Verdict has been reached

[5swab5]

Yea, I wondered why he didn't mention Ron G. but then from the first time I saw him speak I thought he was nothing but a POS and an opportunist. Didn't he write a book or is in the process?

Who knows?

He is a certifiable NUT in my book. But hey, OJ has a penchant for surrounding himself with perceived "inferiors".

MOO

Swabby

[eagleeer]

Jay,
I thought that kidnaping with the use of a lethal weapon was a capital crime. Am I mistaken? And if I am not wouldn't the sentence for that be as high as life in prison?

[eagleeer]

Swabby,
Does your nic indicate you were in the Navy?

[Jay]

Jay,
I thought that kidnaping with the use of a lethal weapon was a capital crime. Am I mistaken? And if I am not wouldn't the sentence for that be as high as life in prison?

The USSC has already ruled, years ago, that Kidnapping can NOT be treated as a Capital crime under the 8th AM. Basically, in this country, there is only one crime punishable by death, murder and it's progenies.

Treason is a capital offense though also.

[eagleeer]

The USSC has already ruled, years ago, that Kidnapping can NOT be treated as a Capital crime under the 8th AM. Basically, in this country, there is only one crime punishable by death, murder and it's progenies.

Treason is a capital offense though also.

Thanks Jay, are you an attorney or involved in the legal profession? You sound quite knowledgable on the law?

[eagleeer]

The USSC has already ruled, years ago, that Kidnapping can NOT be treated as a Capital crime under the 8th AM. Basically, in this country, there is only one crime punishable by death, murder and it's progenies.

Treason is a capital offense though also.
What is the longest sentence one can receive for kidnapping with the use of a weapon?

[Jay]

Thanks Jay, are you an attorney or involved in the legal profession? You sound quite knowledgable on the law?


No, I am not an attorney, just a little proficient in legal matters over years of self study and College.

Thanks for the nice compliment though. :)

[Jay]

What is the longest sentence one can receive for kidnapping with the use of a weapon?


I would have to look that up online, but I think another poster mentioned 15 to life?

[cherish]

"If I did it" was shelved due to public outcry.

Riccio's book, "Busted"

http://www.1888pressrelease.com/thomas-riccio-s-new-book-busted-featuring-oj-simpson-s-arre-pr-t4i0y882a.html

The first time I heard of Riccio he was auctioning Anna Nicole's diaries. Seems like the kinda guy that would sell his soul to the devil.

(Maybe he already has) MOO

[eagleeer]

Swabby, did you fall asleep on us or are you still here. Did you see my last question of you?

[5swab5]

The USSC has already ruled, years ago, that Kidnapping can NOT be treated as a Capital crime under the 8th AM. Basically, in this country, there is only one crime punishable by death, murder and it's progenies.

Treason is a capital offense though also.


"Kidnapping" is prosecuted and prevailes ALL across this good land of ours every day of the week!

Come into MY abode and tell ME that I can't leave!

See Ya in Court!

MOO

Swabby

Soon as I get those bullet holes out of your....of course.:biggrin:

[Mayonnaise]

They HAD to find him guilty this time,this was all about reputation and politics.....:rolleyes:

MOO

[eagleeer]

Riccio's book, "Busted"

http://www.1888pressrelease.com/thomas-riccio-s-new-book-busted-featuring-oj-simpson-s-arre-pr-t4i0y882a.html

The first time I heard of Riccio he was auctioning Anna Nicole's diaries. Seems like the kinda guy that would sell his soul to the devil.

(Maybe he already has) MOO
Thanks, not that I want to read it but I think your right on about him.

[5swab5]

Swabby, did you fall asleep on us or are you still here. Did you see my last question of you?


I did see your question.

But TOS prevents me from relaying personal information.

Just trying to keep us both safe.:)

Sorry,

Swabby

[eagleeer]

Swabby, if you are still here, you didn't answer me if your nic indicates that you were in the Navy.

[Jay]

Jay,
I thought that kidnaping with the use of a lethal weapon was a capital crime.

I looked up the case:

http://supreme.justia.com/us/390/570/


Here is a recent case where the SC ruled that the death penalty for child rape is UNconstitutional:


http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-343.ZS.html

[5swab5]

They HAD to find him guilty this time,this was all about reputation and politics.....:rolleyes:

MOO


That's pretty cynical.

Why don't you give it a whirl and try what OJ organized in your own hometown.

I anxiously await your call from JAIL!

MOO

Swabby

[eagleeer]

I did see your question.

But TOS prevents me from relaying personal information.

Just trying to keep us both safe.:)

Sorry,

Swabby
No problem, I just asked as I was a Navy Corpsman attached to the Marines during Viet Nam. I interperated the TOS as meaning not to give out your real names, emails, addresses, places of business and things like that.

[5swab5]

Swabby, if you are still here, you didn't answer me if your nic indicates that you were in the Navy.


^^^^^^^^^^^

[Mayonnaise]

That's pretty cynical.

Why don't you give it a whirl and try what OJ organized in your own hometown.

I anxiously await your call from JAIL!

MOO

Swabby

I am allowed to have an opinion,ain't gonna fight with ya!:seeya:

[caphill]

This would, MUST, include Federal constitutional violations, as the SC will NOT disturb a state criminal conviction based soley on state law.

What would some be?

You point out juror exclusion based on race, so in effect, this is a Batson challenge!!

If you were OJ's appellate attorney's, what other violations, in your view, are potential assignments of error?

Since the crimes are not capital, it is not automatically reviewable by the Nevada SC if a court of appeals decision affirms or reverses.


State appeal remedies must be exhausted first to proceed to Federal court, even under a 2254 Motion, which also MUST be based on federal constitutional issues.

Or if OJ looses in the state appeals court, and the NV SC refuses to hear the case, it can be directly appealed to the USSC from there, yes, and bypass a Federal Habeas Corpus petition.

In the interim, he remains "in custody" as bail was denied. Appeals take years.


I didn't follow this case closely. I would like to see some discussion from any one who watched the legal proceedings and may have info on the motions filed. I did read about the voir dire issue with the two African American women because one was minister and they were religious.

From what little I observed Judge Glass ,from day one, made no bones about her distain for OJ. The only thing I saw that I thought questionable was the last prosecution witness, a detective, blurted out that the main defense witness, Mr. Scotto, had been thrown out of the prelims because of tampering with a witness. The courtroom erupted. Both sides thought the witness said Mr. Scotto. After a replay the witness said Mrs. Scotto. Firstly the witnesses was not in the courtroom for the prelim and had no direct knowledge to support his statement. This detective ,IMO, made that statement to posion the credibility of Mr. Scotto. There is no other reason I could see for him to blurt out that info.

Judge Glass didn't see this as a problem after she determined the detective said Mrs. rather than Mr. Scotto and I heard her direct quote "I have unrung the bell with jury" This was a part of her response/ruling to the defense's call for a mistrial.

I agree that appeals can take years. I am hoping someone knowledgeable has some info to share of other possible appellate issues.

[Jay]

I agree that appeals can take years. I am hoping someone knowledgeable has some info to share of other possible appellate issues.


I did not watch any of it, at all, so I can not comment either on such!!

[eagleeer]

Night all, it has been a pleasant evening and early morning.

[Regina.Lampert]

At long last Lady Justice has brought down her Hammer on one orenthal james simpson. Finally, a jury was found who could hold this male accountable for his
crimes. This is a very sweet victory, especially on the date of October 3. Seems like the Legal Gods wanted to make a statement somehow......



:patriot:

[Jay]

What is the longest sentence one can receive for kidnapping with the use of a weapon?

He was convicted of Kidnapping in the first degree, so you can read the penalties.



http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-200.html#NRS200Sec310

[5swab5]

I am allowed to have an opinion,ain't gonna fight with ya!:seeya:


I'm not trying to fight with anyone.

The TRUTH is the best lie.

IF OJ hadn't insisted on pretending that there were NO guns, he would probally be free as I type.

Him & Galanter=IDIOTS!

MOO

Swabby


I am a firm believer in the KISS method.

[Regina.Lampert]

Here's the link to the verdict, if anyone wants to relive the magic moment:


http://www.thelegaledge.com./index.php?livecover#


:D

[Pag Boi]

This would, MUST, include Federal constitutional violations, as the SC will NOT disturb a state criminal conviction based soley on state law.

What would some be?

You point out juror exclusion based on race, so in effect, this is a Batson challenge!!

If you were OJ's appellate attorney's, what other violations, in your view, are potential assignments of error?

Since the crimes are not capital, it is not automatically reviewable by the Nevada SC if a court of appeals decision affirms or reverses.


State appeal remedies must be exhausted first to proceed to Federal court, even under a 2254 Motion, which also MUST be based on federal constitutional issues.

Or if OJ looses in the state appeals court, and the NV SC refuses to hear the case, it can be directly appealed to the USSC from there, yes, and bypass a Federal Habeas Corpus petition.

In the interim, he remains "in custody" as bail was denied. Appeals take years.



NV overturned the verdicts of Rick Tabish & Sandra Murphy on technicalitiy(ies) - so OJ has a glimmer of hope wee as it might be

jmoo

[RayStar]

well since YOU seem to think this is all about race why are you worried?

Barack Obama will be President soon and he can pardon him if it's such a huge miscarriage of justice!

:)I am so glad you gave posters a heads up on Obama winning. But couldn't GWB pardon him also?:)

[5swab5]

NV overturned the verdicts of Rick Tabish & Sandra Murphy on technicalitiy(ies) - so OJ has a glimmer of hope wee as it might be

jmoo

IF the robbery was orchestrated by anyone except a "celebrity" WE wouldn't even be having this conversation.

GUILTY is as GUILTY does!

MOO

Swabby

My tail would have BEEN in jail....yours Too!

[Jay]

I am so glad you gave posters a heads up on Obama winning. But couldn't GWB pardon him also?:)


The President can only pardon for federal crimes, not state.

[book]

Thank you everyone for this thread. Was extremely tired last night so went to bed early. Woke up this morning wondering if the jury had come to a verdict.

Thank goodness this jury saw the truth and looked at the evidence.

[5swab5]

I am so glad you gave posters a heads up on Obama winning. But couldn't GWB pardon him also?:)

This is NOT a political board!

I'm sure that IS has one tho.

MOO

Swabby

[Kathlb]

I didn't make it late enough last night after watching every minute of the trial. But this was a wonderful way to wake up. :-)

There was no doubt in my mind...the evidence was there threefold. It wouldn't matter if it were OJ or us, it would have been a conviction. You cannot break the law and take back even your own things at gunpoint. You call the police and get help, end of story. His feelings of being above the law didn't work this time for him. Thank the Lord. As for Stewart, the law states that if you participate, you are included in all charges just as if you were doing everything including holding the gun. The law can't be bent just because some want it to.

OJ deserved guilty on all charges and so did Stewart. And they finally got it no matter of celebrity. This was not a payback no matter how the def. wants to spin it. The jury followed the law, plain and simple. Blame OJ, the one who did it instead of retiring quietly and being thankful that he got off of all charges when he brutally murdered his wife and Ron Goldman. (my thoughts only...I believe firmly he did it) JMHO

[RayStar]

Apparently this is a big WooHoo for the Nancy Grace set. Personally, she makes me sick! How many people has she proclaimed guilty, who were not? Look it up.

CJ Stewart didn't kill anybody nor was he suspected of killing anybody. The finding of guilt against him is beyond STUPID!

The actual GunMen are walking. A guy who is innocent is lumped with OJ because he wouldn't cop a plea.

And OJ is facing life in prison for being stupid.

Great Justice. I sincerely hope that EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU, who are dancing on the lives of these men, have someone you love falsely accused of a crime. And I hope it happens really soon so you will know that your judgementalism caused it to happen.
:)Excellent post. Who cares that others think they have a right to set any poster they disagree with straight. Please spare me the details. CJ is locked up and being punished for something he had nothing to do with. This reminds me of James Nichols. Remember his brother Terry Nichols.
I enjoy reading your posts.

[RayStar]

This is NOT a political board!

I'm sure that IS has one tho.

MOO

Swabby
Read the poster I quoted OK. :shrug:

[RayStar]

The President can only pardon for federal crimes, not state.
I don't care if he gets pardoned. Read the poster I quoted OK:shrug:

[RayStar]

I am allowed to have an opinion,ain't gonna fight with ya!:seeya:Excellent post. IMO

[Jay]

I don't care if he gets pardoned. Read the poster I quoted OK:shrug:

I did, and you also asked him or her:


"But couldn't GWB pardon him also"?

I responded with a no! :shrug:

[CNTM]

I am normally on the Caylee Anthony board, but I wanted to stop in and thank you all for all the info. you provided! Better than the news on tv. You all ROCK!! :beer: :seeya: :patriot:

[RayStar]

I hope that it gets to the Supreme Court. This whole case has been absolutely ridiculous. I believe that are many many appellate issues for both CJ and OJ.

Everyone is saying justice for Nicole and Ron.... It's that kind of mentality that leads jurors to verdicts like this. A trial isn't for vindication.With so many posts so happy for Nicole and Ron, one does wonder if the jurors were thinking the same. EXCELLENT POST!:)

[nsm]

At long last Lady Justice has brought down her Hammer on one orenthal james simpson. Finally, a jury was found who could hold this male accountable for his
crimes. This is a very sweet victory, especially on the date of October 3. Seems like the Legal Gods wanted to make a statement somehow......



:patriot:

I could not have said it better! He thought he was above the law. Even if he wasn't "OJ", just an ordinary guy, all the evidence, the tapes, etc...was proof of a crime. All this talk about ...it was his "own" stuff, was ridiculous. Even if it was "stolen" from him, in what reality can you break into someone elses house, hotel room, or whatever and take it back by gunpoint. I hope the Goldmans get a bit of satisfaction from this. He flaunted his big grin in their faces all these years. It won't bring their loved one back, I hope it helps and my prayers are with them.
buh by OJ.

[RayStar]

I did, and you also asked him or her:


"But couldn't GWB pardon him also"?

I responded with a no! :shrug:OK Jay. Really I thought the poster was making a nasty post and that's why I went to gwb. I doubt anyone with authority would ever pardon OJ unless he was within a short time of leaving this earth. He would probably be very very old.

[sage68]

OJ Simpson and C J Stewart were found guilty on all 12 counts.

http://www.cnn.com/

Well it's about damn time!

[callmetree]

yes, cuffed on the spot and taken away with no bail. Speedy verdit? The first jury set him free after 4 hours of deliberations. And how long was that trial?

i think 9 months give or take. way too many sidebars:rolleyes:

[5swab5]

:)Excellent post. Who cares that others think they have a right to set any poster they disagree with straight. Please spare me the details. CJ is locked up and being punished for something he had nothing to do with. This reminds me of James Nichols. Remember his brother Terry Nichols.
I enjoy reading your posts.


RIggggggHT!

Let someone put a GUN to your head and get back to me!

MOO

Swabby

[Jay]

OK Jay. Really I thought the poster was making a nasty post and that's why I went to gwb.


Okay, I see your reasoning!

[n/t]

Here's the link to the verdict, if anyone wants to relive the magic moment:


http://www.thelegaledge.com./index.php?livecover#


:D

Thanks for the link.:)


:beer: This made my day!!!

[witchywoman]

Hey Oj, guess what? your dirty deeds caught up with you dude...

Justice...sweet justice,

glad he got the smack down, mo

[courtsinsession]

i am not one of those who believes that this trial will provide justice for the trial where justice wasn't served; as much as i hate the man and believe he killed Nicole and Ron Goldman, I think the prosecutors are trying to get belated justice; I hope the judge doesn't compound this mistake.

[callmetree]

i am not one of those who believes that this trial will provide justice for the trial where justice wasn't served; as much as i hate the man and believe he killed Nicole and Ron Goldman, I think the prosecutors are trying to get belated justice; I hope the judge doesn't compound this mistake.

do you really feel this way? not being sarcastic either. i can't even say his name so that tells you i dislike him very much. he was wrong to do what he did in this case. even his (gag, choke) lawyer said he felt this might be the outcome. don't feel he thought he would be found guilty on all charges though. MOO

[nsm]

It is a sad day when a man of OJ's incredible talent has come to this. Karma I guess. I can't say that I am happy but Lady Justice has spoken. Johnny Cochran just rolled over in his grave.

well perhaps if he didnt try to be "his intimidating best" as he said, and bring his thugs, bring a gun, hold people against their will, rob them, scare people......he wouldnt have been in this mess. Then he could have returned to his life of trying to hide his assets so the Goldmans couldnt get anything.

I sure would hate to live near him. Those tapes showed one scary violent person. He scares me.

[oldbluesmith]

Yahoo, just adding my own 2 cents, I was afraid to watch this trial for fear OJ would get off free from an obvious guilty deed. Thank you, Nevada for keeping OJ from returning to Florida. :patriot:

[NJ_Follower]

Isn't it eery reading through all these posts how clearly it demonstrates the public's inability to separate the past from the present? I can't help but wonder if Galanter is right?

This is sure to go to appeal-for numerous reasons. I'll be interested to see what happpens. Maybe this was a good case for judge only, no jury? Was that an option to them?

[5swab5]

Yahoo, just adding my own 2 cents, I was afraid to watch this trial for fear OJ would get off free from an obvious guilty deed. Thank you, Nevada for keeping OJ from returning to Florida. :patriot:

I'm just thankful that he was IMMEDIATLY put in jail!

Enough with dramatic Bronco chases already.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Isn't it eery reading through all these posts how clearly it demonstrates the public's inability to separate the past from the present? I can't help but wonder if Galanter is right?

This is sure to go to appeal-for numerous reasons. I'll be interested to see what happpens. Maybe this was a good case for judge only, no jury? Was that an option to them?


IF you think for a SINGLE second that IF you had done what OJ did...that you wouldn't be in a world of hurt...you are sadly mistaken!

MOO

Swabby

[Beetlebum]

Oh if he had not been put in jail right away he would have been in another country by now.

[Philly]

Isn't it eery reading through all these posts how clearly it demonstrates the public's inability to separate the past from the present? I can't help but wonder if Galanter is right?

This is sure to go to appeal-for numerous reasons. I'll be interested to see what happpens. Maybe this was a good case for judge only, no jury? Was that an option to them?


These were not posts by the jury. These are posts by people who watched the trial and formed their opinions from that. Orenthal's past cannot possibly be forgotten. He craved publicity and constantly flirted with the media. By doing so, he put himself out there. Now, when the legal system has judged him guilty of his new crimes, excuses are made about separating his past from the present.

I don't get it.

[Celebration]

I just watched a re-run of the jury verdict, showing simpson and THAT is a memory that I will remember, with a LARGE smile, for a long long time:D
The cuffs going on simpson was just great, but it looked like simpson's scummy mouthpiece was trying to tell the Deputy how to do the cuffs! If true, the Deputy should have cranked the cuffs as tight as possible and that would have been another great memory :D
just my opinion of a great memory :D


I'd have watched this trial if I'd had any idea how it would end, but stayed away from it because I didn't expect justice to prevail this time either. It did! It did! At last! At last!

[Shotzie]

The Blind Folds has come off Lady Justice..At Last..
I am very happy..RIP::rose: NICOLE & RON

[Pag Boi]

From the link .....Las Vegas police officers were heard in the recording chucking over Simpson misfortune and crowing that if LA couldn't get him, they would.

Those statements alone are proof that the Las Vegas LE was out to "get" him for an unrelated crime in which he had been acquitted.

I would wager there are a number of appeal issues in this case including the prosecution removing the only two black jurors. One reason given was one woman was very religious and the prosecution believed she might be more forgiving.

The other men involved including the two carrying a gun made deals with LE to help them "get" OJ when LA couldn't is a travesty. If the crime was serious enough to put two defendants away for possibly life then the all men in that room should get the same sentence. This was a popular verdict to correct what many think was a bad verdict 13 years ago.

I see this case ending up in the Supreme Court before this is over.


Are you alleging police misconduct? FWIW, LE only makes arrests. The DA brings the charges and prosecutes the cases. Plea bargains are made every day.

Do you ever watch Forensic Files or Snapped? Any type of true crime show has LE and or others from the prosecution (and defense too) making comments about the crime story being reported. Do you have a problem with any of the parties making similar remarks to those of LE in LV?

If there are so many issues to appeal and each issue has so much merit, there will be no need for the SC to hear this case. NV Appeals would be perfectly capable of handing down the appropriate decisions. Of course, appropriate to many is one that confirms their beliefs.

Personally, I accept the decision of the CA jury that found him NG and I accept the NV one. JMOO

[summer4meplz]

13 years too late imo but thank God.....he has got to be the dumbest criminal on the planet !! He got a pass 13 years ago for viciously slashing 2 ppl to death and what does he do with it? steals from cable....goes to trial with his road rage....plan a heist in vegas to steal back the stuff he stole years ago....this is justice...pure and simple....in this life....God only knows what justice He has in mind for OJ...

:rose:Nicole:rose:Ron

[Heyes]

I LOVE Las Vegas!

This one's for you Ron, Nicole, Fred and Kim!

This is like Christmas!

[5swab5]

I am surprised that the jury came back with a verdict last night. I could not stay up that late to follow along because I am on EST. Even if I was on the jury, I don't think I would of worked that late, no matter how close we were all to agreeing. I think sleeping on it one night and coming back for deliberations/filling out forms would of been my choice if I was on this jury.

Regardless of what I would do or not do if I was on this jury, I respect this jury for their hard work and respect their verdict. I also respect the right of OJ's and CJ's lawyers to appeal this verdict.

:patriot:

Does anyone know if any jurors have been interviewed? I always enjoy hearing from them.

I agree,:patriot: for the jurors. I would have probably done some things differently myself.

The paperwork alone, must have been mind boggling.

(I think OJ would have come out a whole lot better if he didn't try that "there were NO guns" crapolla)


Of course hindsight is 20/20.

MOO

Swabby

[FrankieBones1]

BeeBee,
OJ didn't steal a chocolate bar. This has nothing to do with 13 years ago, either. If you followed the case and listened to the tapes, you'd know that this is a separate crime(s). Armed robbery is not child's play.

[tammym]

BeeBee,
OJ didn't steal a chocolate bar. This has nothing to do with 13 years ago, either. If you followed the case and listened to the tapes, you'd know that this is a separate crime(s). Armed robbery is not child's play.
I despise OJ, but do you think this crime warrants life in prison?

