Wednesday 10/1/08 Evening Thread

[st777jo]

I'm glad to hear her lawyer is polishing her appearance. As appalled as I was to hear some of the things said on this very board about her based on things like her appearance and allegations that she was evicted, I wasn't surprised. People are very judgemental about shallow surface things. Being Poor enough to be evicted is not only not indicative of being a bad person...but when one has 6 children to support it is far from surprising. For Pete's sake! Z F-G worjed as a cleaning woman! How upscale should she present herself? I'd imagine she wore a uniform at work or cleaned after hours when the clients weren't in the offices, etc.
I think some who fancy themselves Christians have forgotten that Jesus Christ spent the most important years of his life as a homeless person....Think on it people. How many might turn away those most deserving of kindness or support just based upon their personal appearance. I myself do not profess any Superiority morally or spiritually. But I wouldn't say vile things about a human being based only on their tattoo's or lack of grooming to meet my standards! Give her a break alreayd!
Can one of you say you wouldn't be as mad as Hades if your children were teased because some chippy flung your name into a missing chiold case? I'd be pretty PO'ed myself! If my children were harassed, that would be all the cause I needed to sue the carp out of someone attempting to "borrow" from my life to throw suspicion away from themselves!
JMO.

thanks, thats what I have been saying all along, since the first sarcastic remark. jmo, jo

[Rayosunshine]

Thanks for the list and the link. I'm so glad they finally released it!

Not quite over 80 persons.

[desmom]

I once worked for a govt. agency and had access to very very personal information. We were told under no circumstance were we to look up anyone we knew, were related to or celebrity for that matter. There was something built into the system that alerted them if anything was searched. Maybe they just told us that to scare us and I was naive enough to believe it, but I did not even go close to anything that had a name on it of someone I knew crossed the street next to my house (exagerating of course) but you get the pic.

I don't think they were trying to scare you. A couple of months ago our local paper did a story about some people who lost their jobs for looking into govt records of celebrities and public officials. jmo

[OneUp]

Wow I wonder if some of the "tips" orginated within and from the ISP of either Baez or her family home.

Leads are a smokescreen says LE. 5 Thousand tips that lead nowhere.
Caylee is dead. Casey named No 1 Suspect.

Oh some caller is also going with the MPD defense..Perhaps that statement will clarify to some why LE continues to investigate every tip...determining what exactly happened to Caylee is not their job, they are to INVESTIGATE all leads and all possibilitites, not to judge. That's what the court and the lawyers must determine.
I don't think I worded this well...but LE has the task of fact finding, not of deciding which facts to toss to the side. When they do that, the defense accuses them of tunnel vision.
JMO.

[babblefishie]

I'm glad to hear her lawyer is polishing her appearance. As appalled as I was to hear some of the things said on this very board about her based on things like her appearance and allegations that she was evicted, I wasn't surprised. People are very judgemental about shallow surface things. Being Poor enough to be evicted is not only not indicative of being a bad person...but when one has 6 children to support it is far from surprising. For Pete's sake! Z F-G worjed as a cleaning woman! How upscale should she present herself? I'd imagine she wore a uniform at work or cleaned after hours when the clients weren't in the offices, etc.
I think some who fancy themselves Christians have forgotten that Jesus Christ spent the most important years of his life as a homeless person....Think on it people. How many might turn away those most deserving of kindness or support just based upon their personal appearance. I myself do not profess any Superiority morally or spiritually. But I wouldn't say vile things about a human being based only on their tattoo's or lack of grooming to meet my standards! Give her a break alreayd!
Can one of you say you wouldn't be as mad as Hades if your children were teased because some chippy flung your name into a missing chiold case? I'd be pretty PO'ed myself! If my children were harassed, that would be all the cause I needed to sue the carp out of someone attempting to "borrow" from my life to throw suspicion away from themselves!
JMO.

Well put Oneup..... And no matter what people want to say about this woman and her decision to pursue this... GUESS WHAT?

Zenaida knows where all SIX of her children are....
:rose: For Caylee

[spiritwolf46]

I'm glad to hear her lawyer is polishing her appearance. As appalled as I was to hear some of the things said on this very board about her based on things like her appearance and allegations that she was evicted, I wasn't surprised. People are very judgemental about shallow surface things. Being Poor enough to be evicted is not only not indicative of being a bad person...but when one has 6 children to support it is far from surprising. For Pete's sake! Z F-G worjed as a cleaning woman! How upscale should she present herself? I'd imagine she wore a uniform at work or cleaned after hours when the clients weren't in the offices, etc.
I think some who fancy themselves Christians have forgotten that Jesus Christ spent the most important years of his life as a homeless person....Think on it people. How many might turn away those most deserving of kindness or support just based upon their personal appearance. I myself do not profess any Superiority morally or spiritually. But I wouldn't say vile things about a human being based only on their tattoo's or lack of grooming to meet my standards! Give her a break alreayd!
Can one of you say you wouldn't be as mad as Hades if your children were teased because some chippy flung your name into a missing chiold case? I'd be pretty PO'ed myself! If my children were harassed, that would be all the cause I needed to sue the carp out of someone attempting to "borrow" from my life to throw suspicion away from themselves!
JMO.

This is one of the best posts I have read in a long time! Wonderfully put!

[Kathlb]

Carlson Restaurants owns TGIF.

http://www.crww.com/


Ahhh, thanks to everyone who replied!! :seeya:

[st777jo]

Worse, they've all shamed poor little Caylee.:rose:

IMO.

Very true. I was trying to keep Caylee, in my mind, out of that so called family. jmo, jo

[dtviewer]

It's that pesky U.S. Constitution giving defendants the right to confront the witnesses against them. Those darn courts have interpreted that as including the right to know who those adverse witnesses will be before they appear on the witness stand, so that the defendant's attorney can prepare to confront them in a meaningful way. Such a bother! There would be many more convictions if the defense learned about the identity of the adverse witnesses for the first time when those witnesses were called by the prosecution to testify so that the defense couldn't do any background investigation to find out if the adverse witnesses had ever made any inconsistent statements or had any biases against the defendant, and so on. ;-)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I dont quite understand your rant Kat. Take a deep breath and relax......
Nobody on here was upset, or saying they didnt want the defense to have the list of witnesses ahead of time. Nobody was implying in any way that Casey's right to a fair trial be infringed upon.
ONE poster thought it was strange that the list was released to the public before any charges for Caylees disappearance were brought.
That is all......

[CNTM]

Well put Oneup..... And no matter what people want to say about this woman and her decision to pursue this... GUESS WHAT?

Zenaida knows where all SIX of her children are....
:rose: For Caylee

BRAVO!! :beer:

[dtviewer]

I am just curious what exactly is on those visitor cards @ Sawgrass-
I guess her card she filled out will be in evidence right quick @ trial...

Casey said she had no kids, in reality she has 6. Did ZG not tell the truth about how many kids she had on the visitor card, or did Casey mess up on that one? (I bet its hard to find an apt for 6 kids + 1 adult, if not more family members, legally. Hard to find, and expensive. If I had 6 kids, I might lie on an apartment inquiry....)
Nancy cracked me up- to ZG regarding having six children..."Like you need another kid..."

Good nite all. I am praying tonight for an arrest, and looooonngggg stay in the jail for the odious one, starting tomorrow. I can live with
"Time Served".. credit, ya know? Just get her locked up. Bring on the bologna....:seeya:

A copy of the guest card is included in the first big doc dump I believe.
I know I have seen and read it.

[?noanswer]

Is she calling herself Fernandez-Gonzalez, or just Gonzalez? The card she filled out at the Sawgrass was signed Zenaida Gonzalez. I've been assuming all along that the Fernandez add was Casey's.

Am I confused? Is the woman who was just on NG using the hypenated last name? :confused:

Yes, Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez is the name on the paperwork with Orange County. JMO

[OneUp]

But what throws me is the guest card only said Zaneida Gonzalez.
Casey said Zaneida FERNANDEZ Gonzalez.
This Zaneida Gonzalez who filled out the guest card, from what I heard in the interview on NG, her full name is really Zaneida Fernandez Gonzalez.
So how did Casey find out her full name (the Fernandez part) since it wasnt filled out that way on the guest card?
Could have been mail or and ID left in her car....I read that Casey herself kept her old ID hanging in her car with some mardi Gras beads. One interview referred to that, Whomever said she hung them from her rearview mirror. I have seen many people do this, and casey wouldn't have had to do more than walk past the car and stop to read and ID card through the windshield.
Once she had the name it is easy enough to make some guesses about people from internet searches of their names and what the post places like MYSpace in particular.
JMO.

[dtviewer]

Is she calling herself Fernandez-Gonzalez, or just Gonzalez? The card she filled out at the Sawgrass was signed Zenaida Gonzalez. I've been assuming all along that the Fernandez add was Casey's.

Am I confused? Is the woman who was just on NG using the hypenated last name? :confused:

According to the doc ZG's lawyer filled against Casey, she is going by ZANEIDA FERNANDEZ GONZALEZ.

Thats why I am confused now. I also thought the Fernandez was Caseys.

[OneUp]

Im wondering if her "LE bunking connection" had something to do with looking up the plate # of ZG's car (based on a lie by casey perhaps about an auto accident, or some other story).....

and that is how she got ZG's name AND the style of her car (she got the color right, but the model wrong in her memory).

I think that A Rusciano got fired because he looked up a plate # for her (outside of policy)

IMO

best regards,
Pru I haven't seen any evidence of that Pru, but it would not surprise me in the least. Casey is just the sort of female who is skilled at cajoling men into doing stupid things...in my expereince anyway.
Always though, JMO.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I am just curious what exactly is on those visitor cards @ Sawgrass-
I guess her card she filled out will be in evidence right quick @ trial...

Casey said she had no kids, in reality she has 6. Did ZG not tell the truth about how many kids she had on the visitor card, or did Casey mess up on that one? (I bet its hard to find an apt for 6 kids + 1 adult, if not more family members, legally. Hard to find, and expensive. If I had 6 kids, I might lie on an apartment inquiry....)
Nancy cracked me up- to ZG regarding having six children..."Like you need another kid..."

Good nite all. I am praying tonight for an arrest, and looooonngggg stay in the jail for the odious one, starting tomorrow. I can live with
"Time Served".. credit, ya know? Just get her locked up. Bring on the bologna....:seeya:

Page 49 of first document dump includes the completed Guest Card. The time field was either NOT completed or whited-out. The Method of Contact is also missing. Two children's names are listed, perhaps others are adults or living elsewhere.
jmo

[ruth66]

Is she calling herself Fernandez-Gonzalez, or just Gonzalez? The card she filled out at the Sawgrass was signed Zenaida Gonzalez. I've been assuming all along that the Fernandez add was Casey's.

Am I confused? Is the woman who was just on NG using the hypenated last name? :confused:

I really believe that the thing that connects this ZG to the one Casey is accusing is the fact that she was at the sawgrass apts. on the day Casey says she left caylee there. The names of two of her children were written on the card by the maintenance man who filled the card out for her. I think the coincidence that this ZG or any ZG would be at this apt. complex at that apt. are more than coincidence. That to me would say that I am the ZG she is accusing.

[panokatana]

Hey North- i just messaged her and it was that easy. A couple of days later she accepted. Hmmm could it be different for others?

Can you view her friends? What is the gender ratio of her friends, if I may ask? Did you have to specify gender when you asked to be on her friends list?
TIA

[ellegna]

But what throws me is the guest card only said Zaneida Gonzalez.
Casey said Zaneida FERNANDEZ Gonzalez.
This Zaneida Gonzalez who filled out the guest card, from what I heard in the interview on NG, her full name is really Zaneida Fernandez Gonzalez.
So how did Casey find out her full name (the Fernandez part) since it wasnt filled out that way on the guest card?

I still maintain there was more to Anthony Rusciano's firing than just lying about his relationship with Casey. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Anthony got on the LE data base and pulled up info on Zenaida for Casey. All she had to do is give him her name off the guest card or the tag # of her car and poof, all her info appears on the screen.
Maybe while pulling all of Casey's email, text messages, or online chats, LE found a request for that info from Casey to Rusciano. We know that's how LE discovered their relationship.
AND
Guess who's name is missing from the witness list? ANTHONY RUSCIANO
IMO...I bet you he will be appearing on another witness list when Casey is charged for murder/manslaughter

[dtviewer]

I really believe that the thing that connects this ZG to the one Casey is accusing is the fact that she was at the sawgrass apts. on the day Casey says she left caylee there. The names of two of her children were written on the card by the maintenance man who filled the card out for her. I think the coincidence that this ZG or any ZG would be at this apt. complex at that apt. are more than coincidence. That to me would say that I am the ZG she is accusing.


Actually ZG was at the apartment a long time before the day Casey said she dropped Caylee off. Not the same day.

