Thursday, 10/2/08 - Day 108

[Elle]

Well, I don't believe the First name of Zenaida is too unusual for Casey because she went to school with a Zenaida! Maybe Casey Anthony and Zenaida Arroyo had a class together and/or maybe that Zenaida's nic was "Zanny"?

http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htm

IA, Even Cindy mentioned there was a Zenaida that lived up the street, or in the neighborhood...something along those lines.
IMO, when Jesse's dad confronted her about what she was going to do about a babysitter for Caylee, she came up with Zanny, and it wasn't until Ricardo asked her about what that stood for did she come up with Zenaida...it could have easily have been Zandria or Zandra, it just needed to sound like a name Zanny could be short for, and she was familiar with the name Zenaida.

imo, moo

[Joan Weiss]

I agree, although I don't think her suit is important in the Caylee case. I do think that regardless of who/what ZG was before this, Casey used her name and implied that a ZG did something truely horrific.
I hope no one thinks ZG deserved being dragged into this mess because we may not like the # of kids she has or her tattoos.
No matter what type of person ZG was, it shouldn't matter. She didn't deserve to be brought into this and her name used to cast blame away from Casey. Yes, Casey and Cindy backtracked fast as soon as ZG was cleared but the damage was already done.

(Joan, not picking at you, your post is just the one I used as a springboard for my opinion)I love your opinion here, and I didn't take offense at all. ;)

[Boxer]

How are the vigil and donations helping Caylee?

IMO, they're not helping Caylee at all. What could help Caylee is Caylee's mess of a mother opening that foul mouth of her's and telling the truth for a change. The vigils (to me) are an outward show for us.

[Joan Weiss]

No, I just think she knows Casey Anthony and its not in a respectable way. mooThere is no evidence to indicate that. If there were anything nefarious, she certainly wouldn't be in the forefront. imo

Caylee is missing. :rose:

[nc1948]

Zenaida is so irrelevant to Caylee....imo

I wish there were a Zenaida board. I really would like to talk about something relevant to Caylee and what has happened to her.

[num1barb]

She has stopped, she won't talk, Cindy's doing that for her now:D

JMO.

Yeah, you're right.

[OneUp]

A possible theory as to how Casey chose Zenaida...

If one leans toward the theory that Zanny was her nickname for Xanax, which she used to make Caylee sleep at parties, etc...(the "babysitter")...
Perhaps she came across the card at Sawgrass and saw the name Zenaida... It has been stated that she went to school with a Zenaida...maybe her nickname was Zanny...and Casey processed the memory...and thought...Hey...Zanny...Zenaida...and stored it in her "I can absolutely use this name to explain Zanny if I ever need to...yeah..."
Then...she does a little myspace search, gets a few facts...grains of truth...(whatEVER they might be)...
There is a Z Fernandez in the band at Colonial High School... etc...
just tossing around a few ideas

JMO
That is pretty much exactly how I think it went down. I think Casey just :lucked" into the name that fit he pre-promoted lie and expanded on it....There are certainly plenty of weird coincidences in this already, I am no fan of coincidence. IMO, Coinky=dinks are usually things that are tied together for a reason that is just not known yet.
I bet it tickled Casey to no end to find a real name to fit into her sick lie. There is some tie-in in there...it is quite coincidental that Z F-G would have looked at that very Apt. in Sawgrass so near to when Casey "got rid " of Caylee, and driving the very similar car ( I wouldn't be able to name most cars make either). The way I have seen her dressed and made up on some of her MS pictures might have lead Casey to think she was younger, esp. if she saw her in sunglasses ( so much of a womans age is evident in the eye area). I have no doubt that her appearance at Sawgrass felt like a gift of manna from heaven to Casey at the time. The fact that it is in large part that name and apartment that provide the rope for her noose is Karmic Justice IMO.

[summer4meplz]

I would be most interested to know if Casey ever had a grudge against this Zenaida in high school, maybe over a boy, or something weird like that, and it just stuck in Caseys brain, and however she got the Zenaida stuff from Sawgrass was a huge coincidence. I really was ready to let the Zenaida thing go until I heard Mr. Grund said he had heard her mentioned before.

uggh.


Personally, I think casey had to come up with a name that zanny could be used as a nickname....imo

[ruth66]

I have been wondering about the talk about the nanny. If you were around your friend all the time talking about the "nanny", "nanny this", "nanny that", "nanny has Caylee today", how would you remember when said friend started referring to her as Zanny. At the age these folks are (Casey's friends) it wouldn't be unusual to start joking around about "Zanny the Nanny". I know we do it here at home with the kids, it is how we bring humor into things. After hearing all of Casey's stories, it is clear that she picks up pieces of other stories and melds them into a new one to serve a certain purpose. So if she and her friends are already saying "Zanny the Nanny", why not make that name fit her situation. I am trying to figure out where this name came up. I do believe she went out of her way to find this ZFG. :shrug:

[Joan Weiss]

And gratefully she decided to let the world know exactly what she looks like so we dont make the mistake and give the donations for her terrible pain to one of the other Zenaida Gonzales in Florida. Good for her. mooWhat are you talking about? WHAT "donations?" She filed a legal suit, she's not asking for donations. You sure are chewing on this. What's up with that? imo

[shelbar53]

The donations and vigils are for Caylee, that would have nothing to do with Casey...

JMO

But if casey is accused of mrudering caylee, and if there is proof that caylee is dead, then how can they continue to panhandle money for caylee?

[tiny paw-prints]

That's my thinking, it makes sense. It is not like the renting office was leaving secret documents out in the open, it was nothing more than a guest card. If was something like a rental agreement with more info, I don't think that would be just laying around.

I agree, but I have to say; that often times there are indeed applications conveniently laying around on a desk or desks; but it would probably be at an intermittent time where it was convenient to "lift" the info by a person who was at least somewhat familiar with arrangements or schedule of the working staff on duty that particular day, especially if they were shorthanded or a temporary staff member in training.

Familiarity breeds contempt, and Casey was very familiar with the Sawgrass Apartment Complex---for more than one reason! She was, in my opinion, stalking the complex. She and AnnieD had a disagreement and falling out in March. It's been my opinion all along that Casey was stalking the complex since March, and would purposely position herself in areas nearby and around that complex.

[Joan Weiss]

I have been wondering about the talk about the nanny. If you were around your friend all the time talking about the "nanny", "nanny this", "nanny that", "nanny has Caylee today", how would you remember when said friend started referring to her as Zanny. At the age these folks are (Casey's friends) it wouldn't be unusual to start joking around about "Zanny the Nanny". I know we do it here at home with the kids, it is how we bring humor into things. After hearing all of Casey's stories, it is clear that she picks up pieces of other stories and melds them into a new one to serve a certain purpose. So if she and her friends are already saying "Zanny the Nanny", why not make that name fit her situation. I am trying to figure out where this name came up. I do believe she went out of her way to find this ZFG. :shrug:From the children's storybook...imo
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[summer4meplz]

Another thing is that when Mr Grund heard about Zanny the first time it was in the capacity of, hey, you need to find a sitter, and Casey was just like, oh yeah, found one, her name is Zanny. So obviously the issue of child care was on her mind and finding someone, and she always does have a quick answer for anything.

moo

ITA that casey is very quick....I think thus our fascination with this case....i remember rick saying cindy and george are just very stupid ppl....iirc....truer words were never spoken...imo

[trich]

I would be most interested to know if Casey ever had a grudge against this Zenaida in high school, maybe over a boy, or something weird like that, and it just stuck in Caseys brain, and however she got the Zenaida stuff from Sawgrass was a huge coincidence. I really was ready to let the Zenaida thing go until I heard Mr. Grund said he had heard her mentioned before.

uggh.

I don't think he said Zenaida but Zanny.
But saying that I still believe she got Zanny the Nanny from the children's book.
That is too much of a coincidence.
I think she came up with Zanny and then searched for the name of an
actual person to associate Zanny with and
that is how it all came about.

[barskin&co.]

This is all I want to know, and it never, ever gets answered, because it bothers me a whole bunch.

This is what was on the first arrest affadavit:

From there I went to 2863 S Conway Road and met with Dave Turner (maintenance man) and Amanda Macklin (manager). Neither claims to know Zenaida. . They were shown a picture of the missing Caylee and no one recognized her. The confirmed that the apartment the defendant has mentioned was vacant for 142 days. Dave Turner let me into the apartment, and I confirmed it was vacant. They ran several names in the system and found a Zenaida Gonzalez, who had come to look at an apartment on April 17. She was never a tenant. They gave me a “guest card” which was completed by Zenaida Gonzalez which contained her cell number…………….
While the defendant was with Detective Wells, I called the Zenaida Gonzalez I identified from the Sawgrass Apartments. She was open and responsive, and when asked, denied knowing Casey, Caylee, or babysitting for anyone at all. She agreed to meet with and investigator and to give a sworn statement. This was later done by OCSO Missing Persons Investigator Awilda McBryde and Investigator Kari Roderick where she was shown photos of the defendant and Caylee and denied knowing either.
Once back in the Universal parking lot, Sergeant Allen pulled up all the Zenaida Gonzalez’s in our DAVID system. The defendant couldn’t identify any of them based on this. I had him pull up the photo if the Zenaida I had just spoken to and the defendant said she didn’t recognize her.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

It looks like the Sawgrass people gave the wrong date (though the correct date was in the card filled out by Z Gonzalez), and this was not a big issue to the investigators that day. The big points were: No one lived in the apartment Casey said was where she left Caylee with her nanny, Gonzalez never lived there and did not know Casey and Caylee, and Casey could not recognize her picture.
My question to you is why you make inferences about her knowing more than she says or having some shady dealings involved with this a particular case. I do not see where the April/June discrepancy allows you to call her "trash."

[Roux]

Me either Jammies. Something here makes no sense and if it doesn't make sense then its not true. Course none of this case makes alot of sense. jmo

Here's one thing that makes no sense to me. Supposedly Casey lacked half a credit to get her HS diploma. Why didn't Cindy insist that Casey finish this requirement? Easy enough to do in summer school. She lets that go by the wayside, yet 3 or 4 yrs later she's ordering Jessie out of the house b/c he & Casey are in her bedroom watching TV. Inconsistent discipline IMO.
Also, Jessie has stated that Casey's behavior changed drastically. I don't understand how that could happen. A person doesn't get as screwed up mentally and adept a liar as Casey is in a relatively brief time span.

[OneUp]

I understand. Unfortunately, once Casey got to jail she refused to talk to LE anymore. I think Cindy and/or Lee researched ZFG on line to find out further information and from there developed their stories. I'm sure once Casey was sprung they fed her the "facts" too. Any further details we get about Zanny is from Cindy, George, Lee and Lenny. IIRC, the silver car was first made known by Lenny when he started spinning the Blanchard Park kidnapping theory. I don't recall Casey ever talking about the car, but I could be wrong, there's a lot of conflicting information in this case and it's so easy to get folk's statements confused. JMHO.Casey sent a text to AT LEAST one person saying a silver Ford Focus...I think it was to Brittany Schrieber (sp?)...after the text that said Caylee was missing and Brittany responded asking for more details.
JMO.

That info. was put out there VERY early in the case, long before ol Lenny was on the scene.

[Joan Weiss]

I agree, but I have to say; that often times there are indeed applications conveniently laying around on a desk or desks; but it would probably be at an intermittent time where it was convenient to "lift" the info by a person who was at least somewhat familiar with arrangements or schedule of the working staff on duty that particular day, especially if they were shorthanded or a temporary staff member in training.

Familiarity breeds contempt, and Casey was very familiar with the Sawgrass Apartment Complex---for more than one reason! She was, in my opinion, stalking the complex. She and AnnieD had a disagreement and falling out in March. It's been my opinion all along that Casey was stalking the complex since March, and would purposely position herself in areas nearby and around that complex.I recall that Ricardo(?) lived across the street. Casey was living there with Caylee. imo

[poplife]

oK, i haven't been reading here,so not sure if this has been discovered yet!


If you use your arrow keys very fast and go through the PDF files of the text messages, you can for a split second see under what is blacked out!

[martha]

I know that some people will send the a's money but I for one will not do that. Now if it was for caylee I sure would send it but caylee is no where to be found. jmho:rose:

[bballgrl]

What are you talking about? WHAT "donations?" She filed a legal suit, she's not asking for donations. You sure are chewing on this. What's up with that? imo

Actually Joan, I believe she is.... I think I saw it on the website for her lawyers office. I believe in the lawsuit, but not the donations.

[ruth66]

From the children's storybook...imo
.

I was thinking in a much more simple way. The fact at it rhymes. Does anyone remember the old "Barbara, Bo-Barbara, Be-Bi-Bo-Barbara thing. Just something silly. :)

[summer4meplz]

Is it like how they say two ugly people make a cute baby and two stupid people make a smart baby?

If we consider Casey smart, which she isn't a dummy, I mean I really dont know what is wrong with her, except shes responsible for her daughters disappearance.

So, shes a suspect now, right? Is Drew Peterson is suspect officially, like Casey is, because then there goes all my hopes they will lock her up soon. moo


there's always hope.....:rose:

[st777jo]

All I have to say I read how poor Zenaida had to wake up and her life changed forever,

SNIPPED

I am glad everyone who throws stones at Cindy have raised perfect children and have perfect marriages.

moo

Aren't you throwing stones at Zenaida? And been doing it for days now.

It seems you are keeping her at the top of your post on here, wonder why? Do you know her?

Zenaida had nothing to do with Caylee, so maybe you should get off your soap opera.

I don't believe the A's had anything to do with Caylee's demise. But one or more of the A's have a lot to do with the cover up after the fact.

JMOO, jo

[num1barb]

Casey sent a text to AT LEAST one person saying a silver Ford Focus...I think it was to Brittany Schrieber (sp?)...after the text that said Caylee was missing and Brittany responded asking for more details.
JMO.

That info. was put out there VERY early in the case, long before ol Lenny was on the scene.


IIRC, princess said silver ford focus, and the ZF-G who looked at Sawgrass drives some sort of Kia. This leads me to beleive that PPOF did not have one of her LE friends look up info....the car make and model would have matched. You can LOOK at a car and get the make and model wrong, but DMV computers would know the difference! LOL
KWIM

[summer4meplz]

oK, i haven't been reading here,so not sure if this has been discovered yet!


If you use your arrow keys very fast and go through the PDF files of the text messages, you can for a split second see under what is blacked out!


can you share with us what you saw?

[Ellie]

I agree, although I don't think her suit is important in the Caylee case. I do think that regardless of who/what ZG was before this, Casey used her name and implied that a ZG did something truely horrific.
I hope no one thinks ZG deserved being dragged into this mess because we may not like the # of kids she has or her tattoos.
No matter what type of person ZG was, it shouldn't matter. She didn't deserve to be brought into this and her name used to cast blame away from Casey. Yes, Casey and Cindy backtracked fast as soon as ZG was cleared but the damage was already done.

(Joan, not picking at you, your post is just the one I used as a springboard for my opinion)

Well of courseI don't think ZG 'deserved' this, and of course I think she should have her 'good name cleared'. Unless I wasn't paying attention I didn't see or hear anything about her losing her home and job because of all of this, I must have missed that part. I was under the impression that that had happened a long time ago. All I am saying is that everyone wants to make a buck, and I don't see her or her lawyer as doing or saying anything to tell me anything differently.

I don't care how many tattoo's she has (my best friend has at least 8!), or what she looks like, or if her hair is frizzy or if she weighs 98 or 398 pounds (I kinda think she's pretty, if you want to know the truth).

