Tuesday, Sept 30th Evening - Day 106

[Pebbles]

Yes it is mosey. I believe once they realized that Caylee was gone-this has turned into a $$$ thing. Someone in that family has money. I have to work 40 hours a week to provide for my littleone and i. I could not afford one attorney -like Najeme. The Anthony's have Najeme-body guards-limos..Casey has Baez and pi's and Kobe..and as far as i know the ONLY one working is George. There is no way his salary and Cindy's workers comp is payin for all of this. Someone is cashing in.

jmo


Excellent, excellent post day2day!

[Nellie]

Just a guess - June 24th?


Yes, you are right...it was on the 24th. So, as of the 24th, George says it had been over a week that they had seen Caylee. This was the same day she did not want him near the trunk of the car.

I just don't get these parents! I have two children. If they were blocking me from the trunk of that car I'd be shoving by them and getting there before them. And if I didn't make it and was suspicious, I'd MAKE them open it up....or open it up myself with the key he claimed to have. I have never believed his "can story".

[kakax]

Has anything been released from LE's visit to California to supposedly talk with Mark Hawkins? I'm interested if he might have had the idea she could have been heading out there...I know the last thing I heard was...that she "had told" her "parents" and would tell him later.

Not that I am aware of!

[desmom]

I remember that, was surprised at the tape played tonight that he said he didn't look in the trunk. Kind of changes my whole thinking about what might of happened.

:seeya: Mr. Lucky!

In the beginning, I thought G & C were in the dark about everything, but there are little things that nag at me.

1) George's recall of what he was watching, the time, what the girls were wearing and their conversation when they left the house on June 16...as George said just a normal day. A month later and he has total recall of "just a normal day". I have never believed that story.

2) The pizza box and laundry soap story is what caused the stink in the car. George was LE. Cindy said in the bond hearing she was familiar with decomp smell. The tow lot employee said the car reminded him of a suicide. Lee said he could not stand to stay in the garage with the car. Casey text friends about the stench in her car. LE said it smelled like decomp...but G & C try to sell the stink was caused by pizza?

3) The kidnappers - George told the media Caylee's kidnappers were being watched. "These people know they are being watched. They know it," George told Eyewitness News on Tuesday morning."
http://www.wftv.com/news/17169161/detail.html

4) The burglary of the shed. George files a report with LE on 6/24. He tells his neighbor's son his shed was burglarized. After the report became public, George said "a neighbor" broke into his shed. Then on Greta, George does this long she said-I said conversation before we learn he discovered the gas cans in Casey's car on 6/24.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html?sPage=fnc/ontherecord/caylee

5) Casey's conversation with her mother from jail...The sarcasm in Casey's voice....

audio: http://missingexploited.com/2008/08/24/casey-anthonys-phone-calls-from-jail-with-cindy-anthony-caylee-still-missing/

transcript: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/25/casey_anthony_calls_home_from_jail.html

Casey: You don’t know what my involvement is and stuff?

Cindy: Casey.

Casey: Mom.

Cindy: What?

Casey: No.

Cindy: I don’t know what your involvement is, sweetheart. You’re not telling me where she’s at.

Casey: Because I don’t ****ing know where she’s at. Are you kidding me?

[Joan Weiss]

Whew, wow....ahhm, yeaahh...
That one we'll have to leave to the experts...

Dr. Phil??Nah, he already commented; kid gloves.

Marc Klass called Casey an "odious creature." imo

[rosejustrose]

What was all that talk about George chasing Casey in Cindy's SUV? I caught bits and pieces. Sorry if this has been beaten to death already.:)

[day2day]

This makes sense, but also worries me. No one in this family is talking. Unless they can verify this through other ways...it will be very difficult to prove.

Unless another member of this family was arrested and the only way to save their hide was to tell the truth?! jmo (it is just a theory) lol

[nana6]

Did he file or did she?

In any event, I honestly think he loves her in some fashion. And he might be convinced, after years of being browbeat, that he can't do much of anything on his own.

I don't think George lived in a very calm house. Can u imagine? I do wonder why Cindy had it in for Casey. I think there was more to it than credit card bills etc. I am almost afraid to post what I think. But I will say again, that I would love to know the name of Caylee's father.

[kakax]

:seeya: Mr. Lucky!

In the beginning, I thought G & C were in the dark about everything, but there are little things that nag at me.

1) George's recall of what he was watching, the time, what the girls were wearing and their conversation when they left the house on June 16...as George said just a normal day. A month later and he has total recall of "just a normal day". I have never believed that story.

2) The pizza box and laundry soap story is what caused the stink in the car. George was LE. Cindy said in the bond hearing she was familiar with decomp smell. The tow lot employee said the car reminded him of a suicide. Lee said he could not stand to stay in the garage with the car. Casey text friends about the stench in her car. LE said it smelled like decomp...but G & C try to sell the stink was caused by pizza?

3) The kidnappers - George told the media Caylee's kidnappers were being watched. "These people know they are being watched. They know it," George told Eyewitness News on Tuesday morning."
http://www.wftv.com/news/17169161/detail.html

4) The burglary of the shed. George files a report with LE on 6/24. He tells his neighbor's son his shed was burglarized. After the report became public, George said "a neighbor" broke into his shed. Then on Greta, George does this long she said-I said conversation before we learn he discovered the gas cans in Casey's car on 6/24.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html?sPage=fnc/ontherecord/caylee

5) Casey's conversation with her mother from jail...The sarcasm in Casey's voice....

audio: http://missingexploited.com/2008/08/24/casey-anthonys-phone-calls-from-jail-with-cindy-anthony-caylee-still-missing/

transcript: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/25/casey_anthony_calls_home_from_jail.html

Casey: You don’t know what my involvement is and stuff?

Cindy: Casey.

Casey: Mom.

Cindy: What?

Casey: No.

Cindy: I don’t know what your involvement is, sweetheart. You’re not telling me where she’s at.

Casey: Because I don’t ****ing know where she’s at. Are you kidding me?

You know what else bothered me....the story of the reason he was at the house during the gas can incident. He was supposed to be going to work...but for some reason that he wouldn't get into with the police, he decided to stop by the house. They had just taken the check to the bank, but instead of going to work, he decided to run back to the house. Why?

Funky story if you ask me!!

[dixie77]

Hi Dixie, I understand your thinking but I see the chloroform sites along with the missing children sites and no one calling 911 to report an accident and I am suspect.
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Hi Nana I am really at a loss about the chloroform sites. But maybe it wasnt Casey that did the searches for that. I just dont know. But i think that Casey freaked out when Caylee drowned in the pool. Maybe she fell asleep or who knows what. She knew she would go to jail for negligent homicide. So maybe thats what that flurry of calls to her mom and dad were about. I feel that one of them called Casey back and they helped Casey. Like i said before..............I am probably wrong with this theory but its something i cant get out of my brain. JMO

[kakax]

Unless another member of this family was arrested and the only way to save their hide was to tell the truth?! jmo (it is just a theory) lol

I just hope LE has enough evidence to make this charge, make it stick, and take it all the way through a guilty conviction of murder 1. I don't even care if it's death penalty, just as long as she is in prison for the rest of her life.

She has no regard for human life.

[Pruddennce]

Cindy. Arrogant. Controlling. Lying. Concerned about appearances before the welfare of her granddaughter.

Repulsive Personality Disorder.

well you got me SayWhat....I almost looked RPD up....:D

best regards,
Pru

[rosejustrose]

I don't think George lived in a very calm house. Can u imagine? I do wonder why Cindy had it in for Casey. I think there was more to it than credit card bills etc. I am almost afraid to post what I think. But I will say again, that I would love to know the name of Caylee's father.


ITA. Maybe that's why George preferred the night shift. Less time to spend with them. IMO.

[bchand]

Has anything been released from LE's visit to California to supposedly talk with Mark Hawkins? I'm interested if he might have had the idea she could have been heading out there...I know the last thing I heard was...that she "had told" her "parents" and would tell him later.


I thought the story was she told her Mother and Brother. (George was left out again.)

[kakax]

well you got me SayWhat....I almost looked RPD up....:D

best regards,
Pru

I think we need to petition the APA for this to be included in their DSM LOL!!

[Pruddennce]

I don't think George lived in a very calm house. Can u imagine? I do wonder why Cindy had it in for Casey. I think there was more to it than credit card bills etc. I am almost afraid to post what I think. But I will say again, that I would love to know the name of Caylee's father.

oh sure its more than that.....but money wise, she was/is a parasite....her cell phone bills are out of the ballpark...considering she didnt have a job to account for all 'her work hours' with her phone....mom/dad took care of that as well, it seems.

best regards,
Pru

[dixie77]

Did anyone hear LP on NG tonite saying that Cindy had her hands around Casey's throat on the nite of the 15? I thought Lee had said that George had his hands around her throat? But if Casey did leave on the nite of the 15th (as LP) said tonite.......then theres no way that George could have seen Casey and Caylee on the day of the
16th. jmo

[nana6]

Cindy's seriously shy on parenting skills. Rather than bring her daughter in line in productive ways, possibly with outside help, years ago, she does this. She runs around saying heinous things about her to her friends. Calling her horrible names. Making accusations about her. Warning everyone away from her.

Who does this to their child? Who parents this way?

a mother who is extremely angry at something a daughter did and something so bad that she the mother will never forgive her for IMO only I have a thought but as I said before, I hate to write it

[steffaroob4]

OMG, this is the first time I saw the video of Caylee (http://www.wesh.com/news/17564904/detail.html) singing. I shouldn't have watched it, oh my, that video is making my heart hurt.

[kakax]

oh sure its more than that.....but money wise, she was/is a parasite....her cell phone bills are out of the ballpark...considering she didnt have a job to account for all 'her work hours' with her phone....mom/dad took care of that as well, it seems.

best regards,
Pru

It was you, Pru, wasn't it, that said Casey was an extension of herself. If Casey did something, it would make her look bad and she wouldn't have that. I certainly can't put it the way you did....

[OneUp]

LP said it is his belief that the Anthony's KNOW Caylee is dead. The reason Cindy is having a hard time coming to terms with it, is because she feels she may have "forced" Casey out that night with her choking her daughter.
IMO, that would lead logically to Cindy felling as if she is responsible for Caylees demise.

So, therefor Cindy is not willing to think that she is in any way, shape or form, accountable for her granddaughters death

To further the illusion, George may have constructed the sighting of Casey and Caylee on the afternoon of the 16th.

"See, Cindy is not responsible, because Casey didnt leave as a impulse reaction to Cindy's aggression. Casey left calmly, composed after a good night sleep."
IMO
That makes sense to me...It surely fits within the families mechanism. What we have seen of the interaction between these family members makes every bit of that believeable IMO....Esp. Cindy feeling responsible ( doesn't have to be isolated to her actions "that" time, be it the 15th or another day). If you are familiar with how a rigid controlling type deals with guilt then you see it as plain as day. I have tended to see Lee and George as ancillary in the family. I think they function to maintain some sort of peace and to clean up when it gets messy.
All always, JMO.

[rosejustrose]

Time for the 10 o'clock NG show.:seeya:

[bchand]

I don't think George lived in a very calm house. Can u imagine? I do wonder why Cindy had it in for Casey. I think there was more to it than credit card bills etc. I am almost afraid to post what I think. But I will say again, that I would love to know the name of Caylee's father.

He said as much in his interview with LE. He said he loves his wife but it's tough living with THREE females. Poor Caylee was included.

[day2day]

I just hope LE has enough evidence to make this charge, make it stick, and take it all the way through a guilty conviction of murder 1. I don't even care if it's death penalty, just as long as she is in prison for the rest of her life.

She has no regard for human life.