I have read over and over this moring, 'finally justice for Nicole and Ron" it is obvious this trial for most was about the past not the current crime.

Should he do time..yes..but not life, especially when you consider the others will get probation. moo

[summer4meplz]

I despise OJ, but do you think this crime warrants life in prison?

I have read over and over this moring, 'finally justice for Nicole and Ron" it is obvious this trial for most was about the past not the current crime.

Should he do time..yes..but not life, especially when you consider the others will get probation. moo


OJ is old....even if he got the lightest sentence possible...one of the reports said it would be 20 years....the incident also caused Fromong to have a heart attack....if he had died....he could have been charged with murder, I believe...

[chrgrfan]

After getting away with murder O.J. lived his life as though he was above the law. This time it caught up with him, plain and simple.

Thank God this trial we didn't have to suffer through Judge Ito's courtroom circus.

The Las Vegas jury obviously felt the prosecution proved O.J. was guilty. I doubt his past crimes played any part in this conviction.

If you or I did the same crimes we would do time.

[Heyes]

Well I for one am happy as he**!

Bye, Bye Orenthal!

[summer4meplz]

At least call it what it is.

Anyone who says this is a just verdict in a case that couldn't have been more of a set up and sham are just trying to justify their own lust for revenge.

At least admit it.


I don't agree this verdict is revenge....but I totally believe 13 years ago the not guilty verdict WAS revenge....imo

[tammym]

OJ is old....even if he got the lightest sentence possible...one of the reports said it would be 20 years....the incident also caused Fromong to have a heart attack....if he had died....he could have been charged with murder, I believe...
I think you're right, I have no problem with him doing time, but I have to say the ones that scared Fromong and chose to bring guns will only get probation and that imo is so wrong.

[annalyzer]

I don't agree this verdict is revenge....but I totally believe 13 years ago the not guilty verdict WAS revenge....imo


ITA!!!!!! Great post

[5swab5]

(respectfully snipped)

If you or I did the same crimes we would do time.


Yep, you can take that to the bank!

MOO

Swabby

[tammym]

If you are going to do the crime, be prepared to do the time. It wasn't about the past. How would you know if you don't even know what the charges were? You don't get probation for armed robery. No probation for theft. No probation for kidnapping...etc. Do get caught up on this case before you opine the wrong info.

in my opinion
Are you kidding?
Riccio set the entire thing up...he got nothing.

The ones that brought the guns will probably get probation..

I do know what the charges were, and I know that those that brought the guns and others made deals so they won't have to really face and pay for what they did.

[Kara]

Wow, I go to work one night and miss the darn verdict!! I'm kind of surprised by the conviction across the board, but I'm not surprised by the conviction on most of the charges. Was OJ remaned into custody or is he still free on bail until sentencing?

If he's still free, I'm guessing he could be a flight risk based upon that slow bronco chase 13 years ago.

What a hard working jury!

[tammym]

If you are going to do the crime, be prepared to do the time. It wasn't about the past. How would you know if you don't even know what the charges were? You don't get probation for armed robery. No probation for theft. No probation for kidnapping...etc. Do get caught up on this case before you opine the wrong info.

in my opinion
Oh and btw I was giving my opinion, no need to be rude. :)

[tammym]

I don't agree this verdict is revenge....but I totally believe 13 years ago the not guilty verdict WAS revenge....imo
I don't know if the first verdict was revenge but I sure do agree the jury in the first trial was wrong, it should have been guilty the first time, that jury was very wrong, he should have got a murder charge, two of them. moo

[RayStar]

At least call it what it is.

Anyone who says this is a just verdict in a case that couldn't have been more of a set up and sham are just trying to justify their own lust for revenge.

At least admit it.ITA :) I hope both defendants get an appeal especially CJ Stewart.

[ELENDA100]

:beer: Shows you can't keep getting away with everything in life. I LOVE Las Vegas!

This one's for you Ron, Nicole, Fred and Kim!

This is like Christmas!

[annalyzer]

OJ handcuffed in court

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92WFcAgbWoY

Who is the woman crying?

[tammym]

A handful of cases that certainly did bring about enough questions to cause some uncertaintly about guilt. Not like "that person" considers every case that way. But at any rate when you hear the words over and over "at long last. . ." it does seem that feelings of revenge run pervasive in so many of us when it comes to OJ.

It bothers me that his co-defendants went to the prosecution side after plea deals. The whole thing was stupid and OJ cooked his own goose, but something doesn't seem right and he may not have known there would be guns. All charges guilty. Hmmm.
I agree, good post.

I see everywhere how finally justice for Nicole and Ron, well that says this was about the past otherwise where is anyone saying justice for the victims in this case?

[5swab5]

He was handcuffed taken to jail with no bond until sentencing 12/5. :patriot:


OOPS, I musta' missed something?

Bond on the 5th of December? Is that possible?

Swabby

[Kara]

He was handcuffed taken to jail with no bond until sentencing 12/5. :patriot:
That is happy news! Did ya get to see them slap the cuffs on him? Did the smirk finally leave his face?

[tammym]

OJ handcuffed in court

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92WFcAgbWoY

Who is the woman crying?
Anna I think that might be his sister?

[Kara]

OJ handcuffed in court

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92WFcAgbWoY

Who is the woman crying?I didn't even notice the woman, but watching the cuffs go on sure made me smile. :)

[lmercer]

YAHOO!!!!!!!:beer:

[GentleBreeze]

While I always felt that OJs house of cards would fall one day imo this guilty verdict is not a verdict for Ron and Nicole. They got no justice, not thirteen years ago and not now.

I do understand the verdict but I also hope that each of those jurors were there for the right reasons and not predisposed to pay any defendant back for prior crimes they thought they committed. Our jurors are supposed to rise above those tainted thoughts and base the case solely on the evidence they had before them. We can see how hard that really is to do just by the feelings a lot of us here have expressed.

I would never want to think that they perhaps did not do their job that they swore under oath they would do.

So I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and believe they set aside any preconceived biases and did their job honorably. To not believe that way means I wouldn't really care if our justice system remains intact and would accept that outside biases can taint this case and other cases as well. That can never be acceptable in our jury system. That would create revenge juries or payback juries.

So in this memorabilia case.... justice was done. Justice has long past for Ron and Nicole in their case where justice was denied.

imoo

[annalyzer]

Verdict read

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHiJ8--GmZ4

[psbperu]

I agree, good post.

I see everywhere how finally justice for Nicole and Ron, well that says this was about the past otherwise where is anyone saying justice for the victims in this case?



There is nothing inherently wrong with people expressing their opinion as to justice finally being done. There are those of us who felt a miscarriage of justice occurred during the murder trial due to jury nullification.

What you are overlooking is that the evidence in this case is quite damning & unrefutable. OJ's own friends & his stupidity were his undoing.

This case was tried on its merits by an extremely patient & fair Judge.

[annalyzer]

Anna I think that might be his sister?

I thought I saw a blonde crying?

[Cornblossom]

OJ handcuffed in court

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92WFcAgbWoY

Who is the woman crying?the Caucasian woman is Mrs Scotto,then OJ's sister beside her.:seeya:

Also on the subject of bail.....Appeal Bond Is when an individual has been found guilty on the charges of which they were accused. The ''Appeal Bond'', once again secures the individuals freedom until such time as he/she reappears in court and the appeal is heard, or denied. The premium charged on ''Appeal Bonds'' is usually 20%.
http://www.onlinelawyersource.com/bail_bond/index.html

I doubt if OJ ever gets an appeals bond as he is a flight risk. IMO

[GentleBreeze]

Anna I think that might be his sister?

Yes, that is his sister.

[Fallen Angel]

I"m STILL shocked.........

Finally he's going away for good..

[tammym]

There is nothing inherently wrong with people expressing their opinion as to justice finally being done. There are those of us who felt a miscarriage of justice occurred during the murder trial due to jury nullification.

What you are overlooking is that the evidence in this case is quite damning & unrefutable. OJ's own friends & his stupidity were his undoing.

This case was tried on its merits by an extremely patient & fair Judge.
I agree a miscarriage of justice was done in the first trial imo but like I said before the ones that chose to bring the guns will not get the same as OJ and Riccio gets notta.

I understand how many feel but I say the justice system if this verdict was not based on this crime is wrong.
I am not overlooking anything, I saw the trial but I do think it was overcharged based on the fact it was OJ. moo

[summer4meplz]

At least call it what it is.

Anyone who says this is a just verdict in a case that couldn't have been more of a set up and sham are just trying to justify their own lust for revenge.

At least admit it.

I have no lust in my heart for oj, believe me.....

[psbperu]

I thought I saw a blonde crying?

Identified as Thomas Scotto's wife, I believe, by Loni & Marta earlier this a.m. on KTLA tv.

[psbperu]

A handful of cases that certainly did bring about enough questions to cause some uncertaintly about guilt. Not like "that person" considers every case that way. But at any rate when you hear the words over and over "at long last. . ." it does seem that feelings of revenge run pervasive in so many of us when it comes to OJ.

It bothers me that his co-defendants went to the prosecution side after plea deals. The whole thing was stupid and OJ cooked his own goose, but something doesn't seem right and he may not have known there would be guns. All charges guilty. Hmmm.


It doesn't bother me that his co-defendants decided to accept plea deals. That was good lawyering by the lawyers for their clients in this case.

This might have been stupid but there were guns there & people were held against their will.

Lucky that this didn't escalate into something even more serious.

[Jay]

OJ Simpson's new address, I hope noone else has posted this.

http://redrock.co.clark.nv.us/ccdcincustody/inCustodySearch.aspx

enter JC Case # C237890

After he is sentenced, then he heads off to the state Pen!! :)

[callmetree]

They HAD to find him guilty this time,this was all about reputation and politics.....:rolleyes:

MOO

maybe just maybe... the jury listened to all the evidence and truly felt he was guilty. i agree that he has a reputation that even if found not guilty this time would haunt him forever. politics.... i disagree. JMOO. i for one could not have been an impartial juror. hopefully all these people were upfront when they said they could be. just happy with the outcome!:) i also disagree that they HAD to find him guilty. that also is MOO

[Fallen Angel]

They HAD to find him guilty this time,this was all about reputation and politics.....:rolleyes:

MOO

did you listen to the case? because if OJ would have been Joe Blow i still would have found him guilty :patriot:

[Fallen Angel]

OJ Simpson's new address, I hope noone else has posted this.

http://redrock.co.clark.nv.us/ccdcincustody/inCustodySearch.aspx

enter JC Case # C237890 or Simpson, Orenthal J or ID number 02648927

do we have a mug shot yet?

[psbperu]

13 years too late imo but thank God.....he has got to be the dumbest criminal on the planet !! He got a pass 13 years ago for viciously slashing 2 ppl to death and what does he do with it? steals from cable....goes to trial with his road rage....plan a heist in vegas to steal back the stuff he stole years ago....this is justice...pure and simple....in this life....God only knows what justice He has in mind for OJ...

:rose:Nicole:rose:Ron


Self-destructive behavior at its finest. He had 2 children to raise after his murder trial, a goodly pension & his health. He could have gone on to providing a quiet & stabile atmosphere for his children to grow up in.

He chose otherwise.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Identified as Thomas Scotto's wife, I believe, by Loni & Marta earlier this a.m. on KTLA tv.