Everyone is here defending ZG and saying "how would you react and what would youdo, you don't know because you're safe in your home at your computer".... but a lot of posters have no problem bashing everyone else involved, such as Cindy and George Anthony. You can say, from behind the "safety of your computer", that you would not defend your daughter if this were going on, that you would call 911 right away (as Cindy did), and let LE have her. Ok. That's how you say you would react, but unless you were really put in that position, you don't know. None of us have any idea how Cindy Anthony reacts to stress, not a single one of us knowsher or what her relationship with Casey OR Caylee was like. So who are any of us to judge ANYONE?

'Sall I'm saying. I've already come to realize I am not one of the popular posters here (my posts go all but ignored unless I ignite someone, apparently), but I do appreciate those of you who at least hear me out. Whatever.

[shelbar53]

I have always thought Cindy was referring to the money she stole from GGF. I think Cindy wanted Casey to come up with the money and gve her 1 month to do so, and didn't want to give her 1 extra day to produce the money. JMO

IIRC, cindy didnt find out about the missing money until fathers day when greatgrandma told her

[num1barb]

Is it like how they say two ugly people make a cute baby and two stupid people make a smart baby?

If we consider Casey smart, which she isn't a dummy, I mean I really dont know what is wrong with her, except shes responsible for her daughters disappearance.

So, shes a suspect now, right? Is Drew Peterson is suspect officially, like Casey is, because then there goes all my hopes they will lock her up soon. moo

IMO LE has a lot more on princess than they do on drew. It's just a matter of time before princess is in the slammer, for good I hope!
Be patient, ciaobella :) it'll happen.

[BANJO GRANNY]

No, I never suggested Zenaida murdered anyone, I just think she knows a bit more than she is saying. If I am wrong, its not the first and it wont be the last, but something strikes me as wrong with that woman.

If someone came to my door, and asked me about being implicated in a missing child I would sure make the cops know exactly what date I indeed was there, instead of misleading them, I would have corrected them because to be accused of being somewhere around the same time a child was allegedly handed to me, I would just want to make my wearabouts crystal clear. moo


Well I hope nothing like that ever happens to me, cause I counld not tell you where all I was last week, let alone last month.


:rose:For Baby Caylee

[Joan Weiss]

Actually Joan, I believe she is.... I think I saw it on the website for her lawyers office. I believe in the lawsuit, but not the donations.Oh, really? Good, I think I'll send her some money...There's probably no cooking facilities in the hotel.

[martha]

Morning all i am so:cuss::cuss: i decided to see if Casey was still accepting frinds on her facebook and she is she accepted me last night and it has Casey is lol 11 hrs ago how could you be lol when your child is missing I guess she wants us to know she is lol at us. I guess she thinks her baby missing is funny. I hope we see the day we can laugh at her when she is in prison for life.jmho:rose:

[barskin&co.]

I am real sure she is taking donations, and I dont think wanting answers to this case is chewing, this is a message board right to discuss all aspects of this case right?

The question is, what right do you have to talk the way you do about her. We have a case about a woman who rode around with her dead child's body in the trunk of her car and partied on, and you say about Zenaida Gonzalez:

if anyone in this story its trash, its her, and I want her to be honest on how she knows Casey, because she probably does. moo

And, you can see in a post above where I adressed your very pressing April/June issue.

[ruth66]

I am going to step away from the ZG thing, it is pointless and will not help find Caylee IMO..
I have a question that I have asked a couple of times on this board that no one has responded to but I am going to ask again.....
If we believe the story GA tells of chasing Casey down the highway in CA's vehicle, how did Casey get possession of the vehicle and how in the world did she sneak it back. If I recall GA said this happened after the 15th and may have even been after the car was towed for Amscot. If GA went as far as to chase Casey on the highway, why not make sure to be there when the car is returned? Why not report that vehicle stolen right then and there? :shrug:

[bballgrl]

I just have a question that also knawls at me.

Now, when they showed Casey pictures to pick out of Zenaida, weren't they also pictures of the same woman, so what, there was about 8 mug shots of Zenaida, isn't that usually where the pictures come from?

I am not sure (could be wrong) but I believe that they were all women named Zenaida.. not all the same woman.. Again, I COULD BE WRONG.

[CeeKay]

I apologize in advance if this was mentioned:

Did anyone ever think that Casey was at the Sawgrass Apts. on the day that ZFG was there and seeing that she fit the image that CA had in mind, CA took the license number and had one of her policeman friends do a search as to the owner? Police can easily do a license check come up with a name.

Thus CA would have an apt., date and name to backup her story.

MOO

[margaritaville]

I have been wondering about the talk about the nanny. If you were around your friend all the time talking about the "nanny", "nanny this", "nanny that", "nanny has Caylee today", how would you remember when said friend started referring to her as Zanny. At the age these folks are (Casey's friends) it wouldn't be unusual to start joking around about "Zanny the Nanny". I know we do it here at home with the kids, it is how we bring humor into things. After hearing all of Casey's stories, it is clear that she picks up pieces of other stories and melds them into a new one to serve a certain purpose. So if she and her friends are already saying "Zanny the Nanny", why not make that name fit her situation. I am trying to figure out where this name came up. I do believe she went out of her way to find this ZFG. :shrug:

I keep thinking about what Cindy said on her taped interview..

About Zanny and how whenever Casey was out all night long she would tell her mom and Dad they (caylee & Casey) were crashing at Zanny's.

I think Zanny was a made up person fro the sloe purpose of giving Casey the freedom to sleep over at guys' houses. She couldn't tell her folks oh tonight we are sleeping at Ricardo's....the next night at Tony's ect. It just gave her the excuse that she needed.
Cindy even admits she never met Zanny because there was no need to!!

moo

[steffaroob4]

I agree, but I have to say; that often times there are indeed applications conveniently laying around on a desk or desks; but it would probably be at an intermittent time where it was convenient to "lift" the info by a person who was at least somewhat familiar with arrangements or schedule of the working staff on duty that particular day, especially if they were shorthanded or a temporary staff member in training.

Familiarity breeds contempt, and Casey was very familiar with the Sawgrass Apartment Complex---for more than one reason! She was, in my opinion, stalking the complex. She and AnnieD had a disagreement and falling out in March. It's been my opinion all along that Casey was stalking the complex since March, and would purposely position herself in areas nearby and around that complex.

I swore I was done talking about ZG, but this is a very interesting fact to pass along.

It may have just been a coincidence with ZG being at the Sawgrass apts.

If you do a google search of zenaida orlando -caylee -casey which removes most of the new stuff attached to this case. Which would be a search for Zenaida in the Orlando area.

The third result on the search give you a Zenaida Rodriguez

The 10th result shows a Zenaida Gonzalez Kotala, a UCF spokeswoman

[barskin&co.]

I just have a question that also knawls at me.

Now, when they showed Casey pictures to pick out of Zenaida, weren't they also pictures of the same woman, so what, there was about 8 mug shots of Zenaida, isn't that usually where the pictures come from?

Oy, there you go again. They used the drivers' license system. And they used every Zenaida Gonzalez:

Once back in the Universal parking lot, Sergeant Allen pulled up all the Zenaida Gonzalez’s in our DAVID system. The defendant couldn’t identify any of them based on this. I had him pull up the photo if the Zenaida I had just spoken to and the defendant said she didn’t recognize her.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

[Joan Weiss]

Well of courseI don't think ZG 'deserved' this, and of course I think she should have her 'good name cleared'. Unless I wasn't paying attention I didn't see or hear anything about her losing her home and job because of all of this, I must have missed that part. I was under the impression that that had happened a long time ago. All I am saying is that everyone wants to make a buck, and I don't see her or her lawyer as doing or saying anything to tell me anything differently.

I don't care how many tattoo's she has (my best friend has at least 8!), or what she looks like, or if her hair is frizzy or if she weighs 98 or 398 pounds (I kinda think she's pretty, if you want to know the truth).

Everyone is here defending ZG and saying "how would you react and what would youdo, you don't know because you're safe in your home at your computer".... but a lot of posters have no problem bashing everyone else involved, such as Cindy and George Anthony. You can say, from behind the "safety of your computer", that you would not defend your daughter if this were going on, that you would call 911 right away (as Cindy did), and let LE have her. Ok. That's how you say you would react, but unless you were really put in that position, you don't know. None of us have any idea how Cindy Anthony reacts to stress, not a single one of us knowsher or what her relationship with Casey OR Caylee was like. So who are any of us to judge ANYONE?

'Sall I'm saying. I've already come to realize I am not one of the popular posters here (my posts go all but ignored unless I ignite someone, apparently), but I do appreciate those of you who at least hear me out. Whatever."..everyone wants to make a buck..."

Thanks. That tells me where all this slime is coming from. What a sad statement. I can't relate. imo

Caylee is missing. :rose:

[summer4meplz]

Well of courseI don't think ZG 'deserved' this, and of course I think she should have her 'good name cleared'. Unless I wasn't paying attention I didn't see or hear anything about her losing her home and job because of all of this, I must have missed that part. I was under the impression that that had happened a long time ago. All I am saying is that everyone wants to make a buck, and I don't see her or her lawyer as doing or saying anything to tell me anything differently.

I don't care how many tattoo's she has (my best friend has at least 8!), or what she looks like, or if her hair is frizzy or if she weighs 98 or 398 pounds (I kinda think she's pretty, if you want to know the truth).

Everyone is here defending ZG and saying "how would you react and what would youdo, you don't know because you're safe in your home at your computer".... but a lot of posters have no problem bashing everyone else involved, such as Cindy and George Anthony. You can say, from behind the "safety of your computer", that you would not defend your daughter if this were going on, that you would call 911 right away (as Cindy did), and let LE have her. Ok. That's how you say you would react, but unless you were really put in that position, you don't know. None of us have any idea how Cindy Anthony reacts to stress, not a single one of us knowsher or what her relationship with Casey OR Caylee was like. So who are any of us to judge ANYONE?

'Sall I'm saying. I've already come to realize I am not one of the popular posters here (my posts go all but ignored unless I ignite someone, apparently), but I do appreciate those of you who at least hear me out. Whatever.


I don't ignore anyone, I read every single post....by the time I respond I am pages behind, so I often don't say much to the ppl I agree with...sometimes a ITA...but then, I'm behind again...but I appreciate everyone's input...as long as it doesn't turn into a bash fest of not having reading comprehension skills if I disagree with someone...I try to stay away from that kinda stuff....

As for Zenaida,,,,I don't care if Zenaida was casey's ****.....if she didn't know Caylee.....if she doesn't have anything to do with her disappearance and murder....I don't see the need to discuss her...but that's just me....it may come out to be the KEY...i don't know...i hope we have the opportunity to find out sooner than later....

[num1barb]

I am going to step away from the ZG thing, it is pointless and will not help find Caylee IMO..
I have a question that I have asked a couple of times on this board that no one has responded to but I am going to ask again.....
If we believe the story GA tells of chasing Casey down the highway in CA's vehicle, how did Casey get possession of the vehicle and how in the world did she sneak it back. If I recall GA said this happened after the 15th and may have even been after the car was towed for Amscot. If GA went as far as to chase Casey on the highway, why not make sure to be there when the car is returned? Why not report that vehicle stolen right then and there? :shrug:

I'd like to know the answer to that, too ruth.

Is george's entire interview available or only parts of it? I am hoping to have time this weekend to listen to or watch the interviews.

[summer4meplz]

I just have a question that also knawls at me.

Now, when they showed Casey pictures to pick out of Zenaida, weren't they also pictures of the same woman, so what, there was about 8 mug shots of Zenaida, isn't that usually where the pictures come from?



I don't know about them being mug shots...but I do faintly remember someone,,,,the maintenance man? saying they showed him several pictures of the same person....is that normal?

[ruth66]

IMO she got it from the book, that's all there is to that, IMO. I also think that's why she called her the nanny, it's cute, Zanny the Nanny. Who knows with this odious critter, no one is ever going to be able to figure out what goes on in the mind of a sociopath. IMO her life of lies was more a source of amusement for her as she watched other people eat them up. JMO.

I kind of got the impression that Nanny sounds better to her than babysitter. Wasn't it Ryan who said something about her always wanting to ONE UP him (my words). That is why she said she was going to college and holding down a job and was able to pay so much for her "nanny". It was all fluff for sure.:)

[poplife]

can you share with us what you saw?

It's NOT easy, you have to read really fast and keep clicking back and forth.

One for sure that I read in texts from Amy's phone after the last text between her and Casey was a text from someone saying "on channel 7 I think"

I also read something (it was far too long) that said, or it looked like, I know a lie...

I'm sooo curious to hear/read what her friends were saying when they first found out.

[BANJO GRANNY]

Well, I don't believe the First name of Zenaida is too unusual for Casey because she went to school with a Zenaida! Maybe Casey Anthony and Zenaida Arroyo had a class together and/or maybe that Zenaida's nic was "Zanny"?

http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htm
WOW I bet they are sure glad they did not pick Casey for treasurer of their class.
IMO


:rose:For Baby Caylee

[steffaroob4]

can you share with us what you saw?

It is an trick that your eyes is playing on you. I can pull out any page of a pdf and examine it, you can't remove the blackened areas.
I have read the pdfs without the blackened areas, there is nothing important there.

[margaritaville]

can you share with us what you saw?


It is mainly phone numbers

[barskin&co.]

I didn't ask about that, I asked about when Casey was showed pictures of Zenaida.

And I answered you, they used the pictures in the drivers' license system:

Once back in the Universal parking lot, Sergeant Allen pulled up all the Zenaida Gonzalez’s in our DAVID system. The defendant couldn’t identify any of them based on this. I had him pull up the photo if the Zenaida I had just spoken to and the defendant said she didn’t recognize her.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

[OneUp]

I totally agree with you, Rock. It appears Mark Hacking's parents were one in a million.Here is the link to a recent case where a parent (Scott Morris' father) has chosen to be truthful, and his statements could well lead to his sons imprisonment. He told the truth and has allowed the chips to fall where they may. IMO, it only takes Humanity and common sense to tell the truth. No one would think it easy to do the right thing if it might send your child to prison...but that is no excuse to lie, point blaming fingers, hinder the police by dragging out the information exchange, re-write your story time and again, etc., etc.
The Kelly Morris Disappearance case:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=339654&page=2
:: home :: granville

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/3612137/
"But James Morris, Scott Morris' father, told investigators that his son called him around 10 p.m. and asked him to watch the couple's children while he went to search for his wife."

* This site is a pay site...but the front page quote tells how the Fathers truthful statements contradict his sons lies.

Warrant adds to missing woman mystery

BY WILLIAM F. WEST : The [Henderson] Daily Dispatch
Sep 26, 2008

"OXFORD -- Statements by Scott Morris about the disappearance of his wife, Kelly, are inconsistent and do not jibe with statements by his father, Jimmy, regarding his son's whereabouts the night before she was officially declared missing. "
http://heraldsun.southernheadlines.com/granville/11-992828.cfm


Being a parent doesn't give you an excuse to ignore the right thing to do...when you lie for your child or attack those who are working for the truth you become an ENABLER, not a parent. Good parenting means you are more interested in doing what is best for your child than in being their friend or excusing them from culpability. Expecting your child to face the consequences of their actions is always what is right. Always.

One can always choose to say NOTHING, rather than lie. I have enough disgust when people lie for their loved ones who have harmed a stranger...but to lie to cover the one who most likely murdered ( and AT LEAST abandoned ) your own grandchild?!?!? Reprehensible. There is denial, and there are lies...the two aren't so hard to tell apart if one has a bit of common sense.
JMO.

[darcie]

The only people "keeping" up this charade are the cops.

You have DNA evidence of a dead Caylee and proof of decomp in the trunk and Casey is not charged why now? Like George and Cindy have any chance of normalcy with that monster living in their house. moo


The Anthony's chose to bail Casey out----no one forced them to.

[nc1948]

10 pages--397 posts--141 about Zenaida. Sorry, I came on here to discuss Caylee not the nanny. I do not believe she is relelvant to Caylee being missing. See you all on the afternoon thread, maybe we can discuss Caylee then.

