Caylee. There has been no evidence to suggest someone else was involved in this. Casey is a pathological person - she was able to hide her pregnancy for 7 months.. she was able to keep her lies straight between her group of friends. IIRC, it was Amy who talked about how Casey was very good at keeping her lies separate and keep people from knowing what she didn't want them to know.

In the beginning, I thought there was probably another person involved but now I truly don't think that is the case.. Although if evidence arises that someone else was involved - I can easily changed my mind.

I think Casey lived in her own little world.. And while she seemed to have a lot of close friends and lovers.. nobody really KNEW her at all.. at least the real Casey.

jmo

I agree, a child that age is small and I don't think would be to difficult to handle. Especially if place in a tote bag. I don't think she had help. But I am like you and consider all new info and have changed my mind about several things as we go along.

[nc1948]

Bumping my reply from the first page. The car was CASEYs not Amy's that is being discussed. (Amy did total her car but Waters was asked about a mechanic smelling something in CASEY's car.)

Thank you, thank you. I don'tthink I can handle any more WIERD in this case. We have enough already. So looks now as though someone just misread which car.

[Oregongal]

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I didnt hear that and i hope its not true. We have enough twists and turns in this case as it is. Can u just imagine if this is true.

Your siggy dixie bout OJ....13 is an unlucky # for him....maybe 15 will be Casey's unlucky #. The only day that can truly be accounted for as the last day Caylee was seen alive. I'm still wondering if George's testimony of seeing Caylee the 16th is really the truth.
The 15th is the last absolutely provable day that Caylee was alive.

[Mamie]

I find it just amazing that Cindy would be compensated 'for as long as it takes'.
Is there no suffering for this family? No consequences, financially or in any other way?
They just seem to go on la-de-da as if there wasn't a lil baby involved at all. As if it's all just a bump in the road for them. Makes me sick. And very, very angry. :flamemad:


Well, I have issues with the whole family myself, but I do know from experience in working for huge companies, they have a volunteer PTO fund where they ask employees who are not going to use all of their paid time (whether vacation or sick) to donate some of their time to this "fund" and of course the company does kick in besides that, but atleast it doesn't look like it is all 100% coming from the company. I hope I was clear enough for you to understand me-----I seem to stumble at times. LOL

[lonetraveler]

Very true. I would much rather LE take there time and get it right and really put her away. Ya think she sleeps in that ankel braclet:D

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Yes, she sleeps in it. It is a 24 hr anklet. She can't take it off.

[bchand]

Corpus is obviously smaller and three and a half hours south down the coast (driving normal speeds) from Houston. But I have family there and am feeling like I am adrift here. I have two cousins here...one that recently had an apendectomy but we are not that close that I have a lot of social opportunities. TY by the way.

What do you think the new evidence that Beary referred to that will be released? I know new stuff is coming big stuff just curious. I am guessing it is the stuff in the trunk...

Well good luck with whatever you decide. I wish we could just hire you as our official transcriber !!

Actually sounded like he wants to understand it correctly. Sounds like science to me. lol

[Oregongal]

Xanax could help with a LD test. So would any type of beta-blocker.

Oh, my, are you saying that Amy may have had something to do with Caylee's disappearance and she may have passed a polygraph because she was on Xanex or a beta-blocker?
Help me here, I really want to understand your post.
:confused:

[Mamie]

Well good luck with whatever you decide. I wish we could just hire you as our official transcriber !!

Actually sounded like he wants to understand it correctly. Sounds like science to me. lol

Who's Beary?:shrug: TIA

[bchand]

Who's Beary?:shrug: TIA

Sheriff of Orange County

http://www.ocso.com/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx

[Mamie]

Sheriff of Orange County

http://www.ocso.com/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx


Ahhh, thank you! I was thinking a local newsman for some reason. I just never connected the name before when I heard him speak.

[aubrey04]

Who's Beary?:shrug: TIA

The sheriff of Orange County.... the district in which Casey murdered her daughter Caylee in. Sheriff Kevin Beary. This guy-->

http://www.ocso.com/Agency/SheriffKevinBeary/tabid/53/Default.aspx



moo

[Oregongal]

Well, I have issues with the whole family myself, but I do know from experience in working for huge companies, they have a volunteer PTO fund where they ask employees who are not going to use all of their paid time (whether vacation or sick) to donate some of their time to this "fund" and of course the company does kick in besides that, but atleast it doesn't look like it is all 100% coming from the company. I hope I was clear enough for you to understand me-----I seem to stumble at times. LOL

TY Mamie, I do understand that, but it makes me sick to think that Cindy would take advantage of this sort of thing considering everything.
It also shows how selfish she is to use other employees paid time they have donated for her to be able to lie, protect her 'odious', possibly murderess daughter, when there surely is another (or several) employee who could really, really use that fund for something that is more deserving and needed than Cindy's. An employee that may find themselves in a place of a sick child, a dying parent or any number of those heartbreaking things that come up in life.
Selfish, arrogent (sp? that doesn't look right) and sick is what I see Cindy as.

[bchand]

Ahhh, thank you! I was thinking a local newsman for some reason. I just never connected the name before when I heard him speak.


YW Mamie - There was a quote from him today. That's what we were talking about.

Beary said that additional evidence is coming but he has asked investigators not to brief him until they are ready to release it.

