Tuesday, Sept.30 Morning

[ccnsd]

Good morning to everyone, hopefully this will be Caylee's day of justice.

[cherish]

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Originally Posted by ccnsd View Post
After looking at this page, I noticed in the description block that the recent photo is dating 5/31/08. Isn't it the same photo supposedly taken on the 6/15/08 Fathers day? Anyone notice that or is it just me?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media...8/41844520.pdf
Could you please reference a page number? This document has 432 pages.

I think I've heard before that Cindy had corrected her statement on the date of that photo, (I have no link).

It's interesting how Cindy points out inconsistencies in everyone else s statements, yet she won't account for her own.

Cindy has accused both Amy and Jesse, while being well aware of Casey's lie after lie. How in the world can anybody be that gullible?

The sad thing is, I really think that Cindy is almost as crazy as Casey.

But that's JMHO
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[cherish]

Bringing over my late night posts:


On 6/19 Casey completed a leasing application at Cranes Landing Apts. It was never signed.

On 6/17 ZHG looked at Sawgrass Apts.

Could Casey have seen (or swiped) a lease application for ZG while she was at Cranes Landing Apts. I haven't leased an apartment in a long time but I suspect an application would include personal references like next of kin, type and color of vehicle, plate numbers.

Also, I think that there's more to the story of Anthony (Tony) Rusciano. (The cop who was fired, who appears to not like kids, and Casey's sex partner.)

Was Casey using him to run license plates and accident reports to back up her story?

I think that LE has a lot more unreleased information and is very close to a smoking gun.

Of course this is JMHO.

MOO

[cherish]

Bringing over my late night posts:


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Originally Posted by Lost One View Post
You bring up some very good questions. I do think there is more to that guy getting fired over lying about having sex with Casey than what has been reported. Something wrong there.


Seriously, you can't be fired for having a relationship. Though you can be fired for lying. So what did he lie about? He must have been at the very least covering something up.

And, we keep hearing more and more about Casey's other acquaintances, yet we've heard nothing more about him except for the crude text message exchanges between him and Casey.

This makes me have to wonder why?

Again. this is JMHO.

[callmetree]

:seeya:morning all. does anyone have the light the candle link? thanks:rose:

[GrannyB]

Light a Candle for Caylee


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

[enigma]

:seeya:morning all. does anyone have the light the candle link? thanks:rose:

Morning :seeya: This is one:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/...l=eng&gi=cayle (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle)

[enigma]

Sorry, GrannyB, must have posted at the same time... :seeya:

[GrannyB]

Sorry, GrannyB, must have posted at the same time... :seeya:

LOL happens all the time no biggie. Morning

[GrannyB]

I am thinking same thing.
I think that
Casey saw a woman come to sawgrass to view an apt, wrote down her plate # and description of her car, then passed that info to him, and he ran a check on it and gave that info to Casey. Cops can do this , but I dont think they're allowed to do it as a personal favor for friends. Maybe this is why he was fired? And possibly thats where Casey got the name ZFG?

This is only my own opinion.

In just don't Casey is the type person to plan anything far ahead. Too much work for her.

[Kathlb]

Bringing over my late night posts:


*respectful snip*

Also, I think that there's more to the story of Anthony (Tony) Rusciano. (The cop who was fired, who appears to not like kids, and Casey's sex partner.)

Was Casey using him to run license plates and accident reports to back up her story?

I think that LE has a lot more unreleased information and is very close to a smoking gun.

Of course this is JMHO.

MOO

Good early morning everyone. :-)
That's a really good thought concerning using Rusciano for her own purposes. It would also show a reason why he was so upset (other than sex not happening) at her since he may have suspected she used him and was more or less dumping him after she was finished with his usefulness. MOO

[GrannyB]

Didn't Casey say that Zanny had an accident and was hospitalized?
There must be accident report or hospital records somewhere
if it really happened. And may be able to prove that Zanny existed?. I didnt hear anything else about it. Is this just another one of Caseys lie?


Cindy told LE Casey told her it happened. I don't recall seeing in in Casey's transcript. You can bet it's probably a lie. Since Casey never left the area according to her phone records.

[callmetree]

Light a Candle for Caylee


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:seeya:thank u so much grannyb. try to light one every day.

[callmetree]

Morning :seeya: This is one:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/...l=eng&gi=cayle (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle)

thank you also enigma!!!:)

[enigma]

I am thinking same thing.
I think that
Casey saw a woman come to sawgrass to view an apt, wrote down her plate # and description of her car, then passed that info to him, and he ran a check on it and gave that info to Casey. Cops can do this , but I dont think they're allowed to do it as a personal favor for friends. Maybe this is why he was fired? And possibly thats where Casey got the name ZFG?

This is only my own opinion.

I think he would have been fired just for "associating" with Casey... IF he was on the Caylee Anthony case at the time. I thought he was, but please someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Interesting idea about Casey getting ZFG's name from Rusciano... But didn't I read somewhere that CA "met" ZFG through one of her friends/acquaintances? Not that I believe anything Casey says, but I'm not sure if it was confirmed by that person. Anyone know/remember?

[martha]

Good morning I guess there is nothing new today. I just ween a show a very young girl on heron with a little daughter. now this young girl is very pretty and you could not tell she did drugs. she is 5 months preg and she was tellig her story. Make me wonder if casey is on something like that. You could not tell the girl was preg. very slim. She did not act like aomeone on drugs. I think casey may have a drug prob.jmho:rose:

[enigma]

thank you also enigma!!!:)

Very welcome!

[GrannyB]

I think he would have been fired just for "associating" with Casey... IF he was on the Caylee Anthony case at the time. I thought he was, but please someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Interesting idea about Casey getting ZFG's name from Rusciano... But didn't I read somewhere that CA "met" ZFG through one of her friends/acquaintances? Not that I believe anything Casey says, but I'm not sure if it was confirmed by that person. Anyone know/remember?

He was fired because he lied about his association with Casey. I don't know if he was on the case or not but he was asked and he lied. So he was fired. Casey talked about a Zanny back in 2006 with Jesse and his dad. I believe she said at some time she met her thru someone at Universal.

[n/t]

Didn't Casey say that Zanny had an accident and was hospitalized?
There must be accident report or hospital records somewhere
if it really happened. And may be able to prove that Zanny existed?. I didnt hear anything else about it. Is this just another one of Caseys lie?

Casey apparently told Cindy. It's in the Cindy interviews Part 2. Cindy even told the detective what hospital she was at. Zanny apparently had a concussion.

Of course LE checked it out and I'm sure they discovered that it was all BS and once again time wasted checking out Casey or Cindy's lies.


Morning all.

[GrannyB]

Good morning I guess there is nothing new today. I just ween a show a very young girl on heron with a little daughter. now this young girl is very pretty and you could not tell she did drugs. she is 5 months preg and she was tellig her story. Make me wonder if casey is on something like that. You could not tell the girl was preg. very slim. She did not act like aomeone on drugs. I think casey may have a drug prob.jmho:rose:

Good morning Martha. Casey doesn't look like someone on drugs to me but you can never tell. I know they did a drug test on her they just haven't released the results to us yet. Sad to say but it looks like the whole family has serious problems. Poor little Caylee. She never had a chance to grow up and choose the kind of life she wanted.

[GrannyB]

Casey apparently told Cindy. It's in the Cindy interviews Part 2. Cindy even told the detective what hospital she was at. Zanny apparently had a concussion.

Of course LE checked it out and I'm sure they discovered that it was all BS and once again time wasted checking out Casey or Cindy's lies.


Morning all.

Can someone tell me how ng got from concussion to head or skull split open. Did I miss something?

[n/t]

I'm guessing nothing new on Nancy Grace. I was going to watch but when I read on the board that Leonard was there, I didn't bother. I can't believe they still have him on the show.

Sadly, I think this case will slowly fade without any new developments.

[Kathlb]

Brought over from last night's thread...

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Odd that site keeps going in and out today. Looks like they're aren't many gullible people around eager to throw their money at G & C.

Not much money involved (that we can see anyway).
Odd indeed. So I Googled helpfindcaylee.com/help & the first listed link is the same as what's posted here.

I click on it & it brings me to Usual Beings social networking site. Again.

And yes... not much money involved. That we know of.

Remember... Lee asked for donations saying that he would put the money into the trust fund himself.

I posted last night but no one commented so I'll throw it out there again. LOL The figures given are merely what is in each now. It doesn't reflect any money that was there and removed. In Paypal's case however, there is a record of transactions that you can't remove showing your history with the money. ie... taken in and also pulled out into your bank account. So if need be, someone in authority can supoena the Paypal records of Lee's account and see exactly a history of who donated, when and if he removed it to his bank account.

[n/t]

Can someone tell me how ng got from concussion to head or skull split open. Did I miss something?

Not sure where NG got skull split open. IIRC, in the interview, Cindy mentioned that "Zanny" was bleeding from the head and had a concussion. I don't recall her head or skull was split open.

[GrannyB]

Not sure where NG got skull split open. IIRC, in the interview, Cindy mentioned that "Zanny" was bleeding from the head and had a concussion. I don't recall her head or skull was split open.

I think I need a secretary to keep all this straight. No one tells the same story twice. Except Jesse and his dad.

[GrannyB]

Brought over from last night's thread...



I posted last night but no one commented so I'll throw it out there again. LOL The figures given are merely what is in each now. It doesn't reflect any money that was there and removed. In Paypal's case however, there is a record of transactions that you can't remove showing your history with the money. ie... taken in and also pulled out into your bank account. So if need be, someone in authority can supoena the Paypal records of Lee's account and see exactly a history of who donated, when and if he removed it to his bank account.

I sure hope they keep on checking it out for fraud. No one in that family is working. They have to need money.

[spageddy]

Good Morning All.
I've been lurking and reading a lot lately. Not posting so much. I also have this other life to catch up on- Mine! lol
Sadly, NT, I agree with you that this case will slowly fade away. Become sorta like Natalee Holloway- everyone knows - but no real justice. That makes me sad. So I keep on hoping that LE has lots more than we know.
I was very surprised to read all the messages between CA & the fired cop. It DOES sound- as others have pointed out- that there's a lot there...
Lets keep on hoping & praying and beleiving that LE is moving their feet.

I'm typing faster than I can think because I hafta go to work soon- so please forgive me if I'm babbling or typo-ing .
Really, really gotta go. You folks are the Best. keep it up.

And oh yeah- everything is MOO and JMO -Bye

[enigma]

Good morning I guess there is nothing new today. I just ween a show a very young girl on heron with a little daughter. now this young girl is very pretty and you could not tell she did drugs. she is 5 months preg and she was tellig her story. Make me wonder if casey is on something like that. You could not tell the girl was preg. very slim. She did not act like aomeone on drugs. I think casey may have a drug prob.jmho:rose:

I think you're right. In her interview transcript, Amy H is quoted as saying that Casey told her she was "smoking more pot"... and I'm sure I read somewhere in the latest lot of released docs that she made a comment to someone about Annie bringing some xanny and "it should be fun". I'll try to find it, but can't guarantee success. The only thing I can promise is that I didn't imagine it.

ETA: I think Casey's biggest "problem" was Caylee and she did something about it... :flamemad:

JMHO...

[MyrDawn]

I am thinking same thing.
I think that
Casey saw a woman come to sawgrass to view an apt, wrote down her plate # and description of her car, then passed that info to him, and he ran a check on it and gave that info to Casey. Cops can do this , but I dont think they're allowed to do it as a personal favor for friends. Maybe this is why he was fired? And possibly thats where Casey got the name ZFG?

This is only my own opinion.

I have no reason to believe the LE lied about why Rusciano was fired.
He lied twice about their relationship until he was confronted with the computer records that proved the two had been communicating. Deputy Rusciano was still a probationary employee, so he was fired for lying on August 22.
http://www.wftv.com/news/17303050/detail.html

"This is something we will not tolerate under any circumstances or any case especially a case that has national implications. We're talking about a situation where we're expending many man hours," said Capt. Angelo Nieves, Orange County Sheriff's Office.

[linspar]

Didn't Casey say that Zanny had an accident and was hospitalized?
There must be accident report or hospital records somewhere
if it really happened. And may be able to prove that Zanny existed?. I didnt hear anything else about it. Is this just another one of Caseys lie?

A detective on NG last nite stated that Tampa General had no record of Zany and Raquel ever being treated there on that day. Casey's elaborate story concocted for her mother, so that she could stay out and party overnite without going home.

[enigma]

I sure hope they keep on checking it out for fraud. No one in that family is working. They have to need money.

Good point. Between all the bail money and all the living expenses and not working... Not that their finances are any of my business, but they can only live for so long on savings, no?

I recall bracelets and t-shirts and other paraphenalia being sold on ebay with profits supposedly going to the Find Caylee fund... I wonder how much merchandise was sold... I don't think there's a way of drilling down to that sort of detail on ebay with any accuracy, but I'd be more than happy if I'm wrong.

JMHO...

[GrannyB]

I think you're right. In her interview transcript, Amy H is quoted as saying that Casey told her she was "smoking more pot"... and I'm sure I read somewhere in the latest lot of released docs that she made a comment to someone about Annie bringing some xanny and "it should be fun". I'll try to find it, but can't guarantee success. The only thing I can promise is that I didn't imagine it.

ETA: I think Casey's biggest "problem" was Caylee and she did something about it... :flamemad:

JMHO...

I don't see where Casey had a problem with Caylee. Her parents supplied fnancially for Caylee, they babysat anytime Casey wanted. If they didn't babysit she took her with her. I haven't heard any of her friends say she complained about Caylee. Where was the problem?

[GrannyB]

Good point. Between all the bail money and all the living expenses and not working... Not that their finances are any of my business, but they can only live for so long on savings, no?

I recall bracelets and t-shirts and other paraphenalia being sold on ebay with profits supposedly going to the Find Caylee fund... I wonder how much merchandise was sold... I don't think there's a way of drilling down to that sort of detail on ebay with any accuracy, but I'd be more than happy if I'm wrong.

JMHO...

And George is standing in a parking lot selling those same items. That money can't be accounted for. Unless someone gives him a check and he deposits it instead of just cashing it. I wonder who the Anthony's are going to sue when no one hires them?

[MyrDawn]

I sure hope they keep on checking it out for fraud. No one in that family is working. They have to need money.

I heard on Nancy Grace one night last week that George is working again. A security job. I can't remember which night it was that I heard that, though.
JMO

Found it:
Sept. 23rd:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/23/ng.01.html
Natisha Lance: Well, what we`re hearing, Nancy, is that George Anthony has gone back to work. He`s working security at nights over at Disney. Cindy Anthony, as we know from before, was on disability leave from her job for a period of time, I guess, until this is resolved.

[enigma]

He was fired because he lied about his association with Casey. I don't know if he was on the case or not but he was asked and he lied. So he was fired. Casey talked about a Zanny back in 2006 with Jesse and his dad. I believe she said at some time she met her thru someone at Universal.

That's it - someone at Universal! Thank you, GrannyB!

And about Rusciano, exactly! He was fired because he lied about knowing/associating with Casey. Great memory!

I've read so much on this case and have saved so many links in my Favs that I'm now getting lost in the forest... LOL

[SavannahStar]

I don't see where Casey had a problem with Caylee. Her parents supplied fnancially for Caylee, they babysat anytime Casey wanted. If they didn't babysit she took her with her. I haven't heard any of her friends say she complained about Caylee. Where was the problem?


We agree totally on this, Granny. There WAS no problem, period.

[KimD]

Does anyone know when Cindy came up with the date of June 9th as the last known date to have seen Caylee? The reason I ask is that something in her mother's statement stood out to me. I will preface this by saying that I don't think Cindy or George knew what happened to Caylee at the time of the 911 call. I'm still debating whether they "know" now and are covering up.

Back to my question. Everyone had the June 9th date as the last date to see Caylee until they were corrected. Cindy's mother, Shirley, said that after Cindy and Caylee visited her husband in the nursing home, they came to her house for chili. She then made a comment that she would have sworn to anyone that it was on the 9th and only realized it was the 15th when it was brought to her attention (or something like that). It just really, really struck me as strange that she said that... almost like Cindy had coached her to say the 9th?? Not that she would intentionally lie but maybe it was coached to her without her realizing it. I can see one person being off on the date but everyone, including her elderly mother, when the date was actually on a holiday. If my child/grandchild was missing, I would damn well know when the last time I saw them was. I don't know... I just found it rather odd.

[GrannyB]

That's it - someone at Universal! Thank you, GrannyB!

And about Rusciano, exactly! He was fired because he lied about knowing/associating with Casey. Great memory!

I've read so much on this case and have saved so many links in my Favs that I'm now getting lost in the forest... LOL

Same here. I I want a link it takes forever to find it and then the board is 5 pages ahead and I never catch up.

[ellegna]

I have no reason to believe the LE lied about why Rusciano was fired.
He lied twice about their relationship until he was confronted with the computer records that proved the two had been communicating. Deputy Rusciano was still a probationary employee, so he was fired for lying on August 22.
http://www.wftv.com/news/17303050/detail.html

"This is something we will not tolerate under any circumstances or any case especially a case that has national implications. We're talking about a situation where we're expending many man hours," said Capt. Angelo Nieves, Orange County Sheriff's Office.

