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AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 09:57 AM
Here we go. Welcome to the juice legal bar.
Here we go. Welcome to the juice legal bar.Good morning Ann. (FYI...that's my middle name) :)
I need to get in a workout before testimony begins but I'll be back.:seeya:
warrkat
10-01-2008, 10:02 AM
Good morning Ann. (FYI...that's my middle name) :)
I need to get in a workout before testimony begins but I'll be back.:seeya:
My middle name, too, but with an E, like Anne of Green Gables.
The bridegroom is supposed to testify today, I think.
Here we go. Welcome to the juice legal bar.
1 OJ in a "can" please.
Morning all. My drink of choice this morning will have to be coffee, and maybe some toast.
So, next is Thomas Scotto and possibly detective Caldwell once again, or did they scratch Caldwell?
Not sure if Yales bringing back Caldwell or not. He did tell Caldwell to be available or something to that nature but after Grasso's flopping bore of a cross who knows. Yale stated to the Judge they only have 1 left so we'll see.
Bryson said they had 5 :confused:
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 10:16 AM
1 OJ in a "can" please.
They're working on that! ;)
Lyndawitha"Y
10-01-2008, 10:23 AM
Good Morning everybody, Just like a bad penny, I turn up along with the lint in your pocket...LOL
Anyway, I hear that Scotto is going to be the witness on the stand today, and will be speaking to his interactions with the "Flipped" fellow conspirators...Probably to do with seeking money for legal representation...If that be the case, I just wonder how the jury will look at this.. For example, these guys got into this mess because of OJ and their association with OJ and since they didnt have finances to pay for lawyers, why not ask for some help or backing to get legal advice/ representation. I really dont blame them, the old saying "But for OJ" they wouldnt be in this mess!!
Am I the only one who feels that way/
LMS:shrug:
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 10:24 AM
Well they just clarified something for me on TruTV that I didn't fully understand Monday. I wasn't sure why the judge wouldn't allow Beardsley to testify to what OJ said to him after the incident (I noticed Yale did not try to say it wasn't being asked for the truth, but to clarify Beardsley's state of mind). Yale was attempting to show OJ wasn't trying to slant Beardlsey's testimony. Beth says it was because we are now on the defense case and if the defense wants to get in statements by Simpson they have to put OJ on the stand.
Scotto will be the next witness.
Lyndawitha"Y
10-01-2008, 10:27 AM
Not sure if Yales bringing back Caldwell or not. He did tell Caldwell to be available or something to that nature but after Grasso's flopping bore of a cross who knows. Yale stated to the Judge they only have 1 left so we'll see.
Bryson said they had 5 :confused:
JBL, I think I heard that because Bryson and Co. plan on calling Caldwell, that they (Yale/Grasso) would defer to them to call him.but will still get a chace to question him..Right?...Wrong??? Also, Scotto ony OJ witness left, obviously OJ not going to testify. and not sure if Mr. Roger's has any rebuttal case????
LMS:seeya:
Good Morning everybody, Just like a bad penny, I turn up along with the lint in your pocket...LOL
Anyway, I hear that Scotto is going to be the witness on the stand today, and will be speaking to his interactions with the "Flipped" fellow conspirators...Probably to do with seeking money for legal representation...If that be the case, I just wonder how the jury will look at this.. For example, these guys got into this mess because of OJ and their association with OJ and since they didnt have finances to pay for lawyers, why not ask for some help or backing to get legal advice/ representation. I really dont blame them, the old saying "But for OJ" they wouldnt be in this mess!!
Am I the only one who feels that way/
LMS:shrug:
ITA!
I immediately took that message as I already spilled everything and told the truth but I'll sway it in your favor if you help fund a defense for me.
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 10:28 AM
Good Morning everybody, Just like a bad penny, I turn up along with the lint in your pocket...LOL
Anyway, I hear that Scotto is going to be the witness on the stand today, and will be speaking to his interactions with the "Flipped" fellow conspirators...Probably to do with seeking money for legal representation...If that be the case, I just wonder how the jury will look at this.. For example, these guys got into this mess because of OJ and their association with OJ and since they didnt have finances to pay for lawyers, why not ask for some help or backing to get legal advice/ representation. I really dont blame them, the old saying "But for OJ" they wouldnt be in this mess!!
Am I the only one who feels that way/
LMS:shrug:
I'm with you. Even if I had money for my own attorney I'd be going back on OJ to recoup my expenses if he got me into that mess. Maybe they'll all sue OJ in civil court if he skates on this!
Lyndawitha"Y
10-01-2008, 10:33 AM
I'm with you. Even if I had money for my own attorney I'd be going back on OJ to recoup my expenses if he got me into that mess. Maybe they'll all sue OJ in civil court if he skates on this!
There is one fly in the ointment tho, as why would all these grown men cop a plea and admit wrong doing, if they didnt do anything wrong...I can see a kid, getting scared or confused during interroation, but no these savy guys who have been around the block a few times!!!..Course I leave Cashmore out of that equation..IMO
The jury must have to ask themselves something along those lines dont you think?
LMS:shrug:
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 10:41 AM
There is one fly in the ointment tho, as why would all these grown men cop a plea and admit wrong doing, if they didnt do anything wrong...I can see a kid, getting scared or confused during interroation, but no these savy guys who have been around the block a few times!!!..Course I leave Cashmore out of that equation..IMO
The jury must have to ask themselves something along those lines dont you think?
LMS:shrug:
Just as Riccio conned OJ, OJ conned his co-defendants. He made them believe nobody would dare call the police, they weren't doing anything illegal, they were on solid footing because the "stuff" was OJ's. OJ told them he wanted his personal stuff back. After the fact they realized they had been duped. The guys with "OJ's stuff" didn't see it the way OJ did and called the cops. They saw themselves on hotel video on TV. They were had and the cops were going to have them dead-to-rights.
I'm with you. Even if I had money for my own attorney I'd be going back on OJ to recoup my expenses if he got me into that mess. Maybe they'll all sue OJ in civil court if he skates on this!
CJ apologized and offered to spot Cashmore and McClinton to go with his lawyer. Cashmore saw the red flags in doing that and then we hear from McClinton that the Luccerini team's defense was going to be there were NO GUNS!
Sounds like they were being offered help out of the frying pan and into the fire.
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 10:47 AM
CJ apologized and offered to spot Cashmore and McClinton to go with his lawyer. Cashmore saw the red flags in doing that and then we hear from McClinton that the Luccerini team's defense was going to be there were NO GUNS!
Sounds like they were being offered help out of the frying pan and into the fire.
CJ offered more than OJ did! I think it says something about Cashmore and McClinton's character (or maybe legal savvy) to be unwilling to go down the No Guns defense road.
Just as Riccio conned OJ, OJ conned his co-defendants. He made them believe nobody would dare call the police, they weren't doing anything illegal, they were on solid footing because the "stuff" was OJ's. OJ told them he wanted his personal stuff back. After the fact they realized they had been duped. The guys with "OJ's stuff" didn't see it the way OJ did and called the cops. They saw themselves on hotel video on TV. They were had and the cops were going to have them dead-to-rights.
I'm still on the fence and totter back and forth regarding Riccio. Riccio called OJ with what he had and offered to help get it back if he signed some books for him. Not what I call being conned.
Personally I don't think Beardsley has any pictures of family and Beardsley was pulling the con to make it more "personal". There has been no proof other then Beardsley word that these exist and he can access them. He's recently elluded to the fact that it was not Gilbert who had possession of them to begin with. Gilbert was the only one missing from that room and all along the pictures were said not to be there because Gilbert wasn't there due to a push up of the "sting operation".
Also all of OJ's talk to everyone had to do with retrieving expensive memorbilia and never about I want my personal family's pictures history my childhood growing up back. NEVER.
All the testimony from the defendants only talked about the price of the marketable collectors gameballs and such.
Lyndawitha"Y
10-01-2008, 10:50 AM
CJ apologized and offered to spot Cashmore and McClinton to go with his lawyer. Cashmore saw the red flags in doing that and then we hear from McClinton that the Luccerini team's defense was going to be there were NO GUNS!
Sounds like they were being offered help out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Leaving Cashmore out of the equation, I agree in that they also knew what side their bread was buttered on...I think just knew it would be a lose...lose situation for them..and I'm not sure, but werent they talking long before those audio tapes came into the mix...What a mess OJ and Riccio created..!!!