The sheriff also said that he is hopeful that the case will come to a close before he leaves office in less than three months.

http://www.local6.com/news/17624281/detail.html

[aubrey04]

I agree, a child that age is small and I don't think would be to difficult to handle. Especially if place in a tote bag. I don't think she had help. But I am like you and consider all new info and have changed my mind about several things as we go along.

It's just weird how she can seemingly just kill off her child.. and cut her out of her life-- emotionally and physically-- immediately. She never missed a beat - she was out partying soon after Caylee's death.

She seemed to be able to compartmentalize her life so well.

[aubrey04]

TY Mamie, I do understand that, but it makes me sick to think that Cindy would take advantage of this sort of thing considering everything.
It also shows how selfish she is to use other employees paid time they have donated for her to be able to lie, protect her 'odious', possibly murderess daughter, when there surely is another (or several) employee who could really, really use that fund for something that is more deserving and needed than Cindy's. An employee that may find themselves in a place of a sick child, a dying parent or any number of those heartbreaking things that come up in life.
Selfish, arrogent (sp? that doesn't look right) and sick is what I see Cindy as.

I bet they would rather her take all the time she needs, as long as she is nowhere around them. I bet most people are grateful she hasn't come back to work. I wouldn't want to work beside her.. would you?

[bluwaters]

Please light a Candle for Caylee

click any unlit candle to begin

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:

[playnice]

YW Mamie - There was a quote from him today. That's what we were talking about.

Beary said that additional evidence is coming but he has asked investigators not to brief him until they are ready to release it.

The sheriff also said that he is hopeful that the case will come to a close before he leaves office in less than three months.

http://www.local6.com/news/17624281/detail.html

Wonder what the evidence is and if it has anything to do with Tim going back this week?

[Rayosunshine]

Oh, my, are you saying that Amy may have had something to do with Caylee's disappearance and she may have passed a polygraph because she was on Xanex or a beta-blocker?
Help me here, I really want to understand your post.
:confused:


I didn't mean to imply that Amy had anything to do with Caylee's disappearance. What I wanted to say was that many medications will affect a polygraph, particularly those that inhibit the sympathetic nervous system. Xanax, per se, would not have this effect, but may result in enough control of the sympathetic system that errors/untruths might not be evident. Drugs that inhibit the sympathetic nervous system work by blocking the release of hormones commonly associated with the "fight or flight" syndrome - adrenalin surge is inhibited, so this affects heart rate, breathing, sweating, nervousness - these symptoms are held in check. Drugs that inhibit this system are classified as antiadrenergic drugs, comes from the word, adrenal, thus, against the adrenal gland.

Anti-depressants, heart medication, some bp meds can also inhibit the fight or flight reflex. There is a cardiac medication that is commonly used by many performers for the simple reason that they can maintain control while performing - some classical pianists have been know to use a beta-blocker because they cannot tolerate the slightest change in control while performing - there's not much room for error on a keyboard, lol.

Sorry, it's the nurse in me.

[Mamie]

YW Mamie - There was a quote from him today. That's what we were talking about.

Beary said that additional evidence is coming but he has asked investigators not to brief him until they are ready to release it.

The sheriff also said that he is hopeful that the case will come to a close before he leaves office in less than three months.

http://www.local6.com/news/17624281/detail.html

Oh wow!!! Geez, was that on CNN or something? I watched Nancy Grace tonight but it was just a repeat like they usually are on the weekend, I only watched in case there was something I missed last night and had already erased it. Wow-----3 months huh? I hope it's good and I hope it sticks. All for Caylee.

[Mamie]

TY Mamie, I do understand that, but it makes me sick to think that Cindy would take advantage of this sort of thing considering everything.
It also shows how selfish she is to use other employees paid time they have donated for her to be able to lie, protect her 'odious', possibly murderess daughter, when there surely is another (or several) employee who could really, really use that fund for something that is more deserving and needed than Cindy's. An employee that may find themselves in a place of a sick child, a dying parent or any number of those heartbreaking things that come up in life.
Selfish, arrogent (sp? that doesn't look right) and sick is what I see Cindy as.


The only thing I can say, dear, is that they might be dancing now, but sooner or later, they'll have to pay the fiddler. And Cindy will live with this the rest of her life. It will bother her more than it will Casey. JMO

[Oregongal]

I bet they would rather her take all the time she needs, as long as she is nowhere around them. I bet most people are grateful she hasn't come back to work. I wouldn't want to work beside her.. would you?

You have a point there aubrey. No, I would not want to work beside her.

[Oregongal]

I didn't mean to imply that Amy had anything to do with Caylee's disappearance. What I wanted to say was that many medications will affect a polygraph, particularly those that inhibit the sympathetic nervous system. Xanax, per se, would not have this effect, but may result in enough control of the sympathetic system that errors/untruths might not be evident. Drugs that inhibit the sympathetic nervous system work by blocking the release of hormones commonly associated with the "fight or flight" syndrome - adrenalin surge is inhibited, so this affects heart rate, breathing, sweating, nervousness - these symptoms are held in check. Drugs that inhibit this system are classified as antiadrenergic drugs, comes from the word, adrenal, thus, against the adrenal gland.

Anti-depressants, heart medication, some bp meds can also inhibit the fight or flight reflex. There is a cardiac medication that is commonly used by many performers for the simple reason that they can maintain control while performing - some classical pianists have been know to use a beta-blocker because they cannot tolerate the slightest change in control while performing - there's not much room for error on a keyboard, lol.



Sorry, it's the nurse in me.

