Verdict has been reached

[Suburban]

Since this is a state case, wouldn't OJ and CJ be maybe at Nellis State Prison, or one of the others? This would be a kidnapping in the 2nd degree and category B felony.


They will send OJ wherever they feel he will be the safest I would guess, I seriously doubt they will be sent to the same prison.

[5swab5]

Krerect..4Pm eastern standard time..I know of MSNBC but sure others will carry it too..See ya there..LOL

LMS

Bless You!

[sunstar]

They will send OJ wherever they feel he will be the safest I would guess, I seriously doubt they will be sent to the same prison.

I know in some other states, co-defendents aren't sent to the same prison so it might be the same with Nevada, imo. :shrug:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Do you know if it will be online or on TV?

For sure it will be on TV..but here's a online link to MSNBC..maybe they'll have a live feed banner when pressor gets underway?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/


Here's CNN,s live feed link:..not sure if they'll cover..but may

http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream1

Maybe The Legal Edge may cover it too:

http://www.thelegaledge.com/index.php?livecover


Maybe even KTLA may have it..:

http://www.ktla.com/ojsimpson

Good luck..It's going to get started in about 10 minutes..

LMS:seeya:

[Spanky]

Krerect..4Pm eastern standard time..I know of MSNBC but sure others will carry it too..See ya there..LOL

LMS


Thanks for confirming - This should be quite entertaining...:)

[Details]

This verdict is definitely not "finally" justice for Ron and Nicole. If OJ had never set up this robbery - he'd still be free. If Nicole was still alive and he committed this robbery - he'd be where he is today. The only thing putting him in jail today is the robbery.

Now, what is more than a little "finally" is that this repeat offender who has gotten away with several crimes, not only a murder charge, but a road rage charge, and lots of domestic violence allegations, has FINALLY found a court that will not let him skip off without jail due to his celebrity and race-flashpoint status. Just like other celebrities and wealthy people who get away with crimes for a long time due to their money and fame, and FINALLY get charged and convicted of one of their many crimes - it is a good thing to see.

It's nice to see - but it's not justice for Ron and Nicole, because it wouldn't have happened without OJ deciding to commit these crimes. And it's nice to see, again, someone with money and a fancy lawyer not managing to escape conviction on charges that the average defendant would be convicted of. It's nice to see every bit of evidence our justice system isn't for sale, even if we all know it kinda is - a cheap lawyer often will get you convicted, sometimes even if you're innocent, where an expensive lawyer will often get you off (even if you're guilty).

[bearwds]

Krerect..4Pm eastern standard time..I know of MSNBC but sure others will carry it too..See ya there..LOL

LMS
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----->>>>Counting paw fingers.

Hey...that's in less than 5-minutes.

See ya on the back side.


bearwds

[Justiceguy_1977]

Vegas justice

[Spanky]

Nothing on MSNBC... Going to CNN

[cherylt]

MSNBC is only replaying the VP debate! :mad:

[islandgirl36542]

How can he find the real killers?


This is terrible ... if he does prison what will happen to his mission to find the REAL killer.

[Ang Disaster]

If he is behind bars, it works for me.

Absolutely! I believe he is a double murderer who was also rightfully found guilty of all of the charges in this case. Right now, OJ is right where he belongs and should have been for the past 14 years. You know what they say about karma. ;)

I hope in whatever way it can, this brings the friends and family of Nicole Brown & Ronald Goldman some peace. :rose:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

MSNBC is only replaying the VP debate! :mad:

Like everything else..nothing is ontime..LOL..CNN is speaking on this..apparantly the jurors left last night and did not speak to the press at all..

So guess we'll have to channel surf to find it eventually..LOL

I will also check out Fox..tho dont like that media outlet..

LMS:seeya:

[Spanky]

Well, CRAP!

Looks like Riccio pulled another one! (hehehe) :punch:

[bearwds]

MSNBC is only replaying the VP debate! :mad:
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<frowny-faces> ....no presser ??

CNN says they will broadcast "I-Reports" in about 20-minutes. Think that is community comments on verdict.

Also reported that jurors left last night with no comment.

HNN..MSNBC...and of course TRU have nothing but politics on <appropriate icon face here>


bearwds

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Its not on MSNBC and they don't seem nearly done with the Pres. Debates. Its almost 10 after 4 Eastern time

Will do that..I am channel surfing as I type..I'll give a yoddle when something comes up..See ya then....LOL

LMS:seeya:

[barskin&co.]

Here's a thought: I wonder if he'll talk more about the 1994 crime with his prison buddies?

[Details]

How can he find the real killers?


This is terrible ... if he does prison what will happen to his mission to find the REAL killer.What if the real killers are in prison? Maybe all his little "crimes" in the past have been an attempt to finally get in prison to find the real killers there, but he kept being thwarted by people getting him off?

[legalmania]

This verdict is definitely not "finally" justice for Ron and Nicole. If OJ had never set up this robbery - he'd still be free. If Nicole was still alive and he committed this robbery - he'd be where he is today. The only thing putting him in jail today is the robbery.

Now, what is more than a little "finally" is that this repeat offender who has gotten away with several crimes, not only a murder charge, but a road rage charge, and lots of domestic violence allegations, has FINALLY found a court that will not let him skip off without jail due to his celebrity and race-flashpoint status. Just like other celebrities and wealthy people who get away with crimes for a long time due to their money and fame, and FINALLY get charged and convicted of one of their many crimes - it is a good thing to see.

It's nice to see - but it's not justice for Ron and Nicole, because it wouldn't have happened without OJ deciding to commit these crimes. And it's nice to see, again, someone with money and a fancy lawyer not managing to escape conviction on charges that the average defendant would be convicted of. It's nice to see every bit of evidence our justice system isn't for sale, even if we all know it kinda is - a cheap lawyer often will get you convicted, sometimes even if you're innocent, where an expensive lawyer will often get you off (even if you're guilty).

Once again your wrong I have seen many pro bono lawyers win cases. As a matter of fact Eric McClean attorney was pro bono. Many are excellent lawyers. The people who work for legal aid do a good job and they work very hard. With so many people getting evicted because of fraudulent mortgage companies people will have to use legal aid and I'm glad they are so kind to work so cheap.

[Tracian]

I realize it is not technically justice for Nicole and Ron, but I tend to view this much like Al Capone.

Al Capone was guilty of murders, but LE could never prove it; He was also guilty of tax evasion, which they could prove, and that is what they finally got him on.

I think it was poetic that his guilty verdicts came down on the same day 13 years later, that IMO, get got away with murder.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

What if the real killers are in prison? Maybe all his little "crimes" in the past have been an attempt to finally get in prison to find the real killers there, but he kept being thwarted by people getting him off?


Well I know, by his own admission, he would not work nor allow any of his stuff get into the hands of the Goldman's, soooo why not let his lawyers get it..OJ was indeed on a "Mission" but not to find the real killer..as he already knew who did it.!!! instead the mission was to hide his money and income from the judgement..:cuss:

LMS

[bearwds]

What if the real killers are in prison? Maybe all his little "crimes" in the past have been an attempt to finally get in prison to find the real killers there, but he kept being thwarted by people getting him off?
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details, you're really on this afternoon. Good chuckle, thanx.

Them durn lawyers....lol


bearwds

[Cornblossom]

Would the kids get his NFL pension? I don't know how that works exactly when the ex-player is in prison. :shrug:

OJ receives $25,000 a month from his football pension. He is only allowed so much money on the books in prison for commisary,etc. I imagine he would give someone power of attorney.:shrug:

[sunstar]

Here's a thought: I wonder if he'll talk more about the 1994 crime with his prison buddies?

Always in hypotheticals, of course ~ "If" he did it. :D

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Thanks for the reply Lynda I read your link and it says $25,000 a month so adjusting for inflation it could be $30,000 a month. That's still quite a bit of money looking at from the working stiff point of view.

YVW..Geesh..there is over 300,000 links on Google..took me some time to find that...LOL

LMS:seeya:

[Ang Disaster]

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details, you're really on this afternoon. Good chuckle, thanx.

Them durn lawyers....lol


bearwds

:lol:

And unless the "real killer(s)" were on the golf course, OJ was never going to find them as he proclaimed he would. :rolleyes:

[sunstar]

OJ receives $25,000 a month from his football pension. He is only allowed so much money on the books in prison for commisary,etc. I imagine he would give someone power of attorney.:shrug:

Thanks so much ~ now 'power of attorney' is interesting. Maybe it will be the attorney himself. I'd imagine he owes him quite a bit and now there will have to be appeals attorneys.

[bearwds]

Thanks for the reply Lynda I read your link and it says $25,000 a month so adjusting for inflation it could be $30,000 a month. That's still quite a bit of money looking at from the working stiff point of view.
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Inflation takes its' toll. Heard Kim Goldman on an interview a couple of days ago saying the 33-m verdict is now 50-m. Don't know how exact that is.

CNN...now discussing but that's about it. Now.."I-Reports".


bearwds

[sunstar]

O.J. Simpson comes up a loser in Las Vegas:

In a city where luck means everything, O.J. Simpson came out the big loser _ and his unlucky number in a case full of bizarre twists was 13.

He was convicted of an armed robbery that happened on Sept. 13 and was found guilty on the 13th anniversary of his Los Angeles murder acquittal by a jury that deliberated for 13 hours after a 13-day trial.

And then the lights went out.

In a courtroom where only the wracking sobs of Simpson's sister broke the silence late Friday night, darkness suddenly engulfed the participants and court marshals flipped on flashlights and shouted for everyone to stay seated.

Only the judge knew what had happened. It was 11 p.m. and the courthouse lights had shut down automatically.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/oct/04/oj-simpson-comes-up-a-loser-in-las-vegas/
What a great article!! :biggrin: I'll say, that sure is an unlucky number for him.

[Joan-Pa.]

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Inflation takes its' toll. Heard Kim Goldman on an interview a couple of days ago saying the 33-m verdict is now 50-m. Don't know how exact that is.

CNN...now discussing but that's about it. Now.."I-Reports".


bearwds

Could the presser be at 4:00 pacific time? I'm in the east and there is nothing on here anywhere.? Just wondered since it is still early out west.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

O.J. Simpson comes up a loser in Las Vegas:

In a city where luck means everything, O.J. Simpson came out the big loser _ and his unlucky number in a case full of bizarre twists was 13.

He was convicted of an armed robbery that happened on Sept. 13 and was found guilty on the 13th anniversary of his Los Angeles murder acquittal by a jury that deliberated for 13 hours after a 13-day trial.

And then the lights went out.

In a courtroom where only the wracking sobs of Simpson's sister broke the silence late Friday night, darkness suddenly engulfed the participants and court marshals flipped on flashlights and shouted for everyone to stay seated.

Only the judge knew what had happened. It was 11 p.m. and the courthouse lights had shut down automatically.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/oct/04/oj-simpson-comes-up-a-loser-in-las-vegas/

Right on C_E..all day yesterday, I had a gut feeling a decision would come before midnight their time..and as you stated..all the stars aligned for the inevidable..if you follow numerology or whatever else is out there..it just comes down to devine justice to hold our Mr Simpson accountable for wrong doings..and this case specifically, was proven way beyond reasonable doubt..Most the proof came right out his own mouth!!!

Indeed, when justice prevails, it is so much sweeter when you know it was true justice for a misguided, audacious, self-endulgant bully!!! His luck did run out in Vegas, tho he felt his chances were hedged pulling this in Nevada..versus California..Last cafaw was on him!!

LMS:D

[sunstar]

Could the presser be at 4:00 pacific time? I'm in the east and there is nothing on here anywhere.? Just wondered since it is still early out west.

That might be it. I didn't hear anything on any cable channels either except the "news" of the verdict being covered again.

[renee01]

Anyone heard a quote from Marcia Clark and/or Chris Darden since a decision was made?

I'm sure they are having a drink together over this verdict!

[Details]

Once again your wrong I have seen many pro bono lawyers win cases. As a matter of fact Eric McClean attorney was pro bono. Many are excellent lawyers. The people who work for legal aid do a good job and they work very hard. With so many people getting evicted because of fraudulent mortgage companies people will have to use legal aid and I'm glad they are so kind to work so cheap.Once again you're ignoring what I really say to find a way to declare me wrong. As I said, "often" and that is the truth.

A cheap and or pro-bono lawyer is indeed far less likely to be a good one than an expensive lawyer, is less likely to have the resources to run independent experts, independent tests than an expensive lawyer. Indeed, sometimes they can be good, and no doubt they are. But the truth remains - someone with money to hire an expensive lawyer is much more likely to get away with a crime. Someone without money for a lawyer is much more likely to be found guilty.

And we've seen more than enough examples of this - from Spector to OJ, to that nice billionaire who couldn't be convicted of murder even when he goes and admits killing the guy, hacking him into pieces and disposing of the body. Rich justice is often very different than poor justice - it's the truth. And it's always a nice thing to see when that does not hold true, when a mountain of evidence cannot be spun away with an expensive lawyer.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

You may be right. The message I first saw was that MSNBC was going to televise a conference but Riccio was the only name given as appearing. Maybe MSNBC and other outlets are scrambling to get Galanter and Grasso to speak -- someone who at least has something intelligent to say.