Mornin Joan..Great to see you!..and relieved OJ is finally being held accountable for his criminals acts in this case! He has been flaunting his "Entitled" lifestyle and thumbing his nose at the Goldman's and legal judgements for years..and it seems he got too big for his briches!!

BTW..that blonde lady was not Sabrina..Tom Scotto's wife..but some relative to OJ and his sister..Sabrina has long, dark hair, a girl in her 20's and was beside Scotto..who was also balling his eyes out.

There are some video's and writeup on CNN/Crime:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/04/oj.simpson.verdict/index.html

LMS:seeya:

[Jay]

Well hello there stranger and off to the pen is right. Good to see ya Jay.


Right on bro!!! :)

[JBL]

do we have a mug shot yet?

They have an assortment to choose from. :D

[callmetree]

[QUOTE=barry'sgirl;12230351]WAHOOOOOO!!!!!!!



justice served!


my poor husband, i just jumped on the bed screaming "hes guilty hes guilty!!!"


it'sthe greatest day in the history of history!!!![/ LOL i've got to ask u this. did he care? everytime i mention this case or anything about these boards my better half just rolls his eyes or walks off. makes me want to:punch: him. :seeya:

[JBL]

It doesn't bother me that his co-defendants decided to accept plea deals. That was good lawyering by the lawyers for their clients in this case.

This might have been stupid but there were guns there & people were held against their will.

Lucky that this didn't escalate into something even more serious.

Yales whole defense was : He's OJ and OJ wanted his stuff.
I had to turn off the feed with Yales blathering why it was ok for OJ to do this and why OJ was so angry about it. Message loud and clear HE"S OJ.

Unbelievable.

[Fallen Angel]

They have an assortment to choose from. :D

well dont be selfish start sharing :D

[JBL]

This certainly is a black eye for Beardsleys civil suit! LOL

Maybe OJ will appear in court in his "SCRUBS" to vouch for Beardsley now. One hand washes the other right LOL

[callmetree]

At least call it what it is.

Anyone who says this is a just verdict in a case that couldn't have been more of a set up and sham are just trying to justify their own lust for revenge.

At least admit it.

this is just your opinion. and like you i have one also. i very much disagree with you so therefore, i will admit to no such thing. you have a great day .:rolleyes:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

This certainly is a black eye for Beardsleys civil suit! LOL

Maybe OJ will appear in court in his "SCRUBS" to vouch for Beardsley now. One hand washes the other right LOL


Dont think Beardsley's lawsuits will even be entertained by any court..On top of all that, in his interviews with Michel Bryant he has blathered on about all this OJ memorabilia out there..and he knows where it is ec..Me thinks turnover orders are in the works to obtain those assets.

Does anyone else think, now the door is opened..that all of OJ's liasons and associates of the past will now get exposed..and the truth of his game playing will now be known? Yale, at least I believe, is so involved with the "Shell Game" of hiding incomes and assets, and will also be exposed!! So much will come clear in the future!!!

LMS:D

[5swab5]

This certainly is a black eye for Beardsleys civil suit! LOL

Maybe OJ will appear in court in his "SCRUBS" to vouch for Beardsley now. One hand washes the other right LOL

Your're right.

Guess we will get to see how that "honor among thieves" thing holds up.

MOO

Swabby

[kennedy06]

I'm not surprised by the verdict. I caught a glimpse of the Scotto's crying when the verdict was announced. Geesh he must have really liked OJ. A bunch of older guys wanting to play young hoods or just wanting to impress their pro football hero and look what it got them. So who comes out smelling like a rose in this case? Tom R.???????



JMO

[starling]

Hmmmm, looks like the penalty in Nevada is quite a bit more severe for kidnapping without injury than California. They seem to start out at 40 years.

In California, when there is no injury and the person kidnapped is an adult, the penalties start with 3, 5 or 8 years.

Poor OJ, he should have done it California. :read:

Evidently they have no problem convicting a celeb in Nevada..as it should be everywhere!
That look OJ turned and gave the jury just confirmed the sociopath behavior for me.
I hope the Goldmans & Browns are having some sort of comfort today that the murderer of their children is back behind bars.




JMO

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I'm not surprised by the verdict. I caught a glimpse of the Scotto's crying when the verdict was announced. Geesh he must have really liked OJ. A bunch of older guys wanting to play young hoods or just wanting to impress their pro football hero and look what it got them. So who comes out smelling like a rose in this case? Tom R.???????



JMO

Not sure Riccio is smelling like roses..he is just one lucky son of a gun.. those cops didnt find that tape ontop of the armoire..otherwise he could have been held accountable to..He has been exposed for the opportunists that he is.even he doesnt apologize for that!!

I do wish that the media would stop giving him the time of day tho..everytime he gets interviewed..he hears 'Cha..Ching" as he advertises his latest sponsor..Geesh...Please oh please stop feeding Rizzio's lust for profit..!! That wasnt directed at you, kennedy..just to sponsors and media alike!!!

LMS:punch:

[Jay]

Well, I'm an inactive attorney and my friends even thought that I was a pretty nice fellow until I went to law school and passed the Calfiornia bar. That's when the nasty jokes started. :punch:

As a matter of fact, I never understood real prejudice until I became an attorney. LOL.

By the way, you certainly do sound knowledgable in legal matters. I mean that sincerely. Keep up the great comments. :)

(The only thing we ask of you is that you don't go to law school....there's no reason that you should be stressed out and unhappy in your job, too. LOL)


Hey, thanks for the compliment, coming from a law school graduate, that is pretty high praise! :)

Law school is out, way out!! I took criminal law as my major in College, but as far as graduate school, no fortitude there.

Have a nice weekend,


Jay

[warrkat]

Good morning, all.

Sorry I missed the jammie party; it sounded like fun. I did wake up about 2:30, and see the crawler on tv, but was too tired to get up outta the bed.

I feel good about this verdict, but sad, too, that such a talented and promising man has chosen to do the wrong thing in so many situations. He had a career, money, kids, a nice home, friends, fame....... guess it made him think he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it.
What a waste. jmo

[Heyes]

did you listen to the case? because if OJ would have been Joe Blow i still would have found him guilty :patriot:


Exactly!
What cracked me up was when on tape oj said ..Did you take the piece out in the hall?...and the defense said, what he really said was did you talk to the police out in the hall? Not a direct quote but something simular. I would imagine the defense will have to sit quiet for awhile to get their bearings, that was some major spinning they were doing.

[Buzz#1]

I've been off boards for a couple of years.Had to come back for this one! Does anyone know does Jason Williams have any business in Vegas?hammer

[jewel6]

I dont know if this has been posted, but i heard on fox news that before the verdict was read that the lights flickered off and then came back on. The lawyer in the court room said it was really eerie!

[Lyndawitha"Y]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/04/oj.simpson.verdict/index.html

This is a link to discussion on MSNBC about the verdict..Their thoughts on possible apeals and sentencing..

LMS:seeya:

[Buzz#1]

You mean like flipping the switch on the EC? 13 years ago!!!:eek:

[Heyes]

Seeing Orental cuffed and lead to jail made my day,,,,,,, week,,,, year!

[legalmania]

From my legal experience I know OJ will probably go Eglin Air Force Base where they will keep him nice and cozy, and probably improve his handycap, until his appeal is heard. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton will get involved to pay for another dream team, who will get him and C.J. off with time served and maybe probation. The Goldmans are screwed because they really won't see a penny now. Ruccio will be running for his life because Beardsley is probably wanting to go a few rounds with him. I really believe OJ and CJ will come out smelling like a rose.

[warhorse46]

The guilty verdict could not have happened to a more deserving person than OJ. I hope Judge Glass sentences him to the max amount allowed by law & he spends the rest of his life in prison.

[kennedy06]

I've been off boards for a couple of years.Had to come back for this one! Does anyone know does Jason Williams have any business in Vegas?hammer

His name was brought up on the Phil S. board by another poster also. :shrug:

Is there a (short answer) reason for this interest?

Have any jurors spoken to the press about their decisions in the OJ trial?

JMO

[callmetree]

This verdict is crap. CJ, especially should have been aquitted, and OJ was definately not guilty. This jury found the way they did because of the murders. Period! They DID NOT find for the evidence in this case.

I feel just sick. What an abboration of justice. IMHO, I can't say what my opionion is, it would involve a lot of cussing, and I'm really pis^ed.

get over it . i'm sure the rest of us will. being pi>sed as you say will only make your blood pressure rise or give you a headache. hope you feel better. :)

[warrkat]

.

Somebody stated on last night's thread that OJ was essentially given a "pass" for what he did 13 years ago, and I agree with that. Even with that lawsuit hanging over his head, all he had to do was keep a low profile, stay in Florida, and he could have enjoyed a long life in freedom. Now he's probably going to die in prison, and it's his own danged fault, imo.

I do feel just a teeny bit of sympathy because his so-called friends turned against him. IMO, they're just as guilty as he is, but they will get lighter sentences, maybe even probation.

[kennedy06]

From my legal experience I know OJ will probably go Eglin Air Force Base where they will keep him nice and cozy, and probably improve his handycap, until his appeal is heard. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton will get involved to pay for another dream team, who will get him and C.J. off with time served and maybe probation. The Goldmans are screwed because they really won't see a penny now. Ruccio will be running for his life because Beardsley is probably wanting to go a few rounds with him. I really believe OJ and CJ will come out smelling like a rose.

Really, hmmmm.

I have no idea how this will all be in the end but I think you are right on about T R. I can't imagine anyone befriending that guy after this or at least speaking to him without thinking how is he planning on profiting from their conversation!

JMO

[Squeekie]

He did the crime, now he'll do the time.

Thanks to all the posters in this section, it's been interesting following along.

[vonna]

I don't feel any need for sympathy for Simpson because his cronies excercised basic self-preservation and told the truth.

[warrkat]

From my legal experience I know OJ will probably go Eglin Air Force Base where they will keep him nice and cozy, and probably improve his handycap, until his appeal is heard. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton will get involved to pay for another dream team, who will get him and C.J. off with time served and maybe probation. The Goldmans are screwed because they really won't see a penny now. Ruccio will be running for his life because Beardsley is probably wanting to go a few rounds with him. I really believe OJ and CJ will come out smelling like a rose.

Why would they send him to Eglin?

[5swab5]

:lol::beer:
Hallelujah !! It took so loooong.
But they finally were able to get Simpson.
Who says that different law enforcement agencies can't work together?
I wonder when they were clued in on the entrapment the fences were working on OJ?
Does anybody here think that some smart police officer helped to set it up? I read that the thief who was "kidnapped" netted over 200,000 thousand in selling the tapes he made of the whole thing.
Maybe he should have to turn it over to the Goldmans?
In a fairer world, we would live in a state where a person wouldn't be considered a criminal for retrieving his stolen items from the thief who is trying to fence it.
In bazarro world we now live in, the thief is considered to be the victim.
:biggrin:

Simpson "GOT" his own self!

He is a bully and a thug that runs with bullies and thugs. It was only a matter of time.

IMO

Swabby

[Buzz#1]

The guilty verdict could not have happened to a more deserving person than OJ. I hope Judge Glass sentences him to the max amount allowed by law & he spends the rest of his life in prison.