I have to believe that they have more than enough evidence to charge her. What I don't understand is WHY they aren't out searching for her body?! I think that the check charges will bring a conviction and a short jail sentence -but she deserves more!
jmo

[nana6]

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Hi Nana I am really at a loss about the chloroform sites. But maybe it wasnt Casey that did the searches for that. I just dont know. But i think that Casey freaked out when Caylee drowned in the pool. Maybe she fell asleep or who knows what. She knew she would go to jail for negligent homicide. So maybe thats what that flurry of calls to her mom and dad were about. I feel that one of them called Casey back and they helped Casey. Like i said before..............I am probably wrong with this theory but its something i cant get out of my brain. JMO

This is an awful case Dixie, but it has gone on so long now. If it was an accident they should really speak up now because her jail time would be less than murder 1!!!!

[bchand]

OMG, this is the first time I saw the video of Caylee (http://www.wesh.com/news/17564904/detail.html) singing. I shouldn't have watched it, oh my, that video is making my heart hurt.

Is that the "You Are My Sunshine" one? It was absolutely adorable. I love how, at the end she notices her GPP closing his eyes and she immediately says "you tired Popa?"

[dixie77]

This is an awful case Dixie, but it has gone on so long now. If it was an accident they should really speak up now because her jail time would be less than murder 1!!!!

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I totally agree with u, Nana. If only they would talk.......if only. God Bless lil Caylee.

[mosey2]

Cindy's seriously shy on parenting skills. Rather than bring her daughter in line in productive ways, possibly with outside help, years ago, she does this. She runs around saying heinous things about her to her friends. Calling her horrible names. Making accusations about her. Warning everyone away from her.

Who does this to their child? Who parents this way?

In honor of Rosh Hashanah, I'll say she is bit of a Yenta.

[day2day]

OMG, this is the first time I saw the video of Caylee (http://www.wesh.com/news/17564904/detail.html) singing. I shouldn't have watched it, oh my, that video is making my heart hurt.

I can't watch it. Not tonight. Late and night and very early in the morning -Caylee weighs really heavy on my mind. :(

***hugs...

[Pruddennce]

I think we need to petition the APA for this to be included in their DSM LOL!!

oh absolutely, time for a new publication! it just has to be associated with the Axis II.....lol :D

seriously, I see serious here in this case....I can see an attempt to 'smooth over' thangs later on, but not out of the starting gate regarding a timeline and inadquate explanations to LE as to the state of their relationship with their daughter.

that is fact: they withheld critical information....its in the interview. carefully chosen words from Cindy regarding Casey and her comings and goings....she would leave but never for a week, but never comes out and says WE DIDNT GET ALONG and SHE WOULD LEAVE FOR A FEW DAYS...

a definitive aversion to a detail such as that....but not when it comes to Zanny's bleeding ear, etc.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[nana6]

I have to believe that they have more than enough evidence to charge her. What I don't understand is WHY they aren't out searching for her body?! I think that the check charges will bring a conviction and a short jail sentence -but she deserves more!
jmo

Maybe just maybe they are not searching for a body because Tim and his group found something when they were looking. Remember they left very abruptly and blamed it on the water. When they left they even seemed sad. I thought then that maybe they found her. Le keeps this case very close to them even though the public is let in on the documents and interviews LE is going full speed ahead Run Casey run!!!!

[kakax]

Can someone PM the message board YM was posting?

[steffaroob4]

Is that the "You Are My Sunshine" one? It was absolutely adorable. I love how, at the end she notices her GPP closing his eyes and she immediately says "you tired Popa?"

For some reason they have it cut in different sections, I never saw the part where she was singing before. I had seen where her greatgrandfather sang to her. It just makes me cry.

The more I think about this case the more I start to believe casey killed Caylee because she was becoming more vocal and would have screwed up her mommy's secret life.

[kakax]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the calls from 3:03 to 4:24 were made FROM the Anthony house.

Hang on, I'll look.

[steffaroob4]

Can someone PM the message board YM was posting?

me, too, please:read:

[dixie77]

Maybe just maybe they are not searching for a body because Tim and his group found something when they were looking. Remember they left very abruptly and blamed it on the water. When they left they even seemed sad. I thought then that maybe they found her. Le keeps this case very close to them even though the public is let in on the documents and interviews LE is going full speed ahead Run Casey run!!!!

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Excellent thought, Nana.........but could they actually do that? I mean if they found Caylee's body weeks ago, wouldnt they have to notify the parent or grandparents?

[OneUp]

Hi Chris ... I see you've ventured back. We're an ornery but lovable bunch, ain't we? :D

If I had to pick, I'd go with Lenny over George in this instance, but since I don't think Lee was on the scene for the choking incident, and we know Lenny wasn't, I can't take anything to the bank.

As for George, I'm having a hard time figuring out whether he's confused, or outright lying, and if so, for whom? Cindy? I dunno.I have a feeling that whatever George doesn't remember, Cindy remembers for him...and he just goes with the flow and accepts her version as fact rather than rock the boat ( in general, not just r.e. this).
I did hear things that lead me to believe he "fibbed" in his interview and felt darn guilty about doing so. The things he displayed the greatest honesty on IMO, were area's he had not yet been coached on. I feel he emphasized those facts ( such as the sighting of Casey/EZ pass business & the gas cans) so much because he has a desire to put the facts out there and do the right thing for Caylee. He is just unwilling to tell the truth at the expense of destroying his relationship w/his wife and possibly destroying her sanity. Comprende?
JMO.

[Pruddennce]

It was you, Pru, wasn't it, that said Casey was an extension of herself. If Casey did something, it would make her look bad and she wouldn't have that. I certainly can't put it the way you did....

I think kakax, alot of posters share that opinion, and I am one that does as well.

best regards,
Pru

[~jomomma~]

Cindy's seriously shy on parenting skills. Rather than bring her daughter in line in productive ways, possibly with outside help, years ago, she does this. She runs around saying heinous things about her to her friends. Calling her horrible names. Making accusations about her. Warning everyone away from her.

Who does this to their child? Who parents this way?

that makes me sick to my stomach every time i think about that.

i couldn't imagine degrading your own child infront of people like that.
ok, so it's true..........get some help FGS!!!

[day2day]

Maybe just maybe they are not searching for a body because Tim and his group found something when they were looking. Remember they left very abruptly and blamed it on the water. When they left they even seemed sad. I thought then that maybe they found her. Le keeps this case very close to them even though the public is let in on the documents and interviews LE is going full speed ahead Run Casey run!!!!

If TES found her body-then Tim sure isn't letting on. When he spoke to one of our board members he said he hoped to be back in about 3 weeks. Then again-LE claims they will press charges in the coming weeks. Isn't it strange that Nancy NEVER mentions a search for her body? jmo

[summer4meplz]

I agree that George's heart is heavy. Unfortunately, he can't stand up to Cindy. So some of what he's spinning is on account of her. I get the feeling that George would tell the whole truth if it weren't for Cindy. But he's pretty beat down after years living with his controlling wife and his sociopath daughter. imo


I think it's possible that there's truth to the gambling problem george may have had...and it's possible cindy bailed him out and he owes her....moo

[bchand]

Dont know if anyone else noticed this but in all the videos of Caylee the background of the house is immaculate looks like no child even lives there. My house is clean but you can sure tell we have kids:rolleyes:


and I have only one dog but she has her own bed with toys all over. They have 2 dogs!

[st777jo]

I wonder if the car hadn't been found would Cindy have bothered to go looking for Casey? How would she have found her? She didn't know her knew friends and if she hadn't found Amy's number in the car she might not have ever caught up with before she bolted, if that's what she was going to do:shrug:

MOO

Cindy knew what Casey was like. IMO, she just didn't care.

[nana6]

That makes sense to me...It surely fits within the families mechanism. What we have seen of the interaction between these family members makes every bit of that believeable IMO....Esp. Cindy feeling responsible ( doesn't have to be isolated to her actions "that" time, be it the 15th or another day). If you are familiar with how a rigid controlling type deals with guilt then you see it as plain as day. I have tended to see Lee and George as ancillary in the family. I think they function to maintain some sort of peace and to clean up when it gets messy.
All always, JMO. These people can lie to themselves,LE, the public all they want. They still have to live with their lies and face God one day. In the still of the night I wonder what they lay there and think about.? Caylee or the money they can make?

[poplife]

I think it's possible that there's truth to the gambling problem george may have had...and it's possible cindy bailed him out and he owes her....moo

and the only reason someone like her would do something like that is to hold the strings. BTDT. She's something else.

[nana6]

In honor of Rosh Hashanah, I'll say she is bit of a Yenta.

Happy New Year Mosey!!!

[summer4meplz]

right!

along with what Guitarded posted above:

They all had the wrong date except Casey who stated in her excited utterance on the 911 call that she had not seen her daughter for 31 days.


casey didn't seem excited in her utterance....she seemed flat, and cold, and totally unconcerned....imo

[hamebone]

that makes me sick to my stomach every time i think about that.

i couldn't imagine degrading your own child infront of people like that.
ok, so it's true..........get some help FGS!!!

Me either, its like she has to have a say in everything.

I like to brag on my children, every chance I get. I'm proud of them and proud to be their mother.

see I just did it with this post...:)

[Pruddennce]

I have a feeling that whatever George doesn't remember, Cindy remembers for him...and he just goes with the flow and accepts her version as fact rather than rock the boat ( in general, not just r.e. this).
I did hear things that lead me to believe he "fibbed" in his interview and felt darn guilty about doing so. The things he displayed the greatest honesty on IMO, were area's he had not yet been coached on. I feel he emphasized those facts ( such as the sighting of Casey/EZ pass business & the gas cans) so much because he has a desire to put the facts out there and do the right thing for Caylee. He is just unwilling to tell the truth at the expense of destroying his relationship w/his wife and possibly destroying her sanity. Comprende?
JMO.

I noticed the inference of several fibs as well.....the lilt in his voice. the highs and lows in comparison to something he may not have known first-hand, as opposed to things he DID know first hand....the incomplete sentences......

best regards,
Pru

[playnice]

If TES found her body-then Tim sure isn't letting on. When he spoke to one of our board members he said he hoped to be back in about 3 weeks. Then again-LE claims they will press charges in the coming weeks. Isn't it strange that Nancy NEVER mentions a search for her body? jmo

If they found a body wouldnt they have to notify the family?

[nana6]

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Excellent thought, Nana.........but could they actually do that? I mean if they found Caylee's body weeks ago, wouldnt they have to notify the parent or grandparents?

I really do not know the legality of it all but I would think if they found something they first would have to run a gamit of tests to identify the remains and I have no idea how long that takes

[~jomomma~]

I just hope LE has enough evidence to make this charge, make it stick, and take it all the way through a guilty conviction of murder 1. I don't even care if it's death penalty, just as long as she is in prison for the rest of her life.

She has no regard for human life.

i may just have to figure out a way to be off on medical leave or something so i can watch every minute of the trial

[poplife]

Me either, its like she has to have a say in everything.

I like to brag on my children, every chance I get. I'm proud of them and proud to be their mother.

see I just did it with this post...:)

I'll see your brag and raise you 20!

Cindy unleashes her inner demon when it suits her, in order to control or injure. Her guilt is not like yours or mine, it's merely fear of being found out for how cruel she really is.

[bchand]

I noticed the inference of several fibs as well.....the lilt in his voice. the highs and lows in comparison to something he may not have known first-hand, as opposed to things he DID know first hand....the incomplete sentences......

best regards,
Pru


He also had a habit of saying "I'm being straight with you." and "that's the truth" in his statements to LE.

Well of course you would tell the truth in the case of a missing grandchild right? He seemed to have to emphasize it over and over.

[kakax]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the calls from 3:03 to 4:24 were made FROM the Anthony house.

Here is what I don't get....

My phone records do not reflect those times.

[kakax]

Hold on there. Not singling you out jo .. but everyone is so horrified by these remarks... YET.. You would all have her screaming from the rooftops that her daughter murdered her grand daughter?
She's a beast from hell for calling her kid a sociopath and a liar but a beast from hell for NOT publically calling her a murderer?