I don't want to hear more of Riccio's blatherings. Late last night he was on and is now spouting that he thought Simpson had been set up by McClinton and Alexander; that the Jury rushed to judgment so they could give their verdict on the 13th anniversary of his acquittal for murder, and other garbage, blah, blah, blah. Please, give us all a break, Riccio, you will say and do anything to make money and get face time. We know that because you told us so.

I doubt if there was 2 out of 12 of those jurors who knew the date of Simpson's acquittal. Heck, until this current legal problem Simpson brought upon himself, I didn't even remember the YEAR of the acquital. Simpson said in an interview he did not remember the date of his own mother's death. Why should Mrs. John Q. Citizen remember the exact date of his acquital 13 years ago? Hogwash!

That Las Vegas jury spent over 3 times longer deliberating this case that the L.A. jury spent deliberating the murder case and that trial lasted for MONTHS.


HEY G....I only posted what was said on MSNBC..and she was quite clear about that time line..but typical..Who actually knows..but I am surfing most outlets to try and get it posted here in good time..Maybe Headline News will cover it..havent checked that lately..I hope Riccio gets a bit part in this pressor..he is such a good..opportunists..Geesh..:seeya:

LMS

[bearwds]

[QUOTE=C_E;12232111]O.J. Simpson comes up a loser in Las Vegas:

In a city where luck means everything, O.J. Simpson came out the big loser _ and his unlucky number in a case full of bizarre twists was 13.

He was convicted of an armed robbery that happened on Sept. 13 and was found guilty on the 13th anniversary of his Los Angeles murder acquittal by a jury that deliberated for 13 hours after a 13-day trial.

And then the lights went out.

In a courtroom where only the wracking sobs of Simpson's sister broke the silence late Friday night, darkness suddenly engulfed the participants and court marshals flipped on flashlights and shouted for everyone to stay seated.

Only the judge knew what had happened. It was 11 p.m. and the courthouse lights had shut down automatically.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/oct/04/oj-simpson-comes-up-a-loser-in-las-vegas/
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Good article....thanx. I could have done without the quoting of Gloria Alred though. Real distaste there.

Attached herself to Amber Frye and momma to Lisa Bloom.

Is there a YouTube Link to the court gathering as the lights went out >>?? I've seen the sentencing ones.

bearwds

[Lyndawitha"Y]

[QUOTE=C_E;12232111]O.J. Simpson comes up a loser in Las Vegas:

In a city where luck means everything, O.J. Simpson came out the big loser _ and his unlucky number in a case full of bizarre twists was 13.

He was convicted of an armed robbery that happened on Sept. 13 and was found guilty on the 13th anniversary of his Los Angeles murder acquittal by a jury that deliberated for 13 hours after a 13-day trial.

And then the lights went out.

In a courtroom where only the wracking sobs of Simpson's sister broke the silence late Friday night, darkness suddenly engulfed the participants and court marshals flipped on flashlights and shouted for everyone to stay seated.

Only the judge knew what had happened. It was 11 p.m. and the courthouse lights had shut down automatically.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/oct/04/oj-simpson-comes-up-a-loser-in-las-vegas/
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Good article....thanx. I could have done without the quoting of Gloria Alred though. Real diastase there.

Attached herself to Amber Frye and momma to Lisa Bloom.

Is there a YouTube Link to the court gathering as the lights went out >>?? I've seen the sentencing ones.

bearwds


Go to video of OJ verdict being read..the whole courtroom goes DARK..geesh.spooky..and Yale yells out..Everybody stay seated..or something along that line..

http://www.thelegaledge.com/index.php?livecover#

LMS:seeya:

[Cornblossom]

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Good article....thanx. I could have done without the quoting of Gloria Alred though. Real distaste there.

Attached herself to Amber Frye and momma to Lisa Bloom.

Is there a YouTube Link to the court gathering as the lights went out >>?? I've seen the sentencing ones.

bearwds[/QUOTE]

http://www.thelegaledge.com./index.php?livecover#
Look under Dramatic Moments in This Trial

[Spanky]

O.J. Simpson comes up a loser in Las Vegas:

In a city where luck means everything, O.J. Simpson came out the big loser _ and his unlucky number in a case full of bizarre twists was 13.

He was convicted of an armed robbery that happened on Sept. 13 and was found guilty on the 13th anniversary of his Los Angeles murder acquittal by a jury that deliberated for 13 hours after a 13-day trial.

And then the lights went out.

In a courtroom where only the wracking sobs of Simpson's sister broke the silence late Friday night, darkness suddenly engulfed the participants and court marshals flipped on flashlights and shouted for everyone to stay seated.

Only the judge knew what had happened. It was 11 p.m. and the courthouse lights had shut down automatically.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/oct/04/oj-simpson-comes-up-a-loser-in-las-vegas/


WOW!!! I didn't see that fourth 13... Even OJ's Lawyer admitted that it was a very strange coincidence that the 13th year and the 13th hour may have been odd, or a strong message...

Then someone posted on this thread that the verdict was on Sept. 13. And now I am reading that the trial lasted 13 days!!

This is indeed very spooky - just in time for Halloween - Thanks OJ!

:flamemad:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

The Judge could stick with the number 13 and give him 13 years..

but he'd be lucky to get only 13. ;)


I think things start at 15 years minimum..and the other charges get added to that..Many of the charges require consecutive sentences..not concurrent time..not all..but many of them..

LMS:seeya:

[5swab5]

(respectfully snipped)
I don't want to hear more of Riccio's blatherings. Late last night he was on and is now spouting that he thought Simpson had been set up by McClinton and Alexander; that the Jury rushed to judgment so they could give their verdict on the 13th anniversary of his acquittal for murder, and other garbage, blah, blah, blah. Please, give us all a break, Riccio, you will say and do anything to make money and get face time. We know that because you told us so. (snipped for this section)

ITA!

We have trees at the beach here, that are called "Politician Trees", because they lean whichever way the wind blows.

Riccio is worse than Kato, if possible, IMO!

Swabby

[bearwds]

SNIPPED

http://www.thelegaledge.com./index.php?livecover#
Look under Dramatic Moments in This Trial

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Hey thanx...!! Eerie... <making ghost sounds>

Sorta---lights out.


bearwds

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Oh, I would love to be a fly on the wall ...

Imagine the infighting over who will 'control' Simpson's multiple pensions, his Florida home, etc. Yale Galanter fighting with Arnelle; who will be fighting with her 2 aunts (Simpson's two sisters); [Note: his only brother seems to keep a very low profile]. Then there is his eldest son, 38 year old Jason, who will be wanting his piece of the pie; throw in Simpson's 2 youngest children, Sydney and Justin, who want their college bill and living expenses paid and one can imagine some heavy "discussions," on who gets Simpson's money.

Then, there's the off shore accounts which have been alluded to -- do they exist?; how much in them?; who really has access?; who WILL have access and control?

How about all those storage lockers Mike Gilbert admits exist? Will he do what he said he would when talking with Mr. Goldman and daughter on Dr. Phil's show? Be honest with them? Or, just be kinda semi-honest and only tell where some of them are located and under whose name they exist?

The possibilities are almost endless.

:lol:

I am only speculating here, but I am sure Yell (akaYale) has had 8 years to manoeuver OJ's assets..and knows exactly how much and where it all is..and the rest of OJ's gang (family and friends) not including Sydney and Justin will have to negotiate with Yell to get anything. Then again, given all the exposure of these assets and possible offshore accts, trust funds and hidden properties..any and all peeps (Fromong and Gilbert..and even Beardsley per his own mouth on tape) in the know..will be pressured to tell the truthes behind the last 13 years of deceit!!

LMS:punch:

[sunstar]

The Judge could stick with the number 13 and give him 13 years..

but he'd be lucky to get only 13. ;)

Maybe 13 yrs. on each count, consecutively? :D

[RGG]

LIGHTS OUT at youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnVuDdDB8Rg

[RGG]

I am only speculating here, but I am sure Yell (akaYale) has had 8 years to manoeuver OJ's assets..and knows exactly how much and where it all is..and the rest of OJ's gang (family and friends) not including Sydney and Justin will have to negotiate with Yell to get anything. Then again, given all the exposure of these assets and possible offshore accts, trust funds and hidden properties..any and all peeps (Fromong and Gilbert..and even Beardsley per his own mouth on tape) in the know..will be pressured to tell the truthes behind the last 13 years of deceit!!

LMS:punch:

Wouldn't Sydney and Justin received SSI from Nicole? It should be paying them each, every month, as long as they are in college.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Wouldn't Sydney and Justin received SSI from Nicole? It should be paying them each, every month, as long as they are in college.

I hope your right about that..it seems that Nicole's kids have ben sheltered from media spectacle..and most info about them has come from OJ..so yes, I think these two OJ children will be supported..even post College years!! The Browns will be there for them (we know that) and since they are semi adults, I am sure they will be just fine!! My fingers, toes, arms, legs and even my eyes are crossed for them!!

LMS:seeya:

[sunstar]

Fred Goldman will be on CNN Newsroom tonight at 11pm ET/ 8pm PT :)

[Tracian]

13 is considered a "Karmic Debt Number,"


http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Numerology_The_Number_13_Luckier_Than_You_Think.ht ml



That is really spooky!!!!!!

[sunstar]

Oh, I would love to be a fly on the wall ...

Imagine the infighting over who will 'control' Simpson's multiple pensions, his Florida home, etc. Yale Galanter fighting with Arnelle; who will be fighting with her 2 aunts (Simpson's two sisters); [Note: his only brother seems to keep a very low profile]. Then there is his eldest son, 38 year old Jason, who will be wanting his piece of the pie; throw in Simpson's 2 youngest children, Sydney and Justin, who want their college bill and living expenses paid and one can imagine some heavy "discussions," on who gets Simpson's money.

Then, there's the off shore accounts which have been alluded to -- do they exist?; how much in them?; who really has access?; who WILL have access and control?

How about all those storage lockers Mike Gilbert admits exist? Will he do what he said he would when talking with Mr. Goldman and daughter on Dr. Phil's show? Be honest with them? Or, just be kinda semi-honest and only tell where some of them are located and under whose name they exist?

The possibilities are almost endless.

:lol:

I've always thought his money went to offshore accts. through Bailey back before the civil judgment, so I'd imagine those have been handled by an attorney ever since. I do see a fight between his family and the attorneys though and it is a good question about the Florida house which has been protected from the civil judgment also. :shrug:

[5swab5]

(respectfully snipped)

..he'll be pretty old by then and Christy Prody will have moved on. Heck she is probably already 'moved on'...lol


No doubt a healthier woman for the process.:biggrin:

MOO

Swabby

[Attagirl]

I am probably the only person here who is going to agree with you. I also think that many people actually do enjoy seeing him go to prison, for a crime he was acquitted of 13 years ago. Our system of justice is broken and our founders would be horrified.

moo

To my peril, I agree with both of you. If you want to get him for murder, do it. This was garbage.

[psbperu]

MSNBC just announced that a legal expert is coming up to discuss how the jury came to their decision.

Don't know who it is?

(O/T able to watch Bruce Springsteen's free concert on streaming video from Philadelphia...that was a treat)

[RGG]

I think they have that along with their mother's estate.

TY Snow - I never knew about an estate. I just located this, and it's rather sad:
http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=15&num=14832

[bearwds]

Re: Prody - I doubt that she has already moved on. She's not working and OJ was her only suppport - and her drug and alchohol supplier. And now she is up to her neck in medical bills.
What's she gonna do - move back in with her mother?
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Prody... She "hooked-up" with Simpson by standing around at his estate gate. if I remember. With the resemblance to Nicole, you know she caught his eye.

What to do now ?? Maybe Spector is tired of his show wife.

Goldman on CNN tonight as noted above. He may be a little hung over with the champagne that must have popped last night <kidding>.

Only reaction I have seen so far was him calling Simpson a... ..hmmm ...I don't think I can say that here. Let's just say "prophylactic bag". Hope Kim is interviewed.


bearwds

[Details]

To my peril, I agree with both of you. If you want to get him for murder, do it. This was garbage.This had nothing to do with the murder. If Joe Blow, neverfamous, noncelebrity, regular guy lures his old buddy to a hotel room to take back stuff that he thinks was stolen from him, along with a few other things, brings along armed thugs, he'll be right up there, same courtroom, same charges. And there was three times the evidence needed to convict Joe Blow right up there before this jury, uncontestable levels of evidence.

It's not about murder. It's about a celebrity committing a string of crimes, and finally on one of them, he is actually convicted, after getting away with some other crimes (obviously, IMO). And it's good to see that in the end, you can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time, even the best lucky streak has to end sometime, if you keep pushing your luck.

[Details]

Turn on cnn

OK, according to that 3 minute CNN blurb, Simpson's sentence will be a minimum of 23 years.

At 8 PDT, CNN will get reaction from Goldman.Sounds like they're figuring on consecutive, not concurrent for at least some charges? What do they base that on - sentencing guidelines?