[st777jo]

I just have a question that also knawls at me.

Now, when they showed Casey pictures to pick out of Zenaida, weren't they also pictures of the same woman, so what, there was about 8 mug shots of Zenaida, isn't that usually where the pictures come from?

I do not know for sure how that went down, ok? But one thing most of us believe is Casey is a LIAR.

Even if she had met Z, doesn't mean she would admit to it, right?

[crymeariver2006]

I would be most interested to know if Casey ever had a grudge against this Zenaida in high school, maybe over a boy, or something weird like that, and it just stuck in Caseys brain, and however she got the Zenaida stuff from Sawgrass was a huge coincidence. I really was ready to let the Zenaida thing go until I heard Mr. Grund said he had heard her mentioned before.

uggh.


No, he said he had heard the name "Zanny" before. Not "Zenaida".

[not.another]

I agree, but I have to say; that often times there are indeed applications conveniently laying around on a desk or desks; but it would probably be at an intermittent time where it was convenient to "lift" the info by a person who was at least somewhat familiar with arrangements or schedule of the working staff on duty that particular day, especially if they were shorthanded or a temporary staff member in training.

Familiarity breeds contempt, and Casey was very familiar with the Sawgrass Apartment Complex---for more than one reason! She was, in my opinion, stalking the complex. She and AnnieD had a disagreement and falling out in March. It's been my opinion all along that Casey was stalking the complex since March, and would purposely position herself in areas nearby and around that complex.
IIRC - Casey did tell Lee that she staked out Sawgrass in the hopes of finding Zanny. Told a little bit of truth there didnt she? The only difference is she staked it out before Caylee went missing, not after. imo

[summer4meplz]

I am going to step away from the ZG thing, it is pointless and will not help find Caylee IMO..
I have a question that I have asked a couple of times on this board that no one has responded to but I am going to ask again.....
If we believe the story GA tells of chasing Casey down the highway in CA's vehicle, how did Casey get possession of the vehicle and how in the world did she sneak it back. If I recall GA said this happened after the 15th and may have even been after the car was towed for Amscot. If GA went as far as to chase Casey on the highway, why not make sure to be there when the car is returned? Why not report that vehicle stolen right then and there? :shrug:



I know I don't respond to questions that I don't know the answer to.....I guess no one knows....the story is new to us...to me anyway...I don't remember hearing about this until they released GA's interview....do you all know the real story and just decided not to tell me? lol

[SavannahStar]

What are you talking about? WHAT "donations?" She filed a legal suit, she's not asking for donations. You sure are chewing on this. What's up with that? imo

Right from Morgan's website, "Contribute to the Zenaida Gonzalez Fund"....:rolleyes:

http://www.forthepeople.com/

[barskin&co.]

I heard that Casey was shown pictures of women to identify as Zenaida, and she couldn't pick her out, but all the pics she was shown were of the Zenaida that we are now seeing on tv.

Is anything normal about this, lol?

That is not true.

Once back in the Universal parking lot, Sergeant Allen pulled up all the Zenaida Gonzalez’s in our DAVID system. The defendant couldn’t identify any of them based on this. I had him pull up the photo if the Zenaida I had just spoken to and the defendant said she didn’t recognize her
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

[farrahrani]

No, I just think she knows Casey Anthony and its not in a respectable way. moo


I think police would have thoroughly investigated this woman and made a point of any connections she had with Casey by now. It's already been noted on Nancy Grace that none of the cell phone records contained any numbers or any contact with a Zenaida. If Casey knew her, most likely her cell phone would have been used in contact with her, as she used it so much. She is not a person of interest. Casey herself was shown a picture of her and did not recognize her, or at least claimed not to.
As usual, all my statements are imo.

How could she possibly know her, in light of this?

[SavannahStar]

No, he said he had heard the name "Zanny" before. Not "Zenaida".

But wasn't it Morales who did hear "Zenaida"? He asked Casey about "Zanny" and she told him "Zenaida." That's been brought up on here.

[tiny paw-prints]

I recall that Ricardo(?) lived across the street. Casey was living there with Caylee. imo

That's correct...although I didn't want to mention it without providing some kinda link for proof. Not many are aware of the close proximity of the Ricardo, et al "flop house" to the Sawgrass Apt complex. There is a (personal?) reason that Casey was obssessed and stalking the Sawgrass complex. IMO.

Either a vindictive or jealousy reason, or both? Those reasons stemming from March 2008!

[bballgrl]

10 pages--397 posts--141 about Zenaida. Sorry, I came on here to discuss Caylee not the nanny. I do not believe she is relelvant to Caylee being missing. See you all on the afternoon thread, maybe we can discuss Caylee then.

If you have something that you would like to discuss, throw it out there. If you don't share what it is you would like to discuss, you can't expect us to know. Currently the topic is ZFG, she is a PART of this case (maybe not an important part.. but there you go) and therefore is fair game. If you want to share your thoughts, go ahead. If there is something you don't like... skip and scroll...

[Freefall]

It is an trick that your eyes is playing on you. I can pull out any page of a pdf and examine it, you can't remove the blackened areas.
I have read the pdfs without the blackened areas, there is nothing important there.

Yes you can remove the blackened areas. The redaction was not done correctly, and yes, you are right, there is nothing important there. IMO

[barskin&co.]

This is all I want to know, and it never, ever gets answered, because it bothers me a whole bunch.

I guess I have to repost this until she gets it.

From there I went to 2863 S Conway Road and met with Dave Turner (maintenance man) and Amanda Macklin (manager). Neither claims to know Zenaida. . They were shown a picture of the missing Caylee and no one recognized her. The confirmed that the apartment the defendant has mentioned was vacant for 142 days. Dave Turner let me into the apartment, and I confirmed it was vacant. They ran several names in the system and found a Zenaida Gonzalez, who had come to look at an apartment on April 17. She was never a tenant. They gave me a “guest card” which was completed by Zenaida Gonzalez which contained her cell number…………….
While the defendant was with Detective Wells, I called the Zenaida Gonzalez I identified from the Sawgrass Apartments. She was open and responsive, and when asked, denied knowing Casey, Caylee, or babysitting for anyone at all. She agreed to meet with and investigator and to give a sworn statement. This was later done by OCSO Missing Persons Investigator Awilda McBryde and Investigator Kari Roderick where she was shown photos of the defendant and Caylee and denied knowing either.
Once back in the Universal parking lot, Sergeant Allen pulled up all the Zenaida Gonzalez’s in our DAVID system. The defendant couldn’t identify any of them based on this. I had him pull up the photo if the Zenaida I had just spoken to and the defendant said she didn’t recognize her.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

It looks like the Sawgrass people gave the wrong date (though the correct date was in the card filled out by Z Gonzalez), and this was not a big issue to the investigators that day. The big points were: No one lived in the apartment Casey said was where she left Caylee with her nanny, Gonzalez never lived there and did not know Casey and Caylee, and Casey could not recognize her picture.
My question to you is why you make inferences about her knowing more than she says or having some shady dealings involved with this a particular case. I do not see where the April/June discrepancy allows you to call her "trash."

[Joan Weiss]

Oh, come on Joanie!
You don't really believe ZG's reasons for suing are altruistic?
You think she has a burning desire to return to her house-cleaning career?
She's doing this for the MONEY. Period.
not that there's anything wrong with that...
Let's call it what it is, though.I find it interesting that some posters readily accept that motive. Shows a mindset...imo

[poplife]

It is an trick that your eyes is playing on you. I can pull out any page of a pdf and examine it, you can't remove the blackened areas.
I have read the pdfs without the blackened areas, there is nothing important there.
I don't think it's anything important, I'm just curious to see how it played out between the friends as word traveled. Nibby Nose.

[SavannahStar]

If you have something that you would like to discuss, throw it out there. If you don't share what it is you would like to discuss, you can't expect us to know. Currently the topic is ZFG, she is a PART of this case (maybe not an important part.. but there you go) and therefore is fair game. If you want to share your thoughts, go ahead. If there is something you don't like... skip and scroll...


Well said. She IS part of this case, unwittingly.

Should we say the same about Lee? We talk about him often enough. How about Jesse Grund....Richard Grund.....Amy H. I don't see complaints so much when we discuss them. Yes, the case IS about Caylee. And Casey, the suspect. But there are MANY MANY people who peripheral roles an can be discussed.

[crymeariver2006]

I swore I was done talking about ZG, but this is a very interesting fact to pass along.

It may have just been a coincidence with ZG being at the Sawgrass apts.

If you do a google search of zenaida orlando -caylee -casey which removes most of the new stuff attached to this case. Which would be a search for Zenaida in the Orlando area.

The third result on the search give you a Zenaida Rodriguez

The 10th result shows a Zenaida Gonzalez Kotala, a UCF spokeswoman

Wait a minute, didn't Casey (in one part of the police tapes) say something about Zenaida attending UCF?

Or was it U of F?

Wonder if she saw that Zenaida and just tacked on that little bit of information for the police?

[summer4meplz]

Would having your oxygen cut off by your mother almost chocking you out count?:biggrin:



coupled with almost constant contact with her cell phone...

[trich]

And I answered you, they used the pictures in the drivers' license system:

Once back in the Universal parking lot, Sergeant Allen pulled up all the Zenaida Gonzalez’s in our DAVID system. The defendant couldn’t identify any of them based on this. I had him pull up the photo if the Zenaida I had just spoken to and the defendant said she didn’t recognize her.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

Thanks I was looking for that.
A shame that info gets mispoke so often.
I guess if you want to believe something (bad or good )so much you try
to make it appear what in reality it is not.


Oops I think I just described Casey.

[steffaroob4]

Yes you can remove the blackened areas. The redaction was not done correctly, and yes, you are right, there is nothing important there. IMO

I agree with you, I should have said most in my statement. I will admit there are some PDFs I haven't looked at, I agree there is nothing there interesting. Amy was very giving of her information and I think that the personal stuff should stay that way.
All that is there is mostly shock from friends and stuff about the early search stuff that happened at Publix.

[crymeariver2006]

Well said. She IS part of this case, unwittingly.

Should we say the same about Lee? We talk about him often enough. How about Jesse Grund....Richard Grund.....Amy H. I don't see complaints so much when we discuss them. Yes, the case IS about Caylee. And Casey, the suspect. But there are MANY MANY people who peripheral roles an can be discussed.

Discussed, yes. Posting "facts" from slander sites, no.

JMO though.

[summer4meplz]

It's NOT easy, you have to read really fast and keep clicking back and forth.

One for sure that I read in texts from Amy's phone after the last text between her and Casey was a text from someone saying "on channel 7 I think"

I also read something (it was far too long) that said, or it looked like, I know a lie...

I'm sooo curious to hear/read what her friends were saying when they first found out.

I'm not a lawyer but maybe it would be best to NOT share...it might compromise the investigation? so thanks anyway....I would rather err on the side of caution...:)

[barskin&co.]

Okay, I am through. I have answered CiaoBella's constant misinformation about ZG, and she continues to post it. hammer
I am off this part of the case.

[poplife]

I agree with you, I should have said most in my statement. I will admit there are some PDFs I haven't looked at, I agree there is nothing there interesting. Amy was very giving of her information and I think that the personal stuff should stay that way.
All that is there is mostly shock from friends and stuff about the early search stuff that happened at Publix.
WEll, despite your feeling that it should remain private, seems you've read it? Thanks for sharing the secret.

[ruth66]

I'd like to know the answer to that, too ruth.

Is george's entire interview available or only parts of it? I am hoping to have time this weekend to listen to or watch the interviews.

I had the hardest time listening to GA's interview because my computer would not play it all. It would stop after about 5 mins. I had read that lots of people were having the same problem. I read a post where someone suggested downloading it to your desktop (I had already tried downloading it to a file with no luck). So I right-clicked, saved target as....on desktop, waited about 25 minutes and viola there it was. That is the only way I was able to hear it. I don't know how to do links here, but it is listed on the links page (second to last page)....hope that helps...:)

[Ellie]

I guess she wants us to know she is lol at us. I guess she thinks her baby missing is funny. I hope we see the day we can laugh at her when she is in prison for life.jmho:rose:

I cannot wait for the day Casey is behind bars. I think the only way anyone will ever find out what happened to Caylee is after Casey has been in prison for some time and starts to crack. You know, allow priviledges for information... she gives info and then she gets to go outside for an hour. Like that.

The clip NG plays on her show constantly, where Casey is walking out of jail, by herself, wearing the white t-shirt and her hair is in a little pigtail? She looks to her right at something, no idea what, I watched the clip last night for probably the 50th time...but last night was the first time I got the chills. When Casey is looking to her right, toward the car parked there, a camera flash goes off and illuminates her face, and she looks seriously and purely evil. Just evil. I hope that's not the last thing Caylee saw before she died. I hope Casey didn't look at Caylee as she did whatever she did to her.

[shelbar53]

I am going to step away from the ZG thing, it is pointless and will not help find Caylee IMO..
I have a question that I have asked a couple of times on this board that no one has responded to but I am going to ask again.....
If we believe the story GA tells of chasing Casey down the highway in CA's vehicle, how did Casey get possession of the vehicle and how in the world did she sneak it back. If I recall GA said this happened after the 15th and may have even been after the car was towed for Amscot. If GA went as far as to chase Casey on the highway, why not make sure to be there when the car is returned? Why not report that vehicle stolen right then and there? :shrug:

I never understood the point of that story, and cindy didnt know about it at all and it was her car. still thinking what was george trying to hide, cover, invent with that story.

[steffaroob4]

I know I don't respond to questions that I don't know the answer to.....I guess no one knows....the story is new to us...to me anyway...I don't remember hearing about this until they released GA's interview....do you all know the real story and just decided not to tell me? lol

I am really interested in that GA statement. I wonder if CA parked in an area where casey could have been borrowing her car at times, without Cindys knowledge.

Better topic for today, what are we missing as far as discovery.

EZ-Pass records
Annie D. interview
Lab Tests

[WinnieLeigh7]

Well dang, I was hoping to come here and see the board flying with "she's arrest"...

guess I'll go back to work to pass some time...

:seeya: Hey All

check back later... :seeya: Bye All LOL

[margaritaville]

I'm thoroughly confused, no big surprise there, but didn't the Anthonys initially indicate that they had never heard of Zanny? TIA


Oh no ,,Even if you go back to the bond hearing and watch Cindy on the stand she talks about Zanny and that she was "Caylee's nanny for about a year and a half".

Cindy makes it clear that Casey has talked about Zanny and that when ever caylee and Casey were gone overnight,Casey would tell her they were crashing at Zanny's.......


Snip>>>>

CINDY ANTHONY: Any time Caylee ever stayed away from the house, Casey said she was with Zanny.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

CINDY ANTHONY: And it wasn`t that often that -- you know, maybe a night here or there, sporadically. But she always said she was crashing at Zanny`s.


CINDY ANTHONY: Zanny is the baby-sitter that has watched Caylee consistently for the last maybe year-and-a-half. Nobody that you met, so - - there was no reason to meet her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So she actually told you on the 16th, I plan on staying at Zanny`s for a late event.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes. Most definitely.

GEORGE ANTHONY: I mean, that`s what my wife reiterated to me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You didn`t have those conversations, just your wife?

GEORGE ANTHONY: Right.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/30/ng.01.html

[crymeariver2006]

I went to the daily BS blog.

What should be called the BS everday blog.

I saw the documents there.

In the words of Baez, 'it wouldn't be the first time official documents were altered.'

Yeah he did sound like he was an authority on altered documents.

:D

[day2day]

I went to the daily BS blog.

What should be called the BS everday blog.

I saw the documents there.

In the words of Baez, 'it wouldn't be the first time official documents were altered.'

