Friday, 10/3/08 - Day 109

[Rayosunshine]

sorry to be graphic

but does anyone know how long the body would let off these gases that the dogs hit on

i mean, if the body has decomposed...

and let's say nothing but skeletonal remains are left...

could they still hit on that

News media reported Cadaver dogs hit on the area where Fossett's remains/belongings were found. Though all authorities found was a small piece of bone.

[Syd'sMiMi]

Hello everyone. I ususally don't post, just lurk and read. I am probably one of the few that didn't watch the Veep debate last night, can't stand to hear SP talk.

NG did say last night that there was a woman who came forward on or about Sept. 4th saying that she saw a car like CA's on the south side of the Orlando Airport parked in the median. She remember this because she thought it was her friends car and until she got close enough to see some bumper stickers she new her friends white Pontaic did not have. When she got past the car she looked in her rear view mirror and saw a small framed woman with a white baseball camp emerging from a heavily wooded area. She didn't put this together with this case until a few weeks after Caylee was reported missing.

I am trying to paraphrase what I heard. Sorry if I've not done a very good job, but you can check the NG transcripts to read about it.

[nana6]

In this country, majority rules. Posters here have put all the details together, used their common sense and logic, and have formed conclusions.

Granted, the posters are more knowledgeable than the ultimate jury, which will consist of ordinary citizens, using the common sense, logic, and life experience they hold in their everyday life. I don't think the future jury will cut any slack to that odious creature. The facts will assure that.

The biggest fact that will convict Casey will be that she did nothing when her daughter went missing, but instead partied and made plans for the future. The evidence that Caylee is deceased is in that car. imo

you said it in a nut shell.. Good post ITA

[happy2bme]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17610344/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/17610344/detail.html)

From the link:

Thursday, Casey's attorney said it's not in her best interest to tell what she knows about where Caylee is.

"It does her no good to show her cards to give the prosecution any advantage they have to put her away for life," Jose Baez said.

Judging by what he said, it would seem that Casey would get herself into trouble by telling what she knows about Caylee's whereabouts.

I would like to hear everyone's opinion on this...By the statement above from JB, can we assume he knows what Casey did to Caylee? His statement leads me to believe she harmed her. Why would she be in trouble if the nanny took her (which we all know is a crock)?
Wonder what tips they got to go back and search the two places again?

I know you guys have probally already hit on this. I have been so out of the loop the last couple of days ..forgive me.:seeya:

[frances1]

Strange you two rarely discuss the case. From what I have observed is primarily dialogue about other posters.

Astute observation, calalily.

[Loves2Read]

When people talk about Caylee’s death being an accident, and "Casey panicked," I usually insist the record shows that Casey does not panic.
She sat in the room at Universal with police detectives, lying away, calmly as can be. And, I don't think she is panicking now, either. She's playing a game of chicken with LE, and she ain't gonna flinch. She gave herself that 31 head-start, and poor Caylee's little body is probably gone. She's planning on getting away scot-free, and I believe she is going to be sadly mistaken.

As a matter of fact, I am getting a psychic vision. I can hear a news commentator saying, "Casey Anthony showed no emotion as the jury found her guilty of murder...."

You have made some EXCELLENT points here. Many are reading into the facts with "accident" and "panic" where there is absolutely(to use that favorite of words) nothing to suggest that those things occurred. Casey has not even once eluded to either of those things taking place. I pray your right about her not getting away with it! Of course all of this is JMO!

[Rayosunshine]

I just can't wrap my mind around how they can be in the same house with her. I mean, if they know Caylee is gone and they're protecting Casey...which is appears that's what is going on. HOW? HOW? HOW? All I'd be doing is imagining what poor little Caylee may have went thru and how I'd never see her again. I think I'd break and just say "Take Her To JAIL!!!!" I don't think I'd be able to look at her each day. Watch her go on as if everything's fine. Knowing she was able to live her life as if she never had a daughter for an entire month. How does one do that?hammer

Could it be guilt of knowing something was wrong with Casey for a long time and never doing anything about it. (this "stuttered-like" typing is going to drive me nuts)

[BJames]

I agree Barskin...I can hear it in my mind as well. Actually it's interesting to me that I can take Scott Peterson out of my mind and put Casey Anthony in his place, something about the internal denial of true consequences let alone personal accountability...or never let 'em see you sweat?
I'm with you...this gal doesn't panic, she has had lots of practice in the lying sector...it has worked on the multitude of 'friends' she has run through...and of course her parents. This may be one of the worst cases of enabling that I have ever seen....

Just my opinion of course...

[frances1]

I cant ever read all the posts but did yer kitty come home? I hope so! :seeya:

I dont think we will see an arrest yet; Grand Jury has to indict first; so I dont think there will be any movement today. Unless they find this poor childs body. I'm really glad to hear they are still looking; but they need to tear apart the Anthony home. Im still a little ashamed, they didnt.
They tore up the yard, but we never saw them search the inside of that house. Usually homeowners are asked to leave for a few days while LE does it's thing. This did not occur in this case. It bothers me so much.
Caylee is "close" dad. She's close. How close? Are her little bones in the house? Was she cremated using gasoline? Who knows but all are viable options to me.

Dots

Jenny, I know at the very least they brought in the lights (can't remember what you call them) that detect blood.

[WillowInFlight]

But if she says where the body is, wouldn't that prove guilt? Thus, no need for a trial?

Obviously I am confused.
Obviously:seeya:

[SavannahStar]

Based on the circumstantial evidence, and what little forensics we have, she could be looking at the chair, if she is found guilty, it was obviously premeditated. Computer searches, no remorse, etc. IMVHO, she is looking at death row. Some body needs to get off their arse and keep her off death row. (Even though I think that's where she needs to be.)

I don't agree it was "obviously" premeditated. Not one bit. Yet, anyway. I need far more detailed information, which we probably won't get until trial.

[trich]

you said it in a nut shell.. Good post ITA

Exactly!

:beer:

[bchand]

And goodie for you that you thought it "interesting to hear WHEN and why they thought Casey would be arrested for the murder".

EVERYONE can and does state their opinion and when someone doesn't agree with the majority all hades breaks out and they are called trolls, ignore them, bla, bla, bla. Oh well enjoy the games. :rolleyes:


It's all in the way you offer your opinion Grandma. Your method is very confrontational, as you probably know.

All of us can and do disagree with each other's opinions but we do it respectfully. It's very simple.

Have a good day.

[martha]

Good morning all. No caylee yet? I have been reading all morning but I see we have no news yet about caylee. I sure hope today is the day we will get some news. Maybe they will put casey back in jail.jmho:rose:

[Mandysmom]

Good morning everyone. Congratulations on your good news, Warrkat.

bluwaters, your post says it all. I don't believe it is necessarily the job of a defense attorney to see that a guilty client gets away with the crime, but to give them the best defense they can possibly have.

Casey Anthony is one twisted individual. When people say "she loved Caylee" I just cringe. If she loved her, she wouldn't have dragged her from pillar to post while she slept with different guys and partied hearty. She would have left her home with her mother, given her custody and just gone on.

Love is unselfish, and love for your children means you sacrifice, you give up your dreams in exchange for making sure they attain theirs.

With that said, I hope justice is served in the best interest of Caylee, not her trashy former incubator.

[Ellie]

I would guess that by now the cadaver dogs won't find much left of little Caylee. Scavengers, etc. have strewn her remains everywhere. But, if they find one single bone, could it be determined it's Caylee? I think not.

Casey needs to come clean or else she's looking at the "chair". JMVHO.

From what I have learned about cadaver dogs, they can pick up on the smell of 'death' even from bones. Unfortunately you may be right in that 'scavengers' have strewn the bones about (my GOD even saying that just breaks my heart!), but if there's a bone to be found and the dogs find it, they could probably tell whether it's human or animal. Then LE would determine dna. I think.

[Loves2Read]

Strange you two rarely discuss the case. From what I have observed is primarily dialogue about other posters.

ITA I wish we could just keep it on the topic of Caylee and not about how we all fall short of their ideals. I really just want someone in this case to tell the truth no matter how it looks.... If she could just be found no matter what her condition. :shrug:

[Syd'sMiMi]

Pretty interesting. Any explaination as to why she waited so long to come forward? Did NG interview this woman?

No she did not interview this woman. I was trying to find the transcript from last night's show but have been unsuccessful in doing so.

It was also said on the show that this is a pretty isolated road.

[Fallen Angel]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17610344/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/17610344/detail.html)

From the link:

Thursday, Casey's attorney said it's not in her best interest to tell what she knows about where Caylee is.

"It does her no good to show her cards to give the prosecution any advantage they have to put her away for life," Jose Baez said.

Judging by what he said, it would seem that Casey would get herself into trouble by telling what she knows about Caylee's whereabouts.

I would like to hear everyone's opinion on this...By the statement above from JB, can we assume he knows what Casey did to Caylee? His statement leads me to believe she harmed her. Why would she be in trouble if the nanny took her (which we all know is a crock)?
Wonder what tips they got to go back and search the two places again?

I know you guys have probally already hit on this. I have been so out of the loop the last couple of days ..forgive me.:seeya:
I was a little shocked by that statement. In all my years i've never heard the lawyer for a parent of a missing child say anything like that.

ITA he must feel like Casey did something wrong because why else would he NOT want her to YELL at the top of her lungs what she knows about what happen.

I would put my childs life first and tell EVERYTHING i know to anyone that would listen, but then again i would have called 911 the day it happen and i would be up the LE's rear end until they found my baby dead or alive.

[nana6]

Jenny, I know at the very least they brought in the lights (can't remember what you call them) that detect blood.

luminol I believe

[WillowInFlight]

It's all in the way you offer your opinion Grandma. Your method is very confrontational, as you probably know.

All of us can and do disagree with each other's opinions but we do it respectfully. It's very simple.

Have a good day.

Absolutely:).............

[witchywoman]

Did the car casey was driving, have bumper stickers on it? i cant recall...im just thinking out loud...

OT//if im not back to lurk, its because my tarot lines are humming and ill have to come back to play catch up after i take my calls..

thanks for the links, the info..etc..

this witch is chanting that Caylee is found...

[Syd'sMiMi]

Ok here's the transcript from NG's show last night:

GRACE: So much happening in the search for little Caylee. Right now, to Kathi Belich with CNN affiliate WFTV. Kathi, what can you tell me about an alleged sighting of a woman with a baseball cap pulled down over her head leaving a heavily wooded area near the Orlando International Airport?

KATHI BELICH, WFTV: Well, what we know is the woman was leaving work sometime between June 20th and June 28th near the Orlando airport, and she said she noticed a car that was like Casey`s, she later realized, that belonged -- she thought it belonged to a friend of hers, which is why it caught her attention. When she got closer to it, she saw some markings and some bumper stickers that she knew were not on her friend`s car, so she was relieved her friend wasn`t in trouble.

But as she drove away, she noticed someone slight of build with a baseball cap and some athletic-type wear walking out of the woods, and she thought it was odd because it`s not an area, she said, where anyone would be jogging or anything like that. Of course, that was before Caylee had been reported missing. After Caylee had been reported missing, she saw the car on the news and she saw Casey on the news, and she put two and two together and thought maybe that was Casey. So she told investigators about it, and they have searched that area.

GRACE: Kathi Belich, precisely, to the best you can tell us, where is the area?

BELICH: It is to the south of Orlando International Airport. It`s sort of a secluded road. Once again, not the same secluded road where they have searched in the past that we`ve already reported on. But it is sort of a secluded road. Even during the day when we were there, which is when this woman believed she saw possibly Casey, there was not a lot of traffic on that road.

GRACE: So let me get this straight, Kathi Belich, because the timing of her sighting is very, very important. We all know that as soon as little Caylee was reported missing, the next day, essentially, mom, Casey, went to jail. She was in jail for a period of time. So was the sighting reported after Caylee went missing, but she saw the incident before?

BELICH: Well, this was in the time before any of us even knew that Caylee was missing.

GRACE: Gotcha.

BELICH: So it was during the week after Caylee had disappeared, and obviously, you know, that was during the month before we knew and Casey...

GRACE: Got it. Got it. An incredible story, if it`s true, if there`s no mistake. What do you make of it, Mike Brooks?

MIKE BROOKS, FORMER D.C. POLICE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: One of the things they can do, since they do have a timeframe between the 20th and 28th of June, they can go back, check her cell phone records and see if there`s any pings in that particular area if she had her phone on.

