Tuesday, Sept.30 Morning

[WillowInFlight]

She was probly hopin they would ask her about that comment -then she could say-Zanny stole Casey's purse! or Zanny Amy or Zanny Jesse!
jmo...

I noticed, specially when Casey was being interviewed that LE cut her off at times, I wish they would have just let these people run with their stories. I think the way Casey and Cindy run off with the mouth something might have came out that maybe they could have used.

[callmetree]

I turned my neighbor to the dark side. Now we watch NG almost every night together. She's as hooked on the Anthony case as I am now. :D

my lovely daughter did the same to me. :punch: only i have to watch it with my not so better half. let me rephrase that.... he has to watch it with me. :lol: i think he is starting to tune nancy and myself out. oh well.... his loss.

[shelbar53]

I still don't see it .. :shrug:
relook at the 28th, she started using it right after midnight...was she on it all night? no sleep?

[Cury-us Coyote]

The receipt he saw was for the tow that she got when something something about flat tires (it was in his interview that was just released). He asked for receipts for the job that the friend did to her car but never got anything.

Awww - must be the tow Amy paid for and was never reimbursed.
jmo

[desmom]

Where was the car seat? I've asked a million times but haven't seen a link. I have heard the car seat was in the car which means the back seat must have been "up". And the baby doll and Casey's purse were also in the car.


LE's reports said the car seat was in the car along with some adult shoes, a belt and a case with CD/DVDs. I do not recall LE saying anything about a purse being in the car.

jmo

[day2day]

I noticed, specially when Casey was being interviewed that LE cut her off at times, I wish they would have just let these people run with their stories. I think the way Casey and Cindy run off with the mouth something might have came out that maybe they could have used.

I agree. I think they should have just let her talk. But i think they used ALOT of restraint knowing the amount of lies she told! i wonder if they lied like that to the fbi?!:eek:

[Regina.Lampert]

You just gave me te answer to a question i had.

Now I know why Casey wanted Amy to get a gas can on the 30th. She knew Tony would see her car at Amscot because it han't been towed yet. She was expecting it to be towed when she dropped it off but it wasn't when she went by there so she was going to get gas fro it and do whatever afterwards but when she went back it was gone.
All in my opinion

Thanks for your post. It just hit me like a brick lol


That is a great point!

[Joan Weiss]

In the interveiw with Cindy did anyone catch the spot where the detective moved her purse and he made some comment about he didn't want her to walk out of the room without it and she said...A woman never leaves her pusre, in a car or anywhere...
Now why did she bring up a woman leaving her purse in the car? HE wasn't even talking about a car...Odd statement when her daughters car was found with a purse in it, don't ya think...Why would she say that? It was around the 31:40 mark on the taped interview

http://www.wftv.com/video/17566546/index.htmlYou just rattled my brain. I think Casey's purse was in the car because she walked back to her parents after she abandoned the car, and she didn't want to carry it. She was intending to get the food and carry it back. She took her keys and her phone. She forgot to retrieve her purse when she came back with the food.

Okey dokey, now I think I have figured out the gas cans issue, and the purse in the car. Whew! Thanks to the poster who suggested the walking back to the Anthonys.

imo

[WinnieLeigh7]

I noticed, specially when Casey was being interviewed that LE cut her off at times, I wish they would have just let these people run with their stories. I think the way Casey and Cindy run off with the mouth something might have came out that maybe they could have used.


I agree.

No offense against LE, because I do trust in their abilities and believe they will get the justice Caylee rightfully deserves...

and I can only imagine their frustrations, as I personally wouldn't be able to restrain myself from literally beating the truth from Casey...


But I did find myself wanting to scream shut up, just shut up a few times LOL

let her talk...ya know.

People hate silence, it's uncomfortable (for the most part, other than an over exhausted mom)...

But the best way to get someone to talk is for you yourself to zap it.

And like you said, Casey (and Cindy) talk just to hear themselves talk...

let 'em talk!! The ramblings just may surprise you...

[need2no]

In the interveiw with Cindy did anyone catch the spot where the detective moved her purse and he made some comment about he didn't want her to walk out of the room without it and she said...A woman never leaves her pusre, in a car or anywhere...
Now why did she bring up a woman leaving her purse in the car? HE wasn't even talking about a car...Odd statement when her daughters car was found with a purse in it, don't ya think...Why would she say that? It was around the 31:40 mark on the taped interview

http://www.wftv.com/video/17566546/index.html

Yes, I also found that very weird, in addition while Cindy was rambling on (and I believe talking while LE was talking) she slid in something about George fixing breakfast for Caylee on the 16th which is NOT the way George told the events of June 16th, and Cindy had a different date regarding the day George discovered and reported the gas cans missing...she seemed confused about this which I found odd since I'm sure they've gone over it many times to get the story to jive between them.

[day2day]

Casey impersonator pics
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17589123/detail.html

[WinnieLeigh7]

As simple as it sounds...

I keep question why Casey is sooooooo sure that Caylee won't be found.

Does that make sense?

Why is she so confident in that?

Is it because of the method of disposal? The location of disposal? The timing? Assistance??

WHY?

[Joan Weiss]

The hairs, how did the hairs get out of the bag? Or, were the hairs deposited earlier, before a bag was used?There was a news link that stated LE had figured out how the body was positioned, so I don't think Caylee was in a bag in the trunk. I don't think there was a bag at all, I've read nothing official about that. The pants would absorb the smell without any fluids, they were in the back, on the floor of the smelly car. imo

[SandyO]

She did commit the perfect murder. After all, she searched the missing children website for 4 months prior to Caylee going missing. She's smart as heck, and knew exactly what she was doing. (If it can be proven she was the one doing the searches.) LE has their hands full on this one.

Can we say premeditation?

I can say "Evil Genius", Dunnie.

[snap4]

Prosecution doesn't have to prove motive, but I see a very clear motive in this case. Ridding herself of the responsibilities she was facing by moving out of her parents house and living th type of free lifestyle she wanted. Of course some will say that she could have just given Caylee up to her mother blah blah blah. Casey admits it herself she's a "Spteful B-word"

There is never a GOOD motive for killing a child to begin with so coming up with one that makes logical sense to thos of us who would never do such a thing is hard but IMO the motive in this case is very clear.

Agreed! Scott Peterson could have just divorced Laci, just as Casey could have just left Caylee with the grandmother but as we all know He didn't just divorce her now did he!! He would have then had to pay child support and have visitation disrupting his single ways.

The grandmother IMO would have demanded Casey visit her child and contribute financially whenever she could...no child...no further responsibilities!

[need2no]

Yep I saod the same way back...they continaully interupted Casey ....non stop and if they had let her ramble on and on ...they would have been able to pick up alot more ,but they were only interested in asking their own questions and getting stright answers back ,,,when all they had to do was LISTEN to her ............she would have tripped up .

Sorry to spout off gender bias...but I do believe a female LE officer would have been better at interviewing Casey....women are more detailed than men are...they just want to cut to the chase.
Just ask my DH...my details drive him nuts! :D

[shelbar53]

the link to the cell phone records are on yesterday monring thread...post 74.

[Joan Weiss]

LE's reports said the car seat was in the car along with some adult shoes, a belt and a case with CD/DVDs. I do not recall LE saying anything about a purse being in the car.

jmoCindy said boots, not shoes, and a purse on the front seat, IIRC. Didn't Casey tell Lee her purse was in the car? I can't remember.

[margaritaville]

As simple as it sounds...

I keep question why Casey is sooooooo sure that Caylee won't be found.

Does that make sense?

Why is she so confident in that?

Is it because of the method of disposal? The location of disposal? The timing? Assistance??

WHY?


Maybe that is the real reason Casey needed the two gas cans full of gas......So that Caylee is never found... burned up- nothing left......

Just a thought.............

[SavannahStar]

Hello all. I am not much of a poster but a reader. Thanks to all for the great information and ideas you have. Y'all keep me very informed.

Just a thougt~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Why not turn her loose and let her "tie on a good one" for a few nights?

LOOSE LIPS, SINK SHIPS

jmo

That is not allowed under the terms of her bond.

[Cury-us Coyote]

June 15 .. cell activity .. 00:15 - 23:44 .. activity all day
June 16 .. cell activity .. 00:20 - 23:17 .. activity all day
June 17 .. cell activity .. 10:52 - 23:28 .. activity all day
June 18 .. cell activity .. 00:10 - 18:57 .. activity all day
June 19 .. cell activity .. 08:32 - 22:38 .. activity all day
June 20 .. cell activity .. 00:22 - 23:25 .. activity all day




Which day did Padilla say there was NO activity again?

I've searched that cell log ..
There IS activity every single day ..

Could you find any activity to a unique tower Location Area Code - Call Id (LAC_CID) outside the Orlando area? TIA

[frances1]

I can say "Evil Genius", Dunnie.

Please! Casey is NO genius. Lies and liars cause confusion.

[Regina.Lampert]

But there is a 24 hr period of time from June 16th at 11:17PM EST on Monday until June 17th at 11:28PM EST.

That is VERY unlike CASEY IIRC from the NORMAL useage of her cell phones.

Wouldn't that be a 12 hour period?

June 16 .. cell activity .. 00:20 - 23:17 .. activity all day
June 17 .. cell activity .. 10:52 - 23:28 .. activity all day


From 6/16 at 11:17 pm to 6/17 at 10:52 AM. Even this 12 hour period is out of character for CA.

[shelbar53]

You recheck the log ..
Of course she slept .. :rolleyes:

I cant recheck the logs, im blind now from reading them in the first place. :D

[margaret kep]

Thanks, margaret but it says page cannot be displayed. :confused:

Typo error - sorry Pooh -http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/24/files_released_in_Casey_Anthony - I left out an underscore.

[WinnieLeigh7]

There was a news link that stated LE had figured out how the body was positioned, so I don't think Caylee was in a bag in the trunk. I don't think there was a bag at all, I've read nothing official about that. The pants would absorb the smell without any fluids, they were in the back, on the floor of the smelly car. imo

And what's the relevance to that??
Just another question I have...why did they make a point of stating 'evidence of position'??

What's the key behind her "positioning"

things that make you go hhhhmmmm

[snap4]

Yes, I also found that very weird, in addition while Cindy was rambling on (and I believe talking while LE was talking) she slid in something about George fixing breakfast for Caylee on the 16th which is NOT the way George told the events of June 16th, and Cindy had a different date regarding the day George discovered and reported the gas cans missing...she seemed confused about this which I found odd since I'm sure they've gone over it many times to get the story to jive between them.

Also in the interview she states very clearly she hadn't heard/spoken to/from Caylee since the 15/16th, but wasn't it her, in the beginning to have claimed to have gotten the mysterious phone call from Caylee like the day before, or the day of the time, they actually reported Caylee missing? Didn't she say she got a call from her that day?

[need2no]

Agreed! Scott Peterson could have just divorced Laci, just as Casey could have just left Caylee with the grandmother but as we all know He didn't just divorce her now did he!! He would have then had to pay child support and have visitation disrupting his single ways.

The grandmother IMO would have demanded Casey visit her child and contribute financially whenever she could...no child...no further responsibilities!

To give Caylee to Cindy would mean Cindy won, and confirm Casey was a rotten mother/a loser, and Casey wouldn't have gotten her much coveted revenge against Cindy that had probably been brewing in her for years. Additionally Casey would have been on her own financially. :eek:

In the convo Cindy had with Casey in the car (before LE picked up), she ended with 'and you will never..........
I assume she was about to say you will never see her again.

[day2day]

I don't think I'd wantto be walking around or sitting outside that house LOOKING like Casey. :eek:

Hmm...you could be right...
run casey run!!

[shelbar53]

Yes, I also found that very weird, in addition while Cindy was rambling on (and I believe talking while LE was talking) she slid in something about George fixing breakfast for Caylee on the 16th which is NOT the way George told the events of June 16th, and Cindy had a different date regarding the day George discovered and reported the gas cans missing...she seemed confused about this which I found odd since I'm sure they've gone over it many times to get the story to jive between them.

Yep she said george fixed breakfast and that wasnt said before

[Joan Weiss]

And what's the relevance to that??
Just another question I have...why did they make a point of stating 'evidence of position'??

What's the key behind her "positioning"

things that make you go hhhhmmmmPriming Casey for a plea bargain, to tell where Caylee is in exchange for no DP? "Old Sparky" is pretty scary.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Also in the interview she states very clearly she hadn't heard/spoken to/from Caylee since the 15/16th, but wasn't it her, in the beginning to have claimed to have gotten the mysterious phone call from Caylee like the day before, or the day of the time, they actually reported Caylee missing? Didn't she say she got a call from her that day?

And whatever happened to Great Grandma speaking to her?? SUPPOSEDLY

[need2no]

Also in the interview she states very clearly she hadn't heard/spoken to/from Caylee since the 15/16th, but wasn't it her, in the beginning to have claimed to have gotten the mysterious phone call from Caylee like the day before, or the day of the time, they actually reported Caylee missing? Didn't she say she got a call from her that day?


No, Cindy said she believed her mother also, (like Casey), had gotten a phone call from Caylee on 7/15.
How could Cindy and Casey be so stupid as to not realize this could be proven as flat out lies?