Here Here:beer:

[legalmania]

Why would they send him to Eglin?

It's close to his kids and it is where they send all the high profile cases.

[lmercer]

I am soooooo tired about hearing how OJ is ALWAYS the victim GIMMEE A BREAK

[lmercer]

Simpson "GOT" his own self!

He is a bully and a thug that runs with bullies and thugs. It was only a matter of time.

IMO

Swabby

My thoughts exactly.:beer:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I would only comment on this issue if the moderator gives the OK.
OJ was definitely entrapped in this caper and this time, nobody had to plant any blood to get an indictment.
:biggrin:

It seems to be that no one gets entrapped as you call it.unless they have the mind to do it..The problem with OJ is that he has such a hate on for the Goldman's he was willing to rob with guns to get his valuable memorabillia back and kept away from getting seized to satisfy the judgement against him

It was OJ's ego, sense of entitlement and ability to assemble a bunch of thugs to try and getaway with this scam. He never thought Wimpy Beardsley would call the police, nor claim robbery..much to his detriment. Indeed..OJ got caught with his hand in the cookie jar so to speak!! OJ cannot blame the Goldman's nor Law Enforcement for his setup..He himself brought all the players together in this "Caper"..thus created his own demise!!

LMS:seeya:

[5swab5]

I would only comment on this issue if the moderator gives the OK.
OJ was definitely entrapped in this caper and this time, nobody had to plant any blood to get an indictment.
:biggrin:

How did the police "plant" OJ's blood at the crime scene before they ever drew any blood from him for DNA analysis?

Can't wait to hear your answer.

MOO

Swabby

[legalmania]

I wonder if the DA intends to indict the thief who was trying to fence the stolen goods?

They got who they wanted there not going to push this case any further.

[legalmania]

How did the police "plant" OJ's blood at the crime scene before they ever drew any blood from him for DNA analysis?

Can't wait to hear your answer.

MOO

Swabby

OMG let it go the man's in jail that's what everybody wanted it's over. Move on there are thousands of murders and child molesters out there still loose put your energy into them.

[barskin&co.]

I wonder if the DA intends to indict the thief who was trying to fence the stolen goods?

If the people inside that room really had stolen goods, OJ should have gone to the police and have them investigate and arrest them. You cannot burst into a room, brandishing guns, demanding the goods by force, and hold persons in the room by force. That is robbery and kidnapping. OJ did commit the crimes for which he was charged, pure and simple.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I wonder if the DA intends to indict the thief who was trying to fence the stolen goods?

Stolen goods???I have yet to see any document filed for such stolen property..There term stolen came from OJ's mouth and his mouth pieces...The truth is all this stuf was removed and hidden for the past decade plus just to keep out of the hands of seizure to go towards his Judgement of 33 million dollars.

As to OJ's goods..I would wager that now it is proven..and the players..i.e. Gilbert, Fromong and others had a hand in the shellgame..It's all going to unravel and get exposed!! Those involved just better come clean..or yes they will also get major indictements!!

LMS:seeya:

[Jay]

Why would they send him to Eglin?

Appropriate Sarcasm!!

Minimum security country club confinment!! :)

[legalmania]

Appropriate Sarcasm!!

Minimum security country club confinment!! :)

It's not sarcasm it is a definite possibility.

[Jay]

It's not sarcasm it is a definite possibility.

Why would they send a state prisoner to a federal facility? I suppose it can happen if the state reimburses the feds, but I never heard of it??

[legalmania]

Do you know this or is it just your opinion?

He is a Nevada state prisoner - he belongs in a Nevada State prison. They may send him to a Federal Pen for security reasons but I haven't heard this anywhere. Have you?

imo

I'm pretty sure. It is the only option I can see of. They don't keep you in the state of your conviction all the time. Most of the guys from watergate went there. I worked as a paralegal for many years and saw many rich high profile cases go to the better prisons which will probably happen here. He still in prison that's what everybody wanted.

[Velouria]

It seems to be that no one gets entrapped as you call it.unless they have the mind to do it..The problem with OJ is that he has such a hate on for the Goldman's he was willing to rob with guns to get his valuable memorabillia back and kept away from getting seized to satisfy the judgement against him

It was OJ's ego, sense of entitlement and ability to assemble a bunch of thugs to try and getaway with this scam. He never thought Wimpy Beardsley would call the police, nor claim robbery..much to his detriment. Indeed..OJ got caught with his hand in the cookie jar so to speak!! OJ cannot blame the Goldman's nor Law Enforcement for his setup..He himself brought all the players together in this "Caper"..thus created his own demise!!

LMS:seeya:

Excellent post!

He tried to skirt the civil judgment to spite Fred Goldman, and it came back to bite him in his murderous you-know-what. The thugs and low-lifes who became his hangers-on turned on him. Awwwww...

Enough of the hand wringing over poor, railroaded OJ. Who knows? Maybe he'll bump into the REAL killers during his LOOOONG (hopefully) prison stay.

[legalmania]

Why would they send a state prisoner to a federal facility? I suppose it can happen if the state reimburses the feds, but I never heard of it??

Eglin is state and federally funded.

[Jay]

Eglin is state and federally funded.


They must have concurrent jurisdiction then?

[warrkat]

I wonder if the DA intends to indict the thief who was trying to fence the stolen goods?

Stolen goods? I thought everything in the room was the stuff from the storage unit.

[Jay]

I just checked, Elgin in in Florida! I was thinking it was in Nevada from the posts?

I don't see how NV can send a state prisoner to FL?

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Just a heads up..MSNBC has stated there will be a news conference at 1PM their time 4PM EST on this case..nothing mentioned as to content except to say, Riccio will be speaking..

For myself..I hope they make sure he does not give any adverts to get further money from his clients wishing advertising..Riccio..has made far too much money in this already..

LMS:seeya:

[eagleeer]

do we have a mug shot yet?

What? You haven't seen enough of his mug by now? LOL

[Jay]

No, GWB can't pardon him. He won't be officially sentenced until December 5, so there will be a new president then.




http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12230307&highlight=pardon#post12230307

[Pag Boi]

No, GWB can't pardon him. He won't be officially sentenced until December 5, so there will be a new president then.

There will a lame duck in office :read:

[warrkat]

No, GWB can't pardon him. He won't be officially sentenced until December 5, so there will be a new president then.

New president doesn't take office until Jan. 20

[Jay]

As I said, GWB can't pardon him.

From your statement:


"No, GWB can't pardon him. He won't be officially sentenced until December 5, so there will be a new president then."

I gathered you meant dubya had power to but could not because of the election?

[Lyndawitha"Y]

As I said, GWB can't pardon him.

I have to ask...Just why would any president pardon this thug anyway???Who would be the lobbyist trying to get such a pardon.?.OJ owes back taxes, he has avoided civil judgements against him, he has hidden his assets and just stayed one step ahead of any seizures..So once again, just what redeeming fact would give compassion to the heart of any president????

LMS:confused:

[legalmania]

Which state?

the state of Florida.

[cherylt]

Great news! Hey Lynda!!!

I finally gave up last night a little after midnight (eastern). Seems I would have had to wait another 2 hours anyway. Geez, I really can't believe they didn't wait until Monday (how inconsiderate of them)! :)

Wow - both of them G on all counts. Is that even including the charges that had a choice of enhance of w/ a deadly weapon? I think I heard that when I played it back, but just wanted to be sure.

Good afternoon!

:patriot:

[AnnInOhio]

District Court Judge Stewart Bell, Judicial Media Liason for this case, was on InSession on 10/1/08. His role is to be available to answer media questions about what the law is or about court procedure. He doesn't discuss the facts or strategy or anything like that, but if the media needs answers so they can share with the public the true facts he is available to them. He said sentencing never takes place right away. A Pre-sentence investigation report is prepared to give the Court the background of the defendent, things the Court might not otherwise know so the Court can decide appropriate sentencing.
He said if convicted, OJ (and presumably Stewart) would first go to the prision classification system at Indian Springs for about 3 weeks where they would look into his background and do psychological testing before deciding what level of security is required. They could place him in any one of the more than 20 prisons around the state depending upon the outcome of that assessment.

[eagleeer]

No, GWB can't pardon him. He won't be officially sentenced until December 5, so there will be a new president then.
Excuse me but GWB will still be president until Jan. 20th 2009. I am wondering tho if the Governor of Nevada could pardon him. I don't know why he would but just wondering.

[cherylt]

District Court Judge Stewart Bell, Judicial Media Liason for this case, was on InSession on 10/1/08. His role is to be available to answer media questions about what the law is or about court procedure. He doesn't discuss the facts or strategy or anything like that, but if the media needs answers so they can share with the public the true facts he is available to them. He said sentencing never takes place right away. A Pre-sentence investigation report is prepared to give the Court the background of the defendent, things the Court might not otherwise know so the Court can decide appropriate sentencing.
He said if convicted, OJ (and presumably Stewart) would first go to the prision classification system at Indian Springs for about 3 weeks where they would look into his background and do psychological testing before deciding what level of security is required. They could place him in any one of the more than 20 prisons around the state depending upon the outcome of that assessment.


Thanks for the info, that is good detail. I guess Sentencing will probably wait at least until Judge Glass comes back from her cruise........:)

ETA - Just found out sentence date is 12/5/08

[Jay]

Excuse me but GWB will still be president until Jan. 20th 2009. I am wondering tho if the Governor of Nevada could pardon him. I don't know why he would but just wondering.

Nevada Constitution: Article 1:

Sec: 13. Pardons, reprieves and commutations of sentence; remission of fines and forfeitures. The Governor shall have the power to suspend the collection of fines and forfeitures and grant reprieves for a period not exceeding sixty days dating from the time of conviction, for all offenses, except in cases of impeachment. Upon conviction for treason he shall have power to suspend the execution of the sentence until the case shall be reported to the Legislature at its next meeting, when the Legislature shall either pardon, direct the execution of the sentence, or grant a further reprieve. And if the Legislature should fail or refuse to make final disposition of such case, the sentence shall be enforced at such time and place as the Governor by his order may direct. The Governor shall communicate to the Legislature, at the beginning of every session, every case of fine or forfeiture remitted, or reprieve, pardon, or commutation granted, stating the name of the convict, the crime of which he was convicted, the Sentence, its date, and the date of the remission, commutation, pardon or reprieve.

[Suburban]

I raise my glass of Sweet Tea in a toast to Nicole & Ron:



May you finally Rest In Peace!!


:beer:

[AnnInOhio]

Thanks for the info, that is good detail. I guess Sentencing will probably wait at least until Judge Glass comes back from her cruise........:)

ETA - Just found out sentence date is 12/5/08

I hope they make OJ's psych report available. I'd love to see his diagnosis.

[Pooh]

Does anyone know if they took OJ into custody after he was found guilty?

[Mr. Moto2]

Does anyone know if they took OJ into custody after he was found guilty?

Yeah, they did. I turned on the TV just as this was happening.

[eagleeer]

Legalmania,
Isn't kidnapping a Federal crime or is it only Federal if someone that is kidnapped is transported across State lines?

[Jay]

Does anyone know if they took OJ into custody after he was found guilty?


Yes, his bail was revoked upon conviction.

[legalmania]

Great news! Hey Lynda!!!

