Thursday, 10/2/08 Afternoon/Evening, Day 108 [Archive] - Page 2

lonetraveler

10-02-2008, 08:26 PM

I'm really trying to jog my memory about it. (!!!) I'm pretty sure I read it in a post that was posted by a forum member (here or elsewhere) that had read about a woman and possibly her friend? who had remembered the sighting of the Pontiac with petite woman or young boy wearing a baseball cap. I do recall reading about it before TES arrived. Maybe someone posted about it on a 'mother board' after reading the post in a comment section of a linked article when the news originally broke?

I'm now thinking she (the person who remembered the sighting) probably became more assertive about the sighting and/or tip, moreso after TES arrived.

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If I recall correctly, I read about this from a letter posted from someone on "Briansprediction". The writer of the letter was so passionately begging them to search in this area and described the same senario: small built woman with a baseball cap coming from an area on the side of the road and the car was parked in the median.

steffaroob4

10-02-2008, 08:26 PM

That scares me. Casey made it a point to say Cindy didn't want her to jog there because of the murder...hmmm

jmo

Did Casey job before or after work?

PolyGraph

10-02-2008, 08:27 PM

Oh Good Lord!!! You must be kidding!!!! I cannot believe it. Well, I hope her atorney will have some good advice. Surely the police know this. I am sure they have investigated her thru and thru.Yeah i know i was like :eek: when I saw that!!!!

Cury-us Coyote

10-02-2008, 08:27 PM

Notice they didn't put out the fact she was texting Tony, either, lol. I think they were putting some spin on the "flurry of calls." I think that was an attempt to use the accident theory.

Incoming Kyle call could be last call after the noon timeframe when Caylee allegedly called Casey supposedly the day of or before the arrest 7/14 or 7/15. I remember the OTR screen display of the calls. IIRC N2N quickly posted the times but I can't find the post.
jmo

PolyGraph

10-02-2008, 08:28 PM

Yip that's the guy. Weird really weird.
Don't know if you all have heard this but here you go myspace girl is actually back in the pic.
http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=942Yeah i know, I read that that is where i got the site for the court files I thought that was crazy that she was caught in all those lies. IMOO

GrandmaGA

10-02-2008, 08:28 PM

PolyGraph

10-02-2008, 08:29 PM

On tonight's menu...
The unleashed lawyers.
The psychologist.
The callers who forget to mention her babies. hahhahahaa I know right its almost predictable now! muhahahaha

crymeariver2006

10-02-2008, 08:29 PM

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I am starting to think that Baez wants off of this case. JMO

I don't think he wants off the case. I do think he has known for some time what happened to Caylee.

Remember, HE was the one trying to get some sort of immunity deal (which he denied until the emails came out), and there was talk about some sort of "accident" (but common sense would tell you that the State wouldn't offer for her to plead to an accident/panic).

And then you have to wonder why NG has brought up with her defense attorneys what to do if you find out your client's committed murder and you know where the body is. They ALL said that he had to report the hiding, or recuse himself from the case and get another attorney. Or if it was learned that he knew all along where the body was, he could face ethics charges if he continued to represent the client.

But seeing as he's all but admitted her guilt.....I can see where another attorney could be appointed (or hired).

He was in over his head from jump street. IMO.

girlspell

10-02-2008, 08:30 PM

:seeya: No problem, I'm going to watch it too but first on my list is Nancy Grace! Anyone know who she is going to hammer tonite?

I wonder if she will bring up what Baez said about this being not in Casey's best interest to say anything. He had said that yesterday. Just wonder if this was confirmed.

steffaroob4

10-02-2008, 08:30 PM

Incoming Kyle call could be last call after the noon timeframe when Caylee allegedly called Casey supposedly the day of or before the arrest 7/14 or 7/15. I remember the OTR screen display of the calls. IIRC N2N quickly posted the times but I can't find the post.
jmo

Oh, is that the one that she says she spoke to Caylee at noon, I think I am remembering that.

I wish I had these phone logs in text format for easing searching, does anyone have them in text???

Rayosunshine

10-02-2008, 08:31 PM

I talked to the people at the from desk and they haven't been informed when or if TES is comming back here...

MrLucky are you driving and computering at the same time?

tiny paw-prints

10-02-2008, 08:31 PM

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I read almost the same information from a letter posted on another message board at least a month ago maybe even 6 wks. This poster was going on and on about this and begged for searchers to check this area. If this is the same poster, he or she even gave the hwy number. The details were so similar.

Yes, the details were very similar to those in this article.

In that post, do you recall if the woman mentioned that she had missed the airport exit and had to circle around again, and that's when she noticed the sighting?

msgatorslayer

10-02-2008, 08:31 PM

I think they arrested someone but had to let them go!! IIRC?! jmo

I'm probably thinking of another killer. Ashame there is so many.:mad:

babblefishie

10-02-2008, 08:32 PM

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If I recall correctly, I read about this from a letter posted from someone on "Briansprediction". The writer of the letter was so passionately begging them to search in this area and described the same senario: small built woman with a baseball cap coming from an area on the side of the road and the car was parked in the median.

YES! I'm going to go scroll through there... You're totally right... THAT's where I saw it too..

crymeariver2006

10-02-2008, 08:32 PM

Isn't there a special thread now for the Zenaida conspiracy theorists?

Please use it.

TIA

Joan Weiss

10-02-2008, 08:32 PM

Kinf of off topic but important....

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I was doing some little investigating of my own and was checking out the whole zg lawsuit thing and to see what this woman was like etc etc etc and I came across a file that was filed in orlando court files, It was the county website that shows all of the court documents that are filed and I went through all of zg's files. I found alot of files where zg was getting suid for eviction and for owing people money but the one that struck me the most is the one I saw last, (I will try to post it here if anyone wants to see it!) where it says zg was suing a JESUS ORTIZ!!!! Isnt this the same guy who casey claimed was caylee's dad??? this story just gets more and more strange everytime I look into it!!! :read:Here's the Zenaida thread. Take it over there.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=341086

steffaroob4

10-02-2008, 08:35 PM

Incoming Kyle call could be last call after the noon timeframe when Caylee allegedly called Casey supposedly the day of or before the arrest 7/14 or 7/15. I remember the OTR screen display of the calls. IIRC N2N quickly posted the times but I can't find the post.
jmo

I think it was the 15th, I remember NG telling CA to provide the phone records, when CA stated that there was a call that day that could have come from ZG. One was Tony, another kyle IIRC

I am trying to look for it, but Hurricane Kyle isn't helping my search efforts.

Rayosunshine

10-02-2008, 08:36 PM

Isn't that strange.

Think one of her cop friends was doing a security job, moonlighting?

PolyGraph

10-02-2008, 08:36 PM

Here's the Zenaida thread. Take it over there.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=341086
thanks i was looking for that!

nc1948

10-02-2008, 08:37 PM

I don''t think Casey will ever accept any kind of deal. She really thinks she is going to get away with this. She had a 30/31 day head start. She reminds me of Scott Peterson, so confident. She really thinks she has Le snowed. Her lack of emotion is amazing.

I am afraid with no body that she will not get the DP, but I do believe they have enough evidence to convict her and put her away for a really long time. That would satiisfy me. Just as long as it is a very long sentence. I am ready for her to be charged with murder in some degree and to be arrested. This week end would be a great time.

PolyGraph

10-02-2008, 08:40 PM

I am not getting this mentality. Shes a big part of the case and if she has some ties to someone Casey knows, its important to discuss with some of us who haven't closed our minds to every possible scenario.

If Zenaida even did something with Caylee, I can understand Casey being afraid of her, Zenaida has some people here charmed with very little facts we really even know about her. Casey always throws in some kind of truth, maybe Zenaida should follow suit. moo

Yes she is a part of this case so I dont understand why we have to post there although I will because I do not want to get kicked off the board or upset others, I just thought that was a strange coinky dink that the papers linked together two people associated with casey. My bad for saying that I guess:shrug:

GrandmaGA

10-02-2008, 08:40 PM

I am not getting this mentality. Shes a big part of the case and if she has some ties to someone Casey knows, its important to discuss with some of us who haven't closed our minds to every possible scenario.

If Zenaida even did something with Caylee, I can understand Casey being afraid of her, Zenaida has some people here charmed with very little facts we really even know about her. Casey always throws in some kind of truth, maybe Zenaida should follow suit. moo
It's mob rule. If you dare not go along with the crowd they try to send you elsewhere, mock you or try to get you banned. Same ole, same ole. They seem to think everyone should think as they do and no one better question them or their opinions.

nana6

10-02-2008, 08:41 PM

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I read almost the same information from a letter posted on another message board at least a month ago maybe even 6 wks. This poster was going on and on about this and begged for searchers to check this area. If this is the same poster, he or she even gave the hwy number. The details were so similar.

Is this one of the 2 places police are looking at again?

steffaroob4

10-02-2008, 08:41 PM

7/15
from 11:35 to 12:48
casey was sending out text after text, I see NO incoming call at all.

crymeariver2006

10-02-2008, 08:42 PM

joolz

10-02-2008, 08:42 PM

I am not getting this mentality. Shes a big part of the case and if she has some ties to someone Casey knows, its important to discuss with some of us who haven't closed our minds to every possible scenario.

If Zenaida even did something with Caylee, I can understand Casey being afraid of her, Zenaida has some people here charmed with very little facts we really even know about her. Casey always throws in some kind of truth, maybe Zenaida should follow suit. moo

Zenaida has people "charmed?" What an odd way to phrase it. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that many people believe the logical conclusion: Casey Anthony killed her own daughter, and everything else is just smoke. JMO

barskin&co.

10-02-2008, 08:42 PM

7/15
from 11:35 to 12:48
casey was sending out text after text, I see NO incoming call at all.

Yep, that's what LE has been saying.

steffaroob4

10-02-2008, 08:42 PM

I know this is a typo, but it caught my funny bone.

Pun intended.

OMGhammer

That is funny, I tell you I am getting old, sorry.

Cury-us Coyote

10-02-2008, 08:43 PM

I think it was the 15th, I remember NG telling CA to provide the phone records, when CA stated that there was a call that day that could have come from ZG. One was Tony, another kyle IIRC

I am trying to look for it, but Hurricane Kyle isn't helping my search efforts.

And Cindy says her phone records are missing some calls. :rolleyes:
AFAIK the challenge to prove the media wrong has not been happened yet.
jmo

margaret kep

10-02-2008, 08:44 PM

Does anyone recall an alleged friend's phone or text message asking Casey if she was jogging in a specific area at a stated time? To which she responded NO, IIRC. Where did I see that, what area was discussed, and what day? TIA

IIRC Jessie Grund

crymeariver2006

10-02-2008, 08:44 PM

Yes she is a part of this case so I dont understand why we have to post there although I will because I do not want to get kicked off the board or upset others, I just thought that was a strange coinky dink that the papers linked together two people associated with casey. My bad for saying that I guess:shrug:

You posted a link that has been repeatedly removed by the moderator. If you have any questions regarding said link, please take them up with her.

Nobody is trying to kick you or anybody else off the board.

steffaroob4

10-02-2008, 08:45 PM

Then take it to the Zenaida thread.

Hey, is that what happened to the afternoon thread? I noticed about 100 posts that vanished, all at once.

I think having a thread for ZG is a good idea, they can focus on just her over there.

nana6

10-02-2008, 08:45 PM

Oh Good Lord, you believe what you wish to and please allow me to do the same. :rolleyes: What you are so sure of just may be not fact.

Hi Grandma, I did not mean to offend you at all. I was just caught off guard and had to respond:)

TwinMommie

10-02-2008, 08:46 PM

On tonight's menu...
The unleashed lawyers.
The psychologist.
The callers who forget to mention her babies.