Gotcha Isabelle, thank you for explaining further.
:)

[Oregongal]

That's the way I read it too ..

Me too!
OMG, got a 'your message' is too short. Imagine that, me...a too short message! LOL!!!

[mosey2]

Has anyone else been studying the phone records? It looks like the day casey borrowed the shovel is the 17th. Brian Burner said it was either the 17th or 18th.
On the 17th Casey came home for 2 hours. On the 18th she was only there for a couple of minutes at 10:52am and again for only 13 minutes at 3:16. Not enough time according to Burners statement.

Right after she left the Anthonys on the 17th she went to the area of University of Central Florida, and was there for almost 5 hours. 5HOURS! In all her pings from June 15-27th, this is the only one to that particular tower, exept for one other time when she was texting and was just passing through on the way to Fusian on the 27th.

LE really needs to get the dogs around the College Campus area, IMO

[Oregongal]

Has anyone else been studying the phone records? It looks like the day casey borrowed the shovel is the 17th. Brian Burner said it was either the 17th or 18th.
On the 17th Casey came home for 2 hours. On the 18th she was only there for a couple of minutes at 10:52am and again for only 13 minutes at 3:16. Not enough time according to Burners statement.

Right after she left the Anthonys on the 17th she went to the area of University of Central Florida, and was there for almost 5 hours. 5HOURS! In all her pings from June 15-27th, this is the only one to that particular tower, exept for one other time when she was texting and was just passing through on the way to Fusian on the 27th.

LE really needs to get the dogs around the College Campus area, IMO

Hmmm, interesting mosey. 5 hours!?! Very long time and enough time for her to be up to no good.
I have not been studying the phone records, I leave that all up to wonderful posters like you to do that and keep me informed.
;)

[Pruddennce]

Your kidding!
7,8,and 14 of June? She was in PR those dates in July. Amy got in the wreck before she got the new car on June 13th. Casey borrowed it July 8-15.
It doesnt make sense, unless Amy wrecked the new car since Casey got arrested:shrug:

LE states to Amy in her interview: so you totalled your car on the 6th (of June).....yes she answered.

same interview: On the 13th of June, Casey AND Caylee were supposed to take Amy to Jacksonville...Amy was going there to buy a car.

Casey made an excuse about her dad having a mini-stroke and didnt go with Amy.

Casey was supposed to take her there. *Amy says: dont worry, Ill get myself up there*

she rented a car, returned it to the rental place, met her uncle who was helping her out.

Amy stated after the 10th of June she didnt see Caylee again, (Caylee and Casey spent the nite at Ricardo's/Amy)....and didnt see Casey, just text/phone. Casey showed up on the 30th, with Tony's jeep. She had asked Amy previously via text if she had a gas can.

when she got to Amy's place, Amy suggested they go buy one. and they did.....at Target.

(wonder what she did with it, where is it).

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/08%20Amy%20Huizenga%20July%2023,%202008.pdf

LE certainly investigated Amy's trip to go buy the car.

Casey A has now been named the primary suspect. :cool:

best regards,
Pru

[aubrey04]

Has anyone else been studying the phone records? It looks like the day casey borrowed the shovel is the 17th. Brian Burner said it was either the 17th or 18th.
On the 17th Casey came home for 2 hours. On the 18th she was only there for a couple of minutes at 10:52am and again for only 13 minutes at 3:16. Not enough time according to Burners statement.

Right after she left the Anthonys on the 17th she went to the area of University of Central Florida, and was there for almost 5 hours. 5HOURS! In all her pings from June 15-27th, this is the only one to that particular tower, exept for one other time when she was texting and was just passing through on the way to Fusian on the 27th.

LE really needs to get the dogs around the College Campus area, IMO

I need to go back and look at the phone records. Was she constantly calling people during that time period though? Because I doubt she'd be disposing of her daughter while yakking on the phone or text messaging.. but who knows, when it comes to Casey..

:shrug:

I am not familiar with the area.. Is there any heavily wooded areas or other places that one might dispose of a body? (what a weird Q to ask..)

[Oregongal]

LE states to Amy in her interview: so you totalled your car on the 6th (of June).....yes she answered.

same interview: On the 13th of June, Casey AND Caylee were supposed to take Amy to Jacksonville...Amy was going there to buy a car.

Casey made an excuse about her dad having a mini-stroke and didnt go with Amy.

Casey was supposed to take her there. *Amy says: dont worry, Ill get myself up there*

she rented a car, returned it to the rental place, met her uncle who was helping her out.

Amy stated after the 10th of June she didnt see Caylee again, (Caylee and Casey spent the nite at Ricardo's/Amy)....and didnt see Casey, just text/phone. Casey showed up on the 30th, with Tony's jeep. She had asked Amy previously via text if she had a gas can.

when she got to Amy's place, Amy suggested they go buy one. and they did.....at Target.

(wonder what she did with it, where is it).

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/08%20Amy%20Huizenga%20July%2023,%202008.pdf

LE certainly investigated Amy's trip to go buy the car.

Casey A has now been named the primary suspect. :cool:

best regards,
Pru

You are right Pru!
And I am so glad Casey has been named the primary suspect....HUGE difference...HUGE.
:cool:

[Oregongal]

I need to go back and look at the phone records. Was she constantly calling people during that time period though? Because I doubt she'd be disposing of her daughter while yakking on the phone or text messaging.. but who knows, when it comes to Casey..

