Thursday, 10/2/08 - Day 108

[marshmallow]

How many lies/mis-truths have actually come from Casey directly, as compared to others? How many lies/mis-truths have we heard that were attributed to Casey, but that we have no solid proof of? He said, she said kind of stuff.

I am so glad I don't live in Florida, I would surely not want to sit on that jury - talk about an "E" headache.

I look at it more as "how many truths have come from Casey?" those are easier to count.

[bballgrl]

How many lies/mis-truths have actually come from Casey directly, as compared to others? How many lies/mis-truths have we heard that were attributed to Casey, but that we have no solid proof of? He said, she said kind of stuff.

I am so glad I don't live in Florida, I would surely not want to sit on that jury - talk about an "E" headache.

Um... I think pretty much everything out of Casey's mouth is a lie! JMHO

[jessjam]

I am going to step away from the ZG thing, it is pointless and will not help find Caylee IMO..
I have a question that I have asked a couple of times on this board that no one has responded to but I am going to ask again.....
If we believe the story GA tells of chasing Casey down the highway in CA's vehicle, how did Casey get possession of the vehicle and how in the world did she sneak it back. If I recall GA said this happened after the 15th and may have even been after the car was towed for Amscot. If GA went as far as to chase Casey on the highway, why not make sure to be there when the car is returned? Why not report that vehicle stolen right then and there? :shrug:

Nothing ever makes to much sense in this case because everyone in that family is lying about something. It just makes things more complicated and I really think that is what they are trying to do is make it harder for the LE to figure out.

[tiny paw-prints]

I would think if LE ask Tim to hold back he would have to maybe they were wanting to test whatever they found if they found anything.
But him pulling off all those searchers that day just didnt make sense to me.

It never made sense to the majority of observers who were following this case, especially after Tim Miller had begged the public for volunteers and then to suddenly pull out on the weekend when nearly 2,000 volunteers had joined in the search, pulling out less than 12 hours later!

Miller gave an emotional public statement, sad tears by surrounding staff, along with several bowed heads of lead investigators.

The "receding water level" was an excuse to pull out when he did. IMO.

[jessie]

I just had a horrible thought. What if they do know where Caylee is? What if in their own bizarre way they have let her go after saying good bye to her? That's the only thing that could explain their over the top support of Casey, IMO.

You could be right on. They know where she is buried and have said goodbye. Maybe it was an accident, but Casey made some very bad decisions reguarding reporting it and that is why they are covering for her. I dont know if that makes any sense or even if I can buy it, but it is a thought, and it would answer why they are covering for her. JMO

[need2no]

It never made sense to the majority of observers who were following this case, especially after Tim Miller had begged the public for volunteers and then to suddenly pull out on the weekend when nearly 2,000 volunteers had joined in the search, pulling out less than 12 hours later!

Miller gave an emotional public statement, sad tears by surrounding staff, along with several bowed heads of lead investigators.

The "receding water level" was an excuse to pull out when he did. IMO.


ITA, and I seem to recall Tim saying he wouldn't leave until Caylee was found......

[BJames]

Regarding how many lies and 'truths' Casy has uttered?
It appears that once Casey figured out that the police weren't going to be lead down the garden path like she has done with her parents for the past 22 years, and they have the ability to actually check her stories?....PrincessPantsOnFire decided to go deaf, dumb and mute...It seems she figured out that the only way not to get caught in a lie was to remain silent.
If she doesn't talk...she can't lie.

Just my opinion of course...

[steffaroob4]

I haven't worked that out yet. IMO, she told George right away and for some reason didn't want him or he chose not to tell anyone else. I'm of the opinion she told him before she went to jail. I can't explain why I think that because it's more of a feeling, intuition, if you will. It was the sorrowful way George spoke at certain points in his interview. JMO.

What are your thoughts about that scenario? I appreciate your opinion and enjoy your posts.

I think Casey wanted to go grab a movie with Tony at Blockbuster on Monday June 16th. I believe there was a huge fight Sunday and CA refused to watch Caylee any more, bcaise casey didn't have and job and she was caught stealing again.

Look at the calls, I believe she was trying to get CA to watch Caylee Monday, but CA wasn't answering her calls deliberately.

I think Casey chloroformed Caylee and placed her in the car trunk, thinking she would sleep while she was kicking it with Tony.

There is almost 12 hours here, where there is NO cell activity, she must have gone out and checked on Caylee during that evening and founf her nonresponsive.

June 16th

3:04pm- GA calls Casey 26 seconds 28.502844, -81.286333

3:35- Casey to Tony L, 22 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333

4:10pm- Casey to Lexus of Orlando 34 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333

4:11:25 Casey to CA at work, 0 seconds, no tower evidence, just blank

4:11:49 Casey to CA at work, 3 seconds, 28.4547222 -81.2636111

4:13pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell 2 seconds 28.502844, -81.286333

4:14pm- Casey to Lexus of Orlando 98 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333

4:18- TEXT Casey to Tony L, 0 seconds, 28.5444,-81.2767472 look like she is on the move
from the house now, north

4:19:18 TEXT Tony L to Casey, 0 seconds, 28.5444,-81.2767472

4:19:47 Casey to Tony L, 58 seconds,28.5444,-81.2767472

4:21pm - Casey to Jesse Grund 75 seconds,28.5444,-81.2767472

4:25pm - Casey to CA cell 3 seconds, 28.5444,-81.2767472 moving further north

4:53pm incoming text 28.5444,-81.2767472

5:57pm incoming text 28.6039167,-81.2876111 tower is furth north

6:32 pm Casey to CA cell, 3 seconds, 28.6039167,-81.2876111

6:32pm - Casey to The Anthony Home, 17 seconds, 28.5993583, -81.30325

6:33pm - Voicemail 28.5993583, -81.30325

6:34pm incoming texts 28.6039167,-81.2876111

7:06pm - Casey to The Anthony Home, 83 seconds, 28.6039167,-81.2876111

7:21pm - Casey to Amy H., 42 seconds 28.5993583, -81.30325

8:03pm - Voicemail,6 seconds, odd?? no tower information

8:03pm Mark H. to Casey, 6 seconds, odd again, no tower information

9:04pm- incoming text message, 28.5653389,-81.2958361

10:45pm - Text from Casey to Amy H., 28.5653389,-81.2958361

11:17pm -Text from Amy H.to Casey, 0, 28.5653389,-81.2958361

NOTHING

June 17th

10:52am -incoming text message, 28.5653389,-81.2958361

10:59 - checking voice mail, 37 seconds 28.5653389,-81.2958361

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HEY, are we missing statements from Tony L about where Casey was on the 16th and what they did, I seem to recall in the one interview, LE said something to him, like don't emntion that other stuff.

[RockStarGirl]

I too can't believe she just said that.

I'm also sure Casey is guilty. And I'm sure law enforcement can prove it & will prove it. :)


I am so glad you feel this way Landshark. I think your posts are the most reliable and that makes me feel so much better. Do you think they will find Caylee?

[RockStarGirl]

IIRC, Sean (can't remember his last name) indicated he was a good friend of Casey's and that Annie was her best girlfriend and would know a lot more than he did. I don't recall Annie being mentioned as a source for drugs. JMO.

I could be wrong, I'll have to go back and see.

[SavannahStar]

Afternoon Savannah:seeya: I think there are a lot of psychiatrists that would love to sit down and talk with Casey. Like you said, she's in a class by herself. JMO.

Heck yeh...understatement, huh? And good afternoon to you! :seeya:

I was reading Casey's text messages to Amy yesterday. It's SO freaky to see her continually talk about her job, her hours, vacation time coming up, etc. I can't even IMAGINE those kinds of lies, and to EVERYONE.....all the time....for years...talking about a job she didn't have! I mean, hearing about all this stuff is one thing, but then to read it in her own words, as well as we have also, of course, heard it from her lips......it just TOTALLY boggles the mind.

IMO she is far, far beyond your "garden variety" sociopath. She is remarkable (and not in a good way...but a very unique way). Oy! :chicken:

[SavannahStar]

Yeap whatever you say:rolleyes:i have posted with you on another board i know you and how you work you have your thoughts and i will have mine K?


Okay, gottcha...bring in other boards, other cases...that's always a sure-fire winner in a good discussion. :lol:

[BJames]

IIRC, Sean (can't remember his last name) indicated he was a good friend of Casey's and that Annie was her best girlfriend and would know a lot more than he did. I don't recall Annie being mentioned as a source for drugs. JMO.

I am thinking Sean (Shawn?) Daily <<<sounds like, maybe spelled Daley?
He was meant to be her closest male friend, and Annie as her closest gal friend. Something happened there at least between Casey and Annie...I do believe that is going to be very interesting to hear about.

[RockStarGirl]

Casey texted someone & said something to the effect of... 'We (or I) can hit up Annie for some xanax.'