Just a lurker; who doesn't post here ofter. But that just made me shoot pepsi out of my nose. That was funny! Cheers! :beer:

steffaroob4

10-02-2008, 08:47 PM

And Cindy says her phone records are missing some calls. :rolleyes:
AFAIK the challenge to prove the media wrong has not been happened yet.
jmo

Oh you are right, ATT is to blame for missing calls, they always forget to bill me for my calls:rolleyes:

steffaroob4

10-02-2008, 08:48 PM

And Cindy says her phone records are missing some calls. :rolleyes:
AFAIK the challenge to prove the media wrong has not been happened yet.
jmo

Hey, do you think that the female in the blockboster photos has a dress on?

crymeariver2006

10-02-2008, 08:50 PM

Hey, is that what happened to the afternoon thread? I noticed about 100 posts that vanished, all at once.

I think having a thread for ZG is a good idea, they can focus on just her over there.

I agree, they can focus on her over there.

In light of Baez' statement all but admitting his client is guilty, one would think he might know a little something about who the guilty party is here. And who it's not.

:shrug:

Snoopy50

10-02-2008, 08:51 PM

Oh you are right, ATT is to blame for missing calls, they always forget to bill me for my calls:rolleyes:
I actually called my carrier weeks ago when I first read about Cindy's claim to inquire if this was possible. I was told NO, even if the entire network went down, the memory in the system would eventually show whatever activity there was and it would get on the bill. I asked if this happened often and was told almost never, calls and texts are billed just fine. Cindy thinks we are stupid.:cool:

crymeariver2006

10-02-2008, 08:51 PM

Oh you are right, ATT is to blame for missing calls, they always forget to bill me for my calls:rolleyes:

Me too, and it's always the important ones that I need for an alibi.

:D

desmom

10-02-2008, 08:53 PM

Nancy Grace for this evening....

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

Tot mom's ex-fiance finally breaks his silence! What does he think of accusations he's involved in Caylee's disappearance?

Snoopy50

10-02-2008, 08:56 PM

barskin&co.

10-02-2008, 08:57 PM

Me too, and it's always the important ones that I need for an alibi.

:D
Don't you just hate when that happens? :biggrin:

One of Nancy's favorite phrases.

Larkin

10-02-2008, 08:57 PM

Rayosunshine

10-02-2008, 08:57 PM

hope the link works:

http://elfninosmom.wordpress.com/200...disappearance/

Scroll down to "Kathleen"

day2day

10-02-2008, 08:58 PM

I'm probably thinking of another killer. Ashame there is so many.:mad:

It really is gatorgirl. It really is!! jmo :mad:

Cury-us Coyote

10-02-2008, 09:00 PM

Hey, do you think that the female in the blockboster photos has a dress on?

No, I see very short shorts.
jmo

day2day

10-02-2008, 09:00 PM

nana6

10-02-2008, 09:01 PM

So .. does this mean there won't be a Grandma vs. Nana smackdown this evening?

What's up with the board police?
Did CW say we weren't allowed to discuss ZFG? I must have missed her comments.

Ok let me see if I can handle or explain what happened here. I responded to Grandma by mistake I should have reponded to polygraph instead. My comment was meant for polygraph not grandma when I said I could not believe it etc. I am very sorry for any confusion here.. I do not want to start any trouble at all.

FrankieBones1

10-02-2008, 09:04 PM

I am not getting this mentality. Shes a big part of the case and if she has some ties to someone Casey knows, its important to discuss with some of us who haven't closed our minds to every possible scenario.

If Zenaida even did something with Caylee, I can understand Casey being afraid of her, Zenaida has some people here charmed with very little facts we really even know about her. Casey always throws in some kind of truth, maybe Zenaida should follow suit. moo

Can you please take it to the proper thread? Zenaida did not have anything to do with Caylee's death. I'm sure I read somewhere on this board that these posts will be deleted.

Velouria

10-02-2008, 09:04 PM

I am not getting this mentality. Shes a big part of the case and if she has some ties to someone Casey knows, its important to discuss with some of us who haven't closed our minds to every possible scenario.

If Zenaida even did something with Caylee, I can understand Casey being afraid of her, Zenaida has some people here charmed with very little facts we really even know about her. Casey always throws in some kind of truth, maybe Zenaida should follow suit. moo

Charmed? Well, I would hardly call myself charmed by her in any respect, but I do think she has been thoroughly investigated by LE in regard to this case. This bit about her actually having done something with Caylee, and Casey being afraid of her (huh?)is pure conjecture without any sort of supporting evidence other than the ramblings of a pathological liar and thief.

Velouria

10-02-2008, 09:08 PM

Oh you are right, ATT is to blame for missing calls, they always forget to bill me for my calls:rolleyes:

LOL!

Yes, nothing they like better than being forced to UNDER charge their customers.

aubrey04

10-02-2008, 09:09 PM

They are searching the south side of Orlando airport. Mike Brookes just said that they are using the pings to pinpoint where Casey was when this "sighting" was reported to happen.

desmom

10-02-2008, 09:10 PM

hope the link works:

http://elfninosmom.wordpress.com/200...disappearance/

Scroll down to "Kathleen"

I got a 404 Error. :(

Rayosunshine

10-02-2008, 09:12 PM

I got a 404 Error. :(

Let me check again - I cut and pasted after I read it??? be back.

FrankieBones1

10-02-2008, 09:13 PM

I'd like to know too if CW posted a warning re: ZG. thank.

What part of the following title (sticky) do you gals not understand?
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=341086

aubrey04

10-02-2008, 09:14 PM

Jose Baez is such a quack. Why does he have that Scott Peterson arrogant smirk on his face all the time? That man is not equipped for a case of this caliber. I expect a change of lawyer REAL soon.

"Show her hand" and risk going to jail for the rest of her life??

Yeah, he just proved that he knows that Casey is a baby killer.

:rolleyes:

Rayosunshine

10-02-2008, 09:16 PM

I got a 404 Error. :(

Try here:

elfninosmom.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/updates-on-caylee-anthony-disappearance/

FrankieBones1

10-02-2008, 09:16 PM

They are searching the south side of Orlando airport. Mike Brookes just said that they are using the pings to pinpoint where Casey was when this "sighting" was reported to happen.

Is this a new tip or are they going over all the old tips?

OneUp

10-02-2008, 09:16 PM

Yes ma'am..JB's arrogance is gonna bite Casey right in the butt. I tell ya these people make me mad. While the Anthony's are busy lying, collecting funds and giving false tips..LE has been working HARD to find Caylee. I just can't believe them!!

jmoI'm just on and catching up...read the article about the new tip and I HOPE something comes of it. The one thing that gves me a teensy hope that it may potentially be legit is that LE has reported 1,000's of tips and claimed most weren't credible. This is one of the few made public...so I assume they are going to the trouble of looking into it well.
Regarding Baez's statement.....:lol:...at this point I am certain he is either an utter buffoon or he means to purposely foul up so Casey can claim inadequate counsel when a conviction comes down the pike and buy herself more time. Seriously? I thought they did away with putting Law licenses in Cracker Jack boxes?!?!?
JMO.

day2day

10-02-2008, 09:18 PM

Ok let me see if I can handle or explain what happened here. I responded to Grandma by mistake I should have reponded to polygraph instead. My comment was meant for polygraph not grandma when I said I could not believe it etc. I am very sorry for any confusion here.. I do not want to start any trouble at all.

Nana...
No problem..it happens to all of us! Don't let it get to ya!! :seeya:

FrankieBones1

10-02-2008, 09:19 PM

Oh, thank you, I didn't see the first 10 posts prior to yours directing me there, must be a glitch of sorts.:rose:No worries. I'm just so happy to be of help. :rose:

Rayosunshine

10-02-2008, 09:19 PM

What part of the following title (sticky) do you gals not understand?
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=341086

As I understand, any posts related to Zenaida are to be made on that forum or they will be deleted.

FrankieBones, thanks for being so diplomatic with your post.

P.S. I don't like being referred to as a "gal"

day2day

10-02-2008, 09:21 PM

I'm just on and catching up...read the article about the new tip and I HOPE something comes of it. The one thing that gves me a teensy hope that it may potentially be legit is that LE has reported 1,000's of tips and claimed most weren't credible. This is one of the few made public...so I assume they are going to the trouble of looking into it well.
Regarding Baez's statement.....:lol:...at this point I am certain he is either an utter buffoon or he means to purposely foul up so Casey can claim inadequate counsel when a conviction comes down the pike and buy herself more time. Seriously? I thought they did away with putting Law licenses in Cracker Jack boxes?!?!?
JMO.

I pray so hard that this is a good tip. I pray that they find Caylee! I can't imagine trying to go through all the bad tips to get to the one that might bring her home.

LOL @ JB. I don't think i would hire him if my dog bit my neighbor. Seriously what is he thinking?! jmo

:shrug:

desmom

10-02-2008, 09:21 PM

Try here:

elfninosmom.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/updates-on-caylee-anthony-disappearance/

Thank you.

GrandmaGA

10-02-2008, 09:21 PM

As I understand, any posts related to Zenaida are to be made on that forum or they will be deleted.

FrankieBones, thanks for being so diplomatic with your post.

P.S. I don't like being referred to as a "gal"

CW did not start that thread.

FrankieBones1

10-02-2008, 09:23 PM

I don't understand the part where it doesn't appear that CW started that thread?? :confused:At the risk of going off topic I will explain it to you so that you can understand. CW took the Zenaida posts and merged them all together on one thread. She titled the thread so that you could understand the concept. It is quite simple. Just because she didn't sign her name to the thread doesn't mean she didn't compose the title and spent all that time putting the thread together.

joolz

10-02-2008, 09:24 PM

No worries. I'm just so happy to be of help. :rose:

:seeya: Thanks Frankie, I know there are a lot of posters who really appreciate all the work you do to provide links and clarity.:)

FrankieBones1

10-02-2008, 09:25 PM

I see the baiters are back so I'm out of here.

See you gals and guys in the morning. Hopefully we'll have some news and something to discuss.

tiny paw-prints

10-02-2008, 09:25 PM

They are searching the south side of Orlando airport. Mike Brookes just said that they are using the pings to pinpoint where Casey was when this "sighting" was reported to happen.

What street or exit of the Orlando Airport is located on the "south side" of the airport?

GrandmaGA

10-02-2008, 09:28 PM

At the risk of going off topic I will explain it to you so that you can understand. CW took the Zenaida posts and merged them all together on one thread. She titled the thread so that you could understand the concept. It is quite simple. Just because she didn't sign her name to the thread doesn't mean she didn't compose the title and spent all that time putting the thread together.

Is there a special thread for Jesus Ortiz as well? He too was mentioned in the original post about Zenaida.

Are we going to have special threads for each individual in this case?
:rolleyes:

aubrey04

10-02-2008, 09:34 PM

Is this a new tip or are they going over all the old tips?

That was discussed on Nancy Grace but I didn't catch what they said.. not sure? Maybe someone else caught it.

steffaroob4

10-02-2008, 09:34 PM

No, I see very short shorts.
jmo

really, i swear a skirt (http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii124/steffenyb/kirk/bbust3.jpg), I still can't believe you saw her in the first place, so I think I will take your word for it.

hmmm... have you seen the originals:D

GrandmaGA

10-02-2008, 09:35 PM

I dont know about that because I posted like 50 posts about Zenaida today and they are still here, and not on the Zenaida thread. But for what its worth I don't see why CW or any Mod should make Zenaida a non factor, how silly we would all feel if we found out Zeniada did in fact play a part in Caseys life and we just wrote it of like it wasn't anything. jmo

Why should zenadia have a special thread, why is she so much more special than any of the others involved in this case?

I don't think CW intended for Zenaida to have her own thread but that is only my opinion and if someone posts something about her here and i choose to answer that post I will.

trich

10-02-2008, 09:37 PM

These people calling in to NG sure have not been reading here have they?
Questions we all know the answers to.:rolleyes:

Rayosunshine

10-02-2008, 09:38 PM

nana6

10-02-2008, 09:38 PM

Yeah .. I kind of recall Jesse saying Cindy went off ..Something like ..
Why would you want to marry someone who didn't even finish high school?...... Can't even support her own child? blah blah blah...