BS-IMO also-this is the person that had on his radio show that Mr. Miller was going to have an announcement about this case. As we all know-that was BS.

jmo

[darcie]

I'm thoroughly confused, no big surprise there, but didn't the Anthonys initially indicate that they had never heard of Zanny? TIA

I dont think we can help BUT be confused. In an interview with LE, Cindy stated that at that time, she though Zanny was Jesse or Amy.

:shrug: That to me pretty well says...there is no Zanny.

[steffaroob4]

Wait a minute, didn't Casey (in one part of the police tapes) say something about Zenaida attending UCF?

Or was it U of F?

Wonder if she saw that Zenaida and just tacked on that little bit of information for the police?

I told you that this was an interesting nugget, lol.

I think she could have easily done a search of the name Zenaida in the Orlando area and come with some of her facts on the first page of a google search.

[summer4meplz]

Well said. She IS part of this case, unwittingly.

Should we say the same about Lee? We talk about him often enough. How about Jesse Grund....Richard Grund.....Amy H. I don't see complaints so much when we discuss them. Yes, the case IS about Caylee. And Casey, the suspect. But there are MANY MANY people who peripheral roles an can be discussed.



But, IMHO, talking about zenaida is so irrelevant because she doesn't know anything..

Lee, Jesse and Richard Grund...Amy all the boyfriends DO know things pertinent to casey....and Caylee.....

I'd like to know more about GA chasing casey....

[trich]

Okay, I am through. I have answered CiaoBella's constant misinformation about ZG, and she continues to post it. hammer
I am off this part of the case.

I agree... some will believe what they want to no matter what.

[steffaroob4]

Steff .. you're wrong. The redaction was not done correctly.

Open the PDF in Adobe Reader. I'm using version 8.1.2. Using the select tool, draw a box around the line you want to see. Go to edit-->copy. Open Microsoft Paint or similar imaging program and paste the image. No more black stripe! .
Try it.

I said I was wrong, they shouldn't be like that, but some I guess are. I haven't looked at those, because I have the originals, my bad.

[barskin&co.]

I have a grandaughter exactly Caylee's age living with me. These beautiful children LOVE TO TALK. They remember people and names. Talk, talk, talk. Caylee WOULD have talked about a Zanny to Cindy ALL THE TIME, if Zanny existed. I mean they tell us Caylee did so many THINGS with Zanny, EVEN SPENT THE NIGHT.....so Cindy is so much to blame here,perpetuating a phantom person...who she KNOWS never existed.

Of course, and when Cindy was asked by reporters if Caylee ever mentioned "Zanny's" name, she would reply that it would never come up. She wanted us to believe that it made perfect sense tht Caylee never mentioned her name. It made no sense that Cindy never noticed that Caylee never mentioned her name, IMO.

[Freefall]

I agree with you, I should have said most in my statement. I will admit there are some PDFs I haven't looked at, I agree there is nothing there interesting. Amy was very giving of her information and I think that the personal stuff should stay that way.
All that is there is mostly shock from friends and stuff about the early search stuff that happened at Publix.

Exactly, and I think OCSD better learn how to redact/pdf properly before they release documents to the public. If I recall they released one set of docs with the SSNs visible. Pretty sloppy.

[crymeariver2006]

I never understood the point of that story, and cindy didnt know about it at all and it was her car. still thinking what was george trying to hide, cover, invent with that story.

Maybe "invent" as in somebody else was driving Casey's car at the time and that's why she was driving Cindy's?

Sounds like the script page numbers were messed up.

:D

[margaritaville]

I have a grandaughter exactly Caylee's age living with me. These beautiful children LOVE TO TALK. They remember people and names. Talk, talk, talk. Caylee WOULD have talked about a Zanny to Cindy ALL THE TIME, if Zanny existed. I mean they tell us Caylee did so many THINGS with Zanny, EVEN SPENT THE NIGHT.....so Cindy is so much to blame here,perpetuating a phantom person...who she KNOWS never existed.


ITA...............

But now Cindy is changing her theory AGAIN!!

If you listen to Cindy at the bond hearing she said that Zanny was Caylee's nanny for a year and a half........

Now this is what she is claiming........

Snip>>>>

CINDY ANTHONY: I`m not sure. But my -- I have two theories, and I`ll share that with you. I think Zanny could either be Amy or Jesse, at this point.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/30/ng.01.html

[Texas48]

All I have to say I read how poor Zenaida had to wake up and her life changed forever, and whats going to happen to her, shes going to be commenting on outrageous cop scenes, she has lost nothing obviously it sounds like to begin with, she could have just distanced herself and not did any interviews and take the high road, no one thought she really did anything anyways initially after Casey blew the cops minds with her Universal stunt. Poor Zenaida, who is now showing us what her face looks like, as to before she didn't even want to be seen, blech.

Then we have the Anthonys who woke up one day and smelled their decomposing grandaughter in the trunk of a car they knew their daughter had and was avoiding them, and their worst fears are confirmed. Cindy takes more heat than Casey does because she was just the worst mother on the face of the earth to some because she isn't acting the way others think she should, and she should have just seen the warning signs something was wrong with Casey, setting aside the FACT Cindy was seeing someone to talk to about Casey and what to do. I am glad everyone who throws stones at Cindy have raised perfect children and have perfect marriages.

moo
Excellent post. We should all stop and consider this post and our lives. There is no way anyone can tell me exactly how they would react in a case like this one. Not when our children are involved. I would never say NEVER. jmo

[ruth66]

I know I don't respond to questions that I don't know the answer to.....I guess no one knows....the story is new to us...to me anyway...I don't remember hearing about this until they released GA's interview....do you all know the real story and just decided not to tell me? lol

I for one can say I don't know the real story but sure am interested as it is part of a timeline in my mind. Maybe someone will have more answers or maybe LE doesn't want us to know at this point....still make me go hmmm....:)

[Joan Weiss]

I went to the daily BS blog.

What should be called the BS everday blog.

I saw the documents there.

In the words of Baez, 'it wouldn't be the first time official documents were altered.'Hi, LS. :seeya:

You just triggered my memory about Baez. I'm recalling his anti-government rant early on in this case. All LE is trying to do is find this precious baby, and all Baez is trying to do is further his own agenda. imo

[MyrDawn]

I went to the daily BS blog.

What should be called the BS everday blog.

I saw the documents there.

In the words of Baez, 'it wouldn't be the first time official documents were altered.'

It would have been very easy to create those documents on a computer and scan them. I think the site would have linked to the actual records if they were the real McCoy. Since they didn't, I believe they're a bunch of BS.
JMO

[day2day]

ITA...............

But now Cindy is changing her theory AGAIN!!

If you listen to Cindy at the bond hearing she said that Zanny was Caylee's nanny for a year and a half........

Now this is what she is claiming........

Snip>>>>

CINDY ANTHONY: I`m not sure. But my -- I have two theories, and I`ll share that with you. I think Zanny could either be Amy or Jesse, at this point.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/30/ng.01.html


So she lied on the stand. She lied during her interview. Doesn't surprise me one bit!!

And still they refuse to search for Caylee...they make me so sad :(..

[OneUp]

IIRC, princess said silver ford focus, and the ZF-G who looked at Sawgrass drives some sort of Kia. This leads me to beleive that PPOF did not have one of her LE friends look up info....the car make and model would have matched. You can LOOK at a car and get the make and model wrong, but DMV computers would know the difference! LOL
KWIM
Yep, I DO know what you mean. I would know a car like a porsche, or a mustang...something distinctive looking, but I couldn't tell a Kia, from a Focus, from a ton of other typical cars. I do think that if the info. was looked up in LE data bases that the make of the car would be correct...and I bet Casey would have pinched some other info. there as well. IF the evictions are true ( re. Z F-G), Casey could have pulled some REAL addie's from those records and taken LE to real places that Z F-G had lived.
I think using a nearly correct description was an attempt to both point the finger elsewhere, but also to leave wiggle room for Casey so she wasn't "boxed in" to any specific Zenaida. I believe that Casey purposely failed to ID her from pictures. LE can clear a "real" suspect alot faster than a made up one.
JMO.

[summer4meplz]

Oh no ,,Even if you go back to the bond hearing and watch Cindy on the stand she talks about Zanny and that she was "Caylee's nanny for about a year and a half".

Cindy makes it clear that Casey has talked about Zanny and that when ever caylee and Casey were gone overnight,Casey would tell her they were crashing at Zanny's.......


Snip>>>>

CINDY ANTHONY: Any time Caylee ever stayed away from the house, Casey said she was with Zanny.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

CINDY ANTHONY: And it wasn`t that often that -- you know, maybe a night here or there, sporadically. But she always said she was crashing at Zanny`s.


CINDY ANTHONY: Zanny is the baby-sitter that has watched Caylee consistently for the last maybe year-and-a-half. Nobody that you met, so - - there was no reason to meet her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So she actually told you on the 16th, I plan on staying at Zanny`s for a late event.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes. Most definitely.

GEORGE ANTHONY: I mean, that`s what my wife reiterated to me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You didn`t have those conversations, just your wife?

GEORGE ANTHONY: Right.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/30/ng.01.html



Do you think cindy was telling the truth?

[Broderick]

Steff .. you're wrong. The redaction was not done correctly.

Open the PDF in Adobe Reader. I'm using version 8.1.2. Using the select tool, draw a box around the line you want to see. Go to edit-->copy. Open Microsoft Paint or similar imaging program and paste the image. No more black stripe! .
Try it.

Works pasting to Word. Thanks for the tip.

[margaritaville]

The mother, grandmother, grandfather, & uncle of Caylee have all lied to authorities.

And some here are transfixed with a woman who has nothing to do with this case other than being named by the only suspect.

Who is here for Caylee?

And it's always a pleasure to see you Lost One. :)


I am here for Caylee.........But bringing up Zanny also brings up all the lies from Cindy, George, Lee and Casey that seem to intertwine.

If every time a Anthony brings up the name Zanny, we know it is a lie...
And trying to decipher what it really means is part of the puzzle of Caylee.........

moo

[steffaroob4]

Exactly, and I think OCSD better learn how to redact/pdf properly before they release documents to the public. If I recall they released one set of docs with the SSNs visible. Pretty sloppy.

It is NOT LE job to redact those. They release info as it is, it is the different media orgs that redact things, that is why some people have the originals.
It was one of the local papers that released the SS numbers and there was a statement about that from Attorney Generals office. Under the Sunshine law, they don't have to remove those types of think. IIRC

[KathR]

What right do I have? First amendment, just like how anyone here can say anything they want about Cindy or George or Casey, or whoever.

Why any of you want to tar and feather me for having legit questions about Zeniada and how she all fits in is your right, and I am not going to talk down to you for that right, and I would appreciate the same.

I am not sorry I am not one sided.

Like many Americans you are wrong in your beliefs about the Constitution. The Constitution does not give you any rights at all. The Amendments to the Constitution merely restrict the power of the federal government.

Here is the exact text of the first amendment.

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Do you understand now? The first amendment does not guarantee you any right. Nor does it restrict private entities from limiting your rights. It only restricts Congress. It says "Congress shall make no law...."

[Texas48]

With all due respect, I think are more important questions that need answered in this case. Like where is Caylee and what did Casey do with her?
Well....good luck w/that question.

[Ellie]

I find it interesting that some posters readily accept that motive. Shows a mindset...imo

What do you think her motive is? She has to know she's not going to get any money.... there isn't any money to get.

And to those of you who are having issue with all the ZG discussion... sorry the threads aren't about what is appropriate courtroom attire, whether water bottles and coolers will or will not be allowed in the courtroom, whether the expression on Cindy's face as she's being chased through a parking lot by people with cameras and microphones is appropriate. I think ZG is a very on-topic topic. Way more than whether Cindy should or can wear freaking shorts to court.

[barskin&co.]

Can I say that it threw me for a loop when Zanny said she "cleaned" for a living? sorry if I'm being crazy, but that was a huge red flag for me.

JMO.

You can say it, but I don't know what the hay you're talking about.

[girlspell]

I cannot wait for the day Casey is behind bars. I think the only way anyone will ever find out what happened to Caylee is after Casey has been in prison for some time and starts to crack. You know, allow priviledges for information... she gives info and then she gets to go outside for an hour. Like that.

The clip NG plays on her show constantly, where Casey is walking out of jail, by herself, wearing the white t-shirt and her hair is in a little pigtail? She looks to her right at something, no idea what, I watched the clip last night for probably the 50th time...but last night was the first time I got the chills. When Casey is looking to her right, toward the car parked there, a camera flash goes off and illuminates her face, and she looks seriously and purely evil. Just evil. I hope that's not the last thing Caylee saw before she died. I hope Casey didn't look at Caylee as she did whatever she did to her.

My thoughts exactly. I saw that clip again, and really for the first time I thought she really looked evil. My husband (who was watching) commented he thought so also.

[summer4meplz]

I for one can say I don't know the real story but sure am interested as it is part of a timeline in my mind. Maybe someone will have more answers or maybe LE doesn't want us to know at this point....still make me go hmmm....:)

It also goes to george's state of mind....he was obviously VERY suspicious of casey's activities.....imo

[margaritaville]

Do you think cindy was telling the truth?

I think she was saying what was told to her.......

Do I think she believes it?? Not a chance.

Especially now that she is admitting she thinks Zanny is either Amy or Jesse........

moo

[Broderick]

You can say it, but I don't know what the hay you're talking about.

Scratching head. I wonder how much the loop would have been if she was a sanitation engineer.

[bballgrl]

Hey, Besides driving the little caylee billboard trailer around town, asking for donations and having vigils in their over-burdened neighborhood, does anyone know if the Anthony's have done ANYTHING at all to search for a missing Caylee? I haven't heard anything on that subject and I am really curious.

I know that CA was upset that TES was looking for a dead Caylee and she wanted to look for a LIVE Caylee... did any single one of the Anthony's participate in a single TES search?

TIA (no 911 calls please....:D)

[tiny paw-prints]

I swore I was done talking about ZG, but this is a very interesting fact to pass along.

It may have just been a coincidence with ZG being at the Sawgrass apts.

If you do a google search of zenaida orlando -caylee -casey which removes most of the new stuff attached to this case. Which would be a search for Zenaida in the Orlando area.

The third result on the search give you a Zenaida Rodriguez

The 10th result shows a Zenaida Gonzalez Kotala, a UCF spokeswoman

I don't understand how you, or anyone for that matter, can be "done" talking or discussing about Zenaida! It's at least significant enough to place Zenaida Gonzalez on the prosecutor's witness list! As well as other players who resided at the Sawgrass Apartment Complex; Annie Dowling and Dante Salah, who are also named witnesses. They too, will have something significant to offer in the way of testimony.

Perhaps the disgreement or falling out in March 2008 between Casey and AnnieD had something to do about money stolen from Annie which then left Casey one less "dependent" babysitter for Caylee? It was Casey's birthday in March, the same month that she received the "routing" birthday check idea from the grands, which she probably didn't instigate and formalize into fruition until some time in May--which probably didn't route through the bank until some time in June--that she didn't ultimately get busted by Cindy until Father's Day--which then left Casey with yet, one less "dependent" babysitter for Caylee.

Therefore, I'm thinking Casey ultimately lost 2 dependent babysitters for Caylee within a period of 3 months--Annie and Cindy! And too, by the time Amy returned from PR (due to stolen money), Casey was in the process of losing yet another dependent babysitter for Caylee!

[steffaroob4]

"Her information has been suspect since we began this investigation," Nieves said. "This is a person who has been uncooperative since the first day." (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-100208,0,1494442.story)


"Over the past two and half months we have been diligently working to resolve the case of the missing child," Nieves said. "The information she has provided has proven to be false."

[day2day]

You can say it, but I don't know what the hay you're talking about.

Maybe cleaning is a bad thing?! Heck, i dunno-i am confused and just got here.
I was so hoping today would be PrincessPantsonFires first day in her new "castle"...

[WillowInFlight]

Her name isn't Zanny. What the heck sends a red flag about cleaning? Should everyone who cleans for a living be investigated for something? :confused:

I know right, WTH would a red flag go up.

[WillowInFlight]

Maybe cleaning is a bad thing?! Heck, i dunno-i am confused and just got here.
I was so hoping today would be PrincessPantsonFires first day in her new "castle"...

Hi sweetie, don't forget good things seem to always happen on a Friday.

[MyrDawn]

Her name isn't Zanny. What the heck sends a red flag about cleaning? Should everyone who cleans for a living be investigated for something? :confused:

ITA!

My housekeeper just finished and left. She's a wonderful person and makes more money than a lot of her customers! People that clean for a living are every bit as worthwhile as anyone else, and that includes Zenaida.
JMO

[st777jo]

Wait a minute, didn't Casey (in one part of the police tapes) say something about Zenaida attending UCF?

Or was it U of F?

Wonder if she saw that Zenaida and just tacked on that little bit of information for the police?

I thought Casey brought up UCF, IIRC. But I believe Casey took a little part of everything she knows or thinks she knows and makes her lies up from that.
jmo, jo

[barskin&co.]

My point was the chloroform, etc. We know it's also used as a cleaning agent.....

This board is too slow to discuss/debate intelligently, so I'm going elsewhere.

Don't know what the problem is, but whatever it is, it needs to be fixed pronto!

:seeya:

You think women who work as cleaners use chloroform????

[crymeariver2006]

Yep, I DO know what you mean. I would know a car like a porsche, or a mustang...something distinctive looking, but I couldn't tell a Kia, from a Focus, from a ton of other typical cars. I do think that if the info. was looked up in LE data bases that the make of the car would be correct...and I bet Casey would have pinched some other info. there as well. IF the evictions are true ( re. Z F-G), Casey could have pulled some REAL addie's from those records and taken LE to real places that Z F-G had lived.
I think using a nearly correct description was an attempt to both point the finger elsewhere, but also to leave wiggle room for Casey so she wasn't "boxed in" to any specific Zenaida. I believe that Casey purposely failed to ID her from pictures. LE can clear a "real" suspect alot faster than a made up one.
JMO.

IMO, it had been a month since Casey laid eyes on Zenaida or her car. She wouldn't need to remember a tag number, or a year/make/model associated with that tag. She only remembered what the car looked like. IF she had someone run the tag, she got a name of the owner (we still don't know where Victor Fernandez fits in all of this, yet Casey tells Lee and Lee tells Yuri that Victor is ZG's stepfather and he bought the car for her.) :shrug:

They showed pictures of ZG's car (Kia) and the Focus. You can't tell them apart. At least I couldn't.

[margaret kep]

Personally, I think casey had to come up with a name that zanny could be used as a nickname....imo


Question (pretty please) I know it would have to be looked up but don't know where to seek. Around the time Zenaida's name was being checked on enternet by CA or whoever that family which IIRC was a couple of months before CAYLEE went missing, is this the same time frame ZFG's app date? The corrected date on ZFG's app to Sawgrass? TIA

[steffaroob4]

Ex-fiancé to missing tot’s mom: ‘Tell the truth’ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26988149/)
By Mike Celizic
TODAYShow.com contributor

Casey Anthony’s former fiancé appealed to the mother of missing Orlando toddler Caylee Anthony to stop lying about what happened to her daughter.


video available

[crymeariver2006]

You think women who work as cleaners use chloroform????


Oh Lord have mercy!

:biggrin:

[BJames]

I was just listening to Tony's interview again and I just have a question if anyone knows?
Does Target sell food at all? I know our WalMart has food but we don't have a Target here, thanks to anyone who can say.

:)

[WillowInFlight]

My point was the chloroform, etc. We know it's also used as a cleaning agent.....

This board is too slow to discuss/debate intelligently, so I'm going elsewhere.

Don't know what the problem is, but whatever it is, it needs to be fixed pronto!

:seeya:

Geez, there is no connection between ZFG and chloroform. Just like there is no connection between her and Casey.

[WillowInFlight]

I was just listening to Tony's interview again and I just have a question if anyone knows?
Does Target sell food at all? I know our WalMart has food but we don't have a Target here, thanks to anyone who can say.

:)
My Target does.

[MyrDawn]

I was just listening to Tony's interview again and I just have a question if anyone knows?
Does Target sell food at all? I know our WalMart has food but we don't have a Target here, thanks to anyone who can say.

:)

Some Targets sell food, and some don't. Ours doesn't but the one where my son lives does.

[day2day]

Hi sweetie, don't forget good things seem to always happen on a Friday.

Mornin Willow...
Oh great..i should be working EXTRA hard on wed. and thur. so i don't miss it! I wanna see the look on her face when she realizes her puter time is OVER! I don't know how she sleeps at night :(...
jmo
:rose: Caylee

[Joan Weiss]

What do you think her motive is? She has to know she's not going to get any money.... there isn't any money to get.
<snip>.It's right here. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/01/ng.01.html

I prefer to live my life believing in the basic decency of man. Suspecting the worst of people I don't even know is not part of my reality. I have seen nothing of this situation except the disruption of this poor woman's life, through no fault of her own. imo

[steffaroob4]

IIRC, PPOF said ZFG went to U of F.

Yes, I believe casey uses pieces of facts to create her story, I just thought it was interesting that some pieces were there on a google search.

[crymeariver2006]

Oh no ,,Even if you go back to the bond hearing and watch Cindy on the stand she talks about Zanny and that she was "Caylee's nanny for about a year and a half".

Cindy makes it clear that Casey has talked about Zanny and that when ever caylee and Casey were gone overnight,Casey would tell her they were crashing at Zanny's.......


Snip>>>>

CINDY ANTHONY: Any time Caylee ever stayed away from the house, Casey said she was with Zanny.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

CINDY ANTHONY: And it wasn`t that often that -- you know, maybe a night here or there, sporadically. But she always said she was crashing at Zanny`s.


CINDY ANTHONY: Zanny is the baby-sitter that has watched Caylee consistently for the last maybe year-and-a-half. Nobody that you met, so - - there was no reason to meet her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So she actually told you on the 16th, I plan on staying at Zanny`s for a late event.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes. Most definitely.

GEORGE ANTHONY: I mean, that`s what my wife reiterated to me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You didn`t have those conversations, just your wife?

GEORGE ANTHONY: Right.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/30/ng.01.html

Wait a minute!

So is George saying at the bond hearing that he didn't have a conversation with Casey on the 16th?

[summer4meplz]

Question (pretty please) I know it would have to be looked up but don't know where to seek. Around the time Zenaida's name was being checked on enternet by CA or whoever that family which IIRC was a couple of months before CAYLEE went missing, is this the same time frame ZFG's app date? The corrected date on ZFG's app to Sawgrass? TIA

I am almost computer stupid, the other day, I know there was a huge discussion about exactly when the name zenaida gonzales was first searched....some thought june 16....some thought july 16,,,,I'm not sure which way it was finally resolved......

all right,,,,so I DID lie when I said I read ALL the posts.....the ones that are reallly technical...I skip...and I skipped pages of the docs that were too hard to read in that mumbojumbo computer language...so I probably missed a lot....BUSTED, I know....:(

[Texas48]

Good catch, River. I hadn't thought of that.
That was mentioned the other day on another board about running the plate and maybe she had a friend(perhaps in LE) run it for her. Not stated as fact just as a maybe..

[steffaroob4]

I don't understand how you, or anyone for that matter, can be "done" talking or discussing about Zenaida! It's at least significant enough to place Zenaida Gonzalez on the prosecutor's witness list! As well as other players who resided at the Sawgrass Apartment Complex; Annie Dowling and Dante Salah, who are also named witnesses. They too, will have something significant to offer in the way of testimony.

Perhaps the disgreement or falling out in March 2008 between Casey and AnnieD had something to do about money stolen from Annie which then left Casey one less "dependent" babysitter for Caylee? It was Casey's birthday in March, the same month that she received the "routing" birthday check idea from the grands, which she probably didn't instigate and formalize into fruition until some time in May--which probably didn't route through the bank until some time in June--that she didn't ultimately get busted by Cindy until Father's Day--which then left Casey with yet, one less "dependent" babysitter for Caylee.

Therefore, I'm thinking Casey ultimately lost 2 dependent babysitters for Caylee within a period of 3 months--Annie and Cindy! And too, by the time Amy returned from PR (due to stolen money), Casey was in the process of losing yet another dependent babysitter for Caylee!

I didn't know Annie watched Caylee, now that would be interesting.

[summer4meplz]

I was just listening to Tony's interview again and I just have a question if anyone knows?
Does Target sell food at all? I know our WalMart has food but we don't have a Target here, thanks to anyone who can say.

:)


the new super targets in tulsa sell food....

[steffaroob4]

I was just listening to Tony's interview again and I just have a question if anyone knows?
Does Target sell food at all? I know our WalMart has food but we don't have a Target here, thanks to anyone who can say.

:)

Yes they do.

[tiny paw-prints]

IIRC - Casey did tell Lee that she staked out Sawgrass in the hopes of finding Zanny. Told a little bit of truth there didnt she? The only difference is she staked it out before Caylee went missing, not after. imo

That's true, but Lee is also aware (or should be) as to the real reasons why Casey was stalking the Sawgrass Apartments. Since March, Casey was more than just curious about Annie's comings and goings. IMO.

[barskin&co.]

Ex-fiancé to missing tot’s mom: ‘Tell the truth’ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26988149/)
By Mike Celizic
TODAYShow.com contributor

Casey Anthony’s former fiancé appealed to the mother of missing Orlando toddler Caylee Anthony to stop lying about what happened to her daughter.


video available

Addressing his ex-fiancé directly, Grund said: “We’re all done with having to listen to your lies and your stories that make no sense over and over and over again. So tell the truth about what happened.”

Amen, Jesse! Amen.

[ruth66]

Of course, and when Cindy was asked by reporters if Caylee ever mentioned "Zanny's" name, she would reply that it would never come up. She wanted us to believe that it made perfect sense tht Caylee never mentioned her name. It made no sense that Cindy never noticed that Caylee never mentioned her name, IMO.

What I find interesting is that in my mind CA loves Caylee probably as the primary in Caylee's life. At the bond hearing CA, GA and Lee all described Casey as the type of mother who explained to her child, got on her level, never got angry with her child (describes a very, very conscientous mother). CA & GA remember what Casey and Caylee were wearing down to the shoes the last day they saw them. CA remembers details of the story Casey told her about the accident Zanny was supposedly in (I am in awe of the recall- impressive) and yet not one of them was ever interested in having Zanny's phone #, calling to see if Caylee was okay. From GA testimony, Casey would often leave Caylee with Cindy at work so she could get to her work on time. All this detail and this picture of such a well organized, happy family and yet no one ever sees, meets, talks to, seen pictures of this person. How is that possible?:shrug:

[Joan Weiss]

Her name isn't Zanny. What the heck sends a red flag about cleaning? Should everyone who cleans for a living be investigated for something? :confused:Apparently, it's not an elite occupation, even though the woman was taking care of her six children. Some think it entitles them to bash her unmercifully. Sad, isn't it? imo

[steffaroob4]

I'll accept your apology any time for telling me I WAS losing my mind yesterday BEFORE you even checked it out.

Do you have the links to those, I really want to see what they did to those PDFs, I do find it interesting.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Exactly, and I think OCSD better learn how to redact/pdf properly before they release documents to the public. If I recall they released one set of docs with the SSNs visible. Pretty sloppy.

IMO, the State of Florida filed unredacted evidence. As a result of Florida's Sunshine Laws and Orlando Sentinel filings, that evidence became available to the public. The media outlets and various private citizens obtained the information and shared that information (redacted and unredacted) on various platforms. IMO, OCSD is not responsible for the information released to a wide audience.
jmo

[SavannahStar]

I was just listening to Tony's interview again and I just have a question if anyone knows?
Does Target sell food at all? I know our WalMart has food but we don't have a Target here, thanks to anyone who can say.

:)

Yes, Targets in FL sell food. At least some of them, "Super Targets."

[WillowInFlight]

Maybe I have been watching to many crime shows but I really wish LE could bluff Casey and tell her that they found Caylee's body.

[day2day]

Addressing his ex-fiancé directly, Grund said: “We’re all done with having to listen to your lies and your stories that make no sense over and over and over again. So tell the truth about what happened.”

Amen, Jesse! Amen.

Finally! Someone tells it like it is! Thanks Jesse!!

[barskin&co.]

What I find interesting is that in my mind CA loves Caylee probably as the primary in Caylee's life. At the bond hearing CA, GA and Lee all described Casey as the type of mother who explained to her child, got on her level, never got angry with her child (describes a very, very conscientous mother). CA & GA remember what Casey and Caylee were wearing down to the shoes the last day they saw them. CA remembers details of the story Casey told her about the accident Zanny was supposedly in (I am in awe of the recall- impressive) and yet not one of them was ever interested in having Zanny's phone #, calling to see if Caylee was okay. From GA testimony, Casey would often leave Caylee with Cindy at work so she could get to her work on time. All this detail and this picture of such a well organized, happy family and yet no one ever sees, meets, talks to, seen pictures of this person. How is that possible?:shrug:

Because, it ain't?

[crymeariver2006]

See, this is why I don't even attempt to clean my own house, so difficult to get chloroform. I tried years ago cleaning with it, but passed out for days. When I woke up, my house was STILL filthy.

:lol:

I needed that!

[margaret kep]

I am almost computer stupid, the other day, I know there was a huge discussion about exactly when the name zenaida gonzales was first searched....some thought june 16....some thought july 16,,,,I'm not sure which way it was finally resolved......

all right,,,,so I DID lie when I said I read ALL the posts.....the ones that are reallly technical...I skip...and I skipped pages of the docs that were too hard to read in that mumbojumbo computer language...so I probably missed a lot....BUSTED, I know....:(


thanks for the try Summer.

[margaritaville]

I was just listening to Tony's interview again and I just have a question if anyone knows?
Does Target sell food at all? I know our WalMart has food but we don't have a Target here, thanks to anyone who can say.

:)


Mine does......It's not a super Target where it has the full grocery store but it still has dairy, frozen and about 10 or so isles of food.....

[day2day]

Maybe I have been watching to many crime shows but I really wish LE could bluff Casey and tell her that they found Caylee's body.

They are the ONLY ones (besides the A's in this case) that can lie and get away with it. The only thing is-Casey would ask WHERE they found her? Bluff blown -imo!

[OneUp]

When did this become the Zenaida forum?

Last night? Earlier this morning?

Where's Caylee?

Why does Cindy lie to law enforcement?

Why does George lie to law enforcement?

Why does Lee lie to law enforcement?

Why did Casey murder Caylee?

Where's Caylee?Oh, you know how it is...someone feels the need to drag in a peripheral person who is ONLY a part of this case because the POI...Correction, the SUSPECT falsely provided information to the police that fit her. This person has been cleared by the LE, therefore she should be clear of allegations relating to this case, but some seem to have a bit of fun dragging her name back and forth through the mud, doing more of what Casey started.
Those people cannot see that Z F-G was brought into this case by a lies, and has done nothing that relates to Caylee being missing. NOR can they see that Cindy and George, and Lee have all been involved in this Case since before it even became a case. Discussing people actually involved in what happened to Caylee ( Not saying they harmed her, I don't think they laid a finger on heCasey's) is a totally different thing than dragging an uninvolved party back into the front and center of this case.
The Anthony family is part and parcel of this case. They raised the child(ren) Both Casey and Caylee, they made the 911 calls, they continually obstruct the investigation and every offer of assistance that doesn't fit their narrow wants, they lie and curse to the public, make donkey's rears of themselves on TV, point the finger at other victims and the obviously innnocent....and One can go on and on. They ARE the principals of this case. And they have brought disfavor on themselves, right or wrong, the public perception of their lack of concern for Caylee and their own actions have made them fair game for criticism.
People really in this case= Caylee, Casey, Their family, Casey's friends and aquaintances, and finally the direct witnesses to events in this case and the investigating LEO.
People not really in this case= Zenaida F-G..or ANY Zenaida, Raquel Farrell, Samatha "Whatever"....Mickey Mouse, Santa Claus, Easter Bunny...The guy naked in his pool down the street, *Get the picture?
If we ignore the people slandering Z F-G...maybe they will get the picture and make their own special place to bash her...then her name will only be brought here in the ways in which it directly ties to this case via Casey's lies and actions....as an IMAGINARY person dreamt up by Casey and not as the real person who has (unfortunately) had to put up with just that type of thing in her daily life since "her" name was first tossed out there by Casey.
JMO.