[RGG]

This interview Simpson gave to Couric in June 2004 is worth the read; I have posted it before. Portrayal of mindset of Simpson and and some by Galanter.

Couric: “Some people might be surprised to learn that the subject of their [Sydney & Justin] mother's death and murder and the terrible circumstances surrounding that, that they have never ever come up in 10 years?”

Simpson: “Never come up in 10 years.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5137198/

JMO - it's fair to consider the 2 children have their own suspicions, but what can they do as minors? They were old enough to research the Internet, or newspapers. They've probably discussed it between themselves, and maybe the Browns have even left clues/hints.

[cherylt]

I wondered what that was all about with the lights! Local news is on now so I'm going to go see if there is anything interesting happening on Killian Drive tonight. Rosh Lowe always like to catch Christie Prodi!

The Judge said "auto lights off @ 11:00" so that what technically happened when the lights went out. But it sure was eerie and seems to be more than a coincidence...

[cherylt]

Per interview w/ Rebecca Woodland, defense atty, she doesn't think the appeal will work out re: jury selection. Said it is very hard to prove that the Prosecution purposefully discarded african americans. He should look elsewhere for appeal material,although that is what he has said after the veredict.

She also stated it still wasn't a mistake to have OJ on the stand. He has too many inconsistencies to put him up there & it might even lead to the Guilty in the Civil Suit where he was held liable... Audio tape, too, was too damaging itself...

12/5 sentence scenario (possibly): another 10 to life on several other charges, depends on whether Judge goes concurrent or consecutive.

Just thought I'd let others know of the interview if you didn't get to see it...

[sunstar]

Sounds like they're figuring on consecutive, not concurrent for at least some charges? What do they base that on - sentencing guidelines?

I too heard the 23 yrs. after hearing 15 yrs. initially. Another thing is how much time must be served in Nevada before being eligible for parole? :shrug:

[JBL]

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Hey thanx...!! Eerie... <making ghost sounds>

Sorta---lights out.


bearwds


Whooooooooooooooo

There's a clip somewhere of Yale mentioning something about the erieness of it all. Speaking about the powers that be for past indescretions . I can't find the darn clip but it was outside the courthouse after the verdict. I'm wondering if it was removed because when I though I'd found it,I clicked on it and it went to page not found.

[Details]

Per interview w/ Rebecca Woodland, defense atty, she doesn't think the appeal will work out re: jury selection. Said it is very hard to prove that the Prosecution purposefully discarded african americans. He should look elsewhere for appeal material,although that is what he has said after the veredict.

She also stated it still wasn't a mistake to have OJ on the stand. He has too many inconsistencies to put him up there & it might even lead to the Guilty in the Civil Suit where he was held liable... Audio tape, too, was too damaging itself...

12/5 sentence scenario (possibly): another 10 to life on several other charges, depends on whether Judge goes concurrent or consecutive.

Just thought I'd let others know of the interview if you didn't get to see it...That sounds more like what I thought the minimum would be. 15 years. He'll get a little more than that, but I expect not a lot. 15-30 years, my guess. And, of course, probation possible far sooner than that - IIRC, 5 years was the minimum time before probation on the kidnapping charge, which is likely the highest. So probation possible in 5-15 years.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

The Judge said "auto lights off @ 11:00" so that what technically happened when the lights went out. But it sure was eerie and seems to be more than a coincidence...

I agree..there was more than coinkydink here..The stars were aligned for all these things to happen when they did...No human could orchestrate all these meaningful symbolic signs...If I were Simpson, I would be berry berry afeeard of what he's going to face come "Judgement Day" in the beyond.!! The worst he's going to have to endure here on earth is no mo golf, no mo partying, no mo hiding his activities!!

Most likely, for the next many years, his lifestyle will be dictated by those that control his every move..he's no longer is in the "Drivers Seat"!!

LMS

[sunstar]

No, this case was not garbage. If you had followed the trial closely as many here have, read available documents including the definition of kidnapping as it is applies in Nevada, etc. you would realize the arrest and trial of Stewart and Simpson was a valid one.

It is well worth remembering that the legal definitions of various crimes AND the sentencing structures for them are not exactly the same in every state.

Add to that the enhancement of any crime where a gun is involved and it is a whole new set of legal circumstances - depending upon the state.

Forget the trial in California. It happened a long time ago. The Jury rendered its verdict. Some people agreed with it. Some people didn't.

Mr. Simpson left California; his mother; his sisters; his brother; his 2 older childen; his friends; etc. and moved to Florida for the benefits it gave him in avoiding a civil judgment against him. He should have stayed there; played golf, lived in his beautiful home, kept a low profile, and enjoyed and cherished his freedom.
And all of that is gone now, most likely forever. No more golf, Florida sunshine, and home will be a cell in state prison. It really is hard to believe he didn't realize how "lucky" he was to have gotten that acquittal in 1995 and kept a low profile and faded into oblivion. But his ego was too large, he did everything possible not to pay one cent on the civil judgement, and karma caught up with him. MOO

[AZCHARGED]

What did Nicole do for a living before marrying Simpson? I don't know.
What did Nicole do for a living after divorcing Simpson? I don't know.[/QUOTE]

There are men who are only attracted to "dependent" women -- those who are unable to make their own living. In this way they are able to treat them however they choose and the women have little choice but to stay. Or so they are led to believe. OJ is one of these men and his current girlfriend fits the pattern.

[Details]

The light's off is an eerie thing, but worried me. There are so many people who have extremely strong views, pro and con, about OJ, it could have been a nutjob looking to break OJ free, it could have been a nutjob looking to kill OJ, could have been a nutjob going after judge or prosecutor, could have been a nutjob going after defense attorneys. Those bailiffs were sure moving fast - talk about their worst nightmare.

[Cornblossom]

Nicole was a waitress before she married OJ.

http://marriage.about.com/od/infamous/p/brownsimpson.htm

[marabeth]

This had nothing to do with the murder. If Joe Blow, neverfamous, noncelebrity, regular guy lures his old buddy to a hotel room to take back stuff that he thinks was stolen from him, along with a few other things, brings along armed thugs, he'll be right up there, same courtroom, same charges. And there was three times the evidence needed to convict Joe Blow right up there before this jury, uncontestable levels of evidence.

It's not about murder. It's about a celebrity committing a string of crimes, and finally on one of them, he is actually convicted, after getting away with some other crimes (obviously, IMO). And it's good to see that in the end, you can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time, even the best lucky streak has to end sometime, if you keep pushing your luck.

Well said!

[sunstar]

Well since nobody died in this farce, I look for concurrent sentences for both and probably less than five years at max.:read:

After being convicted for what was it, 12 counts, he'd only serve less than 5 years? :eek:

[cherylt]

Well since nobody died in this farce, I look for concurrent sentences for both and probably less than five years at max.:read:

There is a 15 year sentence MINIMUM. Even if ALL the charges do run concurrently.

[RGG]

Nicole was a waitress before she married OJ.

http://marriage.about.com/od/infamous/p/brownsimpson.htm

EXCELLENT LINK CORNBLOSSOM - Please remember to add this to the links page.

I'm in awe of this information since I wasn't privy to the first trial (re the murder of Nicole and Ron). Guess I have a lot of catching-in to do.
:(

[sunstar]

There is a 15 year sentence MINIMUM. Even if ALL the charges do run concurrently.

Thank you for clarifying that! :) I didn't think the media had exaggerated that much from what I've heard and read today.

[JBL]

Well since nobody died in this farce, I look for concurrent sentences for both and probably less than five years at max.:read:

Uh huh. :rolleyes:


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-10-03-oj-simpson-trial_N.htm

"I dare say it's probably going to be on the high end," defense attorney Yale Galanter said of the likely prison term after the verdict was announced."

[RGG]

General Question

Like I said before - I wasn't in on the first trial (Nicole and Ron), but now know of the acquittal in the murders and the guilty in the civil trial.

When one is guilty in a civil trial; does that, in any way, imply the original verdict had to have been incorrect? That truly confuses me.:shrug:

[legalmania]

I think he's a goner. His appeals would have to be based on some form of error that leaves the conviction "clearly erroneous" or whatever standard they may use in Nevada.. That'll never happen. At this point, OJ is just like a piece of dried road kill.

As to the Goldmans, I don't beileve that Mr. Goldman really cares about the money. He filed the civil suit to vindicate his position, that is, that OJ was responsible for the death of his son and also Nicole. He has said as much and I believe him. He didn't ask to have his son slaughtrered. I have a son and I wouldn't take any amount of money for him.

I haven't seen anything even close to the death scene at Rockingham since I inspected a slaughterhouse for an insurance company years ago. After that, I quit eating meat for five years until I succumbed to a roast beef sandwich one day, but I digress.

OJ will be in the can for the remainder of his miserable life. I think that will pretty much put the matter to rest for the Browns and the Goldmans. Life in prison is all he would have gotten in L.A. had he been convicted.I don't beoieve that the death penalty was ever on the table in that case....IIRC.

I know that he was convicted for his crimes in Las Vegas and, of course, I do understand that he was acquitted in the original case. That said, it's a nice irony, isn't it? What goes around, etc.

:beer:

His appeal would have to be based on some form of error that leaves the conviction? What do you mean?

[bearwds]

This interview Simpson gave to Couric in June 2004 is worth the read; I have posted it before. Portrayal of mindset of Simpson and and some by Galanter.

Couric: “Some people might be surprised to learn that the subject of their [Sydney & Justin] mother's death and murder and the terrible circumstances surrounding that, that they have never ever come up in 10 years?”

Simpson: “Never come up in 10 years.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5137198/
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WoW Guernica.... Quite the interview, especially in the context of recent events. Thanx.


bearwds

[sunstar]

General Question

Like I said before - I wasn't in on the first trial (Nicole and Ron), but now know of the acquittal in the murders and the guilty in the civil trial.

When one is guilty in a civil trial; does that, in any way, imply the original verdict had to have been incorrect? That truly confuses me.:shrug:

I'm no legal expert at all, but I understand the burden of proof is lower in civil court (preponderance of evidence) and not the "reasonable doubt" that has to be proved in a criminal case. In my opinion the civil judgment against OJ meant the civil jury believed he was responsible for Ron & Nicole's death.

[Cornblossom]

Originally Posted by legalmania
I'm pretty sure. It is the only option I can see of. They don't keep you in the state of your conviction all the time. Most of the guys from watergate went there. I worked as a paralegal for many years and saw many rich high profile cases go to the better prisons which will probably happen here. He still in prison that's what everybody wanted.


Don't mean to contradict but IMHO, he wll stay in Nevada in a state prison. Given the nature of the crimes of which he was convicted and his notoriety, he will probably be in 23 hour lockdown. I doubt he would go to the general population. There are probably a number of prisoners that would enjoy getting rid of him.

Just MO, however. Men involved in Watergate were sent to Federal Prisons-as was Timothy McVeigh..that's why they went out of state.:seeya:

[cherylt]

Thank you for clarifying that! :) I didn't think the media had exaggerated that much from what I've heard and read today.

Yeah, the media has even said up to 23 years. I don't think he'll actually do LIFE or anything like that, even though that could end up happening, depending upon how healthy OJ is... Judge Glass is not going to give him a lesser sentence than the minimum, which is as I stated before, 15 years. Now, I don't know if he can serve 80% of the total time he is given before he can get out, or if it is straight time. Not familiar w/ Nevada law. Anyone know an answer on that? Is 15 years (if given that) strictly 15 or do you get "good time" and all the carp...?

[lab_geek]

From my legal experience I know OJ will probably go Eglin Air Force Base where they will keep him nice and cozy, and probably improve his handycap, until his appeal is heard. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton will get involved to pay for another dream team, who will get him and C.J. off with time served and maybe probation. The Goldmans are screwed because they really won't see a penny now. Ruccio will be running for his life because Beardsley is probably wanting to go a few rounds with him. I really believe OJ and CJ will come out smelling like a rose.


Why would he go to Eglin AFB in Northwest Florida? He was tried by the State of Nevada. He will spend his time in Nevada's lovely state prison system.

[sunstar]

Yeah, the media has even said up to 23 years. I don't think he'll actually do LIFE or anything like that, even though that could end up happening, depending upon how healthy OJ is... Judge Glass is not going to give him a lesser sentence than the minimum, which is as I stated before, 15 years. Now, I don't know if he can serve 80% of the total time he is given before he can get out, or if it is straight time. Not familiar w/ Nevada law. Anyone know an answer on that? Is 15 years (if given that) strictly 15 or do you get "good time" and all the carp...?

I don't think he'll get a life sentence from the judge but that may turn out to be what it is depending on how many years he is sentenced to. He's 61 y/o now, so adding the minimum 15 years, he'd be 76 if he is still alive then. And prison isn't the healthiest place to be, imo. I asked earlier the same question about how many years would need to be served before parole. :)

[trich]

His appeal would have to be based on some form of error that leaves the conviction? What do you mean?



means that there has to be a LEGAL REASON for an appeal to be granted.
If a legal process was not properly executed .