[Joan Weiss]

I'm glad to hear her lawyer is polishing her appearance. As appalled as I was to hear some of the things said on this very board about her based on things like her appearance and allegations that she was evicted, I wasn't surprised. People are very judgemental about shallow surface things. Being Poor enough to be evicted is not only not indicative of being a bad person...but when one has 6 children to support it is far from surprising. For Pete's sake! Z F-G worjed as a cleaning woman! How upscale should she present herself? I'd imagine she wore a uniform at work or cleaned after hours when the clients weren't in the offices, etc.
I think some who fancy themselves Christians have forgotten that Jesus Christ spent the most important years of his life as a homeless person....Think on it people. How many might turn away those most deserving of kindness or support just based upon their personal appearance. I myself do not profess any Superiority morally or spiritually. But I wouldn't say vile things about a human being based only on their tattoo's or lack of grooming to meet my standards! Give her a break alreayd!
Can one of you say you wouldn't be as mad as Hades if your children were teased because some chippy flung your name into a missing chiold case? I'd be pretty PO'ed myself! If my children were harassed, that would be all the cause I needed to sue the carp out of someone attempting to "borrow" from my life to throw suspicion away from themselves!
JMO.BRAVO! :beer:

[OneUp]

I do too. And i am pretty sure (i could be wrong) that Casey would have to sign something. Afterall, she was her mama. :(..

jmo:rose:
You are correct. The only one who can give consent for a childs image to be liscensed is the Parent OR whomever is the legal guardian. Casey CAN sign to allow someone else to be the "payee", but no pictuires of her minor child will make it on air legally unless she or LE puts them there. ( LE of course, uses pictures for Amber Alerts and the like.:))
My Daughter is an actress, and I must sign for every appearance and photograph. She has an agent /Acting coach who has permission "paperwork" that allows her to travel, seek emergency care, etc. BUT every appearance and image must be signed off on by myself or her Biological father.
JMO.

[playnice]

Actually ZG was at the apartment a long time before the day Casey said she dropped Caylee off. Not the same day.

She filled the card out June 16th ZI thought.

[Joan Weiss]

I still maintain there was more to Anthony Rusciano's firing than just lying about his relationship with Casey. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Anthony got on the LE data base and pulled up info on Zenaida for Casey. All she had to do is give him her name off the guest card or the tag # of her car and poof, all her info appears on the screen.
Maybe while pulling all of Casey's email, text messages, or online chats, LE found a request for that info from Casey to Rusciano. We know that's how LE discovered their relationship.
AND
Guess who's name is missing from the witness list? ANTHONY RUSCIANO
IMO...I bet you he will be appearing on another witness list when Casey is charged for murder/manslaughterCasey didn't get the details right. What don't you understand about that? :confused:

[margaret kep]

But what throws me is the guest card only said Zaneida Gonzalez.
Casey said Zaneida FERNANDEZ Gonzalez.
This Zaneida Gonzalez who filled out the guest card, from what I heard in the interview on NG, her full name is really Zaneida Fernandez Gonzalez.
So how did Casey find out her full name (the Fernandez part) since it wasnt filled out that way on the guest card?


CA may have had someone run her plates and got full name. I stated early on that CA had to have close friends living at Sawgrass who could have seen application and gave her the info. My only question is how did ZG get info that an apt was vacant there. Did she read it in newspaper or someone told her or she just stopped there to inquire. ZG may have been set up to see the apt. and then Ms Odious had somebody's name to blame for her crime and set about to do it. JMO:flamemad:

[Pruddennce]

It's possible, but wouldn't whomever the cop was get charged with a crime?

right now LE is saying he was fired because he didnt reveal his relationship with her.

really? that's it? you get fired for that? if he had nothing to do with this crime, wouldnt he just be suspended pending an investigation?

I dont know what LE would do if they have information he used the database outside of policy.

But I do know that Casey is an operator....a liar. sheesh, she was buying a house, then she was buying her mother's house, her father's stroke....on and on and on....

IMO, there has to be more to it than that.

ZG was at the apartment on June 17th. I dont believe Casey saw that visitor card. I think she found other means to 'design the nanny at Sawgrass'.

remember, people like Casey dont look to the future....as evidenced by the elaborate story she told, and didnt give a hoot LE confronted her with the lies...she just kept going and going....

best regards,
Pru

[WillowInFlight]

No but Jesse can sue Cindy.........maybe Amy too! I sure hope they do!

I really can't wait for Cindy, George and Lee to take the stand. I hope to God they get caught perjuring themselves.

[FrankieBones1]

Yes thanks for the Link

Some of these people with no description beside their names. I wonder who they are?

I have no idea who they are yet but the media will track them down for interviews and we'll find out a few soon enough.

[kakax]

He's there. Jmo

Thanks, I have been distracted tonight by blah, blah, blahing SIL...doesn't she know I want to follow this case LOL!!

Missed all of NG....anything good to watch for in the replay?

[Pruddennce]

I still maintain there was more to Anthony Rusciano's firing than just lying about his relationship with Casey. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Anthony got on the LE data base and pulled up info on Zenaida for Casey. All she had to do is give him her name off the guest card or the tag # of her car and poof, all her info appears on the screen.
Maybe while pulling all of Casey's email, text messages, or online chats, LE found a request for that info from Casey to Rusciano. We know that's how LE discovered their relationship.
AND
Guess who's name is missing from the witness list? ANTHONY RUSCIANO
IMO...I bet you he will be appearing on another witness list when Casey is charged for murder/manslaughter


we think alike....:)

I think it was a quick look, got the color right, the model wrong...because it was on the sly and sneaky....

IMO, he's just another duh guy who did something stupid for a fun time. not involved in 'this', but someone who allowed themselves to be used, made a very bad decision and ultimately compromised his employment.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[ruth66]

Actually ZG was at the apartment a long time before the day Casey said she dropped Caylee off. Not the same day.

Actually the date on the card from the apartments says 6/17/08. So it was 2 days before the date they settled on that Caylee went missing. I would say close enough....:)

[desmom]

Wait a minute...I think the colds med are ruling my brain....

Didn't Casey say ZG drove a Ford focus? ZG has a Kia. If someone ran ZG's plates for Casey, she would have known ZG drove a Kia and not a Ford.


jmo

[kakax]

right now LE is saying he was fired because he didnt reveal his relationship with her.

really? that's it? you get fired for that? if he had nothing to do with this crime, wouldnt he just be suspended pending an investigation?

I dont know what LE would do if they have information he used the database outside of policy.

But I do know that Casey is an operator....a liar. sheesh, she was buying a house, then she was buying her mother's house, her father's stroke....on and on and on....

IMO, there has to be more to it than that.

ZG was at the apartment on June 17th. I dont believe Casey saw that visitor card. I think she found other means to 'design the nanny at Sawgrass'.

remember, people like Casey dont look to the future....as evidenced by the elaborate story she told, and didnt give a hoot LE confronted her with the lies...she just kept going and going....

best regards,
Pru
You know the more I think about it....there is no Casey Anthony. She has no sense of self. She has no real identity. She becomes who she wants, get what she wants without having to work like everyone else. I'm sure all of her EX friends think who the heck was this girl.

[Cury-us Coyote]

right now LE is saying he was fired because he didnt reveal his relationship with her.

really? that's it? you get fired for that? if he had nothing to do with this crime, wouldnt he just be suspended pending an investigation?

I dont know what LE would do if they have information he used the database outside of policy.

But I do know that Casey is an operator....a liar. sheesh, she was buying a house, then she was buying her mother's house, her father's stroke....on and on and on....

IMO, there has to be more to it than that.

ZG was at the apartment on June 17th. I dont believe Casey saw that visitor card. I think she found other means to 'design the nanny at Sawgrass'.

remember, people like Casey dont look to the future....as evidenced by the elaborate story she told, and didnt give a hoot LE confronted her with the lies...she just kept going and going....

best regards,
Pru

If I recall correctly, members of Bollingbrook LE were relieved of duty and became ineligible for accrued retirement benefits during the early Peterson investigation.
jmo

[babblefishie]

The biggest thing that annoys me about Casey is her innate belief that she is special or above it all. Being a total skank, child abuser and a liar is not "special". She's a dime a dozen.

She quotes Tupac, Marilyn Monroe, and writes poems about her "great power"

Guess what Casey? I hope you read this...
:flamemad:
Tupac, Monroe... even your former friends -- they DID something with their lives.

You're just a highschool dropout, who uses and abuses friends, STEALS from elderly grandparents, opens your legs to anyone who looks your way, bleeds your parents dry, abuses, neglects your OWN child, blames innocent bystanders for heinous crimes....

Your biggest claim to fame is being worst mother of the year.... a total waste of time and a LOSER....

So don't mistake all this attention for your being unique or special Casey -- You are such a train wreck people can't look away. You're like a car accident on the side of the road. The attention is for your DAUGHTER who did more positive things in her little life than you will EVER do in your LONG life behind bars. IF YOU ARE NOT FRIED THAT IS...

Enjoy prison. They are not fond of child killers in the clink Crazy....
:cuss::cuss:

[OneUp]

Well put Oneup..... And no matter what people want to say about this woman and her decision to pursue this... GUESS WHAT?

Zenaida knows where all SIX of her children are....
:rose: For CayleeITA, She is ( or at least WAS) working to provide for her children, all of whom are still in her care AFAIK.
Her only crime was looking like a good patsy to casey ( or as some believe, having the misfortune to coincidentally share many things in common with a figment of Casey's imagination).
Being poor is not criminal, having an unkempt appearance or tattoo's is not criminal, and being Hispanic is FAR from being a criminal offense...at least to the rational mind!

Now I'm done with harping on this subject...it's one of those that you either "get" or you haven't the tools to "get".
JMO.

[panokatana]

I wonder how things would be if she had chosen a simple, very common name, instead of Z-F-G...where there were hundreds in Orlando alone. Doesn't that seem so less complicated than choosing a name where (according to whitepages.com) there are only about 34 in the US? I wish she had chosen Pano Katana. ;)

JMO

[ruth66]

I agree. Somehow Casey got her name and the make/model of either ZFG's car or a similar one and that's how she built herself a fake nanny for her purposes.

I know that some would say Casey is quite strategic and quick thinking. I say uh uh. I think she's nearly as dumb as a box of rocks. Anyone of even average intelligence would figure out the story(ies) Casey has told wouldn't fly for more than about a minute in any direction. The princess's pants may be on fire, but from the neck up, nobody's home. imo

She just isn't as complicated as we are giving her credit for. I think she put lies together on the fly. Whatever got her out of the immediate situation she was in at that point in time.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I have no idea who they are yet but the media will track them down for interviews and we'll find out a few soon enough.

IMO, Team Baez is also checking to identify any potential witness names not included in the documents released.
jmo

[dixie77]

I am trying to find the audio interview with Lee and LE but i cant find it. Has it been removed? If someone has it, can u please post the link for it? thanks

[kakax]

Wait a minute...I think the colds med are ruling my brain....

Didn't Casey say ZG drove a Ford focus? ZG has a Kia. If someone ran ZG's plates for Casey, she would have known ZG drove a Kia and not a Ford.


jmo

LP's theory was that Casey saw it and thought it was a ford focus.

[desmom]

I wonder how things would be if she had chosen a simple, very common name, instead of Z-F-G...where there were hundreds in Orlando alone. Doesn't that seem so less complicated than choosing a name where (according to whitepages.com) there are only about 34 in the US? I wish she had chosen Pano Katana. ;)

JMO

but a common name is not as dramatic as ZFG.

Casey is all about drrammmmaaaa. jmo

[kakax]

ITA, kakax. One of the psych TH's on NG several weeks ago referred to sociopaths like Casey as 'empty shells.' Very apt description, imo.



Perfect analogy!!

[OneUp]

Is she calling herself Fernandez-Gonzalez, or just Gonzalez? The card she filled out at the Sawgrass was signed Zenaida Gonzalez. I've been assuming all along that the Fernandez add was Casey's.

Am I confused? Is the woman who was just on NG using the hypenated last name? :confused:I am confused on the name aspect of her identity too, though I'm certain her lawyer has it all straightened out! He seems to feel her case has merit....
maybe the Fernandez portion is something she chooses not to use. I'm under the impression that in a Hispanic name, it is the mothers maiden name? If that is correct, maybe she just isn't on good terms w/her mom...or maybe it was a part of her married name once and now reminds her of that ex...my mother has had three husbands and she goes only by the name of the one who was the best guy and who treated her well..he passed of a braiin tumor.
My last name is Legally hypenated, but all of my "Art" has been under just my maiden name forever...it would be a pain to re-establish my artistic name as something else.
JMO.

[ruth66]

It's conceivable Rusciano wasn't going to make it past probation anyway, for reasons having nothing to do with his association with the princess. In the state where I live, an employer can terminate a probationary employee for any reason at all.

We also haven't seen any evidence that Casey involved her buds in any of her devious little plots.

After reading all of their IM's (Rusciano and Casey) I am not sure that is the guy I want out serving and protecting me. He was vulgar..MOO

[Kathlb]

ITA, Joan. I was wondering why they kept referring to her Zenaida Gonzalez and not Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez since that's the name that Casey used.:shrug:

Just guessing here, but I think she got the name and info from Sawgrass when Zaneida looked at that apt. But then (being her cunning self) realized that she probably really did live and work in the local area, so she did that search and found the first part of the hypened name Fernandez and threw that in there to confuse everyone. End result is the same though for the lawsuit, Casey giving the name and the location (Sawgrass) served to make Zaneida's life miserable and for her to lose her job and get death threats. MOO

[margaret kep]

The biggest thing that annoys me about Casey is her innate belief that she is special or above it all. Being a total skank, child abuser and a liar is not "special". She's a dime a dozen.