[summer4meplz]

See, this is why I don't even attempt to clean my own house, so difficult to get chloroform. I tried years ago cleaning with it, but passed out for days. When I woke up, my house was STILL filthy.


I asked this about chloroform when it first came up....how can someone use chloroform to clean without getting knocked out?

[WillowInFlight]

Apparently, it's not an elite occupation, even though the woman was taking care of her six children. Some think it entitles them to bash her unmercifully. Sad, isn't it? imo
Extremely, guess some have never heard about glass houses and such.

[Joan Weiss]

See, this is why I don't even attempt to clean my own house, so difficult to get chloroform. I tried years ago cleaning with it, but passed out for days. When I woke up, my house was STILL filthy.Primo! :biggrin:

[barskin&co.]

Speaking of red flags i just viewed Casey again in her flag suit but anyway on this linkhttp://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-photos-casey-anthony-evidence-092608,0,5662748.photogallery pic 27 is she wearing the rosary beads she wore to jail that day?

"Speaking of red flags..." :lol:

[day2day]

Could you imagine?

You come home from work & find the cleaning woman passed out or possibly dead.

Chloroform. Cleaning houses all over the country. And causing numerous deaths.

WARNING- DO NOT CLEAN YOUR HOUSE WITH CHLOROFORM!!


:lol:


someone out there will be BOUND to try it. Just like the pizza and squirrel deal....



:chicken:

[dtviewer]

No puzzle to solve ..

Something happened to Caylee ..
Casey then did away with her ..

The family has been spinning backwards ever since ..

Thank you Michele. That is exactly what I have been saying from the beginning.

Everything being thrown out is just muddying the waters.

[day2day]

Originally Posted by 0000dori
See, this is why I don't even attempt to clean my own house, so difficult to get chloroform. I tried years ago cleaning with it, but passed out for days. When I woke up, my house was STILL filthy.

Omylord...rofl!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too bad we don't have a little TRUTH SERUM layin round...that is what this case could use!

[Joan Weiss]

Oh, you know how it is...someone feels the need to drag in a peripheral person who is ONLY a part of this case because the POI...Correction, the SUSPECT falsely provided information to the police that fit her. This person has been cleared by the LE, therefore she should be clear of allegations relating to this case, but some seem to have a bit of fun dragging her name back and forth through the mud, doing more of what Casey started.
Those people cannot see that Z F-G was brought into this case by a lies, and has done nothing that relates to Caylee being missing. NOR can they see that Cindy and George, and Lee have all been involved in this Case since before it even became a case. Discussing people actually involved in what happened to Caylee ( Not saying they harmed her, I don't think they laid a finger on heCasey's) is a totally different thing than dragging an uninvolved party back into the front and center of this case.
The Anthony family is part and parcel of this case. They raised the child(ren) Both Casey and Caylee, they made the 911 calls, they continually obstruct the investigation and every offer of assistance that doesn't fit their narrow wants, they lie and curse to the public, make donkey's rears of themselves on TV, point the finger at other victims and the obviously innnocent....and One can go on and on. They ARE the principals of this case. And they have brought disfavor on themselves, right or wrong, the public perception of their lack of concern for Caylee and their own actions have made them fair game for criticism.
People really in this case= Caylee, Casey, Their family, Casey's friends and aquaintances, and finally the direct witnesses to events in this case and the investigating LEO.
People not really in this case= Zenaida F-G..or ANY Zenaida, Raquel Farrell, Samatha "Whatever"....Mickey Mouse, Santa Claus, Easter Bunny...The guy naked in his pool down the street, *Get the picture?
If we ignore the people slandering Z F-G...maybe they will get the picture and make their own special place to bash her...then her name will only be brought here in the ways in which it directly ties to this case via Casey's lies and actions....as an IMAGINARY person dreamt up by Casey and not as the real person who has (unfortunately) had to put up with just that type of thing in her daily life since "her" name was first tossed out there by Casey.
JMO.BRAVO! :beer:

[ruth66]

IIRC, PPOF said ZFG went to U of F.

I'm sorry but your post made me giggle. Sounds like that commercial for the cell phone company with all the acronyms. What is PPOF?

[margaritaville]

No puzzle to solve ..

Something happened to Caylee ..
Casey then did away with her ..

The family has been spinning backwards ever since ..


Yes there is a puzzle............

If there isn't one than please answer these few questions..

1. Where is Caylee?
2. How did Caylee die?
3. Where did Caylee die?
4. Why did Caylee have to die?
5. Why are the Anthony's covering for Casey?

Puzzle pieces.......We don't have them all yet.................imo

[Texas48]

Well I hope nothing like that ever happens to me, cause I counld not tell you where all I was last week, let alone last month.


:rose:For Baby Caylee You and I are in the same boat Banjo..I have a hard time with just knowing what today's date is.

[SavannahStar]

Oh, you know how it is...someone feels the need to drag in a peripheral person who is ONLY a part of this case because the POI...Correction, the SUSPECT falsely provided information to the police that fit her. This person has been cleared by the LE, therefore she should be clear of allegations relating to this case, but some seem to have a bit of fun dragging her name back and forth through the mud, doing more of what Casey started.
Those people cannot see that Z F-G was brought into this case by a lies, and has done nothing that relates to Caylee being missing. NOR can they see that Cindy and George, and Lee have all been involved in this Case since before it even became a case. Discussing people actually involved in what happened to Caylee ( Not saying they harmed her, I don't think they laid a finger on heCasey's) is a totally different thing than dragging an uninvolved party back into the front and center of this case.
The Anthony family is part and parcel of this case. They raised the child(ren) Both Casey and Caylee, they made the 911 calls, they continually obstruct the investigation and every offer of assistance that doesn't fit their narrow wants, they lie and curse to the public, make donkey's rears of themselves on TV, point the finger at other victims and the obviously innnocent....and One can go on and on. They ARE the principals of this case. And they have brought disfavor on themselves, right or wrong, the public perception of their lack of concern for Caylee and their own actions have made them fair game for criticism.
People really in this case= Caylee, Casey, Their family, Casey's friends and aquaintances, and finally the direct witnesses to events in this case and the investigating LEO.
People not really in this case= Zenaida F-G..or ANY Zenaida, Raquel Farrell, Samatha "Whatever"....Mickey Mouse, Santa Claus, Easter Bunny...The guy naked in his pool down the street, *Get the picture?
If we ignore the people slandering Z F-G...maybe they will get the picture and make their own special place to bash her...then her name will only be brought here in the ways in which it directly ties to this case via Casey's lies and actions....as an IMAGINARY person dreamt up by Casey and not as the real person who has (unfortunately) had to put up with just that type of thing in her daily life since "her" name was first tossed out there by Casey.
JMO.

IMO, NO ONE should be "slandered" on here. So why is it that slandering Cindy, George, and Lee, is A-okay? Never could figure that out. But your posting a sermon about discussion of Zenaida that you don't like? I don't get it.

[forensicnut]

Some Targets sell food, and some don't. Ours doesn't but the one where my son lives does. All the new Targets are built as Superstores, just like Walmart. My local Target has about 4 aisles that are very small with a limited number of food items. The new Target a few miles away was just built as a super store.

If you know what Target she went too, we can pull it up online and look for ourselves.....

[barskin&co.]

Oh, you know how it is...someone feels the need to drag in a peripheral person who is ONLY a part of this case because the POI...Correction, the SUSPECT falsely provided information to the police that fit her. This person has been cleared by the LE, therefore she should be clear of allegations relating to this case, but some seem to have a bit of fun dragging her name back and forth through the mud, doing more of what Casey started.
Those people cannot see that Z F-G was brought into this case by a lies, and has done nothing that relates to Caylee being missing. NOR can they see that Cindy and George, and Lee have all been involved in this Case since before it even became a case. Discussing people actually involved in what happened to Caylee ( Not saying they harmed her, I don't think they laid a finger on heCasey's) is a totally different thing than dragging an uninvolved party back into the front and center of this case.
The Anthony family is part and parcel of this case. They raised the child(ren) Both Casey and Caylee, they made the 911 calls, they continually obstruct the investigation and every offer of assistance that doesn't fit their narrow wants, they lie and curse to the public, make donkey's rears of themselves on TV, point the finger at other victims and the obviously innnocent....and One can go on and on. They ARE the principals of this case. And they have brought disfavor on themselves, right or wrong, the public perception of their lack of concern for Caylee and their own actions have made them fair game for criticism.
People really in this case= Caylee, Casey, Their family, Casey's friends and aquaintances, and finally the direct witnesses to events in this case and the investigating LEO.
People not really in this case= Zenaida F-G..or ANY Zenaida, Raquel Farrell, Samatha "Whatever"....Mickey Mouse, Santa Claus, Easter Bunny...The guy naked in his pool down the street, *Get the picture?
If we ignore the people slandering Z F-G...maybe they will get the picture and make their own special place to bash her...then her name will only be brought here in the ways in which it directly ties to this case via Casey's lies and actions....as an IMAGINARY person dreamt up by Casey and not as the real person who has (unfortunately) had to put up with just that type of thing in her daily life since "her" name was first tossed out there by Casey.
JMO.

You are correct, OneUp. Thanks for the intelligent post and for reminding me of the issues that should be front and center.

[Joan Weiss]

Oh, I am sorry Landshark, did I miss the sticky that CW posted that we couldn't talk about Zenaida?CW has already posted that any slanderous/libelous posts are the individual's own personal responsibility. Good luck with that...imo

[WillowInFlight]

IMO, NO ONE should be "slandered" on here. So why is it that slandering Cindy, George, and Lee, is A-okay? Never could figure that out. But your posting a sermon about discussion of Zenaida that you don't like? I don't get it.
I wouldn't lump Z in with any of the the Anthonys, she is an innocent victim, Cindy, George, Lee and Casey are not.

[SandyO]

You think women who work as cleaners use chloroform????

My housecleaner leaves me a list of cleaning supplies she wants for me to buy before her next cleaning day. Never have I seen chloroform on her list ...... but then, I don't have decomp stains around the house, I don't THINK.

[tiny paw-prints]

I didn't know Annie watched Caylee, now that would be interesting.

Annie and Casey were best friends prior to March.

[day2day]

Why couldn't they continue their bluff by refusing to acknowledge her questions and follow up with "We have you now, PPOF!"?

IMO Baez wouldn't fall for it. But i would love to see it happen. Maybe a press conference with hints to a body ...:D jmo

[Joan Weiss]

IMO, NO ONE should be "slandered" on here. So why is it that slandering Cindy, George, and Lee, is A-okay? Never could figure that out. But your posting a sermon about discussion of Zenaida that you don't like? I don't get it.Savannah, Cindy and George have demonstrated their lying, covering up behavior. They're not looking for Caylee. I felt sympathy in the beginning, but their chances with me have run out.

Their position is not the same as the hapless Zenaida. I think you know that. They are harboring a murderess. Knowingly. imo

[dtviewer]

Yes there is a puzzle............

If there isn't one than please answer these few questions..

1. Where is Caylee?
2. How did Caylee die?
3. Where did Caylee die?
4. Why did Caylee have to die?
5. Why are the Anthony's covering for Casey?

Puzzle pieces.......We don't have them all yet.................imo

But thats just the point.
We WANT all those answers, but we certainly dont need them.
With or without, Casey will end up being convicted of murdering Caylee.

[Freefall]

It is NOT LE job to redact those. They release info as it is, it is the different media orgs that redact things, that is why some people have the originals.
It was one of the local papers that released the SS numbers and there was a statement about that from Attorney Generals office. Under the Sunshine law, they don't have to remove those types of think. IIRC

Thanks. I was not aware of that.

[margaritaville]

But thats just the point.
We WANT all those answers, but we certainly dont need them.
With or without, Casey will end up being convicted of murdering Caylee.

Oh I agree..That wasn't the point I was making though!!!

[jakee]

Wait a minute!

So is George saying at the bond hearing that he didn't have a conversation with Casey on the 16th?


Good catch. That is very interesting. IMO

[day2day]

Maybe you should read some more because this whole case is made up of all the Cindy, George and Lee's nad Casey's lies what else can you do but slader them i sure don't have nice feelings for them:shrug: any suggestions how i might get over this?

I guess thats what really pisses me off. Not only did Casey wait 31 days to report this-then the family continues to lie and misdirect! We are at day 108 and still no clue where Caylee is. We DO know at least one person in the Anythony house KNOWS where this littleone is. The sheriff said most of the tips they have received have been from the Anthony's and are smokescreens. I hope they are charged.

jmo

[Joan Weiss]

Well, I've had enough. Looking for my ignore button...

Have a good day, friends. :seeya:

[steffaroob4]

Annie and Casey were best friends prior to March.

I find it VERY interesting we are missing her interview.


missing items:

Annie's interview
Chloroform computer searches
lab tests
EZ-Pass records
I find the computer reports on her laptop VERY odd, I think there is a lot more they are holding back from her computer.

I know the pretrial hearing in Nov. 5th, I think LE still has a few weeks to release any documents they will use at trial. I just wish they would hurry up.

[Sharmayla]

Hi everybody. Does anyone else feel the way I do? I'm so upset about this, I'm shaking and I can hardly type. I can't sleep, my stomach is tied up in knots, thinking about this poor baby. I feel like life will never be the same, and I'm not even her mom!! I feel just like I felt when I knew I was in trouble as a teenager. Do you think I need to take a break from this case?

[margaret kep]

They are the ONLY ones (besides the A's in this case) that can lie and get away with it. The only thing is-Casey would ask WHERE they found her? Bluff blown -imo!



I bet I could get CA to talk! I'd make a 'plea deal' with her. "Case you get a week of dancing at Fusion. All the drinks, smokes, men,(women) are all on the house".:biggrin:

[barskin&co.]

But thats just the point.
We WANT all those answers, but we certainly dont need them.
With or without, Casey will end up being convicted of murdering Caylee.

You're right. Not all of those questions are answered in most successful murder prosecutions. That only happens on "Murder, She Wrote," when the cornered prepertrator obligingly tells all the details of his murder plan, motive and all loose ends in the last 5 minutes.

[day2day]

I bet I could get CA to talk! I'd make a 'plea deal' with her. "Case you get a week of dancing at Fusion. All the drinks, smokes, men,(women) are all on the house".:biggrin:

She might just go for that one!! :D

[WillowInFlight]

Hi everybody. Does anyone else feel the way I do? I'm so upset about this, I'm shaking and I can hardly type. I can't sleep, my stomach is tied up in knots, thinking about this poor baby. I feel like life will never be the same, and I'm not even her mom!! I feel just like I felt when I knew I was in trouble as a teenager. Do you think I need to take a break from this case?
Sure do......

[happy2bme]

Still nothing new? I have gotten so aggravated with how slow this board is that I don't even want to post.:cuss:

[day2day]

Well, I've had enough. Looking for my ignore button...

Have a good day, friends. :seeya:

:seeya: Maybe soon Caylee will have the justice she deserves.

[WillowInFlight]

So you are saying I am not intelligent because I have some concerns about Zenaida and in what capacity she knows Casey, if she does?
Thats very mature.