LMS:eek:
CJ offered more than OJ did! I think it says something about Cashmore and McClinton's character (or maybe legal savvy) to be unwilling to go down the No Guns defense road.
ITA again.
OJ conned everyone that this just a pick up of his legally owned possessions. He's going to go verify this stuff is his and he needs help carrying it out.
To Alexander and McClinton - Everything is legal but these guys may give him a hard time about removing it as the dealers may be packing and he wants back up.
The only conman in the picture is OJ and I'd even throw in Beardsley.
Lyndawitha"Y
10-01-2008, 10:55 AM
Slightly different topic..after hearing about the interviews of Gilbert and the Goldman's on Dr. Phil, I think this whole incident is going to start a Domino Effect, and OJ's hidden things are going to get exposed, along with the "Off Record" manoeuvering of Simpson assets getting investigated on a federal level..This whole thing is going to end up being a "Can of Worms"..at least that my opinion.
LMS:eek:
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 10:57 AM
I don't understand why everyone thinks the kidnapping charge is "overcharging". Enveigling the victims into a hotel room - and not letting them leave - was an important part of this crime. They couldn't have done it in the parking lot, they couldn't have done it without luring the victims to a specific spot for the purpose of robbing them. And it had to be a spot where the victims could be contained until OJ got his "stuff".
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 11:03 AM
ITA again.
OJ conned everyone that this just a pick up of his legally owned possessions. He's going to go verify this stuff is his and he needs help carrying it out.
To Alexander and McClinton - Everything is legal but these guys may give him a hard time about removing it as the dealers may be packing and he wants back up.
The only conman in the picture is OJ and I'd even throw in Beardsley.
Well, Riccio is clearly a con man! I think he should have been charged at least as an accessory - he certainly was not the victim he attempted to portray! And I'm assuming you think Beardsley's culpability was his "after the fact" flip-flop actions?
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 11:05 AM
I thought I remember reading that Scotto said to Alexsander "let me know if I can do anything for you"; and then when Alexander tried to take him up on that Scotto was outraged by the request.
Just something funny: I read in the LV Review Journal that when LE went to arrest Cashmore he answered the door buck naked! That poor guy's elevator doesn't go anywhere near the top, does it?
Did we ever understand why he had to come to court the 2nd time in prison clothes and shackles?
Cashmore or Beardsley??
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 11:08 AM
Slightly different topic..after hearing about the interviews of Gilbert and the Goldman's on Dr. Phil, I think this whole incident is going to start a Domino Effect, and OJ's hidden things are going to get exposed, along with the "Off Record" manoeuvering of Simpson assets getting investigated on a federal level..This whole thing is going to end up being a "Can of Worms"..at least that my opinion.
LMS:eek:
It's always been an "open secret". I don't trust Gilbert to do anything that isn't self-serving. OJ's sister and Arnelle have probably moved a lot of the items from where they were when Gilbert hid them. Gilbert doesn't have ALL of the items. I'd like to know who his other two partners are who own the Bronco...I'm betting Yale is one! Is there a statue of limitations involved?
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 11:12 AM
I thought I remember reading that Scotto said to Alexsander "let me know if I can do anything for you"; and then when Alexander tried to take him up on that Scotto was outraged by the request.
Just something funny: I read in the LV Review Journal that when LE went to arrest Cashmore he answered the door buck naked! That poor guy's elevator doesn't go anywhere near the top, does it?
Did we ever understand why he had to come to court the 2nd time in prison clothes and shackles?
Scotto's being put on to try to discredit the flippers. I hope somebody asks him if he and his soon-to-be wife drove a white car that day!
Slightly different topic..after hearing about the interviews of Gilbert and the Goldman's on Dr. Phil, I think this whole incident is going to start a Domino Effect, and OJ's hidden things are going to get exposed, along with the "Off Record" manoeuvering of Simpson assets getting investigated on a federal level..This whole thing is going to end up being a "Can of Worms"..at least that my opinion.
LMS:eek:
I still don't trust Gilbert but he does have that first domino flipped and opened that door to the Goldmans. I'm not sure how much he'll help once they get in the door.
Scotto's being put on to try to discredit the flippers. I hope somebody asks him if he and his soon-to-be wife drove a white car that day!
I'd expect one of my kids questions in response before he answers:
Did "anyone" see me driving a white car?
:lol:
Lyndawitha"Y
10-01-2008, 11:20 AM
It's always been an "open secret". I don't trust Gilbert to do anything that isn't self-serving. OJ's sister and Arnelle have probably moved a lot of the items from where they were when Gilbert hid them. Gilbert doesn't have ALL of the items. I'd like to know who his other two partners are who own the Bronco...I'm betting Yale is one! Is there a statue of limitations involved?
Statute of Limitations would not apply for his lack of paying the Civil Judgement, as it was renewed early this year, thus those pesky Derrogatories OJ signed, and renewed turnover orders to Gilbert and Fromong...I rather doubt that Beardsley got a turnover order..but could be wrong...but doubt it. OJ also owes a huge amt in back taxes, which dont go away with time either..As to Yale, he didnt come on boards until around 2000..so didnt have a hand in the original hidding of assets but most certainly manoeuvored money and deals since he took over the role of legal rep.
Gilbert seems to be going through a mass of guilt complex emotions, including he needs money to replace his lose of income from his past wheeling and dealing. I am only speculating here, but I think he may be facing his demons now, as maybe has some sort of health issues, and losses of family relationships due to his associations...I could be wrong there, but just get that sense:shrug:
LMS
I am leary of anyone who would claim being the BFF of OJ.
They met when OJ moved down to Florida evading court orders and hiding his finances. I mean come on now.
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 11:27 AM
OOPS brain burp - Beardlsey - sorry about that. I'm rushing out - have to go deliver an RV to Menphis today - will be gone all day. Please don't let OJ get on that stand without me! Don't think he will, but ya never know.......LOL
Fill it full of gas before you leave!
Okay....I got my workout done and had breakfast (a heart healthy bowl of oatmeal with milk for strong bones). :)
I'm ready to get this show on the road.
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 11:39 AM
Statute of Limitations would not apply for his lack of paying the Civil Judgement, as it was renewed early this year, thus those pesky Derrogatories OJ signed, and renewed turnover orders to Gilbert and Fromong...I rather doubt that Beardsley got a turnover order..but could be wrong...but doubt it. OJ also owes a huge amt in back taxes, which dont go away with time either..As to Yale, he didnt come on boards until around 2000..so didnt have a hand in the original hidding of assets but most certainly manoeuvored money and deals since he took over the role of legal rep.
Gilbert seems to be going through a mass of guilt complex emotions, including he needs money to replace his lose of income from his past wheeling and dealing. I am only speculating here, but I think he may be facing his demons now, as maybe has some sort of health issues, and losses of family relationships due to his associations...I could be wrong there, but just get that sense:shrug:
LMS
I mean statue of limitations on Gilbert's uncharged conspiracy to hide assets/avoid a court turnover order. If I heard OJ's voice on those tapes saying how much he hopes to get me cornered in a room somewhere I know I'd be nervous! I think he initially thought he was going to have to admit his complicity under oath on the stand and had better cover his you-know-what. I bet he's kicking his own you-know-what right now and will look for a way to climb back under a rock. Because he didn't testify, I think everything will go back to status quo. I just hope he doesn't sell many books.
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 11:42 AM
Okay....I got my workout done and had breakfast (a heart healthy bowl of oatmeal with milk for strong bones). :)
I'm ready to get this show on the road.
Atta girl! I thought about doing that - but guess that doesn't count.
OOPS brain burp - Beardlsey - sorry about that. I'm rushing out - have to go deliver an RV to Menphis today - will be gone all day. Please don't let OJ get on that stand without me! Don't think he will, but ya never know.......LOL
Is that about 5 hr trip for you? Golly snowbird!
If OJ takes the stand we'll record it for you. k?:seeya:
Atta girl! I thought about doing that - but guess that doesn't count.
... :lol: ...
QUESTION
Where did the police recover all the stuff from? OJ didn't have it in his room did he? I must have missed hearing once the stuff was loaded into the vans, where it was stored.
Atta girl! I thought about doing that - but guess that doesn't count.
I used to think about it...now I don't kow what to do with myself if I don't exercise.
I still get sleepy every morning though...if they don't start this trial soon I'm sure a nap will claim me. (that will probably happen anyway.....) :)
That's why I love this forum, anything I miss while sleeping I can read about when I wake up. :)
QUESTION
Where did the police recover all the stuff from? OJ didn't have it in his room did he? I must have missed hearing once the stuff was loaded into the vans, where it was stored.