I finally gave up last night a little after midnight (eastern). Seems I would have had to wait another 2 hours anyway. Geez, I really can't believe they didn't wait until Monday (how inconsiderate of them)! :)

Wow - both of them G on all counts. Is that even including the charges that had a choice of enhance of w/ a deadly weapon? I think I heard that when I played it back, but just wanted to be sure.

Good afternoon!

:patriot:

Hey cherylt:

Well I'm glad it's over it was really getting me behind on my web site. I finally used the legal edge and liked talking while waiting for the verdict. I know you were the first one to mention the legal edge but a lot of people have said something like they found it. They found it through you. Just wanted to let you know I knew you were the original finder and it's a great site. By the way I know you've been following the Brian N case what is his defense? One more thing is there anywhere where we can see PS?

[AnnInOhio]

I am probably the only person here who is going to agree with you. I also think that many people actually do enjoy seeing him go to prison, for a crime he was acquitted of 13 years ago. Our system of justice is broken and our founders would be horrified.

moo

I'm curious. Did you two posters watch all of this trial closely? This conviction was for this crime and the evidence for conviction was there. He hasn't been sentenced yet so nobody knows how long his sentence will be. I don't personally enjoy seeing anybody going to prison, but then I also don't enjoy watching people who throw their lives away by making poor choices.

[Mr. Moto2]

Curious.. anyone side with OJ on this board? Or feel he was overcharged?

ETA, oh I just noticed the posts by SqueakyClean and hobbylaw.

[Jay]

Legalmania,
Isn't kidnapping a Federal crime or is it only Federal if someone that is kidnapped is transported across State lines?


There has to be a federal element, yes.

The "presumption" is, if the person is missing more than 24 hours, they were transported across state lines, for investigation purposes, that is!!

[Pooh]

Yeah, they did. I turned on the TV just as this was happening.
Thanks, Mr. Moto2. I don't think the jury had any choice given the law and I think they did the right thing. Finally, this scum is going away for a while.

[trich]

Does anyone know if they took OJ into custody after he was found guilty?

Yes they cuffed him and took him off to jail.
I saw it on tv.


I also have to add I am so happy that this jury had sense enough to hear the evidence and realize he did exactly what he was charged with.
I think what happened 13 years ago was certainly an injustice but has nothing to do with his arrogance and mind set that he could bust into a hotel room and not allow people to leave....
If he was any kind of decent person he would have called the police and told them someone was in room xxxx and they had with them his property that they stole.
But no.....he gets thugs to go with him and threaten others and take what he thought belonged to him.
All you had to do was listen to the tape where he said don't any one more ,...don't let anyone out., etc
to know he is guilty.
Notice he did not get up on the stand to testify in his own behalf.

Of course it is obvious why!

All I can say is WHOOOOOHOOOOO!
I know they will appeal but I hope he stays in jail for a very very long time.

[DebinNv]

I am probably the only person here who is going to agree with you. I also think that many people actually do enjoy seeing him go to prison, for a crime he was acquitted of 13 years ago. Our system of justice is broken and our founders would be horrified.

moo

I am happy to see him go to prison for the crime he committed in Vegas!

[legalmania]

As I said, GWB can't pardon him.

GWB has bigger problems than OJ.

[Spanky]

You could have heard my screams of joy for miles when I saw the news this morning! Thank you jury members!

:beer::patriot::beer:

10/3, 13H, 13Y....Hummmm....Karma perhaps?

[eagleeer]

I only watched the last week of the trial and only sporadically. Wasn't it Riccio who orchestrated this on behalf of OJ and if so, how in the heII did he come out so clean on this Not to mention the amount of money he's going to make at the expense of OJ.

[AnnInOhio]

Yeah me. I think that was pretty evident when the police laughed about it and said they would get him since California couldn't.

And they did although you seem to overlook the point that the police were laughing in that conversation - joking. Nevada, unlike LA, crossed their T's and dotted their I's and carefully built a solid case.

[legalmania]

District Court Judge Stewart Bell, Judicial Media Liason for this case, was on InSession on 10/1/08. His role is to be available to answer media questions about what the law is or about court procedure. He doesn't discuss the facts or strategy or anything like that, but if the media needs answers so they can share with the public the true facts he is available to them. He said sentencing never takes place right away. A Pre-sentence investigation report is prepared to give the Court the background of the defendent, things the Court might not otherwise know so the Court can decide appropriate sentencing.
He said if convicted, OJ (and presumably Stewart) would first go to the prision classification system at Indian Springs for about 3 weeks where they would look into his background and do psychological testing before deciding what level of security is required. They could place him in any one of the more than 20 prisons around the state depending upon the outcome of that assessment.

I know you were just quoting but the statement about sentencing never taken place right away is not always true I have seen many cases where sentencing has taken place if the attorney's stipulate.

[legalmania]

Legalmania,
Isn't kidnapping a Federal crime or is it only Federal if someone that is kidnapped is transported across State lines?

I think it has to do with the laws of your state. A lot of things have to come into play as to how you are charged.

[sunstar]

Yes, his bail was revoked upon conviction.

You just answered the question I was about to ask! I tried to stay up last night waiting for a verdict but had to give up and just heard this morning about the conviction. No more golf courses, no more living in his house in Florida. Finally! :patriot:

[Mr. Moto2]

Yeah me. I think that was pretty evident when the police laughed about it and said they would get him since California couldn't.

Yes, I saw the posts by you and hobbylaw. I haven't followed this case at all, but wouldn't you know, now I'm getting interested. At the very least I would say OJ pulled a foolhardy stunt - and he shot himself in the foot.

[sunstar]

You could have heard my screams of joy for miles when I saw the news this morning! Thank you jury members!

:beer::patriot::beer:

10/3, 13H, 13Y....Hummmm....Karma perhaps?

I completely agree ~ karma! I thought last night how ironic it would be for a guilty verdict to come down on the 13th anniversary of the acquittal for Ron & Nicole's murder. Even though these aren't the same charges, finally they will see some justice with him being in prison probably for the rest of his life.

[cherylt]

Hey cherylt:

Well I'm glad it's over it was really getting me behind on my web site. I finally used the legal edge and liked talking while waiting for the verdict. I know you were the first one to mention the legal edge but a lot of people have said something like they found it. They found it through you. Just wanted to let you know I knew you were the original finder and it's a great site. By the way I know you've been following the Brian N case what is his defense? One more thing is there anywhere where we can see PS?

HI LM!

I'm glad it's over too. Just sorry I didn't stay up until at least 2:00 am to see the verdict... Thank you for the kudos to me for thelegaledge, I know I've read that from others & I think "hey, I'm the 1st one to mention it", but no big deal. I'm just glad others found it and used it so Michael Bryant has the users to keep the site going. I hope he goes on to the Phil S case next.

RE: Brian Nichols - his defense is GBRI. GMAB! He will lose; and get the DP. He wanted to plead to G w/ LWOP but the state wouldn't have it. They definitely wanted the DP for ALL of his victims - there are about a dozen believe or not even though he "only" killed 4. UGH.
As far as PS, like I said hoping it will be on legaledge. But I've also heard there has been no bid for cameras yet. I hope that changes - jury selection is supposed to being (I think) around 10/14 and J-13 assured me the will have all the updates when we get closer to that date on their home page. I don't know if CNN/TruTV will pay again, but I think they should. There still is a lot of interest & most people who followed it at first want to see it to its inevitable conclusion...
I

[Jay]

Federal Kidnapping statute:


http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00001201----000-.html

Prosecution MUST be based on the federal element, see (a) (1) et seq..


however, as I pointed out before for investigation purposes:


(b) With respect to subsection (a)(1), above, the failure to release the victim within twenty-four hours after he shall have been unlawfully seized, confined, inveigled, decoyed, kidnapped, abducted, or carried away shall create a rebuttable presumption that such person has been transported in interstate or foreign commerce. Notwithstanding the preceding sentence, the fact that the presumption under this section has not yet taken effect does not preclude a Federal investigation of a possible violation of this section before the 24-hour period has ended.

[cherylt]

Exactly -- Well stated, Lynda. Thank you for all your thoughtful and well written postings.

And, as for the rumors that Simpson might be sent to the federal prison camp, which had a reputation for doing easy time, at Elgin AF Base in Florida, I don't see that happening. With some exceptions, federal prisons are for those convicted of federal crimes in federal courts. That is not the case here.

Nevada has sufficient prison cells to house Stewart and Simpson. If they deserve to be placed in a minimum security area, that is where they will assigned. If the Nevada State Prison System believes that one or both of them needs to be protected from other inmates that can be arranged also.

My major city newspaper gave the verdicts in this case a small wrap-up article which appeared on page 8 ... hardly huge headlines - LOL.

By Christmas, the majority of Americans will have forgotten about O. J. Simpson being in prison - who went from being famous to notorious. And, he did that all by himself.

It would be great if he goes to the "hinterlands of Ely" (as stated by Charla Mack's bro). He would be in good company there w/ DM...

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I only watched the last week of the trial and only sporadically. Wasn't it Riccio who orchestrated this on behalf of OJ and if so, how in the heII did he come out so clean on this Not to mention the amount of money he's going to make at the expense of OJ.

Our Mr. Riccio only avoided the same s the others by the grace of God..as IF the Police HAD FOUND that tape...he'd be shoulder to shoulder with the rest of the low lives..I do however, wish to keep Cashmore aside from this thing tho....

Since the police did not find that tape..Riccio was able to solicit an "Immunity Deal" prior to admitting anything to LE..and yes he is such a parasite, and media just keep on giving him airtime..so He is goiing t profit!! Riccio is not clean by anymeans..he's in the same "Pig Sty" along with many other conmen that swirl around behind the scenes, pilfering garbage cans, taping people, manipulating those who fall for his BS.. GEEESH!!

He too will one say get caught..maybe not this go round..but he is destined to crash one day!!

LMS

[Velouria]

I am probably the only person here who is going to agree with you. I also think that many people actually do enjoy seeing him go to prison, for a crime he was acquitted of 13 years ago. Our system of justice is broken and our founders would be horrified.

moo

Were you complaining about how "broken" the justice system is 13 years ago when the jury deliberated only FOUR hours following EIGHT MONTHS of testimony?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

[caphill]

NV overturned the verdicts of Rick Tabish & Sandra Murphy on technicalitiy(ies) - so OJ has a glimmer of hope wee as it might be

jmoo


The verdict in the Murphy/Tabish was a due process reversal by the NV Supreme Court. They were awquitted of murder in the retrial.

David Rogers was the lead prosecutor in the original trial. There was alleged prosecutor misconduct in the trial.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I may very well be wrong here..but arnt those "Federal Prisons" such as Eglin reserved for "Non-Violent" offenders..I can not see anyone (Notoriety Aside) convicted of gun-related felonies get sent to "Club Fed" for the rest of their lives??I dont see that..Hummm?

Just asking...
LMS:confused:

[sunstar]

It would be great if he goes to the "hinterlands of Ely" (as stated by Charla Mack's bro). He would be in good company there w/ DM...

I thought of that this morning when I heard the verdict. What a good pair they'd be since I've heard OJ was one of Mack's heroes. :D

[Velouria]

I have little doubt that he will get a new trial, hopefully with a judge who isn't menopausal.
:seeya:

So sorry, not everyone can be a Judge Ito.

