Michelle Young..Oct.4th.'til [Archive] - Page 2

Kat4Eagles

10-07-2008, 06:51 PM

I think they are looking for any information regarding the murder between the hours of midnight and 6 a.m. There is no where in any of the information that indicates that Michelle was murdered at midnight. As a matter of fact, there was a poster early on that indicated that she had information that Michelle was on the computer AFTER midnight. IMO

Gotcha,so, after months of dissing my good bud, Lin, now "we " believe her.

There is no indication of what time Michelle died, from anyone, anywhere, or anyhow.

Sorry!!

Time of death=UNKNOWN.

Kat

Barbara2

10-07-2008, 06:54 PM

Gotcha,so, after months of dissing my good bud, Lin, now "we " believe her.

There is no indication of what time Michelle died, from anyone, anywhere, or anyhow.

Sorry!!

Time of death=UNKNOWN.

Kat

What are you talking about?? Where have I "dissed" Lyn?

You said midnight. So are you now saying that midnight is NOT the time of death because you really don't know even though you posted midnight as the time?

Kat4Eagles

10-07-2008, 06:55 PM

Thanks for the correction !

That fits the murder time-line for Jason even better.

:biggrin:

And, that is why another GJ came and went without yet another arrest.

:biggrin:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-07-2008, 06:58 PM

Dead wrong?
Nice choice of words :rolleyes:

There is no way of knowing when Michelle died, so it could be anywhere from midnite on.

And, if it was closer to midnite, that means her body was there for 13 and a half hours, and that also clears Jay.

Kat

Where do I say Michelle was murdered at midnite?
I didn't think so..

Hope this helps.

:)

Kat

Barbara2

10-07-2008, 07:00 PM

Jay was seen on the hotel video at midnite, and if Michelle was murdered at midnite, then_____________________________________________.

Fill in the blank.

Kat

Right here.

Kat4Eagles

10-07-2008, 07:00 PM

The ME has a pretty good idea when she died.
Guess you'll just have to wait till he takes the stand.

I would hope so.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-07-2008, 07:01 PM

Right here.

Gosh, do you not see the word "if"?

:magnifying icon:

Kat

Barbara2

10-07-2008, 07:05 PM

Gosh, do you not see the word "if"?

:magnifying icon:

Kat

Your implication as if it is fact. And no "in my opinion". Twist all you want but that's what you said. Maybe you need to save that magnification for yourself. IMO

Kat4Eagles

10-07-2008, 07:30 PM

LE left it open as far as asking anyone if they saw something but I'm of the opinion that the ME was able to pinpoint TOD to within an hour or two.

Michelle was found at 1:30 pm face-down. Livor was noted on her posterior by the ME who probably also took her body temp, bagged her hands, etc. So her body had been left on its back for hours after her death and then turned over to be face-down. That's pretty bizarre. Jason wasn't around to do that. Who then?

There has to be a more definite time of death, we just don't get to know when it was, so.............all we can do is guess...

We can take things into consideration such as the fact Michelle was still dressed, and that maybe she was the one who even put all the house lights on..
Maybe she heard a noise and went to investigate...

:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-07-2008, 07:47 PM

You you don't have no respect at all for Michelle do you:shrug:

Very much so, but my faith in the promises made, for an imminent arrest,not so much.

:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-07-2008, 07:55 PM

So you are upset the promise he would be arrested by now is untrue :shrug:

No,just of the use of the word imminent.

Ready to take place.

To occur at any moment.

23 months does not equal=imminent anything.

Kat

annalyzer

10-07-2008, 09:24 PM

Meredith arrived at 1:30 pm at the request of Jason Young.
The SUV in question was between Duffield Va and Brevard NC at that time.

1:30pm? This is the first time I think I've heard what time she arrived there.

sonya

10-07-2008, 09:57 PM

When the notation was entered into the report is as irrelevant as the day and time the investigative report was typed up.

The ME visited the crime scene and made observations, took body temp, etc.

Well, think again, because the autopsy report was written 11/04/06 at 11:30 a.m., and body was reported as cold, and rigor reported as not detectable. So, your theory that the ME visited the crime scene and made observations is undoubtably right, but his report was about observations he made when he received the body for autopsy the next day, 11/04/06, not what he saw 11/03/06.

annalyzer

10-07-2008, 09:58 PM

She said she arrived at his request, found the body and immediately called 911. Do you think she was there earlier and lied to the cops ?

I wasn't even thinking about her being there earlier and lying to LE. I just said I think that is the first time I heard what time she arrived there. It just struck me as awfully late in the day is all.

All you had to do was say the first sentence and that was the time of the call. Must you always be so defensive? Geesh. :rolleyes:

sonya

10-07-2008, 09:59 PM

I asked if the light-colored SUV seen by the witness was still there when Meredith arrived. Slow down and :read:

How would anyone here know the answer to that ?

sonya

10-07-2008, 10:01 PM

Very much so, but my faith in the promises made, for an imminent arrest,not so much.

:shrug:

Kat

An arrest is imminent, but no one has promised you anything. Why are you always posting that ?

sonya

10-07-2008, 10:04 PM

The notes from the autopsy about livor were made after 9am on Saturday. That would be nearly 20 hours after her body was first discovered.

That's right, and if I recall correctly, Meredith said on the 911 tape that Michelle's body was "twisted" when the dispatcher asked her if she could turn her over. That could mean several things, but it does explain why livor would be posterior and other reports said she was face down.

annalyzer

10-07-2008, 10:21 PM

I thought it was common knowledge the body was found at 1:30 PM.
Your question just seemed a bit odd since you have been following the case so long.

Whatever. I was thinking more mid-morning, 11ish. Good God this means the baby was left alone with her dead mother for over 8 hours.

Kat4Eagles

10-07-2008, 11:36 PM

You must need to change your eye wear.
Or the pic you was looking up must not have been clear.
The child looks scared to death of her own daddy.
Jason looks like he may have met bubba already....:read:

So, then L E swooshed over to Brevard and scooped C up and snagged her away from Jay?

And, the Fishers filed a emergency custody hearing with the Judge?:rolleyes:

Wow, cool observation of a child that just looks tired and cranky from a full day of vacation and sightseeing and maybe just does not want another pic taken?

:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-07-2008, 11:41 PM

Kat4Eagles

10-07-2008, 11:45 PM

I thought it was common knowledge the body was found at 1:30 PM.
Your question just seemed a bit odd since you have been following the case so long.

But, not everyone is obsessed with the case. :cough:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-07-2008, 11:48 PM

The "car" seen was a light colored SUV , similar to JY's white explorer (per SW).

Per the tax records, meredith owned a dark Honda Accord coupe.

Hardly a 'light colored SUV'

Who would look up tax records to see what kind of car someone drove?

Wow.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-08-2008, 12:20 AM

Is anyone else having trouble posting?

The page gets stuck and it takes 4ever to come up.

:confused:

Kat

BiggerRedDog

10-08-2008, 03:24 AM

Is anyone else having trouble posting?
The page gets stuck and it takes 4ever to come up.
:confused:
KatWorks fine here.

BiggerRedDog

10-08-2008, 03:33 AM

:lol: But the other insiders you believe without any questions to their credibility, reliability, responsibility, and respectability!!
Gotcha, I see how it works now!!
You know it is all going to come one day, eventually, you do know that, right?
And I believe June when she says she heard LF call Jason a murderer at the funeral home.
KatNo, I don't believe "other" insiders without question.
What is all going to come one day?
So you believe June was at the funeral home and she heard LF call Jason a murderer? I believe you believe that.

sonya

10-08-2008, 04:28 AM

[QUOTE=sonya;12248248]An arrest is imminent, but no one has promised you anything. Why are you always posting that ?[QUOTE}

:lol:

You just did it again, you said an arrest was imminent.

Imminent means an immediate response, ready to take place, or occuring at any moment.

So, an arrest is imminent?

Why do you do that?

Why the need to set yourself and other posters up for imminent disappointment ?

:confused:

Kat
**********

Here are some words which mean the same as imminent:

imminent
adjective: coming, approaching, on the way, in the air, forthcoming, impending, upcoming, in the offing, << OPPOSITE remote

I do not see the word immediately anywhere in that list, and I am not sure who you claim told you an arrest was going to be occurring at any moment, I have never read that on this board. Posters have hoped for an arrest, of course no one wants to see the killer walking around free, while Michelle's life has ended so viciously, but no one can read LE's minds or set a date for an arrest. That's ridiculous to even think...
Just because posters state that an arrest is approaching, (which it is) no one has ever PROMISED YOU ANYTHING, that is something YOU have invented yourself, and have counted it down a hundred times. I have never understood why you constantly are ticking off days and dates and demanding to know why certain things have not happened within your personal timetables. :shrug:

BiggerRedDog

10-08-2008, 04:29 AM

To me, there is a lot more to add:
3) No visible signs of Jason being in a struggle.
4) No one can come with a motive that makes sense
5) No eyewtiness
6) The 911 call that borders on bizarre
7) Timeline scrunched from seeing Jason @ midnite in Hillsville
Kat
3) As violent as Michelle's beating was, I can see a perpetrator in these circumstances not necessarily showing signs of a struggle.
4) Michelle possibly wanting to end the marriage, or any number of other possible motives, make sense to me.
5) Maybe Cassidy. Maybe nobody. Doesn't make JLY any more or less likely to have murdered his wife and unborn son.
6) You think Meredith's 911 call borders on bizarre. I do not. The call sounds eerily familiar to me. Sorta kinda been there done that (in very different circumstances).
7) Scrunched or otherwise, the timeline, as we know it, is still doable.

sonya

10-08-2008, 04:31 AM

Very much so, but my faith in the promises made, for an imminent arrest,not so much.

:shrug:

Kat

Can you supply a link to that "promise" that was made to you ?

sonya

10-08-2008, 04:37 AM

But, not everyone is obsessed with the case. :cough:

Kat

Personally, I can't think of anyone obsessed with this case, except maybe you and Mimi er...Reinya, the other posters just seem genuinely concerned and compassionate for what Michelle went thru and what her mom and sister still go thru every day. Stay calm, resolution is imminent !

sonya

10-08-2008, 04:47 AM

Of course the body was cold the day AFTER it was discovered. Bodies are stored in a cooler in the morgue to deter decomposition.

The ME doesn't wait a day to try to establish TOD. Whatever gave you such a ridiculous idea?

You said the ME wrote his observations about Michelle the day her body was found, you are wrong, he wrote the autopsy report the next day and reported her body temp and condition of rigor then, Nov. 4 2006. As for your repetitive rudeness, and false accusations what ever gave you such a ridiculous idea that I said the ME waited a day to establish TOD ? I never said any such thing, and I would appreciate if you would stop fabricating about my posts.

sonya

10-08-2008, 04:57 AM

That observation of livor should have been made at the house before the body was ever moved. Are you trying to say that the ME waited 20 hours after the body was found to check for livor? If that is the way it is done in NC no wonder there are so many unsolved murders.

She is plainly stating the ME wrote what condition Michelle was in on Nov. 4 2006, when he reported her temp as "cold" and the rigor as "not detectable". No one said the ME waited 20 hours after body was found to check for livor, he reported it in his autopsy report NOV 4 2006, ok ?

sonya

10-08-2008, 05:03 AM

I think the miracle is that the only blood Cassie had on her was her socks. Wouldn't you have thought she would have gotten blood on her clothes by sitting close to her mom or I would even expect to see her little bloody hand prints but there wasn't any. Its almost like she wasn't even in that house all day.

Please supply a link telling where blood was found on Cassidy, and where and if she left bloody handprints. The awful truth is we know she was in that house all day with her mothers dead body, her footprints in blood were found and reported, and the sheriff confirmed that when he stated that it really made him mad that she was left in that home in that manner.
I can't imagine where you get the idea that "its almost like she wasn't even in that house all day" She can be heard plainly on the 911 tape talking non stop to Meredith, obviously she was relieved someone had finally shown up there and she could tell her what she had been discovering.

sonya

10-08-2008, 05:06 AM

Let me count the ways.
Driving the drive that Jason did the night Michelle was killed.
checking out the motel where Jason stayed.
Checking out the gas station where he bought gas.
Driving the road and taking pictures where Jason and Michelle had an accident .
examining the autopsy photos.

How about these things for starters.

Alot of people are armchair detectives, or amateur sleuths on this board, I don't find any of those things obsessive. Actually, I really don't know if these things have happened, it's just your word/rumor stating it.

BiggerRedDog

10-08-2008, 05:20 AM

That observation of livor should have been made at the house before the body was ever moved. Are you trying to say that the ME waited 20 hours after the body was found to check for livor? If that is the way it is done in NC no wonder there are so many unsolved murders.I'd hoped your "inside info" re the autopsy report would shed some light on this, June, but I learned I misread and/or misunderstood your earlier post. Do you think there might be info other than what is in the autopsy report that has been released?