She quotes Tupac, Marilyn Monroe, and writes poems about her "great power"

Guess what Casey? I hope you read this...
:flamemad:
Tupac, Monroe... even your former friends -- they DID something with their lives.

You're just a highschool dropout, who uses and abuses friends, STEALS from elderly grandparents, opens your legs to anyone who looks your way, bleeds your parents dry, abuses, neglects your OWN child, blames innocent bystanders for heinous crimes....

Your biggest claim to fame is being worst mother of the year.... a total waste of time and a LOSER....

So don't mistake all this attention for your being unique or special Casey -- You are such a train wreck people can't look away. You're like a car accident on the side of the road. The attention is for your DAUGHTER who did more positive things in her little life than you will EVER do in your LONG life behind bars. IF YOU ARE NOT FRIED THAT IS...

Enjoy prison. They are not fond of child killers in the clink Crazy....
:cuss::cuss:


Maybe she has a sexual desease and doesn't give a cjit what anybody thinks. Her days are limited.

[not.another]

Sorry if this has been asked already...

Who is Jamie Realander? He is interviewed in the link below at the right. An audio interview which I haven't listened to yet. Anybody?

http://www.wesh.com/news/17601789/detail.html

[Pruddennce]

It's conceivable Rusciano wasn't going to make it past probation anyway, for reasons having nothing to do with his association with the princess. In the state where I live, an employer can terminate a probationary employee for any reason at all.

We also haven't seen any evidence that Casey involved her buds in any of her devious little plots.

so true. and yes probationary would allow them to fire him. I forgot about that.

some other bud? no info , not yet anyway. LE was fishing around about other guys at the academy she might have been involved with.....asking AR.

he names names, the usual suspects, but then says he was kind of ending it because of things he was finding out about her...

I dunno, she was an operator.

AR did not reveal all about his relationship and that was a bad move obviously. sheesh, a missing child case and he was casual about...

wierd.

best regards,
Pru

[OneUp]

I still maintain there was more to Anthony Rusciano's firing than just lying about his relationship with Casey. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Anthony got on the LE data base and pulled up info on Zenaida for Casey. All she had to do is give him her name off the guest card or the tag # of her car and poof, all her info appears on the screen.
Maybe while pulling all of Casey's email, text messages, or online chats, LE found a request for that info from Casey to Rusciano. We know that's how LE discovered their relationship.
AND
Guess who's name is missing from the witness list? ANTHONY RUSCIANO
IMO...I bet you he will be appearing on another witness list when Casey is charged for murder/manslaughterEllegna, in the last doc. dump there were some rather ugly IM's from Casey and A. Rusciano...I'd suggest them as something to read if you wonder how his involvement in the case might be an issue.
I know he certainly can be fired for lying, and he apparently lied when asked multiple times. There is also some rumor that he had been disciplined before in something unrelated to this case.
I also think he really should have come forward as a witness to Casey's demeanor towards Caylee and her overall character. He is just too close to her to not step forward on his own and request he remain removed from any and all things related to Casey. AFAIK, Officers are advised of what is expected of them in circumstances like these during their training.
JMO.

[Katprint]

I dont quite understand your rant Kat. Take a deep breath and relax......
Nobody on here was upset, or saying they didnt want the defense to have the list of witnesses ahead of time. Nobody was implying in any way that Casey's right to a fair trial be infringed upon.
ONE poster thought it was strange that the list was released to the public before any charges for Caylees disappearance were brought.
That is all......
I was being facetious, and simultaneously trying to explain why the witness lists are commonly released so far ahead of time. I'm not angry. Sorry if it came across wrong. :seeya:

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[panokatana]

but a common name is not as dramatic as ZFG.

Casey is all about drrammmmaaaa. jmo

You are so right... Again, I made the mistake of giving her an ounce of normalcy.
She's young now...in her element...all about the Casey...if she manages to avoid the DP, one day she could be an old woman sitting in a prison cell...for what, a few good hot bod times? What was it that Judge Judy wrote?? "Beauty fades...but stupid is forever!" (For me, the beauty is only in Casey's mind...not mine.)
She just doesn't appear to be afraid of prison...(In my day...yeah, waaaay back then...it took one viewing of that Linda Blair Film "Born Innocent" <anyone remember that???> and my entire junior high was scared straight. Jail was worse than death, we thought!)

JMO

[OneUp]

I agree. Somehow Casey got her name and the make/model of either ZFG's car or a similar one and that's how she built herself a fake nanny for her purposes.

I know that some would say Casey is quite strategic and quick thinking. I say uh uh. I think she's nearly as dumb as a box of rocks. Anyone of even average intelligence would figure out the story(ies) Casey has told wouldn't fly for more than about a minute in any direction. The princess's pants may be on fire, but from the neck up, nobody's home. imoITA with you. I don't think she could fool anyone who wasn't invested in fooling themselves about her, IYKWIM?
JMO.

[poplife]

No but Jesse can sue Cindy.........maybe Amy too! I sure hope they do!

No, I really doubt that. jmo.

[Pruddennce]

I think it's a leap to assume there's an accomplice who knows the whole story.

As far as why Casey would use a name of a real person ... don't forget, this is the same chickee who walked very purposefully in front of 2 detectives down a hallway at Universal toward her nonexistent office. Until she simply stopped, turned around, and said ... oops.

Trying to apply logic, reason or any level of intelligence to what Casey does is futile, imo.


futile is a perfect descriptive term.

IMO, no, there isnt one person who knows what happened.

Her parents, LE, and anyone else she spoke to initially, have been told 'her version, expanded version, touched up version', but not what happened to caylee in this dimension.

Im sure the story has evolved even more, with additional details solely for Baez to digest....or regurgitate.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Joan Weiss]

I agree. I have a feeling though as long as she is in that house and getting the support she is getting from family. She will not break or crack but if she is away from them. I stated this before as well. I think there is a better chance of her slipping up or confessing SOMETHING if she is seperated from the family and not in her comfy home ect.

As long as she is free to be at home she isn't going to give an inch.

Good to reead/see you :seeya:Thank you, it's always good to read you. You're probably right. They're all sitting there thinking up new lies, to twist everything. They aren't sweating, they're too arrogant for that. imo

[ruth66]

I think it's a leap to assume there's an accomplice who knows the whole story.

As far as why Casey would use a name of a real person ... don't forget, this is the same chickee who walked very purposefully in front of 2 detectives down a hallway at Universal toward her nonexistent office. Until she simply stopped, turned around, and said ... oops.

Trying to apply logic, reason or any level of intelligence to what Casey does is futile, imo.

and then later in the interview stated that she had left her phone on her desk and it was stolen, to which she filed a report with security???? One thing is clear, she has been lieing for a very long time and is well versed at it.....

[msjoni]

You know the more I think about it....there is no Casey Anthony. She has no sense of self. She has no real identity. She becomes who she wants, get what she wants without having to work like everyone else. I'm sure all of her EX friends think who the heck was this girl.

You've just described a sociopath...which she is...

[Pruddennce]

and then later in the interview stated that she had left her phone on her desk and it was stolen, to which she filed a report with security???? One thing is clear, she has been lieing for a very long time and is well versed at it.....

there it is rose: the minute details of her lies....told on the spot without hesitation.

she's a psychopath.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[margaret kep]

I usually agree with you lol BUT. I don't think how a person is in private like intimate or sexual relationsips verbally or physically effects how they do their job as an officer. Let's face it. Most men are whats a word i can use and not get banned for?

If a man is vulgar with his sexual talk or activities. I don't think that effects his job. I don't know how else to say that without getting banned for being to explicit.



Wow, I haven't read anything on transcript about their vulgarity. If I ask nice, can someone give a link on this please. TIA:eek:

[OneUp]

When all this started, she may have given her parent's power of attorney figuring she'd be sitting in jail for a very long time. BTW, thanks Lenny. JMO.That may be...I'm not sure if and how she can do so regarding her child, but I'm sure someone on here ( KatPrint?) will know.
I can't see Casey GIVING anything of the sort to her parents though...isn't that likely one of the things that started her rampage to ruin?

She certainly could have signed off to allow Baez or some thrid party like that permission to do as they like with a one time one video sort of thing. Like when i sign for my daughter...the pics. and video are no longer mine and may be used however the holder see's fit. In the end though, no one can exploit caylee's image w/o Casey's blessing at some point.
IS it really surprising that she would think nothing of profiting off of Caylee?

JMO.

[tulpje]

Is she calling herself Fernandez-Gonzalez, or just Gonzalez? The card she filled out at the Sawgrass was signed Zenaida Gonzalez. I've been assuming all along that the Fernandez add was Casey's.

Am I confused? Is the woman who was just on NG using the hypenated last name? :confused:



Her name is Zenaida Gonzalez.
You are right she added the Fernandez because of Casey.

That's going to be her down fall in court, you can not file a lawsuit under a false name, that's what she's doing right now.

[Pruddennce]

I think she did indeed use his equipment ... once or twice. :D

As far as whether she used him or his gear to get info, I doubt she's that smart or calculating.

IMO, Casey is always 'on'.

best regards,
Pru

[Pruddennce]

Wow, I haven't read anything on transcript about their vulgarity. If I ask nice, can someone give a link on this please. TIA:eek:

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/03%20Rusciano%20Transcript.pdf


best regards,
Pru

[Cury-us Coyote]

Sorry if this has been asked already...

Who is Jamie Realander? He is interviewed in the link below at the right. An audio interview which I haven't listened to yet. Anybody?

http://www.wesh.com/news/17601789/detail.html

IIRC, a temp shot girl.

jmo

[margaret kep]

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/03%20Rusciano%20Transcript.pdf


best regards,
Pru


Thank you Pru - I owe you one.:beer:

[ruth66]

I usually agree with you lol BUT. I don't think how a person is in private like intimate or sexual relationsips verbally or physically effects how they do their job as an officer. Let's face it. Most men are whats a word i can use and not get banned for?

If a man is vulgar with his sexual talk or activities. I don't think that effects his job. I don't know how else to say that without getting banned for being to explicit.

I understand what you are trying to say and respect your opinion. I tend to hold police officers to a higher standard than the average citizen. His references of "the offspring" and "kid" just strike me wrong....just something I have an issue with. I guess I am looking at it from the stance that if you have a child and you are dating, you may want to date someone that is going to be a positive influence on your child and show some respect for you. The comments to me show disrepect for Casey by him. I know, I will be the first to admit that my standards are a bit tough...I just think that at the point that you have a child you kind of give up a lot of your freedom. Okay reading back I went off on the soap box again, sorry.....:)

[Rayosunshine]

According to the doc ZG's lawyer filled against Casey, she is going by ZANEIDA FERNANDEZ GONZALEZ.

Thats why I am confused now. I also thought the Fernandez was Caseys.

I thought so too. Wonder if Zenaida does have "Fernandez" in her name?

[Rayosunshine]

No but Jesse can sue Cindy.........maybe Amy too! I sure hope they do!

Maybe Jesse and Amy will contract with the attorney handling Zenaida's case.

[OneUp]

Something pretty simple here...
If Casey took the time to note Z F-G's car and basic info. at Sawgrass on the 17th, that tells me that she NEEDED that information on the 17th. I.E. she was looking for someone to fill out the "Fake nanny"...That indicates to me that she was setting up a real suspect then, so therefore it is likely that Caylee was already gone. Casey was setting up alibis and false leads that soon after she and Caylee left home because she needed to have the information at hand quickly if needed.
I hope I managed to explain that clearly enough...???...I have trouble keeping it short!
JMO.

[Katprint]

Katprint -- what do you think of rosejustrose's suggestion that putting out the names of 80+ potential witnesses is deliberate because it sends the defense in a gazillion different directions?

Your garden-variety auto accident civil trial has at least 40-50 potential witnesses when it comes to the percipient witnesses to the accident, the responding police and EMTs, the ER doctors, the primary care physician, the specialists i.e. orthopedist, chiropractor, pain management counselor, anyone who prepared or interpreted radiology (x-rays, MRIs, etc.), the employer's HR personnel, the friends and family members who can corroborate how the plaintiff used to do things in the past that he/she can no longer do, impeaching witnesses located by the defense who saw the plaintiff do those things that the plaintiff supposedly cannot do and/or who know about plaintiff's prior undisclosed pre-existing conditions, each side's expert witnesses (disability evaluation experts, surgical experts, economists to forecast the present value of future lost earnings, etc.) and so on. And that is the simplest trial that I can think of.

In a complicated trial like Casey's, particularly where she has lied about so many things and thus put so many facts in controversy, listing 80 potential witnesses does not seem like overkill to me. Plus, if the defense can prove that the listed witness actually cannot provide relevant testimony (for example, if the only knowledge that witness has is the quality of Casey's poledancing, then testimony about that subject is probably not relevant) then the defense can file a motion to have that witness' testimony excluded.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[playnice]

I thought so too. Wonder if Zenaida does have "Fernandez" in her name?

I wonder if Gloria (her mother) and Samatha (her sister) are really 2 of her childrens names?

[not.another]

Why does NG keep asking the questions about the scenario of the suspect telling her lawyer where the child is buried and what the lawyer's obligation is? She talked about this last night too. Does anyone think there is info. that we are not privy to?:shrug:

I found that part very interesting. Apparently, Casey has not come clean with Baez, or he would be down at prosecutions feet begging for a plea deal! imo

[kakax]

Bear with me ya'll please.