[desmom]

I dont even get why they need a body when they have proof Caylee is dead? moo

To determine the cause of death? Closure for all that love Caylee? To bring Caylee home for a proper burial and not leave her tiny little body in some swamp, dump, landfill or where ever?

jmo

[GrandmaGA]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17610344/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/17610344/detail.html)

From the link:

Thursday, Casey's attorney said it's not in her best interest to tell what she knows about where Caylee is.

"It does her no good to show her cards to give the prosecution any advantage they have to put her away for life," Jose Baez said.

Judging by what he said, it would seem that Casey would get herself into trouble by telling what she knows about Caylee's whereabouts.

I would like to hear everyone's opinion on this...By the statement above from JB, can we assume he knows what Casey did to Caylee? His statement leads me to believe she harmed her. Why would she be in trouble if the nanny took her (which we all know is a crock)?
Wonder what tips they got to go back and search the two places again?

I know you guys have probally already hit on this. I have been so out of the loop the last couple of days ..forgive me.:seeya:

IMO he meant it does Casey no good to talk as anything she says can and will be twisted and used against her.

Casey has said over and over she does not know where Caylee is.

[marinewife5]

No she did not interview this woman. I was trying to find the transcript from last night's show but have been unsuccessful in doing so.

It was also said on the show that this is a pretty isolated road.

as NG explained it, she came forward weeks ago, we are just know becoming privvy to it. jmo

[WinnieLeigh7]

Sounds accurate to me MiMi. Does anyone recall from the pics of the Sunbird if it had any bumper stickers? I don't remember there being any but I don't rely on my memory for a lot.

Sunbird LOL


:biggrin: I'm sorry, I'm not laughing at you...truly. I'm laughing WITH you, you just haven't realized it yet LOL

SunFIRE--kinda a mini' version of...
FireBIRD

Casey had a sunfire :)

[desmom]

Sounds accurate to me MiMi. Does anyone recall from the pics of the Sunbird if it had any bumper stickers? I don't remember there being any but I don't rely on my memory for a lot.

I have looked for pics of Casey's car and all I found were these:
http://www.local6.com/slideshow/news/17315856/detail.html

No views of the back of her car.



Congrats Warkat!

[Rayosunshine]

Thats the million dollar question..but so far all evidence points to murder..how..we might never know.

Sorry to say, I am not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt, and that is where it will count if current information that we know of remains unchanged.

[bballgrl]

luminol I believe

Luminol is the chemical they spray that picks up the blood traces, the lights they use are called black lights.. IIRC..

[Joan Weiss]

That seems strange. That would mean any violent killer cannot be arrested before a GJ is convened? :shrug: They just wait around all cooperative and free as a bird?Here's the procedure:

THE GRAND JURY AS AN ACCUSING AND INVESTIGATING BODY

"Our constitution provides that no person shall be brought to trial for a capital crime except upon indictment of a grand jury."

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:uwKLSJvKbV4J:www.floridasupremecour t.org/jury_instructions/chapters/chapter30/flgrandjuryhandbook.rtf+Florida+court+process-grand+jury&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us&client=firefox-a


Here's the procedure for arrest and trial:


http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Index&Title_Request=XLVII#TitleXLVII

[crymeariver2006]

No I don't think you do get it, if she plea bargains there still could and probably will be a trial.

She would appear before the judge (no jury) and he/she will ask her if she understands she has a right to a trial by a jury of her peers and if she understands she is giving up that right by pleading whatever it is she wants to plead.

This is, of course, assuming the state wishes to accept the plea.

She may then face a sentencing hearing (possibly with a jury) where mitigating/aggravating factors may be presented to determine whether she should get minimum or maximum punishment.

Unless, of course, the sentence is agreed upon at the plea acceptance.

[Syd'sMiMi]

Sunbird LOL


:biggrin: I'm sorry, I'm not laughing at you...truly. I'm laughing WITH you, you just haven't realized it yet LOL

SunFIRE--kinda a mini' version of...
FireBIRD

Casey had a sunfire :)

:shrug:Sorry, I'm not very good with cars and I'm so frustrated with this Anthony mess, I just get all knotted up inside and want to scream and pull them through the tv and shake them until their teeth fall out.

[nana6]

I dont even get why they need a body when they have proof Caylee is dead? moo

there ya go, ITA we have all heard of people getting convicted with out a body. This may just be one of those trials. Their a coming for ya Casey!!!

[ruth66]

[QUOTE=SavannahStar;12225121]Me too.

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So then if she is alive and they know who she is with why not go get her? Give the information to LE and let them go get her. If the statment "they would rather have Caylee than the money" is true than that is why I believe she is dead, they would have her right now if she were still on this earth. Since she is not with us, they are going to go for the money because quite frankly they are probably going to need it to pay the lawyer(s).

[joint-heir]

Pretty interesting. Any explaination as to why she waited so long to come forward? Did NG interview this woman?

On this tip, why would Casey park in the median, and cross a highway carrying Caylee? Granted the lady saw the figure coming out of the wooded area, but what about when she went to the area? Wouldn't she be afraid of someone stopping seeing her carrying a child?

[Fallen Angel]

Let me give you an instance of cadaver dogs searching for a deceased person. That of Chandra Levy right here in Rock Creek Park in D.C. She went missing and they searched that park initially with cadaver dogs, but finally gave up. Eventually, another jogger or someone walking through the park, can't remember which, found a bone one and a half years later. Those remains were then determined to be Chandra. So the cadaver dogs can't hit on the scent when there is no more scent.

Rock Creek Park isn't that big I guess is my point.

and Chandra had fallen into a drainage ditch. when i say "fallen" i mean probably killed and put there.

OT.........i used to live right across the street from Rock Creek Park for about 5 years. My kids have spend a many of hour in that park playing and having a great time.

[Mandysmom]

What did she do to Caylee?

Well at the very least, she exposed her to dangerous situations, she obviously didn't provide normal care that I would provide for my dog or cat.

She (if she is to be believed) left her with a woman who frequented bars with her, frequently changed cell phone providers and had no working number, lived in a vacant apartment, yada yada yada.

It's my belief that she got rid of her daughter, whether by negligence or intention.

As for Cindy, I believe she loved Caylee, I really do. However, I can't for the life of me understand how she can say that it wasn't important to know the woman who was supposedly being a "nanny" to your precious granddaughter.

Maybe it's just me, but I would have had numbers, addresses, next of kin, and would have known exactly who this "nanny" was.

I wouldn't even let my pets be "babysat" by someone I couldn't even reach by phone. I can't believe that anybody who is honest with themselves would say that they can believe Cindy would either.

It absolutely boggles my mind.

[Rayosunshine]

and if caylee is indeed in "danger"...um, that cat's out of the bag. I fail to believe that kidnappers would have no idea that LE is looking for caylee. unless they are that stupid, in which case, they could not have pulled of a kidnapping for this long. casey is worried about casey. no more, no less. i have not seen a single thing to indicate she is concerned for this child. i have seen little sincerity from caylee's family in general. jmo

Have you ever seen or heard of kidnappers running to tell the authorities, I did it, I did it?

[bchand]

I have looked for pics of Casey's car and all I found were these:
http://www.local6.com/slideshow/news/17315856/detail.html

No views of the back of her car.



Congrats Warkat!

I did a screenshot of that car from a few angles and it does look like a shamrock in the center of the back window. I don't think we've ever seen a view from the back though to know if she had any bumper stickers.

It'd be real interesting to see what kind of things this witness saw on the car she noticed.

[SavannahStar]

Let me give you an instance of cadaver dogs searching for a deceased person. That of Chandra Levy right here in Rock Creek Park in D.C. She went missing and they searched that park initially with cadaver dogs, but finally gave up. Eventually, another jogger or someone walking through the park, can't remember which, found a bone one and a half years later. Those remains were then determined to be Chandra. So the cadaver dogs can't hit on the scent when there is no more scent.

Rock Creek Park isn't that big I guess is my point.

Rock Creek Park is HUGE! Did you mean Blanchard Park?

[nana6]

Luminol is the chemical they spray that picks up the blood traces, the lights they use are called black lights.. IIRC..

thank you for correcting me, With all of the crime shows I watch I should have known that!!!

[crymeariver2006]

I have looked for pics of Casey's car and all I found were these:
http://www.local6.com/slideshow/news/17315856/detail.html

No views of the back of her car.



Congrats Warkat!

If there haven't been any pictures of the back of her car released and it does indeed have bumper stickers on it, that makes the sighting even more credible.

I haven't even seen bumper stickers mentioned anywhere, with the exception of the sighting.

:shrug:

[need2no]

as NG explained it, she came forward weeks ago, we are just know becoming privvy to it. jmo


I can't imagine Casey parking in the median and carrying or dragging Caylee's body across the road (2 lanes ?) to the woods. If this is an infrequently traveled road anyway why not just park by the woods instead....would be quicker and certainly easier, and less chance of being seen carrying the victim.

[Fallen Angel]

Have you ever seen or heard of kidnappers running to tell the authorities, I did it, I did it?

do you belive Caylee was kidnapped, sold or anything like that? and do you believe Caylee's still alive?

[Rayosunshine]

I was going to reply to the insinuations here but I changed my mind
because I decided to take the high road.

That's commendable Trich.

[crymeariver2006]

On this tip, why would Casey park in the median, and cross a highway carrying Caylee? Granted the lady saw the figure coming out of the wooded area, but what about when she went to the area? Wouldn't she be afraid of someone stopping seeing her carrying a child?

Unless she was just disposing of clothing, a backpack.....not necessarily a body.

[WillowInFlight]

IMO he meant it does Casey no good to talk as anything she says can and will be twisted and used against her.

Casey has said over and over she does not know where Caylee is.

But, but Casey is a proven liar.

[Mandysmom]

I was a little shocked by that statement. In all my years i've never heard the lawyer for a parent of a missing child say anything like that.

ITA he must feel like Casey did something wrong because why else would he NOT want her to YELL at the top of her lungs what she knows about what happen.

I would put my childs life first and tell EVERYTHING i know to anyone that would listen, but then again i would have called 911 the day it happen and i would be up the LE's rear end until they found my baby dead or alive.

You are absolutely (I'm beginning to hate that word) right. Any MOTHER who loved their child would not be worrying about what's in their best interest to keep from going to jail vs. getting their child home.

No way.

[WinnieLeigh7]

:shrug:Sorry, I'm not very good with cars and I'm so frustrated with this Anthony mess, I just get all knotted up inside and want to scream and pull them through the tv and shake them until their teeth fall out.


I was just teasing with ya :)
It was cute, made me giggle!

I only know because I have one (a sunfire)...

Believe me, I totally understand the 'knots', frustrations, anger...

[need2no]

If there haven't been any pictures of the back of her car released and it does indeed have bumper stickers on it, that makes the sighting even more credible.

I haven't even seen bumper stickers mentioned anywhere, with the exception of the sighting.

:shrug:


I recall a four leaf clover, or something like that on her back window. Wish I could remember where I saw that pic.

[Fallen Angel]

If there haven't been any pictures of the back of her car released and it does indeed have bumper stickers on it, that makes the sighting even more credible.

I haven't even seen bumper stickers mentioned anywhere, with the exception of the sighting.

:shrug:

Yep ITA.

i'm also interested in way the LE have hundreds of pix of that dumpster. i wonder if the cadaver dogs hit on it.

[babblefishie]

Thank you for the tip. Can't imagine their reaction when Casey is proven guilty for murdering her beautiful daughter.

in my opinion of course

Yeah it generally goes like this with some posters... Let's call one... oh I'll just pick a name out of the air

Papasgal ...

You say A

Papasgal says maaaaybe B (all hinty like)

You ask what makes Papasgal think that and request a link

Papasgal goes silent.

Someone requests link again or a less vague answer and Papasgal and cohort tell you you are stupid, probably don't have a job, and comment on how much they resent the opinions expressed by other members of the board.

Then one of them comments on how hate filled everyone is and how persecuted they are here and then they disappear for a while only to come back like a bad egg smell later...

That's how it works around here and it's the same EVERYTIME...

It's best NEVER to respond to them. Just enjoy all the many opinions with those who treat each other with respect. There are many Cindy supporters who carry themselves well and are respected and enjoyed by other members of the board. :hat::hat:

[Mandysmom]

But, but Casey is a proven liar.

You're right. Casey has twisted the story so much herself that nobody else had to even give her any assistance.