BiggerRedDog

10-08-2008, 05:28 AM

BiggerRedDog

10-08-2008, 05:34 AM

Let me count the ways.
Driving the drive that Jason did the night Michelle was killed.
checking out the motel where Jason stayed.
Checking out the gas station where he bought gas.
Driving the road and taking pictures where Jason and Michelle had an accident .
examining the autopsy photos.

How about these things for starters.All things I would do if I was conveniently located and particularly interested in a case. I wouldn't consider it obsessed.

Cardinal

10-08-2008, 07:30 AM

Sonya is now slinging insults at posters based on fiction. In reality, only two facts stand out: The Franklin size 10 and the fact the body was turned over after many hours.

No arrest of JY really is no surprise.

The body being turned over after many hours is not a fact. It's an inference drawn from a couple of words in the AR.

HI_CYCLE

10-08-2008, 10:06 AM

Well, think again, because the autopsy report was written 11/04/06 at 11:30 a.m., and body was reported as cold, and rigor reported as not detectable. So, your theory that the ME visited the crime scene and made observations is undoubtably right, but his report was about observations he made when he received the body for autopsy the next day, 11/04/06, not what he saw 11/03/06.Sounds like his notes from 11/03 are being with held from the public. Surely the ME did on scene test and other observations to determine TOD?? So Michelle`s body had NOT been removed when Detectives was insisting Jason come to EO. How cruel. IMO.. Did their anger (LE) over ride SOP?? Were these last SW brought to harass Jason and family?? Does LE want JY convicted because he POTPP?
I want the real killer caught,convicted and justice served for Michelle and her family, all family. A closed crime scene,should have been solved a long time ago. I am afraid due to the EGO`s of a couple of LE officers,the real killer just may escape justice. I hope I am wrong..
GME1...

Kat4Eagles

10-08-2008, 10:16 AM

Works fine here.

Okay, thank you for the reply.

I am still having problem with it being slow.

Kat

HI_CYCLE

10-08-2008, 10:23 AM

That observation of livor should have been made at the house before the body was ever moved. Are you trying to say that the ME waited 20 hours after the body was found to check for livor? If that is the way it is done in NC no wonder there are so many unsolved murders.GM, june, Surely the ME come to the scene shortly after the discovery of Michelle. If for some reason LE was more concerned with her husband viewing the bloody scene,then ME getting to the scene,LE is in very deep poo-poo and will NEVER get a conviction with-out a confession and that ain`t gonna happen. IMOO

Kat4Eagles

10-08-2008, 10:23 AM

No, I don't believe "other" insiders without question.
What is all going to come one day?
So you believe June was at the funeral home and she heard LF call Jason a murderer? I believe you believe that.

There is only one way to find out, and that is when it is all over, if it ever is......of who was telling the truth, and who was a real insider.

O/T.....I posted with someone who swore she was attending the SP trial every day, and gave us the inside every day.

Everyone of us believed her and couldn't wait for her nitely blog, she later confessed she lived almost 2,000 miles away and had never been to Ca. in her life. Of course, she only confessed when later on her stories did not add up about what had actually taken place in the courtroom.

I guess that is why there is so much cynicism about "insiders" for me.

Kat4Eagles

10-08-2008, 10:27 AM

GM, june, Surely the ME come to the scene shortly after the discovery of Michelle. If for some reason LE was more concerned with her husband viewing the bloody scene,then ME getting to the scene,LE is in very deep poo-poo and will NEVER get a conviction with-out a confession and that ain`t gonna happen. IMOO

Morning Hi~C and June.......:seeya: Reinya and Annalyzer and others!!

Well, there is either another huge sigh of relief in Brevard, or perhaps they do not fear GJ day as much as we are led to believe that they do.

So, question for everyone:

If no one is arrested before 11/2/08, then no one can file a wrongful death suit ???

Ever??

Thank you.
:)

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-08-2008, 10:33 AM

[QUOTE=Kat4Eagles;12248820]
**********

Here are some words which mean the same as imminent:

imminent
adjective: coming, approaching, on the way, in the air, forthcoming, impending, upcoming, in the offing, << OPPOSITE remote

I do not see the word immediately anywhere in that list, and I am not sure who you claim told you an arrest was going to be occurring at any moment, I have never read that on this board. Posters have hoped for an arrest, of course no one wants to see the killer walking around free, while Michelle's life has ended so viciously, but no one can read LE's minds or set a date for an arrest. That's ridiculous to even think...
Just because posters state that an arrest is approaching, (which it is) no one has ever PROMISED YOU ANYTHING, that is something YOU have invented yourself, and have counted it down a hundred times. I have never understood why you constantly are ticking off days and dates and demanding to know why certain things have not happened within your personal timetables. :shrug:

There have been many posts not only promising an arrest but within a certain given timeframe.

We were told L E was on the way to Brevard to make an imminent arrest.

I guess reading posts like that gives you the impression that something is going to happen, as you want to believe that what is written here is "the truth and nothing but"...

:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-08-2008, 10:41 AM

3) As violent as Michelle's beating was, I can see a perpetrator in these circumstances not necessarily showing signs of a struggle.
4) Michelle possibly wanting to end the marriage, or any number of other possible motives, make sense to me.
5) Maybe Cassidy. Maybe nobody. Doesn't make JLY any more or less likely to have murdered his wife and unborn son.
6) You think Meredith's 911 call borders on bizarre. I do not. The call sounds eerily familiar to me. Sorta kinda been there done that (in very different circumstances).
7) Scrunched or otherwise, the timeline, as we know it, is still doable.

Number 7 wuld have to include a total of almost 12 hours of driving, from 8 pm to 10am.!!

3 hrs. to Hillsville
3 hrs. to Raleigh
3 hrs. to Hillsville again
3 hrs. to Clintwood

Even if you were to take a 1/2 hour off each of those times, you would have a total of a 10 hour drive.

Now, you add in a murder, a clean up, a disposal ,and walking into your meeting like everything is cool and right in this world.

No emotional signs of being tired, no physical signs of being in a struggle.

Just everyday normal.

Does not look do~able to me.

Kat

HI_CYCLE

10-08-2008, 10:49 AM

Morning Hi~C and June.......:seeya: Reinya and Annalyzer and others!!

Well, there is either another huge sigh of relief in Brevard, or perhaps they do not fear GJ day as much as we are led to believe that they do.

So, question for everyone:

If no one is arrested before 11/2/08, then no one can file a wrongful death suit ???

Ever??

Thank you.
:)

KatGM,kat, I seem to recall reading a while back where LF had met with the DA about information she could use to bring a wrongful death suit and was not allowed any information on the investigation. I could be mistaken, so much false information and rumors have been written 4 the past 2 years. But, I can not answer your question.

Kat4Eagles

10-08-2008, 11:07 AM

GM,kat, I seem to recall reading a while back where LF had met with the DA about information she could use to bring a wrongful death suit and was not allowed any information on the investigation. I could be mistaken, so much false information and rumors have been written 4 the past 2 years. But, I can not answer your question.

Thank you Hi~C......
Maybe there will be an answer later!

The timeline:

Raleigh to Hillsville...approx. 167
Hillsville to Raleigh same 167 miles
Raleigh to Clintwood + 312 miles
________________________

646 miles total

If you drove 65 miles an hour-------- 9.9 hours
70 miles 9.2 hours

Jason stopping in Hillsville was practically the exact 1/2 way mark.
Jason being seen in Hillsville @ midnite adds another hour.

Kat

5swab5

10-08-2008, 11:15 AM

GM, june, Surely the ME come to the scene shortly after the discovery of Michelle. If for some reason LE was more concerned with her husband viewing the bloody scene,then ME getting to the scene,LE is in very deep poo-poo and will NEVER get a conviction with-out a confession and that ain`t gonna happen. IMOO

Because Michelle's murder happened in Wake County, I would assume that the Wake County Coroner was called to the scene. When her body was moved to Chapel Hill (Orange County), then the ME did the AR.

I seriously doubt the ME was at the Birchleaf house, but I do think that there is another report out there, from the Wake County Coroner.

MOO

Swabby

Kat4Eagles

10-08-2008, 11:23 AM

Because Michelle's murder happened in Wake County, I would assume that the Wake County Coroner was called to the scene. When her body was moved to Chapel Hill (Orange County), then the ME did the AR.

I seriously doubt the ME was at the Birchleaf house, but I do think that there is another report out there, from the Wake County Coroner.

MOO

Swabby

Another murder.. !!!!!!!!!!
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3696070

Kat

Amy

10-08-2008, 11:36 AM

Do "we" (here) know that for sure, June? That Cassidy only had bloody socks. If true, how do "we" or you know that?

When I read the post about no blood on clothes, no bloody handprints, I was thinking--just because it was not divulged to the public either way (prints, no prints) does not mean there was no bloody clothing, no bloody handprints. Just means it wasn't reported, either way. IMO

5swab5

10-08-2008, 11:37 AM

Another murder.. !!!!!!!!!!
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3696070

Kat

What is you point? Murders happen every day all over this Country.

She was not pregnant and it doesn't even list her husband as a surviving spouse. She was 69 years old, lived in another town and another county.

Please tell me that we aren't supposed to start linking every murder in N.C. on this board.

:shrug:

MOO

Swabby

Amy

10-08-2008, 11:40 AM

Yes, I believe the ME took notes of his observations the day the body was found, not the day after and you have yet to prove me wrong. It is unlikely that I am wrong and you haven't even tried to prove it. NC law dictates that the ME takes control of a body in a questionable death.
If you want to believe the ME took notes the next day, it's okay but no way will you convince me or any other intelligent poster that the ME waited until the next day to take Michelle's body temp, measure her eye pressures, etc.

You sure are paranoid, accusing me of being posters that I am not. Your desperation is sorta sad.

It seems reasonable that, when a body arrives @ the morgue, there are a few "admission" procedures that would take place. Whether by the ME himself, or by assistance, it would seem that these types of things would be done when the body was received, even if the ME could not do the autopsy right away. IMO

Kat4Eagles

10-08-2008, 11:43 AM

They happened. I'm sure someone here can provide you with a link to the blog dedicated to describing the autopsy photo's (it was posted a couple of days ago) and I have no doubt that Swabby can tell you exactly what posters did the rest. Each one was discussed here when it was done.

There is a big difference between sluething and asking questions, but when you insert yourself into an ongoing investigation by pretending to be someone you are not, that is crossing the line.

There is a lot more to the list that was posted, but I will defer any further comments at this time to others.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-08-2008, 11:49 AM

What is you point? Murders happen every day all over this Country.

She was not pregnant and it doesn't even list her husband as a surviving spouse. She was 69 years old, lived in another town and another county.

Please tell me that we aren't supposed to start linking every murder in N.C. on this board.

:shrug:

MOO

Swabby

I know murders happen every day,I live in a major crime city.
But, you have to admit, something is weird in NC with all these unsolved
murders.

Janet
Michelle
Jenna
Nancy

Then you have 3 or 4 military murders of women that just happened.

What the hey is going on there?

I googled Benson and Fuquay Varina came up with it, can't be that far away.
:confused:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-08-2008, 11:51 AM

You seem positively ecstatic about another murder in NC that has absolutely no connection to Michelle Young. What gives?

Nope, just answered the question, see above. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And, until Michelle's murder is solved, you have no idea to who or what it is connected with.
Kat

5swab5

10-08-2008, 11:53 AM

They happened. I'm sure someone here can provide you with a link to the blog dedicated to describing the autopsy photo's (it was posted a couple of days ago) and I have no doubt that Swabby can tell you exactly what posters did the rest. Each one was discussed here when it was done.

Many of us have "looked into" this murder, in more ways than just sitting behind a computer screen.

Crime sleuths do it all the time, if they live in the proximity and have the time.

Just as some will be at Jason's trial and others will be sitting at their computers waiting for info, that's just the way it goes.

MOO

Swabby

I would also add that some of us have attended Memorials, The LadyBug Lift-Off, lobbied for the Fetal Homicide Act in N.C., and contributed in every way possible to keep Michelle and Rylan's names in the public eye.

Kat4Eagles

10-08-2008, 11:57 AM

5swab5

10-08-2008, 11:58 AM

There is a big difference between sluething and asking questions, but when you insert yourself into an ongoing investigation by pretending to be someone you are not, that is crossing the line. (snipped)Kat

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Kat4Eagles

10-08-2008, 12:01 PM

Many of us have "looked into" this murder, in more ways than just sitting behind a computer screen.

Crime sleuths do it all the time, if they live in the proximity and have the time.

Just as some will be at Jason's trial and others will be sitting at their computers waiting for info, that's just the way it goes.

MOO

Swabby

I would also add that some of us have attended Memorials, The LadyBug Lift-Off, lobbied for the Fetal Homicide Act in N.C., and contributed in every way possible to keep Michelle and Rylan's names in the public eye.

