Sat. Sept. 27/Evening Thread/Day 103

[Rayosunshine]

It could actually, I am telling you this for your own safety, and not because I believe Casey gave it to Caylee. (She could have but Im not suggesting it.) Herbal drugs need to be used with caution and advice from an herbalist.

And anyone taking herbal drugs must strongly consider the source of the drug. Example: years ago Tryptophane (sp?) was contaminated, mfg outside the US and imported, caused alot of problems that were nervous system related. And, don't be to confident about US made medications either.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[barskin&co.]

Is this the same little girl we've seen holding onto Cindy in some of the videos? Blonde girl I think.

I wouldn't think so. I think the girl's mother doesn't want her daughter involved with this.

[luvinlife]

We all have great inner power. The power is self-faith. There's really an attitude to winning. You have to see yourself winning before you win. And you have to be hungry. You have to want to conquer.

The above is posted on Jesus Ortiz my space: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=15753753

This is taken from page 412 of the following released documents of Casey’s computer http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-case-discovery-documents-2batch,0,2787194.htmlpage

Eric James Baker

>in memory of an old friend:

“We all have great inner power. The power is self-faith. There’s really an attitude to winning. You have to see yourself winning before you win. And you have to be hungry. You have to want to conquer.” -Jesus Ortiz

Forever in my heart.

Someone special:

R. I. P.

Eric James Baker

12.8.83 - 8.11.07



Casey said Caylee’s father’s obit was on her computer. Cindy said she thought the name of the father was Eric, but couldn’t remember his last name.

This looks like something Casey could have concocted herself, especially since there is a quote on there from Jesus Ortiz’s My Space. JMO



I know I am way way behind , but in case it hasn't been mentioned Jesus apparently passed away May 2007. Pretty hard to write that to Eric in August of 2007

[Rayosunshine]

So you 'waste' your time here because you're not psychic?


I actually spend my time here as a diversion from grief, which is all-consuming.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[barskin&co.]

I know I am way way behind , but in case it hasn't been mentioned Jesus apparently passed away May 2007. Pretty hard to write that to Eric in August of 2007

Whoa! Good catch! I'm wondering if this is what Casey refers to as the "obituary" of Caylee's father that she had on her computer. Yet another bogus document like her emails from her "event planning job" (emails which George admitted that he knew were phony).

[Rayosunshine]

True Isabelle.

That is way beyond my comprehension.
Why did Cindy allow 31 days to go by?
Why do the A's all have such a distrust of LE?
:confused:

Why would the Anthony's allow 2+ years go by?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[mosey2]

That's ridiculous


Was a cop there BEFORE Lee was that night?





At first I thought the idea of George disposing of the body and then allowing Casey to abandon the car with the evidence intact was preposterous.

Something weird though.. When GA retrieved the car he told the tow yard employee that he had already spoken to Amscot and they told him when the car was towed. Did the tow notice include the info? Or did it just say where the car was towed to? How did he know where it was?

My son's car was towed once and a few days after we picked it up we received a notice. It didn't say where it was towed from.



I hope I've got this right. I'm really tired.
George had already been to the yard a couple of hours earlier. He could have found out from someone at the tow office then, and called amscot after he left to get Cindy and cash.

[aubrey04]

... especially since this latest doc/video/audio release. Yowza.

Right.. I bet it is like a pressure cooker right now in that house. I bet Casey was IRATE when she heard George and Cindy's interviews w/police. She was already enraged when she was first in jail & watched Cindy's original interviews with the media... being snippy with her mom during the jailhouse tapes....about Cindy's "cameo" appearance.. She was TICKED.. After hearing the interviews, I bet she is fuming.

Man, do I ever agree with that analysis, including that both Cindy and George know Caylee is dead but may not have admitted it to each other. It must be bubbling up just beneath the surface of everything they say or do. Uncomfortable? I would say unimaginably so.

I agree.. so what are their conversations like I wonder? Does Cindy pretend Zanny exists with Casey.. like Cindy did with detectives? Do they actually talk about Zanny and theories on where Zanny might have taken Caylee, etc.? Just watching the videos of Cindy carrying on the lies with the detectives made me wonder --- is she doing that at home? (rhetorical question)..

anyway, talk about an awkward situation.