Zenaida has said numerous times she did not know Casey, Casey when shown Zenaida's picture said that was not the Zenaida she left Caylee with.

[SavannahStar]

Savannah, Cindy and George have demonstrated their lying, covering up behavior. They're not looking for Caylee. I felt sympathy in the beginning, but their chances with me have run out.

Their position is not the same as the hapless Zenaida. I think you know that. They are harboring a murderess. Knowingly. imo

I compare all of them in that NONE of them is a suspect in Caylee's demise.

As far as slander, I'm not talking about any posts pointing out "lies" that Cindy has told.......there are PLENTY (and I don't have to provide links, they are easy to find) posts calling her every name in the book almost to the point of the devil incarnate. Yes, I call that slander.

[num1barb]

I had the hardest time listening to GA's interview because my computer would not play it all. It would stop after about 5 mins. I had read that lots of people were having the same problem. I read a post where someone suggested downloading it to your desktop (I had already tried downloading it to a file with no luck). So I right-clicked, saved target as....on desktop, waited about 25 minutes and viola there it was. That is the only way I was able to hear it. I don't know how to do links here, but it is listed on the links page (second to last page)....hope that helps...:)

Thanks, I'll try it :)
Geez I leave for an hour and I'm way behind LOL

[day2day]

Of course they are going to be smokescreens because they don't want her found. I don't see how any of these people can sleep at night.
It's like Caylee never even existed to this family there main goals is to protect Casey, they all lie, they all know where she is, I hope they all are charged and go down together. jmo

They seem to talk out of both sides of their mouth. They certainly DON'T want anyone searching for a "not live" Caylee-but in the same breath they signed a paper for the trust that they could use the money for burial expenses and estate fees. Now either they believe she is alive or they don't. One or the other.

jmo

[margaritaville]

You're right. Not all of those questions are answered in most successful murder prosecutions. That only happens on "Murder, She Wrote," when the cornered prepertrator obligingly tells all the details of his murder plan, motive and all loose ends in the last 5 minutes.

You all are missing the point of what I wrote and what I was answering when I wrote it.........

I wrote that response to someone that said there is no puzzle.Casey killed Caylee and threw her somewhere (paraphrasing)
And the grandparents have been spinning backwards ever since.

Well i disagreed with that because I believe there is a puzzle here...
If there wasn't why are we here???????

I never said those questions HAD to be answered to convict Casey..It was in reference to this being a puzzle...If all of those questions WERE answered........We wouldn't be here right now!!!

Make sense????

[SavannahStar]

Cindy couldn't remember the last time she saw her own granddaughter. Care to explain that or ignore that question again?

*snipped*

OFGS, this is like a broken record. She had the date wrong. The date was later determined by the video of the Father's Day visit. So she made a mistake. So what do YOU think it means? Everyone in the family knew Casey murdered Caylee and maybe they even took part, lock 'em all up for life. Right? Yeh, SOOOOO simple. Uh huh. I don't see that LE agrees with that, at all. Guess we'll find out though.

[st777jo]

Oh, great post, I have been torn down, accused of knowing people because I am making the exact same points, its almost like I dont have the right to question anything about Zenaida, when Zenaida cant remember when she was last at Sawgrass and goes with the April theory, thats fine, she was probably paralyzed with fear and terror, but Cindy is just the worst mother ever, worst than Casey at this point because she has some memory issues.

One thing I will says is that I am probably pretty sure Cindy nor Zenaida killed Caylee. But its a double standard thing and I dont get it either.

Hey, the cops interviewed allegedly a lot of Zenaidas in the area, are they now suing too? Were they just as stressed as all the others that were questioned?

moo

IIRC, you went after Z because of her appearance.

[barskin&co.]

You all are missing the point of what Ii wrote and what I was answering when I wrote it.........

I wrote that response to someone that said there is no puzzle.Casey killed Caylee and threw her somewhere (paraphrasing)
And the grandparents have been spinning backwards ever since.

Well i disagreed with that because I believe there is a puzzle here...
If there wasn't why are we here???????

I never said those questions HAD to be answered to convict Casey..It was in reference to this being a puzzle...If all of those questions WERE answered........We wouldn't be here right now!!!

Make sense????


I'm sorry, marg. I didn't mean to imply your post did not make sense.
I was commening on the other post.

For the record, I agree with what you said, and you said it well! I am sorry that I was remiss in not stating that. I can understand your frustration.

[RockStarGirl]

That's true, but Lee is also aware (or should be) as to the real reasons why Casey was stalking the Sawgrass Apartments. Since March, Casey was more than just curious about Annie's comings and goings. IMO.

Did I miss something? I have been asking about Annie for days and the fact that there is never a lot of information about her. Fill me in please. Very curious. TIA :cool:

[margaritaville]

QUOTE=barskin&co.;12220123]I'm sorry, Marg. I didn't mean to imply your post did not make sense.
I was commening on the other post.

For the record, I agree with what you said, and you said it well! I am sorry that I was remiss in not stating that. I can understand your frustration.[/QUOTE]


Thank you!!! :seeya:

[day2day]

Isn't it against the law to provide false information to LE during an active investigation? IMO, LE knows that a lot of the Caylee sightings originated within the Anthony house, geez, they said as much. IMO, that whole family is going to have legal problems all because one selfish, lying, tramp decided she didn't want her precious little baby to interfere with her drinking, drugging and w*****g around. Yup, that's just the type of person I'd cover for, NOT. JMO.

I'm gonna say somethin I probly shouldnt. My Grandma was murdered. They found her body in the river-after a night of drinking and partying with her sister and brother in law. My family has always been involved in politics and le. When they found my Grandma's body -my Great Grandpa went to the sheriff and said- i have already lost one daughter-please don't make it two. No charges were ever filed. I have been told my Great Grandpa found my Grandmas sisters bloody dress and my grandmas belongings and buried them in the hills. My Dad forbids me from talking about this :(...

IMO the same thing is happening here- they know Caylee is gone they don't want to lose Casey.


:rose:Grandma P.- i still seek the truth...

[steffaroob4]

Also missing:
contents of white plastic garbage bag (from trunk) thrown in dumpster by towing company; recovered by LE

You are correct, aren't there some jail visitation conversations they are holding back, too.

[WillowInFlight]

Aww, lol.

It could be argued that Casey was scared of Zenaida, not saying she even knew her, just argued, key word. moo

Oh I see. LOL. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what big bad Z has to say on the stand.

[Texas48]

Well of courseI don't think ZG 'deserved' this, and of course I think she should have her 'good name cleared'. Unless I wasn't paying attention I didn't see or hear anything about her losing her home and job because of all of this, I must have missed that part. I was under the impression that that had happened a long time ago. All I am saying is that everyone wants to make a buck, and I don't see her or her lawyer as doing or saying anything to tell me anything differently.

I don't care how many tattoo's she has (my best friend has at least 8!), or what she looks like, or if her hair is frizzy or if she weighs 98 or 398 pounds (I kinda think she's pretty, if you want to know the truth).

Everyone is here defending ZG and saying "how would you react and what would youdo, you don't know because you're safe in your home at your computer".... but a lot of posters have no problem bashing everyone else involved, such as Cindy and George Anthony. You can say, from behind the "safety of your computer", that you would not defend your daughter if this were going on, that you would call 911 right away (as Cindy did), and let LE have her. Ok. That's how you say you would react, but unless you were really put in that position, you don't know. None of us have any idea how Cindy Anthony reacts to stress, not a single one of us knowsher or what her relationship with Casey OR Caylee was like. So who are any of us to judge ANYONE?

'Sall I'm saying. I've already come to realize I am not one of the popular posters here (my posts go all but ignored unless I ignite someone, apparently), but I do appreciate those of you who at least hear me out. Whatever. Good post . I, for one, do read each and every post. I, like all the others get angry over this LOST baby and want to shake my finger at this family. Then I read a good post as this one and take a step back, take a deep breath, and think WHAT IF I was in this situation....You aew so correct in the fact that we should not judge. TY. jmo

[tiny paw-prints]

I find it VERY interesting we are missing her interview.


missing items:

Annie's interview
Chloroform computer searches
lab tests
EZ-Pass records
I find the computer reports on her laptop VERY odd, I think there is a lot more they are holding back from her computer.

I know the pretrial hearing in Nov. 5th, I think LE still has a few weeks to release any documents they will use at trial. I just wish they would hurry up.

It's been my opinion that TES found something significant on Sept 7-8th that proves Caylee's demise, sufficient time since then to submit the evidence, lab analysis, and test results received. With that conclusive evidence; might also be why the sudden release of the prosecutor's witness list has been made public. I believe the DA is good to go with official murder charges prior to the pretrial hearing date of Nov 5th.

[EGirl]

(snip)

One thing I will says is that I am probably pretty sure Cindy nor Zenaida killed Caylee. But its a double standard thing and I dont get it either.


moo

How and the world can you compare Zaneida to Cindy and call it a double standard? that's like comparing a scraped knee to a leg amputation.

Zaneida has NOTHING to explain or defend. Cindy's granddaughter is GONE. She has spent months lying through her teeth at the expense of Caylee when what she should have been doing was LOOKING FOR HER, FIGHTING for CAYLEE!

What part of that don't you 'get'?

[num1barb]

Yep, I DO know what you mean. I would know a car like a porsche, or a mustang...something distinctive looking, but I couldn't tell a Kia, from a Focus, from a ton of other typical cars. I do think that if the info. was looked up in LE data bases that the make of the car would be correct...and I bet Casey would have pinched some other info. there as well. IF the evictions are true ( re. Z F-G), Casey could have pulled some REAL addie's from those records and taken LE to real places that Z F-G had lived.
I think using a nearly correct description was an attempt to both point the finger elsewhere, but also to leave wiggle room for Casey so she wasn't "boxed in" to any specific Zenaida. I believe that Casey purposely failed to ID her from pictures. LE can clear a "real" suspect alot faster than a made up one.
JMO.


Yeah, I see your point. I was actually thinking about this when I was out for lunch and it's possible that casey had one of her LE friends run the info, then casey changed it JUST ENOUGH to not point the finger at any one particular zenaida.

[spiritwolf46]

Wait a minute!

So is George saying at the bond hearing that he didn't have a conversation with Casey on the 16th?

UH-OH!!!!! :eek:

[EGirl]

I'm gonna say somethin I probly shouldnt. My Grandma was murdered. They found her body in the river-after a night of drinking and partying with her sister and brother in law. My family has always been involved in politics and le. When they found my Grandma's body -my Great Grandpa went to the sheriff and said- i have already lost one daughter-please don't make it two. No charges were ever filed. I have been told my Great Grandpa found my Grandmas sisters bloody dress and my grandmas belongings and buried them in the hills. My Dad forbids me from talking about this :(...

IMO the same thing is happening here- they know Caylee is gone they don't want to lose Casey.


:rose:Grandma P.- i still seek the truth...d2d I agree that is exaclty what is going on here.

But, Caylee was 3, no chance to take care of herself. And Caylee has not been given the dignity of a proper resting place.


:(

[barskin&co.]

:lol::lol:

I never said anything such as you are accusing me. I was asking you a question. I think Cindy made a mistake on the date and it was as simple as that. I just don't understand why it's ok for cindy to not be accurate about something when first approched by LE after hearing her grandchild was missing but ZFG by G better not be stunned when LE come to her and tell her she was named in a kidnapping.

It's called hypocrisy. Cindy is directly involved with this case and ZFG is NOT. Yet you want to libel her from here to the ends because she INITIALY did not correct LE but since has corrected all information.

I have always stated that Cindy was just mistaken on the date and it was not done purposely. I just wanted to see your answer and typical as I suspected it's a hypocritical answer.

Way back, I posted (post #360) an excerpt from the arrest affadavit on this subject. It did not indicate that the subject of the date Z visited Sawgrass was even issue when LE spoke to her. So, there is no evidence in the record, whatsoever, that she "did not correct LE" about the date, in the first place.

[SavannahStar]

Well of courseI don't think ZG 'deserved' this, and of course I think she should have her 'good name cleared'. Unless I wasn't paying attention I didn't see or hear anything about her losing her home and job because of all of this, I must have missed that part. I was under the impression that that had happened a long time ago. All I am saying is that everyone wants to make a buck, and I don't see her or her lawyer as doing or saying anything to tell me anything differently.

I don't care how many tattoo's she has (my best friend has at least 8!), or what she looks like, or if her hair is frizzy or if she weighs 98 or 398 pounds (I kinda think she's pretty, if you want to know the truth).

Everyone is here defending ZG and saying "how would you react and what would youdo, you don't know because you're safe in your home at your computer".... but a lot of posters have no problem bashing everyone else involved, such as Cindy and George Anthony. You can say, from behind the "safety of your computer", that you would not defend your daughter if this were going on, that you would call 911 right away (as Cindy did), and let LE have her. Ok. That's how you say you would react, but unless you were really put in that position, you don't know. None of us have any idea how Cindy Anthony reacts to stress, not a single one of us knowsher or what her relationship with Casey OR Caylee was like. So who are any of us to judge ANYONE?

'Sall I'm saying. I've already come to realize I am not one of the popular posters here (my posts go all but ignored unless I ignite someone, apparently), but I do appreciate those of you who at least hear me out. Whatever.

Good post . I, for one, do read each and every post. I, like all the others get angry over this LOST baby and want to shake my finger at this family. Then I read a good post as this one and take a step back, take a deep breath, and think WHAT IF I was in this situation....You aew so correct in the fact that we should not judge. TY. jmo

I missed Ellie's post, thank you for responding to it, so I got to see it.

Ditto! Good post, Ellie! :rose:

[spiritwolf46]

Aww, lol.

It could be argued that Casey was scared of Zenaida, not saying she even knew her, just argued, key word. moo

OMG!!! ROFL! :lol: That was a good one!

OH WAIT! Is this serious?

:eek:

[Amy]

I'm gonna say somethin I probly shouldnt. My Grandma was murdered. They found her body in the river-after a night of drinking and partying with her sister and brother in law. My family has always been involved in politics and le. When they found my Grandma's body -my Great Grandpa went to the sheriff and said- i have already lost one daughter-please don't make it two. No charges were ever filed. I have been told my Great Grandpa found my Grandmas sisters bloody dress and my grandmas belongings and buried them in the hills. My Dad forbids me from talking about this :(...

IMO the same thing is happening here- they know Caylee is gone they don't want to lose Casey.


:rose:Grandma P.- i still seek the truth...

:rose:For your Grandma and for you.

I think that very sort of statement was made @ one point by Cindy, that she had already lost Caylee, she didn't want to lose Casey, too. I am not sure where the link to that statement would be, but it was fairly early on in the case.

[margaret kep]

:lol:Absolutely! And, she'd mass text message all her friends to meet her there!

Comon LE give it a try. It couldn't hurt. Maybe that's what Lenny tried already and Ms Odious didn't bite.:lol:

[jakee]

I was so dog gone sure he had had a conversation with her, JMO.


I went back and forth on whether or not he was telling a mistruth. I just don't know why he would. :confused:

I am having a lot of trouble with the pages loading. grrrrr

[spiritwolf46]

Not yet.

But fret not. :)

It's gonna happen very soon.

Casey is the only suspect. Law enforcement is triple checking their evidence.

Once that's done... expect an arrest for murder.H

Hiya Shark! Do you think that she was named suspect now because LE has, in fact, gotten the rest of the tests back?

GAWD I hope so! :seeya:

[Katt2]

I just had a horrible thought. What if they do know where Caylee is? What if in their own bizarre way they have let her go after saying good bye to her? That's the only thing that could explain their over the top support of Casey, IMO.

You know, I briefly thought about this aspect. Thinking possibly Casey told them the truth or her version of the truth, being it was a horrible accident and she panicked. If they truly believed her, they might be trying to spare her life.