Ps. Yes, but some things are normal, others, not so much.

If you lived in proximity to the crime, I could see driving by the home, to get an idea of the layout.

Although, even all that can be found on the net.

Down to the floorplans.

But, when you become involved to the point of obsession, then utoh.

I would be more afraid of someone like that than Jason Young!!!

Kat

5swab5

10-08-2008, 12:05 PM

I know murders happen every day,I live in a major crime city.
(snipped)
Kat

Am I to assume that all your criminals are arrested, tried and convicted the next day?

Maybe the DAs here are under extra scrutiny and making darn sure that they can get a conviction, before they move forward.

MOO

Swabby

HI_CYCLE

10-08-2008, 12:14 PM

You can also add in forced entry...

I think LE in this case is being completly honest with the folks in his/her county and area. I also REALLY respect this:"Authorities did not allow family member inside the house because it was a scene "they would not want to see," officials said."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3696070

5swab5

10-08-2008, 12:24 PM

Ps. Yes, but some things are normal, others, not so much.

(snipped)

But, when you become involved to the point of obsession, then utoh.

I would be more afraid of someone like that than Jason Young!!!

Kat

What you deem normal or obsessive is a very subjective call.

Why don't you have any "normal" standards for a grieving husband and father?

MOO

Swabby

HI_CYCLE

10-08-2008, 12:25 PM

Isn't Benson where they had the memorial for Michelle?
Bumped for info.

5swab5

10-08-2008, 12:30 PM

No bigger than yours when you stated you had inside info on the AR, and it turned out to be nothing more than has been presented on this board time and time again. Some inside info!

As for my imagination, I didn't imagine all those exclamation marks. It was a sign to me that Kat got excited reading about another murder. :shrug:

Don't feel alone 2¢,

I read both June & Kat's posts exactly like you did.

MOO

Swabby

HI_CYCLE

10-08-2008, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by june1943
"Isn't Benson where they had the memorial for Michelle?"
Swabby can you answer the above question,i see you are from CH,NC.?
TIA

5swab5

10-08-2008, 12:35 PM

Isn't Benson where they had the memorial for Michelle?

I don't know, but you can BET that it wasn't Brevard!

MOO

Swabby

HI_CYCLE

10-08-2008, 12:45 PM

I don't know, but you can BET that it wasn't Brevard!

MOO

SwabbyDarn, sorry to upset you. Why would this info bring out the anger? Just a question. I have always stated,one of my theories is a serial killer in the area.
This is being released on the murder."Bynum lived in the house for more than a decade, family members said. She lived alone until recently, when her adult son, Tony, moved in with her. Tony told deputies he was out all night and was not at the house, officials said."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3696070
hope he has a good alibi, i don`t even want to think a son could do this to his mother but it has happened. Hopefully LE will clear him today.

5swab5

10-08-2008, 01:00 PM

Darn, sorry to upset you. Why would this info bring out the anger? Just a question. I have always stated,one of my theories is a serial killer in the area.(snipped)

You didn't upset me. I wish I could remember, I just can't...there have been so many Memorials.

Not a single ONE of which has been sponsored by OR attended by the husband or any other member of his family...for that matter. I find that not only the pinnacle of disrespect, but very, very odd.

MOO

Swabby

Cardinal

10-08-2008, 01:22 PM

~snipped~

So, question for everyone:

If no one is arrested before 11/2/08, then no one can file a wrongful death suit ???

Ever??

Thank you.
:)

Kat

Actually, I believe Cassidy can file a WD suit once she turns 18.

5swab5

10-08-2008, 03:17 PM

Actually, I believe Cassidy can file a WD suit once she turns 18.

I find no reason that Linda couldn't file a Wrongful Death Suit, we live in a very litigious society. Anyone can file a lawsuit for almost anything they desire.

Even tho protocol may suggest that the Criminal Trial precedes the Civil trial. I can find nothing to prevent such an action. Unless Linda has been counseled to do otherwise. Which, at this point, I have to assume is true. For the very same reason that Linda hasn't appeared on every network in the Country begging for justice for Michelle & Rylan, out of sheer frustration..if nothing else.

I can only assume that she is satisfied with the course that the investigation has taken and confident of a resolution. I stand with her.

MOO

Swabby

BTW, the Grand Jury returned an indictment 8 months before Perry March was arrested, we have NO idea what all is going on in the background, IMO.

5swab5

10-08-2008, 03:20 PM

Of course the ME went to the scene. That's who takes jurisdiction of the body of a homicide victim in NC.

I believe that you are mistaken.

The ME's Office is in Orange County. The Wake County Coroner would have been the "person" on the scene @ Birchleaf.

Apples & Oranges.

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

10-08-2008, 03:23 PM

Of course the body in this homocide was turned over immediately to the ME. I don't believe any of the words typed up in the AR were actually typed by the ME. Do you?

Of course not, they were transcribed from notes and a audio recorder.

SOP.

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

10-08-2008, 03:44 PM

I've never contended that the same physician was at the scene and also performed the autopsy but a physician was at the scene. They didn't delay until the next day to perform necessary examinations to aid in TOD.(snipped)

I'm not going to spilt hairs with you, The implication has been that the ME was @ Birchleaf and was somehow remiss in noting certain things in the AR.

I am merely pointing out that the ME was not one of the "first responders" (IF he ever visited at all, which I doubt) at the scene and we have yet to see the Cororer of Wake County's report.:read:

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

10-08-2008, 04:19 PM

Anyone else having a horrible time editing?

I keep getting sent back to 10-04-08, when I try.

TIA

Swabby

5swab5

10-08-2008, 04:23 PM

At the park/lake in Garner.

I couldn't remember for sure, Raleigh is chopped up into such little pieces.

Thanks!

Swabby

BUT, Benson isn't one of them!

ETA, maybe I should have said the "Raleigh area" of Wake County.

5swab5

10-08-2008, 06:10 PM

You're welcome. The city limits of all the towns in Wake County run together now.

I agree, Cary is nibbling away at Chatham County as I type. The "Raleigh" area wants complete control of Jordan Lake, EVERY available piece of land and to "impose their will" on the good rural citizens of surrounding areas.

On the bright side, maybe they will move Jason's trial to Pittsboro. We don't take too kindly to wife and baby killers here.:biggrin:

MOO

Swabby

alter ego

10-08-2008, 06:58 PM

Actually, I believe Cassidy can file a WD suit once she turns 18.
What do you base your belief on, as I can't find any statute to support it.

5swab5

10-08-2008, 07:05 PM

wow. not only didn't you read my link, you didn't bother to read what I posted right here. The coroner of Wake County is a representative of the state's Medical Examiner. Why do you doubt he was at the scene of the homicide? Isn't that part of his job?

Go back & read mine, I said, that it HAD BEEN intimated that the Coroner and the ME were one in the same, they ARE NOT!

I was trying to explain, that there is NO way that we could expect to see the "core temps" of Michelle on the AR. Please :read:

Hope This Helps.:rolleyes:

MOO

Swabby

alter ego

10-08-2008, 07:08 PM

I find no reason that Linda couldn't file a Wrongful Death Suit, we live in a very litigious society. Anyone can file a lawsuit for almost anything they desire.

Even tho protocol may suggest that the Criminal Trial precedes the Civil trial. I can find nothing to prevent such an action. Unless Linda has been counseled to do otherwise. Which, at this point, I have to assume is true. For the very same reason that Linda hasn't appeared on every network in the Country begging for justice for Michelle & Rylan, out of sheer frustration..if nothing else.

I can only assume that she is satisfied with the course that the investigation has taken and confident of a resolution. I stand with her.

MOO

Swabby

BTW, the Grand Jury returned an indictment 8 months before Perry March was arrested, we have NO idea what all is going on in the background, IMO.
Linda must follow the law and cannot file a WD suit past the date described by law, which is 2 yrs after the murder.

BTW, the indictment was sealed as LE negotiated with Mexico for Perry March's extradiction and deportation - that is what was going on behind the scenes in that case.

5swab5

10-08-2008, 07:26 PM

Linda must follow the law and cannot file a WD suit past the date described by law, which is 2 yrs after the murder. [/COLOR]

Like I said, Linda lives in the Greatest Country in the World. Neither of us is 100% privy to what is going on in the background.

She is either confident with the process OR getting bad advice. I seriously doubt it is the latter, as there are WAY too many "ambulance chasers" out on the loose, for me to assume otherwise.

My Opinion and I'm sticking to it!

Swabby

alter ego

10-08-2008, 07:39 PM

Like I said, Linda lives in the Greatest Country in the World. Neither of us is 100% privy to what is going on in the background.

She is either confident with the process OR getting bad advice. I seriously doubt it is the latter, as there are WAY too many "ambulance chasers" out on the loose, for me to assume otherwise.

My Opinion and I'm sticking to it!

Swabby:confused:

The law is the law and if she files a WD suit after the time limit it will be tossed out.

I'm not claiming to know what is going on at the DAs office in Wake County. I am, however, very confident that nothing has been presented to the GJ or that there is a sealed indictment with Jason Young's name on it. Why? Because there would be no valid reason to seal the indictment and he hasn't been arrested.

annalyzer

10-08-2008, 07:47 PM

Linda must follow the law and cannot file a WD suit past the date described by law, which is 2 yrs after the murder.

In order to win it they'd have to prove there was wrongful death. If LE hasn't even named Jason a suspect, much less been able to get an indictment for murder against him, then how can LF prove wrongful death against JY?
Maybe that's why it hasn't and won't happen.

5swab5

10-08-2008, 08:04 PM

Nobody intimated that the coroner and the ME are one and the same. GMAB. There is a lot we didn't see on the AR, such as TOD.

Doesn't mean the temps were NOT taken at the crime scene, which is what you are lamely attempting to do.:lol:

YES, posters DID!

Please :read:, there is a reason that you don't see a "core temp" on the Autopsy Report! OR a report about ANYTHING else removed from Michelle's body AT THE CRIME SCENE!

I have tried to explain ALL day long, that the Wake County's Coroner's report is NOT a part of the ME's report in ORANGE COUNTY!

What does it take?

??????????????????

MOO

Swabby

Cardinal

10-08-2008, 08:19 PM

What do you base your belief on, as I can't find any statute to support it.

Hi, AE, long time no see. :)

I'm basing it on this:

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapter_48A/GS_48A-3.pdf

"For those persons not yet 18, any time periods for disaffirmance or
application of the statute of limitations shall run from the person's
reaching age 18."

5swab5

10-08-2008, 08:22 PM

:confused:

The law is the law and if she files a WD suit after the time limit it will be tossed out.

I'm not claiming to know what is going on at the DAs office in Wake County. I am, however, very confident that nothing has been presented to the GJ or that there is a sealed indictment with Jason Young's name on it. Why? Because there would be no valid reason to seal the indictment and he hasn't been arrested.

Linda can file anything she wants to, I stand on my belief that she is confident that things are progressing according to her information, AND that justice will be served.

MOO

Swabby

IF it were up to me, I would have dragged Jason Lynn Young's sorry butt into Court months ago! At least he would FINALLY have to acknowledge that his wife & unborn son are dead! (Epiphany coming?) WHERE IS THEIR MARKER Jason Lynn Young, family & fans? Nebbermind, y'all are too busy vacationing on BLOOD money and movin' on!

5swab5

10-08-2008, 08:30 PM

5swab5

10-08-2008, 08:34 PM

Why are you asking me to read? I'm not the one insisting the temp doesn't appear because it wasn't taken. Or that the body wasn't examined for signs of livor mortis until the next day in Chapel Hill. I'm not in that camp nosireee! I don't know what it's going to take to convince them otherwise but good luck with that.

Thank YOU!

5swab5

10-08-2008, 08:42 PM

Yes it certainly is apples and oranges. I said something about the coroner once and was harassed. I was told NC didn't have coroners and my friend in Morehead City wasn't a real ME or he wouldn't call himself a coroner. Now here I have seen the word all day and no one bothers to correct you. I guess it all depends on which side of the fence you are standing.

I am sorry that your veracity was questioned.

There is a lot that we don't know.

FOR one..(God, I hate typing this)...evidence was removed from Michelle at the scene. We all know that, but we are not privy to the reports.

MOO

Swabby

HI_CYCLE

10-08-2008, 10:11 PM

I am sorry that your veracity was questioned.

There is a lot that we don't know.

FOR one..(God, I hate typing this)...evidence was removed from Michelle at the scene. We all know that, but we are not privy to the reports.

MOO

SwabbyApparently that evidence does NOT implicate JY or he WOULD be arrested by now. Right?
Can you explain why you use the word "we" in this quote of yours?
"Let me know how that works for you after we put a simple case before the good citizens of N.C.!"