[DRJAN]

I know everyone is saying that this is the pay back for OJ for getting off with murder 13 years ago. Let's think about this, Nevada has a law stating that if someone has your property you can not take the law into your own hands. Which he admitted on tape. And that he didn't call the police and say that he was OJ Simpson and that someone may have my property which I would like to get back. But no he hatched this plan and the rest is history. OJ has gotten out of trouble numerous times. How many times can you commit a crime before you finally get caught and prosecuted. And then you are found guilty. Also the appeals will be flying starting Monday I am sure.

[RGG]

I'm no legal expert at all, but I understand the burden of proof is lower in civil court (preponderance of evidence) and not the "reasonable doubt" that has to be proved in a criminal case. In my opinion the civil judgment against OJ meant the civil jury believed he was responsible for Ron & Nicole's death.

TYVM Sunstar. I'd never have figured that out.

[trich]

Why would he go to Eglin AFB in Northwest Florida? He was tried by the State of Nevada. He will spend his time in Nevada's lovely state prison system.


Exactly ..he was not convicted in Federal court of a Federal crime....was he?

[sunstar]

TYVM Sunstar. I'd never have figured that out.

You're most welcome :) I'm just repeating what I've heard!

[bearwds]

[QUOTE=DRJAN Also the appeals will be flying starting Monday I am sure. ...<RESPECTFUL SNIP>>
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Actually, I totally unconcerned with appeal filings.

He is being held with no bail until sentencing on the 5th. Appeals take years.

He is off the streets which I find more satisfying.

How many trials do you know of where the perp is on tape planning the crime, executing it and bragging afterwards ??

He sunk his own ship.

BTW....anyone going to watch Fred Goldman interview tonight on CNN ?? Time is 11pm Eastern and 8pm Pacific.


bearwds

[Cornblossom]

Exactly ..he was not convicted in Federal court of a Federal crime....was he?
BINGO!!!!
Persons convicted of murder, burglary, or larceny/theft are most likely to be sent to a state prison. If the crime is a federal offense or was committed outside a state jurisdiction, the offender can be sentenced to a federal prison. Federal offenses include crimes that:

Are committed against a federal institution (bank, post office, or federally insured credit union) or a federal officer (FBI, Drug Enforcement Administration, or U.S. Treasury agent).
Are committed on the high seas, on government reservations or territories, or in other areas under federal jurisdiction, such as Washington, D.C.
Involve crossing state lines (kidnapping or transporting stolen automobiles, for example).
Involve interstate crime, such as telephone or mail fraud.
http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/472/Sentencing-Corrections-STATE-FEDERAL-PRISONS.html

[legalmania]

Don't mean to contradict but IMHO, he will stay in Nevada in a state prison. Given the nature of the crimes of which he was convicted and his notoriety, he will probably be in 23 hour lockdown. I doubt he would go to the general population. There are probably a number of prisoners that would enjoy getting rid of him.

Just MO, however.

I'm not gonna say what I think anymore because I don't know, you don't know nobody knows, what is gonna happen is gonna happen. I got way to much work to do and I just can't waste anymore time on somebody I don't know. I spent way to many nights awake worrying about cases when I worked as a paralegal, that is why I moved to Georgia to breath fresh air and get my new life stated, and right now that is trying to find books that don't exist.

[eagleeer]

There is a misconception about OJ's NFL pension. He played from 1969 to 1979, 9 years for the Bills and 1 yer with the 49ers. The NFL pension plan is $200 per month for each year played. So after playing for 10 years he receives @ $2000.00 per month from the NFL. He has a private pension plan through Orinthal Enterprises, (companies he owned) estimated to be worth 4 million dollars from which he draws $28,000.00 per month for a total of $30,000.00 per month. Look at this link. The NFL pension plan is an embarrasment.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20060205/ai_n16051969

[sunstar]

Actually, I totally unconcerned with appeal filings.

He is being held with no bail until sentencing on the 5th. Appeals take years.

He is off the streets which I find more satisfying.

How many trials do you know of where the perp is on tape planning the crime, executing it and bragging afterwards ??

He sunk his own ship.

BTW....anyone going to watch Fred Goldman interview tonight on CNN ?? Time is 11pm Eastern and 8pm Pacific.


bearwds
Yes I definitely plan on staying up to see Mr. Goldman. :) I agree, this is all OJ's doing and he got caught. As it's been said before, anybody else would've been convicted too. MOO

[psbperu]

You're welcome; glad you took the time to read it. I've read it several times and can't help but think if only he was able to put his rage and ego on the bottom rung, he could have still been living the good life. His violence and uncontrollable anger go back to his later playing days. Maybe the fact that he was able to skate for so long by turning on his affable and charming face made him truly believe he could do anything he wanted without facing the consequences.

* * * * * * *

Good to see you, gnm109; glad to see you posting on this thread.

Thanks for the link, read the whole interview. Katie did a good job, her questions were certainly to the point & she went for more depth by repeating some of them towards the end of the interview.

I wasn't surprised by Simpson admitting that his celebrity brought privileges such as not paying for services or jumping the line whether its at the Vatican or a restaurant etc. (my words, not his exact words).

The elephant in the room is of course the death of the children's mother & his subsequent murder trial (ng) & then the civil trial (g).
I wonder how supportive his children have been during this trial, even though I am curious I wouldn't want anyone to approach them about this. It is really none of my business & would be an invasion of their privacy.

Thanks again, great link!

[Lyndawitha"Y]

BINGO!!!!
Persons convicted of murder, burglary, or larceny/theft are most likely to be sent to a state prison. If the crime is a federal offense or was committed outside a state jurisdiction, the offender can be sentenced to a federal prison. Federal offenses include crimes that:

Are committed against a federal institution (bank, post office, or federally insured credit union) or a federal officer (FBI, Drug Enforcement Administration, or U.S. Treasury agent).
Are committed on the high seas, on government reservations or territories, or in other areas under federal jurisdiction, such as Washington, D.C.
Involve crossing state lines (kidnapping or transporting stolen automobiles, for example).
Involve interstate crime, such as telephone or mail fraud.
http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/472/Sentencing-Corrections-STATE-FEDERAL-PRISONS.html

No one has answered my question..at least from what I have read here..I asked " How can convicted Felon's on State Criminal Convictions" of a violent crimes qualify for "Club Fed"? I just dont get that equation...Just askin??

LMS:confused:

[sunstar]

There is a misconception about OJ's NFL pension. He played from 1969 to 1979, 9 years for the Bills and 1 yer with the 49ers. The NFL pension plan is $200 per month for each year played. So after playing for 10 years he receives @ $2000.00 per month from the NFL. He has a private pension plan through Orinthal Enterprises, (companies he owned) estimated to be worth 4 million dollars from which he draws $28,000.00 per month for a total of $30,000.00 per month. Look at this link. The NFL pension plan is an embarrasment.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20060205/ai_n16051969

Well the NFL pension seems to be based on salary at the time he played. It doesn't seem that unfair, imo. By today's going rate for players it would be much higher, wouldn't it? I'm not seeing anything about that mentioned in the linked article. :shrug:

[sunstar]

No one has answered my question..at least from what I have read here..I asked " How can convicted Felon's on State Criminal Convictions" of a violent crimes qualify for "Club Fed"? I just dont get that equation...Just askin??

LMS:confused:

I can't see how he'd be housed in a Federal prison when it was the State of Nevada that convicted him.

[JBL]

Why would he go to Eglin AFB in Northwest Florida? He was tried by the State of Nevada. He will spend his time in Nevada's lovely state prison system.

I thought Club FED at Elgin closed. Besides those Clubs I mean prisons are normally reserved for white collar crimes and people of the elite classes.

OJ Simpson fits none of that.

[RGG]

That is SO sad. Hope You posted that on the Links - answers alot of posters questions. I thought Nichole had a little estate: I thought she owned the condo. She was only 18 when she married OJ so she sure would not have much SS to leave. I know that the Brown family have helped Sydney with college expenses 'cause OJ offered very little
(25%). And that stuff about the Goldmans. If true, I'm speechless.

Thanks for the reminder SNOWBIRD - just posted it there.
It's a shame Goldman and Brown cannot get along.

[Cornblossom]

No one has answered my question..at least from what I have read here..I asked " How can convicted Felon's on State Criminal Convictions" of a violent crimes qualify for "Club Fed"? I just dont get that equation...Just askin??

LMS:confused:
if you commit a state crime you go to state prison NOT federal Prison...if you commit a federal crime you go to Federal prison.Sometimes....if the state can't convict someone..the Feds come in and prove that a persons rights was violated..making the crime a federal crime.,,then the violaters get sent to a federal Prison...but for a federal crime not a state one.
OJ will NOT go to a federal Prison!! It doesn't matter if his kids are close or not...I've seen prisoners kids across the continent from them..they never see them until they get out or the child flies in to see them.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I can't see how he'd be housed in a Federal prison when it was the State of Nevada that convicted him.

I agree Sunstar..it's just that some posters feel sure he will be sent to Eglin ..Fla.."club Fed" cause he's high profile cause thats close to his family..cause???I didnt get that..but then again Im not American..and not sure about legal possibilities...Same goes for those that feel he could get pardoned by the President..Cause he is such an upstanding citizen??I didnt get that either..Geesh, I dont know..sometimes I wonder just where some get their viewpoints????

Not pointing at you in anyway...just sometimes I dont understand."Doesnt Compute" in my wee brain!

LMS:confused:

[bearwds]

No one has answered my question..at least from what I have read here..I asked " How can convicted Felon's on State Criminal Convictions" of a violent crimes qualify for "Club Fed"? I just dont get that equation...Just askin??

LMS:confused:
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State court conviction.

He's not going anywhere.

...prob has to do with something about States rights. Feds can't swoop in and place a prisoner in a cushy barred hotel.


bearwds

[legalmania]

This is the last I am going to speak of this when you have pull anything can be accomplished:
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761573083_2/prison.html

[JBL]

Pray tell OJ has PULL? I think not.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

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State court conviction.

He's not going anywhere.

...prob has to do with something about States rights. Feds can't swoop in and place a prisoner in a cushy barred hotel.


bearwds

Thanks to you Bearwds and Cornblossom..I agree with all you guys said..and just questioned some posters who typed with such voracity..LOL...I just feel in my bones that this conviction of Oj is just the beginning of his implosion...not only is he going to go to jail...his deceit for the past is eventually going to get exposed!!..

I truly wish the best for Justin and Sydney..they deserve to know the truth..and move on and live long productive lives..I do pray for them!!
As for the rest of the parasites..they can go you now where..as far as I am concerned!!

LMS:seeya:

[sunstar]

I agree Sunstar..it's just that some posters feel sure he will be sent to Eglin ..Fla.."club Fed" cause he's high profile cause thats close to his family..cause???I didnt get that..but then again Im not American..and not sure about legal possibilities...Same goes for those that feel he could get pardoned by the President..Cause he is such an upstanding citizen??I didnt get that either..Geesh, I dont know..sometimes I wonder just where some get their viewpoints????

Not pointing at you in anyway...just sometimes I dont understand."Doesnt Compute" in my wee brain!

LMS:confused:

Oh I understand completely how you'd be confused!! :) And no, he won't be pardoned by President Bush either, that would be up to the Governor of Nevada. Even if Bush could pardon him, I sure don't think he would!! He's not known to spare those on death row while he was Governor of Texas and I don't think he's a member of OJ's fan club either. :D

[sunstar]

You're welcome; always pleased to hear from someone that my links were helpful and informative.

As for Simpson's 2 children by Nicole, I agree wholeheartedly they deserve their privacy. Frankly, I hope they are using different names now that they are adults and in college. These young adults have had a very difficult childhood and should not be affected in any way due to their father's notoriety.

I too pray Justin and Sydney are able to lead productive, quiet lives and it may be possible now that their father will be a part of their lives only upon receiving mail, collect phone calls or if they choose, visiting him in prison in Nevada. MOO

[Cornblossom]

Pray tell OJ has PULL? I think not.
:lol: ITA..if he had "pull" he wouldn't have gone to trial-would he? LOL

[JBL]

Some appeal issues Yales spouting:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-10-03-oj-simpson-trial_N.htm

Outside the courtroom, Galanter said he was not surprised at the conviction following the three week trial. He said he would appeal the verdict on a variety of grounds including the way the all-white jury was selected, saying it was a "fairness issue."

Ah the race card appeal ---Sorry Yale but Sir, you are no Johnny Cochran and just because it worked once you can't keep using it.

He said he believed jurors were never able to set aside feelings about Simpson stemming from the 1995 murder trial.
"Everybody already had a fixed opinion about him, and it's troubling," Galanter said.

Asking that OJ can never be tried for breaking any law EVER. Never can get a fair trial. :rolleyes:

Another Simpson attorney, Gabriel Grasso of Las Vegas, said he knew from the start that a Nevada jury spelled trouble for Simpson. "The motto for juries out here is, 'when in doubt, convict.' That's just the way it is," Grasso said.

