Tuesday, Sept.30 Morning

[frances1]

Has anyone yet seen the list of 85 witnesses which was supposedly released yesterday? Released to whom? Why haven't we seen it yet?

[WinnieLeigh7]

Yes to me 6-16 is the day whatever happened happened and since Casey tried to call her parents and brother so much and could not get ahold of them ,I feel whatever did happen was accidental negligemce her reckless careless imature actions....and she was trying to call her dad who was a COP , her mom who always picked up the pieces and her brother who she would typically confide in ,but CASEY did that dangerous thing she does and had too much time to THINK , think of the implications to her and somewhat all and whatever she had been doing for 2 years ..everything would be revealed so she had to tell more tall tales and this is where it ends up ..................?

Or the opposite?!?!

It was intentional, but she had hoped to make it look like an accident and then they didn't answer it busted her 'plan' up

:shrug:

[WillowInFlight]

I do, too. She was determined that George wouldn't go into that trunk. She was nasty, too. According to George. imo

Yep, heres your F'ing cans.

[Joan Weiss]

It was in the IM with the lover cop...I did catch it also, and at first went :eek: too

But the more I think about it...

I have used that term for my own children...

especially when letting them rug themselves ragged playing and saying something along the lines of "at least they'll pass out early"Oh, yes, and that's exactly what they do, and ya can't wake 'em for anything, lol...carried many heavy kids to bed in my time. imo

[summer4meplz]

So if Casey returned the cans to George on the 24th..Left the car on the 27th, how many of you think Caylee's body was in the trunk on the 24th?


I do!


I do, too...

[jbellaj]

Right, and then the Grunds picked up on watching her until April 06 which would put Caylee at about the same age, 8/9 months. So who watched her for the next almost 2 years. Cindy claims she watched Caylee whenever Casey went out but what about when she supposedly worked which we know she didn't do from April 06 to present. It seems to me Caylee was with Casey but where did they go, what did they do? JMO. I think they spent their days on Hopespring Dr and I'd be willing to bet the computer forensics folks will find out that Casey was on line for a good portion of that time. They all lie, they all knew Casey didn't work. JMO.

Oh TY you...I forgot about the Grunds

[SavannahStar]

I really don;t know but everyone sayes it is so hot in fl that she could not have lived in there but I thought it might be cooler at night. Where was caylee every night while casey was parting? the only thing I do know is a 3 year old would began to talk a lot and tell everything or mine did and so did my grands. We could not even say **** in front of them they would pick it up. My daughter said dam in front of hers and you know one of them come out with that one day. Our preacher little girl came to church one day singing that gingle about beer where she had seen it on tv. Boy did that get away with him ha. we thought it was cute but he sure did not. I just don;t think casey could keep carring her every where she was going. as she got older. jmho:rose:

It would be hot and humid even at night, in a car trunk in FL.

I don't know where she was when Casey was out partying. But just because we don't know, I don't think we can leap to decide she was locked in the trunk, knocked out with xanax.

[rosejustrose]

Totaly agree with you she is all about getting sympathy!!! that is why I have issues with the accident theory also. Almost like the munchouser(sp) mother who hurts her own child for attention, not that she did that, just saying, she has that "I need attention", "I need sympathy" mentality. Very strange the extremes that she goes to acheive that.

Also, did anyone notice her statement in a text to someone where she stated about (not an exact quote) "she is passed out now" refering to Caylee. That just grabbed my attention...most college students use that term "passed out" after partying too much...I don't know it was just weird to me. I would refer to my children when they went to sleep, as "they are now sleeping" or "they are in bed for the night" Did anyone else catch that or am I the only one who thinks that was a weird statement? I can try to find the quote if you all want me to.


I caught that, too. I also thought it was strange in those IM messages to the ex-cop that she repeatedly talked about how sad she was and how difficult her life was. And all that crap about work, OMG, she is certainly a nut job. IMO.

[day2day]

Hey, Cindy didn't kill anyone, I mean should Cindy have known what the future would bring 3 years ago and just killed Casey and spared us all this drama?

moo

Nope-not KILLED Casey..but maybe FORCING Casey to be responsible might have been a start. MAYBE just maybe NOT letting her get by with the 1000's of lies she had told. Maybe JUST maybe...prosecuting her for the MONEY she stole from her ...might have changed the outcome here.

jmo..

[BJames]

I do believe that it was the first of the month that Casey went and took the shower, because Tony was out of town..if IIRC.

Just a question as I must have missed it...?
When the concept of the 'extra key in her pocket' came up from Cindy, it was to 'explain' what about Casey?
The reason I ask is that I would think that if someone was leaving a car running and/or a child sleeping in the vehicle...they would have to leave the key in the ignition...thus having a 'spare' key to open the car doors when they returned?
Make sense?
Thanks to anyone who has an answer as to why Cindy originally said Casey had a key in her pocket.

Just my opinion of course....

[Joan Weiss]

From Casey's cell records ..

June 26 .. Casey started using her phone at 8:45 .. finished that day at 23:47 ..

June 27 .. Casey started using her phone at 8:54 .. finished that day at 23:55 ..

June 28 .. Casey started using her phone at 00:15 .. finished that day at 22:26 ..

June 29 .. Casey started using her phone at 10:25 .. finished that day at 23:59 ..

There is NO 24 hour period of NO activity on Casey's cell phone ..

Padilla is FOS .. surprise, surprise .. :rolleyes:
Hopefully Nancy won't bother having him on any more ..I still have my duct tape at the ready...;)

[ruth66]

Does anyone know if Mr. Grund posted any comments other than the first ones regarding TRUTH? His comments on NG were minimal and not anything we haven't figured out about CA already. :shrug:

[margaritaville]

I do, too. She was determined that George wouldn't go into that trunk. She was nasty, too. According to George. imo


Right I heard him on an interview say that too.

I know he said she ran ahead of him and gave him the gas cans. But what about the tool or jack he wanted to get out of there in the first place? did he get it out or did Casey get that too?
He made it sound like it was screwed in??
I am not sure if he ever answered that. (he said he needed it to rotate the tires on Cindys car)

TIA

[desmom]

From the documents released 9/23/08, Jesse told LE Casey called him at 10:15 on July 1 asking to use his shower.

Pages 1522 - 1523

jmo

[crymeariver2006]

*respectfully snipped*
I guess it's also possible that she left the car running with Caylee in it in the garage the afternoon of the 16th when G & C were gone while she went inside to get some clothes or something and got distracted on the phone....it might not have had to be longer than 30 minutes.

I sure hope the lab checked the exhaust system in the car. moo


THAT, IMO is a very good theory.

[num1barb]

So if Casey returned the cans to George on the 24th..Left the car on the 27th, how many of you think Caylee's body was in the trunk on the 24th?


I do!

I do too. George smelled it IMO

[WinnieLeigh7]

I do, too. She was determined that George wouldn't go into that trunk. She was nasty, too. According to George. imo

Nasty?? As in?? (Sorry, I've missed this part)

What if this is the day she disposed of her...

Caylee wasn't actually IN the trunk at that time, but "evidence" that she had been and that Casey had did whatever to 'rid' herself of her was ?!?!

[day2day]

Does anyone know if Mr. Grund posted any comments other than the first ones regarding TRUTH? His comments on NG were minimal and not anything we haven't figured out about CA already. :shrug:

Much Ado about Nothing
Current mood: drained
Category: Life

Well, for any of you that gave up watching Heroes for NG, I apologize. I hope that you could DVR it as I did.

I did not get to say half of what I expected to say and probably created more questions then answers. Was not my intention but it was like taking a cab to the airport with too many passengers - over crowded, wasn't what you expected and you wished you had waited for the next cab.

Could go on and on refuting every falsehood and deliberate "mistruth" but what is the point. The amount of falsehoods are so overwhelming in number that it would take all night. Consider the source from the mouth of the horse and then sniff the air for all that lays there.

Those who want to believe will and those who don't want to won't and nothing I can say will change that. Truth is truth and it's not changed by whether you believe it or not. This story...their story...has become Through the Looking Glass crossed with The Screwtape Letters and a dash of One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest thrown in.

The one thing I wanted to say...the most important thing I wanted to say is this....

THERE IS ONLY ONE VICTIM IN THIS ENTIRE CASE.

ONE VICTIM WHO HAS HAD NO VOICE AND NO CHOICE.

ONE VICTIM WHO HAS BEEN OVERLOOKED AND FORGOTTEN.

CAYLEE....SHE IS THE ONLY VICTIM.

Every one else has been victimized but they had a choice in what happened.

Chosen either to do something or not to do something but no matter what they had a voice and had a choice. Not Caylee.....

THERE IS ONLY ONE VICTIM IN THIS ENTIRE CASE.

ONE VICTIM WHO HAS HAD NO VOICE AND NO CHOICE.

ONE VICTIM WHO HAS BEEN OVERLOOKED AND FORGOTTEN.

CAYLEE....SHE IS THE ONLY VICTIM.

Please do not forget that in the midst of all the misdirection and media frenzy over dramatic content that keeps us scratching our head,. that there is a little girl not sleeping in her own bed.

Casey is comfortable. Cindy is comfortable. George is comfortable. Warm shower and hot food. Clean clothes and their own shoes.

Little baby doll is all alone in the pile of toys who have a home but no one to share it with.

THERE IS ONLY ONE VICTIM IN THIS ENTIRE CASE.

ONE VICTIM WHO HAS HAD NO VOICE AND NO CHOICE.

ONE VICTIM WHO HAS BEEN OVERLOOKED AND FORGOTTEN.

CAYLEE....SHE IS THE ONLY VICTIM.

That's what I really wanted to say tonight....sigh.....


http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=437141308

[WillowInFlight]

I caught that, too. I also thought it was strange in those IM messages to the ex-cop that she repeatedly talked about how sad she was and how difficult her life was. And all that crap about work, OMG, she is certainly a nut job. IMO.
I think Casey lived in her own little world, she invented lies then lived those lies in her mind.

[rosejustrose]

Can't LE get her statements without her? And can't they just run her name through their "knowall" computers and find out any card she has that she did NOT disclose?

I'm sure they could and most likely have. IMO, their point in the interview with her is that she is not cooperating, is withholding information and has changed her story. In other words, I think they were letting Cindy know they think she's a big, fat liar! JMO.

[jbellaj]

I do believe that it was the first of the month that Casey went and took the shower, because Tony was out of town..if IIRC.

Just a question as I must have missed it...?
When the concept of the 'extra key in her pocket' came up from Cindy, it was to 'explain' what about Casey?
The reason I ask is that I would think that if someone was leaving a car running and/or a child sleeping in the vehicle...they would have to leave the key in the ignition...thus having a 'spare' key to open the car doors when they returned?
Make sense?
Thanks to anyone who has an answer as to why Cindy originally said Casey had a key in her pocket.

Just my opinion of course....


She said just in case Casey "accidently" locked Caylee in the car.

[jammies]

Does anyone know if Mr. Grund posted any comments other than the first ones regarding TRUTH? His comments on NG were minimal and not anything we haven't figured out about CA already. :shrug:


I missed NG last night. So Grund's big REVEAL was nothing? Is he going to be another Padilla?

[rosejustrose]

He said NO ACTIVITY ..

I was sure he said 27, 28 or 29 of June .. :shrug:

I think frances is right. I believe he said June 17, the day after she left home with Caylee and tried frantically to get in touch with her family. IMO.

[purplepoints]

I would like to know when George works his job at Disney, he always seems to be home or collecting donations. Many of my friends and family have worked or now work for Disney, they usually work the worse shifts in the beginning and put in a lot of hours.

I have worked as a casual regular (part time cast member - 24 or less hours a week) for awhile, definitely not enough hours to pay the bills, but I was retired and wanted to keep busy. I would be working days or nights, sometimes ten hours a day, other times four hours.

IIRC George doesn't actually work for Disney, he works evenings for a company that handles the security at Disney.

[ruth66]

I do believe that it was the first of the month that Casey went and took the shower, because Tony was out of town..if IIRC.

Just a question as I must have missed it...?
When the concept of the 'extra key in her pocket' came up from Cindy, it was to 'explain' what about Casey?
The reason I ask is that I would think that if someone was leaving a car running and/or a child sleeping in the vehicle...they would have to leave the key in the ignition...thus having a 'spare' key to open the car doors when they returned?
Make sense?
Thanks to anyone who has an answer as to why Cindy originally said Casey had a key in her pocket.

Just my opinion of course....

I believe it was around the time media was saying maybe she left Caylee in the car and forgot about her (making it an accident). CA then said Casey was very cautious about leaving Caylee in the car to the point of carrying an extra key in her pocket. How many keys do those people have to that car? If Casey had 2 and George had 1, why are there so many keys to that car. Cars only come with 2 keys as far as I can remember. If an extra was made and there was indeed 3, why? Was Casey not as cautious as CA wants us to believe?:shrug:

[Katt2]

From Casey's cell records ..

June 26 .. Casey started using her phone at 8:45 .. finished that day at 23:47 ..

June 27 .. Casey started using her phone at 8:54 .. finished that day at 23:55 ..

June 28 .. Casey started using her phone at 00:15 .. finished that day at 22:26 ..

June 29 .. Casey started using her phone at 10:25 .. finished that day at 23:59 ..

There is NO 24 hour period of NO activity on Casey's cell phone ..

Padilla is FOS .. surprise, surprise .. :rolleyes:
Hopefully Nancy won't bother having him on any more ..

I thought LP had said there little or no activity around the 17th or 18th of June.

[margaritaville]

Nasty?? As in?? (Sorry, I've missed this part)

What if this is the day she disposed of her...

Caylee wasn't actually IN the trunk at that time, but "evidence" that she had been and that Casey had did whatever to 'rid' herself of her was ?!?!

Nasty as in verbally abusive...........(according to george's interview, shown on NG)

I think she was in the trunk at the time and that was why Casey wouldn't let George in it.........