Good morning all :seeya:

I don't believe LE lied why they fired Rusciano. I'm more interested why Rusciano risked losing his job lying about his relationship with Casey?

[GrannyB]

Does anyone know when Cindy came up with the date of June 8th as the last known date to have seen Caylee? The reason I ask is that something in her mother's statement stood out to me. I will preface this by saying that I don't think Cindy or George knew what happened to Caylee at the time of the 911 call. I'm still debating whether they "know" now and are covering up.

Back to my question. Everyone had the June 9th date as the last date to see Caylee until they were corrected. Cindy's mother, Shirley, said that after Cindy and Caylee visited her husband in the nursing home, they came to her house for chili. She then made a comment that she would have sworn to anyone that it was on the 9th and only realized it was the 15th when it was brought to her attention (or something like that). It just really, really struck me as strange that she said that... almost like Cindy had coached her to say the 9th?? Not that she would intentionally lie but maybe it was coached to her without her realizing it. I can see one person being off on the date but everyone, including her elderly mother, when the date was actually on a holiday. If my child/grandchild was missing, I would damn well know when the last time I saw them was. I don't know... I just found it rather odd.

I bet Cindy wishes everyone had kept to the script she gave them as well as they did on the wrong date of the 9th.:D

[desmom]

Good Morning!

If Casey would have swiped a rental application, wouldn't her info about ZFG more exact? She said ZFG did not have children, ZG has children. She also had the wrong make of car, wrong age and weight description.

I have no idea how Casey came up with the name Zaniada. IIRC, Casey took pics at Universal. Maybe she took the woman's pic at Universal or ran into her in at a club. I found quite a few Zaniada/Zanita's in the central FL on myspace. Maybe Casey ran across the name while sending shout outs about Fusians. Casey has a making up people as she. IMO, somewhere she has ran across the name Zaniada and it stuck with her.

IMO, the cop was fired because LE flat out asked him about his relationship with Casey and he said he met her at a party end of story. Further investigation, LE were able to establish their relationship was more than they met at a party. What kind of a witness would he make in future cases?


jmo

[SavannahStar]

I'm guessing nothing new on Nancy Grace. I was going to watch but when I read on the board that Leonard was there, I didn't bother. I can't believe they still have him on the show.

Sadly, I think this case will slowly fade without any new developments.


I disagree. Well let me clarify: IF this case slowly fades without new developments, then I believe LE hasn't got a case at all, despite all the "leaks" and stuff. Which I DON'T believe. Did you read the news article yesterday (I didn't save it), something to the effect that (as we've said on here), this case is taking a long time because it is much harder to prove a case w/o a body. One of the people (detective or sheriff?) said this was the MOST difficult case he's ever had in 16 years. As I have said: this is NOT A SIMPLE CASE!!!!!!

But I sure don't think it's going away, not anytime soon. I predict we'll have a BIG break and an arrest....either that or they really DON'T have anything to prove Casey harmed Caylee.

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning to everyone, hopefully this will be Caylee's day of justice.


Day 106 Where is Caylee?

Could we please remember to put the days missing in the title of the thread?????


Good morning everyone.

[GrannyB]

I disagree. Well let me clarify: IF this case slowly fades without new developments, then I believe LE hasn't got a case at all, despite all the "leaks" and stuff. Which I DON'T believe. Did you read the news article yesterday (I didn't save it), something to the effect that (as we've said on here), this case is taking a long time because it is much harder to prove a case w/o a body. One of the people (detective or sheriff?) said this was the MOST difficult case he's ever had in 16 years. As I have said: this is NOT A SIMPLE CASE!!!!!!

But I sure don't think it's going away, not anytime soon. I predict we'll have a BIG break and an arrest....either that or they really DON'T have anything to prove Casey harmed Caylee.

I think they have what they need to prove Caylee is no longer with us. What they need is proof of who did it. Too many lies in this case from all the parties who could be the person. And I'm betting they are as suspicious of Cindy as I am.

[MyrDawn]

I disagree. Well let me clarify: IF this case slowly fades without new developments, then I believe LE hasn't got a case at all, despite all the "leaks" and stuff. Which I DON'T believe. Did you read the news article yesterday (I didn't save it), something to the effect that (as we've said on here), this case is taking a long time because it is much harder to prove a case w/o a body. One of the people (detective or sheriff?) said this was the MOST difficult case he's ever had in 16 years. As I have said: this is NOT A SIMPLE CASE!!!!!!

But I sure don't think it's going away, not anytime soon. I predict we'll have a BIG break and an arrest....either that or they really DON'T have anything to prove Casey harmed Caylee.

ITA. What Sheriff Beary said only reinforces my belief this case is nowhere near being in danger of fading away.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7538603&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

"Sheriff Beary says they are waiting for a few pieces of evidence to come back from the FBI. He says that just doesn't happen over night. He also said they are being so careful right now because they are afraid to make a mistake since detectives may someday have to work a homicide case without a body. "

[desmom]

Can someone tell me how ng got from concussion to head or skull split open. Did I miss something?

Cindy said Casey said Zanny was going to be released the next day, but she started vomiting and having blackouts the next day. It was then the hospital found a large laceration behind the ear that required stitches.

Excuse me...I don't buy that story and I can't believe Cindy being a nurse bought that story either. IMO, the large laceration behind the ear that required stitches would have been bleeding at some point. The paramedics would have discovered the laceration when they did a head-to-toe assessment and stabilized Zanny for the hospital ride. It would have also been documented in their paper work. The hospital would have also discovered it while doing their assessment.

jmo

[Ladyhawk]

Somehow I missed this....on the same day she wrote her myspace...did she just look around or did she speak to someone there and discover that Casey didn't work there?

"On July 3, Cindy Anthony went to Universal Studios hoping she could find Caylee. But she had no luck."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2708sep27,0,7275812.story?page=2

[GrannyB]

Cindy said Casey said Zanny was going to be released the next day, but she started vomiting and having blackouts the next day. It was then the hospital found a large laceration behind the ear that required stitches.

Excuse me...I don't buy that story and I can't believe Cindy being a nurse bought that story either. IMO, the large laceration behind the ear that required stitches would have been bleeding at some point. The paramedics would have discovered the laceration when they did a head-to-toe assessment and stabilized Zanny for the hospital ride. It would have also been documented in their paper work. The hospital would have also discovered it while doing their assessment.

jmo

So ng just fell for it. I never dreamed anybody would. Too many lies in this case. I guess it would be easy to miss one.

[~jomomma~]

i'm sorry to ask but what was the date of this supposed accident?

i can't remember :o

[GrannyB]

Cindy said Casey said Zanny was going to be released the next day, but she started vomiting and having blackouts the next day. It was then the hospital found a large laceration behind the ear that required stitches.

Excuse me...I don't buy that story and I can't believe Cindy being a nurse bought that story either. IMO, the large laceration behind the ear that required stitches would have been bleeding at some point. The paramedics would have discovered the laceration when they did a head-to-toe assessment and stabilized Zanny for the hospital ride. It would have also been documented in their paper work. The hospital would have also discovered it while doing their assessment.

jmo

It might have been in the imaginary paper work. They haven't released it yet.:rolleyes:

[msgatorslayer]

You got that right. And when she was caught back in town it was when she went back to get Zanny's insurance papers. I just bet Casey never took Caylee so many places till she was missing........SAD!

Morning, all.

Her lies are so extreme. And when caught, she just spins more. She's such a wonderful friend. Driving back to Orlando for Zanny's insurance card. Like the hospital wouldn't treat the Zanny w/o them. Casey saves the day!!!:rolleyes:

ER's must be one of her favorite lies when she needs to get out of something. She's given her own Dad a stroke. Don't knock me for saying it, but I wonder how many times her Grama has died.

[desmom]

Somehow I missed this....on the same day she wrote her myspace...did she just look around or did she speak to someone there and discover that Casey didn't work there?

"On July 3, Cindy Anthony went to Universal Studios hoping she could find Caylee. But she had no luck."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2708sep27,0,7275812.story?page=2


From your link:

"I know my daughter is not leveling with me," George Anthony said.

Ya think!

[n/t]

I disagree. Well let me clarify: IF this case slowly fades without new developments, then I believe LE hasn't got a case at all, despite all the "leaks" and stuff. Which I DON'T believe. Did you read the news article yesterday (I didn't save it), something to the effect that (as we've said on here), this case is taking a long time because it is much harder to prove a case w/o a body. One of the people (detective or sheriff?) said this was the MOST difficult case he's ever had in 16 years. As I have said: this is NOT A SIMPLE CASE!!!!!!

But I sure don't think it's going away, not anytime soon. I predict we'll have a BIG break and an arrest....either that or they really DON'T have anything to prove Casey harmed Caylee.


I meant fade away in the media and public interest. We've already seen a drop in posts right here on this forum and Fox (Greta) from what I understand is no longer covering the case. Is Geraldo still on it? From what I understand, Nancy Grace is the only one and then we have the local stations.

I haven't seen anymore protests.....etc etc etc.

[Regina.Lampert]

We agree totally on this, Granny. There WAS no problem, period.

IMO, the major problem was that casey anthony wanted to play house with Anthony Lazarro, day and night. Caylee was an obstacle to that desire, so she had to go.

IMO, cynthia was not going to stand for the princess leaving Caylee with them, while she overnighted with a man she never even met.

In other words, Caylee became a problem and weight around this odious creatures neck so she made a plan and then acted on it. IMO.

[BJames]

Thanks Regina...yes, 106 days...where the heck is this baby?

[desmom]

i'm sorry to ask but what was the date of this supposed accident?

i can't remember :o


June 23.......but I am not positive.

[enigma]

And George is standing in a parking lot selling those same items. That money can't be accounted for. Unless someone gives him a check and he deposits it instead of just cashing it. I wonder who the Anthony's are going to sue when no one hires them?

Oh, don't worry - they'll find someone. Joe Public sounds good... and I don't mean the band :)

You know, GA is the only one I feel kinda sorry for. I don't know why, maybe it's because he seems to be so firmly pinned under his wife's thumb. It just seems to me that he's on his own, somehow, that he's at the mercy of two prize.. uhm... individuals, one of whom has always controlled what he does and how he does it, and the other who has been brought up to do the same. But that's just my personal impression from what I've seen/read...

Needless to say, Caylee is the only innocent and true victim in all this. :rose: But I believe she is in a much better place, because I don't think she ever had much of a chance at all to grow into a happy, healthy, well-adjusted woman in that toxic environment, if she had survived it in the first place. She didn't, and I believe God knew exactly what He was doing and why, when He took her away from it.

JMHO...

[~jomomma~]

June 23.......but I am not positive.

thank you desmom :seeya:

[GrannyB]

IMO, the major problem was that casey anthony wanted to play house with Anthony Lazarro, day and night. Caylee was an obstacle to that desire, so she had to go.

IMO, cynthia was not going to stand for the princess leaving Caylee with them, while she overnighted with a man she never even met.

In other words, Caylee became a problem and weight around this odious creatures neck so she made a plan and then acted on it. IMO.

I'd buy that if anyone but the Anthony's. Casey could walk out the door and go where she pleased do what she wanted and what was Cindy going to do? Throw Caylee away if Casey left her there? And Casey knew this.

[GrannyB]

Yes and they have such a large window of time to work with which is not usually the case. Usually people know when their kid goes missing. And then you don't just have the suspect trying to send you on a bunch of wild goose chases and stall for time, you also have the grandmother doing so also. And then the list of characters real or not you still have to check them out. JUST INSANE!! They probably have too much info in this case. Plus they said the FBI is triple checking everything.......without a body any kind of evidence pointing to her being deceased has to be checked beyond what is normally done.

They do have a lot of info. What they need is just a little truth.

[desmom]

Morning, all.

Her lies are so extreme. And when caught, she just spins more. She's such a wonderful friend. Driving back to Orlando for Zanny's insurance card. Like the hospital wouldn't treat the Zanny w/o them. Casey saves the day!!!:rolleyes:

ER's must be one of her favorite lies when she needs to get out of something. She's given her own Dad a stroke. Don't knock me for saying it, but I wonder how many times her Grama has died.

Msgator, you and I are on the same page. Casey loved to play the sympathy card.

Caylee's Daddy died in a car accident, Caylee's Daddy died in a car accident while he was driving to Caylee's lst birthday party. George had a mini stroke. Zanny was in a wreck. And let's not forget the "drammmmaa" at the house with her parents "marital problems".

jmo

[msgatorslayer]

Somehow I missed this....on the same day she wrote her myspace...did she just look around or did she speak to someone there and discover that Casey didn't work there?

"On July 3, Cindy Anthony went to Universal Studios hoping she could find Caylee. But she had no luck."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2708sep27,0,7275812.story?page=2

Casey must have told her the Zanny had Caylee there for the day while she was working, lmao. I don't know how Cindy thought she'd find Caylee with all the people there. Impossible. She had to have asked to speak to someone in charge and look for her Daughter, first. IMO.

[GrannyB]

Oh, don't worry - they'll find someone. Joe Public sounds good... and I don't mean the band :)

You know, GA is the only one I feel kinda sorry for. I don't know why, maybe it's because he seems to be so firmly pinned under his wife's thumb. It just seems to me that he's on his own, somehow, that he's at the mercy of two prize.. uhm... individuals, one of whom has always controlled what he does and how he does it, and the other who has been brought up to do the same. But that's just my personal impression from what I've seen/read...

Needless to say, Caylee is the only innocent and true victim in all this. :rose: But I believe she is in a much better place, because I don't think she ever had much of a chance at all to grow into a happy, healthy, well-adjusted woman in that toxic environment, if she had survived it in the first place. She didn't, and I believe God knew exactly what He was doing and why, when He took her away from it.

JMHO...

I do believe this is true. She's happier than any of us right now.

[linspar]

i'm sorry to ask but what was the date of this supposed accident?

i can't remember :o

IIRC. June 23rd/ June 24th ( gas can day )

[SavannahStar]

I'd buy that if anyone but the Anthony's. Casey could walk out the door and go where she pleased do what she wanted and what was Cindy going to do? Throw Caylee away if Casey left her there? And Casey knew this.

Agree with you there as well, and disagree with Regina.

NOT that a motive is needed, as we all know, but I have NEVER seen a motive for Casey to murder Caylee. Not one iota of a motive.

But I do believe Casey killed Caylee, of that I have almost no doubt whatsoever. "No motive" is just one of many reasons, however, that I am still convinced of an accidental death.

[GrannyB]

I agree and Toni was different than her other BF`s that were cops and probably not into the clubs. Toni work the clubs and Cindy could not exactly take Caylee along bar hopping. It sounded like Casey was one of those girls who brings a UHaul to the second date. She wanted out of her moms and was going to use Toni to do that. Caylee never fit into the pic.

If that is the case why didn't she just leave Caylee there? She's apparently always done what she wanted.

[SavannahStar]

I agree and Toni was different than her other BF`s that were cops and probably not into the clubs. Toni work the clubs and Cindy could not exactly take Caylee along bar hopping. It sounded like Casey was one of those girls who brings a UHaul to the second date. She wanted out of her moms and was going to use Toni to do that. Caylee never fit into the pic.


"one of those girls who brings a UHaul to the second date".....:lol: That's hysterical, that's a good one. :lol:

[cathiesblogs]

It is my impression that Casey wasn't taught morals..after watching how Cindy seems to so easily lie herself..I'm sure this was a pretty common thing in this family..scary to see the coldness in Casey's eyes..even a total nutcase loves their child !!..this Casey seems more demonic to me ! ..this case is a good example to everyone to instill "MORALS" in your children !

[GrannyB]

Agree with you there as well, and disagree with Regina.

NOT that a motive is needed, as we all know, but I have NEVER seen a motive for Casey to murder Caylee. Not one iota of a motive.

But I do believe Casey killed Caylee, of that I have almost no doubt whatsoever. "No motive" is just one of many reasons, however, that I am still convinced of an accidental death.

LOL I think that's the only thing we disagree on. Who did it and I'm still saying it was an accident also. If Cindy loved Caylee as much as most say she does Casey knew Caylee was her meal ticket. She'd been stealing from Cindy long enough she knew she could continue. It would be interesting to know when they've had other fights did she leave with or without Caylee.

[bluwaters]

Please light a Candle for Caylee


click any unlit candle to begin


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:

[GrannyB]

It is my impression that Casey wasn't taught morals..after watching how Cindy seems to so easily lie herself..I'm sure this was a pretty common thing in this family..scary to see the coldness in Casey's eyes..even a total nutcase loves their child !!..this Casey seems more demonic to me ! ..this case is a good example to everyone to instill "MORALS" in your children !

What about Casey makes you say that. I'm really curious.

[Ladyhawk]

Msgator, you and I are on the same page. Casey loved to play the sympathy card.

Caylee's Daddy died in a car accident, Caylee's Daddy died in a car accident while he was driving to Caylee's lst birthday party. George had a mini stroke. Zanny was in a wreck. And let's not forget the "drammmmaa" at the house with her parents "marital problems".

jmo

Yes, the sympathy card. That's what bothers me about accidental death. She would have garnered so much sympathy from everyone if Caylee had met with a real accident and she had reported it immediately.