:shrug:

I am not familiar with the area.. Is there any heavily wooded areas or other places that one might dispose of a body? (what a weird Q to ask..)

Ya know, when it comes to Casey I can almost picture her yakking on the phone while disposing of Caylee's body. Eeeuuu! I know, but, nothing would surprise me at this point. Sicken me yes, surprise me, no.
Poor lil angel Caylee who had the misfortune of being born of a mother like this. But, I'm sure she is in a far better place and God had a plan for her.
:rose:

[OneUp]

I think several things are coming into play with Cindy's leave from her employer. First, she did mention in one interview that they had some very generous leave options in place for PTO. I have no problem with that being used by a Grandmother grieving and searching for her missing grandchild....whether or not I feel Cindy fits that bill is another thing. ONly her employer need think it necessary though, public opinion doesn't ( and IMO, Shouldn't ) mean diddley. I do think she has surpassed what would normally be given though, even in such an extreme situation they can't pay for years, etc.
Second, I strongly suspect her license is up for review based upon her failure to report the financial exploitation of her own parents and her own public behavior ( this relates to the third factor at work )....possibly also failure to act on suspicion of neglect of her grandchild ( that is only if there are past issues/concerns Social services may know of which we do not...).
Thrid, I imagine that Cindy is under medical care for her mental health by now, and may be medicated heavily to aid her in coping...most likely strongly advised by her employer. Her public actions have created not just public relation issues for any business, but some serious concerns about her ability to do her job, IMO. Would you want a nurse who couldn't be truthful to save her life or who waved a hammer at people she was in conflict with? I really don't think she is mentally fit to work in a medical practice at this time...between the privacy and nurturing aspects of the job, and the actual safety of the patients ( which relies on her abilty to do things correctly, etc.) she isn't in the best condition to be administering care to others right now. Understandable, but again...nursing requires a much better emotional state then say cooking pizza or working a grocery store cash register.
Anyway, thats MO...I think her employer has advised her to remain on leave until her mental health is improved and concerns about her own behavior/actions in direct relationship to her nursing license are resolved....this may be a situation that ends in termination if she loses her license. If she has had a long term employment w/ this doctor, I would think they would try to show her extra consideration and allow as long as possible in hopes she could resolve these things positively.
JMO.

[Lostgirl]

I need to go back and look at the phone records. Was she constantly calling people during that time period though? Because I doubt she'd be disposing of her daughter while yakking on the phone or text messaging.. but who knows, when it comes to Casey..

:shrug:

I am not familiar with the area.. Is there any heavily wooded areas or other places that one might dispose of a body? (what a weird Q to ask..)

I'm gett'n skeeered of aubrey :D

that's a good point about the calls and text msg'g because as you said that's hardly something she'd be doing while in the midst of disposing of the body even if she is the TEXT MSG QUEEN of Florida.

I wonder if LE has spotted any particular time where she took an unusually long break from her cell which from the sounds of things would be anything longer than 5 minutes. :rolleyes:

and where the last ping came from... i suppose they probably have and i imagine it's been discussed here as well but I hadn't really thought about that aspect of it until your post.

[nc1948]

I think several things are coming into play with Cindy's leave from her employer. First, she did mention in one interview that they had some very generous leave options in place for PTO. I have no problem with that being used by a Grandmother grieving and searching for her missing grandchild....whether or not I feel Cindy fits that bill is another thing. ONly her employer need think it necessary though, public opinion doesn't ( and IMO, Shouldn't ) mean diddley. I do think she has surpassed what would normally be given though, even in such an extreme situation they can't pay for years, etc.
Second, I strongly suspect her license is up for review based upon her failure to report the financial exploitation of her own parents and her own public behavior ( this relates to the third factor at work )....possibly also failure to act on suspicion of neglect of her grandchild ( that is only if there are past issues/concerns Social services may know of which we do not...).
Thrid, I imagine that Cindy is under medical care for her mental health by now, and may be medicated heavily to aid her in coping...most likely strongly advised by her employer. Her public actions have created not just public relation issues for any business, but some serious concerns about her ability to do her job, IMO. Would you want a nurse who couldn't be truthful to save her life or who waved a hammer at people she was in conflict with? I really don't think she is mentally fit to work in a medical practice at this time...between the privacy and nurturing aspects of the job, and the actual safety of the patients ( which relies on her abilty to do things correctly, etc.) she isn't in the best condition to be administering care to others right now. Understandable, but again...nursing requires a much better emotional state then say cooking pizza or working a grocery store cash register.
Anyway, thats MO...I think her employer has advised her to remain on leave until her mental health is improved and concerns about her own behavior/actions in direct relationship to her nursing license are resolved....this may be a situation that ends in termination if she loses her license. If she has had a long term employment w/ this doctor, I would think they would try to show her extra consideration and allow as long as possible in hopes she could resolve these things positively.
JMO.

Oneup very well stated. I agree that mentally she probably is not capable of doing her job as she should. I also believe that if she is a long term employer she will get extra compensation. (I got an extra week pay when my husband died because I had worked at company for over 24 years) but Iam concerned if this is a balanced fund where employees put in vacation/sick time and company matches then fund would only have a certain amount. Seems if it is unending she could use all the account and none left for any other employees. Of course, that is up to the company to decide how long and how much. Just doesn't seem fair to other employees that may need some time.

[nc1948]

Sorry I should have said "long term employee" not employer. Gremblins at work. Or maybe past my bedtime.