[barskin&co.]

I am confused why they haven't arrested her yet. They have quit talking about the DNA evidence. It's a little concerning IMO. I hope I am wrong. I know at this point all of the evidence is circumstancial, but the mounds of circumstancial evidence is substancial. I am surprised they haven't started any grand jury hearings, etc.

From what has been reported lately, they are triple checking their evidence. They know there is going to be a problem without a body, but it is not insurmountable with the right forensic evidence.

Casey Anthony: The Evidence
Anthony Could Face Charges In Daughter's Disappearance In Weeks

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Without a body, witness or confession, investigators looking into the case of missing toddler Caylee Anthony said they're piecing together a circumstantial case like a large puzzle.
And they said they're working to fill the holes that they believe Anthony's attorney will try to punch through their case.
According to other sources, lab tests have been ongoing as recently as this week to "triple check" that evidence. Investigators said they're confident those tests will provide "iron-clad proof" that Caylee's body was in the trunk of the car, how her body was positioned and that strands of her hair fell out after she died.
Investigators have also confirmed that high levels of chloroform were in the trunk, and they said they're close to determining the dates someone researched chloroform on Anthony's computer before Caylee disappeared.
http://www.wesh.com/news/17563488/detail.html

[aubrey04]

Was a cop there BEFORE Lee was that night?


Yes. A cop went to Tony Lazarro's right after 911 was called. He went to TonE's to get Casey's phone. According to TonE, at that point -- they tried to get the laptop working but it wouldn't work. So they plugged it in -- because they believed the battery wasn't charged.

The cop did NOT take the laptop the first time he went to TonE's house.. Apparently, the cop didn't realize the seriousness of the situation; therefore, didn't get the laptop when he first visited TonE's house.. I believe Lee went to retrieve the laptop in the middle of the night of the 15th.

JMO

[VII]

I wouldn't think so. I think the girl's mother doesn't want her daughter involved with this.

IIRC, the girl doesn't live w/Mother, she lives w/Grandmother who HAS allowed her to be involved with this....

[mosey2]

And sometimes one sees more than a Pros or defense lawyer to convict one..My mom did that on a murder trial in Florida. Defendant claimed self defense, picked up a gun off a table . No one but my mom noticed and my mom said, by the photo's, the table which the gun was on, was full of beer bottles and soda cans, and if one rearched quickly for a gun how did none of the bottles and cans not get knocked down? Jury convicted based on my mom's observations of the photo's.
That is so cool! Go Mom!

[barskin&co.]

Someone (Joan?) posted that they thought that LE might be releasing this stuff to sew dissension in the Anthony camp. If it's not just being released because of the public's right to know, I think this might be true. It should certainly have that effect, no matter what the reason for its release. I doubt Nejame's television appearances have helped Casey's mood. :D

They might be doing that, and, if so, I say, keep it up.

[aubrey04]

You do know they are only releasing those which have no bearing on a case don't you?

uhm.. Are you kidding? The things being released are documents that have been filed with the county clerk and are subject to public record. The Freedom of Information Act/Sunshine laws permit the release.

I am pretty sure Baez was the one who started the ball rolling when he asked for discovery in the child neglect and fraud charges. Once the discovery and documents are filed with the county clerk -- they are public record.

That in NO way prohibits them from being used at trial.. In fact, these documents/interviews are part of discovery; therefore, the prosecution DOES plan to possibly use them at trial.

[summer4meplz]

Now, Annie is the person that Casey said she can get Xanax from in the email, and Dante lived in the Sawgrass, right?

Dante says he and Annie are no longer together....(ws..can i say that?)

[mosey2]

But I also remember in an earlier statement released about what that tow guy said that he stated that G & C told him that they had talked to their daughter and their granddaughter was missing! So it is fishy all around. Then in his 2nd statement he says that G & C say that casey isnt letting them see her. That needs to be clarified and I hope LE has done it.
It was the woman in the office that said she overheard George say that he found his daughter but his granddaughter is missing. That REALLY needs to be clarified. She may be recollecting something she heard on the news and mixing it with what she really heard which was, according to the guy George was talking to at the time was "My daughters been missing and she wont let us see our granddaughter. (per his statement)

[mosey2]

Dante says he and Annie are no longer together....(ws..can i say that?)
Aw, that makes me sad:( NOT

[barskin&co.]

IIRC, the girl doesn't live w/Mother, she lives w/Grandmother who HAS allowed her to be involved with this....

Yes, you're right, it is the grandmother, who has wanted to stop the madness.

Local 6 News Obtains E-Mails Sent From Casey Anthony To 12-Year-Old
Caylee’s Mom Befriends Girl
POSTED: 3:38 pm EDT August 29, 2008
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Local 6 News on Friday exclusively obtained e-mails from Casey Anthony, the mother of a missing 3-year-old Orlando girl, that she sent to a 12-year-old girl she befriended since being bailed out of jail.The e-mails, letters and a bracelet were sent to Dakota Skii, a St. Cloud Middle School student, who helped organize a vigil in St. Cloud earlier this month for Caylee Anthony, who has been missing since mid-June...
Skii, who believes Caylee is still alive, was hospitalized with a severe stress-related medical issue after hearing that sources recently said DNA results and air sample tests from Casey Anthony’s car suggest that Caylee is likely dead, Skii's grandmother, Lois Peter, told Local 6 News.
Peter contacted Local 6 News about the relationship and has since informed law enforcement, saying she hopes the Anthonys do not feel betrayed and that she wants the "madness" to end.
Peter said she called Casey Anthony's mother, Cindy Anthony, after Skii was hospitalized to inform her of the situation.
"I heard Casey in the background, and she was crying. I was like, 'Yeah, Casey. Just tell us what happened to Caylee,'" said Peter, who believes that Caylee may have died accidentally.
A hand-written note sent to Skii from Casey Anthony said:
"Hey Sweetie! I can't thank you enough for everything you have done for my family. I am really looking forward to seeing you. We will schedule something very soon, I promise. I would love to have you spend the night, and spend time getting to know each other. You are such an amazing girl and already a true friend. We are so blessed to have you and your Mom in our lives. I love you. Thank you for my gift (a stuffed animal), I named him after you. I will see you soon. Love, Casey"

http://www.local6.com/news/17337744/detail.html?rss=orlpn&psp=news

[summer4meplz]

I doubt it was to an angel, I doubt that even a fallen angel would continue to hang onto Caylee unless of course, there was good reason for her to go into hiding and it just isn't time for Caylee to resurface just yet.


Don't think for one second that IF Caylee DOES resurface, no matter how wonderfully kind someone has been to her these past 3 months...she will more than likely have years of therapy to even begin to get over the trauma her first 3 years with the Anthonys have caused her....and I hope,,,if by some miracle of God ...she is alive...the anthony's never get custody of her again...

[VII]

My reply is blue inside your post. :)

but,
Simon Burch TOLD George where it was towed from ... and commented to him that Amscot was lenient in tow requests, given the number of sites for which they had some kind of contract to tow, AND the low number of requests to follow through.
Simon Burch also thought it odd that the car was pulled into a slot and just HAPPEND to "run out of gas" at that time.
All was hindsight but things he was starting to put together from his personal encouter w/players in this case....

[barskin&co.]

Not really though. There is a lot of useful evidence in what has been released. I believe most of it is discovery in the Neglect/endangerment/forgery trial. But they probably consider those wrapped up. The murder charge is not though.

Yes, that is exactly what this discovery material is for. She hasn't been charged with anthing else...yet.

[VII]

Thanks... the red
It seemed from the statement to me like the tow employee was surprised by his knowledge of the car being towed from Amscot.
I'm going to have to reread when I'm less exhausted,


Yes, he was surprised given that the tow company had a tow contract w/Amscot, the number of sites, and minimal requests for tow.