[Regina.Lampert]

I'd buy that if anyone but the Anthony's. Casey could walk out the door and go where she pleased do what she wanted and what was Cindy going to do? Throw Caylee away if Casey left her there? And Casey knew this.

Think about it Granny, if what you say was even remotely true, casey would not have this elaborate life of lies and Caylee would still be alive. The fact is casey anthony was expected to work and expected to lead a normal life of a young mother by the anthonys. Which did not include slutting around with men overnight, with or without Caylee. cynthia's rules, remember.

[GrannyB]

Yes I think you are right. But that would probably not be the case if she was really abducted. That is why I find it so hard to beleive that Cindy could behave the way she is if she really thought Caylee was alive and out there going through God only knows what kind of torture.


That's a good point. On the other hand if they knew who had her (say one of them set this up) she wouldn't think of that. When I try to be opened minded about it and consider it I can't imagine what Caylee is thinking after not seeing her mother and gp for so long. Still I don't think it did happen.

[msgatorslayer]

If that is the case why didn't she just leave Caylee there? She's apparently always done what she wanted.

She doesn't want Caylee but she doesn't want anyone else to have her. Caylee has been a pawn between the women since she's been born. Casey didn't even hold her Daughter first when she was born. Her Mom did.

Casey knows that Cindy loves her little girl. She's jealous of that relationship. Listen to her in her LE interview. She throws in there how Caylee would have cried had she heard her Mom's voice.

I think what we are seeing is very similar to a divorce situation between spouses. The child is the pawn. And children have been killed by one parent to prevent the other from having custody.

[GrannyB]

Think about it Granny, if what you say was even remotely true, casey would not have this elaborate life of lies and Caylee would still be alive. The fact is casey anthony was expected to work and expected to lead a normal life of a young mother by the anthonys. Which did not include slutting around with men overnight, with or without Caylee. cynthia's rules, remember.


I think Casey was doing exactly what was expected of her. Letting her do what she did was Cindy's way to control her. And Cindy and George lie just as much as Casey. What we don't know for a fact is who thought up this bunch of lies.

As far as Cindy's rules go she had no intention of anyone coming into Casey's life and interfering with her control. I bet she could tell Jesse wasn't going to put up with her bs.

[GrannyB]

That's funny Granny. You know I asked the other night if maybe the Anthonys could sue themselves when they realize no one will hire them after this.

If they did sue themselves then end up with same thing they have now....nothing. And imo that's more than they deserve.

[Ladyhawk]

Casey must have told her the Zanny had Caylee there for the day while she was working, lmao. I don't know how Cindy thought she'd find Caylee with all the people there. Impossible. She had to have asked to speak to someone in charge and look for her Daughter, first. IMO.


Comparing that with the "no job" she wrote on the 7-3 myspace seems to indicate Cindy found out that Casey didn't work there. What a shock that must have been for her.

[GrannyB]

She doesn't want Caylee but she doesn't want anyone else to have her. Caylee has been a pawn between the women since she's been born. Casey didn't even hold her Daughter first when she was born. Her Mom did.

Casey knows that Cindy loves her little girl. She's jealous of that relationship. Listen to her in her LE interview. She throws in there how Caylee would have cried had she heard her Mom's voice.

I think what we are seeing is very similar to a divorce situation between spouses. The child is the pawn. And children have been killed by one parent to prevent the other from having custody.

We've never heard Casey say anything about who held Caylee first. Just Cindy, George and Lee. If Cindy was in the delivery room instead of the father, they would have handed the baby to her while they were tending to Casey. I think we are seeing what Cindy wants us to see and I'm not buying.
Casey is far from perfect but I don't see proof she would or did harm Caylee. Yet, I'm still watching for it though.

[Regina.Lampert]

Agree with you there as well, and disagree with Regina.

NOT that a motive is needed, as we all know, but I have NEVER seen a motive for Casey to murder Caylee. Not one iota of a motive.

But I do believe Casey killed Caylee, of that I have almost no doubt whatsoever. "No motive" is just one of many reasons, however, that I am still convinced of an accidental death.


:eek:.....heheheh!

A motive is not a requirement, tho jurys like one, or rather they want to know the "why"....I believe the prosecutor will build on this:


Some of the exchanges also deal with Anthony's frustration over dealing with her daughter and on "having to rely on other people," the messages show. "Seriously, spending the day with caylee [sic], is 10 times more exhausting, than working a 12-hour event," she writes to Rusciano.

In one message, Anthony referred to Caylee as "the little snot head" and stated she wanted to drop the toddler off at the baby sitter's apartment so she could spend time with Rusciano.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2708sep27,0,7275812.story?page=1

Thanks to LadyHawk for the link.

[spiritwolf46]

ITA. What Sheriff Beary said only reinforces my belief this case is nowhere near being in danger of fading away.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7538603&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

"Sheriff Beary says they are waiting for a few pieces of evidence to come back from the FBI. He says that just doesn't happen over night. He also said they are being so careful right now because they are afraid to make a mistake since detectives may someday have to work a homicide case without a body. "

Morning all.

THANK you for the MyrD. I completely agree with you. I think that once they have evey type of DNA they can get on the samples they have, an arrest will come down. I think they are being extremely smart in this case. They are covering every thing that they have.

[shelbar53]

Somehow I missed this....on the same day she wrote her myspace...did she just look around or did she speak to someone there and discover that Casey didn't work there?

"On July 3, Cindy Anthony went to Universal Studios hoping she could find Caylee. But she had no luck."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2708sep27,0,7275812.story?page=2

Good morning all. Good pick up on that July 3rd date. I dont remember seeing that before. Did she go to an office and say my daughter works here, where is her office? Exactely how did she look for caylee? Is that when she found out casey didnt work them...or did she know that all along? confusing to me.

[GrannyB]

:eek:.....heheheh!

A motive is not a requirement, tho jurys like one, or rather they want to know the "why"....I believe the prosecutor will build on this:


Some of the exchanges also deal with Anthony's frustration over dealing with her daughter and on "having to rely on other people," the messages show. "Seriously, spending the day with caylee [sic], is 10 times more exhausting, than working a 12-hour event," she writes to Rusciano.

In one message, Anthony referred to Caylee as "the little snot head" and stated she wanted to drop the toddler off at the baby sitter's apartment so she could spend time with Rusciano.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2708sep27,0,7275812.story?page=1

Thanks to LadyHawk for the link.

They need way more than that to get a conviction. Since Casey lies constantly one could wonder if that wasn't said just to get what she wanted from him. Doesn't mean she did anything to Caylee.

[Danette44]

Good morning everyone - just listen to the news and it sure seems Casey is going to get away with this! The LE was on saying they have no proof of murder and can't arrest her. This is really a very sad case that a woman can be be caught in so much and still walk free! I had so much faith in the LE there and now, I don't know what to think.....JMOO

[shelbar53]

Grrrr, I cant find when I put the article on the 85 people on the witness list, does anyone have a link to that? Im still looking for it. thanks

[Kathlb]

I agree and Toni was different than her other BF`s that were cops and probably not into the clubs. Toni work the clubs and Cindy could not exactly take Caylee along bar hopping. It sounded like Casey was one of those girls who brings a UHaul to the second date. She wanted out of her moms and was going to use Toni to do that. Caylee never fit into the pic.

I would agree except for the searches for missing children sites way back in March. That blows my mind. To me this had been a plan for a long time and I just can't figure out why way back then. MOO

[GrannyB]

Good morning all. Good pick up on that July 3rd date. I dont remember seeing that before. Did she go to an office and say my daughter works here, where is her office? Exactely how did she look for caylee? Is that when she found out casey didnt work them...or did she know that all along? confusing to me.


So since Casey was fired Cindy has never tried to call her at work? You know, Casey doesn't answer cell phone so Cindy tries to call work number.Another one I'm not buying. To me, this looks more like Cindy is setting something up to cover herself not Casey. And this was on the 3rd. Yet she did nothing until the 15th.

[GrannyB]

Good morning everyone - just listen to the news and it sure seems Casey is going to get away with this! The LE was on saying they have no proof of murder and can't arrest her. This is really a very sad case that a woman can be be caught in so much and still walk free! I had so much faith in the LE there and now, I don't know what to think.....JMOO

Hang in there, don't give up. What LE says in public is not for the public it's for the Anthony's ears. I honestly believe LE knows what they are doing.

[shelbar53]

I found it, comments about the witness list, and watch casey walk..wow does she swing her hips or wha?

http://www.wesh.com/video/17584838/index.html

[Regina.Lampert]

I agree and Toni was different than her other BF`s that were cops and probably not into the clubs. Toni work the clubs and Cindy could not exactly take Caylee along bar hopping. It sounded like Casey was one of those girls who brings a UHaul to the second date. She wanted out of her moms and was going to use Toni to do that. Caylee never fit into the pic.

I agree with you Tree, casey anthony saw a future with Anthony Lazarro because he seemed to have a goal. He was working towards a career in the music field by attending Fullsail. casey anthony was attaching herself to that, imo.

[Ladyhawk]

Good morning all. Good pick up on that July 3rd date. I dont remember seeing that before. Did she go to an office and say my daughter works here, where is her office? Exactely how did she look for caylee? Is that when she found out casey didnt work them...or did she know that all along? confusing to me.

Those would be questions I would ask when Cindy takes the witness stand. Plus if she already knew Casey wasn't working, she didn't bring this up to Casey? She didn't tell LE this information before they went on the Universal field trip with Casey? She just keeps this to herself and writes about it on myspace?

[spiritwolf46]

:eek:.....heheheh!

A motive is not a requirement, tho jurys like one, or rather they want to know the "why"....I believe the prosecutor will build on this:


Some of the exchanges also deal with Anthony's frustration over dealing with her daughter and on "having to rely on other people," the messages show. "Seriously, spending the day with caylee [sic], is 10 times more exhausting, than working a 12-hour event," she writes to Rusciano.

In one message, Anthony referred to Caylee as "the little snot head" and stated she wanted to drop the toddler off at the baby sitter's apartment so she could spend time with Rusciano.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2708sep27,0,7275812.story?page=1

Thanks to LadyHawk for the link.


Would wanting to become a high paid Escort without a little one to worry about be a motive?

[GrannyB]

I would agree except for the searches for missing children sites way back in March. That blows my mind. To me this had been a plan for a long time and I just can't figure out why way back then. MOO

It was on a computer used by more than 1 Anthony. Can't prove who did the search. LE has a lot that just leads them to more questions. I don't think they are giving up.

[jbellaj]

I disagree. Well let me clarify: IF this case slowly fades without new developments, then I believe LE hasn't got a case at all, despite all the "leaks" and stuff. Which I DON'T believe. Did you read the news article yesterday (I didn't save it), something to the effect that (as we've said on here), this case is taking a long time because it is much harder to prove a case w/o a body. One of the people (detective or sheriff?) said this was the MOST difficult case he's ever had in 16 years. As I have said: this is NOT A SIMPLE CASE!!!!!!

But I sure don't think it's going away, not anytime soon. I predict we'll have a BIG break and an arrest....either that or they really DON'T have anything to prove Casey harmed Caylee.

ITA with you you. She will eventually be charge because they are taking their time to get it right because they only have one chance at it or like you say they may not have enough to PROVE it. If that's the case she gets away with murder. She will be found guilty on the check charges and child neglect charges and I hope the judge gives her the throws the book at her and her sentences her on each charge and not lump it all together. JMO

[GrannyB]

Would wanting to become a high paid Escort without a little one to worry about be a motive?

Nope. She could have afforded a real nanny then.

[Kathlb]

Those would be questions I would ask when Cindy takes the witness stand. Plus if she already knew Casey wasn't working, she didn't bring this up to Casey? She didn't tell LE this information before they went on the Universal field trip with Casey? She just keeps this to herself and writes about it on myspace?

You know, the more I learn about Cindy and her stories and what she did and didn't do and when, I am really leaning toward her being involved or... she's afraid if she doesn't lie and support Casey, Casey in her vindictive way will spill the beans about some horrible family secrets. MOO

[Kathlb]

It was on a computer used by more than 1 Anthony. Can't prove who did the search. LE has a lot that just leads them to more questions. I don't think they are giving up.

Oh, I don't think they are giving up either. In fact, I think that charges will come down soon. But you are right, we really don't know who or why they did those searches. jmho

[shelbar53]

I think its great the police have now asked the anthonys to hold the vigils inside their home or backyard. It will be interesting to see if the anthonys comply. some how I dont think they will...not enough attention if they dont go public with it. and i still think its terrible they are out in parking lots looking for handouts.

[msgatorslayer]

Good morning all. Good pick up on that July 3rd date. I dont remember seeing that before. Did she go to an office and say my daughter works here, where is her office? Exactely how did she look for caylee? Is that when she found out casey didnt work them...or did she know that all along? confusing to me.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't know how Casey could have fooled both her parents into thinking she had a job for 2 years when she didn't. One or both had to have known.

I don't take them to be a fry short on a happy meal. Cindy is a nurse. She's not dumb. Maybe because they wanted to believe in her, they didn't question things for a long time. I don't know. But I think they were definately on to her at the time Casey made those fake Universal e-mails.

Maybe Cindy finally had enough and marched her butt up to Universal. What date was it when Lee was supposedly out looking for Casey? July 4-5?

[SavannahStar]

They need way more than that to get a conviction. Since Casey lies constantly one could wonder if that wasn't said just to get what she wanted from him. Doesn't mean she did anything to Caylee.


Oh exactly! And of COURSE spending the day with a two-year-old is EXHAUSTING, sheesh even moms who don't kill their children can vouch for that.

As far as "snothead", sorry I don't read much into that. I was thinking this morning that MAYBE AR used that word first...like when he found out Casey had a child, maybe HE said, "oh you have a little snothead, huh?" ..... and then it grew from there.

Yes, they need WAY more than that.

[spiritwolf46]

Nope. She could have afforded a real nanny then.


So true, Granny B. But wouldn't the little one get in her way? I mean, Escorts go for nights, days, even weeks at a time. Could this be along the list of things that LE may be collecting for motive?

Partying
Tony possibly not wanting relationship with child
Possible Escort
Jealousy between Caylee and Cindy

Just to name a few

[GrannyB]

You know, the more I learn about Cindy and her stories and what she did and didn't do and when, I am really leaning toward her being involved or... she's afraid if she doesn't lie and support Casey, Casey in her vindictive way will spill the beans about some horrible family secrets. MOO

That's where I'm coming from. I just can't imagine any family secrets that could be worse than this. Unless it's who the father really is and to me that's not as bad as Caylee being missing. Something stinks about Cindy and the smells not getting any better the more we hear.

[Regina.Lampert]

They need way more than that to get a conviction. Since Casey lies constantly one could wonder if that wasn't said just to get what she wanted from him. Doesn't mean she did anything to Caylee.

Actually, the prosecutor DOES NOT NEED TO PROVE motive to get a conviction. However, in this case they do have what I posted to BUILD ON. I believe LE has more evidence in this vein, in addition to devastating forensic evidence that the defense will not be able to reasonably explain away.

I think a murder charge will come before her first court appearance for the child neglect and lying to LE trial.

[shelbar53]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't know how Casey could have fooled both her parents into thinking she had a job for 2 years when she didn't. One or both had to have known.

I don't take them to be a fry short on a happy meal. Cindy is a nurse. She's not dumb. Maybe because they wanted to believe in her, they didn't question things for a long time. I don't know. But I think they were definately on to her at the time Casey made those fake Universal e-mails.

Maybe Cindy finally had enough and marched her butt up to Universal. What date was it when Lee was supposedly out looking for Casey? July 4-5?

I dont know..george wasnt sure on the date but he said repeatedly to check his easypass. the anthonys never give conclusive dates...everthing is maybe this date or that, im not sure. geeze even the date caylee went missing is incorrect.

[GrannyB]

Oh exactly! And of COURSE spending the day with a two-year-old is EXHAUSTING, sheesh even moms who don't kill their children can vouch for that.

As far as "snothead", sorry I don't read much into that. I was thinking this morning that MAYBE AR used that word first...like when he found out Casey had a child, maybe HE said, "oh you have a little snothead, huh?" ..... and then it grew from there.

Yes, they need WAY more than that.

That's the same way I look at it. I feel like most think Casey did it and are not being open minded and looking at what we know. I lean towards Cindy but I wouldn't convict either on what we know.

[shelbar53]

So true, Granny B. But wouldn't the little one get in her way? I mean, Escorts go for nights, days, even weeks at a time. Could this be along the list of things that LE may be collecting for motive?

Partying
Tony possibly not wanting relationship with child
Possible Escort
Jealousy between Caylee and Cindy

Just to name a few

I would think making "dates" for the escort would show up on her cell phone records. I think she was getting her ducks in a row for when she finaly left the area so no one would catch on to caylee being missing but her partying got in the way of her plans, thats why she begged for one more day...she would have made her getaway then.