[VII]

TY Mamie, I do understand that, but it makes me sick to think that Cindy would take advantage of this sort of thing considering everything.
It also shows how selfish she is to use other employees paid time they have donated for her to be able to lie, protect her 'odious', possibly murderess daughter, when there surely is another (or several) employee who could really, really use that fund for something that is more deserving and needed than Cindy's. An employee that may find themselves in a place of a sick child, a dying parent or any number of those heartbreaking things that come up in life.
Selfish, arrogent (sp? that doesn't look right) and sick is what I see Cindy as.


Speaking solely in behalf of the company, here ...
Sooooo, what're they supposed to DO with her?
They can't fire her or she would SUE them.
They can't have her in the office,
she would run bizznizz away ...
They can't do a "lay off" so she can get unemployment ben's, which would be far below her salary, given the number of years she's been there... back to the SUE them thingy....

hmmmm,
what's left to do :shrug:
she DANG sure won't QUIT.

[Oregongal]

I think several things are coming into play with Cindy's leave from her employer. First, she did mention in one interview that they had some very generous leave options in place for PTO. I have no problem with that being used by a Grandmother grieving and searching for her missing grandchild....whether or not I feel Cindy fits that bill is another thing. ONly her employer need think it necessary though, public opinion doesn't ( and IMO, Shouldn't ) mean diddley. I do think she has surpassed what would normally be given though, even in such an extreme situation they can't pay for years, etc.
Second, I strongly suspect her license is up for review based upon her failure to report the financial exploitation of her own parents and her own public behavior ( this relates to the third factor at work )....possibly also failure to act on suspicion of neglect of her grandchild ( that is only if there are past issues/concerns Social services may know of which we do not...).
Thrid, I imagine that Cindy is under medical care for her mental health by now, and may be medicated heavily to aid her in coping...most likely strongly advised by her employer. Her public actions have created not just public relation issues for any business, but some serious concerns about her ability to do her job, IMO. Would you want a nurse who couldn't be truthful to save her life or who waved a hammer at people she was in conflict with? I really don't think she is mentally fit to work in a medical practice at this time...between the privacy and nurturing aspects of the job, and the actual safety of the patients ( which relies on her abilty to do things correctly, etc.) she isn't in the best condition to be administering care to others right now. Understandable, but again...nursing requires a much better emotional state then say cooking pizza or working a grocery store cash register.
Anyway, thats MO...I think her employer has advised her to remain on leave until her mental health is improved and concerns about her own behavior/actions in direct relationship to her nursing license are resolved....this may be a situation that ends in termination if she loses her license. If she has had a long term employment w/ this doctor, I would think they would try to show her extra consideration and allow as long as possible in hopes she could resolve these things positively.
JMO.

Great post OU!
With your words I have shifted my feelings a bit about Cindy. Thank you for the wonderful compassionate way you brought these points to me. I can't even begin to imagine what Cindy may be going thru and God willing I never will.
But, tonight as I go to sleep I will pray that I can have more compassion for Cindy and and ask for blessings for you because you have helped me realize I should be praying for that.
:rose:

[VII]

Oneup very well stated. I agree that mentally she probably is not capable of doing her job as she should. I also believe that if she is a long term employer she will get extra compensation. (I got an extra week pay when my husband died because I had worked at company for over 24 years) but Iam concerned if this is a balanced fund where employees put in vacation/sick time and company matches then fund would only have a certain amount. Seems if it is unending she could use all the account and none left for any other employees. Of course, that is up to the company to decide how long and how much. Just doesn't seem fair to other employees that may need some time.


I don't think the Nursing License Review Board would take action regarding her license at this time. They, too, must sit and wait until LE has completed their work.

[nana6]

is anyone noticing how slow this is tonight? I have had page 6 forever!! It just now shoed page 7 for me!

[nana6]

where are u guys???

[VII]

is anyone noticing how slow this is tonight? I have had page 6 forever!! It just now shoed page 7 for me!


7?

I'm stuck back here on page 4!!!

Nite.

[nana6]

7?

I'm stuck back here on page 4!!!

Nite.

ok this is rediculous see you tomorrow good night prayers for little Caylee:rose:

[OneUp]

Great post OU!
With your words I have shifted my feelings a bit about Cindy. Thank you for the wonderful compassionate way you brought these points to me. I can't even begin to imagine what Cindy may be going thru and God willing I never will.
But, tonight as I go to sleep I will pray that I can have more compassion for Cindy and and ask for blessings for you because you have helped me realize I should be praying for that.
:rose:TY Oregon...I see that Cindy, Lee and George are still human beings and capable of changing and redeeming themselves, unlike Casey whom I truely feel has made of herself an abomination with her actions. That may sound dramatic, but I really feel people can give up the things within that make us truely human by commiting some heinous actions. That, IMO, causes one to effectively lose their soul and become abominations unto God and man.
I don't have to approve of the Anthony's actions to feel badly when they are in pain and distressed...nor does that mean I condone or excuse their actions. They have all done their share of awful and inexcusable things, but that doesn't mean they no longer "count". That doesn't mean they are beyond redemption either. Human beings all deserve to be given compassion, you can lose that privelege through your own actions IMO. But I think kindness and support should always be extended to others first....Cindy in particular makes it REAL hard to have concern for her...she just doesn't seem likeable even under better circumstances, but I still think she suffers and I still wish she would face facts and accept her responsibility in this so she had a chance to heal and have some sort of a life. I'm living proof that even the loss of your child doesn't have to mean you happiness OR your work here on Earth is over.
Just as I don't see the blame in this situation as black and white, I don't see any of these people as all good or all bad. A wrong behavior by one does not absolve the guilt of another. If I feel Cindy and George were poor parents, that doesn't ameliorate the guilt of Casey for her actions...By thinking Casey alone harmed Caylee, that doesn't mean I don't see some guilt that has been earned by others in the family because of their own actions...each of them probably has their own contribution to this mess. Large or small, those are their burdens to work out with God. Even though they may have been wrong, may even continue to be in the wrong and act ugly, that doesn't mean they aren't suffering. I imagine the pain of their private guilt is the worst torture of all for those three.
Making a mistake, or even doing some pretty rotten things doesn't make people throwaways for me....killing a child is one of the few things that cold cause me to reject one of my fellow humans outright. IMO, Casey has made herself worthy of being thrust outside my embrace of humanity....for the sum of her actions, those we can be sure she has done and those we strongly suspect.
JMO.