Talk about delusional thinking. lol

[BJames]

IMO he meant it does Casey no good to talk as anything she says can and will be twisted and used against her.

Casey has said over and over she does not know where Caylee is.

With all do respect Grandma when Casey was first confronted with her lies she actually said that Caylee was 'fine' and she did indeed know where she is/was. And then she changed her story...and then she changed her story again...
I'm not much of a believer in the Gospel According To Casey...and that is because of Casey herself. Now...if she had have been honest and was forth coming about the truth in the beginning...and then went silent because she might incriminate herself that would be different for me...But putting her own hide above the welfare and well being of her own child? She has gone beyond the pale for me, I no longer consider her a (grieving) mother nor a 'victim' of anyone besides herself.
I now consider her a common criminal without conscience...let the chips fall where they may.

Just my opinion of course...

[FrankieBones1]

I did a screenshot of that car from a few angles and it does look like a shamrock in the center of the back window. I don't think we've ever seen a view from the back though to know if she had any bumper stickers.

It'd be real interesting to see what kind of things this witness saw on the car she noticed.I'm not familiar with team icons in Florida but could the shamrock be for a sports team?

The ball cap that was torn up and put into the Anthony trash had a shamrock on it, as well. The ball cap was seen in pics, too.

[GrandmaGA]

So Cindy lied when she said Casey didn't want people barging in the place where Caylee was because she feared for Caylee's safety?

I guess we will just have to wait for the trial to see.

[barskin&co.]

Well at the very least, she exposed her to dangerous situations, she obviously didn't provide normal care that I would provide for my dog or cat.

She (if she is to be believed) left her with a woman who frequented bars with her, frequently changed cell phone providers and had no working number, lived in a vacant apartment, yada yada yada.

It's my belief that she got rid of her daughter, whether by negligence or intention.

As for Cindy, I believe she loved Caylee, I really do. However, I can't for the life of me understand how she can say that it wasn't important to know the woman who was supposedly being a "nanny" to your precious granddaughter.

Maybe it's just me, but I would have had numbers, addresses, next of kin, and would have known exactly who this "nanny" was.

I wouldn't even let my pets be "babysat" by someone I couldn't even reach by phone. I can't believe that anybody who is honest with themselves would say that they can believe Cindy would either.

It absolutely boggles my mind.

You know, we offer our theories about crime scenarios and tie them into the facts that we already know about. It is your questioner who has never offered an opinion and explained a logical theory of the case, which could be backed up with any known data.

[Rayosunshine]

Good question, but of course that doesn't apply here.

It only applies with hatred toward the Anthonys, because don'tchaknow, nothing like this could ever happen to anyone here. ;)

It's quite amusing to watch the things that people attach here as being synonymous. If you believe that Caylee is alive, you must somehow then of course believe that Casey is a truthful saint, and that the Anthonys walk on water.

That of course, goes against the unfounded hatred spewed here day in and day out for the Anthonys, so the next course of action is that you must be a family member. LOL

Or, be working for the defense, LOL.

[Loves2Read]

IMO he meant it does Casey no good to talk as anything she says can and will be twisted and used against her.

Casey has said over and over she does not know where Caylee is.

You are right she has said that over and over.... And her word has been proven over and over to be FALSE. She would be the little boy who cried wolf. It will do her no good to keep talking when she has already lied too much. I just think maybe her lawyer could have worded it better. IMO.

[nana6]

LB has lost her job. Yesterday I was downsized along with a few others. This year has turned out just like 2005 to not be my year.

I wonder what has prompted these new searches. When did this driver who saw what could have been Casey come out of the woods wearing athletic gear and a baseball cap near the airport (also identified a car similar to the Pontiac Sunfire)? (this is per ABC Orlando)

Bitty, I am sorry to hear about your job. ok we will give you a new one here. Help us find Caylee and arrest Casey will you? Also, if you have any idea about how people can get along on this board and talk only about Caylee, I am sure it would be greatly appreciated. I have always enjoyed your posts so it is really to our advantage that you will be here more!!! :)

[marinewife5]

Have you ever seen or heard of kidnappers running to tell the authorities, I did it, I did it?


that wasn't my point. my point is that they are not possibly criminal masterminds able to elude authorities at every turn. if casey and cindy are even to believed in the slightest, this was either a babysitter turned kidnapper or an exboyfriend turned kidnapper. not ninjas, not operatives, but plain old people. if the reason for casey not to spill what she knows is that caylee is in danger, she also must acknowledge that the kidnappers know that it's widely known that caylee is missing.

there are no kidnappers, imo.

[Rayosunshine]

good morning all, and great news warrkat
Article from today
"They won't say what she is suspecting of doing?" said Todd Black, a spokesman for Anthony's attorney, Jos� Baez. "A suspect in [her child's] disappearance means that she left her child with a baby sitter?"

http:///www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-casey0308oct03,0,7843744.story

Excellent find, Shelbar. Glad to see that the writer of the article didn't find the need to "add" to the story. Glad to see that Nieves reports there is no new information. Of course, maybe he is being untruthful.

[crymeariver2006]

I recall a four leaf clover, or something like that on her back window. Wish I could remember where I saw that pic.


I saw a four leaf clover on Annie's hat in the picture on Craigslist. The picture of Annie and Casey in the front seat of the car. I don't recall one in the rear window. But I wasn't looking that close.

:shrug:

If you remember where you saw it, let me know!

[babblefishie]

Hey lilbit... sorry to hear about your job.

:rose:

More time for sleuthing -- for a day or two at least!
:D

[barskin&co.]

I guess we will just have to wait for the trial to see.

Wait for the trial? That is what you always say. What about Caylee's rights? Why don't they come first? Caylee's rights cannot "wait for the trial." If you care about Caylee's rights, you would demand that Casey speak up and for the very first time tell what happened to Caylee.
It has been 109 days and thus far she has told nothing but a lot of stories which have been proven to be lies.

[aubrey04]

Thanks for this post Aubrey! I think I might just print it out and tape it next to the tv the next time I watch NG and listen to the tapes of Casey and everybody else LE has interviewed. I get so frustrated and honestly AFRAID that she might get away with what she has done to Caylee. Again, thanks for the excellent post!:beer:

I have to admit after all the craziness in the Drew Peterson saga - I have gotten scared sometimes too. But I think Peterson's case was an anomaly - truly unique since he was part of the police force.. I don't want to o/t so I will stop with that comparison now.

I think the cops in Florida have a lot of circumstantial evidence against Casey - even if they don't find Caylee body (which makes my heart break thinking about it).. they will have enough to get her indicted. We just have to be patient and let the investigators do their job.

Arrests on murder charges rarely happen overnight.. but don't be scared.. she is going down.

[desmom]

But when does enough time elapse where we say, its almost unfathomable the body is found, sadly, shes been out there for a very long time. If the cops know for sure she is really really dead, at this point it shouldn't even matter now, its more than obvious Casey doesn't care. moo

I have friends that work with LE and are retired LE. They all work hard to uncover the truth. IMO, these type of cases are never over for them until a body is recovered.

As for an arrest, I think the day is getting closer because of LE's statements and JB's statements.

jmo

[FrankieBones1]

It's all in the way you offer your opinion Grandma. Your method is very confrontational, as you probably know.

All of us can and do disagree with each other's opinions but we do it respectfully. It's very simple.

Have a good day.Truer words were never posted. Thanks, bchand.

Still no murder charges on the table? What is taking the State so long?
I wonder what the prosecution thought of Baez's horrible statement? I'm still reeling from it myself. There is no way anyone can spin that one.

[Rayosunshine]

Thanks for the link shel. From that link:

Meanwhile, the Florida Department of Children and Families confirmed Thursday it has concluded its investigation related to Caylee's disappearance.

DCF spokeswoman Carrie Hoeppner said the agency's findings have been given to the Sheriff's Office, but she did not say what those findings were.

"The information obtained in the investigation does not meet the criteria for release at this time," she said in an e-mail.

DCF's role in the case remains "very limited," she said.

I wonder what that's about? I didn't realize there was a separate investigation going on.

I would think DCF would be involved in any situation involving a lost child.

[nana6]

Wait for the trial? That is what you always say. What about Caylee's rights? Why don't they come first? Caylee's rights cannot "wait for the trial." If you care about Caylee's rights, you would demand that Casey speak up and for the very first time tell what happened to Caylee.
It has been 109 days and thus far she has told nothing but a lot of stories which have been proven to be lies.

Bingo!!!! you said it

[Mandysmom]

May I suggest we ignore the posters who only want to shout at us about what terrible people we are?

Instead, here's Jesse interview, yesterday:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/26988449#26988449

Thank you barskin, I agree with you.

Off to look at this interview.

:seeya:

[need2no]

I saw a four leaf clover on Annie's hat in the picture on Craigslist. The picture of Annie and Casey in the front seat of the car. I don't recall one in the rear window. But I wasn't looking that close.

:shrug:

If you remember where you saw it, let me know!


The picture of Annie shows her wearing a cap with the shamrock:

http://monica111466.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/the-anthony-saga-players/

I'm still trying to locate the car pic.

[desmom]

I can't imagine Casey parking in the median and carrying or dragging Caylee's body across the road (2 lanes ?) to the woods. If this is an infrequently traveled road anyway why not just park by the woods instead....would be quicker and certainly easier, and less chance of being seen carrying the victim.


:seeya: N2N

Was there a date given for this sighting? What if it was not Casey's lst visit to the spot?

[FrankieBones1]

I saw a four leaf clover on Annie's hat in the picture on Craigslist. The picture of Annie and Casey in the front seat of the car. I don't recall one in the rear window. But I wasn't looking that close.

:shrug:

If you remember where you saw it, let me know!I would bet the farm that the ball cap that Annie wore in that pic is the same ball cap that was found in the garbage bag.

As far as bumper stickers go, they can be peeled off in a hurry.

[Britam]

I was wondering just how long it will be for Casey to get arrested and incarcerated. Does anybody think it will be too long before it goes to trial?

[Rayosunshine]

I dont even get why they need a body when they have proof Caylee is dead? moo

But, do they really have the proof that would do away with reasonable doubt?

[tashi]

:seeya: N2N

Was there a date given for this sighting? What if it was not Casey's lst visit to the spot?


IIRC the sighting was between June 20-27

[Ellie]

Let me give you an instance of cadaver dogs searching for a deceased person. That of Chandra Levy right here in Rock Creek Park in D.C. She went missing and they searched that park initially with cadaver dogs, but finally gave up. Eventually, another jogger or someone walking through the park, can't remember which, found a bone one and a half years later. Those remains were then determined to be Chandra. So the cadaver dogs can't hit on the scent when there is no more scent.

Rock Creek Park isn't that big I guess is my point.

Huh, well color me corrected! :) I guess from what I've read and heard over the years, I thought cadaver dogs could pick up scent from bones and/or areas surrounding the bones (say if fluids seeped into the ground). Very unfortunate if not. I hope the new info from the woman who thought she saw Casey and her car by the airport proves to be a fruitful search.

[?noanswer]

I did a screenshot of that car from a few angles and it does look like a shamrock in the center of the back window. I don't think we've ever seen a view from the back though to know if she had any bumper stickers.

It'd be real interesting to see what kind of things this witness saw on the car she noticed.

Was there a shamrock on the cap that was retrieved from the Anthony's garbage? If so, wonder what the relevance, if any, is to shamrocks in regards Casey?

[SavannahStar]

Wait for the trial? That is what you always say. What about Caylee's rights? Why don't they come first? Caylee's rights cannot "wait for the trial." If you care about Caylee's rights, you would demand that Casey speak up and for the very first time tell what happened to Caylee.
It has been 109 days and thus far she has told nothing but a lot of stories which have been proven to be lies.

I'm not sure how much good our "demands" will do. I'm sure not demanding anything of anyone.

[trich]

Or, be working for the defense, LOL.



Or maybe living in a fantasy land too!

[bballgrl]

I was wondering just how long it will be for Casey to get arrested and incarcerated. Does anybody think it will be too long before it goes to trial?


Welcome Britt.... Unfortunately it is too soon to tell. I am hoping that an arrest will come soon, but as everyone here (the most intelligent posters!) have been stating. LE wants all their ducks in a row and I can respect that. I just hope it's soon. I also hope that we find little Caylees body too.... I wish I could say I think she is alive, but I just can't. :(

Welcome aboard!