[msgatorslayer]

I dont know..george wasnt sure on the date but he said repeatedly to check his easypass. the anthonys never give conclusive dates...everthing is maybe this date or that, im not sure. geeze even the date caylee went missing is incorrect.

Yeah, nobody is sure on important dates. But Cindy can recite what Casey told her about all her friends on specific dates.:rolleyes:

[GrannyB]

So true, Granny B. But wouldn't the little one get in her way? I mean, Escorts go for nights, days, even weeks at a time. Could this be along the list of things that LE may be collecting for motive?

Partying
Tony possibly not wanting relationship with child
Possible Escort
Jealousy between Caylee and Cindy

Just to name a few

IF there was jealousy there it's been there and never stopped Casey from doing what she pleased. I haven't seen anything that says Casey didn't love Caylee. She knew she could leave her with Cindy.

[FrankieBones1]

A detective on NG last nite stated that Tampa General had no record of Zany and Raquel ever being treated there on that day. Casey's elaborate story concocted for her mother, so that she could stay out and party overnite without going home.

Anyone know the date of the fake accident? I thought she made up that elaborate story in order to stall Cindy from seeing Caylee. I thought Caylee had been dead by that time.

[desmom]

Yes, the sympathy card. That's what bothers me about accidental death. She would have garnered so much sympathy from everyone if Caylee had met with a real accident and she had reported it immediately.


Not if the accident that lead to Caylee's death was because of Casey's negligence. IMO, Cindy would not have seen it as an accident. IIRC, Casey told LE she was afraid to tell Casey disappeared because of how Cindy would react.

If Caylee was injured because of Casey's negligence, this would the ammo Cindy needed to gain full custody of Caylee. I do not believe Casey was happy being a mommy, but I don't think she would ever admit it to her mother because then Cindy would be right. I don't think Casey handled Cindy being right gracefully.

Jennyanydots posted Zanny's injuries Casey described were maybe Caylee's injuries. What if Casey did hit Caylee with her car? Caylee's head would be approximately bumper height (I think). Could this be the laceration behind the ear? Broken arm? Highly possible.

jmo

[spiritwolf46]

I would think making "dates" for the escort would show up on her cell phone records. I think she was getting her ducks in a row for when she finaly left the area so no one would catch on to caylee being missing but her partying got in the way of her plans, thats why she begged for one more day...she would have made her getaway then.


I am so with you on that. Thanks for putting that better than I was trying to. Have not had coffee yet this morning. ;)

[jbellaj]

IMO, the major problem was that casey anthony wanted to play house with Anthony Lazarro, day and night. Caylee was an obstacle to that desire, so she had to go.

IMO, cynthia was not going to stand for the princess leaving Caylee with them, while she overnighted with a man she never even met.

In other words, Caylee became a problem and weight around this odious creatures neck so she made a plan and then acted on it. IMO.


I'm not sure of that. I think if Casey wanted to leave Cindy would have made sure that Casey signed legal guardianship of Caylee over to her parents. Casey was holding Caylee over Cindy's head. Get rid of Caylee and what better way to hurt Cindy. Just a thought I would throw out there.

[GrannyB]

Yeah, nobody is sure on important dates. But Cindy can recite what Casey told her about all her friends on specific dates.:rolleyes:


Yep Cindy is an expert with her lies. But there's just too many and there are going to be her downfall. Silence would have served her better. We'd all be patting her on the head and feeling sorry for her. It's just not in her personality to shut the heck up. She has to be in control, has to win.

[Regina.Lampert]

Would wanting to become a high paid Escort without a little one to worry about be a motive?

Morning Wolfie! God only knows what the lofty ambitions and aspirations of an odious creature would be? Any activity that precluded Caylee's presence COULD be considered a motive, imo.

The "term of endearment snothead" used by casey anthony in the context of bringing poor Caylee to a sexual encounter with rusciano, is absolutely appalling, imo. :mad:

[spiritwolf46]

IF there was jealousy there it's been there and never stopped Casey from doing what she pleased. I haven't seen anything that says Casey didn't love Caylee. She knew she could leave her with Cindy.

But what about that "final" fight between Casey and Cindy? After that is when she left and after that is when Caylee went missing. So therefore, she would not have had Cindy to rely on any longer.

I am not disagreeing with you in the least, just trying to come up with things that may have pushed her to the point of no return.

[GrannyB]

Anyone know the date of the fake accident? I thought she made up that elaborate story in order to stall Cindy from seeing Caylee. I thought Caylee had been dead by that time.

IIRC Cindy told that story. We haven't heard it from Casey say she told Cindy.

[GrannyB]

But what about that "final" fight between Casey and Cindy? After that is when she left and after that is when Caylee went missing. So therefore, she would not have had Cindy to rely on any longer.

I am not disagreeing with you in the least, just trying to come up with things that may have pushed her to the point of no return.

I want to know what happened when they had other fights. I don't see that this one was probably any different. It may have been but we haven't been shown that yet.

[spiritwolf46]

Morning Wolfie! God only knows what the lofty ambitions and aspirations of an odious creature would be? Any activity that precluded Caylee's presence COULD be considered a motive, imo.

The "term of endearment snothead" used by casey anthony in the context of bringing poor Caylee to a sexual encounter with rusciano, is absolutely appalling, imo. :mad:

Mornin Regina! ITA. I think that there (as a whole, not by just one thing here or there) does prove motive in my way of thinking. If you put a list together of what took place after she had the fight with her parents, coupled with the searches prior of what she may have been wanting to do as a profession, one would be able to take that as motive(s) for not wanting a small child around.

Let's face it, Casey was and IS all about Casey. A child did not seem to go with what SHE wanted for her life. She is too much of a selfish BI**H to allow anyone to stand in the way of what she wanted.

[msgatorslayer]

Yep Cindy is an expert with her lies. But there's just too many and there are going to be her downfall. Silence would have served her better. We'd all be patting her on the head and feeling sorry for her. It's just not in her personality to shut the heck up. She has to be in control, has to win.

Oh, ITA, if Cindy would have shut her pie hole up and not talked to the media like she did, we'd think much differently of her. I know I felt sorry for her at first. Once she started talking about stinky pizza's...

[enigma]

I don't see where Casey had a problem with Caylee. Her parents supplied fnancially for Caylee, they babysat anytime Casey wanted. If they didn't babysit she took her with her. I haven't heard any of her friends say she complained about Caylee. Where was the problem?

What I meant was that Caylee became a problem to Casey because she interfered with her freedom of movement and her plans, her parties and her social/sex life.

Yes, the parents babysat Caylee, but I believe that Cindy didn't like it when Casey was spending her evenings/nights away, mostly giving excuses such as she had to work, she had to help Zanny the Nanny after her accident, etc, etc, etc. She had to think up something new all the time to excuse her absences. And all because of Caylee. If Caylee didn't exist, she wouldn't have to do that.

In fact, Cindy and Casey argued about Casey spending so much time out. Somewhere in that forest of links I referred to earlier there is one which points to an instance where Cindy showed Casey that famous pic of hers wrapped up in the American flag, saying somehting like "This is you at work, Casey?!" (paraphrasing).

We also know from AL's house mate's statement that around the beginning of June, Casey spent every night for about one week at AL's apartment, in his room, and that Caylee was not there, that in fact Caylee had never slept over at AL's.

From a message Casey sent to Troy, I believe, she said she hadn't "even slept at home for the last 9 nights... DRAMMMMA..."

Casey moved out her parents' house on 14 June, I believe, following an argument. We know that Cindy and George never saw Caylee again, and that Cindy only managed to make contact with Casey on 15 July when she confronted her.

Cindy and George certainly hadn't been babysitting Caylee during that period, and Casey's only concern was how she could spend all her time with AL, so "parking" Caylee was a problem. Caylee was a problem.

I believe Casey DID "complain" about Caylee, in at least one instance that I can think of which came to light recently. In one of her text messages to Rusciano, she said that spending a day with Caylee was 10 (or did she say 100?) times more demanding than organising events. Then her question about if she should "bring the snot head" - answered by herself "I thought not".. her comment "at least the kid's passed out"...

I think Casey got tired of playing mommy when her daughter became an ever-growing (both literally and figuratively) obstacle in the way she wanted to live her life, and it got to a point where she took care of the problem, which Caylee had become to her by then.

JMHO, though...

[shelbar53]

Anyone know the date of the fake accident? I thought she made up that elaborate story in order to stall Cindy from seeing Caylee. I thought Caylee had been dead by that time.

Im not sure anymore but it was after June15th. and it was a stall tatic {lie} to prevent cindy from talking to caylee on the phone. I am so weary of the uncooperation from cindy and george. I just think if i tried to get away with lying to LE or the FBI. I would be jail by now. why are people held accountable differently? seems they are being handled with kid gloves.

[Regina.Lampert]

I'm not sure of that. I think if Casey wanted to leave Cindy would have made sure that Casey signed legal guardianship of Caylee over to her parents. Casey was holding Caylee over Cindy's head. Get rid of Caylee and what better way to hurt Cindy. Just a thought I would throw out there.

I believe that casey anthony is so disturbingly evil that even tho she did not want Caylee, she did not want cynthia and george to have her either.

[GrannyB]

Oh, ITA, if Cindy would have shut her pie hole up and not talked to the media like she did, we'd think much differently of her. I know I felt sorry for her at first. Once she started talking about stinky pizza's...

I wish they would charge Cindy with obstruction of justice and throw her in a cell. Would be interesting to see what she did then.

[spiritwolf46]

I want to know what happened when they had other fights. I don't see that this one was probably any different. It may have been but we haven't been shown that yet.

No, we haven't, other than what the neighbors said that they heard. I wish we knew as well. Didn't the neighbors say that they could hear them very well arguing and so on the night of Father's day? Don't have a link, that is why I am asking.

[desmom]

Anyone know the date of the fake accident? I thought she made up that elaborate story in order to stall Cindy from seeing Caylee. I thought Caylee had been dead by that time.

The 23rd per http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/29/ng.01.html

[msgatorslayer]

I believe that casey anthony is so disturbingly evil that even tho she did not want Caylee, she did not want cynthia and george to have her either.

This is what I believe as well.:(

[spiritwolf46]

I believe that casey anthony is so disturbingly evil that even tho she did not want Caylee, she did not want cynthia and george to have her either.


YEP, YEP and YEP!

[Regina.Lampert]

Mornin Regina! ITA. I think that there (as a whole, not by just one thing here or there) does prove motive in my way of thinking. If you put a list together of what took place after she had the fight with her parents, coupled with the searches prior of what she may have been wanting to do as a profession, one would be able to take that as motive(s) for not wanting a small child around.

Let's face it, Casey was and IS all about Casey. A child did not seem to go with what SHE wanted for her life. She is too much of a selfish BI**H to allow anyone to stand in the way of what she wanted.

Yep, out of her own selfish mouth: "....because I'm a spiteful b!tch!"

[Ladyhawk]

Not if the accident that lead to Caylee's death was because of Casey's negligence. IMO, Cindy would not have seen it as an accident. IIRC, Casey told LE she was afraid to tell Casey disappeared because of how Cindy would react.

If Caylee was injured because of Casey's negligence, this would the ammo Cindy needed to gain full custody of Caylee. I do not believe Casey was happy being a mommy, but I don't think she would ever admit it to her mother because then Cindy would be right. I don't think Casey handled Cindy being right gracefully.

Jennyanydots posted Zanny's injuries Casey described were maybe Caylee's injuries. What if Casey did hit Caylee with her car? Caylee's head would be approximately bumper height (I think). Could this be the laceration behind the ear? Broken arm? Highly possible.

jmo

If she would have hit her with the car and injured her what did she do after....take her somewhere to recover from a broken arm? Drive around with her till she died? How could she have hit her hard enough to kill her outright? Wouldn't she have to have been some distance from her to have enough speed to hit her that hard? Caylee would have to have been outside the car and I just can't think of a scenario that would place her outside the car with Casey behind the wheel unless she was leaving her somewhere and why would that be? Was she just leaving her by herself standing somewhere?

[jbellaj]

I believe that casey anthony is so disturbingly evil that even tho she did not want Caylee, she did not want cynthia and george to have her either.

Isn't she pure EVIL. My 14 yr old cat has been sick a lot lately and I can't even bring myself to put her down. I would like to believe it was an accident because I just can't imaging how anyone let alone a mother could look into that childs eyes and kill her. Especially out of revenge towards her own mother. It just disgusts me. JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

No, we haven't, other than what the neighbors said that they heard. I wish we knew as well. Didn't the neighbors say that they could hear them very well arguing and so on the night of Father's day? Don't have a link, that is why I am asking.

Yep, yep, yep......lol! I think it's great that we haven't seen any reports or statements about that fight, because I think that implies that those reports are going straight into the Grand Jury to help get a true bill.

I think previous fights at the anthonys caused the police to be called. We may see those reports during the trial too, imo.

[SavannahStar]

I would agree except for the searches for missing children sites way back in March. That blows my mind. To me this had been a plan for a long time and I just can't figure out why way back then. MOO

Do we know for fact there were searcheS? I only saw one site in the screen shot.

[ellegna]

It was on a computer used by more than 1 Anthony. Can't prove who did the search. LE has a lot that just leads them to more questions. I don't think they are giving up.

Just guessing here but I'm sure since the computer was used by several people, each one of them probably had to log on with a user ID and password. If they did, LE would know exactly who searched.
IIRC I read somewhere Cindy's password or user ID was Bobby.

When I had a roommate, I set up password protect.
I had to log in and out to protect any info stored on my PC. My roommate also used my PC. They had to log on to access and to protect their info.

[nc1948]

Good point. Between all the bail money and all the living expenses and not working... Not that their finances are any of my business, but they can only live for so long on savings, no?

I recall bracelets and t-shirts and other paraphenalia being sold on ebay with profits supposedly going to the Find Caylee fund... I wonder how much merchandise was sold... I don't think there's a way of drilling down to that sort of detail on ebay with any accuracy, but I'd be more than happy if I'm wrong.

JMHO...

On the helpfindcaylee web site they were asking for donations of t-shirts, then further down the page they were selling t-shirts for a donation of $10.00. Mones to be sent to the Hopesprings address. Also donations could be sent to Hopsprings.

[carolann]

I agree totally. Sad to day, if Caylee grew up in that environment, her life would have been mucked up.

Most definite she is off better in the hands of God.




Oh, don't worry - they'll find someone. Joe Public sounds good... and I don't mean the band :)

You know, GA is the only one I feel kinda sorry for. I don't know why, maybe it's because he seems to be so firmly pinned under his wife's thumb. It just seems to me that he's on his own, somehow, that he's at the mercy of two prize.. uhm... individuals, one of whom has always controlled what he does and how he does it, and the other who has been brought up to do the same. But that's just my personal impression from what I've seen/read...

Needless to say, Caylee is the only innocent and true victim in all this. :rose: But I believe she is in a much better place, because I don't think she ever had much of a chance at all to grow into a happy, healthy, well-adjusted woman in that toxic environment, if she had survived it in the first place. She didn't, and I believe God knew exactly what He was doing and why, when He took her away from it.

JMHO...

[enigma]

I'm not sure of that. I think if Casey wanted to leave Cindy would have made sure that Casey signed legal guardianship of Caylee over to her parents. Casey was holding Caylee over Cindy's head. Get rid of Caylee and what better way to hurt Cindy. Just a thought I would throw out there.

I don't think Cindy had the power to do that, legally or otherwise.

But about hurting Cindy through Caylee... that I believe.

JMHO...

[jbellaj]

Yep, yep, yep......lol! I think it's great that we haven't seen any reports or statements about that fight, because I think that implies that those reports are going straight into the Grand Jury to help get a true bill.

I think previous fights at the anthonys caused the police to be called. We may see those reports during the trial too, imo.

I remember seeing a link on the links thread or it was on the OCSD site of just how many calls took place at the A's house and it listed what the calls pertained to.

[msgatorslayer]

Was an exact experation date ever given for the large donor reward monies? I thought about that lastnight when the 225k was flashed on the NG screen.

[Regina.Lampert]

Isn't she pure EVIL. My 14 yr old cat has been sick a lot lately and I can't even bring myself to put her down. I would like to believe it was an accident because I just can't imaging how anyone let alone a mother could look into that childs eyes and kill her. Especially out of revenge towards her own mother. It just disgusts me. JMO

I know Bella, it's so bad. Interesting that you bring up your little furbaby. I cannot recall where I saw or heard this, but a vet was speaking about this case and they said that in their career they had never had someone bring an injured, dying or dead pet to their office in the trunk of the car. They could not fathom that a mother could put the dead body of their daughter in the trunk and then tool around town with her.

[carolann]

I agree totally. Sad to day, if Caylee grew up in that environment, her life would have been mucked up.

Most definite she is off better in the hands of God.

meant better off (sorry)

[msgatorslayer]

Do we know for fact there were searcheS? I only saw one site in the screen shot.

NG does have a weird way of doing things. The local media wrote about the missing children web sites, first. And then NG shows a huge list of escort sites with only one missing kids site.:shrug:

It reminds me of the Duckett case. How the porn was first mentioned on NG.