I wasn't able to watch NG first go round. And I missed Renee's last statement about needing to dump his client....did she mean Baez? I caught the last part and I wasn't sure what they said.

ETA...NM i see you all are already talking about it ty!

[tulpje]

Where did you get that information, tulpje?

I'm now assuming that 1) she abbreviated her full name on the card at the Sawgrass (it's not against the law to do that, LOL), and 2) her attorney is a pro and wouldn't file a suit on her behalf before checking her identity.



I got that info from a link I posted earlier, but had to delete because of some reason you can only post certain links and other you can not.
I have no clue what the difference is, but oh well.....

I can put the link up again and be told you can't post that link

If that makes any sense to you....................it does not to me.

Her attorney is a pro?
I suppose......
He's in it for the money and having his face on teevee and his name in the paper.

That lawsuit will fail.
Over, done with.
End of story.

[aubrey04]

Is the 'Read The Witness List' link inside of the WESH article working for anyone?

It seems like clicking on it is refreshing the page.

I couldn't get it to work either. It is messed up but here is a direct link with the witness list:

http://www.wesh.com/news/17601789/detail.html

[kakax]

Does anyone know if the ZG that was on NG tonight had or has a myspace? Just askin'



She had one...it is now set to private.

[OneUp]

I understand what you are trying to say and respect your opinion. I tend to hold police officers to a higher standard than the average citizen. His references of "the offspring" and "kid" just strike me wrong....just something I have an issue with. I guess I am looking at it from the stance that if you have a child and you are dating, you may want to date someone that is going to be a positive influence on your child and show some respect for you. The comments to me show disrepect for Casey by him. I know, I will be the first to admit that my standards are a bit tough...I just think that at the point that you have a child you kind of give up a lot of your freedom. Okay reading back I went off on the soap box again, sorry.....:)I think I get what you are saying Ruth. I wasn't bothered by any vulgarity that passed between he and Casey...consenting adults, etc. What bothered me was that not only did he tolerate casye's way of speaking of her child, but he seemed to sanction it. He also referred to the pretend nanny as that "other B**ch" at one point when they were desperate to hook up and Casey didn't have a babysitter. Those things were unacceptable behavior to me for someone out protecting and serving the public...not any naughty adult behavior ( Thank your stars you or my lovelife hasn't been publicized! LOL:D).
JMO.

[kakax]

Hey Katprint....

What are your thoughts on whether or not LE will go through with the child neglect case. I'm thinking they will go for further charges and that trial won't actually happen. What are you thinking?

[WillowInFlight]

Willow could you please pretty please tell me if anything new happened today i couldnt get on i really hate asking .........thanks

Sorry I was watching bravo, nope nothing other than Casey is now being called the only suspect in the case. Hopefully an arrest is coming soon, I'm thinking Friday.

[desmom]

Is it common practice to release it BEFORE the defendant is charged?

She has been charged....child neglect, obstruction of justice, check fraud.....

[tulpje]

I found that part very interesting. Apparently, Casey has not come clean with Baez, or he would be down at prosecutions feet begging for a plea deal! imo


What?
She has not even been charged!
How can he even plea for anything?

:(

[Rayosunshine]

Sorry if this has been asked already...

Who is Jamie Realander? He is interviewed in the link below at the right. An audio interview which I haven't listened to yet. Anybody?

http://www.wesh.com/news/17601789/detail.html

I think she temped at Fusian as a shot girl and Casey was the "manager" of the shot girls.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Fox 35 Video

Witness list in Casy Anthony case released
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7557183&version=1&locale=EN-US

[Cury-us Coyote]

Fox 35 Video

Anthony court date postponed
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7557383&version=1&locale=EN-US

[Rayosunshine]

Her name is Zenaida Gonzalez.
You are right she added the Fernandez because of Casey.

That's going to be her down fall in court, you can not file a lawsuit under a false name, that's what she's doing right now.

That will be a problem. Wonder if Z's attorney is going to find a way around it?

[playnice]

Who is chris that casey visited the day ZG visited SG aptments?

[ruth66]

Something pretty simple here...
If Casey took the time to note Z F-G's car and basic info. at Sawgrass on the 17th, that tells me that she NEEDED that information on the 17th. I.E. she was looking for someone to fill out the "Fake nanny"...That indicates to me that she was setting up a real suspect then, so therefore it is likely that Caylee was already gone. Casey was setting up alibis and false leads that soon after she and Caylee left home because she needed to have the information at hand quickly if needed.
I hope I managed to explain that clearly enough...???...I have trouble keeping it short!
JMO.

ITA, I don't think that she even took into consideration the other lies she told her friends. I think Casey is a "one fire at a time" person. She focuses on one at a time. She was keeping her sets of friends somewhat separated. I think the reason she told CA that Jessie was "dangerous" is because I believe that Jesse is the one person that finally had figured her out somewhat. He was in and out of her life (at her will) and he truly loved her. I don't know that he knows anything about Caylee, but I think he knows that she was not always forthecoming with him and his family. She just didn't want her parents talking to him and getting any truth from him.

[kakax]

Wasn't LP's first theory that if Casey made up a name she would have used Rosa or Maria? Thats why he said he came to Orlando...

JMO

They just showed the cars up on NG....they look identical to me.

[kakax]

I bet a murder change is comeing soon!

I can't wait...I truly can't. Every time I come on here, I go to links thread praying there will be a link to see her arrested fanny going back to jail.

[ruth66]

I found that part very interesting. Apparently, Casey has not come clean with Baez, or he would be down at prosecutions feet begging for a plea deal! imo

I don't think Baez would plea for a deal if it was proven there was a video of Casey killing and disposing of Caylee (to which there is not that we know of). Baez sees this as his chance to be recognized as a "high profile" lawyer and sees $$$$$$ in the end.:)

[Rayosunshine]

Does anyone know if the ZG that was on NG tonight had or has a myspace? Just askin'

I believe she does, or did. Called herself "beba"

[WillowInFlight]

I think she temped at Fusian as a shot girl and Casey was the "manager" of the shot girls.

Speaking of shot girls, hubby and I went out the other night and I was shocked to see the shot girls take as many shots as the customers. What exactly does a shot "manager" do?

[WillowInFlight]

You and about a million others!! IMO. Oh well another early day tomorrow and the weather is turning cool, perfect for sleeping. Fall is here. I wonder if they'll be handing out candy for Halloween in the Anthony house or just donated bottled water (if there's any left).

Good night, all:seeya:
LOL. I wonder if any parents will even let their kids trick or treat there.

[OneUp]

I can agree about the dog theory.

I think the stroke thing came from knowing her grandfather hd one. I believe the accident thing came from Amy's car accident.

From the interviews (Iforget who) Casey said the ER nurse noticed the cut behind the ear the next day. HELLO? The ER nurse would no longer be involved and find or notice anything once that person was admitted.

She uses bits of past experiences or things she does know about someone or something to feed into her lies.

It's amazing. She is worse than my X-Husband with her lies. Thats saying A LOT.Yes, the detailed physical informtion fron Zenaida the nanny's fake accident is VERY disturbing to me. Casey lies about things she has actually seen and then placed into another context ( I imagine as the details really are real, she thinks they will sound more credible as a part of her lies...just like giving all three names of a person is more specific and to her, makes it sound more real).
To me, that means she actually saw someone with those maladies...and AFAIK, Casey has never witnessed a terrible accident so that leads me to think she saw the vomiting, blacking out, breathing troubles, and laceration(s) on Caylee. It hurts to think so bluntly about what her precious little self suffered at the hands of her own mother.
JMO.

[poplife]

I've only read the first link of texts to Amy and I'm already astounded at what a prolific liar she is. It's constantly.

Ooh, I bruised my rib, I've got the flu, 3 hours before she's to meet amy at the house in oveido.

I'm not feeling well, all the sudden, hours before plans to meet friends to go to tampa for a concert.

going as far as planning out flights 2 mos in advance for PR trip.

saying she's working split 12 hour shifts per day.

I need some rest, so it's best that I stay home.

omg, I cannot take this woman, she is diabolical!

[Rayosunshine]

Speaking of shot girls, hubby and I went out the other night and I was shocked to see the shot girls take as many shots as the customers. What exactly does a shot "manager" do?

Sorry, the only "shot" girl I've managed are nurses.

[OneUp]

I don't think Baez would plea for a deal if it was proven there was a video of Casey killing and disposing of Caylee (to which there is not that we know of). Baez sees this as his chance to be recognized as a "high profile" lawyer and sees $$$$$$ in the end.:)
ITA, There is no glory or fame to be found in a plea deal.
Sorry to be so harsh, but i don't see anything but self glorification in any move made so far by Baez...that twerp even neglected other PAYING clients to put himself front and center when Casey first left jail.
I think he has been hoping for a high profile case since he ( finally) passed the bar....look at his past cases for evidence of that. One other child murderer and a High profile defendant who got out of trouble as witness(s) refused to testify...blech! In some ways he offends me the worst as he should be striving to uphold the law and set an example of what is right.
But that's just MO.

[poplife]

could i please have the link to these i haven't read them yet....................thanks

np, http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/09/casey-anthony-t.html

[Rayosunshine]

Ok .. I need to catch up ... I thought the article said it was a potential witness list IF she were charged for MURDER.
Did I misunderstand? Is this the list for charges she's already facing?

Neglect or check fraud, that all I know of so far. I would imagine if she were charged with murder or something along those lines, the list would change.

[poplife]

Have you been following this case at all?
sounds like on a website aptly named, daily horsepoopey dot com.

[Joan Weiss]

Wait a minute...I think the colds med are ruling my brain....

Didn't Casey say ZG drove a Ford focus? ZG has a Kia. If someone ran ZG's plates for Casey, she would have known ZG drove a Kia and not a Ford.
jmoExactly. She saw ZG drive away, but she got the make wrong. I think she put together info she got on the internet, ZGs in other states, other Gonzales (She said ZG had a sister named Sam) and wove it all into the story about ZFG, the woman she saw looking at the apt. I think she actually thought LE would dog this woman forever.

Marc Klass was right; Casey is an "odious creature." It wouldn't have bothered her a bit if ZFG were imprisoned for kidnapping. What a little slime. imo

[ruth66]

Yes, the detailed physical informtion fron Zenaida the nanny's fake accident is VERY disturbing to me. Casey lies about things she has actually seen and then placed into another context ( I imagine as the details really are real, she thinks they will sound more credible as a part of her lies...just like giving all three names of a person is more specific and to her, makes it sound more real).
To me, that means she actually saw someone with those maladies...and AFAIK, Casey has never witnessed a terrible accident so that leads me to think she saw the vomiting, blacking out, breathing troubles, and laceration(s) on Caylee. It hurts to think so bluntly about what her precious little self suffered at the hands of her own mother.
JMO.

Keep in mind that this elaborate story came out of the mouth of CA, to which her attention to detail blew me away. When GA was asked about the same incident, his response was that story was relayed to him by his wife. He did not provide the same details just that it was relayed to him by his wife. I can't even remember what I posted yesterday sometimes...I want that kind of memory:)

[dixie77]

Didnt Lee say that he wanted to go into missing children cases as his profession? Anyone remember whenn he said this?

[Mamie]

Okay, I don't get this........I just heard the cops interviewing Casey about Zenaida having any kids and Casey said she didn't have any and that it just never came whether she could or could not. Then NG has the real Zenaida on her show and she has two children and the cops asked her in the beginning if she had two children and she said YES. So why did Casey say she had no children and how did the cops find out she had 2 children?

[babblefishie]

Typewriter, copy machine, tire jack, electric saw. :rolleyes:

lololol:lol:

[Joan Weiss]

What?
She has not even been charged!
How can he even plea for anything?

:(He has already made one attempt to discuss things with the attorney general. They e-mailed him back and asked him what he had to offer. He never replied to that e-mail. Go read the links, please.

[tulpje]

Have you been following this case at all?




Yes I have been from the beginning.

I made that post because why would a defense lawyer beg a prosecutor at their feet for a plea bargain if no murder charges have been filed.......
The poster I was addressing to was referring to murder charges.

The only charges are: child neglect, forgery, theft, lying to LE and some more.

But not murder charges.

[Pruddennce]

I got that info from a link I posted earlier, but had to delete because of some reason you can only post certain links and other you can not.
I have no clue what the difference is, but oh well.....

I can put the link up again and be told you can't post that link

If that makes any sense to you....................it does not to me.

Her attorney is a pro?
I suppose......
He's in it for the money and having his face on teevee and his name in the paper.

That lawsuit will fail.
Over, done with.
End of story.
Ive pondered this before: if she was fired, why doesnt she sue her employer, or is that a secondary case we are not hearing about?

best regards,
Pru

[st777jo]

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Originally Posted by tulpje View Post
Her name is Zenaida Gonzalez.
You are right she added the Fernandez because of Casey.

That's going to be her down fall in court, you can not file a lawsuit under a false name, that's what she's doing right now.


That will be a problem. Wonder if Z's attorney is going to find a way around it?

It all depends if her legal name has Fernandez in it.

My name has a hyphen, but I don't use it on everything.

[Pruddennce]

Okay, I don't get this........I just heard the cops interviewing Casey about Zenaida having any kids and Casey said she didn't have any and that it just never came whether she could or could not. Then NG has the real Zenaida on her show and she has two children and the cops asked her in the beginning if she had two children and she said YES. So why did Casey say she had no children and how did the cops find out she had 2 children?