[aubrey04]

I was wondering just how long it will be for Casey to get arrested and incarcerated. Does anybody think it will be too long before it goes to trial?

Arrested for murder? We aren't sure about that. There was a news report out about a week ago which stated that she could be arrested in the next few weeks..

Once she is arrested for murder, it could take years for her to get a trial date. Things move very slowly in the justice system, it seems.

She is supposed to go on trial soon for her "economic crimes" and "child neglect".. but since she is out on bail - I expect her attorney to try and postpone the trial date for as long as possible.

[Fallen Angel]

IMO he meant it does Casey no good to talk as anything she says can and will be twisted and used against her.

Casey has said over and over she does not know where Caylee is.

so i guess her mom lied then.


Grandmother: Casey Said She Knows Where Caylee Is

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=EEE7F51A930C6AD8C06CFF51CD54A46A ?contentId=7136358&version=27&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

[Mandysmom]

But, do they really have the proof that would do away with reasonable doubt?

I believe the key word here is "reasonable". Yes, I believe they do.

:seeya:

[crymeariver2006]

Was there a shamrock on the cap that was retrieved from the Anthony's garbage? If so, wonder what the relevance, if any, is to shamrocks in regards Casey?

Yes, the one that looked like it had been cut with scissors.

[frances1]

But, do they really have the proof that would do away with reasonable doubt?

In a word, yes, IMO.

[kakax]

I didn't see this post by Bchand...


Ok, I did the best I could with my eyes crossing. Hope I got everyone:


When Will Casey Be Arrested?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...bearrested.jpg


Love you for doing that!! It's great rofl!

[bballgrl]

But, do they really have the proof that would do away with reasonable doubt?

I think they do... But I won't be on the jury (mores the pity!)

[desmom]

IMO he meant it does Casey no good to talk as anything she says can and will be twisted and used against her.

Casey has said over and over she does not know where Caylee is.

No one has to twist anything. Everything Casey told LE in her handwritten statement and interviews in the lst 24 hours were lies.

jmo

[marinewife5]

Yup. That pesky LE. She already told them she don't know nuffin! Why don't they leave her alone already, those meanies. :rolleyes:

casey said it best: all anyone cares about is finding caylee.
poor casey...i'll even bet there isn't anyone keeping her stripper pole warm for her.:(

[barskin&co.]

I was wondering just how long it will be for Casey to get arrested and incarcerated. Does anybody think it will be too long before it goes to trial?

Hi, newbie!! :seeya: I think she'll be arrested sometime today, charged with murder, her trial will start sometime before the end of the year, and she will be sentenced to life by March. I also think I am going to win the Powerball lottery tonight, become independently wealthy, fly off to Bora Bora next week and never been seen here again. :seeya:

No, actually, LE has been making strong hints that an arrest for murder is coming sometime in the next few weeks. The defense can ask for a speedy trial, but I think they will revert to usual defense type and delay, delay, delay. I believe we are looking at years to go on this story.

[kakax]

Oh and Good Morning everyone!!! :seeya:

[need2no]

:seeya: N2N

Was there a date given for this sighting? What if it was not Casey's lst visit to the spot?


:seeya: backatya desmom

I don't recall a date of this being reported has been provided by LE.

This is what was said on NG last night, but personally I don't think she really knows either.

GRACE: Back to Penny Douglas Furr, defense attorney. Penny, what do you make of this eyewitness who spots a woman similar to mom, Casey Anthony, baseball cap, coming out of a heavily wooded area?

FURR: Well, where`s the woman been? Where was she...

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: ... they searched the area.

FURR: Why is she just now calling in? This happened months ago.

GRACE: No, she`s not just calling in, Penny. She called in several weeks ago, but we`re just learning about it. I`m talking to you about eyewitness testimony.

FURR: Oh, you`re saying this woman called in and said someone who looks like her came out and she remembers it.

GRACE: Yes.

(CROSSTALK)

FURR: Has she reported it? Did she take the tag number? How does she know it`s Casey?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/02/ng.01.html

[Rayosunshine]

do you belive Caylee was kidnapped, sold or anything like that? and do you believe Caylee's still alive?

I'm not sure what I believe; I am positive that anything is possible.

[crymeariver2006]

I would bet the farm that the ball cap that Annie wore in that pic is the same ball cap that was found in the garbage bag.

As far as bumper stickers go, they can be peeled off in a hurry.

Could have been. Or the person that called in the tip, called the police back once she saw that cap on the news.

:shrug:

[WinnieLeigh7]

But, do they really have the proof that would do away with reasonable doubt?


For any "reasonable" person with the just an inkling of sanity IMO

[barskin&co.]

so i guess her mom lied then.


Grandmother: Casey Said She Knows Where Caylee Is

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=EEE7F51A930C6AD8C06CFF51CD54A46A ?contentId=7136358&version=27&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

Isn't it great that you can always find a link to prove Casey has said almost anything, since she has said almost everything at one time or another. Everything but the truth.

[kakax]

:seeya: Hey girl! Got any good revelations for us this good morning?

Wish I did!! I took a little siesta after the kids left for school so I'm just trying to catch up LOL!

[happy2bme]

Well at the very least, she exposed her to dangerous situations, she obviously didn't provide normal care that I would provide for my dog or cat.

She (if she is to be believed) left her with a woman who frequented bars with her, frequently changed cell phone providers and had no working number, lived in a vacant apartment, yada yada yada.

It's my belief that she got rid of her daughter, whether by negligence or intention.

As for Cindy, I believe she loved Caylee, I really do. However, I can't for the life of me understand how she can say that it wasn't important to know the woman who was supposedly being a "nanny" to your precious granddaughter.

Maybe it's just me, but I would have had numbers, addresses, next of kin, and would have known exactly who this "nanny" was.

I wouldn't even let my pets be "babysat" by someone I couldn't even reach by phone. I can't believe that anybody who is honest with themselves would say that they can believe Cindy would either.

It absolutely boggles my mind.

Hi MM! How are ya?

You forgot Casey didn't report her missing for 31 days. She let her sleep in the bed with her and RM.

[SavannahStar]

I'm not sure what I believe; I am positive that anything is possible.

I like that open-mindedness!

[EGirl]

Morning, to your beautiful self. What do you think, active day for Casey today?
I sure hope so Willow, I am so sick of all of this chaos. Can't someone please just bring this baby home??!!

[Syd'sMiMi]

Isn't it great that you can always find a link to prove Casey has said almost anything, since she has said almost everything at one time or another. Everything but the truth.


Um, like Casey what the he77 did you do with Caylee? Tell where you put her other than with the babysitter cause even the lizards know that's ain't true.

I've never seen anyone that can spew so much and say so little.:confused:

[bballgrl]

Hi, newbie!! I think she'll be arrested sometime today, charged with murder, her trial will start sometime before the end of the year, and she will be sentenced to life by March. I also think I am going to win the Powerball lottery tonight, become independently wealthy, fly off to Bora Bora, next week and never been seen here again.

No, actually, LE has been making strong hints that an arrest for murder is coming sometime in the next few weeks. The defense can ask for a speedy trial, but I think they will revert to usual defense type and delay, delay, delay. I believe we are looking at years to go on this story.

:lol: God Barskin... I love you! ;)

[Rayosunshine]

Yep ITA.

i'm also interested in way the LE have hundreds of pix of that dumpster. i wonder if the cadaver dogs hit on it.

If the cadaver dogs did hit on the dumpster, I would think LE would have taken it as evidence and not allowed it to remain in place.

[desmom]

IIRC the sighting was between June 20-27


Thank you! :seeya:

[trich]

To determine the cause of death? Closure for all that love Caylee? To bring Caylee home for a proper burial and not leave her tiny little body in some swamp, dump, landfill or where ever?

jmo

What is sad is that even after the body is id'd (if indeed it is)some will still insist it is not Caylee and that LE is not doing their job properly.:shrug:

[BJames]

Isn't it great that you can always find a link to prove Casey has said almost anything, since she has said almost everything at one time or another. Everything but the truth.

True, true, true Barskin!
I hope you do win that lottery...you would still be posting ;)...but maybe from a limo...:)

[EGirl]

But, do they really have the proof that would do away with reasonable doubt?


There is a difference between 'possible' and 'reasonable' and I think a lot of people miss it.


JMO

[aubrey04]

Isn't it great that you can always find a link to prove Casey has said almost anything, since she has said almost everything at one time or another. Everything but the truth.

And then there are contradictions in George and Cindy's statements to the press too. I believe it was Cindy who said Caylee was in danger at one point.. then said she was safe a different day.

Then George says they have people watching the kidnappers.. then Cindy says they don't know who the kidnappers are.

I am probably mixing all of these statements up. George and Cindy's statements have me just as confused as Casey's..

Basically they have been contradicting each other .. and themselves.

These people are whackos!

[Rayosunshine]

Yeah it generally goes like this with some posters... Let's call one... oh I'll just pick a name out of the air

Papasgal ...

You say A

Papasgal says maaaaybe B (all hinty like)

You ask what makes Papasgal think that and request a link

Papasgal goes silent.

Someone requests link again or a less vague answer and Papasgal and cohort tell you you are stupid, probably don't have a job, and comment on how much they resent the opinions expressed by other members of the board.

Then one of them comments on how hate filled everyone is and how persecuted they are here and then they disappear for a while only to come back like a bad egg smell later...

That's how it works around here and it's the same EVERYTIME...

It's best NEVER to respond to them. Just enjoy all the many opinions with those who treat each other with respect. There are many Cindy supporters who carry themselves well and are respected and enjoyed by other members of the board. :hat::hat:

Babblefishie, you posted some things that were actually posted to me one night on the board. The poster at that time seemed to be in a rage. They were banned, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were back, under another name.

[bballgrl]

Having a body solidifies the fact and leaves no doubts whatsoever for any juror. The body can also hold clues as to how she was killed.
OBVIOUS reasons. IMO


Well, it will be hard to tell the COD if she is all bones or even only a FEW bones. Unless it is something like blunt force trauma or something (which I don't believe personally). I think that an OD on chloroform, or suffocation would be hard to prove at this point. However, I do not have a medical degree and am not a coroner... so I could be wrong :tongue:

[Mandysmom]

Hi MM! How are ya?

You forgot Casey didn't report her missing for 31 days. She let her sleep in the bed with her and RM.

Hey there Happy! Been doing well, and hope all is well with you.

Thank you for reminding me of that. I don't know how those little details slipped my mind.

:seeya:

[Fallen Angel]

I'm not sure what I believe; I am positive that anything is possible.

ITA i have honestly NO idea what really happen because at this point i dont think the LE's showing us ALL of what they have.

[crymeariver2006]

Have a question.... they say the culprit always goes back to the scene of the crime, or where they disposed of a body. Do we know if Casey went back anywhere based on her cell phone pings?


Maybe that was the sighting? She had returned to the scene of where she disposed of the body?

All searches based on cell phone pings have, to the best of my knowledge, been in the airport area.

[kakax]

Read this little tidbit embedded in the Orlando Sentinel article about Neives calling Casey a suspect...


Meanwhile, the Florida Department of Children and Families confirmed Thursday it has concluded its investigation related to Caylee's disappearance.

DCF spokeswoman Carrie Hoeppner said the agency's findings have been given to the Sheriff's Office, but she did not say what those findings were.

"The information obtained in the investigation does not meet the criteria for release at this time," she said in an e-mail.

DCF's role in the case in the case remains "very limited," she said

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-casey0308oct03,0,7843744.story

[MichelleP]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17610344/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news

"Thursday, Casey's attorney said it's not in her best interest to tell what she knows about where Caylee is.

"It does her no good to show her cards to give the prosecution any advantage they have to put her away for life," Jose Baez said."

I don't understand that statement at all. If Caylee is alive, why wouldn't it be in her best interest?

Also from the link

""I know for a fact that magazines have been approached by members of her team to receive monies," said Attorney John Morgan"

[Rayosunshine]

I'm not so sure they have "proof" Caylee is deceased. Good Lord! Okay, let me sort this out in my own mind....