[cherylt]

I thought of that this morning when I heard the verdict. What a good pair they'd be since I've heard OJ was one of Mack's heroes. :D

That's great! I don't remember that. Maybe they both have / will have a little window in their cell with a view of a golf course, since I think, DM loved golf too.. Torture, eh?

[Velouria]

I see Galanter whining on TV that the jury were biased. He helped picked them. Who is he kidding?

in my opinion


He's only miffed that they weren't biased in favor of his client, like last time.

[Mr. Moto2]

I have little doubt that he will get a new trial, hopefully with a judge who isn't menopausal. Maybe you can watch the retrial when it happens.
:seeya:

We'll see what happens. Man, I've just realized his kids (from Nicole) are in their early 20s now. I wonder if they were still living with him. Wonder what they are going to do. Wow.

[legalmania]

HI LM!

I'm glad it's over too. Just sorry I didn't stay up until at least 2:00 am to see the verdict... Thank you for the kudos to me for thelegaledge, I know I've read that from others & I think "hey, I'm the 1st one to mention it", but no big deal. I'm just glad others found it and used it so Michael Bryant has the users to keep the site going. I hope he goes on to the Phil S case next.

RE: Brian Nichols - his defense is GBRI. GMAB! He will lose; and get the DP. He wanted to plead to G w/ LWOP but the state wouldn't have it. They definitely wanted the DP for ALL of his victims - there are about a dozen believe or not even though he "only" killed 4. UGH.
As far as PS, like I said hoping it will be on legaledge. But I've also heard there has been no bid for cameras yet. I hope that changes - jury selection is supposed to being (I think) around 10/14 and J-13 assured me the will have all the updates when we get closer to that date on their home page. I don't know if CNN/TruTV will pay again, but I think they should. There still is a lot of interest & most people who followed it at first want to see it to its inevitable conclusion...
I

Thanks cherylt,

Well back to books I've been looking for a book from 1795 on every site there is and it doesn't exist, but I know it does because I'm looking at it. It's things like this that I dislike about research. Then sometimes I'll find it after 2 hours and it will only be worth $5. Oh well it's something to do. Thanks for the info.

[cherylt]

So sorry, not everyone can be a Judge Ito.

And I just watched a clip of Richard Herman (RABID defense attorney) say there is LITTLE chance of an appeal being granted. And for him to say that, says a lot.... I usually HATE listening to him because he is so slanted the other way, but even he sees the common sense here.

[sunstar]

That's great! I don't remember that. Maybe they both have / will have a little window in their cell with a view of a golf course, since I think, DM loved golf too.. Torture, eh?

I too was visualizing OJ sitting in his cell looking at a golf course, but I'm sure the state prison wherever he goes won't be near one. He'll probably be a hero though signing autographs for the inmates. :(

[sunstar]

Ok, who are the OJ fans here that will write him letters while he is in jail?

:biggrin:

Not me! :D I remember when he was in jail waiting for the murder trial how people wrote him all these support letters and he put them in a book. I've often wondered if any of those people changed their opinions over the years.

[marabeth]

BeeBee,
OJ didn't steal a chocolate bar. This has nothing to do with 13 years ago, either. If you followed the case and listened to the tapes, you'd know that this is a separate crime(s). Armed robbery is not child's play.

Amen..I am relieved by the verdict, the evidence was clearly there.. I thought perhaps OJ could get away with anything. He seemed to think so..with good reason.

[cherylt]

They are still living with him. What are they going to do now? Stop living off of daddy, finish school, get a decent job and not wind up in jail. If you have been following this case, you'd would have learned they aren't in a very good place.

in my opinion

Isn't his football pension something like $250,000 a year? They can't live on that?? Geez, I'll take it & do very well, thank you very much.

[barskin&co.]

There will a lame duck in office :read:

Lame ducks pardon people all the time. As a matter of fact, lame ducks often pardon a whole bunch of contraversial people while they still can.
Until a new president is inaugaurated on January 20, Dubyah is still President. I wouldn't expect him to pardon OJ, though. He's unpopular enough as it is.

[sunstar]

They are still living with him. What are they going to do now? Stop living off of daddy, finish school, get a decent job and not wind up in jail. If you have been following this case, you'd would have learned they aren't in a very good place.

in my opinion

I wonder if they'll go back to California and form a relationship with Nicole's family now that "dad" is going to be in prison (next door in Nevada)? Over the years, I've felt so sorry for the kids, so young when their mother was murdered and being under his control all these years.

[caphill]

I LOVE Las Vegas!

This one's for you Ron, Nicole, Fred and Kim!

This is like Christmas!


Spoken as if you were on the jury. This kind of thinking is why this case will be looked at very carefully for appeal issues.

[Spanky]

I saw on either CNN or MSNBC that Tom Riccio will hold a Press Conference this afternoon at 1:00 PST (10/4). Does anyone know if this will be televised?

This guy is such a character, I find him quite entertaining. :tongue:

[L J]

If only we could have tried,Blake,Jackson,Williams,and Specter in LV Nevada because, we don't seem to be able to get the right verdict here in Cal.
L J

[sunstar]

Isn't his football pension something like $250,000 a year? They can't live on that?? Geez, I'll take it & do very well, thank you very much.

Would the kids get his NFL pension? I don't know how that works exactly when the ex-player is in prison. :shrug:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Isn't his football pension something like $250,000 a year? They can't live on that?? Geez, I'll take it & do very well, thank you very much.

I do believe its more like 400,000.00 a year..I'll try to find a link for that..give me a few minutes...

LMS:seeya:

[AnnInOhio]

I know you were just quoting but the statement about sentencing never taken place right away is not always true I have seen many cases where sentencing has taken place if the attorney's stipulate.

I was "just quoting" the man appointed by the court where OJ was just found guilty whose job it is to disperse accurate information to the press regarding this case.

[Jay]

Lame ducks pardon people all the time. As a matter of fact, lame ducks often pardon a whole bunch of contraversial people while they still can.
Until a new president is inaugaurated on January 20, Dubyah is still President. I wouldn't expect him to pardon OJ, though. He's unpopular enough as it is.


The President can NOT pardon a state criminal:

Article 2:

Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

[cherylt]

Would the kids get his NFL pension? I don't know how that works exactly when the ex-player is in prison. :shrug:

Well, the $$ goes to him, why wouldn't he share/give some to his own kids? That's a lot of mooola. His pension won't stop because he goes to jail, I think...

[sunstar]

The President can NOT pardon a state criminal:

Article 2:

Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

Thank you for the link, but it seems almost laughable to me to think of Pres. Bush pardoning anybody who so many Americans believe got away with double murder. After all, he was the Governor of Texas, the leader in executions on death row. MOO

[cherylt]

OK - hmmmm- wonder which trial TTV will follow next? I am really hoping they shoot on over to the Brian Nichols case because that will be going on for months & they can also play other trials on dark or short days. Audio for BN trial by local channels is horrible, but Maybe if TTV takes over it will be WAY better...

Does anyone know if they picked a trial to follow next?

[Details]

I didn't follow this case closely. I would like to see some discussion from any one who watched the legal proceedings and may have info on the motions filed. I did read about the voir dire issue with the two African American women because one was minister and they were religious.

From what little I observed Judge Glass ,from day one, made no bones about her distain for OJ. The only thing I saw that I thought questionable was the last prosecution witness, a detective, blurted out that the main defense witness, Mr. Scotto, had been thrown out of the prelims because of tampering with a witness. The courtroom erupted. Both sides thought the witness said Mr. Scotto. After a replay the witness said Mrs. Scotto. Firstly the witnesses was not in the courtroom for the prelim and had no direct knowledge to support his statement. This detective ,IMO, made that statement to posion the credibility of Mr. Scotto. There is no other reason I could see for him to blurt out that info.

Judge Glass didn't see this as a problem after she determined the detective said Mrs. rather than Mr. Scotto and I heard her direct quote "I have unrung the bell with jury" This was a part of her response/ruling to the defense's call for a mistrial.

I agree that appeals can take years. I am hoping someone knowledgeable has some info to share of other possible appellate issues.I followed the case closely. No juror was eliminated nor selected due to their race. It was chance, and a mostly white jury pool, not racial selection, that lead to the white jury. Yale did attempt to get the black alternates moved onto the main panel, early on, but since racial considerations are not allowed in jury selection, you cannot select nor reject a juror based on their race, that was simply not legal.

Judge Glass never showed any disdain for OJ. She did have to fight attorneys who were attempting to talk over her instructions, fight things out themselves, blurt out speaking objections to testify to the jurors, and who often would attempt to completely ignore her upholding of an objection, simply continuing to talk as if she had said nothing. And even while chastising, and sometimes yelling at these lawyers, she also upheld their objections (yes, the defense objections, all of the time), denied the prosecution a key witness due to defense objections, limited another prosecution witness to about three sentences, and generally was extremely protective of OJ's rights. She had several high priced lawyers trying to make a name for themselves, and they did try to walk all over her, and yes, she did have to get pretty vocal to smack them down, make them operate within the normal rules of a court room - to let the witness answer, to provide objections in a normal manner, and to respond to her rulings.


The detective made a mistake. He gave the reason why he was unable to meet with Mr. Scotto at one point in time, when that bit was irrelevant to the question and not something he had seen - but he did not say Mr. Scotto was doing anything bad, which means his testimony would not have been poisoned by this. While this isn't ideal - as Glass said, they've had a ton of witnesses doing the exact same thing over and over and over again in this trial, answering more than the question put to them - Riccio was the king of that, but others did as much and worse. Nor was this allegation of witness tampering even close to the first or worst - the witness before talked about a possible hit on a witness, the defense's favorite topic during cross examination was characterizing one witnesses' phone call as an offer to slant his testimony to OJ for money. And this is a bit normal - people do answer more than they should, and both defense and prosecution had points they were trying to inject with that. In particular, the defense used every chance they had to claim the goods were stolen and to imply Beardsley and Fromong knew that - also information that is not relevant to the trial and is prejudicial to the victims.

[sunstar]

I think his pension is $300,000. per year, but I don't think a felony conviction has any impact on it at all. It's his money to do with as he pleases.

What I don't know is if his change in residency from Florida to Nevada affects Fred Goldman's ability to get his hands on any of OJ's assets.

Oh, that is a good question about his residency. So, OJ could still collect his pension while in prison, but I thought it was off limits from the Goldmans, not just because OJ lived in Florida. :shrug:

[sunstar]

OK - hmmmm- wonder which trial TTV will follow next? I am really hoping they shoot on over to the Brian Nichols case because that will be going on for months & they can also play other trials on dark or short days. Audio for BN trial by local channels is horrible, but Maybe if TTV takes over it will be WAY better...

Does anyone know if they picked a trial to follow next?

I'm hoping it's Phil Spector ~ part 2. :D

[callmetree]

They are still living with him. What are they going to do now? Stop living off of daddy, finish school, get a decent job and not wind up in jail. If you have been following this case, you'd would have learned they aren't in a very good place.

in my opinion

i've followed the case and i actually thought i was the only one that ever really asked about his children. i never got an answer and still haven't gotten much of one from your post. sorry! they are the ones that should be worried about now. forget him:cuss: his actions have caused these children more pain in the last 13 years than most of us endure in a lifetime. JMOO

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I think its about $30,000 a month which is over $300,000 a year

I think your right..but no one knows exactly..but I did find an article on his pesion..but dated in 2005..so who knows what it up to now given inflation etc...: This is what I found:

http://happycapitalist.blogspot.com/2006/11/oj-pensions-erisa-and-golf.html

LMS:read:

[cherylt]

Oh, that is a good question about his residency. So, OJ could still collect his pension while in prison, but I thought it was off limits from the Goldmans, not just because OJ lived in Florida. :shrug:

His pension has ALWAYS been off limits.