:shrug:

I wouldn't. But I sure don't expect her to be lying to police.

[~jomomma~]

Can someone PM the message board YM was posting?

me too please! :seeya:

[playnice]

I find it quite telling that they don't answer her call because of the fight :shrug: This family is making me crazy.

That would add even more to the guilt now.

[kakax]

i may just have to figure out a way to be off on medical leave or something so i can watch every minute of the trial

ROFL! Someone here, can't remember who, had a neurlogist write a prescription for her to be on the boards because it expanded her mind! You should try that route!

[nana6]

Nana :seeya:

I think I know what you're thinking, and I think you best keep it under your hat for now. :)

I do think Cindy could be as angry at Casey as she was/is for a number of reasons that are more about Cindy than Casey -- Casey's a disappointment, she's an embarrassment, she won't let Cindy control her ... for starters.

Hey Say, It is under my hat and I will not let it out!!!:)

[OneUp]

well, he did file for divorce once.....wonder what made him reconcile?

best regards,
PruIn how this relates to family dynamics Pru...I have given some thought to why the divorce was withdrawn. I've seen many divorces walked away from myself. In particular, I think of all the females who I worked with at the D/V shelter. Many of them filed for divorce repeatedly but went back instead of following through. If you ask them they would say things changed, or they loved their partner too much to leave...some people who seperate just find themselves too lonely and reconcile purely for companionship. I suppose one even might see here that they deicded to reconcile for Caylee, or for the sake of their elderly parents who had been family for years to each other.
I have also seen couples enter counseling in hopes of achieving an amicable divorce and instead find common ground and a new relationship w/one another ( I def. doubt this in the Anthony's case however. I don't see any of them having had any extensive counseling.)
I really haven't found one single thought that satisfies me as an answer. I have considered all of these from my own experiences.
JMO.

[bchand]

Here is what I don't get....

My phone records do not reflect those times.


Really? Very interesting. I'd go check but my eyes are already crossed from being tired.

eta: wait - if she called from the phone at the Anthony house, would that be on the records you're looking at?

[jessjam]

How many parent's would let there child run up a 45,000 credit card and not do anything about it i dont know any:shrug: These people all have a hand in this mess . :cuss:


I agree and have always thought this way.

[~jomomma~]

Me either, its like she has to have a say in everything.

I like to brag on my children, every chance I get. I'm proud of them and proud to be their mother.

see I just did it with this post...:)

me too hamebone

[kakax]

I was so hoping you would save the day lol......Wonder whay they aren't matching up ?


I don't know rofl...we are talking about 6/16 right?

I have an incoming call at 3:04...the first outgoing call I see is is at 3:35 to Tone.

Help Steff!!!!!!

[day2day]

If they found a body wouldnt they have to notify the family?

When they get ready-imo?!?!

[FrankieBones1]

FrankieBones1 gave it on page one. Sorry, if I did something wrong. I am new at this.

Hi, Jamma,
Nancy Grace is in rerun right now and she mentions some of the folks on the list. There is a Shirley on it but I have no idea who that is.

I think the reason for releasing the list is to get Casey feeling antsy and maybe finally tell the truth. But then again, she may never tell the truth.

Interesting listening to the tape of George Anthony's interview with police. He says he didn't look in the trunk when he got the gas cans back from Casey. She got them out of the trunk and slammed the trunk lid quickly. From where he was standing, he never got to see what was in the trunk.

[dixie77]

He also had a habit of saying "I'm being straight with you." and "that's the truth" in his statements to LE.

Well of course you would tell the truth in the case of a missing grandchild right? He seemed to have to emphasize it over and over.
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And did anyone hear how he kept tapping on the table with his hands?

[~jomomma~]

Hold on there. Not singling you out jo .. but everyone is so horrified by these remarks... YET.. You would all have her screaming from the rooftops that her daughter murdered her grand daughter?
She's a beast from hell for calling her kid a sociopath and a liar but a beast from hell for NOT publically calling her a murderer?

:shrug:

nah...those conversations were going on before caylee went missing, if i'm not mistaken.

she doesn't need to scream from the rooftops that she's a murderer....
just keep quiet about the case and quit making up excuses and lies for the whole world to see...imo

she was saying things to jesse, infront of casey. geez...how could that have made casey feel? and jesse for that matter?

there is help out there if she thought her kid was that bad :shrug:

[Joan Weiss]

I do not know or understand the family dynamics of the A's but I would love to know who the father of Caylee is and whether or not he is an Anthony. It has been mentioned on here before.I think that would have shown up on the DNA tests that LE did. I don't hink the Anthonys had a problem with LE testing Caylee's DNA. And wouldn't that have come out when Jessie had his done? :shrug:

[bchand]

Hi, Jamma,
Nancy Grace is in rerun right now and she mentions some of the folks on the list. There is a Shirley on it but I have no idea who that is.

I think the reason for releasing the list is to get Casey feeling antsy and maybe finally tell the truth. But then again, she may never tell the truth.

Interesting listening to the tape of George Anthony's interview with police. He says he didn't look in the trunk when he got the gas cans back from Casey. She got them out of the trunk and slammed the trunk lid quickly. From where he was standing, he never got to see what was in the trunk.

Shirley is Cindy's mother I believe.

[kakax]

I don't know rofl...we are talking about 6/16 right?

I have an incoming call at 3:04...the first outgoing call I see is is at 3:35 to Tone.

Help Steff!!!!!!

Does someone have these phone records they can help me look at this date?

[mosey2]

Happy New Year Mosey!!!LOL Back atcha!

[msjoni]

Did anyone hear LP on NG tonite saying that Cindy had her hands around Casey's throat on the nite of the 15? I thought Lee had said that George had his hands around her throat? But if Casey did leave on the nite of the 15th (as LP) said tonite.......then theres no way that George could have seen Casey and Caylee on the day of the
16th. jmo

IIRC, Padillo said George went after Casey the first time she was released from jail....

[steffaroob4]

Here is what I don't get....

My phone records do not reflect those times.

I am looking at them now and they don't seem correct to me either. Looking at her calling habits, I would hardly call that original list a flurry of calls.

[bchand]

Does someone have these phone records they can help me look at this date?

All listed here.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1655021/detailed-cell-calls

[Kathlb]

Nancy had the list of the people called to testify, why don't we? Where is that site where the LE releases documents in two tables one on top of the other? I thought I had the link but I don't. Maybe it's there??

[Pruddennce]

He also had a habit of saying "I'm being straight with you." and "that's the truth" in his statements to LE.

Well of course you would tell the truth in the case of a missing grandchild right? He seemed to have to emphasize it over and over.


yes, it was odd. as well as the tapping on the desk.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[nana6]

LOL Back atcha!

Thank you!!:)

[Joan Weiss]

Lee also said that once Cindy came back in the room and confronted Casey about Caylee that they started battling/arguing over things in the past. Boy, they really were concerned about Caylee's whereabouts, IMO.Yes, it was all about them. :flamemad:

[steffaroob4]

I don't know rofl...we are talking about 6/16 right?

I have an incoming call at 3:04...the first outgoing call I see is is at 3:35 to Tone.

Help Steff!!!!!!

ITA
I am seeing same thing you are. I have always thought that list leaked to Greta was deliberately wrong. Seems they floated the list around the pool theory time.

[dixie77]

Originally Posted by nana6
==========================
I don't think George lived in a very calm house. Can u imagine? I do wonder why Cindy had it in for Casey. I think there was more to it than credit card bills etc. I am almost afraid to post what I think. But I will say again, that I would love to know the name of Caylee's father.
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Nana can u PM me please and tell me what u r thinking? TIA

[kakax]

I am looking at them now and they don't seem correct to me either. Looking at her calling habits, I would hardly call that original list a flurry of calls.

Is the tower on Golden Rod the one that would be closer to Jessie's house? That is the tower that is showing for me, and it isn't close to her house for the call at 3:35?

[dixie77]

Are we believing Leonard that Cindy tried to strangle Casey the night of the 15th after returning from dinner with her mother?
==========

I thought Lee said that George wass trying to strangle Casey?

[desmom]

Are we believing Leonard that Cindy tried to strangle Casey the night of the 15th after returning from dinner with her mother?

This is not the lst time I have heard this. I think he told it on another NG show or maybe a Greta. jmo

[OneUp]

These people can lie to themselves,LE, the public all they want. They still have to live with their lies and face God one day. In the still of the night I wonder what they lay there and think about.? Caylee or the money they can make?I imagine that each one has their own way to create some pretty interesting mental gymnastics, at night or in their quiet moments, to avoid thinking much at all about Caylee or any of the realities of this situation. Certainly the protesters, and attacks about the funds received from the public give them a tidy diversion to focus on in lieu of facing one another or God....much easier to focus externally with your fear and anger than to internalize it and deal with reality.
...of course, IMO, Casey doesn't have it in her to give anything but herself and her immediate needs a great deal of thought. And I don't think she ever has wasted thought or concern on others, not before and certainly not now.
JMO.

[dixie77]

Originally Posted by SayWHAT?
She never has to call her daughter anything. She just has to do the right thing, which is to make Casey take responsibility for what she's done. She can do that with her lip zipped, which it should've been right from the beginning.
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Very well said.

[steffaroob4]

Is the tower on Golden Rod the one that would be closer to Jessie's house? That is the tower that is showing for me, and it isn't close to her house for the call at 3:35?

B is the house, I believe she is at home when she hits any of the towers (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=%2B28%C2%B0+28'+9.00%22,+-81%C2%B0+17'+30.00%22+(28.469167,+-81.291667)&daddr=4937+Hopespring+Dr+Orlando,+FL+32829+to:28.4 547222+++++-81.2636111+to:28.489891,-81.285267+to:28.502844,+-81.286333&hl=en&geocode=Fa9nsgEdbZYn-w%3B%3BFUIvsgEdBQQo-w%3B%3BFTzrsgEdQ6sn-w&mra=dpe&mrcr=2&mrsp=3&sz=14&via=3&sll=28.48197,-81.273079&sspn=0.035307,0.054932&ie=UTF8&ll=28.490419,-81.259518&spn=0.070608,0.109863&z=13), there might be one more close one, I have to try to find that one, but these 3 are the closest I have.

I think she was at home for the 3:35 call

[Joan Weiss]

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Hi Nana I am really at a loss about the chloroform sites. But maybe it wasnt Casey that did the searches for that. I just dont know. But i think that Casey freaked out when Caylee drowned in the pool. Maybe she fell asleep or who knows what. She knew she would go to jail for negligent homicide. So maybe thats what that flurry of calls to her mom and dad were about. I feel that one of them called Casey back and they helped Casey. Like i said before..............I am probably wrong with this theory but its something i cant get out of my brain. JMOI think she wanted to discuss the previous night. Obviously, they weren't accepting her calls. She was officially out of the house as far as they were concerned. I think Cindy was thinking she was teaching Casey a lesson. Let her try to take care of Caylee, and maybe she'd shape up. imo

[FrankieBones1]

Shirley is Cindy's mother I believe.Thanks, Bchand. The last name threw me off.

Did you hear Lenny talking about the fight that night of the 15th? He claims that Cindy tried to choke Casey. Nancy asks how he knows this and Lenny answers, "Ask Lee".

[mosey2]

============

And did anyone hear how he kept tapping on the table with his hands?
Yeah! I think it was Morse Code for "my daughter did it--my daughter did it"

MOO

[Cury-us Coyote]

Are we believing Leonard that Cindy tried to strangle Casey the night of the 15th after returning from dinner with her mother?