Casey said she had no children.

ZG, the one on TV tonite said she had six children. and perhaps all of them dont live with her.

best regards,
Pru

[Joan Weiss]

Okay, I don't get this........I just heard the cops interviewing Casey about Zenaida having any kids and Casey said she didn't have any and that it just never came whether she could or could not. Then NG has the real Zenaida on her show and she has two children and the cops asked her in the beginning if she had two children and she said YES. So why did Casey say she had no children and how did the cops find out she had 2 children?She said she has six children. Did you watch it?

[Pruddennce]

Cops found out through the Guest card ZFG filled out according to her attorney.

What is bothering me is They asked her about 2 children not 6 children? Her attorney said she listed 2 of her children on the guest card. Is that the amount of children she had with her when looking at AN apartment at Sawgrass?

That part is baffling me;

they showed a quick pic clip of her kids.....they are not all small children and maybe they dont all live with her.

best regards,
Pru

[barskin&co.]

Casey said she had no children.

ZG, the one on TV tonite said she had six children. and perhaps all of them dont live with her.

best regards,
Pru

When she signed the card at Sawgrass, she included only two children; I think we can extrapolate that she was only intending to share that apartment with those two.

[WillowInFlight]

Ive pondered this before: if she was fired, why doesnt she sue her employer, or is that a secondary case we are not hearing about?

best regards,
Pru

If Florida is an "at will" state would she be able to sue?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Didnt Lee say that he wanted to go into missing children cases as his profession? Anyone remember whenn he said this?

IIRC during a video interview after a Trenton Duckett vigil @ Leesburg.
jmo

[OneUp]

I think she got the information about the injuries from a little bit from Amy's accident and the rest she has heard her mother talk about from being a nurse. I don't think her description of those injuries and all that had to do with Caylee at all. I may be wrong but i think she made them up based on other peoples experiences that she knew and things her mother said when home that she dealt with as a nurse.

I might be trying to downplay this because I don't want to think about Casey doing something PAINFUL to kill Caylee.

:(:(You may be correct...heck, as mmuch time as she had to watch tv and movies, she may have gleaned that info. from there too. However, Casey's predilection seems to be to utilze things she has seen firsthand for lies...I see her as a mainly visual learner. I think the closest she comes to feeling most things is to experience them by watching them firsthand in others....and IMO, Casey thinks the things most "real" and vivid to her memory will be equally real to others when she reports them...egocentricity at it's finest.
I remember her description of the supposed call from Caylee, a call that seems based largely upon the video of Caylee reading that we have seen. Why put book reading and talking about her shoes in that call? It makes no sense other than that Casey knew there was video proof of Caylee reading that book...maybe something similar about the shoes as well....I think those things were important in her mind and therefore she assumed others would see how important Caylee was to her because she remembered something about Caylee that was "proveable"...not how weird those things were to focus on as she has no concept of "normal".
I'm having trouble explaining why I think she uses things she knows from seeing or reading them firsthand...some of it is more instinctual and falls into the same area as how I "know" someone is lying...I just "get" things about some aspects of human behavior...like having an ear for music I suppose. Part of it is personal expereince with people who behave like Casey....I've encountered many parents and clients with similar personalities and behaviors.
JMO.

[tulpje]

He has already made one attempt to discuss things with the attorney general. They e-mailed him back and asked him what he had to offer. He never replied to that e-mail. Go read the links, please.



I know and he denied on tv that he made contact to the AT office.
I read the links, thank you very much.

:punch:

[Mamie]

Casey said she had no children.

ZG, the one on TV tonite said she had six children. and perhaps all of them dont live with her.

best regards,
Pru


I must have missed the part where she said she had 6, I only heard her say that she was shopping with her two daughters when the cops first called her. But my question is........how did the cops find out that she had children (two or however they worded it when they asked her) when Casey had told them ZG had no children? I was just wondering I guess at what point the cops started checking things out about ZG against what Casey was telling them. And I would be curious to find out how the cops knew to ask her about her children and when they found out she had children they told her that they needed to talk to her. Thanks

[ruth66]

Okay, I don't get this........I just heard the cops interviewing Casey about Zenaida having any kids and Casey said she didn't have any and that it just never came whether she could or could not. Then NG has the real Zenaida on her show and she has two children and the cops asked her in the beginning if she had two children and she said YES. So why did Casey say she had no children and how did the cops find out she had 2 children?

I am sorry to sound like a broken record about this stuff, quite frankly it is the only part I understand (for the most part). The card filled out at the Sawgrass apt. was filled out by the mainentance man. He recorded the names of the two children she had with her that day. It is in his testimony. When ZG was contacted by LE they asked her is she had two children named such and such to which she replied yes. Not meaning that those were her only children but that two of her children were named those names. I don't think she is being dishonest about anything. Why would anyone want to inject themselves into something like this??? That just doesn't make any sense to me.:shrug:

[playnice]

Cops found out through the Guest card ZFG filled out according to her attorney.

What is bothering me is They asked her about 2 children not 6 children? Her attorney said she listed 2 of her children on the guest card. Is that the amount of children she had with her when looking at AN apartment at Sawgrass?

That part is baffling me;

She is not young. Maybe 4 of them are married or moved out.

[anyonesguess]

I am reading that Casey's court date was postponed until Oct 14th from the originally scheduled date of "THIS THURSDAY"

I thought her court date was not until NOVEMBER originally?:shrug:

[tulpje]

Cops found out through the Guest card ZFG filled out according to her attorney.

What is bothering me is They asked her about 2 children not 6 children? Her attorney said she listed 2 of her children on the guest card. Is that the amount of children she had with her when looking at AN apartment at Sawgrass?

That part is baffling me;



Zaneida is just an other liar in the bunch, It's that easy.

She has 6 kids, not 2.

[OneUp]

Didnt Lee say that he wanted to go into missing children cases as his profession? Anyone remember whenn he said this?I remember him saying it...I think it was just around the time casey was taken back to jail the first time...and not long after Cindy made the public statements about being calm and there being nothing she or casey could do about things now...that was a really freaky week and I think we were all hoping Lee would say something rational and emotional about Caylee. HaHa on us, huh?:rolleyes:
I think it was right before or after a Kidfinders fundraiser...seems like Trentons dad was at the function.
JMO.

[not.another]

I think she temped at Fusian as a shot girl and Casey was the "manager" of the shot girls.

Thank you.

[Mamie]

Cops found out through the Guest card ZFG filled out according to her attorney.

What is bothering me is They asked her about 2 children not 6 children? Her attorney said she listed 2 of her children on the guest card. Is that the amount of children she had with her when looking at AN apartment at Sawgrass?

That part is baffling me;

It sounds like from reading other posts here, that the general concensus is that ZG was going to share the apartment with only two of her children. Or maybe she would do like people here in California (and probably other places as well) do, they only list what they think the management wants to hear, and then they sneak the others in and they are always "cousins-----visiting cousins"! JMO

[anyonesguess]

Zaneida is just an other liar in the bunch, It's that easy.

She has 6 kids, not 2.

How do you know if they all live with her?

[Pruddennce]

If Florida is an "at will" state would she be able to sue?

yes they can terminate, but heck, she still can sue...

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Joan Weiss]

When she signed the card at Sawgrass, she included only two children; I think we can extrapolate that she was only intending to share that apartment with those two.I agree, barskin. The others are probably older and out of the nest. imo

[not.another]

I don't think Baez would plea for a deal if it was proven there was a video of Casey killing and disposing of Caylee (to which there is not that we know of). Baez sees this as his chance to be recognized as a "high profile" lawyer and sees $$$$$$ in the end.:)

I think I'm misunderstanding your reply. What video are you talkiing about? I didn't say anything about a video. I meant if casey came clean & fessed up about Caylee. :shrug:

[barskin&co.]

Thank you.

Actually, the owners of Fusian said on the Nancy Grace show that Casey never worked there.

[WillowInFlight]

Zaneida is just an other liar in the bunch, It's that easy.

She has 6 kids, not 2.
How do we know she lied? maybe only 2 kids live with her, no reason to say 6 if the 6 weren't going to be moving in there. Wow that was pretty harsh. Rather than think of her as a liar I would say she is another victim of Princess Casey.

[playnice]

It sounds like from reading other posts here, that the general concensus is that ZG was going to share the apartment with only two of her children. Or maybe she would do like people here in California (and probably other places as well) do, they only list what they think the management wants to hear, and then they sneak the others in and they are always "cousins-----visiting cousins"! JMO

Maybe the 4 live with their dad.

I would love to know if these children are named Gloria and Samatha.

[anyonesguess]

How do we know she lied? maybe only 2 kids live with her, no reason to say 6 if the 6 weren't going to be moving in there. Wow that was pretty harsh. Rather than think of her as a liar I would say she is another victim of Princess Casey.


I thought it was rather harsh myself.

[barskin&co.]

Are you forgetting lying to authorities?

Casey has that charge too.

Yes, she swore out and signed a handwritten complaint which was pure fiction. That is the "filing a false police report" charge.

[Mamie]

I am sorry to sound like a broken record about this stuff, quite frankly it is the only part I understand (for the most part). The card filled out at the Sawgrass apt. was filled out by the mainentance man. He recorded the names of the two children she had with her that day. It is in his testimony. When ZG was contacted by LE they asked her is she had two children named such and such to which she replied yes. Not meaning that those were her only children but that two of her children were named those names. I don't think she is being dishonest about anything. Why would anyone want to inject themselves into something like this??? That just doesn't make any sense to me.:shrug:

Thanks for explaining all of that and I'm sorry that you've had to do it so many times, but my question was how did the cops know about the kids and think this was the gal they needed to talk to when Casey told them that her nanny, ZG, had no children. I now understand how the cops found out about the two children but why would they think this was their gal when Casey said no children. Maybe they were not believing anything at that point (already) that Casey was telling them.

[tulpje]

How do you know if they all live with her?



It makes no difference, if someone asks her :"how many kids do you have", and she says: "two".

That's a lie.

She has SIX kids!!!!!!!

[Pruddennce]

Actually, the owners of Fusian said on the Nancy Grace show that Casey never worked there.

Tony's interview: she "HUNG OUT" and nagged at Tony to "HELP"...

so I agree, she was just hanging around trying to wiggle her way into 'management' to elevate her standing in the club....*to be somebody*.....

come to fusion, come to fusion......

gawd.

where was caylee that friday nite? on the 13th?

best regards,
Pru

[Kathlb]

Methinks someone's back with a new name. ;)

I don't think Zaneida will have any problem at all showing she has been defamed and harmed (not physically) by Casey. jmho

[EGirl]

Zaneida is just an other liar in the bunch, It's that easy.

She has 6 kids, not 2.

This post is exactly why she will win her case.


''just another liar in the bunch".

[barskin&co.]

Zaneida is just an other liar in the bunch, It's that easy.

She has 6 kids, not 2.

I think you should stop accusing her of lying based on your assumptions. Where did she say she had only 2 kids? How do you know she doesn't have the name Fernandez?

[Joan Weiss]

I know and he denied on tv that he made contact to the AT office.
I read the links, thank you very much.

:punch:So he lies. He and Casey make a good match, don't you think?

[ruth66]

It sounds like from reading other posts here, that the general concensus is that ZG was going to share the apartment with only two of her children. Or maybe she would do like people here in California (and probably other places as well) do, they only list what they think the management wants to hear, and then they sneak the others in and they are always "cousins-----visiting cousins"! JMO

Mamie, this not directed at you but I do not get why some on this board want so badly to paint ZG in the worst light possible. It seems that it is accepted that Casey is a liar but anyone else that tries to protect themselves from the false accusations that are put out by Casey are scrutinized more harsely than even anyone in this case that we have proof is lying. I just don't see how this is right or justified. I know (speaking for myself) if I was accused of something as terrible as this, I would do whatever it takes to clear my name (including hiring a lawyer who advises me to file a suit). From what Mr. Morgan stated in his 1st interview, the main reason to file the suit was to force depositions to be taken and evidence to be released that would clear ZG's name. If the case against Casey doesn't get tried for years, what is ZG expected to do until then?
How many children she has living with her and how many she listed on her visitor card is of no relevance to the fact that Casey singled her out. Again, not directed at you, just getting peeved at the judgement of this poor woman....:)

[WillowInFlight]

It makes no difference, if someone asks her :"how many kids do you have", and she says: "two".

That's a lie.

She has SIX kids!!!!!!!

Maybe she was asked how many kids would be moving in with her.

[Joan Weiss]

Zaneida is just an other liar in the bunch, It's that easy.

She has 6 kids, not 2.You do this in every case. What's up with that?

[?noanswer]

She said she has six children. Did you watch it?

She also said on another show that the 2 names she listed on the rental application were the nic names of the children. Said everyone knows her children by their nic names. JMO

[anyonesguess]

It makes no difference, if someone asks her :"how many kids do you have", and she says: "two".

That's a lie.

She has SIX kids!!!!!!!


She might not have legal custody of 6. Do you know her personally to know the answer to this? Your judgement is very harsh imo, and not necessary. So now you have called her a liar 2 times. We have all seen it, so you don't need to continue to call her that. We heard you the first time imo.