[bearwds]

Whichever prison OJ is sent to, I'm fairly certain he will be housed in a "Special Needs" unit.

There he will cavort with child molesters and pedophiles. To classify him in a "regular" lock-up would be a death sentence. It would be a race to find the shank if he ever walked on the general yard population. He has no "street cred" and would be a walking (not for long) target. Jeff Dahlmer "justice" would adhere. Prison officials want nothing except to keep their jobs and having a high profile inmate attacked is not on their agenda. Caution as to classification.

I posted as the verdict was announced. Very happy. The double-murderer is finally where he should be. Revenge for the nullification in 1994..?? Yes. He did this crime as well and was justly found guilty. Way past time for him to go away and not be the poison rotting at the core of our society.

Just my opinion on an opinion Board.


bearwds

[cloe23]

TY all for the great posts and updates. I had not a clue that the verdict was in until I logged on to the Internet and it comes flashing onto my homepage! "OJ FOUND GUILTY"
I remember last year about this time my DH and I went to NFL game and there was a guy sitting in front of us wearing an OJ jersey and were like what a stupid thing to do! Wonder if OJ fans will turn on him now?
I am so happy justice/karma finally caught up with this creep! JMO:seeya:
BTW it was a Vikings vs Packers game which IMO wearing an OJ jersey was sickening.

[Suburban]

A couple weeks ago I read a story that the police were called to OJ's house because of a fight between OJ & his daughter...They were supposedly fighting over his girlfriend and her excessive drug use & his daughter knocked him upside his head & onto the floor.

[Suburban]

That was Arnelle - she was upset that OJ spends to much on his girfirend while her mom (OJ's 1st wife) has to work at Walmart to make ends meet. (OJ denied it ever happened). But with Sydney - there was the 911 call where she called her dad "a monster in a father suit".


"Monster in a father suit"

Sad....So now all of his kids are screwed up one way or another.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

i've followed the case and i actually thought i was the only one that ever really asked about his children. i never got an answer and still haven't gotten much of one from your post. sorry! they are the ones that should be worried about now. forget him:cuss: his actions have caused these children more pain in the last 13 years than most of us endure in a lifetime. JMOO

Call..I did post some links about Sydney and Justin last weekend..they are 19 (approx) and 21/22 for Sydney..and both have been in school and College...They apparantly stay in the Fla home when off school, but thankfully, their personal lives have not been lived in a "Fishbowl"..so details are known through OJ interviews..

I do think they will do just fine, as they have a large support system being the Browns and the Simpsons..They did live with the Browns first few years after that infamous first trial..and some child custody issues had to be dealt with..and so on..But I have to believe they will be well supported in their adult years!!

LMS:seeya:

[5swab5]

Is the presser @ 4PM EDT? I wrote it down, I swear I did, but I think the puppy ate my Post-IT.

TIA

Swabby

[Suburban]

Call..I did post some links about Sydney and Justin last weekend..they are 19 (approx) and 21/22 for Sydney..and both have been in school and College...They apparantly stay in the Fla home when off school, but thankfully, their personal lives have not been lived in a "Fishbowl"..so details are known through OJ interviews..

I do think they will do just fine, as they have a large support system being the Browns and the Simpsons..They did live with the Browns first few years after that infamous first trial..and some child custody issues had to be dealt with..and so on..But I have to believe they will be well supported in their adult years!!

LMS:seeya:


Good!! They just both need to keep on track with their lives....There was a wrench thrown into it yesterday & will be again on December 5th...What do they think of their Dad? We don't know & probably never will...I don't really see them wanting to "benefit" from any of this heartbreak & embarrasment that he has brought unto them.

[sunstar]

His pension has ALWAYS been off limits.

I know ~ so it will still be and the only real question is if he'll keep it or share it with his kids. :)

[cherylt]

I'm thinking that he would be more the hero in prison? Tell me to go back to my other board if you want. Just reading and commenting as I read.

I kind of believe that too. They may very well think of him as a "hero" among them. And w/ his "charming" personality, maybe other inmates may look up to him... YUK!! and Puke! JMO...

[Lyndawitha"Y]

A couple weeks ago I read a story that the police were called to OJ's house because of a fight between OJ & his daughter...They were supposedly fighting over his girlfriend and her excessive drug use & his daughter knocked him upside his head & onto the floor.

I do believe that daughter referred to was Arnell..not Sydney..The fight stemmed from OJ's lack of support to her bio mum..who has to work at Walmart to pay her bills, yet Christy Prody get supported in all her habits..and Arnell was furious..

Just wanted to clarify, which OJ daughter was involved!!

LMS

[sunstar]

That was one of his older daughters, not Nicole's daughter. (I can't even remember the kids names now)

That would be Arnelle, his oldest daughter. Jason's her brother. The kids he had with Nicole are Justin and Sydney. :)

[Suburban]

I do believe that daughter referred to was Arnell..not Sydney..The fight stemmed from OJ's lack of support to her bio mum..who has to work at Walmart to pay her bills, yet Christy Prody get supported in all her habits..and Arnell was furious..

Just wanted to clarify, which OJ daughter was involved!!

LMS


No problem...I didn't know which one it was either....I just assumed it was Sydney....Didn't even think about the other "grown" children involved in his life.

[sunstar]

I kind of believe that too. They may very well think of him as a "hero" among them. And w/ his "charming" personality, maybe other inmates may look up to him... YUK!! and Puke! JMO...

I agree ~ other inmates will be wanting his autograph.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

That was Arnelle - she was upset that OJ spends to much on his girfirend while her mom (OJ's 1st wife) has to work at Walmart to make ends meet. (OJ denied it ever happened). But with Sydney - there was the 911 call where she called her dad "a monster in a father suit".

Right on Snow..I felt compelled to correct that thought of Sydney fighting with Prody and OJ too..:beer:

LMS

[callmetree]

There was a whole discussion the other day regarding the kids. Mostly his daughter who beat OJ and Prody up. Remember?

I agree with you. See how selfish OJ is at all times? He didn't think about what would happen to his children while he was committing a crime. Hope they turn on him and never visit him. Forget he existed and get on with their lives.

in my opinion of course

wasn't that his daughter from his first marriage?:shrug: i was referring to his children with nicole brown.

[bearwds]

I'm thinking that he would be more the hero in prison? Tell me to go back to my other board if you want. Just reading and commenting as I read.
***************************************

Don't go. Ironically, my sig line of summation of Alan Jackson in PS-1.

Hero..?? Don't think so.

He was convicted in a robbery where he didn't hold a gun and relied on his thugs to do the dirty work. Not much cred there.

He was acquitted of almost slicing off the head of his second wife. Attacks against women are not high up on the list of admirable (?) qualities found on the prison yard.

I would expect him to buy his loyalty from his prison trust account when the canteen opens.


bearwds

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Is the presser @ 4PM EDT? I wrote it down, I swear I did, but I think the puppy ate my Post-IT.

TIA

Swabby


Krerect..4Pm eastern standard time..I know of MSNBC but sure others will carry it too..See ya there..LOL

LMS

[aubrey04]

I did NOT see Christie Prody in the courtroom last night. The last I heard - she is in pretty bad health... after her brain injury. I think she had brain surgery, didn't she? First she (allegedly) slipped at a gas station supposedly and injured herself - breaking her legs.. then a few months after (if that).. she had that car accident where she tried to cross the road and got hit by a car sustaining massive head injuries.

Weird how everyone around OJ seems to have such a bad twist of fate... Nicole, of course. Followed by Robert Kardashian's death.. then Johnny Cochran's death... Then F Lee Bailey's disbarrment.. then Robert Shapiro getting sued by Phil Spector (and having to resort to peddling online lawyer websites that handle wills/estate planning)..

not to mention his co-defendants... and again, Christie Prody.

Everything that surrounds OJ seems to ruin quickly.

Watch out, Yale!

...jmo

[RGG]

Since this is a state case, wouldn't OJ and CJ be maybe at Nellis State Prison, or one of the others? This would be a kidnapping in the 2nd degree and category B felony.

[barskin&co.]

The President can NOT pardon a state criminal:

Article 2:

Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

Whoops, you're right! So OJ has to hope the present or future governor of Nevada wants to commit political suicide. :D

[barskin&co.]

Since this is a state case, wouldn't OJ and CJ be maybe at Nellis State Prison, or one of the others? This would be a kidnapping in the 2nd degree and category B felony.

If he is behind bars, it works for me.

[callmetree]

Call..I did post some links about Sydney and Justin last weekend..they are 19 (approx) and 21/22 for Sydney..and both have been in school and College...They apparantly stay in the Fla home when off school, but thankfully, their personal lives have not been lived in a "Fishbowl"..so details are known through OJ interviews..

I do think they will do just fine, as they have a large support system being the Browns and the Simpsons..They did live with the Browns first few years after that infamous first trial..and some child custody issues had to be dealt with..and so on..But I have to believe they will be well supported in their adult years!!

LMS:seeya:
thanks! there were days when i was so busy at work i didn't get to read all the post. don't know what some of us would do without thoughtful posters as yourself. thanks again.:seeya:

[cloe23]

I'm thinking that he would be more the hero in prison? Tell me to go back to my other board if you want. Just reading and commenting as I read.


IMO OJ will have only but fans in prison, he did commit a double homicide and got away with it. IMO most prisoners would totally worship someone who commits such an evil crime and then walks.
IMO OJ will go though the lunch line first once he arrives to his new residences. I also bet he will be signing many a jumpsuits, 'Don't squeeze the juice'barf

[cherylt]

Krerect..4Pm eastern standard time..I know of MSNBC but sure others will carry it too..See ya there..LOL

LMS

Do you know if it will be online or on TV?

[RGG]

Weird how everyone around OJ seems to have such a bad twist of fate... Nicole, of course. Followed by Robert Kardashian's death.. then Johnny Cochran's death... Then F Lee Bailey's disbarrment.. then Robert Shapiro getting sued by Phil Spector (and having to resort to peddling online lawyer websites that handle wills/estate planning)..

not to mention his co-defendants... and again, Christie Prody.

Everything that surrounds OJ seems to ruin quickly.

Watch out, Yale!...jmo

Excellent Aubrey04! I wasn't aware of what Shapiro was doing.

[Details]

Yeah me. I think that was pretty evident when the police laughed about it and said they would get him since California couldn't.There's a few problems with that concept.

1. Actual words spoken were spoken by a civilian working for the police.
2. Contrary to any impression given there, the police in this case actually waited longer to arrest OJ than they would have for anyone else.
3. Those police in that room came up with not a single item of evidence against OJ. They processed the room, did their job, and didn't manufacture evidence. So obviously there was no attempt by those police to "get" OJ in any way other than to find all real and valid evidence and process the room right.

[sunstar]

Whoops, you're right! So OJ has to hope the present or future governor of Nevada wants to commit political suicide. :D

I just can't see that happening either! :D