[?noanswer]

I agree.

No offense against LE, because I do trust in their abilities and believe they will get the justice Caylee rightfully deserves...

and I can only imagine their frustrations, as I personally wouldn't be able to restrain myself from literally beating the truth from Casey...


But I did find myself wanting to scream shut up, just shut up a few times LOL

let her talk...ya know.

People hate silence, it's uncomfortable (for the most part, other than an over exhausted mom)...

But the best way to get someone to talk is for you yourself to zap it.

And like you said, Casey (and Cindy) talk just to hear themselves talk...

let 'em talk!! The ramblings just may surprise you...

One of the reasons they had to intervene with Cindy's ramblings is because she could only stay for a certain amount of time - another appointment. Guess they could have called her in again and maybe they did. I was impressed that LE knew that Casey had not been to Tampa in that Cindy's interview was only 2 weeks after Casey was arrested. LE had been BUSY. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

Also in the interview she states very clearly she hadn't heard/spoken to/from Caylee since the 15/16th, but wasn't it her, in the beginning to have claimed to have gotten the mysterious phone call from Caylee like the day before, or the day of the time, they actually reported Caylee missing? Didn't she say she got a call from her that day?

I thought Casey said she got the phone call, went to call back and the number, that was a private number to begin with was no longer in service and I thought Cindy said her mother also got a phone call from Caylee.

[OneUp]

Morning all. I'm so far behind that I doubt I'll ever get caught up! But it does seem there weren't many developments since yesterday morning...
I was pleased with Sheriff Beary's statements. s i have said often, this is a complicated case, made even more complex by all of the conflicting lies and tall tales. I don't think it will be allowed to go back on the shelf. The LEO involved have made this one personal, and they aren't about to fail Little Caylee.
I was sorry Richard Grund was allowed so little time on Nancy G. last night, not surprised but still sorry. I appreciate the man and his integrity even if he is not entirely my "cup of tea". I do believe he feels it important that the public realize just what the household was like...not just "under pressure", but in daily life. I agree that a part of the story now is the history of the people involved.
I'll read backwards and try to catch up.
...later...reading..:read:
I did listen to Georges interview yesterday, BTW...I found it more honest and heartfelt than Cindy's, but to be honest...it was strained and evasive at times too IMO.
Always all, JMO.

[WinnieLeigh7]

One of the reasons they had to intervene with Cindy's ramblings is because she could only stay for a certain amount of time - another appointment. Guess they could have called her in again and maybe they did. I was impressed that LE knew that Casey had not been to Tampa in that Cindy's interview was only 2 weeks after Casey was arrested. LE had been BUSY. JMO

Haven't got to listen to Cindy's...*sigh*

No speakers at work and kiddies at home, I've started and never get past the first 5 minutse of part 1 LOL

was more referring to Casey's (as that's the only one I have knowledge of)

What's the Tampa story?? I obviously missed that too
(I should put myself in time out LOL)

[desmom]

Then the lines of communication are definitely broken. What about Caylee's favorite doll being in the car.... the one she always took with her everywhere. :shrug:

Page 294 of the 400 pages of documents released by LE.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Cindy said boots, not shoes, and a purse on the front seat, IIRC. Didn't Casey tell Lee her purse was in the car? I can't remember.

WHEN, did GA say he say a black leather-like bag that looked new and the blue folding (?) crate/container with hangers? TIA

[?noanswer]

And what's the relevance to that??
Just another question I have...why did they make a point of stating 'evidence of position'??

What's the key behind her "positioning"

things that make you go hhhhmmmm

Maybe they meant they could tell it was a body as opposed to "pizza". JMO

[shelbar53]

Morning all. I'm so far behind that I doubt I'll ever get caught up! But it does seem there weren't many developments since yesterday morning...
I was pleased with Sheriff Beary's statements. s i have said often, this is a complicated case, made even more complex by all of the conflicting lies and tall tales. I don't think it will be allowed to go back on the shelf. The LEO involved have made this one personal, and they aren't about to fail Little Caylee.
I was sorry Richard Grund was allowed so little time on Nancy G. last night, not surprised but still sorry. I appreciate the man and his integrity even if he is not entirely my "cup of tea". I do believe he feels it important that the public realize just what the household was like...not just "under pressure", but in daily life. I agree that a part of the story now is the history of the people involved.
I'll read backwards and try to catch up.
...later...reading..:read:
I did listen to Georges interview yesterday, BTW...I found it more honest and heartfelt than Cindy's, but to be honest...it was strained and evasive at times too IMO.
Always all, JMO.

HI. the only new thing is that LE asked the anthonys to please hold the vigils inside their home or the backyard.

[crymeariver2006]

Wouldn't that be a 12 hour period?

June 16 .. cell activity .. 00:20 - 23:17 .. activity all day
June 17 .. cell activity .. 10:52 - 23:28 .. activity all day


From 6/16 at 11:17 pm to 6/17 at 10:52 AM. Even this 12 hour period is out of character for CA.

Yes it is out of character and I think those are the pings that were the basis for TES searching where they did.

[WillowInFlight]

Has anyone seen a list of the witnesses?

[not.another]

And what's the relevance to that??
Just another question I have...why did they make a point of stating 'evidence of position'??

What's the key behind her "positioning"

things that make you go hhhhmmmm


Yes...that really made me sick to my stomach when I read that!

[klock777]

Besides Annie's, JP's. Am sure there are many others also.

Wonder what the problem with the other LE that lost their job over this case was? I don't recall anything further about it.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

ZFG interview is missing,too.

[shelbar53]

Haven't got to listen to Cindy's...*sigh*

No speakers at work and kiddies at home, I've started and never get past the first 5 minutse of part 1 LOL

was more referring to Casey's (as that's the only one I have knowledge of)

What's the Tampa story?? I obviously missed that too
(I should put myself in time out LOL)

when you get time listen to part 2 first..but watch the video also to see cindys body language. I bet the one cop was ready to blow his lid when he told cindy not to stand behind him and she responded by saying something to the effect..sorry i didnt mean to intimidate you. i bet LE is still laughing over that comment

[warrkat]

I know the banding on decomposing hair was discussed but I have a question.
How long does it take for hair to fall out of a decomposing body?

Does it fall out (on its own)? I'll see what I can find, but I don't think it does, at least not any more than would be usual in the course of daily activities.
Get back to ya in a minute.

Here's what I found:
WikiAnswers - When a person dies do they lose lots of hair I.e. ...

Almost everything I found had to do with hair falling out because of chemo, so I'm heading back to the search results to find a "magic potion," and see if I can get mine to grow back faster. LOL

[WinnieLeigh7]

Maybe they meant they could tell it was a body as opposed to "pizza". JMO

Maybe

There has to be some relevance to 'positioning'

and how would they determine that anyway??


Dunno, there's just an answer there IMO, but I can finger point it.

[?noanswer]

Haven't got to listen to Cindy's...*sigh*

No speakers at work and kiddies at home, I've started and never get past the first 5 minutse of part 1 LOL

was more referring to Casey's (as that's the only one I have knowledge of)

What's the Tampa story?? I obviously missed that too
(I should put myself in time out LOL)

I understand the "no time", but if it were me I would listen to Cindy's. It is an eye opener. The Tampa part is where Casey was supposedly on a business trip with Julliette. Zenaida and her sister Raquel was with them baby sitting Caylee and Juliette's child. The funny part was that Casey was there on the 24th (same day she returned gas cans). Le finally interrupted Cindy and told her that the story was a fabrication. Casey had never been there. There is a lot more to the story. I can't believe Casey has such a vivid imagination. As I've said before, she should have been an author. She could twist up a story better than S. King. JMO

[?noanswer]

Maybe

There has to be some relevance to 'positioning'

and how would they determine that anyway??


Dunno, there's just an answer there IMO, but I can finger point it.

By the shape of the stain. JMO

[anyonesguess]

Nope!
Check the records ..

Michele, I am going by the records you posted.


June 16 .. cell activity .. 00:20 - 23:17 .. activity all day
June 17 .. cell activity .. 10:52 - 23:28 .. activity all day

That is a 24hr period of time, to be exact it is 24 hrs and 11 minutes where there was NO activity.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Casey Impersonator Joins Protests, Residents "More Than Fed Up"
http://www.wftv.com/news/17587671/detail.html

RAW INTERVIEW: Casey Anthony Impersonator Outside Family's Home
http://www.wftv.com/video/17589277/index.html

[WinnieLeigh7]

I understand the "no time", but if it were me I would listen to Cindy's. It is an eye opener. The Tampa part is where Casey was supposedly on a business trip with Julliette. Zenaida and her sister Raquel was with them baby sitting Caylee and Juliette's child. The funny part was that Casey was there on the 24th (same day she returned gas cans). Le finally interrupted Cindy and told her that the story was a fabrication. Casey had never been there. There is a lot more to the story. I can't believe Casey has such a vivid imagination. As I've said before, she should have been an author. She could twist up a story better than S. King. JMO


Thanks. I hope to listen to it soon...(can anyone link Cindy Interview, Part, 1, 2, 3 under links?) Thanks! :)


And don't you worry now, I think Casey and Cindy are working on that book deal that would blow Stephen out the water!! :rolleyes:

[WinnieLeigh7]

By the shape of the stain. JMO

Can you elaborate for me?

What do you think the stain was? (blood, body fluids, urine, etc.) and how would that confirm positioning? (Bent over, face down/up, on side, etc.)

[Regina.Lampert]

I'm guessing this has already been discussed and recussed, but I think the combination of the cell phone records & the cell pings together are going to lead to Caylee, because they are the only true tracers of Casey's daily activities before, during & after Caylee went missing.

Casey didn't work for 2 yrs so there's a lot of time unaccounted for. She & Caylee had to be somewhere during the time she wasn't working and it's probably where she was during those times that will solve a lot of answers once they investigate the trail she left. Since most people tend to find a routine and stick to it, there's probably at least some sort of routine back and forth to certain places at certain times of the day.

I believe that too. Add in casey anthony's recent airport trips and I think she found the perfect location to put that little girl. Keep in mind too that is where Tim Miller searched, after consultation with LE. When the water level goes down, Tim will return and find Caylee, I have no doubt about that.

[GrannyB]

You just rattled my brain. I think Casey's purse was in the car because she walked back to her parents after she abandoned the car, and she didn't want to carry it. She was intending to get the food and carry it back. She took her keys and her phone. She forgot to retrieve her purse when she came back with the food.

Okey dokey, now I think I have figured out the gas cans issue, and the purse in the car. Whew! Thanks to the poster who suggested the walking back to the Anthonys.

imo

What was in that purse? The purse Lee got from Tony's apt had her wallet , id, and money in it.

[WinnieLeigh7]

You just rattled my brain. I think Casey's purse was in the car because she walked back to her parents after she abandoned the car, and she didn't want to carry it. She was intending to get the food and carry it back. She took her keys and her phone. She forgot to retrieve her purse when she came back with the food.

Okey dokey, now I think I have figured out the gas cans issue, and the purse in the car. Whew! Thanks to the poster who suggested the walking back to the Anthonys.

imo


But why?

Was she going home before she ran out of gas, to get the groceries?

If not, why walk home to get groceries then return and call Tony?

Why get groceries in general?


and how come there seems to be all these 'return' trips home and no one 'notices', none of the family (other than on the 24th) ever sees her, inquires about Caylee?

I mean she goes home for clothes? steal gas? food? swim?


WHY?

[Ladyhawk]

No, Cindy said she believed her mother also, (like Casey), had gotten a phone call from Caylee on 7/15.
How could Cindy and Casey be so stupid as to not realize this could be proven as flat out lies?

Evidently CSI didn't have enough programs that involved cell phones and their records so Casey may not have been as informed as she would have been if she would have researched it herself online. Cindy probably believed what Casey told her. jmo

[OneUp]

Maybe

There has to be some relevance to 'positioning'

and how would they determine that anyway??


Dunno, there's just an answer there IMO, but I can finger point it.
Regarding the determination of the positioning of a body. To put it delicately, the fluids from the remains could either seep through any somewhat porus covering and leave a stain under the body ( possibly invisible to the naked eye, but apparent under Blacklight, etc.), or they might drain through a tear in a less porus wrap ( like trash bags) and pool aroud the body. Either of these might make the position of the body easy to determine with the proper equipment and methods. The phrase "position of the body" might also have been meant to mean the LOCATION of the body within the trunk....just a slight mis-statement. She may have been placed within the wheel well for example. A child the size of my 1 1/2 year old would easily fit in one. It depends how much bigger Caylee was whether or not she might fit in Casey's spare tire spot.
Talking about this just makes me queasy. I tried to be clear when explaining this though.
JMO.

[warrkat]

Does it fall out (on its own)? I'll see what I can find, but I don't think it does, at least not any more than would be usual in the course of daily activities.
Get back to ya in a minute.

Here's what I found:
WikiAnswers - When a person dies do they lose lots of hair I.e. ...

Almost everything I found had to do with hair falling out because of chemo, so I'm heading back to the search results to find a "magic potion," and see if I can get mine to grow back faster. LOL

Excuse me for quoting myself..... I did that link wrong, and can't fix it, so I'll just say that
what the link said was that as the body decomposes, the skin relaxes its grip on the hair, but it's an extended period of time. I take that to mean that there wouldn't have been an extraordinary amount of hair in the trunk, even if the body had started to decompose. jmo

[klock777]

Yes, I recall George saying he wanted to be sure she wasn't overcharged and he saw a receipt in or on her armoire. IIRC from Cindy's tour of Casey's bedroom the armoire had a TV on the top of it, so I assume the receipt was IN the armoire, not on it. My first thought was why was George going through her armoire, followed by did the receipt look legit and did he turn it over to LE. Oh and....who paid for this work to be done, if in fact it was done?


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Are you sure the one he saw wasn't for the tow bill that Amy loaned her the money for- had car towed to the house? I think maybe that was the receipt he saw, but had told her to bring receipts from oil change done by Jeff Hopkins' friend while she was in Jacksonville

[WinnieLeigh7]

Regarding the determination of the positioning of a body. To put it delicately, the fluids from the remains could either seep through any somewhat porus covering and leave a stain under the body ( possibly invisible to the naked eye, but apparent under Blacklight, etc.), or they might drain through a tear in a less porus wrap ( like trash bags) and pool aroud the body. Either of these might make the position of the body easy to determine with the proper equipment and methods. The phrase "position of the body" might also have been meant to mean the LOCATION of the body within the trunk....just a slight mis-statement. She may have been placed within the wheel well for example. A child the size of my 1 1/2 year old would easily fit in one. It depends how much bigger Caylee was whether or not she might fit in Casey's spare tire spot.
Talking about this just makes me queasy. I tried to be clear when explaining this though.
JMO.


yea me too...


Thank you though, that helps with some questionings :)

[shelbar53]

That statement she made bugs the h3ll out of me. Also saying "George and I gave your free reign" and the complaining they dont get minute by minute updates, esp on the "tips" they provide to LE. Who does she think she is? LE doesn't need your permission or free reign if they need something, they will subpeona and SW and get it. Great Balls of Fire, I say, to even THINK she could POSSIBLY "intimidate' LE/ homicide detectives. Even if you are innocent, aren't you a bit paranoid in a situation like that? I am sure I would be. She has a real real sense of self importance, it kind of amazes me she is a nurse, seems an 'off' profession for her. jmo.

Nurse rachette

[nc1948]

I think we all should meet somewhere with chalkboads and calenders and dry erase boards and hash it all out and get the timelines straight and who said what. :biggrin:

Sounds lie a good idea. I will order 3 cases of markers, that should get us past the first day.

[ilovemylife]

Was everyone else aware that there was a washed flatware knife in the trunk of Caseys car? among other things....

I didn't. I missed that.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Help Find Caylee Website is back. Includes multiple trust agreements, bank statements, signature cards, deposit slips and Paypay account info.
http://www.helpfindcaylee.com/help

[Ladyhawk]

I believe that too. Add in casey anthony's recent airport trips and I think she found the perfect location to put that little girl. Keep in mind too that is where Tim Miller searched, after consultation with LE. When the water level goes down, Tim will return and find Caylee, I have no doubt about that.

And to add that when they do find her, there will also be something of Casey's, easily identifiable in photographs as hers, that was accidently left behind.

[shelbar53]

I took it differently. She apologized immediately when he said he wasn't used to anyone standing behind him while he took notes, and asked if he wanted her to sit down. I took it that by the word intimidate, she simply meant that she hadn't meant to bug him. Just how I looked at it.

No I took that differently also. I think it was a dig to LE. LE is probably thinking to themselves...who the heck does she think she is...her intimidate them. all the more reason to get her...they will show her who can be intimidating. cindys aplogies are calculated...I dont think she meant that, people that controlling dont just apologize because they really are sorry..they feel they have nothing to be sorry for, so her saying sorry was meant to get that intimiated jab in.

[GIGI4256]

It really is horrid to think of -- no one seems to think she's mentally ill, but it makes you wonder just how sick your mind would have to be to look at, let alone handle, your own child's body after it was decomposing if you think about just exactly what that means. I don't see how a person in their right mind could do that.

We are not supposed to understand how evil minds work. Remember Sheila LaBarre? She was pure evil and a huge liar just like Casey. JMO

[anyonesguess]

That's just over 11 hours ..

Same on the the 28-29th ..

Michele,

How do you figure that?

June 16 .. cell activity .. 00:20 - 23:17 .. activity all day
June 17 .. cell activity .. 10:52 - 23:28 .. activity all day

Her call on June 16th was for 20 seconds at 11:17PM EST
Her call on June 17th was for 10minutes 52 seconds at 11:28PMEST

That is 24 hrs imo.

[shelbar53]

Was everyone else aware that there was a washed flatware knife in the trunk of Caseys car? among other things....

I didn't. I missed that.
Yes I read that along time ago. but I drive around with a sissor and plyers in my glove compartment. plus {clean} tupperwear containers under the seat. who knows why that stuff gets in your car but you never remove it until the big car washing day.

[WinnieLeigh7]

All I have to say if there is something like an outline of little Caylee in the trunk, and its decomp, why the heck is Casey not in jail, I mean what more do they need, please dont say a body because that is not going to prove anything at this point. moo

I don't think they "need" anything more...

but are going to let it ride itself out for now (b/c they can with her other charges) in hopes of a body...

not for evidence purposes, but to personally give Caylee a resting place with diginity!

[shelbar53]

ok... we will just have to agree that we disagree. :)

OK i will agree to that:beer:

[Regina.Lampert]

All I have to say if there is something like an outline of little Caylee in the trunk, and its decomp, why the heck is Casey not in jail, I mean what more do they need, please dont say a body because that is not going to prove anything at this point. moo

Once again, I think there is enough evidence to support a charge of homicide, but LE is still determing the level. In other words, which of these, courtesy of Impartial:


Murder 1 ... premeditated; felony murder rule

Murder 2 ... homicide with malice, but without premeditation.

Voluntary Manslaughter ... unlawful and intentional killing of a human being, but without malice.

Involuntary Manslaugher ... unlawful killing of a human being without malice either express or implied, and without intent to kill or to inflict the injury causing death, committed accidentally in the commission of some unlawful act not felonious, or in the improper performance of an act lawful in itself.

[ilovemylife]

Yes I read that along time ago. but I drive around with a sissor and plyers in my glove compartment. plus {clean} tupperwear containers under the seat. who knows why that stuff gets in your car but you never remove it until the big car washing day.



True. I had just never read about all the items found I guess.


Within these pages, investigators note that scratches appeared on the Casey’s car trunk---the trunk that smelled foul and had a suspicious stain that was DNA tested. Furthermore, the car contained a washed flatware knife, a Dora the Explorer backpack, a child’s toothbrush, a dark colored belt, and a black leather bag.

Here's the link....

http://crime.suite101.com/article.cfm/new_information_released_in_caylee_anthony_case

[WinnieLeigh7]

It really is horrid to think of -- no one seems to think she's mentally ill, but it makes you wonder just how sick your mind would have to be to look at, let alone handle, your own child's body after it was decomposing if you think about just exactly what that means. I don't see how a person in their right mind could do that.

She's sick, no doubt about that...

but she knows right from wrong (thus the covering of her own rear)

For that reason alone, she's not "insane"


IMO

[lonetraveler]

I don't see where Casey had a problem with Caylee. Her parents supplied fnancially for Caylee, they babysat anytime Casey wanted. If they didn't babysit she took her with her. I haven't heard any of her friends say she complained about Caylee. Where was the problem?


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I don't think that the Anthonys babysat anytime that Casey wanted them to. Both the grandparents had full time jobs. One of the reasons Casey came up with such outlandish lies was so that she could be out at night either partying or sleeping around. I don't think that she dragged Caylee around with her when partying or sleeping around because she wanted too. I believe that Cindy was trying to get her to stay at home and take care of her baby, to be a mother to Caylee. To take responsibility as a mother to Caylee. Casey told lies about working late so that she could get her parents to babysit. I think that she had a problem getting them to babysit for her to just be wild, drink, party and sleep around. Caylee became a problem for Casey because Caylee tied Casey down too much for her to continue her new romance and new party lifestyle.

[num1barb]

Wouldn't that be a 12 hour period?

June 16 .. cell activity .. 00:20 - 23:17 .. activity all day
June 17 .. cell activity .. 10:52 - 23:28 .. activity all day


From 6/16 at 11:17 pm to 6/17 at 10:52 AM. Even this 12 hour period is out of character for CA.

Yep, my thoughts exactly.

[anyonesguess]

Wouldn't that be a 12 hour period?

June 16 .. cell activity .. 00:20 - 23:17 .. activity all day
June 17 .. cell activity .. 10:52 - 23:28 .. activity all day


From 6/16 at 11:17 pm to 6/17 at 10:52 AM. Even this 12 hour period is out of character for CA.

Agree about the 12 hrs being a long time even for Casey, but isn't the first time listed the LENGTH of the call?

[lonetraveler]

Yes I read that along time ago. but I drive around with a sissor and plyers in my glove compartment. plus {clean} tupperwear containers under the seat. who knows why that stuff gets in your car but you never remove it until the big car washing day.


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The uniqueness of the washed knife is because Cindy removed it from the car, along with a pair of pants belonging to Casey, washed it and returned the knife to the car.

[margaret kep]

And to add that when they do find her, there will also be something of Casey's, easily identifiable in photographs as hers, that was accidently left behind.

I remember hearing GA say that he and Cindy had planned a trip to see HIS parents who lived about an hour away. They cancelled that trip, but my question is - did LE search the grounds of GA's parents home. Just wondering....another possible place to search.

[?noanswer]

Can you elaborate for me?

What do you think the stain was? (blood, body fluids, urine, etc.) and how would that confirm positioning? (Bent over, face down/up, on side, etc.)


Body fluids from the decomposing body. JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

And to add that when they do find her, there will also be something of Casey's, easily identifiable in photographs as hers, that was accidently left behind.

It's my opinion and I think others agree with me, that certain something has already been found by Tim. That's why the search was halted, because they know Caylee is under water, in a specific area and did not want to take a chance on the remains being trampled on by a horse or search vehicle.

[num1barb]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

ZFG interview is missing,too.

I believe (and read somewhere) that LE did not release all of their evidence, they are withholding the evidence that will be presented to the grand jury.

[nana6]

Good afternoon friends of Caylee's, I thought it was intersting to hear that Cindy will not give LE her credit card bills only the receipts. Now, why do u suppose that is? Must be because she does not want them to see everything that was charged (choroform maybe ?) It would be one thing if this case only delt with Casey but it appears that they have to figure out who else in that family was involved if at all!! The nore difficult the A's make this case for LE the more I believe they are resigned to go all the way with 1st degree. Time is in their side.

[nc1948]

That statement she made bugs the h3ll out of me. Also saying "George and I gave your free reign" and the complaining they dont get minute by minute updates, esp on the "tips" they provide to LE. Who does she think she is? LE doesn't need your permission or free reign if they need something, they will subpeona and SW and get it. Great Balls of Fire, I say, to even THINK she could POSSIBLY "intimidate' LE/ homicide detectives. Even if you are innocent, aren't you a bit paranoid in a situation like that? I am sure I would be. She has a real real sense of self importance, it kind of amazes me she is a nurse, seems an 'off' profession for her. jmo.

Her entitlement attitude amazes me I would totally be incoherent if my Grandchild was missing. And here she is giving LE insructions. I too am surprised at her choice of career. I just don't see this as a match for her.

[steffaroob4]

On Monday, June 9th about 5pm casey is at Ricardo's until at least 9:42 am on June 10th. Casey cell records sure are backing up her friends stories.

I am trying to see if Casey had a habit of leaving the home in the day, like she was going to work, then coming back home after GA left, but there is only one week to look at, so these records aren't much help to see her habits. Plus,:mad: GA changed jobs in here somewhere:shrug:

[Regina.Lampert]

Agree about the 12 hrs being a long time even for Casey, but isn't the first time listed the LENGTH of the call?

Okay, there's where you are having trouble. No, the first number is the time of the first call, the second number is the time of the last call. They are using military time.

[shelbar53]

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I don't think that the Anthonys babysat anytime that Casey wanted them to. Both the grandparents had full time jobs. One of the reasons Casey came up with such outlandish lies was so that she could be out at night either partying or sleeping around. I don't think that she dragged Caylee around with her when partying or sleeping around because she wanted too. I believe that Cindy was trying to get her to stay at home and take care of her baby, to be a mother to Caylee. To take responsibility as a mother to Caylee. Casey told lies about working late so that she could get her parents to babysit. I think that she had a problem getting them to babysit for her to just be wild, drink, party and sleep around. Caylee became a problem for Casey because Caylee tied Casey down too much for her to continue her new romance and new party lifestyle.

I wonder what the "normal' evenings were like. Cindy didnt get home until 6pm or later if she stopped off at the grocery store. who made dinner? were they all their to eat. who did the dishes? who watched caylee in the evening, who gave her a bath and put her to bed? what time did casey fake going to work, what were her routine hours.

[forensicnut]

Slightly off topic.....but, does anyone know when the supposed chloroform searchs were done? Lee said that the laptop computer had belonged to Cindy, up until about a month before Casey started using it. I'm assuming it's about the same time she left for a month.

:shrug:

[Ladyhawk]

Michele,

How do you figure that?

June 16 .. cell activity .. 00:20 - 23:17 .. activity all day
June 17 .. cell activity .. 10:52 - 23:28 .. activity all day

Her call on June 16th was for 20 seconds at 11:17PM EST
Her call on June 17th was for 10minutes 52 seconds at 11:28PMEST

That is 24 hrs imo.

Is the 20sec call on 6-16 the only call that day? and
Are there other calls after the 10min call on the 17th? and
what does "activity all day" mean?

TIA

[WillowInFlight]

Good afternoon friends of Caylee's, I thought it was intersting to hear that Cindy will not give LE her credit card bills only the receipts. Now, why do u suppose that is? Must be because she does not want them to see everything that was charged (choroform maybe ?) It would be one thing if this case only delt with Casey but it appears that they have to figure out who else in that family was involved if at all!! The nore difficult the A's make this case for LE the more I believe they are resigned to go all the way with 1st degree. Time is in their side.

If LE really wanted them and Cindy refusing to hand them over can't they get a subpoena.

[shelbar53]

On Monday, June 9th about 5pm casey is at Ricardo's until at least 9:42 am on June 10th. Casey cell records sure are backing up her friends stories.

I am trying to see if Casey had a habit of leaving the home in the day, like she was going to work, then coming back home after GA left, but there is only one week to look at, so these records aren't much help to see her habits. Plus,:mad: GA changed jobs in here somewhere:shrug:

no there is more, keep scrolling down, it takes several seconds for the next pages to come up. there are a total of 5 links, each link has severa days on them

[honibugs]

Are there written transcripts of Cindy and George's interviews anywhere? I cannot get audio where I am at and I need to see what they have to say. Sorry if this has already been asked. Thanks.

[anyonesguess]

Okay, there's where you are having trouble. No, the first number is the time of the first call, the second number is the time of the last call. They are using military time.

Ok, I am wrong then. On my cell phone records, the first number is the length of the call, and the 2nd portion is the time of the call.

[frances1]

I thought Casey said she got the phone call, went to call back and the number, that was a private number to begin with was no longer in service and I thought Cindy said her mother also got a phone call from Caylee.

If I'm not mistaken, Casey claimed she herself spoke to Caylee briefly during that phone call, not Cindy.

[5boxersmom]

I wonder if the Dora the Explorer backpack is the one GA was talking aobut? Dora's sidekick is a monkey.

[nana6]

It's my opinion and I think others agree with me, that certain something has already been found by Tim. That's why the search was halted, because they know Caylee is under water, in a specific area and did not want to take a chance on the remains being trampled on by a horse or search vehicle.

HI Regina, ITA with you.. Yes, Tim left very abruptly. I too think they found something, maybe turned it in to LE or are coming back. They said they would be back. They were very very closed mouthed when they left and I thought they seemed a little sad.:rose:

[Regina.Lampert]

Ok, so if they have evidence, why not go for the big one? You know for sure the child is dead and she was last with her pathological mother, what is the least she can get, if they try her for murder one, the jury cant say, well, we find her guilty of murder in the 2nd degree or even manslaughter?

Something is going to stick, right?

I think they are doing their best to rule out an accident. Personally, I think they will go for the entire ball of wax and charge Murder in the first degree. DP may be negotiated if the odious one starts telling the truth.

[steffaroob4]

no there is more, keep scrolling down, it takes several seconds for the next pages to come up. there are a total of 5 links, each link has severa days on them


I meant the records start at June 1st, it would be more helpful to see Mays call habits, I downloaded all the records, much easier to see them that way.

[nana6]

no there is more, keep scrolling down, it takes several seconds for the next pages to come up. there are a total of 5 links, each link has severa days on them

Ya know, I bet LE has spoken with neighbors to see if any of them have ever seen Casey come home after George would leave for work.

[WillowInFlight]

If I'm not mistaken, Casey claimed she herself spoke to Caylee briefly during that phone call, not Cindy.

Yes thats what my post said.

[Regina.Lampert]

HI Regina, ITA with you.. Yes, Tim left very abruptly. I too think they found something, maybe turned it in to LE or are coming back. They said they would be back. They were very very closed mouthed when they left and I thought they seemed a little sad.:rose:

Oh yes, Tim had just gotten hundreds of people involved in searching, surely there were other areas where they could have been utilized. They stopped tho. The only reasonable explanation is that they found something very significant pointing to where Caylee was, that at that point in time (high water level) they couldn't search.

[day2day]

I think they are doing their best to rule out an accident. Personally, I think they will go for the entire ball of wax and charge Murder in the first degree. DP may be negotiated if the odious one starts telling the truth.

I pray you are right!

Caylee:rose:

[nc1948]

Help Find Caylee Website is back. Includes multiple trust agreements, bank statements, signature cards, deposit slips and Paypay account info.
http://www.helpfindcaylee.com/help


They can post all about the donations they need. They can ask for t-shirt donations and yet furthur down sell for a donaton of $10.00. They also want snacks and water. For who? But they cannot get her age correct. They are not about Caylee.

[nana6]

I remember hearing GA say that he and Cindy had planned a trip to see HIS parents who lived about an hour away. They cancelled that trip, but my question is - did LE search the grounds of GA's parents home. Just wondering....another possible place to search.

yes, and what about those storage units that Lee has? They should be searched, as well as any attic or crawl space that the Anthony's have. I imagine that this has been done though I never heard anything about searching inside their home.

[Ladyhawk]

It's my opinion and I think others agree with me, that certain something has already been found by Tim. That's why the search was halted, because they know Caylee is under water, in a specific area and did not want to take a chance on the remains being trampled on by a horse or search vehicle.

I agree with you Regina, but I'm not sure that what I am thinking of was what was found because it's too small but I could be wrong. I don't know that they would have even been alerted to look for it.

[?noanswer]

If I'm not mistaken, Casey claimed she herself spoke to Caylee briefly during that phone call, not Cindy.


Cindy's mother received two calls, both of which she said sounded like a recording and not really like Caylee. Would not surprise me if it was Casey trying to mimic a child in the call. Just part of the "plan". JMO

[WinnieLeigh7]

Do you really believe LE are stalling just so they can give proper burial at this point? The elements are against them and its been over 100 days that child has been dead. The cops cant be in denial that recovery is even very probable at this point, so why not if they know for sure the little girl is dead, why is Casey still out?

All I am saying is it sure doesn't make any sense to me at all. MOO:flamemad:

No, I don't really think they are stalling just to give her a proper burial, but I do think they have all come to love Caylee, as the nation has and on a personal level would really like to give her that. I believe they have their doubts as much as the rest of us (or more) that that recovery won't happen.

But in the meantime
they're making the evidence "iron clad" to make sure they can answer for any possible "reasonable doubt" that JB make poke at for holes.
(they answered that themselves)

and why not? Casey isn't going anywhere right now, she has other charges to face, why rush? To only get slapped with 'speedy trial' and for whatever small percentage it is, have someone have that itsy bitsy 'doubt'. I mean look at the board...
it's less than a handful, but there are still people that question what to me seems to be obvious truths.

And well, I'm not so sure they aren't trying to build their puzzle and connections to possible assistance either.

Granted according to statements they have "Cleared" this person and that...
but I'm not too sure about that...
just like "Casey isn't a suspect"----uh huh...okayyyy......not buying!



They need more than 'Caylee's dead'---Caylee was in the trunk


WHO exactly is responsible? (pretty obvious it's Casey, right? but then some people throw Cindy in the mix, maybe not so obvious...)
WHO did the chloroform searches, another example.

Etc. Etc.

Lots of lies, but not only Casey...
and a very twisted puzzle to try to straighten out!!


IMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

Based on other mid-August events, what's your best guess of the stimulus prompting Casey's 8/14 request to Sheriff Beary for a meeting with GA (only)? Can you identify the word Casey crossed out in the hand-written letter? Was the request granted? Did the meeting occur? TIA
Letter to Sheriff Beary
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564742.pdf

Fox News event timeline
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=DFAB3AC3CED974C8400D6FE707A8FDB5 ?contentId=7536894&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

[WillowInFlight]

They can post all about the donations they need. They can ask for t-shirt donations and yet furthur down sell for a donaton of $10.00. They also want snacks and water. For who? But they cannot get her age correct. They are not about Caylee.
I think they are keeping the age the same because thats how old she was when she was "misplaced". JMO

[nana6]

Cindy returned the knife to the car?????????

Let's see, she is married to an officer, has she never heard of obstruction of justice?

[101Spots]

Help Find Caylee Website is back. Includes multiple trust agreements, bank statements, signature cards, deposit slips and Paypay account info.
http://www.helpfindcaylee.com/help

Well, well, well, isn't this interesting. Paragraph 4 (h) of the Sept 25 Trust Agreement:

[the trustee has the power] To employ suitable agents and counsel and to pay their reasonable expenses and compensation.

Nothing gets by that NeJame! BEWARE - you could be contributing to NeJame's "compensation."

[GrannyB]

No I took that differently also. I think it was a dig to LE. LE is probably thinking to themselves...who the heck does she think she is...her intimidate them. all the more reason to get her...they will show her who can be intimidating. cindys aplogies are calculated...I dont think she meant that, people that controlling dont just apologize because they really are sorry..they feel they have nothing to be sorry for, so her saying sorry was meant to get that intimiated jab in.

I think her apology was the Cindy way of thinking she did what she set out to do. Intimidate them. If she thinks she did she dumber than the 2 dead squirrels that crawled into Casey's engine.

[nana6]

If LE really wanted them and Cindy refusing to hand them over can't they get a subpoena.

oh yeah they can

[WinnieLeigh7]

Ok, so if they have evidence, why not go for the big one? You know for sure the child is dead and she was last with her pathological mother, what is the least she can get, if they try her for murder one, the jury cant say, well, we find her guilty of murder in the 2nd degree or even manslaughter?

Something is going to stick, right?

Why go for something?? the "least" instead of going for it all?

the "least" (Involuntary manslaughter) would probably get her community service and probation.

Caylee deserves the TOP justice!!

IMO

[Regina.Lampert]

Ya know, I bet LE has spoken with neighbors to see if any of them have ever seen Casey come home after George would leave for work.

Nana, iirc Brian (the shovel lender) Burner told LE casey anthony returned numerous times when her parents were not home.

[shelbar53]

Ya know, I bet LE has spoken with neighbors to see if any of them have ever seen Casey come home after George would leave for work.

I bet that neighbor that she borrowed the shovel from, would know. :D

[WillowInFlight]

Based on other mid-August events, what's your best guess of the stimulus prompting Casey's 8/14 request to Sheriff Beary for a meeting with GA (only)? Can you identify the word Casey crossed out in the hand-written letter? Was the request granted? Did the meeting occur? TIA
Letter to Sheriff Beary
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564742.pdf

Fox News event timeline
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=DFAB3AC3CED974C8400D6FE707A8FDB5 ?contentId=7536894&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1
It almost looks like George or Georges, I think I can make out the G's.

[Regina.Lampert]

Why go for something?? the "least" instead of going for it all?

the "least" (Involuntary manslaughter) would probably get her community service and probation.

Caylee deserves the TOP justice!!

IMO

Yep, only the "top of the line" for this little babykiller, imo. :mad:

[WinnieLeigh7]

Good afternoon friends of Caylee's, I thought it was intersting to hear that Cindy will not give LE her credit card bills only the receipts. Now, why do u suppose that is? Must be because she does not want them to see everything that was charged (choroform maybe ?) It would be one thing if this case only delt with Casey but it appears that they have to figure out who else in that family was involved if at all!! The nore difficult the A's make this case for LE the more I believe they are resigned to go all the way with 1st degree. Time is in their side.

Exactly what I was trying to say!

TY :beer:

[nc1948]

I think they are keeping the age the same because thats how old she was when she was "misplaced". JMO

But, correct me if i am wrong, aren't they the ones saying she is still alive and we need to get of our azzzz and look for her.

[GrannyB]

The body fluids to me represnt most probablly urine or bowel ,because when someone dies alot of times their bowels and bladder release uncontroably ,espically if there were a seizure asscoiated with heat exhaustion ...............but ofcourse this also means that the body was at some point alive in the trunk...................and not placed there after death ......so to be negilgent and not premediated if Casey left her in front of car while doing whatever it is she does and ;eft car running with AC on and the car ran out of gas and shut off and Caylee was overcome with heat and she only thought she was already dead and placed her in trunk to hide her grave reckless act, or actually put her in trunk in the middle of the day with AC on and backset down so air could still get to her , car ran out of gas ..........she called her parents for help ( Caylee still alive at this point but needing gas ) so she found someone to give her a ride to her house took the gas cans that DAY the 16th ! Went back to fill car ,and Caylee deffinately died at this time frame .................but I suppose someone would remember giving Casey a ride home on the 16th to get gas cans ............
I dunno...................! I just do not want to beleive this girl took her daughters life with malice! I just can't grasp that.



Not if it was George or Cindy. Their minds can't remember truth only fiction.

[nana6]

Well you know what, I think they need to go for murder one and ask for the death penalty, maybe that will sway her to chat, cant they give her that option via Baez like they did with the immunity deal, say something like, You have 1 week to tell us what happened, or we are seeking murder one and the death penalty, talk and we will probably be lenient.

Lets just get this thing going already!!!!! moo

Bella, you got it!! Enough of this already. They can tell Casey AND tell her parents they are going for murder 1 and the DP. I t hink the whole A family thinks they are in control of this investigation and the po po need to let them know diffently.

[marshmallow]

That statement she made bugs the h3ll out of me. Also saying "George and I gave your free reign" and the complaining they dont get minute by minute updates, esp on the "tips" they provide to LE. Who does she think she is? LE doesn't need your permission or free reign if they need something, they will subpeona and SW and get it. Great Balls of Fire, I say, to even THINK she could POSSIBLY "intimidate' LE/ homicide detectives. Even if you are innocent, aren't you a bit paranoid in a situation like that? I am sure I would be. She has a real real sense of self importance, it kind of amazes me she is a nurse, seems an 'off' profession for her. jmo.



not really, she can use her role as caregiver to give herself importance. As in "look at me, I solve your health issues. I am smarter and very important"

[WillowInFlight]

Nana, iirc Brian (the shovel lender) Burner told LE casey anthony returned numerous times when her parents were not home.
Didn't he say one of those time she was with a male he didn't recognize?

[hamebone]

Military time is used ..

00:20 on the 16th is the time of day (as in 20 seconds after midnight)

Activity all day means, her cell was in constant use ..

The 23:17 & 23:28 are the time of day.

So she went for 24 hours without calling. Activity all day means, her activity for that period was ,no cell usage.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Slightly off topic.....but, does anyone know when the supposed chloroform searchs were done? Lee said that the laptop computer had belonged to Cindy, up until about a month before Casey started using it. I'm assuming it's about the same time she left for a month.

:shrug:

I heard (no link) that it was before Caylee disappeared, but don't know more than that.

[WillowInFlight]

But, correct me if i am wrong, aren't they the ones saying she is still alive and we need to get of our azzzz and look for her.

Yep you are correct, But I think what they say in public and what they say in private are two totally different things.

[GrannyB]

No, I don't really think they are stalling just to give her a proper burial, but I do think they have all come to love Caylee, as the nation has and on a personal level would really like to give her that. I believe they have their doubts as much as the rest of us (or more) that that recovery won't happen.

But in the meantime
they're making the evidence "iron clad" to make sure they can answer for any possible "reasonable doubt" that JB make poke at for holes.
(they answered that themselves)

and why not? Casey isn't going anywhere right now, she has other charges to face, why rush? To only get slapped with 'speedy trial' and for whatever small percentage it is, have someone have that itsy bitsy 'doubt'. I mean look at the board...
it's less than a handful, but there are still people that question what to me seems to be obvious truths.

And well, I'm not so sure they aren't trying to build their puzzle and connections to possible assistance either.

Granted according to statements they have "Cleared" this person and that...
but I'm not too sure about that...
just like "Casey isn't a suspect"----uh huh...okayyyy......not buying!



They need more than 'Caylee's dead'---Caylee was in the trunk


WHO exactly is responsible? (pretty obvious it's Casey, right? but then some people throw Cindy in the mix, maybe not so obvious...)
WHO did the chloroform searches, another example.

Etc. Etc.

Lots of lies, but not only Casey...
and a very twisted puzzle to try to straighten out!!


IMO




Why is it pretty obvious it is Casey?

[shelbar53]

It almost looks like George or Georges, I think I can make out the G's.

looked like caylee to me, the end looked like ylee. I enlarged it

[nana6]

Nana, iirc Brian (the shovel lender) Burner told LE casey anthony returned numerous times when her parents were not home.

Thank u Reginea, I did not know that I should have assumed it though. I knew they spoke to him. Living next door to them and the A's having an outdoor pool, I bet he heard alot from his house!!!

[steffaroob4]

Anyone notice when she at her home, even at the start of June, if she is home for more than 8 hours at a time she is texting/calling like crazy. June2-3 the texts are crazy, when did have time to eat?

[Regina.Lampert]

I agree with you Regina, but I'm not sure that what I am thinking of was what was found because it's too small but I could be wrong. I don't know that they would have even been alerted to look for it.

The SIM card?

[WinnieLeigh7]

If LE really wanted them and Cindy refusing to hand them over can't they get a subpoena.



They can, then their attorney files to stop the subpoena...

then there is a hearing to determine who "wins"

Lollie-da


Here's the interesting thing about "time"

As "time" passes, LE has longer to build their case, make it "iron clad"

but also as "time" passes, the chances of ever finding lil' Caylee decrease (the Anthony's know this)

It's a no win...

[Ellie]

-------------------------
I don't think that the Anthonys babysat anytime that Casey wanted them to. Both the grandparents had full time jobs. One of the reasons Casey came up with such outlandish lies was so that she could be out at night either partying or sleeping around. I don't think that she dragged Caylee around with her when partying or sleeping around because she wanted too. I believe that Cindy was trying to get her to stay at home and take care of her baby, to be a mother to Caylee. To take responsibility as a mother to Caylee. Casey told lies about working late so that she could get her parents to babysit. I think that she had a problem getting them to babysit for her to just be wild, drink, party and sleep around. Caylee became a problem for Casey because Caylee tied Casey down too much for her to continue her new romance and new party lifestyle.

Awesome post, I totally and completely agree and was going to say so earlier, but I knew all I had to do to was keep reading and someone else would put my exact thoughts into words.

I think that's exactly why Casey lied to Cindy constantly. She wanted Cindy to think she was a good, doting, concerned mother when in fact she was anything but. I seem to remember someone saying Casey did bring Caylee to parties though and Caylee would just fall asleep on the couch while everyone partied around her. Can you imagine??!!! Anyway, she didn't want Cindy to know this was going on so she told her Caylee was with "the nanny", and Casey knew that if Cindy knew what was really going on there'd be trouble. I think Cindy was so exasperated with Casey that she probably threatened to take Caylee (and Casey should have let that happen!), but Casey would have no part of that because then she wouldn't have anything to hold over Cindy's head. Casey probably got so sick of her mom yelling at her that she just started telling lies to cover her youknowwhat. Maybe Cindy thought she'd turned a new leaf. Doubtful, but you never know.

I can't believe they haven't found Caylee and sadly I'm starting to agree with most... I don't know that they ever will. But I do wish they'd hurry the heck up with their evidence. I really think that if they had Casey in jail, doing HARD time, she'd break and what happened would come flying out of her mouth before she knew she was talking. Princesses don't handle being in prison very well.

[GrannyB]

The SIM card?


If there is another sims card I bet it would give us what we need.

[shelbar53]

first paragraph. "Dectective Beasley advised these items belonged to the SUSPECT of the investigation."

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf

[?noanswer]

looked like caylee to me, the end looked like ylee. I enlarged it



I viewed it @ 200%. It looks like George. If you look at the G in the scratched out and G in the quotes, the line inside the "G" is straight just like this printed one. JMO

[WinnieLeigh7]

Well you know what, I think they need to go for murder one and ask for the death penalty, maybe that will sway her to chat, cant they give her that option via Baez like they did with the immunity deal, say something like, You have 1 week to tell us what happened, or we are seeking murder one and the death penalty, talk and we will probably be lenient.

Lets just get this thing going already!!!!! moo

They only have ONE chance!!

Why rush it??

To let her walk? She could walk out of the court, say "Haha, btw, this is what happened and this is where she is...."
and as horrible as the 'truth' may be

They can do NOTHING about it!

Why risk that?? They don't need to.

[Katprint]

yes, and what about those storage units that Lee has? They should be searched, as well as any attic or crawl space that the Anthony's have. I imagine that this has been done though I never heard anything about searching inside their home.
I think the cadaver dogs would probably have been scratching at the walls and alerting towards the ceiling/floor if Caylee's remains were in any attic or crawl space.

From what I could see, the Anthony home appeared to be concrete slab foundation construction with no crawl space below, as opposed to a raised foundation. There are no steps to climb at the front door or the back door, which you would expect to see with a raised foundation. Having defended pest control companies in negligent inspection cases, I have actually crawled underneath houses with my clients and I just don't see any crawl space area beneath the Anthony home since it appears level with the surrounding grade. OTOH it is difficult to know for sure when looking at TV camera images of the house rather than the actual house.

The roofline is not a very steep slope so there would not be much of an "attic." I grew up in a similar house and my parents used to store all of our seasonal decorations (Christmas, Halloween, Thanksgiving, Easter etc.) in the rafter area so it is not impossible that something could be up there. Nevertheless, given the terrible smell in the car, I doubt Caylee's remains could be up there without the dogs being able to detect some trace of human decomposition smell.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[margaret kep]

Are there written transcripts of Cindy and George's interviews anywhere? I cannot get audio where I am at and I need to see what they have to say. Sorry if this has already been asked. Thanks.

Hi, just trying to help...but don't know if page opens up. http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/24/files_released_in_casey_anthony

[WinnieLeigh7]

Cindy's mother received two calls, both of which she said sounded like a recording and not really like Caylee. Would not surprise me if it was Casey trying to mimic a child in the call. Just part of the "plan". JMO

Really???

That's the first I heard that.

Omgosh, that's to the extreme's isn't it?

[day2day]

They can post all about the donations they need. They can ask for t-shirt donations and yet furthur down sell for a donaton of $10.00. They also want snacks and water. For who? But they cannot get her age correct. They are not about Caylee.

ITA-and they also refuse to change the date on the flyers. June 9,2008 is the date they stand by.

[margaret kep]

Are there written transcripts of Cindy and George's interviews anywhere? I cannot get audio where I am at and I need to see what they have to say. Sorry if this has already been asked. Thanks.

http://WWW.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/24/files_released_in_casey_anthony

[WinnieLeigh7]

Based on other mid-August events, what's your best guess of the stimulus prompting Casey's 8/14 request to Sheriff Beary for a meeting with GA (only)? Can you identify the word Casey crossed out in the hand-written letter? Was the request granted? Did the meeting occur? TIA
Letter to Sheriff Beary
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564742.pdf

Fox News event timeline
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=DFAB3AC3CED974C8400D6FE707A8FDB5 ?contentId=7536894&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1



oooooo good question. I wondered about "why" this request too!!

and from her "hated" father nevertheless :confused:

[day2day]

They only have ONE chance!!

Why rush it??

To let her walk? She could walk out of the court, say "Haha, btw, this is what happened and this is where she is...."
and as horrible as the 'truth' may be

They can do NOTHING about it!

Why risk that?? They don't need to.

Clint Van Zant said it best. They are building this case a brick at a time. Nice and solid. JUST like we want it. jmo

[penguinlady]

True. I had just never read about all the items found I guess.


Within these pages, investigators note that scratches appeared on the Casey’s car trunk---the trunk that smelled foul and had a suspicious stain that was DNA tested. Furthermore, the car contained a washed flatware knife, a Dora the Explorer backpack, a child’s toothbrush, a dark colored belt, and a black leather bag.

Here's the link....

http://crime.suite101.com/article.cfm/new_information_released_in_caylee_anthony_case


Wow...I had never heard that the backpack was a "Dora" backpack. For whatever reasons that makes my heart hurt even more. My ds LOVES Dora and Diego, maybe that is why.

Sorry...that just made me sad. :(

K

[margaret kep]

http://WWW.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/24/files_released_in_casey_anthony

SORRY - It doesn't seem to work or open up....but I have it on my favorites and it opens up for me. Don't understand computer stuff but that's what it says at the top url. Sorry again

[WinnieLeigh7]

Why is it pretty obvious it is Casey?

Did you read the whole statement??

It was a question...

then followed with throwing Cindy in there...maybe not.


I'm sorry...I 'write' in order to stir thoughts as my own mind twirls.

:)

[barskin&co.]

They can, then their attorney files to stop the subpoena...

then there is a hearing to determine who "wins"

Lollie-da


Here's the interesting thing about "time"

As "time" passes, LE has longer to build their case, make it "iron clad"

but also as "time" passes, the chances of ever finding lil' Caylee decrease (the Anthony's know this)

It's a no win...

Unfortunately, when Casey gave herself a 31 days head start, she might well have made it impossible to find Caylee's remains. Her poor little body would have easily decomposed in that time period, leaving only skeletal remains in the swampy land in the Orlando area.

[martha]

HI Regina, ITA with you.. Yes, Tim left very abruptly. I too think they found something, maybe turned it in to LE or are coming back. They said they would be back. They were very very closed mouthed when they left and I thought they seemed a little sad.:rose:ITA with you and Regina. I have always thought they found something and turned over to le. I think Tim is in no hurry to come back because he knows there will only be bones to find. jmho:rose:

[SavannahStar]

And what's the relevance to that??
Just another question I have...why did they make a point of stating 'evidence of position'??

What's the key behind her "positioning"

things that make you go hhhhmmmm

Yes...that really made me sick to my stomach when I read that!

I didn't think too much of that. I just think it's their way of saying that they have enough forensic evidence from the trunk that they have even been able to determine the position of the body. In other words, letting "us" know that they have incredibly solid and detailed evidence. I don't think that statement means anything more than that....I do not think they are trying to imply that there was a special, meaningful "positioning" of the body by Casey. At least that's MHO.

[barskin&co.]

I'll be back later, peeps. Who knows? Maybe there will be news.

Shana Tova, everybody!:seeya:

[not.another]

No I took that differently also. I think it was a dig to LE. LE is probably thinking to themselves...who the heck does she think she is...her intimidate them. all the more reason to get her...they will show her who can be intimidating. cindys aplogies are calculated...I dont think she meant that, people that controlling dont just apologize because they really are sorry..they feel they have nothing to be sorry for, so her saying sorry was meant to get that intimiated jab in.

I know I'm behind but....I don't think Cindy meant to intimidate the officer while standing beside him. He was referring to the calendar quite a bit. I thought to myself as I was watching this....why doesn't she have a calendar? I mean, have you ever tried to look at a calendar upside down? It's not easy in trying to figure out dates from weeks past. I probably would have done the same thing as her. I also think LE didn't want her to have all access to 'his' calendar seeing how he was writing notes and whatnot on it. Kind of like....Get your own!
imo

[dreamtime]

DAY 106...
I am frustrated. I believe LE is doing their job.
I think there will be an arrest.
But, when?
And why can't Cindy A see the truth?
I have felt a lot of compassion for Cindy A, but it gets a little harder each day.
I can only imagine what kind of whirlwind her mind is now.
: a missing graddaughter that she was mom to, a daughter who is known as a liar, a thief, and caused Caylee's death,
protestors who hate them, pulling Equusearch in, then pushing them away, vigils that are sparse, 12 yr olds who want to help and end up sick, and on and on and on.
How would I act if, God forbid, that happened in my family?
I would hope I would be right there, looking at the truth and holding my daughter accountable, and sending my daughter back to jail,
and doing all I could to find my granddaughter.
But who really knows?

Frustrated in Oregon

[SavannahStar]

ITA-and they also refuse to change the date on the flyers. June 9,2008 is the date they stand by.


Do you know for fact they "refuse"? Could it not be that they just had a ton of flyers made up and didn't make any more when the new date was figured out? I would not necessarily say they "stand by" that date, since they have said otherwise since then. I just really wouldn't use the word "refuse," unless you know specifically that they were in fact asked about it, and they actually said, "no we refuse to change that date"....for whatever reason. :confused:

[not.another]

Clint Van Zant said it best. They are building this case a brick at a time. Nice and solid. JUST like we want it. jmo

He sure did! That was a eye-opening interview from a detectives perspective (outside looking in - but with experience).

I completely agree with him about the chloroform also. She chloroformed Caylee while doing the things she wanted...and Caylee accidentally died. imo

[GrannyB]

Did you read the whole statement??

It was a question...

then followed with throwing Cindy in there...maybe not.


I'm sorry...I 'write' in order to stir thoughts as my own mind twirls.

:)

I do to. I just don't see where it's obvious it's either one. I keep asking someone to explain to me why they think it's Casey. Proof it's Casey. I lean towards Cindy. Most lean towards Casey. And I don't care which one it is, I just want the guilty one to pay. If the guilty one doesn't pay and the wrong one does that another injustice done to Caylee.

[ilovemylife]

Wow...I had never heard that the backpack was a "Dora" backpack. For whatever reasons that makes my heart hurt even more. My ds LOVES Dora and Diego, maybe that is why.

Sorry...that just made me sad. :(

K

Don't worry, same thing happened to me. My stepdaughter is the same age as Caylee and loves Dora and Diego as well.

[dreamtime]

ITA with you and Regina. I have always thought they found something and turned over to le. I think Tim is in no hurry to come back because he knows there will only be bones to find. jmho:rose:

============================================
I agree with you both.
Tim was adamant he would stay. Then, all of a sudden, with lots of volunteers,he quits mid day.
They found something.

[SandyO]

I'll be back later, peeps. Who knows? Maybe there will be news.

Shana Tova, everybody!:seeya:

Shana Tova, Bar!

[Ladyhawk]

I know I'm behind but....I don't think Cindy meant to intimidate the officer while standing beside him. He was referring to the calendar quite a bit. I thought to myself as I was watching this....why doesn't she have a calendar? I mean, have you ever tried to look at a calendar upside down? It's not easy in trying to figure out dates from weeks past. I probably would have done the same thing as her. I also think LE didn't want her to have all access to 'his' calendar seeing how he was writing notes and whatnot on it. Kind of like....Get your own!
imo

The way she kept saying she had all these notes and whatnot, I was surprised that she didn't bring them with her. In fact, didn't she say in the interview that she had all this written down?

[day2day]

Do you know for fact they "refuse"? Could it not be that they just had a ton of flyers made up and didn't make any more when the new date was figured out? I would not necessarily say they "stand by" that date, since they have said otherwise since then. I just really wouldn't use the word "refuse," unless you know specifically that they were in fact asked about it, and they actually said, "no we refuse to change that date"....for whatever reason. :confused:

i have emailed several times and asked if that was the case?! I know several others that have also. They obviously still have the wrong date. If it was your child that was missing...wouldn't you want the CORRECT date on the flyers. No matter how many were printed? The price would not matter to me.
The website still boasts Bichler and Kelley on the trust. So who knows what is up with this. :shrug:

And obviously these flyers-you download and print-so its NOT going to cost them a dime to change the type

jmo

[GrannyB]

I know I'm behind but....I don't think Cindy meant to intimidate the officer while standing beside him. He was referring to the calendar quite a bit. I thought to myself as I was watching this....why doesn't she have a calendar? I mean, have you ever tried to look at a calendar upside down? It's not easy in trying to figure out dates from weeks past. I probably would have done the same thing as her. I also think LE didn't want her to have all access to 'his' calendar seeing how he was writing notes and whatnot on it. Kind of like....Get your own!
imo

IIRC LE send they sent her a calendar to fill out with either Lee or George. They wonder why she hadn't filled it out. Guess she was too busy out knocking on doors. NOT

[EGirl]

The SIM card?

IF there was a second sim card and second phone, LE would already know that IMO.


They have checked the cell records from everyone close to Casey. If she ever made a call or text to them from 'another' phone/sim they would already have the records.

They don't need the sim card IMO

[5boxersmom]

============================================
I agree with you both.
Tim was adamant he would stay. Then, all of a sudden, with lots of volunteers,he quits mid day.
They found something.


I wonder also. LE gave them some money and more manpower. How many days was that until they left? Just a couple wasn't it?

[dreamtime]

[QUOTE=Katprint;12210353]I think the cadaver dogs would probably have been scratching at the walls and alerting towards the ceiling/floor if Caylee's remains were in any attic or crawl space.

From what I could see, the Anthony home appeared to be concrete slab foundation construction with no crawl space below, as opposed to a raised foundation. There are no steps to climb at the front door or the back door, which you would expect to see with a raised foundation. Having defended pest control companies in negligent inspection cases, I have actually crawled underneath houses with my clients and I just don't see any crawl space area beneath the Anthony home since it appears level with the surrounding grade. OTOH it is difficult to know for sure when looking at TV camera images of the house rather than the actual house.

The roofline is not a very steep slope so there would not be much of an "attic." I grew up in a similar house and my parents used to store all of our seasonal decorations (Christmas, Halloween, Thanksgiving, Easter etc.) in the rafter area so it is not impossible that something could be up there. Nevertheless, given the terrible smell in the car, I doubt Caylee's remains could be up there without the dogs being able to detect some trace of human decomposition smell.
___
And ================
what about a freezer. Do the Anthony's have one?
I guess it was on my mind, with other news of children in freezer.
Surely, LE would have checked it out.

[5boxersmom]

IF there was a second sim card and second phone, LE would already know that IMO.


They have checked the cell records from everyone close to Casey. If she ever made a call or text to them from 'another' phone/sim they would already have the records.

They don't need the sim card IMO

I think the other phone is a lie. She went into to much detail about it. I think that is when she lies. When she spins and spins the story.

jmo

[day2day]

IIRC LE send they sent her a calendar to fill out with either Lee or George. They wonder why she hadn't filled it out. Guess she was too busy out knocking on doors. NOT

It would take a big arse calendar to fill up the nanny stories..jmo

[GrannyB]

IF there was a second sim card and second phone, LE would already know that IMO.


They have checked the cell records from everyone close to Casey. If she ever made a call or text to them from 'another' phone/sim they would already have the records.

They don't need the sim card IMO

How do we know they don't have it. Could be what Tim found. Cause I believe he found something. He left too quick and Tim doesn't quit.

[EGirl]

I think the other phone is a lie. She went into to much detail about it. I think that is when she lies. When she spins and spins the story.

jmo

I agree 100% it was her way of having an excuse for not having numbers. Course she was too stupid to think two steps ahead and realize that LE will know every single number she dialed and every single number that dialed her.

[SavannahStar]

i have emailed several times and asked if that was the case?! I know several others that have also. They obviously still have the wrong date. If it was your child that was missing...wouldn't you want the CORRECT date on the flyers. No matter how many were printed? The price would not matter to me.
The website still boasts Bichler and Kelley on the trust. So who knows what is up with this. :shrug:

And obviously these flyers-you download and print-so its NOT going to cost them a dime to change the type

jmo


I believe Cindy has spoken about taking Caylee to see her father at the nursing home on the 15th, that's fact. So I wouldn't say they were "standing by" the date that is incorrect. It's only the date on the flyer.

Sure, I'd change the date. But they do want they want or don't want to do. It's not a huge big deal, IMO.

[WinnieLeigh7]

I do to. I just don't see where it's obvious it's either one. I keep asking someone to explain to me why they think it's Casey. Proof it's Casey. I lean towards Cindy. Most lean towards Casey. And I don't care which one it is, I just want the guilty one to pay. If the guilty one doesn't pay and the wrong one does that another injustice done to Caylee.

I personally lean with Casey myself because of her actions...(and even lack of in some instances)

but because of Cindy's actions, I believe she's more than "denying", she's covering.


Mainly the reason being that if Cindy was at fault, Casey wouldn't be putting herself on the line to cover for mom...who killed her daughter, her loved daughter.

But lets go a step further, b/c I'm sure you'll contradict me on "but Cindy controls" her, Casey's "fears" Cindy, that type of explanation.

So, taken that theory...that Cindy is at fault and Casey's covering...

leaves open the question the no grievance from Casey, and in return partying instead.
If Cindy was quilty and if Casey was scared and therefore covering...
I still don't think she could hide her saddness---if she was such the "mother of the year" so to say.


IMO

[EGirl]

How do we know they don't have it. Could be what Tim found. Cause I believe he found something. He left too quick and Tim doesn't quit.

Huh? The don't need the card. IF it exists, yeah maybe they have it, but they don't need it. Anything on that card can be replicated from her phone provider.

[5boxersmom]

I agree 100% it was her way of having an excuse for not having numbers. Course she was too stupid to think two steps ahead and realize that LE will know every single number she dialed and every single number that dialed her.

ITA :seeya:

[GrannyB]

It would take a big arse calendar to fill up the nanny stories..jmo


And a quart size bottle of white out for Cindy to correct it every time she changes her story.

[day2day]

I believe Cindy has spoken about taking Caylee to see her father at the nursing home on the 15th, that's fact. So I wouldn't say they were "standing by" the date that is incorrect. It's only the date on the flyer.

Sure, I'd change the date. But they do want they want or don't want to do. It's not a huge big deal, IMO.

Yep you are right-the Anthony's have proven TIME and TIME again they do what they want If i am putting out a flyer about a missing child. YOU BET the date she was last seen BETTER be correct. I wouldn't put the wrong date on a missing pup poster. But im obviously not an Anthony.

jmo...:shrug:

[day2day]

A a quart size bottle of white out for Cindy to correct it every time she changes her story.

I'm not sure if it comes in quart bottles..?! I make LOTS of mistakes on my reports -it would save me TONS of money!! :D

Of course IF you put down lies in writing..that could come back to haunt ya...:shrug:
jmo

[GrannyB]

I personally lean with Casey myself because of her actions...(and even lack of in some instances)

but because of Cindy's actions, I believe she's more than "denying", she's covering.


Mainly the reason being that if Cindy was at fault, Casey wouldn't be putting herself on the line to cover for mom...who killed her daughter, her loved daughter.

But lets go a step further, b/c I'm sure you'll contradict me on "but Cindy controls" her, Casey's "fears" Cindy, that type of explanation.

So, taken that theory...that Cindy is at fault and Casey's covering...

leaves open the question the no grievance from Casey, and in return partying instead.
If Cindy was quilty and if Casey was scared and therefore covering...
I still don't think she could hide her saddness---if she was such the "mother of the year" so to say.


IMO

According to Jesse Casey is emotionless now and he says she was never like that. I don't think you understand the control I'm talking about. And I don't think scared is the word. Just that's the way it is in that family. If you haven't seen a family like that I wouldn't expect you to understand cause it's just not natural. Probably why I lean towards Cindy and I have no problem switching to Casey with proof. I just see a stronger possibility that it is Cindy. Just for the record I'm really not trying to argue with anyone. I just giving mo today and believe me it can easily change.