[spiritwolf46]

Yep, yep, yep......lol! I think it's great that we haven't seen any reports or statements about that fight, because I think that implies that those reports are going straight into the Grand Jury to help get a true bill.

I think previous fights at the anthonys caused the police to be called. We may see those reports during the trial too, imo.

Thank you! I thought I remembered that THAT particular fight was a real doozy, which is why the neighbors heard it an remembered the date.

What a completely horrible, bizarre, wicked, evil family and case this is.

You hit the nail on the head with the EVIL part!

[enigma]

About LE saying that they can't arrest Casey for murder for lack of proof... I think they have a lot more than what they have released. There's no way LE would put all they have out there! This is just a taste, a sneak peek. The aces are yet to be revealed.

JMHO...

[marshmallow]

They need way more than that to get a conviction. Since Casey lies constantly one could wonder if that wasn't said just to get what she wanted from him. Doesn't mean she did anything to Caylee.

if Casey is the person responsible for death and it wasn't an accident like unattended swimming. I'm afraid that I can see a possibility that Casey might've snapped and lashed out, harming Caylee.

Everything was going a bit sideways on her. She'd been caught stealing from her GG, Mom wasn't cutting her slack like she always had, new circle of pals and new boyfriend who were more active at night. Boyfriend didn't want Caylee sleeping over, friends making comments about her not bringing Caylee to parties and poker games, Amy's alleged sleepwalking shown as a lie, the house not really being her's so she and Amy have no real future place to live, a huge blow up with the 'rents, maybe Cindy snapped too, Casey grabbing her only weapon to hurt them with... Caylee and saying something like "fine, we're gone and you're never seeing us again".

And at some point with all this rattling around in her head, possibly Caylee says something, whines like kids her age do when they're tired and confused, or cries for Grandma, and yes, I do think it's possibly that Casey lashed out. No excuse though.

I had a hard time trying to imagine Casey losing it that way. But now seeing the tempers shared by the other family members (and yes, some was provoked) and getting a broader view of Casey's self created house of cards.
She had a mess and I still can't see her premeditating Caylee's demise but I can see her snapping. Especially after reading Amy's words and realizing how carefully Casey kept her "worlds" apart. Especially knowing that everything she'd built out of lies was coming down and knowing she must've been desperate. I think it's possible she then started thinking about making a new life for herself, maybe as an escort in Cal. But then Cindy showed up with Amy and the poop hit the fan.

[trich]

I don't see where Casey had a problem with Caylee. Her parents supplied fnancially for Caylee, they babysat anytime Casey wanted. If they didn't babysit she took her with her. I haven't heard any of her friends say she complained about Caylee. Where was the problem?

IMO it is obvious that Casey had a BIG PROBLEM with Caylee.
She was a thorn in her side sort of speak.
Casey could not live the life style she wanted to and again IMO she
got annoyed at having to possibly explain to Cindy why and where she would be going when she left her child with them so often.
Then of course when she was finally called out about stealing from her grandfather she realized she could not live away from home and take care of Caylee by herself.
I believe Casey was leaving Caylee alone alot in the car or wherever she could so she could do what she wanted.
She certainly did not care about Caylee or she would have gotten a job and done what most moms do....make that child the most important part of her life.
But Casey chose to live a fantasy life and it all came crumbling down around her and took her own daughters life in the process.

[FrankieBones1]

The 23rd per http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/29/ng.01.html
Thanks, Desmom. The transcript is so long. I'll take a guess and say it's June 23rd.

[Kathlb]

Do we know for fact there were searcheS? I only saw one site in the screen shot.

No, you're right, there was one search listed. Thanks for correcting me. :seeya:

[desmom]

If she would have hit her with the car and injured her what did she do after....take her somewhere to recover from a broken arm? Drive around with her till she died? How could she have hit her hard enough to kill her outright? Wouldn't she have to have been some distance from her to have enough speed to hit her that hard? Caylee would have to have been outside the car and I just can't think of a scenario that would place her outside the car with Casey behind the wheel unless she was leaving her somewhere and why would that be? Was she just leaving her by herself standing somewhere?

I don't think the speed of the car would be as much of an issue as the weight of the car running over a toddler. The internal injuries would be massive IMO.

If Casey was distracted, she may have thought Caylee was in the car. Remember Cindy and Casey just had a big argument at the house on Father's Day. (I think it was over the gfs account). Casey didn't have a job, no place to go and she had a soon to be 3 year old in tow. She had a lot of things on her mind.

I still think the flurry of phone calls made by Casey was an attempt to get help. After no answers and Casey having time to think about the consequences, she convinced herself Caylee would be okay and put her in the car.

Another possibility came to mind while typing this...what if Casey and Caylee did leave during the middle of the night and slept in the car. Would it have been hot/cold enough to require Casey to run the ac/heat? What if Caylee was overcome by carbon monoxide?

jmo

[shelbar53]

The more I think about it the more Im glad cindy cant keep her big fat yapper shut. otherwise we never would have know about caylee being missing. if cindy would have waited a few more hours to hear the story, then imo, everything would have been swept under the rug. cindy is probably kicking herself for ever calling 911.

[BJames]

I would say that Casey is probably liking all of this attention...but also she is one of 'them' again in the 'us' and 'them' game.
Just think...Casey has gone from being in a huge amount of trouble from her mother (and family) during the 911 calls, to now where her parents are defending her in the public. Whether George is on board with LE or not what I heard him say in a snippet during their vigil must have made Casey's heart sing...He said 'I love my daughter and my grandaughter with all of my heart...unconditionally' (no quote)...
So now Casey is a 'victim' in that family unit, no more being the 'bad guy' and she doesn't have to take care of a 2 year old, no job...nothing and the family unit is defending her. My guess is she is hoping this will all die down and she can move on with another 'Tony' and be the 'victim' forever...the loss of her daughter, the police blaming her on a whim...because her mother called 911...
Interesting position she is in...

Just my opinion of course...

[summer4meplz]

IIRC Cindy told that story. We haven't heard it from Casey say she told Cindy.

It was the week of the missing returned gas cans...june 24....the detective said something about if casey was coming to get z's insurance on june 24, how is it she came over to return the gas cans?iirc

[MyrDawn]

I don't see where Casey had a problem with Caylee. Her parents supplied fnancially for Caylee, they babysat anytime Casey wanted. If they didn't babysit she took her with her. I haven't heard any of her friends say she complained about Caylee. Where was the problem?

Casey wanted to party a LOT, and I doubt her parents would have been willing to babysit while she did that, especially since she wasn't even working. Don't forget, Caylee was almost three and most likely talking a lot about everything that popped into her head, like kids that age do. I think Casey may have been scared to death that Caylee would say something to the GP's and blow all the lies she'd been telling since she got fired wide open.
JMO

[nc1948]

That's where I'm coming from. I just can't imagine any family secrets that could be worse than this. Unless it's who the father really is and to me that's not as bad as Caylee being missing. Something stinks about Cindy and the smells not getting any better the more we hear.

As a Grandmother, Cindys actions, reactions, posturing, lies have all made me so sick. I watched the Cindy/LE interview on NG last night. I THINK is was her first interview with LE after Caylee was missing. If it had been me, or I think most Grandmothers with a missing Grandchild, I would have been a blithering idiot, crying and begging for help in finding my Grandchild. Instead, Cindy was calm and interested in getting her stories told. Cindys attitude stinks. She is not now or ever shown any interest in finding Caylee. As a Grandmother, I am appalled.

[spiritwolf46]

I would say that Casey is probably liking all of this attention...but also she is one of 'them' again in the 'us' and 'them' game.
Just think...Casey has gone from being in a huge amount of trouble from her mother (and family) during the 911 calls, to now where her parents are defending her in the public. Whether George is on board with LE or not what I heard him say in a snippet during their vigil must have made Casey's heart sing...He said 'I love my daughter and my grandaughter with all of my heart...unconditionally' (no quote)...
So now Casey is a 'victim' in that family unit, no more being the 'bad guy' and she doesn't have to take care of a 2 year old, no job...nothing and the family unit is defending her. My guess is she is hoping this will all die down and she can move on with another 'Tony' and be the 'victim' forever...the loss of her daughter, the police blaming her on a whim...because her mother called 911...
Interesting position she is in...

Just my opinion of course...

Great Post!

[Kathlb]

I'm in the middle of reading a book right now by James Patterson. In it he has a psychopathic killer. A serial killer which we don't have here of course, but the similarities are scary. This person just kills merely to get someone out of the way that's causing a problem for him, sometimes because he likes the thrill he gets from it, other times just because he's bored. The consistent theme however running through his killings is that he feels no remorse, no feeling of any kind really other than it needed doing for some reason. He walks away and never looks back. The similarities are interesting and gave me a bit more insight into Casey's mind. jmho

[msgatorslayer]

It was the week of the missing returned gas cans...june 24....the detective said something about if casey was coming to get z's insurance on june 24, how is it she came over to return the gas cans?iirc

Didn't the crazy astronaut roll with gas cans?:lol:

Wonder if Casey was wearing a diaper for her long trip from Orlando to Tampa, lmao.

[summer4meplz]

Personally, I don't think casey was that "into" TonyL or she wouldn't have been flirting with william waters......having sex with ricardo....and cop tony......making arrangements to go to ca....spending time with jesse.....do we know if they had sex that weekend? I thought it interesting when casey went to shower at jesse's, he said...she didn't look like she needed a shower....but she went into the bathroom,,,didn't close the door...but i stayed out in the living room...do you think she might have been trying to lure him ?

also, i hadn't heard about cindy going to universal studios until this morning...maybe casey told her the nanny had taken her there...who knows....but when she came back home, she wrote her myspace entry...i reallly realllly really don't believe cindy had anything to do with Caylee's death....imo

[Texas48]

I think Casey was doing exactly what was expected of her. Letting her do what she did was Cindy's way to control her. And Cindy and George lie just as much as Casey. What we don't know for a fact is who thought up this bunch of lies.

As far as Cindy's rules go she had no intention of anyone coming into Casey's life and interfering with her control. I bet she could tell Jesse wasn't going to put up with her bs. As usual..ITA w/you Granny. I saw alot of jelously in Cindy's statements when she was commenting about Jesse. You could easily tell what was going on in Cindy's mind with her remarks. It appears no one had ever stood up to Cindy including George and then when Jesse did she went off the wall. Cindy seemed to rule in this family. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

As a Grandmother, Cindys actions, reactions, posturing, lies have all made me so sick. I watched the Cindy/LE interview on NG last night. I THINK is was her first interview with LE after Caylee was missing. If it had been me, or I think most Grandmothers with a missing Grandchild, I would have been a blithering idiot, crying and begging for help in finding my Grandchild. Instead, Cindy was calm and interested in getting her stories told. Cindys attitude stinks. She is not now or ever shown any interest in finding Caylee. As a Grandmother, I am appalled.

I couldn't agree more, though I'll go one step further. The whole family makes me ill. Neither George, Cindy or Lee has done a thing to look for this little girl. They want to put out false leads and do what ever is possible to take the focus off of Casey. It turns my stomach that they are all playing the victim.

[msgatorslayer]

Melinda Duckett was always prepared and never w/o gas.

Casey Anthony was never prepared and always w/o gas.

[Mairi II]

<snip> I think Casey may have been scared to death that Caylee would say something to the GP's and blow all the lies she'd been telling since she got fired wide open.
JMO

That's exactly what I've been thinking. I can see Casey getting extremely frustrated with Caylee, too, if Caylee started crying for Grandma - maybe a push or whatever - something that she was fearful Caylee would repeat.

[desmom]

As usual..ITA w/you Granny. I saw alot of jelously in Cindy's statements when she was commenting about Jesse. You could easily tell what was going on in Cindy's mind with her remarks. It appears no one had ever stood up to Cindy including George and then when Jesse did she went off the wall. Cindy seemed to rule in this family. JMO


I totally agree. Cindy had to have been livid when Jesse stood up to her! jmo

[nc1948]

meant better off (sorry)

No problem carolann, I thnk most of us got it. We understand the keyboard gremlins. I reread my post sometimes, and can not believe some of my typos or wording. I hate it when the spelling and grammar police are on here. I usually quit posting until they leave as I am terrible.

[summer4meplz]

I totally agree. Cindy had to have been livid when Jesse stood up to her! jmo

I have a feeling it wasn't Jesse's norm to be rude to an adult..but enough is enough...

[Texas48]

Good morning everyone - just listen to the news and it sure seems Casey is going to get away with this! The LE was on saying they have no proof of murder and can't arrest her. This is really a very sad case that a woman can be be caught in so much and still walk free! I had so much faith in the LE there and now, I don't know what to think.....JMOO
Don't give up on LE. They have plenty of time to char MURDER charges and they know it. They have spent way too much time and engery on this case and no one will ever convince me they are just going to let it go. No way..no how. Stand back and watch. They havesunk their hearts and soul into this missing/murdered baby. Don't give up...JMO

[MyrDawn]

I have a feeling it wasn't Jesse's norm to be rude to an adult..but enough is enough...

Yep, there's nothing like being accused of being the last one to have a little girl that "disappeared" soon after to make a person irate.
JMO

[rosejustrose]

As usual..ITA w/you Granny. I saw alot of jelously in Cindy's statements when she was commenting about Jesse. You could easily tell what was going on in Cindy's mind with her remarks. It appears no one had ever stood up to Cindy including George and then when Jesse did she went off the wall. Cindy seemed to rule in this family. JMO


ITA. But, I didn't have a warm and fuzzy (surprise!) when Cindy was telling that story. I had the distinct impression she was repeating a tale she had rehearsed in her head before. I think the Jesse situation was greatly exaggerated, IMO. Cindy was just so unbelievable in her LE interview. I was relieved when they finally stopped all her bs about the calendar and attempted to bring her back to reality. As if she'd know reality. I couldn't stomach all the minute details she was reiterating about Zanny and the imagined trip to Tampa. She certainly couldn't have believed it so why go through with all the nonsense? She's as crazy as they come, IMO. JMO.

[Ladyhawk]

~~respectfull snip~~

Another possibility came to mind while typing this...what if Casey and Caylee did leave during the middle of the night and slept in the car. Would it have been hot/cold enough to require Casey to run the ac/heat? What if Caylee was overcome by carbon monoxide?

jmo

That's a possibility but wouldn't Casey be overcome too? Granted she's an adult and bigger than a child so she might have been able to get out and get fresh air in time but she's not that big. Maybe the lab has checked the exhaust system of the car for leaks.

As for leaving in the middle of the night, that would mean that George didn't say goodbye to them on the 16th.

jmo

[Texas48]

We've never heard Casey say anything about who held Caylee first. Just Cindy, George and Lee. If Cindy was in the delivery room instead of the father, they would have handed the baby to her while they were tending to Casey. I think we are seeing what Cindy wants us to see and I'm not buying.
Casey is far from perfect but I don't see proof she would or did harm Caylee. Yet, I'm still watching for it though. ITA Granny. Guess all gets tired of me saying that. I honestly can not see how WHO held this baby first of any importance. Happends alot in delivery rooms..So many questions and so few answers.

[Joan Weiss]

Morning, everyone. I just spent 2 hours reading all of the interviews with the various parties. I discovered some things that have been discussed here incorrectly, as I recall. They may have been straightened out when I wasn't here, but I just want to note them.

They concern the tow yard employees.

The first one I have a problem with is that its been said that George couldn't know the car was out of gas, that he just assumed it was. According to Simon Burch, George did try to start the car and it wouldn't start. Then he determined it was out of gas. So, it was out of gas when it was towed.

The second thing is that I was believing the car had been backed into the parking space next to the dumpster at Amscot. According to Gary Ridgeway, the car was "nosed in," and Ridgeway said he hooked up to the back end of the car. He also said he probably wouldn't have noticed if there was an odor.

Also, George knew the car was towed from Amscot because he asked the lady at the tow yard on his first visit there, before he went and got the money and picked up Cindy.

Here's the interview links, post #750, by Kakax. Thanks, Kakax, for all your work in assembling everything in one place. :cool:


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=338043&page=19

This changes the scenario for me. The gas can discussion is now answered. Anyone else?
imo

[babblefishie]

Casey wanted to party a LOT, and I doubt her parents would have been willing to babysit while she did that, especially since she wasn't even working. Don't forget, Caylee was almost three and most likely talking a lot about everything that popped into her head, like kids that age do. I think Casey may have been scared to death that Caylee would say something to the GP's and blow all the lies she'd been telling since she got fired wide open.
JMO

Morning! :seeya:
ITA! Caylee probably WAS starting to spill the beans. I think there was genuine concern about her wellbeing if Cindy was seeing a counsellor and discussing the issue of custody. IF that's true then it may be that Caylee was starting to chit chat about sleeping in big beds with men and the car trunk being dark and mommy wears a flag.

[BJames]

I have a feeling it wasn't Jesse's norm to be rude to an adult..but enough is enough...