MOO

[WinnieLeigh7]

From the documents released 9/23/08, Jesse told LE Casey called him at 10:15 on July 1 asking to use his shower.

Pages 1522 - 1523

jmo

Thanks

hhmm

So, we have a car left...a few hours pass....and then Tony picks her up with groceries...

Not just freezer pops...but some frozen chicken (I thought I recalled)...

b/c I remember actually laughing...all this talk about her cooking and doing laundry and playing lil' Miss Wifey...
she's cooking the man some frozen chicken nuggets.

[anyonesguess]

From Casey's cell records ..

June 26 .. Casey started using her phone at 8:45 .. finished that day at 23:47 ..

June 27 .. Casey started using her phone at 8:54 .. finished that day at 23:55 ..

June 28 .. Casey started using her phone at 00:15 .. finished that day at 22:26 ..

June 29 .. Casey started using her phone at 10:25 .. finished that day at 23:59 ..

There is NO 24 hour period of NO activity on Casey's cell phone ..

Padilla is FOS .. surprise, surprise .. :rolleyes:
Hopefully Nancy won't bother having him on any more ..


After her flurry of phone calls on the 16th, I believe there were no calls after that for a period of time IIRC.

[rosejustrose]

In my life, we have 1 large freezer and 4 refrigerators with freezers. I also would have access to my moms freezer, a large one, and one of my kids has a chest freezer. There is potential for the frozen thing, but if she was already in decomp then putting her in the freezer, even wrapped well, would cause the odor to ruin everything else in there, I am just guessing. I like the theory but I can't make it possible in my mind.
I have a hard time accepting that Caylee is out there somewhere decomposed into nothing by now...and can't imagine the cold cold heart that casey has to have, and Cindys not far behind her either.

I can't see Casey handling a cooler large enough to fit Caylee. I think that by now the elements and the animal population have made Caylee disappear and she will never be found. IMO, Casey knows this too. She can just sit there and keep spinning the kidnapping yarn and make it very difficult to bring murder charges against her. She is a hateful, spiteful person. JMO

[purplepoints]

I think frances is right. I believe he said June 17, the day after she left home with Caylee and tried frantically to get in touch with her family. IMO.

I can't recall the exact date he mentioned, but IIRC he said a something along the lines of a 24 hour period. That could mean from around 6 one day to around 6 the next. Then you could still see some activity on both of those days. JMO

[Rayosunshine]

I don't think that is Amy. Amy is a very pretty blonde - looks like a natural blonde. That girl is a brunette and doesn't look like Amy to me. (just comparing the two pictures I have seen of Amy and mystery person)

Think it could be Annie?

[rosejustrose]

Hey, Cindy didn't kill anyone, I mean should Cindy have known what the future would bring 3 years ago and just killed Casey and spared us all this drama?

moo


Nah, she should have done it 22 years ago:eek:

J/K, IMO.

[Ckrdpast]

I do too. George smelled it IMO

im not sure the body was in the trunk when george got his gas cans back--but, i'm pretty sure the Decomp smell was there--

then-if you believe "this is a kernel of truth in every lie"

casey texted amy (the very next day) and told her that her car smelled like something died in it and that it happened when George was driving the car (do you think he drove it?)


regarding the tow yard...
i also think that george knew the car was out of gas before Mr Birch informed him of that---afterall, george has gas with him, which Mr Birch thought was unusal....

[anyonesguess]

Nasty?? As in?? (Sorry, I've missed this part)

What if this is the day she disposed of her...

Caylee wasn't actually IN the trunk at that time, but "evidence" that she had been and that Casey had did whatever to 'rid' herself of her was ?!?!

She grabbed the gas cans from the trunk, and said here are your F'ing gas cans.

[jammies]

well its certainly starting to look that way. At least w/ Padilla you know hes publicity seeking and grandstanding...but what motive does jesses dad have for "stay tuned" type posts? Do they all think its Hollywood???



I believe Mr. Grund works in the entertainment industry. Big suprise, huh? lol

[Joan Weiss]

I do believe that it was the first of the month that Casey went and took the shower, because Tony was out of town..if IIRC.

Just a question as I must have missed it...?
When the concept of the 'extra key in her pocket' came up from Cindy, it was to 'explain' what about Casey?
The reason I ask is that I would think that if someone was leaving a car running and/or a child sleeping in the vehicle...they would have to leave the key in the ignition...thus having a 'spare' key to open the car doors when they returned?
Make sense?
Thanks to anyone who has an answer as to why Cindy originally said Casey had a key in her pocket.

Just my opinion of course....Good catch. You may be right, and perhaps Casey finagled the extra key, and that's why Cindy told it. imo

[day2day]

Don't you think Cindy has those regrets? I mean how does she reassure all of us who really dont matter, I bet that womans life is hell and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. If Cindy was some heartless monster we never ever would have heard about Caylee Anthony. moo

I dunno CiaoBella-i don't wish this on anyone either. BUT -i think the way Cindy has acted is TERRIBLE.
They want a prayer vigil-with no protesters. yet the one lady who came quietly to pray with HER candles-they treated HER to the water hose.

She treated Tim Miller with NO respect. This man traveled many miles to help search for her granchild and she thinks SHE has a right to belittle him? When MANY families would sell their homes to get his help.

She lied and lied and LIED some more to LE. Never shed a tear -UNTIL they caught her up in the lies-and then it was ...CAYLEEEEEEEEEE. Sorry-i smell bs a thousand miles away.

And if that wasn't bad enough...she then throws Jesse and Amy under the bus.
:shrug:
jmo

[purplepoints]

It was in the IM with the lover cop...I did catch it also, and at first went :eek: too

But the more I think about it...

I have used that term for my own children...

especially when letting them rug themselves ragged playing and saying something along the lines of "at least they'll pass out early"

ITA, I am far from being college age, but I use that expression myself.

[Rayosunshine]

IIRC it was reported only one officer lost his job for not admitting to having a relationship with Casey even after they had the text messages between them. Then I heard she had a semi relationship with another officer that owned up to it. No I don't have a link and I don't remember where I read it. Anyway he was not fired because he told the truth. Supposedly she met the one that was fired through Jesse. Don't know how she met the other one but she really got around.JMO

For some reason I thought there were two others, but haven't seen anything other then the initial media stuff.

[TxLady2]

From Casey's cell records ..

June 26 .. Casey started using her phone at 8:45 .. finished that day at 23:47 ..

June 27 .. Casey started using her phone at 8:54 .. finished that day at 23:55 ..

June 28 .. Casey started using her phone at 00:15 .. finished that day at 22:26 ..

June 29 .. Casey started using her phone at 10:25 .. finished that day at 23:59 ..

There is NO 24 hour period of NO activity on Casey's cell phone ..

Padilla is FOS .. surprise, surprise .. :rolleyes:
Hopefully Nancy won't bother having him on any more ..

It was Mark Fuhrman who said there was no cell phone acitity on June 17... and this was on Greta's show weeks ago. I have not heard Lenny say anything about the dates you posted. But he could have mixed up the dates, there is a LOT of information to keep track of.

[Joan Weiss]

im not sure the body was in the trunk when george got his gas cans back--but, i'm pretty sure the Decomp smell was there--

then-if you believe "this is a kernel of truth in every lie"

casey texted amy (the very next day) and told her that her car smelled like something died in it and that it happened when George was driving the car (do you think he drove it?)


regarding the tow yard...
i also think that george knew the car was out of gas before Mr Birch informed him of that---afterall, george has gas with him, which Mr Birch thought was unusal....He could have assumed it, knowing his daughter was carrying his gas cans. imo

ETA: I'm not ready to throw George under the bus; he was very forthcoming with investigators.

[day2day]

and his myspace has not been updated, still, since 9/26...

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=436602148

now, I guess hes jumped on the BS bandwagon.

You must have missed it barefooted
The one thing I wanted to say...the most important thing I wanted to say is this....

THERE IS ONLY ONE VICTIM IN THIS ENTIRE CASE.

ONE VICTIM WHO HAS HAD NO VOICE AND NO CHOICE.

ONE VICTIM WHO HAS BEEN OVERLOOKED AND FORGOTTEN.

CAYLEE....SHE IS THE ONLY VICTIM.

Every one else has been victimized but they had a choice in what happened.

Chosen either to do something or not to do something but no matter what they had a voice and had a choice. Not Caylee.....

THERE IS ONLY ONE VICTIM IN THIS ENTIRE CASE.

ONE VICTIM WHO HAS HAD NO VOICE AND NO CHOICE.

ONE VICTIM WHO HAS BEEN OVERLOOKED AND FORGOTTEN.

CAYLEE....SHE IS THE ONLY VICTIM.

[kOOkie1]

From Casey's cell records ..

June 26 .. Casey started using her phone at 8:45 .. finished that day at 23:47 ..

June 27 .. Casey started using her phone at 8:54 .. finished that day at 23:55 ..

June 28 .. Casey started using her phone at 00:15 .. finished that day at 22:26 ..

June 29 .. Casey started using her phone at 10:25 .. finished that day at 23:59 ..

There is NO 24 hour period of NO activity on Casey's cell phone ..

Padilla is FOS .. surprise, surprise .. :rolleyes:
Hopefully Nancy won't bother having him on any more ..

....I dont understand alot of how "pings" work and the areas they find a place of interest to search..I did find this link on ws interesting....
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70666&page=11
Post 256 regarding Ping areas..
(jmo)

[Nellie]

She didn't buy that stuff at the store, she stole it from her parents' home. What I can't figure is that the lady at Amscot said the car was there at 7AM when she arrived for work. Casey didn't call Tony until later in the morning. So, if the car was already at Amscot, how did she keep the frozen food from thawing until Tony picked her up? I'm sure one of you great sleuths can answer that for me. imo

Don't know if anyone has answered you yet...but the employee didn't say she saw Casey at 7 AM, only that she saw the car at 7AM. I doubt that Casey was there. She parked the car there....maybe even slept in it there overnight. Do we know where she spent that night? Ran it out of gas. Went home (was it close enough to her home to walk home?....hitch a ride?)....got the groceries and went back to the car later in the morning and then called Tony. That would explain why the employee could see the car at 7AM but Casey had groceries. Heck, maybe Casey was even in the car sleeping at 7 AM and that's why the employee didn't see her; only the car. But after he got awake she could have gone home and got the groceries and went back to the car to carry on her story to Tony that it ran out of gas.

Here's another thought because I just can't imagine the Princess sleeping in a smelly car overnight. Maybe she parked the car there....went home and snuck in and slept in her nice warm bed.....then the next morning after her parents left she got up and got dressed, packed up some groceries and walked or hitched a ride back over to the car and then called Tony. I'd say she wasn't with the car from 7 AM. Just right before she called Tony.

[need2no]

back to Lenny and ng :rolleyes:lenny started to say about the hotel casey was spotted that night when nancy interupted him....june 15th...father's day night....or am i a day off from what you are talking about? lol


You're right, and that has bugged me. Nancy cut Lenny off in mid sentence and it was never brought up again. Now whether there is anything to it other than speculation on his part, we don't know. I suppose I could send NG an email about this so she might ask her resident guest PaDEEa :D on a future show. Who knows...maybe LE told him to keep his mouth shut about this. :shrug:

[crymeariver2006]

That is the million dollar question. She may have been captured on a photo with Anthony Lazarro at approximately 8pm at
Blockbuster. Where she was from 12:50 p.m. when george last saw her, till Blockbuster is a very good question.

So is it at Blockbuster that the photos were captured? I haven't read back far enough to see if that was definitely determined.

Those were on 6/16 at 8 p.m. and there was no Caylee in sight.

[aubrey04]

Have you guys seen this link... it is a google map of all the locations that Casey was known to frequent.. and the fake addresses for Zenaida that Casey supplied cops.. It is pretty interesting.

The Amsot that Casey ran out of gas at is less than a mile from Ricardo and Amy's house.. FYI.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=115539722984873423379.00045575014983dc81d11&t=h&s=AARTsJqrcEPmXeO0bxuiavyT6-3dAF2-AQ&ll=28.581808,-81.309471&spn=0.200486,0.30899&z=12

[jbellaj]

Does anyone know if Mr. Grund posted any comments other than the first ones regarding TRUTH? His comments on NG were minimal and not anything we haven't figured out about CA already. :shrug:

[COLOR="Red"][COLOR="Red"]I think the big "truth" he was referring to was that Jesse offered up a poly from the get go and passed to get the case moving on. This would discount the things that Cindy said about Jesse being involved. Because Cindy didn't know that. LOL Yuri didn't tell her that he only stated that he knew for a fact that Jesse was not involved. Well she knows now.LOL

[Katt2]

It was Mark Fuhrman who said there was no cell phone acitity on June 17... and this was on Greta's show weeks ago. I have not heard Lenny say anything about the dates you posted. But he could have mixed up the dates, there is a LOT of information to keep track of.

I heard LP tell NG about the lack of phone use on the around the 17th.

[rosejustrose]

It would be hot and humid even at night, in a car trunk in FL.

I don't know where she was when Casey was out partying. But just because we don't know, I don't think we can leap to decide she was locked in the trunk, knocked out with xanax.

I agree. More often than not I'm guessing she was at home with Cindy and/or George. I thought Casey's IM to the ex-cop was very telling. Once you got past all the bs about her work and the nanny you could see how much she depended on Cindy to watch Caylee. That family is not telling the truth, IMO. I think Caylee was at home most of the time and why they won't admit it is beyond me. JMO.

[jammies]

He could have assumed it, knowing his daughter was carrying his gas cans. imo



gas cans AGAIN. Every protester should bring a gas can, tie a yellow bow around it, and set it on their front lawn.

[MyrDawn]

She said just in case Casey "accidently" locked Caylee in the car.

IMO, that's a strange thing to say. I don't need an extra key in case I lock my little one inside, because I never leave her inside alone!