5swab5

10-08-2008, 10:30 PM

Apparently that evidence does NOT implicate JY or he WOULD be arrested by now. Right?
Can you explain why you use the word "we" in this quote of yours?
"Let me know how that works for you after we put a simple case before the good citizens of N.C.!"

Sorry to be confusing,

"We" as in a plural pronoun?...ALL of "US" (also a "plural" pronoun that are following Michelle & Rylan's BRUTAL murders/Jason's inexplicable freedom.)

Hope that helps.

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

10-08-2008, 10:51 PM

You are telling on yourself. When you say "we" put a simple case. Are you part of the DA's office. You never did tell us how Jason ruined your life. Maybe you mean in terms of not having enough evidence to prosecute.

LOL!

I don't sleep, think or wink anything except this case.

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE & RYLAN!

MOO

Swabby

alter ego

10-08-2008, 11:43 PM

In order to win it they'd have to prove there was wrongful death. If LE hasn't even named Jason a suspect, much less been able to get an indictment for murder against him, then how can LF prove wrongful death against JY?
Maybe that's why it hasn't and won't happen.Exactly. Linda would have to prove that Jason murdered Michelle if she filed a tort action against him w/o benefit of a pending criminal trial. I don't see any faction of Wake County turning over the investigation file or any test results to anyone outside LE.

I think it's a shame that there is such a small window for families of murder victims to file WD suits to prevent murderers from profiting from their crimes. There is no statute of limitations for murder and there should be no statute of limitations for families to file civil suits.

alter ego

10-09-2008, 12:06 AM

Hi, AE, long time no see. :)

I'm basing it on this:

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapter_48A/GS_48A-3.pdf

"For those persons not yet 18, any time periods for disaffirmance or
application of the statute of limitations shall run from the person's
reaching age 18."

Hiya Card :seeya:

the statute you linked details the statute of limitations that apply for a minor wishing to void a contract when they reach age of majority("applicable period of time for disaffirmance of a contract of a minor upon reaching majority") and which statutes apply for 18-21 yo. It appears the age of majority changed from 18 to 21 (or 21 to 18) at some point and this statute dictates what statute applies.

5swab5

10-09-2008, 12:16 AM

Exactly. Linda would have to prove that Jason murdered Michelle if she filed a tort action against him w/o benefit of a pending criminal trial. I don't see any faction of Wake County turning over the investigation file or any test results to anyone outside LE.

I think it's a shame that there is such a small window for families of murder victims to file WD suits to prevent murderers from profiting from their crimes. There is no statute of limitations for murder and there should be no statute of limitations for families to file civil suits.

I agree,

IF in the "face of all that is common and decent", WE are now at the mercy of legislation that prevents US from looking after the best interests of our deceased children & grandchildren, we have lost ALL.

MOO

Swabby

Blood is thicker than water!

alter ego

10-09-2008, 01:19 AM

Welcome back!!!
Thanks :D

Anything new in this case?

alter ego

10-09-2008, 01:24 AM

I agree,

IF in the "face of all that is common and decent", WE are now at the mercy of legislation that prevents US from looking after the best interests of our deceased children & grandchildren, we have lost ALL.

MOO

Swabby

Blood is thicker than water!
The legislation in question doesn't address 'looking after the best interests' of anyone. It deals with preventing profit from crime and assigning monetary responsibility.

We have only lost all when we lose the capacity to actually care about one another, family or foe.

5swab5

10-09-2008, 02:43 AM

The legislation in question doesn't address 'looking after the best interests' of anyone. It deals with preventing profit from crime and assigning monetary responsibility.

We have only lost all when we lose the capacity to actually care about one another, family or foe.

I know that.

I sometimes let my emotions get in the way of my keyboard.

BUT, we are both on the same keel(?).

I think when I truly lost it, was during the Shiavo case. When those poor parents were denied the dignity of taking care of a child the way they saw fit, EVEN THO her husband couldn't care less. He had "Moved ON X 3..." I got scared.

Blood is thicker than water.

Sorry..I digress...My apologies.

Neither Linda NOR I will EVER give up! Michelle & Rylan are our babies. We have to keep going, no matter the journey.

MOO

Swabby

Kat4Eagles

10-09-2008, 10:46 AM

Welcome back!!!

Same here, welcome back A/E!!!!!!!!!!!

Morning !!

Time for a new thread sometime today?

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-09-2008, 10:51 AM

I know that.

I sometimes let my emotions get in the way of my keyboard.

BUT, we are both on the same keel(?).

I think when I truly lost it, was during the Shiavo case. When those poor parents were denied the dignity of taking care of a child the way they saw fit, EVEN THO her husband couldn't care less. He had "Moved ON X 3..." I got scared.

Blood is thicker than water.

Sorry..I digress...My apologies.

Neither Linda NOR I will EVER give up! Michelle & Rylan are our babies. We have to keep going, no matter the journey.

MOO

Swabby

anticipating your :thud:

I could not agree more with you about the Shiavo case and I did not follow it hardly at all, but her parents should have trumped her crummy husband.

:(
Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-09-2008, 10:55 AM

Thanks :D

Anything new in this case?

Not really, every once in awhile we think of something new.!!!

I forget if we ever got an answer for this, but wasn't Fri the 3rd, the day Michelle's body was found, a trash day for the residents of Enchanted Oaks?

I think someone posted it was.

I wonder if any trash was put out at 5108 Birchleaf..and whether the trash men were questioned, and if any of the trash disposal places were searched.

:confused:

Kat

HI_CYCLE

10-09-2008, 01:48 PM

You are obviously misinformed.

True the SOL is 2 years in NC. However, there is plenty of case law that allowed a WD suit after that time. If death of the victim is discovered, the SOL is not tilled on account of fraudulent concealment of the perpetrator. NC courts have recognized that defendant may rely upon SOL as a defensive shield against "stale" claims, but may be estopped from using a SOL as a 'sword', so as to unjustly benefit from his own conduct which would induce the plaintiff to delay a suit.

Having said this, I believe the Fisher's will file suit before the 2 year SOL and it will be promptly continued until the criminal proceeding is concluded.
I am going to surprise you and state unequivocally that Jason,Linda and Cassidy should be able to file a WDS in the event the murderer is arrested and convicted. This in my opinion will prevent the person or person`s responsible for Michelle`s death from making any money off of her death. AMOO:patriot:

alter ego

10-09-2008, 03:17 PM

Keep hanging onto that dusty, crusty hangnail of yours, "he hasn't been arrested yet, therefore he is innocent".

Let me know how that works for you after we put a simple case before the good citizens of N.C.!

MOO

Swabby
Sorry to disappoint you, but I have no hangnail.

And I didn't say "he hasn't been arrested yet, therefore he is innocent". I said I was confident a GJ indictment had not been handed down and was sealed. :read:

If this was such a simple case, it would have been solved by now, don't cha think?

alter ego

10-09-2008, 03:26 PM

I really don't care what you think because you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Read the case law. There are numerous NC cases where a court allowed a WD suit far beyond the 2 year SOL.
One case in particular involved the defendent's conceleament of his involvement in a murder.

Edward Friedland vs Marion Gates 3-26-96 WD suit

Please link to the original filing of the WD suit.

And a current case since you claim there are 'numerous' ones.

TIA.

alter ego

10-09-2008, 03:30 PM

alter ego

10-09-2008, 04:34 PM

[QUOTE=Reinya;12256831]

The report is part of the investigative file and not released to the public. Sorry you were unaware of that.

Livor shifts when a body is repositioned.
Good grief. I still can't believe you actually don't believe that.
Livor becomes fixed within 8-10 hours.

Sorry you were unaware of that.

alter ego

10-09-2008, 05:14 PM

JY's criminal case is right around the corner.
In case you were not aware, civil cases in Wake County take many months to show on the docket and are often continued many times until they are finally heard. The criminal action will occur before that time so it will effectively be 'continued' until the criminal trial concludes.
Right around the corner, huh.

In case you were not aware, civil cases appear when they are filed because money has to be paid and that has to be recorded :read:

Perhaps you are unaware that only the the personal representative of a decedent can file a wrongful death suit.

alter ego

10-09-2008, 05:50 PM

I already posted a link where forensic pathologist, Dr Toskos said livor can take up 18-24 hours to become 'fixed'.

Livor is influenced by ambient temperature. It was cold that day and the heat was not working. I guess you were unaware of that ?
Scott Wagner says otherwise. (http://books.google.com/books?id=C0pSbACfZrgC&pg=PT25&lpg=PT25&dq=%22livor+mortis%22+fixed&source=web&ots=EsMLklc0RD&sig=aKNWzGEhS3kPkZfpUzjB1uD01m4&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#PPT25,M1)

as does Jay Dix and Michael Graham (http://books.google.com/books?id=qxO3Z0um6WMC&pg=PA4&lpg=PA4&dq=%22livor+mortis%22+fixed&source=web&ots=MGZy6PDgZW&sig=HBAfPBL1wUbCsavER3KsB9sbTA0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result)

as does Cyril Wecht (http://www.courttv.com/trials/binion/documents/wecht_doc.html)

The heat downstairs was working and heat rises. I guess you were unaware of that?

alter ego

10-09-2008, 05:53 PM

Did I say the case would not 'appear' as filed or recorded ?
I simply said it will take months for the case to make it to a courtroom.

Before filing her WR suit, Linda Fisher can easily petition the court to remove JY as PR of MY's estate.

Perhaps you were unaware of that ?
I'm not sure what you said as you seem to be going in circles.

No, she cannot 'easily' do any such thing.

Obviously you are unaware of that and insist on just making stuff up as you go.

alter ego

10-09-2008, 06:41 PM

This large house had a duel system for a reason.
The upstairs heat was not working and it was cold upstairs.
Cold temps cause the fixation of livor to be delayed.
That is a fact that your pathologist bud's would agree on.:lol:Heat rises and no amount of your spinning will change that fact.

It certainly wasn't at freezing temps upstairs or so cold as to be uncomfortable to sleep in or cause concern for a 2yo to be exposed to the coldness.

BTW, what was the temp upstairs again? Did it get warmer as the day progressed? And what is rate that fixation is slowed by degree of temp drop again?

5swab5

10-09-2008, 06:41 PM

Dr. Cyril Wecht (quoted by AE as a credible source)

77 year old Dr Wecht was accused and tried for using his pubic office for private gain and of defrauding clients.
The famous pathologist is charged with 41 counts of fraud and theft.

How the mighty have fallen. Henry Lee is a joke today too.

MOO

Swabby

annalyzer

10-09-2008, 06:42 PM

alter ego

10-09-2008, 06:49 PM

Dr. Cyril Wecht (quoted by AE as a credible source)

77 year old Dr Wecht was accused and tried for using his pubic office for private gain and of defrauding clients.
The famous pathologist is charged with 41 counts of fraud and theft.
He wasn't accused of not knowing how livor mortis sets in or fixates.

:rolleyes:

Kat4Eagles

10-09-2008, 08:09 PM

somewhat OT, sorry!!

The murder in Benson I linked here yesterday turned out to be a son killing their Mom, *thank you to the person who sent it to me."
Now there is another one, a man in Mebane, NC, shot his pregnant wife in the stomach, he has been arrested, and in the Cooper case, there is a story that Brad's statements are full of inconsistencies.

All 3 stories are at WRAL.

What is happening in NC?

Kat

annalyzer

10-09-2008, 08:57 PM

annalyzer

10-09-2008, 09:33 PM

I had the same feeling, but I don't know if they arrested the son or not. Not a case that interests me. I want the perp who murdered Michelle & Rylan arrested, and it can't come soon enough. It's beyond time - the DA needs to assess the case and get the process going.

I just looked it up. Yes he has been arrested.

Back on topic, yes I too want the monster that killed Michelle arrested and put away for life.

Kat4Eagles

10-09-2008, 11:41 PM

I just looked it up. Yes he has been arrested.

Back on topic, yes I too want the monster that killed Michelle arrested and put away for life.

Could be 2 monsters, Annalyzer.

People don't go around walking on pillows with 2 different shoes when they could just take the pillow.

I don't know why the 2 killer theory is so hard to grasp..

:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-09-2008, 11:44 PM

And your point is ?
Should we dig up the hourly crime news from Philly ?
I guess that would be somewhat OT.

I think if you look at the header of my posting, Bud, you will see

it said OT.

Hope this helps.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-09-2008, 11:45 PM

Right around the corner, huh.

In case you were not aware, civil cases appear when they are filed because money has to be paid and that has to be recorded :read:

Perhaps you are unaware that only the the personal representative of a decedent can file a wrongful death suit.

Right around the imminent corner.........A/E..

:lol:

Kat

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 10:17 AM

It's not Jason's "choice" to be involved in a civil trial.
He can and most likely will be sued by the Fisher's.
The only way he can avoid a civil trial is to concede he was liable for Michelle's death.LF will NOT sue in a WDS. I am sure you have tried a million times to talk her into filing, maybe even promised to guide her and fully support her through every step. NOPE!!!!! She wants NO part of you and your imaginary inside information. Why would an innocent man "concede he was liable for Michelle's death."?
NEWS FLASH !!!!! Jason Young is innocent and LE knows it.