[barskin&co.]

This post is exactly why she will win her case.


''just another liar in the bunch".


That post and this one:

10-01-2008, 04:38 PM
CiaoBella
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Missouri
Posts: 325


Oh please, now we have to pay to change her name, are you serious? Like she is the only Zenaida Gonzalas in florida or the world, if anyone in this story its trash, its her, and I want her to be honest on how she knows Casey, because she probably does. moo

[poplife]

casey hd amy's resumes b/c she was supposed to be networking for her at universal finding a job.

page 23 per amy
i don't have the page for the reply from casey right now.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/Textocso3.pdf

[ruth66]

I think I'm misunderstanding your reply. What video are you talkiing about? I didn't say anything about a video. I meant if casey came clean & fessed up about Caylee. :shrug:

sorry if my comment confused you. I wrote: (to which there is not that we know of). Baez sees this as his chance to be recognized as a "high profile" lawyer and sees $$$$$$ in the end.

I was being sarcastic. There is no video, my point was that Baez will never, never let this not go to court and allow him to show his skills and prove that he is a "high profile attorney" worth every penny he charges........:)

[EGirl]

It makes no difference, if someone asks her :"how many kids do you have", and she says: "two".

That's a lie.

She has SIX kids!!!!!!!

I would like a link to THAT exact question and response. I would also like verification of whether or not some of the children could be 'step' children.

[martha]

I think the reason she said 2 was that is what she has living with her and on the apt appl you have to put how many will be living in the apt. If she only had 2 living with her then she would not have to put down 6. The apt could not have been big enough for 6 and if they or living with their dad there was no reason for her to put them down. she only needed to put what she had living with her. that was what would be living with her in the apt. jmho:rose:

[anyonesguess]

She doesn't.

Zenaida put the two children's names on the card because those are the only children who would be living with her.

It's very simple. To some. :)


ITA. :beer:

[nc1948]

That's the ONLY deal I think Prosecution would accept at this point with Casey being so UNcooperative.

Look at the Green River Killer. He got a deal to spare his life if he showed where the other bodies were etc to give families closure and proper burial etc.

If ti comes down to it. I think Casey would take a deal to save her life. She is that self absorbed. IMO

I think prosecutiion might offer the deal but I do not think Casey would ever take the deal. She thinks that she is smarter than all of LE. She is definitely not worrying about any of this. She does not think she will ever be convicted-she misplaced her child over 100 days ago and no one has found her yet.

[Rayosunshine]

Actually, the owners of Fusian said on the Nancy Grace show that Casey never worked there.

I don't think she actually "worked" there, as in getting paid, but I think she helped out because Tony was the DJ. In Jamie's interview I don't think she actually said Casey was a manager, but she did say something along the lines that Casey was looking out for the shot girls.

[martha]

I would like a link to THAT exact question and response. I would also like verification of whether or not some of the children could be 'step' children.
You or so right it may be some of them or her step children. ng should have ask her why she put down just 2 on the appc for the apt. jmho:rose:

[msgatorslayer]

I didn't realize till SEEING ZG's attorney tonight that he is...

"Morgan, Collin, and Gilbert - For the people"

"Morgan & Morgan"

I see his commericals on TV everyday.

Long standing and very well known law practice. IMO

[Joan Weiss]

It makes no difference, if someone asks her :"how many kids do you have", and she says: "two".

That's a lie.

She has SIX kids!!!!!!!She didn't say she had two. Her visit card probably asked how many would be living in the apt. That's not a lie.

[tulpje]

So he lies. He and Casey make a good match, don't you think?


It's a match made in heaven.

:)

[OneUp]

I must have missed the part where she said she had 6, I only heard her say that she was shopping with her two daughters when the cops first called her. But my question is........how did the cops find out that she had children (two or however they worded it when they asked her) when Casey had told them ZG had no children? I was just wondering I guess at what point the cops started checking things out about ZG against what Casey was telling them. And I would be curious to find out how the cops knew to ask her about her children and when they found out she had children they told her that they needed to talk to her. ThanksIIRC, she listed two childern by name on her information/contact card at Sawgrass when she looked at an apartment there.
JMO.

[nc1948]

I to think the a;s need to be billed for all the cost that le is having to put out on this case. no one needs to be watching the a;s house. casey is not going anywhere she has no money. well unless people have given a lot of money to them. I have not heard how much money has been given to them. or how much is in the fund to find caylee. jmho:rose:


Trust fund balance and Lee paypal account balances are listed on the helpfindcaylee web site. Also asking for more donations, just send them to the Hopesprings address. Of course that is to suppliment donations George gets at grocery store. This family is shameless.

[martha]

I think prosecutiion might offer the deal but I do not think Casey would ever take the deal. She thinks that she is smarter than all of LE. She is definitely not worrying about any of this. She does not think she will ever be convicted-she misplaced her child over 100 days ago and no one has found her yet.ITA with you casey thinks as long as they can;t find a body she is home free. jmho:rose:

[EGirl]

You or so right it may be some of them or her step children. ng should have ask her why she put down just 2 on the appc for the apt. jmho:rose:

She put 2 because 2 would be living there.

My sis moved recently and on her app she listed 2 kids.... because kid #3 is 23 and lives on her own.

[Pruddennce]

Zenaida is aware of the above.

Hence the fact she's not suing the employer.

Zenaida is suing Casey. And rightfully so.

Casey is the person who has made a victim of Zenaida. Among many others.

IMO ZG is nothing but a distraction. she is irrelevant at this point.

everyone has a story...people have LIVES and their lives suddenly become a diversion and IMPORTANT to pick apart simply because they crossed paths with a psychopath.....

there is only ONE IMPORTANT story here that needs an ending.

everybody's dirty laundry, pot smoking nites, jumping in the sack with who knows who, looking at an apartment, all of those 'other' individuals activities are irrelevant unless Casey Anthony was a participant. dates, times and the disposition of her daughter with regard to those dates, times.

For example, ZG has been eliminated from this case. She did not know Casey A, did not know Caylee, was not "THE" babysitter. no connection, from her standpoint, but from a psychopath's mind.....she made a connection......

which is what LE was trying to hammer home with the Anthonys.....WHERE was caylee on specific dates when they knew casey was out and about overnite somewhere before the weekend of the 15th...

and that is where they kind of faltered....Cindy can recite Casey's life's outings, but she cant recall the car chase on such and such a date.

incredulous.

best regards,
Pru

[WillowInFlight]

You or so right it may be some of them or her step children. ng should have ask her why she put down just 2 on the appc for the apt. jmho:rose:

She probably didn't ask because it's not a big deal.

[martha]

Trust fund balance and Lee paypal account balances are listed on the helpfindcaylee web site. Also asking for more donations, just send them to the Hopesprings address. Of course that is to suppliment donations George gets at grocery store. This family is shameless. ITA with you no telling how much money they or getting in cash from people every where they go. most people will give him cash I wish everyone would give to tim and not the a;s. jmho:rose:

[OneUp]

I understand what you are saying and it's possible we are both correct in many aspects of this. It's hard to explain things that you just know from experience and I wouldn't call it intuition but you just know .

I still think you are a class act and I very much appreciate and admire you and your posts.
You are a great egg. :seeya:I'm glad I managed to get a point into those zillion rambling letters!
I think you're a good egg too...an Easter egg. Pretty on the outside and filling and good for you on the inside! LOL.:D
JMO.
:seeya:

[barskin&co.]

She put 2 because 2 would be living there.

My sis moved recently and on her app she listed 2 kids.... because kid #3 is 23 and lives on her own.

Of course. Apartment applications aren't asking for your life story. It is only for the facts which relate to your renting an apartment.

[Joan Weiss]

O/T ... For those of you having board trouble...

It was terrible while using Internet Exploder. I'm having very little trouble with this board on Mozilla Firefox. Just a suggestion. :seeya:I have firefox. I've been having problems since last Saturday.

[Acorn]

She doesn't.

Zenaida put the two children's names on the card because those are the only children who would be living with her.

It's very simple. To some. :)

Simpler than chalk and clay snowing down on Mars.

Didn't she have an older son and her boyfriend with her at the office? I think I remember something about that.

[Joan Weiss]

I don't think she actually "worked" there, as in getting paid, but I think she helped out because Tony was the DJ. In Jamie's interview I don't think she actually said Casey was a manager, but she did say something along the lines that Casey was looking out for the shot girls.Tony said HE put her in charge of the shot girls. imo

[WillowInFlight]

How can they hate ZFG? She hasn't done anything!!! :shrug:

No she hasn't, I thought she came across very well tonight.

[Mamie]

Mamie, this not directed at you but I do not get why some on this board want so badly to paint ZG in the worst light possible. It seems that it is accepted that Casey is a liar but anyone else that tries to protect themselves from the false accusations that are put out by Casey are scrutinized more harsely than even anyone in this case that we have proof is lying. I just don't see how this is right or justified. I know (speaking for myself) if I was accused of something as terrible as this, I would do whatever it takes to clear my name (including hiring a lawyer who advises me to file a suit). From what Mr. Morgan stated in his 1st interview, the main reason to file the suit was to force depositions to be taken and evidence to be released that would clear ZG's name. If the case against Casey doesn't get tried for years, what is ZG expected to do until then?
How many children she has living with her and how many she listed on her visitor card is of no relevance to the fact that Casey singled her out. Again, not directed at you, just getting peeved at the judgement of this poor woman....:)

Thanks ruth for clarifying that because I do not hold anything against Zenaida because she has done nothing wrong, that I know of. Can't for a second say the same about Casey. I also applaud her for suing Casey and hope she wins big time.

[tulpje]

Closer to hell. In my opinion. :)



That's an other way to look at it.........;)

[barskin&co.]

Tony said HE put her in charge of the shot girls. imo

Aha! He probably thought that with her expertise as an "event planner," she'd be great at it. :D

[ruth66]

Are you saying you think she was hurt on the job? And what would Casey have to do with that, unless of course she was Zenaida's employer.


Are you for real? This is just unbelievable....

I am gonna sign off now before I can't see straight anymore....

Nite All :seeya:

[shelbar53]

Evening all, I have a question. In the first paragraph of the attached link it states: "Dectective Beasley advised these items belonged to the SUSPECT of the investigation". doesnt that mean she was considered a suspect on July 17th?

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf

[Acorn]

How can they hate ZFG? She hasn't done anything!!! :shrug:

I have two spare rooms in my house and I'd gladly take her and her children in if they weren't so far away!

I'm so interested to know the real deal of how Casey got Zenaida's info.

Zenaida said she lost her ID a few months before Casey wrongfully pegged her as the person who took Caylee.

[Joan Weiss]

The attorney handles alot of workers comp cases, I think something else is involved hereIt's job-related. She got fired because of the media dogging her at work. imo

I don't think the client directs the attorney on whom to sue. The attorney advises the client, and determines who caused the injured party's grief. She probably went there originally to get her job back, and he determined whom should be sued. People don't know those things, that's why they retain attorneys; to find their legal stance. imo

[Pruddennce]

How can they hate ZFG? She hasn't done anything!!! :shrug:

from my standpoint, I dislike people who dont handle their personal business privately.

she stayed grayed out until she got an attorney.

she distracts from the case by advertising her defamation (because its waning with the grayed out picture of herself)...

she appeared once incognito, that should have been enough, LE has no interest in her other than as someone who will point and say:

yes, I filled out this card on such and such a date.
yes, I was driving this vehicle
no, I dont babysit
no, I dont know them

and LE will reaffirm that: no connection.

for me she's just an annoyance.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Amy]

IMO ZG is nothing but a distraction. she is irrelevant at this point.

everyone has a story...people have LIVES and their lives suddenly become a diversion and IMPORTANT to pick apart simply because they crossed paths with a psychopath.....

there is only ONE IMPORTANT story here that needs an ending.

everybody's dirty laundry, pot smoking nites, jumping in the sack with who knows who, looking at an apartment, all of those 'other' individuals activities are irrelevant unless Casey Anthony was a participant. dates, times and the disposition of her daughter with regard to those dates, times.

For example, ZG has been eliminated from this case. She did not know Casey A, did not know Caylee, was not "THE" babysitter. no connection, from her standpoint, but from a psychopath's mind.....she made a connection......

which is what LE was trying to hammer home with the Anthonys.....WHERE was caylee on specific dates when they knew casey was out and about overnite somewhere before the weekend of the 15th...

and that is where they kind of faltered....Cindy can recite Casey's life's outings, but she cant recall the car chase on such and such a date.

incredulous.

best regards,
Pru

I'm betting there are few to none people who believe that Casey's Zanny the Nanny is a real live person. THIS Zenaida Gonzalez was NOT identified by Casey as HER Zanny the Nanny. Casey did not recognize the pic of this Zenaida. It seems this Zenaida isn't a nanny. She doesn't fit the pic of Casey's Zanny the Nanny, so it makes no sense that she would be harrassed and disrupted.

I guess it must be the few to none that are sending the hate mails and threats?

[Joan Weiss]

Closer to hell. In my opinion. :)Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzing! :biggrin:

[WillowInFlight]

Can't wait to tell S/O I'm an Easter Egg and why. lol
Which by the way the pictures of Caylee during Easter just tear my heart up.How could Casey kill her own daughter and how could she just act like nothing ever happened afterward?