Didn't the WFBH also recently report GA tried to choke the truth out of Casey the first night she was home? :shrug:

[OneUp]

Do you think he saw Casey and Caylee leave on the 16th? I didn't believe the story until I heard him tell it. I mean, he was watching his favorite television show yet he noticed what each was wearing to the extent that he could recite it more than a month later. Do you think he actually remembers nothing and Cindy "reminded" him and now he believes it's true?Yes, I believe he remembers nothing or very little about the last day he saw Casey and Caylee leave "normally" ( which may NOT be the day they actually last left the home together). I think Cindy took the bare bones of his memory and dressed it to her liking. I suspect she then repeatedly corrected and hounded on every detail until he began to feel he did really remember it...I've been there with a mother very similar in personality to Cindy's public persona.
JMO.

[hamebone]

Thanks, Bchand. The last name threw me off.

Did you hear Lenny talking about the fight that night of the 15th? He claims that Cindy tried to choke Casey. Nancy asks how he knows this and Lenny answers, "Ask Lee".


But who did Lee get that info from?

Casey? If it was her, I woudnt put much stock in it.

[Pruddennce]

ITA
I am seeing same thing you are. I have always thought that list leaked to Greta was deliberately wrong. Seems they floated the list around the pool theory time.

I dont know why there is a pool theory. Casey left.15th/16, whatever one wishes to believe.....the fact is no one in her circle of friends saw caylee after the 13th....which reminds me, where is Christine Chester's statement? Am I missing it in the newly released statements?

I only see her initial written statement saying the 12th or 13th they went for a walk.... in the original docs released. its short. one page.

best regards,
Pru

[dixie77]

I think she wanted to discuss the previous night. Obviously, they weren't accepting her calls. She was officially out of the house as far as they were concerned. I think Cindy was thinking she was teaching Casey a lesson. Let her try to take care of Caylee, and maybe she'd shape up. imo
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Hi Joan u very well could be right on with this but somehow i dont see Casey as a person who cared if her mom and her had a fight. I mean........i know what she said in the interview with LE about her mom not forgiving her and all of that but i think that was just BS talk on Casey's part. I feel like she only cares about herself. But....who the hell knows......this is the weirdest case i have ever followed. JMO

[Mamie]

yes, it was odd. as well as the tapping on the desk.

IMO

best regards,
Pru


George probably had to reiterate that (about being honest with LE) because he knows that THEY KNOW his wife and his daughter are the two biggest liars they've seen in a long time in their interviews. And who knows about Lee----how much of his stuff is the truth or how much is he holding back and not telling at all. JMO

[Joan Weiss]

Thankyou so much..I have been wanting to see that for sooooo long!

It almost looks like Casey called her dad ( the police as she knows him) But was there no answer , no talking .then tried to call mom .....so many times............a mom you just had the most major blowout with ? Those frantic calls to mom are very telling to me , this says tome that Casey fors tried to call cop dad and when she couldn't get him she was forced to call mom ,even though it was her last resort and not her first choice of who to call, since that horrific fight ,but it looks like Casey thought mom would answer so she just kept calling ,thinking no mayyer what she would alwasy be able to get ahold of mom.....because WHY did she not try DAD again........then it just looks like she lost hope and thought about the situation too long and CASEY being of NOT SOUND mind made decissions ,selfish ones to just let it go and cover her own but .?We totally agree on that!

[OneUp]

I can't read the stuff .. it's too leetle .. even with my granny glasses on.Idol ( and anyone having trouble w/the size of the docs. on some sites), If you hold down the control ( Ctrl) on you keyboard, and press the (+) plus sign it should make the page get bigger. The same with the (-) should make it smaller. The biggest problem with doing this is that the words end up fuzzing with much enlargement, but it may help.
( My teen taught me that this weekend! TY Audrey!)

[dixie77]

So we've got two reported attempted assaults on the princess's throat -- one by Cindy and the other by George? Both reported by Lenny?

What to think, what to think? :shrug:
================

I am gonna re-read Lee's statement. I thought i remember reading that but i may be wrong with this never-ending list of characters .

[FrankieBones1]

So we've got two reported attempted assaults on the princess's throat -- one by Cindy and the other by George? Both reported by Lenny?

What to think, what to think? :shrug:
Intermeresting!
I want to stand in line to get my hands around her scrawny neck, too.

[Mamie]

But who did Lee get that info from?

Casey? If it was her, I woudnt put much stock in it.


Very good point. Why would Casey lie to everyone else but tell only her brother the truth? So let's hope that Lee saw it for himself. Then the only question we'd have would be............is Lee telling the truth! JMO

[kakax]

B is the house, I believe she is at home when she hits any of the towers (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=%2B28%C2%B0+28'+9.00%22,+-81%C2%B0+17'+30.00%22+(28.469167,+-81.291667)&daddr=4937+Hopespring+Dr+Orlando,+FL+32829+to:28.4 547222+++++-81.2636111+to:28.489891,-81.285267+to:28.502844,+-81.286333&hl=en&geocode=Fa9nsgEdbZYn-w%3B%3BFUIvsgEdBQQo-w%3B%3BFTzrsgEdQ6sn-w&mra=dpe&mrcr=2&mrsp=3&sz=14&via=3&sll=28.48197,-81.273079&sspn=0.035307,0.054932&ie=UTF8&ll=28.490419,-81.259518&spn=0.070608,0.109863&z=13), there might be one more close one, I have to try to find that one, but these 3 are the closest I have.

I think she was at home for the 3:35 call



I really need to go look at the map someone has shared. The other night after I read these phone records, I was seeing numbers in my sleep and haven't looked at them since LOL!!

[FrankieBones1]

I was thinking it was code for "remember Cindy's story, remember Cindy's story"
I thought it was code for, "I wanna choke her, I wanna choke her".

[kakax]

Intermeresting!
I want to stand in line to get my hands around her scrawny neck, too.

Frankie...love your quote and all of your posts. Intermeresting reminds me of my Dad...although I usually think he means it in the opposite way you have used it LOL!!

[hamebone]

So she figured she'd head back to the house .. knowing George had to be at work at 3:00 was it?
She may have even tried to catch GA before he left but was too late.
They won't answer my calls ... Well .. I'll teach them.

Speculation.

I read somewhere the 1 minute on the cell records ...means no one answered ..but didnt she call Cindys work place? Why would those go unanswered? Its a doctors office isnt it? I would think someone would answer the phone and take a message.

[nana6]

Very good point. Why would Casey lie to everyone else but tell only her brother the truth? So let's hope that Lee saw it for himself. Then the only question we'd have would be............is Lee telling the truth! JMO

For some crazy reason I thought that Lee was the voice of reason in that house. I just thought he was being truthful and straight forward with the po po. I also want to say that when he and Casey were seen high fiving near the elevator that day, I assumed it was because they got by all the reporters fast and right into the building. I never thought of anything sinister.

[~jomomma~]

could george and cindy have locked the house up on the 16th so casey couldn't come back that day while they were gone? and she got there and was pissed? maybe that is the reason for the 'flurry' of calls to them. she may have been outside the house, stewing.

[Joan Weiss]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the calls from 3:03 to 4:24 were made FROM the Anthony house.I agree. Then a 2 hour space, and she figures they're home. Calls them at home. She was out, they weren't letting her back in. She never took Caylee to spend the night at Tony's, so she had nowhere to go, with Caylee. SHE could go there, but not the baby. End of Caylee. I think she wanted them to take Caylee, and she would have went on her way with Tony. Cindy must be dying inside. imo

[hamebone]

Thanks so much .. but I've already tried that ... didn't work for me.



these are easier to read


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-09/42528488.pdf

[day2day]

Intermeresting!
I want to stand in line to get my hands around her scrawny neck, too.

It is obviously alright in the Anthony home to choke someone out over stolen money. BUT you would NOT be allowed to choke her out for Caylee. Nope won't happen. Only mani/pedis and myspace/facebook for PrincessPantsonFire.

IMO they have all but forgotten Caylee...jmo :(

[OneUp]

Thanks so much .. but I've already tried that ... didn't work for me.

:(
Sorry to hear that. Finding and viewing the documents is getting maddening for me. I STILL cannot find a link that works for me and has the original interviews ( TonE, Ricardo, etc. from the inital 400 pages). I know there was reference to what jeff hopkins II and his father had to say about his contact w/Casye...I remember reading about the calls to the house of the parents and to his cell in the small hours...
I wish now I had printed off the most relevant documents. The links I originally used have been pulled and don't work, I tried the ones here but cannot find those interviews on them or the ones nioce posters have provided me.
I wish I had a better memory too!

[~jomomma~]

Ah. So you're thinking Casey might have killed Caylee BECAUSE they didn't answer the phone, not that she called them AFTER there had been a horrible accident and Caylee was injured/dead?

i am thinking that whatever happened, happened AFTER the calls.

maybe not that day (maybe so, i don't know)

i don't know what to think of the choroform. sometimes i think by the way casey acts now, she was using it to put caylee down. she had to have been doing something with her all those nights.

but for some reason, i also think maybe poor little caylee was crying for her grandma and wanting to go home. it's possible she got pushed and hit her head...who knows

i go from one theory to another....it makes me crazy

[Mamie]

For some crazy reason I thought that Lee was the voice of reason in that house. I just thought he was being truthful and straight forward with the po po. I also want to say that when he and Casey were seen high fiving near the elevator that day, I assumed it was because they got by all the reporters fast and right into the building. I never thought of anything sinister.

Well, I know that he has said that he and his sister are very close, but that doesn't make her a saint at keeping him in the loop with nothing but the truth. And I thought I'd read or heard somewhere where he erased some stuff off her computer? Like emails? I love my sister but if she asked me to do that in light of a similar situation such as Casey's, I can tell you that I would plead computer illiterate and not have a hand in that at all. The high-fiving may very well have been for what you thought it was about. I don't believe there was anything suspicious about that. JMO

[kakax]

Very early in this case, I had a long phone call with Boxer. She kept saying how odd it was that Cindy didn't answer the phone. I said, "But, she was at work." Boxer said, "Exactly."

Hmmmmmmmm (sorry for the number of m's lol)

[~jomomma~]

Alot of choking going on in that house :shrug:

lmao!

can't see why not with that little lying, thieving, spiteful ***** living there! :tongue:

[st777jo]

I really need to go look at the map someone has shared. The other night after I read these phone records, I was seeing numbers in my sleep and haven't looked at them since LOL!!

check your pm, jo

[Joan Weiss]

I read somewhere the 1 minute on the cell records ...means no one answered ..but didnt she call Cindys work place? Why would those go unanswered? Its a doctors office isnt it? I would think someone would answer the phone and take a message.She called Cindy's cell phone, I think.

[kakax]

i am thinking that whatever happened, happened AFTER the calls.

maybe not that day (maybe so, i don't know)

i don't know what to think of the choroform. sometimes i think by the way casey acts now, she was using it to put caylee down. she had to have been doing something with her all those nights.

but for some reason, i also think maybe poor little caylee was crying for her grandma and wanting to go home. it's possible she got pushed and hit her head...who knows

i go from one theory to another....it makes me crazy



From Steff's detective work, we know that Casey was with Tone at blockbuster that night. Had to have happened before then....unless she had Caylee chloroformed in the car and didn't she had died.

[desmom]

Really Desmon? I do know he has said George and Casey got into it right when she got out the 1st time.

Boy a family that actually comes to blows with each other and now they are living in a house of cards.......something has to give. Wonder if they drink........How could you not?.........I would at least be thinking about drinking!!
I could not take it I have to have things orderly......you know no killers around.......

Posted 9/23/08

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12169610&postcount=672




Tim from TES and Padilla interviewed.

Radio interview

Several new things:

Tim recently talked to Cindy and he is coming back.
Padilla says Cindy literally grabbed Casey by the throat.

[barskin&co.]

Thanks, Bchand. The last name threw me off.

Did you hear Lenny talking about the fight that night of the 15th? He claims that Cindy tried to choke Casey. Nancy asks how he knows this and Lenny answers, "Ask Lee".