Searches for Chloroform
Searches for Missing People
No Nanny
Prolific liar
Didn't report her child missing for 31 days
Didn't want Caylee in the first place
Chameleon type personality
Stole Zenaida Gonzales' name from the Saw Grass registry
Missing cell phone with the sim card also lost
Wakes up in a cold sweat
No remorse
Great motive...
Hasn't held a job in 2 years
Steals money
Steals gas
Cadaver dog hits in the back yard
Cadaver dog hits in the car
None of Caylee's close missing
Caylee's favorite doll not with Caylee
No purchases of anything for Caylee while she was "missing"
Didn't want George to open the trunk
Cindy tried to strangle her
Casey said "this should have been done a long time ago"
Casey said "maybe I'm just a spiteful bit**"
Fusion (what can I say about that)
Lying about Caylee's father
Telling Jesse he was the father
Leaving Pontiac at Amscot
Sneaking in to parents house without Caylee
Borrowing a shovel


What did I forget?

And, with this information (your list), could you really sit on the jury and find a person guilty of murder? Have you ever sat on a jury in a murder trial?

[aubrey04]

Good Morning.... gosh, what is that smell?
:seeya:

:confused: what?

[BJames]

[QUOTE=?WudScoobyDo;12225441




Good Morning.... gosh, what is that smell?
:seeya:[/QUOTE]

Gosh yeah...good morning!

That smell?
Well it depends on who you ask...could be old pizza..?
;)

[happy2bme]

I really hope so, I am optimistic an arrest is about to be made, or a grand jury assembled. IF they have proof Caylee is dead, I think they should have told George and Cindy that there is no way she is alive, but act like you believe Casey while we gather stuff on Casey, maybe the cops have told them not to complain about her computer use and whatnot, seems to me that is more plausible with why the Anthonys are acting the way they are instead of going to the worst possible scenario they are knee deep in a coverup. moo


I kinda thought that at first but after watching & hearing the lastest interview with CA that pretty much threw that theory out the window.

[need2no]

Or maybe that wasn't her first visit there. Perhaps she was returning to the area to do more cover-up of the (and I hate to say this) body?


That's certainly a good possibility. Still I wonder why she would decide to park in the median as opposed to parking right by the woods. If a cop came along she could claim she had to use the bathroom. :)

[marshmallow]

I like that open-mindedness!

I think there are many of us who still keep open minds. I know that my mind is still open but without anything to work with that shows Caylee is alive, my mind is slowly closing.

[num1barb]

[QUOTE=?WudScoobyDo;12225441]

Gosh yeah...good morning!

That smell?
Well it depends on who you ask...could be old pizza..?
;)

:sniff sniff:
Smells like 2 dead squirrels to me.

Where is caylee?? Why won't her mother tell what she knows so she can be found?

[Mandysmom]

There is a difference between 'possible' and 'reasonable' and I think a lot of people miss it.


JMO

Exactly EG. It is not supposed to remove all possible doubt. There is always the possibility that a person might be innocent.

It is when using the evidence, with reasoned thinking, and coming to a conclusion that it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

:seeya:

[Joan Weiss]

LB has lost her job. Yesterday I was downsized along with a few others. This year has turned out just like 2005 to not be my year.

I wonder what has prompted these new searches. When did this driver who saw what could have been Casey come out of the woods wearing athletic gear and a baseball cap near the airport (also identified a car similar to the Pontiac Sunfire)? (this is per ABC Orlando)I am so sorry. I hope you get a new job soon. After the election, things usually perk up.

I predict that your post count will go up. That's a good thing,imo.

[kakax]

You know, I tried to put myself in the shoes of all the friends and family of Casey when all this first started and thought about how betrayed, puzzled, hurt, angry, sad and all those other feelings I'd have and how that would feel. But today I thought about what it would *really* feel like. In addition to the above feelings, how would you feel to have had the hands of (*IF* she did it disclaimer) a baby murderer, that secreted and possibly moved her body preparing your meals or touching you intimately with those evil hands. I don't think I could scrub long enough to feel I got all the Casey Anthony (if she did it) off of me. UGH.

I do feel bad for all of them...especially Tone..he was doing more than eating her dinners. He has to be sickened by all of this. I hope it doesn't affect his relationships for years to come but I bet it will. Sad.

[Fallen Angel]

Now we know why Caylee is dead. JMO. And the cover-up is just crazy, by all the Anthony's. I don't think for one minute the clothing was washed because it smelled bad. Cindy knew!

no doubt Cindy and George BOTH knew what that horrible wave of odor was :(

[happy2bme]

Was there a shamrock on the cap that was retrieved from the Anthony's garbage? If so, wonder what the relevance, if any, is to shamrocks in regards Casey?


IIRC, Casey has a tattoo on her lower back of one also.

[BANJO GRANNY]

On this tip, why would Casey park in the median, and cross a highway carrying Caylee? Granted the lady saw the figure coming out of the wooded area, but what about when she went to the area? Wouldn't she be afraid of someone stopping seeing her carrying a child?
I wonder if Casey had Caylee in one of those suitcases on wheels.
One of those IMO would be easy to pull with a small child in it.


:rose:For Baby Caylee

[Loves2Read]

[QUOTE=babblefishie;12225267]Yeah it generally goes like this with some posters... Let's call one... oh I'll just pick a name out of the air

snipped

Then one of them comments on how hate filled everyone is and how persecuted they are here and then they disappear for a while only to come back like a bad egg smell later...

QUOTE]


Good Morning.... gosh, what is that smell?
:seeya:

That would be the smell of yet another off topic post..... How about posting something about Caylee? I'll start..... What do you think about that woman stepping forward to say that she might have seen Casey leaving a wooded area by the airport?

[WillowInFlight]

Now we know why Caylee is dead. JMO. And the cover-up is just crazy, by all the Anthony's. I don't think for one minute the clothing was washed because it smelled bad. Cindy knew!

But Caylee is not dead, she was sold remember??????

[Joan Weiss]

That's certainly a good possibility. Still I wonder why she would decide to park in the median as opposed to parking right by the woods. If a cop came along she could claim she had to use the bathroom. :)ITA. Parking in the median is just not something a killer would do, imo. Too visible.

[kakax]

LB has lost her job. Yesterday I was downsized along with a few others. This year has turned out just like 2005 to not be my year.

I wonder what has prompted these new searches. When did this driver who saw what could have been Casey come out of the woods wearing athletic gear and a baseball cap near the airport (also identified a car similar to the Pontiac Sunfire)? (this is per ABC Orlando)


Awwww, LB, I'm so sorry! Call me if you need to talk!!

We don't know time frame except that it was after June 15th supposedly. I"m wondering about these stickers she saw on the car.

[Syd'sMiMi]

ITA. Parking in the median is just not something a killer would do, imo. Too visible.

But we have to remember that Casey is not normal by anyone's standards. I don't believe she thinks of herself as a killer. She's thinks she's the life of the party.

[Mandysmom]

I get eactly what you are saying MM.
I AGREE!

My dog went missing when I was pretty young and my parents helped me figure out pretty much that he was stolen by the dog catcher who would not admit it. So I went over his head and his supervisors came 80 miles to our house to talk to me. It turned out to be the day President Reagan was shot and we all found out at the same time when it came on TV. They only wanted to watch it so I turned it off. I did not want any distractions. No way would I have sit there and lied and played games BECAUSE I just wanted him back. I got him back but it was like HE11 for a week......no sleeping.....no eating.....I had ONE thing on my mind and I was determined. I was just a kid but instinct and adrenaline took over.

I did all kinds of things like talk to the Trash Truck and School Bus drivers.....just whatever possible. NO ONE could of stopped me. I just do not see that DRIVE with the Anthonys. Adrenaline is a weird thing you feel like you cannot stop. I had EVERYONE out looking. Yet it seems the Anthonys gave up awhile back. Why? There are so many things they could be doing.....I know because I did it for my dog.
I did the same for my cat. lol

She got lost and when I got off work everyday, I would go through the projects, her last known location since she was staying with my husband at work after a vet appt.

I searched high and low, couldn't eat, couldn't sleep, and didn't let my husband have an easy time of it either. All I could think about was my baby was out there somewhere scared and wanting to come home.

I finally found her and brought her home, she was hungry and mad for being lost for three weeks. I can't get my mind to understand how anyone can just know that their baby is out there somewhere and they just carry on, getting their nails done, getting tattoos, not calling police, etc.

It's just not natural instinct, and a mother has that. I have seen other mothers of missing children being skewered because of their passionate searches for their child.

I've never quite understood that one, finding fault with the mother doing everything to find her child, and defending the one who has done nothing to find hers.

:flamemad:

[kakax]

For all we know it could have been someone who had to use tee-tee really bad lol!!!

[WinnieLeigh7]

And, with this information (your list), could you really sit on the jury and find a person guilty of murder? Have you ever sat on a jury in a murder trial?

I could, I want on the jury...heck, just give me the gavel

hammer guilty I say, take her to the dungeon!!

[WinnieLeigh7]

Waittttttttt for meeeeeeeeeeee

I got stick on pg. 11

[need2no]

Now we know why Caylee is dead. JMO. And the cover-up is just crazy, by all the Anthony's. I don't think for one minute the clothing was washed because it smelled bad. Cindy knew!

For a silly moment if we try to assume Cindy did not know what the horrible smell was, (she forgot she was a nurse of decomposition), and for some unknown reason she felt the need to remove the pants from the stinky car, it would make more sense to me for her to have thrown out the smelly pants, rather than wash them.

IIRC Cindy claimed she was already doing a load of laundry...would you put some horribly stinky pants in with your other laundry...I know I wouldn't.

No doubt in my mind...she was tampering with evidence and she knew darn well what she was doing.

[WillowInFlight]

For all we know it could have been someone who had to use tee-tee really bad lol!!!

What the heck is "tee -tee"? I'm old I have know clue what the lingo is.

[Joan Weiss]

I wonder if Casey had Caylee in one of those suitcases on wheels.
One of those IMO would be easy to pull with a small child in it.


:rose:For Baby CayleeThere is no suitcase evidence. There are backpacks. I don't think Casey is the suitcase type.

Soemone parking in the median, and pulling a suitcase into the woods? :eek:

Try again... imo

[Mandysmom]

But Caylee is not dead, she was sold remember??????

That's right! What ever happened to that search in Puerto Rico? I know Cindy went on Telemundo but have they received any tips?

Isn't it against the law to sell your child? :confused:

[bballgrl]

[QUOTE=babblefishie;12225267]Yeah it generally goes like this with some posters... Let's call one... oh I'll just pick a name out of the air

snipped

Then one of them comments on how hate filled everyone is and how persecuted they are here and then they disappear for a while only to come back like a bad egg smell later...

QUOTE]


Good Morning.... gosh, what is that smell?
:seeya:


I think it's dead squirrell... Or Rotten pizza?

[Regina.Lampert]

I get eactly what you are saying MM.
I AGREE!

My dog went missing when I was pretty young and my parents helped me figure out pretty much that he was stolen by the dog catcher who would not admit it. So I went over his head and his supervisors came 80 miles to our house to talk to me. It turned out to be the day President Reagan was shot and we all found out at the same time when it came on TV. They only wanted to watch it so I turned it off. I did not want any distractions. No way would I have sit there and lied and played games BECAUSE I just wanted him back. I got him back but it was like HE11 for a week......no sleeping.....no eating.....I had ONE thing on my mind and I was determined. I was just a kid but instinct and adrenaline took over.

I did all kinds of things like talk to the Trash Truck and School Bus drivers.....just whatever possible. NO ONE could of stopped me. I just do not see that DRIVE with the Anthonys. Adrenaline is a weird thing you feel like you cannot stop. I had EVERYONE out looking. Yet it seems the Anthonys gave up awhile back. Why? There are so many things they could be doing.....I know because I did it for my dog.


I had a similar experience with an escaped parakeet, in the city. I was singleminded in my search and I did get him back.

cynthia was singleminded in her search for casey too. She did whatever she needed to track her down. Too bad she failed to put the same amount of energy into searching for Caylee. She could have, she just didn't want to, imo.

[Mandysmom]

For a silly moment if we try to assume Cindy did not know what the horrible smell was, (she forgot she was a nurse of decomposition), and for some unknown reason she felt the need to remove the pants from the stinky car, it would make more sense to me for her to have thrown out the smelly pants, rather than wash them.

IIRC Cindy claimed she was already doing a load of laundry...would you put some horribly stinky pants in with your other laundry...I know I wouldn't.

No doubt in my mind...she was tampering with evidence and she knew darn well what she was doing.
Listening to George's interview, it was all too clear that HE knew what the smell was.

I can't imagine the horrifying realization of that. I think in order for him to stay halfway sane, he has to keep denying in his mind that it was Caylee who was in that car.