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 10:17 AM

The experts wouldn't agree on that because it isn't true.
Michelle wasn't found in the front yard of her igloo and room temperature would not affect the pull of gravity. :read:
YW.

:biggrin:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 10:20 AM

The two different-sized shoe prints on the same pillow and the posterior livor are the twin elephants some are wishing will disappear from discussion. More than probable is that one or the other or both are the reason for no arrest of JY.

Or if there is more video of Jay at a later time at the Hampton that nite, or earlier the next am.

I think the timeline could be getting scrunched even more.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 10:24 AM

It's not Jason's "choice" to be involved in a civil trial.
He can and most likely will be sued by the Fisher's.
The only way he can avoid a civil trial is to concede he was liable for Michelle's death.

No one is going to concede anything after 2 years.

And, if the civil suit is going to be filed, there are 22 days left.

Tick, tock.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 10:27 AM

Doggone it! I feel like a hockey puck--back and forth,
back and forth. Can I be VP?

The killers left the prints on the pillow
deliberately to confuse the cops but how could they know
the shoes could be linked to Jason via a shoe store receipt
so they would have to leave the shoes in the closet which would make
no sense either.

So maybe the killers left the prints accidentally
without realizing their importance because the killers are
amateurs who panicked and ran quickly after the crime
except someone seemed to clean up afterward and did not panic.

By the way, I heard that Michelle slept with a pillow between
her knees and this might be the pillow with the prints....not that it matters.

==Kingcole

Interesting, KC......

Could be even more than 2 people?

The cleanup crew?, hmmmm.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 10:28 AM

LF will NOT sue in a WDS. I am sure you have tried a million times to talk her into filing, maybe even promised to guide her and fully support her through every step. NOPE!!!!! She wants NO part of you and your imaginary inside information. Why would an innocent man "concede he was liable for Michelle's death."?
NEWS FLASH !!!!! Jason Young is innocent and LE knows it.

:beer:

Kat

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 10:35 AM

The NC law clearly says a defendant cannot use the SOL or personal representative status as a 'sword', so as to unjustly benefit from his conduct. Furthermore, the Fisher's can easily petition the court to remove JY as the 'personal representative' of Michelle's estate. If jason wants to fight that battle, I'm sure the Fisher's lawyers would welcome it.

DID you read the NEWS FLASH???? The Fishers know JY did NOT murder their daughter and the DA has refused to give them any information to assist with filing a WDS. Give it up!!!!

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 10:45 AM

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 10:53 AM

LF met with the DA early July in his office, shortly after a SW was issued that remains sealed to this day.I wonder what kind of false information was given to LF by an obsessed poster,who suggested to LF to get the information to the DA?? The DA now knows the info was false, but having fell for it,knows it will only make the WCSO and the DA look foolish and they are pleading for it to remain sealed. No doubt in my mind it is pointing at JY but oops another DUD!!!!!
I have a feeling the DA is through with serving SW`s on what they now realize are false leads.
MOO
:patriot:

There is something so strange with the fact that if someone really

thought someone killed their daughter, they would just continue to let

their granddaughter continue to live with that person, and not try to

fight it, not try to get any emergency hearings on custody or viistation rights. !!

2 years!!!!!!!!!

There is something so weird about this, it makes absolutely no sense.

Who is hiding what, and why?

:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 11:01 AM

LF met with the DA early July in his office, shortly after a SW was issued that remains sealed to this day.I wonder what kind of false information was given to LF by an obsessed poster,who suggested to LF to get the information to the DA?? The DA now knows the info was false, but having fell for it,knows it will only make the WCSO and the DA look foolish and they are pleading for it to remain sealed. No doubt in my mind it is pointing at JY but oops another DUD!!!!!
I have a feeling the DA is through with serving SW`s on what they now realize are false leads.
MOO
:patriot:

Or, the next unsealed warrant could completely go in another direction, for all we know....

But, it is these next 3 weeks that are crucial to the case.

With all that has been posted here, posters asserting charges of previous murder attempts, numerous affairs,trying to prove that the Young marriage was forced, unhappy, and in financial ruins, what became of all that?

:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 11:04 AM

And you know LF met with the DA in early July how ?

The Sealed Search warrant was executed 7-5-07 HC, not 2008.
Maybe you need to read up on the case facts.

We know that LF met up with LE during the
Lady Bug festival of this year.

I would hope that they have met ot talked since then.

:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 11:10 AM

The only person in this case 'hiding something' is jason young.
Everyone else surrounding the case has talked extensively with LE.

Good question though.
What is he hiding and why is he hiding it ?

"We" don't know that..

Jay submitted to all the testings that were ordered, told them he was in Hillsville, and must have had the receipt to back it up..("we" know he did)

It is not up to him to prove he did not kill Michelle.

That is not the way the law works.

Only if and when charges were brought against him, would he be forced to defend himself.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 11:11 AM

Anyone want to start a new thread for the weekend?

Kat

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 11:13 AM

And you know LF met with the DA in early July how ?

The Sealed Search warrant was executed 7-5-07 HC, not 2008.
Maybe you need to read up on the case facts.Where is it written 2008? Not by me.

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 11:19 AM

Anyone want to start a new thread for the weekend?

Kat

:cough:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 11:25 AM

You missed the point.
I simply responded to your question "Who is hiding what, and why?"
EVERYONE except JY has cooperated extensively with LE.
The only that has refused to cooperated from day one is JY.
(exception was the mandatory court ordered NTO )

EVERYONE except the killers who murdered Michelle while

Jay was miles, and miles,and hours, and hours,

away.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 11:34 AM

Fair enough. At least you are eliminating MF since she has cooperated extensively with LE from day one.

Who mentioned MF?

And, how would I know what story she told LE?

:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 11:57 AM

Nobody here knows what she told LE or the DA during her many conversations. Again, you missed the point.
I was simply pointing out to you she and everyone else has cooperated and JY has not.

So I take it from your latest post you think MF was one of the killers , and not "jay" cause he was "miles and miles and hours and hours away" ?

I am taking L E at their words, that they are
"Looking at anyone and everyone close to Michelle"

They have said nothing differently.

This case is not solved, it is about 22 days away from going
into the cold case files, unless there is something that brings
new life into it.......soon.

Kat

5swab5

10-10-2008, 12:01 PM

EVERYONE except the killers who murdered Michelle while

Jay was miles, and miles,and hours, and hours,

away.

Kat

There is NO proof that Jason was miles and miles away from Birchleaf while Michelle and Rylan were losing their lives.

MOO

Swabby

But there is plenty of proof that he couldn't care less what happened to them.

5swab5

10-10-2008, 12:06 PM

(snipped)
This case is not solved, it is about 22 days away from going
into the cold case files, unless there is something that brings
new life into it.......soon.

Kat

No murder investigation that is in the hands of the DA is going into any "cold case" file anytime soon.

Just more wishful thinking on your part.

MOO

Swabby

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 12:06 PM

There is NO proof that Jason was miles and miles away from Birchleaf while Michelle and Rylan were losing their lives.

MOO

Swabby

But there is plenty of proof that he couldn't care less what happened to them.Sure there is proof,if NOT he would have been arrested long time ago. The fact he has not been arrested speaks for itself.

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 12:12 PM

That statement by LE was in early 2007, some 20 months ago.
Have you heard them repeat that since then ?

So it is your opinion a case is 'cold' just because there is no arrest within 2 years ? Better tell the detectives and the DA cause they obviously don't share your opinion.Are you sure it has not been turn over to cold case files?? When is the last time any investigation on this case? Have you, with all your inside info, heard talk of any? I don`t think so,that is why you have turn the conversation to WDS. Changing the topic does NOT change this is an unsolved case and without a confession there is nothing else to investigate. FACT..

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 12:15 PM

No murder investigation that is in the hands of the DA is going into any "cold case" file anytime soon.

Just more wishful thinking on your part.

MOO

Swabby

I don't agree, very few forums are even keeping this case going anymore, besides here, and we have lost lots of posters and have not generated much interest with all the arguing that still goes on.

It is only a few of us diehard posters who have remained....

And,even that remains to be seen of how much longer without
something breaking soon.

:shrug:

Kat

sonya

10-10-2008, 12:15 PM

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 12:18 PM

Being seen on video outside his room w/ no key record of re-entry is certainly no proof he did not leave the hotel.

Please don't pretend to know why the DA has not yet indicted Jason Young.

Therefore, please don't pretend to know that the DA will seek an indictment soon, against Jay.

Oops, I mean imminently.

Kat

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 12:19 PM

Being seen on video outside his room w/ no key record of re-entry is certainly no proof he did not leave the hotel.

Please don't pretend to know why the DA has not yet indicted Jason Young.Would I pretend with you?????????? Naaaaaaa.
Maybe you can tell us what your insiders says about NOTHING left to investigate... Changing the topic did NOT catch on like you thought it would, did it?? LMBO:patriot:

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 12:23 PM

Yes, I am sure it has not been moved to 'cold case'
The SBI and WCSO work on the case every day.
The WD topic came up because of the approaching SOL.
Who changed the topic ?
Who said the case is 'solved' ?
You are the only one that thinks there is nothing else to investigate.
WRONG!!!!!!:lol:

sonya

10-10-2008, 12:26 PM

I don't agree, very few forums are even keeping this case going anymore, besides here, and we have lost lots of posters and have not generated much interest with all the arguing that still goes on.

It is only a few of us diehard posters who have remained....

And,even that remains to be seen of how much longer without
something breaking soon.

:shrug:

Kat

I am fairly certain that the loss of posters on this forum has NOTHING to do with the case having gone cold, in fact those posters are alive and well and posting on other Michelle Young forums as we speak, err..type. Those are the ORIGINAL true posters in this case, btw, the TRUE diehard posters. :biggrin:

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 12:28 PM

SNIPPED from kat4eagles post:
"This case is not solved, it is about 22 days away from going
into the cold case files, unless there is something that brings
new life into it.......soon."Kat

:no:

Since when does an active, open murder case become a "cold case" after two years of LE investigating it ? Are you now somehow the spokesperson for Wake Co. Sheriff ? You are too much, if you really know (first hand, that is) that the Sheriff in NC is filing this murder case in the cold case file, I would appreciate a link stating so. TIA :lol:

Who is going to keep the case alive here?

I am talking about the Boards cold case files that CW has said she may add this to.

But, as long as you mentioned it,gosh, when was the last time you saw anything on cable news covering it?

Dan Abrams?
Catherine Crier?
Nancy Grace?
Geraldo Riveria?
Beth Karras?
Greta did a 5 piece segment when the s/w's were released.

Any follow ups, any news crews around?

Oh yeah, the NC WANTED trolling pics !!

Well, here's another clue.

Trolling is not even the right terminology.

And, guys don't try to hook up with someone in their first email talking about having another kid !!

Boy, is that a good pick~ up line, sucks them in like a Hoover.

Here is a pic of me and my kid, who looks kind of cranky, and oh, yeah,

by the way, I want another one, so email me back and we can set up a

romantic afternoon at Chuck E Cheese's, followed by a trip to ToysRUs,

and then after the candy cotton and M&M's wear off, we can see if

there is something between us to build on!!

:lol:

Kat

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 12:29 PM

I don't pretend to know anything.
I DO KNOW there will not be an arrest this month.Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, now we find something to agree on.

sonya

10-10-2008, 12:29 PM

I don't pretend to know anything.
I DO KNOW there will not be an arrest this month.

Hi Arwen, can you divulge ? :patriot:

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 12:33 PM

Hi Arwen, can you divulge ? :patriot:
Oh, please do Arwen, pretty please.:patriot:

sonya

10-10-2008, 12:35 PM

Oh, please do Arwen, pretty please.:patriot:

pffttt ! lame, at best on your part HC

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 12:36 PM

Oh, please do Arwen, pretty please.:patriot:

"Trolling "is a game about identity deception, Hi ~C, didn't you know that?

:biggrin:

Kat

sonya

10-10-2008, 12:36 PM

sonya, check PM.
thanks !! :beer:

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 12:38 PM

sonya, check PM.:lol: Thought so.:patriot:

sonya

10-10-2008, 12:39 PM

Why? because they all think Jason killed Michelle? Is that the only requirement to be a diehard poster on this case? I disagree with you. People who are on the fence or think Jason is innocent still post here and have been diehard posters about this case. The only difference is some have managed to not violate TOS and get banned and others learned from their banning. The ones who have to post elsewhere obviously didn't learn from their bannings.