I agree...at least from what I have gleened thus far from him.
And it is two opposite ends of the spectrum that Cindy seems to have been playing there...On one hand she expects him to be adult enough to hold himself accountable for being Caylee's father (at that time), yet...on the other hand she wants to disrespect him and treat him like a 'child'...'her rules, her house'.
And of course now she's willing to toss the guy in front of the train...it can't be both ways. He was respectable enough to stand up and take accountability when they thought he was the father...but now that it is convenient...he's the 'low life' that has taken Caylee...the bum who just 'hung around the house'...while taking care of the baby of course...wow.

Just my opinion of course...

[desmom]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/25/casey_anthony_calls_home_from_jail.html
Casey Anthony: Because I'm not sitting here ****ing crying every two seconds. Because I have to stay composed to talk to detectives, to make other phone calls, to do other things. I can't sit here and be crying every two seconds like I want to. I can't.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0609/08/ng.01.html
Melinda Duckett: Well obviously that is the case, but I mean, I'm all hands in the pot with this whole deal. I'm not sitting down either crying my eyes out in my house not doing anything or gluing myself to the police department door. I'm actually physically doing things.

[rosejustrose]

Personally, I don't think casey was that "into" TonyL or she wouldn't have been flirting with william waters......having sex with ricardo....and cop tony......making arrangements to go to ca....spending time with jesse.....do we know if they had sex that weekend? I thought it interesting when casey went to shower at jesse's, he said...she didn't look like she needed a shower....but she went into the bathroom,,,didn't close the door...but i stayed out in the living room...do you think she might have been trying to lure him ?

also, i hadn't heard about cindy going to universal studios until this morning...maybe casey told her the nanny had taken her there...who knows....but when she came back home, she wrote her myspace entry...i reallly realllly really don't believe cindy had anything to do with Caylee's death....imo

Morning, summer! Hey, where's Boxer been? I miss her direct and on target posts.

ITA. I don't think Casey was particularly into anyone. IMO she used men to her advantage whenever she could. I don't believe she was capable of real emotional attachment and just thrived on having someone in her life that she could "pretend" she was attached to. Her list of victims just seems to keep getting longer and longer everyday. It'll be interesting to see how this whole thing comes to a conclusion. Unfortunately, I don't think that conclusion will include finding Caylee and giving her a proper burial. JMO.

For Caylee:rose:

[marshmallow]

I'm a poker player. Not just online, although I do practice online, I also play in tournaments in realityland.
I look at LE actions right now and it's similar to how I play poker online. If I've won w/ a good hand because of folds I will sometimes show my cards to let people know I'm not always bluffing.
I don't show every hand but occasionally I'll give a teaser so the other players know I'm not just full of hot air. (keeps my opponents off balance)
LE is showing the occasional hand to keep the Anthony's off balance. Kind of like game playing but with big stakes. Cindy Anthony spoke of how LE wasn't doing their job and how they<the family> were cooperating, LE released tapes showing the opposite. To let the Anthonys know LE isn't just playing or bluffing. I can't imagine what the important pieces of info hold but I'm guessing we won't know until the final table, so to speak.


After seeing/hearing the interviews I had two.five thoughts come to mind.
1. the family's gone silent press conf. wise, is it because they've been shown as fibbers? how tense must life be in that house now?
2. whose interviews are missing besides Annies?




as always, these are only my thoughts and not proven fact.

[nc1948]

I couldn't agree more, though I'll go one step further. The whole family makes me ill. Neither George, Cindy or Lee has done a thing to look for this little girl. They want to put out false leads and do what ever is possible to take the focus off of Casey. It turns my stomach that they are all playing the victim.

Sorry to disagree, but

George is searching 24/7
Cindy is going door to door
George is searching in Grocery store parking lot(also taking donations
to continue searching
Someone is searching Missing Childen web sites (well this was before
Caylee was reported missing, but they knew they would be so
busy when she was missing they needed to do this early.
Cindy asked Tim to search because all of us scum/maggots wanted
him to search.
George removed the woman and dog from in front of his house
protesting as she was hindering the search.
Cindy searched in the palm tree in the neighbors yard.

Instead of Casey being named Mother of the year, I think this family should be named Family of the year. I have never seen one like them before and I hope I never do again.

[Joan Weiss]

I have a feeling it wasn't Jesse's norm to be rude to an adult..but enough is enough...I think Cindy hates Jesse because he stood up to her, and defended Casey. She just can't tolerate any interference. Serious control factor at work here. imo

[Joan Weiss]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/25/casey_anthony_calls_home_from_jail.html
Casey Anthony: Because I'm not sitting here ****ing crying every two seconds. Because I have to stay composed to talk to detectives, to make other phone calls, to do other things. I can't sit here and be crying every two seconds like I want to. I can't.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0609/08/ng.01.html
Melinda Duckett: Well obviously that is the case, but I mean, I'm all hands in the pot with this whole deal. I'm not sitting down either crying my eyes out in my house not doing anything or gluing myself to the police department door. I'm actually physically doing things.Thanks, desmom. :chicken:

[rosejustrose]

Morning, everyone. I just spent 2 hours reading all of the interviews with the various parties. I discovered some things that have been discussed here incorrectly, as I recall. They may have been straightened out when I wasn't here, but I just want to note them.

They concern the tow yard employees.

The first one I have a problem with is that its been said that George couldn't know the car was out of gas, that he just assumed it was. According to Simon Burch, George did try to start the car and it wouldn't start. Then he determined it was out of gas. So, it was out of gas when it was towed.

The second thing is that I was believing the car had been backed into the parking space next to the dumpster at Amscot. According to Gary Ridgeway, the car was "nosed in," and Ridgeway said he hooked up to the back end of the car. He also said he probably wouldn't have noticed if there was an odor.

Also, George knew the car was towed from Amscot because he asked the lady at the tow yard on his first visit there, before he went and got the money and picked up Cindy.

Here's the interview links, post #750, by Kakax. Thanks, Kakax, for all your work in assembling everything in one place. :cool:


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=338043&page=19

This changes the scenario for me. The gas can discussion is now answered. Anyone else?
imo


Morning, Joan! I recall these conversations and the clarification that the car was indeed out of gas. It's been my opinion that Casey ran the car down low of gas and then parked at Amscot and let the car run completely out of gas. That never made too much sense to me in the big picture. If she had wanted that car stolen, it would make sense to leave gas in it. I think she intended to go back and get it after a period of time during which she assumed it would "air" out. JMO.

[shelbar53]

Morning, everyone. I just spent 2 hours reading all of the interviews with the various parties. I discovered some things that have been discussed here incorrectly, as I recall. They may have been straightened out when I wasn't here, but I just want to note them.

They concern the tow yard employees.

The first one I have a problem with is that its been said that George couldn't know the car was out of gas, that he just assumed it was. According to Simon Burch, George did try to start the car and it wouldn't start. Then he determined it was out of gas. So, it was out of gas when it was towed.

The second thing is that I was believing the car had been backed into the parking space next to the dumpster at Amscot. According to Gary Ridgeway, the car was "nosed in," and Ridgeway said he hooked up to the back end of the car. He also said he probably wouldn't have noticed if there was an odor.

Also, George knew the car was towed from Amscot because he asked the lady at the tow yard on his first visit there, before he went and got the money and picked up Cindy.

Here's the interview links, post #750, by Kakax. Thanks, Kakax, for all your work in assembling everything in one place. :cool:


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=338043&page=19

This changes the scenario for me. The gas can discussion is now answered. Anyone else?
imo

Great Post, Im sorry but so much info and dates and she said he said...i just dont remember the question.

[babblefishie]

I agree...at least from what I have gleened thus far from him.
And it is two opposite ends of the spectrum that Cindy seems to have been playing there...On one hand she expects him to be adult enough to hold himself accountable for being Caylee's father (at that time), yet...on the other hand she wants to disrespect him and treat him like a 'child'...'her rules, her house'.
And of course now she's willing to toss the guy in front of the train...it can't be both ways. He was respectable enough to stand up and take accountability when they thought he was the father...but now that it is convenient...he's the 'low life' that has taken Caylee...the bum who just 'hung around the house'...while taking care of the baby of course...wow.

Just my opinion of course...

Yeah, I think Cindy didn't cotton to ANYONE telling her how to talk to HER daughter. He was a stand up guy, standing up to her and she didn't like him coming in to her family and shaking up the natural order of things. Cindy and Casey had a nice dance going of verbal abuse, mind games and I LOVE YOU -- I HATE YOU don't leave me dynamic that he was messing with.

She was probably thrilled when she found out he wasn't the father and immediately worked to draw up papers to exclude any of the other many candidates from ever being part of the scenario.

the Anthony's don't have many friends and I think Cindy liked it that way just fine. Control freaks find things easier to control, the less players involved.

Little did she know her daughter was "romantically involved" with half of Orlando and would soon throw the entire family into a national spotlight.
:rose: Caylee

[summer4meplz]

Morning, summer! Hey, where's Boxer been? I miss her direct and on target posts.

ITA. I don't think Casey was particularly into anyone. IMO she used men to her advantage whenever she could. I don't believe she was capable of real emotional attachment and just thrived on having someone in her life that she could "pretend" she was attached to. Her list of victims just seems to keep getting longer and longer everyday. It'll be interesting to see how this whole thing comes to a conclusion. Unfortunately, I don't think that conclusion will include finding Caylee and giving her a proper burial. JMO.

For Caylee:rose:



Maybe whoever it was that buried her, prayed over her, therefore thinking she's been properly buried...:cuss: (I don't know where Boxer has been, I've been wondering that myself...might have to give that girl a call and tell her we miss her!!)

[rosejustrose]

Sorry to disagree, but

George is searching 24/7
Cindy is going door to door
George is searching in Grocery store parking lot(also taking donations
to continue searching
Someone is searching Missing Childen web sites (well this was before
Caylee was reported missing, but they knew they would be so
busy when she was missing they needed to do this early.
Cindy asked Tim to search because all of us scum/maggots wanted
him to search.
George removed the woman and dog from in front of his house
protesting as she was hindering the search.
Cindy searched in the palm tree in the neighbors yard.

Instead of Casey being named Mother of the year, I think this family should be named Family of the year. I have never seen one like them before and I hope I never do again.

I'm glad that someone finally put it out there that this family has just gone beyond the limits of what is humanly possible to find this precious little girl.:rolleyes: Geez, we all need to take a moment and praise their heroic efforts on their searching. I wish Cindy would search a little bit more, like her own backyard. But, that's just my opinion.:biggrin:

[Joan Weiss]

<snip>
Another possibility came to mind while typing this...what if Casey and Caylee did leave during the middle of the night and slept in the car. Would it have been hot/cold enough to require Casey to run the ac/heat? What if Caylee was overcome by carbon monoxide?

jmoThe AC. Maybe Casey didn't stay in the car, she left Caylee there. I think you're on to something here. That would explain why she carried George's gas cans in the trunk. Needed them in case the car ran out of gas during the night, from running the AC for Caylee. imo

[BJames]

I think Cindy hates Jesse because he stood up to her, and defended Casey. She just can't tolerate any interference. Serious control factor at work here. imo


I agree Joan, and an interesting dynamic wouldn't you think?
First...why would a mother put a boyfriend in the position of defending her own daughter...to her?
And secondly...would that not garner some respect for the guy that he had her daughter's back in this big world?
I wouldn't put another in a position to have to 'defend' my child to me, but if they stood up for him/her in this world at large...I would have a great deal of respect for them.
Cindy shows quite the opposite...

Just my opinion of course...

[BANJO GRANNY]

As a Grandmother, Cindys actions, reactions, posturing, lies have all made me so sick. I watched the Cindy/LE interview on NG last night. I THINK is was her first interview with LE after Caylee was missing. If it had been me, or I think most Grandmothers with a missing Grandchild, I would have been a blithering idiot, crying and begging for help in finding my Grandchild. Instead, Cindy was calm and interested in getting her stories told. Cindys attitude stinks. She is not now or ever shown any interest in finding Caylee. As a Grandmother, I am appalled.

I agree 100%

:rose:For Baby Caylee

[Regina.Lampert]

Morning, everyone. I just spent 2 hours reading all of the interviews with the various parties. I discovered some things that have been discussed here incorrectly, as I recall. They may have been straightened out when I wasn't here, but I just want to note them.

They concern the tow yard employees.

The first one I have a problem with is that its been said that George couldn't know the car was out of gas, that he just assumed it was. According to Simon Burch, George did try to start the car and it wouldn't start. Then he determined it was out of gas. So, it was out of gas when it was towed.

The second thing is that I was believing the car had been backed into the parking space next to the dumpster at Amscot. According to Gary Ridgeway, the car was "nosed in," and Ridgeway said he hooked up to the back end of the car. He also said he probably wouldn't have noticed if there was an odor.

Also, George knew the car was towed from Amscot because he asked the lady at the tow yard on his first visit there, before he went and got the money and picked up Cindy.

Here's the interview links, post #750, by Kakax. Thanks, Kakax, for all your work in assembling everything in one place. :cool:


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=338043&page=19

This changes the scenario for me. The gas can discussion is now answered. Anyone else?
imo


Excellent work Joanie and Kakax!!

[desmom]

That's a possibility but wouldn't Casey be overcome too? Granted she's an adult and bigger than a child so she might have been able to get out and get fresh air in time but she's not that big. Maybe the lab has checked the exhaust system of the car for leaks.

As for leaving in the middle of the night, that would mean that George didn't say goodbye to them on the 16th.

jmo

http://www.kdheks.gov/news/web_archives/2005/03142005a.html
Carbon monoxide is an invisible odorless gas that can make a child seriously ill in concentrations that would barely affect an adult.

George's recall of what they were exactly wearing when they left at 12:50 p.m. on a "normal day" has always bothered me. IMO, the only reason George remembers is because it was not a normal day.

I think their was a huge blow up at the house and in a fit of anger Casey packed up Caylee and left during the middle of the night. George said he had suspected Casey did not have a job. It had to be traumatic to watch the two of them leave with no money, no job and no place to live.

jmo

[rosejustrose]

I think Cindy hates Jesse because he stood up to her, and defended Casey. She just can't tolerate any interference. Serious control factor at work here. imo

I believe you have Cindy pegged. It was pretty obvious from her LE interview that she tried to control that too. I have to commend those two officers. I would have knocked her teeth out if I had to spend that much time in close quarters with her. It's just my opinion but that woman is repulsive and as compulsive a liar as her odious offspring. JMHO.

[jbellaj]

Morning, everyone. I just spent 2 hours reading all of the interviews with the various parties. I discovered some things that have been discussed here incorrectly, as I recall. They may have been straightened out when I wasn't here, but I just want to note them.

They concern the tow yard employees.

The first one I have a problem with is that its been said that George couldn't know the car was out of gas, that he just assumed it was. According to Simon Burch, George did try to start the car and it wouldn't start. Then he determined it was out of gas. So, it was out of gas when it was towed.

The second thing is that I was believing the car had been backed into the parking space next to the dumpster at Amscot. According to Gary Ridgeway, the car was "nosed in," and Ridgeway said he hooked up to the back end of the car. He also said he probably wouldn't have noticed if there was an odor.

Also, George knew the car was towed from Amscot because he asked the lady at the tow yard on his first visit there, before he went and got the money and picked up Cindy.

Here's the interview links, post #750, by Kakax. Thanks, Kakax, for all your work in assembling everything in one place. :cool:


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=338043&page=19

This changes the scenario for me. The gas can discussion is now answered. Anyone else?
imo

All of those questions have been answered for me after I read those reports as well.

BTW is anyone else have trouble with the boards moving like a snail???? Or is it just my PC???

[Joan Weiss]

Morning, Joan! I recall these conversations and the clarification that the car was indeed out of gas. It's been my opinion that Casey ran the car down low of gas and then parked at Amscot and let the car run completely out of gas. That never made too much sense to me in the big picture. If she had wanted that car stolen, it would make sense to leave gas in it. I think she intended to go back and get it after a period of time during which she assumed it would "air" out. JMO.I agree, rose. I think that's why she asked Amy to buy a gas can; she'd already had to give George's cans back to him. I think she was surprised when it got towed. imo

Holy cow, it cost $466.00 to retrieve the car from the tow yard! Just for running out of gas? I'd be pizzed...I bet George was sorry he got his cans back. imo

[MyrDawn]

The AC. Maybe Casey didn't stay in the car, she left Caylee there. I think you're on to something here. That would explain why she carried George's gas cans in the trunk. Needed them in case the car ran out of gas during the night, from running the AC for Caylee. imo

IMO, that makes a lot of sense. She wouldn't have dared tell her dad why she took them if that's why.

[FrankieBones1]

I've been reading the docs over again at this link:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

It's very confusing. According to Cindy, Casey stole the vehicle on June 30th. I thought Casey was free to use that white car. There were four cars for that household. Cindy had a green SUV. Anyway, if Casey were going to steal it, wouldn't she have taken it around June 15th?

There is an error in the docs when it comes to Cindy's second 911 call.
They have the call as June 15th.

[Joan Weiss]

All of those questions have been answered for me after I read those reports as well.