But he KNEW what that smell was.

:(

[marinewife5]

Thank goodness for jury consultants, eh.

and i'm sure casey will have the best that money she steals from other people can buy. jmo

[kakax]

What the heck is "tee -tee"? I'm old I have know clue what the lingo is.

Urinating LOL!! Ugh...sorry to bring the board down so low rofl.

[steffaroob4]

Shamrocks are an insignia for certain gang activity.

So is the wearing of beads, particularly black beads.

Wait a minute, that description fits Irish Nuns, too. Should we start looking in Catholic schools, too.

Watch out Sister Patricia O'Malley

[Mandysmom]

I had a similar experience with an escaped parakeet, in the city. I was singleminded in my search and I did get him back.

cynthia was singleminded in her search for casey too. She did whatever she needed to track her down. Too bad she failed to put the same amount of energy into searching for Caylee. She could have, she just didn't want to, imo.

I think the searching for Caylee stopped the minute the truth sank in. There was a 180 turn on the attitudes and the search for Caylee that was so sudden it almost gave me whiplash.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Thank goodness for jury consultants, eh.

Oh, I can play Casey and totally pass the Voir Dire questioning...

then hammer Off the dungeon!

[happy2bme]

quote=BJames;12225459]</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>:sniff sniff:</p> <p>Smells like 2 dead squirrels to me.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Where is caylee?? Why won't her mother tell what she knows so she can be found?

I will never ever be able to look at a squirrel again without thinking of this caseI ran over one yesterday (tried real hard to miss it). I swear true story..This morning we were in my car and something smelled funny (actually the papermill). I said, "pppuuu something stinks".My son said, "Maybe it's the squirrel you ran over yesterday".I looked at him like he was crazy. BTW he is only 8 and does not know the 'squirrell story'.
Do you guys really think Casey will be arrested soon, like within a couple days? I sure hope so. I am ready for Caylee to be found and this to be over with.

[bballgrl]

Shamrocks are an insignia for certain gang activity.

So is the wearing of beads, particularly black beads.So you think that Casey was a member of a gang? :confused:

I am not following...... Is it the "Good luck gang"?

[kitty1182]

109 days and that witch won't say where she put her child....



God doesn't like ugly Casey..You are being ugly.

IMO

[Mandysmom]

and i'm sure casey will have the best that money she steals from other people can buy. jmo

:lol::lol:

[WillowInFlight]

Urinating LOL!! Ugh...sorry to bring the board down so low rofl.

Oh I did that on main street but that was many many years ago LOL

[Mandysmom]

So you think that Casey was a member of a gang? :confused:

I am not following...... Is it the "Good luck gang"?

The Blarney Gang. Oh mercy. :lol:

[barskin&co.]

So you think that Casey was a member of a gang? :confused:

I am not following...... Is it the "Good luck gang"?

It's the Irish Spring Gang! Run for cover!

[Dogmatic]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17610344/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news

"Thursday, Casey's attorney said it's not in her best interest to tell what she knows about where Caylee is.

"It does her no good to show her cards to give the prosecution any advantage they have to put her away for life," Jose Baez said."

I don't understand that statement at all. If Caylee is alive, why wouldn't it be in her best interest?

Also from the link

""I know for a fact that magazines have been approached by members of her team to receive monies," said Attorney John Morgan"



This is what disgusts me so thoroughly about defense lawyers.

Let's not do what is morally right and give a two year old a proper buriel.
He just admitted that Casey knows where Caylee's dead body is.

Let's all pursue justice for the victim and sort out which perps deserve a little extra credit for assisting an investigation.

We've gone wayyyyyyy too far in favor of criminals.

[marinewife5]

So you think that Casey was a member of a gang? :confused:

I am not following...... Is it the "Good luck gang"?


this was what i found for shamrocks being gang insignia...do we think that casey was a member of the prison arian brotherhood?


http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=569

[bballgrl]

Yes yes that photo of her butt online. She has no shame; that's a fact.
Not very good tats, I have to say (from exp) fuggly tat on her frontside.
YUCK! And I love Tats!!! At least she doesnt have a true tramp stamp?

Some people on this board would say that Caseys tats made her unemployable. Maybe THAT is why she was unemployed? Hmmmmmmm

[WinnieLeigh7]

You'd be classified as a stealth juror and be thrown out so fast you wouldn't know what hit ya.

A stealth juror is an ordinary citizen serving on a jury who understands and is not afraid to exercise his right to judge not only the evidence in a case but the very law upon which the prosecution is based.


I find that a compliment!

[Fallen Angel]

Shamrocks are an insignia for certain gang activity.

So is the wearing of beads, particularly black beads.

what gang has shamrocks?:shrug:

[bballgrl]

this was what i found for shamrocks being gang insignia...do we think that casey was a member of the prison arian brotherhood?


http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=569
Good question. I was waiting for DG to answer that question since she was the one to bring it up. As usual though.... just throw something out there and don't answer when asked wtf you mean by it! :no:

[Mandysmom]

Keep that in mind when she has also stated that she did nothing to harm Caylee.
Well yeah, that was a lie too.

:cool:

[kitty1182]

Well yeah, that was a lie too.

:cool:

Big time....
:seeya:

[Mandysmom]

Umm, Caylee is THREE, not two, and no, he didn't just admit that Casey knows where Caylee's dead body is.

Defense Attorneys are there to protect the rights of their client, just as you would need protection too, particularly true in this case when Baez believes that LE is only interested in prosecuting Casey for Caylee's disappearance and nothing more.

It's really amazing that so many here aren't familiar with the duty of Defense Attorneys.

Caylee never got to reach her third birthday, so she is forever a two year old.

[steffaroob4]

So you think that Casey was portraying an Irish Nun?

I see.

Makes as much sense as your gang theory, there has not been one shread of evidence as to any gang involvement in this case. Every friend of hers has had a job, apartment and some are full time students that also work, we even have some with young children that work. Where are you seeing gangs at all?
And please keep the gangs of protesters out of this, they don't count.

[Fallen Angel]

Why the Lucky Charms Cereal Killer Gang; you know!!
hammer

OMG........I forgot about them. :lol:

[WinnieLeigh7]

Umm, Caylee is THREE, not two, and no, he didn't just admit that Casey knows where Caylee's dead body is.

Defense Attorneys are there to protect the rights of their client, just as you would need protection too, particularly true in this case when Baez believes that LE is only interested in prosecuting Casey for Caylee's disappearance and nothing more.

It's really amazing that so many here aren't familiar with the duty of Defense Attorneys.

Caylee never made to to three, she died at two

[Mandysmom]

what gang has shamrocks?:shrug:

The only one I could find any mention of is Aryan Nation. No definite proof though.

If that's true, I must be a member, I love shamrocks. lol

[Fallen Angel]

Umm, Caylee is THREE, not two, and no, he didn't just admit that Casey knows where Caylee's dead body is.

Defense Attorneys are there to protect the rights of their client, just as you would need protection too, particularly true in this case when Baez believes that LE is only interested in prosecuting Casey for Caylee's disappearance and nothing more.

It's really amazing that so many here aren't familiar with the duty of Defense Attorneys.

there is NO proof Caylee turned three. thats a fact. :no:

[bballgrl]

Umm, Caylee is THREE, not two, and no, he didn't just admit that Casey knows where Caylee's dead body is.

Defense Attorneys are there to protect the rights of their client, just as you would need protection too, particularly true in this case when Baez believes that LE is only interested in prosecuting Casey for Caylee's disappearance and nothing more.

It's really amazing that so many here aren't familiar with the duty of Defense Attorneys.

Caylee was 2 when she went missing. Personally I do not think she made it to her third birthday. So, the poster indicating that she was 2 is no bigee... she will most likely be forever 2, having not actually made it to her 3rd birthday....

Potatos, potatoes//// :rolleyes:

[WinnieLeigh7]

Lucky Charms

:lol:LOLOLOL

[Mandysmom]

That's why we have voir dire, and jury consultants. They CAN find an unbiased jury pool once this goes to trial. Heck, they found one for OJ and he was found "not guilty".

Not that many people are as consumed with this case as we are. They don't know any facts, haven't speculated or debated like we have. Haven't looked at cell phone pings or know Casey's past like we do.

They will be able to find an impartial group of 16 (I'm thinking 12 jurors and 4 alternates).

Dunnie, I don't think the O.J. jury can really be used as an example of "unbiased" LOL

[Fallen Angel]

The only one I could find any mention of is Aryan Nation. No definite proof though.

If that's true, I must be a member, I love shamrocks. lol

my step kids are part Irish so i would love to know what kind of gang uses shamrocks because every holiday i buy them all something with a shamrock on it.

[WillowInFlight]

there is NO proof Caylee turned three. thats a fact. :no:

Stop quoting for God sakes.

[steffaroob4]

So you think that Casey was a member of a gang? :confused:

I am not following...... Is it the "Good luck gang"?

Lol, happy go-lucky leprechan gang, now that is rich. I see no evidence of gangs or even substantial drug use on her part, as a matter of a fact I don't recall her wearing that hat in any photos except the jail pic, was she arrested with that on or did Baez bring that hat for her to put on?

[kakax]

this was what i found for shamrocks being gang insignia...do we think that casey was a member of the prison arian brotherhood?


http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=569

OH geez rofl!

[Mandysmom]

What's a poser? Do you mean no soul? No feelings? No emotions except when she stubs her toe? She "feels" for herself (physical pain), but no one else. I think we can all agree she's a sociopath, but that has nothing to do with her upbringing. It's a chemical imbalance in her brain. Or maybe you're just born that way.... no soul. I don't know. :shrug:
Well from my kids I have gleaned that a "poser" is one who pretends to be something they are not.

Someone wearing gang colors or maybe trying to be a little goth or whatever when they really are not.

Fake is what it really means.

;)

[need2no]

I also think she was tampering with evidence, and she knew she was. A nurse knows the smell of decomp. And you are right, I would have thrown it out, not put it in with a normal load of clothes. Heck, she even said the car smelled like there was a dead body in it. Little did she know it was her own grand daughter.

I've said from day one she will be charged also.... with obstruction of justice. JMO. George knows it, and so does Lee. Charge all of them with obstruction. I mean, come on, your grand daughter is missing, and you clean up "evidence" and lie to LE.


I will be very surprised if they aren't charged, they have broken the law and this shouldn't be overlooked or go unpunished. The 3 of them have just added another layer of difficulty for LE in trying to resolve this sad case.

[marinewife5]

What's a poser? Do you mean no soul? No feelings? No emotions except when she stubs her toe? She "feels" for herself (physical pain), but no one else. I think we can all agree she's a sociopath, but that has nothing to do with her upbringing. It's a chemical imbalance in her brain. Or maybe you're just born that way.... no soul. I don't know. :shrug:

i respect your opionion, and i know i'm in the minority on this, but i just don't beleive she is mentally ill. if she were a sociopath, i believe she would have made an effort at appearing remorseful. she has shown to have emotion when it is something that fits in her agenda or affects her world. i simply believe she is so self-centered that she is just focusing on the fact that she accomplished her goal and got her way. no more caylee. and since mommy and daddy have bailed her out before, they will this time. she has no idea what it is to suffer the consequences of her actions. jmo

[kakax]

We did a poll last night everyone except myself and Jennydots said in Oct.
I said Nov 7 after the election and Jenny said the week after.

We really should have a thread for this but I have no idea how to start one.

The BIG question is, will it be during NG? Thats always fun......LOL

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Bettychand/whenwillcaseybearrested.jpg

[Fallen Angel]

Stop quoting for God sakes.

yes ma'am

:punch: ( myself )

[marshmallow]

Shamrocks are an insignia for certain gang activity.

So is the wearing of beads, particularly black beads.




Dg do you think a gang is involved? Will you elaborate please.

[FeelinFroggy617]

This was probably brought up already but..... just think how differently this case could be IF ONLY Simon Birch, who was the manager at the wrecking company where Caseys car was towed to, would have called the police immediately when he approached the car the first time and smelled that odor!!! The police could have been called then and who knows what else we would have as evidence about Casey!!
I know its irrelevant now but its just something I was thinking about!