Nevada's a hanging state - outlaw all trials there :rolleyes:

Galanter voiced amazement at the coincidence of timing of the verdict, 13 years to the day after the 1995 verdict. "It is amazing to me how the stars aligned," he said.

My favorite appeal - The alignment of the stars conspiracy
:lol:

[AnnInOhio]

I'm not gonna say what I think anymore because I don't know, you don't know nobody knows, what is gonna happen is gonna happen. I got way to much work to do and I just can't waste anymore time on somebody I don't know. I spent way to many nights awake worrying about cases when I worked as a paralegal, that is why I moved to Georgia to breath fresh air and get my new life stated, and right now that is trying to find books that don't exist.

You seem to ignore my posts quoting what the person hired by the Court to answer the question said. He said OJ would undergo a pre-sentence investigation report, including a psych exam, and would be placed in a Nevada prison based on the findings of that report.

[bearwds]

[QUOTE=Guernica;12233043][QUOTE=bearwds;12232950]
.............................<<SNIPPY-SNIP>>

I even saw Mr. Goldman and his daughter, Kim, on Dr. Phil, thanks to people who post here. I never watch his show. I thought they conducted themselves with dignity, especially when Mike Gilbert was brought out to sit across from them.
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Really..? Missed that. Did Fred slip a whoopee cushion under Gilbert's seat ??

Was that the show that Gilbert promised to reveal the location of secreted property and off-shore accounts ??

If he does that, my estimation of him goes up a notch.


bearwds

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Some appeal issues Yales spouting:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-10-03-oj-simpson-trial_N.htm

Outside the courtroom, Galanter said he was not surprised at the conviction following the three week trial. He said he would appeal the verdict on a variety of grounds including the way the all-white jury was selected, saying it was a "fairness issue."

Ah the race card appeal ---Sorry Yale but Sir, you are no Johnny Cochran and just because it worked once you can't keep using it.

He said he believed jurors were never able to set aside feelings about Simpson stemming from the 1995 murder trial.
"Everybody already had a fixed opinion about him, and it's troubling," Galanter said.

Asking that OJ can never be tried for breaking any law EVER. Never can get a fair trial. :rolleyes:

Another Simpson attorney, Gabriel Grasso of Las Vegas, said he knew from the start that a Nevada jury spelled trouble for Simpson. "The motto for juries out here is, 'when in doubt, convict.' That's just the way it is," Grasso said.

Nevada's a hanging state - outlaw all trials there :rolleyes:

Galanter voiced amazement at the coincidence of timing of the verdict, 13 years to the day after the 1995 verdict. "It is amazing to me how the stars aligned," he said.

My favorite appeal - The alignment of the stars conspiracy
:lol:
Very Nice Breakdown JBL..My sentiments also//Cheers!!

It's amazing how advocates will spew anything..tho rediculous after the fact!11 Where was their confidence..as they spewed at prelim??

LMS

[eagleeer]

No one has answered my question..at least from what I have read here..I asked " How can convicted Felon's on State Criminal Convictions" of a violent crimes qualify for "Club Fed"? I just dont get that equation...Just askin??

LMS:confused:

Because there is State to State and State to Federal cooperation. They reimburse each other especially for hight profile cases. Years ago when someone was convicted of non violent crimes like fraud, embezlement etc. a lot of prisoners were sent to McNiel Island Federal Penitentiary in Washington State. Years ago there were many high profile prisoners sent there from all over the country. It was completely self sufficient. It was deeded to the State and was renamed McNiel Island Corrections Center and is now used mainly for instate prisoners. Go to Google Maps and look at the satellite view, it is a beautiful island.

http://www.doc.wa.gov/facilities/mcneil.asp

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=mcneil%20island&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

[Cornblossom]

Some appeal issues Yales spouting:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-10-03-oj-simpson-trial_N.htm

Outside the courtroom, Galanter said he was not surprised at the conviction following the three week trial. He said he would appeal the verdict on a variety of grounds including the way the all-white jury was selected, saying it was a "fairness issue."

Ah the race card appeal ---Sorry Yale but Sir, you are no Johnny Cochran and just because it worked once you can't keep using it.

He said he believed jurors were never able to set aside feelings about Simpson stemming from the 1995 murder trial.
"Everybody already had a fixed opinion about him, and it's troubling," Galanter said.

Asking that OJ can never be tried for breaking any law EVER. Never can get a fair trial. :rolleyes:

Another Simpson attorney, Gabriel Grasso of Las Vegas, said he knew from the start that a Nevada jury spelled trouble for Simpson. "The motto for juries out here is, 'when in doubt, convict.' That's just the way it is," Grasso said.

Nevada's a hanging state - outlaw all trials there :rolleyes:

Galanter voiced amazement at the coincidence of timing of the verdict, 13 years to the day after the 1995 verdict. "It is amazing to me how the stars aligned," he said.

My favorite appeal - The alignment of the stars conspiracy
:lol:
IMO if a lawyer feels his/her client can't get a fair jury trial,they should ask for a bench trial.

[JBL]

Money, and the possibility of favors for people from friends on the outside adds up to "PULL" to me. Why do you think not?
He has the resources to take care of getting what he wants. And he'll be in there with his "peers". Maybe even some of the people who were dancing in the streets after his last big trial. People flocked to his autograph signings even in recent years. I've even heard one can bribe some guards in some prisons (oh no, that can't be true lol) OJ has plenty of fans, sad to say. And even plenty of non-fans who just want to make a buck. It all adds up to PULL.

HUH?

Pull from low lives, pull from fans maybe which add up to nothing. From what I read OJ is toxic. No one of any upper echelon of society will be willing to go to bat for him.

I believe his last signing was at a horror picture convention. How much pull did it take to get him that gig?

[Lyndawitha"Y]

:confused:
It sure sounds as if you need to take a big deep breath of your Georgia fresh air and concentrate on finding those books that don't exist.

Have a pleasant evening!:seeya:

LOL..G>>>>>>

LMS:seeya:

[JBL]

IMO if a lawyer feels his/her client can't get a fair jury trial,they should ask for a bench trial.

After the trial ends and a verdict is reached which you don't like isn't the time to ask for a bench trial either.

OOH I know, how about OJ filing ineffective counsel - legal malpractice against Yale. heh heh

[Lyndawitha"Y]

[QUOTE=bearwds;12233141][QUOTE=Guernica;12233043]
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Yes, that very one. Can't remember which Goldman responded something on the order of ... well, you could just have written us or our attorney the list of all those storage lockers, where they are, and under whose name they are in, etc.

Both Goldman's were hugely unimpressed by Gilbert's near tearful apology as was I. If he wanted to lift that huge weight off his conscience, he could have brought the dam list and handed it to them on the air.

I am of two minds on Mike Gilbert ( whoops isnt that skizo/bipolar??) and that is that he has seen the light and his life cycle coming to an end.and the other is he will hold back specifics (aka..Rizzio) in order to obtain immunity..But Either way, this "CAN OF WORMS" is going to get exposed!!! Sooner, rather than later..is my hope!!

LMS:o

I dont blame the Goldman's for their attitude..as they (and the Browns less publically) have had to endure over a decade of ridicule, lies, duping, smoke screens from OJ and his enablers..and dont feel much empathy for Gilbert's remorse!!

LMS:punch:

[JBL]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-react5-2008oct05,0,6002756.story

"Outside McDonald's on Crenshaw Boulevard, Hank Myles said Simpson never had a shot at a fair trial.

"If they would have had some blacks, he would have won, or at least it would have been deadlocked," said Myles, 78, a retired post office worker. "With all the black people in Las Vegas, they could have gotten some of them [on the jury].""


UNBELIEVABLE! Blacks would have "sprung him"? GEEZ!

[llylabrat]

[QUOTE=bearwds;12233141][QUOTE=Guernica;12233043]
.........................

Yes, that very one. Can't remember which Goldman responded something on the order of ... well, you could just have written us or our attorney the list of all those storage lockers, where they are, and under whose name they are in, etc.

Both Goldman's were hugely unimpressed by Gilbert's near tearful apology as was I. If he wanted to lift that huge weight off his conscience, he could have brought the dam list and handed it to them on the air.

Wouldn't that have opened Gilbert up to some legal trouble? He was OJs manager or something.

An earlier post mentioned Sharpton & whats-his-name getting involved resulting in OJ getting time served or probation. I do not think Judge Glass would ever sentence him to probation....at least I hope not.

One last thought...Just think: we have that w.h..o...r...e Riccio to thank for all this.

[bearwds]

After the trial ends and a verdict is reached which you don't like isn't the time to ask for a bench trial either.

OOH I know, how about OJ filing ineffective counsel - legal malpractice against Yale. heh heh
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How about filing against Yale because he is white ??

Push the race card.

...come to think of it, not a good idea. Yale got OJ out of the road rage case. Heck, Yale looked after Simpson. Sorta like the attorney who always accompanied Hunter Thompson (as your attorney, I advise you....)


bearwds

[JBL]

[QUOTE=Guernica;12233222][QUOTE=bearwds;12233141]

Wouldn't that have opened Gilbert up to some legal trouble? He was OJs manager or something.

An earlier post mentioned Sharpton & whats-his-name getting involved resulting in OJ getting time served or probation. I do not think Judge Glass would ever sentence him to probation....at least I hope not.

One last thought...Just think: we have that w.h..o...r...e Riccio to thank for all this.

Gilbert has opened himself to legal trouble. His attorney was on the show with him (well not on the show front row as his lawyer) They both understand the ramifications of Gilberts actions and they're ready to meet them head on.

Gilbert knew that stuff was going to come out into the picture, knew where it came from and how it was obtained and it would have only been a matter of time before he was subpeonaed by the Goldmans due to this LV caper. He came forward instead of waiting for them to come after him.

And last but not least. I would like to thank Riccio. Without him this would have stayed underground for years to come.

[sunstar]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-react5-2008oct05,0,6002756.story

"Outside McDonald's on Crenshaw Boulevard, Hank Myles said Simpson never had a shot at a fair trial.

"If they would have had some blacks, he would have won, or at least it would have been deadlocked," said Myles, 78, a retired post office worker. "With all the black people in Las Vegas, they could have gotten some of them [on the jury].""


UNBELIEVABLE! Blacks would have "sprung him"? GEEZ!
OMG ~ not again!!! :(

[Lyndawitha"Y]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-react5-2008oct05,0,6002756.story

"Outside McDonald's on Crenshaw Boulevard, Hank Myles said Simpson never had a shot at a fair trial.

"If they would have had some blacks, he would have won, or at least it would have been deadlocked," said Myles, 78, a retired post office worker. "With all the black people in Las Vegas, they could have gotten some of them [on the jury].""


UNBELIEVABLE! Blacks would have "sprung him"? GEEZ!


Who the heck is Hank Myles?..someone still fighting th Racial War?..Dont get it!?..OJ has not lived the regular Black American lifestyle..nor associated with "Black American" issues in the past half century..and this man feels that a Black Juror would have blocked a conviction of a proven conspirator..gun tooten..gang leading Robbery..I just cant swallow that..This was not a case of one word against another..but OJ's own voice and words proved his intentions and what actually happened and the direct emotional effect on the victims..So to allude a Black juror would have allowed a thug to escape conviction is absolutely contrary to Justice as I understand it!! This is definately not a case of railroad, confabulation of evidence.nor framing my LE or planted evidence to get a conviction!!

Wake up world..Right is right..wrong is wrong and the culprates were caught red handed..prosecuted and judged by a jury..then convicted..this was NOT A LINCHING at a tree in the back 40 but a lawfull, properly represented defendent (s) and found GUILTY..Kudos for justice!!

LMS

[bearwds]

NO no no (my Judge Glass impersonation heh heh). You are right. OJ didn't have any black counsel. What's up with that? How could he truly be defended by that team of caucasions? Same with the Judge too! Geez! Surrounded by the "man".

Where's Jessie? Where's Al?

:patriot:
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Heck...dig up Johnie Cochran.


THAT's the one who would have gotten him off.


bearwds

[AnnInOhio]

[QUOTE=Guernica;12233222][QUOTE=bearwds;12233141]

Wouldn't that have opened Gilbert up to some legal trouble? He was OJs manager or something.

An earlier post mentioned Sharpton & whats-his-name getting involved resulting in OJ getting time served or probation. I do not think Judge Glass would ever sentence him to probation....at least I hope not.

One last thought...Just think: we have that w.h..o...r...e Riccio to thank for all this.

Judge Glass can't sentence him to probation. Armed Robbery is not a probationable offense in Nevada.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

My post #851 is responding to Lynda's #846 but it shows that I am replying to poster 'bearwds.'

What the heck is happening? Am I losing it? This is too weird!

It's ok G....sometimes peeps dont go to quote bracket..and start posting..and double click..whatever..as long as you dont misquote me Im a happy camper...LOL..Take a chilpill and a deep breath..and start again..No worries...love that term!!

LMS:biggrin:

[AnnInOhio]

And just sit him up at the defense table? ewwwwwwwww!

Yale could have gotten a life-sized Johnnie Cochran doll made to sit on his lap (which would keep him in his seat much to the pleasure of Judge Glass) with a pull string so he can make the doll say phrases such as "If it's OJ's **** you must acquit". At least for closing argument!

[llylabrat]

[QUOTE=llylabrat;12233311][QUOTE=Guernica;12233222]

Gilbert has opened himself to legal trouble. His attorney was on the show with him (well not on the show front row as his lawyer) They both understand the ramifications of Gilberts actions and they're ready to meet them head on.

Gilbert knew that stuff was going to come out into the picture, knew where it came from and how it was obtained and it would have only been a matter of time before he was subpeonaed by the Goldmans due to this LV caper. He came forward instead of waiting for them to come after him.

And last but not least. I would like to thank Riccio. Without him this would have stayed underground for years to come.


I think Gilbert deserves to pay for the things he's done. Apologies aren't enough.

[llylabrat]

[QUOTE=llylabrat;12233311][QUOTE=Guernica;12233222]

Judge Glass can't sentence him to probation. Armed Robbery is not a probationable offense in Nevada.


Good! Thanks for reminding me of that. ;)

[Cornblossom]

Did anyone notice that OJ was facing the clerk when she started reading the verdict form,but as soon as she said "Guilty"...he turned his back to her?

[NatalieB]

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Heck...dig up Johnie Cochran.


THAT's the one who would have gotten him off.


bearwds

I don't think so. He's went on the record that he regretted ever defending OJ. IMO, he's probably smiling in his grave, too.

[llylabrat]

Did anyone notice that OJ was facing the clerk when she started reading the verdict form,but as soon as she said "Guilty"...he turned his back to her?I noticed! And I took it as turning to face the jury...he seemed to get angrier with every "guilty" Some said he looked resigned, I think he was pizzed. I just know if he were a free man he would have started arguing with them.

[llylabrat]

Oh, thank heavens! I was afraid LegalMania's affliction was contagious.

And with that, I will say bye for now. I've enjoyed reading all the postings today and having access to different viewpoints.

That is because in my circle of friends, neighbors, relatives, 99% give a big HUH? when I try to discuss the Simpson and Stewart trial.

Believe me, folks, very few people care about Simpson -- they all have much more important things going on in their lives that merit their attention.

You are right. Most people didn't care about this trial. Riccio got blown off by Howard Stern, yet he told TruTv that "as soon as I defended OJ, I was cut off." He will never be able to recognize the truth!

[bearwds]

It's ok G....sometimes peeps dont go to quote bracket..and start posting..and double click..whatever..as long as you dont misquote me Im a happy camper...LOL..Take a chilpill and a deep breath..and start again..No worries...love that term!!

LMS:biggrin:
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Thank you. The 1st time I saw that I freaked a little bit.

I have enough weird views...don't need any that aren't mine...lol


bearwds

[cherylt]

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Heck...dig up Johnie Cochran.


THAT's the one who would have gotten him off.


bearwds

If Yell (like that one Lynda) felt race was going to be an issue, why didn't he ask for a bench trial? He could have also requested an African American judge, to boot. Guess what? He still would have been guilty with the mountain of evidence against him. Yell counted on jury trial instead to get someone on there who likes OJ and couldn't convict because he seems "so charming". A judge can and will only look at all the laws that were broken (or not)...

[cherylt]

I don't think so. He's went on the record that he regretted ever defending OJ. IMO, he's probably smiling in his grave, too.

Just curious, when was that? I know he had a show w/ Nancy Grace for a while & she would give him a hard time about the OJ trial & he stood by him the whole time. Did he say that years later in life right before he died? I never heard he regretted it...

[barskin&co.]

IMO he should have already been sitting in prison on death row, however, listen to his voice on those tapes how he "ordered" everyone not to let anyone leave that room. If a bunch of punks had done all of that, they would have never gotten out on bail! OJ was very intimidating on those tapes. He deserves what he gets for this crime, it has nothing to do with the other.

Yes. That is the point. OJ did commit the crimes he was charged with. And if you think these crimes were trivial, imagine a bunch of thugs with guns bursting into a room you are in holding you captive and ordering you to give them whatever they demanded. These are serious crimes, for which Simpson has been rightfully convicted. If he can't do time, he shouldn't do crime.

[bearwds]

Yale could have gotten a life-sized Johnnie Cochran doll made to sit on his lap (which would keep him in his seat much to the pleasure of Judge Glass) with a pull string so he can make the doll say phrases such as "If it's OJ's **** you must acquit". At least for closing argument!
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Instead of "If it's OJ's, you must acquit", how about something that rhymes..??

"If it's OJ, you must belay" <<-------said with a pirate accent.

Speaking about the notice of OJ when found guilty, anyone notice the glance OJ gave Yale..?? Reminded me of Kardashian.


bearwds

[sunstar]

If Yell (like that one Lynda) felt race was going to be an issue, why didn't he ask for a bench trial? He could have also requested an African American judge, to boot. Guess what? He still would have been guilty with the mountain of evidence against him. Yell counted on jury trial instead to get someone on there who likes OJ and couldn't convict because he seems "so charming". A judge can and will only look at all the laws that were broken (or not)...

And if he didn't want to risk a conviction, he shouldn't have gone there to Nevada and committed a crime. It's that simple, imo. :)

[barskin&co.]

Oh contraire Mon Ami. (and eeeeeeeeeew, again)

Yale broke Cochrans first rule - give me 1 African American on the jury.

The race card is the only way to get him off. Detracts from the actual crime and evidence.

Yeah, but JBL, as far as the jury was concerned, the lynchhpin of the 1994 defense was missing. The jury was not mad at the Las Vegas police for beating up Rodney King.

[cherylt]

And if he didn't want to risk a conviction, he shouldn't have gone there to Nevada and committed a crime. It's that simple, imo. :)

Oh...yeah... then there's that too! :)

[sunstar]

I'm glad Dominick Dunne lives to see the verdict.

I hope he'll be able to make a statement. I know he is ill.



:rose:

Bless his heart, I'm glad too, even though it wasn't for Ron & Nicole's murder. :)

[bearwds]

Yeah, but JBL, as far as the jury was concerned, the lynchhpin of the 1994 defense was missing. The jury was not mad at the Las Vegas police for beating up Rodney King.
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Hey... Rodney is still alive. Just googled him and last entry was in November 27, 2007. Found it on TammyBruce with a dot, com.

Maybe a bus ticket to LV might have been just the solution.


bearwds

[bearwds]

:lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHfkZ-pCFvg&watch_response
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Really funny JBL. Obviously made by a YouTuber with time on their hands.


bearwds

[sunstar]

:lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHfkZ-pCFvg&watch_response

That was very funny!! :biggrin:

[gaelicpeas]

Didn't I hear Loni and Marta on KTLA last night say that they would be doing a complete wrap-up of the OJ trial tonight? What time is that on? Is it 7 or 8 pm pacific time?

[Lyndawitha"Y]

If Yell (like that one Lynda) felt race was going to be an issue, why didn't he ask for a bench trial? He could have also requested an African American judge, to boot. Guess what? He still would have been guilty with the mountain of evidence against him. Yell counted on jury trial instead to get someone on there who likes OJ and couldn't convict because he seems "so charming". A judge can and will only look at all the laws that were broken (or not)...

LOL..Cheryl.....:seeya:

[bearwds]

...off topic

WOO---with another WOO...

One thousandth Post.

---->>Waiting for the balloon and confetti to rain down from above.

Started Posting on IS about 14 months ago during PS-1 trial. I have really enjoy posting with you folks and thank you for enduring mine.

Olde daze...Used to get a funny hat and a "Senior Member" tag. Now it's just a "Senior Moments" event.


bearwds

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I'm glad Dominick Dunne lived to see the verdict.

I hope he'll be able to make a statement. I know he is ill.



:rose:

For sure forensicpsy..I am thankful he witnessed OJ's being held accountable finally..God Bless our fav "Dom":rose:

LMS:tongue:

[BobbisAngel]

I am so happy with this verdict. I honestly thought he would get away with yet another crime. Thank God the jury studied the evidence and had some common sense and weren't afraid to use it.

The look on his face was worth a million dollars. He sure wasn't cocky this time around. I hate to look at the video of him being aquitted 13 years ago. I was just furious. If there had been different players at the murder trial he would have been found guilty. The creeps blood was everywhere including his own vehicle and in his home. But thanks to Dr. Lee...who hasn't been heard from in a long time...lying on the stand...having lousy prosecutors...the dimwits didn't think to try on the rubber gloves under the leather ones before they agreed that OJ could try them on in court. Anyone with any sense would know that you can't slide leather over vinyl:cuss: I tried it and it doesn't work but the leather gloves will fit without the vinyl under it. Mark Furhman was a scapegoat in that trial. The excessive pounding on him took the focus away from OJ.

If my recall is correct it took the jury minutes to acquit the creep. Wasn't the jury all black at the murder trial? I think they had their minds made up from the beginning. There was tons of evidence at that trial. It seems everyone gave OJ a free pass at that trial including the dumb judge. So glad they ran out of free passes.

I really don't think that OJ thought he would be found guilty on all counts. He thought he was going to walk out again a free man. Well welcome to our world OJ. Why does everyone keep calling him a celebrity? He is an old has been football player and has been into nothing but trouble throughout the years. So glad the jurors looked straight through all of that celebrity bull. So glad justice was finally served.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

...off topic

WOO---with another WOO...

One thousandth Post.

---->>Waiting for the balloon and confetti to rain down from above.

Started Posting on IS about 14 months ago during PS-1 trial. I have really enjoy posting with you folks and thank you for enduring mine.

Olde daze...Used to get a funny hat and a "Senior Member" tag. Now it's just a "Senior Moments" event.


bearwds

Congrats to you..Congrats to you..Contrats to...:biggrin:..We really should get recognition for lasting 1000 milestone!!

LMS:beer:

[sunstar]

...off topic

WOO---with another WOO...

One thousandth Post.

---->>Waiting for the balloon and confetti to rain down from above.

Started Posting on IS about 14 months ago during PS-1 trial. I have really enjoy posting with you folks and thank you for enduring mine.

Olde daze...Used to get a funny hat and a "Senior Member" tag. Now it's just a "Senior Moments" event.


bearwds
Congratulations bearwds! :beer:

[AnnInOhio]

...off topic

WOO---with another WOO...

One thousandth Post.

---->>Waiting for the balloon and confetti to rain down from above.

Started Posting on IS about 14 months ago during PS-1 trial. I have really enjoy posting with you folks and thank you for enduring mine.

Olde daze...Used to get a funny hat and a "Senior Member" tag. Now it's just a "Senior Moments" event.


bearwds

Ah, for the good old days. Here's to 1000 great posts! :beer:

[Cornblossom]

...off topic

WOO---with another WOO...

One thousandth Post.

---->>Waiting for the balloon and confetti to rain down from above.

Started Posting on IS about 14 months ago during PS-1 trial. I have really enjoy posting with you folks and thank you for enduring mine.

Olde daze...Used to get a funny hat and a "Senior Member" tag. Now it's just a "Senior Moments" event.


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[Lyndawitha"Y]

So many nice posts..I want to respond to each and every one..Geesh..Yiks!!

Didnt I read earlier that Fred Goldman was going on TV with interview post trial..and I just surfed all news channels.Nadda!! Anyone have any idea when that interview is suppose to happen???Maybe tomorrow night..I thought it ws tonight!!..Rats!!

LMS:D

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I don't post often but I do read all your post. I guess I just wanted to most my 2 cents.

OJ's lawyers about admitted his guilt all through out the trail. I think any person who committed the crime would have been found guilty so I do believe the jury did their job...It's not black or white, it's not prior history. It's the laws of the USA.

It's the laws that OJ broke, plain as simple as it sounds that's the facts of this case. You or me could be exactly in OJ's shoes nothing more nothing less than the facts of breaking and committing a crime.

It does discuss me when race or a statis quote makes a difference about a persons history. I see this case and either you me or any other person, and it should not be any difference because of anything else.
It's always about race when a black person is involved.

It makes me sad that a race issue has to becomes an excuse for everything, everything about discrimination. Give the race a rest, I'm so tired of hearing about it all. Even with the Obana for president.
It makes no sense to me I don't see anyone any different by their skin color, and when will blacks see this and move onwards?

I say come up with a new excuse. Blacks as well as any other race do have the same opportunities as all. STOP hidding behind your race. STAND up for your race as well as my ancestors have done in this country.

It could have been me on trial and why would a jury see it different than the facts of this case.?

I believe the jury should be commended on their decision as I think It was correct.

Very nicely said..hopefully we can all move on..with blindfolds..and only see injustice..not race/color or creed when dealing with (life issues) crime!! :rose:

LMS

[sunstar]

So many nice posts..I want to respond to each and every one..Geesh..Yiks!!

Didnt I read earlier that Fred Goldman was going on TV with interview post trial..and I just surfed all news channels.Nadda!! Anyone have any idea when that interview is suppose to happen???Maybe tomorrow night..I thought it ws tonight!!..Rats!!