[Rayosunshine]

Speaking solely in behalf of the company, here ...
Sooooo, what're they supposed to DO with her?
They can't fire her or she would SUE them.
They can't have her in the office,
she would run bizznizz away ...
They can't do a "lay off" so she can get unemployment ben's, which would be far below her salary, given the number of years she's been there... back to the SUE them thingy....

hmmmm,
what's left to do :shrug:
she DANG sure won't QUIT.

I wonder when her benefits run out if she will be able to take Family Medical Leave. Also wonder if this situation would be qualified.

[need2no]

Speaking solely in behalf of the company, here ...
Sooooo, what're they supposed to DO with her?
They can't fire her or she would SUE them.
They can't have her in the office,
she would run bizznizz away ...
They can't do a "lay off" so she can get unemployment ben's, which would be far below her salary, given the number of years she's been there... back to the SUE them thingy....

hmmmm,
what's left to do :shrug:
she DANG sure won't QUIT.


From a strictly legal standpoint they have no obligation to hold her job. They have probably had to hire a temp to fill her position since she has been out of work so long. I wonder if her PTO is accrued through the year....if so she hasn't even earned the 5 weeks pay.

From my experience, if her manager or someone in authority told her they would pay her until Caylee is found they have probably put their own job in jeopardy. Any arrangements you make with an employee need to be put in writing and signed by both parties. Gentiva should have contacted their attorneys before deciding how to handle this delicate situation in order to protect themselves. This is not a little mom and pop organization...someone at the top will start screaming at some point, especially in these tough economic times.

They will need to give Cindy a set amount of time for a family emergency leave of absence (in writing) that they will hold her job for her....IF they even want her back. It is an awful and ackward thing to do but an employee who isn't working can't expect to be paid full salary indefinitely (after leave runs out), while the company is also having to pay someone else to do her job. What if when all is said and done (Casey is found guilty and sent to prison :biggrin:), she decides she is still unable to return to work for a while longer stating extreme stress and depression....yet she won't resign....they can't hold her job open and/or pay her on and on when she isn't earning the salary, and the position needs to be filled. Heck what if they pay her for a year or more and then she resigns to write a best selling book or collaborate on a movie deal. :eek:

Of course since they probably don't want her to come back right now and would be fearful she might if she felt her job was threatened...they are between a rock and a hard place. They also don't want any bad publicity for letting her go while she is in this mess and her granddaughter's fate has not been determined.

What a mess....let's unleash the lawyers.

[Rayosunshine]

its in amys txt messages, that she falls asleep at the wheel and totals her car. At least that is what she wrote. Then she met her dad a week later down at a car lot and drove off with the new car that Casey ended up driving. So yes she did total her car, hit a guardrail, claimed lack of sleep on the way home from work...
I just read that the other night.
Dots

did you also read how surprised she was that she didn't get ticketed for DUI? I think that's in text messages.

[OneUp]

Ugh, not only is the board functioning slowly for me...it has also "eaten" my paragraphs.
My posts are long enough with breaks in them...no paragraphs makes them practically unreadable!...I wonder what on Earth has made the spacing off?
Sorry peeps!
It is getting really late anyway, so I don't need to post further. The only good thing about a slow board is that it was easy to get caught up with todays reading!
I wish there had been news though...just as everyday, I am working hard to be patient for resolution.
JMO.

[Rayosunshine]

is anyone noticing how slow this is tonight? I have had page 6 forever!! It just now shoed page 7 for me!

Very slow. I think the lack of new information has caused the lull.

[need2no]

I wonder when her benefits run out if she will be able to take Family Medical Leave. Also wonder if this situation would be qualified.

No, this situation would not fall under the FMLA.

[aubrey04]

Ya know, when it comes to Casey I can almost picture her yakking on the phone while disposing of Caylee's body. Eeeuuu! I know, but, nothing would surprise me at this point. Sicken me yes, surprise me, no.
Poor lil angel Caylee who had the misfortune of being born of a mother like this. But, I'm sure she is in a far better place and God had a plan for her.
:rose:

Sadly, I can picture HER/Casey yakking soon after the body disposal, maybe not at the same time.. but I think most peoples state of mind would preclude them from yakking to friends surrounding that timeframe. I would think someone would be too traumatized to call and text friends.. but as we have all discussed, we are discussing a "unique" individual.