[steffaroob4]

UH-OH!!!!! :eek:

Didn't he clean that up by blaming that on the confusion over the dates?

[spiritwolf46]

Day2Day this is for you and your granmother. Prayers for you.

:rose: :rose:

[day2day]

d2d I agree that is exaclty what is going on here.

But, Caylee was 3, no chance to take care of herself. And Caylee has not been given the dignity of a proper resting place.


:(


I do believe Caylee's case and my Grandma's case are mirror images(besides the age). I do think that Caylee will be found. I also think that Caylee's family (not Casey) has helped to cover the crime up. I do believe that Caylee's case has a MUCH better case of being solved than my grandma's...Caylee has the news and the internet. People all over the country are in love with this littleone and won't let it go til she is found and the people who are resonsible for her murder are where they belong.

I pray that Caylee gets a proper burial. And that Casey and whoever else is involved are arrested SHORTLY!

jmo

[spiritwolf46]

Didn't he clean that up by blaming that on the confusion over the dates?

That could very well be, Steff, Thank you! :seeya:

[Texas48]

I find it interesting that some posters readily accept that motive. Shows a mindset...imo I see it as posters have different views on all subjects. That is what makes this so great. We can discuss and we can disagre and that is GREAT. jmo

[num1barb]

Scratching head. I wonder how much the loop would have been if she was a sanitation engineer.


LMAO :patriot:

[day2day]

Day2Day this is for you and your granmother. Prayers for you.

:rose: :rose:

Thank you Spirit! I can't believe we are here 108 days later and Casey STILL refuses to talk. jmo

[SavannahStar]

Lmao I never said she wasn't just mistaken. I just asked a poster what her explanation was since ZFG was being "Raked over the coals" for not correcting LE on a date that was wrong when she was first approched by LE.

You guys are reading way too much into posts and accusing people fo things they never said or assuming they are saying something they never said.

Lets get real here. Cindy was proven to lie in this case on national television.

HER motives should be questioned. I don't think she purposely lied about the date she last saw Caylee I know for fact she has lied about other things concerning this case. The date she last saw Caylee is NOT one of those lies.

I'm not talking about motives or lies. I'm talking about the TON of posts that say (paraphrased), she's a monster, she created an evil spawn, she's psychotic herself, how can she look in the mirror at herself, oh I can see her with her hammer again, ha ha ha ha ha, so funny, how can George live with that witch, "the apple don't fall far...." and ........ yada yada yada, the typical message board insults.

Granted some people on here courteously debate statements Cindy has made. They discuss. With others, there is a huge amount of enraged emotion in their posts about her, calling her names, accusing her of vile stuff throughout Casey's life. There is a big difference in discussing her actions in this case, and other posts which do nothing other than ridicule her. And there are PLENTY of those posts, plenty. The proverbial "hate fest."

[steffaroob4]

Yes you are correct also.
I think it was the conversations with George/Casey and Cindy/Casey.

I like these kind of posts!

me too, if we can figure out what they are holding back, we can figure out where the main evidenceis.

Annie's interview
Chloroform computer searches
lab tests
EZ-Pass records
jail visitation conversations they are holding back with George/Casey and Cindy/Casey
I find the computer reports on her laptop VERY odd, I think there is a lot more they are holding back from her computer.
contents of white plastic garbage bag (from trunk) thrown in dumpster by towing company; recovered by LE
contents of impounded car

[spiritwolf46]

Thank you Spirit! I can't believe we are here 108 days later and Casey STILL refuses to talk. jmo

YVW!

I know! I just hope and pray that they kick her royal princessness right back to jail SOON on murder one.

:rose:FOR CAYLEE!

[OneUp]

IMO, NO ONE should be "slandered" on here. So why is it that slandering Cindy, George, and Lee, is A-okay? Never could figure that out. But your posting a sermon about discussion of Zenaida that you don't like? I don't get it.

And I doubt you ever will "get it".
!). I never said ANYONE should be slandered, never. ( though I couldn't care less if anyone wants to slander Casey!)
1). Zenaida is NOT a principal in this case, only the figmentary Zenaida is.
3). George, Cindy, Lee, and the others I listed ARE involved in this case4). Discussion does not = Slander....I haven't picked at Cindy's manner of dress, etc....I haven't made inneundo about George or Lee's employment history...I haven't suggested that Lee's future child is in danger...I haven't made one suggestion that ANYONE lied who has not at least "misspoke" ( IMO< that is a euphemism for LIed...but others accept that term to lessen the dishonest and untrue statements made by the entire family).I haven't "Slandered" a single person. How on Earth do you think I am responsible for what anyone else posts?

Also, IMO, a sermon is intended to instruct...I doubt anyone who actually could benefit by what I said bothered to read it, therefore I was not sermoonizing, but expressing my OPINION, therefore I add in those lovely little "JMO's" at the end. I don't need anyone to "get it"...an opinion is not dependant upon affirmation by others.
JMO. IMO.

[EGirl]

Funny how your post dosen't mention the person responsible for all of this, bypass the daughter and blame the mother.
What part dont you get in the broad scheme of things, Cindy is the GRANDMA, not the mother who probably caused Caylees demise and really doesn't have anything to do with this either, unless you think Cindy knew Caylee was dead and is covering for Casey, because that is absurd. Way more far fetched than my Zenaida "scenarios" for sure.

moo


I don't see Zaneida lying and diverting LE from finding Caylee. Yeah, it's all Casey's fault, but the woman who want's to play the ultimate victim (Cindy) has bent over backwards to make sure that Caylee never get's justice and never gets a proper resting place.

Zaneida doesn't owe this family or us ANYTHING. Cindy sure as heck owed Caylee better than what she's giving her right now.

Casey should still be in jail (but she's not thatnks to mommy and daddy) and Caylee should have already been found.

So again, explain to me how you put Zaneida and Cindy in the same category?

[steffaroob4]

Do we have a list of people casey stole from.
Did Jesse say she stole from him, too?

I wonder is she stole from Annie?

I know of:
Amy
CA
Lee Anthony
Lee's friend Ryan

[day2day]

YVW!

I know! I just hope and pray that they kick her royal princessness right back to jail SOON on murder one.

:rose:FOR CAYLEE!

IMO they are preparing her place.

[tiny paw-prints]

Also missing:
contents of white plastic garbage bag (from trunk) thrown in dumpster by towing company; recovered by LE

That's true. George instructed the tow yard guy to throw that bag in the dumpster (over the fence). I wonder if George had a peek inside that bag before instructing the guy to throw it away? Perhaps it was nothing more than some dirty diapers and 2 dead squirrels? LE did say to George that he knows a lot about a lot of things...

[SavannahStar]

And I doubt you ever will "get it".
!). I never said ANYONE should be slandered, never. ( though I couldn't care less if anyone wants to slander Casey!)
1). Zenaida is NOT a principal in this case, only the figmentary Zenaida is.
3). George, Cindy, Lee, and the others I listed ARE involved in this case4). Discussion does not = Slander....I haven't picked at Cindy's manner of dress, etc....I haven't made inneundo about George or Lee's employment history...I haven't suggested that Lee's future child is in danger...I haven't made one suggestion that ANYONE lied who has not at least "misspoke" ( IMO< that is a euphemism for LIed...but others accept that term to lessen the dishonest and untrue statements made by the entire family).I haven't "Slandered" a single person. How on Earth do you think I am responsible for what anyone else posts?

Also, IMO, a sermon is intended to instruct...I doubt anyone who actually could benefit by what I said bothered to read it, therefore I was not sermoonizing, but expressing my OPINION, therefore I add in those lovely little "JMO's" at the end. I don't need anyone to "get it"...an opinion is not dependant upon affirmation by others.
JMO. IMO.

I never said YOU in particular! If you look through all the posts on this case from day one you will easily find an abundance of slanderous posts about nearly everyone in this case...and most especially Cindy, George and Lee. That IS fact.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I find it VERY interesting we are missing her interview.


missing items:

Annie's interview
Chloroform computer searches
lab tests
EZ-Pass records
I find the computer reports on her laptop VERY odd, I think there is a lot more they are holding back from her computer.

I know the pretrial hearing in Nov. 5th, I think LE still has a few weeks to release any documents they will use at trial. I just wish they would hurry up.

9/22 Case consolidated 013331-0, Reassigned
10/1 Response to demand for discovery
http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

[steffaroob4]

Do we have a list of people casey stole from.
Did Jesse say she stole from him, too?

I wonder is she stole from Annie?

I know of:
Amy
CA
Lee Anthony
Lee's friend Ryan

With a rich history of theft from family & friends the prosecution can easily knock down the defense's theory that she was stealing from Amy to find Caylee.

We also have a VERY rich history of her being a very good liar, proven in witness statements that are backed up by myspace posts & text messages. I think this will help prosecuttion be able to shoot down the "script" theory.

[bballgrl]

Thank you!! I have been lurking the last couple of months. I finally got up the nerve to reregister my old nic from the Spector trial. I was very bad then and CW banned me. :(

Yes, I remember ;)

[EGirl]

Are the sins of our children ours?



mooNo, she's guilty of her own sins, like LYING THROUGH HER TEETH!


Who is looking for CAYLEE????????

[steffaroob4]

9/22 Case consolidated 013331-0, Reassigned
10/1 Response to demand for discovery
http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

Is that for the check case, I don't see that listed for the neglect case.

[tiny paw-prints]

Did I miss something? I have been asking about Annie for days and the fact that there is never a lot of information about her. Fill me in please. Very curious. TIA :cool:

It's been rumored that AnnieD and DanteS were roommates who resided at the Sawgrass Apartments, and that Annie and Dante were a couple and recently split up and went their separate ways. And that, Annie and Casey were best friends prior to March. For what reasons would Casey have for stalking that apartment complex?

[EGirl]

I sure do hope so! That would be great! The OJ verdict might come back tomorrow is what I heard. The would be a nice respite from this case. :)


:seeya: I remember you from Spector.


I lost a nic over that case too :tongue:

[OneUp]

Yeah, I see your point. I was actually thinking about this when I was out for lunch and it's possible that casey had one of her LE friends run the info, then casey changed it JUST ENOUGH to not point the finger at any one particular zenaida.LOL, I must be having a hard time posting clearly today! I meant that I DID NOT think she looked it up ( the car info.)...IMO, if she had, she would have gotten the details right, not just close to right.
I think the failure to ID the picture WAS on purpose...giving all that correct or nearly correct info. with a NAME and a PICTURE ID would have forced Casey into a box with only THAT Z F-G as "the suspect"...by not connecting the name to the pic. she can always claim it is a different person, or that "real" nanny must have used a fake name, etc.
JMO
* i am off to do errands...If anything Urgent happens, could a board buddy please PM me to that effect? Thanks if you can, and bye anyway to all!:seeya:

[joolz]

Funny how your post dosen't mention the person responsible for all of this, bypass the daughter and blame the mother.
What part dont you get in the broad scheme of things, Cindy is the GRANDMA, not the mother who probably caused Caylees demise and really doesn't have anything to do with this either, unless you think Cindy knew Caylee was dead and is covering for Casey, because that is absurd. Way more far fetched than my Zenaida "scenarios" for sure.

moo


IMO it is Casey Anthony to be blamed for Caylee's disappearance and (IMO) death. If Cindy is guilty of anything it is in helping her daughter cover her tracks.

However, to imply that scenarios involving Zenaida, who is not even an aquaintance of the Anthonys, are less farfetched than scenarios involving Cindy, who is the mother and grandmother in the case, just doesn't make any sense. JMO

[steffaroob4]

I think she did. I think she told them that Caylee accidentally drowned while she was inside not watching her. There was something in George's interview that piqued my curiosity. It was the way he avoided mentioning the pool as one of Caylee's favorite things to do and it was the way he described Cindy and he walking the yard thinking horrible things about what may have happened, then the pool ladder, open gate remark and then finally the way he described Caylee's ability to get past the child proofing items. I think, in his own way, he was setting the scenario for Casey to admit to accidentally let Caylee drown because that's what I think she told them that. IMO it's the only thing that makes sense for them to come to grips with Caylee being gone, defending Casey, not searching and letting that odious biotch live in their house. Accidents happen, they could accept that. JMHO and sorry for rambling.


On what day?

[tiny paw-prints]

I have always thought TES found something to because they stopped the search so fast jmo

I've always thought so too. I also expect the prosecutor's witnesses list to be amended with many more names added to the list. To reveal such names at this time, would be detrimental to the official murder charges forthcoming. I believe TES, et al., will be included in the official witness list. IMO.

[Rayosunshine]

UH-OH!!!!! :eek:

UH-OH (squared)!!! Wonder if LE noticed this, did they challenge George about his comment later, maybe in a document not released.

So, this would mean Cindy was home and saw Casey and Caylee leave, or she made it up?

[steffaroob4]

Hi steff:seeya:

I'd like to add Cindy's credit card statements and that supposed legal document giving Caylee to the GPs if anything happened to Casey to the list. TIA

Did CA give those to LE? I can't remember.

[Rayosunshine]

Wait a minute!

So is George saying at the bond hearing that he didn't have a conversation with Casey on the 16th?

Was that at the bond hearing or on the NG show?

[lonetraveler]

Good morning to you all!
No work today, so I can maybe catch up with all the reports & posts. Of course not much will happen today because accoring to Spaggedy's razor-all big turning points in criminal cases happen when I have no access to a computer.:shrug:
I would love to have that proven wrong this time. Sadly. I think LE is gonna have to go without a body. After all this time, I think the chances of finding Caylees body are not good at all. And from what I'm hearing- even if it was found- it may not tell much other than the fact that she is dead. Still- it would be nice to have a miracle (They DO Happen ya' know) if for no other reason than to put Caylee to rest.
So I'll keep on hoping & praying for the very best outcome- and know that most of you are doing the same.

------------------------
I've got a feeling that Casey will have to be face to face with receiving a death sentence before she and Baez will be willing to discuss a deal, probably telling where Caylee is hidden.

[marshmallow]

Are the sins of our children ours?

Cindy had been seeking help with how to deal with Casey and obviously probably attempting to help her move into motherhood mode, she was consulting a shrink for heavens sake on how to deal, so no one can argue she wasn't trying to get help, yeah it may have been too late, but you know what she tried.
<snipped for size>
moo



I'm not joining the bickering, just asking questions that I have.



Do we have proof, other than a rumor, that Cindy was seeking help?

[Rayosunshine]

How many lies/mis-truths have actually come from Casey directly, as compared to others? How many lies/mis-truths have we heard that were attributed to Casey, but that we have no solid proof of? He said, she said kind of stuff.

I am so glad I don't live in Florida, I would surely not want to sit on that jury - talk about an "E" headache.

[RockStarGirl]

IIRC there were a lot of posts about why her statement is missing and what that could imply yesterday. IMO, Annie might have critical information about how Casey come up with ZG and other information about why Casey may have killed Caylee. OTOH, she might not have anything to offer and may have just been another of Casey's victims that were lied to and robbed. JMO.

Thanks for the update. I hope she has something important. I believe she was named by one of Casey's friends or in a text message (can't remember now with all the docs) that she (Annie) would supply the Xanax. Or something to that affect.

[marshmallow]

From what i hear inmates hate baby killers so maybe that's where she needs to be put instead of protecting her no one was there to protect Caylee when she decided to up and kill her now did they:shrug:

I don't wish physical harm on Casey but I do want her held accountable for whatever she has done, be it murder or accidental or in some way responsible for Caylee's death.
I don't want to ever be in the mindset that harming another human is excusible

[Cury-us Coyote]

Is that for the check case, I don't see that listed for the neglect case.

0010925-0 Neglect case remains open with next event 11/5, has witness list attached
jmo

[WillowInFlight]

Why would you wish for that?

Why not? I would love to see her in the general population as well, No special treatment for PPOF.