If it was some accident I could see MAYBE panic and cover up but this freak didn't give 2 snitz about Caylee or what she did or what happened.

COLD HEARTLESS words I cannot say on here.
I would really like to think it was an accident, then I remember how she partied it up, celebrating her freedom.

[Amy]

The attorney handles alot of workers comp cases, I think something else is involved here

Workers Comp deals with injury on the job.

Maybe they also do other work-labor related cases?

[tulpje]

You do this in every case. What's up with that?





May I ask what you are talking about?

[Joan Weiss]

I would liek to apologize for my post that started the ZFG haters to come out in full force. I should have been more clear abou what i meant.

I'll learn. The hard way obviously.No, this has nothing to do with your post. This is a constant event for some posters. They only see what's in front of their noses. Kind of like reading "See Jane run."

You are a great poster, imo.

[Pruddennce]

I'm betting there are few to none people who believe that Casey's Zanny the Nanny is a real live person. THIS Zenaida Gonzalez was NOT identified by Casey as HER Zanny the Nanny. Casey did not recognize the pic of this Zenaida. It seems this Zenaida isn't a nanny. She doesn't fit the pic of Casey's Zanny the Nanny, so it makes no sense that she would be harrassed and disrupted.

I guess it must be the few to none that are sending the hate mails and threats?

thats what I didnt understand, the hate stuff, but at this point, as I have given her posts on a thread or two, I think Im done with her. I tend to be suspicious of people who purposely add drama to a tragedy.

call me guilty of 'going there' as well regarding her persona. I think I have exceeded my limit of post time for ZG....lol

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[nc1948]

is anybody else having a problem with the board????

Yes I am, very slow refreshing, also my post button is gone, can only quote. Also when I scroll it is really wierd. I thought it was my provider but now think it might be this board.

In ref to witness list. I am only interested in the examination and cross of Cindy. I hope prosecution has had his/her zannax before they begin. It will be totally mindboggling.

[Pruddennce]

For you she may be just an annoyance, Pru. For others she is more. She has received anonymous phone calls threatening the lives of herself and her children.

well she did come out of the shadows all of her own accord.

best regards,
Pru

[Joan Weiss]

Oh..would there be another reason for her to hire a Workers Comp. attorney, as the other poster suggested?We don't need to investigate ZFG. The Suspect in this case is Caylee Anthony.

[WillowInFlight]

When there is an accident people show SOME TYPE of remorse. Casey NEVER has.

She murdered that poor baby and she deserves to have justice served on her for what she did. To the fullest extent possible.
Well you know Cindy did say that Casey would be willing to spend the rest of her life in prison if it meant keeping Caylee safe. I am hoping with a glimmer of hope that Casey will do the right thing when she realizes her life is over, I don't think it has hit her yet. I think she is still walking around with her nose up in the air thinking they can't touch her.

[Pruddennce]

We don't need to investigate ZFG. The Suspect in this case is Caylee Anthony.

thank you for being direct Joan.

best regards,
Pru

[WillowInFlight]

Yes I am, very slow refreshing, also my post button is gone, can only quote. Also when I scroll it is really wierd. I thought it was my provider but now think it might be this board.

In ref to witness list. I am only interested in the examination and cross of Cindy. I hope prosecution has had his/her zannax before they begin. It will be totally mindboggling.

I think it's those dang banners.

[Pruddennce]

Well you know Cindy did say that Casey would be willing to spend the rest of her life in prison if it meant keeping Caylee safe. I am hoping with a glimmer of hope that Casey will do the right thing when she realizes her life is over, I don't think it has hit her yet. I think she is still walking around with her nose up in the air thinking they can't touch her.


wow, you just reminded me of all of that jazz: caylee is in danger, caylee is safe, Casey is doing all of this as protection...

sheesh....thats long gone now....

what IS the current story, anyone know?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Joan Weiss]

Well you know Cindy did say that Casey would be willing to spend the rest of her life in prison if it meant keeping Caylee safe. I am hoping with a glimmer of hope that Casey will do the right thing when she realizes her life is over, I don't think it has hit her yet. I think she is still walking around with her nose up in the air thinking they can't touch her.Maybe she will come to realize that she can't lie her way out of this one. :shrug:

[tulpje]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joan Weiss
You do this in every case. What's up with that?


May I ask what you are talking about?


Bump

[msgatorslayer]

wow, you just reminded me of all of that jazz: caylee is in danger, caylee is safe, Casey is doing all of this as protection...

sheesh....thats long gone now....

what IS the current story, anyone know?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Since the Anthony's stopped talking on camera we haven't heard a recent story, lol.

I guess, she's still safe, they know who has her, and she's in PR.

[Joan Weiss]

wow, you just reminded me of all of that jazz: caylee is in danger, caylee is safe, Casey is doing all of this as protection...

sheesh....thats long gone now....

what IS the current story, anyone know?

IMO

best regards,
PruUmmm..the last one I heard was that Casey met ZG and her sister Sam in the park, and they took Caylee and gave Casey a script. :confused:

I think Cindy is trying to float the story that Caylee has been taken to PR.

[nana6]

Methinks someone's back with a new name. ;)

I don't think Zaneida will have any problem at all showing she has been defamed and harmed (not physically) by Casey. jmho

I agree looks like someone is back again

[nc1948]

Not enough :biggrin:

:rose:Caylee, not forgotten by some

There are 265 right now on the Caylee board here. That is just this board. There are lots of people that have not forgotten Caylee. Too bad her family has.

[beckyj]

Ummm..the last one I heard was that Casey met ZG and her sister Sam in the park, and they took Caylee and gave Casey a script. :confused:

I think Cindy is trying to float the story that Caylee has been taken to PR.
That reminds me, I don't think NG asked ZG if she had a sister named Sam. :eek:

[Joan Weiss]

There are 265 right now on the Caylee board here. That is just this board. There are lots of people that have not forgotten Caylee. Too bad her family has.yes, and their public spokesman, and their attorneys. imo

[tulpje]

That reminds me, I don't think NG asked ZG if she had a sister named Sam. :eek:


Yes she did and ZG said: NO.

[bluwaters]

We don't need to investigate ZFG. The Suspect in this case is Caylee Anthony.
*psssst* Casey is the suspect

[Ionmhainn]

Both sentences... correct. :)


Well that's exactly the point in my opinion. ZG was interviewed and cleared. Casey Anthony did not identify HER photograph... different car, 6 kids instead of none, etc. ZG was ruled out by LE at the beginning. That's been known for several weeks now. As another poster said, she has brought herself to the forefront again. imo

[beckyj]

Yes she did and ZG said: NO.
Thanks, I missed that.

[Pruddennce]

Take your off topic to PMs. TIA. :)

Pruddennce... I believe we should be hearing the newest story any day now.

Maybe right before the murder charge is filed.

thanks to all, wasnt sure if I missed an 'update'.

I think you may be right LS.

will be interesting how that story is woven...will it be a compilation of all 'stories', intricately intertwined, or brand new, hot off the press.

what remains sad: caylee's remains are not found (sorry, but I am of the belief from day one she was murdered).

best regards,
Pru

[tulpje]

Thanks, I missed that.



You are welcome

[beckyj]

Well that's exactly the point in my opinion. ZG was interviewed and cleared. Casey Anthony did not identify HER photograph... different car, 6 kids instead of none, etc. ZG was ruled out by LE at the beginning. That's been known for several weeks now. As another poster said, she has brought herself to the forefront again. imo

I'm kind of on the fence on this one. I am glad she is suing her because if there is any money that comes to her from this such as movie or book rights, I want every red cent going ANYWHERE but in the Anthonys pockets. But I agree ZG might have been looking for a deep pocket. But on the other hand, if it were me I would sue too. Someone has to take a stand that you can't go around saying things like that about people. In addition, I think she just didn't identify her because that would make the investigation stop. The answer would be found. This way she can keep on going with the story for a little longer. Completing self-serving - in Casey Anthony fashion. JMO of course.

[OneUp]

Take your off topic to PMs. TIA. :)

Pruddennce... I believe we should be hearing the newest story any day now.

Maybe right before the murder charge is filed.I agree, I think Casey and Baez are saving her newest and most improved tall tale for the trial. The only updated versons we are liable to hear are the ones spun by Cindy who has been blessedly silent lately. I wish she had learned the power of not speaking earlier on...people might empathize with erh more and see her as less of a sad joke.
* Silence is Golden*
I think NeJame must be doing some good things behind the scene. Good for him! I hated seeing Caylee's tragedy turned into a three ring circus!
JMO.

[beckyj]

Hey House,

You're right - she hasn't done anything. She actually looked nice this evening. I think some of us (including me) had an issue with her the other day when she presented hereself to media covered in tat's and wearing a halter top with some kind of tank. She looked fresh off the street.

Yah, I know - I shouldn't judge folks by their cover - but I did :(

Best,

Her lawyer dressed her nice tonight! :D But seriously, she's done nothing wrong.

[nana6]

Hi All, Have you gone to post #540 yet? It was put up for us by poplife and is very interesting. Alot of text messages and cell phone records to go over.. Just thought you might like to see it.:)

[tulpje]

We don't need to investigate ZFG. The Suspect in this case is Caylee Anthony.



WOW
I thought she was the one missing.

:confused:

[beckyj]

I think the nany accident was Cindy's idea. She told the story is such a detail I almost "believed" she was "there at the ER". Cindy thought if she could paint a picture of a fake nany "bleeding" WE DUMBIES would believe her.

I noticed tonight when listening to the 911 tape where Cindy calls back and says Caylee is missing, that they really did believe this Zanny was a real person. I just caught this time around that at the end George walks in and she says, "George, Caylee's missing." She then goes on to say that Casey says Zanny took her. Not the nanny, but Zanny.

Other people probably caught that before, but I just caught it. (slow I know)

[Joan Weiss]

*psssst* Casey is the suspect
Oh, sorry. Of course. Actually, I think you know what I meant.

[nana6]

I also want to say that tonight when we heard on NG a recording of Cindy's voice telling George when he walked in the door that Caylee is missing she sounded terrible-really frightened. I think that part of her was very real. After that, no

[WillowInFlight]

Hey House,

You're right - she hasn't done anything. She actually looked nice this evening. I think some of us (including me) had an issue with her the other day when she presented hereself to media covered in tat's and wearing a halter top with some kind of tank. She looked fresh off the street.

Yah, I know - I shouldn't judge folks by their cover - but I did :(

Best,

I think it was posted that the media sought her out it wasn't like a scheduled interview so I can't really find fault for the way she looked, though I will say she sure cleans up nice.

[nana6]

WOW
I thought she was the one missing.

:confused:

You must be kidding? I think you knew what Joan meant!! It's not hard to be kind

[nana6]

On this thread? I have went over all the cell records that i can find. Do the ones posted by that poster have more calls on the 15th and 16th of June?

that will tell a lot.

Not sure. go back to tonights post #540

[Joan Weiss]

I'm kind of on the fence on this one. I am glad she is suing her because if there is any money that comes to her from this such as movie or book rights, I want every red cent going ANYWHERE but in the Anthonys pockets. But I agree ZG might have been looking for a deep pocket. But on the other hand, if it were me I would sue too. Someone has to take a stand that you can't go around saying things like that about people. In addition, I think she just didn't identify her because that would make the investigation stop. The answer would be found. This way she can keep on going with the story for a little longer. Completing self-serving - in Casey Anthony fashion. JMO of course.That's a very good point, beckyj. Drag out the search, while Casey visits her attorney, plays on the net, and eats mom's good home cooking. I wouldn't be surprised if she is fishing for "boys" on the net, either. Fantasyland. Anyone she wants to be. I wonder if her computer is bugged? Can they do that? imo

[bluwaters]

bluwaters. You are a good person but I think you and others knew it was a typo. She meant Casey not Caylee. Lets just let the typo go.
Sorry if my post offended. I thought I was making a joke about the typo by prefacing with *pssst*. It wasn't meant to came across as snarky. The C names have been easy to mix up and I have done it plenty of times myself. Moving along...:seeya:

[Joan Weiss]

Gee, my first serious typo. Enough off-topic. I had surgery Friday, guess I'll go to bed. 'nytall. :seeya:

[msgatorslayer]

That makes sense to me.

I was thinking like you, Mr.Lucky, that Morgan is car accident/workmans comp. Cause thats what all his ads are for. But since it's a huge, well known, practice, I figured they have all kinds of attorneys. So I searched a bit. Even learned how Morgan, Colling, and Gilbert turned into Morgan & Morgan, lol.

The 2nd lawyer on the actual lawsuit paper, under Morgan, is Keith Mitnik. He does specialize in defamation/civil rights.

http://www.forthepeople.com/keith_r_mitnik.htm

[nana6]

getting late nite all see ya'll tomorrow :rose: for Caylee

[SavannahStar]

I was thinking like you, Mr.Lucky, that Morgan is car accident/workmans comp. Cause thats what all his ads are for. But since it's a huge, well known, practice, I figured they have all kinds of attorneys. So I searched a bit. Even learned how Morgan, Colling, and Gilbert turned into Morgan & Morgan, lol.

The 2nd lawyer on the actual lawsuit paper, under Morgan, is Keith Mitnik. He does specialize in defamation/civil rights.

http://www.forthepeople.com/keith_r_mitnik.htm

I missed all the conversation about Morgan on here, but I do know when I saw a shot of him on the Today show the other morning, I was like :eek:....OMG that's the guy I see on the TV lawyer commercials all the time. :lol:

[VII]

Well that's exactly the point in my opinion. ZG was interviewed and cleared. Casey Anthony did not identify HER photograph... different car, 6 kids instead of none, etc. ZG was ruled out by LE at the beginning. That's been known for several weeks now. As another poster said, she has brought herself to the forefront again. imo

:beer:
and did'ja notice, by chance, a couple of the items of complaint to be included in the suit?

bleeding ulcers


uterin tumors (sp )

[charm7]

You must be kidding? I think you knew what Joan meant!! It's not hard to be kind


I lurked all evening but can't help but post now. I have always suspected that the one you just quoted was BG. Same MO. from some other cases eg Entwistle.

Nighters , thanks to all your posts I keep in the loop :seeya:

[beckyj]

I was thinking like you, Mr.Lucky, that Morgan is car accident/workmans comp. Cause thats what all his ads are for. But since it's a huge, well known, practice, I figured they have all kinds of attorneys. So I searched a bit. Even learned how Morgan, Colling, and Gilbert turned into Morgan & Morgan, lol.

The 2nd lawyer on the actual lawsuit paper, under Morgan, is Keith Mitnik. He does specialize in defamation/civil rights.

http://www.forthepeople.com/keith_r_mitnik.htm
I'm an insurance adjuster. I had a Kentucky insured involved in an accident in Florida and his firm was on it. I remembered it because I believe he also then represented someone on the Anna Nicole Smith case. Must be a big firm with several specialties.

[WillowInFlight]

I think it's possible that in the middle of the knock down drag out fight between Casey and Cindy the night of the 15th Cindy told Casey that she was going to see an attorney first thing tomorrow about taking custody of Caylee. Casey then killed Caylee to prevent Cindy from taking her. Her days of $$$ support from the family were over, anyway.

MOO

That may very well be what happened. All we know now is that Caylee doesn't seem to important to any of them right now.

[msgatorslayer]

I'm an insurance adjuster. I had a Kentucky insured involved in an accident in Florida and his firm was on it. I remembered it because I believe he also then represented someone on the Anna Nicole Smith case. Must be a big firm with several specialties.

It's the biggest firm in the State and they've even moved into Georgia. They have offices in ever major City of Florida.

Savannah, your a couple of days ahead of me. It only 'clicked' for me during the 10pm repeat on NG when I finally saw him, lmao.

[dreamtime]

[QUOTE=Pruddennce;12218170]Casey said she had no children.

ZG, the one on TV tonite said she had six children. and perhaps all of them dont live with her.
===========================
ZG; When I looked at her MySpace page, she has six kids, but four are adults. She has grandchildren. She had family pictures posted.
Then, after her MySpace page was set to private, she had an
angry message posted.
I think this whole dragging her name through the mud got to her.

[barskin&co.]

Nite Nana - it's late here too -- and I'm determined to take more time for myself and get more sleep. I saw my therapist today and she told me to "step away from the computer Melanie" as this is making me depressed.

Hugs to all..

Thanks, Mel! I think I need your therapist's advice, and, because of you I can get it for free. Nite! :seeya:

[dvsone]

np, http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/09/casey-anthony-t.html

just reposting the link... #540

[OneUp]

I think casey was thinking about her freedom and ways to have it before the huge fight that they refuse to discuss. I do think that once Casey realized she would have to be responsible in EVERY WAY for Caylee and have no financial help or live in sitter from Cindy she just decided to go through with her thoughts. Now Caylee is dead and Casey should rot (several other words and things I'd like to say but would get me banned)

BTW are we allowed to Cuss as long as we use asteriks? I saw several times a certain poster did this and they are still here. If we are allowed to do that then I'm going to start. lolIDK about the curseword issue...I try to stick with euphemisms myself as I am not a Huge curser anyway ( I do admit I have my moments though!). I have used curse words with asteriks if I quote something relevant from a person who used a curseword in their original quote...esp. if I think it is relevant to the point.
One example would be things said by A. Rusciano in the IM's with Casey. I can't make a point about how crude and just "wrong" he seems w/o quoting his reference to "the nanny" as that "other b***h"...If I say he called her something rude that can be interpreted to many extremes. I personally loathe that terms general usage by younger folks, but how else can I get that comment portrayed acccurately?
I'd avoid cursing in general in the name of survival and to avoid offending the gentler amongst us.
JMO.

[Ionmhainn]

I'm kind of on the fence on this one. I am glad she is suing her because if there is any money that comes to her from this such as movie or book rights, I want every red cent going ANYWHERE but in the Anthonys pockets. But I agree ZG might have been looking for a deep pocket. But on the other hand, if it were me I would sue too. Someone has to take a stand that you can't go around saying things like that about people. In addition, I think she just didn't identify her because that would make the investigation stop. The answer would be found. This way she can keep on going with the story for a little longer. Completing self-serving - in Casey Anthony fashion. JMO of course.

Sorry for the delay....phone call!
Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely nothing against this woman, but I think "damages" might be being over played here. I THINK I heard her lawyer start to say she was "charged", but it got lost in NG's habitual interruptions! Hopefully there will be a transcript...
If he is given to hyperbole, I don't think that would be in her favor. At the moment, she is generally viewed as a "victim of circumstances," but this suit could change that perception to that of opportunist, which would be unfortunate, imo.

[bluwaters]

Can someone tell me what the difference is between 'person of interest' and 'suspect'?
Baez says there isn't a difference.
Yuri on the stand said that Casey was a POI and not a suspect at that point.

Suspect certainly sounds more serious.
I always thought that a person of interest was a possible witness or someone with important information to a case. I know that LE will say that someone is a POI in order to encourage them to come forward with what they know.

Is there a legal difference though?
Just curious.

TIA

[OneUp]

I think it is just a few of the typical insomniacs on the board now...I wanted to ask someone, really anyone, have you delved into the financial records? I tried, but really I don't have the financial background to be thorough.
I did notice /hear of some changes being made on the find caylle website...curiously, I guess the new lawyer representing the fund is not one of the changes. When i was there earlier, the contact info. was still for Bichler (sp?).
I just haven't seen many opinions on the subject the past two days. I think with this case being so public, it is VERY important that everything be scrutinized and everything be held to high standards. If anything questionable goes on i worry that it will impact public perceptions of such funds and negatively impact future cases and the support made available to families.
This Clan just makes themselves so unlikeable that anything they do wrong will be amplified and have great reprecussions in the future, IMO.
....more of that "Ripple effect" we have specifically seen in the actions of Casey herself!

[Amy]

PRU, I do believe you're right -- ZFG is a distration at a very important time. Now that's not to say she's not an important piece of the puzzle, but does LE need to deal with this right now. Along with the protestors, and the A's -- I wish they would all stay off TV until court starts. Just tell them to go back into their holes until spring -- which is probably when it will start -- or better yet -- Groundhog day.

It would sure give us some peace and quiet.

Best,


IMO, ZFG is NOT any piece of the puzzle. This one---Wrong physical appearance (Casey did not recognize her pic,) wrong # of kids, wrong profession. IMO, ZFG has always been a figment of Casey's imagination. Because NO ONE in her real life seems to have ever set eyes on Zanny, or claim to have talked to Zanny. In a year and a half of Zanny being the nanny, I can't believe that CIndy, or George or ANY of the friends would not have come across Zanny, rather than just hearing her name from Casey.

[OneUp]

I had really hoped for some input in regards to my last post, but I'll have to read them in the morning as I can barely keep my eyes open!
I need to clean up my PM's and then I'd better get to bed before the ongoing middle of the night Party at my house!
I'm sorry to ask a question and run! When you can't remember what you just said w/o reading it...it's time for bed!
JMO.

[Amy]

:beer:
and did'ja notice, by chance, a couple of the items of complaint to be included in the suit?

bleeding ulcers


uterin tumors (sp )



Bleeding ulcers I can see, but uterine tumors? GMAB!!!! That's like a defendant on Judge Judy was on disability for endometriosis!!! :shrug:

[nc1948]

Good night all. Have had enough of the Zenaida discussion. Will come back tomorrow and maybe we will discuss more of Caylee.

Have a great night all.

[Rayosunshine]

Are you saying you think she was hurt on the job? And what would Casey have to do with that, unless of course she was Zenaida's employer.

Last I heard was she was in the hospital over the weekend due to a stomach ulcer.

[Rayosunshine]

I have two spare rooms in my house and I'd gladly take her and her children in if they weren't so far away!

I'm so interested to know the real deal of how Casey got Zenaida's info.

Zenaida said she lost her ID a few months before Casey wrongfully pegged her as the person who took Caylee.

Lost her ID? I think last night I posted something about the possibility that someone else was posing as Zenaida, could be an illegal alien?

With the ID loss, and her pic not being identified by Casey, I don't think she stands a chance with a law suit. Wouldn't that throw a wrench into the mix?

[Amy]

Yes, TREE TREE. I really think this was a big part of it. This and the call of the "beautiful life." I wonder if Cindy not answering the phone on the 16th was a confirmation to Casey that it was all over for her. I don't know if Cindy actually tried to strangle Casey on the 15th or not, but I think Casey is the one who told Lee (saying it had never happened before and had really scared her) and then played it for all it was worth to him to excuse her refusal to take Caylee home.

Was Cindy @ work @ the time of the calls? And were they all to her cell phone, none to her work phone? Where I work (hospital) having your cell phone on is a big no-no.

[Rayosunshine]

from my standpoint, I dislike people who dont handle their personal business privately.

she stayed grayed out until she got an attorney.

she distracts from the case by advertising her defamation (because its waning with the grayed out picture of herself)...

she appeared once incognito, that should have been enough, LE has no interest in her other than as someone who will point and say:

yes, I filled out this card on such and such a date.
yes, I was driving this vehicle
no, I dont babysit
no, I dont know them

and LE will reaffirm that: no connection.

for me she's just an annoyance.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Agreed. Well said. And, I might add, she is looking to cash in. I don't for one minute believe she is trying to "clear her name".

[Rayosunshine]

Some on this very board HATE her and LIE about her because Casey named her as th nanny. Some on this very board HATE her and LIE about her because she has tattoos.

Some have insinuated things about her on this very board because of her ethnic background.

I don't know why they hate her and lie about her. They do though and the proof is in their posts.

It's sad really.

I don't hate her, I just think she is out to make a buck.

[msgatorslayer]

Sorry for the delay....phone call!
Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely nothing against this woman, but I think "damages" might be being over played here. I THINK I heard her lawyer start to say she was "charged", but it got lost in NG's habitual interruptions! Hopefully there will be a transcript...
If he is given to hyperbole, I don't think that would be in her favor. At the moment, she is generally viewed as a "victim of circumstances," but this suit could change that perception to that of opportunist, which would be unfortunate, imo.

He did say 'charged'. I think he mis-spoke. Unless the transcriber was also confused with NG's interruption. But I thought I heard him clearly say 'charged'.

'MORGAN: Well, when I met Zenaida, she was a basket case. She was fired from her job. She has had trouble finding jobs. Just the name Zenaida Gonzalez is a red flag. And she said, you know, What can I do? And I said, Listen, you`ve been charged with kidnapping or murder. And you can do two things. You can do nothing or do something. And I said, This girl has been pushing the police, and pushing her parents, and now pushing you. And what you can do is push back. And that`s -- and that`s why we filed the defamation lawsuit.'

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/01/ng.01.html

[Rayosunshine]

Ummm..the last one I heard was that Casey met ZG and her sister Sam in the park, and they took Caylee and gave Casey a script. :confused:

I think Cindy is trying to float the story that Caylee has been taken to PR.

How much have we actually heard that we can say for a fact came from Casey and not through a second or third party?

[Oregongal]

Hi all, haven't posted for awhile. I've been :read: everyday tho.
Last night, instead of sleeping, I finally listened to the audios transcripted interviews of the major peeps...GA, JG, AH, TL, LA.
What a diff it makes hearing those written words! I had already seen Cindy A's video. I do wish they had done video's of all of them simply because I am one of those who like to see the body language as well as hearing the spoken words.
Does anyone know if LE did video everyone but just haven't released that yet? Any guesses or opinions on that?
I'm thinking that maybe they did but, haven't and won't release them until an indictment for muder/manslaughter is brought against Casey. Or until trial for this.
After listening my feeling that LE has held back a whole bunch became even stronger with me.
Lee A's 'interview' disturbed me mucho. I got the feeling that he was totally into the whole thing for all the wrong reasons. Like he was living a character in a book as an investigator, gathering info and passing it on to LE as if he was part of them (LE) and not part of the tragedy that his own flesh and blood neice was gone. The disconnect with his family was so obvious to me. The yucking it up and laughing with LE was so inappropriate and wrong IMO.
I thought GA's interview was more human and appropriate than either Lee's or Cindy's, yet I felt he was holding something back.
Ok, back to :read: and trying to catch up with you all.

[Rayosunshine]

That's a very good point, beckyj. Drag out the search, while Casey visits her attorney, plays on the net, and eats mom's good home cooking. I wouldn't be surprised if she is fishing for "boys" on the net, either. Fantasyland. Anyone she wants to be. I wonder if her computer is bugged? Can they do that? imo

I think they can tap into her system from afar.