So yes... Annie was mentioned as a source for drugs. It came directly from Casey. If that means anything. :shrug:

IMO.

Thank goodness you found that I thought I was going crazy!!

[tiny paw-prints]

Yes and no:
George had to be the one to tell LE about the bag, because tow truck guy (dont remember his name) went back in the dumpster to get it the next morning in his PAJAMAS, and it was already gone. They peeked in the bag together, it had papers and maggots and tow truck guy thought he saw a pizza box but couldnt be sure because he had heard pizza box all over the news. George didnt tell him to throw it away, he just said he would. The link is the interview with the detective and tow truck guy.

I don't recall who said what when, but I read that LE did retrieve the white bag with blue tie from the tow yard (over the fence) dumpster.

[steffaroob4]

Who is at Lexus of Orlando?

Some think GA worked there.

[WillowInFlight]

I am so glad you feel this way Landshark. I think your posts are the most reliable and that makes me feel so much better. Do you think they will find Caylee?

You got that right, I have really come to respect Sharky as a poster.

[steffaroob4]

Thats weird, never heard that before. ty

Well, others think that Annie worked, there, so it is safe to say, we don't know.

[RockStarGirl]

I agree. You made some strong points. I think it was noted on this board that when TES finds something, they pull out immediately, but if there are searchers in other areas, they don't immediately notify them, they let them finish out the day. Looks pretty suspiscious to me.

I hope they found something. It also seems like they are being very vague about when they will return. I think that is another clue that something may have been found.

[jakee]

Who is at Lexus of Orlando?

I am wondering the same thing!

[RockStarGirl]

Numerous car sales people. Car detailers. Mechanics.

The usual.

LOL!!

Hey did you hear NG say last night that the clothing and things that were found were "NOT RELATED"? She was adamant that they were "NOT RELATED". Did I miss something or was this reported somewhere?

[WillowInFlight]

Thanks, LS! I had not seen that until now.

I think a lot is going to come out that we haven't seen or heard before. I have a feeling we have only seen a glimpse of the real monster that Casey is. JMO.

[Kathlb]

It never made sense to the majority of observers who were following this case, especially after Tim Miller had begged the public for volunteers and then to suddenly pull out on the weekend when nearly 2,000 volunteers had joined in the search, pulling out less than 12 hours later!

Miller gave an emotional public statement, sad tears by surrounding staff, along with several bowed heads of lead investigators.

The "receding water level" was an excuse to pull out when he did. IMO.

Let's say they hypothetically found Caylee when Tim pulled out. (I have always felt they found 'something') If so and then testing was needed to determine if it was her absolutely, could they wait until testing was done and until they came to the home to arrest and charge her to tell the Anthonys so as not to alert anyone until she was in custody?

[jessjam]

I wouldn't lump Z in with any of the the Anthonys, she is an innocent victim, Cindy, George, Lee and Casey are not.

I agree !!

[bchand]

Some think GA worked there.

Afternoon Steff, Everyone...

I was wondering about the calls to Lexus too. Your answer makes sense. I thought maybe Casey was planning on buying one !

[steffaroob4]

After looking at all these calls & texts and the fact Casey was on the move shortly after 4 pm, I don't see how anything could have accidently happened at the home Monday.

I also think that those Blockbuster images are interesting, if that is Casey and Tony L at Blockbuster at 8pm renting movies, it sure looks like that girl has a dress on. So casey had changed her clothese since GA saw her Monday afternoon.
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[SavannahStar]

I hope they found something. It also seems like they are being very vague about when they will return. I think that is another clue that something may have been found.


See, I had the opposite reaction to that. Sadly, I don't think they found anything. And their vagueness as to when they will come back cements my belief.

[SavannahStar]

LOL!!

Hey did you hear NG say last night that the clothing and things that were found were "NOT RELATED"? She was adamant that they were "NOT RELATED". Did I miss something or was this reported somewhere?

I don't think I have heard that before in so many words. I did hear her say that last night, and she was definitely adamant.

[tiny paw-prints]

Who is at Lexus of Orlando?

I think it's where George worked as a security guard on the particular "call day" in question.

[Dogmatic]

Let's say they hypothetically found Caylee when Tim pulled out. (I have always felt they found 'something') If so and then testing was needed to determine if it was her absolutely, could they wait until testing was done and until they came to the home to arrest and charge her to tell the Anthonys so as not to alert anyone until she was in custody?

I don't think they have found Caylee. IMO, what they have found is evidence around or in the trash can where the car was abandoned, leading them to believe that Caylee is in the landfill.
Thus, they informed Tim to discontinue his search. IMO

[RockStarGirl]

I don't think I have heard that before in so many words. I did hear her say that last night, and she was definitely adamant.

I remember a black tank top with white trim, a backpack (not sure of the color), a pair of jeans (Express size 5), and some childrens clothing. It could have even been more. I believe they were found in a wooded are off of a parking lot that was connected to a soccer field. Am I remembering correctly? Has anyone heard if those were related in any way?

[WillowInFlight]

Who said Lauren was getting paid to babysit?

Did Lauren say that?

I understood she did it for free, that she wanted to help Casey out because she was a single mom.

[Kathlb]

I don't think they have found Caylee. IMO, what they have found is evidence around or in the trash can where the car was abandoned, leading them to believe that Caylee is in the landfill.
Thus, they informed Tim to discontinue his search. IMO

I guess that could be the CD full of images of a dumpster and what was in it that they haven't released but alluded to long ago. And LP said we would be shocked but we haven't seen anything yet. Could be they sent that item off for testing to see if Caylee's DNA was on it also to be sure. jmho

[steffaroob4]

I remember that from Tony's statement, too. LE saying they would follow up on investigative leads that were not taped and which he would not speak. Maybe it was the blockbuster thing. Maybe he saw Casey going to her car a few times checking the trunk. Hmmmm. Now you have me really thinking! Thanks.

JMO.

After dinner, I am going to go read Tony's statement again and see where they hit on facts and what they stayed awy from.

[Freefall]

Why should Casey be treated any differently than those who are in general population?

General population is where she would belong.

Unless, of course, Casey is awarded the death penalty.

If she is awarded the DP here is what she can expect until it's carried out: Daily Routine for Florida Death Row Offenders (http://www.prisonport.com/content/view/86/85/)

[steffaroob4]

Afternoon Steff, Everyone...

I was wondering about the calls to Lexus too. Your answer makes sense. I thought maybe Casey was planning on buying one !

:seeya:I think it could have been someone she was trying to get to babysit, I can't wait to find out who it was.

That seems to be a general phone numer there, I haven't seen it linked to any certain departemnt, like sales or parts ddept.

[need2no]

I understood she did it for free, that she wanted to help Casey out because she was a single mom.


That was also my understanding, but then I wondered who supported Annie. Was she living at home with her parents, unemployed and not furthering her education...just babysitting for FREE. :shrug:

[WillowInFlight]

Does anyone remember seeing a video of 2 searchers who found a dufflebag/backpack filled with ladies clothes size 5 and little girls clothes? It was just around time that Tim was leaving
HMMMM I thought it was before Tim came, but anyways I thought on NG they said the items had nothing to do with the case.:shrug:

[need2no]

Does anyone remember seeing a video of 2 searchers who found a dufflebag/backpack filled with ladies clothes size 5 and little girls clothes? It was just around time that Tim was leaving

Yes, that was a group of bloggers who were searching and found these items and called LE who came and retrieved the items.

According to NG (last night), she told a caller to her show that this was ruled out by LE...not related to the case. This was the 1st I've heard LE had ruled this out. Wonder where NG got her information?

[steffaroob4]

I think it's where George worked as a security guard on the particular "call day" in question.

I find it a bit odd for them to have security at those hours, I could be wrong, but most dealships around here are open till 8-9pm, I would think if they had security they would work at night, not during the day.
He did have dealership background, he could have been doing a different job there, I just don't know.

[Sharmayla]

She's not even phased by it! She's like "She was my kid. I'll do whatever the hell I want with her, and it's nobody's business." :flamemad:

I hope you feel better after that. I don't feel the way you do. It sometimes is so unbelievable that it doesn't seem real. The fact that someone could "lose" a 3 yr. old and have absolutely no emotion is just too unbelievable for me. I have to keep reminding myself that this is for real. Caylee is real and is really missing and IMO really dead and killed by her MOTHER!! I guess that is why we all get so obsessed by it. We just can't imagine it.

[tiny paw-prints]

I am thinking Sean (Shawn?) Daily <<<sounds like, maybe spelled Daley?
He was meant to be her closest male friend, and Annie as her closest gal friend. Something happened there at least between Casey and Annie...I do believe that is going to be very interesting to hear about.

Interesting to note, there is no Sean or Shawn or Daily or Daley listed on the current witnesses list. However, there is a Jonathan Daly listed. He is "boss" who works at the tattoo parlor that Casey Anthony visited.