Perhaps you should have waited for my answer to your original question, before you ran with what you hoped would be my answer and gave your little speech. In my opinion, a true "diehard" (kats word) poster on this forum is someone who genuinely cares about the victim and all who loved her, plain and simple. Not, by any means the rude, obnoxious type of poster who only kept from being banned because they whined to the mod and complained to the point of distraction for CW, who then banned the wrong posters.

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 12:43 PM

"Trolling "is a game about identity deception, Hi ~C, didn't you know that?

:biggrin:

Kat:beer: Yep, i agree.

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 12:47 PM

thanks !!

:cool: Cool, do you have a new date? :cool:

I have my day planner out.

I have some time available after football season, baseball playoffs, and the World Series and SuperBowl.

Have your people call my people.

Thanxxxx.
:)
Kat

5swab5

10-10-2008, 12:49 PM

(snipped)
Trolling is not even the right terminology.

And, guys don't try to hook up with someone in their first email talking about having another kid !!

(snipped)
Kat

Jason did.

MOO

Swabby

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 12:50 PM

Perhaps you should have waited for my answer to your original question, before you ran with what you hoped would be my answer and gave your little speech. In my opinion, a true "diehard" (kats word) poster on this forum is someone who genuinely cares about the victim and all who loved her, plain and simple. Not, by any means the rude, obnoxious type of poster who only kept from being banned because they whined to the mod and complained to the point of distraction for CW, who then banned the wrong posters.IMO, any one who claims to care or love Michelle,would NEVER say the things and DO the things that have been done to destroy the life of the man she chose to love,marry and father her children. You can say different all day but all one has to do is visit the open board that is home to the biggest hypocrite's that post nothing but hate about her husband. Love???? Care???? I don`t think so...

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 12:58 PM

Jason did.

MOO

Swabby

I can't guarantee who wrote that, but the innocence that someone would have to have to put that out there for all the world to see, wow.!!

Doesn't sound too much like the party~hearty boy that has been portrayed here, does it?

:shrug:
Kat

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 01:04 PM

The same can be said of the people who constantly denigrate Meredith, Michelle's sister, whom she loved dearly. You do NOT know how she felt about her sister. She chose her husband, not her sister. Meredith, denigrated,if that is what you want to call it, herself, with her postings on the open internet.

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 01:07 PM

Calm down HC, you seem really upset.

I know of a private board but don't know of the 'open board' that is home to the biggest hypocrite that posts nothing but hate about her husband. Can you post a link ?Could but want,not worth typing.You are just proving my point about being a hypocrite.
Upset? NOT!! Truthful, yes......

lilismom

10-10-2008, 01:07 PM

Why? because they all think Jason killed Michelle? Is that the only requirement to be a diehard poster on this case? I disagree with you. People who are on the fence or think Jason is innocent still post here and have been diehard posters about this case. The only difference is some have managed to not violate TOS and get banned and others learned from their banning. The ones who have to post elsewhere obviously didn't learn from their bannings.

What is the lesson to be learned from bannings?

I think people choose not to post here. They don't HAVE to post elsewhere. As we've seen time and again here, you can come back with a shiny new coat, if you choose to. :)

IMO,
Lilismom

sonya

10-10-2008, 01:08 PM

Cool, do you have a new date?
I have my day planner out.I have some time available after football season, baseball playoffs, and the World Series and SuperBowl.Have your people call my people.Thanxxxx.Kat
************

I told you the other day, no one has promised you anything, and I might add this is hardly the forum for your "jokes" about the dead. hammer

5swab5

10-10-2008, 01:08 PM

IMO, any one who claims to care or love Michelle,would NEVER say the things and DO the things that have been done to destroy the life of the man she chose to love,marry and father her children. You can say different all day but all one has to do is visit the open board that is home to the biggest hypocrite's that post nothing but hate about her husband. Love???? Care???? I don`t think so...

Many women marry and have children with a man that they later find out they are not compatible with, and no shame in that. That is why the divorce rate in this Country is so high.

But from time to time you have a Scott Peterson, Justin Barber, Perry March, or Stephen Grant who would rather roll the dice on murder, than pay alimony, child support, lose ½ their assets, or custody of their children.

No one put such high standards on Michelle in life, that she couldn't have chosen the wrong husband, no need to try and pin that on her after she is dead.

MOO

Swabby

sonya

10-10-2008, 01:10 PM

5swab5

10-10-2008, 01:11 PM

(snipped)
Doesn't sound too much like the party~hearty boy that has been portrayed here, does it?

:shrug:
Kat

To me it does.

That's the BS artist in him, that has a few still fooled.

MOO

Swabby

sonya

10-10-2008, 01:13 PM

I can't guarantee who wrote that, but the innocence that someone would have to have to put that out there for all the world to see, wow.!!Doesn't sound too much like the party~hearty boy that has been portrayed here, does it?Kat
***********

To me it sounds JUST like the "party~hearty boy", actually, it substantiates EVERYTHING I've read about his activities. Just that photo of him and Cassidy that I find troubling, he is so menacing looking in it, and she is so scared, very sad !!! :chicken:

sonya

10-10-2008, 01:19 PM

Oh I'm sorry. Did you miss the question marks at the end of some of the sentences?

CW recognized who the "rude, obnoxious type" posters were and banned them appropriately. She's been doing this job for a long time and she does it very well. It's not her fault that those posters claim to care about the victim and all who loved her and just knew Jason was the killer.

Perhaps if they'd learned from their bannings they could still post here but sadly that didn't happen. And I still disagree with you about what makes a diehard poster. We don't have to become emotionally attached to the people involved to be diehard. Some of us are interested in the laws that are involved with this and other cases. Too bad some of the JDI's can't understand that.

Oh, I see, now you are spokesperson for CW, and you KNOW all the posters that were banned and why, huh ? Doubt it very seriously. And, obviously any poster who is here for the RIGHT reasons and doesn't agree with you makes that list. What about the posters (JII's) who "just know" Meredith is the killer, aren't they going to be banned Mr. Moderator ?

5swab5

10-10-2008, 01:19 PM

You do NOT know how she felt about her sister. She chose her husband, not her sister. Meredith, denigrated,if that is what you want to call it, herself, with her postings on the open internet.

You do not know how she felt about Jason in November of '06. Since he managed to neglect to get her an Anniversary present on time-geeze, he only had a year to get one. I doubt everything in that house was all "peachy keen", even if she did not know about MM.

MOO

Swabby

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 01:21 PM

Many women marry and have children with a man that they later find out they are not compatible with, and no shame in that. That is why the divorce rate in this Country is so high.

But from time to time you have a Scott Peterson, Justin Barber, Perry March, or Stephen Grant who would rather roll the dice on murder, than pay alimony, child support, lose ½ their assets, or custody of their children.

No one put such high standards on Michelle in life, that she couldn't have chosen the wrong husband, no need to try and pin that on her after she is dead.

MOO

SwabbyAnd....... No reason to believe she regretted her decision in her choice of a husband. Only rumors by the JDI to make him look like a bad guy and even that has turned out to make them look like the Jason hater`s they are. NOTHING, has been proven he didn`t love Michelle or that Michelle did not love Jason. Rumors,you know the dirtiest and most destructive word in the dictionary.:patriot:

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 01:27 PM

And, you do NOT know how she felt about her husband after several years of marriage. Do not pretend you do, because it is falling on deaf eyes here. Meredith did not denigrate herself, it was posters like you that wouldn't give a mourning sister the least iota of privacy that pulled those posts from the 'net. Some of them were never verified to be Meredith Fisher postings. :no:OK,;);) feel Better?

5swab5

10-10-2008, 01:31 PM

And....... No reason to believe she regretted her decision in her choice of a husband. Only rumors by the JDI to make him look like a bad guy and even that has turned out to make them look like the Jason hater`s they are. NOTHING, has been proven he didn`t love Michelle or that Michelle did not love Jason. Rumors,you know the dirtiest and most destructive word in the dictionary.:patriot:

Even if only half of what we have learned about his relationship with Michelle is true and you can't see how disrespectful he was of her in life, then I understand how you can neglect his complete disrespect of her and Rylan after their deaths.

MOO

Swabby

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 01:31 PM

Where I come from, a woman that discovered her husband carried on a 3 month affair with her best friend, would usually come to regret her decision in her choice of a husband.

Hope that helps :shrug:RUMORS!!!!:patriot:

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 01:32 PM

************

I told you the other day, no one has promised you anything, and I might add this is hardly the forum for your "jokes" about the dead. hammer

:no:

........but using the h a m m er~icon for someone who was brutally bludgeoned to death is much more appropriate here.....

:rolleyes:

Kat

sonya

10-10-2008, 01:33 PM

I don't need to be a spokesperson for CW to see that she does her job well. She has posted about atleast 1 specific poster so yes, we know of atleast 1.

If the JII's who just know Meredith is the killer don't violate TOS then why should they be banned? And just for the record there are some posters here who don't agree with me that are polite and don't violate TOS. They've managed to not get banned so that blows the claims that JDI's get banned for being JDI's.

Why is it a violation of TOS to think Jason killed Michelle ? All the facts that have been made public by LE point directly to Jason Young. As for acceptable behavior on this board, what is so OK about being constantly degrading, rude, taunting etc. on this board that people like yourself have not been banned ? :shrug:

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 01:34 PM

Even if only half of what we have learned about his relationship with Michelle is true and you can't see how disrespectful he was of her in life, then I understand how you can neglect his complete disrespect of her and Rylan after their deaths.

MOO

SwabbyHow about 0 %....

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 01:34 PM

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 01:37 PM

You do not know how she felt about Jason in November of '06. Since he managed to neglect to get her an Anniversary present on time-geeze, he only had a year to get one. I doubt everything in that house was all "peachy keen", even if she did not know about MM.

MOO

Swabby

You think Michelle loved Jason enough to want to have another child with him?

Umm, do you think that could be why she was pregnant again?

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 01:38 PM

sonya

10-10-2008, 01:39 PM

:no:........but using the h a m m er~icon for someone who was brutally bludgeoned to death is much more appropriate here.....Kat
*****

I am not under any circumstance using the hammer icon "for someone who was brutally bludgeoned to death", and I would thank you to refrain from misrepresenting my posts or my intent. The icon is here for the using, and some posters NEED to have some things told to them over and over and over and over. The icon was intended to convey my point to YOU. I really do not appreciate your comment Kat, you couldn't be more WRONG with that post of yours and I would think you would know better than to post such an outrageous line. What is going on with you ?:no:

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 01:39 PM

Husbands around the world have forgotten to get their wives anniversary gifts. That doesn't prove neglect or lack of love on Michelle or Jason's parts.
A coach purse is a pretty high ticket gift, Maybe Michelle requested her anniversary and Christmas gift be combined so she could have the Coach handbag. I can see that easily happening and the timing would be right. No, to simple? You see, sometimes things in life that appear complicated, turn out to be so simple.

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 01:41 PM

RUMORS!!!!:patriot:

Now, Michelle knew about MM,..:rolleyes:

One day she knows, the next she doesn't.

And, what was there to know?

Couldn't be all that, or there would be all these MM posters defending her honor and blaming Jason.

:shrug:

Kat

NEW THREAD, someone, please!

lilismom

10-10-2008, 01:43 PM

Many women marry and have children with a man that they later find out they are not compatible with, and no shame in that. That is why the divorce rate in this Country is so high.

But from time to time you have a Scott Peterson, Justin Barber, Perry March, or Stephen Grant who would rather roll the dice on murder, than pay alimony, child support, lose ½ their assets, or custody of their children.

No one put such high standards on Michelle in life, that she couldn't have chosen the wrong husband, no need to try and pin that on her after she is dead.

MOO

Swabby

Well said Swabby.

I didn't know Michelle but I feel like being a good mother to her children was her top priority. Everything else came second. Sometimes things get put on the back burner. Life's hassles, the bills, the marriage, the whatever. Time goes by in a blink. Sometimes you wish you did things different. Sometimes when you look at your child's face you say, this is what is important, this is why I'm here, this is my life now. You can see it on her face in her pictures with CY. She loves her with all of her heart and soul. The video of her with CY is heartbreaking. "I love you mommy". :(

Someone should pay for taking that away from her. I pray that someday they will.

IMO,
Lilismom

5swab5

10-10-2008, 01:44 PM

How about 0 %....

So am I now supposed to add family and friends to that LONG list of coconspirators that are trying to frame sweet, innocent Jason for a double murder?

No Thanks.

MOO

Swabby

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 01:47 PM

Ok, you are right, I should not have said 'affair'.
I should have used the factual terms "romantic relationship".
RUMOR.......................:patriot:

5swab5

10-10-2008, 01:51 PM

Oh, but they were, all of them.

Every single one of them.

Hope this helps.

Kat

First of all, Meredith's comments were from a long time ago, in relation to the time of Michelle's death and NONE of them ever said a word about her having ANY problems with Michelle.

Second of all, Jason's "thing" with Michelle Money is in much more close proximity to the time that Michelle & Rylan were murdered, yet he gets a "so what" pass?