They didn't recover all of it, did they? The stuff that was loaded into the white SUV has disappeared. It was only the stuff that the other guys were holding that was recovered, if I'm not mistaken.
QUESTION
Where did the police recover all the stuff from? OJ didn't have it in his room did he? I must have missed hearing once the stuff was loaded into the vans, where it was stored.
I know Cashmere turned stuff in, well to his lawyer anyways and it was picked up there by LE.
LE retrieved sunglasses (LOL) back from Alexanders suitcase.
Maybe CJ turned stuff into his lawyer also? Sketchy on that one.
KTLA feed is still black......c'mon 8 minutes before court should be in session 8am start no?
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 11:55 AM
District Court Judge Stewart Bell, Judicial Media Liason for this case, is on with Lisa today. His role is to be available to answer media questions about what the law is or about court procedure. He doesn't discuss the facts or strategy or anything like that, but if the media needs answers so they can share with the public the true facts he is available to them. Judge Glass was assigned randomly to this case via computer draw.
Armed Robbery w/use of weapon carries 2-15 year sentence for the robbery with add'l enhancement of 1-15 consecutive for use of weapon, non probationable. Therefore, the least you can get is 3-7.5 years in prison and most is 12-30 years.
Sentencing never takes place right away. A Pre-sentence investigation report is prepared to give the Court the background of the defendent, things the Court might not otherwise know so the Court can decide appropriate sentencing.
I know Cashmere turned stuff in, well to his lawyer anyways and it was picked up there by LE.
LE retrieved sunglasses (LOL) back from Alexanders suitcase.
Maybe CJ turned stuff into his lawyer also? Sketchy on that one.
KTLA feed is still black......c'mon 8 minutes before court should be in session 8am start no?
Yes - 8am start.
Well heck - then somebody has to have all of OJ's "STUFF" - the gal in the car with another mystery person (could it have been Sabrina and Scotto?)
MOMMOM
10-01-2008, 11:58 AM
I'm still on the fence and totter back and forth regarding Riccio. Riccio called OJ with what he had and offered to help get it back if he signed some books for him. Not what I call being conned.
Personally I don't think Beardsley has any pictures of family and Beardsley was pulling the con to make it more "personal". There has been no proof other then Beardsley word that these exist and he can access them. He's recently elluded to the fact that it was not Gilbert who had possession of them to begin with. Gilbert was the only one missing from that room and all along the pictures were said not to be there because Gilbert wasn't there due to a push up of the "sting operation".
Also all of OJ's talk to everyone had to do with retrieving expensive memorbilia and never about I want my personal family's pictures history my childhood growing up back. NEVER.
All the testimony from the defendants only talked about the price of the marketable collectors gameballs and such.
HOW can McClinton have a ccw permit? Does he not have a record? Just the driver license incedent is a little strange
HOW can McClinton have a ccw permit? Does he not have a record? Just the driver license incedent is a little strange
He worked in security (off and on) and he wasn't a felon, so he was entitled to a CCW.
HOW can McClinton have a ccw permit? Does he not have a record? Just the driver license incedent is a little strange
According to his testimony he has never been convicted of anything other then a misdemeaner.
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 12:05 PM
Judge Bell said he didn't know the reason Beardsley wore jail clothes and shackles in his second appearance. He said it was up to the judge to make that decision. As a general proposition, they usually come in their prison garb.
If convicted, OJ (and presumably Stewart) would first go to the prision classification system at Indian Springs for about 3 weeks where they would look into his background and do psychological testing before deciding what level of security is required. They could place him in any one of the more than 20 prisons around the state depending upon the outcome of that assessment.
kennedy06
10-01-2008, 12:06 PM
Is it possible R just made a few dollars there at the begining of his interview:rolleyes: JMO
Is it possible R just made a few dollars there at the begining of his interview:rolleyes: JMO
Yes...........
Alrighty then - we've got standby for live coverage showing .
Lyndawitha"Y
10-01-2008, 12:15 PM
My....My...Isnt Riccio the Kettle calling the Pot Black..McClinton and Alexander were going to video this thing...Riccio is so forked tongued, and I think he's afrid he's going to lose out on handling OJ's sale of memorabilia..(not thru OJ tho)..He is a snake in the grass, in my opinion...Even OJ termed Riccio as the "Man on the Inside" setting u the meeting with a buyer???What a weeny!!
LMS:chicken:
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 12:21 PM
Eddie Haye's comments on Riccio this morning:
"Riccio is not a guy you'd wanna marry your sister."
"Riccio could have in in a clergyman's outfit and he's going to make the same impression."
"Riccio would lie to ya about the day of the week if somebody offered him $5.00"
Lyndawitha"Y
10-01-2008, 12:21 PM
'Set-up vs Taking Advantage"?
Riccio and OJ SET-UP Beardsley and Fromong
McClinton and Alexander took advantage of the opportunity OJ pulled them into!!!
Jamie Floyd is so loose and fancy-free with just who set up this whole thing...Poor OJ..set up by his gunman..aka Security Team!! ohhhhhby the way who were brought into the sting by OJ!!
LMS:biggrin:
Scotto was gonna put a hit out on Alexander's life???? Wow!
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 12:24 PM
Scotto allegedly put out a hit on Alexander?
Wow...Scotto tried to put a contract on Alexander's life???
That's what Galanter said he intended to ask Scotto - jury isn't in of course.
Scotto allegedly put out a hit on Alexander?
:confused:
Scotto allegedly put out a hit on Alexander?It doesn't sound like they are denying it either.... The counter charge to that allegation is that Alexander tried to sell his testimony.
What a cast of characters. Are there charges for the attempted murder? (or would it be conspiracy to attempt murder?)
Lyndawitha"Y
10-01-2008, 12:28 PM
Scotto was gonna put a hit out on Alexander's life???? Wow!
Where did you hear that?..Wow, interesting, IF true, it just follows my impression of some of Autobody Shop owners...Hummm? I got chewed out cause I gve my opinion on possible Scotto relationship with OJ???.Why, seems they didnt think I knew this man (I dont of course) but just possible he fits the profile I had in mind???;)
LMS
That's what Galanter said he intended to ask Scotto - jury isn't in of course.
There has to be a good faith basis for the question. LOL Yale Gallanter just stole my words so he is acknowleging that there must be some basis for the question about the hit!!!
kennedy06
10-01-2008, 12:32 PM
I would like to see them all with beads of sweat on them, it would just add to this trail! JMO
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 12:32 PM
judge is going to handle lack of air conditioning in the courtroom. Like things aren't going to be hot enough!
Where did you hear that?..Wow, interesting, IF true, it just follows my impression of some of Autobody Shop owners...Hummm? I got chewed out cause I gve my opinion on possible Scotto relationship with OJ???.Why, seems they didnt think I knew this man (I dont of course) but just possible he fits the profile I had in mind???;)
LMSThe info comes straight from the courtroom. Don't you have the feed up and running?
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 12:35 PM
So Yale sees Alexander's request for assistance as "extortion" huh? That's a stretch.
kennedy06
10-01-2008, 12:36 PM
He will deny it ok, unless the hitman suddenly is brought in!! JMO
If I were a juror and I heard that question of whether a "hit" was in the works and no defense lawyers objected I would think that was a very real prospect.
Well this news of a hit certainly woke me up. lol
Lyndawitha"Y
10-01-2008, 12:37 PM
The info comes straight from the courtroom. Don't you have the feed up and running?
Thanks Kara...I dont have live feed up yet...going there as I type..I just wonder what "God Faith" basis Pros. has..maybe might hear about it in rebuttal???Wouldnt that be just another feather in their cap!! OJ and his gang of thieves and hitman...LOL
LMS;)
Where did you hear that?..Wow, interesting, IF true, it just follows my impression of some of Autobody Shop owners...Hummm? I got chewed out cause I gve my opinion on possible Scotto relationship with OJ???.Why, seems they didnt think I knew this man (I dont of course) but just possible he fits the profile I had in mind???;)
LMS
I had legaledge cam on and the lawyers and judge were discussing what was going to be asked.
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 12:40 PM
Scotto talks like "The Godfather". Get that cotton out of your mouth, Mr. Scotto! We can't hear you!
bearwds
10-01-2008, 12:40 PM
judge is going to handle lack of air conditioning in the courtroom. Like things aren't going to be hot enough!
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OJ better get used to the heat.
G'Morning folks....