[RockStarGirl]

She's not even phased by it! She's like "She was my kid. I'll do whatever the hell I want with her, and it's nobody's business." :flamemad:

Losing a child is my biggest fear. I cannot imagine what you must be feeling! Take care of yourself. You don't want to be physically ill over Casey. She is definately not worth it!

[saydeezmom]

a question that may or may not amount to anything:

1) Does anyone think that maybe Casey is ZFG? That she would use that as an alias when doing some of her scams/schemes? Would use a disguise? Maybe that is the paper the officer took when LA emptied the wallet?

2) Does anyone think that the first night LA played detective; CA told him where Caylee was and he went to TonyL to get stuff, picked up Caylee, and crashed computer?

[martha]

Thanks, hun. One time, at the grocery store, the cashier said to me "You look so SAD!" And I said "Life". And she goes "Yea, I know." I have cryed so many days for CAYLEE but today my tears or for you. I have to get away from this board some because it is so very sad. I know it has to be worse on you.jmho:rose:

[SavannahStar]

IMO TES was being vague because they did not know when they would need to come back to testify.


You certainly could be correct about that.

[tiny paw-prints]

ITA, and I seem to recall Tim saying he wouldn't leave until Caylee was found......

I too agree, and I think TES found something significant enough to confirm Caylee's demise, something more significant than a blanket, toy or shoe.

[RockStarGirl]

You certainly could be correct about that.

I was thinking they were being vague because they were waiting for whatever they found to be tested and confirmed to be related before the information is released. Before they had to say, we aren't coming back, we are no longer needed, she has been found. IMO.

[margaret kep]

Interesting to note, there is no Sean or Shawn or Daily or Daley listed on the current witnesses list. However, there is a Jonathan Daly listed. He is "boss" who works at the tattoo parlor that Casey Anthony visited.



Now that's weird. Sean Daly is Jonathan's bro. Sean's transcript says he has known Ms Odiou for about 9 years and was very close friends with Casey. Wonder if this is an oversight by LE.:read:

[need2no]

I too agree, and I think TES found something significant enough to confirm Caylee's demise, something more significant than a blanket, toy or shoe.

Yes, if it were only some material object of Caylee's they located I believe TES would have kept looking even harder and longer. I think LE needed to get the volunteers out of the area ASAP.

For TES to be saying they hope to be back soon, or shortly, or within a few weeks or whatever, makes no sense whatsoever. This is a missing 3year old child, time is of the essence and TES knows and respects this fact and the urgency involved. Something had to have been found.

[Fallen Angel]

I don't think they have found Caylee. IMO, what they have found is evidence around or in the trash can where the car was abandoned, leading them to believe that Caylee is in the landfill.
Thus, they informed Tim to discontinue his search. IMO

why wouldn't they just ask tim to search the landfills?

[RockStarGirl]

You know, come to think of it, it was one of the very few times that NG directly answered a question without tossing it off to someone else. Maybe there's more to those clothes and NG knows it and LE told her what to say. She has never really been that assertive in her knowledge of this case on the facts anyway. JMO.

Exactly what I was thinking. She almost never answers a question, she always passes that along to a guest to answer. She was "assertive" in her answer!!!

[tiny paw-prints]

Well, others think that Annie worked, there, so it is safe to say, we don't know.

Since DanteS worked at Don Reid Ford, I think it's highly possible that Annie worked at Lexus of Orlando.

On June 16, two calls were made to Lexus of Orlando:

4:10pm- Casey to Lexus of Orlando 34 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333
4:14pm- Casey to Lexus of Orlando 98 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333

[bballgrl]

I too agree, and I think TES found something significant enough to confirm Caylee's demise, something more significant than a blanket, toy or shoe.

Oh please God. I hope that this is a true statement! :rose:

[steffaroob4]

Since DanteS worked at Don Reid Ford, I think it's highly possible that Annie worked at Lexus of Orlando.

On June 16, two calls were made to Lexus of Orlando:

4:10pm- Casey to Lexus of Orlando 34 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333
4:14pm- Casey to Lexus of Orlando 98 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333

I thought that would be a good guess, but some have been saying there was a falling out in that relationship, I get so confused:shrug:

[happy2bme]

I understood the same.

Lauren babysat for free. And when she found out Casey lied about having a job, there was no need for Lauren to be babysitting.

Since Casey could have been doing the babysitting herself all along.

CiaoBella... where do you get your information about this case?

LG's statement pg. 154

Uhm, well is stopped watching Caylee because she told me she worked at Sports Authority. I was watching for free, you know trying to help her out. I found out she wasn't actually working. She was hanging out with friends. And that kinda made me mad.

[forensicnut]

If she is awarded the DP here is what she can expect until it's carried out: Daily Routine for Florida Death Row Offenders (http://www.prisonport.com/content/view/86/85/)

I don't think they'll ever give her the DP. She's too young, would be my guess.

No air conditioning sounds like hell on earth.....especially wearing a designer orange T-Shirts (tied in a knot at her hip), and showers only every other day? Eeeewwwww.

No cable (hence, no Nancy Grace), no internet and limited amounts of mail....and she won't need her designer sunglasses, that's for sure.

Wonder if they allow gum?

[nc1948]

I'm not joining the bickering, just asking questions that I have.



Do we have proof, other than a rumor, that Cindy was seeking help?

Did Cindy say she was seeking help? or did we hear that from somewhere else. Sorry, at this stage I do not believe anything Cindy says.

[bballgrl]

If TES finds something, do they keep it quiet initially? Do they tell maybe the person who found something to not say anything?

I am not sure, but in a case like this I would have to say yes. If it were a "live" body that were found, I am sure we would have heard about it post haste, but a dead body could make it a murder investigation and therefore a matter for Police. I would say that they would do whatever LE told them to do. JMO

[martha]

George would not give the name of who he worked for so maybe he did work for lex. we live close to a car dealer ship and the owner told us they have cars stolen all the time. I don;t know how anyone does it but he sayes they have a lot stolen every year and now they have security at night.jmho:rose:

[spiritwolf46]

If she is awarded the DP here is what she can expect until it's carried out: Daily Routine for Florida Death Row Offenders (http://www.prisonport.com/content/view/86/85/)


WOW! PPOF is NOT going to like that at all! Anything that has any kind of structure and guidelines will appaul our princess!

Personally? I love it! Hope she gets it!

[Sharmayla]

Cindy should've let her give Caylee up for adoption. Or Cindy should've adopted her herself.

ITA. She treated Caylee like a toy doll she liked to dress up to look real cute. Like most children she got bored with her toy and tossed it. That's just my opinion. :no:

[martha]

IIRC one of the reasons they are the best is because they are well trained in preserving the chain of custody of any evidence found and no volunteer groups go out without a TES trained individual. I don't believe that TES announces anything, they leave it up to LE. That is just my understanding and I stand to be corrected.ITA with you. I don;t think they would tell if it was prove of a dead body. jmho:rose::rose:

[SavannahStar]

I don't think they'll ever give her the DP. She's too young, would be my guess.

No air conditioning sounds like hell on earth.....especially wearing a designer orange T-Shirts (tied in a knot at her hip), and showers only every other day? Eeeewwwww.

No cable (hence, no Nancy Grace), no internet and limited amounts of mail....and she won't need her designer sunglasses, that's for sure.

Wonder if they allow gum?

If convicted of first degree murder, I do not believe she would get the DP, but not because of her youth. There is a very glaring gender double standard in our justice system. If she wasn't tried or sentenced to DP, I think it would have more to do with the fact that she is female and not male. IMO.

[Kathlb]

I think this case tugs at your heart because of the callousness of Casey, the lies and the surreal feeling of the whole thing. Savannah summed it up nicely, it gets you on an intellectual level. It really does because the reality of it all is just so bizarre and horrific. JMO.

And I also think that all of us who are mothers and those of us who have lost children are just mind boggled by the thought of someone killing their child. Couple that with her cold, callous attitude that she projects just almost leaves us gasping. It's really difficult to come to grips with the fact that there are people out there who hold life in such a low esteem, espcially the lives of little innocent children. And I guess it's good that we don't understand that. MOO

[summer4meplz]

Did CA give those to LE? I can't remember.


no, iirc,,,cindy said she looked at them and there wasn't anything in them....:rolleyes:

[tiny paw-prints]

Let's say they hypothetically found Caylee when Tim pulled out. (I have always felt they found 'something') If so and then testing was needed to determine if it was her absolutely, could they wait until testing was done and until they came to the home to arrest and charge her to tell the Anthonys so as not to alert anyone until she was in custody?

Do you think they'd release a potential witness list to the public before any conclusive test results were received?

[day2day]

Originally Posted by tiny paw-prints
I too agree, and I think TES found something significant enough to confirm Caylee's demise, something more significant than a blanket, toy or shoe.

While i'm not sure TES found Caylee's body- i do believe that they found something significant enough to know that Caylee is no longer with us. It isn't Tim's way to just pull up stakes and leave. And there have been MANY rumors about him coming back and when. jmo

[Kathlb]

Do you think they'd release a potential witness list to the public before any conclusive test results were received?

No, I don't think they would. That's one reason I feel we are close to charges being filed. jmho

[Regina.Lampert]

I think Casey wanted to go grab a movie with Tony at Blockbuster on Monday June 16th. I believe there was a huge fight Sunday and CA refused to watch Caylee any more, bcaise casey didn't have and job and she was caught stealing again.

Look at the calls, I believe she was trying to get CA to watch Caylee Monday, but CA wasn't answering her calls deliberately.

I think Casey chloroformed Caylee and placed her in the car trunk, thinking she would sleep while she was kicking it with Tony.

There is almost 12 hours here, where there is NO cell activity, she must have gone out and checked on Caylee during that evening and founf her nonresponsive.

June 16th

3:04pm- GA calls Casey 26 seconds 28.502844, -81.286333

3:35- Casey to Tony L, 22 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333

4:10pm- Casey to Lexus of Orlando 34 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333

4:11:25 Casey to CA at work, 0 seconds, no tower evidence, just blank

4:11:49 Casey to CA at work, 3 seconds, 28.4547222 -81.2636111

4:13pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell 2 seconds 28.502844, -81.286333

4:14pm- Casey to Lexus of Orlando 98 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333

4:18- TEXT Casey to Tony L, 0 seconds, 28.5444,-81.2767472 look like she is on the move
from the house now, north

4:19:18 TEXT Tony L to Casey, 0 seconds, 28.5444,-81.2767472

4:19:47 Casey to Tony L, 58 seconds,28.5444,-81.2767472

4:21pm - Casey to Jesse Grund 75 seconds,28.5444,-81.2767472

4:25pm - Casey to CA cell 3 seconds, 28.5444,-81.2767472 moving further north

4:53pm incoming text 28.5444,-81.2767472

5:57pm incoming text 28.6039167,-81.2876111 tower is furth north

6:32 pm Casey to CA cell, 3 seconds, 28.6039167,-81.2876111

6:32pm - Casey to The Anthony Home, 17 seconds, 28.5993583, -81.30325

6:33pm - Voicemail 28.5993583, -81.30325

6:34pm incoming texts 28.6039167,-81.2876111

7:06pm - Casey to The Anthony Home, 83 seconds, 28.6039167,-81.2876111

7:21pm - Casey to Amy H., 42 seconds 28.5993583, -81.30325

8:03pm - Voicemail,6 seconds, odd?? no tower information

8:03pm Mark H. to Casey, 6 seconds, odd again, no tower information

9:04pm- incoming text message, 28.5653389,-81.2958361

10:45pm - Text from Casey to Amy H., 28.5653389,-81.2958361

11:17pm -Text from Amy H.to Casey, 0, 28.5653389,-81.2958361

NOTHING

June 17th

10:52am -incoming text message, 28.5653389,-81.2958361

10:59 - checking voice mail, 37 seconds 28.5653389,-81.2958361

map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=4937+Hopespring+Dr+Orlando,+FL+32829&daddr=%2B28%C2%B0+32'+39.84%22,+-81%C2%B0+16'+36.29%22+(28.544400,+-81.276747)+to:28.5653389,-81.2958361+to:28.6039167,-81.2876111+to:28.5993583,+-81.30325&hl=en&geocode=%3BFZCNswEdtdAn-w%3BFVvfswEdJIYn-w%3BFQ12tAEdRaYn-w%3BFT5ktAEdLmkn-w&mra=ls&sll=28.563115,-81.286469&sspn=0.141119,0.219727&ie=UTF8&ll=28.557687,-81.281662&spn=0.141127,0.219727&z=12)



HEY, are we missing statements from Tony L about where Casey was on the 16th and what they did, I seem to recall in the one interview, LE said something to him, like don't emntion that other stuff.

I think this is a pretty good scenario, let's go with it. The deed was done sometime on June 16th. Finding out where casey anthony spent the night of 6/16 - 6/17 is paramount. Brian Burner said that casey anthony borrowed the shovel on 6/18. So we have to figure out if that is the date she put Caylee in the yard, possibly in the ground or in the sandbox and then we have to figure out when she came back and retreived the body and where she took it from there.

[Dogmatic]

why wouldn't they just ask tim to search the landfills?

IMO, because they were 32 days behind the eight ball. Trying to locate a tiny body after 4-5 weekly dumpings from a huge metropolitan area, would be next to impossible, not to mention hazardous.

Just like the Lori Hacking case. They knew almost immediately that she was put in a dumpster. They knew which landfill and when she was dumped and it still took them two months to locate her body.

[bballgrl]

No, I don't think they would. That's one reason I feel we are close to charges being filed. jmho

Yes, but the potential witness list that was released, was for thecurrent charges... for the 11/17 trial, right? Am I misunderstanding? Help!!

[WillowInFlight]

Thanks. I will be FLOORED if they found Caylee, and ecstatic, just so that we can start to close this up and at least give her some sort of burial.

To me its not a big deal Casey is now a person of interest officially, I mean duh, so now what, they think this will make her crack? I honestly hope they find so much forensic evidence Casey just pleads guilty and never opens her mouth again and enjoys prison. moo

While I agree with just about everything you posted, I doubt seriously if she will ever plead guilty. It would be the right thing to do for her daughter but I just don't see it coming.

[WillowInFlight]

Not much to look forward to. Breakfast at 4 am and no computer Casey will never make it.
Wonder if she will get kitchen duty or laundry.

[marshmallow]

IIRC, in some of Cindy's earlier statements she said she had sought counselling on how to deal with Casey and the counselor recommended she seek custody of Caylee. IIRC, she was getting this service through her place of employment. JMO and stand to be corrected.



Thank you. I knew I'd read something but couldn't remember what

[Dogmatic]

Wonder if she will get kitchen duty or laundry.


IMO, she will do just fine and carry on doing what she does best.

(She'll keep the male security guards busy)

[Dogmatic]

Can LE hold back from telling the Anothnys if they do find Caylee's body or do they have to tell them asap?


I think since they asked for the publics help in locating Caylee that they are obligated to report if they find her.

[bballgrl]

Can LE hold back from telling the Anothnys if they do find Caylee's body or do they have to tell them asap?

I would say no, but I am not sure at all..... I would say the next of Kin would be Casey and since she is also THE suspect, it's possible that they could hold back. However, I doubt that.

I think I recall someplace that the next of kin has to be notified prior to releasing info to the Media... since that has not yet happened, it MIGHT be possible.... I don't know enough.

Let me see if I can find anything.... BRB

[tiny paw-prints]

Yes, if it were only some material object of Caylee's they located I believe TES would have kept looking even harder and longer. I think LE needed to get the volunteers out of the area ASAP.

For TES to be saying they hope to be back soon, or shortly, or within a few weeks or whatever, makes no sense whatsoever. This is a missing 3year old child, time is of the essence and TES knows and respects this fact and the urgency involved. Something had to have been found.


I believe the "find" by TES and volunteers was significant enough to pull out when they did. IIRC, one of the volunteers made reference to the area being completely secured by LE before dusk, TES confirmed to the public about pulling out because of receding water level, the specific area was turned over to LE who, according to an article, was going to bring in their own search equipment to the area that was secured?

[BANJO GRANNY]

No a/c in FL in a cell that small? I would think prisoners would die of heat stroke. I could understand if it wasn't super cool for them but we have some very hot days down here!
IMO
If they murdered a child or hurt a child in anyway and they died in prison from a heat stroke, that would be to good for them. IMO



:rose:For Baby Caylee

[SavannahStar]

ITA. I had posted some time ago about a discover channel episode my brother had watched where they put the carcass of a 120 lb deer in the everglades and within 5 weeks there was no evidence it had ever been there. I don't hold out much hope they'll find Caylee. JMO.

I meant to tell you I saw that show myself, Rose. Truly amazing with the time lapse photography.

[RockStarGirl]

Is it my imagination or is the post count going down?

Not your imagination. I noticed it too.

[trich]

Who said Lauren was getting paid to babysit?

Did Lauren say that?

No Lauren ws babysitting for free I believe and then
she quit when she found out that Casey did not work at Sports Authority.
See then she knew Casey had been playing around , not working and could be taking care of her own child...

[day2day]

No nails done either .. :(

No tacky sunglasses !!

[WillowInFlight]

Not if she's on death row or put in solitary for her own safety:tongue:

Well now that is just too easy, she'll just become a book worm like she was before with not a care in the world. But for some reason I don't see her getting the DP, so I'm hoping for laundry duty. LOL

[5boxersmom]

No Lauren ws babysitting for free I believe and then
she quit when she found out that Casey did not work at Sports Authority.
See then she knew Casey had been playing around , not working and could be taking care of her own child...