What a double standard.

MOO

Swabby

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 01:52 PM

Well said Swabby.

I didn't know Michelle but I feel like being a good mother to her children was her top priority. Everything else came second. Sometimes things get put on the back burner. Life's hassles, the bills, the marriage, the whatever. Time goes by in a blink. Sometimes you wish you did things different. Sometimes when you look at your child's face you say, this is what is important, this is why I'm here, this is my life now. You can see it on her face in her pictures with CY. She loves her with all of her heart and soul. The video of her with CY is heartbreaking. "I love you mommy". :(

Someone should pay for taking that away from her. I pray that someday they will.

IMO,
LilismomI agree 100%,that the person or person`s who murdered this beautiful pregnant,wife and mother is caught and never to see the light of day again. Who ever it turns out to be,but I want the real MURDERER...:beer:

5swab5

10-10-2008, 01:54 PM

You think Michelle loved Jason enough to want to have another child with him?

Umm, do you think that could be why she was pregnant again?

Kat

You DO NOT know the circumstances under which Michelle got pregnant!

Until you have personally looked into his eyes, you have NO idea what he is capable of.

MOO

Swabby

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 01:56 PM

So am I now supposed to add family and friends to that LONG list of coconspirators that are trying to frame sweet, innocent Jason for a double murder?

No Thanks.

MOO

Swabby
CO-conspirator's? Just a bunch on a message board who would NOT know Jason or Michelle if they had passed them on the street before her death.

5swab5

10-10-2008, 01:58 PM

A coach purse is a pretty high ticket gift, Maybe Michelle requested her anniversary and Christmas gift be combined so she could have the Coach handbag. I can see that easily happening and the timing would be right. No, to simple? You see, sometimes things in life that appear complicated, turn out to be so simple.

In the beginning it was an Anniversary present, then when sleuths found out that the Anniversary had come and gone, it morphed into a Christmas present.

Just more twist and shout.

MOO

Swabby

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 02:02 PM

Ok, you are right, I should not have said 'affair'.
I should have used the factual terms "romantic relationship".

It was only reported that MM and Jason were communicating for 3 months before the murder.

Kinda hard to have a relationship when one lives in NC and the other in Fla.

But, hey, maybe they were "trolling" together.

:biggrin:

Kat

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 02:02 PM

lilismom

10-10-2008, 02:03 PM

Are you suggesting Jason forced Michelle to get pregnant? That would be called rape and I doubt Michelle would have sat there quietly not once, but twice, after her husband forced her to get pregnant. :rolleyes:

I'll let Swabby defend herself. But I would like to add....

Have you never known a bad marriage that produced a second or third child?

Maybe there was a lot of makeup/breakup in their household. Maybe she decided to just stick it out and make it work for the sake of her child. Maybe it wasn't all bad, all the time. Maybe they didn't believe in birth control. Maybe it was a weak moment at the right time of the month. Maybe it was a good day at the right time of the month.

:shrug:

IMO,
Lilismom

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 02:05 PM

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 02:07 PM

In the beginning it was an Anniversary present, then when sleuths found out that the Anniversary had come and gone, it morphed into a Christmas present.

Just more twist and shout.

MOO

SwabbyNo,just a possibility that makes perfect sense to me. Nothing complicated, just a very simple suggestion.I guess not having all that higher education,i have to depend on my common sense. It`s worked for me for many,many years.;);)

lilismom

10-10-2008, 02:08 PM

No,just a possibility that makes perfect sense to me. Nothing complicated, just a very simple suggestion.I guess not having all that higher education,i have to depend on my common sense. It`s worked for me for many,many years.;);)

And a jury will too. When and if someone is brought to trial.

IMO,
Lilismom

annalyzer

10-10-2008, 02:15 PM

snip~

The killers left the prints on the pillow
deliberately to confuse the cops but how could they know
the shoes could be linked to Jason via a shoe store receipt
so they would have to leave the shoes in the closet which would make
no sense either.

I'm not understanding this. Why would the killers have to leave the shoes in the closet? If the shoes turned out to be linked to Jason wouldn't he have worn or took the bloody shoes with him when he left the scene?

5swab5

10-10-2008, 02:18 PM

It was only reported that MM and Jason were communicating for 3 months before the murder.

Kinda hard to have a relationship when one lives in NC and the other in Fla.

(snipped)

Kat

There you go again, trying to rewrite history.

SM & MM were frequent visitors with the Youngs @ Birchleaf and in other social settings. Jason traveled to FL, LE confiscated MM's computer and interviewed her.

She told LE, friends and her husband, what had transpired. IF you want to continue to believe otherwise, go for it.

MOO

Swabby

HI_CYCLE

10-10-2008, 02:21 PM

I have started a new thread. Kat, can you email CW to lock this one. Thanks.

5swab5

10-10-2008, 02:21 PM

And no divorce in between. Obviously Michelle wanted the marriage and all of the pregnancies.

You have no way of knowing that.

Does the term therapist ring a bell?

MOO

Swabby

annalyzer

10-10-2008, 02:22 PM

DID you read the NEWS FLASH???? The Fishers know JY did NOT murder their daughter and the DA has refused to give them any information to assist with filing a WDS. Give it up!!!!

Since when?

lilismom

10-10-2008, 02:23 PM

And no divorce in between. Obviously Michelle wanted the marriage and all of the pregnancies.

She did want the marriage. She said I do after all. When did the honeymoon end though? I dunno. I know what I've read and what I choose to believe. Maybe it was in trouble. Maybe it wasn't. Maybe she did know about MM. Maybe she didn't. We may never know those answers.

The pregnancies, sure, once she found out she was pregnant. What was the alternative? Especially after a previous miscarriage. So yes, she wanted the pregnancies. But did she actively participate in trying to get pregnant again? Were they planning it? Maybe. Maybe she naively thought that it would smooth things at home. A new baby to bring joy to the house. Maybe she loved being a mother so much that she wanted another. Maybe she wanted another with her husband, so that he would be the father of both of her children. Maybe he was a good father and a lousy husband? Maybe she was making the best of a bad situation. Again, we may never know.

We might not, but the people who knew Michelle probably do.

IMO,
Lilismom

annalyzer

10-10-2008, 02:29 PM

Yes, I too remember seeing the photos of the sheriff and 2 detectives smiling and conversing with both Linda and Meredith in May 2008.

My question was to HC. She claimed to know LF met with the DA in early July. As far as I know, she does not know Linda or Becky.

I thought read a news article stating she did.

5swab5

10-10-2008, 02:38 PM

I thought read a news article stating she did.

I can't remember, but all meetings may not be publicized either

I'm sure that Linda is at their "beck and call".

Unlike the loving husband and father.

MOO

Swabby

annalyzer

10-10-2008, 02:47 PM

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 02:55 PM

I have started a new thread. Kat, can you email CW to lock this one. Thanks.

K,thank you, I will ask her.

C ya on new thread!!

:seeya:

Kat

annalyzer

10-10-2008, 02:58 PM

*****

I am not under any circumstance using the hammer icon "for someone who was brutally bludgeoned to death", and I would thank you to refrain from misrepresenting my posts or my intent. The icon is here for the using, and some posters NEED to have some things told to them over and over and over and over. The icon was intended to convey my point to YOU. I really do not appreciate your comment Kat, you couldn't be more WRONG with that post of yours and I would think you would know better than to post such an outrageous line. What is going on with you ?:no:

Someone posted a while back (I think it was Hillary?) that she thought it was very inappropiate to use the H a m m e r icon here because of the fact that Michelle had her head bashed in. Most of us have refrained from using it out of respect for Michelle.

5swab5

10-10-2008, 03:05 PM

Two glaring facts made available to the public do not point to Jason Young: two different-sized (one two-sizes too small) shoe prints and dark livor mortis on Michelle's posterior.

I find nothing odd at all about the extra shoe print.

This murder was planned, right down to the lame out of town hotel, a "swing by" Brevard, frequently checking voice mail, staged robbery, "falling plumb to the knees", call to SIL to retrieve a "document" off of the printer and getting a lawyer right off the bat.

An extra shoe print does not alarm me in the least.

I am seriously concerned however, that we have a thirty-something young male running around loose in this Country that seems to have his personal clothing just fall off and disappear.

MOO

Swabby

annalyzer

10-10-2008, 03:15 PM

It was the Lady Bug Memorial. There is a difference between a "Memorial" and a "Festival". If you haven't been able to discern the difference after all this time, I suggest you try google. Your disrespect is showing.

Hope that helps. Thanxxxxx! ;)

Festival ~ A regularly recurring occasion of religious feasting or special ceremonies.

5swab5

10-10-2008, 03:23 PM

A shoe print two-sizes too small and the posterior livor mortis seem to worry the DA a great deal, as it should. I guess it isn't illegal to have personal clothing disappear or maybe it just isn't evidence of murder? Ya think?

Don't know nuttin 'bout no "mortis", livor, rigor or otherwise.

I will leave that to the Pathologists posting here.MOO

Swabby

5swab5

10-10-2008, 03:26 PM

It was the Lady Bug Memorial. There is a difference between a "Memorial" and a "Festival". If you haven't been able to discern the difference after all this time, I suggest you try google. Your disrespect is showing.

Hope that helps. Thanxxxxx! ;)

It pains me to read that as well.
People from all over the world contributed, that didn't even know Michelle, yet their actions are continually belittled.

Sad Commentary!

MOO

Swabby

OTOH, Jason can do NOTHING and get a free pass! Mind boggling!

5swab5

10-10-2008, 03:38 PM

and you will continue to engage in your head-in-the-sand approach to a shoeprint two-sizes too small?

I wouldn't put ANYTHING past Jason Young!

Does that answer your question?

I hope so.

MOO

Swabby

annalyzer

10-10-2008, 03:44 PM

:shrug:

It was the Lady Bug Memorial. And still is. No matter how you wish to help Kat cloak her disrespect.

I wasn't trying to help anyone. You're making a big deal out of nothing.

5swab5

10-10-2008, 03:52 PM

Ah, yes, the Jason-and-only-Jason mindset requires you to ignore real evidence.

As opposed to anything and EVERYTHING that does point to Jason Lynn Young?

Laughable!

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

10-10-2008, 03:58 PM

Nothing in the autopsy report points away from JY as the killer.
This talk about livor means nothing other than some blood settled in her posterior after many hours on a metal gurney awaiting the Saturday am autopsy. This poster is trying to suggest that Meredith turned the corpse on her back after the murder and then for some reason turned her to her stomach after about 8+ hours.

Yes, I know, the theory is preposterous.

Many know that.

What is of interest to me, is the way that people that don't even know Jason will twist or ignore KNOWN facts in their support of him.

Strange, if you ask me.

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

10-10-2008, 04:00 PM

Howdy, swab. Geeze, you know, you really oughta go
back and check with your buds about the gift...
about it being late and all. Oh...while you're there,
ask how many gifts? Peachy keen.

==Kingcole

I'm sorry,

Perhaps you would now like to call JTF a liar too?

WHEN will the conspiracy against Jason Lynn Young end?

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

10-10-2008, 04:03 PM

All I see that is laughable is your continuing denial of real evidence. Pretending evidence isn't important or doesn't exist won't make that evidence go away, try as you might.

A shoeprint two sizes too small does not point to Jason Young.

Posterior livor mortis on a body found face-down does not point to Jason Young.

Your sense of humor is a bit warped.

Evidence?

You aren't interested in evidence!

Find me that shirt!

Jason's mommie said that he didn't unload anything in Brevard. Where is the shirt?

WHO is LYING?

WHY?

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

10-10-2008, 04:18 PM

Why the need to speak so derisively of Jason's mother?

The reality is that a missing shirt isn't evidence of murder. If it were, the DA would have acted upon it a long time ago and made an arrest.

Accusing Jason's mother of lying is a bit low for you to go :no:

I am not accusing Jason's mother of lying about the shirt. I am saying that someone is LYING!!

The little matter of $500.00 in a new wallet that is magically missing is another deal entirely.

Where's the shirt?

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

10-10-2008, 04:21 PM

if Jason wears a size 12 shoe and the shoeprint is size 10, yes that is two sizes. It's a fairly simple calculation to most of us.

Only to the "linear" thinking.

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

10-10-2008, 04:25 PM

Don't you know, Swabby. Search warrants are used by LE these days to RULE OUT suspects.

Dang!

I keep forgetting that.

MOO

Swabby

Wonder why, this is the first time that I have seen that drug out for an impromptu defense? Can you say desperate?

5swab5

10-10-2008, 04:28 PM

You pretend to be a close friend of Michelle,
yet you don't know the answers? It could be
you are a fake. Whoops.

Nothing bad about that, of course. Many fakes on
the boards. Take it as a compliment. See? Not everybody
insults. Try it.