I'm gett'n skeeered of aubrey :D

that's a good point about the calls and text msg'g because as you said that's hardly something she'd be doing while in the midst of disposing of the body even if she is the TEXT MSG QUEEN of Florida.

I wonder if LE has spotted any particular time where she took an unusually long break from her cell which from the sounds of things would be anything longer than 5 minutes. :rolleyes:

and where the last ping came from... i suppose they probably have and i imagine it's been discussed here as well but I hadn't really thought about that aspect of it until your post.


TXT MSG QUEEN of Florida.. So true. I wonder the same things as you do. I wonder if they have narrowed it down to what day she might have disposed of Caylee because Casey had a 31 day headstart.. It seems like a lot of people think she was disposed of within the June 16th-18th timeframe.. I think if they can pinpoint the date - they can match up the pings and have a general area to search.

I hope Tim Miller and TES can work their magic and find her! She needs to have a decent and proper burial.

[need2no]

Ugh, not only is the board functioning slowly for me...it has also "eaten" my paragraphs.
My posts are long enough with breaks in them...no paragraphs makes them practically unreadable!...I wonder what on Earth has made the spacing off?
Sorry peeps!
It is getting really late anyway, so I don't need to post further. The only good thing about a slow board is that it was easy to get caught up with todays reading!
I wish there had been news though...just as everyday, I am working hard to be patient for resolution.
JMO.


I keep having to leave this board and read elsewhere because it is making me crazy the way it's malfunctioning. Scrolling, quoting, posting is all very time consuming and difficult! :cuss:

PLEASE everybody who is having a problem go and make a post about this on the FEEDBACK THREAD. Fallen Angel opened a thread about the board problems...if enough of us complain maybe they will do something about it.

I want to keep up with this case but the board hick ups are making it very difficult to say the least!

[OneUp]

From a strictly legal standpoint they have no obligation to hold her job. They have probably had to hire a temp to fill her position since she has been out of work so long. I wonder if her PTO is accrued through the year....if so she hasn't even earned the 5 weeks pay.

From my experience, if her manager or someone in authority told her they would pay her until Caylee is found they have probably put their own job in jeopardy. Any arrangements you make with an employee need to be put in writing and signed by both parties. Gentiva should have contacted their attorneys before deciding how to handle this delicate situation in order to protect themselves. This is not a little mom and pop organization...someone at the top will start screaming at some point, especially in these tough economic times.

They will need to give Cindy a set amount of time for a family emergency leave of absence (in writing) that they will hold her job for her....IF they even want her back. It is an awful and ackward thing to do but an employee who isn't working can't expect to be paid full salary indefinitely (after leave runs out), while the company is also having to pay someone else to do her job. What if when all is said and done (Casey is found guilty and sent to prison :biggrin:), she decides she is still unable to return to work for a while longer stating extreme stress and depression....yet she won't resign....they can't hold her job open and/or pay her on and on when she isn't earning the salary, and the position needs to be filled. Heck what if they pay her for a year or more and then she resigns to write a best selling book or collaborate on a movie deal. :eek:

Of course since they probably don't want her to come back right now and would be fearful she might if she felt her job was threatened...they are between a rock and a hard place. They also don't want any bad publicity for letting her go while she is in this mess and her granddaughter's fate has not been determined.

What a mess....let's unleash the lawyers.
i don't doubt they have consulted their lawyers...and I think some extension of her leave beyond the norm was the result. IMO, that is as much a CYOA move as a kindness. I would think there was a standard leave period, and a limited amount iof extension on that for "special circumstances".
I think Cindy's may have been on a paid leave that is about to have run it's course ( two months seems reasonable to me, even with some extension). After that I think she will be given unpaid leave until any legal/mental issues are resolved OR the offer of a severance package.
The Co. cannot be expected to hold her position indefintiely, but as you said...they are in a rather tricky position with a mental health related leave or any pending investigation of a license.
I would think the mental health leave might be directly addressed by standing company policy...I'm not sure about the nursing license. I don't know much about the medical field.
I know in the counseling/ social service field that a mental health leave would be for a set time, and not often be extended if one was unable to return to work at that time...and an employee would be on suspension pendig any investigation, with only any accrued paid time off to lean on unless a private employer had some special benefit like Cindy's does.
JMO.

[Kathlb]

I didn't mean to imply that Amy had anything to do with Caylee's disappearance. What I wanted to say was that many medications will affect a polygraph, particularly those that inhibit the sympathetic nervous system. Xanax, per se, would not have this effect, but may result in enough control of the sympathetic system that errors/untruths might not be evident. Drugs that inhibit the sympathetic nervous system work by blocking the release of hormones commonly associated with the "fight or flight" syndrome - adrenalin surge is inhibited, so this affects heart rate, breathing, sweating, nervousness - these symptoms are held in check. Drugs that inhibit this system are classified as antiadrenergic drugs, comes from the word, adrenal, thus, against the adrenal gland.

Anti-depressants, heart medication, some bp meds can also inhibit the fight or flight reflex. There is a cardiac medication that is commonly used by many performers for the simple reason that they can maintain control while performing - some classical pianists have been know to use a beta-blocker because they cannot tolerate the slightest change in control while performing - there's not much room for error on a keyboard, lol.

Sorry, it's the nurse in me.

Thank you for that! My brother is an entertainer and the doctor gave him beta blockers to help him while he performs. I always thought that was weird and didn't really know if I believed him. :-) But from what you say, I guess it's true. The doctor also told him that other entertainers in the area use them while they perform. My brother plays the piano and sings.