[WillowInFlight]

I'm not sure if it comes in quart bottles..?! I make LOTS of mistakes on my reports -it would save me TONS of money!! :D

Of course IF you put down lies in writing..that could come back to haunt ya...:shrug:
jmo
I think having the lies on tape is much better than in writing.

[GrannyB]

Huh? The don't need the card. IF it exists, yeah maybe they have it, but they don't need it. Anything on that card can be replicated from her phone provider.

How do we know she didn't have two phone providers? We don't. All we know is she said she had two phones. She also said she switched the sims card between the two. So who knows? All the lies make this difficult.

[SavannahStar]

Huh? The don't need the card. IF it exists, yeah maybe they have it, but they don't need it. Anything on that card can be replicated from her phone provider.


The cell provider wouldn't have the phone #s that were stored in her phone (or SIM card) though, would they? They would have a record of all incoming and outgoing calls and the duration, I know that.

[BJames]

It's interesting what CNN Headline News is airing every 28 minutes or so...a few comments and then a clip of Nancy Grace from last night regarding this case. Most especially the interview with Mr. Grund speaking about Cindy 'accusing' Jesse of Caylee's disappearance, and CNN stating that LE believes that Casey made up the 'Nanny story'.

Yes, Dora's 'sidekick' is a monkey named 'Boots'.

[day2day]

I think having the lies on tape is much better than in writing.

well yea..be pretty hard to say-hey i DIDN't say that! lol

[EGirl]

The cell provider wouldn't have the phone #s that were stored in her phone (or SIM card) though, would they? They would have a record of all incoming and outgoing calls and the duration, I know that.

if there were no calls made on the phone ever then what difference would stored numbers make?

[Rayosunshine]

CNN headline news today at about 12:45 CST showed a short clip with Zenaida. I didn't think she looked like the same one shown on an earlier news clip. Tried to find the CNN clip and couldn't.

[margaritaville]

It's interesting what CNN Headline News is airing every 28 minutes or so...a few comments and then a clip of Nancy Grace from last night regarding this case. Most especially the interview with Mr. Grund speaking about Cindy 'accusing' Jesse of Caylee's disappearance, and CNN stating that LE believes that Casey made up the 'Nanny story'.

Yes, Dora's 'sidekick' is a monkey named 'Boots'.


Okay i missed something...

This is the third post that has referenced the monkey in the Dora show..

What is the significance of a monkey?

TIA

[FrankieBones1]

Yes, IIRC the striped slacks that cindy washed were strangely similar in description to the striped slacks that george said princess was wearing.

That's exactly what he told police in his interview. They were pin striped dress slacks. I believe he said they were gray in colour and the pin stripes were white.

[Boxer]

Been away a few days....I guess there is no real progress. Hopefully, the trial for the charges pending now will put Casey behind bars where she belongs at least for a while. It's saddening that a child paid the price of her dissatisfaction.

[FrankieBones1]

Okay i missed something...

This is the third post that has referenced the monkey in the Dora show..

What is the significance of a monkey?

TIA

IIRC, Caylee's knapsack was white with monkeys all over it.

[EGirl]

How do we know she didn't have two phone providers? We don't. All we know is she said she had two phones. She also said she switched the sims card between the two. So who knows? All the lies make this difficult.

If she switched the card then it's only one set of records. LE already have that.


If a 'different' cell/sim then it's only important if she made any calls/texts from it. They've checked all the family and friends phone records they know who called/texted them.

If Casey had used a different phone to do that it would show up on THEIR records and LE would trace the 'other' phone back to her.


There is NO OTHER PHONE. IMO

[5boxersmom]

Okay i missed something...

This is the third post that has referenced the monkey in the Dora show..

What is the significance of a monkey?

TIA


George said the last time he saw Caylee on the 16th she had her white backpack that had monkeys on it with her.

[GrannyB]

Hi GrannyB!:seeya:

I'm curious. What kind of scenario with the facts we know at this time leads you to believe it could be Cindy? Casey was the one driving the car around with the decomp smell (she told the squirrel story, etc). I can't see it at all. Could you elaborate on your theory? Thanks!

We found out from George Casey had Cindy's SUV one day and he tried to follow her. So if Casey had Cindy's car who had Casey's. And as usual Cindy claimed to know nothing about that to Le. Then LE had to explain to her George said he told her. The only proof we have of when Caylee was last seen is the father's day video. We have no one other than George who claims to have seen Caylee after the 15th. And as with all the Anthony's they lie so it means nothing. LE may know of someone but we sure don't. So what you say are facts aren't rally facts they're just words coming from the Anthony's. I want proof that LE says they can back up. I lean towards Cindy cause she wears the pants in that family which most agree with.

[WinnieLeigh7]

According to Jesse Casey is emotionless now and he says she was never like that. I don't think you understand the control I'm talking about. And I don't think scared is the word. Just that's the way it is in that family. If you haven't seen a family like that I wouldn't expect you to understand cause it's just not natural. Probably why I lean towards Cindy and I have no problem switching to Casey with proof. I just see a stronger possibility that it is Cindy. Just for the record I'm really not trying to argue with anyone. I just giving mo today and believe me it can easily change.

I'm not arguing either :) <~~See LOL
Seriously, I don't "get" the arguing on here, "Waste" IMO, I do however understand frustrations, b/c I get that sometimes too...

but for the most part, I'm pretty open to all ideas, and love a good debate.

As for the family, well, I come from a broken family! I prefer not to get into detail about that on a public board, but I have stories worse than the Anthony's believe it or not! Personally...

And as mentioned before, I can actually (regretfully) relate to Casey's actions, b/c I did alot of the same things at her age (though I did not have a child)....

But now I do, I'm a mom...

And being a mom gave me strength for the first time in my life to say the H3ll with anyone that wants to 'put me down', be it family, friends, strangers, anyone!!

For the first time in my life, no one was going to use me, walk on me, control me and place any fear in me.

I was mom, hear me roar!!

I refused to lay down to that life for the sake of my children!! They were not going to live that path.

So as for that, no, I can't understand her being in such fear.

[GrannyB]

The cell provider wouldn't have the phone #s that were stored in her phone (or SIM card) though, would they? They would have a record of all incoming and outgoing calls and the duration, I know that.

But what if there is another provider. The sims card would let LE know who that other provider is and then they could go check it out.

[GrannyB]

If she switched the card then it's only one set of records. LE already have that.


If a 'different' cell/sim then it's only important if she made any calls/texts from it. They've checked all the family and friends phone records they know who called/texted them.

If Casey had used a different phone to do that it would show up on THEIR records and LE would trace the 'other' phone back to her.


There is NO OTHER PHONE. IMO

That we know of was my point. LE has not given us everything they have.

[not.another]

The way she kept saying she had all these notes and whatnot, I was surprised that she didn't bring them with her. In fact, didn't she say in the interview that she had all this written down?

She just seemed scatterbrained & completely unprepared. I guess no eating, no sleeping, can do that to someone. she did say she was writing down notes while she was talking to Jessie. I think Cindy gave alot of stuff to Lee to give to LE. Why she did that I don't know. He had her credit card statements. imo

[kitty1182]

Casey Impersonator Joins Protests, Residents "More Than Fed Up"

POSTED: 6:30 am EDT September 30, 2008
UPDATED: 1:27 pm EDT September 30, 2008

http://www.wftv.com/news/17587671/detail.html%3frss=orlc%26psp=news



LOL at the impersonator..Just like Casey, does not want to talk..LOL

[crymeariver2006]

Casey Impersonator Joins Protests, Residents "More Than Fed Up"
http://www.wftv.com/news/17587671/detail.html

RAW INTERVIEW: Casey Anthony Impersonator Outside Family's Home
http://www.wftv.com/video/17589277/index.html

I thought Channel 9 was the one that said they were no longer hanging out in front of the Anthony home?

:shrug:

[Ladyhawk]

But what if there is another provider. The sims card would let LE know who that other provider is and then they could go check it out.

If there is another provider, independent of a throw-away phone, an overdue bill would have turned up by now IMO.

[margaritaville]

IIRC, Caylee's knapsack was white with monkeys all over it.

Okay.........thanks!

[margaritaville]

George said the last time he saw Caylee on the 16th she had her white backpack that had monkeys on it with her.

Thank you!!

[tiny paw-prints]

On Monday, June 9th about 5pm casey is at Ricardo's until at least 9:42 am on June 10th. Casey cell records sure are backing up her friends stories.

I am trying to see if Casey had a habit of leaving the home in the day, like she was going to work, then coming back home after GA left, but there is only one week to look at, so these records aren't much help to see her habits. Plus,:mad: GA changed jobs in here somewhere:shrug:

Hi steff :seeya:

IIRC, last week you posted a link which depicted copies of the receipts? Do you have to still have that link?

I'm not interested in reviewing the receipts themselves at this particular time, but I believe there were 4-5 photos included with those copied receipts which depicted Casey and Tony on surveillance video tape at Target dated 6/16/08, as well as a posed photo of them together dressed in black on 6/17/08.

I'm interested in seeing the above photos again, and comparing the timestamp of those photos with the cell phone records for the period of time in question 6/16-6/17. TIA

[agent99]

If there is another provider, independent of a throw-away phone, an overdue bill would have turned up by now IMO.

Not unless it was being billed to an employer, like an escort agency, that is not about to draw any attention to their business.

We went over this yesterday and it is my sincere opinion that she worked for the adult services agency that has been referenced at Sawgrass called "Universal." For links, just search "Universal Adult Entertainment" in this board.

[crymeariver2006]

How do we know she didn't have two phone providers? We don't. All we know is she said she had two phones. She also said she switched the sims card between the two. So who knows? All the lies make this difficult.

I don't think the sim card would have worked with another provider. Heck, I don't think they are interchangeable between phones with ATT. As I have already stated, my DD's blackberry would not work with the sim card from her Razr, even though the service was still with ATT. The sim card from my old Nokia did work with my new Nokia, same service with ATT.

I don't know of other providers who use sim cards. ATT is the only one that I know of, but that's only because I don't have another cell provider.

Plus, we've seen her call activity logs. When, pray tell, did she have time to talk on more than one phone? I'm surprised she had time to eat or even breathe between calls and texts.

:shrug:

[luvinlife]

A question that I continue to have and that I cannot find anything in all the information released -- is who exactly in law enforcement gave Cindy (as she claimed) permission to wash the pants that she found in the car - the pants that smelled so bad. Who in law enforcement would do that? I doubt that ever happened and I hope they get her for tampering with evidence. Does anyone have this answer, if so please direct me to where I can read up on it. Thanks


I believe these were two different events. Cindy claims to have washed the pants between getting the car from tow lot and finding Casey.

The items she said she asked LE about and washed were the items from Tony's that had been dumped on the floor. They smelled like smoke.

[Lilly12]

Maybe this has been addressed before.......can the police get Cindy's credit card statements with a search warrant?

[crymeariver2006]

A question that I continue to have and that I cannot find anything in all the information released -- is who exactly in law enforcement gave Cindy (as she claimed) permission to wash the pants that she found in the car - the pants that smelled so bad. Who in law enforcement would do that? I doubt that ever happened and I hope they get her for tampering with evidence. Does anyone have this answer, if so please direct me to where I can read up on it. Thanks


I don't think anybody gave her permission to wash the pants. I don't think LE was even aware of the pants being washed until 8/4 when they confronted Cindy about it.

[WillowInFlight]

i don't think anybody gave her permission to wash the pants. I don't think le was even aware of the pants being washed until 8/4 when they confronted cindy about it.
ita...............

[GrannyB]

A question that I continue to have and that I cannot find anything in all the information released -- is who exactly in law enforcement gave Cindy (as she claimed) permission to wash the pants that she found in the car - the pants that smelled so bad. Who in law enforcement would do that? I doubt that ever happened and I hope they get her for tampering with evidence. Does anyone have this answer, if so please direct me to where I can read up on it. Thanks

Cindy can't remember their names.

[GrannyB]

Interesting. I'll have to see what day that was. You're right, where was Cindy without her car? How could Casey have gotten her car without her knowing? Our only word on this is George's though right? hmmmm...

George's and Cindy's answer which was well I didn't give permission. She didn't really push this one.

[snap4]

I do to. I just don't see where it's obvious it's either one. I keep asking someone to explain to me why they think it's Casey. Proof it's Casey. I lean towards Cindy. Most lean towards Casey. And I don't care which one it is, I just want the guilty one to pay. If the guilty one doesn't pay and the wrong one does that another injustice done to Caylee.


The reason I do not believe it was Cindy is very simple...why would Casey cover for her mother, because after all Casey came up with the zanny thing not Cindy therefore Casey would have to be covering for her mother, There is no way if Cindy did it, that Casey would cover for her, she would love to blame her mom for being neglectful for once instead of it always being her(Casey) for being the screw-up. Does that make sense?

[Regina.Lampert]

LOL at the impersonator..Just like Casey, does not want to talk..LOL

.................:tongue:

[GrannyB]

Maybe this has been addressed before.......can the police get Cindy's credit card statements with a search warrant?

I know the FBI can get anything they want.

[day2day]

The reason I do not believe it was Cindy is very simple...why would Casey cover for her mother, because after all Casey came up with the zanny thing not Cindy therefore Casey would have to be covering for her mother, There is no way if Cindy did it, that Casey would cover for her, she would love to blame her mom for being neglectful for once instead of it always being her(Casey) for being the screw-up. Does that make sense?

It makes perfect sense. IMO Cindy didn't harm Caylee-i do think she has done things AFTER the fact to hurt this investigation. (as if it wasn't hurt enough already) :shrug:

I wonder sometimes if that is why she sent George back to work that night. Because George being ex-LE would KNOW better than to take things from that car and wash them..

jmo

[trich]

Cindy can't remember their names.

Isn't it amazing the details though she can remember of other things she has said(lied about).

[nana6]

I'll be back later, peeps. Who knows? Maybe there will be news.

Shana Tova, everybody!:seeya:

and Happy New Year to you too Bar

[nana6]

I have been cooking Alaskan King Crab Legs..... melted butter, etc. I'm passing it around for anyone who wants some.

I'm glad to see we are discussing things nicely. I have to play catch up since I've been doing so much around the house.

:seeya:

Hi Dunnie, It has been nice here this afternoon.. Problems don't seem to start until evening!!!

[GrannyB]

The reason I do not believe it was Cindy is very simple...why would Casey cover for her mother, because after all Casey came up with the zanny thing not Cindy therefore Casey would have to be covering for her mother, There is no way if Cindy did it, that Casey would cover for her, she would love to blame her mom for being neglectful for once instead of it always being her(Casey) for being the screw-up. Does that make sense?


Yes I can see why you think that. At this time I don't think it's a matter of covering for Cindy. I can't explain it. I've tried. Maybe someone else will come on the board that knows what I'm speaking about and can explain it better than I can.

[WillowInFlight]

Isn't it amazing the details though she can remember of other things she has said(lied about).

Yep, funny how the she can recall lie after lie but the truth seems to be a total stranger to her.

[WillowInFlight]

Yes I can see why you think that. At this time I don't think it's a matter of covering for Cindy. I can't explain it. I've tried. Maybe someone else will come on the board that knows what I'm speaking about and can explain it better than I can.
I think you have been explaining it well enough, I don't agree with your theory, but I can understand why you may think that way.

[crymeariver2006]

George's and Cindy's answer which was well I didn't give permission. She didn't really push this one.

And then when Cindy got home, George got hammer for speaking "off script".

:D

'Cause it's one thing to say you haven't SEEN your daughter in a month, but it's something else if it's proven she's out driving your car.

[trich]

How do we know she didn't have two phone providers? We don't. All we know is she said she had two phones. She also said she switched the sims card between the two. So who knows? All the lies make this difficult.

She also said that one phone was given to her for work by Universal Studios which we all know she has not worked for since 2004.
I am sure that LE has checked every cell phone company to find out if Casey, Cindy, George and Lee has accounts with them.
They certainly are not taking any of their words for anything they are saying.

[snap4]

The reason I do not believe it was Cindy is very simple...why would Casey cover for her mother, because after all Casey came up with the zanny thing not Cindy therefore Casey would have to be covering for her mother, There is no way if Cindy did it, that Casey would cover for her, she would love to blame her mom for being neglectful for once instead of it always being her(Casey) for being the screw-up. Does that make sense?

It makes perfect sense. IMO Cindy didn't harm Caylee-i do think she has done things AFTER the fact to hurt this investigation. (as if it wasn't hurt enough already) :shrug:

I wonder sometimes if that is why she sent George back to work that night. Because George being ex-LE would KNOW better than to take things from that car and wash them..

jmo

AGREED!! She has and continues to make a mess of the investigation, and I also feel it is not because she herself is the murderer but, her own daughter is, and she won't/can't face that.

[GrannyB]

One more try and it's not a exact example but close.
Jim Jones getting hundreds to drink that kool-aid even giving it to their children. Instead of hundreds Cindy has only her family but that kind of control. Casey is just following orders. She doesn't like them but she follows them.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Yes I can see why you think that. At this time I don't think it's a matter of covering for Cindy. I can't explain it. I've tried. Maybe someone else will come on the board that knows what I'm speaking about and can explain it better than I can.


Oh what the heck...lock 'em both up...Together!!

They can share the single cell, bunk bed, one potty, turkey sandwich dinners.

Works for me!


:D

[BANJO GRANNY]

The reason I do not believe it was Cindy is very simple...why would Casey cover for her mother, because after all Casey came up with the zanny thing not Cindy therefore Casey would have to be covering for her mother, There is no way if Cindy did it, that Casey would cover for her, she would love to blame her mom for being neglectful for once instead of it always being her(Casey) for being the screw-up. Does that make sense?

I agree

:rose:For Baby Caylee

[Rayosunshine]

first paragraph. "Dectective Beasley advised these items belonged to the SUSPECT of the investigation."

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf

Did you read the stuff in that mass of letters, numbers and symbols on page 954 of the document, between Casey and NYitaliano?

When I first saw it, I ignored it thinking it was computer code stuff. Computer illiterate here.

[day2day]

And then when Cindy got home, George got hammer for speaking "off script".

:D

'Cause it's one thing to say you haven't SEEN your daughter in a month, but it's something else if it's proven she's out driving your car.

Can you imagine how p@ssed she was when she found out he told the FBI he had followed Casey in Cindy's car? And THEY told her? NOT George...oh lawd- i bet she lit into him til a fly wouldn't land on him hammer

[crymeariver2006]

Isn't it amazing the details though she can remember of other things she has said(lied about).


I'm still recovering from her saying Casey and Juliet were EIGHT cars back and witnessed Zanny's accident.

That's some darn fine vision they got!

:D

[GrannyB]

It makes perfect sense. IMO Cindy didn't harm Caylee-i do think she has done things AFTER the fact to hurt this investigation. (as if it wasn't hurt enough already) :shrug:

I wonder sometimes if that is why she sent George back to work that night. Because George being ex-LE would KNOW better than to take things from that car and wash them..

jmo

George being ex-LE knew what the smell was and knew he should call LE immediately. More of Cindys control. He knew but he didn't.

[steffaroob4]

Hi steff :seeya:

IIRC, last week you posted a link which depicted copies of the receipts? Do you have to still have that link?

I'm not interested in reviewing the receipts themselves at this particular time, but I believe there were 4-5 photos included with those copied receipts which depicted Casey and Tony on surveillance video tape at Target dated 6/16/08, as well as a posed photo of them together dressed in black on 6/17/08.

I'm interested in seeing the above photos again, and comparing the timestamp of those photos with the cell phone records for the period of time in question 6/16-6/17. TIA


blockbuster pics (http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608evidence/indexGallery.htm)
I think that is her inside the blockbuster, her cell puts her in the area.

If it is the list of receipts Lee had written out.
I need to look for the receipts, I think it was with Lee's transcript in the large doc dump, I can't remeber where that link is right now, let me think on it.

[crymeariver2006]

Can you imagine how p@ssed she was when she found out he told the FBI he had followed Casey in Cindy's car? And THEY told her? NOT George...oh lawd- i bet she lit into him til a fly wouldn't land on him hammer

That's the beauty of separating them. I bet that's how they found out about the pants washing too.

[Lilly12]

I know the FBI can get anything they want.


Thanks! That is good to know.

[luvinlife]

I'm still recovering from her saying Casey and Juliet were EIGHT cars back and witnessed Zanny's accident.

That's some darn fine vision they got!

:D



I just keep thinking that at the time of this interview Casey had been home a few days to make sure that everyone remembered her stupid stories, and to keep convincing them they were the truth. moo

[Albini]

One more try and it's not a exact example but close.
Jim Jones getting hundreds to drink that kool-aid even giving it to their children. Instead of hundreds Cindy has only her family but that kind of control. Casey is just following orders. She doesn't like them but she follows them.

Like somekind of mind control. I have seen this type of thing many times in family court issues. The mum wants to hold onto the man in her life so she goes along with his abuse of her kids. Usually out of fear of either then unknown or of some specific consequence he is holding above her head.

I dont really see this in Cindys case.

Besides, what if anything would Cindy gain from killing Caylee?

[nana6]

A question that I continue to have and that I cannot find anything in all the information released -- is who exactly in law enforcement gave Cindy (as she claimed) permission to wash the pants that she found in the car - the pants that smelled so bad. Who in law enforcement would do that? I doubt that ever happened and I hope they get her for tampering with evidence. Does anyone have this answer, if so please direct me to where I can read up on it. Thanks

Hi Sarah, As far as I know, no one gave her permission to wash the pants. No one would. That was clear obstruction of evidence as far as I am concerned and I hope they get her good for that too! As well as the knife that she washed!!! She is married to a police officer or at least he was in Ohio so I am sure she would know better.

[crymeariver2006]

blockbuster pics (http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608evidence/indexGallery.htm)
I think that is her inside the blockbuster, her cell puts her in the area.

If it is the list of receipts Lee had written out.
I need to look for the receipts, I think it was with Lee's transcript in the large doc dump, I can't remeber where that link is right now, let me think on it.


Looks like Tony is paying though.

:shrug:

Good find on the Blockbuster though. I couldn't figure out where in the world they were. Now that you told me, I can see the movies! :D

[5boxersmom]

I'm still recovering from her saying Casey and Juliet were EIGHT cars back and witnessed Zanny's accident.

That's some darn fine vision they got!

:D

Some memory too considering they couldn't remember the last day they saw Caylee.:rolleyes:

jmo

[trich]

Yes I can see why you think that. At this time I don't think it's a matter of covering for Cindy. I can't explain it. I've tried. Maybe someone else will come on the board that knows what I'm speaking about and can explain it better than I can.


I can not evem begin to imagine that Cindy is responsible for
Caylee being "missing".
She is indeed just as much a liar as Casey is but Casey is the one who"lost" Caylee and Casey is the one who never reported her "missing".
As much as I detest Cindy's covering for her daughter I don't think we would yet know that Caylee was gone had the tow company not notified them about the car and Cindy not called 911.
I am also convinced Casey was going to leave town and go out to California never to have been seen again.
If you read over all the transcripts and interviews ......it all adds up.
Casey killed Caylee and she could care less at this point.

[day2day]

That's the beauty of separating them. I bet that's how they found out about the pants washing too.

I believe you are right. I would LOVE to hear what they told the FBI!!
lol! I wonder how long they let Cindy go on about Zanny...:eek:

[day2day]

Some memory too considering they couldn't remember the last day they saw Caylee.:rolleyes:

jmo

Bingo-that is what set my meter off. C'mon if one of my pups went missing i would NOT forget the date. hammer

[GrannyB]

Like somekind of mind control. I have seen this type of thing many times in family court issues. The mum wants to hold onto the man in her life so she goes along with his abuse of her kids. Usually out of fear of either then unknown or of some specific consequence he is holding above her head.

I dont really see this in Cindys case.

Besides, what if anything would Cindy gain from killing Caylee?

I don't think she killed Caylee on purpose. I think it was an honest accident in the pool and Cindy being Cindy could never admit to that. She caused all this because of her arrogance, her need to be right no matter what. She's not human.

[Lilly12]

and Happy New Year to you too Bar


Yes........ Happy New Year to all our Jewish friends.

[crymeariver2006]

I believe you are right. I would LOVE to hear what they told the FBI!!
lol! I wonder how long they let Cindy go on about Zanny...:eek:

Oh it'll come in during the trial.

I can't wait.

:D

One thing I think they told her is to get the receipts. When she was asked about it again on 8/1, didn't Yuri tell her she was supposed to bring them that day?

[trich]

Hi Sarah, As far as I know, no one gave her permission to wash the pants. No one would. That was clear obstruction of evidence as far as I am concerned and I hope they get her good for that too! As well as the knife that she washed!!! She is married to a police officer or at least he was in Ohio so I am sure she would know better.




I think she washed those pants ev en beforre the police got to the house after she called 911.
Had the police come yet they would have sealed off the car and not let anyone else but them access it.
Especially with them smelling that awful odor.
Or she took the pants out of the car and did not tell LE after they arrived and then washed them later.

[5boxersmom]

Bingo-that is what set my meter off. C'mon if one of my pups went missing i would NOT forget the date. hammer

Yep, but they seem to remember all this stupid stuff. Car accidents, sim cards and such. I am not buying it.

jmo

[steffaroob4]

Looks like Tony is paying though.

:shrug:

Good find on the Blockbuster though. I couldn't figure out where in the world they were. Now that you told me, I can see the movies! :D

So, where is Caylee, IF they are both in blockbuster at 8 pm, and GA saw Caylee that afternoon, where is she? Also, if that is Casey, that looks like a dress to me, not slacks. (I am NO longer including ZFG in any of my thought)

[forensicnut]

She also said that one phone was given to her for work by Universal Studios which we all know she has not worked for since 2004.
I am sure that LE has checked every cell phone company to find out if Casey, Cindy, George and Lee has accounts with them.
They certainly are not taking any of their words for anything they are saying.

I thought she got fired from Universal in April of 06? Unless that was a simple typo. :seeya:

I still think that Casey had disposable phones. Especially since I believe the whole drug angle. And those phones are basically untraceable if you don't have the telephone number.

I think the "work" phone was for either drugs and/or maybe an escort service?