Yeah, but Lee could have only heard it from Casey, and....:shrug:

[dixie77]

alot of choking going on in that house :shrug:
============

rotfl

[Joan Weiss]

:(
Sorry to hear that. Finding and viewing the documents is getting maddening for me. I STILL cannot find a link that works for me and has the original interviews ( TonE, Ricardo, etc. from the inital 400 pages). I know there was reference to what jeff hopkins II and his father had to say about his contact w/Casye...I remember reading about the calls to the house of the parents and to his cell in the small hours...
I wish now I had printed off the most relevant documents. The links I originally used have been pulled and don't work, I tried the ones here but cannot find those interviews on them or the ones nioce posters have provided me.
I wish I had a better memory too!I can't get George's audio interview. When I click it, all I get is music match, and....music. :confused:

[~jomomma~]

I agree. Then a 2 hour space, and she figures they're home. Calls them at home. She was out, they weren't letting her back in. She never took Caylee to spend the night at Tony's, so she had nowhere to go, with Caylee. SHE could go there, but not the baby. End of Caylee. I think she wanted them to take Caylee, and she would have went on her way with Tony. Cindy must be dying inside. imo

i can agree with your post joan

and i can't imagine what cindy must feel :(

as much as i hate what she's been doing, it has to be killing her.

[mosey2]

From Steff's detective work, we know that Casey was with Tone at blockbuster that night. Had to have happened before then....unless she had Caylee chloroformed in the car and didn't she had died.
The Movies they rented were 'Jumper' and 'Untraceable'

Is anyone familiar with these movies? I wonder if Casey or Tony picked them out. If they are like a normal coulple each would have picked out one. Which one was Casey's?

[barskin&co.]

:(
Sorry to hear that. Finding and viewing the documents is getting maddening for me. I STILL cannot find a link that works for me and has the original interviews ( TonE, Ricardo, etc. from the inital 400 pages). I know there was reference to what jeff hopkins II and his father had to say about his contact w/Casye...I remember reading about the calls to the house of the parents and to his cell in the small hours...
I wish now I had printed off the most relevant documents. The links I originally used have been pulled and don't work, I tried the ones here but cannot find those interviews on them or the ones nioce posters have provided me.
I wish I had a better memory too!

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-case-discovery-documents-2batch,0,2787194.htmlpage

Jeff Hopkins interview starts on (pdf) page 346 of 446

[day2day]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrlucky917
alot of choking going on in that house


:lol:
chokin-lyin hammer what more could a family ask for?!

[Joan Weiss]

From Steff's detective work, we know that Casey was with Tone at blockbuster that night. Had to have happened before then....unless she had Caylee chloroformed in the car and didn't she had died.I agree. She must have been in a rage, wanting to be free of that poor baby. imo

[day2day]

The Movies they rented were 'Jumper' and 'Untraceable'

Is anyone familiar with these movies? I wonder if Casey or Tony picked them out. If they are like a normal coulple each would have picked out one. Which one was Casey's?

Untraceable-
FBI agent Jennifer Marsh is tasked with hunting down a seemingly untraceable serial killer who posts live videos of his victims on the Internet. As time runs out, the cat and mouse chase becomes more personal
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0880578/


Jumper
A genetic anomaly allows a young man to teleport himself anywhere. He discovers this gift has existed for centuries and finds himself in a war that has been raging for thousands of years between "Jumpers" and those who have sworn to kill them.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489099/

[~jomomma~]

From Steff's detective work, we know that Casey was with Tone at blockbuster that night. Had to have happened before then....unless she had Caylee chloroformed in the car and didn't she had died.

true

*sigh*

[hamebone]

She called Cindy's cell phone, I think.

yes, she did but she also called her work place

JUNE 16TH

3:03pm - George Anthony's Cell
4:10pm - Cindy Anthony's Work
4:11pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
4:13pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
4:14pm - Cindy Anthony's Work
4:19pm - Anthony Lazzaro
4:21pm - Jesse Grund
4:24pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
6:32pm - The Anthony Home
6:33pm - Voicemail
7:06pm - The Anthony Home
7:20pm - Amy Huizenga


why didnt anyone answer? I would think they have a receptionist to take phone calls make appointments and such..

[Mamie]

Yeah, but Lee could have only heard it from Casey, and....:shrug:

Yeah, that's what I say. But I am troubled also by Lee-----let's say he saw it, would he tell that he saw it? Or let's say he SAID he saw it, would it be the truth? I don't have a true read on him yet. Although I do not believe him to be in the same league as Cindy or Casey when it comes to lying, I do not know if I trust him completely, just yet.

[mosey2]

Untraceable-
FBI agent Jennifer Marsh is tasked with hunting down a seemingly untraceable serial killer who posts live videos of his victims on the Internet. As time runs out, the cat and mouse chase becomes more personal
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0880578/


Jumper
A genetic anomaly allows a young man to teleport himself anywhere. He discovers this gift has existed for centuries and finds himself in a war that has been raging for thousands of years between "Jumpers" and those who have sworn to kill them.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489099/
Oh yeah. Casey's would definately be 'Untraceable'

[Cury-us Coyote]

Alot of choking going on in that house :shrug:

FWIW, I put everything the BH in the pile that smells like smoke. IIRC, GA did mysteriously go for a neighborhood walk one of the first nights Casey was home and Lee followed in the car to pick GA up.

[day2day]

Oh yeah. Casey's would definately be 'Untraceable'

That really is a GRUESOME movie. This guy goes and kidnaps a man takes him to a remote place and he ties this guy up and places thousands of heat lamps around him -the more people that log onto the website the more lamps turn on the faster he dies. Just an example there are many more :(...

Yea this would be her choice! jmo

[mosey2]

I am left to wonder if there was/is an incriminating video out there.:shrug:

[mosey2]

That really is a GRUESOME movie. This guy goes and kidnaps a man takes him to a remote place and he ties this guy up and places thousands of heat lamps around him -the more people that log onto the website the more lamps turn on the faster he dies. Just an example there are many more :(...

Yea this would be her choice! jmo
I couldnt make heads or tails of the things Casey bought from the store receipts

[dixie77]

FWIW, I put everything the BH in the pile that smells like smoke. IIRC, GA did mysteriously go for a neighborhood walk one of the first nights Casey was home and Lee followed in the car to pick GA up.
=============

Oh yeah..........i remember it was said that George tried to strangle Casey when she first got out on bond (the first time)....maybe thats why he went to take a walk. Then Lee picked him up.

[Joan Weiss]

yes, she did but she also called her work place

JUNE 16TH

3:03pm - George Anthony's Cell
4:10pm - Cindy Anthony's Work
4:11pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
4:13pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
4:14pm - Cindy Anthony's Work
4:19pm - Anthony Lazzaro
4:21pm - Jesse Grund
4:24pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
6:32pm - The Anthony Home
6:33pm - Voicemail
7:06pm - The Anthony Home
7:20pm - Amy Huizenga


why didnt anyone answer? I would think they have a receptionist to take phone calls make appointments and such..Message phone? :shrug:

[OneUp]

Hey did you check out Lorakai's thread?
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=340038

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf original doc dumpI did try the other day. But I have since done some housekeeping on my computer, it's certainly worth a second try!

[shelbar53]

I still think cindy was close to edge and then went over the edge when she found out about the credit cardsa and missing money.. she went to universal july 3rd to look for caylee, im sure thats when she found out casey didnt work there...that same day is when she wrote that thing on her myspace.

[tiny paw-prints]

But who did Lee get that info from?

Casey? If it was her, I woudnt put much stock in it.

About Lenny saying Cindy choked Casey on June 15th because Lee said so ... I agree. I also wouldn't put much stock in the 'spiteful b*tch' comment.

[hamebone]

Message phone? :shrug:


But wouldnt that show the time it took to leave a message?

Beats me Joan, I'm not tech savy.

[day2day]

Sweet Dreams Ya'll....4 oclock comes way too early!:seeya:

Prays tomorrow will bring us all good news!:rose:

[mosey2]

Sweet Dreams Ya'll....4 oclock comes way too early!:seeya:

Prays tomorrow will bring us all good news!:rose:
Bye Day!:seeya:

[steffaroob4]

yes, she did but she also called her work place

JUNE 16TH

3:03pm - George Anthony's Cell
4:10pm - Cindy Anthony's Work
4:11pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
4:13pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
4:14pm - Cindy Anthony's Work
4:19pm - Anthony Lazzaro
4:21pm - Jesse Grund
4:24pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
6:32pm - The Anthony Home
6:33pm - Voicemail
7:06pm - The Anthony Home
7:20pm - Amy Huizenga


why didnt anyone answer? I would think they have a receptionist to take phone calls make appointments and such..


I duuno, I am looking at records, I am confused to this one number that other's have said is Lexus dealership, does anyone know if that is true, because it has popped up twice in the flurry of calls. Seems someone didn't put a call to Tony L in the flurry.

Here is what I have so far:

3:03pm - George Anthony's Cell (67 min to the next call) *Casey's father
3:04pm- GA calls Casey 26 seconds 28.502844, -81.286333

3:35- Casey to Tony L, 22 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333

4:10pm - Cindy Anthony's Work (1 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother
4:10pm- Casey to Lexus of Orlando 34 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333

4:10pm - Cindy Anthony's Work (1 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother
4:11:25 Casey to CA at work, 0 seconds, no tower evidence, just blank I think it was stooped before call went through

4:11pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell (2 minutes to the next call) *
4:11:49 Casey to CA at work, 3 seconds, 28.4547222 -81.2636111

4:13pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell (1 minutes to the next call) *
4:13pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell 2 seconds 28.502844, -81.286333

[st777jo]

Kakax, did you get my reply? Puter went down. Think Cindy could let me use her CC to get a new one?

[OneUp]

I can't get George's audio interview. When I click it, all I get is music match, and....music. :confused:[/I]I did get the link here to work this time! Yeah! I'll see if my hubs can put it on disks or something...if I find my link to Georges audio joan, I'll try to post or PM it to you.
I'll look once I get the baby in her little bed.:)

[Rayosunshine]

Thankyou so much..I have been wanting to see that for sooooo long!

It almost looks like Casey called her dad ( the police as she knows him) But was there no answer , no talking .then tried to call mom .....so many times............a mom you just had the most major blowout with ? Those frantic calls to mom are very telling to me , this says tome that Casey fors tried to call cop dad and when she couldn't get him she was forced to call mom ,even though it was her last resort and not her first choice of who to call, since that horrific fight ,but it looks like Casey thought mom would answer so she just kept calling ,thinking no mayyer what she would alwasy be able to get ahold of mom.....because WHY did she not try DAD again........then it just looks like she lost hope and thought about the situation too long and CASEY being of NOT SOUND mind made decissions ,selfish ones to just let it go and cover her own but .?


How might this be different if someone would have answered their phone?

[kakax]

The Movies they rented were 'Jumper' and 'Untraceable'

Is anyone familiar with these movies? I wonder if Casey or Tony picked them out. If they are like a normal coulple each would have picked out one. Which one was Casey's?

OMG...you are kidding right?

[kakax]

Kakax, did you get my reply? Puter went down. Think Cindy could let me use her CC to get a new one?

I'm thinking its worth a shot...I want a new digital camera...can you get that added as well?

[shelbar53]

How might this be different if someone would have answered their phone?

we wouldnt know anything about a missing little girl..they would have covered it all up

[Rayosunshine]

oh absolutely, time for a new publication! it just has to be associated with the Axis II.....lol :D

seriously, I see serious here in this case....I can see an attempt to 'smooth over' thangs later on, but not out of the starting gate regarding a timeline and inadquate explanations to LE as to the state of their relationship with their daughter.

that is fact: they withheld critical information....its in the interview. carefully chosen words from Cindy regarding Casey and her comings and goings....she would leave but never for a week, but never comes out and says WE DIDNT GET ALONG and SHE WOULD LEAVE FOR A FEW DAYS...

a definitive aversion to a detail such as that....but not when it comes to Zanny's bleeding ear, etc.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Do we know that Casey is on tape or it is in a transcript that she really told her mother that story about the Zanny accident? Or is this something Cindy has spun?