BTW is anyone else have trouble with the boards moving like a snail???? Or is it just my PC???Thanks. Oh, yes, they've been slow since Saturday, for me. Grrr....:cuss:

[rosejustrose]

I wish someone, anyone, would step forward and claim responsibility for watching Caylee for the past two years. It's just not believable that Casey pulled off going to work everyday and leaving Caylee with a sitter. Someone somewhere knows the truth and I believe that person resides in the Anthony home. I think Caylee spent more time at home than we've been led to believe. Cindy just has too much control in that house. JMHO.

[MyrDawn]

I agree, rose. I think that's why she asked Amy to buy a gas can; she'd already had to give George's cans back to him. I think she was surprised when it got towed. imo

Holy cow, it cost $466.00 to retrieve the car from the tow yard! Just for running out of gas? I'd be pizzed...I bet George was sorry he got his cans back. imo

They charge for each day for however long the car is kept at the yard before it's retrieved. It's pretty expensive. I know one of them here that charges $125.00 per day.
JMO

[shelbar53]

Didn't Padilla say that there was a day (24 hour period) where Casey did NOT use her phone?
I looked, didn't see it ..

I guess Padilla's credibily is shot .. ( as if he ever had any ) ! :D

I thought he said around the june 28th, i looked at the 27-28-29 and there was activity on those dates

[martha]

I think Caylee was getting to the age she was talking a lot and it was not going to be easy to put her in the trunk at night. with xanxa. casey was afraid she was going to start telling cindy everything, It would take more meds to keep her asleep too. when a child gets caylee age they start telling everything. You really have to be careful what you say and do in front of them. jmho :rose:

[margaret kep]

Didn't Casey say that Zanny had an accident and was hospitalized?
There must be accident report or hospital records somewhere
if it really happened. And may be able to prove that Zanny existed?. I didnt hear anything else about it. Is this just another one of Caseys lie?

Good morning. I would think it would be simple to verify since CA told Cindy that they followed the police or ambulance to the hospital. That tells me there must be an accident report somewhere, if it did happen. Sweet angel CAYLEE you are still in our hearts.:rose:

[rosejustrose]

Didn't Padilla say that there was a day (24 hour period) where Casey did NOT use her phone?
I looked, didn't see it ..

I guess Padilla's credibily is shot .. ( as if he ever had any ) ! :D


I haven't looked at her cell phone records but I don't think Padilla would make such a bold statement knowing they were a matter of public record. IMO, there most likely was a down period for Casey while she was disposing of little Caylee. JMO.

[Pebbles]

[QUOTE=cherish;12208893]Quote:
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After looking at this page, I noticed in the description block that the recent photo is dating 5/31/08. Isn't it the same photo supposedly taken on the 6/15/08 Fathers day? Anyone notice that or is it just me?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media...8/41844520.pdf
Could you please reference a page number? This document has 432 pages.

I think I've heard before that Cindy had corrected her statement on the date of that photo, (I have no link).

It's interesting how Cindy points out inconsistencies in everyone else s statements, yet she won't account for her own.
fr
Cindy has accused both Amy and Jesse, while being well aware of Casey's lie after lie. How in the world can anybody be that gullible?

The sad thing is, I really think that Cindy is almost as crazy as Casey.

But that's JMHO
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Yes and where Casey and Cindy both seem to waste time and basically stall with LE when speaking about Caylee's disappearance.......They BOTH do a complete turn around in their 911 calls. If they need something from LE....they seem to act and speak like we would expect someone to act. Yet when it is LE that needs their cooperation to help find Caylee, their own flesh and blood, they just talk in circles giving names of fictitious people. STALL, STALL, STALL!!

While 911 calls are often made public it is very rare that we see LE interviews of the suspected persons family members, such as Cindys interview. I guarantee you she never wanted that released nor thought it would be. All the while she is beating around the bush with LE she is going around the media circuit claiming to be working with LE to find Caylee, she just cannot share with us the specifics of the case......Say what?

And what she has done to poor Jesse in the process is just SICK! She did not want that out either. First Casey threw Jesse under the bus when she was PG with Caylee, then now all the way through that little girls life to the end where Cindy is now blaming him for her disappearance. It is just TERRIBLE!.......A perfect example of how 2 socialpathic females can basicially do what ever they want to wreck a good honest young man`s life. If he was not the good guy he is, he would of seen it coming when Casey claimed her pregnacy was "female" problems.

AND if we did not have solid proof before our eyes she would be denying she ever blamed Jesse. I am sure she has a spin to put on it. I can hear her now inside that house saying.........I did not have enough sleep......water......food......WHAT ABOUT CAYLEE? What does Caylee have?

HOPE JESSE SUES SO SHE WILL GET NO BLOOD MONEY FROM THIS!!

Yes that house of cards is getting shakier and shakier......I wonder if George and Lee knew she was doing that to Jesse. So glad that poor guy took a polygraph and passed.


I also got the impression while watching the video of Cindy being interviewed by LE that she was almost flirting with both of the officers. The way Cindy was playing with her sandal and her foot, changing her position on the chair and sometimes sitting like a teenager or young adult instead of a grandmother, playing with her hair, etc.

This is JMO, but it did strike me as odd while I was watching Cindy. She did not strike me as a grieving grandmother, but a person that seems to think that her words and actions can control the outcome of a situation.

I still get angry when I see people supporting Casey and her family after everything they have put the public, media, searchers and LE through by their actions. The Anthonys are not the victims, Caylee is the victim and she is the only one that deserves justice.



Caylee - I am sorry you were alone for your birthday! It isn't suppose
to be that way!

[Joan Weiss]

I kinda think there was some sort of SERVICE Casey worked for sporadically, to include escort per-say, not necesarily your average one though. I was leaning toward the computer searches of escort sites and info as Casey trying to strike out on her own ,if perhaps she didn't have regular work in that area................field.............. duh...........

Then I think of her secretness.yes she played everyone for a longtime that she worked , but particularly if she really was looking at her latest beau TL as somepne she seriously wanted involved with ,she may have been desperate as well to continue to hide this aspect from him...what guy wants his girl servicing other men ?

CASEY was MIA ALOT.not just from 6-16-08 till 7-15-08 as Amy said ,she was doing something .something for 2 years since she was fired from universal.......LE focused on the last couple months of Casey's life ,I feel they should have been detailed in questioning how ofter CASEY was gone in from home day or night from April of 06 when she was fired..............

I know it seems she must have had money if escorting ,but maybe she blew it just as fast when she had nothing to do in her non service days and she had to take Caylee to malls ,parks ect..........

I mean keeping up a front for a job for a month would be hard , but 2 YEARS...........................! Casey can't keep this story on radar ,2 years she pulled the wool of having no job .she was going somewhere ..alot.I also noted this AM that Casey's boss at Universal said they really liked her and put her in management training. Then he said he had to tell her she couldn't party with the people she was managing. Shortly thereafter she was pregnant and transferred to the photo job. Who requests a job on a lower level pay, especially when you're going to have a child to support? Why? :confused:

imo

[FrankieBones1]

I wish someone, anyone, would step forward and claim responsibility for watching Caylee for the past two years. It's just not believable that Casey pulled off going to work everyday and leaving Caylee with a sitter. Someone somewhere knows the truth and I believe that person resides in the Anthony home. I think Caylee spent more time at home than we've been led to believe. Cindy just has too much control in that house. JMHO.
So far, a old friend of hers, gave a statement to the police. She said that she babysat Caylee for free. She felt that she needed to help out Casey since Casey was a single mom like her. THEN...she found out that Casey was out partying and not really working when she was babysitting for her.

[Pooh]

Good morning everyone! :seeya: On Nancy's show last night, they played a little bit of the police interview with George. Does anyone know if the transcript has been released of his interview? What he had to say was very interesting given the little portion Nancy played. I'd love to read the entire thing.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Morning All :seeya:

Gosh, don'tcha just hate when work interfers with keeping up to date?? Geesh, bet'cha that was Casey's problem too...couldn't work for having to keep up with those missing children on the sit(s) :rolleyes:

Seriously though, any news? Updates? Releases? Speculations and/or Theories (yea, I'm open for anything that makes this situation "make sense" and leads to the answers....)

[frances1]

Oh, he definitely made that statement ..
He said it on Nancy Grace last week ..


I'm remembering the date of 6/17 as the date of no outgoing calls on Casey's phone, but I could certainly be wrong. Does anyone know where to check?

[Joan Weiss]

Yet, when she ditched the car she had popsicles and food, so gas wasn't her first priority because she could have filled the car up, not called around for a ride to pick her up. mooShe didn't buy that stuff at the store, she stole it from her parents' home. What I can't figure is that the lady at Amscot said the car was there at 7AM when she arrived for work. Casey didn't call Tony until later in the morning. So, if the car was already at Amscot, how did she keep the frozen food from thawing until Tony picked her up? I'm sure one of you great sleuths can answer that for me. imo

[rosejustrose]

Yet, when she ditched the car she had popsicles and food, so gas wasn't her first priority because she could have filled the car up, not called around for a ride to pick her up. moo


That has always bothered me about the food. Tony said it wasn't grocery store food but food she pilfered from her parent's house. She must have been there first. I wonder if that's the day she gave George back his gas cans. Whatever happened with the tool he needed to jack up the cars to rotate tires? IIRC, all Casey gave him back was his gas cans and he did tell LE that he bolted that jack down pretty tightly. Oh, but he knew Casey didn't want him looking in that trunk:rolleyes:

JMO

[jbellaj]

I wish someone, anyone, would step forward and claim responsibility for watching Caylee for the past two years. It's just not believable that Casey pulled off going to work everyday and leaving Caylee with a sitter. Someone somewhere knows the truth and I believe that person resides in the Anthony home. I think Caylee spent more time at home than we've been led to believe. Cindy just has too much control in that house. JMHO.

Lauren watched Caylee until she was 8 or 9 months old and then nada since that time.:(

[WillowInFlight]

The thing I will never understand knowing what we now know of Cindy is why she never asked Caylee questions. Caylee lived with her, I wonder why when they spent time together Cindy never asked how she liked the babysitter, or if there were other children being watched that she played with. George suspected Casey wasn't working, why not ask Caylee where they went.:shrug:

[FrankieBones1]

Good morning everyone! :seeya: On Nancy's show last night, they played a little bit of the police interview with George. Does anyone know if the transcript has been released of his interview? What he had to say was very interesting given the little portion Nancy played. I'd love to read the entire thing.
I came across his written statement only so far.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3303.0

[Joan Weiss]

That has always bothered me about the food. Tony said it wasn't grocery store food but food she pilfered from her parent's house. She must have been there first. I wonder if that's the day she gave George back his gas cans. Whatever happened with the tool he needed to jack up the cars to rotate tires? IIRC, all Casey gave him back was his gas cans and he did tell LE that he bolted that jack down pretty tightly. Oh, but he knew Casey didn't want him looking in that trunk:rolleyes:

JMOrose, I recall that he said he usually bolts the jack down tight, not that he did that day. imo

[SavannahStar]

http://www.kdheks.gov/news/web_archives/2005/03142005a.html
Carbon monoxide is an invisible odorless gas that can make a child seriously ill in concentrations that would barely affect an adult.

George's recall of what they were exactly wearing when they left at 12:50 p.m. on a "normal day" has always bothered me. IMO, the only reason George remembers is because it was not a normal day.

I think their was a huge blow up at the house and in a fit of anger Casey packed up Caylee and left during the middle of the night. George said he had suspected Casey did not have a job. It had to be traumatic to watch the two of them leave with no money, no job and no place to live.

jmo

So if Casey didn't stay at her parents' the night of the 15th, where did she stay? No one has said she stayed with them. And Tony L. has stated she did NOT stay with them that night, specifically.

I believe George DID see Casey and Caylee leave on the 16th.

[rosejustrose]

Maybe the gas gauge really was broke ? Not that I beleive Casey,but remember there is a shread of truth even in some of her lies. The car when picked up from Amscott REALLY was out of gas..........it would be interesting to see GAS receipts.............the last fill up or the amount used , till the nest gas purchases..alos could check the mileage on car since last service and see just how much driving around was being done in even the last 6 months ...........Where was Casey for 2 years when she was out supposedly working>????

I think a lot of your questions could be answered if Cindy would give LE her credit/debit card statements. IMO, they're going to paint a very ugly picture of what Casey was really up to and where she was during this crucial period of time. IMO that's why Cindy hasn't turned them over, or hadn't turned them over, she did, after all, check them herself.:no:

[desmom]

The AC. Maybe Casey didn't stay in the car, she left Caylee there. I think you're on to something here. That would explain why she carried George's gas cans in the trunk. Needed them in case the car ran out of gas during the night, from running the AC for Caylee. imo

just thinking out loud.....

So...Casey returns to the car and the car is not running. Carbon monoxide poisoning can cause the cheeks to become red or flushed. Casey may have assumed it was because Caylee was hot from the lack of ac.

Didn't George say Casey carried a car key in her pocket so Caylee could not get accidentally locked in the car? I think it was back in the beginning. I have 2 children 2 years apart and I never carried an extra car key in my pocket. I would have lost it or ran it in the washer. LOL!

Where would she park the car where people would not notice a child left in a running car? A Park? One of those parking spaces way out at the end of a mall parking lot? A storage unit?

jmo

[SavannahStar]

I think Caylee was getting to the age she was talking a lot and it was not going to be easy to put her in the trunk at night. with xanxa. casey was afraid she was going to start telling cindy everything, It would take more meds to keep her asleep too. when a child gets caylee age they start telling everything. You really have to be careful what you say and do in front of them. jmho :rose:


Are you implying you think Casey habitually put Caylee in the trunk with xanax?? :eek: I don't see any evidence of that. Wouldn't Caylee have suffocated?

[WinnieLeigh7]

She didn't buy that stuff at the store, she stole it from her parents' home. What I can't figure is that the lady at Amscot said the car was there at 7AM when she arrived for work. Casey didn't call Tony until later in the morning. So, if the car was already at Amscot, how did she keep the frozen food from thawing until Tony picked her up? I'm sure one of you great sleuths can answer that for me. imo

Is this the day she went to Jesse's to shower?? Did she have groceries when she went to Jesse's??

[Ladyhawk]

http://www.kdheks.gov/news/web_archives/2005/03142005a.html
Carbon monoxide is an invisible odorless gas that can make a child seriously ill in concentrations that would barely affect an adult.

George's recall of what they were exactly wearing when they left at 12:50 p.m. on a "normal day" has always bothered me. IMO, the only reason George remembers is because it was not a normal day.

I think their was a huge blow up at the house and in a fit of anger Casey packed up Caylee and left during the middle of the night. George said he had suspected Casey did not have a job. It had to be traumatic to watch the two of them leave with no money, no job and no place to live.

jmo

TY for the link. I found this to answer my question on how long it would take.

http://www.hbo.com/autopsy/baden/qa_3.html
"The rapidity of death from carbon monoxide poisoning depends on the amount and how quickly the carbon monoxide is inhaled. A great deal of carbon monoxide comes out of a motor car exhaust and if this is inhaled in a closed space like a garage, loss of consciousness can occur within minutes and death soon thereafter. The carbon monoxide causes death by attaching to the hemoglobin in red blood cells and thereby preventing oxygen from being brought to the cells of the body."

So, if she was parked somewhere in the open, there would need to be a leak in the system or maybe a slightly open hatchback window (did this car have one of those?) where the exhaust could be drawn into the car.

I guess it's also possible that she left the car running with Caylee in it in the garage the afternoon of the 16th when G & C were gone while she went inside to get some clothes or something and got distracted on the phone....it might not have had to be longer than 30 minutes.

I sure hope the lab checked the exhaust system in the car. moo

[jbellaj]

Good morning everyone! :seeya: On Nancy's show last night, they played a little bit of the police interview with George. Does anyone know if the transcript has been released of his interview? What he had to say was very interesting given the little portion Nancy played. I'd love to read the entire thing.

I didn't watch NG but I did watch both CA & Ga's interviews and I found it interesting GA tells LE he had followed Casey and Cindy said don't follow her but he did it anyway but lost her.

When LE asked Cindy about this she denied knowing about it.

[Pebbles]

I heard on Nancy Grace one night last week that George is working again. A security job. I can't remember which night it was that I heard that, though.
JMO

Found it:
Sept. 23rd:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/23/ng.01.html
Natisha Lance: Well, what we`re hearing, Nancy, is that George Anthony has gone back to work. He`s working security at nights over at Disney. Cindy Anthony, as we know from before, was on disability leave from her job for a period of time, I guess, until this is resolved.


I would like to know when George works his job at Disney, he always seems to be home or collecting donations. Many of my friends and family have worked or now work for Disney, they usually work the worse shifts in the beginning and put in a lot of hours.

I have worked as a casual regular (part time cast member - 24 or less hours a week) for awhile, definitely not enough hours to pay the bills, but I was retired and wanted to keep busy. I would be working days or nights, sometimes ten hours a day, other times four hours.

[rosejustrose]

She was obviously an escort, and Cindy probably knew all about it, for sure, and then on top of being a monster who isn't grieving or acting normal she will be burned at the stake for allowing her daughter to participate in prostitution.

jmo

Casey just doesn't strike me as "escort" material. IMO, she's not terribly attractive, has a really annoying voice and isn't all that bright. I can see her turning tricks in cheap motel rooms or the men's room at the airport, IMO. I always thought that the "escort" business was a step above the street walkers. I could be just dating myself. That's just not a business area that I pay too much attention to at all. IMO, she's not above anything, after all, she most likely killed her own child. JMO.