So was this before or after she really worked at Kodak?

[Texas48]

While I agree with just about everything you posted, I doubt seriously if she will ever plead guilty. It would be the right thing to do for her daughter but I just don't see it coming. ITA Willow. She will stay w/her story till Heck freezes over..of that I certain. Will surprise me if she finally "tells all/tells the truth" and I have been wrong many many time. If you look at her real close those lips are sealed up.jmo

[Dogmatic]

That's what make me think that she put Caylee in a dumpster because she acts like she hasn't a care in the world and she knows they will never find her. Poor Caylee:rose:


The way she referred to her when she was trying to hook up with the cop let me know that she was fully capable of throwing Caylee in a dumpster. That was appalling.

[Freefall]

:D
Will she be allowed to knot up her T-shirt?

I don't think you're allowed to make fashion statements on death row.

[bballgrl]

I would say no, but I am not sure at all..... I would say the next of Kin would be Casey and since she is also THE suspect, it's possible that they could hold back. However, I doubt that.

I think I recall someplace that the next of kin has to be notified prior to releasing info to the Media... since that has not yet happened, it MIGHT be possible.... I don't know enough.

Let me see if I can find anything.... BRB

I could not find anything that gives guidelines for LE in identifying NOK. I believe that it just has to be before anything hits the media...

This is MOO....

[Freefall]

What t-shirt? She'll be wearing those God awful orange jumpsuits.

"Death Row inmates can be distinguished from other inmates by their orange t-shirts. Their pants are the same blue colored pants worn by regular inmates."

[steffaroob4]

I think this is a pretty good scenario, let's go with it. The deed was done sometime on June 16th. Finding out where casey anthony spent the night of 6/16 - 6/17 is paramount. Brian Burner said that casey anthony borrowed the shovel on 6/18. So we have to figure out if that is the date she put Caylee in the yard, possibly in the ground or in the sandbox and then we have to figure out when she came back and retreived the body and where she took it from there.

I am pretty sure it was at Tony L, but I will go check again.

The 16th-17th it looks like Tony's since that is the last place she was for last incoming call on 16 and first call of the 17th. I am look at the 17 eveneing right now, brb.

[5boxersmom]

IIRC this was from the time Caylee was born until she was about 8 months old. If you can figure out Casey's employment timeline you're a better person than me.:)

Well, I thought she worked at Kodak until April 2006. :shrug::)

[bballgrl]

I just found this, but it's not a GREAT resource.. I don't know if there is a set "timeline for notification of next of kin:

"Policies vary
Death notification practices vary depending on geographic location. The medical examiner or coroner's office may make notifications in larger urban areas, but there are far more officers than medical examiners so notifications often fall to police.




Best practices in death notifications
Next of kin are due the respect of having the death notification done by an official, and to be given the news straight, with kindness.

Notification should be done:


In time. Make notification before the family sees it on the news. Then get to the point. Don't drag it out. People know when police arrive at their door at 4 a.m. it is not because they won the lottery. Say something like, "I'm sorry, your husband was in an auto accident tonight. He died while paramedics were attempting to revive him." Then give details as indicated. "


http://www.officer.com/print/Law-Enforcement-Technology/Death-notification--Breaking-the-bad-news/1$40885

[Dogmatic]

ITA. Snot head is not a term people use to refer to their children. In that conversation, as it read, it seemed as though she often referred to Caylee like that because it certainly didn't take AR long to figure out what she meant. JMO.




And her continual reference to what a "ball and chain" Caylee was.

And her ability to allow a "man" (term used lightly) to try to dominate her limited time with her child so that he could "satisfy" himself.

Sickening

[Texas48]

That's what make me think that she put Caylee in a dumpster because she acts like she hasn't a care in the world and she knows they will never find her. Poor Caylee:rose: Very correct and my way of thinking as well. She KNOWS this baby will not be found. So she might as well take her chances with a jury. As we all know..only takes one. jmo

[Dogmatic]

Hi Rosie!
According to her former boss .. She really never returned after she had Caylee. So It would seem to me that she was snowing Lauren for the better part of the 8 months she was babysitting for free. Nice, huh.



The list of people Casey has used for her own selfish desires just keeps growing. And ends with a defenseless, precious two year old who had the misfortune of being born as Casey's child.

[Dogmatic]

ITA. Most of us enjoyed those days when out little ones depended on us for everything. Casey looked upon it as a burden, it made her sad, she needed a break, blah, blah, blah. Looking back reminds me of that country song "You're gonna miss these days", kwim. JMO.


Especially a supposed "working Mom" who was away from her child all day.

[KathR]

No Lauren ws babysitting for free I believe and then
she quit when she found out that Casey did not work at Sports Authority.
See then she knew Casey had been playing around , not working and could be taking care of her own child...

OMG. She conned her friends into sitting while she went out and played!

[KathR]

Very correct and my way of thinking as well. She KNOWS this baby will not be found. So she might as well take her chances with a jury. As we all know..only takes one. jmo

Scott Peterson knew Lacy and Connor would not be found too.

[penguinlady]

Maybe they should check the landfill that Universal Studios uses...:(


K

[Texas48]

ITA. Most of us enjoyed those days when out little ones depended on us for everything. Casey looked upon it as a burden, it made her sad, she needed a break, blah, blah, blah. Looking back reminds me of that country song "You're gonna miss these days", kwim. JMO. OMG rose..you are gona make me cry. But you are so right and we realize it even more as we get older, kids are into their own lives w/kids of their own. Boy,..do I miss those good ole days. Especially when I clean the glass patio doors and they are not very dirty w/little tiny finger prints all over. Remember those days?

[penguinlady]

I just thought of something.
Is it possible that JB is crafting some sort of post-partum breakdown type-deal for his defense?

I sure hope not. The thought of that make makes me ill.

K

[SavannahStar]

I just thought of something.
Is it possible that JB is crafting some sort of postpartum breakdown type-deal for his defense?

I don't see how. How long does PPD last? This would have been two and a half years PAST the birth. :confused:

[WillowInFlight]

I just thought of something.
Is it possible that JB is crafting some sort of postpartum breakdown type-deal for his defense?

I don't see a jury buying that, and I don't think he can back that defense.

[day2day]

I just thought of something.
Is it possible that JB is crafting some sort of postpartum breakdown type-deal for his defense?

She has joined a PTSD group online. It is my opinion that he is working towards -something just like this. IMO it won't work. :shrug:

[Texas48]

I think the challenge to LE will be locating the dumpster. IIRC the Amscot dumpster was emptied in a landfill by a dump truck that had GPS and they were able to locate the area where it was dumped. But you know what, she still had a 31 day lead on LE and Orlando is a large, large metro area. How many tons of garbage were dumped on top of the Amscot trash? JMHO and I would really like to know. Your right rose. Tons of trash and one tiny little girl. Chances are?

[WillowInFlight]

She has joined a PTSD group online. It is my opinion that he is working towards -something just like this. IMO it won't work. :shrug:

Wonder why she hasn't looked up temporary insanity. Not that I think that would fly either.

[WillowInFlight]

What is PTSD, please ? TY

Post Traumatic stress disorder

[tashi]

She has joined a PTSD group online. It is my opinion that he is working towards -something just like this. IMO it won't work. :shrug:


I think the PTSD defense will be used as a reason why she didn't call LE right away.

She was so traumatized when Caylee went missing that she didn't know what to do...ridiculous of course, but he needs to come up with some reason that she was acting so inappropriately.

[SandyO]

Thanks. :)

I do believe Caylee's remains will be found.

It's just a question of when.


I think it's possible, too. All the searches that go on, and yet it's usually someone out for a hike, or kids playing, who discover remains.

[steffaroob4]

I am pretty sure it was at Tony L, but I will go check again.

The 16th-17th it looks like Tony's since that is the last place she was for last incoming call on 16 and first call of the 17th. I am look at the 17 eveneing right now, brb.

the night of the 17th into the 18th of June, she looks like she is at Tony's again.

[Fallen Angel]

Post Traumatic stress disorder

after this case, stacy peterson, the election and OJ i think i have PTSD and i might need a support group :(

[penguinlady]

Can you still have that after 3 years? I don't know that much about it

I don't know, but it sure makes a mockery out of the women that actually do have post partum. :flamemad:

Poor Caylee :rose:

[snowflakes]

If he's smart he would be. Obviously, Casey never adjusted to a baby. He'll pull out all the bells and whistles to show that she became increasingly unstable since Caylee's birth and Cindy's overbearing and demeaning treatment only excerbated the situation. And, no one noticed and Casey slipped away, poor dear. Nothing, of course, about Caylee. Cindy's efforts to get custody will work in the defense's favor, too. I'm no lawyer, but I'd give it a shot. Diminished capacity, further diminished by drugs, alcohol and spiralling mental illness, testimony of a former fiance claiming she's not the same person. Yeah, it might be his line of defense. Would love to hear from Katprint or Impartial or Unperson1984 on this. JMO.