[Joan Weiss]

But wouldnt that show the time it took to leave a message?

Beats me Joan, I'm not tech savy.I don't think Cindy would like her leaving a message on her work phone. Lots of employers don't like that. I think Casey called the work phone out of desperation. jmo

[kakax]

I duuno, I am looking at records, I am confused to this one number that other's have said is Lexus dealership, does anyone know if that is true, because it has popped up twice in the flurry of calls. Seems someone didn't put a call to Tony L in the flurry.

Here is what I have so far:

3:03pm - George Anthony's Cell (67 min to the next call) *Casey's father
3:04pm- GA calls Casey 26 seconds 28.502844, -81.286333

3:35- Casey to Tony L, 22 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333

4:10pm - Cindy Anthony's Work (1 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother
4:10pm- Casey to Lexus of Orlando 34 seconds, 28.502844, -81.286333

4:10pm - Cindy Anthony's Work (1 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother
4:11:25 Casey to CA at work, 0 seconds, no tower evidence, just blank I think it was stooped before call went through

4:11pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell (2 minutes to the next call) *
4:11:49 Casey to CA at work, 3 seconds, 28.4547222 -81.2636111

4:13pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell (1 minutes to the next call) *
4:13pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell 2 seconds 28.502844, -81.286333




THat is Lexus of Orlando... I just called it rofl!

[Joan Weiss]

Clear sign of deception. You guys, I am still really struggling with this case, how it's effected me and how disturbed I was by GA's interview.
I did finally sleep last night after a week with not a lot of sleep. We have flu here, it's going back n forth. So I've been reading today's thread, and just thinking. And I dont like what I"m thinking at all.

Does anyone here think that Casey's description of an "accident" could be what really happened to Caylee? Or does anyone think that George could have ran her over on accident in the driveway? Why was LE so careful with him in that interview?

Sorry but of all the interviews in this case, GA and Cindy's made me the most uncomfortable. Now why is that, if Casey is the monster here?
hammerGeorge is the only one I'm relying on anymore. His LE interview was impressive, imo. Talking about the smell...He knows. imo

[Ckrdpast]

Hope no one minds but I just had to bring these over from this mornings thread because I am still laughing over them


Quote:
Originally Posted by WinnieLeigh7
Daddy hit a squirrel who shot off two offspring, stillborns, but yet they managed to crawl into the engine, where Casey found them after they were thrown from the engine and plastered onto the front of of the car, which made her trunk stink.



Is that better? Understand now?

Quote:
Originally Posted by snap4
I vote this the most creative post of the day, anyone else?

Quote:
Originally Posted by forensicnut
And their names were Chip and Dale and they were singing the Chip and Dale theme song.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by WinnieLeigh7
That's chipmunks now, don't get everyone confused

Quote:
Originally Posted by ?noanswer
There were no squirrels, except as a figment of Casey's imagination. JMO

Quote:
Originally Posted by SayWHAT?
But did the imaginary squirrels have a concussion? Perhaps a large cut behind their wittle ears?

Quote:
Originally Posted by msgatorslayer
I've been gone all day but it gets my vote.
The story is so good - an Anthony could have wrote it, lmao.



Ok, so I should have let someone else try this, bringing over posts from the morning thread thing, because I am a novice, LOL beacuase, I ended up putting all of these posts right back on the morning thread somehow, so this is my second shot at this. Hope it worked, and I have to go soon and just wanted to say...Thanks to all the inquiring, imaginative, and humorous minds on here. You are always so interesting that I am now addicted to this site!! Have a great afternoon all
snap


knock it off goofy!!

[playnice]

didnt Casey have her favorite movies on myspace? If so, has anyone seen them and was there any bodies hidden?
Maybe that would be a clue where Caylee is since she picks her characters out of books and movies.

[~jomomma~]

time for me to hit the sack! :seeya:



for Caylee :rose:

[Rayosunshine]

Hold on there. Not singling you out jo .. but everyone is so horrified by these remarks... YET.. You would all have her screaming from the rooftops that her daughter murdered her grand daughter?
She's a beast from hell for calling her kid a sociopath and a liar but a beast from hell for NOT publically calling her a murderer?

:shrug:

And just imagine living with that kind of treatment for 22 years.

[steffaroob4]

THat is Lexus of Orlando... I just called it rofl!

Well, she called them twice in the flurry of calls theory????:shrug:

Then Tony L calls her, she calls him back, there is a lot of stuff missing in the original flurry.:shrug:

[oldbluesmith]

yes, she did but she also called her work place

JUNE 16TH

3:03pm - George Anthony's Cell
4:10pm - Cindy Anthony's Work
4:11pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
4:13pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
4:14pm - Cindy Anthony's Work
4:19pm - Anthony Lazzaro
4:21pm - Jesse Grund
4:24pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
6:32pm - The Anthony Home
6:33pm - Voicemail
7:06pm - The Anthony Home
7:20pm - Amy Huizenga


why didnt anyone answer? I would think they have a receptionist to take phone calls make appointments and such..
Just a theory, but Casey missed George because he had already left for work. Cindy was going to therapy and may have taken the advise to cut Casey loose after the fight the night before and either did not answer and let the calls go to voice mail or hung up on Casey. Cindy may have either hung up on Casey at her work number or told her coworkers to tell Casey she was not at work for the same reason. JMHO

[~jomomma~]

George is the only one I'm relying on anymore. His LE interview was impressive, imo. Talking about the smell...He knows. imo

that's what i was thinking.

i also wonder what the deal was with casey's letter...she wanted to see her dad.

maybe she wanted to try to shmooze him over after finding out he learned of all her lies about him?

i hope it didn't work

[Ckrdpast]

And just imagine living with that kind of treatment for 22 years.


isabelle - is that you?

[hamebone]

I don't think Cindy would like her leaving a message on her work phone. Lots of employers don't like that. I think Casey called the work phone out of desperation. jmo

You could be right Joan. That does make sense.

[OneUp]

Yeah, that's what I say. But I am troubled also by Lee-----let's say he saw it, would he tell that he saw it? Or let's say he SAID he saw it, would it be the truth? I don't have a true read on him yet. Although I do not believe him to be in the same league as Cindy or Casey when it comes to lying, I do not know if I trust him completely, just yet.Lee disturbs me in the manner in which he continues to come across all "cloak and dagger"...I wonder if he may be a big "gamer" ( NOT that theres anything inherently wrong with that)? It would explain him fancying himself to have detective skills, and his ability to seperate the reality of this from his attempts at fact finding missions...he might be able to tell himself it's all a "game".
I do see signs of arrested development in his speech, mannerisms, and lifestyle ( no, I don't think every man his age with a transient housing situation, pregnant girlfriend, and iffy job situation is arrested emotionally...but..:rolleyes:...lee doesn't seem very mature IMO...)...isn't Lee 26?
I am baffled by his behavior, and intrigued by how he inserted himself front and center and then disappeared as suddenly. It doesn't necessarily mean a thing, but it interests me nonetheless.
JMO.

[steffaroob4]

Just a theory, but Casey missed George because he had already left for work. Cindy was going to therapy and may have taken the advise to cut Casey loose after the fight the night before and either did not answer and let the calls go to voice mail or hung up on Casey. Cindy may have either hung up on Casey at her work number or told her coworkers to tell Casey she was not at work for the same reason. JMHO

I believe GA called casey, that is what my eyes see.
kinda throws a big old wrench in the flurry of calls, doesn't it

[barskin&co.]

Lee disturbs me in the manner in which he continues to come across all "cloak and dagger"...I wonder if he may be a big "gamer" ( NOT that theres anything inherently wrong with that)? It would explain him fancying himself to have detective skills, and his ability to seperate the reality of this from his attempts at fact finding missions...he might be able to tell himself it's all a "game".
I do see signs of arrested development in his speech, mannerisms, and lifestyle ( no, I don't think every man his age with a transient housing situation, pregnant girlfriend, and iffy job situation is arrested emotionally...but..:rolleyes:...lee doesn't seem very mature IMO...)...isn't Lee 26?
I am baffled by his behavior, and intrigued by how he inserted himself front and center and then disappeared as suddenly. It doesn't necessarily mean a thing, but it interests me nonetheless.
JMO.

What I find strange about Lee is that he seemed so devoid of emotion about the situation. He has seemed too casual, too cool, and too full of hearty laughter.

[nana6]

How might this be different if someone would have answered their phone?

Ya know, no matter how angry I may have been with my daughter had I not seen her in soo long with my grand daughter, there is no way I would not have answered my phone just for the simple reason that maybe something was wrong. If Cindy had only answered.

[kakax]

Well, she called them twice in the flurry of calls theory????:shrug:

Then Tony L calls her, she calls him back, there is a lot of stuff missing in the original flurry.:shrug:

Doesn't make sense does it. Could George have worked there for a time?

[Joan Weiss]

I am way behind but I did watc Nancy Grace tonight and I don't know how much to believe from Padilla but you would figure what he says will come into question at trial.

He stated he knew Casey left the night of the 15th after the big fight and Nancy could ask Lee about that.

So that leads me back to my conclusion and theory that GA never saw Caylee or Casey the 16th.
We have the cell records and pings for that day. Was she out and about the 16th where pings would show she was NOT at the house the time GA claims she was?

Can the cell records prove GA lied about them being at the house at that time?

Sorry if you all have been through this and answered. I just didn't know where to begin to catch up on the threads as to what i missed before posting and asking.I don't think George saw her that day. Had he seen her, she wouldn't have frantically been trying to call. imo

[Rayosunshine]

Shirley is Cindy's mother I believe.

Speaking of Shirley, what did you think of her mentioning the 2 calls she got where she heard a child babbling in the background? I think they were messages on her ans. machine.

[steffaroob4]

Doesn't make sense does it. Could George have worked there for a time?

No, I am pretty sure I have read that a friend works there, let me think on it.

[barskin&co.]

Question for all of you and I don't think i have ever read any posts about this. Casey claims the weekend that ok wait. Cindy and George claim Casey said she would have a big event and would be staying at Hard Rock Hotel that weekend.

Question

Is the reason she won't allow LE to have her CC records because Casey used the Credit card to stay at the Hard Rock Hotel when they had the huge fight and Caylee was never sen again?

LE would have been able to find that out anyway.

[mosey2]

OMG...you are kidding right?
No. It was on the copy of the Blockbuster receipt in the docs.

[Joan Weiss]

Hi all! Does anyone else wonder about the possible environment of violence that MAY have been long-standing in the Anthony house? IF, and that's a big if for me, it is true that Cindy choked Casey "almost out", it gives me great concern over business as usual in that house.

Granted, what Cindy found out about Casey stealing GGP's money would have sent me into a tailspin, I can't *imagine* choking one of my kids. That's just beyond the realm of possibility to me. I might banish her and/or call the police but violently assault a family member? Or anyone else for that matter unless my life or the lives of my loved ones were in danger is just foreign to me.

BTW, I have thought of my kids as "little snotheads"; usually starting about age 15 :DI recall reading that this is not LE's first time at the rodeo with the Anthonys. There were several calls on previous occasions, before this terrible tragedy, for domestic disturbances. I think that info might be in the links. imo

[kakax]

No, I am pretty sure I have read that a friend works there, let me think on it.

I heard someone worked there but can't remember where I saw it. I have an idea though. Brb.

[Ckrdpast]

Just for you :punch:


lol Love tap you know that :D


grrrrrrrrrrrrr i just got done cleaning OCD SUCKS

barskin i know your all in the LEE thing did you ever think George has more to do with it?

[Rayosunshine]

But who did Lee get that info from?

Casey? If it was her, I woudnt put much stock in it.

Wonder if Casey thought to take a pic of her neck with her cell, after the incident?