[WinnieLeigh7]

That has always bothered me about the food. Tony said it wasn't grocery store food but food she pilfered from her parent's house. She must have been there first. I wonder if that's the day she gave George back his gas cans. Whatever happened with the tool he needed to jack up the cars to rotate tires? IIRC, all Casey gave him back was his gas cans and he did tell LE that he bolted that jack down pretty tightly. Oh, but he knew Casey didn't want him looking in that trunk:rolleyes:

JMO

Supposedly gas cans returned on the 24th

Car left ~27th (it was the early morning of the 27th when an Amscot employee saw it)

[Joan Weiss]

Thanks Joan, now my mind is envisioning Casey having some mini freezer in the back of her car and hauling Caylee around in it, then throwing it in the dumpster by Amscot, lol.Well, I have kept some frozen food somewhere out of the freezer in the summer, it's been my experience that if there's a lot of stuff, it keeps the whole bunch frozen for awhile. I still can't figure out where she was when the Amscot lady came to work. Was she maybe sleeping in the car and the lady didn't see her? I mean, how did she get back there, if not in the car? :confused:

imo

[snap4]

Yes, the sympathy card. That's what bothers me about accidental death. She would have garnered so much sympathy from everyone if Caylee had met with a real accident and she had reported it immediately.

Totaly agree with you she is all about getting sympathy!!! that is why I have issues with the accident theory also. Almost like the munchouser(sp) mother who hurts her own child for attention, not that she did that, just saying, she has that "I need attention", "I need sympathy" mentality. Very strange the extremes that she goes to acheive that.

Also, did anyone notice her statement in a text to someone where she stated about (not an exact quote) "she is passed out now" refering to Caylee. That just grabbed my attention...most college students use that term "passed out" after partying too much...I don't know it was just weird to me. I would refer to my children when they went to sleep, as "they are now sleeping" or "they are in bed for the night" Did anyone else catch that or am I the only one who thinks that was a weird statement? I can try to find the quote if you all want me to.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Thanks Joan, now my mind is envisioning Casey having some mini freezer in the back of her car and hauling Caylee around in it, then throwing it in the dumpster by Amscot, lol.

Cooler maybe?!?!

Maybe she had food in a cooler, removed the food, placed Caylee inside of it...and you know the rest....

:shrug:

[aubrey04]

Does anyone know whether Casey was partying while she was pregnant? I read that she didn't tell anyone she was preggo until she was 7 months pregnant. There are pictures out there - where she has short hair and she has a small belly.. I wonder.. Was she partying at bars while pregnant?

Also I am becoming concerned about Leonard Padilla constant appearances on NG.. Is this dude going to hold over and become an expert on other cases.. even after this one is over? :punch:(rhetorical question - I realize no one can really answer that)..

[Joan Weiss]

Forgive my rambling thoughts I am on pain medication today and my heads abby-normal. Funny to me Casey worked in one of those kiosks @ Universal taking pics of ppl as they came down the amusement park ride, to sell to them. And then its a guy who takes club pics and sells them that catches HER on film partying when she should have been greiving. The sword cuts both ways.
Was she friends with the girl in the hot body contest dancing with her in the shorts, was that Amy? tiaNo, that's not Amy. imo

[Regina.Lampert]

Anyone know where CASEY or any friends say she stayed on 6-16-08 ?

That is the million dollar question. She may have been captured on a photo with Anthony Lazarro at approximately 8pm at
Blockbuster. Where she was from 12:50 p.m. when george last saw her, till Blockbuster is a very good question.

[Rayosunshine]

I'm a poker player. Not just online, although I do practice online, I also play in tournaments in realityland.
I look at LE actions right now and it's similar to how I play poker online. If I've won w/ a good hand because of folds I will sometimes show my cards to let people know I'm not always bluffing.
I don't show every hand but occasionally I'll give a teaser so the other players know I'm not just full of hot air. (keeps my opponents off balance)
LE is showing the occasional hand to keep the Anthony's off balance. Kind of like game playing but with big stakes. Cindy Anthony spoke of how LE wasn't doing their job and how they<the family> were cooperating, LE released tapes showing the opposite. To let the Anthonys know LE isn't just playing or bluffing. I can't imagine what the important pieces of info hold but I'm guessing we won't know until the final table, so to speak.


After seeing/hearing the interviews I had two.five thoughts come to mind.
1. the family's gone silent press conf. wise, is it because they've been shown as fibbers? how tense must life be in that house now?
2. whose interviews are missing besides Annies?




as always, these are only my thoughts and not proven fact.

Besides Annie's, JP's. Am sure there are many others also.

Wonder what the problem with the other LE that lost their job over this case was? I don't recall anything further about it.

[Joan Weiss]

Casey just doesn't strike me as "escort" material. IMO, she's not terribly attractive, has a really annoying voice and isn't all that bright. I can see her turning tricks in cheap motel rooms or the men's room at the airport, IMO. I always thought that the "escort" business was a step above the street walkers. I could be just dating myself. That's just not a business area that I pay too much attention to at all. IMO, she's not above anything, after all, she most likely killed her own child. JMO.Rose, look at Heidi Fleiss. 'nuff said. imo

[ruth66]

Somehow I missed this....on the same day she wrote her myspace...did she just look around or did she speak to someone there and discover that Casey didn't work there?

"On July 3, Cindy Anthony went to Universal Studios hoping she could find Caylee. But she had no luck."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2708sep27,0,7275812.story?page=2

Just started reading the thread, so my apologies if this has already come up. If George saw Casey in late June with CA vehicle and followed her, how did Casey get CA's vehicle? And how did it get back into their possession? I really think that there are some missing pages and information that LE is holdng back for good reason. I do think they have enough charge Casey, I just think they are being extremely careful for two reasons. One, all the lies that this family has put out there have to be difficult to wade through and two, Baez strikes me as the type of attorney that would do whatever it takes to get his big payday. That includes pushing the envelope to the very edge or being unethical. JMO

[rosejustrose]

Lauren watched Caylee until she was 8 or 9 months old and then nada since that time.:(

Right, and then the Grunds picked up on watching her until April 06 which would put Caylee at about the same age, 8/9 months. So who watched her for the next almost 2 years. Cindy claims she watched Caylee whenever Casey went out but what about when she supposedly worked which we know she didn't do from April 06 to present. It seems to me Caylee was with Casey but where did they go, what did they do? JMO. I think they spent their days on Hopespring Dr and I'd be willing to bet the computer forensics folks will find out that Casey was on line for a good portion of that time. They all lie, they all knew Casey didn't work. JMO.

[Pooh]

I came across his written statement only so far.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3303.0
Thanks, Frankie. Weird Nancy was able to get some video but the transcript isn't out there yet. Oh well - patience. LOL

[summer4meplz]

I think a lot of your questions could be answered if Cindy would give LE her credit/debit card statements. IMO, they're going to paint a very ugly picture of what Casey was really up to and where she was during this crucial period of time. IMO that's why Cindy hasn't turned them over, or hadn't turned them over, she did, after all, check them herself.:no:



Can't LE get her statements without her? And can't they just run her name through their "knowall" computers and find out any card she has that she did NOT disclose?

[martha]

Are you implying you think Casey habitually put Caylee in the trunk with xanax?? :eek: I don't see any evidence of that. Wouldn't Caylee have suffocated?I really don;t know but everyone sayes it is so hot in fl that she could not have lived in there but I thought it might be cooler at night. Where was caylee every night while casey was parting? the only thing I do know is a 3 year old would began to talk a lot and tell everything or mine did and so did my grands. We could not even say **** in front of them they would pick it up. My daughter said dam in front of hers and you know one of them come out with that one day. Our preacher little girl came to church one day singing that gingle about beer where she had seen it on tv. Boy did that get away with him ha. we thought it was cute but he sure did not. I just don;t think casey could keep carring her every where she was going. as she got older. jmho:rose:

[rosejustrose]

So if Casey didn't stay at her parents' the night of the 15th, where did she stay? No one has said she stayed with them. And Tony L. has stated she did NOT stay with them that night, specifically.

I believe George DID see Casey and Caylee leave on the 16th.

Morning Savannah! This case is so dang frustrating. I never saw such a group of people who have no clue what they did, who they saw, where they stayed, who stayed with them, etc., on any given date. It's almost like there isn't one of them that could care less, IMO. The majority of these people have jobs or go to school, there were three holidays between the end of May and July. Certainly there were enough "landmark" days by which to gauge their comings and goings. Geez, I wish someone paid attention to a calendar. JMO.

[frances1]

Can't LE get her statements without her? And can't they just run her name through their "knowall" computers and find out any card she has that she did NOT disclose?

I think they not only can get those without her, but they already have at this point. Remember, that interview was earlier on. I think Yuri was just trying to make a point to Cindy that she had not given them what they asked for.

[WinnieLeigh7]

TY for the link. I found this to answer my question on how long it would take.

http://www.hbo.com/autopsy/baden/qa_3.html
"The rapidity of death from carbon monoxide poisoning depends on the amount and how quickly the carbon monoxide is inhaled. A great deal of carbon monoxide comes out of a motor car exhaust and if this is inhaled in a closed space like a garage, loss of consciousness can occur within minutes and death soon thereafter. The carbon monoxide causes death by attaching to the hemoglobin in red blood cells and thereby preventing oxygen from being brought to the cells of the body."

So, if she was parked somewhere in the open, there would need to be a leak in the system or maybe a slightly open hatchback window (did this car have one of those?) where the exhaust could be drawn into the car.

I guess it's also possible that she left the car running with Caylee in it in the garage the afternoon of the 16th when G & C were gone while she went inside to get some clothes or something and got distracted on the phone....it might not have had to be longer than 30 minutes.

I sure hope the lab checked the exhaust system in the car. moo


IMO

This was no 'accidential' death

For the longest time, I refused to say "accident" just because of the actions afterward...I didn't want to 'reduce' it to 'accident'/coverup

But now, as the computer searches emerge with 'killing' pictures, chloroform searches, missing children websites, etc.

I'm pretty convinced this was in no way shape or form, an "accident", not by leaving her in the car, not by over drugging her, not by unattending to her, and her getting into the pool, etc. etc.

By no means was Caylee's death (and yes, death, she wasn't sold or 'kidnapped'...)...her death was NO accident.

The concealing of her death by Casey, Cindy and the likes (Also IMO), is NOT denial either! It's simply "Defensive Cover up"

[Joan Weiss]

Is this the day she went to Jesse's to shower?? Did she have groceries when she went to Jesse's??I'm wondering that, too, Winnie. But he didn't say he gave her a ride anywhere. Anyone know if that's the day she showered at Jessie's? I just can't go back to the docus right now, fried on that. imo

She might have taken a cab back to Amscot?

[aubrey04]

Forgive my rambling thoughts I am on pain medication today and my heads abby-normal. Funny to me Casey worked in one of those kiosks @ Universal taking pics of ppl as they came down the amusement park ride, to sell to them. And then its a guy who takes club pics and sells them that catches HER on film partying when she should have been greiving. The sword cuts both ways.
Was she friends with the girl in the hot body contest dancing with her in the shorts, was that Amy? tia

I don't think that is Amy. Amy is a very pretty blonde - looks like a natural blonde. That girl is a brunette and doesn't look like Amy to me. (just comparing the two pictures I have seen of Amy and mystery person)

[margaritaville]

Supposedly gas cans returned on the 24th

Car left ~27th (it was the early morning of the 27th when an Amscot employee saw it)


So if Casey returned the cans to George on the 24th..Left the car on the 27th, how many of you think Caylee's body was in the trunk on the 24th?


I do!

[jbellaj]

Besides Annie's, JP's. Am sure there are many others also.

Wonder what the problem with the other LE that lost their job over this case was? I don't recall anything further about it.

IIRC it was reported only one officer lost his job for not admitting to having a relationship with Casey even after they had the text messages between them. Then I heard she had a semi relationship with another officer that owned up to it. No I don't have a link and I don't remember where I read it. Anyway he was not fired because he told the truth. Supposedly she met the one that was fired through Jesse. Don't know how she met the other one but she really got around.JMO

[summer4meplz]

That is the million dollar question. She may have been captured on a photo with Anthony Lazarro at approximately 8pm at
Blockbuster. Where she was from 12:50 p.m. when george last saw her, till Blockbuster is a very good question.


back to Lenny and ng :rolleyes:lenny started to say about the hotel casey was spotted that night when nancy interupted him....june 15th...father's day night....or am i a day off from what you are talking about? lol

[WinnieLeigh7]

Well, I have kept some frozen food somewhere out of the freezer in the summer, it's been my experience that if there's a lot of stuff, it keeps the whole bunch frozen for awhile. I still can't figure out where she was when the Amscot lady came to work. Was she maybe sleeping in the car and the lady didn't see her? I mean, how did she get back there, if not in the car? :confused:

imo

I questioned this too...

but somewhere along the line I thought this is when she was 'showering' at Jesse's...

:confused:Dunno

[Joan Weiss]

TY for the link. I found this to answer my question on how long it would take.

http://www.hbo.com/autopsy/baden/qa_3.html
"The rapidity of death from carbon monoxide poisoning depends on the amount and how quickly the carbon monoxide is inhaled. A great deal of carbon monoxide comes out of a motor car exhaust and if this is inhaled in a closed space like a garage, loss of consciousness can occur within minutes and death soon thereafter. The carbon monoxide causes death by attaching to the hemoglobin in red blood cells and thereby preventing oxygen from being brought to the cells of the body."

So, if she was parked somewhere in the open, there would need to be a leak in the system or maybe a slightly open hatchback window (did this car have one of those?) where the exhaust could be drawn into the car.

I guess it's also possible that she left the car running with Caylee in it in the garage the afternoon of the 16th when G & C were gone while she went inside to get some clothes or something and got distracted on the phone....it might not have had to be longer than 30 minutes.

I sure hope the lab checked the exhaust system in the car. mooIt was a hatchback, so if the car was backed up against a wall, or the exhaust pipe was blocked by a wall on that side, it would seep into the car if it was running. imo

Let's not forget the chloroform, though.

[klock777]

Has there been a release of LE interview document of ZG?

[WinnieLeigh7]

Totaly agree with you she is all about getting sympathy!!! that is why I have issues with the accident theory also. Almost like the munchouser(sp) mother who hurts her own child for attention, not that she did that, just saying, she has that "I need attention", "I need sympathy" mentality. Very strange the extremes that she goes to acheive that.

Also, did anyone notice her statement in a text to someone where she stated about (not an exact quote) "she is passed out now" refering to Caylee. That just grabbed my attention...most college students use that term "passed out" after partying too much...I don't know it was just weird to me. I would refer to my children when they went to sleep, as "they are now sleeping" or "they are in bed for the night" Did anyone else catch that or am I the only one who thinks that was a weird statement? I can try to find the quote if you all want me to.


It was in the IM with the lover cop...I did catch it also, and at first went :eek: too

But the more I think about it...

I have used that term for my own children...

especially when letting them rug themselves ragged playing and saying something along the lines of "at least they'll pass out early"

[jbellaj]

Just started reading the thread, so my apologies if this has already come up. If George saw Casey in late June with CA vehicle and followed her, how did Casey get CA's vehicle? And how did it get back into their possession? I really think that there are some missing pages and information that LE is holdng back for good reason. I do think they have enough charge Casey, I just think they are being extremely careful for two reasons. One, all the lies that this family has put out there have to be difficult to wade through and two, Baez strikes me as the type of attorney that would do whatever it takes to get his big payday. That includes pushing the envelope to the very edge or being unethical. JMO


Better yet why did Cindy deny that it ever happened? Just like she denied about the gas cans and GA reported them as being stolen.

[Joan Weiss]

So if Casey returned the cans to George on the 24th..Left the car on the 27th, how many of you think Caylee's body was in the trunk on the 24th?


I do!I do, too. She was determined that George wouldn't go into that trunk. She was nasty, too. According to George. imo

[Rayosunshine]

I wish someone, anyone, would step forward and claim responsibility for watching Caylee for the past two years. It's just not believable that Casey pulled off going to work everyday and leaving Caylee with a sitter. Someone somewhere knows the truth and I believe that person resides in the Anthony home. I think Caylee spent more time at home than we've been led to believe. Cindy just has too much control in that house. JMHO.

I also find it hard to believe that Cindy and George didn't think there was something fishy the whole time Caylee and Casey lived with them. Either they were walking around with blinders on or had their eyes and ears closed. If Casey didn't finish high school, how much money did her parents think she could make in a job; maybe not even enough to cover child care. Wouldn't you think they would know this? Makes me wonder just how much involvement they really had with Caylee. In George's interview he makes a statement that Cindy took care of Caylee every day, but think this was the week she took off for her birthday, only.

I would imagine there is an element of embarrassment on the part of the grandparent's, that they could be so well fooled by their daughter. I would be floored and believe me I would kick some butt bad, my daughter's know it too.