[OneUp]

In my own case, my employer gave me two months time off...accrued benefits only. When that was up I returned to work, but not full duties. I did things like filing/records updates, and record checking, consultation with other couselors, court consultations, etc. mostly
paperwork" type of work, not direct client interaction, etc....It was a long while and in a different capacity before I engaged in any further counseling work. I never went back to the more intensive thigs I once did for a living.
I was fortunate to have many friends and a supportive community that aided in picking up my expense for a good long while. If not for the generousity of others, I would not have made it financially ( or otherwise for that matter). I don't see that level of support for the Anthony's though. I do see financial woes in their future, they didn't really enter this in good shape as far as I have seen...no savings and poor credit according to what iIunderstood from the bond hearing. George is back at work, so that may be covering the majority of their major expenses...I haven't a clue what security pays...???
JMO.
ETA: most of my employers have had clauses in my hire contract that allowed them to basically fire at will if they felt an employee's behavior reflected poorly on the co. or interferred w/ their ability to do their jobs. I've had coworkers fired over traffic tickets, and "messy" public behavior before....My own positions had "morality clauses" attached to them...soome of those hire contracts were weirdly specific as to what was considered a firing offense.

[need2no]

i don't doubt they have consulted their lawyers...and I think some extension of her leave beyond the norm was the result. IMO, that is as much a CYOA move as a kindness. I would think there was a standard leave period, and a limited amount iof extension on that for "special circumstances".
I think Cindy's may have been on a paid leave that is about to have run it's course ( two months seems reasonable to me, even with some extension). After that I think she will be given unpaid leave until any legal/mental issues are resolved OR the offer of a severance package.
The Co. cannot be expected to hold her position indefintiely, but as you said...they are in a rather tricky position with a mental health related leave or any pending investigation of a license.
I would think the mental health leave might be directly addressed by standing company policy...I'm not sure about the nursing license. I don't know much about the medical field.
I know in the counseling/ social service field that a mental health leave would be for a set time, and not often be extended if one was unable to return to work at that time...and an employee would be on suspension pendig any investigation, with only any accrued paid time off to lean on unless a private employer had some special benefit like Cindy's does.
JMO.

Keeping in mind that the information we have about Cindy's leave from work situation came from Cindy's mouth. Also when Cindy stated this she was at the bond hearing trying to convince the prosecutor, or rather the Judge that she would have the money to post bond. When the pros. questioned her about currently not working, IIRC Cindy's statement was she was told by her manager she would get paid until Caylee was found. This doesn't sound like a statement an attorney would have suggested the manager relay to Cindy. It also doesn't sound like something a manager with any experience in HR would have stated, and if she did out of human compassion she will likely regret that statement. Who knows...Cindy's statement might be a mistruth, or an exggeration..imagine that!

[nc1948]

Speaking solely in behalf of the company, here ...
Sooooo, what're they supposed to DO with her?
They can't fire her or she would SUE them.
They can't have her in the office,
she would run bizznizz away ...
They can't do a "lay off" so she can get unemployment ben's, which would be far below her salary, given the number of years she's been there... back to the SUE them thingy....

hmmmm,
what's left to do :shrug:
she DANG sure won't QUIT.

I'm not so sure they couldn't fire her. She is not showing up for work.
Of course we do not know what the employees handbook states. If this benefit does not state a maximum amount of time an employee can be off, they may not be able to fire her. I know with FMLA you can only have a certain amount of time and Dr has to verify, once Dr says emergency is over you better return or you can be fired. So do no know. Bet the company has not had this senario before.

[nc1948]

No, this situation would not fall under the FMLA.

FMLA does cover mental stress if a Dr were to say that is the problem BUT, I don't think you can backdate it. I think most FMLA has to be approved before you can start drawing.

I do think this company has fund itself in a terrible situation. I would bet they will rewrite the employee handbook.

[nc1948]

Keeping in mind that the information we have about Cindy's leave from work situation came from Cindy's mouth. Also when Cindy stated this she was at the bond hearing trying to convince the prosecutor, or rather the Judge that she would have the money to post bond. When the pros. questioned her about currently not working, IIRC Cindy's statement was she was told by her manager she would get paid until Caylee was found. This doesn't sound like a statement an attorney would have suggested the manager relay to Cindy. It also doesn't sound like something a manager with any experience in HR would have stated, and if she did out of human compassion she will likely regret that statement. Who knows...Cindy's statement might be a mistruth, or an exggeration..imagine that!

Thanks for bringing us back down to earth. You are of so correct. This was said by lying Cindy. Puts a whole new light on the matter. It may be a totally non issue

[MichelleP]

I have a question for anyone who knows

http://www.helpfindcaylee.com/

I am having a hard time getting to the site, does anyone know why? Has that site been taken offline or something? Thank you.

[nc1948]

I have a question for anyone who knows

http://www.helpfindcaylee.com/

I am having a hard time getting to the site, does anyone know why? Has that site been taken offline or something? Thank you.

Don't know what is up with them. I cannot get on either. Screen goes black.

[GrannyB]

I have a question for anyone who knows

http://www.helpfindcaylee.com/

I am having a hard time getting to the site, does anyone know why? Has that site been taken offline or something? Thank you.



It doesn't work for me either.:shrug:

[MichelleP]

Works for me .. :shrug:

It must have been down or something, works now for me too.