I do keep an extra key to my car, in case I accidentally lock my other key inside. It has nothing to do with leaving my daughter inside alone.
JMO

[crymeariver2006]

she used the f word which appeared to have bothered him alot. I can't beleive his wife and daughter didn't walk around with potty mouths all day long. That word slips easily from their lips....
remember caseys jail phone call, dotted with f's....
I would LOVE to hear the conversation she had with Tony when she finally called him from jail. Maybe that will be in trial?

The only problem is....George has used that word too. And it was caught on tape.

I wouldn't doubt that the whole family uses obscenities in every day language.

JMO

[WinnieLeigh7]

She said just in case Casey "accidently" locked Caylee in the car.

The whole idea seems contradicting to me...

To be so "responsible" as to remember to carry a spare key everyday

but so irresponsible as to lock the keys in the car, especially if your child was inside


:shrug:

[num1barb]

im not sure the body was in the trunk when george got his gas cans back--but, i'm pretty sure the Decomp smell was there--

then-if you believe "this is a kernel of truth in every lie"

casey texted amy (the very next day) and told her that her car smelled like something died in it and that it happened when George was driving the car (do you think he drove it?)


regarding the tow yard...
i also think that george knew the car was out of gas before Mr Birch informed him of that---afterall, george has gas with him, which Mr Birch thought was unusal....


ITA, if the body wasn't there, the smell surely was. I'm still leaning toward casey putting the body into trash bags stashed in the spare tire space (less noticeable) and then she threw the bag into the dumpster at Amscot while abandoning the car.

I don't think george drove the car, he had no reason to.

I'm not too clear on WHY george had gas with him when he went to pick up the car. I haven't had time to read and listen to all of the docs, so I've probably missed the points that would clear this up for me. He MUST have known somehow that he'd need the gas, he drives an SUV not a pickup, no one (IMO) that drives an SUV would willingly drive around with gas cans in it unless they HAD to.... or were just dying to get a headache!

MOO

[Lilly12]

Hi all.
If Casey and company get away with, what I believe is murder, then just imagine the ramifications.........e.g. If one wants to get rid of thier burden, I mean child, just wait 30 days........ say the nanny took her/him.
Oh yeah, and say you did not the call the authorites....... because...... you do not trust them, and/or you were trying to find you child on your own. Yeah, that will work......
Oh, and lets not forget, you will have many, many influential people on your side........namely most defense lawyers......Just think what a boast of confidence Casey and her family are getting listening to the defence lawyers are T.V. night after night. Notice Nancy Grace has different D lawyers on her show. moo

[ruth66]

Much Ado about Nothing
Current mood: drained
Category: Life

Well, for any of you that gave up watching Heroes for NG, I apologize. I hope that you could DVR it as I did.

I did not get to say half of what I expected to say and probably created more questions then answers. Was not my intention but it was like taking a cab to the airport with too many passengers - over crowded, wasn't what you expected and you wished you had waited for the next cab.

Could go on and on refuting every falsehood and deliberate "mistruth" but what is the point. The amount of falsehoods are so overwhelming in number that it would take all night. Consider the source from the mouth of the horse and then sniff the air for all that lays there.


http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=437141308

**respectfully snipped for space**

Thank you very much! I just want to say to those that have said that this man "scares them" that he appears from all outward appearances and his writings to be a man of integrity. When I was reading yesterday and people were saying that he changed his story now I wanted to post a response but didn't. My response is this: He is a pastor of a church if I recall correctly. Would you not want your pastor to speak kindly and not be judgemental? Why go to this man's church if he were like the rest of us in that way? He is actually the only person involved in this case that has proven that he says what he means and means what he says.
Anyway, getting off the soap box...Sorry not directed at anyone just rambling thought....:)

[snap4]

It was in the IM with the lover cop...I did catch it also, and at first went :eek: too

But the more I think about it...

I have used that term for my own children...

especially when letting them rug themselves ragged playing and saying something along the lines of "at least they'll pass out early"

I found it here...
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608instantmessages/1/lg/instant_messages_with_buddy_nyitaliano3_Page_01.ht m
it is time stamped at 9:13:58 pm on the second page of the chats with nyitaliano, just in case anyone wants to see it.

I get what you are all saying aobut how hard kids sleep "pass out" I guess it was just the coldness of the way she said it that also hit a nerve "at least the kid is passed out" just so cold and uncaring, maybe that is what is really bothering me, ya know. Not "my daughter" or "she is passed out" ...THE KID...as to not really claim her emotionally. I maight have said the kids are passed out if there were more than one but which just generalizes the children but to call one child "The Kid" just sounds disconnected to me.
jmo

[jbellaj]

What was the issue that came up regarding casey that would cause a cop to lose his job or almost lose his job due to his knowing or dating her? Not like she was a convicted felon at the time. Why would they need to 'own up to' a relationship w/ her anyway? Whose business ws that? Did their cop behavior change or what??


Because he was questioned twice and he lied about it. Beary(sp) said that would not be tolorated on his force. If he just told the truth that would have been a different story.:shrug:

[desmom]

TY for the link. I found this to answer my question on how long it would take.

http://www.hbo.com/autopsy/baden/qa_3.html
"The rapidity of death from carbon monoxide poisoning depends on the amount and how quickly the carbon monoxide is inhaled. A great deal of carbon monoxide comes out of a motor car exhaust and if this is inhaled in a closed space like a garage, loss of consciousness can occur within minutes and death soon thereafter. The carbon monoxide causes death by attaching to the hemoglobin in red blood cells and thereby preventing oxygen from being brought to the cells of the body."

So, if she was parked somewhere in the open, there would need to be a leak in the system or maybe a slightly open hatchback window (did this car have one of those?) where the exhaust could be drawn into the car.

I guess it's also possible that she left the car running with Caylee in it in the garage the afternoon of the 16th when G & C were gone while she went inside to get some clothes or something and got distracted on the phone....it might not have had to be longer than 30 minutes.

I sure hope the lab checked the exhaust system in the car. moo


I agree with your scenario of her becoming distracted and Caylee was overcome by the fumes.

jmo

[rosejustrose]

IIRC George doesn't actually work for Disney, he works evenings for a company that handles the security at Disney.

Or maybe he's an event planner at Universal:shrug:

[Pooh]

I dunno CiaoBella-i don't wish this on anyone either. BUT -i think the way Cindy has acted is TERRIBLE.
They want a prayer vigil-with no protesters. yet the one lady who came quietly to pray with HER candles-they treated HER to the water hose.

She treated Tim Miller with NO respect. This man traveled many miles to help search for her granchild and she thinks SHE has a right to belittle him? When MANY families would sell their homes to get his help.

She lied and lied and LIED some more to LE. Never shed a tear -UNTIL they caught her up in the lies-and then it was ...CAYLEEEEEEEEEE. Sorry-i smell bs a thousand miles away.

And if that wasn't bad enough...she then throws Jesse and Amy under the bus.
:shrug:
jmo
Great post. Everything you wrote is right on.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Nasty as in verbally abusive...........(according to george's interview, shown on NG)

I think she was in the trunk at the time and that was why Casey wouldn't let George in it.........

MOO

aahh

I read it as "nasty" as in dirty

guess I take the "nasty" as in behavior to be a given for Casey (and *Ahem* others---gotta be a genetic factor) LOL

[Ckrdpast]

ITA, if the body wasn't there, the smell surely was. I'm still leaning toward casey putting the body into trash bags stashed in the spare tire space (less noticeable) and then she threw the bag into the dumpster at Amscot while abandoning the car.

I don't think george drove the car, he had no reason to.

I'm not too clear on WHY george had gas with him when he went to pick up the car. I haven't had time to read and listen to all of the docs, so I've probably missed the points that would clear this up for me. He MUST have known somehow that he'd need the gas, he drives an SUV not a pickup, no one (IMO) that drives an SUV would willingly drive around with gas cans in it unless they HAD to.... or were just dying to get a headache!

MOO


follow those thoughts, num1, and you will end up exactly where i am!!! and its not pretty (although-i do think he may have driven the car)

[Cury-us Coyote]

I think a lot of your questions could be answered if Cindy would give LE her credit/debit card statements. IMO, they're going to paint a very ugly picture of what Casey was really up to and where she was during this crucial period of time. IMO that's why Cindy hasn't turned them over, or hadn't turned them over, she did, after all, check them herself.:no:

IMO, LE recognized both the lack of cooperation and urgency. LE obtained all credit card records by other means.
jmo

[crymeariver2006]

I agree. More often than not I'm guessing she was at home with Cindy and/or George. I thought Casey's IM to the ex-cop was very telling. Once you got past all the bs about her work and the nanny you could see how much she depended on Cindy to watch Caylee. That family is not telling the truth, IMO. I think Caylee was at home most of the time and why they won't admit it is beyond me. JMO.

They can't admit it. Once they do, it's game over.

They had to continue the "Zanny has been Caylee's babysitter consistently for the past couple of years" (even though they had never heard of her) in order to keep up the charade.

It's now Save Casey at all costs.

JMO

[WinnieLeigh7]

Think it could be Annie?

Wasn't Annie

I've seen Annie pics

[need2no]

I heard LP tell NG about the lack of phone use on the around the 17th.


That's my recall also.

[day2day]

Great post. Everything you wrote is right on.

Thanks Pooh. Don't mean to sound so hateful-but i have had a rough mornin. :(

[jbellaj]

im not sure the body was in the trunk when george got his gas cans back--but, i'm pretty sure the Decomp smell was there--

then-if you believe "this is a kernel of truth in every lie"

casey texted amy (the very next day) and told her that her car smelled like something died in it and that it happened when George was driving the car (do you think he drove it?)


regarding the tow yard...
i also think that george knew the car was out of gas before Mr Birch informed him of that---afterall, george has gas with him, which Mr Birch thought was unusal....



Morning:seeya: Nice to see you and ITA with your post.

[not.another]

I know this has been discussed before...could someone please enlighten me...

Casey's car - was it a hatchback, or was the trunk separate from the interior of the car? TIA

I don't understand why someone would grab freezer pops to take to someone else's house when their child was already 'gone'.???

[Joan Weiss]

I can't see Casey handling a cooler large enough to fit Caylee. I think that by now the elements and the animal population have made Caylee disappear and she will never be found. IMO, Casey knows this too. She can just sit there and keep spinning the kidnapping yarn and make it very difficult to bring murder charges against her. She is a hateful, spiteful person. JMOI'm with you. I doubt that Casey expected the decomp smell, and I think she scouted out places to put the body, not realizing that every hour it would get worse. imo

[aubrey04]

Think it could be Annie?

Nope. I think Annie is a larger than that girl. I don't want to be offensive, but that girl is pretty skinny.. and Annie isn't all that skinny.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Don't know if anyone has answered you yet...but the employee didn't say she saw Casey at 7 AM, only that she saw the car at 7AM. I doubt that Casey was there. She parked the car there....maybe even slept in it there overnight. Do we know where she spent that night? Ran it out of gas. Went home (was it close enough to her home to walk home?....hitch a ride?)....got the groceries and went back to the car later in the morning and then called Tony. That would explain why the employee could see the car at 7AM but Casey had groceries. Heck, maybe Casey was even in the car sleeping at 7 AM and that's why the employee didn't see her; only the car. But after he got awake she could have gone home and got the groceries and went back to the car to carry on her story to Tony that it ran out of gas.

Here's another thought because I just can't imagine the Princess sleeping in a smelly car overnight. Maybe she parked the car there....went home and snuck in and slept in her nice warm bed.....then the next morning after her parents left she got up and got dressed, packed up some groceries and walked or hitched a ride back over to the car and then called Tony. I'd say she wasn't with the car from 7 AM. Just right before she called Tony.

ALSO...

Wonder why the employee didn't run out there when she saw Casey return to the car, stand outside of the car--with groceries in hand, and offer 'assistance' (or at least be nosey)...before Tony picked her up from there...

IF that's the way the story went...

[rosejustrose]

....I dont understand alot of how "pings" work and the areas they find a place of interest to search..I did find this link on ws interesting....
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70666&page=11
Post 256 regarding Ping areas..
(jmo)


Didn't Casey claim to have another phone or black jack which she lost? Would they be able to track the pings from that as well? There's just no telling how devious this witch is. IMO, she could have been using a cell phone that no one knows about. JMO.

[Joan Weiss]

I know this has been discussed before...could someone please enlighten me...

Casey's car - was it a hatchback, or was the trunk separate from the interior of the car? TIA

I don't understand why someone would grab freezer pops to take to someone else's house when their child was already 'gone'.???My sister has that model, and it's a hatchback. Whatever was smelling in the trunk would seep into the car. Not an air tight barrier. Even the gas cans would have been smelling it up. imo

[jbellaj]

IMO, that's a strange thing to say. I don't need an extra key in case I lock my little one inside, because I never leave her inside alone!

I do keep an extra key to my car, in case I accidentally lock my other key inside. It has nothing to do with leaving my daughter inside alone.
JMO


Let's face it she has an answer for everything. JMO

[kakax]

G'mornin everyone! Going to check the links thread...hoping for new news...expecting there won't be any lol~

[MyrDawn]

ITA, if the body wasn't there, the smell surely was. I'm still leaning toward casey putting the body into trash bags stashed in the spare tire space (less noticeable) and then she threw the bag into the dumpster at Amscot while abandoning the car.

I don't think george drove the car, he had no reason to.

I'm not too clear on WHY george had gas with him when he went to pick up the car. I haven't had time to read and listen to all of the docs, so I've probably missed the points that would clear this up for me. He MUST have known somehow that he'd need the gas, he drives an SUV not a pickup, no one (IMO) that drives an SUV would willingly drive around with gas cans in it unless they HAD to.... or were just dying to get a headache!

MOO

George knew the Pontiac had a broken gas gauge. Maybe he took gas with him just to be safe in case it was real low on gas. There wouldn't be any way of knowing, short of running out of gas while he was driving it home.
JMO

[nc1948]

He could have assumed it, knowing his daughter was carrying his gas cans. imo

ETA: I'm not ready to throw George under the bus; he was very forthcoming with investigators.

I might get blasted for this. And I might change my mind later but- I think Cindy helped with the disposal and thought the 30/31 day lapse was enough to assure the body would not be found. This is all Cindys script. I don't think George knew what was going on. Seems like he was always left out of the family loop. I think the first time George lost it on tv was when he finally figured it out. I have no sympathy for Cindy. Her whole life and lies is to cover for Casey. For some reason I do have sympathy for George. I might be all wrong. But Cindys lies, posturing, scheming, changing stories to suit, attitude of self importance, lack of emotion over misplaced Grandchild, and totally condescending attitude have made me suspect she knows a lot. She would rather cover for Casey than look for Caylee. Sad commentary on a Grandmother.

[Pooh]

Thanks Pooh. Don't mean to sound so hateful-but i have had a rough mornin. :(
I don't think you came across as hateful at all. At the beginning I had felt sorry for Cindy but with all these interviews becoming public, I have nothing left for her. I don't care what has happened, there is NO excuse for the things she's said to LE. None whatsoever. moo

[num1barb]

follow those thoughts, num1, and you will end up exactly where i am!!! and its not pretty (although-i do think he may have driven the car)

You think he drove the car on "gas can return day"?
I've always wondered what was in the big blue cooler he loaded into his SUV in the day or two after the story broke.

[day2day]

**respectfully snipped for space**

Thank you very much! I just want to say to those that have said that this man "scares them" that he appears from all outward appearances and his writings to be a man of integrity. When I was reading yesterday and people were saying that he changed his story now I wanted to post a response but didn't. My response is this: He is a pastor of a church if I recall correctly. Would you not want your pastor to speak kindly and not be judgemental? Why go to this man's church if he were like the rest of us in that way? He is actually the only person involved in this case that has proven that he says what he means and means what he says.
Anyway, getting off the soap box...Sorry not directed at anyone just rambling thought....:)

I think he LOVED this little girl. I think his family loved this little girl..heck even his dog loved her. He has made me cry and also made me angry. BUT i think he has handled all of this with much more class than most people would have.

jmo

[kOOkie1]

That's my recall also.

..and the shovel borrowed the 18th..?..I think Caylee was in the trunk on the 24th when George wanted those gas cans ..if I recall LE did take those??(jmo)

[day2day]

G'mornin everyone! Going to check the links thread...hoping for new news...expecting there won't be any lol~

mornin my friend...:seeya:

[WinnieLeigh7]

I found it here...
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608instantmessages/1/lg/instant_messages_with_buddy_nyitaliano3_Page_01.ht m
it is time stamped at 9:13:58 pm on the second page of the chats with nyitaliano, just in case anyone wants to see it.

I get what you are all saying aobut how hard kids sleep "pass out" I guess it was just the coldness of the way she said it that also hit a nerve "at least the kid is passed out" just so cold and uncaring, maybe that is what is really bothering me, ya know. Not "my daughter" or "she is passed out" ...THE KID...as to not really claim her emotionally. I maight have said the kids are passed out if there were more than one but which just generalizes the children but to call one child "The Kid" just sounds disconnected to me.
jmo

I agree

I noticed "the kid" references too...

not that I don't get---the "tone" to it.

I do say "the kiddies" "my lil' one"...and I even sometimes say "my wild child" referring to MY 2 yr. old daughter (cause Lawdy, she is LOL)...but I agree, to read that by Casey had a "negative tone" to me...

for whatever weight you can put into hearing the written word...it's not like I, for one, will ever give Casey the "benefit of the doubt" NOT at this point!

[frances1]

I dont know, I mean if you have your daughters rotting corpse in the trunk, why even chance going to your parents and having George or anyone smell her and possibly have to go into the trunk, which happened. I think probably at that time her stealing the gas cans came into handy because it can be used as an explanation as to why she was so edgy and antsy about the car, and George getting near it because of the shame she would feel for being busted stealing.:rolleyes:

I seem to remember that it was at a time of day that Casey thought George wouldn't be home.

[need2no]

George knew the Pontiac had a broken gas gauge. Maybe he took gas with him just to be safe in case it was real low on gas. There wouldn't be any way of knowing, short of running out of gas while he was driving it home.
JMO

Didn't Casey tell her parents a friend had gotten this problem fixed?

[Katt2]

That's my recall also.


It had to be LP and Nancy because I don't watch Greta and have never heard Mark talking about this case.

[Joan Weiss]

ALSO...

Wonder why the employee didn't run out there when she saw Casey return to the car, stand outside of the car--with groceries in hand, and offer 'assistance' (or at least be nosey)...before Tony picked her up from there...

IF that's the way the story went...I recall reading something about that, she wasn't standing near the car, so why would the lady make the connection? At that point the car had only been there a few hours. imo

[MyrDawn]

Didn't Casey claim to have another phone or black jack which she lost? Would they be able to track the pings from that as well? There's just no telling how devious this witch is. IMO, she could have been using a cell phone that no one knows about. JMO.

She did claim to have another cell phone. She said Universal gave it to her, but it wouldn't keep a charge so she left it on her desk in her office at Universal. Since she didn't work at Universal, or have an office or desk there, how would the LE be able to get that phone to have it checked?
JMO

[day2day]

:rose::rose:

Basically I am just BAFFLED by this case, every player, everything.

They put my family to shame!! Sits in the BAFFLED corner with ya!
:read:

[jammies]

I usually welcome my family/ friends asking me about "my latest case", because its my pasttime and I would like someone to be into it around me...like most of you my fam thinks I am nuts for this- but with this case, my mom and both daughters have actually asked me questions knowing that i would know the answers, and I have said, I just can't talk about it. Waaayyy too intense.I woudn't know where to start. The whole thing is so heinous, how do you talk about it to someone besides ourselves, on the boards?

My mom and I are together all summer so we both got involved in this case at the same time. So GLAD I have someone in REAL LIFE to vent with. My mom never watched Greta or Nancy.........she does now! I have to keep her up to date, though, as she doesn't "do" computers.

[101Spots]

George knew the Pontiac had a broken gas gauge. Maybe he took gas with him just to be safe in case it was real low on gas. There wouldn't be any way of knowing, short of running out of gas while he was driving it home.
JMO

Very early in this case, I recall hearing that GA and CA went to ransom the car and learned the tow company would not take anything but cash. They had to run off to a bank to get that much cash, and picked up gas at the same time.

No, I don't have a link, and I do not think the tow yard owner's statement verifies this, per se. But it does make sense. Who carries that much cash, when just about all places take credit cards?

Just a thought........

[rosejustrose]

George knew the Pontiac had a broken gas gauge. Maybe he took gas with him just to be safe in case it was real low on gas. There wouldn't be any way of knowing, short of running out of gas while he was driving it home.
JMO

IIRC, none of Casey's friends from the Ricardo group recalled her complaining about problems with the car and the gas gauge. IMO, that was just a "new" problem to share with her "new" friends and to cover for ditching the car. IMO, her association with Tony and his crew accelerated Casey's plans to get rid of Caylee. It seems to me that her "old" group of friends were more accepting of Caylee than the new group which is why I think they didn't see Caylee as much. JMO and nothing at all against a bunch of 20 somethings who don't want a 2 year old around while they're partying. JMO.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Good lord, this board is slow.

Can I ask where the cooler theory came from? And also who brought up the trash bag theory which seemed to "explode" or fall apart according to Padilla.

I'm pretty sure George would have known if there was a dead body in the trunk of Casey's car.

I was just responding to a possibility to go along with the frozen foods she had in hand when Tony picked her up at Amscot.

Not really "theory", more of a "possibility" that was to go along with the conversation at the moment....so to say

[desmom]

I agree. More often than not I'm guessing she was at home with Cindy and/or George. I thought Casey's IM to the ex-cop was very telling. Once you got past all the bs about her work and the nanny you could see how much she depended on Cindy to watch Caylee. That family is not telling the truth, IMO. I think Caylee was at home most of the time and why they won't admit it is beyond me. JMO.

I agree.

I think up till the day Casey and Caylee moved out, Cindy was the nanny.

Casey was running with a new group of friends. Most of them appeared to have goals in life. IMO, Casey telling people she is an "event planner" at Universal, has $15,000 in the bank and a Nanny for her 2 year old is a lot more impressive than being a h.s. dropout with a 2 year old and no job.

jmo

[MyrDawn]

Didn't Casey tell her parents a friend had gotten this problem fixed?

That I don't know. But, if you were one of her parents, would you believe her, or would you rather play it safe and take some gas along?

[penguinlady]

ITA Granny. Guess all gets tired of me saying that. I honestly can not see how WHO held this baby first of any importance. Happends alot in delivery rooms..So many questions and so few answers.


You would be suprised at the importance to some moms of who holds the baby first. I belong to a "mothers/baby" board and they have a whole section that is about "In-laws" issues (not always in -laws)...Grandma's calling the baby "their" baby..holding the baby first..issues like that. Depends on the mom (of the baby) how they feel about it. Some get REALLY bent out of shape.

I had a c-section...everyone in the world held my son before I did, LOL!

I think IF Cindy held Caylee first it might have just been the first thing in a long list of issues that Casey resented.

[not.another]

My sister has that model, and it's a hatchback. Whatever was smelling in the trunk would seep into the car. Not an air tight barrier. Even the gas cans would have been smelling it up. imo

Thank you. So...Caylee could have climbed back there. Thinking out loud...if she was drugged or chloroformed, maybe Caylee was able to get out of her carseat and move around inside the vehicle herself. Instead of being physically put into the trunk. Maybe after Caylee passed out from whatever, Casey unbuckled her carseat just in case she did wake up??? imo

Just to play devil's advocate here, we don't know for certain that it was Casey who was searching missing children online. Could have been Cindy or George. I wish we had the dates and information on when the Chloroform was looked up. That is one of the things that is nagging at me. I have to know.

[BJames]

I know this has been discussed before...could someone please enlighten me...

Casey's car - was it a hatchback, or was the trunk separate from the interior of the car? TIA

I don't understand why someone would grab freezer pops to take to someone else's house when their child was already 'gone'.???


I didn't pay much attention when we first covered this...I also wonder if that car comes stock with auto door controls? If that vehicle had a remote for the doors/trunk then the key could be left in it to play the radio/cds, leave the a/c running etc.
It would be interesting to know...

Just my opinion of course....

[WinnieLeigh7]

I know this has been discussed before...could someone please enlighten me...

Casey's car - was it a hatchback, or was the trunk separate from the interior of the car? TIA

I don't understand why someone would grab freezer pops to take to someone else's house when their child was already 'gone'.???

You can fold the backseat down and gain access to the trunk...

[frances1]

I have questions as always. But here goes while I have a chance to post.

If Caylee died in the pontiac from Chloroform being administered, why did the cadaver dogs hit in the back yard? Was Caylee put there, then dug up? If so, how and when? A shovel was borrowed, when we think Casey dug up Caylee.

So, which is it, Caylee was buried in the back yard, or she died in the trunk in a garbage bag?

Someone help me out here PLEASE!

I don't give a rat's azz what Cindy or Casey did or did not say. I want to know what happened to that child. I need forensics! If Caylee was in a garbage bag, then why the hair and chloroform in the trunk? None of this makes sense.

My second post today, and I already need a chill pill. JMO.

It has been speculated that Casey may have put Caylee somewhere in the back yard temporarily (maybe the sandbox) and that is why the dogs hit in the back yard. As far as garbage bags go, I don't know that it has been shown that garbage bags were involved, probably just thinking that they probably would be used. Also, garbage bags can leak, as we all know.

[kOOkie1]

Didn't Casey claim to have another phone or black jack which she lost? Would they be able to track the pings from that as well? There's just no telling how devious this witch is. IMO, she could have been using a cell phone that no one knows about. JMO.

..I agree. I think the blackjack is the phone Sr. Grund said he had given to Casey...Its a wonder any of her friends didnt have cell phones missing the way she like to be on one! Lord only knows.

[WinnieLeigh7]

I know this has been discussed before...could someone please enlighten me...

Casey's car - was it a hatchback, or was the trunk separate from the interior of the car? TIA

I don't understand why someone would grab freezer pops to take to someone else's house when their child was already 'gone'.???

Oh, and my 'other half'...(adult male)

He eats freezer pops ALL THE TIME!

[ruth66]

You think he drove the car on "gas can return day"?
I've always wondered what was in the big blue cooler he loaded into his SUV in the day or two after the story broke.

I think the cooler contained "cleaning up" trash. That's why I wonder about the chloroform. I think that Casey did in fact use it on Caylee but I think CA may have found the bottle in the car somewhere. Because she did not want to think that Casey used it for any other reason, she used it to clean up the trunk. She probably had rags and stuff in a bag and had George place it in the cooler to be disposed of else where. We all know that their trash got picked through. I really believe that CA went into cover-up mode even before she picked up Casey. They had seen her around (the chase down 408) they knew she was alive. Thoughts anyone?

[callmetree]

We agree totally on this, Granny. There WAS no problem, period.

:confused: if she had no problem with her why does she just not tell the truth about where her baby is? why all the lies? NO PROBLEM.... IMO that's just simply not the case.:no: i would say there is a problem with the whole A. bunch!!!

[rosejustrose]

She did claim to have another cell phone. She said Universal gave it to her, but it wouldn't keep a charge so she left it on her desk in her office at Universal. Since she didn't work at Universal, or have an office or desk there, how would the LE be able to get that phone to have it checked?
JMO


Good points! My bad, it's just so hard to keep track of all her lies. But, the phone she was using was also courtesy of Univeral, IIRC, or did she buy it using Amy's money at the ATT store? :shrug:

[crymeariver2006]

Didn't Casey claim to have another phone or black jack which she lost? Would they be able to track the pings from that as well? There's just no telling how devious this witch is. IMO, she could have been using a cell phone that no one knows about. JMO.


Maybe Lee's had the blackjack all along (if it exists) and the phone call about it was just a ruse. Casey knew he had already been thru her things because he's the one that picked them up from Tony's. Where they were all centralized.

:shrug:

And it could be that the ATT stores have already been questioned and Casey didn't buy one from there like she said she did. If her Nokia was new and her old phone was a Nokia, then yes the sim card switch would work just fine. The sim card from my DD's Razr would not work with her Blackberry, even though they were both purchased thru ATT.

Just sayin'.....

[WinnieLeigh7]

I thought it had a trunk, but joan said it was a hatchback and she is not usually wrong. So, I dunno. I looks like it has a trunk in the pics of it sitting in the evidence garage @ police dept. jmo

It's a trunk, but you can access it by pulling down the back seat (removing a carseat of course)

not sure what the actually definition of "hatchback is", I wouldn't consider it a "hatchback" personally.

[need2no]

I thought it had a trunk, but joan said it was a hatchback and she is not usually wrong. So, I dunno. I looks like it has a trunk in the pics of it sitting in the evidence garage @ police dept. jmo



A local resident, Murt, posted a bunch of pics about this case, (sorry don't have the link handy), included in the pics was a car just like Casey's and pics from the inside showed the back seat laid down into the trunk.

I'll try to find the link.

[Ckrdpast]

You think he drove the car on "gas can return day"?
I've always wondered what was in the big blue cooler he loaded into his SUV in the day or two after the story broke.

i think he drove the car---maybe not on the 24th-but within a few days of that--

one other thing that i just cant shake out of my brain---the car was abandoned on the 27th--which was a friday---everyone wonders how casey got around that morning---didnt george say his days off were fridays and saturdays?

[barskin&co.]

She did claim to have another cell phone. She said Universal gave it to her, but it wouldn't keep a charge so she left it on her desk in her office at Universal. Since she didn't work at Universal, or have an office or desk there, how would the LE be able to get that phone to have it checked?
JMO

I think they could still check the records of the phone company providers. She said it was AT&T, but I would guess that LE checked all providers. She said she used it for the same number (the crazy sim card shuffle story), but, again, what she says mean nothing. The other cell phone story seemed to be just an excuse for not having numbers, anyway.
Oy, discussing Casey's convoluted explanations make me feel like hammer

[ruth66]

I think he LOVED this little girl. I think his family loved this little girl..heck even his dog loved her. He has made me cry and also made me angry. BUT i think he has handled all of this with much more class than most people would have.

jmo

ITA, I think he is the only one that has given media interviews that hasn't given dates and info. and then changed it. Even Jesse has changed the date of when he started hearing the nanny's name was Zenaida. I just wonder how many holes Baez is going to be able to poke in all of their (everyone not just the Grunds) testimonies with all these interviews that are being given, not to mention some that are going on other MB and blogging.....

[num1barb]

i think he drove the car---maybe not on the 24th-but within a few days of that--

one other thing that i just cant shake out of my brain---the car was abandoned on the 27th--which was a friday---everyone wonders how casey got around that morning---didnt george say his days off were fridays and saturdays?

I've always wondered that, too. Amscot lady noticed it at 7 a.m., princesspantsonfire wasn't picked up until much later IIRC, after 12 noon. I doubt she walked anywhere, even less than a mile. Too much of a princess.


MOO

[canada]

IMO, that's a strange thing to say. I don't need an extra key in case I lock my little one inside, because I never leave her inside alone!

I do keep an extra key to my car, in case I accidentally lock my other key inside. It has nothing to do with leaving my daughter inside alone.
JMO

I find that odd too. I have never left my child in a vehicle ever!

[nc1948]

:rose::rose:

Basically I am just BAFFLED by this case, every player, everything.

Post of the day. Welcome to Circus World

[desmom]

I usually welcome my family/ friends asking me about "my latest case", because its my pasttime and I would like someone to be into it around me...like most of you my fam thinks I am nuts for this- but with this case, my mom and both daughters have actually asked me questions knowing that i would know the answers, and I have said, I just can't talk about it. Waaayyy too intense.I woudn't know where to start. The whole thing is so heinous, how do you talk about it to someone besides ourselves, on the boards?


My best friend often will ask questions about the cases I am following. When she asks a question about this case, I ask her which story does she want to hear...Casey's? Cindy's? George's? Lee's? What she told this friend or what she told that friend? Or do you want to hear what LE has uncovered?

This case is full of lies, twists, turns and more lies. No wonder LE has to use those large desk blotter calendars to keep everything straight.

jmo

[crymeariver2006]

Didn't Casey tell her parents a friend had gotten this problem fixed?

That's what they told Greta IIRC.

[EGirl]

She did claim to have another cell phone. She said Universal gave it to her, but it wouldn't keep a charge so she left it on her desk in her office at Universal. Since she didn't work at Universal, or have an office or desk there, how would the LE be able to get that phone to have it checked?
JMO

BUT,,,.... she also claimed that she only used ONE sim card for both phones. So, regardless of whether the phone was lost or not, her cell records would show the calls. The cell co doesn't know which actual handset she is using, it is tracking the sim.

JMO

[Joan Weiss]

Didn't Casey tell her parents a friend had gotten this problem fixed?I think it would have been obvious to George that she didn't get it fixed, since she did have his gas cans in her trunk. I can see him thinking that she was pizzed that he took them back, and didn't care how much he paid to retrieve the car. imo

[day2day]

ITA, I think he is the only one that has given media interviews that hasn't given dates and info. and then changed it. Even Jesse has changed the date of when he started hearing the nanny's name was Zenaida. I just wonder how many holes Baez is going to be able to poke in all of their (everyone not just the Grunds) testimonies with all these interviews that are being given, not to mention some that are going on other MB and blogging.....

I don't think JB is quite as smart as he thinks he is. Oh ..i believe they think they will win. I have to believe that Casey is going to pay dearly for the harm she has done to this littleone. I also think the prosecution will use the interviews of MANY in this case. We think its a circus now..i can't imagine what the trial will be like. jmo..

[callmetree]

Please light a Candle for Caylee


click any unlit candle to begin


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:

u are always so sweet to put this link on all the threads. thank you!:seeya:

[anyonesguess]

I think the cooler contained "cleaning up" trash. That's why I wonder about the chloroform. I think that Casey did in fact use it on Caylee but I think CA may have found the bottle in the car somewhere. Because she did not want to think that Casey used it for any other reason, she used it to clean up the trunk. She probably had rags and stuff in a bag and had George place it in the cooler to be disposed of else where. We all know that their trash got picked through. I really believe that CA went into cover-up mode even before she picked up Casey. They had seen her around (the chase down 408) they knew she was alive. Thoughts anyone?

I do not think she used it for cleaning anything imo. I am not sure that they would be able to stand the fumes without passing out themselves.

[Motomom]

Thank you. So...Caylee could have climbed back there. Thinking out loud...if she was drugged or chloroformed, maybe Caylee was able to get out of her carseat and move around inside the vehicle herself. Instead of being physically put into the trunk. Maybe after Caylee passed out from whatever, Casey unbuckled her carseat just in case she did wake up??? imo

Just to play devil's advocate here, we don't know for certain that it was Casey who was searching missing children online. Could have been Cindy or George. I wish we had the dates and information on when the Chloroform was looked up. That is one of the things that is nagging at me. I have to know.

:seeya:Hi everyone. I can see Caylee getting out of the carseat and roaming around the car. I can't see her being able to get the back seat down to get into the trunk though. Course I'm just jumping in so I haven't read back yet.

The missing kid searches, is it possible that someone in the family looks to see what children are missing? :shrug: I'm curious about that too, because I am always looking up that type of stuff.

[Rileyj26]

I really don't know why we are even discussing this case anymore. The DNA has been back, and they haven't arrested her..so that means they don't have anything. If they think they are going to find the body first they are dead wrong.

[MyrDawn]

I think they could still check the records of the phone company providers. She said it was AT&T, but I would guess that LE checked all providers. She said she used it for the same number (the crazy sim card shuffle story), but, again, what she says mean nothing. The other cell phone story seemed to be just an excuse for not having numbers, anyway.
Oy, discussing Casey's convoluted explanations make me feel like hammer

Oh, I'm sure they checked the providers. Just another of her lies. What's funny is she told them that tale about that phone and leaving it on her desk in her Universal office after she'd admitted she didn't work for Universal! She told so many lies she couldn't keep track of which ones the LE already knew were lies. :rolleyes:
JMO

[margaritaville]

Please do not tell me this "twit" did the impossible and committed the perfect murder and disappearance of her daughter!

This case has to break...Break wide open........

Ever think maybe we are WAY over analyzing this, and it may actually be a lot simpler??

I think all the players in this Murder/cover up......have the name Anthony........

What would it make for them to talk?? there has to be something that would make GA, CA, LA or Casey herself to snap and tell all.......

MOO

[Regina.Lampert]

back to Lenny and ng :rolleyes:lenny started to say about the hotel casey was spotted that night when nancy interupted him....june 15th...father's day night....or am i a day off from what you are talking about? lol


A day off, Padilla said she may have been spotted at that hotel on 6/16. This is where the latitude and longitude of the cell phone information is going to be very handy, imo. I also wonder if LE has a witness to place her at a hotel, perhaps sitting in the lobby waiting for George to leave the house?

[margaret kep]

Good morning everyone! :seeya: On Nancy's show last night, they played a little bit of the police interview with George. Does anyone know if the transcript has been released of his interview? What he had to say was very interesting given the little portion Nancy played. I'd love to read the entire thing.

Hi Pooh, I really don't know how to do this but I added it to my favorites and I can go in anytime to read. Here goes......http://WWW.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/24/files_releasedin_Casey_Anthony Hope it works. I'm a dummie as far as puter.

[WinnieLeigh7]

You would be suprised at the importance to some moms of who holds the baby first. I belong to a "mothers/baby" board and they have a whole section that is about "In-laws" issues (not always in -laws)...Grandma's calling the baby "their" baby..holding the baby first..issues like that. Depends on the mom (of the baby) how they feel about it. Some get REALLY bent out of shape.

I had a c-section...everyone in the world held my son before I did, LOL!

I think IF Cindy held Caylee first it might have just been the first thing in a long list of issues that Casey resented.

Hhmm, well I must be a nutcase that belongs on that board LOL

Because when my daughter (second child) was born, my son (the oldest) was to be the first to hold her outside of me and daddy in the delivery room of course...

Well that dang 'in law' refused to leave the room during delivery & my daughter was born fast (3 minutes)...

she took her and was holding her when daddy went to get my son...

I of course was not 'rational' at the moment, but you better believe, when I found out the truth...

I laid into that woman BIG time!!!!!

My third child was just born this pass summer and no one even received a phone call that I was in the hospital...
Much of the family didn't know until that night that he was born (that morning)...

Ms. Daddy's mom, didn't learn til the next day and STILL (he's almost 4 months) she hasn't even seen him!


So, yea, it's important to us nutcases!! :biggrin:

[day2day]

I really don't know why we are even discussing this case anymore. The DNA has been back, and they haven't arrested her..so that means they don't have anything. If they think they are going to find the body first they are dead wrong.

Aren't you a ray of sunshine. Maybe JUST maybe we care about CAYLEE? ..How do YOU know what LE has. And better yet..how do YOU know they won't find the body.
You scare me...:chicken:

[crymeariver2006]

Good points! My bad, it's just so hard to keep track of all her lies. But, the phone she was using was also courtesy of Univeral, IIRC, or did she buy it using Amy's money at the ATT store? :shrug:


The check she wrote to ATT from Amy's account was $574..and some change...

Somebody posted the amount of what she paid on her ATT account on 7/15 and it was coinkydinkly $574...and some change.

That tells me that she just finished wiping out Amy's bank account by paying on her cell phone bill.

JMO

[EGirl]

I really don't know why we are even discussing this case anymore. The DNA has been back, and they haven't arrested her..so that means they don't have anything. If they think they are going to find the body first they are dead wrong.



Then don't come here to discuss it. :shrug:

[happy2bme]

I think they could still check the records of the phone company providers. She said it was AT&T, but I would guess that LE checked all providers. She said she used it for the same number (the crazy sim card shuffle story), but, again, what she says mean nothing. The other cell phone story seemed to be just an excuse for not having numbers, anyway.
Oy, discussing Casey's convoluted explanations make me feel like hammer



ITA Barksin

[BJames]

<<<snipped just to ask a question Joan?>>>

In your car? Can you put one back seat down and not the other to have access to the trunk? I am just wondering if the baby carseat would have to be removed to do that? Or could just the one seat be laid down to accomplish that?
Thanks in advance if you know....

[num1barb]

I really don't know why we are even discussing this case anymore. The DNA has been back, and they haven't arrested her..so that means they don't have anything. If they think they are going to find the body first they are dead wrong.


Um....well....you DO know that you don't HAVE to be here discussing this case, don't you?
What makes you so sure they WON'T find the body? Do you know something "we" don't???

MOO

[not.another]

You would be suprised at the importance to some moms of who holds the baby first. I belong to a "mothers/baby" board and they have a whole section that is about "In-laws" issues (not always in -laws)...Grandma's calling the baby "their" baby..holding the baby first..issues like that. Depends on the mom (of the baby) how they feel about it. Some get REALLY bent out of shape.

I had a c-section...everyone in the world held my son before I did, LOL!

I think IF Cindy held Caylee first it might have just been the first thing in a long list of issues that Casey resented.

I'm thinking that Cindy was most likely in the delivery room when Caylee was born. Everyone has a coach, I'm sure Casey didn't want to be alone in the delivery room and I'm sure Cindy wanted to be there. After all, we know there was no father figure for this baby. And no name on the birth certificate. I did see a photo of Jessie holding Caylee in the hospital room though. I think it was on NG last nite or late last week. imo - I'm sure Cindy was in the delivery room.

[WillowInFlight]

Please do not tell me this "twit" did the impossible and committed the perfect murder and disappearance of her daughter!

This case has to break...Break wide open........

Ever think maybe we are WAY over analyzing this, and it may actually be a lot simpler??

I think all the players in this Murder/cover up......have the name Anthony........

What would it make for them to talk?? there has to be something that would make GA, CA, LA or Casey herself to snap and tell all.......

MOO

I think that would only happen if they started turning against each other, I just don't see that happening publicly. I do think in private that Cindy blames Casey and Casey blames Cindy.

[MyrDawn]

I hope you know your he$$bound! ..lol:chicken:

hammer

Can I help it if Casey and her family are so strange that a poor innocent got hooked on the case at my house? :biggrin:

[need2no]

Here's the link I mentioned earlier. There are pics of a car exactly like Casey's, showing the exterior and interior including the trunk, etc. Also pics of Amscot and various other case related pictures.

http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q259/M2KFL/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/?action=view&current=019-1.jpg

[honibugs]

Casey apparently told Cindy. It's in the Cindy interviews Part 2. Cindy even told the detective what hospital she was at. Zanny apparently had a concussion.

Of course LE checked it out and I'm sure they discovered that it was all BS and once again time wasted checking out Casey or Cindy's lies.


Morning all.

Can you remember if Caylee was in the car with Casey when she was telling her mother this? If not, I am thinking that she told her mother that she was a witness to this accident and she had to stay for a while because she wanted to stay out and party and probably spend the night at some guys house, if Caylee was not with her.

[margaritaville]

I really don't know why we are even discussing this case anymore. The DNA has been back, and they haven't arrested her..so that means they don't have anything. If they think they are going to find the body first they are dead wrong.


Maybe they are waiting for something else to come back?

Why arrest her right now?? Is she going anywhere???

[desmom]

You really think that a woman who lists one of her favorite shows as CSI knows nothing about decomp?

Only if she had smell-a-vision.

IMO, the bodies they show on CSI look pretty darn good for someone that was supposed to have been dead for several days.

jmo

[Motomom]

Please do not tell me this "twit" did the impossible and committed the perfect murder and disappearance of her daughter!

This case has to break...Break wide open........

Ever think maybe we are WAY over analyzing this, and it may actually be a lot simpler??

I think all the players in this Murder/cover up......have the name Anthony........

What would it make for them to talk?? there has to be something that would make GA, CA, LA or Casey herself to snap and tell all.......

MOO


You must have been posting that while I was thinking it lol I'm not sure, it could be much simplier, because this story is normally in books or movies. I cannot imagine plotting this all out.

[ruth66]

I don't think JB is quite as smart as he thinks he is. Oh ..i believe they think they will win. I have to believe that Casey is going to pay dearly for the harm she has done to this littleone. I also think the prosecution will use the interviews of MANY in this case. We think its a circus now..i can't imagine what the trial will be like. jmo..


Here's to hoping its televised somewhere. Otherwise I will have spent the better part of a summer into fall without being able to see the end result. I want to see justice in this case.:patriot:

[shelbar53]

I've been reading the docs over again at this link:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

It's very confusing. According to Cindy, Casey stole the vehicle on June 30th. I thought Casey was free to use that white car. There were four cars for that household. Cindy had a green SUV. Anyway, if Casey were going to steal it, wouldn't she have taken it around June 15th?

There is an error in the docs when it comes to Cindy's second 911 call.
They have the call as June 15th.

When did george say that casey was in cindys car driving down the turnpike? maybe that was what she was refering to

[kaylynn]

Maybe they are waiting for something else to come back?

Why arrest her right now?? Is she going anywhere???

They need to arrest her now so that she can sit in jail where she belongs!!! It doesn't matter if she's going anywhere or not..she shouldn't be allowed the luxuries of being at home if she murdered her daughter.

[kakax]

I thought it had a trunk, but joan said it was a hatchback and she is not usually wrong. So, I dunno. I looks like it has a trunk in the pics of it sitting in the evidence garage @ police dept. jmo

http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q259/M2KFL/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/

You can see a virtual twin to Casey's car in this photo album. There are some great pictures in it.

[nc1948]

Then don't come here to discuss it. :shrug:

Thanks EGirl, you said it before I could.

[kOOkie1]

...and my thing is if Cindy says she has had contact with Casey during this month time frame with Casey giving her excuses and never letting her talk with Caylee..blah blah..and like above poster noted..George saying he chased/followed Casey that one day..Where do they get the whole "worried that it was either Casey or Caylee in the trunk" from?? ..ummm your daughter is alive and lying..soo..
I get sooo irratated with the lies that even if they were to tell the truth it would be hard to believe any of them anymore..(jmo)

[num1barb]

Padilla. He's a worse speculator then the rest of us. He "suggested" the other night that there are two dumpsters behind Amscot. One for recyclables and the other for garbage. He "thought" maybe Caylee was in a garbage bag which was put in the recyclable bin instead of the dumpster which was too high for Casey to reach, so Caylee was put in the recycle bin. Sheesh! :rolleyes:

He also speculated than when Caylee was removed from the trunk in the garbage bag, it broke, and thus the decomp on Casey's pants.

Well Dunnie, I must say that I first floated that trash bag theory on this board last week myself. Just trying to make all the pieces fit, ya know? From the pics I've seen of that type of car, an almost 3 y.o. wrapped in trash bags would fit into the spare tire space, and the trash bags WOULD account for the limited amount of decomp fluid as opposed to a big pool of fliud that I'd think would be present if she wasn't wrapped. Maybe LP read it here first and then ran with it?:shrug:

[WillowInFlight]

Can you remember if Caylee was in the car with Casey when she was telling her mother this? If not, I am thinking that she told her mother that she was a witness to this accident and she had to stay for a while because she wanted to stay out and party and probably spend the night at some guys house, if Caylee was not with her.
I thought in the interview Cindy said Caylee was with Casey.

[WinnieLeigh7]

I really don't know why we are even discussing this case anymore. The DNA has been back, and they haven't arrested her..so that means they don't have anything. If they think they are going to find the body first they are dead wrong.

Where's Barskin??

Barefoot??

I'm going to adopt ya'll's names and become Bareskin

Barehead:confused:

there went another patch of hair...


:biggrin:

[kakax]

mornin my friend...:seeya:



Have you had a rough morning? :( I hope it gets better...:rose:

[Joan Weiss]

I really don't know why we are even discussing this case anymore. The DNA has been back, and they haven't arrested her..so that means they don't have anything. If they think they are going to find the body first they are dead wrong.Why do you think they are withholding certain interviews, and why do you think we're not seeing the test results? TIA.

Oh, and why do you think they have released a witness list for the anticipated charges?

[day2day]

hammer

Can I help it if Casey and her family are so strange that a poor innocent got hooked on the case at my house? :biggrin:

And by your OWN admission-YOU turned her over to the darkside! ...

Lost forever!!!

As long as she doesn't start picking up any of Casey's traits you might be alright! (make sure your checkbook is still in your house when she leaves)..j/k hammer

[MyrDawn]

I'm thinking that Cindy was most likely in the delivery room when Caylee was born. Everyone has a coach, I'm sure Casey didn't want to be alone in the delivery room and I'm sure Cindy wanted to be there. After all, we know there was no father figure for this baby. And no name on the birth certificate. I did see a photo of Jessie holding Caylee in the hospital room though. I think it was on NG last nite or late last week. imo - I'm sure Cindy was in the delivery room.

I believe Cindy was in the delivery room, too. I wouldn't be surprised if she was barking instructions at the doctor, nurses and Casey. JMO

[shelbar53]

I think the cooler contained "cleaning up" trash. That's why I wonder about the chloroform. I think that Casey did in fact use it on Caylee but I think CA may have found the bottle in the car somewhere. Because she did not want to think that Casey used it for any other reason, she used it to clean up the trunk. She probably had rags and stuff in a bag and had George place it in the cooler to be disposed of else where. We all know that their trash got picked through. I really believe that CA went into cover-up mode even before she picked up Casey. They had seen her around (the chase down 408) they knew she was alive. Thoughts anyone?


IIRC the cooler had water in it that he was delivering to the searchers early on in the investigation.

[margaritaville]

I think that would only happen if they started turning against each other, I just don't see that happening publicly. I do think in private that Cindy blames Casey and Casey blames Cindy.



Well since Cindy has made it CRYSTAL clear that she has done nothing but cooperate with LE....Why doesn't LE start playing hardball with these guys?? A little good cop/bad cop......

Have different cops interviewing each of them at the same time.

They could then do the "george told us this, Cindy what do you have to say about it?" And try and get these people to turn on one another. I bet they would................IMO

[ruth66]

I do not think she used it for cleaning anything imo. I am not sure that they would be able to stand the fumes without passing out themselves..

Then why the reports of high volumes of chloroform? That is the reason for my theory. If not used to clean up, why the high amounts? Wouldn't Casey have passed out driving the car around? If Caylee purged right before death, that wouldn't give off chloroform would it? In my little mind I am seeing chloroform being used like in the movies (on a rag held over someones mouth) not ingested. I just can't figure out the chloroform. :shrug:

[WinnieLeigh7]

In your car? Can you put one back seat down and not the other to have access to the trunk? I am just wondering if the baby carseat would have to be removed to do that? Or could just the one seat be laid down to accomplish that?
Thanks in advance if you know....

I'm not Joan

but I have the same make of car...

and the answer is no

it's One big back seat...would have to remove the carseats to pull it down

[shelbar53]

Can you remember if Caylee was in the car with Casey when she was telling her mother this? If not, I am thinking that she told her mother that she was a witness to this accident and she had to stay for a while because she wanted to stay out and party and probably spend the night at some guys house, if Caylee was not with her.

IMO caylee was dead long before this happend..this was a lie so cindy would NOT be able to talk to her

[Joan Weiss]

Well Dunnie, I must say that I first floated that trash bag theory on this board last week myself. Just trying to make all the pieces fit, ya know? From the pics I've seen of that type of car, an almost 3 y.o. wrapped in trash bags would fit into the spare tire space, and the trash bags WOULD account for the limited amount of decomp fluid as opposed to a big pool of fliud that I'd think would be present if she wasn't wrapped. Maybe LP read it here first and then ran with it?:shrug:The spare tire well is in the center of the trunk. The dogs hit on the passenger side, the fender IIRC. The car seat inside was also on that side, according to Burch. imo

[jammies]

I turned my neighbor to the dark side. Now we watch NG almost every night together. She's as hooked on the Anthony case as I am now. :D



My cousin and her family live down the street. They like to come down Friday evenings. I keep telling her NOT to come down until after 9 when NG is over. She thinks I'm obsessed. Nawwww! I didn't even watch the debates with them as I had to catch NG the second time around on the kitchen tv.

[margaret kep]

The check she wrote to ATT from Amy's account was $574..and some change...

Somebody posted the amount of what she paid on her ATT account on 7/15 and it was coinkydinkly $574...and some change.

That tells me that she just finished wiping out Amy's bank account by paying on her cell phone bill.

JMO

I remember posting that. IIRC it was listed on 2nd charges when she was arrested the 2nd time.

[Joan Weiss]

I'm not Joan

but I have the same make of car...

and the answer is no

it's One big back seat...would have to remove the carseats to pull it downThat's correct, Winnie.

[MyrDawn]

Well since Cindy has made it CRYSTAL clear that she has done nothing but cooperate with LE....Why doesn't LE start playing hardball with these guys?? A little good cop/bad cop......

Have different cops interviewing each of them at the same time.

They could then do the "george told us this, Cindy what do you have to say about it?" And try and get these people to turn on one another. I bet they would................IMO

ITA They are willing to throw Caylee under the bus to protect Casey and possibly themselves, and I'll bet any one of them would throw any or all of the others under the bus to protect themself if it came down to it.
JMO

[need2no]

I'm not Joan

but I have the same make of car...

and the answer is no

it's One big back seat...would have to remove the carseats to pull it down



Here's a pic of the backseat/trunk of a car exactly like Casey's.


http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q259/M2KFL/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/?action=view&current=019-1.jpg

[day2day]

Have you had a rough morning? :( I hope it gets better...:rose:

thanks kakax!! if they don't arrest casey soon..i might just have to make a citizens arrest so i can get my work done on time! :D

[Pooh]

I turned my neighbor to the dark side. Now we watch NG almost every night together. She's as hooked on the Anthony case as I am now. :D
That's neat. All I have is you guys. My sons nor my husband really care about this stuff. Thank GOD you guys are here!! :lol:

[aubrey04]

i think he drove the car---maybe not on the 24th-but within a few days of that--

one other thing that i just cant shake out of my brain---the car was abandoned on the 27th--which was a friday---everyone wonders how casey got around that morning---didnt george say his days off were fridays and saturdays?

Tony picked her up on the 27th.. I believe she spent the night with him on the 27th.. Then Casey took Tony to the airport using his car, IIRC.. Casey showed up at Amy and Ricardo's on the 30th.. Amy and Casey went to get gas cans/gas for Casey's car.

[WillowInFlight]

Well since Cindy has made it CRYSTAL clear that she has done nothing but cooperate with LE....Why doesn't LE start playing hardball with these guys?? A little good cop/bad cop......

Have different cops interviewing each of them at the same time.

They could then do the "george told us this, Cindy what do you have to say about it?" And try and get these people to turn on one another. I bet they would................IMO

LOL, I was thinking the same thing not to long ago, then thought that probably only happens on TV.

[crymeariver2006]

When did george say that casey was in cindys car driving down the turnpike? maybe that was what she was refering to

Wasn't it the 28th?

So when Cindy writes in her statement on 7/15 that she called Casey "3 weeks ago" and asked her to return her car....(3 weeks prior would have been approx 6/28)

Is she talking about HER car, the 4Runner....or is she talking about Casey's car (technically George & Cindy's car) the Sunbird?

[num1barb]

The spare tire well is in the center of the trunk. The dogs hit on the passenger side, the fender IIRC. The car seat inside was also on that side, according to Burch. imo

Guess I should have finished typing my theory....perhaps when princess was removing the trash bag from the spare tire well, it tore and leaked some fliuds into the trunk on the passenger side, and onto princess's striped slacks. Sorry I left that part out!!! That would account for the small amount of fluid found in the trunk in the area it was found, as opposed to a large stain in the whole trunk if the body were not wrapped.

MOO of course

[oldbluesmith]

When did george say that casey was in cindys car driving down the turnpike? maybe that was what she was refering toJune 23rd per his LE interview. IIRC JMHO

[jammies]

Quite honestly, I have had to try and step away from the NG show. The pictures of Caylee wreck havoc on my soul. I cannot look at that beautiful child anymore and not know where she is or what happened to her.

:rose:


I can look at the pictures but not the video on her GGFather's lap. Every time they show it, I look away.

[WinnieLeigh7]

They need to arrest her now so that she can sit in jail where she belongs!!! It doesn't matter if she's going anywhere or not..she shouldn't be allowed the luxuries of being at home if she murdered her daughter.

I wouldn't call living in that house a luxury LOL

J/K :biggrin:

[WillowInFlight]

I'm sorry, but you have to be a psycho to put a dead 3 year old in a garbage bag and dispose of her.

That goes to insanity of it did, in fact, happen.

Well I would think you would probably have to be a psycho to kill your 3 old in the first place.

[Pooh]

Hi Pooh, I really don't know how to do this but I added it to my favorites and I can go in anytime to read. Here goes......http://WWW.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/24/files_releasedin_Casey_Anthony Hope it works. I'm a dummie as far as puter.
Thanks, margaret but it says page cannot be displayed. :confused:

[margaritaville]

They need to arrest her now so that she can sit in jail where she belongs!!! It doesn't matter if she's going anywhere or not..she shouldn't be allowed the luxuries of being at home if she murdered her daughter.



Ok so they arrest her right now.......
Her lawyer files for her right of a speedy trial. that means they have 3 moths to be in front of a judge. If they do not have all the forensics back ect. they are SCREWED!! She can't be charged with the same crime twice so they have to get everything right the first time...

Let her sit at home for now......Let LE get all their ducks in a row and be prepared for trial. She is not going anywhere. She will be in court on her theft charges in NOV..that is only another month away...

Patience.......Casey will get what she deserves..........imho
In due time!!!

[not.another]

I agree with you. Do we know the dates of the chloroform searches and if they were actually purchased? It was Cindy's lap top and this BS about no one having Casey's password but her is ludicrous. JMO

It is pretty ludicrous if you ask me. I don't believe the dates of the chloroform searches has been made public. imo

[aubrey04]

I really don't know why we are even discussing this case anymore. The DNA has been back, and they haven't arrested her..so that means they don't have anything. If they think they are going to find the body first they are dead wrong.

I think you might want to read this link -

Casey Anthony: The Evidence
Anthony Could Face Charges In Daughter's Disappearance In Weeks

http://www.wesh.com/news/17563488/detail.html

First off, you don't need a body to be charged with murder. Examples - Hans Reiser.. Jennifer/Skylar Deleon.. etc.

Secondly, just because an indictment doesn't get handed down in the time frame a CSI episode is solved - does NOT mean the person won't get charged/indicted. It takes time to build a case, investigate all aspects and test (then re-test) evidence.

Third, read the link I posted.

[crymeariver2006]

I'm sorry, but you have to be a psycho to put a dead 3 year old in a garbage bag and dispose of her.

That goes to insanity of it did, in fact, happen.

I don't think she's got a chance at insanity. JMO

A person thinking clearly would put a body in a trash bag in order to disguise it.

A true psycho would have just left the body laying....in the trunk or make no attempt to conceal the crime.

[ilovemylife]

I think you might want to read this link -

Casey Anthony: The Evidence
Anthony Could Face Charges In Daughter's Disappearance In Weeks

http://www.wesh.com/news/17563488/detail.html

First off, you don't need a body to be charged with murder. Examples - Hans Reiser.. Jennifer/Skylar Deleon.. etc.

Secondly, just because an indictment doesn't get handed down in the time frame a CSI episode is solved - does NOT mean the person won't get charged/indicted. It takes time to build a case, investigate all aspects and test (then re-test) evidence.

Third, read the link I posted.



ITA :beer: She will get hers but it's going to take time.

[not.another]

I really don't know why we are even discussing this case anymore. The DNA has been back, and they haven't arrested her..so that means they don't have anything. If they think they are going to find the body first they are dead wrong.


I disagree. I think they have alot - probably alot of circumstancial as it has been stated. They are just waiting for more of something - possibly a body. Who knows - I wish we did.;)

[margaret kep]

I do, too...

I do 3.:rose:

[kakax]

I really don't know why we are even discussing this case anymore. The DNA has been back, and they haven't arrested her..so that means they don't have anything. If they think they are going to find the body first they are dead wrong.

Ok, then. Nice to see you :seeya:

I'm not so pessimistic about what LE has or will have and what will happen in this case.

To each their own.

[shelbar53]

Wasn't it the 28th?

So when Cindy writes in her statement on 7/15 that she called Casey "3 weeks ago" and asked her to return her car....(3 weeks prior would have been approx 6/28)

Is she talking about HER car, the 4Runner....or is she talking about Casey's car (technically George & Cindy's car) the Sunbird?

I dont know anymore there is so much double talk with the anthonys. and when people say the 28th or any date for that matter, half the time they dont use a month...so are they talking about june or july????so i get even more mixed up. i need to hook up my printer back up and start to print this stuff out

[ilovemylife]

I disagree. I think they have alot - probably alot of circumstancial as it has been stated. They are just waiting for more of something - possibly a body. Who knows - I wish we did.;)



Yes, thinking about all the evidence that HAS BEEN released to us, that sure makes Casey seem without a doubt guilty to most of us. Think of all the evidence they have that they are saving for trial. :) I personally can not wait!!

[ruth66]

...and my thing is if Cindy says she has had contact with Casey during this month time frame with Casey giving her excuses and never letting her talk with Caylee..blah blah..and like above poster noted..George saying he chased/followed Casey that one day..Where do they get the whole "worried that it was either Casey or Caylee in the trunk" from?? ..ummm your daughter is alive and lying..soo..
I get sooo irratated with the lies that even if they were to tell the truth it would be hard to believe any of them anymore..(jmo)

And for some reason I think that is the plan with all the lying. Makes it hard to believe anything.
But in all this, without all the extra stuff I think we will be surprised at how simple it really is. Did anyone follow the Melanie Mcguire trial. Letters were introduced that were sent to LE and media trying to point the finger at a great array of characters. In the end the evidence convicted her. At that time on this board so many people were perplexed about those letters and stories. I think we are seeing a repeat. Stories being told to fulfil all of our wildest imaginations.

[nc1948]

That's neat. All I have is you guys. My sons nor my husband really care about this stuff. Thank GOD you guys are here!! :lol:

My son sometimes asks what is going on in this case. When I get into all the lies, twist and turns I can see his eyes glaze over.

[Joan Weiss]

Here's the link I mentioned earlier. There are pics of a car exactly like Casey's, showing the exterior and interior including the trunk, etc. Also pics of Amscot and various other case related pictures.

http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q259/M2KFL/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/?action=view&current=019-1.jpgThank you! It doesn't appear to me that the car seat would have to be removed, but I don't know exactly how they fit. Anyone?

[margaritaville]

I don't think she's got a chance at insanity. JMO

A person thinking clearly would put a body in a trash bag in order to disguise it.

A true psycho would have just left the body laying....in the trunk or make no attempt to conceal the crime.

In order to prove insane wouldn't they first have to prove that she didn't know right from wrong?

and if she put her in a trash bag and hid her wouldn't that prove she knew it was wrong??

MOO

[FrankieBones1]

I think Caylee was getting to the age she was talking a lot and it was not going to be easy to put her in the trunk at night. with xanxa. casey was afraid she was going to start telling cindy everything, It would take more meds to keep her asleep too. when a child gets caylee age they start telling everything. You really have to be careful what you say and do in front of them. jmho :rose:

I don't think Casey put Caylee in the trunk of the car while she was alive. I think she would have her in the back seat with the window rolled down a bit. Maybe she would knock her out and then put a blanket or sheet over her. Would be nice to know where she parked the car when or if she did this.

[shelbar53]

i quick went to the grocery store. but I read that tony NEVER said the food was frozen. dont know if anyone answered, im trying to get caught up

the freezy pops, are not frozen, they are the long ones in a hard kinda plastic, you freeze them. i buy them in a case with 100 in them and put them in the freezer several at a time. you snip the top and then keep squeezing the bottom as you eat them

[warrkat]

Good Morning, everybody.

I didn't want to type anything until I caught up reading everyone's comments. You've been going at break-neck pace this morning. Wish I could have seen Mr. Grund last night, but it doesn't sound as if he really had very much to say...... certainly not the "bombshell" some of us might have been expecting.

[margaret kep]

Is this the day she went to Jesse's to shower?? Did she have groceries when she went to Jesse's??

I think CA walked home after dumping car and took groceries from Cindy. IIRC Tone said frozen pasta etc. were of home pkgs like clear freezer bags that I often put meat etc in my freezer. Then she had Tone pick her up. jmo

[Joan Weiss]

My son sometimes asks what is going on in this case. When I get into all the lies, twist and turns I can see his eyes glaze over.lol...I was explaining it all to one of my sisters; between all the omgs and head shaking, her hubby (in the living room) was going harumph! In other words "Can we talk about something more pleasant?"

[Pooh]

My son sometimes asks what is going on in this case. When I get into all the lies, twist and turns I can see his eyes glaze over.

LOL! It takes thick skin and real focus to get through THIS case!

[crymeariver2006]

In order to prove insane wouldn't they first have to prove that she didn't know right from wrong?

and if she put her in a trash bag and hid her wouldn't that prove she knew it was wrong??

MOO

You got it!

[not.another]

Here's a pic of the backseat/trunk of a car exactly like Casey's.


http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q259/M2KFL/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/?action=view&current=019-1.jpg

Wow, I hadn't seen those pictures before. Those are pictures of her actual car?

So, it appears Caylee would not have been able to climb over the back seat into the trunk on her own. That answers my original question. Thank you need2no. So, she would have been 'physically' placed in the trunk...hmmmm....

[aubrey04]

Isn't he the one that said she's not supposed to drive my car while I'm gone? But he gives her the keys and everything? Thinks she will take his car back home and park it?

What are these people thinking? :shrug:

Well, yeah. I did read where he said he didn't think she was going to drive his car "all over creation" or something.. but she used his car to drop him off at the airport on the 30th.. then she picked him up in his Jeep on July 5th.. IIRC

[ccnsd]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ccnsd View Post
After looking at this page, I noticed in the description block that the recent photo is dating 5/31/08. Isn't it the same photo supposedly taken on the 6/15/08 Fathers day? Anyone notice that or is it just me?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media...8/41844520.pdf
Could you please reference a page number? This document has 432 pages.

I think I've heard before that Cindy had corrected her statement on the date of that photo, (I have no link).

It's interesting how Cindy points out inconsistencies in everyone else s statements, yet she won't account for her own.

Cindy has accused both Amy and Jesse, while being well aware of Casey's lie after lie. How in the world can anybody be that gullible?

The sad thing is, I really think that Cindy is almost as crazy as Casey.

But that's JMHO
Edit/Delete Message

It's on page 26. and ITA re: not taking reponsibility for their own actions. The whole family I believe are covering something. JMO
I wonder if Cindy gave up "all" her cc and bank statements as asked.

[ilovemylife]

Wow, I hadn't seen those pictures before. Those are pictures of her actual car?

So, it appears Caylee would not have been able to climb over the back seat into the trunk on her own. That answers my original question. Thank you need2no. So, she would have been 'physically' placed in the trunk...hmmmm....

NOT the actual car.

[kakax]

thanks kakax!! if they don't arrest casey soon..i might just have to make a citizens arrest so i can get my work done on time! :D

Can I come? I can wear my son's sheriff's badge!!:D

[shelbar53]

Why did you say striped slacks ........? Is there accounts anywhere that cindy said the slacks she washed were striped slacks .............that is what George said Casey was wearing the day she left with Catlee on 6-16 , gworge said she had on striped dress slacks ,so he thought she was going to work that day ...

please answer this.

Why could george remember what casey was wearing a month ago on a normal day but no one could remember if they babysat caylee on any given day. they were no help with the timeline :cuss:

[WinnieLeigh7]

Thank you! It doesn't appear to me that the car seat would have to be removed, but I don't know exactly how they fit. Anyone?

The carseat for a toddler Caylee's size would be a front facing, with back carseat/booster type, whereas the seatbelt holds the carseat in place and a 5 point harness buckles in the child...

because of it's size, to get the seat down to access the trunk, it would have to be removed.

As a mother of 3 (one in a booster, one 'front facing seat like Caylee's and a rear facing infant seat)...
who owns a Sunfire like Casey's...
let me consider myself a...oh, what's the word....what was Lenny??
Self Made Expert or something? LOL J/K

(Seriously, the rest is true though)

[margaritaville]

Good Morning, everybody.

I didn't want to type anything until I caught up reading everyone's comments. You've been going at break-neck pace this morning. Wish I could have seen Mr. Grund last night, but it doesn't sound as if he really had very much to say...... certainly not the "bombshell" some of us might have been expecting.


In the "links only thread" there is Nancy Grace where you can watch last nights show if you wanted too......

[kakax]

Wow, I hadn't seen those pictures before. Those are pictures of her actual car?

So, it appears Caylee would not have been able to climb over the back seat into the trunk on her own. That answers my original question. Thank you need2no. So, she would have been 'physically' placed in the trunk...hmmmm....

I think they are pictures of a car just like hers. Not the actual one.

[Joan Weiss]

i quick went to the grocery store. but I read that tony NEVER said the food was frozen. dont know if anyone answered, im trying to get caught up

the freezy pops, are not frozen, they are the long ones in a hard kinda plastic, you freeze them. i buy them in a case with 100 in them and put them in the freezer several at a time. you snip the top and then keep squeezing the bottom as you eat themThank you, shel, and if she walked, that would account for the couple of hours gap between 7AM when the car was spotted by the Amscot employee and the 10:30? pick up by Tony. imo

[WillowInFlight]

Thanks for that link. You are absolutely correct, you don't need a body. They are dotting their "i's" and crossing their "ts" before they hand down an indictment on first, maybe second degree murder. The evidence all points to Casey. However, prosecution will have a tough road ahead of them, and I think they know that.

I find it interesting that they give us "just a tad" of information to see what sticks, and what questions the public has. A potential jury pool. They want to be sure all questions are answered before they take her to trial.

JMO.

And when this goes to trial I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Baez tries to have it moved to another jurisdiction.

[num1barb]

Why did you say striped slacks ........? Is there accounts anywhere that cindy said the slacks she washed were striped slacks .............that is what George said Casey was wearing the day she left with Catlee on 6-16 , gworge said she had on striped dress slacks ,so he thought she was going to work that day ...

please answer this.

Yes, IIRC the striped slacks that cindy washed were strangely similar in description to the striped slacks that george said princess was wearing.

[need2no]

Thank you! It doesn't appear to me that the car seat would have to be removed, but I don't know exactly how they fit. Anyone?

YW! The backseat just lays or folds down...but Casey would have to move Caylee's child (protective) seat to the front passenger seat in order to fold the backseat down.

[callmetree]

I really don't know why we are even discussing this case anymore. The DNA has been back, and they haven't arrested her..so that means they don't have anything. If they think they are going to find the body first they are dead wrong.

:shrug: why don't u just not read or post here? MOO u don't have to discuss the case. i'm sure u are going to get hammer over this post.good luck!

[shelbar53]

I think we all should meet somewhere with chalkboads and calenders and dry erase boards and hash it all out and get the timelines straight and who said what. :biggrin:

[crymeariver2006]

Why could george remember what casey was wearing a month ago on a normal day but no one could remember if they babysat caylee on any given day. they were no help with the timeline :cuss:

That's the problem a lot of us have with George's version of 6/16/08.

:shrug:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Didn't Casey tell her parents a friend had gotten this problem fixed?

IIRC, during the imaginary Jacksonville (?) trip when GA questioned if the service was overcharged. Did he also say he saw a reciept on the fancy word for a dresser, which I can't spell?
jmo

[num1barb]

Why could george remember what casey was wearing a month ago on a normal day but no one could remember if they babysat caylee on any given day. they were no help with the timeline :cuss:

IMO, george had no a clue what princess was wearing that day...he just said striped pants because those are the ones that cindy took out of the car and washed.

MOO

[Joan Weiss]

Well, yeah. I did read where he said he didn't think she was going to drive his car "all over creation" or something.. but she used his car to drop him off at the airport on the 30th.. then she picked him up in his Jeep on July 5th.. IIRCAnd she got it washed. I wonder if that was to cover up that she had been using it?

[desmom]

June 23rd per his LE interview. IIRC JMHO

June 23rd? The same day Cindy said Casey called her to say she was at Tampa General with Zanny & Raquel?

Oh-oh, someone lied. :eek:

jmo

[WinnieLeigh7]

I think we all should meet somewhere with chalkboads and calenders and dry erase boards and hash it all out and get the timelines straight and who said what. :biggrin:



It would like like something my 2 year old drew by the time we finished....

but hey, we could sell it for art, it sure would be colorful if we all had different color markers.

[crymeariver2006]

I think we all should meet somewhere with chalkboads and calenders and dry erase boards and hash it all out and get the timelines straight and who said what. :biggrin:


Then what you'd have would be the Million Chalkboard March.

[crymeariver2006]

June 23rd? The same day Cindy said Casey called her to say she was at Tampa General with Zanny & Raquel?

Oh-oh, someone lied. :eek:

jmo

No way!

:eek:

[Joan Weiss]

IMO, george had no a clue what princess was wearing that day...he just said striped pants because those are the ones that cindy took out of the car and washed.

MOOMaybe seeing those pants triggered his memory. imo

[Pooh]

June 23rd? The same day Cindy said Casey called her to say she was at Tampa General with Zanny & Raquel?

Oh-oh, someone lied. :eek:

jmo

Oh yeah, can you believe the extent of Casey's lies??? I was like, :eek:

That girl has a HUGE problem. But you guys know that already. :)

[ruth66]

IIRC, during the imaginary Jacksonville (?) trip when GA questioned if the service was overcharged. Did he also say he saw a reciept on the fancy word for a dresser, which I can't spell?
jmo


The receipt he saw was for the tow that she got when something something about flat tires (it was in his interview that was just released). He asked for receipts for the job that the friend did to her car but never got anything.

[Joan Weiss]

The carseat for a toddler Caylee's size would be a front facing, with back carseat/booster type, whereas the seatbelt holds the carseat in place and a 5 point harness buckles in the child...

because of it's size, to get the seat down to access the trunk, it would have to be removed.

As a mother of 3 (one in a booster, one 'front facing seat like Caylee's and a rear facing infant seat)...
who owns a Sunfire like Casey's...
let me consider myself a...oh, what's the word....what was Lenny??
Self Made Expert or something? LOL J/K

(Seriously, the rest is true though)lol, thanks, Winnie. Well, there we have it, the interior of the car smelled because the back seat was up, making the trunk part of the interior. imo

[crymeariver2006]

IMO, george had no a clue what princess was wearing that day...he just said striped pants because those are the ones that cindy took out of the car and washed.

MOO

ITA

That factoid was left out of his 7/15 written statement, in fact he says that the last time he saw Caylee (or heard her voice) was on 6/9 - that's when they were all using the 6/9 date). No mention of clothes, backbacks....

The interview we saw last week was 8/4.

Greta's interview (which was basically a rehash of his 8/4 statement to LE, minus of course the "here's your f'ing gas cans") was in 8/5 and 8/6.

You do the math. By 8/4, the "story" was already decided on.

JMO

[BJames]

Many thanks for the pics of the car (I had not seen them), and the description of the backseat and trunk.

[need2no]

IIRC, during the imaginary Jacksonville (?) trip when GA questioned if the service was overcharged. Did he also say he saw a reciept on the fancy word for a dresser, which I can't spell?
jmo


Yes, I recall George saying he wanted to be sure she wasn't overcharged and he saw a receipt in or on her armoire. IIRC from Cindy's tour of Casey's bedroom the armoire had a TV on the top of it, so I assume the receipt was IN the armoire, not on it. My first thought was why was George going through her armoire, followed by did the receipt look legit and did he turn it over to LE. Oh and....who paid for this work to be done, if in fact it was done?

[warrkat]

In the "links only thread" there is Nancy Grace where you can watch last nights show if you wanted too......

thx. I'll check it out while I munch lunch.

[Ladyhawk]

Guess I should have finished typing my theory....perhaps when princess was removing the trash bag from the spare tire well, it tore and leaked some fliuds into the trunk on the passenger side, and onto princess's striped slacks. Sorry I left that part out!!! That would account for the small amount of fluid found in the trunk in the area it was found, as opposed to a large stain in the whole trunk if the body were not wrapped.

MOO of course

The hairs, how did the hairs get out of the bag? Or, were the hairs deposited earlier, before a bag was used?

[day2day]

Can I come? I can wear my son's sheriff's badge!!:D

LOL -there ya go-i will "borrow" bfs badge-you grab your sons..and i will pick you up!! :D

[WinnieLeigh7]

Many thanks for the pics of the car (I had not seen them), and the description of the backseat and trunk.

I'll try to take some pictures of my car...it's trunk and put a carseat like Caylee's, in the backseat, attempt to pull the seat down, etc. and show ya'll exactly what I'm talking about :)

[snap4]

In the interveiw with Cindy did anyone catch the spot where the detective moved her purse and he made some comment about he didn't want her to walk out of the room without it and she said...A woman never leaves her pusre, in a car or anywhere...
Now why did she bring up a woman leaving her purse in the car? HE wasn't even talking about a car...Odd statement when her daughters car was found with a purse in it, don't ya think...Why would she say that? It was around the 31:40 mark on the taped interview

http://www.wftv.com/video/17566546/index.html

[shelbar53]

new video, neighbors are fed up with protesters

http://www.wftv.com/video/17588182/index.html

[SavannahStar]

:confused: if she had no problem with her why does she just not tell the truth about where her baby is? why all the lies? NO PROBLEM.... IMO that's just simply not the case.:no: i would say there is a problem with the whole A. bunch!!!

I think you are taking that out of context. By "no problem" with Caylee I meant no motive for murder. That's the way I see it, you can certainly disagree on that.

[day2day]

Then what you'd have would be the Million Chalkboard March.

LOL exactly!!

[Joan Weiss]

Where was the car seat? I've asked a million times but haven't seen a link. I have heard the car seat was in the car which means the back seat must have been "up". And the baby doll and Casey's purse were also in the car.It's in Burch's LE interview. Yep, the car seat was installed. imo

The link is on the links thread, post # 750, by Kakax.

[VALady]

Hello all. I am not much of a poster but a reader. Thanks to all for the great information and ideas you have. Y'all keep me very informed.

Just a thougt~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Why not turn her loose and let her "tie on a good one" for a few nights?

LOOSE LIPS, SINK SHIPS

jmo

[day2day]

In the interveiw with Cindy did anyone catch the spot where the detective moved her purse and he made some comment about he didn't want her to walk out of the room without it and she said...A woman never leaves her pusre, in a car or anywhere...
Now why did she bring up a woman leaving her purse in the car? HE wasn't even talking about a car...Odd statement when her daughters car was found with a purse in it, don't ya think...Why would she say that? It was around the 31:40 mark on the taped interview

http://www.wftv.com/video/17566546/index.html

She was probly hopin they would ask her about that comment -then she could say-Zanny stole Casey's purse! or Zanny Amy or Zanny Jesse!
jmo...

[shelbar53]

In the interveiw with Cindy did anyone catch the spot where the detective moved her purse and he made some comment about he didn't want her to walk out of the room without it and she said...A woman never leaves her pusre, in a car or anywhere...
Now why did she bring up a woman leaving her purse in the car? HE wasn't even talking about a car...Odd statement when her daughters car was found with a purse in it, don't ya think...Why would she say that? It was around the 31:40 mark on the taped interview

http://www.wftv.com/video/17566546/index.html

I noticed that also, why would she say that esp when casey left her purse in the car.

[anyonesguess]

June 15 .. cell activity .. 00:15 - 23:44 .. activity all day
June 16 .. cell activity .. 00:20 - 23:17 .. activity all day
June 17 .. cell activity .. 10:52 - 23:28 .. activity all day
June 18 .. cell activity .. 00:10 - 18:57 .. activity all day
June 19 .. cell activity .. 08:32 - 22:38 .. activity all day
June 20 .. cell activity .. 00:22 - 23:25 .. activity all day




Which day did Padilla say there was NO activity again?

I've searched that cell log ..
There IS activity every single day ..

But there is a 24 hr period of time from June 16th at 11:17PM EST on Monday until June 17th at 11:28PM EST.

That is VERY unlike CASEY IIRC from the NORMAL useage of her cell phones.

[Cury-us Coyote]

... Armoire?

Thanks LS. That's the correct French sounding word. How/when did that receipt get there?

[num1barb]

The hairs, how did the hairs get out of the bag? Or, were the hairs deposited earlier, before a bag was used?

Well, I believe Caylee was killed on or about June 16th, so by the 24th or so there would be quite a lot of "slippage" I think that's the right term, of the scalp. Hairs could have been loose in the decomp fluid :shrug:

MOO

[ruth66]

I know we have hashed and re-hashed this out but I am going to comment and then I need to get some work done.
Casey's cell phone bills were $500 monthly (give or take), who was paying those bills? I really don't believe that CA and GA believe that she had a job. I think that they went along with the story of the job as to not discredit her statment to police. I am sure that CA and GA had confronted her on many an occasion about this topic and let her know that they knew she didn't have a job. But if they were to say that she did not have a job than they would have to admit that there was no need for a baby sitter (sorry Nanny). Why else would CA call Casey and make her go home when she was at boyfriends home? She is 22 afterall and if we believe them she had a job and was a wonderful mother. The pieces don't fit.:shrug:

[Pooh]

Hello all. I am not much of a poster but a reader. Thanks to all for the great information and ideas you have. Y'all keep me very informed.

Just a thougt~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Why not turn her loose and let her "tie on a good one" for a few nights?

LOOSE LIPS, SINK SHIPS

jmo
Welcome VALady! We've talked about that before - very early on. If I were her mother, I'd have already gotten her drunk and made her talk. No doubt about it.

[shelbar53]

June 15 .. cell activity .. 00:15 - 23:44 .. activity all day
June 16 .. cell activity .. 00:20 - 23:17 .. activity all day
June 17 .. cell activity .. 10:52 - 23:28 .. activity all day
June 18 .. cell activity .. 00:10 - 18:57 .. activity all day
June 19 .. cell activity .. 08:32 - 22:38 .. activity all day
June 20 .. cell activity .. 00:22 - 23:25 .. activity all day




Which day did Padilla say there was NO activity again?

I've searched that cell log ..
There IS activity every single day ..
I thought he said at the end of june when she asked jessie to go the beach.. somewhere around june 28th. never did find out if they went to the beach.