IMO Cindy sounds abusive. I don't think she ever wanted Casey to leave. She wanted complete control over her as well as Caylee

desmom

10-02-2008, 09:40 PM

Any rumors of more documents being dumped or maybe (keeping fingers crossed) an arrest tomorrow or this weekend? TIA

Maranatha

10-02-2008, 09:41 PM

I'm so sorry to ask a really uniformed question ... are people still protesting outside of the Anthony house?

This whole thing disgusts me so much, I had to stop following until Casey was formally designated a "suspect". Sucked right back in.

And what a weird question for me to have. :punch:

desmom

10-02-2008, 09:44 PM

I just don't get why Casey didn't take off.
Just disappear... and leave Caylee with her parents.
:shrug:

IMO...Cindy would have been right...Casey was not a good parent.

IOW, Cindy would have won! Caylee was one thing in Casey's life Casey had control of and not her mother.

:rose: Precious Little Caylee

margaret kep

10-02-2008, 09:44 PM

Join the gold star club my dear! I think that is a common interpretation of what Baez said. JMO. I'm trying to come up with a quirkly little nickname for Baez, Bozo is too obvious, any ideas? JMO.

:biggrin:Jose Badazz

OneUp

10-02-2008, 09:45 PM

Oh, OneUp I'm glad you're here. There were so many posts earlier that could have used your insight. They were all about Casey's personality disorders and the possible defense tactics they may be used, I wish you were here to offer your opinion. JMO.LOL, I read some...I'm rather glad i wasn't here. Thanks for the nice compliment anyway!:) I'm just here briefly for now while my super sweet hubby gives me the night off and cooks!
As far as Casey and the potential defense, I have no doubt that Baez will try to claim childhood trauma...frankly I suspect some significant childhood trauma, prob. sexual abuse for many reasons ( I DO NOT suspect Lee, George, or Cindy of perpetrating it.). It fits the families closeted ways and extreme defense of any behavior of Casey's, and explains much of her behavior as well. I'd be surprised if that is not what she and Baez are up to with the recent joining of support groups, etc.
HOWEVER, don't think it will buy her much from the jury. Had she confessed, or acted less callous there might be a chance it would temper the verdict. Given how depraved her indifference has been, I think a jury is liable to end up feeling much like the majority here do...that there is no excuse for her actions and behavior. Her lack of concern at every turn is just too much. Think of how abuse was used in the Aileen Wournous case...and what little good it did her. That woman was without ANY support or acceptance in the world, as crappy as Casey's family was they have been available in her life. And though she killed multiple people, they were strangers...not her own child.

I personally don't have any use for the typical "abuse defense"...People suffer terribly as children. You deal with it or you run from it...if you don't face your demons and things happen then you as an adult are responsible. Being a victim has never been an excuse or a cause to become a victimizer in my eyes...God gave each of us free will. IMO, if a person has been so damaged by childhood trauma that they cannot adhere to societies rules, then we as a society have every right to have them removed from our midst.
Jail may not be the best answer in every case, but for now it's the only answer.
JMO.

desmom

10-02-2008, 09:46 PM

ilovemylife

10-02-2008, 09:49 PM

I guess you're right.
She hated her mom more than she loved her child.

Wow, your post just shot me right thru the heart. :(

SavannahStar

10-02-2008, 09:53 PM

Great description, an ultrasound. I can't make heads or tails of anything and unless someone has more focused photos, I think this is the last we'll see of them. JMO.

I agree. What's that supposed to be anyway? A pic of Tony and Casey in Blockbuster the night of the 16th? And she is supposedly wearing a skirt and Caylee is nowhere in sight?

I don't see it......at all..........:tongue:

nana6

10-02-2008, 09:53 PM

But she was seeking therapy to deal with Casey and god knows what else, if George was cheating, etc. I really dont blame her for wanting to get Caylee from Casey if she saw how Casey was turning, and I bet Casey got worse as soon as she was legal to drink. And she also had ripped her grandparents off, I mean thats big stuff. moo

you are so right. I bet she was at her wits end with that girl.. and then George and his nonsense, She was on overload if you ask me. I only wish she was able to get Caylee from Casey in some way but I fear it was too late. I don't think Casey wanted Caylee but I also don;t think she was going to let Cindy have her either. Caylee it appears was nothing more than a little pawn to them. or I really should just say to Casey. And any way you look at this, their life as they once knew it is over. AND WHERE is Caylee? I believe the police should tell Casey they will take the DP off of the table if she tells them where to find this precious child IMO of course!!

barskin&co.

10-02-2008, 09:54 PM

When I really think about Cindy's behavior -- about the fact that a grown woman in the midst of a horror such as this -- is trying to finger a young man for the disappearance of her granddaughter because she simply doesn't like him, and because she's trying to keep her felon of a daughter out of prison, I'm just flabbergasted. This is a very dangerous woman, as far as I'm concerned. I suspect Cindy Anthony has left a trail of bodies in her wake over the years, and not just her immediate family members.
I agree, her pointing the finger at Jesse was outrageous to the extreme.
Well, now it's off to watch the debate. See ya later! :seeya:

SavannahStar

10-02-2008, 09:55 PM

I agree, her pointing the finger at Jesse was outrageous to the extreme.
Well, now it's off to watch the debate. See ya later! :seeya:

That's where I'm off to as well. :patriot: Check y'all later!

steffaroob4

10-02-2008, 09:55 PM

CW did not start that thread.

I would say that it would be best to ask CW, because I am pretty sure ZG posts go there, I am just saying it the best way to handle these things, then they are over. CW has always been more than helpful to me, of course I have always listened to her and don't spam her with stupid stuff.

day2day

10-02-2008, 09:58 PM

I just don't get why Casey didn't take off.
Just disappear... and leave Caylee with her parents.
:shrug:

And let Caylee "replace" her? She couldn't do it....it would have been too easy..
jmo

nana6

10-02-2008, 09:59 PM

:biggrin:Jose Badazz

no no, Dumb azz:seeya:

marshmallow

10-02-2008, 09:59 PM

LOL, I read some...I'm rather glad i wasn't here. Thanks for the nice compliment anyway!:) I'm just here briefly for now while my super sweet hubby gives me the night off and cooks!
As far as Casey and the potential defense, I have no doubt that Baez will try to claim childhood trauma...frankly I suspect some significant childhood trauma, prob. sexual abuse for many reasons ( I DO NOT suspect Lee, George, or Cindy of perpetrating it.). It fits the families closeted ways and extreme defense of any behavior of Casey's, and explains much of her behavior as well. I'd be surprised if that is not what she and Baez are up to with the recent joining of support groups, etc.
HOWEVER, don't think it will buy her much from the jury. Had she confessed, or acted less callous there might be a chance it would temper the verdict. Given how depraved her indifference has been, I think a jury is liable to end up feeling much like the majority here do...that there is no excuse for her actions and behavior. Her lack of concern at every turn is just too much. Think of how abuse was used in the Aileen Wournous case...and what little good it did her. That woman was without ANY support or acceptance in the world, as crappy as Casey's family was they have been available in her life. And though she killed multiple people, they were strangers...not her own child.

I personally don't have any use for the typical "abuse defense"...People suffer terribly as children. You deal with it or you run from it...if you don't face your demons and things happen then you as an adult are responsible. Being a victim has never been an excuse or a cause to become a victimizer in my eyes...God gave each of us free will. IMO, if a person has been so damaged by childhood trauma that they cannot adhere to societies rules, then we as a society have every right to have them removed from our midst.
Jail may not be the best answer in every case, but for now it's the only answer.
JMO.

well said
(and now it's ten characters)

marshmallow

10-02-2008, 10:01 PM

Why should zenadia have a special thread, why is she so much more special than any of the others involved in this case?

I don't think CW intended for Zenaida to have her own thread but that is only my opinion and if someone posts something about her here and i choose to answer that post I will.

I think it had to do with a dubious link that was removed several times.

I say post what you want and if it or you is removed then that's that. Bickering back and forth only shuts the board down for all of us.
(this is directed at no one in particular)

Noahs ARK

10-02-2008, 10:07 PM

I guess you're right.
She hated her mom more than she loved her child.

ITA

I think she hated her mother enough to make sure that she NEVER sees Caylee again. That's her final "unspoken" word to her mother. I think she gets real pleasure knowing her mother will always wonder where Caylee is.

day2day

10-02-2008, 10:08 PM

Does anyone know what date Casey went to jesse's to shower?

101Spots

10-02-2008, 10:10 PM

Jus founf it funny you told Idol to LET it GO and your quote of "winston churchill says never, never, nevr give up !"

Sorry OT ...Won't happen again ,not soon anyway !:)

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a da*n fool about it.
–W.C.Fields

poplife

10-02-2008, 10:18 PM

I think it had to do with a dubious link that was removed several times.

I say post what you want and if it or you is removed then that's that. Bickering back and forth only shuts the board down for all of us.
(this is directed at no one in particular)

apparently it wasn't cool for cindy to have a thread either that discussed her statements to LE. humph!

I have finally realized, my wish in all of this is for caylee to be found. her mother being convicted is second, I truly want caylee to lay in peace.

desmom

10-02-2008, 10:20 PM

Does anyone know what date Casey went to jesse's to shower?

From the documents released 9/23/08, Jesse told LE Casey called him at 10:15 on July 1 asking to use his shower.

Pages 1522 - 1523

jmo

OneUp

10-02-2008, 10:21 PM

I totally agree, there is more than a possibility that Casey was developmentally stunted. moo
ITA that she displays signs of arrested development. I think her friends were becoming of an age that she no longer fit in as well...they were maturing and she was stagnant.
The fact that she chose ( of all people!) to strike up a friendsship with a twelve year old and chitchat about slumber parties is telling in that regard. Empathy, the ability to relate consequences to action, and impulse control are all milestones normally achieved in the Teen years. I won't be surprised if that too figures into Baez's defense angle. But Casey is not arrested intellectually, and her desire to hide and withhold her actions proves that she has the awareness of what is right and what is wrong. She may be about 13 socially and emotionally, but plenty of perpetrators that young have faced adult consequences. Emotional immaturity might help if it were paired with cognitive delays of the intellect. The fact that she was functional in HighSchool proves her intellect to be fine. I really see no mental ability defense that will help, given that she has no prior documented history of any impairments.
Her only viable defense IMO, is to continue to deny and stonewall and hope that she gets a generous and "odd ball" jury.
Even claiming an accident might have worked had she led them to Caylee and had the remains not proven otherwise. I think it's even too late for that now.
JMO.

bchand

10-02-2008, 10:21 PM

Does anyone know what date Casey went to jesse's to shower?

It was July 1st.

Rayosunshine

10-02-2008, 10:22 PM

I guess you're right.
She hated her mom more than she loved her child.

Idol, that statement is probably very true.

edit: I don't think Casey ever learned to love, or what it is to be loved.

brodysho

10-02-2008, 10:25 PM

I dont know witchy, Casey hid her pregnancy for 7 months, she was scared of what Cindy was going to do, I think no matter how bad her kid turned out, Cindy wasn't capable of killing her like Casey probably did Caylee. Lee turned out ok. moo

Hello! I respectfully disagree about Lee turning out ok. lol
After listening to his interview, and how giddy he sounded to be investigator, not to mention the inappropriate laughter.... I started to wonder if he hasn't developed mentally. It was as if he didn't have the mind capacity to understand the severity of what was happening at the time.

OneUp

10-02-2008, 10:27 PM

Hello! I respectfully disagree about Lee turning out ok. lol
After listening to his interview, and how giddy he sounded to be investigator, not to mention the inappropriate laughter.... I started to wonder if he hasn't developed mentally. It was as if he didn't have the mind capacity to understand the severity of what was happening at the time.ITA Brody...the only other explanation I have for Lee's behavior throughout this is far less flattering than calling him immature.
JMO.

aubrey04

10-02-2008, 10:27 PM

I am not trying to go off topic -- this ties in. Steve Fossett's remains were found today - well, at least that's what is believed.. and what is left of him. I heard a blurb on the TV stating that only part of his remains were found because it is theorized that animal predation occurred.

I really hope they find her remains while searching but she was only 3 years old (well, almost 3).. her bones were tiny. That scares me.. it makes me think - even if they are searching in the right area - they may not find her tiny bones.

:(

brodysho

10-02-2008, 10:30 PM

ITA Brody...the only other explanation I have for Lee's behavior throughout this is far less flattering than calling him immature.
JMO.
I know what ya mean.

And to think, I thought Lee was going to be the sane one out of the family. This was before he opened his mouth, of course.

brodysho

10-02-2008, 10:31 PM

How long was that interview conducted after Cindy called the cops?

Um, if i'm not mistaken, I thought it was about two weeks? I'm not too sure though.

Rayosunshine

10-02-2008, 10:32 PM

Can you answer this for me at ZENAIDA thread please.

KR, are you going over to the ZG thread, to read the answer?

OneUp

10-02-2008, 10:34 PM

How long was that interview conducted after Cindy called the cops?Would it matter even if it were years? Not to me...laughing while describing a terrible smell that may well be your decomposing niece is creepy in my book regardless of how much time has passed. Off the top of my head, I think the interview was under two weeks after the 911 calls. around one full week. But I'm not checking as it makes no diff. to me if it was day 31 ( the night of the calls) or day 108. It hasn't been long at all in terms of coping with what may have happened to your missing 3 year old niece.
Some of the laughing I can see as being nervous laughter...but the extent of it all? Nope, just weird and "wrong".
JMO.

tiny paw-prints

10-02-2008, 10:34 PM

Rayosunshine

10-02-2008, 10:35 PM

I'd be glad to discuss ZG on the ZG thread, if someone wants to come over.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Rayosunshine

10-02-2008, 10:36 PM

Does anyone recall if Casey's Pontiac had a sticker or stickers in the back window, or bumper stickers on the back bumper?

Also, does anyone recall if Tony's interview mentioned what Casey was wearing when he came to pick her up at Amscot on 6/27?

Seems I remember a Shamrock on the back window.

brodysho

10-02-2008, 10:36 PM

Would it matter even if it were years? Not to me...laughing while describing a terrible smell that may well be your decomposing niece is creepy in my book regardless of how much time has passed. Off the top of my head, I think the interview was under two weeks after the 911 calls. around one full week. But I'm not checking as it makes no diff. to me if it was day 31 ( the night of the calls) or day 108. It hasn't been long at all in terms of coping with what may have happened to your missing 3 year old niece.
Some of the laughing I can see as being nervous laughter...but the extent of it all? Nope, just weird and "wrong".
JMO.
I agree 100%. The way he laughed when talking about the smell made me shudder.

Rayosunshine

10-02-2008, 10:38 PM

See, I do not think Casey hid her pregnancy, I think that they all denied it.

JMO

I don't think anyone paid attention. JMO

bchand

10-02-2008, 10:43 PM

Um, if i'm not mistaken, I thought it was about two weeks? I'm not too sure though.

Exactly - July 29th

bhardy1956

10-02-2008, 10:44 PM

What part of the following title (sticky) do you gals not understand?
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=341086

I think they are looking for a link to CW's warning, I agree their should be a separate thread to discuss ZG - people that are suspicious of her and the ones that believe she is a victim of Casey's lies. IMO

brodysho

10-02-2008, 10:46 PM

Do I have to smack you upside the head or what? :biggrin:

:D I for one enjoyed Ciao's posts about ZG today. It did make me think.
I don't think she's complicit in what happened to that poor baby Caylee, but I do think there are too many coincidences to ignore. Just what is the link between KC and ZG? Too much of a unique name to just pull from the air.

OneUp

10-02-2008, 10:46 PM

Jesse was a stand up guy. He knew he wasn't the father and yet he continued to court Casey, get engaged and play daddy to Caylee, even his family was involved. When DNA proved he wasn't the dad he didn't step down he stayed with Casey and so did his family (her's I wonder about). I think you are right, she did Jesse and his family a favor when she left. I also think she did Caylee a great disservice by divorcing her from this family. JMO.
TY for saving me some typing Rose!
Whether you like 'em, can't stand 'em, or are amibiguous about the Grunds...they have never done anything bad or harmful to Casey or Caylee. They provided love and acceptance, even knowing that Casey lied to them about Caylee's paternity. Even Cindy can't find any dirt to drag up other than Jesse didn't respect her "rules". It's pretty obvious she should have been more concerned with her own daughter who didn't respect them either!
JMO.

dixie77

10-02-2008, 10:50 PM

The statements that Baez made today speaks volumns to me. He knows Casey is guilty and he knows he wont win. So why make it easy for the prosecution. This joker thought he was gonna make a big name for himself.........but Casey sure took care of that. JMO

desmom

10-02-2008, 10:52 PM

See, I do not think Casey hid her pregnancy, I think that they all denied it.

JMO

I agree.

jmo

brodysho

10-02-2008, 10:54 PM

Its really not unique ,do a zabasearch especialy in EAST Ornage county or any area of Orlando ,Fl ,there are alot ,alot of hispanic's ! TONS in fact , in FACT they are 10 to 1 ( i may be upping that a bit ) ...just saying thats all.
Yes I seen there were a few ZG's while looking thru her court records, but before this I have never heard her name.
It appears a lot of people haven't heard it either cause if you type "zenaida" in google, all the search suggestions pop up relating to this particular ZFG.
I just mean unique in the sense that the average joe has never heard a name like that until now.

Anywho, I'm shutting everything down and going to sleep. If I have to hear that stupid jitter bug commercial one more time I'm going to lose it.

dixie77

10-02-2008, 10:55 PM

ITA, It's time to light a candle for Caylee and pray that someone finds her, IMO.
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OHHHHHHh how i pray that someone will find her remains so that she can have a proper burial. But if this child was buried months ago, how would they find her? There would be no fresh dirt. Is there anything available to detect skeletal remains under ground especially after its been there for some time? This is all so very sad. CASEY.......YOU R TOTAL SCUM. JMO

desmom

10-02-2008, 10:57 PM

tiny paw-prints

10-02-2008, 10:59 PM

The road is called "south acess road", the exit of the greenway would say "Orlando Airport.

Thank you! :seeya:

Just one more Q: Would the "south access road" be a certain roadway often traveled by many if they were on their way to the airport? Or, is that access road seldom traveled?

Maranatha

10-02-2008, 11:00 PM

I think they are still there, but the media is not giving them any air time.

jmo

Thanks so much. :)

Tick tock Casey.

nana6

10-02-2008, 11:00 PM

Hello! I respectfully disagree about Lee turning out ok. lol
After listening to his interview, and how giddy he sounded to be investigator, not to mention the inappropriate laughter.... I started to wonder if he hasn't developed mentally. It was as if he didn't have the mind capacity to understand the severity of what was happening at the time.

I was thinking his giddy laughter was nerves on his part.

Mamie

10-02-2008, 11:04 PM

Please forgive me if this has already been brought up, but last night as I was lying in bed waiting to fall asleep, I thought about what the Anthony women were saying (Casey and Cindy) that Caylee would be home by Saturday---her birthday. I wonder if any of the family bought her birthday presents or ordered a special cake for her. Were there any party plans made or in the process of being made? I mean Steven Stayner's parents shopped for him every year on Christmas and his birthday and saved all the gifts for him for the day he would come home. I wonder what the Anthony's have for Caylee. JMO

OneUp

10-02-2008, 11:10 PM

And I have to quote myself for a sec.

If we wanted to get deep, I bet if Caylee would have been a Grund, then maybe they would have accepted the child more and wouldn't have been pressing her to find a sitter, I mean is that fair? Casey wouldn't have felt so pressured to make up Zanny, as Mr. Grund said, I mean we could sit and put the blame on everone all day, but we should be better than that and put it where it really belongs, and thats to Casey. mooMy understanding of the reason the sitting was brought up, is because Casey kept pawning Caylee off on the Grunds 16 YEAR OLD SON...Richard would come to find him sitting and wasn't ok with that ( I'd agree...most teen boys aren't my first choice of sitters either!). They never refused to sit altogether, and come to find out...she wasn't even working during that time at all.
Anyway???? How can anyone twist it so that Casey removing Caylee from the Grunds because of her anger that they questioned her and her waning interest in Jesse ( and any problems he brought to their relationship OR saw in her), someone makes it their fault? Pretty far reaching to avoid laying the blame on those who cultivated the murdering piece in the first place.
..now, please clarify for me how the Grunds have driven Casey to this, but Cindy and George aren't at all responsible. I am confused with this entire line of reasoning.
JMO, on the rest...my confusion is a fact! LOL.

OneUp

10-02-2008, 11:17 PM

You can think what you want that doesn't make it fact. Your comments therefore mean nothing. Casey did, in fact, hide her pregnacy, from family and friends. You can be a freak about all that, really who cares? JMO.Whether or not you think casey hid her pregnancy, I'd think you would have to find it odd that Cindy, an RN, failed to guess that something was up. I would guess that she ( if not, then George) was the one shopping for the household and probably purchasig the Feminine supplies...not to mention any physical changes that may have been visible.
I have never "gotten how any female hides a pegnancy...even if she barely "shows". I was so sick and had so many signs wi6h both of mine that I don't know how one could hide those. BTW, maybe OT...my mother knew all three times that I was expecting before I did.. ( two children, one miscarriage)....I think "mothers" just have their ways of noticing. I suppose you believe what you want to believe though ( Cindy that is).
JMO.

summer4meplz

10-02-2008, 11:21 PM

did you hear nancy say,,,"out to bounty honey...."

nana6

10-02-2008, 11:21 PM

OOPS. My bad for confronting someone who continuously bad mouths the innocent in this case. I'm sorry I will not do that again. :eek:

what? Not sure I get what you are saying:shrug:

Cury-us Coyote

10-02-2008, 11:22 PM

really, i swear a skirt (http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii124/steffenyb/kirk/bbust3.jpg), I still can't believe you saw her in the first place, so I think I will take your word for it.

hmmm... have you seen the originals:D

lol. IMO, the most clear alleged Blockbuster pictures are obtained by printing four of the last six photos from the Fox 35 site without any resizing. That opinion may depend upon your printer quality.

IMO, the last two are identical and #3 and #4 are the same picture (same timestamp) rotated. After placing the photos in time order, you will notice two different camera locations.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608evidence/indexGallery.htm

I'll PM incase you miss this during debate.

OneUp

10-02-2008, 11:22 PM

OOPS. My bad for confronting someone who continuously bad mouths the innocent in this case. I'm sorry I will not do that again. :eek:...Easter Egg!:rose:
I have other things to attend to for a while...BBL Peeps!
BTW, I searched for any info. regarding who worked at the Lexus dealership. I only came up with rumors of George...and that was on Message boards, which don't count for me as a reliable source.
JMO.

poplife

10-02-2008, 11:27 PM

summer4meplz

10-02-2008, 11:30 PM

Rayosunshine

10-02-2008, 11:32 PM

I was over there waiting ,where were you !!!! LOL I just wanted details of the issue with ZG suing friends or soemthing of Anthonys' ..don't want any trouble for posting here .but I am over there ,hurry up..lol

I went over there and not one showed up, so I went off and researched something. Sent you a pm.

summer4meplz

10-02-2008, 11:33 PM

Cindy very well might have disposed of Caylee.

I personally, don't think cindy had anything to do with Caylee's death or disposal.....but cindy has everything to do with the coverup...imo

summer4meplz

10-02-2008, 11:34 PM

How is that a bold statement? If Cindy had gotten help, would she still be that way?

Just asking.

yes, because you can't fix stupid?

frances1

10-02-2008, 11:35 PM

I've just been reading this evening, and it appears a lot of posters need a nap (or something).

dixie77

10-02-2008, 11:35 PM

Cindy very well might have disposed of Caylee.
==========

I think George did. JMO

summer4meplz

10-02-2008, 11:38 PM

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I think George did. JMO

I do too....

Rayosunshine

10-02-2008, 11:38 PM

[QUOTE=nana6;12223093]I didn't either I thought it was well thought out too:)[/QUOT

I didn't see anything wrong with it either. Could the wrong post have been quoted; cybermonkeys?

kakax

10-02-2008, 11:39 PM

Was Casey arrested during the debate? :tongue:

Good evening all :seeya:

summer4meplz

10-02-2008, 11:40 PM

I think you meant Casey? I guess my answer is that it's pretty clear now that a 2 year-old has been sacrificed, that Cindy should have sought help for herself and her daughter. Emotional and personality disorders of the magnitude that both Cindy and Casey exhibit, isn't something you sweep under the rug out of arrogance or a need to keep up appearances. It costs lives. It cost Caylee her life, imo.

She's trying to make it so it costs Jesse his life......imo

summer4meplz

10-02-2008, 11:43 PM

Anything is possible with this crazy family. They all have the motive to dispose of the body. All of them have the means to do it. It could of been any of them. :shrug:

I would agree seeing how cindy has morphed into this babbling idiot...but on that last 911 call, when you hear the fear and anguish in her voice when she finally realizes Caylee is really really missing.....i just can't see her harming Caylee....if it was an accident, I really think cindy would have called 911....I just don't think it happened on cindy's watch...neither purposely, nor accidently....imo

Rayosunshine

10-02-2008, 11:43 PM

yes, because you can't fix stupid?

And, "Stupid Should Be Painful", bumper-sticker on our car.

kakax

10-02-2008, 11:43 PM

No . She wasn't I'm ticked about it. lol

Do we even have a live cam anymore?

nana6

10-02-2008, 11:53 PM

[QUOTE=nana6;12223093]I didn't either I thought it was well thought out too:)[/QUOT

I didn't see anything wrong with it either. Could the wrong post have been quoted; cybermonkeys?

yes, maybe. I quoted a wrong post tonight and things got fired up here I do think I explained and settled it though

dixie77

10-02-2008, 11:53 PM

ITA, there is nothing left. It's heartbreaking watching the videos of this vibrant child and then associating her with the dead Caylee. Well, it's difficult for most people, just not Casey. She just doesn't seem to care. How can she possibly stay in that home where Caylee lived among Caylee little clothes and toys and not break down and tell where Caylee is? I think that says volumes about Casey. She just doesn't care. She doesn't care that her little baby is rotting in a garbage dump. She doesn't care that her littel baby was gnawed at and torn apart by wild animals. We're at a loss. That woman just doesn't care what happened to that little angel. In other words -- CASEY YOU ARE TOTAL SCUM. JMO and the opinion of many others.
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Hi Rose yes, i agree with u, its very heartbreaking. Casey doesnt care about anything but herself. And to think of all the people who would love to have a child but cant. Where is the justice in this world? Life is just so unfair. Poor Caylee didnt have a chance with a mother that had the morals of the devil himself. JMO

5boxersmom

10-02-2008, 11:54 PM

The fox truck is still there in fact it's the only one there

Did you see anything while you were driving around Orlando today?

nana6

10-02-2008, 11:54 PM

My heart goes out to all the family and friends that knew Caylee. I'm sure that they never saw anything like this coming. Caylee had to have a place in everyone's heart that had ever met her. Just look at what she has done to us. She will not rest, until she is found. And Casey in prison. Caylee will never be a cold case file, she will always be in the for-front of our minds.

JMO

And in the minds of LE They are not going to let this one go cold no way

nana6

10-02-2008, 11:56 PM

She's trying to make it so it costs Jesse his life......imo

i agree but that is not going to happen

summer4meplz

10-02-2008, 11:57 PM

nana6

10-02-2008, 11:59 PM

ITA, there is nothing left. It's heartbreaking watching the videos of this vibrant child and then associating her with the dead Caylee. Well, it's difficult for most people, just not Casey. She just doesn't seem to care. How can she possibly stay in that home where Caylee lived among Caylee little clothes and toys and not break down and tell where Caylee is? I think that says volumes about Casey. She just doesn't care. She doesn't care that her little baby is rotting in a garbage dump. She doesn't care that her littel baby was gnawed at and torn apart by wild animals. We're at a loss. That woman just doesn't care what happened to that little angel. In other words -- CASEY YOU ARE TOTAL SCUM. JMO and the opinion of many others.

ITA and I am thinking that she does not have to talk in her house because they already know what she did with Caylee NOW if she were in jail where she belongs, maybe the bars and bare walls would get to her and she would crack. She sure won't crack while she is at home on the computer, taking her hot showers, doing her makeup, eating home cooked meals.

bchand

10-03-2008, 12:04 AM

Just reading around a bit this evening and came upon a myspace friend of anne downing named samantha....myspace name is samidizzle.....didn't we run the name sammie around the room the other night....?

Oh no, don't bring Sammie up again ! (sammie was the dog in the grund family and went to heaven.)

Samantha is the imaginary Zenaida's imaginary sister.

kakax

10-03-2008, 12:10 AM

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/live10pm11pm.html

MyFox Orlando live at 11 if you are interested. Don't know if they will cover anything.

steffaroob4

10-03-2008, 12:10 AM

Was Casey arrested during the debate? :tongue:

Good evening all :seeya:

I dunno, I am catching up now, lol.
I have my nose in evidence pictures again, all I can say is, why don't we rate the originals, argh, stupid blockbuster pics are driving me nutz.

OneUp

10-03-2008, 12:10 AM

I'm shocked you are posting like this. Did I miss something? :read:Apparently we both missed something...I leave for just a bit and...:confused:
There is an ignore button for a reason...I hate having to use it, but for Pete's sake don't let another poster ruin your experience here!
JMO, as usual.

Pruddennce

10-03-2008, 12:12 AM

I don't think that's fair if you take the post at face value. I believe the poster may be right. If Caylee was proven to be Jesse's baby there never would have been any question about sitters. There never would have been any doubt about where Caylee belonged or to whom she belonged. I don't think it's sick because it's something that Casey herself threw out there to Jesse via text message: Im pregnant and youre the father. If that had proven to be true, I don't think we'd be here today. With all due respect, just because you don't like a poster doesn't mean they make a valid point and if tney do post something it doesn't mean Let's attack. JMO.

thats quite a general statement and the point is moot; the facts are she named NO ONE as the father. family are not automatic babysitters. thats quite a general statement 'never would have been any question about sitters'.....

grandparents have lives and with that title does not designate them as the 'sitters' as an absolute. why would anyone think the grunds, if legally entitled, would have 'solved' the problems of Casey Anthony?

missing in that mindset, are the 'real grandparents' who were already over-extending themselves on behalf of this child....in between the apparent psychotic lobbying between the two C's...IMO

well, this is what happens when the 'bad guy' falls mute.....because casey isnt talking people wander out of the playing field and start picking apart the lives of others, anyone that knew her.

CA's friends, they barely knew her. they had 'real lives', polar opposite of Casey's life....which was one big lie. and IMO, they barely paid attention to her, and IMO, that is what pushes Casey over the top....

what is glaringly apparent to me is this: Casey paid close attention to EVERYONE ELSE's life because she lifted bits of their lives from them for her delusional existence.

me thinks Casey is afraid to be alone with herself.

best regards,
Pru

dixie77

10-03-2008, 12:12 AM

Well that brings up a question I have. How long did the Grunds babysit Caylee? I have read her that it was about a year. WOW if so that sounds pretty darn good of them to me. They had LONG known DNA results by then. A lot of REAL grandparents cannot watch there Grandkids continuously either. I do not think the blame lies with the Grunds. Even good families like the them have their limits when they know they are being used. No one expected her to make up a babysitter.....I mean really, who does that?

Everything so far that has been thrown at that family to smear their name has not stuck. Even Cindy trying to name their son as a suspect in a horrific crime did not work. If fact now like everything else she has done has backfired. Now to the point that LE, Jesse, his father and Lenny are speaking out against it all. Cindy has ruined her own reputation over and over from what I have seen. She will never be a good witness for Casey. She does not think about tomorrow. Just what she thinks she can MAKE people beleive today.

Would Cindy really be doing all this if she truly thought Caylee would be coming back and someday soon learn of all this?.....Would Child Services actually allow Caylee back in that home?
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If Caylee would be alive (which i seriously doubt) it wouldnt surprise me one bit if Child Services would allow Caylee back into that nutty family. Did anyone see on NG about the woman who took her 4 kids and now they r missing? This is the 2nd or 3rd time she has done this....so why did she get un-supervised visits? Just goes to show u.
jmo

kakax

10-03-2008, 12:12 AM

I dunno, I am catching up now, lol.
I have my nose in evidence pictures again, all I can say is, why don't we rate the originals, argh, stupid blockbuster pics are driving me nutz.

Let me know if I can help you do anything!! I'm pretty brain dead...been dealing with teachers and psychologists all week with my daughter who struggles in school. Hasn't been much fun.

kakax

10-03-2008, 12:14 AM

kakax

10-03-2008, 12:15 AM

Thank you and I'm going to follow your lead. :seeya:

Waaaaaa, I'm going to whine that you all are leaving because I just got here rofl !!

kakax

10-03-2008, 12:18 AM

Would anyone like to make a wager in mini candy bars about when she will be arrested?

I'll throw in a mini snickers for my guess of within the next 3 days.

OneUp

10-03-2008, 12:18 AM

thats quite a general statement and the point is moot; the facts are she named NO ONE as the father. family are not automatic babysitters. thats quite a general statement 'never would have been any question about sitters'.....

grandparents have lives and with that title does not designate them as the 'sitters' as an absolute. why would anyone think the grunds, if legally entitled, would have 'solved' the problems of Casey Anthony?

missing in that mindset, is the 'real grandparents' who were already over-extending themselves on behalf of this child....in between the apparent psychotic lobbying between the two C's...IMO

well, this is what happens when the 'bad guy' falls mute.....because casey isnt talking people wander out of the playing field and start picking apart the lives of others, anyone that knew her.

CA's friends, they barely knew her. they had 'real lives', polar opposite of Casey's life....which was one big lie. and IMO, they barely paid attention to her, and IMO, that is what pushes Casey over the top....

what is glaringly apparent to me is this: Casey paid close attention to EVERYONE ELSE's life because she lifted bits of their lives from them for her delusional existence.

me thinks Casey is afraid to be alone with herself.

best regards,
PruHi Pru...nice to "see" ya!:seeya:
Doesn't it make you wonder if Cindy and George kept Caylee quite a bit in the evenings...and if the sitter(Lauren...who sat for free to help Casey out) or the Grunds had her days until the "falling out" did Casey EVER spend any significant time with Caylee?
If anything would cause a problem "bonding" it would certainly be Casey's own refusal to care for her infant in the first year of her life...I personally think bonding is a word beyond Casey's comprehension.
IMO, Casey rejected the concept of Caylee even before birth, and spent the short span of her life trying to continue to deny Caylee's right to a mother child relationship of substance....dressing up a cute doll and parading ehr around does not a mother make. Just ask any mother for support of that fact.
Sadly, Casey has now continued in an attempt to ignore Caylee out of existance...and attempt her family seems hellbent in assisting her with.
JMO.

dixie77

10-03-2008, 12:20 AM

Would anyone like to make a wager in mini candy bars about when she will be arrested?

I'll throw in a mini snickers for my guess of within the next 3 days.
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I'll put up mini musketeers.....i say two weeks. JMO

kakax

10-03-2008, 12:21 AM

I'm not leaving. I'm sorry I am having a hard time expressing myself tonight. Your posts rock IMO :seeya:

OK good...now go make a candy bar wager LOL!!

OneUp

10-03-2008, 12:22 AM

Waaaaaa, I'm going to whine that you all are leaving because I just got here rofl !!LOL, I'm not leaving...I just returned!
I am suggesting that if another rubs you the wrong way and is distasteful, that it is better to "ignore" than to risk a banning or become ignored by many.
JMO...sorry to be difficult to understand.:)

sammielizabe

10-03-2008, 12:22 AM

I pray so hard that this is a good tip. I pray that they find Caylee! I can't imagine trying to go through all the bad tips to get to the one that might bring her home.

LOL @ JB. I don't think i would hire him if my dog bit my neighbor. Seriously what is he thinking?! jmo

:shrug:

Sorry, too tired to read through all of the posts. Thank you..

kakax

10-03-2008, 12:22 AM

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I'll put up mini musketeers.....i say two weeks. JMO

OK we have Dixie mini musketeer within 2 weeks
Me mini snickers for the next three days

Can you tell I bought Halloween candy today? LOL!

joshgabe1

10-03-2008, 12:23 AM

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the lady at Amscott see Caseys car
parked next to the dumpster at approximately 8 am on June 27th?

Then Tony picked Casey up from Amscott sometime after noon that same day.

Casey was standing in the parking lot carrying bags of frozen food. She couldn't have been standing in the Florida heat for very long with frozen food.

Horrible thought, but I hope someone checked Cindy's freezer!

kakax

10-03-2008, 12:24 AM

LOL, I'm not leaving...I just returned!
I am suggesting that if another rubs you the wrong way and is distasteful, that it is better to "ignore" than to risk a banning or become ignored by many.
JMO...sorry to be difficult to understand.:)

My mind is spinning so it isn't your post lol...I misread it.

I ignore alot!! And I love it!

Now where is your candy wager.

summer4meplz

10-03-2008, 12:24 AM

Oh no, don't bring Sammie up again ! (sammie was the dog in the grund family and went to heaven.)

Samantha is the imaginary Zenaida's imaginary sister.

Samantha is a friend of Anne's....casey's ex best friend...FWIW

dixie77

10-03-2008, 12:25 AM

OK we have Dixie mini musketeer within 2 weeks
Me mini snickers for the next three days

Can you tell I bought Halloween candy today? LOL!

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Yep....me, too. Bags and bags. lol

aubrey04

10-03-2008, 12:26 AM

With all respect, then Cindy is a moron, usually when covering up someone dead, you dont call and emphasize that a car smells like a dead body and your grandchild is missing, unless you think she wanted the truth to come out because she cant stand covering for her murderous daughter? moo

At that point - I don't think Cindy knew Caylee was dead. She didn't have time to process it. When she did have time to figure it out -- she realized it was too late for Caylee and she had to start working to save Casey from going to prison for life.

Those 911 were filled with REAL emotion. NG replayed them last night and it about tore my heart out listening to Cindy.. and I got sucked into feeling sorry for her again. It is painful to listen to her pleading - it is very obvious she had no clue what was going on.

All her behavior after the 911 call indicates she is covering for Casey - which is wrong and despicable.

JMO.

kakax

10-03-2008, 12:29 AM

I will agree with you. But could you pls explain the significance of naming her as an official suspect. I really dont understand how or why that changes anything. No one really needed LE to state that to confirm their beliefs did they? Or is it a necessary legal step in charging her?

I'm not a lawyer so I don't know if it is a legal step. Once she is charged, her status does become suspect. I was thinking it was just one more way to put pressure on her. They are indirectly trying to tell her they are on to her, they have more evidence than she thinks and if she wants any leniency, it better come sooner rather than later. JMO. And I'm probably wrong lol!!!

My guess is based on the article that said two weeks, Wednesday a week ago. I don't think they will take that long. Just a gut feeling.

OneUp

10-03-2008, 12:29 AM

My mind is spinning so it isn't your post lol...I misread it.

I ignore alot!! And I love it!

Now where is your candy wager.
Uhn Uh! No way! The best I can do is to say I expect it before the neglect charges go to court. I think LE will wait until then in hopes of the remains turning up...maybe with some hope Csey will wise up and deal ( I hope they aren't holding their breathe collectively!). There isn't a time limit on murder charges, but charging the neglect AND then the homicide gets messy...I think the DA would want to avoid that. I do not think proving Caylee deceased is a problem, I do think some of the finer points of the case are problematic w/o a witness or definitive physical evidence of means and Casey having the only access to Caylee at that time...maybe they already have some of that though?
JMO.

bchand

10-03-2008, 12:29 AM

Sorry, too tired to read through all of the posts. Thank you..

A driver told investigators she saw a car like Casey's white Pontiac Sunfire parked in the median days after Caylee disappeared and she saw someone slight of build wearing a baseball cap and what looked like athletic wear walk out of the woods, someone she believes could have been Casey. It was odd to her because it's not a popular spot for joggers.

Two New Areas Searched

http://www.wftv.com/news/17610344/detail.html

bchand

10-03-2008, 12:31 AM

Samantha is a friend of Anne's....casey's ex best friend...FWIW

So 3 Sams in the story.

summer4meplz

10-03-2008, 12:31 AM

OK good...now go make a candy bar wager LOL!!

snicker for tomorrow

rj1212

10-03-2008, 12:32 AM

At that point - I don't think Cindy knew Caylee was dead. She didn't have time to process it. When she did have time to figure it out -- she realized it was too late for Caylee and she had to start working to save Casey from going to prison for life.

Those 911 were filled with REAL emotion. NG replayed them last night and it about tore my heart out listening to Cindy.. and I got sucked into feeling sorry for her again. It is painful to listen to her pleading - it is very obvious she had no clue what was going on.

All her behavior after the 911 call indicates she is covering for Casey - which is wrong and despicable.

JMO.

IMO any sane grandparent would've quickly been overcome with suspicion and fear if the lying, conniving daughter who argued and left on bad terms hadn't let you see Caylee in over a month; then suddenly you're smelling a decomposing body in the trunk...without ANY sign of Caylee Anthony...and yet no REAL ANSWERS FROM YOUR DAUGHTER as to what's going on! Like I said...any sane grandparent...

summer4meplz

10-03-2008, 12:32 AM

So 3 Sams in the story.

well...not exactly....
sammie the dog is dead
sammie the nanny's sister is not real

;)

5boxersmom

10-03-2008, 12:32 AM

So 3 Sams in the story.

Oh gosh.hammer I can't keep everyone straight now.

bchand

10-03-2008, 12:33 AM

well...not exactly....
sammie the dog is dead
sammie the nanny's sister is not real

;)

Got me there summer :lol:

summer4meplz

10-03-2008, 12:35 AM

steffaroob4

10-03-2008, 12:37 AM

Would anyone like to make a wager in mini candy bars about when she will be arrested?

I'll throw in a mini snickers for my guess of within the next 3 days.

I say we are in for a document dump tomorrow and an arrest, I think there is a window LE is using. Let's say they have decided on a 4 month window to find the body for it to be any use. That takes us till mid Oct., so at that time they will decide if they should wait and go full tilt on the neglect case only, which I believe they will. Or arrest and do both, which I am not sure about. I think they should do a three step process, neglect, fraud/theft charges, then murder charges. I believe that if they work the two smaller cases it will open up more information and put pressure on her to reveal Caylee's location. They find her guilty of the first two, she may see the writing on the wall and bring Caylee home.

Pruddennce

10-03-2008, 12:37 AM

I think you are missing the point, taken in context given what we know about them; that the Grund family was deeply invested in that child because they loved her would mean that they would have been involved enough unlike Cindy to have known that something fishy was going on in the first place or that maybe Casey would have never been in the situation of needing to find a babysitter. The point was not necessarily that they would have been full time baby sitters in my opinion. In the end that post indeed put the blame on casey though, and that was by far the biggest point of all.

I have a problem debating 'hindsight'. it really isnt productive. especially when we are dealing with a mother who 'used up' every resource handed to her.

its the old "I wish this or that'....we have all felt that way in our lives in any given situation that we 'wished' we could have done something different.

I hear what you are saying that perhaps another 'set of eyes' on the likes of Casey's behaviour might have prevented this tragedy.

the only people that could have taken action if they had a crystal ball to predict this or had the GUTS to realize there was a serious problem with their daughter's role as a mother (primary caregiver), are the anthonys.

they took on the role of secondary caregivers. did they think their grandchild would suddenly disappear? not for a minute. but, did they believe she was at risk for something?....that's debatable.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

nana6

10-03-2008, 12:37 AM

I was just thinking,tonight we spoke here about the fact that some people believe that Casey is stunted in her personality and emotional age. I am not sure. It seems to me, if she were emotionally younger than her real age, say that of a 12 or 16 year old, that she would have broken down during her interrogations with LE.. Nothing made this girl crack at all. Nothing. She is dumb like a fox. Now, maybe Cindy was tough on her even verbally abusive at times, and I am not even sure of that, but I tell you what I am going to be 60 next month and if I were interogated by the po po I would be shaking and screaming the truth from the rafters. Of course Casey does not know how to tell the truth I guess.

bchand

10-03-2008, 12:39 AM

It does change things, according to Nancy Grace tonite. Wish I could remember what. :o

Last night's show had this explanation:

ALAN RIPKA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, a person of interest is someone that the police are just thinking about, obviously, someone that they think could be involved. They have no evidence to tie that person into the crime. A suspect is someone that the police have some sort of evidence or a greater belief that they are involved in this crime or committed this crime. And they`re taking a giant step forward to call her a suspect.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/01/ng.01.html

OneUp

10-03-2008, 12:39 AM

Can I add my understanding of the difference? a POI is just suspected of being involved in a crime with no evidence

a suspect is a POI with evidence....iirc...

i'm not a lawyerIMO, the significance in this case is that usintg the word "suspect" leaves no room for word games for the Anthony's or for anyone wishing to point blame away from Casey.
As to what the difference is generally...APOI has some sig. involvement in the case, but is not necessarily involved in the criminal act...a suspect is tied to the crime by evidence ( and therefore believed to be involved).
JMO.

Pruddennce

10-03-2008, 12:42 AM

Hi Pru...nice to "see" ya!:seeya:
Doesn't it make you wonder if Cindy and George kept Caylee quite a bit in the evenings...and if the sitter(Lauren...who sat for free to help Casey out) or the Grunds had her days until the "falling out" did Casey EVER spend any significant time with Caylee?
If anything would cause a problem "bonding" it would certainly be Casey's own refusal to care for her infant in the first year of her life...I personally think bonding is a word beyond Casey's comprehension.
IMO, Casey rejected the concept of Caylee even before birth, and spent the short span of her life trying to continue to deny Caylee's right to a mother child relationship of substance....dressing up a cute doll and parading ehr around does not a mother make. Just ask any mother for support of that fact.
Sadly, Casey has now continued in an attempt to ignore Caylee out of existance...and attempt her family seems hellbent in assisting her with.
JMO.

pleasure to see you as well OneUp.

no, I dont believe Casey spent any significant time with Caylee.

Casey has a mother who reminded her of her mistake every moment she lived in the home with them...IMO.....tug o war. Love/hate relationship with each other, which IMO spilled over to Caylee taking the brunt of Casey's angst with her own mother.

its an endless cycle, IMO. and Casey finally did something about it.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

summer4meplz

10-03-2008, 12:43 AM

[QUOTE=steffaroob4;12223583]I say we are in for a document dump tomorrow and an arrest, I think there is a window LE is using. Let's say they have decided on a 4 month window to find the body for it to be any use. That takes us till mid Oct., so at that time they will decide if they should wait and go full tilt on the neglect case only, which I believe they will. Or arrest and do both, which I am not sure about. I think they should do a three step process, neglect, fraud/theft charges, then murder charges. I believe that if they work the two smaller cases it will open up more information and put pressure on her to reveal Caylee's location. They find her guilty of the first two, she may see the writing on the wall and bring Caylee home.[/QUOTE

I vote you researcher of the month and agree with just about everything you have ever said....but I don't think casey will ever ever ever say what happened to Caylee.....imo....

nana6

10-03-2008, 12:43 AM

good night friends Let's pray that our angel is brought home tomorrow and her mother is :rose:put in jail.

msjoni

10-03-2008, 12:44 AM

Pruddennce

10-03-2008, 12:45 AM

OK we have Dixie mini musketeer within 2 weeks
Me mini snickers for the next three days

Can you tell I bought Halloween candy today? LOL!

junior mints. :D

I say monday. one more weekend.

best regards,
Pru

bluwaters

10-03-2008, 12:46 AM

Nancy Grace, Oct. 2

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxC6f2ypm8k

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EPAS2HKSaY

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7cYB0Dm4BI

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMhtwsNTAWs

5boxersmom

10-03-2008, 12:46 AM

pleasure to see you as well OneUp.

no, I dont believe Casey spent any significant time with Caylee.

Casey has a mother who reminded her of her mistake every moment she lived in the home with them...IMO.....tug o war. Love/hate relationship with each other, which IMO spilled over to Caylee taking the brunt of Casey's angst with her own mother.

its an endless cycle, IMO. and Casey finally did something about it.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

ITA. Why do think Casey never tried to get out of that house and make a life for herself?

rj1212

10-03-2008, 12:49 AM

I'm very happy to hear this because this case is not anywhere close to reaching its final disposition. To conclude any of the players(except Casey) is either guilty or innocent, with all certainty is a bit premature.

imo, of course.

The grandparents (some of the "players") are guilty of lying...and that's not my opinion...it's public record...with all due respect.

bchand

10-03-2008, 12:49 AM

They were saying that when someone is elevated to the level of "suspect", that it invokes more constitutional protections. I'm not sure that is a correct theory though.

Nancy said a suspect invokes constitutional priviledges where a person of interest does not.

Her guest did not necessarily agree with her however.

A person of interest can also invoke their right to remain silent according to another lawyer there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7cYB0Dm4BI

Conversation starts around 4:45 of the movie.

OneUp

10-03-2008, 12:50 AM

I love you and your posts. I refuse t bet on chocloate or peanut butter. lol :biggrin:
I'm not betting either...I'm a Chocolate Snob and things could get out of hand if I cut in!...I'd toss in four Godiva's, and raise you a Delfee...all dark, of course!
I'd be really sad to lose my chocolates though, so no bet for me!:D
I think less than a week before the neglect charge goes forth, that Negligent Homicide charges are brought ( barring evidence unknown to the public at this time).
JMO.

aubrey04

10-03-2008, 12:51 AM

I will agree with you. But could you pls explain the significance of naming her as an official suspect. I really dont understand how or why that changes anything. No one really needed LE to state that to confirm their beliefs did they? Or is it a necessary legal step in charging her?

This was discussed on NG tonight but I only half way paid attention to that part.. NG unleashed her lawyers and they didn't seem to think there was much of a difference between a POI title and a "suspect" title.. but NG did.

I just looked for the transcript of tonights show and it's not out yet.

IIRC, Nancy said it upped the ante a little.. and that a "suspect" would have more rights as far as questioning by LE than a POI.. but that really didn't effect Casey since she's already lawyered up and zipped it. Something like that?! Maybe someone here reminds what was said better than I do.

IMO

Pruddennce

10-03-2008, 12:51 AM

A driver told investigators she saw a car like Casey's white Pontiac Sunfire parked in the median days after Caylee disappeared and she saw someone slight of build wearing a baseball cap and what looked like athletic wear walk out of the woods, someone she believes could have been Casey. It was odd to her because it's not a popular spot for joggers.

Two New Areas Searched

http://www.wftv.com/news/17610344/detail.html

"It does her no good to show her cards to give the prosecution any advantage they have to put her away for life," Jose Baez said.

:eek:

when is he recusing himself from the case?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

velvetbrown

10-03-2008, 12:52 AM

OK we have Dixie mini musketeer within 2 weeks
Me mini snickers for the next three days

Can you tell I bought Halloween candy today? LOL!

Mmmm, Snickers...ok, I'll bet 9 days, KitKat bars...

dixie77

10-03-2008, 12:53 AM

I think by naming Casey the only suspect, publically, law enforcement & the DA are making it very clear that an indictment for murder is coming soon.

As to kakax's bet... Casey will be indicted for murder within the next two weeks.

Four full size 3 Musketeers®. :)

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Hi Shark. I said two weeks and kakax said three days. lets get this straight. lol (teasing ya)

bchand

10-03-2008, 12:53 AM

junior mints. :D

I say monday. one more weekend.

best regards,
Pru

This time of year, I have to say Reese's peanut butter cups. Unfortunately there are still 5 weeks before any court action is due, so my guess will be Oct. 20th.

aubrey04

10-03-2008, 12:57 AM

IMO any sane grandparent would've quickly been overcome with suspicion and fear if the lying, conniving daughter who argued and left on bad terms hadn't let you see Caylee in over a month; then suddenly you're smelling a decomposing body in the trunk...without ANY sign of Caylee Anthony...and yet no REAL ANSWERS FROM YOUR DAUGHTER as to what's going on! Like I said...any sane grandparent...

True but we are talking about the Anthony's.. and they don't seem very "sane" to me. JMO.. I do think that Cindy STRONGLY suspected that something terrible happened when she was talking to the 911 operator. That 911 tape is the only evidence I have seen of her seeming truthful.

She is a HORRIBLE liar, IMO...and those tapes sounded genuine to me. Casey lies with ease but Cindy doesn't. There is hesitation in her voice and zero conviction to her words when she's lying.. This is just my personal observation and opinion though.

Like I said, once she collected her thoughts and realized there was absolutely ZERO hope that Caylee was still alive -- I think Cindy went into save-Casey-mode.

jmo

dixie77

10-03-2008, 12:58 AM

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Hi Shark. I said two weeks and kakax said three days. lets get this straight. lol (teasing ya)

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Sorry Shark.......i mis-read your post. silly me lol

rj1212

10-03-2008, 01:00 AM

The grandparents have not been charged with any crime. Also.. it is well known that the police lie as an investigative tool. Lying is lying, imo.

Right...and I certainly didn't imply that the grandparents had been charged with any crime...yet...

So lemme get the straight...while some police may lie as investigative tool, why would GRANDPARENTS lie concerning information pertinent to finding their grandaughter? Why would that be ethically or morally permissible, just because some cops lie as an "investigative tool"? :shrug:

Pruddennce

10-03-2008, 01:01 AM

I have a huge problem with Amy's texts and why so many are blacked out. I have a huge problem with it.
I also have a huge problem about the particular txt when she talks about the odor in the car and two guys' having to ignore it....Like it was a joke or something.
Was Amy involved in any way with casey? There were some of the txts that I thought were provacative, from both.
The quest for "boys" men, anyone, trolling. Just us girls, finally. I hate boys, boys suck. Etc etc.
I hope Amy has a good alibi and timeline for where she was exactly.
respectfully snipped...

IMO, these young adults were hesitant to say they owned a lighter, for goodness sake. some went to school, some worked and went to school, some just worked and they all partied.

amy and casey were not life long friends...they hardly knew each other. fast friendship that ended with a missing child and major theft. she cleaned her out....that's pretty scary stuff thinking she would be able to lie out of that?

that's what the world at large is up against when dealing with Casey A....the jaw drops if one has never encountered that persona....well, it still drops even when you recognize the deficiency....

Im more interested in Kristine Chester's interview. surely they interviewed her.

best regards,
Pru

Pruddennce

10-03-2008, 01:05 AM

This time of year, I have to say Reese's peanut butter cups. Unfortunately there are still 5 weeks before any court action is due, so my guess will be Oct. 20th.

oh you would have to go and use mathematical logic.....darn......I wish I had thought of that....I agree with you! can I change my wager? :D

best regards,
Pru

aubrey04

10-03-2008, 01:05 AM

I will not back down.

This board is to express ones opinion and that is what I intend on doing.

I want answers about Caylee.

I want answers about a lot of things.

Witchy, don't back down- dear. Differing opinions and ideas are always welcome in my eyes. And that make the board interesting.. Sometimes a poster says something that sends the wheels in my brain turning and I figure something out.. Sometimes I disagree and just scroll on by.

Regardless keep on postin'!

Pruddennce

10-03-2008, 01:07 AM

ITA. Why do think Casey never tried to get out of that house and make a life for herself?

because she is a parasite. (part of being a psychopath)

IMO of course.

best regards,
Pru

GrannyB

10-03-2008, 01:08 AM

The grandparents (some of the "players") are guilty of lying...and that's not my opinion...it's public record...with all due respect.

Lying, washing items from the car,lying, cleaning out the car, lying.
I'm sure there's more but you get the point. All the Anthony's are guilty of something in this. LE is just sorting out who is guilty of what.

rj1212

10-03-2008, 01:09 AM

True but we are talking about the Anthony's.. and they don't seem very "sane" to me. JMO.. I do think that Cindy STRONGLY suspected that something terrible happened when she was talking to the 911 operator. That 911 tape is the only evidence I have seen of her seeming truthful.

She is a HORRIBLE liar, IMO...and those tapes sounded genuine to me. Casey lies with ease but Cindy doesn't. There is hesitation in her voice and zero conviction to her words when she's lying.. This is just my personal observation and opinion though.

Like I said, once she collected her thoughts and realized there was absolutely ZERO hope that Caylee was still alive -- I think Cindy went into save-Casey-mode.

jmo

ITA, and I've heard the phrase "save Casey mode" quite a bit since July on this board...and I can see that happening, but I've become a lot less "open-minded" concerning the Anthony's over the past several weeks as I'm sure many others have as well. "Save Casey mode" is still glorified lying and I believe it will eventually result in more arrests besides Casey in the coming future. Lying under oath won't be winked at either...:no:

5boxersmom

10-03-2008, 01:10 AM

Hi 5 ...
She wanted nothing to do with the responsibilities that go along with being a working mother.
It wasn't about her if she assumed those.

:seeya:

You are probably right.

I am going to say Oct. 31st. Halloween. Isn't that fitting?

I bet 5 Butterfingers.

jmo

GrannyB

10-03-2008, 01:11 AM

dixie77

10-03-2008, 01:11 AM

Lying, washing items from the car,lying, cleaning out the car, lying.
I'm sure there's more but you get the point. All the Anthony's are guilty of something in this. LE is just sorting out who is guilty of what.

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I totally agree with u, GrannyB.

rj1212

10-03-2008, 01:12 AM

I never spoke about morals or ethics. It is not my position to judge on those issues. The point I was attempting to make is that the grandparents have NOT been implicated in any crime. If you feel you are somehow in a position to judge their morals..etc, then so be it.

I appreciate your thoughts! :seeya:

Yeah...I'm going to judge the ethical and moral decisions of the grandparents! :D Absolutely...based on their actions...
There's plenty of info out there...:read:

rj1212

10-03-2008, 01:13 AM

5boxersmom

10-03-2008, 01:13 AM

because she is a parasite. (part of being a psychopath)

IMO of course.

best regards,
Pru

Yep, and if they try to use a controlling mother as a defense won't the jury wonder the same thing? Why didn't she just move out? Not looking good for Casey.

jmo

bchand

10-03-2008, 01:14 AM

ITA, and I've heard the phrase "save Casey mode" quite a bit since July on this board...and I can see that happening, but I've become a lot less "open-minded" concerning the Anthony's over the past several weeks as I'm sure many others have as well. "Save Casey mode" is still glorified lying and I believe it will eventually result in more arrests besides Casey in the coming future. Lying under oath won't be winked at either...:no:

The Anthonys HAVE to wonder why the public at large dislikes them so much. They HAVE to.

Wouldn't you think that would make them sit and think and maybe change their tactics?

My personal satisfaction will come the day Casey is arrested for murder and every tv station walks away from the Anthony Family and shows no interest in talking to them about anything! I'm sick of them all.

dixie77

10-03-2008, 01:14 AM

With the vagueness of my 'within two weeks'... if kakax wins I do too. :)

==========

Wrong........u and i win. rotfl

bchand

10-03-2008, 01:16 AM

:seeya:

You are probably right.

I am going to say Oct. 31st. Halloween. Isn't that fitting?

I bet 5 Butterfingers.

jmo

Anyone doing an excel chart of all these guesses (with prizes)?

OneUp

10-03-2008, 01:22 AM

The Anthonys HAVE to wonder why the public at large dislikes them so much. The HAVE to.

Wouldn't you think that would make them sit and think and maybe change their tactics?

My personal satisfaction will come the day Casey is arrested for murder and every tv station walks away from the Anthony Family and shows no interest in talking to them about anything! I'm sick of them all.Actually, I think the Anthony's are doing what they have seemingly always done. They are trying to isolate themselves from the :outside" and insulate themselves with like minded individuals...one example being the rejection of all "non-suppportive posts" from the Facebook and MySpace pages....another being the edict that anyone not supporting Casey is not welcome at the vigils. I think Cindy made it clear early on that when the media was not 100% supportive, that they became the enemy.
In Cindy and Casey's minds, most people are represented by the few that support them...the protesters and Media are just abberrant individuals. I really think they are invested in believing that to be true. If you asked them to guess what % of people support their views, I guarantee the answer would be around 3/4 or 2/3....those who don't would be written off as "Haters" or having been poisoned by LE's "persecution" of Casey and the media Leeches.
JMO.

velvetbrown

10-03-2008, 01:23 AM

5boxersmom

10-03-2008, 01:23 AM

I know you arn't asking me but I have one observation. She was looking for a guy for a meal ticket. She was using everyone she knew, as meal ticket.
She did not support herself, she could not support herself. Most likely she will end up never supporting herself, the tax payers will take that hit for her three daily meals and a thin mattress.
I think the only honest thing Casey has ever said was in that Intv where she stated she had been very selfish for many years. That I believe.
I've seen that.
She was planning, always planning. Was she planning on killing her parents? Who, would go to those lengths telling someone they could move into their parents home, UNLESS what Casey said about her mothers marriage, and them splitting up and getting other housing, was partly truth. I think it was. I still think that it needs to be uncovered why CA hated her father, so much. And why, Did cindy abuse her the way she did? Why did she take her child? Why did they BOTH allow Casey's behavior?
Believe me crap like that is nothing you can ignore when someone is living in your own home. Ignore it and terrible things happen. Like this.
Why did these parents, think it was more important to preserve Casey's virginity, than acknowledge her pregnancy? There are deep seated issues here. Who was paying for Casey's birth control anyway?
The State?

Dots

Hi ya Dots.

I see what your are saying. How could they live with her and not know it? Do you mean Casey's BC now? Well, if she had a miscarraige it doesn't sound like it was very reliable birth control. jmo

Do you think the stamp on her hand was from some place like Chuck E Cheese or really a club stamp?

jmo

Pruddennce

10-03-2008, 01:25 AM

It's not even a matter of judgment, it's a matter of facts. The facts are that the Anthonys are lying to cover up Casey's crimes. The facts are that Cindy Anthony is implicating innocent people in Casey's crimes.

Cindy Anthony certainly did accuse. ok, some would like to refer to it as 'her opinion'.

she had an axe to grind with J Grunde, she never liked him (and I so enjoyed her explanation as to his OPINIATED persona)...unlike ahem.....Cindy A et al...she says "we all respect each other's opinions'...

Amy: ok for Cindy A to unload historical personal information to Amy that was derrogatory in nature about Casey, telling her about her thefts involving family members....and Amy decides to press charges...

WHO WOULDNT? a young person with minimal money in the bank, gets it wiped out is going to let that go?

my money is on Cindy A offering to pay back Casey's debt. and she refused the offer.

hence, Cindy A attempts to implicate Amy.

one person she didnt like
one person she didnt even know and she couldnt CONTROL

likely candidates to offer up.....without an foundation of course, but she does it anyway.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

tiny paw-prints

10-03-2008, 01:27 AM

junior mints. :D

I say monday. one more weekend.

best regards,
Pru

http://www.juniormints.com/ <-- Here's your order

Ditto -- 1 more wknd. Monday! Pru, you read my mind!

dark chocolate Milky Way :D

5boxersmom

10-03-2008, 01:27 AM

Actually, I think the Anthony's are doing what they have seemingly always done. They are trying to isolate themselves from the :outside" and insulate themselves with like minded individuals...one example being the rejection of all "non-suppportive posts" from the Facebook and MySpace pages....another being the edict that anyone not supporting Casey is not welcome at the vigils. I think Cindy made it clear early on that when the media was not 100% supportive, that they became the enemy.
In Cindy and Casey's minds, most people are represented by the few that support them...the protesters and Media are just abberrant individuals. I really think they are invested in believing that to be true. If you asked them to guess what % of people support their views, I guarantee the answer would be around 3/4 or 2/3....those who don't would be written off as "Haters" or having been poisoned by LE's "persecution" of Casey and the media Leeches.
JMO.

Yep. Them against the world. Sounds like extended family wasn't much in their lives. Then on the stand G or C said they always told Lee and Casey when we are gone you will only have each other. What about their spouses, children or wait, What about Caylee. :confused:

jmo

rj1212

10-03-2008, 01:28 AM

It's not even a matter of judgment, it's a matter of facts. The facts are that the Anthonys are lying to cover up Casey's crimes. The facts are that Cindy Anthony is implicating innocent people in Casey's crimes.

Very true SayWhat...I suppose you could say that I'm making a judgement based on facts...something that virtually everyone does, whether they'll admit it or not, because even if one refuses to listen to the facts, they're still making a decision...even if it's to willfully ignore the facts.

Rayosunshine

10-03-2008, 01:28 AM

Just reading around a bit this evening and came upon a myspace friend of anne downing named samantha....myspace name is samidizzle.....didn't we run the name sammie around the room the other night....?

Nice find summer. At one time, I can't recall where, didn't Casey have a funny "izzle" or something attached to her name? Could be senility is getting me.

dixie77

10-03-2008, 01:30 AM

It's not even a matter of judgment, it's a matter of facts. The facts are that the Anthonys are lying to cover up Casey's crimes. The facts are that Cindy Anthony is implicating innocent people in Casey's crimes.

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I agree and i think its horrible that she would bring innocent people into this. Its too bad that Cindy doesnt have a daughter that she can call a "good girl". She wants to bring Casey's friends down to the level of her own daughter. Its not gonna work. I think Cindy and George lying and covering for Casey is not gonna go un-answered when this is all said and done. And i have to add this........i still think it was a negligent accident as to what happened to Caylee and i think its the only reason C & G r lying and covering for Casey. But if i'm wrong in thinking it was an accident, then i am inclined to think that Casey made C & G believe it was an accident.......thus the cover-up. JMO

Pruddennce

10-03-2008, 01:30 AM

http://www.juniormints.com/ <-- Here's your order

Ditto -- 1 more wknd. Monday! Pru, you read my mind!

dark chocolate Milky Way :D

thank you tiny! lol I changed my wager, going the way of logic a few posts back.....but my first instinct is monday. a few more showers and web surfing, then an arrest.

ya never know.....

best regards,
Pru

kakax

10-03-2008, 01:31 AM

I can't do candy bars, can you do a good fruit tray?

Of course lol!!

Rayosunshine

10-03-2008, 01:31 AM

Oh no, don't bring Sammie up again ! (sammie was the dog in the grund family and went to heaven.)

Samantha is the imaginary Zenaida's imaginary sister.

Nothing wrong with the find.

kakax

10-03-2008, 01:32 AM

I'll go out on a limb here and bet a roll of those dental care stickers some halloween humbug gives my kids every year instead of candy, 1 week. :biggrin:

LOLOLOL! How about Unicef boxes full to Unicef LOL!

Pruddennce

10-03-2008, 01:32 AM

And what might you get if you're raised by someone with no moral compass, like a Cindy Anthony? Why ... you might get a Casey Anthony.

no moral compass.

say no more.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

rj1212

10-03-2008, 01:33 AM

I appreciate your honesty. It's nice to see that people can separate themselves and understand that the grandparents have had so much to do with the hinderance of this investigation. I would love to hear you opinions on their moral and ethical decisions when you conclude your investigation. It should be very enlightening. If you need to post a pdf file let me know and I'll give you some hints. :rolleyes:

:) Really though...even putting the sarcasm aside, if the grandparents would've told the truth instead of misleading the cops and the public, then there'd be no need to post a pdf file...ya think???:confused:

kakax

10-03-2008, 01:33 AM

A murderer is still a murderer before she's been charged and convicted. Legalities don't obliterate realities.

Quote of the week!!! Love you Say!!

OneUp

10-03-2008, 01:34 AM

Slightly OT: I just bought 'The Sociopath Next Door' by Martha Stout PhD. She states that "1 in 25 ordinary Americans secretly has no conscience and can do anything at all without feeling guilty" Very creepy. I highly recommend it. Casey is obviously one. Who do YOU know?
I started reading it on recommendation from a poster here..and I was thinking of how many sociopaths I suspect post here for giggles...YKWIM?
(BTW, I haven't gotten far. Every time I have the quiet to read and I'm not typing, I fall asleep! It seems a good read...but nothing I didn't go over way back in Criminal Psych....maybe the best bits are further in though?)
JMO.

Rayosunshine

10-03-2008, 01:34 AM

Discovered something about PR tonight while surfing around the net.

If anyone interested, I'll PM.

Rayosunshine

10-03-2008, 01:36 AM

Sorry, too tired to read through all of the posts. Thank you..

OMG, there's Sammie!

5boxersmom

10-03-2008, 01:37 AM

I must disagree.

I do agree Cindy implicated Amy because Amy decided to press charges.

But there is no way Cindy offered to pay Casey's debt to Amy.

Cindy stole money out of her own daughter's wallet while the police were literally feet away from her.

Didn't Lee say they dumped her purse and the money was in the wallet? So I guess that was a lie when Cindy said her purse was left in the car. :shrug:

jmo

kakax

10-03-2008, 01:38 AM

:lol: Ever get the feeling some people just don't know how to *live*?
:beer:

I get that feeling alot....seems they are all around me!!!:D

bchand

10-03-2008, 01:39 AM

Actually, I think the Anthony's are doing what they have seemingly always done. They are trying to isolate themselves from the :outside" and insulate themselves with like minded individuals...one example being the rejection of all "non-suppportive posts" from the Facebook and MySpace pages....another being the edict that anyone not supporting Casey is not welcome at the vigils. I think Cindy made it clear early on that when the media was not 100% supportive, that they became the enemy.
In Cindy and Casey's minds, most people are represented by the few that support them...the protesters and Media are just abberrant individuals. I really think they are invested in believing that to be true. If you asked them to guess what % of people support their views, I guarantee the answer would be around 3/4 or 2/3....those who don't would be written off as "Haters" or having been poisoned by LE's "persecution" of Casey and the media Leeches.
JMO.

You're (what's another word for absolutely) correct. Remember how welcome Lenny was until he started talking about Casey's lying. He got thrown out then.

As I said earlier today, the Anthony's lawyer has just picked up on that theme. The protesters are miscreants. I looked up the word and saw a picture of the Anthonys. IMO