Birch, Simon – Facility manager of the wrecking yard (Johnson’s Wrecker East) where Casey’s car was towed on June 30, 2008. After the car had been there a couple of weeks, he approached it and began to smell a foul odor. At the time, he did not pay further attention to the white Pontiac. On July 15, 2008, Birch was approached by Nicole Lett, who worked in the office, was dealing with two upset customers, George and Cindy Anthony. Cindy Anthony was trying to negotiate a discount for the towing fees; George agreed to pay the fees and provided the title and his driver license. As they walked, George Anthony mentioned that his daughter had been missing and that she would not allow him to see his granddaughter and has told several lies. When George opened the door of the car, a very foul odor came from inside. Mr. Birch recognized it as the same odor as had been in a car in which a man had committed suicide (his body had been in the car for about 5 days). When Mr. Birch said, “That’s rotten,” George did not reply. They opened the trunk in order to locate the source of the odor (flies flew out) and found a garbage bag, which Mr. Birch opened. Papers, a pizza box and maggots were in the bag. Mr. Birch threw the bag over a fence into the tow lot’s dumpster. George noticed the fuel gauge read empty and said he had a gas can in his car. He retrieved the gas can, apologized for his wife being upset, poured gas into the Pontiac and drove away.

http://monica111466.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/the-anthony-saga-players/

[Mandysmom]

my step kids are part Irish so i would love to know what kind of gang uses shamrocks because every holiday i buy them all something with a shamrock on it.
None. Just thrown out there with no proof to back it up.

I have shamrock key chains, caps, coffee mugs, maybe Casey is part Irish.

Then again, maybe not. LOL

[steffaroob4]

Umm, Caylee is THREE, not two, and no, he didn't just admit that Casey knows where Caylee's dead body is.

Defense Attorneys are there to protect the rights of their client, just as you would need protection too, particularly true in this case when Baez believes that LE is only interested in prosecuting Casey for Caylee's disappearance and nothing more.

It's really amazing that so many here aren't familiar with the duty of Defense Attorneys.

Ummm, maybe you should look at the family website (http://www.helpfindcaylee.com/), it states she is almost 3, wonder why....

[bballgrl]

Lol, happy go-lucky leprechan gang, now that is rich. I see no evidence of gangs or even substantial drug use on her part, as a matter of a fact I don't recall her wearing that hat in any photos except the jail pic, was she arrested with that on or did Baez bring that hat for her to put on?

As far as I recall, there has never been any mention of gang activity in this investigation. Just another example of DG throwing out erroneous information (which she often accuses others of doing) without offering to back up that information with thoughts or proof. If it's an opinion, then just say so, but she never follows up on those thoughts. WE really have to stop engaging some people if they refuse to offer anything of consequence... ya know?

[Mandysmom]

this was what i found for shamrocks being gang insignia...do we think that casey was a member of the prison arian brotherhood?


http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=569
We can only hope marinewife. :tongue: That is that she will be soon.

[marinewife5]

Sociopathy is not a mental illness (it's a state of mind). Scott Peterson is a known sociopath, and he's sitting on death row. That's my point.
:seeya:

i see your point. i understand that it is a personality disorder. and i know i'm in a smaller minority than those who think caylee is alive and in danger. and i hope that casey and scott end up with their geography in common :patriot:

[Joan Weiss]

I have to admit after all the craziness in the Drew Peterson saga - I have gotten scared sometimes too. But I think Peterson's case was an anomaly - truly unique since he was part of the police force.. I don't want to o/t so I will stop with that comparison now.

I think the cops in Florida have a lot of circumstantial evidence against Casey - even if they don't find Caylee body (which makes my heart break thinking about it).. they will have enough to get her indicted. We just have to be patient and let the investigators do their job.

Arrests on murder charges rarely happen overnight.. but don't be scared.. she is going down.ITA, aubrey. It's going to happen. She will go to trial, and she will be convicted.

She should get a new trial attorney, though. Baez's most recent statement does her harm, imo. This is not a poker game, and he is trivializing Caylee by this statement.

[marinewife5]

I'm off to subject myself to a room full of 1st graders...hopefully the wheels of justice will speed up a little for caylee! have a good afternoon all:seeya:

[OneUp]

IIRC, Casey has a tattoo on her lower back of one also.Yes she does..I checked my photo links, and there is one of her dropping her pants ( Crack kills casey...ewww!) while wearing a yellow t-shirt. Sorry, it's not a link I can post here. There are questionable pictures there...aren't ther ALWAYS questionable pics. in relation to Csey Though?
If you search at murderedone.com , you can find it.
JMO
And Hi Everybody!:seeya:
Friday has been a good day for information in the past...maybe this one will be no exception.

[kakax]

Reading on another thread that must not be mentioned....Yuri is back at work..light duty!! Hooray!!

Good luck Det. !!

[steffaroob4]

As far as I recall, there has never been any mention of gang activity in this investigation. Just another example of DG throwing out erroneous information (which she often accuses others of doing) without offering to back up that information with thoughts or proof. If it's an opinion, then just say so, but she never follows up on those thoughts. WE really have to stop engaging some people if they refuse to offer anything of consequence... ya know?

Ooops... sorry
Well, I am still waiting for a big leak or a document dump today, it seems when we have these attempts of throwing crapola against the wall, like we have had the past two days, we get a big fat juicy goodie from LE.
my fingers are crossed

[Rayosunshine]

[QUOTE=?WudScoobyDo;12225441]

That would be the smell of yet another off topic post..... How about posting something about Caylee? I'll start..... What do you think about that woman stepping forward to say that she might have seen Casey leaving a wooded area by the airport?

If she did call in the tip weeks ago and they are just checking, I think that is a problem. I'm not sure what to think.

[Mandysmom]

So you think that Casey was a member of a gang? :confused:

I am not following...... Is it the "Good luck gang"?

It has to be part Italian too though, i.e. the tattoo.

Maybe the "Good Life" gang?:confused:

[marshmallow]

Why? No one is interested. One mention of the shamrock insignia and they all go off in childish rants about Lucky Charms.

You wonder why you continually ask and it's never answered, that's a good example, but yes, there is a LOT more to do with Caylee being alive than the Shamrock insignia which has shown up on Annie's hat, Casey's body, and Casey's car - and that's only for starters.

The only thing that is continually regurgitated here day in and day out is that Caylee is dead, Casey is a so and so and the Anthonys never loved Caylee.

That isn't "discussion", it's mindless repetition.




please elaborate. I didnt ask for a lecture on other posters, I asked a direct question. If I weren't interested I would not have asked.

So yes, someone is interested ... me. And I've politely asked several times for you to add to your comments.

If you believe Caylee is alive then I'd appreciate knowing why you feel that way. My mind has not shut on this and I cannot form a changed opinion or even an opinion at all, without information to help me.

You have a chance to share your information and possibly change my mind. I'd hoped you'd reply about the case and not about the other posters.

[Joan Weiss]

This was probably brought up already but..... just think how differently this case could be IF ONLY Simon Birch, who was the manager at the wrecking company where Caseys car was towed to, would have called the police immediately when he approached the car the first time and smelled that odor!!! The police could have been called then and who knows what else we would have as evidence about Casey!!
I know its irrelevant now but its just something I was thinking about!


Birch, Simon – Facility manager of the wrecking yard (Johnson’s Wrecker East) where Casey’s car was towed on June 30, 2008. After the car had been there a couple of weeks, he approached it and began to smell a foul odor. At the time, he did not pay further attention to the white Pontiac. On July 15, 2008, Birch was approached by Nicole Lett, who worked in the office, was dealing with two upset customers, George and Cindy Anthony. Cindy Anthony was trying to negotiate a discount for the towing fees; George agreed to pay the fees and provided the title and his driver license. As they walked, George Anthony mentioned that his daughter had been missing and that she would not allow him to see his granddaughter and has told several lies. When George opened the door of the car, a very foul odor came from inside. Mr. Birch recognized it as the same odor as had been in a car in which a man had committed suicide (his body had been in the car for about 5 days). When Mr. Birch said, “That’s rotten,” George did not reply. They opened the trunk in order to locate the source of the odor (flies flew out) and found a garbage bag, which Mr. Birch opened. Papers, a pizza box and maggots were in the bag. Mr. Birch threw the bag over a fence into the tow lot’s dumpster. George noticed the fuel gauge read empty and said he had a gas can in his car. He retrieved the gas can, apologized for his wife being upset, poured gas into the Pontiac and drove away.

http://monica111466.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/the-anthony-saga-players/IIRC, Mr. Burch said that George did try to start the car, but failed. George then determined that it was out of gas and retrieved the gas can from his car. imo

[Regina.Lampert]

Why the Lucky Charms Cereal Killer Gang; you know!!
hammer

Now THIS is funny! :tongue:

[bballgrl]

Why? No one is interested. One mention of the shamrock insignia and they all go off in childish rants about Lucky Charms.

You wonder why you continually ask and it's never answered, that's a good example, but yes, there is a LOT more to do with Caylee being alive than the Shamrock insignia which has shown up on Annie's hat, Casey's body, and Casey's car - and that's only for starters.

The only thing that is continually regurgitated here day in and day out is that Caylee is dead, Casey is a so and so and the Anthonys never loved Caylee.

That isn't "discussion", it's mindless repetition.

Well if you have valuable information please share. I have never heard anything about any gang involvement and when I asked you if you thought Casey was in a gang, you ignored the question.... I would truly like to know why you think that. We can't process the information and determine what we feel might be valuable about it if you only throw out that little bit of info... I truly wanted to know what you thought. You may not think that anyone cares, but if you throw it out there, you should back it up. You might be suprised, we might just be interested...You'll never know if you always assume we won't hear you out...

[WillowInFlight]

Sociopathy is not a mental illness (it's a state of mind). Scott Peterson is a known sociopath, and he's sitting on death row. That's my point.
:seeya:

Maybe you need to read this I know you don't have time but read before you play dumb

[steffaroob4]

Wouldn't it be magically delicious if we got Annie's transcript today, I believe there is something very good in there LE is keeping to themselves. Could she know something important?

[bballgrl]

Ooops... sorry
Well, I am still waiting for a big leak or a document dump today, it seems when we have these attempts of throwing crapola against the wall, like we have had the past two days, we get a big fat juicy goodie from LE.
my fingers are crossed

Me too Steff, me too

(Please don't think I was chastizing you, I do it too...much to my shame ;))

[kakax]

Warning, warning, warning......

The post I am about to make has not been verified other than someone saying they heard it live on Channel 9.

Cadaver dogs have supposedly hit in an area by the airport.

We do not know if this is true and many times in the past, they haven't been.

[kakax]

Warning, warning, warning......

The post I am about to make has not been verified other than someone saying they heard it live on Channel 9.

Cadaver dogs have supposedly hit in an area by the airport.

We do not know if this is true and many times in the past, they haven't been.

area has supposedly been cordoned off by police tape.

[Mandysmom]

Why? No one is interested. One mention of the shamrock insignia and they all go off in childish rants about Lucky Charms.

You wonder why you continually ask and it's never answered, that's a good example, but yes, there is a LOT more to do with Caylee being alive than the Shamrock insignia which has shown up on Annie's hat, Casey's body, and Casey's car - and that's only for starters.

The only thing that is continually regurgitated here day in and day out is that Caylee is dead, Casey is a so and so and the Anthonys never loved Caylee.

That isn't "discussion", it's mindless repetition.I'm interested. If you've got the proof, then put it up here.

Show me how the shamrocks tell anyone that Caylee is still alive.

Show me.

[Fallen Angel]

Dg do you think a gang is involved? Will you elaborate please.

if you google gang Shamrock insignia's you'll find only a few articles talking about the Aryan Brotherhood. I seriously doubt Casey's friends were part of the Aryan Brotherhood ........Would be nice if the poster would post proof to her statement but i seriously doubt that will happen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_tattoo


Lots of crazy gang tattoo's
http://www.gangink.com/index.php?pr=GANG_LIST

[bballgrl]

It has to be part Italian too though, i.e. the tattoo.

Maybe the "Good Life" gang?:confused:

I don't know about any gang involvement in this case... but Good Life is a clothing brand (I saw it an Ron Jons when I was in Cocoa Beach this spring)

:shrug:

[Fallen Angel]

Warning, warning, warning......

The post I am about to make has not been verified other than someone saying they heard it live on Channel 9.

Cadaver dogs have supposedly hit in an area by the airport.

We do not know if this is true and many times in the past, they haven't been.

