Wednesday, 10/1 DAY 107

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning sleuthies.

[Regina.Lampert]

Interesting comments from Leonard Padilla last night on Nancy Grace:


PADILLA: Cindy put her hands around Casey`s throat and practically choked her out that night. It scared the hell out of Casey. It had never happened before.

GRACE: Why?

PADILLA: Because of the money she stole from her parents. She was so upset about that, that she just could not control herself, and if you listen to George, he`ll tell you, he lives -- he lives with a controlling woman and a controlling daughter.

GRACE: Now, where did you get the information that she actually put her hands around mom Casey`s throat?

PADILLA: You can ask Casey`s brother, Lee. He`ll tell you.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/30/ng.01.html

So, it was lee who revealed the choking incident. During this show Dr. Kobilinsky said that chloroform DOES NOT remove or degrade DNA.

Very interesting to me that all the attorneys, defense and prosecutors on last night's show felt that Zenaida Gonzoles has an excellent civil case against casey anthony. Zenaida is also on the witness list, along with over 80 other people.

[Regina.Lampert]

:seeya: Hi Jo! Sure seems like everyday they release another nugget of information to the public and we seem to be moving towards something. I thought over 80 witnesses was a lot for a trial about child neglect and lying to police.

[Kathlb]

Good Morning everyone! I hope for more news today that we are getting closer to a charge. I noticed yesterday and last night that Nancy, her producers, etc. all had a printed list of the people on the witness list. I wonder when we'll get it or if we will?

[n/t]

Good Morning!

I wish NG would have another forensics expert on her show to debunk or confirm Dr. K's opinions. I'm not sure I totally believe what he has to say anymore. Does anyone here know if what he said is true about the chloroform?

As for LP, well....I think y'all know my thoughts on him by now. lol.

[Kathlb]

Good Morning!

I wish NG would have another forensics expert on her show to debunk or confirm Dr. K's opinions. I'm not sure I totally believe what he has to say anymore. Does anyone here know if what he said is true about the chloroform?

As for LP, well....I think y'all know my thoughts on him by now. lol.

Yeah, I'd say ol' Kobe's input is a "teeeny" bit slanted now. :no: Not that he was wrong on the chloroform, he was probably right or he wouldn't have stated it on natl. tv. MOO :-)

[n/t]

Yeah, I'd say ol' Kobe's input is a "teeeny" bit slanted now. :no: Not that he was wrong on the chloroform, he was probably right or he wouldn't have stated it on natl. tv. MOO :-)

I believe chloroform is used to extract DNA but what happens after. Is the DNA degraded, compromised and/or destroyed? Only because he said it on TV doesn't necessarily make it true. He could be saying it for a reason and that's to defend whatever may have taken place in the trunk of that car when the Anthonys had possession of it.

I'd love another expert opinion.

[n/t]

After all the debauchery on the part of the" expert" witnesses in the Spector trial, I find it difficult to believe these people. IE Henry Lee, Mike Baden. Opinions CAN be bought.:no:


:rose:Caylee, not forgotten by some


Exactly........

[n/t]

Arggghhh, that was the end of MY innocence, that trial w/ all the bought and paid for experts. Lost some faith in judicial system and I sure would like to be able to put it back up there on its pedestal where it used to be for me...

You know, we keep hearing how the Anthonys are broke, blah blah and have no money. I believe it was mentioned again on NG last night when they discussed the civil suit.

So, who's paying these people? The lawyers, Dr. K?

[day2day]

:shrug:Good morning everyone!:seeya:
I have been up since 4 am. Early report day for this girl-so between reports i have been reading ..reading and readin more on this case.
Two more things I have read -REALLY bother me.
The first(and i will search for a link)....Has anyone heard Cindy mention that George had worked in the backyard and his hands were BLEEDING?
Now -why o WHY would she even MENTION something like that? i was looking at pics of the backyard search and there was ALOT of little flags out there. Im just wondering WHAT they found there.

The second thing that bothers me (this morning)-A member of a message board contacted Noreen Renier. Noreen seemed as though she was willing to help-Cindy called and she asked for newspaper articles-an item of Casey's and an item of Caylee's. Cindy refused to send her anything. Now WHY in the world would she ask for someones help and then refuse to help THEM? BTW according to the email she has offered her services for free to the OCSO


jmo

[k_can004]

After all the debauchery on the part of the" expert" witnesses in the Spector trial, I find it difficult to believe these people. IE Henry Lee, Mike Baden. Opinions CAN be bought.:no:


:rose:Caylee, not forgotten by some


ITA..... Goodmorning all!!!

[GrannyB]

When Greta went to the Anthony's is when Cindy was telling us about George working in the yard and his hands bleeding.

Same reason she was a nasty b**ch to Tim.

[day2day]

When Greta went to the Anthony's is when Cindy was telling us about George working in the yard and his hands bleeding.

Same reason she was a nasty b**ch to Tim.

So we can assume that they found George's blood in the backyard? I worry about these folks . Really.
And yes- i think that Cindy goes through the motions -and then when she realizes -SOMEONE is going to find the "truth"..she ends it RIGHT then and there.
What she fails to realize is-the truth WILL come out-soon. jmo

[day2day]

Where did that info come from, d2d? About Noreen Reiner? Isn't she a psychic? Some people think they are quacks. I never heard that story. :shrug:

Noreen is a psychic. I have really never heard of a psychic solving a case -but heck at this point i'm not sure it could hurt. A girl posted an email that she had recieved from Noreen -and her offer to help (free of charge). Ona place i can't mention here :(...

And George bleeding -they said was from Cindy's interview on Gretta..i am going to see if i can find the transcripts now.

Mornin Savannah-have a cup of tea with me! :seeya:

[GrannyB]

So we can assume that they found George's blood in the backyard? I worry about these folks . Really.
And yes- i think that Cindy goes through the motions -and then when she realizes -SOMEONE is going to find the "truth"..she ends it RIGHT then and there.
What she fails to realize is-the truth WILL come out-soon. jmo

IIRC she was trying to explain why the dogs hit in the back yard. IMO Cindy's time is almost up.

[jammies]

Good Morning.......I believe he is right that it will not degrade DNA.....BUT will it clean?.......Could someone have thought it might grabbed it in a hurry to clean and deodorise that trunk needing something strong....and threw some extra in for good measure. ANOTHER nugget we found out on NG the reporter w/ the red hair said neighbors saw them.......did not say who.......cleaning the car.

As far as what Lenny said.......well he`s a lawyer also and I find it hard to believe he would say that bringing Lee in to it. Also Lenny had several days in there where not much was moving on the bail out......he could of changed his mind at any minute so Lee was probably cooperating as much as possible w/ security issues and just blurted it out not knowing just how BAD that sounds for Casey. Lenny is slick and probably had all kinds of Q`s pertaining to security and who knows what else he learned. Pretty Slick indeed.......

I have to run but read the last few post by Stef (rest of her name escapes me) from last night it was probably in last 4 pages last night......And she came up with a real good theory of the flurry of calls. If I can find her name I wll be right back with it.......


I like the theory that the phone calls were not because something happened to Caylee/cry for help. She would never admit to hurting Caylee esp. a few short hours after the big blow up between her and Mommy Dearest. She had JUST left in a huff.

BUT I also don't believe she was calling her parents to watch Caylee either basically for the same reasons. She took off with that baby and I can't see her begging her parents for babysitter duty right after Cindy supposedly tried to strangle her. :shrug:

[Katt2]

You know, we keep hearing how the Anthonys are broke, blah blah and have no money. I believe it was mentioned again on NG last night when they discussed the civil suit.

So, who's paying these people? The lawyers, Dr. K?

I don't know the particulars in this case but there are some "experts" and lawyers who will do it just for the notoriety in high profile cases.

[SavannahStar]

Noreen is a psychic. I have really never heard of a psychic solving a case -but heck at this point i'm not sure it could hurt. A girl posted an email that she had recieved from Noreen -and her offer to help (free of charge). Ona place i can't mention here :(...

And George bleeding -they said was from Cindy's interview on Gretta..i am going to see if i can find the transcripts now.

Mornin Savannah-have a cup of tea with me! :seeya:

Good mornin' d2d...and all! :seeya: A cup of tea sounds nice.

Yes, I think if I had a missing child I would leave no stone unturned, I agree it wouldn't hurt.

See you later, I'm off to work.....

[GrannyB]

I like the theory that the phone calls were not because something happened to Caylee/cry for help. She would never admit to hurting Caylee esp. a few short hours after the big blow up between her and Mommy Dearest. She had JUST left in a huff.

BUT I also don't believe she was calling her parents to watch Caylee either basically for the same reasons. She took off with that baby and I can't see her begging her parents for babysitter duty right after Cindy supposedly tried to strangle her. :shrug:

Or maybe she left the night before, came home and no one was there. She wondered where they were and where was Caylee and started calling to find out. I don't recall anyone ever saying she left. In fact Cindy and George claim she was there.

[warrkat]

I remember when Cindy said that George had cut his hands in the yard. My impression at the time was that she didn't really understand what a cadaver dog does. She also said that there had been wet diapers in the trunk, and the dogs might be hitting on that odor. IMO, she was just trying to make an explanation for whatever the dogs might find, not knowing that those particular dogs are only used to detect death (decomp).

[day2day]

Good mornin' d2d...and all! :seeya: A cup of tea sounds nice.

Yes, I think if I had a missing child I would leave no stone unturned, I agree it wouldn't hurt.

See you later, I'm off to work.....

Be safe Savannah-see you soon!:seeya:

[~jomomma~]

that's interesting about her mentioning his hands bleeding!!! and the flags, i'll have to check those pics out. obviously, points of interest?

[GrannyB]

I remember when Cindy said that George had cut his hands in the yard. My impression at the time was that she didn't really understand what a cadaver dog does. She also said that there had been wet diapers in the trunk, and the dogs might be hitting on that odor. IMO, she was just trying to make an explanation for whatever the dogs might find, not knowing that those particular dogs are only used to detect death (decomp).

My problem with thinking she didn't know is our nurse of
decomposition told us it was pizza and she knew that was a lie.

[day2day]

I remember when Cindy said that George had cut his hands in the yard. My impression at the time was that she didn't really understand what a cadaver dog does. She also said that there had been wet diapers in the trunk, and the dogs might be hitting on that odor. IMO, she was just trying to make an explanation for whatever the dogs might find, not knowing that those particular dogs are only used to detect death (decomp).

I am still reading Greta transcripts-lordy! That backyard scares me. There are many places that Caylee could have been hid there. Sandbox, playhouse, shed. And i agree -maybe Cindy (like the diapers) was just throwing things out there hoping SOMETHING would stick-.jmo

[~jomomma~]

IIRC she was trying to explain why the dogs hit in the back yard. IMO Cindy's time is almost up.

oh yeah........

[jammies]

Or maybe she left the night before, came home and no one was there. She wondered where they were and where was Caylee and started calling to find out. I don't recall anyone ever saying she left. In fact Cindy and George claim she was there.


Do we know where the phone calls originated? Did the cell phone towers show she was at home? (sorry, not up on the tower pings)

[Ladyhawk]

Here's what I found on chloroform and DNA degradation.

http://books.google.com/books?id=MkO7KK4ezmMC&pg=PA13&lpg=PA13&dq=does+chloroform+degrade+dna&source=web&ots=Na8xw4KlKJ&sig=MnLIJxWp56-rbR9ezusLtoA7qdo&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result

"Efficient DNA extraction procedures, as well as accurate DNA quantification methods, are critical steps involved in the process of successful DNA analysis of such samples. The phenol-chloroform method is a sensitive method for the extraction of DNA from a wide variety of forensic samples, although it is known to be laborious compared with singletube extraction methods."

This leads me to think that cloroform does not degrade the sample otherwise they wouldn't use it.

Then there is this...
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=19949700

"The degradation activity was lost on pretreatment of the DNA with a phenol-chloroform mixture, and the activity was recovered by pretreatment with a mixture of DMSO and a buffer containing surfactants. Mn2+, Co2+, Ni2+, Cu2+, Zn2+, and Cd2+, as transition element metal ions, were effective as to the degradation into dNMP."

This leads me to think that cloroform actually stops the degradation process.

All of the above is for what it's worth but all I could easily find that I can understand.

[jammies]

that's interesting about her mentioning his hands bleeding!!! and the flags, i'll have to check those pics out. obviously, points of interest?


Yes, she said something about him bleeding all over the yard, iirc.

She has an answer for everything.

[SandyO]

Does anyone know if Casey is still spending long hours at Baez' office during the week? I have always thought the purpose of that was to keep Cindy and Casey separated as much as possible, but Casey must be grating on the nerves of any and all the office employees.

[GrannyB]

Do we know where the phone calls originated? Did the cell phone towers show she was at home? (sorry, not up on the tower pings)


I haven't had to energy to try and figure out the pings.
She could have been just calling to say she was coming home.
I just throwing it out there.

[GrannyB]

Does anyone know if Casey is still spending long hours at Baez' office during the week? I have always thought the purpose of that was to keep Cindy and Casey separated as much as possible, but Casey must be grating on the nerves of any and all the office employees.

I really don't recall it being mentioned. Seems like LE threw out so much info that has everyone looking at Cindy.

I wonder why they did that?:shrug:

[day2day]

that's interesting about her mentioning his hands bleeding!!! and the flags, i'll have to check those pics out. obviously, points of interest?

I have been trying to figure out why there are two colors of flags in the yard. I have searched everything and can't find out why!! And it would be my belief there was something there of interest to them-i wish i knew WHAT...jmo

[bluwaters]

Please light a Candle for Caylee

click any unlit candle to begin

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:

[SandyO]

I really don't recall it being mentioned. Seems like LE threw out so much info that has everyone looking at Cindy.

I wonder why they did that?:shrug:

I don't think Cindy is guilty of anything other than scrambling like crazy to create cover stories for Casey after-the-fact. Casey is the 'evil genius' in all of this, and I just have to have faith that LE "knows" what they're doing. I sure do hope so.

[Ladyhawk]

I have been trying to figure out why there are two colors of flags in the yard. I have searched everything and can't find out why!! And it would be my belief there was something there of interest to them-i wish i knew WHAT...jmo

Were there two dogs on one day or one dog on two days? If it was two dogs on one day, maybe each dog had it's own colored flag.

[day2day]

Were there two dogs on one day or one dog on two days? If it was two dogs on one day, maybe each dog had it's own colored flag.

Ladyhawk-
That is a great question. I have no clue?
Here is a pic of the backyard..
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa85/melissp26/backyard.jpg

[VII]

Having read Steff's theory last night, I had another thought ...
Tony is in on this.
Instead of Casey keeping Caylee sedated in the trunk, she had her sedated at Tony's place.
HE helped her figure out what to do w/the body and etc...

There was something about his interview w/LE that just didn't sit right w/me.
I'll have to read it again, later.

Just another thought.

[Regina.Lampert]

N/T, I have always respected Lawrence Kobilinsky and still do, altho he has gone over to the dark side. I doubt very much he is going to damage his career by stating an opinion on chloroform that isn't true, especially for casey anthony. I think his role in this case is to advise baez, who hasn't a clue about dna.

Noreen Reiner, there's a blast from the past. This is the psychic jackie peterson sent items to in the scott peterson case. Reiner told her Laci was dead and that was the end of that relationship. Looks like ole cynthia isn't going down that road.

Another peterson simularity: "We're men, we bleed" - SP, and cynthia's remarks about george's bloodletting in the yard. Rubbish to try and explain the unexplainable of the cadaver dogs hitting in that yard, imo.

[GrannyB]

I have been trying to figure out why there are two colors of flags in the yard. I have searched everything and can't find out why!! And it would be my belief there was something there of interest to them-i wish i knew WHAT...jmo

What colors were they?

[summer4meplz]

Having read Steff's theory last night, I had another thought ...
Tony is in on this.
Instead of Casey keeping Caylee sedated in the trunk, she had her sedated at Tony's place.
HE helped her figure out what to do w/the body and etc...

There was something about his interview w/LE that just didn't sit right w/me.
I'll have to read it again, later.

Just another thought.


Isn't Tony one of her friends that took and passed a lie detector test? I personally, don't feel tonyL is involved....why would he do something like that for a girl he had only known a few weeks.....

oh, and GOOD MORNING!!

[Leanne Weich]

:shrug:Good morning everyone!:seeya:
I have been up since 4 am. Early report day for this girl-so between reports i have been reading ..reading and readin more on this case.
Two more things I have read -REALLY bother me.
The first(and i will search for a link)....Has anyone heard Cindy mention that George had worked in the backyard and his hands were BLEEDING?
Now -why o WHY would she even MENTION something like that? i was looking at pics of the backyard search and there was ALOT of little flags out there. Im just wondering WHAT they found there.

The second thing that bothers me (this morning)-A member of a message board contacted Noreen Renier. Noreen seemed as though she was willing to help-Cindy called and she asked for newspaper articles-an item of Casey's and an item of Caylee's. Cindy refused to send her anything. Now WHY in the world would she ask for someones help and then refuse to help THEM? BTW according to the email she has offered her services for free to the OCSO


jmo

If the Anthonys followed or researched the S Peterson case, they will likely not accept help from Noreen, imo. Noreen was called in by, I believe, Jackie Peterson and was given an almost new shoe by Scott who, probably thought, Noreen wouldn't pick anything up. She, apparently, knew Scott killed Laci and sent a report to LE and the Petersons. JMO as I'm too lazy to try to find a link right now.

[day2day]

What colors were they?

looks like red/yellow?

[VII]

Isn't Tony one of her friends that took and passed a lie detector test? I personally, don't feel tonyL is involved....why would he do something like that for a girl he had only known a few weeks.....

oh, and GOOD MORNING!!

Good Morning to you too :seeya:
Well, I have no faith in lie detector tests, perhaps he popped a xanex prior to the test and that helped.
Whyyyyyy would he help her? The child died in his apartment, he felt somewhat involved because of that
and apparently
Casey can convince some that the sky is green.

[day2day]

If the Anthonys followed or researched the S Peterson case, they will likely not accept help from Noreen, imo. Noreen was called in by, I believe, Jackie Peterson and was given an almost new shoe by Scott who, probably thought, Noreen wouldn't pick anything up. She, apparently, knew Scott killed Laci and sent a report to LE and the Petersons. JMO as I'm too lazy to try to find a link right now.

Thanks Leanne-very cool. I bet Jackie was kicking herself for that. I just don't see why Cindy would even call if she wasn't willing to cooperate? But then since Granny shook my brain-its sort of like calling in Tim and then "biting him"...jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

Do we know where the phone calls originated? Did the cell phone towers show she was at home? (sorry, not up on the tower pings)

Morning J. WS has done some intensive research on those cell phone calls, interesting theories. For example, on 6/27 the day she supposedly ran out of gas and left the car at Amscot, it appears she was travelling all over the place prior to that. The call to Tony to pick her up at Amscot, appears to have been made from THE ANTHONY RESIDENCE. Interesting in that she did have food items with her when Lazarro picked her up at Amscot.

Some are theorizing it was Jesse Grund who was driving her around.

[summer4meplz]

Good Morning to you too :seeya:
Well, I have no faith in lie detector tests, perhaps he popped a xanex prior to the test and that helped.
Whyyyyyy would he help her? The child died in his apartment, he felt somewhat involved because of that
and apparently
Casey can convince some that the sky is green.


The child died in his apartment?? Wow, I hadn't heard that, is that new and breaking news or a theory? tia

[SandyO]

I DO have belief in polygraphy (at least for 99% of the population - I realize there are a few who can "fool" it); and I DO have faith in cadaver dogs. I don't have much faith in psychics, and from what I've been reading for months now I think many right here on this board are as good as any psychic.

[kakax]

:shrug:Good morning everyone!:seeya:
I have been up since 4 am. Early report day for this girl-so between reports i have been reading ..reading and readin more on this case.
Two more things I have read -REALLY bother me.
The first(and i will search for a link)....Has anyone heard Cindy mention that George had worked in the backyard and his hands were BLEEDING?
Now -why o WHY would she even MENTION something like that? i was looking at pics of the backyard search and there was ALOT of little flags out there. Im just wondering WHAT they found there.

The second thing that bothers me (this morning)-A member of a message board contacted Noreen Renier. Noreen seemed as though she was willing to help-Cindy called and she asked for newspaper articles-an item of Casey's and an item of Caylee's. Cindy refused to send her anything. Now WHY in the world would she ask for someones help and then refuse to help THEM? BTW according to the email she has offered her services for free to the OCSO


jmo

Good morning, my friend:seeya:

Hey did you know that it is help the slow day? Who is Noreen LOL!!

[klock777]

Lat night on NG, when they were showing snipets of Cindy interview with LE - there was a part I have not seen. It was when the detective was leaning over and holding her hand - which I had seen in Part II video - BUT he was talking about the smell in the car, the squirrels, George using the car - hitting something - etc
I don't remember this part. The last part of Part II that I saw was the detective telling her she needed to be on their side and quit telling the media.....
Is there another part to the interview I missed? Is there a part III? I know on GA and Cindy interview videos that I watched, they did not come to and end - like with them leaving the room and saying goodbye or anything.
Anyone know?

[martha]

Morning J. WS has done some intensive research on those cell phone calls, interesting theories. For example, on 6/27 the day she supposedly ran out of gas and left the car at Amscot, it appears she was travelling all over the place prior to that. The call to Tony to pick her up at Amscot, appears to have been made from THE ANTHONY RESIDENCE. Interesting in that she did have food items with her when Lazarro picked her up at Amscot.

Some are theorizing it was Jesse Grund who was driving her around.
I sure hope if Jesse Grund was driving her around he has told le that. So far I have believed him and what he has told. I sure hope he has nothing to do with this case. I think he is mighty lucky to have gotten away from casey. casey is nothing but trouble to everyone she is around. jmho:rose:

[bballgrl]

OMG :eek: Day 107 - How incredibley sad. I really want to see some justice for Caylee and an end to the Anthony gang games!

[jammies]

Morning J. WS has done some intensive research on those cell phone calls, interesting theories. For example, on 6/27 the day she supposedly ran out of gas and left the car at Amscot, it appears she was travelling all over the place prior to that. The call to Tony to pick her up at Amscot, appears to have been made from THE ANTHONY RESIDENCE. Interesting in that she did have food items with her when Lazarro picked her up at Amscot.

Some are theorizing it was Jesse Grund who was driving her around.


Thanks, Regina. I've read some of the research on the towers/pings but didn't know what the 16th showed.

Still trying to figure out if she left on the 15th WITH Caylee, or if we believe GA, she left the 16th with Caylee. Did she leave 15th w/o Caylee and come back?


Too many variables! I want it NAILED down! lol

[kakax]

Ladyhawk-
That is a great question. I have no clue?
Here is a pic of the backyard..
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa85/melissp26/backyard.jpg

I haven't seen that picture...but I bet it's an important one.

BTW, it looks like that detective is relieving himself in the bushes...rofl. I can't help it, it's early and my coffee got cold...haven't had a full cup yet.

[day2day]

Good morning, my friend:seeya:

Hey did you know that it is help the slow day? Who is Noreen LOL!!

Mornin my friend..LOL always willing to help (when i can). Noreen is a "psychic detective". She either had her own show or appeared on a show called Physic Detectives on CTV. :seeya:

[msgatorslayer]

G'morning, all.

This may have been discussed lastnight but I wasn't here. I wish NG would have asked more about this...

'PIERCE: The car was towed in late June, and the Anthonys didn`t get it back until mid-July, I think the day of or the day before they called the police. But there certainly was time to clean out the car. As a matter of fact, we`ve heard some reports that neighbors say that they saw it.'

Neighbors say they saw it? The clean up of the car? In this time frame? After the Anthony's picked it up and prior to LE taking it?

I've heard the reports of a neighbor seeing Casey back up into the garage prior to her dumping it at Amscot. But never anything about neighbors witnessing any cleaning of the car after the Anthony's picked it up.:shrug:

[kakax]

Thanks, Regina. I've read some of the research on the towers/pings but didn't know what the 16th showed.

Still trying to figure out if she left on the 15th WITH Caylee, or if we believe GA, she left the 16th with Caylee. Did she leave 15th w/o Caylee and come back?


Too many variables! I want it NAILED down! lol



Steff has done alot of research on this day. She believes the phone calls around 3 up until 4 something were calls from home. She also believes that Casey was with Tone at blockbuster in the photos...I believe they were at 8 o'clock without Caylee.

[day2day]

I haven't seen that picture...but I bet it's an important one.

BTW, it looks like that detective is relieving himself in the bushes...rofl. I can't help it, it's early and my coffee got cold...haven't had a full cup yet.

LOL mylord...i think he is "digging"..!! The flags are certainly giving us a pattern. And i think Ladyhawk might be right-each dog has his own color? :shrug:

[VII]

The child died in his apartment?? Wow, I hadn't heard that, is that new and breaking news or a theory? tia

THEORY :eek:

[kakax]

G'morning, all.

This may have been discussed lastnight but I wasn't here. I wish NG would have asked more about this...

'PIERCE: The car was towed in late June, and the Anthonys didn`t get it back until mid-July, I think the day of or the day before they called the police. But there certainly was time to clean out the car. As a matter of fact, we`ve heard some reports that neighbors say that they saw it.'

Neighbors say they saw it? The clean up of the car? In this time frame? After the Anthony's picked it up and prior to LE taking it?

I've heard the reports of a neighbor seeing Casey back up into the garage prior to her dumping it at Amscot. But never anything about neighbors witnessing any cleaning of the car after the Anthony's picked it up.:shrug:

It certainly would be new information to us all that neighbors saw them cleaning the car after they picked it up from the tow yard! Hope she will discuss it more tonigiht.

[steffaroob4]

Morning,
I am reading the text messages (http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/10/) from Casey to Amy, there is a life time of them, unbelieveable.

[kakax]

LOL mylord...i think he is "digging"..!! The flags are certainly giving us a pattern. And i think Ladyhawk might be right-each dog has his own color? :shrug:



What part of the backyard is this? Does anyone have a mapping of the backyard. I may work on that this morning....an outline of what the backyard looks like. I think there are more aerial pics somewhere.

[Amy]

You know, we keep hearing how the Anthonys are broke, blah blah and have no money. I believe it was mentioned again on NG last night when they discussed the civil suit.

So, who's paying these people? The lawyers, Dr. K?

They have those book/movie/photo-op plans. No matter how the case ends up, they will have $$ coming in for those. There should be some bucks around to pay the lawyers. Oh, and don't forget their national exposure. I am sure they are counting on the publicity. Advertising they don't have to pay for.

Dr K isn't someone they hired, he is part of NG's scene. I don't know if the TH's go on those shows for exposure, to get their names up there, or if the show pays them for their "expertise."

[summer4meplz]

THEORY :eek:


ok, thanks, lol...do you think that was on the 16th?..since i don't KNOW what happened....I still stand by just my feeling that tonyl wouldn't risk his entire life to help someone cover up the death of a child...especially someone he was trying to distance himself from...imo

[martha]

I haven't seen that picture...but I bet it's an important one.

BTW, it looks like that detective is relieving himself in the bushes...rofl. I can't help it, it's early and my coffee got cold...haven't had a full cup yet.
I thought the same thing about the detective relieving himself.ha. is this a new picture or is it one they took a long time ago? jmho:rose:

[msgatorslayer]

It certainly would be new information to us all that neighbors saw them cleaning the car after they picked it up from the tow yard! Hope she will discuss it more tonigiht.

Maybe I'm reading to much into how it was phrased. But I was :eek: when I heard her say that lastnight. And Mr. Gator was on the puter so I couldn't come here, lol.

[steffaroob4]

Argh, she is complaining (http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/ocso_amy_text_messages.pdf) about waiting for her parents to come home on May 3rd, so she can go out. (page 18)

[summer4meplz]

Good Morning All. I'm been reading here for a while and finally decided to register because today is my first day in the world of unemployment. I hope we will have news today. :seeya:


welcome keysbreeze....florida keys? how can you stand those bridges...i am rather bridge phobic myself...lol...and yes, I hope we will have news today too!!

[day2day]

Does anyone know if Casey is still spending long hours at Baez' office during the week? I have always thought the purpose of that was to keep Cindy and Casey separated as much as possible, but Casey must be grating on the nerves of any and all the office employees.

Mornin SandyO
I haven't seen her schedule this week. I am sure they are all sick of her and are counting the days til she is arrested too! LOL..j/k jmo

[SandyO]

ok, thanks, lol...do you think that was on the 16th?..since i don't KNOW what happened....I still stand by just my feeling that tonyl wouldn't risk his entire life to help someone cover up the death of a child...especially someone he was trying to distance himself from...imo

I think you just hit the nail on the head there. Because we don't know what happened --- we just know that it DID happen --- we can easily be pulled into the Anthony scheme of involving others in this crime. I firmly believe this was all at the hands of Casey, and no one else.

[day2day]

Maybe I'm reading to much into how it was phrased. But I was :eek: when I heard her say that lastnight. And Mr. Gator was on the puter so I couldn't come here, lol.

oh cmon gatorgirl..
play along with me for a sec. mr gator is now ex-le-you are a nurse!
Your daughter and gdaughter have been missing for 31 days and you get the car back and it smells like a dead body has been in there. You mean YOU wouldn't park the car in the driveaway and clean it out in front of God and everybody? And then claim ignorance? ..hammer

[nc1948]

You know, we keep hearing how the Anthonys are broke, blah blah and have no money. I believe it was mentioned again on NG last night when they discussed the civil suit.

So, who's paying these people? The lawyers, Dr. K?

I am nosey, I want to know who is paying their mortgage/lights/phone/food/gas. Hey, those things cost and have to be paid monthly. Where are they getting the money for living expenses?

[ellegna]

I am still reading Greta transcripts-lordy! That backyard scares me. There are many places that Caylee could have been hid there. Sandbox, playhouse, shed. And i agree -maybe Cindy (like the diapers) was just throwing things out there hoping SOMETHING would stick-.jmo

Good morning all :seeya:

Greta at the Anthony home
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMDQzXM4zU&feature=related

Cindy appeared as a guest on LKL. Cindy asked the guest coroner Dr. Daniel Spitz if cadaver dogs would hit on sweat. He said no.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi1W6Aoly3I&feature=related

[msgatorslayer]

What part of the backyard is this? Does anyone have a mapping of the backyard. I may work on that this morning....an outline of what the backyard looks like. I think there are more aerial pics somewhere.

It's the right corner of the backyard. The bamboo is along the fence line. And the clear area of dirt that has the flags, IMO, looks so empty, that I think thats where the hibiscus bush was that George clams to have dug out. There are better pics of it somewhere.

[steffaroob4]

Steff has done alot of research on this day. She believes the phone calls around 3 up until 4 something were calls from home. She also believes that Casey was with Tone at blockbuster in the photos...I believe they were at 8 o'clock without Caylee.

I have come to believe she was home with Caylee on the 15th in the evening. I think in the fight on the 15th Cindy refused to watch Caylee. She is hitting the towers near her house the 15th and the morning of the 16th. I believe GA saw them.

[summer4meplz]

Argh, she is complaining (http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/ocso_amy_text_messages.pdf) about waiting for her parents to come home on May 3rd, so she can go out. (page 18)


Steff, good morning and what do you think all those blacked out parts are?

[day2day]

Good morning all :seeya:

Greta at the Anthony home
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMDQzXM4zU&feature=related

Cindy appeared as a guest on LKL. Cindy asked the guest coroner Dr. Daniel Spitz if cadaver dogs would hit on sweat. He said no.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi1W6Aoly3I&feature=related

Thanks for the links ! Man she has an itchy nose. Sweat my arse LOL

[day2day]

I think so, too ..

I think we will all be surprised to find out the real truth. JMO

[SandyO]

Yes, Florida Keys. Now that I have time on my hands I'm going to go through Casey's phone records and put them in an Excel Spreadsheet so I can make sense of them. It is quite a task because that girl never stops talking.

WOW, that would be great, and I'd love to see it when it's ready. If you can do that, you won't be unemployed for long, though!

[steffaroob4]

Steff, good morning and what do you think all those blacked out parts are?

These are from Amy's phone, so they must be from her family/friends. Casey deleted all her messages from her phone

[day2day]

:lol:

You're right! hehehehehehe :D

Yanno-you both are SO bad. Psssssssssssssst they might be reading here!:lol:

[steffaroob4]

26+ pages of texts (http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/ocso_amy_text_messages.pdf) to Amy and NO mention of Caylee, yet. However she is complaining about waiting for parents to come, doesn't bother to mention the baby, tho.

[msgatorslayer]

oh cmon gatorgirl..
play along with me for a sec. mr gator is now ex-le-you are a nurse!
Your daughter and gdaughter have been missing for 31 days and you get the car back and it smells like a dead body has been in there. You mean YOU wouldn't park the car in the driveaway and clean it out in front of God and everybody? And then claim ignorance? ..hammer

If I was George, yeah, probably. Since he details all the family cars on a weekly basis it would be normal for people to see him cleaning.

But then I have to wonder why the neighbors even gave it a second thought that he was cleaning.

[day2day]

26+ pages of texts (http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/ocso_amy_text_messages.pdf) to Amy and NO mention of Caylee, yet. However she is complaining about waiting for parents to come, doesn't bother to mention the baby, tho.

Steff
That is very sad. Of course it is my opinion..with Casey -it is out of sight out of mind. :(
I hope she rots. jmo:flamemad:

[summer4meplz]

If I was George, yeah, probably. Since he details all the family cars on a weekly basis it would be normal for people to see him cleaning.

But then I have to wonder why the neighbors even gave it a second thought that he was cleaning.


Maybe because they said the anthonyS...it might have been unusual to see them both cleaning out casey's car....imo...

[day2day]

If I was George, yeah, probably. Since he details all the family cars on a weekly basis it would be normal for people to see him cleaning.

But then I have to wonder why the neighbors even gave it a second thought that he was cleaning.

How could they stand the smell?! I wonder if they cleaned it before or after they called LE?! But you are right..I wonder why the neighbors would take notice-unless it smelled THAT bad?!

[BJames]

Good morning all :)

For what it's worth I listened to George's interview one more time this morning, I so get the feeling that he isn't privy to the 5 star security information clearance in that family unit. Either that or he and his wife have serious communication issues, but I do get the feeling that he is telling the truth as he knows it in those recordings.
Has anyone looked on the map at where George says he followed Casey in Cindy's vehicle and she took an off ramp and then he lost track of her? I believe him...I'm just wondering where she was going?
He knew Casey was lying to them...and when cornered she got nasty..ie/ the gas can fiasco when she didn't want him to look in the trunk. I wonder what was in there? Maybe food from the house?
And where was Caylee?...Not with the 'nanny' and not with Cindy and not with Casey...?

Just my opinion of course...

[SandyO]

Cindy is guilty of consistantly lying to LE, lawyers, the media, etc ..

Oh, I agree about that. I meant to imply that I do not believe Cindy had anything to do with the murder of Caylee.

[day2day]

“Ended up attracting some miscreants and criminals who are some of the people who are showing up,” said NeJame. “I won't dignify them by calling them protesters. They were agitators, and unfortunately and sadly, they just thought it was best for them and their neighbors and their community not to do them at their home anymore.”

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/30/anthony_family_moves_prayer_vigils_to_church.html

For a minute i thought he was talkin bout his clients!:punch:

jmo

[msgatorslayer]

Maybe because they said the anthonyS...it might have been unusual to see them both cleaning out casey's car....imo...

Good point. Both of them cleaning would be odd. Even more so if a neighbor walking by noticed the stench. Or that the Anthony's were taking a long time to clean it.

[summer4meplz]

How could they stand the smell?! I wonder if they cleaned it before or after they called LE?! But you are right..I wonder why the neighbors would take notice-unless it smelled THAT bad?!


iirc....they cleaned the car, found amy's number, then went to get casey...then called le....i may be wrong...too many details to remember about this case..

[desmom]

I remember when Cindy said that George had cut his hands in the yard. My impression at the time was that she didn't really understand what a cadaver dog does. She also said that there had been wet diapers in the trunk, and the dogs might be hitting on that odor. IMO, she was just trying to make an explanation for whatever the dogs might find, not knowing that those particular dogs are only used to detect death (decomp).

I remember seeing her on a couple of shows attempting to discredit the cadaver dogs. She asked about sweat, blood and urine....and every time she would be told NO by a cadaver dog expert on the show.

When Cindy made the 911 call, I believe she was frightened.

Cindy has made statements leading the public to believe LE are morons. When documents are released, we learn Cindy twisted facts and her blah, blah to the media is not true.

What made her change? Did Casey confess to Cindy? Lee? George? Does the family know the truth?

jmo

[trich]

Cindy is guilty of consistantly lying to LE, lawyers, the media, etc ..

Oh I so agree!
Could throw in a little bit of destroying evidence also IMO and hindering prosecution.


Question:
If they could prove Cindy actually knowingly destroyed evidence
and Casey is charged and convicted of murder can not Cindy be
charged with being an accomplice after the fact?

[day2day]

iirc....they cleaned the car, found amy's number, then went to get casey...then called le....i may be wrong...too many details to remember about this case..

You're probly right summer. They got a good head start on LE thats for sure!

[kitty1182]

Wonder if this is this morning at the house.



http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

[kakax]

More pictures of backyard....

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/kakax02/41089069.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/kakax02/41089072.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/kakax02/41089096.jpg

And one of the front for good measure...

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/kakax02/caseyrun-2.gif

[marshmallow]

So we can assume that they found George's blood in the backyard? I worry about these folks . Really.
And yes- i think that Cindy goes through the motions -and then when she realizes -SOMEONE is going to find the "truth"..she ends it RIGHT then and there.
What she fails to realize is-the truth WILL come out-soon. jmo


Cindy seemed to want to make it appear they wanted help but for some reason she tried to stop the help before it started. Appearances are important to her, too important n my opinion.
She also seemed to have a ready answer for everything that might make her family look bad but when it came down to important answers, she drew a blank. That triggers my hinky meter.


I have a full pot of coffee and anyone who wants any is welcome. My son bought me coffee beans last night, he thought I needed a treat because of this weather and it wrecking havoc on my hands.

[kitty1182]

More pictures of backyard....

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/kakax02/41089069.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/kakax02/41089072.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/kakax02/41089096.jpg

And one of the front for good measure...

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/kakax02/caseyrun-2.gif



I just love the last one :D

[shelkobe]

I skipped a bunch of pages from last night's thread so I apologize if this has been mentioned, but relative to Det. Melich's posting on WS, it is not the first time this has happened while a case is ongoing.

In the Maria Lauterbach (pregnant marine) case, Capt. Rick Sutherland (Onslow county sheriff's office) was posting on the message board associated with the local (civilian) newspaper. In fact, through his reading those boards he was under the impression that Cesar Laurean, the suspected killer on the run, was visiting the site to keep abreast of the case. Sutherland requested the IP addresses of visitors to the site in order to narrow down where Laurean had fled to.

If I am remembering the facts wrong, someone feel free to correct me. I know some posters here were on that board also.

I see nothing wrong with Melich posting, but that's because I've already seen it happen in another case.

[kakax]

More pictures of backyard....

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/kakax02/41089069.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/kakax02/41089072.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/kakax02/41089096.jpg

And one of the front for good measure...

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/kakax02/caseyrun-2.gif



It looks like to me, they moved the sandbox...can you see the rectangle mulch that looks brighter than the other mulch? It had been raining that day, so the mulch under where the sandbox was wasn't wet.

[crymeariver2006]

I haven't seen that picture...but I bet it's an important one.

BTW, it looks like that detective is relieving himself in the bushes...rofl. I can't help it, it's early and my coffee got cold...haven't had a full cup yet.

He's got his hands in his pockets, but you did make me do a double take!

:D

Are ya'll saying those red things behind him are flags? If so, I'm not really liking the shape of those. :(

[steffaroob4]

Steff
That is very sad. Of course it is my opinion..with Casey -it is out of sight out of mind. :(
I hope she rots. jmo:flamemad:

It is disturbing, Caylee was at a great age. I played with my kids everyday, I was always on the floor of the living room or outside in the yard playing ball with them. She doesn't share any cute stories with her best friend??? I remember my son called his hockey/soccer net toy a funny name one day; he said, I want to play "hockers" (mixing the 2 words together), I must have told everyone I knew that day, it still makes me laugh 13 years later. I have so many great memories of that age, where are hers?

[GrannyB]

I haven't seen that picture...but I bet it's an important one.

BTW, it looks like that detective is relieving himself in the bushes...rofl. I can't help it, it's early and my coffee got cold...haven't had a full cup yet.

LOL that was my first thought also.

[kakax]

He's got his hands in his pockets, but you did make me do a double take!

:D

Are ya'll saying those red things behind him are flags? If so, I'm not really liking the shape of those. :(



Hee, hee that was my point. And I do see a shovel, so I'm sure he was digging. Just a little humor for the am.

[msgatorslayer]

You can tell by these pictures that at one time Caylee was #1 in the GPs lives.

You sure can. :(

[day2day]

Cindy seemed to want to make it appear they wanted help but for some reason she tried to stop the help before it started. Appearances are important to her, too important n my opinion.
She also seemed to have a ready answer for everything that might make her family look bad but when it came down to important answers, she drew a blank. That triggers my hinky meter.


I have a full pot of coffee and anyone who wants any is welcome. My son bought me coffee beans last night, he thought I needed a treat because of this weather and it wrecking havoc on my hands.

Mornin Marshmallow!
I agree so much with your observations of Cindy. She bugs me. For many reasons! I can't imagine calling someone and ASKING for their help and then when they agree-refusing to help THEM? Pfft. I hope she realizes this makes her look JUST as bad as her daughter.

Somethin else that bugs me-when she told Yuri-we GAVE you free reign...WHO does she think she is? They KNEW If they didn't they would just get a warrant.

I hope she gets a cell close to Casey's. jmo

Your son is a gem...*grabs my cup and heads on over* :) (hope your hands feel better)

[marshmallow]

Good morning all :)

For what it's worth I listened to George's interview one more time this morning, I so get the feeling that he isn't privy to the 5 star security information clearance in that family unit. Either that or he and his wife have serious communication issues, but I do get the feeling that he is telling the truth as he knows it in those recordings.
Just my opinion of course...




I think George is the odd man out in the family. It's as if Cindy ruled and ridiculed him and the kids followed suit. I feel the most sorry for him, of the accounted for family members. Caylee is the one I hurt for most but George seems to be the oddball in the house.

[Ladyhawk]

How could they stand the smell?! I wonder if they cleaned it before or after they called LE?! But you are right..I wonder why the neighbors would take notice-unless it smelled THAT bad?!

They could have put a big smear of Vicks on their upper lip to help cut down the stench when they breathed. What I would like to know is why some items were removed and some were left in the car. How did they decide what to leave in there? Was just a table knife, pants and papers removed? Was anything put into the car, like the Dora backpack? Did the backpack have anything in it?

[day2day]

Hee, hee that was my point. And I do see a shovel, so I'm sure he was digging. Just a little humor for the am.
SURE you enlarged it for closer inspection! :lol:

[crymeariver2006]

I skipped a bunch of pages from last night's thread so I apologize if this has been mentioned, but relative to Det. Melich's posting on WS, it is not the first time this has happened while a case is ongoing.

In the Maria Lauterbach (pregnant marine) case, Capt. Rick Sutherland (Onslow county sheriff's office) was posting on the message board associated with the local (civilian) newspaper. In fact, through his reading those boards he was under the impression that Cesar Laurean, the suspected killer on the run, was visiting the site to keep abreast of the case. Sutherland requested the IP addresses of visitors to the site in order to narrow down where Laurean had fled to.

If I am remembering the facts wrong, someone feel free to correct me. I know some posters here were on that board also.

I see nothing wrong with Melich posting, but that's because I've already seen it happen in another case.

You are correct. In fact on this board he was emailed a list of questions which he answered (or tried to) and the poster was given permission to post his email.

I haven't read the Yuri thread at the place we can't talk about, but from what I hear he's not answering any questions or discussing the case.

Rick Sutherland gave us way more information than what Yuri appears to be providing. And he did tell us if there was something they couldn't answer due to the investigation.

JMO though and all that jazz.

[GrannyB]

Steff has done alot of research on this day. She believes the phone calls around 3 up until 4 something were calls from home. She also believes that Casey was with Tone at blockbuster in the photos...I believe they were at 8 o'clock without Caylee.

So that means Cindy didn't hear the sleeping when she left for work, and George didn't see them leave when he was watching tv?

[kakax]

Is the pool on the opposite side of the yard from where the flags are?

[FrankieBones1]

Good Morning!

I wish NG would have another forensics expert on her show to debunk or confirm Dr. K's opinions. I'm not sure I totally believe what he has to say anymore. Does anyone here know if what he said is true about the chloroform?

As for LP, well....I think y'all know my thoughts on him by now. lol.

I think it might be a good idea to look at the transcripts of Nancy's show before he decided to go to the dark side and compare those to his words now.

[kakax]

So that means Cindy didn't hear the sleeping when she left for work, and George didn't see them leave when he was watching tv?

No, I think it means she was at home, like Steff said. I think she may have left before George left to make it appear she was going to work, but then came back after he left because she had no where else to go.

[kakax]

My son once at an early age after learning in Sunday school that God created everything...came running into the living room all excited because he had learned Gods name..and God himself had signed his toy.."made in china'...Gods name was CHINA....memories that last forever.

Awwww that is a sweet story.

[day2day]

They could have put a big smear of Vicks on their upper lip to help cut down the stench when they breathed. What I would like to know is why some items were removed and some were left in the car. How did they decide what to leave in there? Was just a table knife, pants and papers removed? Was anything put into the car, like the Dora backpack? Did the backpack have anything in it?

I just can't imagine how they handled the stench. Vicks might have helped (a little). Good question-who KNOWS what they put in the car. I think I read Casey had pants and boots and shoes in the car. I wonder if they cleaned the shoes ? I am sure Det. George would know what to clean...jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

Thanks, Regina. I've read some of the research on the towers/pings but didn't know what the 16th showed.

Still trying to figure out if she left on the 15th WITH Caylee, or if we believe GA, she left the 16th with Caylee. Did she leave 15th w/o Caylee and come back?


Too many variables! I want it NAILED down! lol


That is the million dollar question. Padilla doesn't think so and he is getting his information from lee, supposedly. george wasn't home that night, he was working, I suppose it could just be an honest mistake about him seeing them leave at 12:50 p.m. on 6/16.

I have to look at her cell phone activity for the night of 6/15 again, that is going to tell the tale, imo.

[kakax]

SURE you enlarged it for closer inspection! :lol:

ROFL....maybe I did !!!

[steffaroob4]

My son once at an early age after learning in Sunday school that God created everything...came running into the living room all excited because he had learned Gods name..and God himself had signed his toy.."made in china'...Gods name was CHINA....memories that last forever.

My husband called me everyday at lunch during those years, because he loved hearing what new funny thing the kids would do, it is just so odd, she says nothing in 49 pages of texts, I still have two more sets of texts to read:read:

[GrannyB]

If I was George, yeah, probably. Since he details all the family cars on a weekly basis it would be normal for people to see him cleaning.

But then I have to wonder why the neighbors even gave it a second thought that he was cleaning.

I wonder if when he had the car open the neighbors could smell it.

[day2day]

I am nosey, I want to know who is paying their mortgage/lights/phone/food/gas. Hey, those things cost and have to be paid monthly. Where are they getting the money for living expenses?

Important question. Who knows? :punch:

[crymeariver2006]

“Ended up attracting some miscreants and criminals who are some of the people who are showing up,” said NeJame. “I won't dignify them by calling them protesters. They were agitators, and unfortunately and sadly, they just thought it was best for them and their neighbors and their community not to do them at their home anymore.”

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/30/anthony_family_moves_prayer_vigils_to_church.html

For a minute i thought he was talkin bout his clients!:punch:

jmo

*snort*

BTW, that's quite the spin on how it really happened that two weeks ago the HOA requested that the vigils be stopped or moved, and this week the Sheriff's Department requested that they be moved indoors or to the backyard.

Sheesh, do they think we never read a newspaper or see the news?

:shrug:

[shelkobe]

You are correct. In fact on this board he was emailed a list of questions which he answered (or tried to) and the poster was given permission to post his email.

I haven't read the Yuri thread at the place we can't talk about, but from what I hear he's not answering any questions or discussing the case.

Rick Sutherland gave us way more information than what Yuri appears to be providing. And he did tell us if there was something they couldn't answer due to the investigation.

JMO though and all that jazz.
Yes, yes, thanks for refreshing my memory. I remember those lists of questions now. I was in and out of the boards right around that time and kept missing the thread to submit questions in. I hate when real life gets in the way of the boards ;)

[SandyO]

*snort*

BTW, that's quite the spin on how it really happened that two weeks ago the HOA requested that the vigils be stopped or moved, and this week the Sheriff's Department requested that they be moved indoors or to the backyard.

Sheesh, do they think we never read a newspaper or see the news?

:shrug:

Doesn't "spin" just make you furious???!!!

[nc1948]

I think George is the odd man out in the family. It's as if Cindy ruled and ridiculed him and the kids followed suit. I feel the most sorry for him, of the accounted for family members. Caylee is the one I hurt for most but George seems to be the oddball in the house.

I so agree about George. I think in his interview when he was asked questions that Cindy had given him the script for his was nervous. Yet when he was asked things she had not prepared him for he was straightforward. Ex: following Casey in car. Bet he got into trouble when this was released. To me, Cindy is in charge and he better tow the line. She will give him information only on a need to know basis, and she doesn't think he needs to know a lot.

[day2day]

My husband called me everyday at lunch during those years, because he loved hearing what new funny thing the kids would do, it is just so odd, she says nothing in 49 pages of texts, I still have two more sets of texts to read:read:

When my littleone was learning to tell stories..(and she could tell a whopper) -we had a friend who was LE. He came to visit and my "joy" tried to convince him i put her in my wellhouse to punish her!! LOL!! I was SO embarrased..of course she has grown out of that story telling phase-but my gosh...i was SO embarrased! :o

[nc1948]

So that means Cindy didn't hear the sleeping when she left for work, and George didn't see them leave when he was watching tv?

GrannyB-well they have lied once or twice before. Everything they say I take with a grain of salt.

[marshmallow]

*snort*

BTW, that's quite the spin on how it really happened that two weeks ago the HOA requested that the vigils be stopped or moved, and this week the Sheriff's Department requested that they be moved indoors or to the backyard.

Sheesh, do they think we never read a newspaper or see the news?

:shrug:

I saw the photos of Sunday's "vigil" and it confused me too. All those people on the driveway when they could've held it in the backyard just as easily Casey didn't even attend so it could have been held at a different site. I still see it as a thumbing of their noses at the LE, HOA, and those of us following the case. Kind of like a "we're the Anthonys and no one tells us what to do!" attitude.

[steffaroob4]

:shrug:How many bedrooms does the Anthony have? She says to Amy, once we move my stuff into my parents rooms, we can use my old room and garage for storage. What room was Amy going to move into?
page 11 (http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/text_ocso_2.pdf)

[Ladyhawk]

No, I think it means she was at home, like Steff said. I think she may have left before George left to make it appear she was going to work, but then came back after he left because she had no where else to go.

Because she had no other place to go OR came back to get the laptop and the JC Penny card and whatever else she couldn't take with her in front of George. She really could have pulled into the garage, put the door down, left the car running with Caylee in it and gone in to get these things and stayed too long, on the phone , looking for money, etc and in a matter of 30 minutes or so, Caylee could have been dead or close to dead from carbon monoxide. IRRC, early on there was a report from LE, or somewhere, that Caylee did not die in the car seat so if that's true, this carbon mono theory doesn't fly. moo

[day2day]

:shrug:How many bedrooms does the Anthony have? She says to Amy, once we move my stuff into my parents rooms, we can use my old room and garage for storage. What room was Amy going to move into?
page 11 (http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/text_ocso_2.pdf)

IIRC 4 bedrooms..

[nc1948]

I just can't imagine how they handled the stench. Vicks might have helped (a little). Good question-who KNOWS what they put in the car. I think I read Casey had pants and boots and shoes in the car. I wonder if they cleaned the shoes ? I am sure Det. George would know what to clean...jmo

I do love this forum. Everyones opinion, and I do mean everyone, is fascinating and so many of you have really made me rethink me opinion. I had not ever considered that they may have put something into the car. Interesting thought.

[kakax]

Just for the purposes of discussion...

If they don't have evidence that Casey murdered Caylee (accidental whatever) but they have evidence that Caylee is deceased....what charge would she get?

Because of Casey's neglect of not knowing where her child is....she died. But they can't for evidence reasons pin it on her.

What would that be? I remember Kimberly Guilfoyle talking about some kind of negligent circumstance homicide. I"m going to see if I can find that video.

[WillowInFlight]

GrannyB-well they have lied once or twice before. Everything they say I take with a grain of salt.

Once or twice? oh I see you are giving them the benefit of the doubt.;)

[kakax]

:shrug:How many bedrooms does the Anthony have? She says to Amy, once we move my stuff into my parents rooms, we can use my old room and garage for storage. What room was Amy going to move into?
page 11 (http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/text_ocso_2.pdf)

Hmmmm, I thought it was 3 bedroom.

[day2day]

Just for the purposes of discussion...

If they don't have evidence that Casey murdered Caylee (accidental whatever) but they have evidence that Caylee is deceased....what charge would she get?

Because of Casey's neglect of not knowing where her child is....she died. But they can't for evidence reasons pin it on her.

What would that be? I remember Kimberly Guilfoyle talking about some kind of negligent circumstance homicide. I"m going to see if I can find that video.

Great question? I have no clue what they would charge her with? I am still prayin for murder one!

[steffaroob4]

IIRC 4 bedrooms..

I hope you are right, that seems like a lot of rooms for that size house, tho.

[crymeariver2006]

I so agree about George. I think in his interview when he was asked questions that Cindy had given him the script for his was nervous. Yet when he was asked things she had not prepared him for he was straightforward. Ex: following Casey in car. Bet he got into trouble when this was released. To me, Cindy is in charge and he better tow the line. She will give him information only on a need to know basis, and she doesn't think he needs to know a lot.

Please keep in mind:

George's interview: 8/4

Greta's interview(s): 8/5 and 8/6

When was Greta's interview actually taped? 'Cause in that interview, George starts to say "news" when asked what he was watching on TV and Cindy corrects him, saying "cooking show". In the 8/4 interview, he is adamant about the food network.

And didn't Cindy have to cut her interview off with Yuri because she had an appointment for some media gig? IOW, was Greta's show taped prior to George's 8/4 interview?

[frances1]

Hee, hee that was my point. And I do see a shovel, so I'm sure he was digging. Just a little humor for the am.


Kakax, I love your tagline. I think the second half of that sentence is exactly what has happened in this case.

[GrannyB]

I saw the photos of Sunday's "vigil" and it confused me too. All those people on the driveway when they could've held it in the backyard just as easily Casey didn't even attend so it could have been held at a different site. I still see it as a thumbing of their noses at the LE, HOA, and those of us following the case. Kind of like a "we're the Anthonys and no one tells us what to do!" attitude.

That sure does seem like what they are doing everytime they open and mouths.

[nc1948]

I saw the photos of Sunday's "vigil" and it confused me too. All those people on the driveway when they could've held it in the backyard just as easily Casey didn't even attend so it could have been held at a different site. I still see it as a thumbing of their noses at the LE, HOA, and those of us following the case. Kind of like a "we're the Anthonys and no one tells us what to do!" attitude.

I agree. I also think that after reading the forums Cindy (she is the mastermind of this operation) has seen how people feel about the protestors. SO-I think, she thinks that the big bad protestors make them look more like victims and that this will get them more sympathy and also more donations. I will be very surprised if they ever have a vigil in the house or backyard because that would be out of cam view and Cindy is all about being on camera. Maybe if Fox offered to put cam in back yard she would go there. Cindy attitude of entitlement is discusting.

[steffaroob4]

You have a link for the texts?

these are good, I am on Amy missing money, now. (http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/10/)

[crymeariver2006]

More pictures of backyard....

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/kakax02/41089069.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/kakax02/41089072.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/kakax02/41089096.jpg

And one of the front for good measure...

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/kakax02/caseyrun-2.gif


I'm still not liking the shape of those flags.

Looks like they marked anywhere that she (or whoever) stuck a shovel in.

:(

[Ladyhawk]

Okay, I just heard a blurb for tonight's NBC news and they're going to have bit on about a 2 headed squirrel. I'm not gonna miss that because this could explain why Casey said there were 2 dead squirrels. :eek:

[GrannyB]

Please keep in mind:

George's interview: 8/4

Greta's interview(s): 8/5 and 8/6

When was Greta's interview actually taped? 'Cause in that interview, George starts to say "news" when asked what he was watching on TV and Cindy corrects him, saying "cooking show". In the 8/4 interview, he is adamant about the food network.

And didn't Cindy have to cut her interview off with Yuri because she had an appointment for some media gig? IOW, was Greta's show taped prior to George's 8/4 interview?

I thought the same thing about George saying news and Cindy with her hand on him and talking over him to say cooking show. I wonder if she left at news time on the 15th. And did she take Caylee?

[FeelinFroggy617]

Yes, she said something about him bleeding all over the yard, iirc.

She has an answer for everything.


Like mother, like daughter.

[shelbar53]

:shrug:How many bedrooms does the Anthony have? She says to Amy, once we move my stuff into my parents rooms, we can use my old room and garage for storage. What room was Amy going to move into?
page 11 (http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/text_ocso_2.pdf)

Morning all. IIRC its a 4 bedroom home I think around 1400sq feet. so the rooms cant be all that big.

[bewitched]

Interesting comments from Leonard Padilla last night on Nancy Grace:


PADILLA: Cindy put her hands around Casey`s throat and practically choked her out that night. It scared the hell out of Casey. It had never happened before.

GRACE: Why?

PADILLA: Because of the money she stole from her parents. She was so upset about that, that she just could not control herself, and if you listen to George, he`ll tell you, he lives -- he lives with a controlling woman and a controlling daughter.

GRACE: Now, where did you get the information that she actually put her hands around mom Casey`s throat?

PADILLA: You can ask Casey`s brother, Lee. He`ll tell you.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/30/ng.01.html

So, it was lee who revealed the choking incident. During this show Dr. Kobilinsky said that chloroform DOES NOT remove or degrade DNA.

Very interesting to me that all the attorneys, defense and prosecutors on last night's show felt that Zenaida Gonzoles has an excellent civil case against casey anthony. Zenaida is also on the witness list, along with over 80 other people.

Thanks so much for posting this - now that I know that choloroform does not remove or degrade DNA, I feel that Caylee will finally get the justice she deserves. I am positive that the stain will have Caylees DNA and that will be the end of it. Case Closed. Casey will finally get what is comming to her - BIG JAIL TIME - Thank you god - at least Caylee will get the justice she deserves and maybe just maybe Casey will lead them to her body so she can get a peaceful resting place.

Justice for that sweet sweet baby:patriot:

Dawn

[SandyO]

these are good, I am on Amy missing money, now. (http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/10/)

Amy seems to be just the type of person Casey could easily bamboozle, and thus the reason Casey latched on to her. It seems to me that all of Casey's so called "friends" were temporary and just being used.

[nc1948]

Please keep in mind:

George's interview: 8/4

Greta's interview(s): 8/5 and 8/6

When was Greta's interview actually taped? 'Cause in that interview, George starts to say "news" when asked what he was watching on TV and Cindy corrects him, saying "cooking show". In the 8/4 interview, he is adamant about the food network.

And didn't Cindy have to cut her interview off with Yuri because she had an appointment for some media gig? IOW, was Greta's show taped prior to George's 8/4 interview?

Cindy was not at home, but she corrects George as to what he was watching on tv. Very interesting. This woman is incredible.

[day2day]

I'm still not liking the shape of those flags.

Looks like they marked anywhere that she (or whoever) stuck a shovel in.

:(

bf thinks it looks like an outline of a body..:shrug: I think it looks like a bunch of different colored flags..:(

[crymeariver2006]

Great question? I have no clue what they would charge her with? I am still prayin for murder one!

I'd go for murder1 and then if the judge doesn't think they've met the burden, he or she can instruct the jury on lesser charges.

:shrug:

[GrannyB]

Okay, I just heard a blurb for tonight's NBC news and they're going to have bit on about a 2 headed squirrel. I'm not gonna miss that because this could explain why Casey said there were 2 dead squirrels. :eek:

OMG please don't tell me there is really a squirrel. That would mean Casey told the truth?

[kakax]

Kimberly says "implied malice murder theory on a second." Careless and reckless disregard for the safety of her litte girl shows a maligned and abandoned heart.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F1B0ABhM0I
1:30 into the video

[Leanne Weich]

I just can't imagine how they handled the stench. Vicks might have helped (a little). Good question-who KNOWS what they put in the car. I think I read Casey had pants and boots and shoes in the car. I wonder if they cleaned the shoes ? I am sure Det. George would know what to clean...jmo

I honestly don't think Vicks would help much. My mom died sitting on her living room chair. She was found about 10 hours later. My sister closed up her home and waited for me to arrive 24 hours later before going back. When we opened the door, I had to run to the bathroom to be sick. The smell was overwhelming. We eventually found out it was decomposition fluids which were on the chair where she died. Nothing could get the stench out of it and we had to have the whole thing re-upholstered and my mom's body hadn't started to decompose when she was removed. My uncle who is a doctor told us her bodily fluids which escaped at the time of death continued decomposing in the heat and humidity of summer. It was absolutely gross and, if a corpse had been in the trunk of Casey's car in the heat, I honestly don't know how anyone could clean it out. They must have constitutions made of cast iron, imo.

[crymeariver2006]

bf thinks it looks like an outline of a body..:shrug: I think it looks like a bunch of different colored flags..:(


I think it looks like the outline of a small grave. Not just so, but like she (or whoever) went back with the shovel and had to kind of poke it around a little bit to hit exactly where Caylee might have been buried. Or once her body was recovered, it was laid to the side in order to fill the hole back in with the mulch.

Do you see what I'm saying?

It's in the mulch and I don't think the mulch would have been hard to move with a shovel.

JMO

(and yes it made me totally sick to even think of the words to type).

[day2day]

I'd go for murder1 and then if the judge doesn't think they've met the burden, he or she can instruct the jury on lesser charges.

:shrug:

Can we hire you?! I hope that is exactly what they do! jmo!

[kakax]

I'd go for murder1 and then if the judge doesn't think they've met the burden, he or she can instruct the jury on lesser charges.

:shrug:

I would too, I just wanted to see what would happen hypothetically if the goods weren't there that they needed for murder 1.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Morning All :seeya:


Ketchup Please.......
What's this about an outline/grave?!?!?!

[steffaroob4]

Interesting text (http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/text_ocso_2.pdf)(page 37) from casey to Amy on July 15th at 5:30. She says, "Oh ok, my mom texted me something about it."

Do we remember when CA first called Amy???? Do you think Amy gave Casey a heads up allowing casey to delete her computer files?

[shelkobe]

Amy seems to be just the type of person Casey could easily bamboozle, and thus the reason Casey latched on to her. **snip**
Ain't that the truth.

I feel bad for Amy, reading through those text messages she's really had a string of bad luck, between guys, friends, jobs, money, cars... and then having that very personal message regarding her sex life revealed to all in that one text. You'd think LE would have redacted that comment just to save her some embarassment.

[barskin&co.]

OMG please don't tell me there is really a squirrel. That would mean Casey told the truth?

Just because NBC news has an item about a two headed squirrel, it would be quite a stretch to say that goes to prove anything about Casey's mythical squirrel which somehow caused a stench in the trunk of her car.

[MyrDawn]

I'd go for murder1 and then if the judge doesn't think they've met the burden, he or she can instruct the jury on lesser charges.

:shrug:

A Grand Jury has to indict for murder 1 in Florida. If they don't, the most the prosecutor can charge is 2nd degree murder. I do agree that the best way is to charge as high as they can, with lesser charges an option for the jury.
JMO

[kakax]

Interesting text (http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/text_ocso_2.pdf)(page 37) from casey to Amy on July 15th at 5:30. She says, "Oh ok, my mom texted me something about it."

Do we remember when CA first called Amy???? Do you think Amy gave Casey a heads up allowing casey to delete her computer files?


Amy said she talked to Cindy at 5pm while she was at the mall. Those phone calls I think reflect Amy warning Casey that Cindy was on her way. There was a text right before that I think at 5:22 from Amy to Casey.

[barskin&co.]

Amy seems to be just the type of person Casey could easily bamboozle, and thus the reason Casey latched on to her. It seems to me that all of Casey's so called "friends" were temporary and just being used.

Well, we certainly have proof that Amy was bamboozled.

[desmom]

Brittany saw the car in the driveway with the trunk open. She saw George & Cindy milling around the area, but not in the trunk. Then LE arrived.

Page 1247 or Page #85 of the documents dumped on 9/23

jmo

[day2day]

I think it looks like the outline of a small grave. Not just so, but like she (or whoever) went back with the shovel and had to kind of poke it around a little bit to hit exactly where Caylee might have been buried. Or once her body was recovered, it was laid to the side in order to fill the hole back in with the mulch.

Do you see what I'm saying?

It's in the mulch and I don't think the mulch would have been hard to move with a shovel.

JMO

(and yes it made me totally sick to even think of the words to type).


Yep i see it. I have always thought Casey would be to lazy to dig. But my bf and dad both think she was buried there and then moved to either the playhouse or the sandbox and then to the trunk. :(

it is heartbreaking to even think about .

[crymeariver2006]

I thought the same thing about George saying news and Cindy with her hand on him and talking over him to say cooking show. I wonder if she left at news time on the 15th. And did she take Caylee?

Could be. Maybe he was trying to watch the 11:00 news when he came home from work.

:shrug:

All I know is that in George's written statement of 7/15, he says "he last heard Caylee's voice" on 6/9. Nothing is mentioned about clothing or backpacks or what anybody was doing, where they were going.

Then on 8/4, it's like he's given the "script" and he has memorized it.

JMO

[day2day]

Morning All :seeya:


Ketchup Please.......
What's this about an outline/grave?!?!?!

We are just looking at the Anthony's backyard and the flags they placed. It is very scary imo..

[warrkat]

I remember seeing her on a couple of shows attempting to discredit the cadaver dogs. She asked about sweat, blood and urine....and every time she would be told NO by a cadaver dog expert on the show.

When Cindy made the 911 call, I believe she was frightened.

Cindy has made statements leading the public to believe LE are morons. When documents are released, we learn Cindy twisted facts and her blah, blah to the media is not true.

What made her change? Did Casey confess to Cindy? Lee? George? Does the family know the truth?

jmo

She reminds me of a defense attorney trying to explain away circumstantial evidence. They can come with some very reasonable alternatives for that kind of evidence, as well as some ridiculous theories. In the beginning, she may not have known what a cadaver dog does, but even after she did, she tried to come up with other reasons for the smell in the car and whatever might have been found in the yard.
I'm not sure that she has changed her thinking, but she has finally learned that if she wants to help her daughter, she HAS to be quiet. Probably her new attorney has convinced her. jmo

[nc1948]

I followed the Susan Polk trial. I thought this woman was totally off the wall. Even though she obviously did kill her husband I actually felt she could have gotten off with insanity. I think she was insane.

Casey and Cindy have her beat hands down. You have a missing precious grandchild and you are busy cleaning the car before you call the police. Sorry, I don't get it and hope I never am able to undertand what these people are about. If I could understand their thinking, I would worry about myself. ( well, I do worry about myself anyway. Who spends all this time on computer trying to figure out if the Anthonys have ever told a truth, or who did it, or how, or who called who) I need to step back from the computer and take a deep breath before I hammer myself.)

This case is driving me mad. And I do mean both kinds of mad. Nuts and angry.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Just because NBC news has an item about a two headed squirrel, it would be quite a stretch to say that goes to prove anything about Casey's mythical squirrel which somehow caused a stench in the trunk of her car.

:lol: A two headed squirrel...

[nc1948]

Just because NBC news has an item about a two headed squirrel, it would be quite a stretch to say that goes to prove anything about Casey's mythical squirrel which somehow caused a stench in the trunk of her car.

Stench was in trunk but squirrel(2) climbed in motor.

[WillowInFlight]

I agree. I also think that after reading the forums Cindy (she is the mastermind of this operation) has seen how people feel about the protestors. SO-I think, she thinks that the big bad protestors make them look more like victims and that this will get them more sympathy and also more donations. I will be very surprised if they ever have a vigil in the house or backyard because that would be out of cam view and Cindy is all about being on camera. Maybe if Fox offered to put cam in back yard she would go there. Cindy attitude of entitlement is discusting.

I agree, she is disgusting. I would really like to see the media squash this, maybe then when they have nobody but each other to focus on the sh&t will hit the fan.

[crymeariver2006]

Interesting text (http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/text_ocso_2.pdf)(page 37) from casey to Amy on July 15th at 5:30. She says, "Oh ok, my mom texted me something about it."

Do we remember when CA first called Amy???? Do you think Amy gave Casey a heads up allowing casey to delete her computer files?

Could be. And Casey and Cindy were always telling "the friends" that the other was crazy.

Amy, at that point, had not realized she had been ripped off, would still have some allegiance to Casey.

I'd say that Amy's text was about them finding the car which would give an explanation for Casey's non-chalant "Oh, ok, my mom texted me something about it".

[WillowInFlight]

:lol: A two headed squirrel...

This isn't going to be another thread all about squirrels is it?

[WinnieLeigh7]

This lil' simple 'fact' occurred to me this morning...

IF George's story is true about Casey and Caylee leaving on the 16th, ~ 12:50

And Casey was seen ~ 8:00 with Tony at Blockbuster (no Caylee)...

and that's the day we're going to conclude whatever happened happened...

It "happened" in broad daylight!!!!!

Did no one see anything??

[marshmallow]

This isn't going to be another thread all about squirrels is it?

nah...that'd be nuts ;)

[WinnieLeigh7]

This isn't going to be another thread all about squirrels is it?

Nope, I just thought it was funny...

for one, a two headed squirrel is kinda funny
for two, the news reporting on it, makes it more funny
and three for that to somehow turn Casey into an honest person, well that's just outrageously funny!!

[nc1948]

I agree, she is disgusting. I would really like to see the media squash this, maybe then when they have nobody but each other to focus on the sh&t will hit the fan.

Boy would we all be going nuts with no new info. BUT, bet the ANthonys would be affected more. Yes, take down the cam, NG discuss something else, reporters do not go to any court hearings, or house for interviews, protestors stay away. Bet meltdown would be soon. (Unfortunately, some of us would meltdown too) But wonder how long before Cindy would call news media to give them an update, and ask why they are not out looking. Because we know that if she is found dead, it is all our fault.

[summer4meplz]

Interesting text (http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/text_ocso_2.pdf)(page 37) from casey to Amy on July 15th at 5:30. She says, "Oh ok, my mom texted me something about it."

Do we remember when CA first called Amy???? Do you think Amy gave Casey a heads up allowing casey to delete her computer files?

I think it's entirely possible and even likely that amy would give her friends a heads up about mom being on the way....imo

[crymeariver2006]

Just because NBC news has an item about a two headed squirrel, it would be quite a stretch to say that goes to prove anything about Casey's mythical squirrel which somehow caused a stench in the trunk of her car.


Wanna bet? Wait till the Anthonys get ahold of that story!

:biggrin:

[desmom]

It is disturbing, Caylee was at a great age. I played with my kids everyday, I was always on the floor of the living room or outside in the yard playing ball with them. She doesn't share any cute stories with her best friend??? I remember my son called his hockey/soccer net toy a funny name one day; he said, I want to play "hockers" (mixing the 2 words together), I must have told everyone I knew that day, it still makes me laugh 13 years later. I have so many great memories of that age, where are hers?

Those memories still bring a smile to my face. My DH told everyone he had 3 children (we have 2) and I was the oldest....mud pies, tents in the living room, sandcastles, hide n seek, searched for leprechauns in the bsmt on St Paddy's Day, turned the wading pool into a huge bubble bath.....

It has been said Casey was jealous of Cindy's relationship with Caylee. Casey could have changed that by paying more attention to her daughter and less attention to her cell phone. jmo

:rose: Precious Little Caylee

[MyrDawn]

I agree. I also think that after reading the forums Cindy (she is the mastermind of this operation) has seen how people feel about the protestors. SO-I think, she thinks that the big bad protestors make them look more like victims and that this will get them more sympathy and also more donations. I will be very surprised if they ever have a vigil in the house or backyard because that would be out of cam view and Cindy is all about being on camera. Maybe if Fox offered to put cam in back yard she would go there. Cindy attitude of entitlement is discusting.

They're moving the vigil to a church.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/30/anthony_family_moves_prayer_vigils_to_church.html

[day2day]

Instead, the Orange County Sheriff's Office will place two on-duty deputies at the home during prime-time hours.

"We've pulled those deputies out of the violent crime areas, so there is a cost to this of more than just money. We're doing the best we can and responding to every call out there," Sgt. Mike Crab said.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17596969/detail.html

FGS why don't they just CHARGE her and get it over with..jmo

[TxLady2]

:shrug:Good morning everyone!:seeya:
I have been up since 4 am. Early report day for this girl-so between reports i have been reading ..reading and readin more on this case.
Two more things I have read -REALLY bother me.
The first(and i will search for a link)....Has anyone heard Cindy mention that George had worked in the backyard and his hands were BLEEDING?
Now -why o WHY would she even MENTION something like that? i was looking at pics of the backyard search and there was ALOT of little flags out there. Im just wondering WHAT they found there.

The second thing that bothers me (this morning)-A member of a message board contacted Noreen Renier. Noreen seemed as though she was willing to help-Cindy called and she asked for newspaper articles-an item of Casey's and an item of Caylee's. Cindy refused to send her anything. Now WHY in the world would she ask for someones help and then refuse to help THEM? BTW according to the email she has offered her services for free to the OCSO


jmo

Cindy was trying to explain the decomp in the yard, and that the dogs would hit on "old blood." Greta did not correct her on it, but if I'm not mistaken, someone on NG said that cadaver dogs would not hit on anything besides human decomposition, and old blood does not fall in that category. Cindy also said the dogs hits were inconsistent... and we all know that is not true. TWO different dogs from two different counties hit on the same spots.

[barskin&co.]

Wanna bet? Wait till the Anthonys get ahold of that story!

:biggrin:

Silly me! You're right. :D

[jammies]

I think it was DEAD squirrels climbed into motor.
Good Morning all!



Yes. Zombie squirrels.

[marshmallow]

They're moving the vigil to a church.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/30/anthony_family_moves_prayer_vigils_to_church.html

I wonder if Casey will bother to attend the vigils now. She didn't bother last Sunday.

[crymeariver2006]

They're moving the vigil to a church.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/30/anthony_family_moves_prayer_vigils_to_church.html

Never mind that the HOA AND the Sheriff's Department had requested that they be moved.

Why to hear NeJame tell it, the Anthonys are just the salt of the earth, always caring about their neighbors, always cooperative....

I have to stop, I'm getting that sick feeling again.....

:biggrin:

[WillowInFlight]

Instead, the Orange County Sheriff's Office will place two on-duty deputies at the home during prime-time hours.

"We've pulled those deputies out of the violent crime areas, so there is a cost to this of more than just money. We're doing the best we can and responding to every call out there," Sgt. Mike Crab said.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17596969/detail.html

FGS why don't they just CHARGE her and get it over with..jmo
I agree, this is BS. All because PrincessPantsOnFire won't talk. I would charge them from day one and for every penny.

[Ladyhawk]

Nope, I just thought it was funny...

for one, a two headed squirrel is kinda funny
for two, the news reporting on it, makes it more funny
and three for that to somehow turn Casey into an honest person, well that's just outrageously funny!!

And...
for four, the defense team using the news item to create RD...I can hear it now....this ladies and gentlemen, run the clip please, is what lead my client to reasonably conclude that there was 2 squirrels when in reality is was only one. :tongue:

[nc1948]

They're moving the vigil to a church.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/30/anthony_family_moves_prayer_vigils_to_church.html

Thanks MyrDawn-I had not seen this. I was on page 5 refreshing,and thought everyone had left. Well you all did, you went to page 6. Geez, I hate it when I do that.

[bballgrl]

They're moving the vigil to a church.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/30/anthony_family_moves_prayer_vigils_to_church.html


Hallelujah... it's about time! :rose:

[day2day]

Cindy was trying to explain the decomp in the yard, and that the dogs would hit on "old blood." Greta did not correct her on it, but if I'm not mistaken, someone on NG said that cadaver dogs would not hit on anything besides human decomposition, and old blood does not fall in that category. Cindy also said the dogs hits were inconsistent... and we all know that is not true. TWO different dogs from two different counties hit on the same spots.

Mornin TxLady!! If I have to choose between the k9s and Cindy-i choose the pups. I know they don't lie. I have heard Cindy's lies with my own ears. I can't imagine her on the witness stand.JMO hammer

[barskin&co.]

I think it was DEAD squirrels climbed into motor.
Good Morning all!

You are correct; they climbed into the motor and somehow caused an incredible stench in the trunk of the car. Hey, it could happen! :biggrin:

[WillowInFlight]

I wonder if Casey will bother to attend the vigils now. She didn't bother last Sunday.

Of course she won't, it would put Caylee's life in danger.:rolleyes:

[GrandmaGA]

They're moving the vigil to a church.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/30/anthony_family_moves_prayer_vigils_to_church.html

So now I wonder if the media and the protesters will move to the church?

[nc1948]

I think it was DEAD squirrels climbed into motor.
Good Morning all!


You are so right, sorry I forgot they were Dead squirrels. I need cliff notes.

[MyrDawn]

I think it was DEAD squirrels climbed into motor.
Good Morning all!

Take your pick...she gave multiple choice reasons, as usual. Amy said Casey told friends her car smelled like something died, that her dad may have run over something. She told her brother Lee Anthony it was a squirrel that crawled up in the engine before telling Huizenga it was an animal stuck on the front of her car.

But, as I recall, you're right and she also said two dead squirrels crawled into the motor. Quite a trick! :D

http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/29694859.html

[day2day]

I agree, this is BS. All because PrincessPantsOnFire won't talk. I would charge them from day one and for every penny.

Why should other innocent citizens go without protection because SHE chooses NOT to tell the truth. I think its BS-and frankly i am SICK of LE coddling this family.

jmo---->:flamemad:

[crymeariver2006]

Instead, the Orange County Sheriff's Office will place two on-duty deputies at the home during prime-time hours.

"We've pulled those deputies out of the violent crime areas, so there is a cost to this of more than just money. We're doing the best we can and responding to every call out there," Sgt. Mike Crab said.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17596969/detail.html

FGS why don't they just CHARGE her and get it over with..jmo

Hopefully it won't go on much longer. Her neglect trial starts on 11/14 and I expect a quick guilty verdict and a swift move to prison.

[shelkobe]

Speaking of Cindy and incredible, remember when Cindy was going on all the cable news shows and had an answer for everything, justifying and explaining away this, that and the other thing. She always had to have the last word and she put her self out there as having all the answers, insistent on her version being the "correct" version on every point.

Well, to illustrate this character trait and to show how far it goes, I noticed in the interview with Dets. Melich and... Edwards, I think his name is, when Cindy moves across the table to look at the calendar, Melich picks her purse up from the chair to place it on the table, and explains he's moving it because some people might forget it's there, Cindy has to keep saying that a woman wouldn't forget her purse (or words to that effect). Melich says again that he moved it because he's seen it happen where people have forgotten their bag (presumably because it was out of sight)... and Cindy can't let it go she just has to come back with a comment, "No I don't think someone would forget that" (or similar verbage.)

For the life of me, I have no idea why Cindy had to be right about something like that. The guy was just moving the purse; why not just say, "Thanks," and move on? It must be maddening to live with someone like that. I played that part of the tape twice because it annoyed me so much.

/rant

[margaret kep]

Okay, I just heard a blurb for tonight's NBC news and they're going to have bit on about a 2 headed squirrel. I'm not gonna miss that because this could explain why Casey said there were 2 dead squirrels. :eek:

OK I think I just woke up with that. Good morning.:lol:

[WinnieLeigh7]

And...
for four, the defense team using the news item to create RD...I can hear it now....this ladies and gentlemen, run the clip please, is what lead my client to reasonably conclude that there was 2 squirrels when in reality is was only one. :tongue:

prosecution counter...

She did scrap that lil' booger off her car, she should have been aware of one body, two heads.

That's a hard working girl there...scraping off dead squirrels, digging up bamboos...
and all you people said she didn't work :rolleyes:



:tongue:

[day2day]

Hopefully it won't go on much longer. Her neglect trial starts on 11/14 and I expect a quick guilty verdict and a swift move to prison.

I hope you are right!! I am tired of the Anthony's demanding and receiving special treatment because their POS of a daughter refuses to say where this littleone is.

jmo

[nc1948]

Mornin TxLady!! If I have to choose between the k9s and Cindy-i choose the pups. I know they don't lie. I have heard Cindy's lies with my own ears. I can't imagine her on the witness stand.JMO hammer

I do so hope this trial is televised. If I only get to watch Cindy on the witness stand I think I could be happy. It will be the show of the century.

[MyrDawn]

Hopefully it won't go on much longer. Her neglect trial starts on 11/14 and I expect a quick guilty verdict and a swift move to prison.

I don't expect the trial to be quick, as much as I'd like to see that...the prosecution has over 80 witness on their list, and who knows how many the defense will have.

[Joan Weiss]

This lil' simple 'fact' occurred to me this morning...

IF George's story is true about Casey and Caylee leaving on the 16th, ~ 12:50

And Casey was seen ~ 8:00 with Tony at Blockbuster (no Caylee)...

and that's the day we're going to conclude whatever happened happened...

It "happened" in broad daylight!!!!!

Did no one see anything??Morning, Winnie. If she used chloroform, there wouldn't be anything to "see." imo

Imagine that. She can't find her beautiful little child, and she's shopping for movies with her BF. :eek:

[WillowInFlight]

Why should other innocent citizens go without protection because SHE chooses NOT to tell the truth. I think its BS-and frankly i am SICK of LE coddling this family.

jmo---->:flamemad:

You would think by now that they would know coddling isn't the way to go with that family.

[day2day]

I do so hope this trial is televised. If I only get to watch Cindy on the witness stand I think I could be happy. It will be the show of the century.

It might be a longgggggggggg trial with her up there!! They just can't answer a question yes or no!! LOL

[margaret kep]

In re to Noreen Renier, can't LE hand her the babydoll left behind so she could get some impressions of what happened to CAYLEE. Sweet lil angel :rose:

[Rileyj26]

Hopefully it won't go on much longer. Her neglect trial starts on 11/14 and I expect a quick guilty verdict and a swift move to prison.

No she will use appeals it won't be that quick.

I am really MAD that the LE hasn't charged her ...obviously they dont' have anything on her!!!!!!! Pulling officers from other violent areas? She just gets all kinds of protection..I am so glad my tax dollars are going to that messed up LE department. IMO LE screwed this up from the get go.

[TxLady2]

They have those book/movie/photo-op plans. No matter how the case ends up, they will have $$ coming in for those. There should be some bucks around to pay the lawyers. Oh, and don't forget their national exposure. I am sure they are counting on the publicity. Advertising they don't have to pay for.

Dr K isn't someone they hired, he is part of NG's scene. I don't know if the TH's go on those shows for exposure, to get their names up there, or if the show pays them for their "expertise."


Hi, Amy. Kobi has agreed to testify for the defense. Casey's attorney has to pay him... which will come out of his paycheck.. whoever is paying Baez. The family does not hire the experts.. the defense does.
Not sure whether these experts are paid by the shows themselves or what.. but when one is called a "contributor" I would assume they get a small stipend for appearing and voicing their opinions. That's just me, though.

[day2day]

You would think by now that they would know coddling isn't the way to go with that family.

I know..obviously they need me to call and straighten them out! LOL!
The solution is simple-put the pos BACK in the new castle and let the rest of the neighborhood/WORLD go back to their normal lives.
Mr. Grund says it best...
The one thing I wanted to say...the most important thing I wanted to say is this....

THERE IS ONLY ONE VICTIM IN THIS ENTIRE CASE.

ONE VICTIM WHO HAS HAD NO VOICE AND NO CHOICE.

ONE VICTIM WHO HAS BEEN OVERLOOKED AND FORGOTTEN.

CAYLEE....SHE IS THE ONLY VICTIM.

Every one else has been victimized but they had a choice in what happened.

Chosen either to do something or not to do something but no matter what they had a voice and had a choice. Not Caylee.....

THERE IS ONLY ONE VICTIM IN THIS ENTIRE CASE.

ONE VICTIM WHO HAS HAD NO VOICE AND NO CHOICE.

ONE VICTIM WHO HAS BEEN OVERLOOKED AND FORGOTTEN.

CAYLEE....SHE IS THE ONLY VICTIM.

Please do not forget that in the midst of all the misdirection and media frenzy over dramatic content that keeps us scratching our head,. that there is a little girl not sleeping in her own bed.

Casey is comfortable. Cindy is comfortable. George is comfortable. Warm shower and hot food. Clean clothes and their own shoes.

Little baby doll is all alone in the pile of toys who have a home but no one to share it with.

THERE IS ONLY ONE VICTIM IN THIS ENTIRE CASE.

ONE VICTIM WHO HAS HAD NO VOICE AND NO CHOICE.

ONE VICTIM WHO HAS BEEN OVERLOOKED AND FORGOTTEN.

CAYLEE....SHE IS THE ONLY VICTIM.

That's what I really wanted to say tonight....sigh.....


Nancy SHOULD have let him talk! jmo

[WinnieLeigh7]

Morning, Winnie. If she used chloroform, there wouldn't be anything to "see." imo

Imagine that. She can't find her beautiful little child, and she's shopping for movies with her BF. :eek:

Where did she use this chloroform??

No one saw a girl holding something over the face of a child??

Once she used this chloroform, and placed her in the trunk (lets saw for a few days, at least two...before the 'shovel' occurance)...

no one saw a girl placing a child into the trunk?


What's the track record for the time between 1-8pm on the 16th?? Anyone know? Phone records, pings, text, etc??

[marshmallow]

No she will use appeals it won't be that quick.

I am really MAD that the LE hasn't charged her ...obviously they dont' have anything on her!!!!!!! Pulling officers from other violent areas? She just gets all kinds of protection..I am so glad my tax dollars are going to that messed up LE department. IMO LE screwed this up from the get go.

I disagree. I'd rather they took their time and removed any defense doubt before the trial so they have the answers to any theories put up. I don't think it's wise to jump into a pool without checking to see how deep it is. Jumping the gun on this might've allowed her to walk free in the future, better safe than sorry.

[trich]

Amy seems to be just the type of person Casey could easily bamboozle, and thus the reason Casey latched on to her. It seems to me that all of Casey's so called "friends" were temporary and just being used.



I think young people are very easily bambozzled by their so called friends.
they tend to want to believe what their friends tell them rather then what we as experienced adults will tell them.
so many have to learn from experience.
My kids did and their kids I see are too.
I hope Casey's "friends" all have learned a hard lesson....I hope they do not trust so easily any more.

[desmom]

Interesting text (http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/text_ocso_2.pdf)(page 37) from casey to Amy on July 15th at 5:30. She says, "Oh ok, my mom texted me something about it."

Do we remember when CA first called Amy???? Do you think Amy gave Casey a heads up allowing casey to delete her computer files?

Page 242

Amy: "Um, was looking for the bathroom and Casey's mom called me there. So, that was probably around 5 o'clock."

[nc1948]

It might be a longgggggggggg trial with her up there!! They just can't answer a question yes or no!! LOL

Remember when they said Cindy said it smelt like a dead body in the damn car. Then when tapes were released she said she did not say that. I can see her saying oh, that is not my voice. LE mixed up my take with someone elses.

Yes George said he was watching the news when Casey and Caylee left, but I KNOW what he was watching and it was a cooking show. I am always right.

DNA and dogs do lie, I am the only one who knows and tells the truth.

Yes, I said Casey should be voted Mother of the Year, and I should be voted Grandmother of the year.

I have lost so much weight looking everywhere for Caylee.

[marshmallow]

I'm thinking rugmunckers possibly..

I'd guess that Casey told Amy that Amy would have Lee's old room, Casey would get her parent's room...but whose room was Caylee getting if Casey old room was going to be the storage room?

[steffaroob4]

Uh oh, looks like casye's text messages back up all of Amy's transcripts to LE. What is Baez going to do with this mess:D

[WillowInFlight]

Remember when they said Cindy said it smelt like a dead body in the damn car. Then when tapes were released she said she did not say that. I can see her saying oh, that is not my voice. LE mixed up my take with someone elses.

Yes George said he was watching the news when Casey and Caylee left, but I KNOW what he was watching and it was a cooking show. I am always right.

DNA and dogs do lie, I am the only one who knows and tells the truth.

Yes, I said Casey should be voted Mother of the Year, and I should be voted Grandmother of the year.

I have lost so much weight looking everywhere for Caylee.

Yep, like how they have all become victims, the focus isn't and has never been to find Caylee.

[shelkobe]

I'm thinking *snip*

That was crude and you should delete that, IMO.

[day2day]

Remember when they said Cindy said it smelt like a dead body in the damn car. Then when tapes were released she said she did not say that. I can see her saying oh, that is not my voice. LE mixed up my take with someone elses.

Yes George said he was watching the news when Casey and Caylee left, but I KNOW what he was watching and it was a cooking show. I am always right.

DNA and dogs do lie, I am the only one who knows and tells the truth.

Yes, I said Casey should be voted Mother of the Year, and I should be voted Grandmother of the year.

I have lost so much weight looking everywhere for Caylee.

GREAT post! I am pretty sure the ONLY reason she is losing weight is she KNOWS her house of lies is just about ready to fall. IMO if LE doesn't charge her -they are crazy. SHE has told just as many lies and destroyed just as much evidence as Casey. She makes my blood boil. My mama died when i was young..i always feel really bad about it. Then i "meet" mama's like Cindy and think-maybe it wasn't really THAT b ad...


jmohammer

[steffaroob4]

Amy said she talked to Cindy at 5pm while she was at the mall. Those phone calls I think reflect Amy warning Casey that Cindy was on her way. There was a text right before that I think at 5:22 from Amy to Casey.

Wow, thanks, that sure is interesting.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Anyone have any theories on why George and Cindy agreed to a LDT until Lee 'changed their mind'???

[SandyO]

Why should other innocent citizens go without protection because SHE chooses NOT to tell the truth. I think its BS-and frankly i am SICK of LE coddling this family.

jmo---->:flamemad:

This is a problem for the Anthony neighborhood --- thus a problem for the Homeowner's Association to handle. The Homeowner's Association should foot the bill for whatever security they need, and they might bill the Anthonys accordingly.

[nc1948]

Yep, like how they have all become victims, the focus isn't and has never been to find Caylee.


Oh so true. It is so sad. I felt so sorry for George, Cindy and Lee when this was first on the news. I prayed for them. And then they spoke.

[Mairi II]

I'd guess that Casey told Amy that Amy would have Lee's old room, Casey would get her parent's room...but whose room was Caylee getting if Casey old room was going to be the storage room?

I'm sorry to come in in the middle of this but where were Casey's parents going to be? Was she making plans with Amy for when her parents gave her the house? If so, maybe the chloroform was intended to be used on C&G. She couldn't be that stupid, though - I wouldn't think.

[Pooh]

I wonder if Casey will bother to attend the vigils now. She didn't bother last Sunday.
Casey probably thinks "they're SUCH a waste". :rolleyes:

[day2day]

Anyone have any theories on why George and Cindy agreed to a LDT until Lee 'changed their mind'???

Cause Lee pointed out to them that they haven't told the truth----yet?
George KNOWS he can't beat the polygraph. He also knows he won't survive well in prison. I hope he is thinkin bout this..jmo

[day2day]

This is a problem for the Anthony neighborhood --- thus a problem for the Homeowner's Association to handle. The Homeowner's Association should foot the bill for whatever security they need, and they might bill the Anthonys accordingly.

And in return the Anthony's will sell a few more pics..or stay at Publix a few more hours collecting donations. Pfft..i wish LE would get this over for Caylee.

jmo...

[TxLady2]

You are correct. In fact on this board he was emailed a list of questions which he answered (or tried to) and the poster was given permission to post his email.

I haven't read the Yuri thread at the place we can't talk about, but from what I hear he's not answering any questions or discussing the case.

Rick Sutherland gave us way more information than what Yuri appears to be providing. And he did tell us if there was something they couldn't answer due to the investigation.

JMO though and all that jazz.

I've read the thread, and Yuri does not answer questions about this case... not at all. It is mainly a support thread to him for the good job he is doing and because of his broken leg.
He did say that detectives look at websites all the time, because you never know when suspects will post someplace and drop clues.
I'm on the fence about whether it is appropriate for him to post there due to his involvement... not sure whether it will be an issue when the case comes to trial or not. But as long as he does not talk about the case, then I assume he knows what he is doing.
My son is in law enforcement. In fact, he is a detective with the sheriff's dept. here. But he won't even discuss cases with us or his wife and kids, until after the trial, especially if he knows he will have to testify in court.

[barskin&co.]

I'm sorry to come in in the middle of this but where were Casey's parents going to be? Was she making plans with Amy for when her parents gave her the house? If so, maybe the chloroform was intended to be used on C&G. She couldn't be that stupid, though - I wouldn't think.

What she said was, they were going to move to a condo. But, I also believe she might have been thinking of killing George and Cindy.

[Joan Weiss]

No she will use appeals it won't be that quick.

I am really MAD that the LE hasn't charged her ...obviously they dont' have anything on her!!!!!!! Pulling officers from other violent areas? She just gets all kinds of protection..I am so glad my tax dollars are going to that messed up LE department. IMO LE screwed this up from the get go.I don't think they screwed up at all. They recommended a no bond for Casey until her daughter is found. I've never heard of that type of request before. The judge knew she has a right to be out on bond. He made it high, obviously a compromise on the prosecution's request.
Perhaps you missed Beary's press conference, in which he said they are working very carefully on this case. No one wants them to go into court half-cocked, and Casey getting off with no chance of retrying her. That would be double jeopardy.

As far as LE, that's their job, and the commissioners pointed out that the money is there to pay for the surveillance. The Anthonys could alleviate the situation by not going out for confrontations. Cindy likes calling the cops. She's been doing it for much longer than the present situation events.

It's a two-way street. imo

[Regina.Lampert]

Wow, thanks, that sure is interesting.

I'm wondering if Amy called casey anthony to verify she was at Lazarro's place before she and Cynthia rolled over there. I don't think she tipped her off that cynthia was coming.

[kitty1182]

I wonder if Casey will bother to attend the vigils now. She didn't bother last Sunday.


If they need someone to watch Casey while they are at the church, I would be more than glad too..:o

[desmom]

Anyone have any theories on why George and Cindy agreed to a LDT until Lee 'changed their mind'???


IMO, they would show deception when LE asked Cindy about "hearing" Casey and Caylee when left for work and George seeing them at 12:50 p.m. on June 16.

[Mairi II]

What she said was, they were going to move to a condo. But, I also believe she might have been thinking of killing George and Cindy.

Yeah, right, Casey. She's such a freak. Hmmmmm.... maybe she was, after all, considering causing G&C's deaths.

Now my imagination's really running - what if she figured, What the hell... and experimented with the chloro on Caylee to see how effective it was, etc. (before using on G&C) and it ended up killing Caylee.

[Joan Weiss]

What she said was, they were going to move to a condo. But, I also believe she might have been thinking of killing George and Cindy.Morning, barskin. Happy New Year. :seeya:

I also think she was planning to off C & G. imo

[trich]

Uh oh, looks like casye's text messages back up all of Amy's transcripts to LE. What is Baez going to do with this mess:D


the o nly thing he can do is try and destroy the character of the witnesses but that will not work since there are so many that can say just about the same thing about the lies Casey told them.
Not to mention all the info that is in black and white or recorded.
Casey will never get on the stand to be able to deny anything.
Lord I would love for her to get up there and try to testify...
I think that would be almost funny if it wasn't for what she did.
Can't wait for Cindy to have to explain her contriversal statements too.
Cindy is trying to put reasonalbe doubt in people's minds that Jessie could have killed Caylee but that is not going to wash either.
Baez will have to try and make the jury believe that the forensic evidence is not what it really is....I do hope that they pick a jury
that have some brains and sense of practical logic and will see through all the defense's Gobbly Gook.

[DiamondLil]

Remember when they said Cindy said it smelt like a dead body in the damn car. Then when tapes were released she said she did not say that. I can see her saying oh, that is not my voice. LE mixed up my take with someone elses.

Yes George said he was watching the news when Casey and Caylee left, but I KNOW what he was watching and it was a cooking show. I am always right.

DNA and dogs do lie, I am the only one who knows and tells the truth.

Yes, I said Casey should be voted Mother of the Year, and I should be voted Grandmother of the year.

I have lost so much weight looking everywhere for Caylee.

Good Morning ALL! I escaped my "TIME OUT" to say that like him or not, Cindy is what Dr. Phil would call a RIGHT FIGHTER. It amazes me that she can't seem to SEE that when it's so obviously pinpointed by most of you early on?

Imagine a Right Fighters frustration, having a daughter like PPoF, that lies and does everything just the opposite of right? My gosh, no wonder we need the new AA Group (Anthonys Anon) One day, mayyyybe, Cindy will see that admitting you have a problem is the FIRST step to recovery?

Until then, I'd like to begin healing with opening this chapter of our CYBER AA 12 Step morning meeting with:

"HI! My name is DiamondLil and I have a problem...:seeya:
(several problems actually when referring to this family/case)

[WinnieLeigh7]

IMO, they would show deception when LE asked Cindy about "hearing" Casey and Caylee when left for work and George seeing them at 12:50 p.m. on June 16.

But they agreed until Lee advised otherwise.

Why did they initially agree??
Why did Lee advise differently??
Why did they 'go along' with Lee? (vs. clearing 'themselves')?

What was that "changing of the minds conversation"??

[day2day]

If they need someone to watch Casey while they are at the church, I would be more than glad too..:o

move over sista! i want THAT job!!:D

[Joan Weiss]

Where did she use this chloroform??

No one saw a girl holding something over the face of a child??

Once she used this chloroform, and placed her in the trunk (lets saw for a few days, at least two...before the 'shovel' occurance)...

no one saw a girl placing a child into the trunk?


What's the track record for the time between 1-8pm on the 16th?? Anyone know? Phone records, pings, text, etc??She could have looked like she was changing a diaper. Lots of moms do that in the back of the car. There were diapers in the car. imo

[Regina.Lampert]

If they need someone to watch Casey while they are at the church, I would be more than glad too..:o

:eek: RUN casey, run............. :chicken:

[bballgrl]

Speaking of Cindy and incredible, remember when Cindy was going on all the cable news shows and had an answer for everything, justifying and explaining away this, that and the other thing. She always had to have the last word and she put her self out there as having all the answers, insistent on her version being the "correct" version on every point.

Well, to illustrate this character trait and to show how far it goes, I noticed in the interview with Dets. Melich and... Edwards, I think his name is, when Cindy moves across the table to look at the calendar, Melich picks her purse up from the chair to place it on the table, and explains he's moving it because some people might forget it's there, Cindy has to keep saying that a woman wouldn't forget her purse (or words to that effect). Melich says again that he moved it because he's seen it happen where people have forgotten their bag (presumably because it was out of sight)... and Cindy can't let it go she just has to come back with a comment, "No I don't think someone would forget that" (or similar verbage.)

For the life of me, I have no idea why Cindy had to be right about something like that. The guy was just moving the purse; why not just say, "Thanks," and move on? It must be maddening to live with someone like that. I played that part of the tape twice because it annoyed me so much.

/rant


Am I mistaken or did Casey not leave her purse in the car when she had Tony pick her up? LOL

[TxLady2]

Boy would we all be going nuts with no new info. BUT, bet the ANthonys would be affected more. Yes, take down the cam, NG discuss something else, reporters do not go to any court hearings, or house for interviews, protestors stay away. Bet meltdown would be soon. (Unfortunately, some of us would meltdown too) But wonder how long before Cindy would call news media to give them an update, and ask why they are not out looking. Because we know that if she is found dead, it is all our fault.

True. And if you notice, NG is already morphing into covering other cases. She does not devote the entire program to this case now. I bet Cindy would absolutely shrivel up if it goes quiet now. But that might be all it takes to get them stirred up again.

[threesnugbugs]

..

that was really inappropriate.

[barskin&co.]

Good Morning ALL! I escaped my "TIME OUT" to say that like him or not, Cindy is what Dr. Phil would call a RIGHT FIGHTER. It amazes me that she can't seem to SEE that when it's so obviously pinpointed by most of you early on?

Imagine a Right Fighters frustration, having a daughter like PPoF, that lies and does everything just the opposite of right? My gosh, no wonder we need the new AA Group (Anthonys Anon) One day, mayyyybe, Cindy will see that admitting you have a problem is the FIRST step to recovery?

Until then, I'd like to begin healing with opening this chapter of our CYBER AA 12 Step morning meeting with:

"HI! My name is DiamondLil and I have a problem...:seeya:
(several problems actually when referring to this family/case)

Hi, DiamondLil, welcome to a hotbed of codependant addicts!! :seeya: