Thursday, 10/2/08 - Day 108

[n/t]

Morning all

From reading last night's thread, Casey is now being called the official suspect.

Hope she's arrested soon.

[n/t]

Link for those who missed it.

Casey Anthony officially a suspect

http://www.wesh.com/news/17600620/detail.html

[spacemonkey]

Good morning everyone. I don't post much here,but do a lot of reading or lurking if you will. Maybe this has been answered and I happened to have missed it~have any of Casey's friends visited her at all?

Caylee:rose:

[enigma]

Good morning everyone. I don't post much here,but do a lot of reading or lurking if you will. Maybe this has been answered and I happened to have missed it~have any of Casey's friends visited her at all?

Caylee:rose:

Good morning! :seeya:

Assuming she has any of her old friends left, I haven't seen/read anything about any of them visiting her. I think it would soon have been in the news or on the grapevine. Visiting her would constitute an open show of support, which I think is in very short supply after all the lies and everything else that's come out.

They might be blogging/messaging, though... again assuming they're still "there".

JMHO...

[martha]

I so want today to be the day caylee is found. most of all I hope today is the day casey is put back in jail. If caylee is alive then she can get out of jail if she has not done anything to caylee. jmho:rose:

[Regina.Lampert]

Morning!! Ex-fiance of casey anthony will be on The Today Show this morning. I guess it's Jesse Grund, but the young man they showed didn't look like him, only saw him for a second tho. Anywho, if anyone wants to watch.....

Is the board acting weird still, when I type a post it is very halting................:shrug:

[spageddy]

Good morning to you all!
No work today, so I can maybe catch up with all the reports & posts. Of course not much will happen today because accoring to Spaggedy's razor-all big turning points in criminal cases happen when I have no access to a computer.:shrug:
I would love to have that proven wrong this time. Sadly. I think LE is gonna have to go without a body. After all this time, I think the chances of finding Caylees body are not good at all. And from what I'm hearing- even if it was found- it may not tell much other than the fact that she is dead. Still- it would be nice to have a miracle (They DO Happen ya' know) if for no other reason than to put Caylee to rest.
So I'll keep on hoping & praying for the very best outcome- and know that most of you are doing the same.

[WinnieLeigh7]

My feelings towards ZG are probably slanted in the respect that I am thinking of the end results. She now can try to go forth with her suit in a Civil proceeding and get the players, like the Anthonys, in sworn depos locked into a story and cross examined. Maybe even before a possible murder trial. On another show Prime News (I believe) her attorney stated they will be going after innocence or guilt. I want to see this happen.

Also I do not want the Anthonys to make a dime off of this fiasco they have helped create. There are reports they are shopping around there story,....photos, videos, etc.... and maybe this will stop them in there tracks!! If they think any monies made could be taken from them, then maybe they will give up that effort and just go back to work. It is not like they are putting any effort into finding Caylee. I also want to see that happen and to find out if and how much they may have already brought in. It sounds like ZG`s attorney is well equipped to do just that.

I wish Jesse would sue for much of the same reasons plus I really think he will always be connected with this nightmare even more so than ZG. Cindy`s MO is to name and blame innocent people to try to take the blame off her daughter. Even LE has came out and said that now. If that is how she wants to spend her time instead of dealing with facts, then maybe a nice juicy lawsuit will prove to her people in glass houses should not throw rocks!

i'm along those same lines...

i don't care if zg is in it for the money....
i don't care if every zg out there sues and gets a judgment...

maybe then, the 'books and movies' at least wont profit the family that has never put caylee first



imo

[Regina.Lampert]

Thanks Regina! I just sat my DVR. That means they may have clips of it on MSNBC with Clint V....not sure how he spells his name but I always like him. He seems as frustrated as we are.

No the board has not been acting any different for me but I notice plenty of others complaining last night.

Must be my cranky computer, typing is very halting. It is Jesse Grund, up next. He looks like he has lost weight.

[shelbar53]

Good morning all. and no my computer is fine. there are some days it takes a long time to refresh.

[desmom]

Must be my cranky computer, typing is very halting. It is Jesse Grund, up next. He looks like he has lost weight.


Good Morning. I don't think it is your cranky computer, but the Nissan ads at the top of the page. While the ad is loading, everything on my computer is in the halting mode. Once loaded, my computer is fine.

The Today Show does not start here for another 1/2 hour. Can you give us an update? TIA

[shelbar53]

they are publicy saying casey is a suspect, but according to the police documents they were refering to her as a suspect months ago. I do think she will be arrested for murder this month sometime.

[bluwaters]

Please light a Candle for Caylee

click any unlit candle to begin

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:

[oldbluesmith]

Morning all, Looks like Jesse Grund experienced the lying and stealing at the end of his relationship with Casey. $250 it is too late (LE time limitations) to charge Casey with. Maybe Casey doesn't lie and/or steal from the "stupid boys" till the end of her relationships with them. JMHO

[Regina.Lampert]

Good Morning. I don't think it is your cranky computer, but the Nissan ads at the top of the page. While the ad is loading, everything on my computer is in the halting mode. Once loaded, my computer is fine.

The Today Show does not start here for another 1/2 hour. Can you give us an update? TIA

Thanks Des, it's very annoying cuz I type fast and this in interfering with that........:mad:

Anywho, Matt basically went over the case with Jesse, asking him about his relationship with casey. Jesse said:

He took a polygraph and passed and will be a witness
He was first attracted to casey because she carried herself well, was smart, sarcastic and fun to be around.

She stole money from him

She text messaged him, telling him she was pregnant. He did the math and didn't really think it was possible, but didn't want to miss out on anything with the baby on the off chance he was the Dad.

He pushed for the paternity test, was disappointed when he learned he wasn't the father.

When Caylee was an infant casey was a very good mother, devoted and Caylee was the center of her universe.

His relationship with her ended when the "transformation" occurred, she began to drink, lie and party. He said that as she got closer to her mother she changed and the bad behavior began. (IMO, this is an attempt to get back at cynthia for her accusing him during her interview by LE.)

[VII]

I don't know if this has been discussed or not since I can't possibly READ all that has been discussed :eek: ....
I was trying to read the text transcripts last night and found them to be totally annoying in that those with AH were time/date stamped but were NOT in order of a conversation. Like there would be an 05/04/08, then the next would be 05/11/05, then back to 05/04 and etc...
When I got to the 3rd document, there were NO time/date stamps, and I'm assuming this is closer to the time of Caylee's disappearance.
Have any of you sleuths been able to rearrange that?

TIA

[Acorn]

Good morning to you all!
No work today, so I can maybe catch up with all the reports & posts. Of course not much will happen today because accoring to Spaggedy's razor-all big turning points in criminal cases happen when I have no access to a computer.:shrug:
I would love to have that proven wrong this time. Sadly. I think LE is gonna have to go without a body. After all this time, I think the chances of finding Caylees body are not good at all. And from what I'm hearing- even if it was found- it may not tell much other than the fact that she is dead. Still- it would be nice to have a miracle (They DO Happen ya' know) if for no other reason than to put Caylee to rest.
So I'll keep on hoping & praying for the very best outcome- and know that most of you are doing the same.

lol Acorn's razor will go into effect this weekend while I make some home improvements!

I think since Tim & TES have been gone, OCSO has been going back over the cell tower information and will have a more detailed course mapped for them.

I think the state will proceed even if Caylee's body is not found.

[Texas48]

i'm along those same lines...

i don't care if zg is in it for the money....
i don't care if every zg out there sues and gets a judgment...

maybe then, the 'books and movies' at least wont profit the family that has never put caylee first



imo Morning Winnie..I don't believe I was suppose to say "good morning"..anyway I did..The thing I am not understanding is this. Zg sues Casey but Casey has no money. The only people that could possibly make money off this case is Cindy and George. ZG is NOT bringing suit against these two. She has NO suit against them. Sooooo what does she expect to get except getting her Good Name back? LE has stated many times over that ZG had nothing to do with this case. Just not understanding. Good to see you posting!:beer:

[ilovemylife]

Good morning everyone. I sure hope this is the day we find out where Caylee is.

Ya know. This morning i've spent the last 2 hrs searching high and low for my outside cat, who is always here like clockwork every morning. I can not find her and have checked everywhere she goes 10x over. I am worried sick about a cat and yet Casey could care less about her own child. :flamemad: It angers me to tears.

[VII]

Morning Winnie..I don't believe I was suppose to say "good morning"..anyway I did..The thing I am not understanding is this. Zg sues Casey but Casey has no money. The only people that could possibly make money off this case is Cindy and George. ZG is NOT bringing suit against these two. She has NO suit against them. Sooooo what does she expect to get except getting her Good Name back? LE has stated many times over that ZG had nothing to do with this case. Just not understanding. Good to see you posting!:beer:

From what I understood watching NG last night is that she doesn't really exPECT to actually get any money and just wants to clear her name given the consequences she has suffered.

[enigma]

My feelings towards ZG are probably slanted in the respect that I am thinking of the end results. She now can try to go forth with her suit in a Civil proceeding and get the players, like the Anthonys, in sworn depos locked into a story and cross examined. Maybe even before a possible murder trial. On another show Prime News (I believe) her attorney stated they will be going after innocence or guilt. I want to see this happen.

Also I do not want the Anthonys to make a dime off of this fiasco they have helped create. There are reports they are shopping around there story,....photos, videos, etc.... and maybe this will stop them in there tracks!! If they think any monies made could be taken from them, then maybe they will give up that effort and just go back to work. It is not like they are putting any effort into finding Caylee. I also want to see that happen and to find out if and how much they may have already brought in. It sounds like ZG`s attorney is well equipped to do just that.

I wish Jesse would sue for much of the same reasons plus I really think he will always be connected with this nightmare even more so than ZG. Cindy`s MO is to name and blame innocent people to try to take the blame off her daughter. Even LE has came out and said that now. If that is how she wants to spend her time instead of dealing with facts, then maybe a nice juicy lawsuit will prove to her people in glass houses should not throw rocks!

ITA! I don't know whether it's true or not, but it's been said that the Anthonys have been offered serious sums for interviews, etc. Even if not true at this point,there's nothing to prevent them for making any book/movie/interview deals in the future, which would be apalling, IMO.

It's so reminiscent of SP!! At least, in that case, Sharon Rocha filed and won a civil suit which will prevent him from profitting from his odious crime.

But who is there to file a civil suit against Casey Anthony case, if the need for such an action arises? The Anthonys? I don't think so... I suppose there's poor little Caylee's father or his family, provided paternity will ever be irrefutably proven. :shrug:

In any case, I think ZFG has every right to sue and be awarded damages for being dragged into this tragic case which has achieved not only a national, but an international profile, all because Casey decided to use Zenaida's name for the nanny she invented and used to pad up her lies.

Some people have said Casey is smart. I beg to differ. She never thought that her lies would come back to bite her in the b-hind. She was busy preening for her latest boyfriend, getting tatoos and manicures, partying and thinking up lies. With all this going on, who has time for a 2-year-old? :flamemad:

Anyway, I've digressed... sorry... :o

Bottom line: IMO ZFG should go for it, as should anyone else with reasonable cause who have suffered unduly because of Casey's lies and desperation to divert attention and suspicion to someone, ANYone, other than herself.

As always, all this is JMHO...

[Texas48]

they are publicy saying casey is a suspect, but according to the police documents they were refering to her as a suspect months ago. I do think she will be arrested for murder this month sometime. ITA shelbar. I believe they have it all planned out. Releasing of the interviews, stating she is now a suspect and finally..an arrest. LE has their ducks in a row at last. jmo

[kitty1182]

Good morning....

Caylee:rose:

[Texas48]

From what I understood watching NG last night is that she doesn't really exPECT to actually get any money and just wants to clear her name given the consequences she has suffered. Yep. That is one thing the attorney brought up...but...for some reason I am not buying into his statement. Quess we will wait and see. Seems like a waste of time for court systems just to get one's good name back. Also ZG attorney is going to have a tough time saying Casey caused ALL her problems she has listed..medical and emplyoment. jmo

[spacemonkey]

Good morning! :seeya:

Assuming she has any of her old friends left, I haven't seen/read anything about any of them visiting her. I think it would soon have been in the news or on the grapevine. Visiting her would constitute an open show of support, which I think is in very short supply after all the lies and everything else that's come out.

They might be blogging/messaging, though... again assuming they're still "there".

JMHO...
My thoughts on this are that the ones she used to hang with are now part of the 80+ witnesses to be called,and have possibly been asked not to have anymore contact with her,OR that "they" don't want to be dragged into this horrible situation. I'm thinking that most of her friends "know" she has done something to Caylee. They are stepping away for her like a pile of steaming ****!

It has to be as bad at home as it is in jail...I simply can't see anykind of peace or kind words floating around under that roof.

Caylee:rose:

[VII]

Yep. That is one thing the attorney brought up...but...for some reason I am not buying into his statement. Quess we will wait and see. Seems like a waste of time for court systems just to get one's good name back. Also ZG attorney is going to have a tough time saying Casey caused ALL her problems she has listed..medical and emplyoment. jmo

Now that I think about it, he may have made that comment in reference to the question about whether or not she was going to testify as a witness on the child neglect charges...
:shrug:

[enigma]

ITA shelbar. I believe they have it all planned out. Releasing of the interviews, stating she is now a suspect and finally..an arrest. LE has their ducks in a row at last. jmo

I think they pretty much had it when they started releasing documents and forensic reports... It's building up, that's for sure. IMO, what they said recently about not having the evidence to charge her with murder is the lull before the storm.

JMHO...

[Kathlb]

Good morning all,
I really have a feeling that charges will be coming down soon. Either the LE has something from when Tim was here (not a body but something of Caylee's they found out there) or they will proceed with what they do have. I'm convinced that they have a ton of proof and evidence that they haven't shared with the public. I'm hoping it happens soon!!! And I wonder why she is allowed to be on the computer all the time. I thought that LP said no computer no phonecalls. But I guess he was wrong on that too. jmho :rolleyes:

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning everyone. I sure hope this is the day we find out where Caylee is.

Ya know. This morning i've spent the last 2 hrs searching high and low for my outside cat, who is always here like clockwork every morning. I can not find her and have checked everywhere she goes 10x over. I am worried sick about a cat and yet Casey could care less about her own child. :flamemad: It angers me to tears.

Aw, hope your furrybaby comes home soon ilove!

[Kathlb]

Good morning everyone. I sure hope this is the day we find out where Caylee is.

Ya know. This morning i've spent the last 2 hrs searching high and low for my outside cat, who is always here like clockwork every morning. I can not find her and have checked everywhere she goes 10x over. I am worried sick about a cat and yet Casey could care less about her own child. :flamemad: It angers me to tears.

Aww, I'm sorry you're worried this morning. If she hasn't been "fixed", she may be out on a date??? Here's hoping that she comes home soon! And you're right about Casey, she couldn't care less it seems. MOO :flamemad:

[ilovemylife]

Thanks guys.

She's fixed and everything, it's just so unlike her.


:beer: Here's to Casey officially being called a suspect and hopefully facing charges on it really soon!

[desmom]

Thanks Des, it's very annoying cuz I type fast and this in interfering with that........:mad:

Anywho, Matt basically went over the case with Jesse, asking him about his relationship with casey. Jesse said:

He took a polygraph and passed and will be a witness
He was first attracted to casey because she carried herself well, was smart, sarcastic and fun to be around.

She stole money from him

She text messaged him, telling him she was pregnant. He did the math and didn't really think it was possible, but didn't want to miss out on anything with the baby on the off chance he was the Dad.

He pushed for the paternity test, was disappointed when he learned he wasn't the father.

When Caylee was an infant casey was a very good mother, devoted and Caylee was the center of her universe.

His relationship with her ended when the "transformation" occurred, she began to drink, lie and party. He said that as she got closer to her mother she changed and the bad behavior began. (IMO, this is an attempt to get back at cynthia for her accusing him during her interview by LE.)


Thanks for the update.

I don't think Jesse realizes Casey's lies began the day she told him he was the father.

jmo

[jammies]

Re: Jesse. I always got the feeling that Casey dumped him. Or he found out she was sleeping around. I think he was still in love with her up until the time Caylee went missing and all the lies came out. Seems he was very hurt by her and now that hurt has turned to anger and disgust. Out of everyone in this case, I feel the worst for him.

[enigma]

My thoughts on this are that the ones she used to hang with are now part of the 80+ witnesses to be called,and have possibly been asked not to have anymore contact with her,OR that "they" don't want to be dragged into this horrible situation. I'm thinking that most of her friends "know" she has done something to Caylee. They are stepping away for her like a pile of steaming ****!

It has to be as bad at home as it is in jail...I simply can't see anykind of peace or kind words floating around under that roof.

Caylee:rose:

Yep, after the statements they gave, it would be very improbable for them not to be called as witnesses for the prosecution.

I also think, as I've said in another post, that at least one of her friends KNOWS something that will come out and seal it. Not that they're deliberately holding back, but that maybe they haven't so far realized the importance of something that may have seemed insignificant at the time, but which now makes sense taken in the context of what they now know... a piece or two of the puzzle that will fall into place. I hope whatever it is will lead to Caylee being found and to the culprit getting their just deserts.

JMHO...

[shelbar53]

When casey is arrested on murder charges, will the anthonys still be allowed to panhandle for donations at the publix? Will they still hold vigils?

[GrandmaGA]

i'm along those same lines...

i don't care if zg is in it for the money....
i don't care if every zg out there sues and gets a judgment...

maybe then, the 'books and movies' at least wont profit the family that has never put caylee first



imoNo chance it will ever see a court if this is true.

http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=942

[GrandmaGA]

Well if any of the Anthonys lie in the depos for ZG`s case then she can in turn name them in the suit. Also they could be brought up on perjury charges. Hard to imagine Cindy EVER telling a true story that could result in the guilt of her daughter, either in civil or criminal court. And that's why I say this is a way to lock in there stories and cross examine them.

Now Jesse could go straight away and sue Cindy. Florida is a homestead state so no one can take there house but other monies and especially future monies if they try to turn Caylee into a cash cow.

After Ca vs Westerfield, the Vann Dames (sp?) were able to go after Westerfield insurance since he was broke and won a pretty large settlement. I do not know that can be done in Florida.


Maybe it will be ZG who will find herself facing purjury charges.

http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=942

[jammies]

When casey is arrested on murder charges, will the anthonys still be allowed to panhandle for donations at the publix? Will they still hold vigils?



Don't know but that whole "Publix parking lot" scenario makes me ill. How low can they go?

[Texas48]

I think they pretty much had it when they started releasing documents and forensic reports... It's building up, that's for sure. IMO, what they said recently about not having the evidence to charge her with murder is the lull before the storm.

JMHO... LE was possibly giving her just enough rope..Know what I mean? They have certainly known what they were doing all along. They have my respect..thats for sure. jmo

[GIGI4256]

Don't know but that whole "Publix parking lot" scenario makes me ill. How low can they go?

Obviously they can go lower than low. Surely no one is giving money to these evil monsters? To ask for money while their granddaughter is missing is completely foul. Especially since they are doing NOTHING to search for Caylee. JMO

[shelbar53]

At the trial will cindy dress apporpriately? Or will she still wear shorts and a "find caylee" t-shirt. I know its hot in florida but geeze as a 50 year old women...show some decency and respect. I guess Im just cranky about everything the A's do.

[Texas48]

Something has bothered me from the beginning of his case. Well..alot of things bothered me but this stuck in my head again last night on NG. The replay of 911 call Cindy made. If you listen to it carefully as I am sure all has..Cindy was so upset and I really believe that is true but the statement made by her was last time she saw Caylee was June 7. She never even took time to spit that date out. Then when she gave date of birth you can tell she had to stop and think before giving an answer. Why was she so certain about the June 7 date. It just rolled right off her tongue w/no hesitation.

[linspar]

I keep thinking about the front yard confrontation with protestors and Lee was trying to calm his dad ......
George shouted " The body in that trunk was NOT Caylee's "
Was that an "oops" ????? :confused:

[msgatorslayer]

G'morning, all.

One of the last things I did lastnight, half asleep, and prior to going to bed, was skim through the financial docs of the Caylee Trust.

It must have chapped the Anthony's hide to read and sign, that in the even of death, donations will be used for burial. Paraphrasing on my part.

IIRC, they don't have alot of money in the trust. 2k at Suntrust and a few hundred in Lee's Paypal account.

[oldbluesmith]

At the trial will cindy dress apporpriately? Or will she still wear shorts and a "find caylee" t-shirt. I know its hot in florida but geeze as a 50 year old women...show some decency and respect. I guess Im just cranky about everything the A's do.
FL courts normally require people attending to wear appropiate clothing at the trial. They even send a list of what to wear on the jury summons. I have received the summons several times now and served in Jacksonville. Even the poor counties (Bradford, etc) require dress clothing. JMO

[msgatorslayer]

At the trial will cindy dress apporpriately? Or will she still wear shorts and a "find caylee" t-shirt. I know its hot in florida but geeze as a 50 year old women...show some decency and respect. I guess Im just cranky about everything the A's do.

They may want to pack a cooler too. The State isn't going to provide them with a courtroom cooler for their water bottles.

[desmom]

Morning all! I just read on another board a statement Anthony L. made in which he claims he asked Casey before her arrest on 16 July why she stole the money from Amy and she answered "It was my backup plan.". The OP astutely brought out that if stealing from Amy was her backup plan than surely there must have been an original plan. IMO, if that is the case, the state can make a case for premeditated murder based on that very damning comment. JMO.

Any thoughts? Has anyone else seen AL's statement? TIA.

Found it... Page 282 of the documents

Tony L: "Why would you need to take money from your friend's account? And she goes I needed for some kind of backup plan. I was like, what kind of backup plan you talking about. And she's like, oh don't. I was like, I don't want to hear about no back plan. I don't want to hear anything that you have to say about stuff like that. And she's like, oh no nothing like that. I'm like, I don't...just don't say anything about that I don't want to hear it."

[oldbluesmith]

They may want to pack a cooler too. The State isn't going to provide them with a courtroom cooler for their water bottles.LOL, I don't recall exactly, but I don't think they will allow it in the courtroom. The A's will have to keep it in their vehicles. JMO

[shelbar53]

Something has bothered me from the beginning of his case. Well..alot of things bothered me but this stuck in my head again last night on NG. The replay of 911 call Cindy made. If you listen to it carefully as I am sure all has..Cindy was so upset and I really believe that is true but the statement made by her was last time she saw Caylee was June 7. She never even took time to spit that date out. Then when she gave date of birth you can tell she had to stop and think before giving an answer. Why was she so certain about the June 7 date. It just rolled right off her tongue w/no hesitation.
Then she changed it to the 9th, then the 15th. So like many of her stories..they change or are embellished. But why did it take the third all for her to become paniced about her gd missing?

[bballgrl]

Found it... Page 282 of the documents

Tony L: "Why would you need to take money from your friend's account? And she goes I needed for some kind of backup plan. I was like, what kind of backup plan you talking about. And she's like, oh don't. I was like, I don't want to hear about no back plan. I don't want to hear anything that you have to say about stuff like that. And she's like, oh no nothing like that. I'm like, I don't...just don't say anything about that I don't want to hear it."

So, in other words..... what he doesn't know can't hurt him? Geez:rolleyes:

[crymeariver2006]

Found it... Page 282 of the documents

Tony L: "Why would you need to take money from your friend's account? And she goes I needed for some kind of backup plan. I was like, what kind of backup plan you talking about. And she's like, oh don't. I was like, I don't want to hear about no back plan. I don't want to hear anything that you have to say about stuff like that. And she's like, oh no nothing like that. I'm like, I don't...just don't say anything about that I don't want to hear it."


WTH kind of back up plan is it when you spend the money as fast as you steal it?

:shrug:

[oldbluesmith]

Found it... Page 282 of the documents

Tony L: "Why would you need to take money from your friend's account? And she goes I needed for some kind of backup plan. I was like, what kind of backup plan you talking about. And she's like, oh don't. I was like, I don't want to hear about no back plan. I don't want to hear anything that you have to say about stuff like that. And she's like, oh no nothing like that. I'm like, I don't...just don't say anything about that I don't want to hear it."Hmmmm.....he didn't want to hear anymore lies? JMHO

[crymeariver2006]

So, in other words..... what he doesn't know can't hurt him? Geez:rolleyes:


No, IMO he wanted to hear the truth. I don't think he was up to speed on all her lies during their short relationship. A "back up plan" didn't make a whole lot of sense to him (either).

JMO

[jammies]

Found it... Page 282 of the documents

Tony L: "Why would you need to take money from your friend's account? And she goes I needed for some kind of backup plan. I was like, what kind of backup plan you talking about. And she's like, oh don't. I was like, I don't want to hear about no back plan. I don't want to hear anything that you have to say about stuff like that. And she's like, oh no nothing like that. I'm like, I don't...just don't say anything about that I don't want to hear it."



How did Tony find out she stole Amy's money from her account? Why didn't he kick her out when he found out???

[margaritaville]

WTH kind of back up plan is it when you spend the money as fast as you steal it?

:shrug:



I think her back up plan was to leave the state. go to Cali and meet up with her friend there.

I honestly believe if Cindy would have given her 1 more day as Casey requested when Cindy was calling the police, Casey would have been gone!! She needed that extra day to get out of dodge...........

moo

[msgatorslayer]

LOL, I don't recall exactly, but I don't think they will allow it in the courtroom. The A's will have to keep it in their vehicles. JMO

Cindy was allowed to bring her water bottle into court for the bond hearing. Did you watch that? She had George hold on to it when she was called to the stand. During testimony, she got thirsty. As courtroom officials were going to find her some water, she said she had her own, lmao, and someone brought the bottle up to her.

[summer4meplz]

Morning all! I just read on another board a statement Anthony L. made in which he claims he asked Casey before her arrest on 16 July why she stole the money from Amy and she answered "It was my backup plan.". The OP astutely brought out that if stealing from Amy was her backup plan than surely there must have been an original plan. IMO, if that is the case, the state can make a case for premeditated murder based on that very damning comment. JMO.

Any thoughts? Has anyone else seen AL's statement? TIA.


Good morning !! I'm wondering if her backup plan was going to CA to be with Mark Hawkins? Interesting that TonyL didn't ask her what that plan was....I think he said something along the lines of "he didn't want to know"

[crymeariver2006]

At the trial will cindy dress apporpriately? Or will she still wear shorts and a "find caylee" t-shirt. I know its hot in florida but geeze as a 50 year old women...show some decency and respect. I guess Im just cranky about everything the A's do.

Some judges won't allow ribbons or pins depicting the victim's image so as not to influence the jury.

That's in a normal case though.

Here, the logical "victims" in addition to Caylee, are aiding her defense and lying for her.

:shrug:

[summer4meplz]

How did Tony find out she stole Amy's money from her account? Why didn't he kick her out when he found out???

That's a very good question....How DO we know that? How did tony know....maybe it was the "sleep walking money" :shrug:

[shelbar53]

Durning cindys interview, Yuri mentioned how many people were working on this case. {I dont remember the number}. But I bet they have scrutinized every line of every conversation and backed up timelines with cell pone pins, computet time entries, compared stories...they all have the luxury of being in a room together, with all the info..discussing it looking at it...posting it on boards. They have so much more info then we have. Oh I bet they have put many many of the peices together. Probably just getting signatures on everything to take it to court.

[oldbluesmith]

I think her back up plan was to leave the state. go to Cali and meet up with her friend there.

I honestly believe if Cindy would have given her 1 more day as Casey requested when Cindy was calling the police, Casey would have been gone!! She needed that extra day to get out of dodge...........

mooThe max she had in her purse was about $180 to $200 and credit cards. I guess she was taking the bus or stealing a car? She is a brick shy of a load if she thought that would get her anywhere. JMHO

[Boxer]

Good morning !! I'm wondering if her backup plan was going to CA to be with Mark Hawkins? Interesting that TonyL didn't ask her what that plan was....I think he said something along the lines of "he didn't want to know"

Mornin Summer. I'm so behind on this stuff. I did see where she was named an official suspect. Now if they'd just hurry and line it all up and arrest her. I can't help but feel the whole family has helped in the coverup. It's so sad. Poor little baby girl.:(

[enigma]

Good morning everyone. I sure hope this is the day we find out where Caylee is.