[nana6]

He was abnormally detached. Let's not forget his planning a new career
Helping families find their missing loved ones...

OMG Are u serious? I never knew that was his new business!!!! He could have been on their computer then looking up that information!!!!!

[steffaroob4]

Doesn't make sense does it. Could George have worked there for a time?

I think he was security, when did he change jobs, was that july. But, she wan't calling his cell at all. He had called her at 3, no evidence that she called him, that I have seen yet.

Wasn't it Ricardo that worked at several car places?

[Rayosunshine]

Idol ( and anyone having trouble w/the size of the docs. on some sites), If you hold down the control ( Ctrl) on you keyboard, and press the (+) plus sign it should make the page get bigger. The same with the (-) should make it smaller. The biggest problem with doing this is that the words end up fuzzing with much enlargement, but it may help.
( My teen taught me that this weekend! TY Audrey!)

Audrey, tell your teen we said thanks.

[Joan Weiss]

Lee disturbs me in the manner in which he continues to come across all "cloak and dagger"...I wonder if he may be a big "gamer" ( NOT that theres anything inherently wrong with that)? It would explain him fancying himself to have detective skills, and his ability to seperate the reality of this from his attempts at fact finding missions...he might be able to tell himself it's all a "game".
I do see signs of arrested development in his speech, mannerisms, and lifestyle ( no, I don't think every man his age with a transient housing situation, pregnant girlfriend, and iffy job situation is arrested emotionally...but..:rolleyes:...lee doesn't seem very mature IMO...)...isn't Lee 26?
I am baffled by his behavior, and intrigued by how he inserted himself front and center and then disappeared as suddenly. It doesn't necessarily mean a thing, but it interests me nonetheless.
JMO.This is very interesting. And interesting also that he asserted himself with the woman (she was sitting, he towered over her) and her dog, but not with any men. Also, George chose an old lady. What's your take on that?

[mosey2]

Question for all of you and I don't think i have ever read any posts about this. Casey claims the weekend that ok wait. Cindy and George claim Casey said she would have a big event and would be staying at Hard Rock Hotel that weekend.

Question

Is the reason she won't allow LE to have her CC records because Casey used the Credit card to stay at the Hard Rock Hotel when they had the huge fight and Caylee was never sen again?Unless there is more than one incedent that Casey said she'd be staying at the Hard Rock Hotel, the daye of that "conference" was June 18-20. Casey then told Cindy the conference was moved to Tampa on the 20th and she was staying at the Marriot Busch Gardens. She supposedly left Tampa on the 23rd when Zanny got into an accident and landed in the Tampa General Hospital with various injuries.
Cindy described these events to LE during her interview, and come h3ll or high water, LE will check it out and compare them to CC statements. Even if it takes a court order to get them from Cindy.

[OneUp]

didnt Casey have her favorite movies on myspace? If so, has anyone seen them and was there any bodies hidden?
Maybe that would be a clue where Caylee is since she picks her characters out of books and movies."American Psycho", IIRC, the suave, Yuppie psychopath uses Lue or Lime (?) to dissolve some of the bodies ( I could have my movies mixed up. It's been a while since I watched it.)...disturbing thought that if Casey felt "inspired" by this she may have done something similar...I don't think so though. I think the lack of reporting reflects a lack of caring, not planning.
JMO.

[kakax]

I heard someone worked there but can't remember where I saw it. I have an idea though. Brb.

I looked and didn't find answers just others asking the same thing.

[Joan Weiss]

Question for all of you and I don't think i have ever read any posts about this. Casey claims the weekend that ok wait. Cindy and George claim Casey said she would have a big event and would be staying at Hard Rock Hotel that weekend.

Question

Is the reason she won't allow LE to have her CC records because Casey used the Credit card to stay at the Hard Rock Hotel when they had the huge fight and Caylee was never sen again?I think they can get them without going through her. imo

[Rayosunshine]

Very early in this case, I had a long phone call with Boxer. She kept saying how odd it was that Cindy didn't answer the phone. I said, "But, she was at work." Boxer said, "Exactly."

Took me a few, but I understand now.

[Joan Weiss]

What I find strange about Lee is that he seemed so devoid of emotion about the situation. He has seemed too casual, too cool, and too full of hearty laughter.His audio really creeps me out. :chicken:

[steffaroob4]

Didn't Ricardo work at a car dealership? and was it Troy also?

I can't remember, arghhammer

[kakax]

I think he was security, when did he change jobs, was that july. But, she wan't calling his cell at all. He had called her at 3, no evidence that she called him, that I have seen yet.

Wasn't it Ricardo that worked at several car places?


I hadn't heard that. We can look on his documents and see if he listed that number as his work number though. NM he didn't put a work number down.

[barskin&co.]

grrrrrrrrrrrrr i just got done cleaning OCD SUCKS

barskin i know your all in the LEE thing did you ever think George has more to do with it?

I didn't say Lee had anything to do with it. I don't think he was around.
On the other hand, George...He sounded credible in his interview, then I was reading an analysis of it which mentioned the abnormal amount of times he uses the phrase "to be honest."

[Joan Weiss]

Ya know, no matter how angry I may have been with my daughter had I not seen her in soo long with my grand daughter, there is no way I would not have answered my phone just for the simple reason that maybe something was wrong. If Cindy had only answered.She just talked to her the day before.

[kakax]

I can't remember, arghhammer


If the list of phone contacts from Casey's phone is accurate, it isn't programmed into her phone. She would have had to look it up. She didn't memorize numbers obviously lol!

[OneUp]

What I find strange about Lee is that he seemed so devoid of emotion about the situation. He has seemed too casual, too cool, and too full of hearty laughter.Yes, I agree...he sems almost "thrilled" by the Clue aspect of the situation, but pretty emotionless otherwise. I show more emotion discussing books with my reading group than he does. That is what I meant to communicate, that he is removed frmo the terrible reality that his niece, who he seemed to love, has been taken/murdered and has been now missing over 100 days. Even if he bought Casey's story hook, line, and sinker...he should have worried what she might be experiencing, and how well she would be cared for by someone unbalanced enough to kidnap.
JMO.

[steffaroob4]

I looked and didn't find answers just others asking the same thing.

I would bet on it being a friend, lol.

[dixie77]

Speaking of Shirley, what did you think of her mentioning the 2 calls she got where she heard a child babbling in the background? I think they were messages on her ans. machine.
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Hi Isabelle I dont remember reading that. Where can i find it? thanks

[Joan Weiss]

Casey was hardly an innocent victim.. I think she and her mother fed off one another. I think both of them have a vicious temper as well.
I think that's why George spent so much time working in the yard and washing the cars.That's an excellent take. :cool:

[Rayosunshine]

She has more than just covering for Casey as a reason to lie.
When it all sinks in for her. The whole ugly truth will be laid at her feet.

Excellent post.

[tiny paw-prints]

No, I am pretty sure I have read that a friend works there, let me think on it.

IIRC, it was Dante who worked at a car dealership and quit on 6/17.

[Ckrdpast]

I didn't say Lee had anything to do with it. I don't think he was around.
On the other hand, George...He sounded credible in his interview, then I was reading an analysis of it which mentioned the abnormal amount of times he uses the phrase "to be honest."


george is the reason i think casey is so adament---no body will be found she had help AFTER THE FACT
IMHO

[mosey2]

Didn't Ricardo work at a car dealership? and was it Troy also?Dante worked at a car dealership until June 17

[Rayosunshine]

yes, she did but she also called her work place

JUNE 16TH

3:03pm - George Anthony's Cell
4:10pm - Cindy Anthony's Work
4:11pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
4:13pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
4:14pm - Cindy Anthony's Work
4:19pm - Anthony Lazzaro
4:21pm - Jesse Grund
4:24pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
6:32pm - The Anthony Home
6:33pm - Voicemail
7:06pm - The Anthony Home
7:20pm - Amy Huizenga


why didnt anyone answer? I would think they have a receptionist to take phone calls make appointments and such..

I don't understand why Cindy's work didn't answer. She was in Home Health and even if the office closed at 4pm, they would roll the phone over to an answering service - they would have an RN available 24/7 for calls.

Edit: do we know for sure no one answered at Cindy's work? Did Casey leave a message to have Cindy call her?

[barskin&co.]

Naw that search was back In March.
Lee told a reporter after a Trenton Duckett vigil that he was going to follow that career path.

That's his career path? What is he going to tell the families of missing loved ones? After you lie to the police, alienate the public at large and get bailed out of jail, call me! And he thinks families with missing loved are going to think, "What can we do? Wait, I know, let's get someone from the Anthony family."

[OneUp]

I recall reading that this is not LE's first time at the rodeo with the Anthonys. There were several calls on previous occasions, before this terrible tragedy, for domestic disturbances. I think that info might be in the links. imoI know we once had a list of previous calls to the adress, because I remember the scramble to figure out what the codes meant. One was STOVEH, for stolen vehicle...if we're lucky, someone has that link saved. There were numerous calls IIRC.
JMO.

[shelbar53]

I am way behind but I did watc Nancy Grace tonight and I don't know how much to believe from Padilla but you would figure what he says will come into question at trial.

He stated he knew Casey left the night of the 15th after the big fight and Nancy could ask Lee about that.

So that leads me back to my conclusion and theory that GA never saw Caylee or Casey the 16th.
We have the cell records and pings for that day. Was she out and about the 16th where pings would show she was NOT at the house the time GA claims she was?

Can the cell records prove GA lied about them being at the house at that time?

Sorry if you all have been through this and answered. I just didn't know where to begin to catch up on the threads as to what i missed before posting and asking.

IIRC, she was sending someone a message on their myspace or face page around 2:20, the same day the gas can incident happened. someone was gonna check where she was when she was on the computer...time frame not right if she was at home with gas cans and sending computer mssg

[Joan Weiss]

Right. I haven't went through all the cell records but I was thinking if he says he saw her that day during that time and the cell records show that she could NOT have been at home during that time. That proves he lied.

I started thinking about this after watching NG show tonight.Thanks for bringing it up, you jarred my brain. :cool:

[Rayosunshine]

That really is a GRUESOME movie. This guy goes and kidnaps a man takes him to a remote place and he ties this guy up and places thousands of heat lamps around him -the more people that log onto the website the more lamps turn on the faster he dies. Just an example there are many more :(...

Yea this would be her choice! jmo

Oh God! Was that for real or was it just a movie?

[Joan Weiss]

Wonder if Casey thought to take a pic of her neck with her cell, after the incident?Are you kidding? It probably happens all the time. Now I'm recalling someone saying they saw bruises on Caylee. A hairdresser or someone like that? imo

[Joan Weiss]

OMG Are u serious? I never knew that was his new business!!!! He could have been on their computer then looking up that information!!!!!Wasn't that looked up before Caylee went missing?

[playnice]

I guess what I was trying to say was Casey uses certain pieces of real events for HER stories. I was wondering if the weekend she left. Fathers Day weekend and the last time anyone saw Caylee. When nobody had seen them physically but only by phone. Was that she may have stayed at Hard Rock Hotel after killing Caylee and that the cell records would show she wasn't at her house when GA says she was.

I was thinking the reason Cindy would not turn over the CC records was because it might show Casey used the CC to stay at that hotel and incriminate Casey even more.

Just wanting some thoughts on this since tonights show.

Very interesting to find out wouldnt it? I know Lenny started to talk about a hotel that night NG interrupted him. It wouldnt surprise me a bit.

[Ckrdpast]

Get this on his audio? When he realizes no one is home, after finding the car airing out in the garage he exclaims to LE that he is "exicted"
Well it's his choice of words during his intv and his inappropriate behavior that freak me out. Totally he freaks my freak.
And with that' Im out.!
Dots

happy yorgurt jenny!! nitey nite

[Joan Weiss]

I didn't say Lee had anything to do with it. I don't think he was around.
On the other hand, George...He sounded credible in his interview, then I was reading an analysis of it which mentioned the abnormal amount of times he uses the phrase "to be honest."I noticed that, too. Now I'm wondering if he was so firm about the smell so that LE would think he WAS honest, and not look at the 16th, when he says he saw Casey and Caylee, and when he says he didn't look in the trunk during the gas can incident. imo

[shelbar53]

I know we once had a list of previous calls to the adress, because I remember the scramble to figure out what the codes meant. One was STOVEH, for stolen vehicle...if we're lucky, someone has that link saved. There were numerous calls IIRC.
JMO.

this the link?

http://www.ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=Policies%2F11.1.2CadCodes.pdf&tabid=233&mid=1812

[Rayosunshine]

isabelle - is that you?


Yes it is.

[Rayosunshine]

I am left to wonder if there was/is an incriminating video out there.:shrug:

Just thought of something. Wonder whether the video monitoring installed in the home was the Anthony's doing or LE's?

[steffaroob4]

OMG, I just figured out why all the calls to Cindy in the June 16 Flurry of calls theory.hammer

[kakax]

IIRC, it was Dante who worked at a car dealership and quit on 6/17.


I went to look at Dante's thread and he didn't mention working there, but he did say that Annie had been interviewed. Confirmation that interview is out there but hasn't been released. Hmm.

[kakax]

OMG, I just figured out why all the calls to Cindy in the June 16 Flurry of calls theory.hammer



What what what!!!!!

[OneUp]

This is very interesting. And interesting also that he asserted himself with the woman (she was sitting, he towered over her) and her dog, but not with any men. Also, George chose an old lady. What's your take on that?I wonder if it may be some acting out of anger they feel at Cindy for being so overbearing and emasculating them with her words and bullying ways....or maybe they are both just Weenies?
JMO.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I know we once had a list of previous calls to the adress, because I remember the scramble to figure out what the codes meant. One was STOVEH, for stolen vehicle...if we're lucky, someone has that link saved. There were numerous calls IIRC.
JMO.

Calls For Service Summary
http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547

[steffaroob4]

I don't understand why Cindy's work didn't answer. She was in Home Health and even if the office closed at 4pm, they would roll the phone over to an answering service - they would have an RN available 24/7 for calls.

Edit: do we know for sure no one answered at Cindy's work? Did Casey leave a message to have Cindy call her?

I know why she didn't answer casey's calls.

[Ckrdpast]

Just thought of something. Wonder whether the video monitoring installed in the home was the Anthony's doing or LE's?


it was definately the anthony's---they could have saved some money and just clicked on the web cam---but hey---they gotta trust to cover that expense

[Rayosunshine]

Casey was hardly an innocent victim.. I think she and her mother fed off one another. I think both of them have a vicious temper as well.
I think that's why George spent so much time working in the yard and washing the cars.

And Casey had a good teacher, too.

[Joan Weiss]

Good night. :seeya:

[kakax]

Good night. :seeya:



Sleep well!:seeya:

[steffaroob4]

What what what!!!!!

I am so stupid, it fits right into my orignal theory. She was trying to get someone to watch Caylee so she could go out with Tony and grab a movie at BlockBuster.
Cindy wasn't answering, because she didn't want casey to dump Caylee on her again, after the fight Sunday. GA stated Casey would drop Caylee of at CA's work.

[Ckrdpast]

:seeya: nitey nite joanie

[kakax]

I am so stupid, it fits right into my orignal theory. She was trying to get someone to watch Caylee so she could go out with Tony and grab a movie at BlockBuster.
Cindy wasn't answering, because she didn't want casey to dump Caylee on her again, after the fight Sunday. GA stated Casey would drop Caylee of at CA's work.

OMG, that's it. I'm in with that theory, it makes perfect sense.

[Pruddennce]

I can't get George's audio interview. When I click it, all I get is music match, and....music. :confused:

hey joan, did you try this link, works for me:

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/27/audio_video_recordings_released_by_law_enforcement .html?refresh=1

also, maybe helpful for others, a link below the videos entitled Additional information for more transcripts.

originally released docs:

http://www.docstoc.com/search/casey-anthony-documents/

best regards,
Pru

best regards,
Pru

[kakax]

OMG, that's it. I'm in with that theory, it makes perfect sense.

She wasn't able to get Cindy for whatever reason (busy at work, wasn't going to take her phone calls, whatever)...so she decided to make sure that Caylee would sleep in the car with chloroform?

[OneUp]

Yeah .. that'll be a comfort.

A lovely pomegranate for you! ;)...mmmmm! A pomegranete! I love those...
I believe Lee will be best sutied to writing a book titled "101 things NOT to do when your loved one goes missing"...one can author a book from jail, right?
J/K. And JMO.

[Rayosunshine]

No, you are MOST correct! I would die a thousand deaths if that ever happened and feel really bad I ever thought they were being a snothead, lol. They're really good snotheads. :biggrin: (I AM joking! I'm just talking about the frustrations of raising teenagers) When my kids were of tender ages they walked on water to me even on their worst days.
I love my babies. The young ones and the old ones.

Ratched, every time you are frustrated with an issue of raising your teenagers, give thanks to God for being able to live the experience with them.

[steffaroob4]

OMG, that's it. I'm in with that theory, it makes perfect sense.

It does, because NONE of those other calls seem like she was seeking help, there is even a text message mixed in there to Tony, she was not in a panic, she was looking for a babysitter.
All those wasted weeks on that stupid theory of a flurry of calls. I still think she chloroformed Caylee that night and placed her in the car trunk.

[Pruddennce]

Unless there is more than one incedent that Casey said she'd be staying at the Hard Rock Hotel, the daye of that "conference" was June 18-20. Casey then told Cindy the conference was moved to Tampa on the 20th and she was staying at the Marriot Busch Gardens. She supposedly left Tampa on the 23rd when Zanny got into an accident and landed in the Tampa General Hospital with various injuries.
Cindy described these events to LE during her interview, and come h3ll or high water, LE will check it out and compare them to CC statements. Even if it takes a court order to get them from Cindy.

LE told Cindy Casey NEVER LEFT THE AREA per her cell phone records.

best regards,
Pru

[kakax]

I am so stupid, it fits right into my orignal theory. She was trying to get someone to watch Caylee so she could go out with Tony and grab a movie at BlockBuster.
Cindy wasn't answering, because she didn't want casey to dump Caylee on her again, after the fight Sunday. GA stated Casey would drop Caylee of at CA's work.

You think she would go out and check on her in the car if they had just been watching movies...a quick run to get her purse..a quick run to get her bag...add a little more chloroform to make sure she stayed asleep?

[shelbar53]

Goodnite all, and please have all this figured out by the morning. Graph charts and pie charts would be very helpful to me. oh and a clear and easy to read timeline. :biggrin:

[kakax]

It does, because NONE of those other calls seem like she was seeking help, there is even a text message mixed in there to Tony, she was not in a panic, she was looking for a babysitter.
All those wasted weeks on that stupid theory of a flurry of calls. I still think she chloroformed Caylee that night and placed her in the car trunk.

So really we need to be looking at the cellphone activity that next day and see what her movement was then. She would have found Caylee and realized oh chit, what do I do now....

[OneUp]

this the link?

http://www.ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=Policies%2F11.1.2CadCodes.pdf&tabid=233&mid=1812
That is the link to the codes...I think the list of the actual calls was found through the Sheriffs departments public records.

[Ckrdpast]

...mmmmm! A pomegranete! I love those...
I believe Lee will be best sutied to writing a book titled "101 things NOT to do when your loved one goes missing"...one can author a book from jail, right?
J/K. And JMO.


i got in trouble for a pomagrante once---mom painted the house and me and my bro-popped those seeds at each other---

george JAIL
cindy JAIL
lee JAIL

casey DP or LWOP

[kakax]

Goodnite all, and please have all this figured out by the morning. Graph charts and pie charts would be very helpful to me. oh and a clear and easy to read timeline. :biggrin:

ROFL Have a great night, sleep well. I'm not far behind you.

[steffaroob4]

She wasn't able to get Cindy for whatever reason (busy at work, wasn't going to take her phone calls, whatever)...so she decided to make sure that Caylee would sleep in the car with chloroform?

BINGO!!
That is what I think.

She must have found Caylee noresponsive early in the morning of the 17th. Then she tried to set up a fake drowning in the pool.
She takes baby out of trunk in blanket, lays her on ground. Gets some different clothes, since she was in clothes GA last saw her in. Starts to change her clothes by the swimming pool, the noticed the blood pooling and skin discloration and she can't use the accidental drowning story.
She borrows shovel from neighbor to bury her, starts digging hole in yard, but dogs start barking and she decides she better put her somewhere else. I believe she then leaves her in the car for at least one more night.

[OneUp]

Calls For Service Summary
http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547TY Cury-us...and thanks to shel, the codes are at our disposal as well. Just look upthread about ten +/- posts.

[Rayosunshine]

When this case goes to court, a whole bunch of skeletons are going to come rolling out of the closet.

[steffaroob4]

.BUT she tried George first. I doubt she could drop Caylee of with him at work.

No, GA called her at 3.

[kakax]

BINGO!!
That is what I think.

She must have found Caylee noresponsive early in the morning of the 17th. Then she tried to set up a fake drowning in the pool.
She takes baby out of trunk in blanket, lays her on ground. Gets some different clothes, since she was in clothes GA last saw her in. Starts to change her clothes by the swimming pool, the noticed the blood pooling and skin discloration and she can't use the accidental drowning story.
She borrows shovel from neighbor to bury her, starts digging hole in yard, but dogs start barking and she decides she better put her somewhere else. I believe she then leaves her in the car for at least one more night.

Go PM your theory to Yuri...I think its a very good theory.:beer:

[OneUp]

it was definately the anthony's---they could have saved some money and just clicked on the web cam---but hey---they gotta trust to cover that expense
:lol:
Just further evidence IMO, that money which one does not earn is easily squandered. Something which Casey knows well enough to give lessons in!
JMO.

[need2no]

IIRC one of her faves is "American Psycho" which I just saw sometime in the last month. I'll have to paraphrase something the main (psychopath) character said because I don't have complete recall but it chilled me to the bone. He said something to the effect of "You see me, you see a man of flesh and bone but there is really nothing there." I didn't do the phrase justice at all but it was alluding to the fact that to look at him and to know him superficially, you would think he was just the same as you and me, but in reality, he was an empty shell of a remorseless killer. AKA Casey Anthony, IMO.

Yes, Casey had this movie listed as her favorite.

'American Psycho' is NOT a slasher movie. It is a depiction, a fantasy if you will, of the life of modern man and his place in society.

Nothing is enough. Money, sex, social stature, there is always someone else who has more and everyone else expect from you to try harder for even more.

This movie is about eliminating competition the easy way. By killing your opponents. By eating your sexual partners. By destroying everyone around you.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0144084/


For anyone who hasn't seen this movie, check out this brief clip....start at about 1:48.

WARNING-very violent!

[kakax]

BINGO!!
That is what I think.

She must have found Caylee noresponsive early in the morning of the 17th. Then she tried to set up a fake drowning in the pool.
She takes baby out of trunk in blanket, lays her on ground. Gets some different clothes, since she was in clothes GA last saw her in. Starts to change her clothes by the swimming pool, the noticed the blood pooling and skin discloration and she can't use the accidental drowning story.
She borrows shovel from neighbor to bury her, starts digging hole in yard, but dogs start barking and she decides she better put her somewhere else. I believe she then leaves her in the car for at least one more night.

Weird depression in the ground next to pool...it all fits! Even moving the ladder.

[steffaroob4]

So really we need to be looking at the cellphone activity that next day and see what her movement was then. She would have found Caylee and realized oh chit, what do I do now....

Hey, gues what we just figured out...

Why CA would feel so guilty that she would NOT be able to accept the fact that Caylee is gone. She could be blaming herself, IF she didn't answer casey's calls that day.