WOW thank you

[Regina.Lampert]

Criminy! Some gang members have tats, some may be shamrocks, some may wear rosaries, some black beads. I bet they ALL drink water, but drinking water does not make you a gang member. IMO

Gang members drink water? Cynthia drinks water. Cynthia is a gang member..... :eek:

Who knew???




lol

[tiny paw-prints]

And if that's the only connection is that you love shamrocks, then you certainly wouldn't be thought of as a gang member.

I'm Irish.

I've never seen a white shamrock.

[Joan Weiss]

If they keep Baez they can go for ineffective counsel. aka Cynthia Sommers. :read:Well, after that statement, if she keeps him and gets convicted, she won't get a favorable appeal judgment based on that. She has plenty of time to switch, right now. imo

[kakax]

area has supposedly been cordoned off by police tape.

Supposedly it was the body hunters dog....ugh I'm sorry you all, these dogs have hit on animal remains before so don't get too worked up. The reporter said he smelled decomposition...he is standing 30 feet away. Not sure decomposition would still be able to be smelled at this point.

Please take this with a grain of salt.

[MichelleP]

I'm interested. If you've got the proof, then put it up here.

Show me how the shamrocks tell anyone that Caylee is still alive.

Show me.

How does anyone even know when Casey got this tatoo? She could have got the shamrock tool before her daughter even went missing?

[steffaroob4]

Warning, warning, warning......

The post I am about to make has not been verified other than someone saying they heard it live on Channel 9.

Cadaver dogs have supposedly hit in an area by the airport.

We do not know if this is true and many times in the past, they haven't been.

Ok, I don't do it much, but I am praying here. Please, please bring this baby home. I have been crushed since I heard her sing the other day, I need her to come home. Caylee we love you, we want you to come, where you can be with your favorite doll, again.:rose:

[Fallen Angel]

I'm Irish.

I've never seen a white shamrock.

my step daughter just got married and she had white shamrocks
http://ocdsrose.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/page23.html

[Regina.Lampert]

area has supposedly been cordoned off by police tape.

Thanks Ka!! If there is anything to this we'll know in short order because they will declare a crime scene and send out all kind of forensic people.

[kakax]

Ok, I don't do it much, but I am praying here. Please, please bring this baby home. I have been crushed since I heard her sing the other day, I need her to come home. Caylee we love you, we want you to come, where you can be with your favorite doll, again.:rose:

09-03-2008, 06:05 PM Time of the post

Omg I am a moron. This was almost a month ago. You are all welcome to beat me..... :punch:

[MichelleP]

LOL

I'm not here to change your mind or the mind of anyone else, because for one thing it's impossible to remove embedded hate for the Anthonys, misinformation and rash judgments based on individual personality while absent of half of the facts.

LE has done a good job of blindly leading the followers with nothing more than intentional "leaks".

You don't know all those facts yourself yet you have came to a conclusion it appears.

[kakax]

Thanks Ka!! If there is anything to this we'll know in short order because they will declare a crime scene and send out all kind of forensic people.

No I was confused...I didn't check the time of the post.....please forgive me...ugh.

It was 09-03-2008, 06:05 PM

It was a top link so I clicked on it and read the first post and didn't check the time.

[Mandysmom]

If she was in a gang, then I wish I was too so I could have beaten her into it, as initiation. hammer moo

Or maybe Casey got into a gang and had to give her child to lead gang member to get in?barf

I'm with you on that one Bella!

:)

[steffaroob4]

Who is Annie in all of this?

Annie was very good friend that lived at sawgrass.

[kakax]

No I was confused...I didn't check the time of the post.....please forgive me...ugh.

It was 09-03-2008, 06:05 PM

It was a top link so I clicked on it and read the first post and didn't check the time.

Seems that they merged some threads and didn't change the title...sorry for the false hope guys!

[Dogmatic]

Umm, Caylee is THREE, not two, and no, he didn't just admit that Casey knows where Caylee's dead body is.

Defense Attorneys are there to protect the rights of their client, just as you would need protection too, particularly true in this case when Baez believes that LE is only interested in prosecuting Casey for Caylee's disappearance and nothing more.

It's really amazing that so many here aren't familiar with the duty of Defense Attorneys.

Caylee is three if she is alive. If not, she is two. Until I see ANYTHING from that family that even hints that she might be alive, she will always be two to me.

Defense lawyers are there to protect the rights of their clients, however, in my opinion they also need to pursue truth and justice. Based on the truth, they need to preserve their clients rights to fair justice; not based on lies, smoke and mirrors.

[Mandysmom]

Again no answer...hopefully people will stop asking you all togther as it seems you like when its all about you.

She has nothing and she knows it. It's beginning to be laughable if it weren't so sad.

:rolleyes:

[joolz]

Sociopathy is not a mental illness (it's a state of mind). Scott Peterson is a known sociopath, and he's sitting on death row. That's my point.
:seeya:

Wrong. Happiness is a state of mind. Optimism is a state of mind. Worry is a state of mind.

Sociopathy is both a real medical disorder and a bad personality trait at any level. Sociopathy is a loosely-defined term that may be used to refer to:

Psychopathy
Antisocial personality disorder
Dissocial personality disorder

[warrkat]

Warning, warning, warning......

The post I am about to make has not been verified other than someone saying they heard it live on Channel 9.

Cadaver dogs have supposedly hit in an area by the airport.

We do not know if this is true and many times in the past, they haven't been.

It's Friday...... and maybe some good news for a change. (not that finding a body is happy news, but it would be easier to convict a killer if her body is found.)

edit: oh, craaaaaaap. LOL

[kakax]

:punch: Thank goodness you caught it! I was just picking up the phone to call Mom.

Thank goodness *I* never make mistakes! :D

My adrenaline started pumping for sure rofl!! They are talking about having the title of the thread changed right now.

[OneUp]

We did a poll last night everyone except myself and Jennydots said in Oct.
I said Nov 7 after the election and Jenny said the week after.

We really should have a thread for this but I have no idea how to start one.

The BIG question is, will it be during NG? Thats always fun......LOLMy vote for Homicide charges is not very specific, but I think LE will push it up to the wire and wait until right when the Neglect charges are due to be in court. If I had to pick a date, I'd go with the 10th of November. I believe LE wants the remains for a stronger case, and possibly a stiffer charge.
If they cannot find Caylee by then, I think the DA will go ahead with Negligent Homicide charges ( possibly more, if they have some solid evidence we haven't seen yet that gives more proof of intent....like the chloroform search dates, TonE's testimony of the 16th of June, etc.).
I can't see the DA wanting to deal with the potential messiness of trying the neglect charge, and then trying Homicide w/o any overlap of information/action...that possible double jeopardy situation. Mind you, I think they CAN find Negligence AND homicide...the neglect can be proven by things that are not related to Caylee's death mattering on testimony from maybe Annie, or TonE...some of the things in the docs. already released suggest neglect/abuse. But even if they can prove them independant of each other, it will get costly and complicated...why bother if they can send her up for life on the homicide charge?
All just MY Opinion though.

[Mandysmom]

Seems that they merged some threads and didn't change the title...sorry for the false hope guys!

Stop beating yourself up kakax. You did post a warning. :seeya:

[warrkat]

I'm not trying to be a hall monitor, but I think we were asked not to discuss gang activity in relation to Casey or this case.

If I'm wrong, please excuse me....... just don't want to see our discussion shut down.

:)

[kakax]

Oh well you gave me my aerobic workout for the (year?) when my heart started beating a million miles an hour. Now that I'm relatively sure I'm still alive, I think I'll take advantage of this adrenaline rush and go vacuum.

Don't sweat it K, happens all the time, to good peeps like you, too.



Thanks friend! Come to my house when you are done with yours...going to check out VALID links now.

[Joan Weiss]

If it were you, what would you do? I think that's why the Anthony's have another defense attorney sitting in the wings. They claim he is their attorney.... but maybe that guy is a back up.

Baez has done Casey no good. IMO. I don't think he has the experience to be a death row trial attorney.What happened to Walsh? I think he's still there. :confused:

[bballgrl]

I'm not trying to be a hall monitor, but I think we were asked not to discuss gang activity in relation to Casey or this case.

If I'm wrong, please excuse me....... just don't want to see our discussion shut down.

:)

No problem... The person who threw it out there can't give any info on it, so it is officially not part of this case anyway... Thanks for the warning! ;)

[shellzbi]

I also think she was tampering with evidence, and she knew she was. A nurse knows the smell of decomp. And you are right, I would have thrown it out, not put it in with a normal load of clothes. Heck, she even said the car smelled like there was a dead body in it. Little did she know it was her own grand daughter.

I've said from day one she will be charged also.... with obstruction of justice. JMO. George knows it, and so does Lee. Charge all of them with obstruction. I mean, come on, your grand daughter is missing, and you clean up "evidence" and lie to LE.

Hi Dunnie, I agree with you 100%.

This Anthony clan is beyond belief to me.

As far as Cindy goes regarding obstruction, she has not helped this case she just twists and turns in the wind with her theories. I don't ever remember this family looking for Caylee.

But to be charged with obstruction that's a giant leap for me. Not to say it won't happen.

I find it odd that all of a sudden a low profile from the family. What are they doing?

They are not working or maybe GA is, but heck Cindy is the bread winner in the family.

How are they paying the bills day to day?

They are not out looking for Caylee which is a shame.

I hope they pick Casey up today and let her sit in a cage and let her think about what she has done. Put her in with the other talent at the jail, heck give her a little taste of her own reality that she and she alone has created. IMO.

[Rayosunshine]

Supposedly it was the body hunters dog....ugh I'm sorry you all, these dogs have hit on animal remains before so don't get too worked up. The reporter said he smelled decomposition...he is standing 30 feet away. Not sure decomposition would still be able to be smelled at this point.

Please take this with a grain of salt.

Sorry, who is the body hunter? Is that part of LE?

[Mandysmom]

Hi Dunnie: I've seen hundreds if not thousands of posts that say the Anthony's never loved Caylee, or they love money more than Caylee, and all that type garbage.

I highly doubt you've seen hundreds or thousands of posts saying the Anthonys never loved Caylee.

From what I've seen, most people myself included, believe they loved her very much.

However, when they stopped their pursuit of the truth and went into protecting Casey mode, I along with others, began to question the actions of the family.

I don't doubt they loved Caylee, but as Cindy said herself, there is nothing she can do about it. She began to protect her daughter just as she has done for years.

:(

[Joan Weiss]

<snip>Based on the truth, they need to preserve their clients rights to fair justice; not based on lies, smoke and mirrors.All that seems to have fallen by the wayside; maybe since OJ or Westerfield? imo

[Dogmatic]

And if you perceive things to be lies, smoke and mirrors, then that fault may be within yourself and your own judgment - not something that the Defense Attorney is actually doing.

There are only 2 choices in the court room. Prosecution and Defense.

No one is going to believe both in the end, and it doesn't necessarily mean that either of them lied.

I'm not perceiving anything. Casey is a liar.

Defense should be based on facts and truth. Not lies.

That is my interpretation.

[shelbar53]

Just want to remind everyone of this site. It is funny but takes alittle of time to read but I highly recommend to read it. Get a cup of coffee and sit back and enjoy :read:

http://twistedmysterywriter.com/

[Regina.Lampert]

No I was confused...I didn't check the time of the post.....please forgive me...ugh.

It was 09-03-2008, 06:05 PM

It was a top link so I clicked on it and read the first post and didn't check the time.

hammer


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Ah, glad that's out of my system, feel much better now.

Don't worry about it KA, we needed a jolt like that........lol.

[steffaroob4]

09-03-2008, 06:05 PM Time of the post

Omg I am a moron. This was almost a month ago. You are all welcome to beat me..... :punch:

:punch:Now, do we need to have this chat about wearing your glasses again?:punch:

Np, we all make mistakes

[Dogmatic]

Please let this "maybe a dog hit a smell by the airport be true"!!!!!! Fingers crossed.

[kakax]

Sorry, who is the body hunter? Is that part of LE?

THIS HAPPENED A MONTH AGO....IT IS NOT CURRENT!!!

The body hunter's dogs hit on animal remains a month ago. My mistake in bringing it over as current!

[need2no]

Seems that they merged some threads and didn't change the title...sorry for the false hope guys!



You could make it up to us with another funny pic. :D

[kakax]

Please let this "maybe a dog hit a smell by the airport be true"!!!!!! Fingers crossed.



THIS IS NOT CURRENT - IT WAS MY MISTAKE

See previous posts.

[Rayosunshine]

Think there may be something on the police scanner?