Don't give JB any ideas.:eek:

[Rayosunshine]

Right, me either, so what is she going to do, just take her chance and leave it to fate? Of course she will never admit it, and even if they did find Caylee its going to be hard to determine COD at this point, unless it was severe, which I doubt. I doubt she will ever tell anyone the truth about what really happened, I dont think George and Cindy know exactly what happened but I think they are aware Caylee is dead, but Casey isn't going to be candid about this ever, unless she pulls a Karla Faye Tucker and finds God or something. Wait, nevermind, I remember she already appears to have found him because of the rosary she was sporting the other day. I wonder how she can wear that and not worry about spontaneous combustion, lol. moo

The Rosary wearing may have some other significant meaning.

[bchand]

She has joined a PTSD group online. It is my opinion that he is working towards -something just like this. IMO it won't work. :shrug:

You may be right - he keeps saying there are compelling REASONS that Casey has acted the way she has but we'll have to wait for the trial to hear them.

I think Caylee was a little too old for Post partum depression to be considered.

[day2day]

What is PTSD, please ? TY

Post traumatic stress disorder

[Regina.Lampert]

the night of the 17th into the 18th of June, she looks like she is at Tony's again.

Excellent! Lazarro has been cooperating with LE from day one, I think he is going to be a critical witness against casey anthony. He can tell LE all about her movements and demeanor.

[bchand]

Sure. Since Cindy was kicking her out of the house...

Casey realized she wouldn't be able to drink as much anymore.

She realized she wouldn't be able to smoke weed anymore.

She realized her nights at Fusian were over.

I'm sure all of that depressed the hell out of her.


awww and she sure looked depressed in all those photos didn't she LS?

[happy2bme]

She has joined a PTSD group online. It is my opinion that he is working towards -something just like this. IMO it won't work. :shrug:

What did I miss...when did she join a PTSD group?:confused:

[WillowInFlight]

after this case, stacy peterson, the election and OJ i think i have PTSD and i might need a support group :(

AWWWW FA we'll be there for you. ;)

[steffaroob4]

Excellent! Lazarro has been cooperating with LE from day one, I think he is going to be a critical witness against casey anthony. He can tell LE all about her movements and demeanor.

I believe there is another interview from him LE is holding back, I sure hope it has goodies in it for us.

[Regina.Lampert]

You may be right - he keeps saying there are compelling REASONS that Casey has acted the way she has but we'll have to wait for the trial to hear them.

I think Caylee was a little too old for Post partum depression to be considered.

Hiya bchand!! PPD will NEVER fly because there are witnesses, Jesse Grund for one, who will testify that casey anthony was a good mother early in Caylee's infancy. See Jesse's interview on The Today Show this am.

[bballgrl]

I think the PTSD defense will be used as a reason why she didn't call LE right away.

She was so traumatized when Caylee went missing that she didn't know what to do...ridiculous of course, but he needs to come up with some reason that she was acting so inappropriately.

For 31 days!!!!?????? I think any jury will have a hard time with that!
:lol:

[happy2bme]

the night of the 17th into the 18th of June, she looks like she is at Tony's again.

Steff..would you mind telling me again when Tone left for New York and when he came back. TIA

[Regina.Lampert]

I believe there is another interview from him LE is holding back, I sure hope it has goodies in it for us.

There sure is, nothing has been released yet pertaining to Lazarro and the critical dates of June 16th, 17th or 18th as far as I know.

[tashi]

For 31 days!!!!?????? I think any jury will have a hard time with that!
:lol:


I agree...I think juries are smarter than that, but I really wouldn't want to be in Baez's shoes right now.

What could he possibly say to a jury that would account for Casey's behavior??

I really can't think of anything...seriously

[Rayosunshine]

When she wears them now or when she was wearing them at the 'no clothes' party?

Can't say that I noticed her wearing them at the no clothes party.

[day2day]

You may be right - he keeps saying there are compelling REASONS that Casey has acted the way she has but we'll have to wait for the trial to hear them.

I think Caylee was a little too old for Post partum depression to be considered.

That and Jesse keeps mentioning something that happened in her past that she hasnt gotten over!!

[bballgrl]

I agree...I think juries are smarter than that, but I really wouldn't want to be in Baez's shoes right now.

What could he possibly say to a jury that would account for Casey's behavior??

I really can't think of anything...seriously

How about something like this: "Your Honor, she is a cold hearted biotch, but she is NOT a murderer".

Simple and full of crap! LOL

[bchand]

That and Jesse keeps mentioning something that happened in her past that she hasnt gotten over!!


I must have missed that. I didn't see where Jesse says that.

[ilovemylife]

MYSPACE....

I'm on myspace and have the HELP FIND CAYLEE ANTHONY as one of my friends.

They just posted a bulletin asking everyone to pass along all info, links and fliers to friends and family to help get word out so that Caylee will be brought home.

They have added over 1,000 friends and supporters, on myspace this past week.

They thanked everyone for the support and prayers.

[bchand]

How about something like this: "Your Honor, she is a cold hearted biotch, but she is NOT a murderer".

Simple and full of crap! LOL

Hmmm did Geragos say something similar about Scott P? (It didn't work either.)

[tashi]

How about something like this: "Your Honor, she is a cold hearted biotch, but she is NOT a murderer".

Simple and full of crap! LOL


LOL...I love it!

You should email Baez so he can use it in his opening statement :D

[cg007]

I disagree. She knew exactly what do to, she staked out Sawgrass, she used other resources, she centralized at a neutral place, she visited club after club to locate Zanny the Nanny just knowing that when she found Zanny she'd find Caylee.:rolleyes: She knew exactly what to do, wait 31 days until Caylee's remains were far to gone to be found and then follow her script. JMO.

I agree....this was all a part of "the backup plan!" jmo

[babblefishie]

Hi all :seeya:

I think there is some confusion between Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and Post Partum Depression

PTSD is experienced after a particularly terrifying or upsetting experience or ordeal -- say going to war or witnessing a terrible accident or crime.

People are very astute to notice she has joined this group and may use it as a defence. It's weak but it is very likely this is the angle JB and the princess are going to take. :rolleyes:

PPD is a depression experienced by some women following having a baby and would likely never last years.


Keep on sleuthing!

:rose: for Caylee

[Rayosunshine]

That and Jesse keeps mentioning something that happened in her past that she hasnt gotten over!!

A product of her immediate environment maybe.

[WillowInFlight]

Indeed.

There goes the Mother of the Year award.
Hows about "Inmate of the Year"?

[happy2bme]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-100208,0,1494442.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-100208,0,1494442.story)


Orange County deputies are now calling the mother of missing 3-year-old Caylee Marie Anthony (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/crime-law-justice/crimes/caylee-anthony-PECLB004332.topic) a suspect in the girl's disappearance.

Casey Anthony (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/crime-law-justice/trials/casey-anthony-PECLB004341.topic), 22, was first called a 'person of interest' by investigators in mid-July , but only recently did they begin to refer to her as a suspect.

Sheriff's spokesman Capt. Angelo Nieves said there was no new evidence to prompt the change.

"Her information has been suspect since we began this investigation," Nieves said. "This is a person who has been uncooperative since the first day."



A person of interest is someone law enforcement wants to speak to in order to provide information about a case, Nieves said. A suspect, on the other hand, is someone who is believed to have been involved in crime.

Anthony has been charged with child neglect and filing a false statement to law enforcement. She faces several check fraud charges in unrelated cases.

"Over the past two and half months we have been diligently working to resolve the case of the missing child," Nieves said. "The information she has provided has proven to be false."

Caylee was reported missing on July 15, but her mother told detectives that she hasn't seen Caylee since mid-June. Detectives have evidence to suggest that there was a dead body in the trunk of her car that she abandoned in a parking lot in late June.

The child is still missing.


Why if they have no new evidence are they saying now she is a suspect? Why not a month ago? Help I am confused...:(

[bballgrl]

Hi all :seeya:

I think there is some confusion between Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and Post Partum Depression

PTSD is experienced after a particularly terrifying or upsetting experience or ordeal -- say going to war or witnessing a terrible accident or crime.

People are very astute to notice she has joined this group and may use it as a defence. It's weak but it is very likely this is the angle JB and the princess are going to take.

PPD is a depression experienced by some women following having a baby and would likely never last years.


Keep on sleuthing!

for Caylee

Hey, I wonder if they can tell what computer that she was logged in on when she joined? Maybe one at the Baez law firm? ;)

[redcard]

Why if they have no new evidence are they saying now she is a suspect? Why not a month ago? Help I am confused...:(

Because now they must file charges of some type soon and move this thing forward.