I'm on the Riccio diet. One look at him and I lose my appetite.
ok...Scotto is up.
bearwds
Scotto talks like "The Godfather". Get that cotton out of your mouth, Mr. Scotto! We can't hear you!
Yes, wasn't expecting that.
what did Scotto say his entire name is? Thomas Anthony Scotto?
If I were a juror and I heard that question of whether a "hit" was in the works and no defense lawyers objected I would think that was a very real prospect.
Absolutely!
Why did I think this was Yale/OJ's witness? We've got Alexander's lawyer up to question Scotto first, so that means this is his witness, right???
Oh...nevermind, Jami answered my question
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 12:44 PM
Next question...Mr. Scotto, why was Mr. Stewart driving you? Didn't you have a white rental car? Ask him, Jones!
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 12:46 PM
Absolutely!
Why did I think this was Yale/OJ's witness? We've got Alexander's lawyer up to question Scotto first, so that means this is his witness, right???
Oh...nevermind, Jami answered my question
OMG! Jami had something useful to offer??
kennedy06
10-01-2008, 12:48 PM
what did Scotto say his entire name is? Thomas Anthony Scotto?
I would think the middle and last name are just coincidental but with this case who knows!! JMO Yes I did a quick wikipedia search out of curiosity after reading your question. JMO
OMG! Jami had something useful to offer??
LOL Yes, she said it was by agreement between defense teams that Alexander's team could question him first.
Ziggy (on ktla) had a great point about it being a purposeful tactic on the part of YG.
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 12:49 PM
How long til Jami comments regarding this white man, Scotto, making Stewart, a sick black man, drive him all over town that day?
callmetree
10-01-2008, 12:50 PM
1 OJ in a "can" please.
that was too cute. thanks for the laugh :lol:
CatBallou
10-01-2008, 12:50 PM
OMG! Jami had something useful to offer??
:lol: A miracle!
How long til Jami comments regarding this white man, Scotto, making Stewart, a sick black man, drive him all over town that day?
:lol:
What a way to memoralize your wedding - the license being entered into evidence at an OJ Simpson trial awwwwwwwww!
LOL Yes, she said it was by agreement between defense teams that Alexander's team could question him first.
Ziggy (on ktla) had a great point about it being a purposeful tactic on the part of YG.
LOL you mean Stewarts team.
Here's his new wife's name:
PINTO SABRINA MARIA MORIM DE BARROS
and Thomas just got his divorce from Maria a month or so before this new marriage....LOL!
Instrument # 20070913000781220
Date Issued/Filed
9/13/2007 Time Issued/Filed 2:53:05 PM
Document Type MLIC Remarks
Document Desc MARRIAGE LICENSE
LOL you mean Stewarts team.Yes, my bad.....
kennedy06
10-01-2008, 12:56 PM
Is there a link or can someone give any info on who this guy is. I know about the wedding but nothing really beyond that. Thanks JMO
callmetree
10-01-2008, 12:58 PM
:confused:
ditto on the :confused:
Here's his new wife's name:
PINTO SABRINA MARIA MORIM DE BARROS
and Thomas just got his divorce from Maria a month or so before this new marriage....LOL!
Instrument # 20070913000781220
Date Issued/Filed
9/13/2007 Time Issued/Filed 2:53:05 PM
Document Type MLIC Remarks
Document Desc MARRIAGE LICENSE
No Nina? :shrug:
bearwds
10-01-2008, 01:00 PM
:lol:
What a way to memoralize your wedding - the license being entered into evidence at an OJ Simpson trial awwwwwwwww!
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If this joker sticks around, he can memorialize his first kids birth certificate as well.
bearwds
Is there a link or can someone give any info on who this guy is. I know about the wedding but nothing really beyond that. Thanks JMO
I'm just using public records, like Clarke Co for the marriage info and then Miami-Dade Co for his "family" records (they're blacked out for the most part) and Deeds, Mortgages, liens, etc.
French bouquet flower shop???? Tar'get?
What's up with this line of questioning?
And what is the importance of starbucks receipts and going to the bakery?
You got me....:confused:
kennedy06
10-01-2008, 01:02 PM
I'm just using public records, like Clarke Co for the marriage info and then Miami-Dade Co for his "family" records (they're blacked out for the most part) and Deeds, Mortgages, liens, etc.
Oh ok, Thanks :)
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 01:03 PM
No Nina? :shrug:
Too much! Nina, Pinto and Sabrina Maria - too much.
Too much! Nina, Pinto and Sabrina Maria - too much.
OMG! :lol: your killing me here!
Too much! Nina, Pinto and Sabrina Maria - too much. hahaha - wonder if they took the honeymoon cruise or fly to Hawaii?
bearwds
10-01-2008, 01:08 PM
Too much! Nina, Pinto and Sabrina Maria - too much.
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Sounds like the sailing of Columbus doesn't it..??
I have a picture in my mind of Scotto coming out of his body shop and telling a customer, "That fender will cost you a grand, and the hit will be $10,000".
bearwds
Ok - about the "stolen" evidence:
sic:"David Cook, an attorney for Goldman's father, Fred Goldman, said he believed Nevada authorities would turn over the items with a court order after Simpson's criminal case finishes. The items include Simpson's Hall of Fame certificate, a gold Rolex watch and the suit Simpson wore on the day he was acquitted, Cook said.
"Assuming that this case is resolved one way or another, at the end of the case, the stuff will never go back to Mr. Simpson," Cook vowed. "He's going to walk out of Clark County empty-handed."
So, somehow, LV police did recover the "stuff".
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Sounds like the sailing of Columbus doesn't it..??
I have a picture in my mind of Scotto coming out of his body shop and telling a customer, "That fender will cost you a grand, and the hit will be $10,000".
bearwds
C'mon he's a professional. Fender will cost you $10,000.00 - and Alexander sleeps with the fishes.
That certainly was not a threatening menacing phone call Alexander placed to Scotto - I need some help man?
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 01:23 PM
That certainly was not a threatening menacing phone call Alexander placed to Scotto - I need some help man?
Mr. Scotto, why would anyone call you? You had nothing to do with this case, did you? You didn't know anything about this case, did you?
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 01:24 PM
Mr. Scotto, did you meet Mr. Galanter through OJ as a friend or in his capacity as OJ's attorney? Have you ever socialized with Mr. Galanter?
bearwds
10-01-2008, 01:24 PM
YALE to SCOTTO: "Do we know each other".
...you bettcha
bearwds
Did you and your current wife while dating socialize - go out with who ever OJ was dating ROFL!
YALE to SCOTTO: "Do we know each other".
...you bettcha
bearwds
.... :lol: ...
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 01:27 PM
Did you and your current wife while dating socialize - go out with who ever OJ was dating ROFL!
Were Mr. Simpson's dates often bruised or wearing casts?
Why is Scotto here again?
Were Mr. Simpson's dates often bruised or wearing casts?
.... :lol: .....
kennedy06
10-01-2008, 01:29 PM
OJ was putting out his garbage, TS brother stopped and talked and a friendship blossomed from there! :shrug:
What luck!
JMO
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 01:33 PM
Mr. Scotto, Did any of your friends have or loan you a white car at any time? The limo statement opened the door
callmetree
10-01-2008, 01:37 PM
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OJ better get used to the heat.
G'Morning folks....
I'm on the Riccio diet. One look at him and I lose my appetite.
ok...Scotto is up.
bearwds
beam us up scotto!;)
bearwds
10-01-2008, 01:37 PM
OJ was putting out his garbage, TS brother stopped and talked and a friendship blossomed from there! :shrug:
What luck!
JMO
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He should have figured what was smelling wasn't the garbage.
Oh my...
bearwds
Cashmere cooking by BBQ light - someone seems to be embellishing about the darkness.
kennedy06
10-01-2008, 01:41 PM
Hmmm they sure wanted to impress or please this TS it appears (those who were his friends). JMO
He just went back to the party and tried to enjoy himself after that. He didn't order them out - OH PLEASE!!!!
Just looking at more public records and found the "domestic violence" charge Maria Scotto v Thomas A. Scotto 10-17-2006.
I'd say good ole friend Tom isn't opposed to a little violence himself. Well, at least he can handle a female - sorta like his "very good buddy OJ"
Wish they'd quit talking about the "grassy area" - turning quickly to see if there's a sniper in the book repository!
According to Jean C, the purpose of the testimony elicited by Stewart's atty was a sort of alibi info...it's supposed to prove that the defendants were not present during any discussion of bringing guns.
I thought I'd share that tidbit. :)
So they would lie for $50,000.00 - they didn't get it so they told the truth?
He is helping validate Alexander and McClinton stories as being truthful then.
I though Grasso's cross was bad but geez!
What does it matter what Scotto's thoughts were.
It's what the jury's thoughts are.
So they would lie for $50,000.00 - they didn't get it so they told the truth?
He is helping validate Alexander and McClinton stories as being truthful then.
I though Grasso's cross was bad but geez!
I think you got that backwards...they are trying to say that if they didn't get the money they would lie to make themselves innocent and OJ guilty.
Based upon where they are now and what has been spent on attys, it would have been money well spent if it would have made those audotapes disappear and the visibility of the guns less apparent. :)
callmetree
10-01-2008, 01:59 PM
Just looking at more public records and found the "domestic violence" charge Maria Scotto v Thomas A. Scotto 10-17-2006.
I'd say good ole friend Tom isn't opposed to a little violence himself. Well, at least he can handle a female - sorta like his "very good buddy OJ"
Wish they'd quit talking about the "grassy area" - turning quickly to see if there's a sniper in the book repository!
birds of a feather flock together.:chicken:
I think you got that backwards...they are trying to say that if they didn't get the money they would lie to make themselves innocent and OJ guilty.
Based upon where they are now and what has been spent on attys, it would have been money well spent if it would have made those audotapes disappear and the visibility of the guns less apparent. :)
That's what I thought they were going to try to do but I clearly hear it the other way. And in light of those tapes, IMO they would have handed over the tapes to OJ for $50,000.00
Cross exam begins! This should get interesting if we get to the hiring a hit question. :)
This Scotto guy couldn't have any loot to pay out $50,000 anyhow. He had a federal tax lien on him and his x-wife, had judgments for 50k, 18k and a foreclosure on his house - the house and fed tax lien was March 08...oh, my fault, that was after Alexander and McC wanted 50k.
That's what I thought they were going to try to do but I clearly hear it the other way. And in light of those tapes, IMO they would have handed over the tapes to OJ for $50,000.00I agree with how you hear it, but they are trying to spin it as I said... :)
kennedy06
10-01-2008, 02:07 PM
Respectfully, he is either very smart or I don't know how to describe it. JMO
ROTFLMAO!! Arthur (the bailiff) is threatening (in a joking way) to help YG stay in his seat.
YALE! Heel/SIT ARTHUR.........ROFLMAO!
Still waiting to hear the "h" bomb question.
Still waiting to hear the "h" bomb question.Me too. I'm assuming the pros is trying to elicit some more pertinent info before going there....
bearwds
10-01-2008, 02:27 PM
Still waiting to hear the "h" bomb question.
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"h"--bomb..?? No comprendo JBL.
"N"--bomb has been repeatedly dropped by Scotto describing what McClinton said on the lawn.
bearwds
I was thinking maybe the jury will ask if he rented a white car.
Being that a couple was seen in the car I would suspect Scotto but being unfamiliar with Vegas and having CJ drive them around I really don't think it was Scotto and his wife.
Vegas can be crazy. I've been in the back of a taxi that was pulled over and ticketed with the bobbing and weaving speeding in traffic.
I'd NEVER rent my own car to drive there.
Maybe Mr. Jones would be willing to share his mic with Mr. Scotto?
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"h"--bomb..?? No comprendo JBL.
"N"--bomb has been repeatedly dropped by Scotto describing what McClinton said on the lawn.
bearwdsH-bomb = hit.
Before the jury entered today we learned that the prosecution is going to ask Scotto about a hit he tried to put out on Alexander.
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 02:30 PM
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"h"--bomb..?? No comprendo JBL.
"N"--bomb has been repeatedly dropped by Scotto describing what McClinton said on the lawn.
bearwds
"H" Hitman,
"H" Hired (by Scotto) allegedly to kill Alexander
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"h"--bomb..?? No comprendo JBL.
"N"--bomb has been repeatedly dropped by Scotto describing what McClinton said on the lawn.
bearwds
Before the jury was let in Rogers says he going to question Scotto concerning a "HIT" placed on Alexander.
No objections from defense as a matter of fact YALE stated he believes this is being asked in good faith. Basically there must be something this. :eek:
I submit this funny story on my 1st visit to Vegas with my husband (Mr. Walk and Squeak) - After the landing, picking up the bags, my husband looked out the doors and said, "hey, it's so close, we can save money and walk to the hotels. See?" We probably walked 1/4 mile and I finally made out a HUGE colorful billboard with lots of hotels and all lit up!
Needless to say what ole skinflinthammer had to do, because I sat on the bags (wearing high heels) while he went for a taxi.:D
vonna
10-01-2008, 02:32 PM
good question :beer:
Listening to Scotto recalls...Liar, liar, pants on fire.
bearwds
10-01-2008, 02:33 PM
Thanx Kara and Ann. Color me duh.
bearwds
watchu
10-01-2008, 02:36 PM
This witness has really damaged the defense.... What did they think would happen with a guy that comes across like a Mafia Boss???
Now his timeline is being impeached with cell phone records.....
I would love to hear a body language expert with all of his twitches and now his face is bright red.....
I submit this funny story on my 1st visit to Vegas with my husband (Mr. Walk and Squeak) - After the landing, picking up the bags, my husband looked out the doors and said, "hey, it's so close, we can save money and walk to the hotels. See?" We probably walked 1/4 mile and I finally made out a HUGE colorful billboard with lots of hotels and all lit up!
Needless to say what ole skinflinthammer had to do, because I sat on the bags (wearing high heels) while he went for a taxi.:D
HAHA been there myself. You can see the Treasure Island sign outside the MGM Grand where I stay. Nice night we'll walk OMG!!! An hour later.............
Not to mention on the walk #2 son sliced his foot open on the non moving escalator in front of Caesers Palace, ems bike riders converged upon us nice crowd gathered while sons foot was squirting blood you'd have thought he cut is foot off GEEZ. There's more but I'll leave it at that. LOL VEGAS GOT TO LOVE IT!
I wondered why Mr. Jones needed one. Not that I watch that many trials. I've never seen a lawyer needing a mic before. He's not on stage.
It's extremely strange and distracting.
Judge wants to give jury a break but Rogers said he only needs about 5 more minutes, so don'tnobody leave the room.
It's extremely strange and distracting.
Judge wants to give jury a break but Rogers said he only needs about 5 more minutes, so don'tnobody leave the room.
:lol:
I take it no one wants to get shot in the back. ;)
WHAT 'EM :eek:
GOOD LORD!
Okay there is the question and the denial and now pros has a piece of paper...appears it's to impeach. Judge calls a break.
Congratulations on your sleuthing skills, RGG!
So, he and Simpson are best friends -- well, they have a lot in common -- domestic violence and tax liens. Wonder what the new Mrs. Scotto and Christie Prody have in common?
LOL Guernica - I'd take a stab (gulp) at the answer is HOOTERS! Have you seen the pic of Sabrina?
he reminded me of a televangelist. Like who? "LONESOME RHODES?":) "A Face in the Crowd?"
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 02:51 PM
LOL Guernica - I'd take a stab (gulp) at the answer is HOOTERS! Have you seen the pic of Sabrina?
Let me guess...Nina Pinto Sabrina Maria has a set of full sails??
HAHA been there myself. You can see the Treasure Island sign outside the MGM Grand where I stay. Nice night we'll walk OMG!!! An hour later.............
Not to mention on the walk #2 son sliced his foot open on the non moving escalator in front of Caesers Palace, ems bike riders converged upon us nice crowd gathered while sons foot was squirting blood you'd have thought he cut is foot off GEEZ. There's more but I'll leave it at that. LOL VEGAS GOT TO LOVE IT!
Oh TY TY TY JBL - suddenly, I don't feel like the Lone Dummy. ROFLOL
Let me guess...Nina Pinto Sabrina Maria has a set of full sails??
.... :lol: ....
I can always count on you Ann! ROFL
bearwds
10-01-2008, 02:56 PM
Me, too, Watchu; wish we had access to a body language expert. Anyone here good at identifying accents? Scotto is obviously not a native Floridian.:) New Jersey? New York?
I can't agree with the mafia boss appellation. Soldier thug, maybe
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I'm guessing Chicago. and sounds like a Lieutenant..a step above thug.
Do we have a picture of the lovely Ms. Scotto..??
bearwds.
Let me guess...Nina Pinto Sabrina Maria has a set of full sails??
Here's l00king at you AnnInOhio
Think her pic is near bottom, put it'll POP up quickly. Thinking she's in "white" with white bb cap on. Reckon that was the wedding gear? NAH!
What is the age diff? about 24-5 yrs?
http://www.radaronline.com/from-the-magazine/2008/09/oj_simpson_murder_robbery_kidnapping_trial_tim_sco tto_01-print.php
Lyndawitha"Y
10-01-2008, 03:00 PM
I might have missed this, but Mr. Scotto as an owner of a "Body Shop" deals mostly in CASH...knowing what I know about this business, lots of moneys get laundered this way...I'll wagger that OJ told both McClinton and Alexander to go to Scotto for moneyfor lawyer.as he has "The Cash"...LOL..Speculation yes, but probable in my estimation..
LMS
Oh TY TY TY JBL - suddenly, I don't feel like the Lone Dummy. ROFLOL
The best part was yet to come. When my son who was going into 4th grade at the time was next in line to tell what he did over summer vacation following others visits to Disney Land, Myrtile Beach etc.
WE WENT TO VEGAS AND WALKING THE STRIP............ and here's the scar --------ROFLMAO!
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I'm guessing Chicago. and sounds like a Lieutenant..a step above thug.
Do we have a picture of the lovely Ms. Scotto..??
bearwds.
3612 Somerset Dr Seaford New York (Nassau Co) born Jan 1962
Carol25
10-01-2008, 03:05 PM
Why did she call for a break?
I might have missed this, but Mr. Scotto as an owner of a "Body Shop" deals mostly in CASH...knowing what I know about this business, lots of moneys get laundered this way...I'll wagger that OJ told both McClinton and Alexander to go to Scotto for moneyfor lawyer.as he has "The Cash"...LOL..Speculation yes, but probable in my estimation..LMS
You got that right! My friend had a junk yard - when he'd go to Vegas everything was gratis. He had 2 receipt machines - one for the big bucks, the other for petty stuff. He kept over 200,000.00 in a safe in his bathroom under the floor. Go figure!
Carol25
10-01-2008, 03:07 PM
Not to get dramatic. but is he going to ask to call a witness to impeach and she is getting additional security?
The best part was yet to come. When my son who was going into 4th grade at the time was next in line to tell what he did over summer vacation following others visits to Disney Land, Myrtile Beach etc.
WE WENT TO VEGAS AND WALKING THE STRIP............ and here's the scar --------ROFLMAO!
"walking the strip?" teacher must have wet her knickers.
:lol::D
bearwds
10-01-2008, 03:11 PM
Correction. She spoke with a latina accent.
imo
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I think I heard today that her parents were flying in from Brazil.
Maybe that's it..??
bearwds
Is this Scotto? He lives on Long Island? USED to - I would guess he was born in NY.
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 03:13 PM
Mr. Jones is asking questions like Joe Pesci in "My Cousin Vinny".
Scotto probably knows about "yoots"
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I think I heard today that her parents were flying in from Brazil.
Maybe that's it..??bearwds
You're correct!
Little Buddha's restaurant LOL
Geez this guy.
Our resident Web Sleuth, RGG, has come through for me again; thank you.
I thought it was either Jersey or NY.
When I lived in FL I used to do skip tracing, then I worked for an airline and devised a formula to save money (fraud tickets), and finally after I retired I was (still am) researcher for a CGRS (Genealogist).
You're very welcome - I enjoy any kind of puzzle.
why do we need to post peoples addresses here????
That's NOT his address - we were discussing if he was originally from FL/NY or IL.
bearwds
10-01-2008, 03:21 PM
Mr. Jones is asking questions like Joe Pesci in "My Cousin Vinny".
Scotto probably knows about "yoots"
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No understanding there Ann.
I would know the answer to the word "yooze"...lol
Not doing too good today...missing the accent question. Being from California most every accent east of the rockies sounds like Al Capone.
bearwds
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No understanding there Ann.
I would know the answer to the word "yooze"...lol
Not doing too good today...missing the accent question. Being from California most every accent east of the rockies sounds like Al Capone.
bearwds
I'm orig. from Ohio - we always said "yooze guys":)
st777jo
10-01-2008, 03:28 PM
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No understanding there Ann.
I would know the answer to the word "yooze"...lol
Not doing too good today...missing the accent question. Being from California most every accent east of the rockies sounds like Al Capone.
bearwds
You's. I use it all the time.
Simpson is NOT going to take the stand. I agree with you.
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No understanding there Ann.
I would know the answer to the word "yooze"...lol
Not doing too good today...missing the accent question. Being from California most every accent east of the rockies sounds like Al Capone.
bearwds
:lol:
I've heard that said by other West Coasters.
Yay jury questions
Yay that was my question - Why didn't he have or told McClinton to scram after the "bodily harm" confrontation?
He's a nice guy :rolleyes:
He probably also makes deal you can't refuse.
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 03:40 PM
If McClinton was such a dangerous person, why would OJ ask him to participate in a friendly sting?
OJ is not taking the stand. The defense has rested already? Bummer, huh? Just the OJ Defense has rested. Not certain I ever heard if CJ's defense said they rested - anybody remember hearing that?
OJ don't wish to muck up Galanter's case - he's probably taking Yale's advice - I would too.
bearwds
10-01-2008, 03:46 PM
If McClinton was such a dangerous person, why would OJ ask him to participate in a friendly sting?
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CCW... ...and the ability to look "menacing"..??
I get one right today..??
Stewart witnesses to come after lunch.
bearwds
If I was Stewart I'd be afraid and plead with them to just end it now.
They have not helped that man in any way shape or form so far.
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 03:47 PM
Stewart may recall some of the police officers. May be another alibi witness. If I was Stewarts' attorney, I'd let it rest.
Lyndawitha"Y
10-01-2008, 03:48 PM
OJ is not taking the stand. Why not?
He cannot take the stand for numerous reasons..first and foremost..Yale simply cannot subourne perjury...OJ just has too much baggage..nothing to do with Murder Trial!! not to mention Yale G. and his 8 year association with him!!
LMS:no:
If I was Stewart I'd be afraid and plead with them to just end it now.
They have not helped that man in any way shape or form so far.
Do ya think he's not paid any of his atty's bill yet and they're miffed at him? :lol::)
He cannot take the stand for numerous reasons..first and foremost..Yale simply cannot subourne perjury...OJ just has too much baggage..nothing to do with Murder Trial!! not to mention Yale G. and his 8 year association with him!!LMS:no:
You got that right Lynda, not to mention if he just "happened" to let it slip that the "stolen stuff" was actually hidden stuff.:no:
kennedy06
10-01-2008, 03:51 PM
If I was Stewart I'd be afraid and plead with them to just end it now.
They have not helped that man in any way shape or form so far.
I know in one camera shot of him today he looked like What in the He//.
JMO
Jones OMG! I keep thinking the wedding singer or Hello Ladies and Germs and welcome to the Las Vegas court system.
He has not been able to get a question out that wasn't leading or asked to rephrase, everything is sustained.
Maybe he's a relative of CJ's who CJ is helping to get a start in the legal biz?
Just shaking my head.
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 03:53 PM
He cannot take the stand for numerous reasons..first and foremost..Yale simply cannot subourne perjury...OJ just has too much baggage..nothing to do with Murder Trial!! not to mention Yale G. and his 8 year association with him!!
LMS:no:
Yale's advice to OJ: "Don't burn me, Juice!"
MOMMOM
10-01-2008, 03:54 PM
Does anyone else think that tom scotto was on some drug..His eyes kept closing and he was getting more and more stressed looking.
Lyndawitha"Y
10-01-2008, 03:55 PM
If I was Stewart I'd be afraid and plead with them to just end it now.
They have not helped that man in any way shape or form so far.
I do think that CJ is in deeer than weknow..but by evidence presented..he was just a team leader in this sting to get the Posse to carry items..so best he not testiy to open any other doors..Good move on his part!!..I also think since tried with OJ..his covictions will pale compared to OJ's!! who was the Commander in Chief.LOL
LMS
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 03:55 PM
I think it is time for Cher to revise her original hit and come out with a rendition of "Thugs, Liars, and Thieves.":lol:
Especially if she's headlining in Vegas this week.
Lyndawitha"Y
10-01-2008, 03:57 PM
Does anyone else think that tom scotto was on some drug..His eyes kept closing and he was getting more and more stressed looking.
Could be..but more likely is that his a "Brick short of a Load"..Not the brightest bulb in the lot!!!
LMS
kennedy06
10-01-2008, 03:59 PM
Does anyone else think that tom scotto was on some drug..His eyes kept closing and he was getting more and more stressed looking.
At one point I had wondered myself if something to keep him calm. My other thought was he was really controlling his emotions. That is where I was coming from that I think he was a smarter man then he may have come across at times. Just my thought.
JMO
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 04:00 PM
I do think that CJ is in deeer than weknow..but by evidence presented..he was just a team leader in this sting to get the Posse to carry items..so best he not testiy to open any other doors..Good move on his part!!..I also think since tried with OJ..his covictions will pale compared to OJ's!! who was the Commander in Chief.LOL
LMS
I think Stewart has actually benefited from being tried next to OJ. If he wasn't going to take a deal, this is the best he could hope for.
Details
10-01-2008, 04:01 PM
Stewart is in really good shape I think - lots of stuff to point to OJ as the mastermind, lots of guys who didn't know what was really going to happen.
Lyndawitha"Y
10-01-2008, 04:01 PM
Yale's advice to OJ: "Don't burn me, Juice!"
You know what Ann? trial..in the preliminaries etc..not to mention all the books that have come out..I would not be surprised if Yale and Co. dont get audited...or worse..investigated..Hummmm he may well have some splainin' to do!!
LMS
warrkat
10-01-2008, 04:11 PM
Like who? "LONESOME RHODES?":) "A Face in the Crowd?"
Thank you, thank you. I was trying to tell my mother about that movie the other day, and could NOT remember the name of it. She loves Andy Griffith, but has only seen his TV shows, not movies.
Details
10-01-2008, 04:12 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if many people on witness stands who expect heavy questioning take a little something in the line of a relaxant. I think I would. Just to make it possible for me to testify without breaking down.
Sounds like he may have taken too much.
Topaz
10-01-2008, 04:13 PM
Does anyone else think that tom scotto was on some drug..His eyes kept closing and he was getting more and more stressed looking.
yes, I was thinking the same thing. Drugs however,also make the lips rather "loose" meaning they don't form words well. The mumbling may be part of that too. (Benzos I'm thinking).
I was also thinking....What in the He[[ do these two men have in common to become so close so quickly? MONEY, ways to get MONEY, and perhaps less legitimate ways to get MONEY?
Lyndawitha"Y
10-01-2008, 04:17 PM
yes, I was thinking the same thing. Drugs however,also make the lips rather "loose" meaning they don't form words well. The mumbling may be part of that too. (Benzos I'm thinking).
I was also thinking....What in the He[[ do these two men have in common to become so close so quickly? MONEY, ways to get MONEY, and perhaps less legitimate ways to get MONEY?
MONEY..Yeppperrs..CASH...no paper trail...LOL..a GOOD way to hid income..also for Scotto..I wonder if he will get audited too..Hummmm??IRS does need foundational reasons to audit anybody..so wonder??
LMS
Lyndawitha"Y
10-01-2008, 04:19 PM
I hear Shredding Machine goin"...Hummmm bet lots of OJ associates are shredding as we type..post..speak..LOL
LMS:shrug:
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 04:20 PM
yes, I was thinking the same thing. Drugs however,also make the lips rather "loose" meaning they don't form words well. The mumbling may be part of that too. (Benzos I'm thinking).
I was also thinking....What in the He[[ do these two men have in common to become so close so quickly? MONEY, ways to get MONEY, and perhaps less legitimate ways to get MONEY?
Or DRUGS, ways to get DRUGS, and ways to finance DRUGS?
I hear Shredding Machine goin"...Hummmm bet lots of OJ associates are shredding as we type..post..speak..LOL
LMS:shrug:
I thought that was Glass putting Yale thru it. LOL
Details
10-01-2008, 04:33 PM
Some of these guys, you just get the feeling they spot each other as similar types easily, a few words. Of course, most recognize OJ, and I'm sure OJ is familiar with the types who seek him out - the believers and the users, fame seekers and groupies.
I know that it's not too hard for me to pick out someone that belongs to my subculture either - whatever they're wearing, however they look - a geek is a geek. A few words, and just the language used, the things they're interested in - and you know each other. Might be a different variety of geek, but spotting a geek is easy. I'd imagine spotting a thug is pretty easy too. Little machism, little posturing, little hints of how you might do anything to anyone who crosses you - yep, that's a thug sending thug signals.
So Arthur has been on the spot twice to keep the peace as far as Yale goes. Unbelievable.
I'd imagine spotting a thug is pretty easy too. Little machism, little posturing, little hints of how you might do anything to anyone who crosses you - yep, that's a thug sending thug signals. I cannot understand how I've missed your little quote (i.e. Slinky) - that certainly brought plenty of smiles to me just now. Excellent! TY Details.:)
I love this heading: Story Highlights
NEW: Simpson pal Tom Scotto denies wanting witness Alexander whacked
So CJ relayed the info about being whacked to the DA?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/01/oj.simpson.trial.defense.ap/index.html
The prosecutor briefly referred to allegations that Scotto, 46, a North Miami Beach, Florida, auto repair shop owner, told Simpson co-defendant Clarence "C.J." Stewart in January that he wanted Alexander dead. But he was not permitted to dwell on the issue.
News to me but then nothing they do surprises me.
Where's the live feed????????
They've been out for over 1 hr 20mins - but who's counting?:cuss:
Via KTLA: Linda Lockhart, cousin of Stewart, just took the stand TYVM - feed just started 20 secs ago - GRRRRR - legaledge is too slow I reckon.
GOOD GRIEF BUFFET TALK! Enough!!
cherylt
10-01-2008, 05:20 PM
Via KTLA: Linda Lockhart, cousin of Stewart, just took the stand
Hey there!
Which hotel does she work for? I didn't catch it...
ETA: THE DEFENSE ILLICITED LOCKHEART'S TESTIMONY TO PROVE THAT STEWART WAS NOT INVOLVED IN ANY OF THE PLANNING FOR THE ALLEGED ROBBERY THAT HAPPENED AT THE PALMS
psbperu
10-01-2008, 05:20 PM
He cannot take the stand for numerous reasons..first and foremost..Yale simply cannot subourne perjury...OJ just has too much baggage..nothing to do with Murder Trial!! not to mention Yale G. and his 8 year association with him!!
LMS:no:
Hi Lynda et al:
Think OJ will get any time at all...or probation?
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 05:21 PM
all i've got is audio on cnn.com
cherylt
10-01-2008, 05:26 PM
He cannot take the stand for numerous reasons..first and foremost..Yale simply cannot subourne perjury...OJ just has too much baggage..nothing to do with Murder Trial!! not to mention Yale G. and his 8 year association with him!!
LMS:no:
You are right about that. I really thought that OJ's eagerness to tell the world how "innocent" he is and that HE is the "victim" might win out over Yale's admonishment. I can't believe there is someone he actually listens to!!!
cherylt
10-01-2008, 05:29 PM
She
Lockhart works at the Rio in VIP Services.
Either my computer is lagging or this InSession website is lagging.
Trya KTLA or thelegal edge. They seem to be OK - except that KTLA connection breaks off every so often & I don't know why...
That was it! Holy Cow! That looked foolish! Buffet testimony geez!
cherylt
10-01-2008, 05:32 PM
I think it is time for Cher to revise her original hit and come out with a rendition of "Thugs, Liars, and Thieves.":lol:
:lol: Maybe we can record our own version & sell it to the tabloids? Naw, it is too late now... :)
Still motioning to sever. :rolleyes:
He must have aced that in school.
SINGLETON! That is the attorney's name I heard days earlier who cautioned Simpson not to go ahead with the robbery plan.
Is that why there were so many objections about the questions surrounding him? (the New Orleands atty?)
cherylt
10-01-2008, 05:39 PM
Still motioning to sever. :rolleyes:
He must have aced that in school.
LOL! "Sever" & "Stay" - keep chanting that.... One day maybe it will work!
NJ_Follower
10-01-2008, 05:40 PM
i missed most of today-what happened re: changing testimony, etc. from scotto?
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 05:42 PM
Is that why there were so many objections about the questions surrounding him? (the New Orleands atty?)
Maybe nobody wants to see Yale stomp his foot and insist "EVERYBODY KNOWS I'M OJ'S ATTORNEY"
Not too late at all, Cheryl.
Just look at this cast of slimey characters -- they will probably get face time + money for interviews, appearances, articles, etc. telling the world ALL the stuff that was not elicited by the trial.
Earlier today, Stewart's lawyers said they intend to call Arnelle Simpson as a witness for Stewart. I bet they did that to keep Simpson upset; he seems to be very protective of Arnelle.
Probably because she has been such a big help to dear old Dad over the years.;)
Stewarts lawyers don't have a clue to what they're doing except motion to sever and it's taken 3 of them to do it !
They are not worth a dime!
i find when a defendent doesn't take the stand is because they are guilty of the crime they are on trial for. That is my opinion of course.I disagree, there are many good reasons for an innocent defendant to not take the stand....it depends upon the case and the defendant.
[QUOTE=Kara;12216259]Is that why there were so many objections about the questions surrounding him? (the New Orleands atty?)[/QUOTE
Yes, I believe so. Would open up a whole new can of worms.
An attorney telling Simpson: Don't Do It!
Not to mention he (the atty) may have been practicing law w/o a license to practice in that state.....
But yeah, not only the local cops, but the FBI and attys telling him it's not a good idea can't strengthen the defense.
So do most here think O.J. will get off or do time? :read:
kennedy06
10-01-2008, 05:54 PM
I'm listening to KTLA a few nics mentioned sound familiar :)
I didn't miss the jury asking TS questions did I ?
JMO
HELP PLEASE - I give up = now I've lost my KTLA video - does any kind soul want to share the link? I reckon the lawyers are at sidebar or doing something now - I was on the fone and got LOST IN SPACE. WHAW.:o
HELP PLEASE - I give up = now I've lost my KTLA video - does any kind soul want to share the link? I reckon the lawyers are at sidebar or doing something now - I was on the fone and got LOST IN SPACE. WHAW.:o
Passing Puffs
http://www.ktla.com/livevideo_channelb
I'm listening to KTLA a few nics mentioned sound familiar :)
I didn't miss the jury asking TS questions did I ?
JMOLike mine? lol
I thought I was incognito over there. :)
Details
10-01-2008, 05:58 PM
So do most here think O.J. will get off or do time? :read:Assuming no Rogue juror, they've got him several times over. The witnesses or the tapes alone, either is sufficient to convict.
Heck, in most trials, the testimony of the victims plus the video showing the thugs going in and out of the room - that's enough. You're there, victim says you did it, you're on video taking the property out of the hotel - guilty.
But for OJ, we've got the fellow thugs testifying all about it.
Then we add on top of that, all the tapes, many of which are sufficient for conviction alone (the planning tape, the during tape, the after tape - all good material to show he planned to do it, intended to do it and knew what he was doing).
They've got their case proven so many ways it isn't even funny.
[QUOTE=Kara;12216314]
Yep, and who know if there's a connection between Singleton and Stewart's attorney, Jones, who is under indictment himself.
Jones is under indictment? Pray tell!
cherylt
10-01-2008, 05:59 PM
Maybe nobody wants to see Yale stomp his foot and insist "EVERYBODY KNOWS I'M OJ'S ATTORNEY"
:lol: Good one!
BTW, why CAN'T the Prosecutors call him as a witness? Was he actually OJ's lawyer? There is no privilege if he asked as the "by the way" scenario, unless OJ was a client for a short time...??
cherylt
10-01-2008, 06:02 PM
Assuming no Rogue juror, they've got him several times over. The witnesses or the tapes alone, either is sufficient to convict. Heck, in most trials, the testimony of the victims plus the video showing the thugs going in and out of the room - that's enough. You're there, victim says you did it, you're on video taking the property out of the hotel - guilty. But for OJ, we've got the fellow thugs testifying all about it. Then we add on top of that, all the tapes, many of which are sufficient for conviction alone (the planning tape, the during tape, the after tape - all good material to show he planned to do it, intended to do it and knew what he was doing).
As usual, I agree with you...
Did you catch yesterday's little gem of the defense saying OJ was saying "You didn't talk to the police out in the hall?" No, no, no, no, says Mcclinton. Absurd! Why would anyone CARE if he talked to the police in the hall. That WAS "PIECE" and we ALL know it...
http://www.ktla.com/livevideo_channelb
Bless you both
now to find my seegar!:)
Assuming no Rogue juror, they've got him several times over. The witnesses or the tapes alone, either is sufficient to convict.
Heck, in most trials, the testimony of the victims plus the video showing the thugs going in and out of the room - that's enough. You're there, victim says you did it, you're on video taking the property out of the hotel - guilty.
But for OJ, we've got the fellow thugs testifying all about it.
Then we add on top of that, all the tapes, many of which are sufficient for conviction alone (the planning tape, the during tape, the after tape - all good material to show he planned to do it, intended to do it and knew what he was doing).
They've got their case proven so many ways it isn't even funny.
Thanks for the reply. I was confused, seems news shows have said that the witnesses against him were laughable or less than credible and I thought I read here earlier that some thought he'd get probation?? Not confused anymore, if you want the real stories, skip, TV or website headlines etc...come to InSession!!! :beer:
oops - 5 mins for the license.
Details
10-01-2008, 06:12 PM
Thanks for the reply. I was confused, seems news shows have said that the witnesses against him were laughable or less than credible and I thought I read here earlier that some thought he'd get probation?? Not confused anymore, if you want the real stories, skip, TV or website headlines etc...come to InSession!!! :beer:News shows feed on your outrage, on uncertainty. If you are worried about the outcome, if you are thinking there's a chance he'll get off, then you watch their show to find out how it's going. If you are sure they'll convict, you don't watch their show.
Uncertainty makes ratings better. And a commentator never wants to be wrong, so they'll drop in all kinds of "maybe" and "could be credibility issues" and the like, so no matter what happens they kinda predicted it.
Just my observations, of course - but every case I've seen, the commentators are always talking how everything is not so good, no matter who, no matter what the case, no matter what side they're talking about.
What am I missing on her testimony? What is the significance of how long it took for the couple to come in and then depart?
I need a drink, well, need to start drinking I guess. DUH?
Why is it everytime Bryson is finished he makes himself sound victorious.!
He's grated on me from the first time I heard his voice.
Details
10-01-2008, 06:20 PM
So - this is the first rebuttal witness? What a little trivial point! Necessary I guess to establish the timeline - but really, I think they made this point before.
I like Det Caldwell - excellent witness.
cherylt
10-01-2008, 06:25 PM
AP reporter Deutsch is now PART of the news in OJ trial - what a hoot!
Happy to be of help.
If you ever lose it again, just type in the letters: KTLA
into Google and KTLA's home webpage will come up.
Click on that and you will see an area titled: Simpson Trial Coverage
to click on.
Actually, I have made a folder in my favorites titled: COURT TRIALS
In that folder I put all my links to live streaming video of court trials (and other important websites relating to trials) no matter where in the country they come from.
TYVM - That's so helpful and now I know why I couldn't find the link - I use Firefox and I'd put it in my IE browser since it didn't work in Firefox (even with the instructions). Your gentle KNOCK on my pointy head sure helped!:beer:
So that's it for today???:shrug:
cherylt
10-01-2008, 06:27 PM
What's going on - another break @ 2:30? I'm a confused.
ETA (from legaledge) THE COURT IS IN RECESS UNTIL PHOTOCOPIES OF THE PHONE RECORDS DET. ANDY CALDWELL HAS BROUGHT TO COURT ARE MADE
watchu
10-01-2008, 06:34 PM
Wow... The defense team looks totally deflated....
cherylt
10-01-2008, 06:40 PM
HOW THE HECK did Beardsley get LD's phone number? I am quite sure it is not published!! He has some kind of connection...
What am I missing on her testimony? What is the significance of how long it took for the couple to come in and then depart?
I need a drink, well, need to start drinking I guess. DUH?
This is all about rebutting the timeline put forth by the defense earlier today.
This is all about rebutting the timeline put forth by the defense earlier today. TY Kara.
I'm surprised they're not calling Linda Deutsch.
september
10-01-2008, 06:50 PM
It sounds to me like the lovely AP reporter was acting as a go between for Simpson and Beasley.......wow talk about objective reporting. I guess Mr Simpson thought this would avoid records showing direct contact with Beazley. I wonder if all AP reporters are so compromised ?
September MOO
WHOA what was that? Mrs Scotto and witness tampering was kicked out of the prelim?
That was too funny - all the ooohs and awes - moans and groans.
How many lawyers does it take to talk to a judge?
Are there 10 layers there????
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