YWIA

[Joan Weiss]

It was the woman in the office that said she overheard George say that he found his daughter but his granddaughter is missing. That REALLY needs to be clarified. She may be recollecting something she heard on the news and mixing it with what she really heard which was, according to the guy George was talking to at the time was "My daughters been missing and she wont let us see our granddaughter. (per his statement)Mosey, if I may, George said that to the tow guy while they were walking to Casey's car. imo

[Rayosunshine]

Anyone know who that is?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[impartial]

You may be correct but it is only all of the evidence which is only circumstancial evidence that is being released. If not correct where is the DNA evidence shown and other documentation?

DNA is circumstancial evidence.

IMO

[VII]

Mosey, if I may, George said that to the tow guy while they were walking to Casey's car. imo

imo also
:beer:

[summer4meplz]

As much as I have been following this case, I believe I could sit on a jury, hear the facts and base my decison souly on the facts presented in a court.

Anyone else think they could do this?


No doubt...

[Joan Weiss]

Not really though. There is a lot of useful evidence in what has been released. I believe most of it is discovery in the Neglect/endangerment/forgery trial. But they probably consider those wrapped up. The murder charge is not though.The evidence released is for the current charges. Baez demanded discovery and when he got it, it then became public record.

There is no murder charge, so Baez is not entitled to that evidence until the charge is made. imo

[mosey2]

Mosey, if I may, George said that to the tow guy while they were walking to Casey's car. imoYeah I know. She had stepped out to have a ciggy and george and tow yard man were walking away
Youve done this before and I dont know what your point is here either??
Am I just being unclear? ,-me talking in nice gentle voice, cause thats who I am

[VII]

I thought George already knew. I'm going to have to reread the tow docs.

my brain is tired too, and come to think of it, I'm confused about whether GA KNEW before or after his conversation w/Simon. I DO recall the conversation between Simon and GA about the low number of requests....
I wanna think, GA found out via the computer generated notice that the car was at the tow yard. Not sure .... been a few hours since I read Simon's statement....

[Joan Weiss]

See .. I think things will settle down. I think people just can't stomach the idea of her sitting around on her *** in JB's air-conditioned office all day and sleeping in her own bed every night ...Hi, Idol. I doubt that Casey is having a good time. It may be better than jail, but there aren't enough men around. As for sleeping in her own bed, I don't know that she's so fond of it, she wasn't sleeping there before... ;)

imo

[aubrey04]

Thanks... the red hurts me eyes.

I wondered about the two hours too .. WTH? the stuff was packed already ...Neatly I thought Tony had said a deputy was there first and left it behind? I may be wrong. I loved Cindy pilfering the cash and stuffing it in her pocket. How tacky, considering all that was going on.

It seemed from the statement to me like the tow employee was surprised by his knowledge of the car being towed from Amscot.
I'm going to have to reread when I'm less exhausted,

Yeah. I wonder about that gap in time too. Why was Lee gone so long to retrieve Casey's belongings/laptop? That's very odd.. Just one of the many things I haven't figured out. What the heck was doing? It was the middle of the night..

The deputy that first went to Tony's house had NO idea the magnitude of what was going on that night.. He simply went to Tony's house the first time around to get Casey's hone -- I assume to get Zanny's phone number, so Casey could prove to her family & police that Caylee was safe with the nanny. (yeah right)

And yes, Cindy pilfering the cash out of Casey's purse was pretty messed up... especially after Cindy had told Amy in the car ride over to pick Casey up.. that Amy wouldn't ever seen the money that Casey stole from her.

[Joan Weiss]

Yeah I know. She had stepped out to have a ciggy and george and tow yard man were walking away
Youve done this before and I dont know what your point is here either??
Am I just being unclear? ,-me talking in nice gentle voice, cause thats who I amWhat are you talking about? I don't recall reading anywhere that the woman was involved in that exchange. Done what before? :confused:

[mosey2]

Does anyone know if the street name for Xanax is really Zani? Or is that an assumption? (Guess I need to learn these streets names, LOL)
It is Google Xanaz and Zanny in the same search

[aubrey04]

You may be correct but it is only all of the evidence which is only circumstancial evidence that is being released. If not correct where is the DNA evidence shown and other documentation?

Well, as Joan Weiss posted earlier today.. The DNA evidence has nothing to do with the charges that Casey was arrested on. She is facing child neglect and fraud charges, not murder.. I won't take credit for brainstorming this one - it was Joan who posted it but a lightbulb went off in my head when I read her post.

The prosecution does NOT have to provide any information to the defense for crimes in which Casey has not been charged.. She hasn't been charged with murder; therefore, the chloroform searches, DNA evidence, body farm air test, etc.. don't have to be released to the defense and/or the public.

[mosey2]

What are you talking about? I don't recall reading anywhere that the woman was involved in that exchange. Done what before? :confused:

I never said the woman was involved in the exchange at the time. The woman was involved only to the extent that she overheard it and relayed the information in her interview. As far as doing that before, fogedaboudit:D

[impartial]

Well, as Joan Weiss posted earlier today.. The DNA evidence has nothing to do with the charges that Casey was arrested on. She is facing child neglect and fraud charges, not murder.. I won't take credit for brainstorming this one - it was Joan who posted it but a lightbulb went off in my head when I read her post.

The prosecution does NOT have to provide any information to the defense for crimes in which Casey has not been charged.. She hasn't been charged with murder; therefore, the chloroform searches, DNA evidence, body farm air test, etc.. don't have to be released to the defense and/or the public.


But then neither did the tow truck driver's interview. His interview does not relate to the neglect or fraud charges.

IMO

[Joan Weiss]

I never said the woman was involved in the exchange at the time. The woman was involved only to the extent that she overheard it and relayed the information in her interview. As far as doing that before, fogedaboudit:DOK, I understand. I'll have to read some more, I guess I must have missed that. That would be hearsay in court, wouldn't it? imo

[mosey2]

I think the reason that will happen is because we are going to find out some very shocking things. I believe they know a whole lot more than they have leaked and maybe we will wish we didnt know it. In fact I already feel that way about the little bit I have learned on decomposition.Wanna learn more? The book's still open!!:D
not for the faint of gut

[mosey2]

OK, I understand. I'll have to read some more, I guess I must have missed that. That would be hearsay in court, wouldn't it? imoI wouldn't think so because she heard it come from George's mouth into her own ears without any stops through another persons brain. But eyewitness testimony is the most fallible evidence. Her memory of what George said will probably be proven to be tainted by the previous nights newscast.

[Joan Weiss]

I think it does though, it establishes her complicity in her daughter being missing and goes to what she was doing during that time. Obviously some or much of the evidence is going to apply to all of the charges in some way since it was the same time period.I definitely think it does, too. It shows that she wasn't concerned about her daughter's needs; ie; the car seat and her favorite dolly, and did nothing to retrieve them from the car. imo

[mosey2]

If I am unable to get back on after my demise. You all know how to reach me if you want.

Now back to the regularly scheduled show.

Where is Caylee? What did Casey do with her?
Is GA involved in cover up?
No freakin way. You were fast-tracking to my favorite! Where's my big pen?

[Joan Weiss]

Not if she heard George say it himself.Thanks. Oh, Lord, more reading...I hope they don't release any more until I get done with all this stuff....

[mosey2]

LOL, it was actually your descriptions that did me in. Thanks but no, I will however keep it in mind should I require more.:patriot:Ever at the ready, Sgt. Bratlings!

[barskin&co.]

It's pretty much a lock that the DA will drop the child neglect charge once Casey is charged with murder.

And I believe Casey will be charged with murder in the next two to three weeks.

Yes, I agree with that. And with that I say, good night, all! :seeya:

[impartial]

I think it does though, it establishes her complicity in her daughter being missing and goes to what she was doing during that time. Obviously some or much of the evidence is going to apply to all of the charges in some way since it was the same time period.




The car seat left in the car ... what does that tend to prove? That Casey didn't need the car seat any longer. It goes to their homicide theory. If it relates to the child neglect charge, then LE is saying that the neglect resulted in Caylee's death, and I don't think that's where they are going.

IMO

[Joan Weiss]

Well, as Joan Weiss posted earlier today.. The DNA evidence has nothing to do with the charges that Casey was arrested on. She is facing child neglect and fraud charges, not murder.. I won't take credit for brainstorming this one - it was Joan who posted it but a lightbulb went off in my head when I read her post.

The prosecution does NOT have to provide any information to the defense for crimes in which Casey has not been charged.. She hasn't been charged with murder; therefore, the chloroform searches, DNA evidence, body farm air test, etc.. don't have to be released to the defense and/or the public.Thank you, aubrey. That's the way I understand it. And I believe they have to be careful what they use in the current charges, because all this cannot be used to prosecute a murder charge later on, due to FLA law. I'm not exactly clear on how that works, though. I need to hear more legal opinions on that. imo

[VII]

[QUOTE=LandSharkII©;12198033]It's pretty much a lock that the DA will drop the child neglect charge once Casey is charged with murder.

[QUOTE]

or will they use the info gathered to substantiate the child negect charges as premeditation?

[Pag Boi]

Oh come on now DG. This is a bit much. Even for you. Dontcha think?

The only people this is influencing are the TYPES you listed?

Cambative and Confrontational ATTENTION seeking disorder. That's what this post is. IMO

OMG How did you get hold of my medical records? Yes, I was dx "cAmbative" and u know how? Your opinion just happens to coincide with my disorder. Or slightly southeast of there.

Oops. Sorry. I see you were calling out DG.


Your post is proof that even the theatre of the absurd has stars JMOO of course

[Joan Weiss]

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Criminal-Law-916/Circumstantial-Evidence-1.htm

Direct evidence is just that, evidence that does not require any inference or assumptions or beliefs into what the lawyer wants to prove with it...Examples include:

A person who testifies that they personally saw someone do something...
A video or audio recording of an event...
A person's confession...

Things like DNA would be circumstantial or direct based on what they are being used for. For instance, there are many types of DNA evidence and matchings, some much more reliable than others. Further, the DNA could have come from other sources. It really depends on what you're using the evidence FOR...if you just want to prove a person is a childs father, for example, that would be direct evidence of that...If its being used to determine whether a person committed a crime, it would be circumstantial, like we saw in the OJ case...there are other explanations for OJs DNA being present at the crime scene, and jurors had to infer that his DNA being present is evidence of his guilt of the crime...Thank you, house, that is excellent research. :cool:

[Joan Weiss]

Good night, all! :seeya: Sleep well!Good night, house. Pleasant dreams. :seeya:

[impartial]

Exactly, that is why i believe they will charge her with murder or manslaughter and drop the current neglect charges real soon. They must do it before the new trial begins.



What's your thoughts on the impending charge? Think they will go for the gusto (M 1) without a cause of death?

[Cury-us Coyote]

SpecialAgentJag4 - where did you get this from? I haven't finished all of the documents yet, is this from one of them?

Computer Forensics Report page 36 / page 954
jmo

[beckyj]

Hello all! I'm so far behind. I had to get some things done in my own life before I end up a useless excuse for a human being. There's so much reading and listening to do I will never catch up.

I just finished listening to George's interview. I feel a bit differently about him now. I think he is very sincere and stuck between Cindy and Casey - hopelessly. Poor guy, I really feel for him. I think he has faced reality though.

I was talking to a lady tonight at a band competition who worked for the coroner in Detroit. She said, "The smell of death is something you never forget." She told me some other things that are too gross to mention. Just breaks my heart.

[impartial]

Computer Forensics Report page 36 / page 954
jmo

Who is that masked man?

[Joan Weiss]

It's pretty much a lock that the DA will drop the child neglect charge once Casey is charged with murder.

And I believe Casey will be charged with murder in the next two to three weeks.Hey. LS, ITA. That will be a collective sigh of relief, and then we'll get the test results. :cool:

[sammielizabe]

Try this. I think what you're looking for is towards the end of the clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYriDq4gBI0&feature=related


You are right! He did say that! Sitting next to Cindy he said, "and there they were" I think Cindy kicked him in the middle of that sentence, if i'm not mistaken...I think she thought he was going to say something, that she didn't want......

[Joan Weiss]

Exactly, that is why I believe they will charge her with murder or manslaughter and drop the current neglect charges real soon. They must do it before the new trial begins. They dont have to drop the neglect but according to that strange law they have to step carefully and add to it now or never. Then again I dont know its the craziest law I ever heard of and I dont completely know all the manipulating circumstances that could allow or disallow anything.ITA, and FLA law is weird, imo. And they do still have "Old sparky." :chicken:

[Joan Weiss]

Yep. And with that I'm outta here.

As always... you & I seem to pass in the night. :)Good night LS, always a pleasure to read you. :seeya:

[impartial]

I wonder if they feel they don't need a motive. Her actions AFTER the so-called "disappearance" speak for themselves?



They never have to prove motive ... it's always nice to have one though.

IMO

[Joan Weiss]

What's your thoughts on the impending charge? Think they will go for the gusto (M 1) without a cause of death?Think they might use the chloroform evidence? I think they might.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Hello all! I'm so far behind. I had to get some things done in my own life before I end up a useless excuse for a human being. There's so much reading and listening to do I will never catch up.

I just finished listening to George's interview. I feel a bit differently about him now. I think he is very sincere and stuck between Cindy and Casey - hopelessly. Poor guy, I really feel for him. I think he has faced reality though.

I was talking to a lady tonight at a band competition who worked for the coroner in Detroit. She said, "The smell of death is something you never forget." She told me some other things that are too gross to mention. Just breaks my heart.

Regarding GA audio interview/statement, from GA's description, apparently the Pontiac was NOT backed into the garage. GA walked hurriedly reaching the passenger side taillight. Seems much of trunk's interior (if open) would be visible from that position, IMO.

It is unclear if GA was alone when GA decided to follow CinA's green SUV. Apparently GA had reason to believe Casey was the driver. How? Was he close enough to see and recognize the driver or was the whereabouts of the vehicle's normal driver absolutely certain? In GA's audio statement, he followed the car about 5:30 - 5:45 PM, during his normal 3-11 work shift. Was this event prior to his new job or during one of his Friday or Saturday days-off? Was Casey's use of CinA's car ever discussed among the family after GA's unsuccessful car chase to its destination? Was anyone waiting when CinA's car returned to it's Hopesprings garage? IMO, many questions without an ending to the story.
jmo

[Joan Weiss]

Thanks for all your great posts tonight.
I did learn alot from all your posts.
Good nite.'nite. Sleep well. :seeya:

Me too. Pleasant dreams, all.

[Rayosunshine]

SpecialAgentJag4 - where did you get this from? I haven't finished all of the documents yet, is this from one of them?

Yes found the link at post #608 on this forum. Part of the computer forensics. Wonder now if that is Grund.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Pag Boi]

ROTFLMAO! When will she realize we know it's her every darn time?

My best guess is that it will be at the same time you gain :read: skills.

IOW, it is impossible. Neva gonna happen

[Rayosunshine]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3434.60

I clicked on the link and Tony L was answering questions.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Pag Boi]

I don't expect anyone to jump on my wagon. When I see people who have a diff opinion, I say nothing. It seems you do, you go after them. It ruins the board when you do that. ;)

ITA. Your posts say "nothing" even though there are words. You don't go after "anyone". You're just blindly posting unfounded accusations. Keep ROTF. It certainly seems an appropriate venue ;)


ROTFLMAO! When will she realize we know it's her every darn time?

[Marianne]

:seeya:
Kitty.....IIRC during the walk-through with Greta, Cindy states the hibiscus was/is in a container...not planted directly in the ground.

So what? The question is what is beneath the hole? maybe its not a very deep hole is what she was trying to say. How large was/is the hisbiscus container? Gallon size or larger? Large enough to cover a small body?

I had my neighbors daughter playing over at my studio once and she was close to 5 years. She was fooling around once and sat down in a small cardboard box completely covering herself. Box was maybe 12-18 inch square. It was amazing.

[Marianne]

It costs lots of money to search for a "stolen" child!!!! JMO


The Anthony's must be rich to bo so willing to accommodate their daughter's spending. Cindy is obviously paying the bill, never comlains about it. Would you do that for your 20+ yr old ?

[Marianne]

Maybe try looking for the "e-nose" and germs, cancer, things like that.

I haven't looked for trials though.

ermmm ... my brain feels like the wax coating on Gouda cheese.

It is strange here that some posters have remarked on the Anthony's reaction to the overpowering smell coming from the car and allowing the smell into their garage and eventually to seep into their home.

That to me says they are aware of how some smells cling and linger for long periods of time. Why even the smell of garlic in a kitchen can be hard to remove.

The body farm evidence should hold up in court..

[MyrDawn]

What's your thoughts on the impending charge? Think they will go for the gusto (M 1) without a cause of death?

If I'm not mistaken, in Florida, a Grand Jury must bring a First Degee Murder indictment. If they don't, the most the defendant can be charged with is Second Degree Murder.
JMO

[Marianne]

And HE dint have any interest in having her "offspring" around. His words.

Its possible she didn't really want the relationship with (forgot his name already ..the fired law officer)..Kind of flirting but turning him off with "snothead" giving him the upper hand so to speak in ending it.

God knows why she didn't insist on using protection...I was going to say ...making him use a condom, but why the hell didn't she have her own?
Don't tell me Cindy is a good mother. She may know a thing or two having already raised two but she is a loser IMO. With Cindy being a control freak she is also totally lax, totally aberrant in most areas

Or Casey was just out to get pregnant again and possibly land some child support. i think Casey was so overprotected, so crippled by her I'll do everything for you mother that she didn't have a clue as to 2+2+4. She had no idea of consequences.

Even if Casey hadn't been turned in by her mom i think she had messed up her life so much by stealing from Amy and lying to everyone she would have had to split the scene..hence try to go out to calif and take up residence there maybe telling him he was really the dad. And then maybe she would have become a crook full time unless she was ready to settle for menial job. She would always find people to snow.

i have to confess here Under extenuating circumstances I once stole from Winn dixie. i was living out of my car and had two weeks to go before I'd get any money and I was broke. I
devised a plan and started out stealing just a jar of peanut butter. it was so easy it scaqred me. so i would go back and do it again justifying it to myself...you know by telling myself how much food they waste and throw out each day. So I kept doing it stealing a little more each time till I got up to a California steak....and i got caught. All I can say is thank G because it was like a sickness taking over. i learned my lesson. There is never any justification for stealing.

That is why Cindy needs to get on the tough love and press charges

for all of her thefts.

There is a book written by a psychiatrist named Thomas Szaz on this issue. About how it makes a person crazy if you protect them from taking responsibility .

[ann10]

uhm.. Are you kidding? The things being released are documents that have been filed with the county clerk and are subject to public record. The Freedom of Information Act/Sunshine laws permit the release.

I am pretty sure Baez was the one who started the ball rolling when he asked for discovery in the child neglect and fraud charges. Once the discovery and documents are filed with the county clerk -- they are public record.

That in NO way prohibits them from being used at trial.. In fact, these documents/interviews are part of discovery; therefore, the prosecution DOES plan to possibly use them at trial.


Thanks for this post. I keep reading here that released info cannot be presented at a grand jury, etc. This is false. It is also untrue that released info will not be used in a trial. imo.

[SavannahStar]

I Know YOU aren't Daddy'sGirl That poster YOU are NOT.

Although it is hard to differentiate between the 2 of you when we can't tell where your lips begin and his butt ends. Stop blaming posters for getting a little mixed up. It's NOT their fault.

BTW There are sevral super adhesive removal products on the market now days. You might want to try one. For LIP safety sake. Ya know?

Geeeeeeeeeez. :rolleyes:

[Marianne]

And anyone taking herbal drugs must strongly consider the source of the drug. Example: years ago Tryptophane (sp?) was contaminated, mfg outside the US and imported, caused alot of problems that were nervous system related. And, don't be to confident about US made medications either.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

And don't be confident about the safty of eating any food sold at the supermarket and foods that are advertised. All soy products except fermented carry a danger of excessive estrogen, all corn based products incl high fructose are GMO (genetically modified by Monsanto) and are responsible for killing off the bees worldwide and causing a myriad of problems (animals that eat it die of tumors). No meat is tested for madcow and deficient in minerals which can cause your nerves to shutdown, fish has high mercury....and Big Pharma loves ya....(Big Pharma actually owned by Phillip Morris).