If they really truly have no new evidence, then they are doing this as a prerequisite to making an arrest and offering a deal.

[tiny paw-prints]

When she wears them now or when she was wearing them at the 'no clothes' party?

The 'anything but clothes party' was in May. Was she wearing a Rosary at that party? Isn't that when she claimed to have had a miscarriage and had some dude locked in the bathroom at Lake Vaj?

[babblefishie]

Hey, I wonder if they can tell what computer that she was logged in on when she joined? Maybe one at the Baez law firm? ;)

Very likely! :beer:

This is great when stuff like this gets discovered by forum as it sort of takes the bluster out of their secret little plans to SHOCK us all with their so-called reasons.

Baez and Casey are really grasping for straws if they go this route.... but I can totally see them doing so. There really is very little defence left -- but this is such a "dog ate my homework" excuse!:rolleyes:

[babblefishie]

The 'anything but clothes party' was in May. Was she wearing a Rosary at that party? Isn't that when she claimed to have had a miscarriage and had some dude locked in the bathroom at Lake Vaj?

Can you tell me about this incident or provide a link? :eek:

I'd heard of miscarriage but never lake Vaj. Wow always something new!

[Regina.Lampert]

Jesse's 5 minutes of fame have long since expired. He just doesn't know it yet.

Really? Jesse Grund is going to be a critical witness at the trial, his "fame" is just beginning, imo, and at any rate it's better then being "infamous" like the entire anthony family, imo.

[num1barb]

A pressure tactic, that won't work any better than did their "leaks" or their immunity offer, BTW.

ITA with you, no amount of pressure will work on princesspantsonfire. IMO she's dead inside.
But I do think that LE is going to be arresting her for the murder of her daughter very soon.
No bond this time. Bye bye PPOF !!


MOO

[marshmallow]

MYSPACE....

I'm on myspace and have the HELP FIND CAYLEE ANTHONY as one of my friends.

They just posted a bulletin asking everyone to pass along all info, links and fliers to friends and family to help get word out so that Caylee will be brought home.

They have added over 1,000 friends and supporters, on myspace this past week.

They thanked everyone for the support and prayers.




why couldn't they do this months ago?

[Regina.Lampert]

ITA. I think Mr. Lazarro has a lot to say that we haven't heard and I think it's going to be very damning, IMO. That whole backup plan nonsense can shoot any mental defense right out of the water, IMO. Again, I wish our resident attorneys would weigh in. I enjoy their posts so much. JMO.

Yes, let's UNLEASH THE LAWYERS!!!! :tongue:

[Texas48]

You may be right - he keeps saying there are compelling REASONS that Casey has acted the way she has but we'll have to wait for the trial to hear them.

I think Caylee was a little too old for Post partum depression to be considered.
JB is blowing smoke about compelling reasons. He does not have a clue as what to do except keep making those brownies. He will have a defense by the time this goes infront of jury. NOT GUILTY BY REASON OF.....................? jmo

[marshmallow]

Jesse's 5 minutes of fame have long since expired. He just doesn't know it yet.

why do you say that?

[ilovemylife]

Facebook update

status:
Casey Marie Anthony...is Casey

920 friends (supposed supporters, uhhuh)

I posted twice on her wall asking for RECENT photos of Caylee.

This a.m she posted on my wall said 'since she has been gone for awhile we haven't had a chance to take pictures.......ya think?'
and' that she does have pics that she is not releasing b/c the media uses them to slaughter her and she is holding them NEAR to her heart.

Whether this is THE real Casey has yet to be determined.
Meanwhile posters that APPEAR to KNOW her are posting but most posts are by strangers. One reporter was booted off her fb by demand of her 'friends'.




Yeah, in the begining , I saw the real facebook for Casey...however the last time I checked ...the "real facebook for Casey" is gone and it doesn't come up in searches.

The myspace that's on my friends list is run by the Anthony family.

[bballgrl]

PTSD = post traumatic stress disorder. Soldiers get it after traumatic war experiences, It used to be called shell shock in earlier wars.
I think pstd is misplaced for casey unless maybe she witnessed a horrific murder, then she might have it.

What could be more HORRIFIC than murdering your own child?

But, that would have caused the PTSD, which means she didn't have it at the time.

Your'e a genius! :seeya: (Let's see you work with that Baez!)

[girlspell]

Really? Jesse Grund is going to be a critical witness at the trial, his "fame" is just beginning, imo, and at any rate it's better then being "infamous" like the entire anthony family, imo.

You better believe it. He might end up being her "Amber" No wait...ZG might end up being that.

Anyway, all the witness listing will help.

[day2day]

Jesse's 5 minutes of fame have long since expired. He just doesn't know it yet.

I am pretty sure that Jesse didn't want THIS kinda fame. IMO he deserves so much better than Casey. jmo

[EGirl]

So hang on a sec... If Cindy picked up Casey on 16th When did Tony throw Casey out? And Lee said he went to Tony apt 15th/early 16th to get Caseys belongings ... wasn't Casey still at Tonys @ that time ? :shrug::confused:
Cindy picked Casey up around 6pm on the 15th, not the 16th

[WillowInFlight]

LOLOLOL, But leave Kobi off!

Well Kobi sure didn't sound like he was working for the defense last night.

[trich]

Hi all :seeya:

I think there is some confusion between Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and Post Partum Depression

PTSD is experienced after a particularly terrifying or upsetting experience or ordeal -- say going to war or witnessing a terrible accident or crime.

People are very astute to notice she has joined this group and may use it as a defence. It's weak but it is very likely this is the angle JB and the princess are going to take. :rolleyes:

PPD is a depression experienced by some women following having a baby and would likely never last years.


Keep on sleuthing!

:rose: for Caylee

Well I don't think either is going to work simply because Casey has always been telling lies even before Caylee went missing.
And most of these lies lead up to Caylee being kidnapped or whatever excuse she is giving now.
If she had PTSD supposedly because of Caylee going missing why had she been doing so much research about missing kids and a certain nanny before hand.
That just off the top of my head.
There are lots and lots of other things that IMO are all telling.
I also think that shrinks that have examined her have most likely determined that is not so too.

[GrannyB]

why couldn't they do this months ago?
The body wasn't decomposed enough?

[Pruddennce]

So hang on a sec... If Cindy picked up Casey on 16th When did Tony throw Casey out? And Lee said he went to Tony apt 15th/early 16th to get Caseys belongings ... wasn't Casey still at Tonys @ that time ? :shrug::confused:

Tony didnt throw Casey out. where did that come from?

Cindy went there with Amy to pick her up.

Lee went there at midnight (while LE was at the Anthony home) and spent about 2 hours at Tony's apartment. He stated he went there to get her laptop, but ended up bringing her 'bags' home, which he states, were all neatly packed.

???

best regards,
Pru

[bchand]

Which ones? The one of her disrepecting the US flag or the one of her dabbing her eyes at her bond hearing because her lies were being exposed and TonE would find out she was a liar? JMO.:rolleyes:

Oh Rose I was thinking of the ones where she was in the hot body contest. :seeya:

[Texas48]

For 31 days!!!!?????? I think any jury will have a hard time with that!
:lol: I can not think of any illness the defense can come up with that will fly. Just look at all the pictures of her "after" Caylee went missing. Illness did not seem to bother her dance moves. jmo

[barskin&co.]

Where's our awesome posters that always start our new links?

Hello!


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=342040

New thread

[tiny paw-prints]

A pressure tactic, that won't work any better than did their "leaks" or their immunity offer, BTW.


Do you happen to recall if the 'pressure tactic' of 'leaks' and/or 'immunity offer' was before, during, or After TES pulled out?

//////////////

[Regina.Lampert]

LOLOLOL, But leave Kobi off!

Yes, Kobi now resides on the DARK side..........lol.

[bchand]

What could be more HORRIFIC than murdering your own child?

But, that would have caused the PTSD, which means she didn't have it at the time.

Your'e a genius! :seeya: (Let's see you work with that Baez!)


He's a genius and the Anthony's attorney is too. He labels the protesters "miscreants." Look at the definition. Who does it call to mind?

Main Entry: miscreant2
Part of Speech: adj
Definition: depraved; behaving badly
Etymology: Middle French mes- 'mis-' + croire 'to believe'


IMO, his own clients and their children.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Lawdy, they still haven't shackled her rear and hauled her back to a cell???

*sigh*

That's alright, let her live in fear, she knows her time is limited...


:seeya: Hi again everyone

[Pruddennce]

I can not think of any illness the defense can come up with that will fly. Just look at all the pictures of her "after" Caylee went missing. Illness did not seem to bother her dance moves. jmo

you are correct, she was doing fine, living her life. she has no documented history as a defense. if Cindy wants to 'tell about her behaviour' growing up, it might reflect badly on HER as a mother, so no, I dont see her or anyone else contributing to that defense.

IMO, she is an undiagnosed psychopath, but as a defense, within the law, no, I dont see that flying.

those jailhouse calls are significant.

best regards,
Pru

[day2day]

So very true. I feel so bad for him and his Family. IMO, they cared more for Caylee then her own Family.

Oh I agree...i think the Grund's loved Caylee more than anyone. jmo

[Texas48]

Lawdy, they still haven't shackled her rear and hauled her back to a cell???

*sigh*

That's alright, let her live in fear, she knows her time is limited...


:seeya: Hi again everyone OMG I am soooooooo glad to see you winnie. Thought you had had enough and left me. Been watching for you all day.

[WinnieLeigh7]

OMG I am soooooooo glad to see you winnie. Thought you had had enough and left me. Been watching for you all day.

:)

Been on a mission for a police uniform!!

I'm gonna get Casey!! HAHAHAHA
Naw seriously, hadda get one for my son...

Now looking for lil' prisoner outfits for my lil' ones.
hhhmm Wonder if I can borrow one of those from Casey though...

My daughter will love the purple cuffs! LOL

[martha]

For the life of me I can;t see any defence for casey. I think her lawyer is going to have a very hard time coming up with something but I know he will. jmho:rose:

[WinnieLeigh7]

For the life of me I can;t see any defence for casey. I think her lawyer is going to have a very hard time coming up with something but I know he will. jmho:rose:

They don't technically have to 'defend' her...

Burden is in the hands of the prosecution.

They just have to poke at that enough for someone to have "reasonable" doubt.

[Katt2]

I think this is a pretty good scenario, let's go with it. The deed was done sometime on June 16th. Finding out where casey anthony spent the night of 6/16 - 6/17 is paramount. Brian Burner said that casey anthony borrowed the shovel on 6/18. So we have to figure out if that is the date she put Caylee in the yard, possibly in the ground or in the sandbox and then we have to figure out when she came back and retreived the body and where she took it from there.

What I really want to know is WHERE the flurry of calls on the 16th were made from. I am suspecting they were made from the Anthony house where Caylee died. I think Casey went back there for some reason after George went to work and I am really stuck on Caylee drowning.

[babblefishie]

I understand cinderblock makes an excellent substitution for an emory board:D

HEY Cinderblock would be a good nic for Cindy... with her rigid steadfast insistance that HER truth is THE truth. :D

[Amy]

No doubt she was a selfish biotch who really didn't care to be bothered with Caylee. If Caylee reached out to her it was because it's a child's natural instinct to want to be loved and wanted by their mother. Imagine how happy Caylee must have been when Casey dressed her up and took her with her. Wow, mommy and me time. Imagine how disappointed Caylee was when that's not exactly what happened. IMO, I can imagine Casey being all smiles and sunshine when others were around and then downright mean and nasty when the two were alone. Another reason Caylee wanted to be with Cindy and George more than Casey. Caylee will never be able to tell the truth about what happened but Casey knows. I remember how chilled I was when, during Cindy's interview, she told Yuri, Casey is not a murderer, she loved that child. What's wrong with that statement? JMO.


The little girl that recently lived @ my house--her mother would SCREAM @ her in the night--"I SAID SHUT THE F UP" She talked (well, yelled) @ the little girl like that a lot. Cursed her out. She isn't even 2, but it seems her mother thinks she should behave more like a 5 year old, without having had the CHANCE to learn. Anyway, sure enough, if "mama" was in a good mood, they would laugh and play. I tried to say on several occasions that that is all the little girl wanted, to laugh and play w/her mama, and so many times "mama" was too busy wanting to do the things she wanted to do as an 18 y/o which, of course, was not always compatible with having a toddler to see to and care for. I think the yelling came more @ the times she knew her friends were having a good time, and here she was, stuck w/being a mama!!!!!

[Amy]

Lawdy, they still haven't shackled her rear and hauled her back to a cell???

*sigh*

That's alright, let her live in fear, she knows her time is limited...


:seeya: Hi again everyone

I'm thinking that wouldn't be much of a life, couldn't enjoy much, always looking over your shoulder, wonder if today is the day your deeds will catch up w/you. But, a better life than a murderer deserves. IMO

[martha]

They don't technically have to 'defend' her...

Burden is in the hands of the prosecution.

They just have to poke at that enough for someone to have "reasonable" doubt.

I wish I could be on that jury because there is no reasonable doubt in my mind. jmho:rose:

[lonetraveler]

Does any of this message board sleuths know which friend of Casey worked at the Lexus Dealership in Orlando? On the cell phone activity list, there are a couple of calls to the Lexus Dealership. I have been browsing a few other boards and web sites and yes, a physic site that have people searching. The letter to that one are interesting to say the least. One of the videos mentioned in a letter was of a physic who helps LE sometimes, and she "supposedly" received information from Caylee. In this communication, Caylee supposedly says that the man who works at the auto parts place helped by hiding her. Well, I'm not into physic stuff but I did notice that a couple of the cell phone calls during the critical timeline, was to a Lexus dealership and dealerships have auto parts departments. I know, I know, beat me over the head, already.....but I'm open to anything that may help with finding Caylee and punishing anyone who hurt or helped in her disappearance.

Any thoughts???

[margaret kep]

For the life of me I can;t see any defence for casey. I think her lawyer is going to have a very hard time coming up with something but I know he will. jmho:rose:

You know not too much is said about her younger teen years. I so wish she had gotten some kind of help, like from school counselors or her teachers. I really think her life (CAYLEE):rose: would hve taken a different turn. Love 4 CAYLEE:rose:

[margaret kep]

Does any of this message board sleuths know which friend of Casey worked at the Lexus Dealership in Orlando? On the cell phone activity list, there are a couple of calls to the Lexus Dealership. I have been browsing a few other boards and web sites and yes, a physic site that have people searching. The letter to that one are interesting to say the least. One of the videos mentioned in a letter was of a physic who helps LE sometimes, and she "supposedly" received information from Caylee. In this communication, Caylee supposedly says that the man who works at the auto parts place helped by hiding her. Well, I'm not into physic stuff but I did notice that a couple of the cell phone calls during the critical timeline, was to a Lexus dealership and dealerships have auto parts departments. I know, I know, beat me over the head, already.....but I'm open to anything that may help with finding Caylee and punishing anyone who hurt or helped in her disappearance.

Any thoughts???



IIRC Noreen Renier had offered help but needed some personal clothing of CAYLEE:rose: and the A's didn't want to do so. JMO Don't quote me on this because there has been so much said and can't remember 1%.

[Albini]

I'm gonna say somethin I probly shouldnt. My Grandma was murdered. They found her body in the river-after a night of drinking and partying with her sister and brother in law. My family has always been involved in politics and le. When they found my Grandma's body -my Great Grandpa went to the sheriff and said- i have already lost one daughter-please don't make it two. No charges were ever filed. I have been told my Great Grandpa found my Grandmas sisters bloody dress and my grandmas belongings and buried them in the hills. My Dad forbids me from talking about this :(...

IMO the same thing is happening here- they know Caylee is gone they don't want to lose Casey.


:rose:Grandma P.- i still seek the truth...

Uh. Sorry to hear this. But should you really be posting this on a public site? Wouldnt someone see that she was murdered and not drowned?

[nc1948]

She has joined a PTSD group online. It is my opinion that he is working towards -something just like this. IMO it won't work. :shrug:

I think when she joined will be important. Was it after she lawyered up?

[nc1948]

Don't give JB any ideas.:eek:

Oh I am sure he has already not only thought of this but also has researched using it as a defense. Unfortunatey, these defenses do work. Our country and court system have moved in the direction of no one is responsible for their own actions. It is always someone else or something else or some mental condition or they had problems as a child(really now adays any excuse will do) that caused them to commit the crime. It is really scarey.

[Dogmatic]

Oh I am sure he has already not only thought of this but also has researched using it as a defense. Unfortunatey, these defenses do work. Our country and court system have moved in the direction of no one is responsible for their own actions. It is always someone else or something else or some mental condition or they had problems as a child(really now adays any excuse will do) that caused them to commit the crime. It is really scarey.

I agree.
No one is responsible.

"They were beaten as a child, so now they kill"
"It was a crime of passion"
"It was temporary insanity"
"They were depressed"
"They were on drugs"
"They were drunk"


No accountability. Someone else is to blame. Very scarey.

[PolyGraph]

I was doing some little investigating of my own and was checking out the whole zg lawsuit thing and to see what this woman was like etc etc etc and I came across a file that was filed in orlando court files, It was the county website that shows all of the court documents that are filed and I went through all of zg's files. I found alot of files where zg was getting suid for eviction and for owing people money but the one that struck me the most is the one I saw last, (I will try to post it here if anyone wants to see it!) where it says zg was suing a JESUS ORTIZ!!!! Isnt this the same guy who casey claimed was caylee's dad??? this story just gets more and more strange everytime I look into it!!!:read: