Wednesday, 10/1 DAY 107

[kitty1182]

:eek: RUN casey, run............. :chicken:

Yep, I have a pretty good grip in my hands..:o

[jammies]

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Amy: "Um, was looking for the bathroom and Casey's mom called me there. So, that was probably around 5 o'clock."


I'd bet there were quite a few texts between Amy and Casey after that phone call. Human nature would lead Amy to contact Casey and at least ask "what's going on? What's this all about", etc.

[WinnieLeigh7]

She could have looked like she was changing a diaper. Lots of moms do that in the back of the car. There were diapers in the car. imo


Okie Dokie, I got'cha

So, well, regardless this rules out "accidential drowning" right?? Cause George was home that day...

Could still be that she "accidentially" left her in the car, but this was daylight, someone would have seen her, right?

(for the record, I don't believe "accident" anyway)...


I need to find the phone records, pings, text, etc. for that day, that time frame.
Where was Casey??

Any of you computer smarties help me out with that?? :)

[kitty1182]

move over sista! i want THAT job!!:D



We can do it together.:D

[barskin&co.]

Am I mistaken or did Casey not leave her purse in the car when she had Tony pick her up? LOL

She left a purse.

[Joan Weiss]

I'm wondering if Amy called casey anthony to verify she was at Lazarro's place before she and Cynthia rolled over there. I don't think she tipped her off that cynthia was coming.Morning, Reggie. Good to read you. Nah, I think she dropped Casey off there, and Casey probably pointed out that she didn't have a vehicle. Now I'm wondering if she told Amy she couldn't retrieve her car because it got towed. (Thinking about when they went to buy a gas can together) imo

[WillowInFlight]

Morning, barskin. Happy New Year. :seeya:

I also think she was planning to off C & G. imo

If that was the case I wonder why she chose Caylee first.

[martha]

I sure hope one day we will all know the truth about what happened to caylee but I know it will not come from the a's None of them know how to tell the truth. I am not sure they even have enought to try casey for anything. My hopes or dying now. jmho:rose:

[Regina.Lampert]

Yep, I have a pretty good grip in my hands..:o

You could snap her disgusting neck like a twig. :patriot:

[day2day]

We can do it together.:D

Sounds like a plan-by the time the prayer vigil is over..she will be begging to go back to jail! :D

[barskin&co.]

Morning, barskin. Happy New Year. :seeya:

I also think she was planning to off C & G. imo

Yes, but two full grown adults are a bit more difficut to handle.

[WinnieLeigh7]

:eek: RUN casey, run............. :chicken:

**Sticks foot out**

.................Trip..............

[Joan Weiss]

I'd bet there were quite a few texts between Amy and Casey after that phone call. Human nature would lead Amy to contact Casey and at least ask "what's going on? What's this all about", etc.No, I think Amy was steamed about her checks, can't see her playing GF at that point. imo

[bballgrl]

She left a purse.


Oh, Ok... I thought it was HER purse.

Geez, what a difference a little emphasis makes, huh? :D

[TxLady2]

Speaking of Cindy and incredible, remember when Cindy was going on all the cable news shows and had an answer for everything, justifying and explaining away this, that and the other thing. She always had to have the last word and she put her self out there as having all the answers, insistent on her version being the "correct" version on every point.

Well, to illustrate this character trait and to show how far it goes, I noticed in the interview with Dets. Melich and... Edwards, I think his name is, when Cindy moves across the table to look at the calendar, Melich picks her purse up from the chair to place it on the table, and explains he's moving it because some people might forget it's there, Cindy has to keep saying that a woman wouldn't forget her purse (or words to that effect). Melich says again that he moved it because he's seen it happen where people have forgotten their bag (presumably because it was out of sight)... and Cindy can't let it go she just has to come back with a comment, "No I don't think someone would forget that" (or similar verbage.)

For the life of me, I have no idea why Cindy had to be right about something like that. The guy was just moving the purse; why not just say, "Thanks," and move on? It must be maddening to live with someone like that. I played that part of the tape twice because it annoyed me so much.

/rant

Hi, yes, it IS maddening. I worked with a lady like that years ago. She always had to have the last word, and was always right. Cindy is very controlling, and Casey apparently inherited that trait. I feel sorry for George just for having to live in the same house with the two of them.

[Ladyhawk]

Am I mistaken or did Casey not leave her purse in the car when she had Tony pick her up? LOL

You are not mistaken that you heard Cindy say Casey left her purse in the car. I thought the purse business by the detectives was priceless....direct to Cindy that they knew what she said and that she didn't give them the purse. It went right over her head.

[Regina.Lampert]

**Sticks foot out**

.................Trip..............

:lol: !!!!!!!!!

[Joan Weiss]

Yes, but two full grown adults are a bit more difficut to handle.George was working nights. Cindy first, George in the AM. Easy to sneak up on someone when they're sleeping. Just musing here... imo

[threesnugbugs]

Originally Posted by shelkobe View Post
Speaking of Cindy and incredible, remember when Cindy was going on all the cable news shows and had an answer for everything, justifying and explaining away this, that and the other thing. She always had to have the last word and she put her self out there as having all the answers, insistent on her version being the "correct" version on every point.

Well, to illustrate this character trait and to show how far it goes, I noticed in the interview with Dets. Melich and... Edwards, I think his name is, when Cindy moves across the table to look at the calendar, Melich picks her purse up from the chair to place it on the table, and explains he's moving it because some people might forget it's there, Cindy has to keep saying that a woman wouldn't forget her purse (or words to that effect). Melich says again that he moved it because he's seen it happen where people have forgotten their bag (presumably because it was out of sight)... and Cindy can't let it go she just has to come back with a comment, "No I don't think someone would forget that" (or similar verbage.)

For the life of me, I have no idea why Cindy had to be right about something like that. The guy was just moving the purse; why not just say, "Thanks," and move on? It must be maddening to live with someone like that. I played that part of the tape twice because it annoyed me so much.

/rant


I think this would work for the detectives. Even Casey's mom said someone wouldn't "forget" a purse. That must mean that her own daughter didn't forget a purse in the car, she purposely left it there. Get what i mean?

[not.another]

Okay, so...

The vigils will be held at the church from now on. I wonder how far away that is? Probably just down the street. I'm wondering if both George & Cindy will attend these? If so, who will be home to watch sweet little innocent Casey? I'm sure they wouldnt leave her alone, would they?

Personally, I don't see these vigils lasting much longer. Poor Caylee is in a better place and sooner or later G&C will come to terms with the sad fact that Casey blew a fuse and killed her. imo

[penguinlady]

I am reading the texts between Casey and Amy. I am sure that this has been mentioned before...but Casey was going to go to Puerto Rico while Caylee was missing?? She sure seemed "happy" in her texts. I had a hard time going away on vacation and leaving the little guy and I KNEW he was safe and sound with dh's sister!

Casey is something else...:(

K

[Joan Weiss]

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/text_ocso_2.pdf

Reading the text messages. I see all incoming??? where's the outgoing?
Also ... looks like KEY dates are redacted... BUT when I scroll they flash for a minute. What's up with that? Are there more of these files to see?Morning, Idol. Very possible, they are holding back on some things, evidence for the murder trial. imo

[desmom]

But they agreed until Lee advised otherwise.

Why did they initially agree??
Why did Lee advise differently??
Why did they 'go along' with Lee? (vs. clearing 'themselves')?

What was that "changing of the minds conversation"??

I think Lee pointed out some things that LE knew were not true and would definitely be asked during a poly or maybe he pointed out they would only be allowed to answer Yes or No and not the blah, blah, blah we have been hearing for the last 107 days. jmo

[jammies]

No, I think Amy was steamed about her checks, can't see her playing GF at that point. imo


I meant while she was waiting for Cindy to pick her up at the mall.

[not.another]

Originally Posted by shelkobe View Post
Speaking of Cindy and incredible, remember when Cindy was going on all the cable news shows and had an answer for everything, justifying and explaining away this, that and the other thing. She always had to have the last word and she put her self out there as having all the answers, insistent on her version being the "correct" version on every point.

Well, to illustrate this character trait and to show how far it goes, I noticed in the interview with Dets. Melich and... Edwards, I think his name is, when Cindy moves across the table to look at the calendar, Melich picks her purse up from the chair to place it on the table, and explains he's moving it because some people might forget it's there, Cindy has to keep saying that a woman wouldn't forget her purse (or words to that effect). Melich says again that he moved it because he's seen it happen where people have forgotten their bag (presumably because it was out of sight)... and Cindy can't let it go she just has to come back with a comment, "No I don't think someone would forget that" (or similar verbage.)

For the life of me, I have no idea why Cindy had to be right about something like that. The guy was just moving the purse; why not just say, "Thanks," and move on? It must be maddening to live with someone like that. I played that part of the tape twice because it annoyed me so much.

/rant


I think this would work for the detectives. Even Casey's mom said someone wouldn't "forget" a purse. That must mean that her own daughter didn't forget her purse in the car, she purposely left it there. Get what i mean?


ITA about the purse. Get over it Cindy!

I think Casey was in a rush to be ready when TonE picked her up. She was holding food bags instead of her purse? I know from personal experience that if I don't have my purse, I feel naked. imo

[Joan Weiss]

I am reading the texts between Casey and Amy. I am sure that this has been mentioned before...but Casey was going to go to Puerto Rico while Caylee was missing?? She sure seemed "happy" in her texts. I had a hard time going away on vacation and leaving the little guy and I KNEW he was safe and sound with dh's sister!

Casey is something else...:(

KWell, considering that she and Tony were shopping at Blockbuster, the night of the day her child went missing, I wouldn't put anything past her. imo

[nc1948]

If that was the case I wonder why she chose Caylee first.

At three Caylee would have become a talker. Telling all.

[desmom]

Am I mistaken or did Casey not leave her purse in the car when she had Tony pick her up? LOL

Cindy said Casey's purse was in the car, so it must be true.
(not)
jmo

[Joan Weiss]

I meant while she was waiting for Cindy to pick her up at the mall.Yep. Whenever. :shrug:

[crymeariver2006]

She left a purse.

So sez Cindy.

:shrug:

[jammies]

ITA about the purse. Get over it Cindy!

I think Casey was in a rush to be ready when TonE picked her up. She was holding food bags instead of her purse? I know from personal experience that if I don't have my purse, I feel naked. imo


It was probably one of many purses Casey owned. Doesn't mean it was one she was using at the time. She had her important things with her as we learned when Lee picked them up at Tony's.

[klock777]

Last night on NG, when they were showing snipets of Cindy interview with LE - there was a part I have not seen. It was when the detective was leaning over and holding her hand - which I had seen in Part II video - BUT he was talking about the smell in the car, the squirrels, George using the car - hitting something - etc
I don't remember this part. The last part of Part II that I saw was the detective telling her she needed to be on their side and quit telling the media.....
Is there another part to the interview I missed? Is there a part III? I know on GA and Cindy interview videos that I watched, they did not come to and end - like with them leaving the room and saying goodbye or anything.
Anyone know?

[shelbar53]

I was bothered by the comment on NG last night about the car possibly being washed and neighbors saw it?? So I did some snooping around and I found previous discussions on it. The comments are from pics when the car was at the police impound, about how clean and shiney the car looked. It didnt look like it was sitting next to a dumpster for 3 day then at a tow yard yard for 15 days. look at how clean the windows, tires, and the entire car look.
http://www.ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=Policies%2F11.1.2CadCodes.pdf&tabid=233&mid=1812

[DiamondLil]

Hi, DiamondLil, welcome to a hotbed of codependant addicts!! :seeya:

Thank you BAR!! Hopefully I can get past the 50 post mark before getting the Dunce hat, AGAIN, this time around? I have a problem similiar to PPoF. I have a run on mouth. Too bad CW can't monitor the Princess or Cindy? CW can stifle a girl real quick, and cold turkey too! None of that coddling carp!

My question, per the chloroform, anybody recall how long a dose might last? Can't recall who to credit but I am starting to lean toward the poster that suggested a soaked blanket,towel, toy, etc.. in the trunk with Caylee. I wonder if this theory could explain why the concentration levels were so high. I have been rethinking the theory of it being used as a solvent now, if PPoF had made this method of child care a regular part of her mysterious routine?

Things that make ya go, "Hmmmm" never ending at these meetings... :confused:

[Rayosunshine]

Morning,
I am reading the text messages (http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/10/) from Casey to Amy, there is a life time of them, unbelieveable.


My system freezes up when I try to open the messages.

Did you notice that some of the messages are out of sequence, there is a 4/24, 5/19 then a 4/24 date, among others.

[nc1948]

Okay, so...

The vigils will be held at the church from now on. I wonder how far away that is? Probably just down the street. I'm wondering if both George & Cindy will attend these? If so, who will be home to watch sweet little innocent Casey? I'm sure they wouldnt leave her alone, would they?

Personally, I don't see these vigils lasting much longer. Poor Caylee is in a better place and sooner or later G&C will come to terms with the sad fact that Casey blew a fuse and killed her. imo

I kindof disagree. The vigils purpose is to make the Anthonys look like victims and get more financial support. I think they will play this out as long as it is profitable.

[shelbar53]

sorry wrong link in previous post

http://www.local6.com/slideshow/news/17315856/detail.html

[Joan Weiss]

ITA about the purse. Get over it Cindy!

I think Casey was in a rush to be ready when TonE picked her up. She was holding food bags instead of her purse? I know from personal experience that if I don't have my purse, I feel naked. imoYes, that's what I think. She didn't leave her keys in the car, nor her phone. I think she dumped the car and then walked home, got the food, and walked back to Amscot. If you're walking, and intending to carry food, you're not going to carry a purse. I never do. imo

[day2day]

Wasn't the phone disconnected for awhile and only incomming calls would go through?

IIRC 24 hours.

[desmom]

No, I think Amy was steamed about her checks, can't see her playing GF at that point. imo


Amy didn't know here account had been cleaned out at that time. jmo

[barskin&co.]

Last night on NG, when they were showing snipets of Cindy interview with LE - there was a part I have not seen. It was when the detective was leaning over and holding her hand - which I had seen in Part II video - BUT he was talking about the smell in the car, the squirrels, George using the car - hitting something - etc
I don't remember this part. The last part of Part II that I saw was the detective telling her she needed to be on their side and quit telling the media.....
Is there another part to the interview I missed? Is there a part III? I know on GA and Cindy interview videos that I watched, they did not come to and end - like with them leaving the room and saying goodbye or anything.
Anyone know?

Yes, there is a part 3 that is actually an overlap of part 2, but it continues to the end of the interview. It should be on the links thread, but I will take a look at my bookmarks, as well.

[jammies]

Last night on NG, when they were showing snipets of Cindy interview with LE - there was a part I have not seen. It was when the detective was leaning over and holding her hand - which I had seen in Part II video - BUT he was talking about the smell in the car, the squirrels, George using the car - hitting something - etc
I don't remember this part. The last part of Part II that I saw was the detective telling her she needed to be on their side and quit telling the media.....
Is there another part to the interview I missed? Is there a part III? I know on GA and Cindy interview videos that I watched, they did not come to and end - like with them leaving the room and saying goodbye or anything.
Anyone know?


The last part is the Yuri holding her hand. Cuts off when he asks her if she was outside looking in at this case, blah blah. The end.

[steffaroob4]

I'm wondering if Amy called casey anthony to verify she was at Lazarro's place before she and Cynthia rolled over there. I don't think she tipped her off that cynthia was coming.

Maybe she texted something about the camera that was being shipped to Hopespring that belonged to Amy, that last text from Amy could have been about the camera (http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/Textocso3.pdf). page 59

[Joan Weiss]

I was bothered by the comment on NG last night about the car possibly being washed and neighbors saw it?? So I did some snooping around and I found previous discussions on it. The comments are from pics when the car was at the police impound, about how clean and shiney the car looked. It didnt look like it was sitting next to a dumpster for 3 day then at a tow yard yard for 15 days. look at how clean the windows, tires, and the entire car look.
http://www.ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=Policies%2F11.1.2CadCodes.pdf&tabid=233&mid=1812This is not a link to the car. :confused:

[shelbar53]

This is not a link to the car. :confused:

sorry, i did repost the link but here it is again

http://www.local6.com/slideshow/news/17315856/detail.html

[Joan Weiss]

Morning Joanie!
UGH .. it's so frustrating! You think you're approaching the good part and BAM! BIG BLACK BOX!I know. We are all going to have nervous breakdowns...not the Anthonys, though. :( imo

[EGirl]

We can do it together.:D

Wait for me! :D

[bballgrl]

Question in the beginning of the case. GA said Caylee had her Dora The Explorer Backback with her on the 16th of June and to LE in his interview he says she had a backpack with monkies all over it. :shrug:

Is it a Dora the explorer backpack with monkeys all over it or didhe give 2 different description which shows he is lying about seeing them that day?


Dora has a friend called boots. He could have been the background to the backpack (boots is a monkey) I don't know.. just throwing that out there.

[?noanswer]

Hi, Amy. Kobi has agreed to testify for the defense. Casey's attorney has to pay him... which will come out of his paycheck.. whoever is paying Baez. The family does not hire the experts.. the defense does.
Not sure whether these experts are paid by the shows themselves or what.. but when one is called a "contributor" I would assume they get a small stipend for appearing and voicing their opinions. That's just me, though.

Sometimes the defense just "hires" experts so that LE cannot use them. JMO

[desmom]

I must click on this link http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547 a dozen times a day looking for something new.

[crymeariver2006]

I was bothered by the comment on NG last night about the car possibly being washed and neighbors saw it?? So I did some snooping around and I found previous discussions on it. The comments are from pics when the car was at the police impound, about how clean and shiney the car looked. It didnt look like it was sitting next to a dumpster for 3 day then at a tow yard yard for 15 days. look at how clean the windows, tires, and the entire car look.
http://www.ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=Policies%2F11.1.2CadCodes.pdf&tabid=233&mid=1812

What am I? Chopped liver?

I've been saying that since George first uttered "Arm & Hammer"! :D

And notice the black bra thing on the front? No dead animal fur or anything!

:biggrin:

[Joan Weiss]

sorry, i did repost the link but here it is again

http://www.local6.com/slideshow/news/17315856/detail.htmlThank you, shel. Yep, George cleaned it. Lee said George loves to detail the cars. One can only wonder what other evidence was in the car. imo

[Joan Weiss]

I must click on this link http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547 a dozen times a day looking for something new.You are excellent at finding info. Thank you so much. :beer:

[Rayosunshine]

Interesting text (http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/text_ocso_2.pdf)(page 37) from casey to Amy on July 15th at 5:30. She says, "Oh ok, my mom texted me something about it."

Do we remember when CA first called Amy???? Do you think Amy gave Casey a heads up allowing casey to delete her computer files?


Interesting. I thought Amy may have clued Casey in, at their age, I would imagine that's what they'd do.

[TxLady2]

Well, I hope that they don't charge her right away, until they get this case wrapped up tight. Better for them to make sure there are no loose ends. I'm disappointed in a way, sure... but I don't want any chances of her walking out of there.
I know there are some legal experts here... is it a fact that they can't charge someone with Murder One unless they can prove premeditation? Or does that vary state to state? Anyway... IIRC from reading other sites... not clear on whether they can go ahead and try her on the child neglect charges and then later charge her with murder or manslaughter. I did hear some lawyers discussing this a couple weeks ago.. but it was still unclear to me. I would really like to know if they plan to charge her just before the neglect trial comes up.. or if they plan to get her in prison and then take their time to build a case against her for murder.
Btw.. I have to get off here in a few and get some housework and laundry done... maybe even cook a decent meal. So will try to get back today and check for answers to my questions. If not... sorry!
Have a great day, everyone.
Caylee, wherever you are... God Bless You! :rose:

[Joan Weiss]

What am I? Chopped liver?

I've been saying that since George first uttered "Arm & Hammer"! :D

And notice the black bra thing on the front? No dead animal fur or anything!

:biggrin:I love chopped liver. :D

[aubrey04]

No she will use appeals it won't be that quick.

I am really MAD that the LE hasn't charged her ...obviously they dont' have anything on her!!!!!!! Pulling officers from other violent areas? She just gets all kinds of protection..I am so glad my tax dollars are going to that messed up LE department. IMO LE screwed this up from the get go.

Apparently you haven't heard but Sheriff Beary stated that this is a VERY complex HOMICIDE case and they are working as hard as they can on this HOMICIDE case. He stated that things do not happen in the timeframe of a "Texas Walker Ranger" episode unfortunately. I don't have the link for that but it was in last nights thread.

Do you think you could do a better job..? Have you read all the documents and how many lies Casey spun? LE is having to unravel it all.. That will be a LONG process. It is unfair to say that LE screwed this up from the get-go. They were LIED to from the get-go then the one person who could solve this case - lawyered up. They are dealing with hearsay and lies right now.. and having to piece it all together and make it fit.

Why are people so impatient about it? She's on house arrest with an ankle bracelet.. then looking at a couple years in jail for her financial crimes and child neglect charges.. She isn't going anywhere. There is plenty of time to make the case against her iron-clad.

Also - here is a link which states that Casey could be charged within WEEKS..

http://www.wesh.com/news/17563488/detail.html

[Pooh]

Well, I hope that they don't charge her right away, until they get this case wrapped up tight. Better for them to make sure there are no loose ends. I'm disappointed in a way, sure... but I don't want any chances of her walking out of there.
I know there are some legal experts here... is it a fact that they can't charge someone with Murder One unless they can prove premeditation? Or does that vary state to state? Anyway... IIRC from reading other sites... not clear on whether they can go ahead and try her on the child neglect charges and then later charge her with murder or manslaughter. I did hear some lawyers discussing this a couple weeks ago.. but it was still unclear to me. I would really like to know if they plan to charge her just before the neglect trial comes up.. or if they plan to get her in prison and then take their time to build a case against her for murder.
Btw.. I have to get off here in a few and get some housework and laundry done... maybe even cook a decent meal. So will try to get back today and check for answers to my questions. If not... sorry!
Have a great day, everyone.
Caylee, wherever you are... God Bless You! :rose:
I'm no expert but I would guess that the Choloform searches would go a long way toward proving premeditation. Also the missing children sites visits.

[Regina.Lampert]

Maybe she texted something about the camera that was being shipped to Hopespring that belonged to Amy, that last text from Amy could have been about the camera (http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/Textocso3.pdf). page 59

Yep Steff, could be something as simple as that. I am very
disappointed that they don't include the dates and times for the critical messages. :mad:

[steffaroob4]

My system freezes up when I try to open the messages.

Did you notice that some of the messages are out of sequence, there is a 4/24, 5/19 then a 4/24 date, among others.

Yup, it was weird, I like order.

[barskin&co.]

What am I? Chopped liver?

I've been saying that since George first uttered "Arm & Hammer"! :D

And notice the black bra thing on the front? No dead animal fur or anything!

:biggrin:

Yes, you are chopped liver! Here, let me spread you on a piece of matza.

Lee joked in the LE interview about he and Casey being no so very neat (when he was talking about the packed bag), and the abandoned, towed car was sooo clean...

[kitty1182]

sorry wrong link in previous post

http://www.local6.com/slideshow/news/17315856/detail.html



Very clean car!!

[Pooh]

Apparently you haven't heard but Sheriff Beary stated that this is a VERY complex HOMICIDE case and they are working as hard as they can on this HOMICIDE case. He stated that things do not happen in the timeframe of a "Texas Walker Ranger" episode unfortunately. I don't have the link for that but it was in last nights thread.

Do you think you could do a better job..? Have you read all the documents and how many lies Casey spun? LE is having to unravel it all.. That will be a LONG process. It is unfair to say that LE screwed this up from the get-go. They were LIED to from the get-go then the one person who could solve this case - lawyered up. They are dealing with hearsay and lies right now.. and having to piece it all together and make it fit.

Why are people so impatient about it? She's on house arrest with an ankle bracelet.. then looking at a couple years in jail for her financial crimes and child neglect charges.. She isn't going anywhere. There is plenty of time to make the case against her iron-clad.

Also - here is a link which states that Casey could be charged within WEEKS..

http://www.wesh.com/news/17563488/detail.html

Great post, aubrey. It's a shame this needs to be repeated over and over again.

[Joan Weiss]

Sometimes the defense just "hires" experts so that LE cannot use them. JMOI agree. Dr. Koby has a good reputation. Now I'm wondering if LE in this case has their own in-house experts. Anyone know about that? Maybe the FBI?

I recall Scott P retained Geragos after his TH stint on various news talk shows. imo

[happy2bme]

I just read the NG transripts.

Does anyone believe what LP told about Cindy actually choking Casey? I wonder if Caylee witnessed this?

[day2day]

Be back in a few-i have to take a test for work :rolleyes:!! Obviously they don't understand i was busy HERE. LOL!!
:seeya:

[Mairi II]

Apparently you haven't heard but Sheriff Beary stated that this is a VERY complex HOMICIDE case and they are working as hard as they can on this HOMICIDE case. He stated that things do not happen in the timeframe of a "Texas Walker Ranger" episode unfortunately. I don't have the link for that but it was in last nights thread.

Do you think you could do a better job..? Have you read all the documents and how many lies Casey spun? LE is having to unravel it all.. That will be a LONG process. It is unfair to say that LE screwed this up from the get-go. They were LIED to from the get-go then the one person who could solve this case - lawyered up. They are dealing with hearsay and lies right now.. and having to piece it all together and make it fit.

Why are people so impatient about it? She's on house arrest with an ankle bracelet.. then looking at a couple years in jail for her financial crimes and child neglect charges.. She isn't going anywhere. There is plenty of time to make the case against her iron-clad.

Also - here is a link which states that Casey could be charged within WEEKS..

http://www.wesh.com/news/17563488/detail.html

Good post. And let's not forget, LE is working on a virtual cold case - it was 31 days old when they received it.

[not.another]

I kindof disagree. The vigils purpose is to make the Anthonys look like victims and get more financial support. I think they will play this out as long as it is profitable.


Are they receiving money (donations) at these vigils? I thought they were strictly to pray for Caylee?

[Pooh]

I just read the NG transripts.

Does anyone believe what LP told about Cindy actually choking Casey? I wonder if Caylee witnessed this?

I believe it. Someone else said it too but I don't remember who. Maybe Lee?

[WillowInFlight]

I just read the NG transripts.

Does anyone believe what LP told about Cindy actually choking Casey? I wonder if Caylee witnessed this?

I don't doubt it, but how did Lenny say he heard about it?

[Joan Weiss]

Yes, you are chopped liver! Here, let me spread you on a piece of matza.

Lee joked in the LE interview about he and Casey but no so very neat (when he was talking about the packed bag), and the abandoned, towed car was sooo clean...Ooooh...can I join you? :D

Yep, I'll bet her car was a mess. George probably cleaned it regularly. Fast food, etc... imo

I don't allow anyone to eat in my car.

[jammies]

I don't doubt it, but how did Lenny say he heard about it?


He said to ask Lee so I'm assuming Lee told him.

[Bluegal]

http://www.wesh.com/news/17596969/detail.html?rss=orl&psp=news

I understand that their neighbors want some peace & quiet --- but to take TWO ON-DUTY police officers out of HIGH crime areas to babysit this 'odious monster' --- well, that makes me sick!

And what even more disgusting - they are being paid with your tax dollars!

Casey- is there anything else we can do for you to make your life more comfortable??

[happy2bme]

I believe it. Someone else said it too but I don't remember who. Maybe Lee?


This was the first I had heard of it. George was not at home when it happened?

[WillowInFlight]

Are they receiving money (donations) at these vigils? I thought they were strictly to pray for Caylee?

I am willing to bet they are asking for donations. Is George still parking at Publix? You would think by now he would know Caylee is not there.

[TxLady2]

I'm no expert but I would guess that the Choloform searches would go a long way toward proving premeditation. Also the missing children sites visits.

Thanks... do we know when the searches were done, though, as to the chloroform? As to the missing children sites.... that does seem odd.
There wouldn't be any facts regarding whether the children died or by what manner, if they are still missing, though.
I don't think it would be hard to prove a motive either, considering her party life, and she certainly did not want the responsibilty of a child. So... hopefully, they will have enough soon!

[Pooh]

This was the first I had heard of it. George was not at home when it happened?
That wasn't clear to me, even the first time I heard it. Cindy was pizzed about finding out Casey stole money from her grandparents. That was the big fight on Father's Day evening.

[happy2bme]

Can someone please help?

I found these call records and I'd like to see all calls made that day not just these. Actually would like to read June 15th and June 16th if someone could help with a link. Thanks.

June 16th 2008

3:03 to dad’s cell
4:10 to mom’s work
4:11 to mom’s cell
4:13 to mom’s cell
4:14 to mom’s work
4:19 to Tony Lazzaro
4:21 to Jesse Grund
4:24 mom’s cell
6:32 mom at home
6:33 home voicemail
7:06 mom at home
7:20 Amy

Have the GP's ever said why they didn't answer the phone? Did Casey leave messages?

[barskin&co.]

I don't doubt it, but how did Lenny say he heard about it?

He said that Lee told him, but Lee couldn't have been a witness, so Casey must have told Lee. Now, we have the problem of "Casey said..." Unless, Cindy told him, out of guilt? :confused: But, is that possible?
I have a problem trusting what Casey or Cindy says happened without a videotape.

[sickntired]

If Cindy was so angry at Casey for stealing money from her and the grandparents that she put her hands around Casey's throat....why isn't she angry enough to hammer Casey to find out what she did with Caylee?

[Joan Weiss]

I'm no expert but I would guess that the Choloform searches would go a long way toward proving premeditation. Also the missing children sites visits.Right. They're not enough to convict, but they're all pieces of the puzzle. Circumstantial evidence. Without a body, they need everything they can get. imo

[steffaroob4]

Yep Steff, could be something as simple as that. I am very
disappointed that they don't include the dates and times for the critical messages. :mad:

seems odd they are not there, since they are on the others. I am just glad we get to see them, they do help.

[FoxySly]

I hope you are right, that seems like a lot of rooms for that size house, tho.


I agree. IIRC it is a 4 bedroom 2 bath and only about 1500 sq feet.

Reminds me of all the track houses built in Las Vegas during the 70's when people were bragging about how many bedrooms instead of how many sq feet.

Those houses bedrooms held a bed with hardly no room to walk around about 8X10' and what was called a "step saver kitchen" because you didn't hardly need to take a step to reach from one end to the other.

These houses usually have one very small 'bedroom' no bigger then a walk in closet, in which a bed would hardly fit and are used as dens.

Sly

[Pooh]

Thanks... do we know when the searches were done, though, as to the chloroform? As to the missing children sites.... that does seem odd.
There wouldn't be any facts regarding whether the children died or by what manner, if they are still missing, though.
I don't think it would be hard to prove a motive either, considering her party life, and she certainly did not want the responsibilty of a child. So... hopefully, they will have enough soon!
Unless something has changed that I don't know about, the dates of the Chloroform searches have not been released. If someone knows otherwise, please set me straight.

[bballgrl]

I don't doubt it, but how did Lenny say he heard about it?

I believe he heard it from Lee

[happy2bme]

He said that Lee told him, but Lee couldn't have been a witness, so Casey must have told Lee. Now, we have the problem of "Casey said..." Unless, Cindy told him, out of guilt? :confused: But, is that possible?
I have a problem trusting what Casey or Cindy says happened without a videotape.


Leads me to believe why cindy was to hush, hush about the big fight.

1. She didn't want anyone to know she choked Casey (if its true and if so who can blame her)

2. She didn't want anyone to know Casey stole money from the GGP.

[sickntired]

Have the GP's ever said why they didn't answer the phone? Did Casey leave messages?

I think George & Cindy were ticked off at Casey...and that is why no one answered the phone. JMO

[Pooh]

If Cindy was so angry at Casey for stealing money from her and the grandparents that she put her hands around Casey's throat....why isn't she angry enough to hammer Casey to find out what she did with Caylee?

I know, makes no sense. This family makes no sense.

[steffaroob4]

Very clean car!!

yup, white cars are so hard to keep clean, I hated washing my parents white car and swore I would never buy a white car.

[Pooh]

Yeah NG asked him "HOW" he knew this was true and he said "Why dont you ask Lee"

(Now my qte may not be word for word but pretty close without having to look up the transcript. I watched NG 3 times last night, LOL)
You have it right regarding what Leonard said last night. But I heard this story before and I don't think it was from Leonard. I just can't remember where I heard it from originally. Frustrating!

[happy2bme]

Yeah NG asked him "HOW" he knew this was true and he said "Why dont you ask Lee"

(Now my qte may not be word for word but pretty close without having to look up the transcript. I watched NG 3 times last night, LOL)





PADILLA: Cindy put her hands around Casey`s throat and practically choked her out that night. It scared the hell out of Casey. It had never happened before.

GRACE: Why?

PADILLA: Because of the money she stole from her parents. She was so upset about that, that she just could not control herself, and if you listen to George, he`ll tell you, he lives -- he lives with a controlling woman and a controlling daughter.

GRACE: Now, where did you get the information that she actually put her hands around mom Casey`s throat?

PADILLA: You can ask Casey`s brother, Lee. He`ll tell you.

[margaritaville]

Leads me to believe why cindy was to hush, hush about the big fight.

1. She didn't want anyone to know she choked Casey (if its true and if so who can blame her)

2. She didn't want anyone to know Casey stole money from the GGP.

But the stolen money was the reason she used for calling the police the first time...
that Casey stole money. she had to have known the police would figure out it was from the GGP......

IMHO

[beckyj]

If Cindy was so angry at Casey for stealing money from her and the grandparents that she put her hands around Casey's throat....why isn't she angry enough to hammer Casey to find out what she did with Caylee?

You read my mind!

[DiamondLil]

I am willing to bet they are asking for donations. Is George still parking at Publix? You would think by now he would know Caylee is not there.

And does George have NO PRIDE? My gosh, talk about someone with a PROBLEM? His two main women have him reduced to public panhandling? Is it me, or would most people be humiliated out there begging for spare change, food stamps, W.I.C.Vouchers, government cheese, a drink of water, with a sign reading:

"WILL WORK FOR SPITEFUL and CONTROLLING BIOTCHes" sign?

Geez George, maybe beg for a pair of pants with a couple of gonads included in them?!!

[kitty1182]

I am an Insurance agent so I use these sites everyday...hope anyone will find this intresting.

http://www.ocpafl.org/pls/webappI/get_parcel_master?pid=302313129600500&query_data=1111111O&tax_year=2008



Thank you!!!

[trich]

Thank you, shel. Yep, George cleaned it. Lee said George loves to detail the cars. One can only wonder what other evidence was in the car. imo


Okay if as Lee said in his interview that George called him to go to the house on July 15 because Cindy was so upset ...I thought George was at work.
and he did and the car was in the garage as he said....stinking real bad.
When could he have washed it if he was working and did not come home until after police were c alled.
I got the impression that George was not even home when the police came......if this is true did Cindy wash the car before she called 911?
Why do that and then still say it smelled like a dead body was in the car.

[Pooh]

And does George have NO PRIDE? My gosh, talk about someone with a PROBLEM? His two main women have him reduced to public panhandling? Is it me, or would most people be humiliated out there begging for spare change, food stamps, W.I.C.Vouchers, government cheese, a drink of water, with a sign reading:

"WILL WORK FOR SPITEFUL and CONTROLLING BIOTCHes" sign?

Geez George, maybe beg for a pair of pants with a couple of gonads included in them?!!
LOL! Funny!

[kitty1182]

Okay if as Lee said in his interview that George called him to go to the house on JUne 15 because Cindy was so upset ...I thought George was at work.
and he did and the car was in the garage as he said....stinking real bad.
When could he have washed it if he was working and did not come home until after police were c alled.
I got the impression that George was not even home when the police came......if this is true did Cindy wash the car before she called 911?
Why do that and then still say it smelled like a dead body was in the car.

If I found my son and dil's car and it smelled like that, I would not touch a thing..I would call LE to come to my house ASAP!!

[WinnieLeigh7]

Can someone please help?

I found these call records and I'd like to see all calls made that day not just these. Actually would like to read June 15th and June 16th if someone could help with a link. Thanks.

June 16th 2008

3:03 to dad’s cell
4:10 to mom’s work
4:11 to mom’s cell
4:13 to mom’s cell
4:14 to mom’s work
4:19 to Tony Lazzaro
4:21 to Jesse Grund
4:24 mom’s cell
6:32 mom at home
6:33 home voicemail
7:06 mom at home
7:20 Amy



hhmm going back to my lil' ''theory'' and based on this information...
if you want to correlate the calls
I'd say Caylee's time of death was around 4:00 pm, June 16th

then what?? What happened in the 2 hours btw ~430 and ~630

[WinnieLeigh7]

Unless something has changed that I don't know about, the dates of the Chloroform searches have not been released. If someone knows otherwise, please set me straight.

I heard on NG it was BEFORE Caylee went missing, but I haven't heard exact dates

[Joan Weiss]

Amy didn't know here account had been cleaned out at that time. jmoBut her checkbook was missing, and Casey had her car. Are you sure? I'll check it out...Thanks. imo

[margaritaville]

I think Cindy started cleaning the car when she was taking things like the pants and knife etc out to clean them. JMO

Okay.......If it was me and I wnated to get a nasty smell out of a car i would shampoo the carpet..... I don't think Cindy really tried to clean it.
I think she took stuff out but clean it?? If she did, she doesn't know how to clean......imo

I would have taken it to our do-it-yourself car wash and use the carpet shampoo machine and shampoo it... I wonder why she didn't???

Maybe GA told her to leave it??

Just my 2 cents............

[nc1948]

Are they receiving money (donations) at these vigils? I thought they were strictly to pray for Caylee?

Sorry, I was not clear. I did not mean to say receive money at vigil, alth I would not be surprised. I think they use the vigils as a means to make them look like victims so that the public will feel sorry for them and send them money. They ask for donations on the helpfindcaylee website and it is to be sent to the Hopesprings address. They also ask for water/snacks/t-shirt etc. I am really curious as to who the snacks and water are for. IS this the water Cindy always has in her hand when she is on camera? Sorry, but this web site really, really bothers me. They also sell T-shirts(are these donated ones) for a donations of $10.00) To me, this has all become about money and Caylee is now their cash cow. I realize they have posted the trust fund info, but i bet most of the collections at the grocery stores are in cash. Yuck.

[Joan Weiss]

hhmm going back to my lil' ''theory'' and based on this information...
if you want to correlate the calls
I'd say Caylee's time of death was around 4:00 pm, June 16th

then what?? What happened in the 2 hours btw ~430 and ~630She mourned her for two hours, then went to Tony's and her new life?

[WillowInFlight]

Okay.......If it was me and I wnated to get a nasty smell out of a car i would shampoo the carpet..... I don't think Cindy really tried to clean it.
I think she took stuff out but clean it?? If she did, she doesn't know how to clean......imo

I would have taken it to our do-it-yourself car wash and use the carpet shampoo machine and shampoo it... I wonder why she didn't???

Maybe GA told her to leave it??

Just my 2 cents............

I would have dumped it in the lake at the park.

[margaritaville]

hhmm going back to my lil' ''theory'' and based on this information...
if you want to correlate the calls
I'd say Caylee's time of death was around 4:00 pm, June 16th

then what?? What happened in the 2 hours btw ~430 and ~630

She broke into the shed, grabbed a shovel and burried her in the back yard!?

MOO

[WillowInFlight]

Sorry, I was not clear. I did not mean to say receive money at vigil, alth I would not be surprised. I think they use the vigils as a means to make them look like victims so that the public will feel sorry for them and send them money. They ask for donations on the helpfindcaylee website and it is to be sent to the Hopesprings address. They also ask for water/snacks/t-shirt etc. I am really curious as to who the snacks and water are for. IS this the water Cindy always has in her hand when she is on camera? Sorry, but this web site really, really bothers me. They also sell T-shirts(are these donated ones) for a donations of $10.00) To me, this has all become about money and Caylee is now their cash cow. I realize they have posted the trust fund info, but i bet most of the collections at the grocery stores are in cash. Yuck.

Well some say this was nothing but a money scheme that went way wrong.:shrug:

[nc1948]

If Cindy was so angry at Casey for stealing money from her and the grandparents that she put her hands around Casey's throat....why isn't she angry enough to hammer Casey to find out what she did with Caylee?

Because money is more important to Cindy than Caylee.

[shelbar53]

Okay if as Lee said in his interview that George called him to go to the house on July 15 because Cindy was so upset ...I thought George was at work.
and he did and the car was in the garage as he said....stinking real bad.
When could he have washed it if he was working and did not come home until after police were c alled.
I got the impression that George was not even home when the police came......if this is true did Cindy wash the car before she called 911?
Why do that and then still say it smelled like a dead body was in the car.
after he picked it up and brought it home from the tow yard, maybe that is when he washed it, then he went to work.
what time did he pick up car?
what time did he go to work?
what time did cindy pick up casey?
what time did cindy and casey get home?

[steffaroob4]

This is what I have so far:
GA called Casey at 3, notice they left out calls to Tony L, there are also texts she sent to Tony, they left out. I believe casey was calling CA to get her to watch Caylee so she could go get a movie with Tony at Blockbuster that night. I think CA either said no, or didn't answer her call because of father day night fight.




3:03pm - George Anthony's Cell (67 min to the next call) *Casey's father
3:04pm- GA calls Casey 26 seconds 28.502844, -81.286333

3:35- Casey to Tony L, 22 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333

4:10pm - Cindy Anthony's Work (1 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother
4:10pm- Casey to Lexus of Orlando 34 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333

4:10pm - Cindy Anthony's Work (1 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother
4:11:25 Casey to CA at work, 0 seconds, no tower evidence, just blank

4:11pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell (2 minutes to the next call) *
4:11:49 Casey to CA at work, 3 seconds, 28.4547222 -81.2636111

4:13pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell (1 minutes to the next call) *
4:13pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell 2 seconds 28.502844, -81.286333

4:14pm - Cindy Anthony's Work (5 minutes to the next call) *
4:19pm - Anthony Lazzaro (2 minutes to the next call) *Casey's Boyfriend
4:21pm - Jesse Grund (3 minutes to the next call) *Casey's ex-Boyfriend
4:24pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell (8 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother
6:32pm - The Anthony Home (1 minute to the next call) *Casey's mother and father's house
6:33pm - Voicemail (33 minutes to the next call) *
7:06pm - The Anthony Home (14 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother and father's house
7:20pm - Amy Huizenga (? anymore calls after that) *Casey's close friend at the time

[FeelinFroggy617]

But her checkbook was missing, and Casey had her car. Are you sure? I'll check it out...Thanks. imo


From NG last night:


POLICE: When you guys picked up the car, what else in the car that may not have been in the car when we -- when we inventoried it?

GEORGE: You guys are aware of the smell of the car?

POLICE: Well, I`m trying to tip toe around that issue. Because I know it`s a sensitive one.

GEORGE: I`ve just got to tell you my feelings. I don`t like how it smells. I`m being straight with you guys.

POLICE: I`m sorry?

GEORGE: I don`t like the smell of the car. I`m being straight with you guys.

POLICE: We didn`t like the smell, either.

GEORGE: I`m being straight and honest.

POLICE: We appreciate that, George and we wouldn`t share that with anyone.

POLICE: Yes, because that`s a difficult topic for you.

GEORGE: It`s tough. You know, stuff has got to come out. That`s the way it is. I`m not going to hold back.




What ever happened to this side of GA?

[margaritaville]

I would have dumped it in the lake at the park.

yeah there ya go!!

[ellegna]

Where did she use this chloroform??

No one saw a girl holding something over the face of a child??

Once she used this chloroform, and placed her in the trunk (lets saw for a few days, at least two...before the 'shovel' occurance)...

no one saw a girl placing a child into the trunk?

What's the track record for the time between 1-8pm on the 16th?? Anyone know? Phone records, pings, text, etc??

JMHO but I don't believe you have to put chloroform over the face.
All Casey had to do was saturate a cloth, roll up the windows, close the door and walk away. The fumes would have overpowered Caylee.

Casey could have chloroformed Caylee then moved her body into the trunk while in her parent's garage. If the garage door was down, no one would have seen anything :shrug:

[DiamondLil]

[QUOTE=FeelinFroggy617;12214496]From NG last night:


POLICE: When you guys picked up the car, what else in the car that may not have been in the car when we -- when we inventoried it?

GEORGE: You guys are aware of the smell of the car?

POLICE: Well, I`m trying to tip toe around that issue. Because I know it`s a sensitive one.

GEORGE: I`ve just got to tell you my feelings. I don`t like how it smells. I`m being straight with you guys.

POLICE: I`m sorry?

GEORGE: I don`t like the smell of the car. I`m being straight with you guys.

POLICE: We didn`t like the smell, either.

GEORGE: I`m being straight and honest.

POLICE: We appreciate that, George and we wouldn`t share that with anyone.

POLICE: Yes, because that`s a difficult topic for you.

GEORGE: It`s tough. You know, stuff has got to come out. That`s the way it is. I`m not going to hold back.




What ever happened to this side of GA?

Just my uneducated "HUNCH?" that his GIRLS weren't standing over him with a set of nut crackers and their 30 day script?:shrug:

[snap4]

Hopefully it won't go on much longer. Her neglect trial starts on 11/14 and I expect a quick guilty verdict and a swift move to prison.


Quick question ... Just wondering if they charge her with neglect and convict her on it, can they still try to prosicute her for murder for the same incident? Or is this some sort of Double jeaopardy thing? If they can't charge her for murder after that then they will have to charge her before that trial makes it to court right? So if that is true, then that would be LE's deadline right?

[WinnieLeigh7]

JMHO but I don't believe you have to put chloroform over the face.
All Casey had to do was saturate a cloth, roll up the windows, close the door and walk away. The fumes would have overpowered Caylee.

Casey could have chloroformed Caylee then moved her body into the trunk while in her parent's garage. If the garage door was down, no one would have seen anything :shrug:

Surely if they were that strong of fumes, Casey getting back in the car...it would have also effected her in SOME way, even if she only slept, right?

[sickntired]

And does George have NO PRIDE? My gosh, talk about someone with a PROBLEM? His two main women have him reduced to public panhandling? Is it me, or would most people be humiliated out there begging for spare change, food stamps, W.I.C.Vouchers, government cheese, a drink of water, with a sign reading:

"WILL WORK FOR SPITEFUL and CONTROLLING BIOTCHes" sign?

Geez George, maybe beg for a pair of pants with a couple of gonads included in them?!!

:lol: Too funny!

[Joan Weiss]

If I found my son and dil's car and it smelled like that, I would not touch a thing..I would call LE to come to my house ASAP!!Imo, George should have called LE from the tow yard. Think about it; his daughter and granddaughter were "missing," Caylee's stuff was in the car along with the car seat, and there was a dead body smell, which he talks about in his interview with LE. WTH? Is this family that intent on keeping secrets? Was it a reflex action, or was he focused on covering up whatever it was? imo

[Ladyhawk]

From NG last night:


POLICE: When you guys picked up the car, what else in the car that may not have been in the car when we -- when we inventoried it?

GEORGE: You guys are aware of the smell of the car?

POLICE: Well, I`m trying to tip toe around that issue. Because I know it`s a sensitive one.

GEORGE: I`ve just got to tell you my feelings. I don`t like how it smells. I`m being straight with you guys.

POLICE: I`m sorry?

GEORGE: I don`t like the smell of the car. I`m being straight with you guys.

POLICE: We didn`t like the smell, either.

GEORGE: I`m being straight and honest.

POLICE: We appreciate that, George and we wouldn`t share that with anyone.

POLICE: Yes, because that`s a difficult topic for you.

GEORGE: It`s tough. You know, stuff has got to come out. That`s the way it is. I`m not going to hold back.




What ever happened to this side of GA?

But does he answer their question? Did he ever say exactly what else was in the car before LE inventoried it?

[kakax]

Be back in a few-i have to take a test for work :rolleyes:!! Obviously they don't understand i was busy HERE. LOL!!
:seeya:



ROFL...good luck! :seeya:

[day2day]

Leads me to believe why cindy was to hush, hush about the big fight.

1. She didn't want anyone to know she choked Casey (if its true and if so who can blame her)

2. She didn't want anyone to know Casey stole money from the GGP.

BINGO-trying to keep the family secrets -secret. And the only person who suffers is Caylee.

jmo

[desmom]

Dora has a friend called boots. He could have been the background to the backpack (boots is a monkey) I don't know.. just throwing that out there.


Thanks!

LE has a Dora the Explorer bookbag (page 294 of the documents). George said Caylee had a white bookbag with monkeys on it when he saw her on 6/16.

Could the bookbag George described be the same bookbag LE was given?

:shrug:

[kitty1182]

Imo, George should have called LE from the tow yard. Think about it; his daughter and granddaughter were "missing," Caylee's stuff was in the car along with the car seat, and there was a dead body smell, which he talks about in his interview with LE. WTH? Is this family that intent on keeping secrets? Was it a reflex action, or was he focused on covering up whatever it was? imo

So true.LE should have seen that car before it left the tow yard...

[Joan Weiss]

Quick question ... Just wondering if they charge her with neglect and convict her on it, can they still try to prosicute her for murder for the same incident? Or is this some sort of Double jeaopardy thing? If they can't charge her for murder after that then they will have to charge her before that trial makes it to court right? So if that is true, then that would be LE's deadline right?FLA law dictates that they can't use the same evidence used in the neglect trial for a future trial. That would be double jeopardy. That's why some things have been withheld. The withheld stuff will be used in the future trial. What evidence we are seeing now is only for the current charges. imo

[day2day]

ROFL...good luck! :seeya:

Pfft..total waste of time-25 questions ..i got ONE wrong-it was true or false-i answered TRUE-WRONG-i answered FALSE -still WRONG...:lol:
Lordy---i have contacted my District Market Manager...waiting for his brilliant response...lmao

Have they arrested Casey yet?! ..Today COULD be the day...

Tick..Tock...Casey they are comin for ya girly!!

jmo

[crymeariver2006]

She mourned her for two hours, then went to Tony's and her new life?

Went in and took a shower after burying Caylee in the backyard, grabbed some clothes and off to Tony's she went?

:shrug:

[martha]

She broke into the shed, grabbed a shovel and burried her in the back yard!?

MOOITA when she found out mom and dad was not home. then later come back and removed caylee to the trunk of the car and keep her in the trunk until the 27th was one of the pings by the air p on the 26 or 27? I thought cindy told george to go on to work the day they got the car. she would take car of things I took it she ment to clean out the car and open it up to air out. I still don;t understand why the gp let casey take caylee and stay gone from home so long with out knowing where they were. The a;s know now caylee is gone they just don;t want the whole world to know it. maybe because of the money they or getting. I am sure there will be a book deal and a movie. No telling how much money they or getting now from people that feel sorry for them. jmho:rose:

[shelbar53]

Quick question ... Just wondering if they charge her with neglect and convict her on it, can they still try to prosicute her for murder for the same incident? Or is this some sort of Double jeaopardy thing? If they can't charge her for murder after that then they will have to charge her before that trial makes it to court right? So if that is true, then that would be LE's deadline right?

It they charge her with neglect then they CANT charge her with murder at a later. They jumped the gun and charged her with neglect, the court date is scheduled for nov sometime, they can change it to murder before that and I bet anything they will up the charge to murder, they are just buying time now. i have to find the link for that comment. I have read so much about that

[WillowInFlight]

Went in and took a shower after burying Caylee in the backyard, grabbed some clothes and off to Tony's she went?

:shrug:
I wonder how long she kept her in the back yard, and if she did bury her there does that mean Caylee died there?

[Joan Weiss]

Surely if they were that strong of fumes, Casey getting back in the car...it would have also effected her in SOME way, even if she only slept, right?I would think so. Maybe the fumes were coming from Caylee's body? Maybe she did it outside of the car, and then put her in the trunk? :shrug:

Actually, Mel Ignato chloroformed his victim in the house, and suffered no ill effects, IIRC.

[crymeariver2006]

But does he answer their question? Did he ever say exactly what else was in the car before LE inventoried it?


I think it takes a while, but he finally mentions the crate and the hangers.

IIRC, that is.

[Joan Weiss]

It they charge her with neglect then they CANT charge her with murder at a later. They jumped the gun and charged her with neglect, the court date is scheduled for nov sometime, they can change it to murder before that and I bet anything they will up the charge to murder, they are just buying time now. i have to find the link for that comment. I have read so much about thatShel, I think they can. They just can't use any evidence presented in the neglect trial, since she will already have been convicted on that evidence. They are cherry picking the strong evidence for the murder trial. imo

[bballgrl]

Thanks!

LE has a Dora the Explorer bookbag (page 294 of the documents). George said Caylee had a white bookbag with monkeys on it when he saw her on 6/16.

Could the bookbag George described be the same bookbag LE was given?

:shrug:

I guess it is possible. Most Dora items I have seen are Pink or Purple. Not many white ones out there....:shrug:

[not.another]

after he picked it up and brought it home from the tow yard, maybe that is when he washed it, then he went to work.
what time did he pick up car?
what time did he go to work?
what time did cindy pick up casey?
what time did cindy and casey get home?


IIRC George worked something similar to a 2nd shift job. So, he probably had all morning on 7/16 to clean that car. I believe he did it then - I don't think that was Cindy's area - she probably just grabbed the stuff out and left it at that.

How could george detail that car with the smell, knowing what the smell was.....COVERUP!!!!!!!!!!!!imo

[Joan Weiss]

Went in and took a shower after burying Caylee in the backyard, grabbed some clothes and off to Tony's she went?

:shrug:I think you've got it. The dogs hit on two areas in the yard, IIRC. One was in the back right corner, up against the fence. I wonder if they recovered anything there? There was also dirt recovered from the trunk. I wonder if George missed cleaning the trunk? imo

[day2day]

Went in and took a shower after burying Caylee in the backyard, grabbed some clothes and off to Tony's she went?

:shrug:

I agree...

[happy2bme]

I am just now listening to GA interview. Why did they show a video of Cindy's and not GA?

Anyone think there is a reason LE did this? Maybe they wanted to show Cindy's body language?

[crymeariver2006]

I wonder how long she kept her in the back yard, and if she did bury her there does that mean Caylee died there?


I believe (again IMO), she kept her there a couple of days and then moved her back to the trunk.

Reason I say "back" to the trunk is I'm one that believes whatever happened to Caylee happened on the night of the 15th/wee hours of the 16th.

Also, if the "flurry" of calls was made from her cell in the vicinity of the Anthony home, IMO it was more to ascertain who was where and if everybody was where they were supposed to be. KWIM. She had to know she had time to bury Caylee in the backyard before Cindy got home and after she made sure George was at work.

JMO

[shelbar53]

I think you've got it. The dogs hit on two areas in the yard, IIRC. One was in the back right corner, up against the fence. I wonder if they recovered anything there? There was also dirt recovered from the trunk. I wonder if George missed cleaning the trunk? imo

They also took the shovel from the neighbor and are testing the dirt on that

[WinnieLeigh7]

ACK!! Brillant as Dora the Exp has the brown monkey friend. wow I never thought of that. that's brilliant.

He's grey actually and wears red 'boots'

[bballgrl]

I believe (again IMO), she kept her there a couple of days and then moved her back to the trunk.

Reason I say "back" to the trunk is I'm one that believes whatever happened to Caylee happened on the night of the 15th/wee hours of the 16th.

Also, if the "flurry" of calls was made from her cell in the vicinity of the Anthony home, IMO it was more to ascertain who was where and if everybody was where they were supposed to be. KWIM. She had to know she had time to bury Caylee in the backyard before Cindy got home and after she made sure George was at work.

JMO


This is so sad. First of all... to think that a mom could actually kill her baby... then that she would bury that baby and then DIG HER UP and dump her someplace else. That takes a REAL MONSTER! IMHO

[trich]

Imo, George should have called LE from the tow yard. Think about it; his daughter and granddaughter were "missing," Caylee's stuff was in the car along with the car seat, and there was a dead body smell, which he talks about in his interview with LE. WTH? Is this family that intent on keeping secrets? Was it a reflex action, or was he focused on covering up whatever it was? imo



And considering he was a police officer at one time he most certainly should have known better.

[snap4]

FLA law dictates that they can't use the same evidence used in the neglect trial for a future trial. That would be double jeopardy. That's why some things have been withheld. The withheld stuff will be used in the future trial. What evidence we are seeing now is only for the current charges. imo

Thanks you I had thought I heard something about that and you helped clear that up for me. So LE has to be very careful of what they use in the first trial as to not damage the outcome of next one. Tough becuase all of this party talk and no mention of a child throughout her daily chats sould help crate motive IMO for the murder charge, ya know?

[OneUp]

Because she had no other place to go OR came back to get the laptop and the JC Penny card and whatever else she couldn't take with her in front of George. She really could have pulled into the garage, put the door down, left the car running with Caylee in it and gone in to get these things and stayed too long, on the phone , looking for money, etc and in a matter of 30 minutes or so, Caylee could have been dead or close to dead from carbon monoxide. IRRC, early on there was a report from LE, or somewhere, that Caylee did not die in the car seat so if that's true, this carbon mono theory doesn't fly. moo
I haven't read confirmationor denial of Caylee potentially expiring in her carseat. Thanks anyway for sharing your theory. It is actually one of the more believeable "accident" theories to me. I can easily see many people leaving their child "secure" in the carseat in the car and losig track of time, esp. one as selfish and careless as Casey. I lean more to something erlated to Caseys anger in the moment combined with longer term jealousy and resnetment...but I can be persuaded to believe it was an accident with the "right" evidence....regardless, her behavior and lack of concern is reprehensible!
Doesn't mean it DID happen that way, but as you said it is possible. AT this point any means of death has potential to be the real one...we just don't know enough w/o more specific information.
I'd like to see the dates and paticulars on the chloroform searches myself. I can't see any reasons other than to party or for use on Caylee to search. I SERIOUSLY doubt anyone would use it as a cleaner, even if they had it on hand. It is just too dangerous. One could breathe the fumes and pass out and it is highly carcinogenic (sp?...not very with it today! Sorry!).
I'd also like the specs. on the missing childrens sites searches...I guess I'll be waiting a good long while for what I want!
JMO.

[WinnieLeigh7]

I guess it is possible. Most Dora items I have seen are Pink or Purple. Not many white ones out there....:shrug:

I've searched for a white dora bag with boots all over it...

I've searched for a light colored dora bad with boots all over it...


Nothing :shrug:

[bballgrl]

He's grey actually and wears red 'boots'

He's blue (an pink) LOL ;)

[Ladyhawk]

I wonder how long she kept her in the back yard, and if she did bury her there does that mean Caylee died there?

Honestly Willow I have thought from day one that Caylee never left the house alive on the 9th later changed to the 16th of June. If George is telling the truth that he saw them leave that morning then Casey returned that afternoon when the house was empty and Caylee died then. If George was not telling the truth about seeing them, then Caylee still died that day. I believe she was left in the backyard and Casey returned a couple of days later and retrieved her body because she didn't dare leave it for her parents to find.
This to me is the simplest explanation IMO.

[crymeariver2006]

This is what I have so far:
GA called Casey at 3, notice they left out calls to Tony L, there are also texts she sent to Tony, they left out. I believe casey was calling CA to get her to watch Caylee so she could go get a movie with Tony at Blockbuster that night. I think CA either said no, or didn't answer her call because of father day night fight.




3:03pm - George Anthony's Cell (67 min to the next call) *Casey's father
3:04pm- GA calls Casey 26 seconds 28.502844, -81.286333

3:35- Casey to Tony L, 22 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333

4:10pm - Cindy Anthony's Work (1 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother
4:10pm- Casey to Lexus of Orlando 34 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333

4:10pm - Cindy Anthony's Work (1 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother
4:11:25 Casey to CA at work, 0 seconds, no tower evidence, just blank

4:11pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell (2 minutes to the next call) *
4:11:49 Casey to CA at work, 3 seconds, 28.4547222 -81.2636111

4:13pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell (1 minutes to the next call) *
4:13pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell 2 seconds 28.502844, -81.286333

4:14pm - Cindy Anthony's Work (5 minutes to the next call) *
4:19pm - Anthony Lazzaro (2 minutes to the next call) *Casey's Boyfriend
4:21pm - Jesse Grund (3 minutes to the next call) *Casey's ex-Boyfriend
4:24pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell (8 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother
6:32pm - The Anthony Home (1 minute to the next call) *Casey's mother and father's house
6:33pm - Voicemail (33 minutes to the next call) *
7:06pm - The Anthony Home (14 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother and father's house
7:20pm - Amy Huizenga (? anymore calls after that) *Casey's close friend at the time


Lexus of Orlando?

Dream big much, Casey?

:D

[Regina.Lampert]

But does he answer their question? Did he ever say exactly what else was in the car before LE inventoried it?

Nope, he never answered their question about what else was in that car.

[happy2bme]

Did they ever release GA phone records?

[Mairi II]

I think the media should focus more in on the video of Caylee with her great-grandfather: the one of Caylee laying on his chest and him singing "You Are My Sunshine." Note Caylee's eyes. She looks frightened, and seems to be waiting for someone to tell her she can get off his lap. Look at her eyes. It is very disturbing.



mho

I didn't get that impression at all. In fact, that's the impression I expected, but she just seemed like a sweet, wide-eyed little girl to me. I wouldn't've been surprised, though, if she would've appeared frightened or as though she wanted to get down: Elderly people, I hate to say it, can seem scarey to little kids.

[bballgrl]

I've searched for a white dora bag with boots all over it...

I've searched for a light colored dora bad with boots all over it...


Nothing :shrug:


Same here. I can't even find Diego in white...

(Oh lordy.. we need some new news, look what we have reduced ourselves to!)

[WillowInFlight]

I think the media should focus more in on the video of Caylee with her great-grandfather: the one of Caylee laying on his chest and him singing "You Are My Sunshine." Note Caylee's eyes. She looks frightened, and seems to be waiting for someone to tell her she can get off his lap. Look at her eyes. It is very disturbing.



mho

I have said all along that she looked scared to death.

[happy2bme]

You mean she buried her then dug her up & put her in the trunk of her car? Seems like dirt would have been in the trunk, would would have been pretty much a cinch for LE to connect.

I just can't wrap my mind around even a sociopath burying & unburying their child's body or even driving around with it in a trunk for several days before disposing of it. I keep thinking of what decomp time would do to a body, so sick.


There was dirt in the trunk.

[Rayosunshine]

[QUOTE=FeelinFroggy617;12214496]From NG last night:


POLICE: When you guys picked up the car, what else in the car that may not have been in the car when we -- when we inventoried it?

GEORGE: You guys are aware of the smell of the car?

POLICE: Well, I`m trying to tip toe around that issue. Because I know it`s a sensitive one.

GEORGE: I`ve just got to tell you my feelings. I don`t like how it smells. I`m being straight with you guys.

POLICE: I`m sorry?

GEORGE: I don`t like the smell of the car. I`m being straight with you guys.

POLICE: We didn`t like the smell, either.

GEORGE: I`m being straight and honest.

POLICE: We appreciate that, George and we wouldn`t share that with anyone.

POLICE: Yes, because that`s a difficult topic for you.

GEORGE: It`s tough. You know, stuff has got to come out. That`s the way it is. I`m not going to hold back.




What ever happened to this side of GA?

Just my uneducated "HUNCH?" that his GIRLS weren't standing over him with a set of nut crackers and their 30 day script?:shrug:


Did George ever answer the question as it was first proposed to him?
In this case, he did a good job of diverting the topic.

[happy2bme]

I have said all along that she looked scared to death.


When my daughter was caylee's age she was scared of my grandparents.

[snap4]

I believe (again IMO), she kept her there a couple of days and then moved her back to the trunk.

Reason I say "back" to the trunk is I'm one that believes whatever happened to Caylee happened on the night of the 15th/wee hours of the 16th.

Also, if the "flurry" of calls was made from her cell in the vicinity of the Anthony home, IMO it was more to ascertain who was where and if everybody was where they were supposed to be. KWIM. She had to know she had time to bury Caylee in the backyard before Cindy got home and after she made sure George was at work.

JMO

Great thought, that would make sense!

[WinnieLeigh7]

He's blue (an pink) LOL ;)


He's grey on my TV with a yellow tummy LOL

[shelbar53]

CASEY ANTHONY GETS DRUG TESTED

Casey Anthony was tested for drugs Monday. She said nothing Monday afternoon as she left a meeting with her home confinement manager at the Orange County Corrections building.

While Casey was drug tested, the results have not been released.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17597476/detail.html?treets=orlc&tml=orlc_12pm&ts=T&tmi=orlc_12pm_1_10500210012008

[WillowInFlight]

You mean she buried her then dug her up & put her in the trunk of her car? Seems like dirt would have been in the trunk, would would have been pretty much a cinch for LE to connect.

I just can't wrap my mind around even a sociopath burying & unburying their child's body or even driving around with it in a trunk for several days before disposing of it. I keep thinking of what decomp time would do to a body, so sick.

I thought dirt was found in the trunk?

[WinnieLeigh7]

He's blue (an pink) LOL ;)

I guess greyish blue...that would fit...yea...

and pink face...

okay, I can go with that :D

[happy2bme]

ok. Have no idea how I missed that.

It's easy to do with this case. So many lies and info flying around.

[WillowInFlight]

CASEY ANTHONY GETS DRUG TESTED

Casey Anthony was tested for drugs Monday. She said nothing Monday afternoon as she left a meeting with her home confinement manager at the Orange County Corrections building.

While Casey was drug tested, the results have not been released.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17597476/detail.html?treets=orlc&tml=orlc_12pm&ts=T&tmi=orlc_12pm_1_10500210012008

Wouldn't it be something if they came back positive.

[bballgrl]

He's grey on my TV with a yellow tummy LOL


Oh dear, you may want to check your color setting...;) LOL

I haven't watched Dora in years (thank God) but last time I checked he was blue/pink... Maybe he changed color as he's gotten older!
:lol:

[msgatorslayer]

Could be that the room they used for the interview wasn't set up with a video cam. It does seem odd she is the only one they video taped for the interview. Everyone else is audio only.

I thought it was odd as well. Another poster mentioned that everyone elses video interview may not have been shown to protect their privacy. But then, George's audio only interview was released, so...

I think there is a reason that they showed Cindy. Her body language, how they confront her with lies, and so on.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Same here. I can't even find Diego in white...

(Oh lordy.. we need some new news, look what we have reduced ourselves to!)

LOL

diligence, that's all :)

[bballgrl]

Wouldn't it be something if they came back positive.

Can you say "Bail Revocation".... Ahhh, now that would be PRICELESS!

[WillowInFlight]

Why would dirt from their yard in the trunk be unusual?

I think it would be unusual if what is being said is true, that George was a fanatic about keeping his cars spotless.

[msgatorslayer]

I thought dirt was found in the trunk?

IIRC, there was dirt in the trunk.

[steffaroob4]

Lexus of Orlando?

Dream big much, Casey?

:D

We think a friend works there.

[Ladyhawk]

~~snip~~
Also, if the "flurry" of calls was made from her cell in the vicinity of the Anthony home, IMO it was more to ascertain who was where and if everybody was where they were supposed to be. KWIM. She had to know she had time to bury Caylee in the backyard before Cindy got home and after she made sure George was at work.

JMO

ITA and DKWYM on the flurry of calls.

[Rayosunshine]

I guess it is possible. Most Dora items I have seen are Pink or Purple. Not many white ones out there....:shrug:

It may have been a knock-off of the original

[not.another]

But how would you even pick up a body after it's decomposed for a couple days? I know I keep asking this, butahhh.. ack


With a shovel?????? As disconnected as Casey was in regards to Caylee - I believe it's highly possible that she used a shovel. imo

[WillowInFlight]

I saw an extended video of her on GGP's lap. She hugs his neck and kisses him at one point... and then lays her head on his chest... I didn't think she looked unhappy .. it was so sweet.
Yes I saw that also, gave gramps a kiss at Cindy urging.

[Ladyhawk]

IIRC, there was dirt in the trunk.

If I didn't want a vehicle to appear that I had cleaned it, I would make sure to leave some dirt. A totally spotless inside and out car would look suspicious IMO.

[desmom]

ACK!! Brillant as Dora the Exp has the brown monkey friend. wow I never thought of that. that's brilliant.


The monkey book bag George described has drove me nuts. Where is that book bag? Does LE have the book bag? I have looked at hundreds of book bags on google and not able to find one with monkeys. I have looked at pics of Caylee and no monkey book bag. Where the heck is the book bag?

Thank you bballgrl for posting:

Dora has a friend called boots. He could have been the background to the backpack (boots is a monkey) I don't know.. just throwing that out there.

Duh :punch: LE has the book bag!

So...LE has the Dora the Explorer book bag (with monkeys?) and Caylee's baby doll.

During Brittany's interview with LE, she explains Cindy told her Caylee's baby doll was in her car seat in the car when they picked it up from the tow yard. She also says: (page 1250)

"Especially because Cas....uh, Caylee never leaves without her baby doll. That's been her baby since she was born."

jmo

[WinnieLeigh7]

Just for any curious minds....

http://media.photobucket.com/image/boots%20%20dora/chirbie3605/Dora_and_Boots.jpg

[Rayosunshine]

Leads me to believe why cindy was to hush, hush about the big fight.

1. She didn't want anyone to know she choked Casey (if its true and if so who can blame her)

2. She didn't want anyone to know Casey stole money from the GGP.

Can't remember, but who was it that first released the info re: money stole from the grandparents?

[~jomomma~]

CASEY ANTHONY GETS DRUG TESTED

Casey Anthony was tested for drugs Monday. She said nothing Monday afternoon as she left a meeting with her home confinement manager at the Orange County Corrections building.

While Casey was drug tested, the results have not been released.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17597476/detail.html?treets=orlc&tml=orlc_12pm&ts=T&tmi=orlc_12pm_1_10500210012008

is this recent? sorry, i can't open certain things from work. certain things freeze me up.

anyway...did they test her early on? have they been testing her all along, i wonder.

[WillowInFlight]

is this recent? sorry, i can't open certain things from work. certain things freeze me up.

anyway...did they test her early on? have they been testing her all along, i wonder.
Probably a condition on her bond.

[rosejustrose]

Lexus of Orlando?

Dream big much, Casey?

:D

Maybe she was looking for a job in sales:rolleyes:

[tiny paw-prints]

I thought dirt was found in the trunk?

I thought it was both, dirt and sand? I wonder if the dirt on the neighbor's shovel matched the dirt or sand from the Anthony's backyard?

[day2day]

You mean she buried her then dug her up & put her in the trunk of her car? Seems like dirt would have been in the trunk, would would have been pretty much a cinch for LE to connect.

I just can't wrap my mind around even a sociopath burying & unburying their child's body or even driving around with it in a trunk for several days before disposing of it. I keep thinking of what decomp time would do to a body, so sick.

IIRC Geraldos bro at the body farm-they mentioned dirt and that it had caylees dna on it?! jmo

[OneUp]

Nope, he never answered their question about what else was in that car.It actually strikes me as just the sort of thing that this family does over and over...divert the conversation/questioning away from something they don't want to answer. This is especially effective when you use soomething that garners sympathy to draw attention away from the original question...like how upset you were about the smell....
Now, this does NOT mean George conciously did this, but a person accustomed to fibbing and manipulating does these things reflexively. I'm sure everyone in that household has been conditioned for years to deflect and manipulate to keep up appearances.
He would realize he didn't want to answer that question, and his subconcious would provide the protective response by bringing up something related and with true emotion behind it. The sincerity of what eh WAS saying draws attnetion away from the fact that he never answered the question.
WHEW! That's why I rarely explain why I feel someone is lying, and what they are doing that "tells" me they are lying...the "why's" can get pretty complicated in the explaining!
JMO, anyway!
JMO.

[Bluegal]

Just for any curious minds....

http://media.photobucket.com/image/boots%20%20dora/chirbie3605/Dora_and_Boots.jpg

Could the monkey have been Curious George??

[day2day]

:shrug:Something else that bothers me. Lenny has mentioned that he KNOWS who Caylee's dad is and well...its not eric. (thats all im sayin)..
IF what he is saying is a lie..wouldn't the anthony's sue the crap out of him?...just wondering..

And has he seen the dna reports? :shrug:

[MyrDawn]

As a mom and more, I found her to be sleepy. At one point she was almost there in lala land. To me she did not appear frightened one bit. She would not have wrapped her arms around his neck, she was listening to the sound of his voice on his chest. Maybe his heartbeat. Her arms were clearly wrapped around his neck, she was comfortable to me. Body language wise. She was fighting off falling asleep when her eyes got big a few times. That's what I saw, as a mom. Dots

She didn't look frightened to me, either. She was snuggled up to him just about as close as she could get.

[OneUp]

But how would you even pick up a body after it's decomposed for a couple days? I know I keep asking this, butahhh.. ack
It would matter if it were contained in some manner or not. If it were wrapped, maybe first in a blanket, and then insomething non-permeable like a trash bag...moving it would be less messy and would contain more of the contents.
Were person to be buried w/o being contained, they would be nearly impossible to handle and quite messy...when people deteriorate, they become "soft" and fluids seep out that are normally within. Just think of the difference between a raw chicken and a live chicken, and that is leaving the grossness of rot out of the equasion. Our skin effectively keeps our insides "in" when we are alive, but all organs ( skin included) break down rapidly after death.
JMO.
I'm sorry to be so gross...I just want this to be clear and as accurate as possible.

[barskin&co.]

is this recent? sorry, i can't open certain things from work. certain things freeze me up.

anyway...did they test her early on? have they been testing her all along, i wonder.

The article is dated October 1, but I don't think Casey has has much access to drugs in the last couple of months. It would be a good thing if they gave her a hair follicle test, although I doubt that they did. I assume they would only be checking to see if she has taken drugs since whe has been out on bail.

[shelbar53]

is this recent? sorry, i can't open certain things from work. certain things freeze me up.

anyway...did they test her early on? have they been testing her all along, i wonder.

Yes its from today and I dont know if they have been testing her regulary

[BANJO GRANNY]

I disagree. I'd rather they took their time and removed any defense doubt before the trial so they have the answers to any theories put up. I don't think it's wise to jump into a pool without checking to see how deep it is. Jumping the gun on this might've allowed her to walk free in the future, better safe than sorry.

I agree 100%
Let them take all the time they need to send her to prison for the rest of her life or give her the dp



:rose:For Baby Caylee

[martha]

I think the media should focus more in on the video of Caylee with her great-grandfather: the one of Caylee laying on his chest and him singing "You Are My Sunshine." Note Caylee's eyes. She looks frightened, and seems to be waiting for someone to tell her she can get off his lap. Look at her eyes. It is very disturbing.



mho ITA she does look frightened. I don;t think she was liking having to sit in his lap. I wonder if she had been there before. maybe this was her first time. how long has cindy;s dad been the nh? It seems like cindy and geroge was not close to their familys. Where is lee now? have not seen him in a long time. I think cindy and casey did not tell george everthing that was going on in that house. I think lee knew but he chose to move out. I am much older but if casey had stole money from my mother and daddy her but would have been in bad trouble. If she had caused me to cash in my 401k I would have tore her behind up. now I know people don;t believe in that now but at my age that was the way my mother took care of us with a good old fash but whipping. You have to put some fear in children to keep them from doing things they should not do. I know now days they would have locked my mother up and never let her out but anyway it worked. we knew what to do and what not to do.jmho:rose:

[happy2bme]

GA says something a little different about the money that Cindy took out of the wallet than Lee.

He said that Cindy stated the money maybe Amy's. Lee didn't not say that or did I miss something. I thought Lee said Cindy said it was probally her money.

[martha]

I could not have casey in the house with me if my grand baby was missing and she was the last one to see her. How can cindy george and lee put up with her knowing she has done something to that baby.and yes they know by now. what has happened to caylee.jmho:rose:

[girlspell]

I agree 100%
Let them take all the time they need to send her to prison for the rest of her life or give her the dp



:rose:For Baby Caylee

I hope they do. They are contemplating placing a charge of homicide with out a body, weapon, or crime scene. Very risky. There is evidence of a body but not Caylee's DNA. So very circumstantial.

[shelbar53]

Hmmmm, thinking back on the computer searches and If i understood correctly, wasnt caseys passoword "bobby"

[margaritaville]

I believe (again IMO), she kept her there a couple of days and then moved her back to the trunk.

Reason I say "back" to the trunk is I'm one that believes whatever happened to Caylee happened on the night of the 15th/wee hours of the 16th.

Also, if the "flurry" of calls was made from her cell in the vicinity of the Anthony home, IMO it was more to ascertain who was where and if everybody was where they were supposed to be. KWIM. She had to know she had time to bury Caylee in the backyard before Cindy got home and after she made sure George was at work.

JMO


ITA with your theory.... It is exactly what i think happened also......

I am just cuious about your opinion of why do you think she burried her in the yard in the first place and secondly what made her move her??

tia

[samiam]

Hi - this is my first time posting but found your site and have been lurking for awhile. :)

I don't know if it's because I have a daughter that's 3 years old with brown hair or what it actually is...but I just have so many emotions over this case. I first heard about it when I saw a news brief where it stated that a "lying mother was arrested" and have followed the case since then.

I first believed that an accident "must" have happened and Casey did panic and tried to cover it up - but after reading and hearing the transcripts - I really believe that she caused precious Caylee's death. It just makes me sick to think she drove around with that baby in her trunk. That baby - HER baby - was rotting in her trunk.

I find myself watching Nancy Grace every night. Nancy makes me mad sometimes but I'm so glad that she's keeping this case in the forefront. I don't take any calls or anything while the show is on.

I pray that Casey is proven guilty. If not, what does that show the rest of the world -- Go ahead commit a murder -- BUT -- don't report it for 30 days (heck don't report it at all) and if you're asked about it LIE, LIE & LIE. After 30 days no one will be able to find the body - feed the body to the darn alligators in you have to -- and THAT'S how you'll get off. That's just not right!

And, although the Anthony's (grandparents) are really frustrating me now - I cried when I read Cindy's comment to Lee & Casey that she didn't want Lee to just check up on Caylee (that first night) that in fact Cindy wanted to hold her. Ahh - that just tears me up.

I'm so glad there's this site to vent - because I think my family is sick of hearing from me about it. :)

[SavannahStar]

Hmmmm, thinking back on the computer searches and If i understood correctly, wasnt caseys passoword "bobby"


I read somewhere that Cindy's user name was Bobby. Not Casey's.

[shelbar53]

Hey -the text messages. http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/text_ocso_2.pdf

Am I finally losing my mind .. or when I scroll fast am I seeing flashes of what's UNDER the black boxes? Anybody???

your losing your mind

[msgatorslayer]

ITA she does look frightened. I don;t think she was liking having to sit in his lap. I wonder if she had been there before. maybe this was her first time. how long has cindy;s dad been the nh? It seems like cindy and geroge was not close to their familys. Where is lee now? have not seen him in a long time. I think cindy and casey did not tell george everthing that was going on in that house. I think lee knew but he chose to move out. I am much older but if casey had stole money from my mother and daddy her but would have been in bad trouble. If she had caused me to cash in my 401k I would have tore her behind up. now I know people don;t believe in that now but at my age that was the way my mother took care of us with a good old fash but whipping. You have to put some fear in children to keep them from doing things they should not do. I know now days they would have locked my mother up and never let her out but anyway it worked. we knew what to do and what not to do.jmho:rose:

IMO, if Caylee was frightened about anything it was her surroundings. Unsure of where she was, why it looked so different, maybe she doesn't go there very often to see her GGF so she's a bit unsure of him as well. She kinda reminded me of a child sitting on Santa's lap.

ITA that the women kept things from George.

[Texas48]

With a shovel?????? As disconnected as Casey was in regards to Caylee - I believe it's highly possible that she used a shovel. imo I have thought about this several times in the past and I am still under the belief that Casey would not have been able...by herself...to move that little body after decomp had set in. JMO

[shelbar53]

I read somewhere that Cindy's user name was Bobby. Not Casey's.
oh ok thanks. at least at got bobby was a password...so im feeling half smart

[steffaroob4]

ok, here is the original flurry of calls crap we were given a long time ago, seems she was driving during some of them, so I do not by the theory anything happened at this time., my stuff is in red.



3:03pm - George Anthony's Cell (67 min to the next call) *Casey's father
3:04pm- GA calls Casey 26 seconds 28.502844, -81.286333

3:35- Casey to Tony L, 22 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333

4:10pm - Cindy Anthony's Work (1 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother
4:10pm- Casey to Lexus of Orlando 34 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333

4:10pm - Cindy Anthony's Work (1 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother
4:11:25 Casey to CA at work, 0 seconds, no tower evidence, just blank

4:11pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell (2 minutes to the next call) *
4:11:49 Casey to CA at work, 3 seconds, 28.4547222 -81.2636111

4:13pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell (1 minutes to the next call) *
4:13pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell 2 seconds 28.502844, -81.286333

4:14pm - Cindy Anthony's Work (5 minutes to the next call) *
4:14pm- Casey to Lexus of Orlando 98 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333

4:18- TEXT Casey to Tony L, 0 seconds, 28.5444,-81.2767472 look like she is on the move
from the house now, north


4:19pm - Anthony Lazzaro (2 minutes to the next call) *Casey's Boyfriend
4:19:18 TEXT Tony L to Casey, 0 seconds, 28.5444,-81.2767472

4:19:47 Casey to Tony L, 58 seconds,28.5444,-81.2767472


4:21pm - Jesse Grund (3 minutes to the next call) *Casey's ex-Boyfriend
4:21pm - Casey to Jesse Grund 75 seconds,28.5444,-81.2767472

4:24pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell (8 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother
4:25pm - Casey to CA cell 3 seconds, 28.5444,-81.2767472 moving further north

4:53pm incoming text 28.5444,-81.2767472

5:57pm incoming text 28.6039167,-81.2876111 tower is further north


6:32 pm Casey to CA cell, 3 seconds, 28.6039167,-81.2876111

6:32pm - The Anthony Home (1 minute to the next call) *Casey's mother and father's house
6:32pm - Casey to The Anthony Home, 17 seconds, 28.5993583, -81.30325

6:33pm - Voicemail (33 minutes to the next call) *
6:33pm - Voicemail 28.5993583, -81.30325

6:34pm incoming texts 28.6039167,-81.2876111

7:06pm - The Anthony Home (14 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother and father's house
7:06pm - Casey to The Anthony Home, 83 seconds, 28.6039167,-81.2876111

7:20pm - Amy Huizenga (? anymore calls after that) *Casey's close friend at the time
7:21pm - Casey to Amy Huizenga, 42 seconds 28.5993583, -81.30325


Here is a map of some of the towers, (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=4937+Hopespring+Dr+Orlando,+FL+32829&daddr=%2B28%C2%B0+32'+39.84%22,+-81%C2%B0+16'+36.29%22+(28.544400,+-81.276747)+to:28.5653389,-81.2958361+to:28.6039167,-81.2876111+to:28.5993583,+-81.30325&hl=en&geocode=%3BFZCNswEdtdAn-w%3BFVvfswEdJIYn-w%3BFQ12tAEdRaYn-w%3BFT5ktAEdLmkn-w&mra=ls&sll=28.563115,-81.286469&sspn=0.141119,0.219727&ie=UTF8&ll=28.557687,-81.281662&spn=0.141127,0.219727&z=12) I hope the link works.

[trich]

It shouldn't be to hard for LE to check car washes on that day. He picked up the car at 1:55 p.m. and had to be at work at 3:00 p.m. I seriously doubt he cleaned it at the house.

I thought the neighbor said they saw them washing the car. That would mean they washed it at the house.

[msgatorslayer]

ITA with your theory.... It is exactly what i think happened also......

I am just cuious about your opinion of why do you think she burried her in the yard in the first place and secondly what made her move her??

tia

Running low on gas and not having any money or stolen gas to go anywhere, lol.:D

I think she moved the body because of the family dogs. They started scratching around, barking, whinning, acting weird, and she realized that she had to move her.

I also think this may be why her parents were searching around in the back yard. They had a lightbulb moment and remembered the dogs acting funny.

[shelbar53]

I thought the neighbor said they saw them washing the car. That would mean they washed it at the house.

Was he late for work that day?

[Joan Weiss]

I think the media should focus more in on the video of Caylee with her great-grandfather: the one of Caylee laying on his chest and him singing "You Are My Sunshine." Note Caylee's eyes. She looks frightened, and seems to be waiting for someone to tell her she can get off his lap. Look at her eyes. It is very disturbing.



mhoI agree. That is very disturbing. imo Especially the way Cindy is commanding her. There's nothing loving about it. imo

[SavannahStar]

oh ok thanks. at least at got bobby was a password...so im feeling half smart

Well no, it's not actually a password, it's a user name. When you log into your computer, you use your own user name, then you put in a password. Just like on here you have a nic, and a password to log in.

[GIGI4256]

Ok, I don’t post much, mostly just read the different opinions on this board. However, as each day goes by, I get sadder and sadder thinking about what happened to Caylee. As much as I would like to believe that she is safe and with someone who is taking care of her, I can’t. If she were safe, Cindy Anthony would have already brought her home. She loved that little girl in her own creepy controlling way.

What I don’t get is, and I know most people don’t, is how can Cindy stay in that house all day, eat, sleep, shower, watch tv, whatever she does, and live with herself? She knows that Caylee is gone and knows that her monster daughter did something to her. She must be a monster as well. George, the same for him. These people claim to love this little girl but are doing nothing!

I have a new granddaughter. She is only 2 weeks old and I can tell you this. If I knew my daughter intentionally or accidentally misplaced/harmed my granddaughter, we would be together trying to find her. No hiding, lying, covering up, talking to media about how it affects us. If we talked to the media at all, it would be to beg for help.

I would just like to ask the Anthonys one thing. What about Caylee? I don’t care about you or your evil daughter. Just, what about Caylee?

Always JMO - back to lurking!

[GrandmaGA]

This is so sad. First of all... to think that a mom could actually kill her baby... then that she would bury that baby and then DIG HER UP and dump her someplace else. That takes a REAL MONSTER! IMHO


No proof that was done. :rolleyes:

[Texas48]

She didn't look frightened to me, either. She was snuggled up to him just about as close as she could get. Yes..but take a long close look at her eyes. She looks scared to me..My kids (when they were very young) would lok the same with an older relative or friend that they had not been around all that much. JMO

[st777jo]

I could not have casey in the house with me if my grand baby was missing and she was the last one to see her. How can cindy george and lee put up with her knowing she has done something to that baby.and yes they know by now. what has happened to caylee.jmho:rose:

This is exactly how I was thinking last night trying to go to sleep.

I know I could not ever be in that house with Casey thinking over and over what did she do with Caylee. How do they sit there with each other? And control themselves? I don't think I could have Casey even walk past me without punching her out. And your right, with all the info thats come into being put out there, then looking at Casey doing whatever, nope, couldn't do it. So, IMO, they are the most heartless and uncaring people on the face of this earth. Caylee definitely deserved more than this hateful family.
jmo, jo

[day2day]

Ok, I don’t post much, mostly just read the different opinions on this board. However, as each day goes by, I get sadder and sadder thinking about what happened to Caylee. As much as I would like to believe that she is safe and with someone who is taking care of her, I can’t. If she were safe, Cindy Anthony would have already brought her home. She loved that little girl in her own creepy controlling way.

What I don’t get is, and I know most people don’t, is how can Cindy stay in that house all day, eat, sleep, shower, watch tv, whatever she does, and live with herself? She knows that Caylee is gone and knows that her monster daughter did something to her. She must be a monster as well. George, the same for him. These people claim to love this little girl but are doing nothing!

I have a new granddaughter. She is only 2 weeks old and I can tell you this. If I knew my daughter intentionally or accidentally misplaced/harmed my granddaughter, we would be together trying to find her. No hiding, lying, covering up, talking to media about how it affects us. If we talked to the media at all, it would be to beg for help.

I would just like to ask the Anthonys one thing. What about Caylee? I don’t care about you or your evil daughter. Just, what about Caylee?

Always JMO - back to lurking!

Please just post away!! I believe most families would be searching together...this family is far from normal. I will never understand how they could leave Caylee-just out there. It breaks my heart- :(

:rose:

[margaritaville]

Running low on gas and not having any money or stolen gas to go anywhere, lol.:D

I think she moved the body because of the family dogs. They started scratching around, barking, whinning, acting weird, and she realized that she had to move her.

I also think this may be why her parents were searching around in the back yard. They had a lightbulb moment and remembered the dogs acting funny.


the Gp searched the backyard before LE did? go figure....

Is there anything the police got before Cindy and George were able to tamper with it???

moo

[camracrazy]

Ladyhawk-
That is a great question. I have no clue?
Here is a pic of the backyard..
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa85/melissp26/backyard.jpg

I hate to say this but the flags look like the outline of a little body. It also looks the the ground may be a little lower or just disturbed from the soil around it. Maybe someplace they dug?

[msgatorslayer]

Ok, I don’t post much, mostly just read the different opinions on this board. However, as each day goes by, I get sadder and sadder thinking about what happened to Caylee. As much as I would like to believe that she is safe and with someone who is taking care of her, I can’t. If she were safe, Cindy Anthony would have already brought her home. She loved that little girl in her own creepy controlling way.

What I don’t get is, and I know most people don’t, is how can Cindy stay in that house all day, eat, sleep, shower, watch tv, whatever she does, and live with herself? She knows that Caylee is gone and knows that her monster daughter did something to her. She must be a monster as well. George, the same for him. These people claim to love this little girl but are doing nothing!

I have a new granddaughter. She is only 2 weeks old and I can tell you this. If I knew my daughter intentionally or accidentally misplaced/harmed my granddaughter, we would be together trying to find her. No hiding, lying, covering up, talking to media about how it affects us. If we talked to the media at all, it would be to beg for help.

I would just like to ask the Anthonys one thing. What about Caylee? I don’t care about you or your evil daughter. Just, what about Caylee?

Always JMO - back to lurking!

You should post more often.:seeya:

I don't know how any of them are staying in the same house together for this long. I thought someone would have exploded by now. I've been waiting for George to toss Casey to the protesters.

[Joan Weiss]

Thanks you I had thought I heard something about that and you helped clear that up for me. So LE has to be very careful of what they use in the first trial as to not damage the outcome of next one. Tough becuase all of this party talk and no mention of a child throughout her daily chats sould help crate motive IMO for the murder charge, ya know?Yes, this is all I could find regarding that, but I don't have any more time, gotta get going. See ya later.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/1287389

[MyrDawn]

Yes..but take a long close look at her eyes. She looks scared to me..My kids (when they were very young) would lok the same with an older relative or friend that they had not been around all that much. JMO

She does look a bit scared of the camera, but not of her GGF. I've never seen a child that would snuggle up to someone they were frightened of like she's doing. Whine, cry, push away, sit very stiffly...yes...but not snuggle up so closely to them.

[not.another]

I have thought about this several times in the past and I am still under the belief that Casey would not have been able...by herself...to move that little body after decomp had set in. JMO


Agreed. I can't picture it either.

[jammies]

LOL .. It flashes so fast ..I thought I saw two things that I'm looking for in the unredacted part ... Nevermind .. and Let's do it I suppose it could be like an optical illusion ...but I wish someone would try it ... I'm still playing with it.
I need a vacation.
I don't want to be NUTS!



Yep. If only it could be "caught" before it goes black. Dang, we are so nosey! :)

[dixielover]

There's another monkey thing that's popular with kids, my granddaughter has a shirt and a robe/slippers with the monkey on it. Can't remember what it's called at the moment.

Paul Frank

[Cury-us Coyote]

the Gp searched the backyard before LE did? go figure....

Is there anything the police got before Cindy and George were able to tamper with it???

moo

IIRC, during GA's audio statement - the knife is one item GA forgot to mention which allegedly was removed from the Pontiac and washed before provided to LE after the fact.
jmo

[Joan Weiss]

Running low on gas and not having any money or stolen gas to go anywhere, lol.:D

I think she moved the body because of the family dogs. They started scratching around, barking, whinning, acting weird, and she realized that she had to move her.

I also think this may be why her parents were searching around in the back yard. They had a lightbulb moment and remembered the dogs acting funny.In the Greta interview, Cindy said the dogs were taking over Caylee's bed. That really ticked me off. imo

[margaritaville]

Have Cindy & George used the media to make a plea to the 'kidnapper(s)' for the safe return of Caylee yet?


Of course not........ i think they are waiting for Zanny to just drop her off.............:shrug:

[martha]

I hope they do. They are contemplating placing a charge of homicide with out a body, weapon, or crime scene. Very risky. There is evidence of a body but not Caylee's DNA. So very circumstantial.
Have they not proved that it was caylee;s dna in the trunk? i am sure i have missed a lot.:rose:

[Pruddennce]

someone may have answered me yesterday, but I cant find a response at the moment:

I dont see Christine Chester's interview released, only the written one.

any thoughts? am I missing seeing it?

best regards,
Pru

[aubrey04]

Have Cindy & George used the media to make a plea to the 'kidnapper(s)' for the safe return of Caylee yet?

Nope. Pretty telling, isn't it?

[shelbar53]

Well no, it's not actually a password, it's a user name. When you log into your computer, you use your own user name, then you put in a password. Just like on here you have a nic, and a password to log in.

:(well so much for feeling smart. thanks for clearing that up:)

[kitty1182]

Have Cindy & George used the media to make a plea to the 'kidnapper(s)' for the safe return of Caylee yet?

I think the kidnappers were being "watched":rolleyes:

[bballgrl]

If it's important to you, to clarify...I am looking right at a "Boots" doll, it is a light grey ( blueish grey) and has flesh toned face, hands and a yellowish tummy. Red boots.
Bella has a set of the figures, and that is how Her Boots looks...I imagine that Nickelodeon or Target would have pictures on their site.
* and I can see how some would percieve his color as blue...it has a definite blueish tone, but it is grey...Geesh! We really are craving new news!:D

Awesome... now I can sleep tonight. :D Geez, we really need a life no?

:lol:

[nc1948]

Please just post away!! I believe most families would be searching together...this family is far from normal. I will never understand how they could leave Caylee-just out there. It breaks my heart- :(

:rose:

Most NORMAL families would be searching, crying for help, begging for information.

Most NORMAL families would also have extended family, friends, neighbors, church and community all searching, coming by for comfort or to bring food. The lack of friends, family, community helping tells me a lot about this family.

Most Normal families would not clean out car that smelled like a dead body was in the damn car.

Most NORMAL families would have called LE from the tow yard.

Most NORMAL families would be concerned about their Grandchild, and would probably be unable to put a coherent sentence together except to say Please help.

Most NORMAL families would be asking for people to search and help, not send money.

This is not a normal family.

[WillowInFlight]

YAY I love you Willow.. I'm not insane! .. ok not TOTALLY insane.
Did you see it when you scrolled quickly too?

ETA I don't know diddly about pdf files .. if the boxes are moving ...
UGH.
Yep, one said "love ya, ok" and one was something about a bar. Wonder why they are blacked out?

[lonetraveler]

Interesting comments from Leonard Padilla last night on Nancy Grace:

PADILLA: Cindy put her hands around Casey`s throat and practically choked her out that night. It scared the hell out of Casey. It had never happened before.

GRACE: Why?

PADILLA: Because of the money she stole from her parents. She was so upset about that, that she just could not control herself, and if you listen to George, he`ll tell you, he lives -- he lives with a controlling woman and a controlling daughter.

GRACE: Now, where did you get the information that she actually put her hands around mom Casey`s throat?

PADILLA: You can ask Casey`s brother, Lee. He`ll tell you.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/30/ng.01.html

So, it was lee who revealed the choking incident. During this show Dr. Kobilinsky said that chloroform DOES NOT remove or degrade DNA.

Very interesting to me that all the attorneys, defense and prosecutors on last night's show felt that Zenaida Gonzoles has an excellent civil case against casey anthony. Zenaida is also on the witness list, along with over 80 other people.

-------------------------------------------
I can't find the link right this minute, but I remember the choking incident but I remember that it was stated that George had done the choking, not Cindy. I hope someone can help me find this information, I don't think that I dreamed it. I think I read it in the document dump. Help anyone???:shrug:

[Cury-us Coyote]

someone may have answered me yesterday, but I cant find a response at the moment:

I dont see Christine Chester's interview released, only the written one.

any thoughts? am I missing seeing it?

best regards,
Pru

The very short statement is all I've seen.
jmo

[OneUp]

Enough about the MONKEY, please!!!!

Any relevance to this case?:flamemad:The relevance is that some are concerned about identifying Caylee's backpack with the monkey's on it which George states she left with on 6/16. LE found a Dora the Explorer backpack in the car, People wondered if they were the same...it may also be relevant of a backpack is ever found.
I'm not terribly preoccupied with that aspect myself, but I certainly saw no harm in offering information to those who are.
JMO.

[AlohaRainbow]

There's another monkey thing that's popular with kids, my granddaughter has a shirt and a robe/slippers with the monkey on it. Can't remember what it's called at the moment.i've googled monkey backpacks and the closest i could come to a white with monkeys is the http://www.dantebeatrix.com/shop/products/view/kidsbackpacks_little

i've tried curious george and dora the explorer backpacks and/or bookbags, and they don't seem to come in white.

i would guess there isn't too much of a market for white backpacks for pre-schoolers (unless they're washable)

[msgatorslayer]

In the Greta interview, Cindy said the dogs were taking over Caylee's bed. That really ticked me off. imo

If dogs could only talk!!! Here, and in that jogger case NG was talking about lastnight where the dog returned with its leash still on.

I was watching a show on the Animal Planet lastweek about the Van Dam case. The dog was acting weird on the night Danielle was abducted . Her Dad didn't think anything of it and let the dog go outside in the middle of the night. Thinking it had to do its thing. The dog knew!!!

[WinnieLeigh7]

.... alone, in a drugstore, per the Bounty Hunter's instructions.:shrug:

this just made me think of something...

"defense" (I don't believe it btw)...

but what if the Zanny wreck was part of the 'set up' too

Zanny wrecked her car, therefore, Casey lent her her car (cause she had Tony's and Amy's to use) to take the kids around...

therefore whatever happened happened with Zanny, Zanny put Caylee back there, Zanny abandoned the car, etc. etc.


Of course, that leaves open the question of why Casey wouldn't just say that to begin with...


okay, nm, Ive talked myself out of it anyway...I try to "think" like her (Casey) to understand this...
but then I realize "thinking" is the complete opposite approach to be taking.

[shelbar53]

Most NORMAL families would be searching, crying for help, begging for information.

Most NORMAL families would also have extended family, friends, neighbors, church and community all searching, coming by for comfort or to bring food. The lack of friends, family, community helping tells me a lot about this family.

Most Normal families would not clean out car that smelled like a dead body was in the damn car.

Most NORMAL families would have called LE from the tow yard.

Most NORMAL families would be concerned about their Grandchild, and would probably be unable to put a coherent sentence together except to say Please help.

Most NORMAL families would be asking for people to search and help, not send money.

This is not a normal family.

I agree. and one last comment before i go to work. see all later :seeya:

Maybe casey did tell her family what really happened.

[Texas48]

Enough about the MONKEY, please!!!!

Any relevance to this case?:flamemad: Nope..none at all. Not right now at least. Just give it time and it may come into play. This is just how this case has gone. JMO

[OneUp]

I highly doubt that too....Cindy would have put that baby up for adoption in a heartbeat if that was the case. That would be one family secret that not even she would attempt to keep if the evidence was walking around. imoActually, that would be one reason I would think Cindy would be adament that Caylee NOT be placed for adoption. Adoption would require the fathers consent as well...Paternity would need to be established with DNA.
If a relative were the father, it would become on the record....certainly that would be a concern.
* Please note, I DO NOT think that Caylee is a product of incest*
I am merely pointing out that for someone concerned w/appearances, like Cindy, opting for adoption would bring that out into the spotlight whereas just leaving the BC blank does not.
JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

That's what I'm wondering ... I'm so glad you saw it too. Do you know how pdf files work? How would they ADD the boxes later? and then they MOVE?
LMAO, I don't have a clue. But I'm glad they do. LOL

[aubrey04]

Ok, I don’t post much, mostly just read the different opinions on this board. However, as each day goes by, I get sadder and sadder thinking about what happened to Caylee. As much as I would like to believe that she is safe and with someone who is taking care of her, I can’t. If she were safe, Cindy Anthony would have already brought her home. She loved that little girl in her own creepy controlling way.

What I don’t get is, and I know most people don’t, is how can Cindy stay in that house all day, eat, sleep, shower, watch tv, whatever she does, and live with herself? She knows that Caylee is gone and knows that her monster daughter did something to her. She must be a monster as well. George, the same for him. These people claim to love this little girl but are doing nothing!

I have a new granddaughter. She is only 2 weeks old and I can tell you this. If I knew my daughter intentionally or accidentally misplaced/harmed my granddaughter, we would be together trying to find her. No hiding, lying, covering up, talking to media about how it affects us. If we talked to the media at all, it would be to beg for help.

I would just like to ask the Anthonys one thing. What about Caylee? I don’t care about you or your evil daughter. Just, what about Caylee?

Always JMO - back to lurking!

ITA. And I wouldn't risk going to jail for any family member (IE- lying in a police report or under oath.. or obstructing justice.. hindering an investigation), especially when a 2/3 year old child is involved.

I would understand Cindy and George sticking by Casey during a trial, but to lie and cover up for Casey during the investigation is reprehensible. JMO

[bballgrl]

Think this monkey is also sold at Target and is called Bobby Jack?:shrug: Also sold at Fashion Bug in MD.

Funny thing... I just tried to find that monkey stuff that my daughter has on AERO... can't find it. Maybe they aren't making it anymore (she will be so sad!)

[SavannahStar]

:(well so much for feeling smart. thanks for clearing that up:)


Hey I think you're plenty smart. :)

[WinnieLeigh7]

Nope..none at all. Not right now at least. Just give it time and it may come into play. This is just how this case has gone. JMO

Monkey fathered the two headed squirrel, I betcha!

[tiny paw-prints]

Running low on gas and not having any money or stolen gas to go anywhere, lol.:D

I think she moved the body because of the family dogs. They started scratching around, barking, whinning, acting weird, and she realized that she had to move her.

I also think this may be why her parents were searching around in the back yard. They had a lightbulb moment and remembered the dogs acting funny.

What I think may have happened, is that Cindy might have talked to Casey and mentioned that not only was she missing Caylee, but the dogs were missing her too; especially if Cindy went on to say that she saw the dogs scratching, digging or sniffing around the backyard near the playhouse or sandbox, or merely acting weird in the backyard. That kind of message may have triggered Casey and motivated her to move the body.

[bchand]

Most NORMAL families would be searching, crying for help, begging for information.

Most NORMAL families would also have extended family, friends, neighbors, church and community all searching, coming by for comfort or to bring food. The lack of friends, family, community helping tells me a lot about this family.

Most Normal families would not clean out car that smelled like a dead body was in the damn car.

Most NORMAL families would have called LE from the tow yard.

Most NORMAL families would be concerned about their Grandchild, and would probably be unable to put a coherent sentence together except to say Please help.

Most NORMAL families would be asking for people to search and help, not send money.

This is not a normal family.

Most NORMAL grandmothers would not look like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Bettychand/cindyrunning.jpg

(IMO she is enjoying it a bit too much.)

[jammies]

Funny thing... I just tried to find that monkey stuff that my daughter has on AERO... can't find it. Maybe they aren't making it anymore (she will be so sad!)



Monkey themed items have been the rage for years. My daughter collected all sorts of stuff back in middle school and H.S. Her backpack could have come from anywhere....even a dollar store. It could be an offbrand.