Michelle Young 9-29..'til

[5swab5]

For Michelle & Rylan.

:rose::rose:

[Kat4Eagles]

I was speaking of when she first entered the house.



Morning , June.!!

I am stating to think that what happened in Michelle's home started shortly after the time that Shelle left, and this could explain why Michelle was still dressed, and the lights were on.

It may have went on for hours without any fear of the killer(s) being caught.

And, more similar to a home evasion. (jmo)

I was wondering if any of their lights, inside and out, came on with timers?

Did we ever discuss that?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I have been surfing around this morning. What happened to the CS site? Not one thing about Michelle there. I also noticed that BB has one poster. Why she keeps posting there when no one replies is a mystery.


After close to 2 years, it is getting harder to keep this case in the news.

We keep trying though!!


Kat

[Wyn]

After close to 2 years, it is getting harder to keep this case in the news.

We keep trying though!!


Kat


How are "We" keeping this case in the news? And exactly who is this "We" you are referring to?

[Kat4Eagles]

For those that think Meredith was involved...

#1) Please explain the shoe prints.

#2) Please explain how lucky she was to have Jason call her that very morning (remember, although content of call may not be able to be verified...but the fact the call took place can be verified).



Some of us are not all that convinced she was involved as much as you all think that Jason is.

She is just a possibility.

I have questions about her, such as why she left NY..why she no longer watched C, and why she did not react differently to finding her only sister dead.

For all we know, she could have called Jason the nite before asking to see pics of the handbag,(if the handbag story is even true) and he told her there were copies at the home, if she wanted to drop by while Michelle was at the Doctor's.

Some of you are basing info from insiders that have zero credibility to date on this Board.
Insiders who have assured you an arrest would happen 16 different times by now.

We simply do not know the sequence of events until they are officially released.

If Michelle was killed closer to midnite, or earlier in the am these would be times that would clear Jason,
We don't know if there is more video from the Hampton Inn of Jason later on or earlier in the am.

We don't know a more approximate time of death.
We don't know what the cell phone records prove.
We don't know what is in the therapist's notes.

And, until we do, we get to speculate about anyone and everyone close to Michelle.

Hope this helps.....:)
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

How are "We" keeping this case in the news? And exactly who is this "We" you are referring to?


We= current members of the In Sessions Board.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Absolutely. Cassidy could be heard throughout most of the phone call, IIRC.


Why is there any doubts that C was not heard on the 911 call?

Of course, she was.

:shrug:

Kat

[Wyn]

We= current members of the In Sessions Board.

Kat


This board isn't keeping Michelle's case in the news. This board is irrelevant in regards to Michelle's murder and the news coverage. You'd be upset if you really knew who keeps this murder on the minds of the news media. You manage to get him banned repeatedly. :)

See ya! :seeya:

[Kat4Eagles]

First of all, this wasn't a question about Jason or insiders. I just genuinely wanted to know the thoughts of those who think Meredith had something to do with this.

But, while I agree with what you said for the most part, I would think that the cell phone records would had to have corraborated Meredith's statements or she would most definitely be a big time suspect (and soon into the investigation). Lying to LE usually throws up red flags quickly.



It is difficult to say what all was checked out in the beginning.
L E was pretty hot, waiting for Jason to return home.
Which he did, and in the very same vehicle he left with!

If L E thought there were blood spots, which they did, according to the s/w, maybe it was not until much later in the investigation, they started checking other things.

I don't know what they found, I would like to see the other sealed s/w opened sooner than Dec. though.

:(

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Delusions of grandeur comes to mind. Forum discussions about a 2 year old murder does not keep it in the news.

Have you considered organizing a memorial? I think that is effective in generating some media/news articles about the murder. You have at least 5 weeks to get everything together.


That was very rude..:no:

Talking about a case on a public message board very much keeps the case open and alive.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

We know that the window of time that interests the police is midnight to 6 am, not 6 pm to midnight or 9-3am. There was some activity at the house, and a light colored vehicle just like Jason's, in the early morning hours. Since someone was seen at the house in the early morning hours, it's safe to assume that this person was the murderer. That timing fits very nicely with the time period when Jason has no alibi.


Jason does have an alibi, 23 months and holding this Thursday.
:)

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

This board isn't keeping Michelle's case in the news. This board is irrelevant in regards to Michelle's murder and the news coverage.

<snipped>
See ya! :seeya:


I guess that is why there has been so little news or coverage on the case then.

I hope it does not go cold, at least before the 2 year mark.

:(

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

It's not rude to say that people discussing a 2 year old murder does not keep it in the news. That's normal and factual.

Media reports new information, and these repetitive discussions have nothing to do with the news.


And, yet , here we are !!
Why is that, Zed?

:biggrin:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

He has an alibi for midnight, but that's it for alibi until his meeting the next day. He doesn't even have proof that he re-entered his hotel room after his last visit at the hotel front desk.


Unless he kept the rock and had it time stamped.

:)

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Wow. That puts it in perspective. Last seen at midnight and not seen again until 10:30 the next morning. Where was he? And where is that shirt?



We don't really even know the time of Jason's meeting, or what time he arrived.

L E has never released that info.

They have only said he was at certain places at certain times.

:)
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Yes I agree he called her. He was worried about his wife. Do you know how many times he called Michelle? Do you know if he called LF to see if she had heard from Michelle. Remember he was in the mountains where phone service can be hard to get. He was checking his voice mail every time he got service and I'm sure trying to get Michelle. MF lived 15 minutes away she was the likely person for him to get to check on Michelle.



We will find out someday, I hope.

When all the s/w's, *that we know of, are released.

Ps..
Nothing much going on in the Cooper case either.

:shrug:
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I know why I'm here, and it's not because I think I'm causing the media to report on a case. I would like to see an arrest in this case, and I'm hoping that between the rumor, inside info, and actual media reports, I will understand what happened to Michelle. Spousal homicides are amongst the most difficult cases to solve, so they capture my interest.

Why are you here?


To find out who killed Michelle, and clear Jason's good name.

Maybe you should try to find someone else to argue with today, Zed.
:biggrin:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

How do you know that*** said there was a camera in the hall way to Jason's room. How do you know it doesn't show him going back in the room at 12:08? LE isn't going to let that information out. They wouldn't be able to get a warrant if they did.

Yep, so much we do not know, and should not pretend we do.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

The time of his meeting is irrelevant in terms of his alibi. The police are interested in the time between midnight and 6 am., and Jason's meeting was after that time period. Jason has an alibi for midnight, and then it stops. He cannot prove that he entered his hotel room after leaving the front desk, so he does not have an alibi. You can make excuses to try to explain why his alibi ends at the front desk, but you're grasping at straws.


I am not worried about Jason's alibi.
It has held..that is all that matters.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

The poster*** has not been here for a very long time, so I'm not sure what you're referring to. Are you referencing another board? Where are you getting this information?

As for alibi, Jason's alibi is that he was at the hotel. He used his keycard once, then returned to the front desk wearing a different shirt. He did not return to his room, as his keycard was never used again. That rather conclusively indicates that he cannot use the alibi that he was in his room.


Not if he left the door open.


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I'm here to discuss the case. I don't think the word "argue" is appropriate.

As an aside, I don't think Jason has a good name to clear anymore. He'll forever be known as the guy that refused to cooperate with the police when his wife was murdered, and there's no redemption from that.


Does he look like he is worried about what anyone thinks?

You did see the vacation pics.!!

If he knows he is innocent, it is not up to him to prove anything.

If he has something that clears him, he has all that he needs.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Those posts are long gone Zed but when he was here he told about going to the motel and where all the cameras were. He also drove the whole trip but wouldn't comment on how lot or little phone service he had.


Why would they bring nothing to the case but empty promises and predictions.?

:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Why did you X out*** name? Interesting that you believe his posts when it suits you.:biggrin:

MOO Aggie


No x's, I used stars. ****

Is this about Michelle?

:)
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

There are no facts to support that idea. Jason hasn't said he propped open his door. People may want to create an alibi for Jason for the time after his front desk visit are here on this board, but that's nothing more than wishful thinking.

Sure, he may have left his hotel room open and unlocked while he ran out for burgers, and he may have left all his work materials and laptop in his vehicle in a hotel parking lot, and he may have done all sorts of things. The facts, however, indicate that his alibi ends at midnight.


No, Zed, the fact remains that no one has been arrested.

Have you tried telling L E what you think?

Maybe that could speed up the investigation process.
:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

There are too many unanswered questions in this case, many of which could be cleared up by Jason. He should do himself a favor and tell the world that he propped open his door at the hotel, and that's why his keycard was only used once. He could say that he spilled mustard on his shirt, so he threw it into a dumpster behind the burger joint, and returned to the hotel without a shirt. He could also say that, in anticipation of spilling the mustard, he propped open the side door of the hotel so when he returned without a shirt, no one would see him.



Jason is such a good guy, he is known to give the shirt off his back.

Maybe he passed a cold homeless person..outside the hotel sitting by the dumpster?

:biggrin:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

There's not a chance he'll take the stand. He's even too scared to answer a few questions in order to collect the insurance money.


Nope, we do not know for a fact that Jason has not collected the insurance money.
If you know, please post the confirmation.

Thanxxx.
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Some people appear to want to keep this case in the news, so I'm trying to be helpful and suggesting how it could be done. Past memorials have certainly kept this case in the news. I look forward to seeing announcements about the organization of a memorial through this board.


I think you could much more helpful to L E then just posting about the case.

There is a tip number, you know.

You can PM me..

:)

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

And you know this how?

You walked into this case when it was over 6 months old. You also don't seem very knowledgable of this case or of legal preceedings and the very slow pace that the wheels of justice can turn.

JMO

I came to the Board in Jan 2007, 3 months into the case, and exactly the same amount of time the husband should have been charged, convicted and sentenced, if he were guilty.

Now it is 23 months later.

Hope this helps.

Oh, and if the wheels of justice turned this slowly in every case, what an injustice it would be to the victims.

:rose: 4 Michelle.

Kat

[annalyzer]

ITA. LE knows more than any of us and they haven't solved it. I don't understand why some posters desperately cling to the idea Jason is the guilty party and yet refuse to believe it's possible he hired it done. If he did, he's just as guilty but geez come up with scenarios that fit what we do know instead of making stuff up such as the witness saw a car exactly like Jason's in order to put Jason at the house that night. :shrug:


I think if he'd have hired it done he would have had a much more solid alibi.

[sonya]

I find it odd that Jason has never spoken with LE, never been in any news articles or videos, never been quoted saying ANYTHING at all about his wife, her murder, who may have done it, never asked the public for help (witnesses), never organized or taken part in any memorial. And the only time he is quoted in the 20+ months since his wife was viciously killed, he is on the internet trying to get dates, and posting pictures of himself and his mother enjoying vacations together, and pics of his daughter not so happy. That to me is very ODD and quite suspicious.

[sonya]

ITA. LE knows more than any of us and they haven't solved it. I don't understand why some posters desperately cling to the idea Jason is the guilty party and yet refuse to believe it's possible he hired it done. If he did, he's just as guilty but geez come up with scenarios that fit what we do know instead of making stuff up such as the witness saw a car exactly like Jason's in order to put Jason at the house that night. :shrug:

I think it is entirely possible and even probable that he hired someone to murder his wife, in the beginning that's exactly what I thought. Then I read someones post stating that a hit would never have been handled the way this was, that a professional hit would never have been so messy. So, I gave up on that idea (for a while) now I'm thinking, with the 2 different shoe prints, that it's possible he had an accomplice, or there were 2 assassins hired. Whatever the case, I remain convinced Jason Young knows exactly what happened that nite, whether he was there himself or he hired the killer(s), he KNOWS what went on at Birchleaf and he will be caught up with one way or another.

[Kat4Eagles]

I just think the reality is that LE can put Jason Young back in Raleigh during the TOD period and they can tie him to the Hush Puppie shoe print.

But, they still can't arrest him?

:lol:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I thought I read the Meredith got the phone call around 7:30 in the morning? Can anyone confirm that? I thought he left her a message on voicemail, but she didn't get it until later. If that is the case, Jason was already frantic about trying to reach his wife at 7:30 in the morning? That seems a bit early to be what the message was about.



Just questions.


It has never been stated what time of the day Jason actually called MF.

We don't know...and we don't know who originated the first call.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I agree . If they find the owner of that Franklin shoe they will have the killer. If they find the jewelry they will have the killer. These are the 2 smoking guns in the case. Some one some where knows who owns the Franklin's. The 10,000. reward just wasn't enought to get someone to come forward. Wasn't the Franklin shoe a shoe sold in K-marts and Targets? Does anyone know if they are still made?


The jewelry is so important...someone has to know where Michelle's rings are..

Kat

[5swab5]

It has never been stated what time of the day Jason actually called MF.

We don't know...and we don't know who originated the first call.

Kat

HUH?

According to the PC section of the Feb. SW Jason called Meredith on the morning of Nov. 3rd.

Even your post says that Jason called Meredith. Isn't that originating the call?:shrug:

MOO

Swabby

[JHP]

I agree white/light in the dark is probably a "wash." However, you said "exactly like" which would give the indication of a match on make/model and this we don't know.

Just trying to keep everyone on the up and up so that the JII have less to pick apart;)

While I was just reading through the days post I had an interesting thought. The PDP who noticed the house was more lit up, also saw the light colored SUV (I think he probably was able to Id more than that) But I wonder if he noticed if that particular car had ever been at that house before. I wonder if J always parked in the garage. Just a thought. I would think if PDP had been able to say that was the normal car there J would have been arrested by now though.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

HUH?

According to the PC section of the Feb. SW Jason called Meredith on the morning of Nov. 3rd.

Even your post says that Jason called Meredith. Isn't that originating the call?:shrug:

MOO

Swabby

How do we know she didn't call him the nite before?

We don't, Swabby

Thank you for starting the thread today, did you contact CW to close the old one?

:cool:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

While I was just reading through the days post I had an interesting thought. The PDP who noticed the house was more lit up, also saw the light colored SUV (I think he probably was able to Id more than that) But I wonder if he noticed if that particular car had ever been at that house before. I wonder if J always parked in the garage. Just a thought. I would think if PDP had been able to say that was the normal car there J would have been arrested by now though.

JMO


Jason could not park in the garage, cause Michelle did and they kept their boat there.

I guess the boat is now in the evidence room for the Jury to see, since
that was probably the same boat Jason tried to drown Michelle off of.

:rolleyes:

Kat

[JHP]

Jason could not park in the garage, cause Michelle did and they kept their boat there.

I guess the boat is now in the evidence room for the Jury to see, since
that was probably the same boat Jason tried to drown Michelle off of.

:rolleyes:

Kat

I guess you missed my point. But thanks about the parking info. So I do wonder about the SUV then. Maybe thats why the case is complicated.

[Kat4Eagles]

2 NEW STORIES,

ANY CONNECTIONS?


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3638830

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3630439

Hmmm.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I guess you missed my point. But thanks about the parking info. So I do wonder about the SUV then. Maybe thats why the case is complicated.


I am still missing your point.

Could you reword it, thank you.

:)

Kat

[Barbara2]

2 NEW STORIES,

ANY CONNECTIONS?


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3638830

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3630439

Hmmm.

Kat

The first link, yes in my opinion. Another case of a husband killing his wife.

The second link, no in my opinion. Notice how quickly they caught that drunk rapist.

[JHP]

I am still missing your point.

Could you reword it, thank you.

:)

Kat

The NYT delivery person noticed the lights were different then normal.

He seemed to be quite familiar with the neighborhood.

There was a light colored SUV in the driveway or close to the house.

I wondered if he had noticed that particular SUV before at that home.

If that was the SUV that was always there, I would have thought J would have been arrested by now.

Maybe the delivery guy had never noticed any vehicle there till that night.:shrug:

But maybe that is one of the possibilities that has made this complicated.

I hope we find out one day.

JMO

[JHP]

Good point. Maybe MY's car was usually in the driveway as we have heard the garage door opener was broken. She was 5 months pregnant and handling a 2 1/2 year old along with groceries and the like. Been there, done that. Maybe she used the front door for easier access? JY being the big, strong man that he is may have parked in the garage next to his beloved boat. Makes sense to me. Could very well be why the paper delivery person could not make a positive ID.

MOO Aggie

Thanks for getting it Aggie. I am hoping LE has more info from the NYT person and was just vague on the S/W. He probably was able to ID the kind of SUV.
It could be like you said that J maybe liked to park in the garage. Wish we knew.

[Kat4Eagles]

The NYT delivery person noticed the lights were different then normal.

He seemed to be quite familiar with the neighborhood.

There was a light colored SUV in the driveway or close to the house.

I wondered if he had noticed that particular SUV before at that home.

If that was the SUV that was always there, I would have thought J would have been arrested by now.

Maybe the delivery guy had never noticed any vehicle there till that night.:shrug:

But maybe that is one of the possibilities that has made this complicated.

I hope we find out one day.

JMO


K, thank you.
Kat

[Leanne Weich]

There are no facts to support that idea. Jason hasn't said he propped open his door. People may want to create an alibi for Jason for the time after his front desk visit are here on this board, but that's nothing more than wishful thinking.

Sure, he may have left his hotel room open and unlocked while he ran out for burgers, and he may have left all his work materials and laptop in his vehicle in a hotel parking lot, and he may have done all sorts of things. The facts, however, indicate that his alibi ends at midnight.

I wont be surprised when it is proven JY didn't re-enter his room, to hear his hotel bed was uncomfortable so he spent the night in his vehicle. The rationalizations for what has been revealed in the SWs are astounding, imo. Just think of all that LE have that hasn't been released yet?

[Leanne Weich]

I think you are probably right about the phone calls. There was no reason for anyone to call the Youngs. It should have been left to Jason to explain things to his parents without anyone falling to their knees. Even tho0ugh Jason was in the mountains wuth few cell towers, someone should have kept trying until they got him and told him about how Michelle died and told him Cass was all right. That's the main information he needed at tyhat point. I think the detective could have advised hium to pull off the road before telling him. He could have turned around and headed for Raleigh, called his parents when he got a signal, and would have time to do a walk throuigh with the detectives while the crime scene and blood and all was still fresh. His family would of then have a day or so to get organized before driving to Raleigh. I think we sometimes show too much kindness and consideration for husbands and parents.

ITA. The cops missed a good opportunity to hear his immediate response for themselves. For instance, whether or not he asked how, when, why ?s. In many spousal murders I've seen on Crime Investigation shows, this is often a give away. The husband forgets to ask the manner in which his wife died.

[annalyzer]

The NYT delivery person noticed the lights were different then normal.

He seemed to be quite familiar with the neighborhood.

There was a light colored SUV in the driveway or close to the house.

I wondered if he had noticed that particular SUV before at that home.

If that was the SUV that was always there, I would have thought J would have been arrested by now.

Maybe the delivery guy had never noticed any vehicle there till that night.:shrug:

But maybe that is one of the possibilities that has made this complicated.

I hope we find out one day.

JMO

He likely would not have given it a second thought until he heard about the murder.

[bookie]

I wont be surprised when it is proven JY didn't re-enter his room, to hear his hotel bed was uncomfortable so he spent the night in his vehicle. The rationalizations for what has been revealed in the SWs are astounding, imo. Just think of all that LE have that hasn't been released yet?


If the police had anything else that even remotely pointed to Jason he'd have been arrested long ago.

[Leanne Weich]

If the police had anything else that even remotely pointed to Jason he'd have been arrested long ago.

Not if you listen to what Judge Napolitano says in the Caylee Anthony case (and yes, I know that's Florida and this is NC, but the same principle applies). He says, despite everything that has been released to date, anything LE intends using in the event they file murder charges against Casey, will not be released until submitted to a GJ. In other words, as long as an investigation is ongoing, lots of evidence is withheld. I don't believe the DA will bring this matter before a GJ until they are sure there is no additional information out there to be ferretted out.

[bookie]

Not if you listen to what Judge Napolitano says in the Caylee Anthony case (and yes, I know that's Florida and this is NC, but the same principle applies). He says, despite everything that has been released to date, anything LE intends using in the event they file murder charges against Casey, will not be released until submitted to a GJ. In other words, as long as an investigation is ongoing, lots of evidence is withheld. I don't believe the DA will bring this matter before a GJ until they are sure there is no additional information out there to be ferretted out.



What I posted had nothing to do with withholding evidence. If they had all of this so called evidence that they weren't releasing and it pointed to Jason it would have been used to secure his arrest and a date with a murder trial.

[bookie]

I happen to agree with you.
What is taking them so long?
Is it the Nifong complex?
Looking at the Caylee case, I am mystified why her mother has not been arrested. And why are they releasing all those interviews ? Are they not prejudicial ?
How come we haven't seen such interviews released in the MY case?

I think it is time for the DA to step up to the plate.

MOO Aggie



Caylee's mother has been arrested and will most likely be convicted of neglect. The police are actively (and openly) investigating that case. I think the tests aren't as conclusive as was leaked. They had no choice in releasing some of the information because of the Sunshine Law. And yes, I think a judge will rule some of what was released as too prejudicial once a trial starts.

In this case I believe there is something that police have that shows Jason at the hotel that night. Maybe his cell phone pinged or there was an incoming call that places him far away from the home. I also think they jumped the gun when they threw the "not random" claim out. The size 10 impression indicates 2 people in that room that night.

[Kat4Eagles]

I wont be surprised when it is proven JY didn't re-enter his room, to hear his hotel bed was uncomfortable so he spent the night in his vehicle. The rationalizations for what has been revealed in the SWs are astounding, imo. Just think of all that LE have that hasn't been released yet?


You are kidding , right?

All that they have ?

What do they possibly have?

I can tell you what they don't have.

Enough evidence to arrest anyone for the murder of Michelle Young.

:shrug:
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

You are right -- we don't know. But, I am willing to bet that LE does!

Like swabby or someone said, I would love to look at the phone logs for everyone involved for the days leading up to the murder and the day after. That would keep me occupied for quite some time.


Slow day today?

I would hope L E has all the phone records...

And, I hope it is not much longer until they are all made public.

Especially, any and all ,to and from, the Birchleaf home.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

http://www.newsobserver.com/2864/story/1158838.html

"The grief won't go away




That article is exactly 2 months old now.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Not if you listen to what Judge Napolitano says in the Caylee Anthony case (and yes, I know that's Florida and this is NC, but the same principle applies). He says, despite everything that has been released to date, anything LE intends using in the event they file murder charges against Casey, will not be released until submitted to a GJ. In other words, as long as an investigation is ongoing, lots of evidence is withheld. I don't believe the DA will bring this matter before a GJ until they are sure there is no additional information out there to be ferretted out.


These cases could not be more completely different.

In the Caylee one, they do not have a body, they are becoming frustrated by not getting any truthful answers, and rightfully so.

I think Casey knows that Caylee will never be found, and if she shuts up, she thinks she can beat the charges..

Unfortunately, for her, the DA may go ahead with filing murder charges anyway, I hope that he does.

That case is a few months old.

In this case, what more is there to be found after almost 2 years?

You have the body, you have had it since Day 1, you have had all your evidence gathered and tested..

You had your crime scene intact.

You had it taped off for 13 days of intense and thorough investigation.

You have followed every lead and tip, you have offered a reward, you have spent nite after nite after nite in the war room.

You have countless interviews, you have traveled to different states, you have everything in front of you.

Now, do you or do you not have enough for an arrest in the murder of Michelle Young?

Should be a simple answer.

Kat

[sonya]

[QUOTE=Kat4Eagles;12212952]That article is exactly 2 months old now.


Hi Kat !
I don't see what the article being 2 months old has to do with anything, 2 months is hardly any time at all. The article is VERY interesting tho isn't it Kat ?

The part I find the most interesting is this :
(She referring to Linda Fisher):

She repeated what the investigators say: "They're working on the case, and they're making progress." Beyond that, she is sworn to silence. "There's so much I can't talk about, but there's so much I want to say." Fisher has not had any contact with granddaughter Cassidy since shortly after Michelle Young's death. At this point, there is little contact between the Youngs and the Fishers. Fisher said, again, she cannot say more.

Now, I wonder what all is going on behind the scenes with LE, they obviously have made Linda Fisher aware of what and who they are investigating, and have "sworn her to silence". And then she also says she cannot elaborate on the topic of Cassidy or her lack of contact with her or the Youngs, very interesting isn't that ?

[annalyzer]

That article is exactly 2 months old now.

Kat


Yep and I hadn't seen it.

[sonya]

snipped from Kat4Eagles post :
These cases could not be more completely different.

In the Caylee one, they do not have a body, they are becoming frustrated by not getting any truthful answers, and rightfully so.
I think Casey knows that Caylee will never be found, and if she shuts up, she thinks she can beat the charges..
Unfortunately, for her, the DA may go ahead with filing murder charges anyway, I hope that he does.
*********
Wow Kat, what I find very similar in the Jason Young and Caylee Anthony cases is how you say LE is becoming frustrated because they aren't getting any truthful answers from Casey Anthony (mother), well LE isn't getting any answers from Jason Young in the Michelle Young murder case either, truthful or otherwise.
And then you say you think Casey knows Caylee will never be found, and if she shuts up she can beat the charges. Well that sounds very much like someone else we know doesn't it ? It's possible Jason killed Michelle and so he thinks if he shuts up he can beat the charges as well. I do agree with your statement that the DA may go ahead and file murder charges on Casey Anthony, and LE may go ahead and file charges on Jason Young also, and I hope they do !!

[sonya]

snipped from Kat4Eagles post:

In this case, what more is there to be found after almost 2 years?
You have the body, you have had it since Day 1, you have had all your evidence gathered and tested.You have followed every lead and tip, you have everything in front of you.
*************

This is where you are so wrong, they obviously do NOT have all the evidence gathered and TESTED. They obviously have more leads and tips to follow and they obviously DO NOT have everything in front of them. Kat all of these reasons are exactly why the case is not thru being investigated, or they would have made an arrest. They are doing their job, let them...

[Leanne Weich]

What I posted had nothing to do with withholding evidence. If they had all of this so called evidence that they weren't releasing and it pointed to Jason it would have been used to secure his arrest and a date with a murder trial.

I believe LE has a whole lot more than we are aware of. As for no arrest yet, well who knows what the DA's current schedule is? Maybe it is not the right time to go to trial as yet? When a suspect is not your common garden type killer who is likely to go off pop at any time, there is not the same urgency to arrest someone and take a chance that you'll get a conviction at trial. I'm pretty sure with how gruesome the scene was, there is a hell of a lot of forensic evidence to go through and understand completely so, imo, it is better to wait until you've got a good enough understanding of everything before trying to convince a jury of where the evidence leads.

[Amy]

snipped from Kat4Eagles post:

In this case, what more is there to be found after almost 2 years?
You have the body, you have had it since Day 1, you have had all your evidence gathered and tested.You have followed every lead and tip, you have everything in front of you.
*************

This is where you are so wrong, they obviously do NOT have all the evidence gathered and TESTED. They obviously have more leads and tips to follow and they obviously DO NOT have everything in front of them. Kat all of these reasons are exactly why the case is not thru being investigated, or they would have made an arrest. They are doing their job, let them...

Cases may go "cold" but there are a lot that are solved--eventually. It's not that LE doesn't have its act together, that they aren't still investigating, it's that the evidence they have might not be what will convince a jury of the guilt of the perp.

Sometimes, there seems to be one little piece of the puzzle missing, and they have to find that one piece. Or, what about the cases where, before DNA, with just blood typing, they KNEW who the perp was, just could not prove it conclusively. Then, BOOM, a new forensic technology comes along, and an old case is solved. First there was DNA then mitochondral DNA....what knew technology is just around the corner that will put that last piece of the puzzle in place?

I am always rather amused by the statements that, since they haven't arrested Jason yet, he must not have murdered Michelle. Well, NO ONE has been arrested yet, does that mean that NO ONE murdered Michelle? I'd rather they make sure they can get a conviction in court before they charge someone with this murder. Ya sure hate for a perp to be tried and not found guilty--and get to walk because of the Double Jeopardy rule, like that Ignazio (sp) guy.

[HI_CYCLE]

Amy Wrote: "I am always rather amused by the statements that, since they haven't arrested Jason yet, he must not have murdered Michelle". It may amuse you,but it is certainly true.

[HI_CYCLE]

OK,I have been pondering on if I should write this,because it is personal, but, here goes.
Saturday,my son received a call from the grandfather of his daughter asking if he and her aunt could take her to the zoo for the day Sunday. He stated he knew he had NO legal rights,since his other daughter had given up all parental rights, but he still loved this child and so did her aunt and if he could find it in his heart to allow them a visit. My son requested that he have some time to think about it and he would call them later.

After talking with me,his brothers and MUCH thought, he decided that to keep her from a loving Grandfather and aunt would serve no good purpose and that she may one day hold it against him,so he called the ex sister-in law, who he has always had a very good relationship with and told her what he had decided.

His decision was, I believe, the right one and I am very proud of him. He told them, yes they could take her to the zoo,but he would have to go along since she would not remember them and he didn`t want her to be scared or was being deserted by her Dad.
Too make a long story short, they agreed, all spent the day at the zoo and she re-bonded immediately with this grandfather and aunt and her family. The Grandmother refused to go because she believes her daughter made the right decision and this child should be "forgotten". The day went wonderful and her aunt and family along with grandpa,had a wonderful day. My son has decided that his daughter deserves the right to know this part of her mother and they now have an open invitation to visit her anytime. The Grandfather lives out of states but visits this daughter,her aunt, several times a year and spends much of the winter with her.

After seeing this little girl,my granddaughter, giving hugs and kisses to everyone,including her 3 year old cousin,I know he made the right choice for his daughter.
I guess what i am saying is,Jason you need to let Cassidy have a relationship with Linda and Meredith and you can be with them on the visits. All you adults need to put aside your feelings and think of Cassidy. I am NOT saying let them take her anywhere without you but as a father,help build a relationship that can only benefit this child.
I know things may be different but I am a person who believes a child`s life is more important then the adults. I pray for Jason and Cassidy and all who loved Michelle. She is gone, Cassidy is alive,I hope this whole family can begin to heal and Cassidy may be the healer. ALL MOO.

[HI_CYCLE]

Beautiful. Straight from the heart. Bravo. What would be sad if LE is playing each family against the other to get information that may not exist. Unfortunately it has happened in other cases.
Divide and conquer.

[HI_CYCLE]

I don't see this happening unless LF apologizes for things she has said in public. I don't mean apologize in public , I mean the things were said in the public. I don't see this happening so I believe things will go on the way
they are. I didn't correct this message because all the people that make fun of my typing should see what my cat does when I try to type a message. She walks back and forth across my keyboard. She is 15 years old and quite senile so I sorta let her be. I'm quite a bit older than she is and a little senile so I tend to see her side of things.June I agree both sides have to reach out,but adults can do that for the happiness of Cassidy. First they have to agree to talk to each other,Jason and Linda.
Jason`s wife and Linda`s daughter had been murdered,emotion`s were running high. it has been 2 years,time for Jason and Linda to sit down in private and talk. Healing has to start some time,some where. This child deserves this.

[Kat4Eagles]

[QUOTE=Kat4Eagles;12212952]That article is exactly 2 months old now.


Hi Kat !
I don't see what the article being 2 months old has to do with anything, 2 months is hardly any time at all. The article is VERY interesting tho isn't it Kat ?

The part I find the most interesting is this :
(She referring to Linda Fisher):

She repeated what the investigators say: "They're working on the case, and they're making progress." Beyond that, she is sworn to silence. "There's so much I can't talk about, but there's so much I want to say." Fisher has not had any contact with granddaughter Cassidy since shortly after Michelle Young's death. At this point, there is little contact between the Youngs and the Fishers. Fisher said, again, she cannot say more.

Now, I wonder what all is going on behind the scenes with LE, they obviously have made Linda Fisher aware of what and who they are investigating, and have "sworn her to silence". And then she also says she cannot elaborate on the topic of Cassidy or her lack of contact with her or the Youngs, very interesting isn't that ?


But,it was posted that L F did see C..
:confused:

Kat

[5swab5]

These cases could not be more completely different.

In the Caylee one, they do not have a body, they are becoming frustrated by not getting any truthful answers, and rightfully so.

I think Casey knows that Caylee will never be found, and if she shuts up, she thinks she can beat the charges..

Unfortunately, for her, the DA may go ahead with filing murder charges anyway, I hope that he does.

(snipped)

Kat

Amazing that you can look at both cases and see that Casey is manipulating the police, but Jason can remain silent to beat the charges, with your blessings.

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

snipped from Kat4Eagles post :
These cases could not be more completely different.

In the Caylee one, they do not have a body, they are becoming frustrated by not getting any truthful answers, and rightfully so.
I think Casey knows that Caylee will never be found, and if she shuts up, she thinks she can beat the charges..
Unfortunately, for her, the DA may go ahead with filing murder charges anyway, I hope that he does.
*********
Wow Kat, what I find very similar in the Jason Young and Caylee Anthony cases is how you say LE is becoming frustrated because they aren't getting any truthful answers from Casey Anthony (mother), well LE isn't getting any answers from Jason Young in the Michelle Young murder case either, truthful or otherwise.
And then you say you think Casey knows Caylee will never be found, and if she shuts up she can beat the charges. Well that sounds very much like someone else we know doesn't it ? It's possible Jason killed Michelle and so he thinks if he shuts up he can beat the charges as well. I do agree with your statement that the DA may go ahead and file murder charges on Casey Anthony, and LE may go ahead and file charges on Jason Young also, and I hope they do !!



Hi Sonya, the big difference is that Caylee is still missing and they want to find her.
Also, we should not be talking too much about that case here, as it has its own thread. Sorry!!

If L E had enough evidence to charge Jason, he would be arrested, whether following a lawyer's advice or keeping silent on his own.

Not talking, may buy you some additional time, but if you are guilty, and if the evidence points to you, it does not matter whether you hold daily press conferences or just shut up.

23 months tomorrow .
Kat

[HI_CYCLE]

I think it's great that your son gave careful consideration to the request and you believe he made the right decision but if he had decided the opposite, and refused the request, would you have still supported his decision? I bet you would. Point being, it's a decision that ultimately rests with the parent. I think Jason is trying to do what he believes is in the best interest of his daughter. Posters on message boards can no more second-guess Jason's decision than we can second guess your son's decision. I am not second guessing, Just praying Jason and Linda can heal and move on with there life and think of a little 4 year old girl before their pride. It is their choice.

[5swab5]

(respectfully snipped)

I guess what i am saying is,Jason you need to let Cassidy have a relationship with Linda and Meredith and you can be with them on the visits. All you adults need to put aside your feelings and think of Cassidy. I am NOT saying let them take her anywhere without you but as a father,help build a relationship that can only benefit this child.
I know things may be different but I am a person who believes a child`s life is more important then the adults. I pray for Jason and Cassidy and all who loved Michelle. She is gone, Cassidy is alive,I hope this whole family can begin to heal and Cassidy may be the healer. ALL MOO.

Very nice and worth repeating.:)

From your lips to God's ears.

MOO

Swabby

[HI_CYCLE]

Amazing that you can look at both cases and see that Casey is manipulating the police, but Jason can remain silent to beat the charges, with your blessings.

MOO

Swabby
Jason has the right to remain silent and LE has let it be known in NO uncertain terms he is the target of Michelle`s murder. He is VERY smart,this way LE is forced to find the real killer, instead of convicting Jason on,discrepancies and it is not reasonable to think there would not be because we all interrupt words in different ways. Look how the JII and the JDI interrupt the same words wrote here and in SW. MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

Amazing that you can look at both cases and see that Casey is manipulating the police, but Jason can remain silent to beat the charges, with your blessings.

MOO

Swabby\

In Caylee's case, she is still missing..

Don't you see the difference?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I believe LE has a whole lot more than we are aware of. As for no arrest yet, well who knows what the DA's current schedule is? Maybe it is not the right time to go to trial as yet? When a suspect is not your common garden type killer who is likely to go off pop at any time, there is not the same urgency to arrest someone and take a chance that you'll get a conviction at trial. I'm pretty sure with how gruesome the scene was, there is a hell of a lot of forensic evidence to go through and understand completely so, imo, it is better to wait until you've got a good enough understanding of everything before trying to convince a jury of where the evidence leads.



That is just wrong!!

You don't take your time processing a murder case, because you think the killer won't kill again!!

You get him/her off the streets immediately.!!

If you have a case to be made, you make it!!

And, once again, you mention the gruesome~ness of the crime scene, one which someone failed to see.

:shrug:

Kat

[Wyn]

I don't see this happening unless LF apologizes for things she has said in public. I don't mean apologize in public , I mean the things were said in the public. I don't see this happening so I believe things will go on the way
they are. I didn't correct this message because all the people that make fun of my typing should see what my cat does when I try to type a message. She walks back and forth across my keyboard. She is 15 years old and quite senile so I sorta let her be. I'm quite a bit older than she is and a little senile so I tend to see her side of things.

Linda Fisher has not said anything she needs to apologize for and the rumors that she has are incorrect. Stop believing every rumor the Youngs put out and you'll have clearer picture.

[Kat4Eagles]

I agree that LE checked the pawn shops close to home , but these items could have ended up in a pawn shop in Knoxville. If LE released the information NG or GVS might pick up the story. Look at how many people they could reach. The media hasn't be interested in this case because there is no information for them to talk about. Wral has covered the story but only on a slanted view. If they find something negative toward Jason it is printed otherwise we hear nothing from them. What a story it would have been that a lead det. in the case was emailing a member of a blog but they didn't pick up on that. I have wondered after 2 years the fact that Jason is dating would be a big story but a lead det. emailing a blog wouldn't. Like I said slanted view. IMO



Good point, and even when there is an arrest, there is not going to be a lot of national media attention.

There are so many murders and so many missing people !!

I think Laci 's case was different, it was talked about on 3 different cable shows every nite, people could not get enough of it !!

Now, sadly, it happens all too often.
:(
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

What would be sad if LE is playing each family against the other to get information that may not exist. Unfortunately it has happened in other cases.
Divide and conquer.

I don't think that is happening here.

JMO

Kat

[HI_CYCLE]

I don't think that is happening here.

JMO

Kat
I hope not Kat. None of us really know what is going on and I will be glad when LE lets the public know just what they have. I hate waiting until Dec. to drag a little More information out through the SW.
Does anyone know if the SW was served after Linda`s meeting with the DA in July?

[5swab5]

\

In Caylee's case, she is still missing..

Don't you see the difference?

Kat

Nope.

I see one murderer that is hiding behind their mommie and the 5th amendment.

I see another murderer that is hiding behind some "fruit of the loom" antics.

Both murderers, nonetheless. Neither of which has truly assisted LE in their investigations.

But, one that you want to be caught and the other that you do not.

Why the double standard?

MOO

Swabby

[HI_CYCLE]

Nope.

I see one murderer that is hiding behind their mommie and the 5th amendment.

I see another murderer that is hiding behind some "fruit of the loom" antics.

Both murderers, nonetheless. Neither of which has truly assisted LE in their investigations.

But, one that you want to be caught and the other that you do not.

Why the double standard?

MOO

SwabbyI personally have seen NOTHING to make me even suspect Jason Young of murder. A lot of rumors and unverified information, NO evidence.

[Kat4Eagles]

I don't see this happening unless LF apologizes for things she has said in public. I don't mean apologize in public , I mean the things were said in the public. I don't see this happening so I believe things will go on the way
they are. I didn't correct this message because all the people that make fun of my typing should see what my cat does when I try to type a message. She walks back and forth across my keyboard. She is 15 years old and quite senile so I sorta let her be. I'm quite a bit older than she is and a little senile so I tend to see her side of things.

We posted this before, but, we don't know what the relationship between Jason and the Fishers were before, during, and after his marriage to Michelle.

The most important thing is to not use C in a tug of war.

If it it such a big issue for the Fishers, I have questioned why they did not use the court system to obtain visitation rights.

:shrug:

Kat

[5swab5]

I can't understand why so many get upset when we bring MF into this case as a suspect. (SNIPPED)[/url]

I can't speak for others, but the reason I get upset is because, in targeting Meredith you are sliming an innocent victim in all of this mess. Her good name is constantly under unfounded attacks in feeble attempts to cast aspersions on her.

For one reason and one reason only, Anybody But Jason.


Jason sent Meredith to Birchleaf. There is NO way she would have gone to that house if she had harmed her sister.

Meredith was there when the police arrived and she has fully cooperated with the investigation. Not true with Jason.

We have seen ZERO evidence of any SWs directed @ Meredith. Not true of Jason, ALL of them have to do with him.

Meredith has continued to honor Michelle with Memorials, masses and celebrations of her life. Not true of Jason.

Good name in man and woman, dear my lord
Is the immediate jewel of their souls
Who steals my purse steals trash; tis something, nothing;
'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands;
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him
And makes me poor indeed.
(Othello III,iii, 155-162)

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

I see it the same way you do. I see MF hidding behing LF , also.

Hard to see anything with blinders on.:shrug:

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Nope.

I see one murderer that is hiding behind their mommie and the 5th amendment.

I see another murderer that is hiding behind some "fruit of the loom" antics.

Both murderers, nonetheless. Neither of which has truly assisted LE in their investigations.

But, one that you want to be caught and the other that you do not.

Why the double standard?

MOO

Swabby


Simply because Casey has been caught in lie after lie.
And, because there is a missing child.
There is a greater need there to find that little girl.

In this case, Jason has not lied.
True, he has not talked much either.
But, that is his right.

If and when the day comes when he has to give answers, I hope they satisfy us all.


Kat

[5swab5]

Frankly, after seeing the Cooper case unfold, I'm glad the Fishers didn't choose that route. The little Cooper girls were traumatized when removed from their father's care.

You don't think that it is traumatic for a child to lose their mother?

Just wait until all three little girls, Cassidy included, find out that their very own Daddys killed their Mommys.

THAT'S TRAUMATIC! Hardly comparable to living with maternal grandparents.

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Hard to see anything with blinders on.:shrug:

MOO

Swabby


There are no blinders here, Swabby, just lack of evidence,a viable motive and a timeframe that keeps getting scrunched.

Kat

[5swab5]

so what's keeping you from removing the blinders?

No blinders here.

Unlike you, in addition to

A stranger,
Shelly (last person with the victim),
Meredith ( person to discover the body),
I also looked at Jason, you know...the loving and devoted :cough: :cough: :cough: husband and father.

You on the other hand have done nothing except make lame excuses for him.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

June1943,

I don't think it is within your area of expertise to lecture CSIs on what they should and should not collect. We have no idea what all they did take.

As for a shard of a tooth that Kim could have easily planted. PFFT

As for the rape kit. IF they need the info so bad, they can always exhume Michelle's body. AND, I have no doubt in my mind that the Youngs will sink to that level.

The need to vilify, N.C. Wanted, Amanda Lamb, WRAL, Donnie Harrison, Linda Fisher, Meredith Fisher, WTVD, Gerald Owens, The Durham Herald, The News & Observer, CSI, LE, The Medical Examiner's office, Det. Spivey, the poor NYTimes Delivery guy, some gal that answered an online personal ad from Jason, and every poster that can possibly be tracked down by certain Brevardians and some posters on this forum... is getting a little tiresome.

You could save yourself a lot of that pretzel logic, by just examining Jason Lynn Young.

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

snip~
I guess what i am saying is,Jason you need to let Cassidy have a relationship with Linda and Meredith and you can be with them on the visits.

If I understand correctly LF believes JY brutally murdered her daughter and soon to be grandson. I don't know about you but I could absolutely never be around someone who I thought did something like that, even if it meant it was the only way I could see my grandchild.

[annalyzer]

Amy Wrote: "I am always rather amused by the statements that, since they haven't arrested Jason yet, he must not have murdered Michelle". It may amuse you,but it is certainly true.

Far from it.

[5swab5]

I'm curious as to what inside line you might have that makes that information relevant?


Relevant to the gruesome murder of Michelle & Rylan Young.


Did he go to the UVA game the prior weekend? IF so:
Where did he stay?
Did he drive half way? Either on his way to the game OR coming home, did he get all tired and sleepy, and stop for the night?
Were his friends from Charlotte there? Was he punctual?
Why didn't he "swing by' Brevard then, to pick up the items of the day?

What sales routes was he on the week of Oct.30th-Nov. 2nd.
What nights did he spend in hotels, what nights did he spend at home? How far away from Birchleaf was he, if he did spend the night?
Where are his time sheets?
Where are his gas receipts?
What were his sales?

Where are his personal gas receipts?
Where is his mileage/maintenance/depreciation records for his vehicle?
When was the last time the boat left the garage?
When was the last time the boat was put in the water?
When was the last time the lawn was mowed?
Did he have a gasoline powered Leaf blower? Did he use it that week?

How many times did he call Michelle Money that week?
How many times did he email Michelle Money that week?
How many times did he text message Michelle Money that week?
How many times did he IM Michelle Money that week?
How many times did he Talk to Steve Money that week?
Did he go to Florida that weeK?
Did he even go half way to Florida that week?


So, as you can see...LOTS of reasons to ask that question.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

(snipped) I reread your post and saw where you said Jason placed the ad. You guys need to keep the stories straight. According to NCWanted Jason saw this girls ad and answered it. It doesn't look good when stories in a paper can't be told the way they were written . IMO

Fine have it your way.

It is a distinction without a difference anyway.

The FACT remains, that Jason was using Cassidy as babe bait on the Internet. Complete with pics.

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

What does this have to do with this case:shrug:

What does CS and BB stand for?

[5swab5]

Two years ago, sure. Now, not so much considering LE has long since arrived at answers through interviews and search warrants for Michelle and Steve Money, his football watching pals, his employer, reviewed his financials, phone records, credit card receipts, etc and the crime still isn't solved.

Not necessarily true.

People are for the most part, creatures of habit.

IF there was anything during the week before or even during the month before Michelle and Rylan's murders that was ODD, but might be able to be "explained away" by a Defense Attorney, the investigation would go on.

They have now had almost 2 more years worth of Jason Lynn Young's habits to fall back on.

How often did he access his ATM prior to Michelle's murder?
How often did he write checks for "pocket money" back then?
What did his buddies say about going out with him then, as compared to now? Who paid? How?

Of course, that living back in his old room with a child in tow has to be a strain on him, but what were/are his routines?

It's all good.

MOO

Swabby

Well, except that part about having to ask your mommie for allowance, when you are old enough to give it to your own kid.

[annalyzer]

The same as your post,absolutely nothing.



lol :biggrin:

[5swab5]

Wasn't me. I don't even know for sure he wasn't around for Halloween. I have to believe that by now LE would have asked enough questions to know where he was.

Yep,

Too Bad, Jason thought so little of Michelle & Rylan that he couldn't be bothered to sit down with LE and get some of the questions out of the way...that very first night.

MOO

Swabby

WHEN is he going to mark their grave?

[annalyzer]

No, it hasn't died down. There is a whole army of posters posting other places. Just not HERE.

There are more posting here than any other forum I know of or am a member of. The forum I most frequent has a MY board but no one ever posts.

[5swab5]

I assume it is true, since it has been repeated. I cannot verify, obviously, as I live no where around there.

This to me, is very, very sad. Was any reason given for it?

I have no idea what his excuse is. Maybe he blew all his money in Puerto Rico instead or is holding money back for his Defense Attorney.

Unconscionable!

IMO.

Swabby

All I do know, is that regardless of where Caylee is eventually found in Florida...it can't look any more desolate than Rlyan's grave.

[5swab5]

(Snipped)As soon as she realized who had emailed her she sold the info to a newspaper. Who by the way made sure her name stayed out of it. I thought the email was very nice on Jason's part. He made sure she knew up front his daughter meant the world to him. Not just his daughter but his family. Him saying he wanted more children goes along with what RF said . His mom and step father have realy pitched in and helped since the murder. Kudos to them. His step father takes pretty good photos ,also.IMO


I think that it is VERY NICE that she caught on, before she was his third victim. BTW, innocent people shouldn't have their names published. Surely you are familiar with "rape shield" laws.

As for Jason Lynn Young "being up front".

I didn't see a single thing in that post that said that he was either living at home with his mommie OR a POI in his wife and son's murders.

Cassidy was used as Babe Bait, you can color it however you want!

MOO

Swabby

That is not what I would EVER consider "truth in advertising"!

[5swab5]

Well we don't know what was said to him. We may have acted the same way. If you know someone is out to get you whether you did anything or not it might look different that it does to you now. My thoughts on the grave marker is that when this is all said and done Jason will have her moved to the family cemetery in Brevard. JMO


PffT!

When exactly DID his responsibilities as Michelle's husband and Rylan's father cease?

You would have other posters believe that the loving, doting husband & father would IGNORE every celebration of Michelle & Rylan's lives and death, yet is going to move them out of a place that he didn't even have the decency to pay for in the first place...to Brevard?"


RiiiiigHT!

I won't be holding my breath on that one.

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Fine have it your way.

It is a distinction without a difference anyway.

The FACT remains, that Jason was using Cassidy as babe bait on the Internet. Complete with pics.

MOO

Swabby


Come on now, I don't think putting your pic on line with your child is considered "babe bait", Swabby.

You really think so?

I thought he was showing that whatever happens, C will always be the most important person to him.

And, the more I think about it, I find Jason to be very trusting and probably not even aware of the sinister aspects some people try to put on his every action.

He did not try to hide who he was or the fact he had a daughter.

:shrug:

Kat

[5swab5]

The Fishers will never let that happen imo NEVER

Over my dead body too.

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

The Fishers will never let that happen imo NEVER



Wow, I wonder who this is.

:rolleyes:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Over my dead body too.

MOO

Swabby


I think you are getting too involved and letting this case get to you.

:(

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

How many times on this board have you heard people on here bashing posters for putting Cassidy's name or picture on the internet :shrug: Alot. To each there own but i would not do it if i was him it just makes him look that much worse imo.


Not to me, if he had tried to hide the fact of who he was and didn't mention he had a child, that would be more suspicious.

Kat

[5swab5]

Come on now, I don't think putting your pic on line with your child is considered "babe bait", Swabby.

You really think so?

I thought he was showing that whatever happens, C will always be the most important person to him.

And, the more I think about it, I find Jason to be very trusting and probably not even aware of the sinister aspects some people try to put on his every action.

He did not try to hide who he was or the fact he had a daughter.

:shrug:

Kat


Can't help you there Kat. You have been duped by a cold and calculating double murderer.

Cassidy was use as BAIT! Everyone knows that cute little kids appeal to certain women.

Jason did NOT mention that he lives with his mother, everyone knows that turns girls off!

Do the math.

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Now KAT!!!
I am the new kid on the block don't you want to welcome me?


No.

Hope this helps.

Kat

[5swab5]

I thought the rumor last year was he has a new girl friend. What happened to that rumor. Some said she was a sister of one of Michelle's friends. I guess what every story is going around is what we will hear. Today nobody wants him. OK

Geeze, hadn't heard that one. Does Jason ever have anything to do with anybody that Michelle didn't know?

No wonder his prospects have dropped off.

Well, that and the "double murder" thing. Poor Guy.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Zed , Jason didn't put the pictures on the Internet. Trying to keep saying he did won't make it true. NCWanted put the pictures on line. Jason was supposed to have sent them to someone in an email. Emails are private. She supposedly sold the email to NCWanted. A little wolf in sheep's clothing. Jason thought she was a breath of fresh air. boy was he fooled. Women can be evil. That's why I haven't ruled out MF yet.


'Cuze Me,

Show me where the info was SOLD. Nevermind, I shouldn't even bother even asking for a link.(sigh)

There is not one scintilla of evidence that Jason did not willingly give Cassidy's pics to a TOTAL STRANGER on the Internet! Babe Bait!

Remember when Dateline used to be about something except pedophiles?

I rest my case.

MOO

Swabby

I can only imagine that the poor girl was glad to get out of the mix with her LIFE!

[sonya]

OK,I have been pondering on if I should write this,because it is personal, but, here goes.
Saturday,my son received a call from the grandfather of his daughter asking if he and her aunt could take her to the zoo for the day Sunday. He stated he knew he had NO legal rights,since his other daughter had given up all parental rights, but he still loved this child and so did her aunt and if he could find it in his heart to allow them a visit. My son requested that he have some time to think about it and he would call them later.

After talking with me,his brothers and MUCH thought, he decided that to keep her from a loving Grandfather and aunt would serve no good purpose and that she may one day hold it against him,so he called the ex sister-in law, who he has always had a very good relationship with and told her what he had decided.

His decision was, I believe, the right one and I am very proud of him. He told them, yes they could take her to the zoo,but he would have to go along since she would not remember them and he didn`t want her to be scared or was being deserted by her Dad.
Too make a long story short, they agreed, all spent the day at the zoo and she re-bonded immediately with this grandfather and aunt and her family. The Grandmother refused to go because she believes her daughter made the right decision and this child should be "forgotten". The day went wonderful and her aunt and family along with grandpa,had a wonderful day. My son has decided that his daughter deserves the right to know this part of her mother and they now have an open invitation to visit her anytime. The Grandfather lives out of states but visits this daughter,her aunt, several times a year and spends much of the winter with her.

After seeing this little girl,my granddaughter, giving hugs and kisses to everyone,including her 3 year old cousin,I know he made the right choice for his daughter.
I guess what i am saying is,Jason you need to let Cassidy have a relationship with Linda and Meredith and you can be with them on the visits. All you adults need to put aside your feelings and think of Cassidy. I am NOT saying let them take her anywhere without you but as a father,help build a relationship that can only benefit this child.
I know things may be different but I am a person who believes a child`s life is more important then the adults. I pray for Jason and Cassidy and all who loved Michelle. She is gone, Cassidy is alive,I hope this whole family can begin to heal and Cassidy may be the healer. ALL MOO.

HI HI !! This is a beautiful post, and so very true where Cassidy and Linda Fisher are concerned. I am happy for you and I hope you know how lucky you are to have your granddaughter in your life/home, and a good hearted son who must truly love his little girl. Jason needs to be as generous and compassionate as your son, but, he may be keeping Cassidy from the Fishers due to the worry of what she saw, and may remember from that awful nite. God bless your family and I must say I am seeing you in a whole new light, enjoy your lil gr. daughter ( I know you do !) :beer:

[Wyn]

Zed , Jason didn't put the pictures on the Internet. Trying to keep saying he did won't make it true. NCWanted put the pictures on line. Jason was supposed to have sent them to someone in an email. Emails are private. She supposedly sold the email to NCWanted. A little wolf in sheep's clothing. Jason thought she was a breath of fresh air. boy was he fooled. Women can be evil. That's why I haven't ruled out MF yet.

She "supposedly" sold the email to NCWANTED? I don't believe they buy information. It's not the type of program that the Brevardian would have everyone believe. If you have proof they paid, link please.

You may not have ruled out MF, but LE has and that's what counts. You are right, women can be evil, but it's usually the husband that murders.

[sonya]

Single parents probably shouldn't introduce their children to people they pick up online until they know more about the online pickup. Keeping children out of hook ups is a good idea, and does not imply that children are being hidden. There's a big difference between mentioning a child, and plastering pictures of them all over the internet.

Especially when that child was present at the murder scene and may have information about what she saw/heard. I have always wondered what if anything Sydney and Jason Simpson heard that nite Nicole was killed, and now that they are grown, we just may be hearing from one or the other of them. Cassidy Young is a darling little girl and I am sure Jason used her picture solely as a "chick magnet", which in my opinion is despicable (she looks frightened to death in that photo with Jason and he looks frightening !)

[5swab5]

I think you are getting too involved and letting this case get to you.

:(

Kat

This case is not a joke to me. I stand by my words.

EVERY passing day that you revel in the fact that justice has not been served for Michelle & Rylan...My heart sinks a little lower.:mad:

It is not only about justice, but common decency. A trait that some can apparently live without.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

HI HI !! This is a beautiful post, and so very true where Cassidy and Linda Fisher are concerned. I am happy for you and I hope you know how lucky you are to have your granddaughter in your life/home, and a good hearted son who must truly love his little girl. Jason needs to be as generous and compassionate as your son, but, he may be keeping Cassidy from the Fishers due to the worry of what she saw, and may remember from that awful nite. God bless your family and I must say I am seeing you in a whole new light, enjoy your lil gr. daughter ( I know you do !) :beer:


Not only that, but the RESPECT that they both gave the other grandparents!

:beer:

MOO

Swabby

[Leanne Weich]

That is just wrong!!

You don't take your time processing a murder case, because you think the killer won't kill again!!

You get him/her off the streets immediately.!!

If you have a case to be made, you make it!!

And, once again, you mention the gruesome~ness of the crime scene, one which someone failed to see.

:shrug:

Kat

Many, many cases take up to 20 years to solve I believe, from watching Cold Case Files. I think it would be very wrong to try to make a case knowing there is a chance you wont get a conviction if LE believes there is still a chance to find whatever is lacking. I don't, for one minute, blame Meredith for not comprehending what she saw when she found Michelle. I have no doubt that at that moment she was in a state of utmost shock and not comprehending much of anything.

[Leanne Weich]

Simply because Casey has been caught in lie after lie.
And, because there is a missing child.
There is a greater need there to find that little girl.

In this case, Jason has not lied.
True, he has not talked much either.
But, that is his right.

If and when the day comes when he has to give answers, I hope they satisfy us all.


Kat

It is just as much Casey's right not to talk as it is Jasons. I think everyone feels Casey should not invoke her right to silence now because Caylee is missing. That, imo, is no worse than Jason not being prepared to help find the killer of his wife and unborn son. Then again, imo, both JY and CA are both protecting themselves so they're just as bad as one another.

[5swab5]

Well there was an item on Craiglist last week that I sent an email about . I will bet any amount of money that email isn't where NCWanted can get it unless the woman I sent it to sells it to them. Do you really believe she just gave them the email out of the goodness of her heart? What does pedophiles have to do with this case?


Please!

I can't believe that you are even pretending to be that naive!

Big, old, fat balding men pretend to be young pretty seductive females ALL the time on the Internet.

MOO

Swabby

YOU may not know better, but you can bet you bippy that Jason does!

YET he gave out Cassidy's pic. SICK! But so SICK!

[5swab5]

I don't believe that for a moment . His Mom was in the photo also. I guess she was chick bait ,also. LOL I think Jason just saw an ad and thought like he said that the girl was a breath of fresh air and she was really a gutter . People have to be so careful now with the internet and all. I ran across this photo of Cassie that was sold or given to NCWanted you think who ever supplied that was chick or man hunting?

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/image_gallery/2877779/?idx=1


His mother was NOT in the photo that we are talking about, and you KNOW it.

Jason is trying to hold Cassidy on a rail, over a precipice in Puerto Rico. Cassidy is terrified! Breaks my heart!

Wonder what she thought was going to happen? Never mind...she KNOWS what might.

MOO

Swabby

Daddy Did It.

[Leanne Weich]

Well we don't know what was said to him. We may have acted the same way. If you know someone is out to get you whether you did anything or not it might look different that it does to you now. My thoughts on the grave marker is that when this is all said and done Jason will have her moved to the family cemetery in Brevard. JMO

If he is innocent, no reason to wait. He is, after all, Michelle's next of kin. Even if he doesn't want to do it for Michelle, he could do it to honor the son he supposedly wanted so badly. Who am I kidding though - if he wanted his son, he would have divorced his wife and been a good dad to little Rylan.

[sonya]

She "supposedly" sold the email to NCWANTED? I don't believe they buy information. It's not the type of program that the Brevardian would have everyone believe. If you have proof they paid, link please.

You may not have ruled out MF, but LE has and that's what counts. You are right, women can be evil, but it's usually the husband that murders.

Yep, I agree Wyn, and I believe Jason was behind those pictures being circulated, he had them on photobucket and probably linked anyone and everyone to them. NC Wanted seems to me to be more like a dateline or 20/20 program, not by any means a tabloidesque type show, and I doubt they "bought" those pictures either. Now, maybe Access Hollywood would but not NCW. Funny how some posters had a cow about Cassidys and Merediths' picture together being posted on the internet, funnIER how happy Cassidy looked with Meredith and how scared to death she looked with Jason, huh?

[sonya]

I don't believe that for a moment . His Mom was in the photo also. I guess she was chick bait ,also. LOL I think Jason just saw an ad and thought like he said that the girl was a breath of fresh air and she was really a gutter . People have to be so careful now with the internet and all. I ran across this photo of Cassie that was sold or given to NCWanted you think who ever supplied that was chick or man hunting?

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/image_gallery/2877779/?idx=1

No, his mom is NOT in the picture where Cassidy looks scared to death, and Jason looks frighteningly murderous...and I don't think his mom was then or could ever be "chick bait", unless the interested party was 75 and male ! You say people have to be so careful on in the internet, then why on earth is Jason Young posting his 4 year old daughter, who just lost her mother and brother to murder on the INTERNET ??? And to your last question I think the person that supplied that picture was Cassidy Youngs father, Jason Young, so ya, he was chick or man hunting with it IMO :biggrin:

[Kat4Eagles]

I thought the rumor last year was he has a new girl friend. What happened to that rumor. Some said she was a sister of one of Michelle's friends. I guess what every story is going around is what we will hear. Today nobody wants him. OK


Oh, yeah, according to some, Jason couldn't wait to start dating.

Now, he can't get anyone to chat up with him.

:confused:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

No, his mom is NOT in the picture where Cassidy looks scared to death, and Jason looks frighteningly murderous...and I don't think his mom was then or could ever be "chick bait", unless the interested party was 75 and male ! You say people have to be so careful on in the internet, then why on earth is Jason Young posting his 4 year old daughter, who just lost her mother and brother to murder on the INTERNET ??? And to your last question I think the person that supplied that picture was Cassidy Youngs father, Jason Young, so ya, he was chick or man hunting with it IMO :biggrin:




How exactly does one look frighteningly murderous?

:biggrin:

Kat

[sonya]

How exactly does one look frighteningly murderous?

:biggrin:

Kat

Exactly the way Jason Young does it in the picture he plastered all over the internet. He looks absolutely horrifying in that picture (to me), he has killer/evil all over his face, it gives me the total creeps looking at it.
Couple that with the look on Cassidys face, and you pretty much can visualize November 3, 2006 on Birchleaf Drive. :chicken:

[Barbara2]

Oh, yeah, according to some, Jason couldn't wait to start dating.

Now, he can't get anyone to chat up with him.

:confused:

Kat

I can think of a few who would be more than happy to "chat him up".

*unfortunately I think they are all probably just a bit too old for him*

[Kat4Eagles]

This case is not a joke to me. I stand by my words.

EVERY passing day that you revel in the fact that justice has not been served for Michelle & Rylan...My heart sinks a little lower.:mad:

It is not only about justice, but common decency. A trait that some can apparently live without.

MOO

Swabby

We all stand by our words, as we should.
But, you are going a little overboard lately.
Just looking out for a fellow poster.
I would expect the same from you.
:)

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Exactly the way Jason Young does it in the picture he plastered all over the internet. He looks absolutely horrifying in that picture (to me), he has killer/evil all over his face, it gives me the total creeps looking at it.
Couple that with the look on Cassidys face, and you pretty much can visualize November 3, 2006 on Birchleaf Drive. :chicken:


I guess that is what Michelle saw when she fell in love with Jason and married him....2 x.

:lol:

Kat

[5swab5]

Yep, I agree Wyn, and I believe Jason was behind those pictures being circulated, he had them on photobucket and probably linked anyone and everyone to them. NC Wanted seems to me to be more like a dateline or 20/20 program, not by any means a tabloidesque type show, and I doubt they "bought" those pictures either. Now, maybe Access Hollywood would but not NCW. Funny how some posters had a cow about Cassidys and Merediths' picture together being posted on the internet, funnIER how happy Cassidy looked with Meredith and how scared to death she looked with Jason, huh?


Hi Sonya,

NC Wanted is FAR from a tabloid here.

In fact, Gerald Owens, now has a spot once a week on the regular evening broadcast of the news on WRAL.

John Walsh started the insistence that private citizens could make a difference, bless his heart. RIP Adam.:rose:

The only thing I regret, is that NC Wanted wasn't expanded to the viewers YEARS ago!

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Pedophiles like to pose as other people in order to get access to children. Any single parent that is dumb enough to send photos of their children to complete strangers, along with name, age, and location, is taking a big risk with their child's safety.


That's Jason for ya!!

Just too nice, and trusting , not knowing what evil is out there,
I guess, that would try to turn a innocent Daddy/daughter pic into something else.

Where are you guys getting this stuff from?

Did L E rush to Brevard and have C removed from Jason, because of the pics?

Did CPS set up an emergency hearing to determine C's safety?

Did someone phone in saying C was in danger?

If Jason is guilty of anything, it was bad judgement, but you know what?, the pics are still on his website.!!!!!
You know what that makes Jason?

Not worried.

:)

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

There's one distinct photo where Jason looks kinda like he's trying to hide behind his hair, and he's balancing Cassidy on a railing when she clearly doesn't want to be there. I think that's the one referred to.

PS: Pat is not chick bait



They were just family pics, that's all, nothing more, nothing less.

But, wait !! You know the ones with him in the Ryder truck?

:Cough: it was really a subliminal message showing he has "moved on".!!

:biggrin:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Why do you say that? He may have been chatting up all sorts of females online since Michelle's murder, and it took this long for those antics to make it into the news.


I think it could have been a set up, but whether or not it was, the thing is the pics are still there, I am sure L E has seen them too.

I don't see anyone taking them down..

:confused:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Not worried, or couldn't care less.



And, don't forget "free".

Which is what this is all about, you guys just can not get this guy arrested for crossing the street against a traffic light , now,can you?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

How could Jason posting SWM, with pictures of his daughter, be a setup?


Not the pics, but the messages involved.

It is not a crime to post pics, or sell a purse on Ebay, is it?

Didn't think so.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Nothing more, nothing less, but very stupid to post on the internet. Jason shows very poor judgment when it comes to what is appropriate for a young child.


I already agreed with the decision on the pics, but, exactly how does this play into the murder of Michelle Young?


:confused:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

You bet. Every murder wants to be free, and being careless with a young child is very insignificant to the murderer that wants to remain free; especially free to hook up with strangers on the net.


Hmmm, don't you think someone who wanted to remain free would stay under the radar, and not put any pics or info on the net about themselves?

The fact that he did, shows he has nothing to hide.

If you want to read, evil, sinister, diabolical, into it, that's up to you.

I don't see L E worried, do you?

I don't see people going to court to do anything to try to change the circumstances.

Guess things must be okay, you think?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Someone tried to claim that the photos were emailed privately, and sold to some tabloid. The photos have Jason's hook up info right underneath. It's not very clear, but SWM is indisputable. It doesn't look like the kind of photo that was emailed.

It's not a crime, but it does tell the world that Jason has no concerns about posting pictures of a young female child, his child, on an internet pick up site. How do you think Michelle would feel about that? Do you think she would be that stupid and careless with her daughter?



The pics are no big deal, but if you feel that they are, call L E.

:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Doesn't matter at the end of the day whether it's either, or, &/or both. Jason seems not worried or couldn't care less what you or I think of him. I've read repeatedly in news stories that his attorney doesn't bother to return phone calls to the media. He also doesn't seem to be worried or couldn't care less or both.



Well, this is the month that should tell all.

If 10/7 and 10/21 pass by, without the GJ getting the case, and we get to the 2 year mark without any arrest , then I don't know what to tell you.

Probably, the same thing I have been posting for months, that Jason is innocent.

:shrug:
Kat

[5swab5]

That's Jason for ya!!

Just too nice, and trusting , not knowing what evil is out there,
I guess, that would try to turn a innocent Daddy/daughter pic into something else.

(snipped)
If Jason is guilty of anything, it was bad judgement, but you know what?, the pics are still on his website.!!!!!
You know what that makes Jason?

Not worried.

:)

Kat


Slaughtering Michelle & Rylan, instead of letting her have a D.I.V.O.R.C.E.

Is your first clue.:)

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

They were just family pics, that's all, nothing more, nothing less.

But, wait !! You know the ones with him in the Ryder truck?

:Cough: it was really a subliminal message showing he has "moved on".!!

:biggrin:

Kat


In and of itself, that particular photo is innocuous enough.

BUT, with the "Movin' On" attitude of Jason Lynn Young, you can BET that it speaks volumes!

Why Jason and his "around the world" photographer insists on pouring salt in the wounds of Michelle's family and friends, is beyond me.:flamemad:

JMO

Swabby

[5swab5]

And, don't forget "free".

Which is what this is all about, you guys just can not get this guy arrested for crossing the street against a traffic light , now,can you?

Kat


Nope,

But he has had SEVERAL speeding tickets since the murder.

There goes your "timeline".

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

snip~

I guess what i am saying is,Jason you need to let Cassidy have a relationship with Linda and Meredith and you can be with them on the visits. All you adults need to put aside your feelings and think of Cassidy. I am NOT saying let them take her anywhere without you but as a father,help build a relationship that can only benefit this child.


I agree Jason should let his daughter see her grandmother Fisher but
I see no reason why he should have to be with them during the visits.

(I just wanted to clarify my previous response to this post.)

[annalyzer]

Kat must be asleep or perhaps i am on her ignore list as they have said they didn't like me:shrug: I think she could really get this Memorial thing up and running i really do. So what ya think Kat can you do this or not? Seems maybe you were bragging about it Monday have you up and changed your mind:shrug:

I must've missed that post. Where did Kat say she was going to put on a memorial for Michelle?

[bookie]

You said that Jason wasn't advertising online. Why does this photo have information under it about being a SWM?

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/image_gallery/3409423/



The information under the picture is about when the picture was taken, camera type and location it was uploaded to. It says at the top "PHOTO DESCRIPTION". It doesn't say SWM.

[5swab5]

:shrug:The information under the picture is about when the picture was taken, camera type and location it was uploaded to. It says at the top "PHOTO DESCRIPTION". It doesn't say SWM.

Doesn't matter to me. Why would it to an unsuspecting young lady?

The FACT remains that Jason used Cassidy for babe bait.

SWM or otherwise, why didn't Jason Lynn Young also say that he AND his daughter have been on his family's "dole" for almost 2 years. OR that his wife and unborn child were annihilated?

I guess he forgot?

MOO

Swabby

I don't know her name or her family, but I would like to personally Thank that young lady for doing the right thing! She is ONE lucky lady! XOO

[JHP]

I must've missed that post. Where did Kat say she was going to put on a memorial for Michelle?

What a wonderful idea. The Young family would certainly feel welcome at that memorial. I hope she follows through with it. How sad that it has been almost 2 years. But it would be wonderful for Cassidy to know that there are people who want to remember her Mother.

JMO

[Leanne Weich]

Hardly a valid comparison. Casey Anthony has talked to both local and federal investigators and in doing so she lied. She's stolen and forged documents and been charged with crimes. The one thing she didn't do is assert her legal right to silence as Jason has done.

She is at liberty to stop talking at any time and in that respect is no different to JLY.

[5swab5]

I can't find a single news media article about this bait story that you keep pumping.

I'm sorry you missed it.

One of the photos was very disturbing. Cassidy looked absolutely terrified!

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

sounds positively baitiful.

you have an over-active imagination.


Nope,

Just the facts, ma'am.

MOO

Swabby

[daddydidit]

Kat must be asleep or perhaps i am on her ignore list as they have said they didn't like me:shrug: I think she could really get this Memorial thing up and running i really do. So what ya think Kat can you do this or not? Seems maybe you were bragging about it Monday have you up and changed your mind:shrug:

looks like she would realize what a perfect opportunity this would be for her to meet the widowed young professional in person.

and don't let it worry you - i don't think they like me either.

::::shrugs::::

[bookie]

Nope,

Just the facts, ma'am.

MOO

Swabby



It's your opinion that she looked terrified in that picture, not fact. Others don't see what you claim you see.

[daddydidit]

I actually feel the fear I see on Cassidy's face. IMO

the look on her face makes me think that she is scared he is going to throw her over the railing. it looks like she is trying to push away from the rails.

after all, no matter what people like to pretend, she probably has on some level, memories of her mother being murdered.

no wonder she is scared of her daddy.

:::jmo:::

[bookie]

Do you include yourself in that category, Bookie?
Just askin'.


Yes I do. I don't see fear on her face. It doesn't matter though. Everyone is going to see what they want to see.

[bookie]

A crying child that is trying to get away from the clutch of her mom's killer can be classed as terrified.

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/image/3409415/


For all you know she was crying because she wanted to go play somewhere. That isn't a terrified look on her face. It's the look I see on my granddaughters face when she's told she can't have or do something she wants.

[5swab5]

It's your opinion that she looked terrified in that picture, not fact. Others don't see what you claim you see.


Yes, it is my opinion, shared by many others.

Swabby

[5swab5]

Not exactly the pic I would post to troll for babes. He sure doesn't look like the loving caring "daddy" some here make him out to be. Cassidy looks like she wants to run as far as she can from him.

I don't doubt Cassidy's wisdom.

MOO

Swabby

[BiggerRedDog]

For all you know she was crying because she wanted to go play somewhere. That isn't a terrified look on her face. It's the look I see on my granddaughters face when she's told she can't have or do something she wants.It could be she looked like that because she wasn't getting her own way, bookie. Or it could be fear. Or she might have just been tired, or cranky, or just being a kid. Whatever the reason for the look, it's not a photo I would share with a potential squeeze. It seems JLY thought more of his own look in this photo than he did of his daughter. JMO

[5swab5]

It could be she looked like that because she wasn't getting her own way, bookie. Or it could be fear. Or she might have just been tired, or cranky, or just being a kid. Whatever the reason for the look, it's not a photo I would share with a potential squeeze. It seems JLY thought more of his own look in this photo than he did of his daughter. JMO


Speaking of the "look"...

What's up with that?

Can't Pat afford to feed the both of them?

Swabby

MOO, as always

[5swab5]

I merely pointed out that no news media ran the bait story. That's a real fact, not some fantasy that lamely tries to bolster the argument that Jason is guilty. I've noticed when anyone tries to post real facts about this case, there are a couple of you who respond by either belittling the poster or with some nonsensical factoid. Claiming that Jason used a photo of a child as bait to pick up women does nothing to advance your credibility beyond $.02. The very real news media hasn't given the story that value. Trying to enhance the story by now insisting the child appears terrified but yet Jason still uses it as bait, adds nothing of value and decreases credibility. Speaking of bait, you might want to make your's a little more believable. Right now, it stinks.

I'm guessing that the "word" of the day is bait?

But, I digress.

The FACT remains that Jason put pics of Cassidy out in the public domain in an effort to solicit a future "squeeze", (see page 6 of Michelle's Autopsy report).

Thank Goodness that lady did the right thing!

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

You do love that word, bait. Four letters, easy for you to spell. Jason may have placed the photos on the 'net and didn't set it to private but he didn't identify the child with name as you and the woman did, if indeed she exists. The more you insist she's real the less it's believable. As I said, other descriptives apply. Lady, another of your 4-letter favs, isn't one of them.


I am Not about to debate the use of the word bait with you. Even tho you seem to think that it is important.

Not going to bore the other posters with my findings, but, since 12:31AM last evening, you have used that word or a variation of it 9 times.

I have used it once!

Pleasant Dreams!

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

A crying child that is trying to get away from the clutch of her mom's killer can be classed as terrified.

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/image/3409415/

"NC WANTED has obtained photos and a text message that murder suspect Jason Young posted n the dating section of a popular website. He repeatedly displays his daughter Cassidy as part of his attempt to find dates. One photo shows a tanned Jason Young vacationing during the memorial anniversary of his wife's murder."


"Exclusive! Exclusive!" LOL Who wrote this trash? When was JY named a suspect? Why is there no link to the supposed original ad that Jason posted with photos? Looks to me like, if anything, Jason responded to an ad. I would hardly classify that as "repeatedly displaying his daughter" in an attempt to find dates. :no:

[bookie]

It could be she looked like that because she wasn't getting her own way, bookie. Or it could be fear. Or she might have just been tired, or cranky, or just being a kid. Whatever the reason for the look, it's not a photo I would share with a potential squeeze. It seems JLY thought more of his own look in this photo than he did of his daughter. JMO


The bolded part is pretty much the point I was trying to make. Without knowing what happened right before the photo was taken there is no way anyone can state for fact that she was scared.

I have pictures of myself and my kids crying. If we waited for the perfect shot at times we'd never get pictures taken. And vacation pictures are something all parents want so I guess you better heap a whole lot of other people in with your last sentence.

[bookie]

"NC WANTED has obtained photos and a text message that murder suspect Jason Young posted n the dating section of a popular website. He repeatedly displays his daughter Cassidy as part of his attempt to find dates. One photo shows a tanned Jason Young vacationing during the memorial anniversary of his wife's murder."


"Exclusive! Exclusive!" LOL Who wrote this trash? When was JY named a suspect? Why is there no link to the supposed original ad that Jason posted with photos? Looks to me like, if anything, Jason responded to an ad. I would hardly classify that as "repeatedly displaying his daughter" in an attempt to find dates. :no:



It reads just like some posts on here. One of our very own could have written that tripe.

[Wyn]

Very perceptive. One of the board's own did. He's
the tripemaster stringer for the tabloid.

==Kingcole

Uh, oh. YOU just posted a lie. YOU know he had nothing to do with it. Did Jason lie to his his mother and tell her that he didn't do it, that someone managed to get a photo of him and Cassidy and post it on Craig's List? Wonder how that worked? Wonder if she's naive enough to believe it? I know you aren't.

[Wyn]

I think those guys that write those things are called stringers. Wonder if there are any stringers on here from NCWanted? You are right no legitimate news outlet touched the story. This whole story is suspect. The story says the internet header. This story wasn't gotten from the internet. The only way this story could have been gotten was if whom ever Jason emailed sold or sent it to NCWanted. The story also says he repeadedly did this but they only offer one email. Any one that thinks this story is on the up and up go to craigslist and see if any of the photos there have photoshop written on them. I have stated before I recently email some lady on craigslist about an item she was selling. The only way anyone is ever going to see that email is if she shows it to someone.




Poor June, your short term memory is gone. Didn't someone just post a few days ago that Capitol Broadcasting owned the company that owns NCWANTED? It's not some tabloid show, it's the local version of the "America's Most Wanted". They do stories on others besides Jason, you should check it out sometime. Maybe you might recognize some of the fugitives.

[Wyn]

A stringer to Faux news? Is this a joke? I'd love to know what they paid for that nonsensical junk. $.02 maybe? :lol:

Poor old King Cole. Can't even get you to believe his lie. :biggrin:

[Wyn]

You might want to go back and reread my post. I don't think I mentioned tabloid. That was your word. You can have the credit for that.

You might as well have. :shrug: I'm not looking for "credit", unlike Jason's supporters, I'm looking for Justice for Michelle's murder.

[Wyn]

The home base for the sleazy tabloid is WRAL television.
That explains the lack of ethics. WRAL is owned by
Capitol.

So long as the tabloid brings in advertising money,
WRAL has no interest in its content.

Those dissatisfied with the tabloid's content should write
to the advertisers. That's how you get the producer's attention.

==Kingcole

So any news company that reports the truth lacks ethics now? I'm sure Capitol Broadcasting is interested in it's content. They don't want to be sued for false information being posted. So, since Jason hasn't elected to sue them for their story on him I guess we can conclude that it's true, despite what he's told around town, if anything at all.

So I guess you've written the advertisers that have their commercials shown during NCWANTED? We know you would have gone the producer first so I guess that tact failed you. All six of you will certainly make a difference! Write away. I hope you'll share one of the letters!

I can imagine just how they would go.

"Dear advertiser,

I would like to complain that NCWANTED posted info on a murder suspect and I disagree with what was posted. I know this boy well and he would never troll for dates online. Why, I don't even think he knows how to use a computer.

He is NOT a suspect in his wife's murder even though all the search warrants served so far point to him. It just isn't true. They're using the search warrants to prove he's not a suspect. I demand you stop advertising on a show seeking justice for the murder of his wife at once!

Yours truly,
Delusional in Brevard"

[5swab5]

The home base for the sleazy tabloid is WRAL television.
That explains the lack of ethics. WRAL is owned by
Capitol.

So long as the tabloid brings in advertising money,
WRAL has no interest in its content.

Those dissatisfied with the tabloid's content should write
to the advertisers. That's how you get the producer's attention.

==Kingcole


Note To Self:

Write to Capitol Broadcasting, WRAL and NC Wanted to tell them what a fine job they are doing.

[Wyn]

Well here is your post. Where in this post was you looking for justice for Michelle? Looks like you were defending a tv show.IMO




Why an I not surprised you can't connect the dots? Everything has to be written out in simple language for you? The television show is called "NCWANTED". They are looking for justice for crimes committed not only by Jason, but by others. The story involving Jason is in regards to Michelle's murder. What do you think it's about? Maybe you should try watching the show.

[Wyn]

I guess if you have a mind small enough you could make a connection between the story and Justice for Michelle. Now if this story had broke 2 months after she was killed not 2 years maybe people would have been up in arms. I guess people want Jason to be a widower forever.

If you had a mind you might have a clue. You just missed the whole point. :read:

"I guess people want Jason to be a widower forever." Are you nuts? We want him on death row. He can marry bubba for all I care.


I swear I had a pet rock in the seventies smarter than you.

[Wyn]

They would never do that. They aren't gonna take a chance on not getting any more photos.

So in your world, they wouldn't call Meredith a suspect because they couldn't take a chance on not getting any photos? Not because she's NOT a suspect? :lol:

[5swab5]

They would never do that. They aren't gonna take a chance on not getting any more photos.

Are you insinuating that Jason would be cruel enough to send pictures showing Meredith how he spent the Anniversary of Michelle's brutal murder?

Swabby

[5swab5]

(snip) Don't you imagine if the Young's had supplied NCWanted with photos and information MF might be their suspect?(snip)

No.

Not in light of all the SWs aimed directly at Jason and that pesky missing "dark-colored pullover garment".

MOO

Swabby

[gorealtors]

She wears a size 10 ladies shoe.

I'm ready for the cops to bust Michelle's killers.
Justice delayed is justice denied. I hope anyone
with info will pass it on.

==Kingcole



That is amazing information you have concerning Meredith's shoe size, Kingcole.

[gorealtors]

I owe it all to onder. She's the mazing one.

If I had any info about the killers, I would quickly
share with the cops. Michelle demands justice.

==Kingcole

I have some amazing news too. I have seen Meredith in person and there is no way she wears even close to a size ten shoe.;)

[5swab5]

She wears a size 10 ladies shoe.

I'm ready for the cops to bust Michelle's killers.
Justice delayed is justice denied. I hope anyone
with info will pass it on.

==Kingcole

For someone that barely even knew Michelle, you sure do pretend to know a lot about her sister.

I call it BULL!

MOO

Swabby

[gorealtors]

Maybe whoever was with MF wore a size 10 shoe. Maybe MF took a pr. of Jasons shoes from the closet and dipped them in blood to frame him. I could buy that story better than I could that Jason killed his wife and wore 2 pr. of shoes to do it.

These blood dipping theories are absurd.:flamemad:

[Jules2]

Maybe whoever was with MF wore a size 10 shoe. Maybe MF took a pr. of Jasons shoes from the closet and dipped them in blood to frame him. I could buy that story better than I could that Jason killed his wife and wore 2 pr. of shoes to do it.


Yeah right..... and then he called her the very next morning and asked her to go to the house. What a stroke of good luck for him that was.


And if this absurd scenario is the case, then why dip a pair of his shoes in blood and also leave a print from another shoe not his size?

Meredith does NOT wear a size 10 shoe. I wonder what size shoe Jason's sister wears.

IMO

[annalyzer]

I agree. I actually DO wear a size 10 women's shoe...but I am much taller. Big feet actually run in families. And if we know that Michelle wore a size 7, it is HIGHLY unlikely that Meredith (who I believe is even a little shorter than Michelle?) wears 3 sizes larger.

Shoe sizes can vary by weight, but only about a size (I use to wear a size 11 before losing weight).

And quite frankly, to declare they are size 10 WOMEN'S shoes when it has never been verified anywhere is wishful thinking.


I wish they had clarified on the sw whether it was a men's or women's size 10. Quite frankly I wish LE would publicly clarify anything about this investigation. Last I heard they had directed all questions go to the DA. Now what?

[Jules2]

I don't know why people keep calling that shirt dark colored. Look at it next to Jasons hand color in the front desk photo. That shirt isn't dark. Jasons hair even looked black in the hall way photo and so did the shirt. Compare his hand to the shirt and you will see what I am talking about. The shirt isn't missing. You nor I have any idea what the phone records say about phone calls. I am sure that LE took MF cell to verify the call. If they didn't they should have.

The shirt he had on at the desk was lighter in color. It's the dark pullover he was wearing when he was headed towards the exit that is being discussed.

Hope that helps.

[5swab5]

I don't know why people keep calling that shirt dark colored. (snipped)

Probably because that is what it says in the SW, instead of something that somebody made up.

(snipped)The shirt isn't missing.

The shirt is missing...did you see the list of things recovered after the SW was served in Brevard? They were looking for the shirt and it wasn't collected, so it is missing. I hope Jason isn't stupid enough to have gotten a relative to buy a replacement for him.

You nor I have any idea what the phone records say about phone calls. I am sure that LE took MF cell to verify the call. If they didn't they should have.

Of course they have Meredith's phone records. She has been cooperating from the beginning, unlike Jason.

Special for you: http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/youngwarrants.pdf

MOO

Swabby

[Jules2]

No Jules I'm talking about the second time he was at the front desk not the first time.


Doesn't matter how many times he was at the front desk. The dark colored shirt that has been discussed in the past that you say is not dark, is the one he is wearing when he was headed towards the exit. That one is dark and that one is missing. The light colored one he wore underneath the pullover is probably missing as well. Jason sure does toss out a lot of his clothes for some reason. :shrug:

IMO

[annalyzer]

snip~ The dark colored shirt that has been discussed in the past that you say is not dark, is the one he is wearing when he was headed towards the exit.


And at the front desk which is what June said.

[annalyzer]

June needs to look at the time stamps on the video stills.
He was wearing the same shirt at the desk (2nd time) as he was wearing walking toward the south exit.


I believe she knows that. Read her post again.

[5swab5]

No, those aren't the options. The DA is not so stupid as to present a theory of one killer who wore two different kinds and sizes of shoes. Hasn't happened in nearly two years, won't happen.

The size 10 Franklin shoe has not been tied to Jason or Michelle Young's ownership. The crime happened near their closet therefore the Hush Puppie print has a reasonable explanation. The child was left alone in the house. She may have played in the closet. If a bloody print of one of Michelle's shoes appeared on the pillowcase and the shoe is missing, would you assume Michelle placed it there? GMAB.

I don't see why it is necessary to assume that Jason "had on" both pair of shoes.

By all accounts, Jason was something of a gym rat. He could have easily picked up a discarded shoe or pair of shoes at almost any time.

He seems to have put a lot of thought into "being out of town"..but just far enough away to be able to get back to Raleigh, calling Meredith to retrieve the printout, BSing Michelle's friends about a Coach purse, and that LAME, LAME excuse for a swing by to Brevard.

So why not throw a red herring (Franklin shoe) into the mix?

MOO

Swabby

[Cardinal]

Dark, light or neon, the pullover he was wearing at the desk at 11:59 PM is missing.

And the question remains, why wasn't it in his luggage?

[Cardinal]

She wears a size 10 ladies shoe.

I'm ready for the cops to bust Michelle's killers.
Justice delayed is justice denied. I hope anyone
with info will pass it on.

==Kingcole

Since you've stated Meredith's shoe size as fact, I will ask for a link to that information.

And since you're ready for justice for Michelle, and are asking anyone with info to pass it on, I infer that means you have no info or you would have passed it on. So, you have no info.

JMO

[5swab5]

And the question remains, why wasn't it in his luggage?

I can hear his attorney now:

You just gotta know Jason, that boy would lose his head if it wasn't screwed on.:rolleyes:

MOO

Swabby

[Cardinal]

Betcha it ended up in a dumpster on 11-3-06.

I can't imagine a shirt disappearing for no good reason. As for whether it's "dark" or not, it obviously wasn't in Jason's luggage. If it were, that would be easily debunked during discovery.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Precisely! Why hasn't one of those 2 contacted LE? They could have saved the state a lot of money and man hours if only one of them made that call.

And the person(s) who murdered Michelle and Rylan would be in jail. June, please, if you have information that the shirt isn't missing, please relay it to LE so that they can focus on the true murderer.

[Wyn]

She wears a size 10 ladies shoe.

I'm ready for the cops to bust Michelle's killers.
Justice delayed is justice denied. I hope anyone
with info will pass it on.

==Kingcole


Don't you feel the least bit guilty posting such a ridiculous lie about Meredith? She doesn't wear a size ten shoe. She'd have to be five or six inches taller. I'm ready for LE to arrest Jason too. Jason has some info, why not get him to "pass it on"?

[Wyn]

I reckon you missed the lllloooonnnnnggggg discussion
we had about how the cops can and do lie and mislead.

If the cops wanted the shirt, they would have asked
for it. They didn't/haven't. Why not? They're not interested.

==Kingcole

Replace "cops" with your name and you've got it right. LE wants the shirt, how do you know they didn't ask where it was? Hmm, think maybe they did. Not interested? Gee, you get more and more confused everyday.

If I remember correctly, you bragged elsewhere about wearing a size ten shoe. Maybe that's what's gotten you stirred up? Did you just realize you're missing a pair of cheap Franklin shoes?

[Wyn]

Well, I'm still waiting for you to call a lie on
the Ohio Oneder girl for her statement. She
knows Meredith doesn't wear a size 10. I
know she does. Why is one a lie and the other not?

==Kingcole


She's correct so she didn't lie. Just you. Meredith doesn't wear a size ten shoe. I know, whether you want to believe it or not. :shrug:

If there's a memorial for Michelle on November 3rd why don't you come and see for yourself?

[5swab5]

You know, funny thing about the memorials you
guys love to brag about. Nobody has yet
consulted Jason or his Brevard family about any
of the plans....then you whine about Cassie and him
not being there.

==Kingcole

I guess it would be too much to ask, for the husband and father to plan a Memorial of his own (with mommies help of course)?

Maybe he should work on a getting a headsone too, while he is at it.

MOO

Swabby

[Wyn]

You know, funny thing about the memorials you
guys love to brag about. Nobody has yet
consulted Jason or his Brevard family about any
of the plans....then you whine about Cassie and him
not being there.

==Kingcole

Why would Michelle's family need to consult Jason when they plan a memorial? I don't think most killers are consulted. Maybe no one could reach Jason last year about the memorial, you know he was off in Puerto Rico celebrating, um, pretending something or other on that day.

[Wyn]

=================

She's never met Meredith. I have. I've seen her shoes.

==Kingcole

I've met Meredith and seen her shoes too. She is correct, you are not. Guess you don't remember how tall she was either.

Have you checked your closet yet? Are YOU missing any of your size ten shoes?

[bookie]

June -- since you seem to be one leading the MF theory...can you please answer a question I keep asking and never get a reply?

Can you explain the Franklin and Hush Puppie prints assuming MF was the perp? Neither of which, btw, were her size?

Thanks.


The Franklins weren't Jason's size but that hasn't stopped the JDI's on this board from putting it on his feet so what's your point? Surely you aren't suggesting she couldn't get her feet into a shoe that doesn't fit.

[annalyzer]

snip~ Until you understand anthropometry, you will continue to make impossible claims such that women can be 5' tall and wear size 10 shoes.




Meredith gets shorter with every post. :tongue:

[5swab5]

There would be no reason for them to consult Jason. What King Cole was talking about is why people on here keep harping about a memorial that Jason wasn't even aware of. The Fishers had their memorial Jason went where he and Michelle spent their honeymoon. To each his own. This is an estranged family in case no one has noticed.

I call Jason and Mommie going to Puerto Rico for a "Memorial" to Michelle, BULL!

What is your excuse for him not attending the other ones?

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

Meanwhile, what does the mutant shoe size of your friend have to do with ~ snipped ~

IMO

roflmao (where's the rolling santa when you need him?)

[annalyzer]

Do her arms hang down to her knees as well? Do you have a picture?


omg stop it! :lol:

[5swab5]

(respectfully snipped)
Meanwhile, what does the mutant shoe size of your friend have to do with the murder of Michelle Young and her unborn son, Rylan?

IMO

ROTFLMAO! The Good Lord never meant for her to blow over, that's for sure.

MOO

Swabby

[bookie]

Not at all. I was waiting for someone to say that and call foul. If you don't allow that theory for Jason, it is not allowed for Meredith.

But this we know -- one of prints is similar to a pair of shoes that we know Jason owned -- style and size. That is closer than anything anyone can say about Meredith.


I've never posted that Meredith was involved. I was just pointing out that the JDI's can't have it both ways. If someone can fit into a shoe 2 sizes too small then someone else can fit into a shoe 2 sizes too big.

Do you own any Nike's? Or Reebok's? If so then I probably have some that are similar to yours. Unless the Hushpuppies or Franklins are an exact match then the police have nothing. And if they can't put the Franklins in Jason or Michelle's possession they have even less.

[5swab5]

(snipped) Unless the Hushpuppies or Franklins are an exact match then the police have nothing. And if they can't put the Franklins in Jason or Michelle's possession they have even less.



They can't compare, because the SW didn't turn up the HushPuppies. They must be near the "dark colored pullover garment".

What's wrong with that boy? He just walks around and clothes fall off?

MOO

Swabby

[Barbara2]

In this video you can see her feet a little. What size to they look?

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/2044700/

Thank you for that video. Her feet look to be the same size as Michelle's. They definitely do not look elongated in comparison to her height. IMO

[bookie]

They can't compare, because the SW didn't turn up the HushPuppies. They must be near the "dark colored pullover garment".

What's wrong with that boy? He just walks around and clothes fall off?

MOO

Swabby



Or they turned up and didn't match. Or they were gone long before Michelle was murdered. Or they were bought as a gift for someone else. Can you prove any of the above didn't happen? I doubt it.

[Barbara2]

Or they turned up and didn't match. Or they were gone long before Michelle was murdered. Or they were bought as a gift for someone else. Can you prove any of the above didn't happen? I doubt it.

It's not possible to prove that something didn't happen. You can't prove a negative. I think that's taught somewhere back in elementary school, isn't it?

[5swab5]

Or they turned up and didn't match. Or they were gone long before Michelle was murdered. Or they were bought as a gift for someone else. Can you prove any of the above didn't happen? I doubt it.


OR Maybe Jason really wears a size 10 and he bought a pair of HushPuppies on sale in size 12 to use for a red herring footprint after he murdered Michelle in his Franklins.

Can you prove that didn't happen?

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

In this video you can see her feet a little. What size to they look?

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/2044700/

Even two years after her murder it is very sad to see that video and what could have been. And though it's only a glimpse of their time together I think it sheds some light on the kind of relationship these sisters had.

[Barbara2]

Even two years after her murder it is very sad to see that video and what could have been. And though it's only a glimpse of their time together I think it sheds some light on the kind of relationship these sisters had.

Thank you for that. I agree and can't begin to imagine the pain of losing your sister in that way, or any way actually.

[bookie]

OR Maybe Jason really wears a size 10 and he bought a pair of HushPuppies on sale in size 12 to use for a red herring footprint after he murdered Michelle in his Franklins.

Can you prove that didn't happen?

MOO

Swabby



And the reason he bought the size 13 boots would be? More than a year before his wife's murder he was buying pairS of shoes in different sizes as red herrings? And that's just that day's purchases. I'm sure there are more purchases that we haven't seen that will back up what size he wears.

And there's more. The size 13 purchase. Hmmm does he really wear a 13? If so those pesky Franklins that no one can link to him are even smaller then his normal size. But we're supposed to believe he can fit into a shoe 3 sizes too small but Meredith could never wear a shoe 2 sizes to big?

[Barbara2]

And the reason he bought the size 13 boots would be? More than a year before his wife's murder he was buying pairS of shoes in different sizes as red herrings? And that's just that day's purchases. I'm sure there are more purchases that we haven't seen that will back up what size he wears.

And there's more. The size 13 purchase. Hmmm does he really wear a 13? If so those pesky Franklins that no one can link to him are even smaller then his normal size. But we're supposed to believe he can fit into a shoe 3 sizes too small but Meredith could never wear a shoe 2 sizes to big?


I think it's pretty common for people to buy boots bigger than their normal size. Most want to wear thicker socks with boots so they buy them bigger. IMO

[bookie]

I think it's pretty common for people to buy boots bigger than their normal size. Most want to wear thicker socks with boots so they buy them bigger. IMO


I'm glad you put IMO because I don't know anyone who buys bigger boots.

[Barbara2]

I'm glad you put IMO because I don't know anyone who buys bigger boots.

Hiking boots? Are you kidding me? If you wear hiking socks, your feet won't feel very good unless you buy the boots bigger.

[5swab5]

I'm glad you put IMO because I don't know anyone who buys bigger boots.


I do. Wool winter socks are much thicker than regular socks.

Swabby (MOO)

[5swab5]

(snip) You can'be be certain LE checked any clothing/shoes in either closet for blood or that any clothing/shoes were seized from the scene or that LE knew which shoes to look for during the time the house was held as a crime scene.(snip)

The CSIs were there for 13 days, I'm so sure they didn't look for bloody shoes.:rolleyes:

IF wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

MOO

Swabby

[Cardinal]

Ok, who bought the "size 8" white/navy adidas on 7-4-06 ?
Check the SW and you will see .....page 20

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/08/12/3365337/1219081477-20080818133406629.pdf


How odd - I've been so focused on the Hushpuppies when I've looked at that receipt that I didn't notice the sizes of the others until you pointed it out.


There are men's shoes in sizes 8, 12 and 13. And the size 13 shoes are made by Brass Boot, but they're mocs, not boots. So what size shoe does Jason really wear?

[annalyzer]

How odd - I've been so focused on the Hushpuppies when I've looked at that receipt that I didn't notice the sizes of the others until you pointed it out.


There are men's shoes in sizes 8, 12 and 13. And the size 13 shoes are made by Brass Boot, but they're mocs, not boots. So what size shoe does Jason really wear?


I never noticed that before either. I'd think it's safe to say the size 8 shoes were not for Jason. A size 8 men's shoe would fit a size 10 woman though, right? Or the receipt read wrong and there were two pairs for Jason and two pairs for Michelle with a size difference in each.

[Cardinal]

I never noticed that before either. I'd think it's safe to say the size 8 shoes were not for Jason. A size 8 men's shoe would fit a size 10 woman though, right? Or the receipt read wrong and there were two pairs for Jason and two pairs for Michelle with a size difference in each.

I think you're right about the size 8 mens/size 10 womens. But the Candies are size 7, and from Michelle's size and her feet in the video link posted earlier, it appears to me she would wear a size 7. So who would they buy the Adidas for? And the Adidas are included in the SWs.

[annalyzer]

I think you're right about the size 8 mens/size 10 womens. But the Candies are size 7, and from Michelle's size and her feet in the video link posted earlier, it appears to me she would wear a size 7. So who would they buy the Adidas for? And the Adidas are included in the SWs.

What I'm saying is perhaps the receipt showed a men's pair of size 8 shoes when in actuality they were a women's shoe. Not unheard of and especially at a warehouse/outlet type store.

[Cardinal]

What I'm saying is perhaps the receipt showed a men's pair of size 8 shoes when in actuality they were a women's shoe. Not unheard of and especially at a warehouse/outlet type store.

Okay, I see. And you're right about outlet stores, ime.

But the SWs imply the Adidas are missing. If they were Michelle's, why?

[annalyzer]

Okay, I see. And you're right about outlet stores, ime.

But the SWs imply the Adidas are missing. If they were Michelle's, why?

Are they the size 8's? Maybe she bought them for Meredith? :shrug:

[Cardinal]

Are they the size 8's? Maybe she bought them for Meredith? :shrug:

Would you buy shoes for a grown woman without the woman trying them on? Especially from an outlet?

Which makes me think - outlets typically sell last year's shoes or stock overruns, but they also sell "seconds". Which may or may not be true to size.

JMO

[Cardinal]

I don't think the adidas are missing. Wasn't it the Franklin's that they are looking for . Maybe the HP's ,also.

If the Adidas aren't missing, why are they included in the SWs?

[Barbara2]

Are they the size 8's? Maybe she bought them for Meredith? :shrug:

If that were the case I would think they would have asked Meredith about them. It's hard to say without having more information. Michelle's mom may have been in town and been shopping with them or a friend. Maybe they bought the shoes using their credit card and discount card but were reimbursed for the friend's shoes. There are unlimited possibilities. I'm not sure any of it matters except for the Hush Puppies which match the print on the pillow. IMO

[annalyzer]

If that were the case I would think they would have asked Meredith about them. It's hard to say without having more information. Michelle's mom may have been in town and been shopping with them or a friend. Maybe they bought the shoes using their credit card and discount card but were reimbursed for the friend's shoes. There are unlimited possibilities. I'm not sure any of it matters except for the Hush Puppies which match the print on the pillow. IMO


If they were a size 10 Franklin they'd matter but you're right, a size 8 Adida doesn't.

[annalyzer]

Would you buy shoes for a grown woman without the woman trying them on? Especially from an outlet?

Which makes me think - outlets typically sell last year's shoes or stock overruns, but they also sell "seconds". Which may or may not be true to size.

JMO

I bought shoes for my mother without her trying them on. :shrug:

[Cardinal]

If they were a size 10 Franklin they'd matter but you're right, a size 8 Adida doesn't.

I think the Adidas must matter in some way, or they wouldn't be included in the SW.

But that aside, I'll repeat my comment about outlets and sizing with regard to the Franklins. Sizes don't always run true with outlet shoes. That could be the case with the Franklins.

JMO

[annalyzer]

I think the Adidas must matter in some way, or they wouldn't be included in the SW.

But that aside, I'll repeat my comment about outlets and sizing with regard to the Franklins. Sizes don't always run true with outlet shoes. That could be the case with the Franklins.

JMO

I don't think they'd matter unless there was a print from them at the crime scene. They were listed on the receipt I think is the only reason they are listed in the sw.

[Cardinal]

This is just my opinion only but I think the Franklins were a cheap shoe sold at Target and K Mart.


And sizes don't always run true with cheap shoes either.

JMO

[Barbara2]

<snipped> Did they have IQ tests 50 years ago?

Yes. Since the early 1900s.

[Cardinal]

I don't think they'd matter unless there was a print from them at the crime scene. They were listed on the receipt I think is the only reason they are listed in the sw.

Actually, I just looked at the inventory of seized property - it includes the Adidas but says they're size 12.

It appears the receipt may have been incorrect.

JMO

[annalyzer]

And sizes don't always run true with cheap shoes either.

JMO


I don't care how much sizes may vary with cheap shoes a size 10 is not going to equate to a size 12 or 13.

[annalyzer]

Actually, I just looked at the inventory of seized property - it includes the Adidas but says they're size 12.

It appears the receipt may have been incorrect.

JMO


The Adidas were seized?

[JHP]

I think you're right about the size 8 mens/size 10 womens. But the Candies are size 7, and from Michelle's size and her feet in the video link posted earlier, it appears to me she would wear a size 7. So who would they buy the Adidas for? And the Adidas are included in the SWs.

Maybe these shoes were bought for the guests of the California trip. One thing I would like to know are the exact dates of that trip.
What I have always found interesting, is the people on the California trip are also the same ones who were with J on the way back to Raleigh.
Coincidence? Maybe, But interesting IMO.

[annalyzer]

Maybe these shoes were bought for the guests of the California trip. One thing I would like to know are the exact dates of that trip.
What I have always found interesting, is the people on the California trip are also the same ones who were with J on the way back to Raleigh.
Coincidence? Maybe, But interesting IMO.

Weren't the shoes bought the previous year?

eta: the "people" were his family. *shrug*

[JHP]

Weren't the shoes bought the previous year?

eta: the "people" were his family. *shrug*

7-4-06 approx. 4 months before the murder.

[Barbara2]

I don't care how much sizes may vary with cheap shoes a size 10 is not going to equate to a size 12 or 13.

I just checked two pairs of shoes in my closet both Reeboks. One pair has US size 4 1/2, UK size 4. (I wear a US 6). The other pair has US size 6, UK size 3 1/2. I'm not sure that the size stamped on or in the shoe is necessarily always accurate.

[Cardinal]

The Adidas were seized?

Yes, as were the Reeboks. Page 24:


http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/08/12/3365337/1219081477-20080818133406629.pdf

Which, imo, calls even more attention to the fact that the Hushpuppies were not.

[Barbara2]

7-4-06 approx. 4 months before the murder.
I thought it was '05. I'll have to go look again.

There were two other pairs purchased in March of '06. The four pair in question were in July of '05.

[JHP]

I thought it was '05. I'll have to go look again.

Sorry Barbara, I was just reading from the previous page posts.

[annalyzer]

Yes, as were the Reeboks. Page 24:


http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/08/12/3365337/1219081477-20080818133406629.pdf

Which, imo, calls even more attention to the fact that the Hushpuppies were not.


Yep, yep.

o/t I hate how this new system makes you type in more letters than you want to. :cuss:

[Barbara2]

I have a question. LE had the crime scene for 13 days. They surely knew about the bloody prints on the pillow before they left the scene. Why wasn't every shoe in that house taken by LE?

Probably because they could see that none of those shoes matched any of the prints found in blood. That would be my guess. I don't see that all of the other pairs were relevant to the crime.

[annalyzer]

I have a question. LE had the crime scene for 13 days. They surely knew about the bloody prints on the pillow before they left the scene. Why wasn't every shoe in that house taken by LE?

:shrug: And here we are almost two years later with no arrest.

[annalyzer]

Then why did they take the adidas and Cassies flipflops with a SW?


Maybe they didn't find the receipt for shoes purchased until later?

[annalyzer]

The Adidas said size 8 and they were actually size 12.
Why do you have such a hard time understanding why they took the other shoes bought 7-5-05 ?

Well in case she doesn't understand why don't we tell her why: to show that he still had the other shoes listed on the receipt but not the HP's which may have left a bloody print at the scene.

eta: but neither the receipt nor the seized items account for the size 10 Franklins.

[annalyzer]

Did you actually think they were hoping to find the Franklin's in Brevard ?


Did I say that? hammer

[annalyzer]

That's my take on you saying the Franklin's weren't seized. hammer

Well then you took it wrong. I'm saying that nothing so far is accounting for a size 10 Franklin shoe print found at the scene. I find it hard to believe that Jason would go to all the trouble to wear a smaller shoe to throw the investigation off only to leave prints made from his own size/style shoe also.

[annalyzer]

How do you know he realized he left HP prints ?

Well if he committed the murder while wearing the HP's as you and some others have suggested I'd think he'd realize they left bloody prints.

[annalyzer]

The HP impressions may have been visible with luminol only.


Okay make up my mind. He's smart enough to get away with this murder for nearly two years or he's too stupid to know a pair of shoes he's wearing while beating someone to a bloody pulp will leave prints. Which is it?