Ya know. This morning i've spent the last 2 hrs searching high and low for my outside cat, who is always here like clockwork every morning. I can not find her and have checked everywhere she goes 10x over. I am worried sick about a cat and yet Casey could care less about her own child. :flamemad: It angers me to tears.


I know what you mean about Casey... When our little dog took longer than her usual few minutes to do her do-do's I was in tears, running around and calling her like a thing possessed until I found her calmly strolling and smelling the roses in our neighbour's yard... grrrr.

And I didn't think of tatoos, manicures and parties for one split second. I wonder what's wrong with me?

About cats... ours is a home body and she disappeared for a whole day when we had people in and out, moving stuff, doing yard work, making noise... I found her under the bed covers in our bedroom LOL! I never thought to look there because she'd never felt the need to hide before. I'm sure yours will be home soon :)

JMHO...

[crymeariver2006]

How did Tony find out she stole Amy's money from her account? Why didn't he kick her out when he found out???

I don't think he found out until after Amy found out. Casey was gone from the apartment by then.

[num1barb]

I think her back up plan was to leave the state. go to Cali and meet up with her friend there.

I honestly believe if Cindy would have given her 1 more day as Casey requested when Cindy was calling the police, Casey would have been gone!! She needed that extra day to get out of dodge...........

moo


ITA. She was getting him lined up before Amy realized she stole from her, and TonyL realized she was a sociopath and pathological liar.

I too wonder why she spent so much money if she wanted to leave, but maybe that's why the escort website searches...she was trying to figure out how long (or how many times) she'd have to "escort" to get enough money to go to cali....

I wonder if there were any searches for plane, train or bus travel to cali?

MOO

[summer4meplz]

Thanks des! You're the best!

I sounds to me that at this point Tony is pretty sure that Casey hurt Caylee and he just doesn't want to hear about it, IMO.


I hadn't thought tony knew about Caylee....I'm still thinking he didn't know about Caylee....just that he was beginning to realize she's a liar and a thief...but not a murderer!...but I could be wrong...

[jammies]

That's a very good question....How DO we know that? How did tony know....maybe it was the "sleep walking money" :shrug:


Only if Casey told him. Why would she tell her new bf, that she was trying to impress, that she stole money from her best friend? Unless Tony was also some sort of thief, not sure I'm buyin' this.

[oldbluesmith]

Cindy was allowed to bring her water bottle into court for the bond hearing. Did you watch that? She had George hold on to it when she was called to the stand. During testimony, she got thirsty. As courtroom officials were going to find her some water, she said she had her own, lmao, and someone brought the bottle up to her.Sorry, I was not completely explicit that I was referring to the cooler being in the courtroom. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Cindy was allowed to bring her water bottle into court for the bond hearing. Did you watch that? She had George hold on to it when she was called to the stand. During testimony, she got thirsty. As courtroom officials were going to find her some water, she said she had her own, lmao, and someone brought the bottle up to her.

Which totally floored me! I have never seen a judge allow anyone on the stand to drink anything but the courthouse water. She could have had anything in there!

Anything but truth serum obviously.

[summer4meplz]

IIRC, when Amy went to pick up her checkbook at Tony's they sat and talked for an hour and a half comparing notes. IMO, she told him about the stealing, lies, smell in the car, and everything that Lee and Cindy told her. JMO.

but that was AFTER her arrest....he had that conversation with casey before the arrest....hmmm...what to think...?

[msgatorslayer]

Then she changed it to the 9th, then the 15th. So like many of her stories..they change or are embellished. But why did it take the third all for her to become paniced about her gd missing?

I've always thought the date recollections were hinky.

I really believe that those first 2 phone calls about thefts were an attempt to get Casey to comply with demands to produce Caylee. Cindy was trying to bribe and manipulate the situation.

Since Casey couldn't meet the demands, she finally had to admit that Caylee was gone. There was no more bluffing.

[jammies]

IIRC, when Amy went to pick up her checkbook at Tony's they sat and talked for an hour and a half comparing notes. IMO, she told him about the stealing, lies, smell in the car, and everything that Lee and Cindy told her. JMO.


Yes, but that was AFTER Cindy came and got her. He says this was BEFORE all the chit came down.

[need2no]

Maybe it will be ZG who will find herself facing purjury charges.

http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=942


Why am I not in the least surprised by this information.

Interesting the interviewer, Rachael, is the woman who had the MySpace with pics, songs, and daily audio commentary about this case.


As the world turns.........

[jammies]

but that was AFTER her arrest....he had that conversation with casey before the arrest....hmmm...what to think...?


exactly. Just doesn't make sense. I don't see Casey voluntarily (sp?) offering that info to Tony.

[msgatorslayer]

Sorry, I was not completely explicit that I was referring to the cooler being in the courtroom. JMO

NP. Could have been me. I'm only my first cup of coffee. And you're right. She will not be allowed a cooler in the courtroom. It may be Florida, but the courtroom is not a beach, lol.

[nc1948]

Morning Winnie..I don't believe I was suppose to say "good morning"..anyway I did..The thing I am not understanding is this. Zg sues Casey but Casey has no money. The only people that could possibly make money off this case is Cindy and George. ZG is NOT bringing suit against these two. She has NO suit against them. Sooooo what does she expect to get except getting her Good Name back? LE has stated many times over that ZG had nothing to do with this case. Just not understanding. Good to see you posting!:beer:


I do respectfully disagree. Casey is the legal parent of Caylee. If/Until she is convicted she would be the only one that could collect on Caylee. George and Cindy are the grandparents and are not her legal guardian. I don't think they can profit from her photos, and am not sure about a book or movie.

[crymeariver2006]

but that was AFTER her arrest....he had that conversation with casey before the arrest....hmmm...what to think...?


I'm sure she called him. She did say in the expletive ridden phone call home that she hadn't talked to him since that morning before she was arrested. (Not verbatim).

[shelbar53]

Just wondering whats in the minds of mothers when their childen kill. Does jackie peterson still believe scott is innocent? Will cindy continue to believe casey is innocent? Why is it so bad to accept the truth and start the healing process...is one considered a bad mom to believe your child is a murderer?

[spiritwolf46]

I think her back up plan was to leave the state. go to Cali and meet up with her friend there.

I honestly believe if Cindy would have given her 1 more day as Casey requested when Cindy was calling the police, Casey would have been gone!! She needed that extra day to get out of dodge...........

moo

ITA!!!! Morning all! :seeya:

[summer4meplz]

Re: Jesse. I always got the feeling that Casey dumped him. Or he found out she was sleeping around. I think he was still in love with her up until the time Caylee went missing and all the lies came out. Seems he was very hurt by her and now that hurt has turned to anger and disgust. Out of everyone in this case, I feel the worst for him.


Did I dream this, or do I have a faint memory of Jesse's dad being the one to look at her myspace and see that she was "fooling around"...

Hi Boxer...I almost called you....we've been worried....I'm getting ready to take my daughter to school....i'll be back in a bit and get caught up....glad to see you back!!

[enigma]

LE was possibly giving her just enough rope..Know what I mean? They have certainly known what they were doing all along. They have my respect..thats for sure. jmo

Yep, mine too! They've been following a strategy that may be a bit unconventional, but hey! Fire with fire, right?

JMHO...

[Texas48]

Maybe it will be ZG who will find herself facing purjury charges.

http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=942
Very interesting comment Grandma. Have to ponder on this one.

[desmom]

How did Tony find out she stole Amy's money from her account? Why didn't he kick her out when he found out???

Amy called him and told him Casey had cleared out his checking account when Amy discovered her theft. Amy did not discover the theft until after Cindy and Casey dropped her off.

IMO, Tony did kick her out and that is why her bags were packed when Lee got to the house to pick up her things during the middle of the night.

jmo

[crymeariver2006]

Did I dream this, or do I have a faint memory of Jesse's dad being the one to look at her myspace and see that she was "fooling around"...

Hi Boxer...I almost called you....we've been worried....I'm getting ready to take my daughter to school....i'll be back in a bit and get caught up....glad to see you back!!

He said he did. Hey, it's not like she was keeping anything private.

:shrug:

[msgatorslayer]

Just wondering whats in the minds of mothers when their childen kill. Does jackie peterson still believe scott is innocent? Will cindy continue to believe casey is innocent? Why is it so bad to accept the truth and start the healing process...is one considered a bad mom to believe your child is a murderer?

I picture the Anthony's being like the Mom of Darlie Routier. Even if Caylee's body is found and Casey is found guilty of her murder, they will continue to lead unhappy lives and preach to whoever will listen that their Daughter is innocent.

[jammies]

Did I dream this, or do I have a faint memory of Jesse's dad being the one to look at her myspace and see that she was "fooling around"...

Hi Boxer...I almost called you....we've been worried....I'm getting ready to take my daughter to school....i'll be back in a bit and get caught up....glad to see you back!!


I never heard that, summer. I can see him checking her out, though. As a parent, I sure would have. IF he did, I'll bet the entire Grund family is thanking their lucky stars!

[crymeariver2006]

Very interesting comment Grandma. Have to ponder on this one.

There's nothing to ponder. CW has removed that same link so many times I've lost count.

[jammies]

I picture the Anthony's being like the Mom of Darlie Routier. Even if Caylee's body is found and Casey is found guilty of her murder, they will continue to lead unhappy lives and preach to whoever will listen that their Daughter is innocent.


Long story, but I met Darlie's family when she was in the hospital right after the murders. If you ONLY knew how right on you are about your post. Her mother reminds me SOOOO much of Cindy. They could be sisters.

[crymeariver2006]

Amy called him and told him Casey had cleared out his checking account when Amy discovered her theft. Amy did not discover the theft until after Cindy and Casey dropped her off.

IMO, Tony did kick her out and that is why her bags were packed when Lee got to the house to pick up her things during the middle of the night.

jmo

LOL, kicked to the curb and she didn't even know it!

Gotta love that!

[spiritwolf46]

There's nothing to ponder. CW has removed that same link so many times I've lost count.

I thought that was the same link that was removed. That link is as hoaky as they come, IMO!

I saw here where one poster thought that there may be an arrest in the next three days. I believe that as well. I think there are going to be some major changes coming up soon. Maybe it is wishful thinking on my part, but boy do I have a gut feeling.

:rose:For CAYLEE

[Velouria]

Don't know but that whole "Publix parking lot" scenario makes me ill. How low can they go?


They could start holding the vigils at Publix, too. :rolleyes:

[nc1948]

When casey is arrested on murder charges, will the anthonys still be allowed to panhandle for donations at the publix? Will they still hold vigils?

I don't think there is anything that can legally be done to stop them. I don't think they will stop as long as some poor gullible soul gives them money. They will always say they are using monies to find Caylee although I have never seen ANY searching on their part. The Anthonys have not been and never will be about Caylee. Such a shame.

[trich]

i'm along those same lines...

i don't care if zg is in it for the money....
i don't care if every zg out there sues and gets a judgment...

maybe then, the 'books and movies' at least wont profit the family that has never put caylee first



imo


I have to agree.

Casey and her family have dragged innocent people
into their web of lies and why should these innocents have to suffer
when they have done nothing to deserve it.
For those that don't agree with ZG suing....put yourself in her position and see how you would feel if it was your name and your family that was dragged through the mud and lied about .

[msgatorslayer]

Long story, but I met Darlie's family when she was in the hospital right after the murders. If you ONLY knew how right on you are about your post. Her mother reminds me SOOOO much of Cindy. They could be sisters.

:eek: Wow, right after the murders, ha. I'm pretty well informed on that case and have read most of the trial transcripts. Mama Kee has also been here posting in the past.

[Texas48]

Then she changed it to the 9th, then the 15th. So like many of her stories..they change or are embellished. But why did it take the third all for her to become paniced about her gd missing? It was not what she said(we all know not to trust that) but how she made these statements. So exact about June 7 and then hesitation about date of birth. The dates last seen and then the video of GGP. And then KC so exact about the 31 days...over and over 31 days. This case has been so messed up from the get go. Give me strength..jmo

[trich]

I don't think there is anything that can legally be done to stop them. I don't think they will stop as long as some poor gullible soul gives them money. They will always say they are using monies to find Caylee although I have never seen ANY searching on their part. The Anthonys have not been and never will be about Caylee. Such a shame.


There is no accounting for taste.

Why doesn't Cindy go back to work...that is if she even has a job any more.
She certainly is not looking for Caylee.

[jammies]

:eek: Wow, right after the murders, ha. I'm pretty well informed on that case and have read most of the trial transcripts. Mama Kee has also been here posting in the past.


Darlie was in ICU the same time a friend of ours was there. (Baylor) Talk about a hub bub in the waiting room. Don't even get me started!! Maybe after this is all over we'll see Cindy posting on Crime Boards! You KNOW she will!

[Velouria]

I think Zenaida is hiding something, and Nancy was so easy on her, oh poor Zenaida, give me a break, as far as I am concerned that woman is involved into this somehow. I hate Casey and am sure she did something to Caylee, but Zenaida knows more, and now she needs money and donations for all her hardships, yeah, ok, sounds like she had them before this, anc considering she isn't the only Zenaida in the world, I dont think shes special, she basically using this story to cry about her unemployment, would love to know her employment history in the past, hardly doubt she was a A plus employee and some ignorant boss fired her because of Caseys accusations.



I don't necessarily agree that she's involved with the case, but I do see her as an opportunist. I don't buy the assertion that she lost her job over the adverse publicity. Perhaps it was a situation like that of Anthony Rusciano and there was more to the story. She may have been a terrible employee and the employer saw this as an excuse to fire her.

Zenaida reminds me of the Wendy's chili-finger lady.

[trich]

ITA. IIRC, Jesse said in his interview that Casey put her life out on myspace and facebook. Something like she lived for that. JMO.


Well she does live her little fantasy life....pretty soon I think she is going to get a big dose of REAL LIFE.
I can't wait.

[enigma]

I think her back up plan was to leave the state. go to Cali and meet up with her friend there.

I honestly believe if Cindy would have given her 1 more day as Casey requested when Cindy was calling the police, Casey would have been gone!! She needed that extra day to get out of dodge...........

moo

That "one more day" has always bothered me. One more day for what?

Not to "find" Caylee, because she hadn't been looking for her.

I think she new the game was up and she had to do something. Something like... disappear, maybe?

JMHO...

[Velouria]

Darlie was in ICU the same time a friend of ours was there. (Baylor) Talk about a hub bub in the waiting room. Don't even get me started!! Maybe after this is all over we'll see Cindy posting on Crime Boards! You KNOW she will!

I'm not so sure she hasn't already, jammies!

[Regina.Lampert]

Well if any of the Anthonys lie in the depos for ZG`s case then she can in turn name them in the suit. Also they could be brought up on perjury charges. Hard to imagine Cindy EVER telling a true story that could result in the guilt of her daughter, either in civil or criminal court. And that's why I say this is a way to lock in there stories and cross examine them.

Now Jesse could go straight away and sue Cindy. Florida is a homestead state so no one can take there house but other monies and especially future monies if they try to turn Caylee into a cash cow.

After Ca vs Westerfield, the Vann Dames (sp?) were able to go after Westerfield insurance since he was broke and won a pretty large settlement. I do not know that can be done in Florida.


Mr. Morgan is a very experienced civil litigator and on one of his first interviews his view was that if cynthia and george keep saying that Caylee was kidnapped by Zenaida Gonzolez, the civil action could be expanded to include them and their home owners insurance could be accessed to pay off any settlement. I think this is when their story changed to casey selling Caylee.

I love the fact that the anthony's have this civil matter to deal with, especially the depositions.

[Texas48]

I would hope they had the good sense not to continue asking for donations and instead of vigils in the driveway make arrangements for a decent memorial and burial, even with no body, of this little angel. JMO. Will they ever give Caylee a proper burial? IMO, no, they will not because that's just what they are. JMO.

For Caylee:rose: They just are not ready to admit to themselves that this baby is dead. GP are not able to make arrangements until that happends. Some people wll not admit that their loved one is dead until they actually SEE the body. Time will tell.jmo

[jammies]

Did anyone notice the Cindy 911 call that Nancy played last night? Did she play MORE of it than we have heard before? Cindy was crying and hysterical and could barely get the words out. I had never heard that before.

Oh am I hallucinating?

[spiritwolf46]

I think the country is lawsuit crazy sometimes. But I agree she should sue. I don't think she will ever get a penny. I would be spending my efforts relocating and legally changing my name, if it was me. Nobody is going to 'forget' that name, it will follow her forever. Six kids and behind the 8 ball to start with, this woman has been knocked off her feet through no fault of her own. I personally hope she gets her life back. all jmo


Good post! I could not imagine waking up one morning and have my life change so drastically like hers did! I hope that there is someone out there willing to help her out with food and shelter and so on. I truly feel so bad for her. I wish I were closer for I would take her and her children in! My husband may have to leave for a while (just kidding) but I would do it.

Poor thing :rose:

:rose:For CAYLEE and ALL of the Anthony's vicitms!

[num1barb]

I'm not so sure she hasn't already, jammies!


I'm with you!! The anthonys have a lot of time on their hands.

[jammies]

I'm not so sure she hasn't already, jammies!



lol we DO have our suspicions, vel! ;)

[shelbar53]

Found it... Page 282 of the documents

Tony L: "Why would you need to take money from your friend's account? And she goes I needed for some kind of backup plan. I was like, what kind of backup plan you talking about. And she's like, oh don't. I was like, I don't want to hear about no back plan. I don't want to hear anything that you have to say about stuff like that. And she's like, oh no nothing like that. I'm like, I don't...just don't say anything about that I don't want to hear it."

Can you post a link to that, i cant find that, i looked in the 400pg doc and i read Tony l interview and I didnt reference to that.

[margaret kep]

lol Acorn's razor will go into effect this weekend while I make some home improvements!

I think since Tim & TES have been gone, OCSO has been going back over the cell tower information and will have a more detailed course mapped for them.

I think the state will proceed even if Caylee's body is not found.



Good morning all. Does LE also have pings located on the A' family phones, like Lee, George, Cindy. If CA had help disposing Lil Angel CAYLEE:rose: maybe they could have other locations to search.

[spiritwolf46]

Gosh, you guys are hard today. I agree shes using this opportunity but shes not going to win anything, is she? I was thinking she was taking it on principal. Maybe I am too nice?

No, you are correct. She and her attorney said it has nothing to do with money, but it is the principle of what Casey has done to her and her life.

[nc1948]

I picture the Anthony's being like the Mom of Darlie Routier. Even if Caylee's body is found and Casey is found guilty of her murder, they will continue to lead unhappy lives and preach to whoever will listen that their Daughter is innocent.

I agree. I also think that they will never admit Caylee is dead. Remember Cindy says DNA lies. I am afraid that even if remains are found Cindy will deny it is Caylee and continue her covering for Casey and collecting monies on Caylee.

[Boxer]

Hey Boxer! I was asking about you, missed you! IMO, they'll arrest in the next three days. I hope they have some good footage and Casey doesn't have that smug smirk on her face. It's time for her to face reality. I say throw her in with the general population! JMO.

I know it's gonna sound nuts, but this whole mess depresses me a little. That combined with setting up and running the holiday prints at work have me draggin! Can't seem to sleep enough lately. Combine that with a life changing diagnosis on my 14 year old grandson and you have the makings of Boxer sitting and basically just blowing spit bubbles. I'm trying to get back in the swing of things though.

I think they should throw Casey in my back yard.;)

[FrankieBones1]

Morning all

From reading last night's thread, Casey is now being called the official suspect.

Hope she's arrested soon.That is the best news I've heard all week. I'm just getting caught up reading last night's thread and it is amazing how some posters take gossip as truth when it comes to Zenaida.

There's a link to a gossip site going around that really doesn't belong on this board. Whatever Zenaida has done in the past doesn't have anything to do with Caylee's death. The link to that BS site was deleted the other day but I see more defence sided members are posting it still.

[num1barb]

I'm wondering if casey got ZF-G's information the day ZF-G looked at the apt. I think princesspantsonfire watched ZF-G get out of her car, go into the leasing office, then go unlock the apt door and go inside. At that time, PPOF checked ZF-G's car door, found it unlocked, and rifled through her car looking for personal info.

The reason I think PPOF got the info that day is because she pointed out to LE the exact apt that ZF-G looked at and she had a description of a car that closely resembled ZF-G's car.

MOO

[Velouria]

Gosh, you guys are hard today. I agree shes using this opportunity but shes not going to win anything, is she? I was thinking she was taking it on principal. Maybe I am too nice?

Barefooted, I don't believe she's expecting to win a settlement, however, I do think she is counting on people to send her donations, job opportunities, perhaps a deal on an apartment, etc.

Don't get me wrong - she may well have suffered embarrassment because of Casey's lies, but as far as quantifiable money damages go, I am doubtful.

If she can manage to wangle some bits of truth from the Anthonys by filing suit however, then more power to her!

[jammies]

I know it's gonna sound nuts, but this whole mess depresses me a little. That combined with setting up and running the holiday prints at work have me draggin! Can't seem to sleep enough lately. Combine that with a life changing diagnosis on my 14 year old grandson and you have the makings of Boxer sitting and basically just blowing spit bubbles. I'm trying to get back in the swing of things though.

I think they should throw Casey in my back yard.;)


Hang in there, Boxer. So sorry about your grandson. I will keep him and your family in my prayers. :rose:

[oldbluesmith]

Mr. Morgan is a very experienced civil litigator and on one of his first interviews his view was that if cynthia and george keep saying that Caylee was kidnapped by Zenaida Gonzolez, the civil action could be expanded to include them and their home owners insurance could be accessed to pay off any settlement. I think this is when their story changed to casey selling Caylee.

I love the fact that the anthony's have this civil matter to deal with, especially the depositions.LOL, Cindy and George can change their story all they want, but they are on tape telling the lies of Casey. Too late, so sorry. Goose cooked, JMHO

[spiritwolf46]

I know it's gonna sound nuts, but this whole mess depresses me a little. That combined with setting up and running the holiday prints at work have me draggin! Can't seem to sleep enough lately. Combine that with a life changing diagnosis on my 14 year old grandson and you have the makings of Boxer sitting and basically just blowing spit bubbles. I'm trying to get back in the swing of things though.

I think they should throw Casey in my back yard.;)

Boxer, I am so sorry to hear about your grandson. I will be praying for him.

It is good to see you, my friend. I pray that all works out well for your family. :seeya:

:rose:For CAYLEE, Boxer and family

[margaret kep]

Yeah, you are right about the Wendys lady, but something is not right with this woman. I really dont buy Casey got the name off a questionaire, I mean were her two daughters with her when she looked at Sawgrass, because originally I heard it was her boyfriend, or sister, or something, can anyone clarify that? And if they were not there, why just put down two of the kids names? If Sawgrass never saw Casey in the office how did she see the questionnaire.

This is the most exciting thing to ever happen to Zenaida and she knows it and that why shes milking it for all its worth, and its sick. I think this is one shady lady. moo



EXCUSE ME:flamemad:....do you know that this is the most exciting thing in her life. I can think of 2 things off the bat that would be most exciting in her life. 2 beautiful kids that I saw on tv. And shady as to what. Wanting her name cleared. At least this girl worked hard cleaning houses. Did Casey work?

[jammies]

No, lol, you're not hallucinating! She was clearly anguished over finding out that Caylee was missing. You can hear it in her voice when George comes home and she pratically screeches: "George Caylee is missing!". JMO.



Oh thank you thank you! I was like "where the heck have I been?" lol
Wonder why we never got to hear that part before? Cindy CLEARLY was freaking out. No WAY she knew that Caylee was "gone".

[Texas48]

Only if Casey told him. Why would she tell her new bf, that she was trying to impress, that she stole money from her best friend? Unless Tony was also some sort of thief, not sure I'm buyin' this.
Me either Jammies. Something here makes no sense and if it doesn't make sense then its not true. Course none of this case makes alot of sense. jmo

[spiritwolf46]

Oh please, really, with all respect.

What really happened to her?

Are you telling me there is one employer on the planet that said, hey Zenaida, we cant hire you because Casey said you took her daughter, but the cops dont believe it, but we still wont hire you?

Oh, she got some fashion advice on how to conceal her tatoos and got on Nancy and milked the poor victim role, which to me it looked like she wasn't feeling anything but being star struck.

moo

WOW! Ummmm......to each his/her own! I completely believe otherwise, but respect with respect, you opinion. :D

[jammies]

Me either Jammies. Something here makes no sense and if it doesn't make sense then its not true. Course none of this case makes alot of sense. jmo



The ONLY way it makes sense is if he spoke with Casey AFTER talking to Amy. He may have just been nervous and mis-spoke about the timeline. ???

[crymeariver2006]

Gosh, you guys are hard today. I agree shes using this opportunity but shes not going to win anything, is she? I was thinking she was taking it on principal. Maybe I am too nice?

Well, until and unless Casey is ever convicted of murder, she is free to make as much money as she wants. She can even (gasp) work!

I think Morgan is going to follow the money trail. Wherever that may lead.

[desmom]

but that was AFTER her arrest....he had that conversation with casey before the arrest....hmmm...what to think...?

Pages 226 - 263:

Cindy picked up Amy at the mall on July 15. Amy told Cindy how to get to Tony's apt. During the drive to Tony's, Cindy tells Amy about Casey's lies and stealing. Amy recalls the missing cash from the week before Amy's vacation...the cash Casey told Amy she hid while sleepwalking.

They arrive at Tony's. Cindy confronts Casey. Casey, Cindy and Amy leave Tony's. Cindy and Casey drop Amy off at home. An hour after Amy was dropped off at home, she had a feeling she should check her bank account. That is when Amy discovered her account had a zero balance.

Amy calls BOA and sends Ricardo to check her car for her checkbook while she is on the phone with BOA. The checkbook is not in the car.

Cindy calls Amy around 11 p.m. to tell her Caylee has been missing for a month. Amy told Cindy Casey had emptied her bank account. Cindy said "Casey was with the cops and she asked her if she had done it and she said Casey admitted that she had written all the checks."

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Tony found out about the checkbook the evening of the 15th. After everyone (Casey, Cindy & Amy) left, he was in the dark about what was going on and he called Amy. She told him to check his account and everyone else at his apt should do the same because Casey took money from Amy.

jmo

[spiritwolf46]

Does anyone know how old her children are? Doesn't Florida have unemployment insurance and a welfare system? I would think that after losing her job and all this publicity that these state agencies would step up to help out or maybe she needs to reach out for this help. JMO.

And that is what I was trying to say. She has been through he77 and back with all of this and I sure hope that the State WILL indeed step in, give her an opportunity to find employment with shelter and food for her and her children. Too bad that this woman was once a WORKING mother with kids and now she may be looking at welfare.

I would think that with 6 children she should be able to get some kind of welfare for them.

[FrankieBones1]

Maybe it will be ZG who will find herself facing purjury charges.

http://(((snipped!!)))/?p=942
This link has already been deleted by the moderator. Why do you continue to spread this around? If you want a crime board on this person why don't you get permission to start one and leave this off of the Caylee board? Zenaida has nothing to do with the death of Caylee.

[nc1948]

I know it's gonna sound nuts, but this whole mess depresses me a little. That combined with setting up and running the holiday prints at work have me draggin! Can't seem to sleep enough lately. Combine that with a life changing diagnosis on my 14 year old grandson and you have the makings of Boxer sitting and basically just blowing spit bubbles. I'm trying to get back in the swing of things though.

I think they should throw Casey in my back yard.;)

Boxer, so good to see you back, missed you and your posts. I was doing some Christmas list this week and just had to stop as I started thinking of Caylee and no Christmas, birthdays, holidays. Caylee deserved better but so many children have become disposable.

What has astounded me about this is that NORMALLY when a child is missing and presumed dead that even if one party acts disinterested, the rest of the family does display some grief. I have seen no grief from any of the Anthonys. I have seen no desire to find Caylee.

[crymeariver2006]

Does anyone know how old her children are? Doesn't Florida have unemployment insurance and a welfare system? I would think that after losing her job and all this publicity that these state agencies would step up to help out or maybe she needs to reach out for this help. JMO.


Geez rose, you're sounding like Ebeneezer Scrooge - "Are there no work houses.....?"

:D

Times are tough all over, even if you haven't been accused of taking someone's child. IMO, that just makes her situation worse.

:shrug:

[Regina.Lampert]

Thanks again Regina! She sure is a piece of work isn`t she? I am really starting to wonder about the theory she was drugging Caylee so she could party. Went something went wrong, she couldn't report it because she would of been found out and probably been up on murder charges any way. So she decided to try and hide it. She took to long and hence the smell in the car. It takes a really cold person to do all she has done.

How she got ZG`s info I have no idea........that all makes my head spin there maybe a missing link to that part of it only LE and Casey know. Mainly it confuses me because Jesse`s dad had heard the name way before this started.


I think you're right Tree, if this was truly an accident, imo casey anthony would have had no problem calling 911. This was deliberate, imo.

Going by memory here, it turns out that casey and Lazarro had been looking at apartments. I am wondering if Zenaida Gonzolez just happened to look at the same apartment complex, filled out a card and casey anthony saw it. ZG is on the potential witness list, wouldn't that be a bombshell at trial?

[FrankieBones1]

Did anyone notice the Cindy 911 call that Nancy played last night? Did she play MORE of it than we have heard before? Cindy was crying and hysterical and could barely get the words out. I had never heard that before.

Oh am I hallucinating?

I noticed that last night as well. Near the end of the call. It was painful to listen to. There is no way she could have faked that. That's one of the reasons I can safely say that Cindy had nothing to do with Caylee's death.

[summer4meplz]

He had that conversation with her during the morning of July 16th before LE came to get her again to bring her to Universal, after the 911 calls but before her official arrest, IIRC. Stand to be corrected.

oh good..that makes sense...

[jammies]

oh good..that makes sense...


ditto. Didn't want Tony to have that info before Cindy arrived. Was making me uncomfortable!!

[spiritwolf46]

Did anyone notice the Cindy 911 call that Nancy played last night? Did she play MORE of it than we have heard before? Cindy was crying and hysterical and could barely get the words out. I had never heard that before.

Oh am I hallucinating?

I heard it, too, Jammies. VERY hard to listen to. I truly do not believe that Cindy had anything to do with the disappearance of Caylee, but I think she is VERY guilty of lies, spinning stories and enabling Casey to be the monster she is today.

[Texas48]

I have to agree.

Casey and her family have dragged innocent people
into their web of lies and why should these innocents have to suffer
when they have done nothing to deserve it.
For those that don't agree with ZG suing....put yourself in her position and see how you would feel if it was your name and your family that was dragged through the mud and lied about . I can understand your point but my point is LE has stated over and over in the media that ZG is not and never was involved with this case. Many people have suffered and Caylee is at top of list. ZG has brought more and more attention to herself w/the interviews and now w/attorney. Heck...she could always write a book when this is all over. jmo

[Velouria]

Prayers for your grandson:rose:

(((Boxer))), and prayers here, too.:rose:

[crymeariver2006]

Did anyone notice the Cindy 911 call that Nancy played last night? Did she play MORE of it than we have heard before? Cindy was crying and hysterical and could barely get the words out. I had never heard that before.

Oh am I hallucinating?

If you are, then so am I.

I don't recall ever hearing that portion before.

:shrug:

[bballgrl]

I noticed that last night as well. Near the end of the call. It was painful to listen to. There is no way she could have faked that. That's one of the reasons I can safely say that Cindy had nothing to do with Caylee's death.

Yes, I agree.... just the cover-up! ;)

[shelbar53]

I know it's gonna sound nuts, but this whole mess depresses me a little. That combined with setting up and running the holiday prints at work have me draggin! Can't seem to sleep enough lately. Combine that with a life changing diagnosis on my 14 year old grandson and you have the makings of Boxer sitting and basically just blowing spit bubbles. I'm trying to get back in the swing of things though.

I think they should throw Casey in my back yard.;)
So sorry about your grandson, I will think of you and your family in my prayers

[Velouria]

I heard it, too, Jammies. VERY hard to listen to. I truly do not believe that Cindy had anything to do with the disappearance of Caylee, but I think she is VERY guilty of lies, spinning stories and enabling Casey to be the monster she is today.

I agree 100%, spiritwolf - I think Cindy has deliberately lied to protect Casey, but had nothing to do with Caylee's death.

[Boxer]

Thanks y'all. We will get through it. :seeya:

Does anyone think that Casey's title change from POI to Suspect means that they have more conclusive tests back?

[crymeariver2006]

I think you're right Tree, if this was truly an accident, imo casey anthony would have had no problem calling 911. This was deliberate, imo.

Going by memory here, it turns out that casey and Lazarro had been looking at apartments. I am wondering if Zenaida Gonzolez just happened to look at the same apartment complex, filled out a card and casey anthony saw it. ZG is on the potential witness list, wouldn't that be a bombshell at trial?

IIRC, in her earlier interview (where her face wasn't shown), ZG said she had looked at several complexes, in addition to Sawgrass.

Apparently she and Casey were looking around the same time.

[babblefishie]

Good morning all,
I really have a feeling that charges will be coming down soon. Either the LE has something from when Tim was here (not a body but something of Caylee's they found out there) or they will proceed with what they do have. I'm convinced that they have a ton of proof and evidence that they haven't shared with the public. I'm hoping it happens soon!!! And I wonder why she is allowed to be on the computer all the time. I thought that LP said no computer no phonecalls. But I guess he was wrong on that too. jmho :rolleyes:

Morning all :seeya:

I think that it's probably good Casey had access to a computer after all. She can't help herself and gets on it and just makes herself look worse. Her time out has been beneficial in showing that she would not "get off her azz" as her mom says and search for her daughter even when given the opportunity. If she had remained in prison her AND her family could claim that OH if ONLY she could have gotten out, driven around with her family and pointed them in the direction of her daughter.... Well the excuses have run out Princess Pants On Fire and noone is listening anymore. :)

[trich]

And that is what I was trying to say. She has been through he77 and back with all of this and I sure hope that the State WILL indeed step in, give her an opportunity to find employment with shelter and food for her and her children. Too bad that this woman was once a WORKING mother with kids and now she may be looking at welfare.

I would think that with 6 children she should be able to get some kind of welfare for them.


Wouldn't it be DEVINE JUSTICE... if someone would pay for her story and she made a fortune off that....would love to see Zenaida and her family get the money then the Anthonys.

[kitty1182]

Wow....at 10:17 pm last night Casey Marie Anthony added me as her friend on Facebook!

Tell her hello for me and to RUN.. :cool:

[Velouria]

In case anyone is interested, Sean Krause's website has a new October home page you might find amusing. :D

[desmom]

Can you post a link to that, i cant find that, i looked in the 400pg doc and i read Tony l interview and I didnt reference to that.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Casey%20Anthony%20discovery%20Pages%20264-431.pdf

[margaret kep]

Yep, another day and Casey would have bolted!


I have always thought Cindy was referring to the money she stole from GGF. I think Cindy wanted Casey to come up with the money and gve her 1 month to do so, and didn't want to give her 1 extra day to produce the money. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

:lol:Ebeneezer Scrooge LMAO.

Seriously, she can reach out for help. She was gainfully employed so she most likely qualifies for unemployment and with so many kids, welfare too. Pride cometh before the fall so she needs to reach out for help. I don't begrudge her the lawsuit. I say go for it! I don't think she'll get a penny and she shouldn't count on that lawsuit for any future income. IMO, a responsible parent would stop appearing on TV shows and haul butt down to the state agencies that get help her out. ITA, time are tough all around, she doesn't have to make them tougher on her kids by not getting assistance. Just my opinion, not Charles Dickens' opinion. :)

We don't know that she's NOT collecting unemployment or any ADC or anything like that. Some people don't like to depend on the government to keep them up. Even if she was getting unemployment, if she was fired, there was definitely a hearing and those hearings take time. Unemployment is only going to cover a percentage of what she was making.

I don't know the answer to her circumstances, but I don't think the government should step in and pick up the slack that Casey Anthony created.

You even have the detective telling George that "these kids" are coming forward and have been threatened with losing their jobs because they didn't want Casey's case "coming to their workplace".

[panokatana]

A possible theory as to how Casey chose Zenaida...

If one leans toward the theory that Zanny was her nickname for Xanax, which she used to make Caylee sleep at parties, etc...(the "babysitter")...
Perhaps she came across the card at Sawgrass and saw the name Zenaida... It has been stated that she went to school with a Zenaida...maybe her nickname was Zanny...and Casey processed the memory...and thought...Hey...Zanny...Zenaida...and stored it in her "I can absolutely use this name to explain Zanny if I ever need to...yeah..."
Then...she does a little myspace search, gets a few facts...grains of truth...(whatEVER they might be)...
There is a Z Fernandez in the band at Colonial High School... etc...
just tossing around a few ideas

JMO

[Texas48]

Good post! I could not imagine waking up one morning and have my life change so drastically like hers did! I hope that there is someone out there willing to help her out with food and shelter and so on. I truly feel so bad for her. I wish I were closer for I would take her and her children in! My husband may have to leave for a while (just kidding) but I would do it.

Poor thing :rose:

:rose:For CAYLEE and ALL of the Anthony's vicitms! OMG spirit..when did you hear that ZG was homeless?

[desmom]

So sorry about your grandson, I will think of you and your family in my prayers

{{{Boxer and family}}}

[Pooh]

This link has already been deleted by the moderator. Why do you continue to spread this around? If you want a crime board on this person why don't you get permission to start one and leave this off of the Caylee board? Zenaida has nothing to do with the death of Caylee.
AMEN Frankie! It amazes me where some people will go.

[summer4meplz]

Pages 226 - 263:

Cindy picked up Amy at the mall on July 15. Amy told Cindy how to get to Tony's apt. During the drive to Tony's, Cindy tells Amy about Casey's lies and stealing. Amy recalls the missing cash from the week before Amy's vacation...the cash Casey told Amy she hid while sleepwalking.

They arrive at Tony's. Cindy confronts Casey. Casey, Cindy and Amy leave Tony's. Cindy and Casey drop Amy off at home. An hour after Amy was dropped off at home, she had a feeling she should check her bank account. That is when Amy discovered her account had a zero balance.

Amy calls BOA and sends Ricardo to check her car for her checkbook while she is on the phone with BOA. The checkbook is not in the car.

Cindy calls Amy around 11 p.m. to tell her Caylee has been missing for a month. Amy told Cindy Casey had emptied her bank account. Cindy said "Casey was with the cops and she asked her if she had done it and she said Casey admitted that she had written all the checks."

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Tony found out about the checkbook the evening of the 15th. After everyone (Casey, Cindy & Amy) left, he was in the dark about what was going on and he called Amy. She told him to check his account and everyone else at his apt should do the same because Casey took money from Amy.

jmo


thanks for that refresher Desmom....so Tony must have asked her about it the morning of the 16th when she talked to him....fits in just perfectly....

[Pooh]

Wow....at 10:17 pm last night Casey Marie Anthony added me as her friend on Facebook!

Really?? I don't know whether to be happy for you or afraid for you! LOL

[marshmallow]

No chance it will ever see a court if this is true.





I can only speakfor myself but to me the ZG lawsuit is about as important as anything the BH says. In the Caylee scope of things, it really doesn't matter. Casey is the only person we should focus on to look for Caylee and this ZG stuff is just side fluff.

[spiritwolf46]

IIRC, she was interviewed from a hotel room because she was out of work and couldn't get an apartment. Also, IIRC, she said she won't accept hand outs and the only one helping her is her oldest son. Could be thinking of something else so stand to be corrected. JMO.

Thanks for answering this Rose. My computer froze up and I was unable to get to it.

I think you hit the nail on the head. At least this is what I was understanding of her as well. I DO feel for her, so very badly. She is not in this for her fame, I just think that she has had enough!

Thank you again SO much for this Rose. :seeya:

[summer4meplz]

Thanks y'all. We will get through it. :seeya:

Does anyone think that Casey's title change from POI to Suspect means that they have more conclusive tests back?


oh most definitely...somewhere, back there, upthread, it was mentioned that the difference between the poi and suspect is that with suspect means they have evidence....poi they don't have evidence...i hope i understood that correctly....

[Regina.Lampert]

IIRC, in her earlier interview (where her face wasn't shown), ZG said she had looked at several complexes, in addition to Sawgrass.

Apparently she and Casey were looking around the same time.
You know, the more I think about this the more I think perhaps anthony did get her personal information from an apartment lease info card where all of them visited. If that's true, it could explain the civil action, because it goes to anthony specifically pointing to THAT Zenaida Gonzolez. Time will tell.

[RockStarGirl]

A possible theory as to how Casey chose Zenaida...

If one leans toward the theory that Zanny was her nickname for Xanax, which she used to make Caylee sleep at parties, etc...(the "babysitter")...
Perhaps she came across the card at Sawgrass and saw the name Zenaida... It has been stated that she went to school with a Zenaida...maybe her nickname was Zanny...and Casey processed the memory...and thought...Hey...Zanny...Zenaida...and stored it in her "I can absolutely use this name to explain Zanny if I ever need to...yeah..."
Then...she does a little myspace search, gets a few facts...grains of truth...(whatEVER they might be)...
There is a Z Fernandez in the band at Colonial High School... etc...
just tossing around a few ideas

JMO

ITA!! I was thinking the exact thing. I don't believe she was smart enough to put a lot of thought into it, but it is too much of a coincidence that this woman looked at the apt. that Casey says she dropped Caylee off to. This is the only way I can find that makes the most sense. JMO

[nana6]

I noticed that last night as well. Near the end of the call. It was painful to listen to. There is no way she could have faked that. That's one of the reasons I can safely say that Cindy had nothing to do with Caylee's death.

Hi Frankie, I noticed too. I said last night that it was clear as day that Cindy was truly upset when she was on the phone with LE and George walked in the house just then. She said George, Caylee is missing. She sounded truly frightened and then after that she went into her defensive mode. I believe if George had come home sooner she never would have made the call to the police. He would have informed her. He asked her if she called the police and she said shewas on the phone with them now.

[summer4meplz]

Wow....at 10:17 pm last night Casey Marie Anthony added me as her friend on Facebook!



I would be so careful about anything I said to her....I have facebook because I play games with my sister, and I've thought about asking her to be friend and play some hangman with me....but a little nagging worry kept me from it...so just be careful....:)

[spiritwolf46]

A link to explain why ZG is suing. I am sure this was out there already, but wanted to put it up again for those (like me ;)) who did not see it.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17553419/detail.html

[Pooh]

I loved the Jesse Grund interview on the Today Show this morning. He seems like such a good guy. He would have made a great father for Caylee. I loved what he said when Matt Lauer asked him if he had anything to say to Casey if she was listening. Tell the Truth!!!

[Boxer]

oh most definitely...somewhere, back there, upthread, it was mentioned that the difference between the poi and suspect is that with suspect means they have evidence....poi they don't have evidence...i hope i understood that correctly....

that's what I thought it meant. Thanks! Hopefully they will arrest her soon.

[nana6]

Yes, that would be perfect. Dreaming further, ZG could go to community college and get a trade. Suppport her kids in a better way. Let one good thing come out of this nightmare.

well I agree. She really deserves something good to happen after all of this mess

[jessie]

Did anyone notice the Cindy 911 call that Nancy played last night? Did she play MORE of it than we have heard before? Cindy was crying and hysterical and could barely get the words out. I had never heard that before.

Oh am I hallucinating?

And the part where George came in and she was telling him Caylee was missing. I had not heard that before. I believe she was truly very upset. I dont believe they believe Casey, but they wont disbelieve her either. I just dont know what to say anymore, so dont post too much.

[RockStarGirl]

OK, here is another theory. She saw the Zenaida name on the apt. guest card. This gave her a name that matched the nic name she had been using all along "Zanny" that could have been actually Xanax. There were searches for "Zenaida" somewhere around July 15-16th. Either right before or right after Casey was arrested. It is possible that Cindy did these searches and then the conversation went something like, "Hey Casey is this the Zenaida you left Caylee with? The one with the silver car, etc., etc." Maybe Cindy helped create the nanny details without ever realizing it. Or maybe she helped because Casey didn't have enough details in her story? Either way is very possible IMO.

[spiritwolf46]

And the part where George came in and she was telling him Caylee was missing. I had not heard that before. I believe she was truly very upset. I dont believe they believe Casey, but they wont disbelieve her either. I just dont know what to say anymore, so dont post too much.

Hiya Jessie. This case sure does mess with your head, doesn't it? I know how you are feeling. It is almost exhausting trying to figure out this family. ;)

[jammies]

Tell her hello for me and to RUN.. :cool:



......when the webcam is LIVE!

[FeelinFroggy617]

I noticed that last night as well. Near the end of the call. It was painful to listen to. There is no way she could have faked that. That's one of the reasons I can safely say that Cindy had nothing to do with Caylee's death.

Hi Frankie! :seeya: I totally agree that Cindy didn't have anything to do with the death of Caylee but I sure blame her just as much NOW for all the cover ups and lying she has done to protect her daughter! As a mother, I would love and support my children unconditionally but do what she is doing.... NEVER!!! I've taught my children that whatever mistakes you make, you take responsibility for them and pay the price. Whatever it may be. I will never excuse George and Cindys behavior. And I hope that Casey sits in prison for the rest of her life.
JMO
This case is so heart wrenching isnt it?

[jammies]

And the part where George came in and she was telling him Caylee was missing. I had not heard that before. I believe she was truly very upset. I dont believe they believe Casey, but they wont disbelieve her either. I just dont know what to say anymore, so dont post too much.



That's the part that's new. Odd how after all these weeks, months we hear that.

[steffaroob4]

You know, the more I think about this the more I think perhaps anthony did get her personal information from an apartment lease info card where all of them visited. If that's true, it could explain the civil action, because it goes to anthony specifically pointing to THAT Zenaida Gonzolez. Time will tell.

The guy that knows casey and lived at Sawgrass was talking about the layout of the complex. The office has a door to the gym, I can't imagine someone being at the desk 24/7. You need a card to get into gym, I think.

That being said, I find nothing helpful even thinking about ZG, it is just another distraction.

[RockStarGirl]

The only problem with this theory is that the searches for ZFG took place on July 16th, after Casey gave the name to LE. It's been speculated that Cindy or Lee were doing the searches while LE had Casey with them proving all her lies before arresting her. JMO.

Right, but it was in a conversation to Lee from the jail that she gave the description of the car and some other details. I wonder if she talked to Cindy first and got the details from her. KWIM?

[FrankieBones1]

Hi Frankie! :seeya: I totally agree that Cindy didn't have anything to do with the death of Caylee but I sure blame her just as much NOW for all the cover ups and lying she has done to protect her daughter! As a mother, I would love and support my children unconditionally but do what she is doing.... NEVER!!! I've taught my children that whatever mistakes you make, you take responsibility for them and pay the price. Whatever it may be. I will never excuse George and Cindys behavior. And I hope that Casey sits in prison for the rest of her life.
JMO
This case is so heart wrenching isnt it?
I agree. There's nothing quite like tough love.

[tiny paw-prints]

Hi Frankie, I noticed too. I said last night that it was clear as day that Cindy was truly upset when she was on the phone with LE and George walked in the house just then. She said George, Caylee is missing. She sounded truly frightened and then after that she went into her defensive mode. I believe if George had come home sooner she never would have made the call to the police. He would have informed her. He asked her if she called the police and she said shewas on the phone with them now.

I think there's some portions of the 911 calls that we haven't yet heard. I've read that it was Lee who suggested to Cindy not to make that 3rd 911 call, maybe in the hope that he could get some more info from Casey during that timeframe.

Does anyone know if Casey had a stroller for Caylee? TIA

[marshmallow]

The donations and vigils are for Caylee, that would have nothing to do with Casey...

JMO

I disagree, prayers were offered for the not just for Caylee but also asking God to help the Anthony family endure hostility from others

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-vigil2908sep29,0,1630524.story



very self-serving of them.

[RockStarGirl]

I disagree, prayers were offered for the not just for Caylee but also asking God to help the Anthony family endure hostility from others


very self-serving of them.

Someone should pray that there eyes get opened and therefore do not have to endure hostility from others. Stop believing the totally unbelievable and the lies that have been completely proven as lies and voila, no hostility!!

[Ellie]

Oh please, really, with all respect.

What really happened to her?

Are you telling me there is one employer on the planet that said, hey Zenaida, we cant hire you because Casey said you took her daughter, but the cops dont believe it, but we still wont hire you?

Oh, she got some fashion advice on how to conceal her tatoos and got on Nancy and milked the poor victim role, which to me it looked like she wasn't feeling anything but being star struck.

moo

Yeah, I gotta agree with you. I also saw on NG last night that ZG has 'experienced bleeding ulcers, uterine fibriods, weight loss...' A grocery list of physical ailments. If she had honestly has been diagnosed with uterine fibroids, those babies were growing in there long before any of this. You don't just 'get' bleeding ulcers, uterine fibroids, etc. over a period of 3 months.

I, too, would like to see her employment history, previous landlord references, etc. She was no angel before this I am sure, and she's already done all she really needs to do to 'clear her good name'. Besides, as someone else said... how many ZG's are there in this world? Probably more than a couple.

Both she and her no-neck lawyer are seeing nothing but dollar signs.

[Pooh]

Someone should pray that there eyes get opened and therefore do not have to endure hostility from others. Stop believing the totally unbelievable and the lies that have been completely proven as lies and voila, no hostility!!
I totally agree with you, Rock. It appears Mark Hacking's parents were one in a million.

[FrankieBones1]

OK, here is another theory. She saw the Zenaida name on the apt. guest card. This gave her a name that matched the nic name she had been using all along "Zanny" that could have been actually Xanax. There were searches for "Zenaida" somewhere around July 15-16th. Either right before or right after Casey was arrested. It is possible that Cindy did these searches and then the conversation went something like, "Hey Casey is this the Zenaida you left Caylee with? The one with the silver car, etc., etc." Maybe Cindy helped create the nanny details without ever realizing it. Or maybe she helped because Casey didn't have enough details in her story? Either way is very possible IMO.

That is quite possible. There's no way that office could have been secure 24/7. As far as Casey is concerned; where there's a will, there's a way. I think she was able to access the office easily.

[Lilly12]

Thanks Des, it's very annoying cuz I type fast and this in interfering with that........:mad:

Anywho, Matt basically went over the case with Jesse, asking him about his relationship with casey. Jesse said:

He took a polygraph and passed and will be a witness
He was first attracted to casey because she carried herself well, was smart, sarcastic and fun to be around.

She stole money from him

She text messaged him, telling him she was pregnant. He did the math and didn't really think it was possible, but didn't want to miss out on anything with the baby on the off chance he was the Dad.


He pushed for the paternity test, was disappointed when he learned he wasn't the father.

When Caylee was an infant casey was a very good mother, devoted and Caylee was the center of her universe.

His relationship with her ended when the "transformation" occurred, she began to drink, lie and party. He said that as she got closer to her mother she changed and the bad behavior began. (IMO, this is an attempt to get back at cynthia for her accusing him during her interview by LE.)

Sarcastic? He likes that! I don't..... is it is just me?......I do not like sarcasm, in any way, shape or form.

Sarcasm.....1. A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.......2. A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.

I know everyone knows the definition of sarcasm.....but it sobering to read, in my opinion. Anyone feel the same?

[Joan Weiss]

I don't necessarily agree that she's involved with the case, but I do see her as an opportunist. I don't buy the assertion that she lost her job over the adverse publicity. Perhaps it was a situation like that of Anthony Rusciano and there was more to the story. She may have been a terrible employee and the employer saw this as an excuse to fire her.

Zenaida reminds me of the Wendy's chili-finger lady.

Yeah, you are right about the Wendys lady, but something is not right with this woman. I really dont buy Casey got the name off a questionaire, I mean were her two daughters with her when she looked at Sawgrass, because originally I heard it was her boyfriend, or sister, or something, can anyone clarify that? And if they were not there, why just put down two of the kids names? If Sawgrass never saw Casey in the office how did she see the questionnaire.

This is the most exciting thing to ever happen to Zenaida and she knows it and that why shes milking it for all its worth, and its sick. I think this is one shady lady. moo

We already know all about Casey, I was asking about Zenaida, and why she is being handled with such respect is really beyond me especially when she was visited by the cops the first time she never corrected them and said I was in Sawgrass in April not June, because thats EXACTLY what she did, then she got away with that story, till the media discovered the discrepancy and alerted the cops and they went and re questioned her.

And yes, I do think this is one the most exciting things that has ever happened to her, yes. moo

:lol:Ebeneezer Scrooge LMAO.

Seriously, she can reach out for help. She was gainfully employed so she most likely qualifies for unemployment and with so many kids, welfare too. Pride cometh before the fall so she needs to reach out for help. I don't begrudge her the lawsuit. I say go for it! I don't think she'll get a penny and she shouldn't count on that lawsuit for any future income. IMO, a responsible parent would stop appearing on TV shows and haul butt down to the state agencies that get help her out. ITA, time are tough all around, she doesn't have to make them tougher on her kids by not getting assistance. Just my opinion, not Charles Dickens' opinion. :)Well, come on now. How would you all like it if your life was turned upside down, and every time the phone rang you anticipated a death threat? Maybe pictured an angry mob outside your door? You lost your job, and your home? You have children to take care of...
All because of a selfish, odious creature who destroyed your peaceful life. Get real. Going to the media is the first best thing to do, for protection. imo

[tiny paw-prints]

I read and heard Leee's interview differently. I understood him to say he looked at his mother like go ahead call she's not going to give us anything further. IIRC, he told LE Casey refused to tell him where Caylee was and wouldn't agree to any of his suggestions to go check on her so he gave his mother the go ahead to call. Stand to be corrected.

You're interpretation is probably correct. Maybe it was George who suggested to Cindy that it might have been premature to make that 3rd 911 call? I still think there's portions of the call that we haven't yet heard.

Does anyone know if Casey had a stroller for Caylee?

[Pooh]

Sarcastic? He likes that! I don't..... is it is just me?......I do not like sarcasm, in any way, shape or form.

Sarcasm.....1. A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.......2. A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.

I know everyone knows the definition of sarcasm.....but it sobering to read, in my opinion. Anyone feel the same?
IIRC, he said sarcastic humor. Not being sarcastic.

[crymeariver2006]

I understand. Unfortunately, once Casey got to jail she refused to talk to LE anymore. I think Cindy and/or Lee researched ZFG on line to find out further information and from there developed their stories. I'm sure once Casey was sprung they fed her the "facts" too. Any further details we get about Zanny is from Cindy, George, Lee and Lenny. IIRC, the silver car was first made known by Lenny when he started spinning the Blanchard Park kidnapping theory. I don't recall Casey ever talking about the car, but I could be wrong, there's a lot of conflicting information in this case and it's so easy to get folk's statements confused. JMHO.

The car was described in Lee's email to Yuri. That was way before Lenny ever got involved.

So even though, Casey didn't pick out ZG's photo, the "accusation" continued.

[num1barb]

I beg to differ that the uterine fibroids would take longer than three months to develop, that's just not true in the experiences of other women I know.
I've heard more than one ob/gyn say that they are caused by and exacerbated by STRESS.

MOO of course, based on what I've heard from my daughters and been told by their ob/gyns.

[callmetree]

Please light a Candle for Caylee

click any unlit candle to begin

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:

as always... thank you bluwaters!:seeya:

[crymeariver2006]

That is quite possible. There's no way that office could have been secure 24/7. As far as Casey is concerned; where there's a will, there's a way. I think she was able to access the office easily.

I just don't think she got the information from the Sawgrass office. Maybe at another complex that they both looked at, maybe she had someone run the tag.....

JMO though.

[spiritwolf46]

Well, come on now. How would you all like it if your life was turned upside down, and every time the phone rang you anticipated a death threat? Maybe pictured an angry mob outside your door? You lost your job, and your home? You have children to take care of...
All because of a selfish, odious creature who destroyed your peaceful life. Get real. Going to the media is the first best thing to do, for protection. imo

WELL said! Thank you! :beer:

[ruth66]

No, you are correct. She and her attorney said it has nothing to do with money, but it is the principle of what Casey has done to her and her life.

The bashing went on last night as well. It just boggles the mind that people can judge someone who did not put herself into this situation but yet she is the "horrible", "bad", "Shady lady". With all the evidence that Casey has stolen from family and friends, lied to anyone that would listen, not to mention her mother seems to have picked up her plight as well and we are going to sit here on this board day in and day out and accuse ZG of being the big bad wolf in all of this. I don't know this lady from adam, but holy cow I would hope that there was a little compassion for actual victims here.:shrug:

[Joan Weiss]

Yeah, I gotta agree with you. I also saw on NG last night that ZG has 'experienced bleeding ulcers, uterine fibriods, weight loss...' A grocery list of physical ailments. If she had honestly has been diagnosed with uterine fibroids, those babies were growing in there long before any of this. You don't just 'get' bleeding ulcers, uterine fibroids, etc. over a period of 3 months.

I, too, would like to see her employment history, previous landlord references, etc. She was no angel before this I am sure, and she's already done all she really needs to do to 'clear her good name'. Besides, as someone else said... how many ZG's are there in this world? Probably more than a couple.

Both she and her no-neck lawyer are seeing nothing but dollar signs.And what would you do, if that happened to you? It's not, you're sitting at your computer, and all's right with YOUR world. imo

[margaret kep]

thanks for that refresher Desmom....so Tony must have asked her about it the morning of the 16th when she talked to him....fits in just perfectly....


I'm confused here. Is Amy the person some one said early on that was not wlcomed in Cindy's house because she was spanish and Cindy didn't like spanish people? The same one she called for help when trying to find Casey? And didn't ZFG sound spanish to her and it was OK to watch babysit her granddaughter? Very confusing:shrug:

[summer4meplz]

All I have to say I read how poor Zenaida had to wake up and her life changed forever, and whats going to happen to her, shes going to be commenting on outrageous cop scenes, she has lost nothing obviously it sounds like to begin with, she could have just distanced herself and not did any interviews and take the high road, no one thought she really did anything anyways initially after Casey blew the cops minds with her Universal stunt. Poor Zenaida, who is now showing us what her face looks like, as to before she didn't even want to be seen, blech.

Then we have the Anthonys who woke up one day and smelled their decomposing grandaughter in the trunk of a car they knew their daughter had and was avoiding them, and their worst fears are confirmed. Cindy takes more heat than Casey does because she was just the worst mother on the face of the earth to some because she isn't acting the way others think she should, and she should have just seen the warning signs something was wrong with Casey, setting aside the FACT Cindy was seeing someone to talk to about Casey and what to do. I am glad everyone who throws stones at Cindy have raised perfect children and have perfect marriages.

moo


Why do you hate Zenaida so much? Do you know her in real life?

[Pooh]

The bashing went on last night as well. It just boggles the mind that people can judge someone who did not put herself into this situation but yet she is the "horrible", "bad", "Shady lady". With all the evidence that Casey has stolen from family and friends, lied to anyone that would listen, not to mention her mother seems to have picked up her plight as well and we are going to sit here on this board day in and day out and accuse ZG of being the big bad wolf in all of this. I don't know this lady from adam, but holy cow I would hope that there was a little compassion for actual victims here.:shrug:
Me too, ruth! I boggles the mind that some people can be so cold to REAL victims. I hope those people never come upon hard times at the hand of another.

[Joan Weiss]

All I have to say I read how poor Zenaida had to wake up and her life changed forever, and whats going to happen to her, shes going to be commenting on outrageous cop scenes, she has lost nothing obviously it sounds like to begin with, she could have just distanced herself and not did any interviews and take the high road, no one thought she really did anything anyways initially after Casey blew the cops minds with her Universal stunt. Poor Zenaida, who is now showing us what her face looks like, as to before she didn't even want to be seen, blech.

Then we have the Anthonys who woke up one day and smelled their decomposing grandaughter in the trunk of a car they knew their daughter had and was avoiding them, and their worst fears are confirmed. Cindy takes more heat than Casey does because she was just the worst mother on the face of the earth to some because she isn't acting the way others think she should, and she should have just seen the warning signs something was wrong with Casey, setting aside the FACT Cindy was seeing someone to talk to about Casey and what to do. I am glad everyone who throws stones at Cindy have raised perfect children and have perfect marriages.

mooYes, let's worry about Cindy, not the innocent woman whose life was disrupted by that odious creature. :rolleyes: imo

[crymeariver2006]

I'm confused here. Is Amy the person some one said early on that was not wlcomed in Cindy's house because she was spanish and Cindy didn't like spanish people? The same one she called for help when trying to find Casey? And didn't ZFG sound spanish to her and it was OK to watch babysit her granddaughter? Very confusing:shrug:

That was KioMarie who said that, not Amy.

And I don't think the Anthonys had ever heard of the name "Zenaida" prior to 7/15/08.

[num1barb]

WOW.
I for one have NEVER said I raised perfect children or have a perfect marriage, and I haven't seen anyone else on this board says that they have. I don't get to read every post though. Maybe I miss a lot in the evening threads???

[summer4meplz]

I'm confused here. Is Amy the person some one said early on that was not wlcomed in Cindy's house because she was spanish and Cindy didn't like spanish people? The same one she called for help when trying to find Casey? And didn't ZFG sound spanish to her and it was OK to watch babysit her granddaughter? Very confusing:shrug:


No, that was kiomarie, iirc, amy is the newest friend...cindy found her number when they were cleaning the car....

kiomarie is a childhood friend from school...she's the one that told casey she wanted to adopt her baby....she's also the one that said casey called to ask to borrow money...then she suddenly said,,,oh no, it was my black casey friend that wanted to borrow money....kiomarie's b/f would not let them look at their phone records....

[Joan Weiss]

Hey Joan:seeya: My posts weren't intended to be disparaging to ZG. I think she should go for her lawsuit. But I also think she's needs to put aside her pride and get some help from the state. She has young ones that need to be housed, clothed and fed, IMO. She also needs to change her phone number and make it private. I agree that Casey is the lowest creature walking the face of the earth at this very moment and she will ultimately be called to pay for the horrible things she has done. I'm sure before ZG takes the stand, LE and the DA will have investigated her completely and the truth of the horrors she has endured will be proven in a court of law and those Casey supporters will finally realize they have been duped by the liar of the century. JMO.She shouldn't have to "put aside her pride." She should change her phone number? Her life has been turned upside down. Yeh, what do any of you know about that? imo

[spiritwolf46]

The bashing went on last night as well. It just boggles the mind that people can judge someone who did not put herself into this situation but yet she is the "horrible", "bad", "Shady lady". With all the evidence that Casey has stolen from family and friends, lied to anyone that would listen, not to mention her mother seems to have picked up her plight as well and we are going to sit here on this board day in and day out and accuse ZG of being the big bad wolf in all of this. I don't know this lady from adam, but holy cow I would hope that there was a little compassion for actual victims here.:shrug:

You are exactly right Ruth. As for the ANthony's getting help for Casey and trying to figure out what to do with her before this happened, I say that was TOO LITTLE/TOO LATE! THEY knew how Casey was and who Casey was WAY before this horrible act took place. As for ZG, she did nothing to warrant what she got. I will not bash this woman for that EVER!

[barskin&co.]

Oh please, really, with all respect.

What really happened to her?

Are you telling me there is one employer on the planet that said, hey Zenaida, we cant hire you because Casey said you took her daughter, but the cops dont believe it, but we still wont hire you?

Oh, she got some fashion advice on how to conceal her tatoos and got on Nancy and milked the poor victim role, which to me it looked like she wasn't feeling anything but being star struck.

moo

What realy happened to her. Well, for one thing, she is a woman who had nothing to do with this whole horrible situaton, yet has to face people on public message boards saying things like this:

10-01-2008, 04:38 PM
CiaoBella
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Missouri
Posts: 325


Oh please, now we have to pay to change her name, are you serious? Like she is the only Zenaida Gonzalas in florida or the world, if anyone in this story its trash, its her, and I want her to be honest on how she knows Casey, because she probably does. moo

[num1barb]

Why do you hate Zenaida so much? Do you know her in real life?


because she went "off script" and wouldn't take the fall? :shrug:

[margaret kep]

And what would you do, if that happened to you? It's not, you're sitting at your computer, and all's right with YOUR world. imo


I can Honestly attest to getting these ailments in a short time. When I left the father of my children (he was an abuser and threathen my life many times) and especially after I left. He would call me at work threatening etc., I experienced all that this girl ZFG is going thru. If you want to check my health records you can do so. I don't have to state JMO because it is fact.

[Joan Weiss]

I beg to differ that the uterine fibroids would take longer than three months to develop, that's just not true in the experiences of other women I know.
I've heard more than one ob/gyn say that they are caused by and exacerbated by STRESS.

MOO of course, based on what I've heard from my daughters and been told by their ob/gyns.I think she could have had a heart attack, so hopefully this legal suit will alleviate her stress. imo

[summer4meplz]

Yeah, I just got to Baezs office and am trying to throw the blame off me.:D

I just want to know a few things, thats all.

Why did Zenaida not correct the cops on the date she was at Sawgrass, why did she lead them to believe she was there in April like they thought because they couldnt read the handwriting? Did they just say, hey Zenaida, were you ever at Sawgrass ever, and didn't ask a particular date?


Zenaida is so irrelevant to Caylee....imo

[Joan Weiss]

Yeah, I just got to Baezs office and am trying to throw the blame off me.:D

I just want to know a few things, thats all.

Why did Zenaida not correct the cops on the date she was at Sawgrass, why did she lead them to believe she was there in April like they thought because they couldnt read the handwriting? Did they just say, hey Zenaida, were you ever at Sawgrass ever, and didn't ask a particular date?Maybe she didn't remember, or maybe she was paralyzed with fear. Have you ever been visited by the cops and told you were a person of interest in a child kidnapping? imo

[FeelinFroggy617]

Yeah, I just got to Baezs office and am trying to throw the blame off me.:D

I just want to know a few things, thats all.

Why did Zenaida not correct the cops on the date she was at Sawgrass, why did she lead them to believe she was there in April like they thought because they couldnt read the handwriting? Did they just say, hey Zenaida, were you ever at Sawgrass ever, and didn't ask a particular date?


With all due respect, I think are more important questions that need answered in this case. Like where is Caylee and what did Casey do with her?

[tiny paw-prints]

The guy that knows casey and lived at Sawgrass was talking about the layout of the complex. The office has a door to the gym, I can't imagine someone being at the desk 24/7. You need a card to get into gym, I think.

That being said, I find nothing helpful even thinking about ZG, it is just another distraction.

I had heard that it was DanteS and AnnieD who lived at the Sawgrass Apartment and they were a couple who recently broke up? Access into the gym without a card wouldn't be too difficult--just enter when someone exits the door! Since the gym and rental office were connected, perhaps Casey waited until the moment of that opportunity arrived by lingering or hovering over a rental application desk?

[purplepoints]

I'm confused here. Is Amy the person some one said early on that was not wlcomed in Cindy's house because she was spanish and Cindy didn't like spanish people? The same one she called for help when trying to find Casey? And didn't ZFG sound spanish to her and it was OK to watch babysit her granddaughter? Very confusing:shrug:


Did Cindy say that, or was that just one of Casey's lies?

[margaritaville]

ITA. She was getting him lined up before Amy realized she stole from her, and TonyL realized she was a sociopath and pathological liar.

I too wonder why she spent so much money if she wanted to leave, but maybe that's why the escort website searches...she was trying to figure out how long (or how many times) she'd have to "escort" to get enough money to go to cali....

I wonder if there were any searches for plane, train or bus travel to cali?

MOO

Heck, at this point she could have hitchhiked........As long as she had enough cash for food.........moo

[threesnugbugs]

Maybe she didn't remember, or maybe she was paralyzed with fear. Have you ever been visited by the cops and told you were a person of interest in a child kidnapping? imo

If this happened to me, I would probably need to be sedated. I can see panic attack, after panic attack, being accused of something I didn't do and not being able to explain how I'm not involved. No, let me change that--I would definitely need to be sedated--I can't imagine how that would turn my life upside down.

[num1barb]

This is all I want to know, and it never, ever gets answered, because it bothers me a whole bunch.


I wasn't there so I don't know for sure, but could it have been that she was so blown away by being suddenly thrust into this tragic situation though no fault of her own, that she didn't realize until later once she'd had time to think about it, that it was actually june that she went there?

[summer4meplz]

This is all I want to know, and it never, ever gets answered, because it bothers me a whole bunch.


I just don't understand why you don't understand zenaida has absolutely nothing to do with Caylee.....and the more you want to dig into her life......she more it convinces me that she has a very good point about her name being dragged through the mud for no reason...unless you are suggesting zenaida murdered Caylee and put her in poor victim casey's trunk.....

[jakee]

No, that was kiomarie, iirc, amy is the newest friend...cindy found her number when they were cleaning the car....

kiomarie is a childhood friend from school...she's the one that told casey she wanted to adopt her baby....she's also the one that said casey called to ask to borrow money...then she suddenly said,,,oh no, it was my black casey friend that wanted to borrow money....kiomarie's b/f would not let them look at their phone records....


Good morning,

Now why would the b/f not let them look at phone records? Weird. IMO

[Elle]

(respectfully snipped)

And I didn't think of tatoos, manicures and parties for one split second. I wonder what's wrong with me?

JMHO...

For me, its that there was no change, nobody noticed anything out of the ordinary,she suddenly did not party more nor did she party less, did not seem happier or sadder, just the same ole same ole, ordinary Casey, ordinary day...after day, after day. Chilling. IMO, MOO


btw, does anyone know how I can change my nic.? Do I have to join again and start all over? There is another poster who has a similar nic. and I want to avoid possible confusion. TIA



imo, moo

[trich]

The donations and vigils are for Caylee, that would have nothing to do with Casey...

JMO



Supposedly!!!!

But IMO I think it has turned into all about Casey now.

[bballgrl]

This is all I want to know, and it never, ever gets answered, because it bothers me a whole bunch.

It doesn't get answered because we don't KNOW the answers. We are not Zenaida. I am sure that she wasn't thinking etc... who the flip cares. She is embroiled in this mess thanks to Casey... end of story.

[Pooh]

I think she could have had a heart attack, so hopefully this legal suit will alleviate her stress. imo
I hope so too. She needs to let her attorney take on all the stress and handle this situation for her now. I'm glad she has someone in her corner!

[Joan Weiss]

Well, you get your victims and witnesses as they come, in real life. What difference does it make if ZG was a fine upstanding very employed lady with a manageable number of children, good credit, her own home, no tattoos, conservative in her dress and manner....shes still be in this mess as a victim. God forbid any one of us found ourselves in such a predicament, for NONE of us are perfect.

I just hope she doesn't throw in the 'race card', because that really bugs me when people throw that in.
Remember that guy that was accused of being the olympic bomber?
And he wasn't?
His life was turned inside out.
Its not fair that she should suffer a further carpy life, due to this selfish
monster. She didn't ask for it, she didn't deserve it, and I hope it can somehow be turned around for her to make her life for the better.
My 2 cents. :(Exactly so. The poor woman lost her job and her home. She has children to take care of. She's done nothing to deserve this. She had a cleaning job. That's hard work; she was taking care of her family. That's honorable, imo.

[Ellie]

I beg to differ that the uterine fibroids would take longer than three months to develop, that's just not true in the experiences of other women I know.
I've heard more than one ob/gyn say that they are caused by and exacerbated by STRESS.

MOO of course, based on what I've heard from my daughters and been told by their ob/gyns.

Ok, well maybe you know more about this stuff than I do, all I am saying is that I highly doubt that all this stuff started happening solely because she has the same name as the person Casey is saying kidnapped her daughter.

I do have one question... how come no one is in Puerto Rico searcing?

[Rayosunshine]

Found it... Page 282 of the documents

Tony L: "Why would you need to take money from your friend's account? And she goes I needed for some kind of backup plan. I was like, what kind of backup plan you talking about. And she's like, oh don't. I was like, I don't want to hear about no back plan. I don't want to hear anything that you have to say about stuff like that. And she's like, oh no nothing like that. I'm like, I don't...just don't say anything about that I don't want to hear it."

Is this in the first set of documents or second? A Tony L. interview or cell record? thanks

[steffaroob4]

I had heard that it was DanteS and AnnieD who lived at the Sawgrass Apartment and they were a couple who recently broke up? Access into the gym without a card wouldn't be too difficult--just enter when someone exits the door! Since the gym and rental office were connected, perhaps Casey waited until the moment of that opportunity arrived by lingering or hovering over a rental application desk?

That's my thinking, it makes sense. It is not like the renting office was leaving secret documents out in the open, it was nothing more than a guest card. If was something like a rental agreement with more info, I don't think that would be just laying around.

[Joan Weiss]

No, I never suggested Zenaida murdered anyone, I just think she knows a bit more than she is saying. If I am wrong, its not the first and it wont be the last, but something strikes me as wrong with that woman.

If someone came to my door, and asked me about being implicated in a missing child I would sure make the cops know exactly what date I indeed wen there, instead of misleading them, I would have corrected them because to be accused of being somewhere around the same time a child was allegedly handed to me, I would just want to make my wearabouts crystal clear. mooYeh, you would be razor sharp. :rolleyes:

imo

[spiritwolf46]

I can state as FACT that when my B/F was missing and then found out he was murdered I could not answer a lot of questions that LE was asking me. I was in complete shock and I knew he was missing! I had to make call after call back to them to give them dates of certain things that I thought were pertinent.

It does not surprise me one bit that ZG could not remember a date right off the top of her head after this BOMBSHELL (:D) was laid on her! This was NOT HER FAULT!

:rose: For CAYLEE

[steffaroob4]

Can someone remind me if there is a pretrial hearing for the Nov. 17th court case on neglect?

[marshmallow]

Well, come on now. How would you all like it if your life was turned upside down, and every time the phone rang you anticipated a death threat? Maybe pictured an angry mob outside your door? You lost your job, and your home? You have children to take care of...
All because of a selfish, odious creature who destroyed your peaceful life. Get real. Going to the media is the first best thing to do, for protection. imo



I agree, although I don't think her suit is important in the Caylee case. I do think that regardless of who/what ZG was before this, Casey used her name and implied that a ZG did something truely horrific.
I hope no one thinks ZG deserved being dragged into this mess because we may not like the # of kids she has or her tattoos.
No matter what type of person ZG was, it shouldn't matter. She didn't deserve to be brought into this and her name used to cast blame away from Casey. Yes, Casey and Cindy backtracked fast as soon as ZG was cleared but the damage was already done.

(Joan, not picking at you, your post is just the one I used as a springboard for my opinion)

[FrankieBones1]

In case any of you missed this yesterday: The witness list

http://www.wesh.com/news/17601789/detail.html

[spiritwolf46]

No, I never suggested Zenaida murdered anyone, I just think she knows a bit more than she is saying. If I am wrong, its not the first and it wont be the last, but something strikes me as wrong with that woman.

If someone came to my door, and asked me about being implicated in a missing child I would sure make the cops know exactly what date I indeed was there, instead of misleading them, I would have corrected them because to be accused of being somewhere around the same time a child was allegedly handed to me, I would just want to make my wearabouts crystal clear. moo

It is good to know what you SURE tell the cops, since you have never been in a position such as this. Nice to be able to say that when you have never been in a position such as this.

Thanks for that! :seeya:

[Elle]

I wonder if Casey was telling Amy that she could get her a job at Universal. Amy asks Casey in a text how it's going with the resume's, and where Amy's resume was found in Casey's car, I am thinking it was just one more thing Casey lied about.

imo, moo

(sorry if this has been discussed, I am behind and am trying to catch up

[num1barb]

No, I never suggested Zenaida murdered anyone, I just think she knows a bit more than she is saying. If I am wrong, its not the first and it wont be the last, but something strikes me as wrong with that woman.

If someone came to my door, and asked me about being implicated in a missing child I would sure make the cops know exactly what date I indeed was there, instead of misleading them, I would have corrected them because to be accused of being somewhere around the same time a child was allegedly handed to me, I would just want to make my wearabouts crystal clear. moo


I understand what you're saying, I just don't think she PURPOSEFULLY mislead LE.

An Honest mistake. She has since corrected it.

I wish that princesspantsonfire would stop her deliberate and purposeful misleading of LE.

[bballgrl]

Ok, well maybe you know more about this stuff than I do, all I am saying is that I highly doubt that all this stuff started happening solely because she has the same name as the person Casey is saying kidnapped her daughter.

I do have one question... how come no one is in Puerto Rico searcing?

What an awesome question. I was thinking the same thing and I remember that GA said that there were 3 people searching for Caylee (like that is enough FGS) and then it just hit me.... Didn't Amy and 2 other guy friends go to PR? That would be 3 people. Is GA trying to get us to believe that they were searching for Caylee? LOL - I hope not, because that is a bunch of ROT! (Maybe my mind is following a dead end here- wouldn't be the first time)

[ruth66]

Yeah, I just got to Baezs office and am trying to throw the blame off me.:D

I just want to know a few things, thats all.

Why did Zenaida not correct the cops on the date she was at Sawgrass, why did she lead them to believe she was there in April like they thought because they couldnt read the handwriting? Did they just say, hey Zenaida, were you ever at Sawgrass ever, and didn't ask a particular date?

Do you know for fact that she didn't? Do you have access to ALL evidence and know something no one else does? Have you ever heard a recording of the interview with the police and ZG?
The fact that you would sarcastically say that you are trying to take the blame off of me....whatever (its in the post) just proves that you either don't take this case seriously and are hear just to frustrate and aggravate people or that you really are someone in the "KNOW" but not someone seeking justice for Caylee. I've got to say, I hope no one judges you through the same eyes you judge others, that would be a tradegy.....JMO:shrug:

[Joan Weiss]

They would have to sedate me right after they revived me with smelling salts.Me too, and if that didn't do it, the threatening phone calls would have driven me to the nearest mental hospital. imo

[martha]

I get so sad when I think about all this mess. The only one I worrie about is CAYLEE where is CAYLEE? I think I am to late to worrie about caylee tho. I think she is in God;s arms and if she is she is ok. I just pray for justice for her no matter who it is. I have never understood how a mother can give up a child but I sure wish casey had given caylee to someone that would have loved and took care of her. I hope one day we will know the truth about caylee but right now I just don;t see how we can know. The a;s or not telling the truth and no one elce will come forward and tell us about the a's. jmho:rose:

[Joan Weiss]

Do you know for fact that she didn't? Do you have access to ALL evidence and know something no one else does? Have you ever heard a recording of the interview with the police and ZG?
The fact that you would sarcastically say that you are trying to take the blame off of me....whatever (its in the post) just proves that you either don't take this case seriously and are hear just to frustrate and aggravate people or that you really are someone in the "KNOW" but not someone seeking justice for Caylee. I've got to say, I hope no one judges you through the same eyes you judge others, that would be a tradegy.....JMO:shrug:And karma is a beeotch. imo

[Regina.Lampert]

Yes, let's worry about Cindy, not the innocent woman whose life was disrupted by that odious creature. :rolleyes: imo

:eek: Are you using sarcastic humor Joanie.....lol?



I like it.

[FrankieBones1]

I just don't think she got the information from the Sawgrass office. Maybe at another complex that they both looked at, maybe she had someone run the tag.....

JMO though.
Good catch, River. I hadn't thought of that.

[num1barb]

Ok, well maybe you know more about this stuff than I do, all I am saying is that I highly doubt that all this stuff started happening solely because she has the same name as the person Casey is saying kidnapped her daughter.

I do have one question... how come no one is in Puerto Rico searcing?


That is a VERY good question. Why haven't the anthony's sent anyone there to look?? If they have what they deem to be credible leads, why no searches?

[purplepoints]

Found it... Page 282 of the documents

Tony L: "Why would you need to take money from your friend's account? And she goes I needed for some kind of backup plan. I was like, what kind of backup plan you talking about. And she's like, oh don't. I was like, I don't want to hear about no back plan. I don't want to hear anything that you have to say about stuff like that. And she's like, oh no nothing like that. I'm like, I don't...just don't say anything about that I don't want to hear it."


When I originally read this, from his reaction to her saying this, I thought she was saying that it was a back up plan for if the two of them didn't work out, because he had been teasing her about them not being together. So in a way, she was blaming it on him. But, rereading it here, I don't know what the heck all of that means. Looks like LE would have had him clarify that statement.

[margaret kep]

No, that was kiomarie, iirc, amy is the newest friend...cindy found her number when they were cleaning the car....

kiomarie is a childhood friend from school...she's the one that told casey she wanted to adopt her baby....she's also the one that said casey called to ask to borrow money...then she suddenly said,,,oh no, it was my black casey friend that wanted to borrow money....kiomarie's b/f would not let them look at their phone records....


Thank you Cry & Summer - you jogged my memory.:seeya:

[tiny paw-prints]

This is all I want to know, and it never, ever gets answered, because it bothers me a whole bunch.

Well, I don't believe the First name of Zenaida is too unusual for Casey because she went to school with a Zenaida! Maybe Casey Anthony and Zenaida Arroyo had a class together and/or maybe that Zenaida's nic was "Zanny"?

http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htm

[Elle]

I think you do have to start over. CW will be helpful and can do something with your Elle nic so you are considered 'guest' status but can't post under that name, if you ask her. At least she did for me. I did this a few months ago. As a guest your posts that you have done won't disappear, but you are going to lose your post count if that means anything to you. FWIW.
But tell us who you are afterwards!!!

Thank you Barefooted, I will let you know.:)

[Joan Weiss]

Actually, ZG said her pride wouldn't let her accept hand outs from the state or anyone else and that the only one helping her was her oldest son. That's what I meant about pride. And I do have first hand experience about being harassed by people who take things out on others. My ex-husband happened to have the same name as a man who murdered a woman on Long Island in a barroom fight. We received endless threatening calls and eggings, etc. of our home because we were listed. Yes, we did change our number and eventually the haters went away when the perps picture was on the front page of Newsday. Oops, different race. It was some small consolation that we weren't the only innocent folks with the same name. It appears that my ex's first and last name is a very popular name on LI. JMHO and from experience.She shouldn't have to go on welfare. She was working, taking care of her family, enjoying her children... Why should the state pay for Casey's lies? Why should LE waste their valuable resources protecting this odious creature, while she destroys lives? Casey should pay. imo

Let's worry about Caylee, she's missing. :rose:

[Rayosunshine]

A link to explain why ZG is suing. I am sure this was out there already, but wanted to put it up again for those (like me ;)) who did not see it.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17553419/detail.html

I would imagine ZG's attorney will go after whoever it is selling the t-shirts and Sawgrass owners as well.

[Joan Weiss]

Has ZG's interview with LE ever been released? I'm sure there has to be some sort of statement. How can they just clear her without following up and verifying things she told them? JMHO and now I'm curious.There's nothing to be curious about. The facts are on the links thread. They cleared her, and now hopefully she'll get enough money to set her life straight again, but the scars will never go away. imo

Caylee is missing. :rose:

[summer4meplz]

No, I never suggested Zenaida murdered anyone, I just think she knows a bit more than she is saying. If I am wrong, its not the first and it wont be the last, but something strikes me as wrong with that woman.

If someone came to my door, and asked me about being implicated in a missing child I would sure make the cops know exactly what date I indeed was there, instead of misleading them, I would have corrected them because to be accused of being somewhere around the same time a child was allegedly handed to me, I would just want to make my wearabouts crystal clear. moo


Do you think she knows more than she is saying about Caylee's disappearance?

[nc1948]

The donations and vigils are for Caylee, that would have nothing to do with Casey...

JMO

How are the vigil and donations helping Caylee?

[Joan Weiss]

Ok, well maybe you know more about this stuff than I do, all I am saying is that I highly doubt that all this stuff started happening solely because she has the same name as the person Casey is saying kidnapped her daughter.

I do have one question... how come no one is in Puerto Rico searcing?Perhaps you are not grasping the enormity of the situation. imo

[bballgrl]

How are the vigil and donations helping Caylee?

Prayers are always helpful, but the money isn't going toward anything as far as I can see!