Your Friend,
Kingcole

I'm confident that Jason has now managed to come up with an Anniversary present. Did you contribute as well?

Day late and a dollar short!

MOO
Swabby

5swab5

10-10-2008, 04:32 PM

No, not everything. With this exception, (due to the fact you are hitting me over the head) after posters alerted me to your use of multiple nics, I recently adopted a policy of scrolling on by all but one.:seeya:

PSA:

WYN,

This poster used this bait with me MONTHS ago and I bit.

Hold your tongue!

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

10-10-2008, 04:36 PM

(respectfully snipped)
And as for the livor mortis, I am NOT taking your's or anyone's (JDI or JII) inferences and deductions from the autopsy reports as statement of fact. No one on here, as far as I am aware has the credentials to ascertain anything from that information. Thus, to keep stating it as fact is just a bit in vain.

Myself!

I anxiously await the battle of the experts at trial tho. Maybe Henry Lee "can" still be bought?

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

10-10-2008, 04:51 PM

More likely one of the 2 senile corpse doc's, Dr Wecht or Dr Baden.

I fear.

I also resent the FACT that testimony can be bought.

But, I must say, you get what you pay for.
:cuss:

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

10-10-2008, 04:59 PM

No surprise there. Would you ever show consideration to any opinion that doesn't support the conclusion you've already drawn? Probably not.

The facts that Jason called Meredith that morning or that the shirt is missing or that Jason owned Hush Puppies haven't resulted in Jason's arrest, have they? Seems to me, if any one of the facts you cling to is evidence of murder, a grand jury would have indicted Jason by now.

Man,

RUDE has taken on a whole new attitude in here today, does Brevard know something that the rest of us don't?

MOO

Swabby

BTW, the GJ, can't do anything until the DA is satisfied, hope this helps.

5swab5

10-10-2008, 05:10 PM

Well there's another fake friend of Michelle. Howdy, swab. Go over and ask your Meredith bud about the gift. She'll set you straight. You betcha.

==Kingcole

Sanctimonious, condescending posts never get very far with me.

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

10-10-2008, 05:13 PM

Actually, I do show consideration. I agree the size 10 is a mystery, but there is also a shoe print that may not be a mystery is all I am saying. I was just giving items we know as fact that in a way do lend toward Jason being the killer. I am not equivocally saying he did it, but I am saying that if you tell me I musn't disregard the 10 size shoe...then the opposite is true -- you musn't disregard those things I listed.

As for the livor mortis discussion, yes I can and will disregard. Even if a JDI came up with it, I would disregard it. No one on here has the credentials to come to any factual conclusions about it.

Excellent Post!

:beer:

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

10-10-2008, 05:24 PM

Well, MOO to you, too. Why do you keep asking
about the shirt? MOO.

The cops know about the shirt. I told them.
You know about the shirt. I told you. MOO.

What else you want to know? MOO.

==Kingcole

YOU haven't done ANYTHING except "run interference" for Jason for months, (MUCH to his detriment).

Shoo Fly, Don't Bother Me.
MOO
Swabby

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 05:26 PM

Now wyn, go easy on her.
She has had so many nics, she can't even remember who she is posting as at any given time.

Oh, please, this from someone who has been banned more than anyone in the history of Message Boards and makes up names to agree with himself and pat himself on the back.

CW know you are back, Bud?

Kat

Btw, there is a new thread Hi~C started for the weekend.
CW likes the thread capped at Page 15-16.
Could you all move over?
Thanxxx.

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 05:40 PM

Now wyn, go easy on her.
She has had so many nics, she can't even remember who she is posting as at any given time.

This is not your post, Bud?

Don't be shocked, if we get locked down for the weekend.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 05:41 PM

Did Kat4eagles again tell CW "Bud" was back ?
The problem with your latest tattle is that it is simply not true.
Not only have I NOT broken a TOS rule, I am NOT who you think I am.

Unfortunately, I know not only who you are, but what you are.

:(
Kat

5swab5

10-10-2008, 05:43 PM

Did Kat4eagles again tell CW "Bud" was back ?
The problem with your latest tattle is that it is simply not true.
Not only have I NOT broken a TOS rule, I am NOT who you think I am.

Sadly, it won't matter.

Once the tattle-tales tattle, it is taken as gospel.

MOO

Swabby

I have a friend that MOVED from Ohio to FL, got a new IP and was banned under the very same suspicion. Nothing fair about any of it.

5swab5

10-10-2008, 05:46 PM

This is not your post, Bud?

Don't be shocked, if we get locked down for the weekend.

Kat

THAT would be fair!

Certainly would curtail all the excuses for Jason Lynn Young and the morphing of the evidence, that some of us are forced to fight "day and night", "night and day".

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

10-10-2008, 05:57 PM

(snipped) Meanwhile, there is a bloody shoeprint that hasn't been tied in any way whatsoever to Jason Young and livor mortis on the posterior of a body found face-down. Real evidence that doesn't point at all to Jason Young even though you want it to.

We have ALL suffered thu the bloody footprints.

What makes more sense to you? That TWO people at the crime scene stepped on the same pillow, Jason changed shoes OR that one footprint was planted??

Serious question.

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

10-10-2008, 06:43 PM

I'll give you a serious answer. What makes the most sense to me is that the killer wore the Franklins. I think the killer put the Franklins back on outside on the deck.

I think the Hush Puppie print was planted. If Jason hired a killer, wouldn't a good way for the killer to ensure Jason's silence be to leave something to implicate Jason?

WOW!

I like the way you think...sometimes,;) but why was the Franklin print embedded in the stain/sealer on the deck?

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

10-10-2008, 06:51 PM

I'll give you a serious answer. What makes the most sense to me is that the killer wore the Franklins. I think the killer put the Franklins back on outside on the deck.

I think the Hush Puppie print was planted. If Jason hired a killer, wouldn't a good way for the killer to ensure Jason's silence be to leave something to implicate Jason?

Sorry to bump your post twice.

I am not picking on you! When I try to edit, I am kicked back to '04.

But I thought of something else.

Why would the killer put one set of shoes on the deck at all?

IF true, why weren't all of the shoes left there?

MOO

Swabby

IF your theory is true, there is ONE hungry assassin out there.

5swab5

10-10-2008, 07:15 PM

Cold cases thread? I do believe that's where she wants this case to be placed. IMO

Can't speak for certain posters, CW or her rules, but for certain Brevardians, I am sure that "Cold Case" would fit their agenda perfectly!

NOT ON MY WATCH!

MOO

Swabby

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 07:26 PM

Can't speak for certain posters, CW or her rules, but for certain Brevardians, I am sure that "Cold Case" would fit their agenda perfectly!

NOT ON MY WATCH!

MOO

Swabby

Well, Budwiser aka RPD says there will be no arrest by Nov 2-3, and I know how you all believe in him, cause everything he has posted has come true....just like magic.!!!

So, he must still be here, you think?

As for the shirt, it is really simple.

Jason had some dirty clothes in the back of the car, they could have fallen out, or were left somewhere on their hurried travels back to Raleigh.

You can not go looking for a shirt a year and a half after the fact.

Works for me, and must be working for Jay too.

:biggrin:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 07:28 PM

Yes i think your right. They would love to see this as a COLD CASE not gonna happen.

Except for a 5-10 segment on Greta a few months back, and a few message board diehards, who exactly is going to keep this case alive and in the news?

Thanxxx.
:)

Kat

5swab5

10-10-2008, 07:29 PM

Yes i think your right. They would love to see this as a COLD CASE not gonna happen.

Certainly not as long as the file is in the paws of Wake County's District Attorney's Office!

MOO

Swabby

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 07:43 PM

Certainly not as long as the file is in the paws of Wake County's District Attorney's Office!

MOO

Swabby

......and, what exactly are they doing with it, again?

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 07:47 PM

Bingo!! You got it!! Works for me too! He LEFT them SOMEWHERE along the way TO Brevard.

:beer:

Brevard to Raleigh......

By the way, why did Jason bring his car back to Raleigh,if that was the car he drove in after the murder, the one with the blood spots.?

:rolleyes:

Kat

5swab5

10-10-2008, 07:47 PM

(snipped)

As for the shirt, it is really simple.

Jason had some dirty clothes in the back of the car, they could have fallen out, or were left somewhere on their hurried travels back to Raleigh.

You can not go looking for a shirt a year and a half after the fact.

Works for me, and must be working for Jay too.

:biggrin:

Kat

RiiiiigHT!

The whole family learns of Michelle's BRUTAL murder and decides to do Jason's laundry, before they start their pilgrimage back to Raleigh. What a family? Clean, HUH?

As an Alternative:

NOW, I am to believe, that not only did they HANG UP on LE in transit, but that they left the "tailgate" open on the trip back to Raleigh, so Jason's laundry fell out?

Pick a lane!

Remember...PAT "said" that nothing was removed from Jason's vehicle. Where's the shirt? We have a picture of it, with him IN it, LE confiscated his belongings as soon as he FINALLY hit Raleigh...WHERE is the shirt?

SOMEONE IS LYING...YOU PICK!

MOO!

Swabby

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 07:56 PM

I wasn't addressing the dimensions of the prints on the pillow, I was addressing the dimensions of the Hush puppie shoe Jason purchased (size 12) and the distinct impression of the Franklin shoe sole left on the pillow (10).

They don't get it, 2 years later and they just don't get it.

It has been one excuse after another, they were building a solid case with the mountains of circumstantial evidence they had, they needed to go back to the house just one more time, they needed something else, just one more piece..:rolleyes:

They had a tip line, they offered a reward, they had it all.

Everything but a case.

:)

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 07:58 PM

[QUOTE=Wyn;12264772]Don't you think it would look suspicious NOT to bring it back? You do realize he had ALL day on his trip to Brevard to clean it the best he could. And unless he was really stupid, he used plastic bags before he placed his shirt, etc. in the SUV. Pretty elementary. :rolleyes:
QUOTE]

Jay had a perfectly good excuse for not bringing his car back.
Umm, his wife had died, and he wasn't up to driving.

Could have given someone a chance to clean it even better, if it needed to be..

Sorry, 2 killers and one of them was not Jason Young.

Hope this helps.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

10-10-2008, 08:22 PM

Not necessarily lying at all. We don't know the question LE asked his mother, we only know her part of the answer they put on the search warrant. Jason may have changed into clothes he brought with him and that wouldn't be quite the same thing as removing something from the car and leaving it behind in Brevard. I don't believe his mother has intentionally lied or covered for Jason or in any way conspired with him.

Let them keep working on it.

At least, now we know "for sure", cause the DA and LE told a poster here, that there is not going to be an arrest by Nov2~3rd.

:biggrin:

Kat

5swab5

10-10-2008, 08:24 PM

They don't get it, 2 years later and they just don't get it.

It has been one excuse after another, they were building a solid case with the mountains of circumstantial evidence they had, they needed to go back to the house just one more time, they needed something else, just one more piece..:rolleyes:

They had a tip line, they offered a reward, they had it all.

Everything but a case.

:)

Kat

As much as you would like to deny it, "Circumstantial evidence" holds UP much better than "Direct evidence" in a court and in appeals.

People can "get it" wrong, Science doesn't lie.

It IS what it is!

MOO

Swabby

Where is all of the foreign DNA at Birchleaf? Surely a random burglar would have shed ONE single skin cell!

5swab5

10-10-2008, 08:39 PM

[QUOTE=Wyn;12264772]Don't you think it would look suspicious NOT to bring it back? You do realize he had ALL day on his trip to Brevard to clean it the best he could. And unless he was really stupid, he used plastic bags before he placed his shirt, etc. in the SUV. Pretty elementary. :rolleyes:
QUOTE]

Jay had a perfectly good excuse for not bringing his car back.
Umm, his wife had died, and he wasn't up to driving.

Hope this helps.

Kat

I find it OFFENSIVE (again...sigh) that you use an unfamiliar term to the rest of the posters, when refering to Jason Lynn Young. To Wit: Jay
I was under the impression that we are to ONLY call the players by their "given names"?

MOO

Swabby

Where's Da Shirt?

5swab5

10-10-2008, 08:46 PM

I have to agree they can't go looking for a shirt a year and a half after the fact and expect to find it.

Perpetuating Propaganda, again?

LE WAS waiting on the entourage, they DID confiscate everything.

Pat said everything was there.

Who is LYING?

MOO

Swabby

5swab5

10-10-2008, 08:51 PM

Not necessarily lying at all. We don't know the question LE asked his mother, we only know her part of the answer they put on the search warrant. Jason may have changed into clothes he brought with him and that wouldn't be quite the same thing as removing something from the car and leaving it behind in Brevard. I don't believe his mother has intentionally lied or covered for Jason or in any way conspired with him.

I'm sorry,

Believe what you must, but after seeing her "display" at Michelle & Rylan's funeral. PLUS her own very own word on tape, she is as complicate as anyone.

MOO

Swabby