LMS:D

He's supposed to be on CNN Newsroom tonight at 11pm ET. :)

[bearwds]

I am so happy with this verdict. I honestly thought he would get away with yet another crime. Thank God the jury studied the evidence and had some common sense and weren't afraid to use it.

The look on his face was worth a million dollars. He sure wasn't cocky this time around. I hate to look at the video of him being acquitted 13 years ago. I was just furious. If there had been different players at the murder trial he would have been found guilty. The creeps blood was everywhere including his own vehicle and in his home. But thanks to Dr. Lee...who hasn't been heard from in a long time...lying on the stand...having lousy prosecutors...the dimwits didn't think to try on the rubber gloves under the leather ones before they agreed that OJ could try them on in court. Anyone with any sense would know that you can't slide leather over vinyl:cuss: I tried it and it doesn't work but the leather gloves will fit without the vinyl under it. Mark Furhman was a scapegoat in that trial. The excessive pounding on him took the focus away from OJ.

If my recall is correct it took the jury minutes to acquit the creep. Wasn't the jury all black at the murder trial? I think they had their minds made up from the beginning. There was tons of evidence at that trial. It seems everyone gave OJ a free pass at that trial including the dumb judge. So glad they ran out of free passes.

I really don't think that OJ thought he would be found guilty on all counts. He thought he was going to walk out again a free man. Well welcome to our world OJ. Why does everyone keep calling him a celebrity? He is an old has been football player and has been into nothing but trouble throughout the years. So glad the jurors looked straight through all of that celebrity bull. So glad justice was finally served.
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Hello BobbisAngel.... Excellent Post and I didn't want to cut a word of it.

Henry Lee was last seen about a year ago during the Phil Spector prelim trial. It was discovered a strange piece of material (believed to be a tooth fragment) was suddenly "misplaced". There was a witness that saw him with it. Judge Fidler admonished him in open court. Lee then disappeared from sight. Talk of him going overseas and doing some college teaching in US. Think he is about toast as far as his career goes.

It was 4 hours for verdict after a 9 month trial. Heck, a woman giving birth spends more time in labor than that. Nullification.

Celebrity...well, he was known for hacking to death 2 people. Oh yeah, he ran fast when football players tried to catch him. Certainly more than Paris Hilton for notoriety


bearwds

[psbperu]

Reminder:

Fred Goldman coming up on CNN at 11 p.m. ET

[Lyndawitha"Y]

He's supposed to be on CNN Newsroom tonight at 11pm ET. :)

TY sunstar..I will keep my peepers on the lookout..Ty again!

LMS:seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

Reminder:

Fred Goldman coming up on CNN at 11 p.m. ET

Thanks! I knew something was coming on soon.

[psbperu]

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Hello BobbisAngel.... Excellent Post and I didn't want to cut a word of it.

Henry Lee was last seen about a year ago during the Phil Spector prelim trial. It was discovered a strange piece of material (believed to be a tooth fragment) was suddenly "misplaced". There was a witness that saw him with it. Judge Fidler admonished him in open court. Lee then disappeared from sight. Talk of him going overseas and doing some college teaching in US. Think he is about toast as far as his career goes.

It was 4 hours for verdict after a 9 month trial. Heck, a woman giving birth spends more time in labor than that. Nullification.

Celebrity...well, he was known for hacking to death 2 people. Oh yeah, he ran fast when football players tried to catch him. Certainly more than Paris Hilton for notoriety


bearwds


I think there would have been a different outcome as far as the DNA evidence was concerned....if he had been put on trial today.

At that time DNA evidence was in its infancy...now it's accepted by most everyone, it has become part of our everyday language.

Today it would have been the nail in OJ's coffin.

[sunstar]

TY sunstar..I will keep my peepers on the lookout..Ty again!

LMS:seeya:

You're most welcome! :)

[bearwds]

Just a quick note to thank ya all for the congrats. And Corny, liked the party icon.


As one off-topic Poster used to say...."And now back to the trial"


bearwds

[sunstar]

I think there would have been a different outcome as far as the DNA evidence was concerned....if he had been put on trial today.

At that time DNA evidence was in its infancy...now it's accepted by most everyone, it has become part of our everyday language.

Today it would have been the nail in OJ's coffin.

I completely agree about DNA. Most people understand it a lot better now than 13 yrs. ago. Of course, a different judge who had more control over his courtroom, and moved the trial along more quickly and different prosecutors would've helped too. MOO

[cherylt]

...off topic

WOO---with another WOO...

One thousandth Post.

---->>Waiting for the balloon and confetti to rain down from above.

Started Posting on IS about 14 months ago during PS-1 trial. I have really enjoy posting with you folks and thank you for enduring mine.

Olde daze...Used to get a funny hat and a "Senior Member" tag. Now it's just a "Senior Moments" event.


bearwds

CONGRATS! :beer: It is a shame we don't get the Sr. Status anymore but we all know what it means.

(I'm a little suprised you haven't been banned by now. We all know how confrontational you are!) :) Obviously, just joshin' ya...

Congrats again. It's always a pleasure posting w/ you...:seeya:

[bearwds]

I think there would have been a different outcome as far as the DNA evidence was concerned....if he had been put on trial today.

At that time DNA evidence was in its infancy...now it's accepted by most everyone, it has become part of our everyday language.

Today it would have been the nail in OJ's coffin.
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Oh...I SO agree psbperu. The DNA evidence was close to the first used in a trial. I think Barry Sheck gave it. It was so complicated the eyeballs would spin @@.

It is now so standard that everyone has at least a passing notice of it.

Wouldn't have made any difference to that jury though. They already had their minds made up and their bus ticket punched.

bearwds

[cherylt]

So many nice posts..I want to respond to each and every one..Geesh..Yiks!!

Didnt I read earlier that Fred Goldman was going on TV with interview post trial..and I just surfed all news channels.Nadda!! Anyone have any idea when that interview is suppose to happen???Maybe tomorrow night..I thought it ws tonight!!..Rats!!

LMS:D

Tonight, 11 eastern, CNN Newsroom channel (202 if you have Direct TV)

[Attagirl]

This had nothing to do with the murder. If Joe Blow, neverfamous, noncelebrity, regular guy lures his old buddy to a hotel room to take back stuff that he thinks was stolen from him, along with a few other things, brings along armed thugs, he'll be right up there, same courtroom, same charges. And there was three times the evidence needed to convict Joe Blow right up there before this jury, uncontestable levels of evidence.

It's not about murder. It's about a celebrity committing a string of crimes, and finally on one of them, he is actually convicted, after getting away with some other crimes (obviously, IMO). And it's good to see that in the end, you can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time, even the best lucky streak has to end sometime, if you keep pushing your luck.

Don't act stupid. Of course, it's ALL about the murders. Who are you trying to kid? Do you think this stupid trial would have even been telecast if OJ hadn’t gotten off murder chargers 13 years ago? Do you think he wouldn't have been set up if he hadn’t gotten off murder chargers 13 years ago? If it had been anybody else, people would have been up in arms about the lousy set up and the sweetheart deals all the scum got. This entire thing is garbage from the beginning to the end. To paraphrase Nancy Grace, Lady Justice is blind to the crap the prosecution dealt. You can't get him for what he really did so let’s set him up for something else. If you think the justice system is sacred, then this is for the birds. I'm all for getting him for what he did, the murders, but if you can't do it legitimately, don't make a joke of the justice system so that discontented people can feel better.

[psbperu]

Don't act stupid. Of course, it's ALL about the murders. Who are you trying to kid? Do you think this stupid trial would have even been telecast if OJ hadn’t gotten off murder chargers 13 years ago? Do you think he wouldn't have been set up if he hadn’t gotten off murder chargers 13 years ago? If it had been anybody else, people would have been up in arms about the lousy set up and the sweetheart deals all the scum got. This entire thing is garbage from the beginning to the end. To paraphrase Nancy Grace, Lady Justice is blind to the crap the prosecution dealt. You can't get him for what he really did so let’s set him up for something else. If you think the justice system is sacred, then this is for the birds. I'm all for getting him for what he did, the murders, but if you can't do it legitimately, don't make a joke of the justice system so that discontented people can feel better.


The "stupid" stuff is totally unnecessary. There was more than enough evidence to convict in this trial.

One cannot negate the use of guns nor holding people against their will. That is fairly serious & they were fortunate that the event did not escalate.

This case had merit, was presided over by a fair & firm Judge who moved it along nicely & in the long run there was no way of dismissing the felony charges.

Let's use the word "stupid" where it applies so appropriately: stupid is as stupid does...and OJ did.

[sunstar]

It seems CNN is going to talk about politics first before getting to OJ, so I'm going to watch it from bed! Good night everybody and thank you for the discussion today! :seeya:

[psbperu]

It seems CNN is going to talk about politics first before getting to OJ, so I'm going to watch it from bed! Good night everybody and thank you for the discussion today! :seeya:


Goodnite Sunstar, we had a long nite waiting for the verdict & I bet there are many sleepy people waiting on CNN.
:seeya:

[bearwds]

It seems CNN is going to talk about politics first before getting to OJ, so I'm going to watch it from bed! Good night everybody and thank you for the discussion today! :seeya:
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Nighty-nite... See you later on the "internets"....lol:seeya:


bearwds

[DebinNv]

Tonight, 11 eastern, CNN Newsroom channel (202 if you have Direct TV)

TY! I was frantically searching for the channel.

[psbperu]

So the teaser from CNN this afternoon...was just that ...a teaser.

There was no interview with Fred Goldman...they just repeated what Fred said this afternoon. Unless of course there is more to come?

[llylabrat]

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Instead of "If it's OJ's, you must acquit", how about something that rhymes..??

"If it's OJ, you must belay" <<-------said with a pirate accent.

Speaking about the notice of OJ when found guilty, anyone notice the glance OJ gave Yale..?? Reminded me of Kardashian.


bearwds

it did rhyme but the s word got bleeped. say it again..."if its oj's s===, you must acquit." That had to be said in private by the defense team, dont you think?:biggrin:

[bearwds]

WHAT...that was it..???????????

Just a stupid re-cap. Yale flapping and the Goldman statement released last night.

THAT'S IT ???? Shame on you CNN. No interview as advertised with Goldman.

Only thing new was the Brown's statement saying they are concentrating on the kids and Michael Bryant giving the insight that the jury refused to look at OJ when returning with verdict.


bearwds

[cherylt]

Before that comes on I hope you will check the OJ Links thread: Post #25. Some very sad stuff there - and some concerns we might should have about what mave have been going on with the Goldmans. I hope they ask hard questions.
If Goldman wanted to get paid for shutting up and asked the Browns to participate in that .....I'm speechless. :no:

Yes, I'll go back & read it. But if it is the same one I'm thinking of, I've saved it to my favorites to read later...

Have a nice night and loved posting w/ everyone today. See ya Monday!

I'm tivo'ing the Goldman interview & haven't watched it yet - I can't get caught up with anything, seems like...Ugh, it's so easy to lose track of time... :)

:seeya:

[bearwds]

[QUOTE=snowbird01;12234080]Hope you will check that link before Goldmans respond.

But I have some questions: Bearwds: what was the look on Kardashion's face at the murder trial verdict? You referred to the similarity, but I missed it. I just know you can describe it beautifully and I really want to know.
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How about a person that had just had 3 martinis and have a alien appear right next to him.

Incredulous, I think might be the word.

You could find it on You-Tube. Just search verdict 1994 trial. I would do it but I don't post links.


bearwds

[Pinetree]

I thought Fred and Kim would be on every show this week-end. Maybe waiting til Monday for more of an audience....NG, Larry King, Greta, Today....etc., etc.??

[bearwds]

I thought Fred and Kim would be on every show this week-end. Maybe waiting til Monday for more of an audience....NG, Larry King, Greta, Today....etc., etc.??
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You're probably right Pinetree.

The irritating thing was an interview with Goldman was going to be broadcast.

They lied.


bearwds

[AnnInOhio]

I was initially surprised that the jury would find guilty on all counts for Stewart. But I after I watched closing arguments I was convinced that the prosecutor had also proven all charges against Stewart. Did anybody else have the same reaction?

[Tubesworld]

I'm catching up on the on the posts. As to where Simpson will be incarcerated, I'm certain wherever he does his time, he'll be a NONCE for his own safety. This acronym is mostly for pedophiles, rapists, and any other convicts in danger of his life being taken by another inmate for supposed "cred". Simpson will surely qualify for Not On Normal Communal Exercise.

[DebinNv]

I was initially surprised that the jury would find guilty on all counts for Stewart. But I after I watched closing arguments I was convinced that the prosecutor had also proven all charges against Stewart. Did anybody else have the same reaction?

Yes, I too, was surprised. I didn't think -- during the trial --, that Stewart would get the "guilty" on all 12 counts, but after the closing arguments, I felt the prosection did prove their case againt him. They just brought everything together in their closing.

[bearwds]

You know how CW does not like that. TIme for a Post Verdict Discussion Sunday 10/5? Y'all get it going if ya want. I have to get some sleep! Last night was very very late for me! But very satisfying! :seeya:
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Nite snowbird...! Somebody else can start Thread. I'm going to go fix dinner <west coast>.

:seeya:


bearwds

[nsm]

By the number of charges given, one would have thought that he had kept the "victims" naked and in chains for a month before letting them go.

That scenerio isnt necessary for it to be kidnapping. If another prevents you from leaving, and takes away your control of your life, according to the law, it is kidnapping.

no one has the right to do that. Add the gun with it, and it could be a horrifying experience, even if its just for 10 minutes.

[LADYJANE]

Yes, I too, was surprised. I didn't think -- during the trial --, that Stewart would get the "guilty" on all 12 counts, but after the closing arguments, I felt the prosection did prove their case againt him. They just brought everything together in their closing.

I noticed that CJ stewart wiped a tear from his eye after hearing guilty on all counts. My first thought was he was probably thinking OMg i should have took the plea!But who knows what his attorneys advised him, maybe looking for tv time or free publicity. I did feel sorry for him and I also don't think J G will not be inclined to give probration sentences to these other guys. Does anyone know why CJ did not take a plea?:shrug:

[Topher]

From the link .....Las Vegas police officers were heard in the recording chucking over Simpson misfortune and crowing that if LA couldn't get him, they would.

Those statements alone are proof that the Las Vegas LE was out to "get" him for an unrelated crime in which he had been acquitted.

I would wager there are a number of appeal issues in this case including the prosecution removing the only two black jurors. One reason given was one woman was very religious and the prosecution believed she might be more forgiving.

The other men involved including the two carrying a gun made deals with LE to help them "get" OJ when LA couldn't is a travesty. If the crime was serious enough to put two defendants away for possibly life then the all men in that room should get the same sentence. This was a popular verdict to correct what many think was a bad verdict 13 years ago.

I see this case ending up in the Supreme Court before this is over.

The Law is the law. Whether some LE guys laughed at the tapes, or two black jurors were excused, are not appellate issues. The tapes alone validate the conviction. I cannot foresee any appellate court overturning Simpson's convictions of the charges. As for the those gloating about Simpson spending some time with Bubba: Simpson IS Bubba. He will take what He wants. But, unfortunately, with many people suffering in this depression, that has middle class people going to food banks and losing their homes, Simpson will probably be sent to a country club facility, having his own cottage, with all the amenities. He will be treated with kid gloves, whist living in his country club, so LE will never have to worry about him being mistreated, or hurt, by them or another prisioner. All Simpson will lose is his freedom, but I cannot picture him in a jail cell. I was shocked a few years ago, when I saw how well Dr. Jeffrey McDonald has been living all of these years. When "60 Minutes" did a segment on him he was running track at his country club facility, and his cottage made my studio apartment look shabby. I am hoping that the judge does not make all of Simpson's sentences concurrent, allowing him to be eligible for release in about five years...

Topher

[Jay]

His appeal would have to be based on some form of error that leaves the conviction? What do you mean?

The "general term" is abuse of discretion.

If evidence were admitted where the evidence code forbade it, that would be an abuse of discretion. There is a lot of law out there and inferior courts are overturned for abuse from time to time, of course not a care free who cares abuse, that is just how it is termed.

An error in the application of the law was made, an abuse of it.


http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/abuse_of_discretion

[Jay]

Good question. As far as I know, the state systems and the federal systems are totally separate. Felons who are convicted in federal court for violatons of federal statute will go to federal prison. Likewise, state prisoners spend their sentences in state prisons.

There are state-oriented civil matters that are tried in federal court as, for example, a case in diversity where the parties have a substantive legal controversy and live in different states but that's civil, not criminal.


The diversity amount is $75,000.00. I do not know if you are familiar with the Nancy Grace /CNN lawsuit filed by Trenton Duckett's estate, but it was filed in FL state court for damages in "excess" of $15,000.00.

CNN successfully Petitioned to remove it to federal court under the diversity statute as they argued the amount in a wrongful death suit would surely be OVER 75g k's, even if not plead in the original complaint.

Of course the 11th AM restricts some civil filings against states.



Also, criminally, the feds can also apply state laws to federal property where the US Code has no provision for it.

If say a National Forest in Washington state has no provision for a motor vehicle speeding through it, it can apply WA state laws through the Assimilative Crimes Act. I am aware though, the CFR codifies some vehicle infractions at times.

[Jay]

BINGO!!!!
Persons convicted of murder, burglary, or larceny/theft are most likely to be sent to a state prison. If the crime is a federal offense or was committed outside a state jurisdiction, the offender can be sentenced to a federal prison.



OR, at times, the feds and state can have concurrent jurisdiction?

I do know, from case law study, a NON Indian reservation member who commits a crime on and Indian reservation, which is a seperate sovereign, can not be tried in Indian court, they must be tried in the home state court. I believe I am correct on that??

[callmetree]

[QUOTE=snowbird01;12234227]You know how CW does not like that. TIme for a Post Verdict Discussion Sunday 10/5? Y'all get it going if ya want. I have to get some sleep! Last night was very very late for me! But very satisfying! :seeya:[/QUOTE i started one for . you guys have fun. this was a very good thread.:seeya:

[Cornblossom]

OR, at times, the feds and state can have concurrent jurisdiction?

I do know, from case law study, a NON Indian reservation member who commits a crime on and Indian reservation, which is a seperate sovereign, can not be tried in Indian court, they must be tried in the home state court. I believe I am correct on that??


Federal or State Concurrent Jurisdiction: Congress has granted limited jurisdictional authority to the federal courts (under the General Crimes Act and the Major Crimes Act) and to state courts (under Public Law 280). It is important, however, to note that tribal courts maintain concurrent (or joint) criminal jurisdiction.

Criminal Jurisdiction over Non-Indians: Tribal courts no longer have criminal jurisdiction over non-Indians, unless Congress delegates such power to them. Oliphant v. Suquamish Indian Tribe, 435 U.S. 191 (1978).

Criminal Jurisdiction over Non-Member Indians: The Supreme Court ruled that tribal courts did not have criminal jurisdiction over non-member Indians. Duro v. Reina, 495 U.S. 676 (1990). Congress, however, overturned this decision and restored tribal court criminal jurisdiction over non-member Indians by adding the following language to the definition of “powers of self-government” in the Indian Civil Rights Act (25 U.S.C. § 1301) - “means the inherent power of Indian tribes, hereby recognized and affirmed, to exercise criminal jurisdiction over all Indians” (Public Law 102-137).

Sentencing Limitation: The Indian Civil Rights Act ((25 U.S.C. § 1301 (Definitions); § 1302 (Constitutional rights); § 1303 (Habeas corpus)) provides that tribal courts cannot “impose for conviction of any one offense any penalty or punishment greater than imprisonment for a term of one year or a fine of $5,000 or both.”

Charging Defendant in both Federal and Tribal Court is NOT a violation of Double Jeopardy: The U.S. Supreme Court has held that the source of the power to punish offenders is an inherent part of tribal sovereignty and not a grant of federal power. Consequently, when two prosecutions are by separate sovereigns, (e.g. the Navajo Nation and the United States), the subsequent federal prosecution does not violate the defendant’s right against double jeopardy. United States v. Wheeler, 435 U.S. 313 (1978).

Federal Criminal Jurisdiction
Federal courts are courts of limited jurisdiction (that is, they cannot hear all cases - there must be specific constitutional or statutory authority in order to bring a case in federal court). Congress has granted criminal jurisdiction in Indian country to the federal courts in certain circumstances, including the following:

General Crimes Act (18 U.S.C.§ 1152): This federal statue (enacted in 1817 and set forth below) provides that the federal courts have jurisdiction over interracial crimes committed in Indian country as set forth below:

Except as otherwise expressly provided by law, the general laws of the United States as to the punishment of offenses committed in any place within the sole and exclusive jurisdiction of the United States, except in the District of Columbia, shall extend to the Indian Country.
This section shall not extend to offenses committed by one Indian against the person or property of another Indian, nor to any Indian committing any offense in the Indian Country who has been punished by the local law of the tribe, or to any case where, by treaty stipulations, the exclusive jurisdiction over such offenses is or may be secured to the Indian tribes respectively.

Major Crimes Act (18 U.S.C. § 1153): The Major Crimes Act (enacted following the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1883 Ex Parte Crow Dog decision) provides for federal criminal jurisdiction over seven major crimes when committed by Indians in Indian country. Over time, the original seven offenses have been increased to sixteen offenses currently.

State Criminal Jurisdiction
The states generally do not have jurisdiction over crimes occurring in Indian Country with three exceptions set forth below:

Public Law 280 (18 U.S.C. § 1162): Congress in 1953 authorized states to exercise jurisdiction over offenses by or against Indians. Public Law 280 provided for broad state concurrent criminal jurisdiction on those states and reservations impacted by Public law 280 (both mandatory states and those states which opted to assume PL280 jurisdiction).

Other Federal Acts conferring State Jurisdiction: Some tribes have been affected by federal legislation in which states have received a federal mandate to exercise jurisdiction outside of Public Law 280, e.g., through state-wide enactments, restoration acts, or land claims settlement acts.

Non-Indian v. Non-Indian Crimes: The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in United States v. McBratney, 104 U.S. 621 (1881), and Draper v. United States, 164 U.S. 240 (1896), that state courts have jurisdiction to punish wholly non-Indian crimes in Indian country.

[Jay]

The diversity amount was $10,000 for Many years. That used to be a lot of money. The Federal Courts don't want to rule on mere squabbles. Thus, the minimum hurdle was established to ensure that the controversy was meaningful. Cases needed to be handled in federal court where the parties were from diverse locations, say for example when one country has a controvbersy with another. I can understand why it would be higher nowadays. I guess you could say that $75,000 is the 21st Century equivalent of $10,000. LOL.


My law dictionary quotes 50 grand, but of course it is not a recent printing.


http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/search/display.html?terms=diversity&url=/uscode/html/uscode28/usc_sec_28_00001332----000-.html

The Federal courts now routinely use state law in bankruptcy cases. This was not always the case and it led to gross inequities in cases where, for example, the homestead rules were higher in the state in question than the Federal rule. At the point when the practice of using State law in Federal Court began, the number of areas of the law srudied by law students fell by one, from 14 to 13. The entire study of "Conflict of Law" became more or less irrelevant and was dropped.

If you remember the Anna Nicole Smith case that went to the USSC, it entwined states domestic and family law with Federal Bankruptcy law. That was a very interesting and legally complex ruling.

Your information is right on point. I can see that you have made a good study of the law.

Thanks again!! :)


Another good source, if you don't already use it is Findlaw. I get cases sent to me every day on the internet and some of it is fascinating reading. Like you, I've always been interested in such things.

Regards. :)

I always use findlaw, and the Constitutional annotations.

Regards to you also.

[Jay]

Good research Cornblossom!! :)

[FrankieBones1]

I despise OJ, but do you think this crime warrants life in prison?

I have read over and over this moring, 'finally justice for Nicole and Ron" it is obvious this trial for most was about the past not the current crime.

Should he do time..yes..but not life, especially when you consider the others will get probation. moo

For these recent crimes I would think 10 to 20 years would be enough.

I haven't read the ''Finally justice for Nicole and Ron" posts. I really do not think this had much to do with Ron and Nicole. I'm just happy that they found an intelligent jury this time.

[FrankieBones1]

I love these online verdict get-togethers!

It happened very late in the Eastern time zone. I should give a few of you my phone number so you can call me the next time a late night verdict comes in.

[vonna]

Don't act stupid. Of course, it's ALL about the murders. Who are you trying to kid? Do you think this stupid trial would have even been telecast if OJ hadn’t gotten off murder chargers 13 years ago? Do you think he wouldn't have been set up if he hadn’t gotten off murder chargers 13 years ago? If it had been anybody else, people would have been up in arms about the lousy set up and the sweetheart deals all the scum got. This entire thing is garbage from the beginning to the end. To paraphrase Nancy Grace, Lady Justice is blind to the crap the prosecution dealt. You can't get him for what he really did so let’s set him up for something else. If you think the justice system is sacred, then this is for the birds. I'm all for getting him for what he did, the murders, but if you can't do it legitimately, don't make a joke of the justice system so that discontented people can feel better.

OJ broke Nevada law and was held accountable. Don't suggest that he should have gotten by this unscathed because he got away with murder. The big difference in the two trials was the intelligent jury in Las Vegas.

[nsm]

OSimpson will be going to High Desert State Prison in Nevada.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. :tongue:

imo

will he go there after Dec. 5? Hope he's there for a LONG LONG Time.

[Cornblossom]

SNIPPED

By the way, I had a terrible thought last night. I was wondering if they have coffee for the prisoners in Nevada. The Sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona makes his prisoners live in army tents and won't give them coffee since he says that it has no food value. No coffee? That's enough to keep me on the straight and narrow. No coffee, no deal for me. LOL :)I,too had a terrible(hehe) thought! you know people in prison can buy Tv sets etc and most all the comforts of home if they can afford it...in some prisons......with the TV going digital....I doubt if the prison will let prisoners have their own little individual boxes......no golf,no football,no TV for OJ!!!:seeya: