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nobail4ws
09-30-2008, 05:40 PM
Doesn't the kidnapping charge carry more jail time here? It would be much easier to prove against OJ since he was the one saying "don't let anybody out of here". Obviously, Fromong couldn't leave and that is kidnapping, even if for a short time, right?
JBL
09-30-2008, 05:50 PM
Doesn't the kidnapping charge carry more jail time here? It would be much easier to prove against OJ since he was the one saying "don't let anybody out of here". Obviously, Fromong couldn't leave and that is kidnapping, even if for a short time, right?


Charles Cashmore who came with OJ was afraid to leave after hearing that. He testified that he was afraid of getting shot in the back. After all he didn't know these guys and once entering that room did what he followed what he was ordered to do.
Details
09-30-2008, 07:06 PM
I think if Cashmore had run right to a lawyer and the cops immediately - no waiting until they were looking for him, he'd have gotten off with nothing. That's what he should have done - go along with it because he's afraid of the gun - but the instant he can leave them he should have done so, called the cops. No trying to make deals while holding the stolen goods, no waiting for a few days.

Kidnapping is an easier charge technically, and it is one OJ faces, but what he did is the minimal level of kidnapping, and jurors could decide easily enough that it didn't rise to that level, so it's not a charge to rely on.

All this is why prosecutors bring all the charges to the jury, and the jury gets to decide which if any best fit the actual crime.
legalmania
09-30-2008, 09:02 PM
I feel a tiny bit sorry for Charles Cashmore, too. Also, as I explained in today's, 9/30/08, thread, post #49, he is the one I am most tempted to believe as telling the truth. He had never met any of the men involved in the robbery before except for Charles "CJ" Stewart who he had asked for help in finding a job.

From the L. A. Times, October 16, 2007, there's this:

" Cashmore and codefendant Charles B. Ehrlich, 53, of Florida were captured on surveillance videotape carrying boxes out of the hotel room, police said. When he was taken into custody, Cashmore turned over some of the missing memorabilia to police.

Cashmore apologized in a statement Monday to his family, friends and “anyone else who may have been hurt by my actions.”

“Coming [to court] today is one of the hardest things I’ve ever had to do,” the statement said. “But as my mother proudly taught me, doing what’s right isn’t always the easiest thing but is always the right thing to do.” "

Complete L. A. Times article: http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/16/nation/na-oj16

Poor Cashmore who committed embezzlement and pleaded guilty so he could get a lessor charge. A misdemenor and probation instead of a felony.
Details
09-30-2008, 09:08 PM
Poor Cashmore who committed embezzlement and pleaded guilty so he could get a lessor charge. A misdemenor and probation instead of a felony.Just like a murderer, a one time thief is also worthy of being charged for what he did, not what he did not do. Poor Cashmore - he was just a guy swept up in this mess. His past criminal actions were paid for, and are no reason to deny him human compassion for being caught up unaware in this mess.
Justice_Dawg
10-01-2008, 10:25 PM
Doesn't the kidnapping charge carry more jail time here? It would be much easier to prove against OJ since he was the one saying "don't let anybody out of here". Obviously, Fromong couldn't leave and that is kidnapping, even if for a short time, right?

I think that should fall under false imprisonment.
In criminal law, kidnapping is the taking away or asportation of a person against the person's will.
JMHO
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 10:51 PM
Doesn't the kidnapping charge carry more jail time here? It would be much easier to prove against OJ since he was the one saying "don't let anybody out of here". Obviously, Fromong couldn't leave and that is kidnapping, even if for a short time, right?

Well, if the ultimate goal is to "Get OJ" maybe so. I think the kidnapping charge has been proven, but I'm bothered by your "get him" tone. This trial should be a search for the truth about what happened. The element of kidnapping in this case would be of little matter by itself as it would not have occurred had a robbery not been the intent and result.
AnnInOhio
10-01-2008, 10:56 PM
Poor Cashmore who committed embezzlement and pleaded guilty so he could get a lessor charge. A misdemenor and probation instead of a felony.

What did Cashmore embezzle?
JBL
10-02-2008, 12:54 AM
What did Cashmore embezzle?

This is what I've found:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16886018/

"In 1996, he was charged with felony theft in an embezzlement case in Provo, Utah. Cashmore pleaded guilty and bargained the charge to a misdemeanor and probation."

and


http://www.montanasnewsstation.com/Global/story.asp?s=7104238

Cashmore's lawyer, Edward Miley, acknowledged Cashmore has a 1997 conviction in a Utah bad check case, and currently has a bad check charge pending in Las Vegas.

:shrug:
RGG
10-02-2008, 09:32 AM
After reading these posts, it almost feels like we're seeing another Ed Halverson. Mild, meek fellow without too much baggage.
nobail4ws
10-04-2008, 06:29 PM
Hopefully you will read this, since the verdict has been reached and OJ was found guilty. As a trutv watcher and having a legal background (I am not an attorney), my analysis of the facts during the trial was that even though he probably "did it", the jury still wouldn't convict him. I've been in a jury room and was surprised at the way some people think about facts at trial. I won't lie, I'm glad he is in jail and I hope it sticks. :beer: