Sat. Sept. 27/Evening Thread/Day 103

[barskin&co.]

Casey killed her the NIGHT of the 15th or the afternoon of the
16th. After all the information and interviews I went through that's when she did it.

She disposed of her between the 24th of June and the 27th of June to the best of my knowledge from what I can gather.

IN MY OPINION

I agree with that time line.

[rosejustrose]

He did lie. He was asked if he knew her and he lied about it saying he has just met her the one time. This is a woman under investigation in a major case, and lying about a relationship is a major infraction.

ITA, especially for a probationary employee. What a stupid thing to do. Another of Casey's victims. When will the count stop? JMO.

[ginky41]

Casey killed her the NIGHT of the 15th or the afternoon of the
16th. After all the information and interviews I went through that's when she did it.

She disposed of her between the 24th of June and the 27th of June to the best of my knowledge from what I can gather.

IN MY OPINION

I can't even imagine.....

[anyonesguess]

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OHHHHHHHHHh i hope not. If it is we will not hear anything about the case.


Ok, I found it. It is NOT the same week as the election. :)

Event Date Event Time Description Location
11/17/2008 0930 MANUAL - TRIAL ROOM 6-D ON THE SIXTH FLOOR

11/5/2008 0900 MANUAL - PRETRIAL CONFERENCE ROOM 6-D ON THE SIXTH FLOOR

[Mint_Julep]

http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q259/M2KFL/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/?action=view&current=noswim.jpg



Here is a picture that shows how high the water is in Orlando during the search.

Has the water level gone down very much since TES left? I so want Tim and the crew to come back and find Caylee so she can finally rest in peace.

[rosejustrose]

You know, I was thinking....technology sure has come a long way.

They can trace what you do on your computer,
where you are on your cellphone,
tell whether hair is from a deceased person,
all amazing things....

Why can't robitussin make a decent tasting cough syrup? *hack, hack*

Awww, are you not feeling well? I hope you feel better soon.:rose:

[playnice]

Casey killed her the NIGHT of the 15th or the afternoon of the
16th. After all the information and interviews I went through that's when she did it.

She disposed of her between the 24th of June and the 27th of June to the best of my knowledge from what I can gather.

IN MY OPINION

What I dont understand is why would someone drive around for days with a dead body? I believe Caylee died the night of the 15th or the afternoon of the 16th too.

[Acorn]

You know, I was thinking....technology sure has come a long way.

They can trace what you do on your computer,
where you are on your cellphone,
tell whether hair is from a deceased person,
all amazing things....

Why can't robitussin make a decent tasting cough syrup? *hack, hack*

It's an amazing world we live in...just imagine in 10 year increments how things will advance.

I hear ya about the Robitussin. It's vile.

[barskin&co.]

ITA, especially for a probationary employee. What a stupid thing to do. Another of Casey's victims. When will the count stop? JMO.

Oh, yeah. I forgot he was probationary. In that case, he was going to be axed all the quicker for lying about a relationship with a woman under investigation in a major case.

[playnice]

2 vechicles at Anthonys and a light on in caylees room. I think its her room, the one with the poster in it?

[kakax]

I agree RR...that is just what I think also. How could she drive around so long with poor little Caylee in her car??? Just makes me sick to think of it!



I wonder where the yard figures in all of this. If there were cadaver dog hits, Caylee was more than likely back there. It is such a small yard...seems odd she would take the chance of having her in that backyard.

[st777jo]

People in front of black truck.

Does anyone know if the taxpayers are paying for the badge who is protecting the A's house??

[rosejustrose]

With all due respect, I tend to believe the few posters who have demonstrated the capacity to feel compassion for George and Cindy Anthony are the least obsessive of the entire group. Speaking for myself only, I see the Anthony's as loving grandparents. They have lost their precious grandbaby, seemingly at the hand of their daughter. I can't begin to imagine their confusion, anguish and grief. Their denial is the mechanisn to their survival. Their entire world is forever shattered. Nothing they can do will bring that baby home safely and their innability to accept that notion, has affected their ability to appear rational or to conform to the guidelines set forth by a group of message board posters who believe they are in position to judge them, and their grieving processes. Inasmuch as you are unable to comprehend any sympathy for then, I am unable to dictate how they should respond to the unimaginable horror they must be suffering.

I don't consider myself obsessed. My compassion for the Anthonys, is what I believe to be the result of a christian upbringing, and is instilled within me.

:(

Whatever .

[ginky41]

The newly released interviews and documents might give us some insight as to what evidence they have (phone records, etc.) and it gives some of us additional perspective on attitudes and demeanors of the Anthony's....but do they give any additional hints on timelines or anything else?

[VII]

I agree RR...that is just what I think also. How could she drive around so long with poor little Caylee in her car??? Just makes me sick to think of it!


but, in the interview w/the tow truck driver, he compared the stench of a car in which a man had died and was in there for 5 days compared to the stench of Casey's car, and said the former was MUCH worse. He indicated that it was so bad, they moved it out of the gated area and even opened the door for a few days to air. He rated that smell as a 7 compared to the worse he's encountered.
He said Casey's car smelled similar but not that bad....
SOOOooo, don't think she could have been in the trunk that long or he'd have seen decomposition when he took the trash bag out.

omo

[kitty1182]

People in front of black truck.

Does anyone know if the taxpayers are paying for the badge who is protecting the A's house??

Link please..I had already clicked mine off:(

[steffaroob4]

I did a quick perusal and didn't notice Lee on there either !

maybe he was under bestfriend:confused:

[MiamiNice1]

The only thing that really changed my opinions were the interviews with George and Cindy.

Those are a must see...

Kakax, are there written transcripts for those interviews? I had a hard time hearing the audio. TIA.

[rosejustrose]

The only problem with that is that one would kill the other after getting the truth and then lie...leaving us to never know the truth and offer that baby a decent burial.

You're probably right. I pray that something inside that cold witch ignites and she realizes that she owes Caylee the truth. Just a little tiny spark of humanity. You know, something a child would come to expect from their mother. Oh, listen to me, we're talking about Casey Anthony, not a normal person. JMO.

[kitty1182]

I wonder where the yard figures in all of this. If there were cadaver dog hits, Caylee was more than likely back there. It is such a small yard...seems odd she would take the chance of having her in that backyard.

I still say that bush should be dug up...Just how deep is that hole?

[barskin&co.]

Just my point onl met and had sex twice for what reasons? It sure seemed in the interview he the cop didn't really know Casey but had sex upon their first encounter with a condom but second time didn't use one. It seems to me something more going on.
IMO

Whatever was going on (which sounds like sex to me), he was a probationary employee. He was asked if he knew Casey, and he lied. That's why he was fired.

[KKKKKKatie]

I wonder where the yard figures in all of this. If there were cadaver dog hits, Caylee was more than likely back there. It is such a small yard...seems odd she would take the chance of having her in that backyard.

Just a guess but IMO she started to bury her in the back yard but found it to difficult to dig a hole so she put her back in the car and put her somewhere else. IMO she did this the day she borrowed the shovel from the neighbor

[VII]

With all due respect, I tend to believe the few posters who have demonstrated the capacity to feel compassion for George and Cindy Anthony are the least obsessive of the entire group. Speaking for myself only, I see the Anthony's as loving grandparents. They have lost their precious grandbaby, seemingly at the hand of their daughter. I can't begin to imagine their confusion, anguish and grief. Their denial is the mechanisn to their survival. Their entire world is forever shattered. Nothing they can do will bring that baby home safely and their innability to accept that notion, has affected their ability to appear rational or to conform to the guidelines set forth by a group of message board posters who believe they are in position to judge them, and their grieving processes. Inasmuch as you are unable to comprehend any sympathy for then, I am unable to dictate how they should respond to the unimaginable horror they must be suffering.

I don't consider myself obsessed. My compassion for the Anthonys, is what I believe to be the result of a christian upbringing, and is instilled within me.

:(

:beer:
I agree.

[kakax]

The newly released interviews and documents might give us some insight as to what evidence they have (phone records, etc.) and it gives some of us additional perspective on attitudes and demeanors of the Anthony's....but do they give any additional hints on timelines or anything else?



The one thing that was new to me was George describing a time when Casey took her mother's car, after the 16th of June. He chased her down a state road. He couldn't remember the date, but he has an E pass for the toll roads and was going to be able to find the date.

The new documents also explained how she was driving around during the 2 weeks her car was impounded. The first week, Tone was gone and she drove his Jeep. And we already knew the 2nd week she was driving Amy's.

Also learned that on June 25, Casey talked about the smell to Amy in a text message and said that her dad had borrowed her car and hit a squirrel.

Casey told Lee that 2 squirrels had crawled up in her engine and died.

Can't think of anything else right now.

[rosejustrose]

I wonder where the yard figures in all of this. If there were cadaver dog hits, Caylee was more than likely back there. It is such a small yard...seems odd she would take the chance of having her in that backyard.

I don't believe George saying he saw them. I think Casey killed Caylee right in the Anthony home and moved her body to the yard while she figured out what she was going to do. I suspect she took something from the house to wrap Caylee up and put her in the trunk. IMO, she stayed there until Casey found a place to dispose of her and ditch the car. JMO.

[lonetraveler]

I'm repost this post from yesterday. There is a question about testing for DNA from maggots. Well, today on Spike TV, there was an episode of CSI where Grissom is slicing a maggot to check for DNA so that they can identify a body (the body was put into a tree chipper and nothing was left for identification but the maggots). I know this is just a TV program, but I was wondering if any of the board's forensic experts were reading here tonight and could answer the question: Can you get DNA from maggots to identify the victim???

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09-26-2008, 09:09 PM
westport321
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 2

maggots

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been lurking for years, this case has me pulling my hair out, anywhoo, can they get Caylee DNA from the maggots in the garbage bag in the trunk of the car, assuming that those larva had close contact with a dead body? and I have smelled decomposing human on several occasions, nothing else that is decomposing smells like it. It is very distinctive so if I heard someone saying it smells like a dead body in the damn car I would believe it.
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[Rayosunshine]

What's his name the cop who got fired? Anthony R?

In the beginning of the interview I heard, it seems like something is implied but really not really stated not just his lying but it implies something more IMO.

Could it be that this cop hired Casey as a prositute and paid for sex services rendered after all the cop stated he was used? Perhaps the cop didn't think he had to pay for sex maybe? Is this why he was fired from the force? Illegal prostitution of....and with Casey? Maybe he knew Casey was a prositute and didn't pay and he felt he was used for free or didn't get his money's worth.
Either way, he said they had sex and Casey put her clothes on and left right after. He said they had sex twice but only the first time did he use a condom but not the second time....

Geeze it seems like paid sex to me.

Have you read the Text/Im/emails (one of those) from Anthony R. and Casey - they are a real piece of work. If you have a problem with explicit material, rated XXXX, don't read it. I could not imagine anyone finding that on my computer or cell phone and broadcasting it for all the world to read.

He got what was coming to him and maybe more.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[rosejustrose]

The newly released interviews and documents might give us some insight as to what evidence they have (phone records, etc.) and it gives some of us additional perspective on attitudes and demeanors of the Anthony's....but do they give any additional hints on timelines or anything else?

Not really, but more importantly, they don't give us or LE any idea where Caylee is. JMO.

[st777jo]

Link please..I had already clicked mine off:(

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

[Howiefan]

Link please..I had already clicked mine off:(

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

[Motomom]

Just my point on meeting and had sex twice for what reasons? It sure seemed in the interview he the cop didn't really know Casey but had sex upon their first encounter with a condom but second time didn't use one. It seems to me something more going on.
IMO

He was also on a probation period and lied.

[kitty1182]

Thanks guys!!!!!! :beer:

[VII]

Yes they are loving decent people who desperately want the truth but also two people who are scared to death of what the truth actually is and totally desperate to protect their daughter that is alive?


imo
they are not doing it to "protect" their daughter that is alive
at one point, they were probably hopeful she would confide in them.

Now, at this point, what're they to DO until the DA decides they have enough info to make the case stick.

If ya wanna be upset w/someone now, try the DA's office...
to ME, enuff is enuff....

[kakax]

Kakax, are there written transcripts for those interviews? I had a hard time hearing the audio. TIA.



I haven't seen them in written format..maybe someone else has?

[steffaroob4]

I think the baby's body started to smell in the backyard or in the trunk of the car when Casey got rid of Caylee.

You know, I have been thinking.

Do you think she could have killed her with chloroform on the 16th, and had a plan to place her in the pool to make it look like an accident. Maybe something happened like skin discoloration that made her scrap the pool idea, so she started to dig in the backyard, but changed her mind when she heard the dogs barking, so she put her back in the trunk.
Whatever happened, I find it hard to believe it happened at the home.

[hamebone]

Just my point on meeting and had sex twice for what reasons? It sure seemed in the interview he the cop didn't really know Casey but had sex upon their first encounter with a condom but second time didn't use one. It seems to me something more going on.
IMO

You get a better feel for him if you read the IM's between them...


They are in their 20's, why would they need a reason to have sex.

[rosejustrose]

Just my point on meeting and had sex twice for what reasons? It sure seemed in the interview he the cop didn't really know Casey but had sex upon their first encounter with a condom but second time didn't use one. It seems to me something more going on.
IMO

I wouldn't read too much into it, Lukie. Casey's a tramp and I think that's now a fact, a matter of record. IMO.

[?noanswer]

I'm repost this post from yesterday. There is a question about testing for DNA from maggots. Well, today on Spike TV, there was an episode of CSI where Grissom is slicing a maggot to check for DNA so that they can identify a body (the body was put into a tree chipper and nothing was left for identification but the maggots). I know this is just a TV program, but I was wondering if any of the board's forensic experts were reading here tonight and could answer the question: Can you get DNA from maggots to identify the victim???

Repost from yesterday:
09-26-2008, 09:09 PM
westport321
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 2

maggots

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been lurking for years, this case has me pulling my hair out, anywhoo, can they get Caylee DNA from the maggots in the garbage bag in the trunk of the car, assuming that those larva had close contact with a dead body? and I have smelled decomposing human on several occasions, nothing else that is decomposing smells like it. It is very distinctive so if I heard someone saying it smells like a dead body in the damn car I would believe it.
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I saw that show also. Just did a search and this is what I found:

http://www.astm.org/JOURNALS/FORENSIC/PAGES/4562.htm


Abstract
DNA analysis of maggot crop contents can be used to identify a missing body or aid entomologists with interpreting evidence used for PMI estimations.

[Rayosunshine]

Who knows. I thought the father's name was Jesus Ortiz. Didn't he die in a car crash, too? IMO, Casey has no idea who Caylee's father is. She's just a tramp. JMO.

I think Jesus was first mentioned, then when the A's found out that the coroner still had blood on him that could be used for DNA testing, they changed their story to Erik. If Erik also died in an accident the coroner may well still have blood on him. Some labs hold samples for a very, very long time.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[playnice]

Hope you got the PM lol


Did you read the story about the recent case but NOT the first time a oman had killed her child and drove aound with the child in the trunk for MONTHS? Making excuses as to where the child was?

I got it. thanks. I know I would be stopped for a traffic violation, have a tail light go out or get in a wreck. That is pretty darn brave for people to do that.

[Rayosunshine]

Just read through the replies from Tony L

I feel so sorry for him.

Somehow in my heart I cannot feel sorry for Tony L.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[MiamiNice1]

I haven't seen them in written format..maybe someone else has?
Thanks, I was so hoping for the written transcripts of the GA and CA interviews that have just been released......anyone know if they exist?

[rosejustrose]

I'm repost this post from yesterday. There is a question about testing for DNA from maggots. Well, today on Spike TV, there was an episode of CSI where Grissom is slicing a maggot to check for DNA so that they can identify a body (the body was put into a tree chipper and nothing was left for identification but the maggots). I know this is just a TV program, but I was wondering if any of the board's forensic experts were reading here tonight and could answer the question: Can you get DNA from maggots to identify the victim???

Repost from yesterday:
09-26-2008, 09:09 PM
westport321
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 2

maggots

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been lurking for years, this case has me pulling my hair out, anywhoo, can they get Caylee DNA from the maggots in the garbage bag in the trunk of the car, assuming that those larva had close contact with a dead body? and I have smelled decomposing human on several occasions, nothing else that is decomposing smells like it. It is very distinctive so if I heard someone saying it smells like a dead body in the damn car I would believe it.
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Common sense would tell me yes, you can get DNA from a maggot. If that nasty little bugger was eating a corpse, I would think they would be able to get something. JMO and I'm no forensic expert.

[Rayosunshine]

Do you think Casey knows the truth?

I do wonder if Casey knows the truth, or if she is mentally able to comprehend it.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[lonetraveler]

Either it happened that way or she did leave her in the back yard until she borrowed the shovel then drove around with Caylee in the car. I'm still not sure what to make of that part of the case with Cadaver dog hits and borrowing the shovel.
IMO

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I still believe that Casey borrowed the shovel to use to manuever Caylee's body into a garbage bag without having to touch her as much as possible. The shed was locked so she could not use George's shovel. The garbage bag that was retrieved from the Wrecker Service was white. I bet that the bag that held Caylee was also white. I'm also wondering why Casey's friends did not notice a stench coming from Casey. She was riding in a car that from many accounts, was exuding a power stench. It seems like the smell would have soaked into her clothes and hair.

[rosejustrose]

Hope you got the PM lol


Did you read the story about the recent case but NOT the first time a oman had killed her child and drove aound with the child in the trunk for MONTHS? Making excuses as to where the child was?


Yes, I did hear about that. That was why I gave a big roll eyes to Padilla when he talked about Casey trying to get rid of Caylee and her being like jello, or such. That didn't ring true to me when he said it and it still doesn't. I believe Casey left Caylee in that trunk for over a week. JMO.

[lonetraveler]

Common sense would tell me yes, you can get DNA from a maggot. If that nasty little bugger was eating a corpse, I would think they would be able to get something. JMO and I'm no forensic expert.


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I feel the same way. Wonder if there is a "Grissom" performing DNA testing on the maggots retreived from the dumpster?

[hamebone]

So what is that? I'm saying that I really don't think the reason is only a lie, I think it's for perhaps other reasons added to the lies. It takes alot to get thru Internal Affairs to get fired, check it out. There's more to it the guy broke laws and that could have been prostitution. JMO

I think lying to LE when they are trying to find a missing child...is enough to get fired. I think he lied about it twice....said he only met her once. When in fact they were intouch through IM and meeting up for quickies....she really lead him on...telling him she was getting a house...and he could stay there all the time with her..this girl has some major problems.

[jessjam]

imo
they are not doing it to "protect" their daughter that is alive
at one point, they were probably hopeful she would confide in them.

Now, at this point, what're they to DO until the DA decides they have enough info to make the case stick.

If ya wanna be upset w/someone now, try the DA's office...
to ME, enuff is enuff....


There is no reason to be upset at the DA. They are doing there job. It is the Anthony's that are not telling the facts on everything and trying to make their job harder.

[?noanswer]

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I still believe that Casey borrowed the shovel to use to manuever Caylee's body into a garbage bag without having to touch her as much as possible. The shed was locked so she could not use George's shovel. The garbage bag that was retrieved from the Wrecker Service was white. I bet that the bag that held Caylee was also white. I'm also wondering why Casey's friends did not notice a stench coming from Casey. She was riding in a car that from many accounts, was exuding a power stench. It seems like the smell would have soaked into her clothes and hair.

It is my opinion that Caylee was in the backyard at one time. Maybe when she was moved she was in a bag that was sealed really good and thereby contained the smell. Casey left her in the car, until the bag began to leak and smell. That's when she abandoned the body and then the car. I think she was going back home when George and Cindy was at work. She probably took a bath and cleaned up after she disposed of the body. JMO

[kakax]

http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q259/M2KFL/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/?action=view&current=july25photos036.jpg


Thought this was an interesting photo from the photobucket with alot of pictures from this case. The neighbors have to be sick of it!

[rosejustrose]

To be honest I would not doubt that she has totally justified this in her little mind to believe that Caylee's body is so decomposed or devoured by alligators that there is nothing left to recover and therefore that she is better off being left where she is. I cant think of any other way that she could live with the idea that her child has not been buried. Sorry if that is terribly gruesome, I dont mean to be.

I don't think you're being terribly gruesome. I think you're being terribly honest. What is terribly gruesome is the fact that we're here discussing the likely murder of a beautiful little girl and we seem so much more concerned than her own blood relatives. OK, I asked for it, I know.

[hamebone]

Perhaps his comment of how he felt used. He felt like a girl being used. It spells sex for cash to me in many ways but that's just my opinion. Go back to the beginning of his tape and there are implied unstated reasons for his interview. Perhaps I'm hearing it different but I hear something not really said. I would value someone elses opions about that perhaps I am be reading more than what I hear.
IMO of course.

Read the IM's and you will see why he felt used...she lead him on and on and on.....

[rosejustrose]

I think Jesus was first mentioned, then when the A's found out that the coroner still had blood on him that could be used for DNA testing, they changed their story to Erik. If Erik also died in an accident the coroner may well still have blood on him. Some labs hold samples for a very, very long time.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Sure does seem like a lot of people Casey knows dies, or is it just me?

[kakax]

http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q259/M2KFL/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/?action=view&current=018-2.jpg


Here is a picture of a sunfire's trunk.

[Rayosunshine]

With ALL the interviews and depositions. I believe the smell wasn't getting that bad as far as throughout the car and others starting to smell it until she decided to abandon the car. The Tow yard MANAGER said there was a smll but it wasn't until later and the day the Anthony's picked it up that it was that bad.
I think it started to smell enough to get to Casey and thats when she left it at Amscot then between the heat and being enclosed it got worse. Just an opinion

Wouldn't you think if someone parked next to the car at Amscot they would have smelled it, or the manager who call in the abandoned car to have it towed off the lot. Wonder if LE has to come out when a car is towed off public property.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[rosejustrose]

That's a bit of a stretch, IMO. I think hot pants Rusciano there needs to take responsibility for his own 'relationship' with Casey as well as the fact that he wasn't truthful about it and got himself canned.

You're right, my bad.

[msjoni]

I don't believe George saying he saw them. I think Casey killed Caylee right in the Anthony home and moved her body to the yard while she figured out what she was going to do. I suspect she took something from the house to wrap Caylee up and put her in the trunk. IMO, she stayed there until Casey found a place to dispose of her and ditch the car. JMO.

I tend to agree with this. I don't believe that George can remember so much detail of the day of the 16th.... or he's remembering another day...The only explanation IMO is to why the dogs hit on the backyard is because Caylee was killed at home....

[kakax]

Wouldn't you think if someone parked next to the car at Amscot they would have smelled it, or the manager who call in the abandoned car to have it towed off the lot. Wonder if LE has to come out when a car is towed off public property.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom



We know that LE was called to check the tag to make sure it wasn't stolen. I doubt they came out since it didn't come up as stolen.

[bluwaters]

but, in the interview w/the tow truck driver, he compared the stench of a car in which a man had died and was in there for 5 days compared to the stench of Casey's car, and said the former was MUCH worse. He indicated that it was so bad, they moved it out of the gated area and even opened the door for a few days to air. He rated that smell as a 7 compared to the worse he's encountered.
He said Casey's car smelled similar but not that bad....
SOOOooo, don't think she could have been in the trunk that long or he'd have seen decomposition when he took the trash bag out.

omo
Hi
Just popping in. I think that the difference in size must play a part in this.
Caylee weighed about 30 pounds whereas a grown man would weigh anywhere from (guesstimating) 150 - 200, maybe more, maybe less.

Also the man who committed suicide would not be contained in anyway.
Caylee was most likely in a bag or at least wrapped in a blanket.

jmho

[rosejustrose]

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I still believe that Casey borrowed the shovel to use to manuever Caylee's body into a garbage bag without having to touch her as much as possible. The shed was locked so she could not use George's shovel. The garbage bag that was retrieved from the Wrecker Service was white. I bet that the bag that held Caylee was also white. I'm also wondering why Casey's friends did not notice a stench coming from Casey. She was riding in a car that from many accounts, was exuding a power stench. It seems like the smell would have soaked into her clothes and hair.

I wondered about Casey smelling, too. I hope she still smells that stench and I hope she smells it to the day she dies. IMO, that "stench" was the last sign of Caylee Marie Anthony. JMO.

[kakax]

This guy took pictures at the Amscot. The first picture is blurry, but it does show that they have a remote video camera. Hopefully there is video of Casey leaving the car. It says the camera can be moved.

http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q259/M2KFL/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/?action=view&current=july25photos035.jpg

Here is a better picture of the Amscot.

http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q259/M2KFL/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/?action=view&current=july25photos029.jpg

This shows that there are cameras on every corner of the building.

[hamebone]

Wouldn't you think if someone parked next to the car at Amscot they would have smelled it, or the manager who call in the abandoned car to have it towed off the lot. Wonder if LE has to come out when a car is towed off public property.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Maybe they have interviews of others who smelt it. May not have been released yet. Or they might be holding those interviews back....Casey herself said the car had a bad smell. So it didnt happen after it was towed. Casey blows that theory out of the water.

[BrownEyedF]

I've been thinking that too.

I also wondered if she got tested at the jail for HIV and she's HIV+ and because they can't come out and say that with HIPAA laws and all that, they were hinting. Guess they should have said something about getting tested due to the high incident rate of HIV in the world these days and with him not using protection.


Im not a fan of the Anthonys in any way, shape or form. Having said that, I'm amazed at the stretching that goes on in these discussion forums. HIV????? Because they asked if he used a condom? Why would anyone assume HIV. If you are going to assume an STD, why not herpes, or syphilus, or HPV, or even crabs FGS????

Of course, this is all IMO.

[rosejustrose]

----------------
I feel the same way. Wonder if there is a "Grissom" performing DNA testing on the maggots retreived from the dumpster?

IIRC, LE did retrieve the trash that was supposedly taken from Casey's trunk. Hopefully, they did get some of the maggots that Cindy talked about. JMO.

[anyonesguess]

With ALL the interviews and depositions. I believe the smell wasn't getting that bad as far as throughout the car and others starting to smell it until she decided to abandon the car. The Tow yard MANAGER said there was a smll but it wasn't until later and the day the Anthony's picked it up that it was that bad.
I think it started to smell enough to get to Casey and thats when she left it at Amscot then between the heat and being enclosed it got worse. Just an opinion


But Casey sure made it a point to Txt msg Amy to tell her that her dad borrowed her car and hit a squirrel and it was smelling bad I think on the 24th or 26th.

[anyonesguess]

It is my opinion that Caylee was in the backyard at one time. Maybe when she was moved she was in a bag that was sealed really good and thereby contained the smell. Casey left her in the car, until the bag began to leak and smell. That's when she abandoned the body and then the car. I think she was going back home when George and Cindy was at work. She probably took a bath and cleaned up after she disposed of the body. JMO


What day did she ask Jesse if she could come over and take a shower?

[msjoni]

She is looking for a job as press secretary. She can't go back to this case because she believed in Cindy so much in the beginning.

My sister told me awhile ago that Fox wanted Greta to focus more on politics instead of missing persons..I don't know if this is a rumor or not....

[rosejustrose]

But let's not forget that Cindy is doing her level best to implicate other people. I could overlook most of her freakish behavior if not for that. That is despicable, imo, regardless of her stress, pain and grief.

She threw Jesse out there real quick, IMO.

[impartial]

IIRC, LE did retrieve the trash that was supposedly taken from Casey's trunk. Hopefully, they did get some of the maggots that Cindy talked about. JMO.



They did retrieve the trash ... if the maggots were of any evidentiary value, they wouldn't have needed to do the air testing. Maggots are definately a specialty of the Body Farm ... and proven reliable for admissibility in court.

IMO

[BrownEyedF]

Just my point on meeting and had sex twice for what reasons? It sure seemed in the interview he the cop didn't really know Casey but had sex upon their first encounter with a condom but second time didn't use one. It seems to me something more going on.
IMO


How could he continue being a police officer after this? It was all going to come out in the public record. As far as I'm concerned he lost all credibility for any future interviews (regarding crimes he reported on as a PO) after he lied in this case. Wouldn't any defense attorney rip him to shreds on a witness stand after he lied about this?

I would contest any charges that he was involved in as a reporting officer at a future date just based on what happened here. If he can't tell fellow officers the truth, why would lying under oath be any different.

This is all IMO.

[anyonesguess]

This guy took pictures at the Amscot. The first picture is blurry, but it does show that they have a remote video camera. Hopefully there is video of Casey leaving the car. It says the camera can be moved.

http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q259/M2KFL/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/?action=view&current=july25photos035.jpg

Here is a better picture of the Amscot.

http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q259/M2KFL/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/?action=view&current=july25photos029.jpg

This shows that there are cameras on every corner of the building.


I thought I read in the first 400 page doc dump where they requested the tapes from AMSCOT from the security cameras?

[summer4meplz]

Im not a fan of the Anthonys in any way, shape or form. Having said that, I'm amazed at the stretching that goes on in these discussion forums. HIV????? Because they asked if he used a condom? Why would anyone assume HIV. If you are going to assume an STD, why not herpes, or syphilus, or HPV, or even crabs FGS????

Of course, this is all IMO.

They didn't release the results of her ...was it a blood test or a drug test...?? maybe she's pregnant....maybe she's sick....maybe cindy let her get drunk?...what you call stretching....i think maybe it could be called speculating...that's what happens when secrets are withheld...we are just left to wonder.....imo

[Kathlb]

While she was raising Casey, Cindy should have talked to me. I had my two sons convinced when they were little that I could tell when they were lying by having them look me in the eye. If they were lying, their pupils would get really large. From then on I always knew when they were lying because they looked at everything but me when they were telling the tale. ;-) After they were grown, they said "YOU tricked us!" I said, "Ya think?" :lol:

The only problem with that is that Cindy does it too. I have funny feelings about Lee. He seems so forthright and up front, but something tells me he is right in there with the rest. jmho

[rosejustrose]

I hear you on that scubby...My Christain upbringing and my close relationship with the good Lord is why, I feel for this innocent victim, Caylee Marie. Her lifeless body lays in some landfill, river or worse and yet, Most in this Family cares more about themselves than they do this precious child. I don't understand some of the posters that come on here just to wreak havic and use multiple names to do it. This is a tragedy that is far beyond comprehention. These posters that come here day in and day out trying to figure out where precious Caylee may be are insperational. My heart goes out to the posters who took time out of their day to drive to Orlando and help search for her.
:)


Diane, I think you summed it up nicely. This is a tragedy. We are here for Caylee Marie Anthony. It's just a shame that her family doesn't seem to share the whole community's outrage at what has happened in this case. JMO.

[anyonesguess]

Im not a fan of the Anthonys in any way, shape or form. Having said that, I'm amazed at the stretching that goes on in these discussion forums. HIV????? Because they asked if he used a condom? Why would anyone assume HIV. If you are going to assume an STD, why not herpes, or syphilus, or HPV, or even crabs FGS????

Of course, this is all IMO.


Why would anyone NOT assume HIV in this day and age, and Casey having multiple sex partners?:shrug:

[bluwaters]

Im not a fan of the Anthonys in any way, shape or form. Having said that, I'm amazed at the stretching that goes on in these discussion forums. HIV????? Because they asked if he used a condom? Why would anyone assume HIV. If you are going to assume an STD, why not herpes, or syphilus, or HPV, or even crabs FGS????

Of course, this is all IMO.
I would assume any and/or all of the above.
I don't understand these young adults having unprotected sex.
We can count quite a few men that Casey had sex with from what has been revealed by LE. It doesn't seem likely that the ones named in the transcripts represent all the men that Casey has been intimate with.
It wouldn't be a bad idea for anyone who has been kickin it with Casey to see a health care provider for advice on testing for STDs. Casey herself included.
Here's another one for the list - Hepatitis C

jmho

[?noanswer]

I just looked up Brandi Laurent, a woman who disappeared 8-3-07. TES found her body 11-10-07 about a mile from where she disappeared after about an hour of searching. The area had been searched before, but seems that animals may have disturbed the grave. I don't know the condition of the body.

If Caylee is buried, I think her body would be more deteriorated because of the elapsed time between death and burial. JMO

[summer4meplz]

She threw Jesse out there real quick, IMO.

and Amy....

[lonetraveler]

I saw that show also. Just did a search and this is what I found:

http://www.astm.org/JOURNALS/FORENSIC/PAGES/4562.htm


Abstract
DNA analysis of maggot crop contents can be used to identify a missing body or aid entomologists with interpreting evidence used for PMI estimations.


-----------------------------
Thanks, you beat me to it. Hope that the LE performed the tests on the maggots in the garbage bag.

[rosejustrose]

Nobody went up to the car. so NO
It was by a Dumpster so mixed smells would not alert anyone . So again NO
Again NO LE do not come out when a car is towed from property like that especially when they have signs posted all over the lot of who towes what and when etc. Again answering NO


I agree and it was hot, IMO. People don't waste time outdoors in that oppressive heat. They run from one air conditioned environment to the other. They don't take time to smell the roses, so to speak. JMO.

[impartial]

We do not know if they did an initial air test and then tested the maggots or not? We don't have all that information. Actually we are missing a bunch of very valuable information concerning any of the forensic testing that may or may not have been done.

Hi impartial


Hi RR ... true ... but maggots have proved reliable in the past, and air testing is rare. Usually, they will use the tried and standard in the industry testing, and not go with rare tests if the standard testing gives them what they need because they know the standard testing will hold up in court.


IMO

[msjoni]

Why would anyone NOT assume HIV in this day and age, and Casey having multiple sex partners?:shrug:

If I were those guys, I would be tested for all STD's including HIV....

[rosejustrose]

I won't comment on the posters who helped search or their motives for doing so. I do appreciate your ability to find inspiration on a message board. I suppose we all find inspiration in different places.

Finally...if you think my post constitutes "wreaking havok", I would wholeheartedly suggest that you and YOUR multiple nics utilize the ignore function, or simply skip and scroll.
:read:

Really don't want to get in the middle of this but I honestly don't think that Diane was dissing you at all. JMO.

[steffaroob4]

Give me your thoughts on this doc (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf), why do you think the file path is blackened out? page 9

[kakax]

I thought I read in the first 400 page doc dump where they requested the tapes from AMSCOT from the security cameras?

I don't remember that...but would seem like they would do that with all the video cameras around that building.

[Heyes]

And is it not the same old, same old, Joran's computer was infected with a virus and now Casey's was too. I think Lee did that after all Lee was nearly only 10 minutes away but it took him over 2 hours to return to the Anthony home. I very much wonder what Lee did with that computer for 2 hours for sure.

Joran...ugh don't get me started.
I think its obvious what Detective Lee did with that computer. Couldn't wait to offer it up to the cops either.

These nuts are too obvious with their, too much information, statements.

[bluwaters]

Did you forget to switch nics before you replied to yourself?
Oh man, I hate it when that happens...:punch:

[rosejustrose]

Can you imagine if we didn't know this story. There would be no one who cares about this angel. No one would have tried to find her. LE is still searching, Tim plans to come back out. If it weren't for message boards and such...NO ONE would have even tried to find her.

ITA and that's why I believe that Casey and Casey alone is responsible for this beautiful little girl's death. Had anyone else in the Anthony family been implicated, we would have never even known that Caylee Marie Anthony existed much less was missing. JMO.

[impartial]

Give mr your thoughts on this doc (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf), why do you think the file path is blackened out? page 9


The paths are blacked out on the remainder of the pages as well.

:shrug:

[bluwaters]

They did retrieve the trash ... if the maggots were of any evidentiary value, they wouldn't have needed to do the air testing. Maggots are definately a specialty of the Body Farm ... and proven reliable for admissibility in court.

IMO
Hi impartial :seeya:
Would it be feasible for LE to conduct a variety of different forensic techniques in order to validate the results from one test?
It's just a thought - wouldn't that make it a bit more difficult for the defense to punch a hole in the prosecution's case and bring up a reasonable doubt?

[rosejustrose]

And Lee attempted to implicate Tony in what was deleted from the laptop computer.

When it's quite obvious Lee is the one who deleted.

I don't trust Lee at all. It almost made me physically ill to hear Yuri tell Cindy that when he was talking to Lee he felt like he was talking to a cop. Oh please. Lee just sounded stupid, IMO. They really played the Anthonys, IMO. Now, if they could just find Caylee.

[anyonesguess]

Give mr your thoughts on this doc (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf), why do you think the file path is blackened out? page 9


Stef, I found several that was not redacted. One of them was:

08-089208\WXE906472668\C\Documents and Settings\bobby\Desktop\artwork\misc\233bc8d79357r3 075c7edf5ddb083f11.jpg.

It is the picture of the little girl and the noose.

I would ASSUME that most of the documents they retrieved WERE from her Documents and Settings imo.

[rosejustrose]

Joran...ugh don't get me started.
I think its obvious what Detective Lee did with that computer. Couldn't wait to offer it up to the cops either.

These nuts are too obvious with their, too much information, statements.

OT but there is a place in hell for JVDS, IMO.

[rosejustrose]

According to HIS (George Anthony's) interview with LE. He didn't get a chance to look in the trunk that day. Not sure if he did actually smell anything and we won't know that unless he tells LE or told them and we didn't get the info.
Having Gas cans thrown at you and being cussed at might make you not think or remember if there was a smell. IF GA is even being truthful about that

You're funny - truthful in the same sentence as an Anthony:D

[steffaroob4]

The paths are blacked out on the remainder of the pages as well.

:shrug:

hmmm...

what is cupid.com?

[impartial]

I would say the AIR testing was done for the car trunk itself. IF the maggots were tested. That came from the bag and not the trunk. So there would be 2 different tests and I don't think we know what they did with the contents of the bag. Do you?


I would imagine they booked the contents of the bag into evidence.

The maggots apparently were in the bag, and not the trunk. Unless Caylee was in the bag, I would think the maggots came from the food.

I just finished listening to George's interview ... heart wrenching for him.

What do you think about George saying he told Cindy about Caylee using Cindy's car, and Cindy saying she never heard of that? He was pretty clear that he told Cindy while he was off to chase her and Cindy told him to let it go. I'm not sure what to think there. Why would Cindy lie about it? Why would George lie about Casey having Cindy's car, if not true?

IMO

[barskin&co.]

If George had seen a body in the trunk and decided to help Casey get rid of it, I really don't think we would have ever reached a point where the car was left abandoned at Amscot.

Ah, now that's logical!

[WingNIt]

Can you imagine if we didn't know this story. There would be no one who cares about this angel. No one would have tried to find her. LE is still searching, Tim plans to come back out. If it weren't for message boards and such...NO ONE would have even tried to find her.

i don't know if NO ONE would have tried to find her, I think LE is doing what they need to do and, hopefully, Tim will be back, but the message board keeps everyone aware.

[?noanswer]

If George had seen a body in the trunk and decided to help Casey get rid of it, I really don't think we would have ever reached a point where the car was left abandoned at Amscot.


You have a point there. I think the car would have been dumped and reported as stolen with Caylee in it. Course I'm sure Casey could come up with something much more elaborate. She really should have explored a career in writing novels, with the imagination she has. JMO

[jessjam]

That's if you're assuming that they know the smell belongs to Caylee, which apparently you are - but they've made it perfectly clear that they don't, believe as you do, and in fact, they fully believe Caylee to be very much alive. ;)

Do you believe she is very much alive? If you do, please give me details that make you believe that compared to all the facts in this case that point to the opposite.

[steffaroob4]

Stef, I found several that was not redacted. One of them was:

08-089208\WXE906472668\C\Documents and Settings\bobby\Desktop\artwork\misc\233bc8d79357r3 075c7edf5ddb083f11.jpg.

It is the picture of the little girl and the noose.

I would ASSUME that most of the documents they retrieved WERE from her Documents and Settings imo.

You are right, I looked in the huge file and it isn't blacked out there, it is a doc from her bobby user name. Seems she wrote diary of days on the 2nd, posted it the on third to her myspace and last got into it at 4:50 on July 15th

[impartial]

That's if you're assuming that they know the smell belongs to Caylee, which apparently you are - but they've made it perfectly clear that they don't, believe as you do, and in fact, they fully believe Caylee to be very much alive. ;)


I'm not so sure about George believing that. At least he didn't sound too optimistic in his interview ... he may have changed his mind since then, if so, I would very much like to know what made him change his mind.

IMO

[Kathlb]

The paths are blacked out on the remainder of the pages as well.

:shrug:


Maybe because the username and password were listed in there? I really don't know. MOO

[mosey2]

Give me your thoughts on this doc (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf), why do you think the file path is blackened out? page 9They link to sites that may or may not still exist. They may be blacked out because the only pertinant information on the sites exists in the hard copies submitted into evidence. Maybe to avoid privacy issues.

[steffaroob4]

HOLY CATS:eek:
Did you all see the cell phone bill & payments page:eek:
look on page 12, then 13 (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf)
$574.6 on 7/15

[barskin&co.]

HOLY CATS:eek:
Did you all see the cell phone bill & payments page:eek:
look on page 12, then 13 (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf)
$574.6 on 7/15

That was the electronic check on Amy's account!!

[?noanswer]

HOLY CATS:eek:
Did you all see the cell phone bill & payments page:eek:
look on page 12, then 13 (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf)
$574.6 on 7/15


I'm sure her "employer" was paying them! JMO

[BrownEyedF]

Could you provide a link please to this? I haven't read about this STD's. Thank you.


As far as I know there are no reports that she has an STD. That is why I asked the question. If a detective asks a man if he used a condom during sex, I do agree that there are connotations there. I don't think they are necessarily HIV.

[mosey2]

No they don't.

That's just the facade they put forth to the public to bolster Casey's defense.

Everything the Anthony's do in public is for the sole purpose of Casey's defense.
I agree. I think they know in their hearts Caylee is gone. The fact that they released all the balloons at her vigil kind of cinched that in my thoughts. I have NEVER seen balloons realeased for a missing child. That would be just creepy

[steffaroob4]

That was the electronic check on Amy's account!!

yup, she tried to pay down her bill with that, NO BLACKJACK
at least with that transfer, he account was huge, get off the phone casey

[kakax]

That was the electronic check on Amy's account!!




It sure is! Nice catch!

[Heyes]

She is looking for a job as press secretary. She can't go back to this case because she believed in Cindy so much in the beginning.

Yup Just like she believed in Scott Peterson and Joran van der sloot. She needs to go. They need a new host and a revamped show.
By the time she gets on they have already gone over and over whatever she's talking about anywho.
Is any one still watching her?

I would like another show in that time slot that deals with crime and court cases.
I need to be a zillionaire! I would make it happen. lol

[jessjam]

Says you, but guess what?

You don't get to speak for anyone else, including the Anthonys - and they have publicly, very much disagreed with you. :)

They disagree with anything that is fact and they do not want to face. Especially Cindy. That women truly needs help.

[marshmallow]

I agree with that, but what we've seen may not be the entirety of the contents of personal folders marked Caylee, or whoever Casey handed her off to - therefore the file path would still need to be, and was redacted.

who do you think "Casey handed her off to" ?

[steffaroob4]

It sure is! Nice catch!

Lotsa goodies in here and I have just started reading, lol. Can you imagine having to read this stuff in court, argh. My head would be spinning.

[jessjam]

So you think, but not everyone agrees with that theory.


Just you and Cindy. Isn't that interesting.

[Kathlb]

And that leaves a whole world of possible deceased people out there besides Casey or Caylee - particularly applicable to what Casey may have been involved with, knowingly or otherwise.


Boy, that's a jump off a cliff into nowhere IMHO. Everyone knows that Caylee was in that trunk including the Anthonys. MOO They knew it up front and were afraid to see it and they still know it. You can tell it from their interviews and the 911 calls. The fact that they are in protection mode and also setting a stage for her defense has nothing to do with what they really know deep inside. jmho

[impartial]

who do you think "Casey handed her off to" ?

Zanny.

;)

[kakax]

Lotsa goodies in here and I have just started reading, lol. Can you imagine having to read this stuff in court, argh. My head would be spinning.

NO! That poor jury is going to have ALOT to go through.

[steffaroob4]

How can she be running up such high cell phone bills every month?

Her May payment was for 574.6 (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf), too
weird

[mosey2]

You do NOT have to agree that Casey MURDERED her child but ALL evidence thus far leads to Casey being responsible for her death. If you choose to ignore that then that's on you, but just remember. There are OTHERS who use logic and common sense after delving into the evidence that has been put before us to come to a different opinion or theory than you.
Yep, yup, yeah, and uh huh(affirmative)
caseyomarie killed Caylee

[kakax]

The only ones who matter very much agree with where the evidence leads.

That would be law enforcement.

Your imagination has nothing to do with the evidence.


I totally agree with you!

[?noanswer]

How can she be running up such high cell phone bills every month?

Her may payment was for 574.6 (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf), too
weird

It costs lots of money to search for a "stolen" child!!!! JMO

[barskin&co.]

How can she be running up such high cell phone bills every month?

Her may payment was for 574.6 (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf), too
weird

Well, she didn't have a job, so she spent all her time making calls and texting, maybe. :shrug:

[bchand]

hmmm...

what is cupid.com?

That's the dating/matchmaking site Casey joined.

Her profile goes on and on about how important her child and family are in her life !

(Probably created it after she got out of jail.) lol

[impartial]

Well, let's all wait patiently until we get an answer....Hmm hmmm hmmm...{Tapping toe}...Oh, I have to catch a plane to Bora Bora. I'll see if we have any action when I get back.


Take me with you, one of my favorite places in the world !


Where is Caylee, and who is Casey? Loving, doting mother who panicked because Caylee died on her watch; or cold blooded murderer.

:shrug:

[kakax]

who do you think "Casey handed her off to" ?

I know, I know!

Zani/Jessie/Amy

[steffaroob4]

It costs lots of money to search for a "stolen" child!!!! JMO

where was she getting money to pay off these phone bills, good grief.

well, I am off to bed, night all:seeya:

[summer4meplz]

That's if you're assuming that they know the smell belongs to Caylee, which apparently you are - but they've made it perfectly clear that they don't, believe as you do, and in fact, they fully believe Caylee to be very much alive. ;)


Pathetic, isn't it?

[mosey2]

If the opinions on these boards are representative of a cross-section of society, from which the jury will be pooled, Casey's going down.
And thats a fact

[martha]

The whole a's family knows caylee is dead. they also know casey had something to do with it. You could tell ga knows more than he is telling.I can;t get cindy;s video to play for me but I listened to ga and lee and I am sure they know. jmho:rose:

[Heyes]

http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q259/M2KFL/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/?action=view&current=july25photos036.jpg


Thought this was an interesting photo from the photobucket with alot of pictures from this case. The neighbors have to be sick of it!


I'm sure the neighbors are sick of all this. Thank you Casey and family.
On another note. Lee is having the time of his life. In my opinion.
Car is sparkly clean, he is loving this.
If my niece was missing, I can't imagine acting like he has. Not at all.
Of course my sister would be hanging upside down from the rafters until she spilled her guts. If I could maintain enough control to actually let her live. :shrug: I'm just sayin!

[barskin&co.]

where was she getting money to pay off these phone bills, good grief.

well, I am off to bed, night all:seeya:

Amy and Cindy and Great Grandpa.

[mosey2]

These balloon releases were for missing children, and there's more that I'll be glad to post for you when you finish reading these.

Newton Falls joins state missing-children team
http://www.44444.com/node/431



Balloon Release Remembrance
http://www.helpfindachild.com/balloonlaunch.htm

Wow! You're just all smoke and mirrors arent you? The first link had NOTHING about releasing balloons for a missing child

And the second link just further proves my point. The child had been gone for so long the parents set up a REMEMBRANCE
in other words, they are "releasing" him
Mediocre try, anyway

[impartial]

George says, "The body in the trunk is not my granddaughter!" George has accepted that there was a body in the trunk. Cindy says, "Maybe somebody put a body in the trunk while it was at the tow yard." Cindy has accepted that there may have been a body in the trunk.

Such an odd statement from George ... I thought it was odd then, and now that I have heard his interview, even more odd. He was initially suspicious ... what has changed?

IMO

[kakax]

I'm sure the neighbors are sick of all this. Thank you Casey and family.
On another note. Lee is having the time of his life. In my opinion.
Car is sparkly clean, he is loving this.
If my niece was missing, I can't imagine acting like he has. Not at all.
Of course my sister would be hanging upside down from the rafters until she spilled her guts. If I could maintain enough control to actually let her live. :shrug: I'm just sayin!


When I heard them talking about how Lee had missed his calling (talking about him doing his own private investigation) I gagged.

I'm sure he has hurt this investigation and I can add Cindy to that list as well.

Can you imagine someone coming to you, after your grand daughter has been missing for 31 days, returning a bag with a bathing suit and NOT turning that over to police? Not even remembering the person who brought it over, either?

I understand trying to do a little of your own detective work, but what they have done has hindered this investigation. How can LE trust what they say?

[Mind4Murder]

The repeated references of solid claims by two of several dozen psychics noted in internet reports was completely discredited early today. There has been no information among hundreds of claims over the many weeks which has provided ANY credible information helpful to the case. Both of the leading two police crime psychics have lost extensive credibility in the past two years, and one in particular. For the latest charade and "Watergate type doctoring" of claims by truTV and Biography channel's psychic detective Noreen Renier you may want to review the newest posting at the commercial-site amindformurder.com The small law enforcement agency that passed on some of the earlier reports has now extensively back tracked.

[playnice]

A mother that tells a guy she cant come over and have sex unless she brings the "snothead" doesnt sound like a very good mother to me but thats JMO?:shrug:

[impartial]

Best of all, she refers to herself as a genuine girl. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.


Maybe it was opposite day. :D

[cloe23]

Wrong.

LE might think that they can someday produce what they call evidence, but the only people that will determine that for certain is the Jury - not LE.


Excuse me for chiming in but... it appears you are defending Casey and have a disdain for LE. Please enlighten me????
LE might think that they can someday produce what they call evidence?
HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I want some what you have. FGS!
In a positive note I firmly believe that Casey has met her match. She will face DP. IMO Casey is going down.

[jessjam]

;) You know it!

It is pathetic how you and Cindy want to blame anyone else but Casey.
This is where it really starts to burn me up. How can anyone that is a Christian do that. If anyone else Casey was associated with comes up on this thread then you pounce on it. It is so sad. OMG, stop all of this denial. Quit twisting eveything around. If you want to blame anyone else buy Casey then give us facts. This is getting freakin unreal.

[playnice]

I am way behind did she really say this omg:cuss:

the text messages with the fired cop. She called caylee a snothead.:mad:

[martha]

cindy said she was taking care of caylee feeding her buying everything she needed paying med.bills. now who said casey was doing that? never heard that before. jmho:rose:

[True2Blues]

I am way behind did she really say this omg:cuss:

Yes she did. It's in one of her text messages to the police officer who was fired for not admitting they had had a relationship.

[barskin&co.]

How can she be running up such high cell phone bills every month?

Her May payment was for 574.6 (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf), too
weird

Ye, Gods! Oh, well, why would she care; she was just using other people's money.

[firefly75]

Psstt, you actually have to read the article. LOL

"CART teams will release balloons from Newton Falls Middle School and St. Mary & Joseph School on May 23. Each balloon released will contain information on missing children."

PSST...Maybe you should try reading on the Caylee Marie Anthony case because I think you have it confused with all the missing children sites you said you could post.....Try reading what Casey's own mother said about her mothering abilities. We will be all here waiting for you for I can tell you are way behind:seeya:

[playnice]

I am way behind did she really say this omg:cuss:

And HE dint have any interest in having her "offspring" around. His words.

[kakax]

I honestly don't think the boards opinions represent a cross section of society. I believe most here wouldn't qualify to sit as a juror in a criminal case, just by virtue of the fact that you post here. I remember on the Spector jury questionaire's, one of the questions was "Do you watch court tv; or participate on the message boards?"

imo, of course


Have you seen the polls on wftv's website?


Do you think Casey Anthony sold her daughter Caylee?
Choice Votes Percentage of 5141 Votes
Yes 656 13%
No 4485 87%


The high-profile Central Florida lawyer, Mark NeJame, who now represents Caylee Anthony's grandparents says they are the victims and people are blurring the lines between the parents, George and Cindy, and their daughter, Casey. Do you agree that Caylee's grandparents are victims?
Choice Votes Percentage of 11702 Votes
Yes 3813 33%
No 7889 67%


Do you think Casey Anthony should have been released from jail?
Choice Votes Percentage of 4073 Votes
Yes 377 9%
No 3696 91%


If you were Casey Anthony's parents, would you bail her out of jail?
Choice Votes Percentage of 8436 Votes
Yes 592 7%
No 7844 93%

http://www.wftv.com/news/17564624/detail.html

[martha]

Do we have one person posting under diff.nic's on here tonight? :rose:

[mosey2]

I believe it takes about 4 to 5 days for the decomp smell to start having a terrible ordor, I could be wrong about that and please correct me if I am. You don't have to have a body embalmed until the 5th day as I know it unless you have refrigerative conditions at the most. My dad died on a Sunday but because all of us could be there until Thursday he had to be embalmed.
According to my handy-dandy Forensic book, putrefaction starts immediatly and is more rapid in warm moist climates like Florida. In the first 36 hours, in that environment the belly turns green and spreads upwards. Body blisters and bloats, eyes and tongue protrude. Gasses accumulate and skin& hair slips away. Other stuff, too. So three days in Florida's weather, and yeah...

[barskin&co.]

It is pathetic how you and Cindy want to blame anyone else but Casey.
This is where it really starts to burn me up. How can anyone that is a Christian do that. If anyone else Casey was associated with comes up on this thread then you pounce on it. It is so sad. OMG, stop all of this denial. Quit twisting eveything around. If you want to blame anyone else buy Casey then give us facts. This is getting freakin unreal.

I hear ya! When someone else is pounced on, it is always with insinuations and veiled accusations. Never with anything backed up with any evidence or logic whatsoever. It's just like you say, if it's not Casey, start with the slurs.

[st777jo]

These balloon releases were for missing children, and there's more that I'll be glad to post for you when you finish reading these.

Newton Falls joins state missing-children team
http://www.44444.com/node/431



Balloon Release Remembrance
http://www.helpfindachild.com/balloonlaunch.htm

You actually believe they care about other missing children when they don't seem to care about their granddaughter and bringing her home???

Whatever they are showing other people, is just that, a show.
jmo, jo

[mosey2]

These balloon releases were for missing children, and there's more that I'll be glad to post for you when you finish reading these.

Newton Falls joins state missing-children team
http://www.44444.com/node/431



Balloon Release Remembrance
http://www.helpfindachild.com/balloonlaunch.htm

I'll need at least 2 or 3 dozen more instances to be convinced, if you could be so kind as to find those for me. TIA

[firefly75]

Do we have one person posting under diff.nic's on here tonight? :rose:

WUD give a GIRL like you a thought like that?:D

[martha]

Even lee said Casey didnt buy Caylee anything clothes food med bills or shelter, toys nothing .AMEN I don;t know where that poster got that casey was doing that. everyone knew cindy and george was doing all that.jmho:rose:

[StickyBeak]

I'd say that George thought that Casey was involved in something, but not ever that it pertained to a dead Caylee.

Dead somebody, yes, but not a dead Caylee.

I find it interesting that not one person has come forth and said anything other than that Casey was a very good mom, as well as very loving towards Caylee. Who to know that better than George & Cindy, even though granted, they also knew that Casey wasn't a responsible parent in the ways that she should have been, her own housing, bills, etc., and providing that for Caylee.

I find it interesting that most of their specific age group, belongs to the I know Naaathing generation. You don't snitch, be it drugs, whatever, Ya don't snitch. Think of all the days the will have to sit in court and lose credits at school, wages, perhaps have to pay for travel as well.
I am not impressed with your analogy, her own mother "supposedly" said she is Unfit, therefore Casey said she may very well be right,, per Lee Anthony.

[mosey2]

Psstt, you actually have to read the article. LOL

"CART teams will release balloons from Newton Falls Middle School and St. Mary & Joseph School on May 23. Each balloon released will contain information on missing children."
Well Ive tried them both and I think the target brand is much stickyer than the band-aid brand. They just seem to adhere better.

[mosey2]

Psstt... tell that to Mosey, who is the poster who is misinformed as was proven with links, that balloons are never released for missing children. :)
Now, now. I said I've never seen balloons release for a missing child at a vigil for that missing child
Is it me that needs to get a grip?

[firefly75]

Psstt... tell that to Mosey, who is the poster who is misinformed as was proven with links, that balloons are never released for missing children. :)

Maybe......Mosey is smart enough to know better than to open links from certain posters because she doesn't want a virus....:shrug:

[barskin&co.]

Hey, we were actually having a discussion before we were interupted by nutball theories. Why don't we get back to sanity.

[firefly75]

I must be on ignore on the same ppl that keep bothering me.

No one has responded to me asking them about they're post yesterday.

Who did Casey pass Caylee 'off to'?

TIA

I think to an angel:(

[jessjam]

I don't hate Rebel. I just wondered how she figures she has a right to dictate how DaddyGirl posts. If she doesn't like the posts, all she has to do is ignore and adjust. Its not necessary to be so nasty. imo.

What it all comes down to is that we are all on caylee and le side and need results and not all of this bs. Yes we know already that we can just ignore and adjust. We all would not be here if we did not care.

[playnice]

I must be on ignore on the same ppl that keep bothering me.

No one has responded to me asking them about they're post yesterday.

Who did Casey pass Caylee 'off to'?

TIA

Gosh. Zanny the Nanny. I thought everybody knew that.:shrug:

[True2Blues]

And HE dint have any interest in having her "offspring" around. His words.

And yet that didn't bother the 'mother of the year' at all. She not only pursued the relationship, but agreed with him.

[Heyes]

OT but there is a place in hell for JVDS, IMO.

Hope he saves a seat for Miss Casey.

And both sets of parents.

However I will say this, the Anthony's have the sloots beat. I never thought that could happen.

[mosey2]

I think to an angel:(Yep, right into the arms of an angel, is where she was passed.

[Acorn]

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf

Who is bobby and who uses an Apple computer?
pg 17

Who is annie and how does she get her xanax?
pg 18

[Ionmhainn]

Naw, nothing is posted that can be used in court, you can bet on that. All the documents we can see are not of any value to the case...bet your bippy on that.

I agree....

[barskin&co.]

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf

Who is bobby and who uses an Apple computer?
pg 17

Who is annie and how does she get her xanax?
pg 18

Annie is Dante's girlfriend. Bobby...I don't know...I'll check.

[impartial]

Zanny who? Now is that suppost to be a joke or what?
Oh yea the invisible phone calls to Zanny, the invisible nanny right.?


Who the heck knows. Zanny dates back to 2006, according to Richard Grund. Zenaida dates back to February 2008, according to Ricardo.

Invisible or not, she has been around for a while. In George's words ... bizarre.

IMO

[firefly75]

I wonder how he feels now.

I bet he feels lonley...I can not imagine a girl going near him!! His chat and testimony was so disgusting....:mad:

[mosey2]

Annie is Dante's girlfriend. Bobby...I don't know...I'll check.
Now, Annie is the person that Casey said she can get Xanax from in the email, and Dante lived in the Sawgrass, right?

[True2Blues]

Yep, right into the arms of an angel, is where she was passed.


From one extreme to the other.

[playnice]

Now, Annie is the person that Casey said she can get Xanax from in the email, and Dante lived in the Sawgrass, right?

Lenny said Annie and Dante lived in apt 218 at SG.

[firefly75]

From one extreme to the other.
sometimes the road to heaven can take you through he77.....
for Caylee:rose:

[martha]

:)

You are correct.

JMOYep I think it must be hard when you have so many nic. May tomorrow be the day they find caylee I just wish they could find her. I guess I really know in my heart they will not find that baby.jmho:rose:

[True2Blues]

I wonder how he feels now.

Sorry he ever met her I'd think.

[mosey2]

From one extreme to the other.No kidding:(

[barskin&co.]

Who the heck knows. Zanny dates back to 2006, according to Richard Grund. Zenaida dates back to February 2008, according to Ricardo.

Invisible or not, she has been around for a while. In George's words ... bizarre.

IMO

A lot of people in her fantasy saga have been around for a while. Amy said in her first interview that she would tell her stories of her "event planning job" and her coworker "Juliet Lewis." Then there are her fantasy supervisors who sent her those bogus emails about "events" she was working. Did you hear George admitting that he didn't think she really had a job for a couple of years, and that he knew those emails were fake? (apparently the existence of the job was an issue at home, which is why she fabricated those emails)

[mosey2]

Lenny said Annie and Dante lived in apt 218 at SG.Curious how we havent seen much on them in the evidence so far. They must be HUGE to the case. About a month ago I looked at Dante's Myspace and his comment was something about wanting to punch Geraldo in the nose. I wonder what that was all about:shrug:

[impartial]

A lot of people in her fantasy saga have been around for a while. Amy said in her first interview that she would tell her stories of her "event planning job" and her coworker "Juliet Lewis." Then there are her fantasy supervisors who sent her those bogus emails about "events" she was working. Did hear George admitting that he didn't think she really had a job for a couple of years, and that he knew those emails were fake? (apparently the existence of the job was an issue at home, which is why she fabricated those emails)


Alternate universe.

[firefly75]

I doubt it was to an angel, I doubt that even a fallen angel would continue to hang onto Caylee unless of course, there was good reason for her to go into hiding and it just isn't time for Caylee to resurface just yet.

Oh sweetie I knew you would not of got it....I knew you would respond to that to be mean after I posted it...The people who believe in God know what I am talking about....Your just trying to be disrespectful to Caylee....which shows what kind of person you are....and I am giving you this :rose: to show you what kind of person I am.......

[barskin&co.]

Question: Does LE need the body for first degree?
If so, what about 2nd degree? I asked parcial the other day
but had to leave before I seen her post.

A few years ago, there was a trial on CTV of a child murder. There was no body, and the defendant got the death penalty. And Florida is one of those states where people get sentenced to death and actually get executed.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Give me your thoughts on this doc (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf), why do you think the file path is blackened out? page 9

Hi Steff -
I should finish reading and catch up before responding. But I have a unredacted copy. It is nothing but addresses and phone numbers.
imo

[Rayosunshine]

As far as I know there are no reports that she has an STD. That is why I asked the question. If a detective asks a man if he used a condom during sex, I do agree that there are connotations there. I don't think they are necessarily HIV.

You wouldn't see those reports. They are HIPPA covered.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

P.S. even if she were positive for any of the STD's or HIV, no one who was in contact with her would be notified. That would violate HIPPA

[mosey2]

It's completely irrelevant, IMO. However, it appears Casey had frequent, indiscriminate sex with lots of men. Caylee was the product of a one-night stand when she was still in her teens. She did not always use a condom, as we've learned from Rusciano. She apparently got pregnant with Brandon Snow and then miscarried. Someone was searching escort sites from a computer she used. And I'm sure I'm leaving out other evidence that Casey was promiscuous and not at all careful about protection, ergo, it is far from sheer insanity to presume she might have an STD or six.Who was it OneUp that found that a drug used in HIV therapy which has a street name SamE (samantha) like Zanny (xanax)
Just saying...the girl liked her men and lots of 'em

[playnice]

You wouldn't see those reports. They are HIPPA covered.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

P.S. even if she were positive for any of the STD's or HIV, no one who was in contact with her would be notified. That would violate HIPPA

You are correct.

[Rayosunshine]

The evidence leads to Casey murdering Caylee.

The evidence does not lead to anything having to do with what you continuously imagine.

It will be up to the jury to determine what the evidence leads to. God, am I glad I don't live in Florida. I wouldn't want to be on that jury.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Rayosunshine]

Lotsa goodies in here and I have just started reading, lol. Can you imagine having to read this stuff in court, argh. My head would be spinning.

If you were on the jury, you wouldn't be given anything to read. You would have to pay very good attention and hope to have a very good memory.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[impartial]

Question: Does LE need the body for first degree?
If so, what about 2nd degree? I asked parcial the other day
but had to leave before I seen her post.

Without a cause of death, their burden is going to be quite difficult for premeditation. They don't have any history of her physically abusing Caylee. The interviews of those that know her indicate she wouldn't intentionally harm Caylee; so they won't have any smoking gun witnesses to support premeditation and those witnesses will actually support something other than first degree.

They may charge her with first degree, however, for strategic purposes.

IMO

[Acorn]

Give me your thoughts on this doc (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf), why do you think the file path is blackened out? page 9

It contains the username "bobby"

[mosey2]

A few years ago, there was a trial on CTV of a child murder. There was no body, and the defendant got the death penalty. And Florida is one of those states where people get sentenced to death and actually get executed.Yeah like Texas. There's no "green room" for Death Row Inmates. Just turnstiles (no pun intended) Not at all like California, where they have about 600 on death row and execute only a handfull every year.
Can you tell I'm for the death penalty?

[playnice]

If you were on the jury, you wouldn't be given anything to read. You would have to pay very good attention and hope to have a very good memory.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Arent you allowed paper and pen so you can take notes ?
My name has came up 3 times for jury duty. I almost had to go once but they plea bargained the morning of the jury selection.

[Rayosunshine]

Just you and Cindy. Isn't that interesting.

FYI Jessjam, I have not been convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Caylee is no longer alive. The forensics have not been confirmed publicly, they have only been speculated on. Further, the banding on strands of hair carries with it risks of false positives.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[mosey2]

Without a cause of death, their burden is going to be quite difficult for premeditation. They don't have any history of her physically abusing Caylee. The interviews of those that know her indicate she wouldn't intentionally harm Caylee; so they won't have any smoking gun witnesses to support premeditation and those witnesses will actually support something other than first degree.

They may charge her with first degree, however, for strategic purposes.

IMO
Aim for the stars, settle for the moon?

[impartial]

Aim for the stars, settle for the moon?



Bargaining chip.

IMO

[aubrey04]

I wonder what they all talk about inside the Anthony house. That house isn't very big.. According to zillow.com - it is 1,472 sq feet .. 4 bedroom and 2 bath. Nowhere to hide in that house really.. Do they keep up the pretense that Caylee is still alive while talking at dinner or whatever? They're together almost non-stop.. hidden away in that house..

I firmly believe that Cindy and George know Caylee is dead, but I have serious doubts that they share that theory/realization with Casey... I am not even sure if Cindy and George have admitted to one another --- the fact that they know Caylee is dead.. I bet it's extremely uncomfortable living in that house.

JMO

[mosey2]

Bargaining chip.

IMOCool. Do you know if murder1 carries lesser includeds in FL?

[mosey2]

There was no transcript or recording released from Annie was there? If not that says a lot! She must have useful information pertaining to a murder charge. Unless the police let that xanax comment slip through their fingers; which I highly doubt!
They didnt have it highlighted, though. I almost picked up the phone!!

[Heyes]

When I heard them talking about how Lee had missed his calling (talking about him doing his own private investigation) I gagged.

I'm sure he has hurt this investigation and I can add Cindy to that list as well.

Can you imagine someone coming to you, after your grand daughter has been missing for 31 days, returning a bag with a bathing suit and NOT turning that over to police? Not even remembering the person who brought it over, either?

I understand trying to do a little of your own detective work, but what they have done has hindered this investigation. How can LE trust what they say?

They can't and they don't.
Their actions are what keeps us interested. They are just so odd. That interview with cindy had me almost motionless. I have never seen anyone like that. I think had they kept that one guy (the one who grabbed her hands), on her for about 12 more hours she would of broke.
Maybe. :shrug:
After a while she didn't seem to want to break away from him. She liked his attention. She seemed to want human contact. Her hands stayed on his. When she would start to talk he would refocus her and her hands would go back to his. I think he had an edge at that point.

I can't Cindy's video interviews 3 or 4 to play for me. Is it anywhere but channel 13?

[playnice]

I wonder what they all talk about inside the Anthony house. That house isn't very big.. According to zillow.com - it is 1,472 sq feet .. 4 bedroom and 2 bath. Nowhere to hide in that house really.. Do they keep up the pretense that Caylee is still alive while talking at dinner or whatever? They're together almost non-stop.. hidden away in that house..

I firmly believe that Cindy and George know Caylee is dead, but I have serious doubts that they share that theory/realization with Casey... I am not even sure if Cindy and George have admitted to one another --- the fact that they know Caylee is dead.. I bet it's extremely uncomfortable living in that house.

JMO

Add the fear factor of the house is bugged. They cant say alot to each other.

[Rayosunshine]

According to Cindy, Casey's an unfit mother.

According to Casey, Casey's a spiteful b*tch.

The above, coupled with what has been released so far, leads me to conclude... cold blooded murderer.

And, unfortunately the person who stated Casey was an unfit mother didn't do anything about it.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[mosey2]

[QUOTE=?WudScoobyDo;12197652]

OMG the TYPO POLICE ARE OUT!!!!!!!!!!! RUN RUN RUN. :chicken:

CORRECTION. DIPLOMACY

Would you like for all your TYPOS to be posted? Shal I do that for ya?:lol:Rebill iz funy:lol:

[cloe23]

I think to an angel:(


IMO the local garbage men/sanitation company.

[barskin&co.]

I wonder what they all talk about inside the Anthony house. That house isn't very big.. According to zillow.com - it is 1,472 sq feet .. 4 bedroom and 2 bath. Nowhere to hide in that house really.. Do they keep up the pretense that Caylee is still alive while talking at dinner or whatever? They're together almost non-stop.. hidden away in that house..

I firmly believe that Cindy and George know Caylee is dead, but I have serious doubts that they share that theory/realization with Casey... I am not even sure if Cindy and George have admitted to one another --- the fact that they know Caylee is dead.. I bet it's extremely uncomfortable living in that house.

JMO

Man, do I ever agree with that analysis, including that both Cindy and George know Caylee is dead but may not have admitted it to each other. It must be bubbling up just beneath the surface of everything they say or do. Uncomfortable? I would say unimaginably so.

[Rayosunshine]

I honestly don't think the boards opinions represent a cross section of society. I believe most here wouldn't qualify to sit as a juror in a criminal case, just by virtue of the fact that you post here. I remember on the Spector jury questionaire's, one of the questions was "Do you watch court tv; or participate on the message boards?"

imo, of course

Oh well, I guess the defense and prosecution shouldn't have let me sit in on a murder case. But there was no internet at that time.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[True2Blues]

Thank you! What if this Annie person comes forward and says "yes, I supplied Casey with xanax and I know she used it to put Caylee to sleep, so she could go out" It is true if you give someone something to make them sleep and they never wake up...Is that murder?

I would think that drugging a child would be a felony and when a death occurs in the commission of a felony, in most states that qualifies as First Degree Murder.

[barskin&co.]

I believe SamE is a herbal antidepressant or herbal sleep aid. Not an HIV drug. But I could be wrong.


Found this: http://www.drugs.com/npp/same.html

Yes, it is. It is sold over the counter at drugstores everywhere. I've used it, and I don't have HIV...I think :eek:

[mosey2]

I believe SamE is a herbal antidepressant or herbal sleep aid. Not an HIV drug. But I could be wrong.


Found this: http://www.drugs.com/npp/same.html

Herbal sleep aid probably wouldnt kill someone, but in large doses or combined with its (sister)
We need a red phone hot line straight to Yuri, I swear!

[playnice]

Yes, it is. It is sold over the counter at drugstores everywhere. I've used it, and I don't have HIV...I think :eek:

Does it work for depression?

[impartial]

Thank you! What if this Annie person comes forward and says "yes, I supplied Casey with xanax and I know she used it to put Caylee to sleep, so she could go out" It is true if you give someone something to make them sleep and they never wake up...Is that murder?


Not in the first degree. Murder in the first degree requires deliberate, premeditated killing of another ... the intent is for the person to die.

Second degree, probably not ... requires an act that shows an utter lack of regard for human life or reckless disregard for human life ... like brandishing a gun in a crowd of people, the gun goes off, and someone dies.

Over medication, unless the act of over medication is the vehicle by which you want the person to die, is not considered murder. If that were the case, a lot of doctors and pharmacies would be charged with murder ... not uncommon for mistakes in the writing and dispensing of prescriptions.

Intent is what the deciding factor is in any specific intent crime.

IMO

[barskin&co.]

Does it work for depression?

It's an over the counter herbal supplement. Take a guess. :D

[mosey2]

Man, do I ever agree with that analysis, including that both Cindy and George know Caylee is dead but may not have admitted it to each other. It must be bubbling up just beneath the surface of everything they say or do. Uncomfortable? I would say unimaginably so.I think those two are so freaking far out of sinc, they will NEVER reach the fact between the two of them
I can see George coming to terms with it and Cindy screaming "SHE'S NOT DEAD" and Cindy wanting to talk about it but George tuning her out because the woman NEVER stops talking, talking talking

[Rayosunshine]

I must be on ignore on the same ppl that keep bothering me.

No one has responded to me asking them about they're post yesterday.

Who did Casey pass Caylee 'off to'?

TIA

If I were psychic, do you think I would waste my time here?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[playnice]

It's an over the counter herbal supplement. Take a guess. :D

Id say no but you have a big smile.:biggrin:

[impartial]

I would think that drugging a child would be a felony and when a death occurs in the commission of a felony, in most states that qualifies as First Degree Murder.


Not all felonies ... only qualifying felonies.


IMO

[mosey2]

Now who helped you with that?

Merriam?

Webster?
mmmphhHHAAA:lol:

[need2no]

Well ... number one, he was actually offering to cook for her when she brought up her child. Number two, I don't think she had any intention of going to see him. She was toying with him and enjoying what she perceived as her power over him.


and #3 if she was going to get any money out of it she would have found a way to show up...even if she had to leave Caylee in the car.:eek:

#4 he posted about finding out he was not getting some tax check he was expecting until July...went on to say he had $120 in his account and rent and other bills were due.

[5boxersmom]

That is one of the many things that bothers me about this whole situation. The Grandchild that had been living there for almost three years is gone.... How do you continue on? Not knowing where that baby is??? How can these ppl still sleep in that house. I'm just dumb founded.

Yeah, like when Baez came out of the house and said they were having a relaxing dinner at home the night Casey got home from jail the first time. I just don't get it. :shrug:

[mosey2]

It could actually, I am telling you this for your own safety, and not because I believe Casey gave it to Caylee. (She could have but Im not suggesting it.) Herbal drugs need to be used with caution and advice from an herbalist.
Does that mean I need to stop chewing on this Rhodedendron?

[barskin&co.]

I think, she didnt want him but didnt want to lose him either, for what she could get from him if need be. That is blatant "leading a guy on" stuff.

She always liked to have a boyfriend and a few spares. And I say "liked," because I truly believe her boyfriend days are over, except for pen pals, that is.

[Rayosunshine]

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/21%20Computer%20Forensics%20Report.pdf

Who is bobby and who uses an Apple computer?
pg 17

Who is annie and how does she get her xanax?
pg 18


Bobbie, don't know.

Annie is Casey's "best friend" claimed in one interview and not a best friend claimed in another interview. Seems I read in one of the interviews where Annie was described as "best friend" that Annie went with Casey to the tattoo parlor. She might get her xanax from an MD or not.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[playnice]

Do you get internet access in prison?:biggrin:
Grin because its probably a stupid question but I really dont know.

[True2Blues]

Not all felonies ... only qualifying felonies.


IMO


Right, and aggravated child abuse is on the list in Florida.

http://www.defensegroup.com/general.php?category=State+Crimes&subhead=Felonies&headline=Murder

[mosey2]

I know. Right? I was laughing so hard my S/O told me to SHH he was missing important info on HOUSE.

I didn't care and busted out laughing even louder. :lol:

LandShark is awesome and a riot.Your S/O needs TIVO 'cause this take priority

[playnice]

And yet, her girlfriend days are only just beginning. :cool:

If you saw the fusian pics she should adapt easily.

[Pag Boi]

If the opinions on these boards are representative of a cross-section of society, from which the jury will be pooled, Casey's going down.
And thats a fact

Unfortunately, I disagree. The section of society that knows about this case in detail is so minute, you can total them all by viewing a FEW message bds.

It's a fact our country faces problems much more severe than a psychotic mom getting away with murder. It's a fact LE has not conducted a cohesive, comprehensive investigation. The glaring errors in their notes of just dates is startling.

It'sl possible Casey Anthony may never serve another day in jail. :barf: That;s JMOO any way.

[mosey2]

I do, because you need to be informed.
That would make a great tag line Witchy "I'M HERE, BECAUSE YOU NEED TO BE INFORMED!"
I like it

[cloe23]

That is one of the many things that bothers me about this whole situation. The Grandchild that had been living there for almost three years is gone.... How do you continue on? Not knowing where that baby is??? How can these ppl still sleep in that house. I'm just dumb founded.


As well as the suggestion made by both George and Cindy that Casey and Caylee slept together each night. This is a sign imo of comfort for the both of them. How could she rid of her child like this?
If I was head of that household I would not allow any computer in Caseys room. Just TV and Radio. Wake this chick up!

[playnice]

As well as the suggestion made by both George and Cindy that Casey and Caylee slept together each night. This is a sign imo of comfort for the both of them. How could she rid of her child like this?
If I was head of that household I would not allow any computer in Caseys room. Just TV and Radio. Wake this chick up!

Take away the laptop and cell phone and she may talk. I:D know it would work for me.

[True2Blues]

Do you get internet access in prison?:biggrin:
Grin because its probably a stupid question but I really dont know.

Actually it's an important question, because some inmates are allowed limited access, and there are some states that are considering allowing more of them to have it.

[impartial]

Right, and aggravated child abuse is on the list in Florida.

http://www.defensegroup.com/general.php?category=State+Crimes&subhead=Felonies&headline=Murder



Florida's aggravated child abuse statute, section 827.03 :


(2) "Aggravated child abuse" occurs when a person:
(a) Commits aggravated battery on a child;
(b) Willfully tortures, maliciously punishes, or willfully and unlawfully cages a child; or
(c) Knowingly or willfully abuses a child and in so doing causes great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the child.

IMO

[mosey2]

I thought "Bobby" was a log in name used to access the Anthony's home desk-top computer? Wasnt that on the doc that casey made the fake (I'm assuming) memorial for Caylees fake (I'm assuming) dad?:shrug:

[mosey2]

Just so everyone knows... I'm pretty full from the chum I had earlier.

So I won't be digesting the tasty morsel above. :cool:
Saw that pass by, thought it was a shadow of a sailboat

[bluwaters]

And, unfortunately the person who stated Casey was an unfit mother didn't do anything about it.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom
True Isabelle.

That is way beyond my comprehension.
Why did Cindy allow 31 days to go by?
Why do the A's all have such a distrust of LE?
:confused:

[True2Blues]

Take away the laptop and cell phone and she may talk. I:D know it would work for me.


I think it would have to be something more along the lines of forced breast reduction. Something that would affect her ability to get the attention of men (though being known to sleep around can do that) and we all know that can't happen.

[summer4meplz]

So you think, but not everyone agrees with that theory.

ITA with the theory that casey murdered Caylee...

[barskin&co.]

As well as the suggestion made by both George and Cindy that Casey and Caylee slept together each night. This is a sign imo of comfort for the both of them. How could she rid of her child like this?
If I was head of that household I would not allow any computer in Caseys room. Just TV and Radio. Wake this chick up!

Yes, it's that internet access that allowed her to start up a relationship with the 12 year old girl to whom she promised "sleep overs."

[Rayosunshine]

Thank you! What if this Annie person comes forward and says "yes, I supplied Casey with xanax and I know she used it to put Caylee to sleep, so she could go out" It is true if you give someone something to make them sleep and they never wake up...Is that murder?

I think Annie would be in big trouble.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[True2Blues]

County jails have allowed internet access. I need to research more but I believe certain prisons allow it as well depending on the prison and the crime they are in for. :read:

Scary isn't it? All a child molester has to do is log on and they'll still have access to children.

[playnice]

As much as I have been following this case, I believe I could sit on a jury, hear the facts and base my decison souly on the facts presented in a court.

Anyone else think the could do this?

I think I could but I wouldnt want to sit on any jury. esp murder.
It is HUGE that someones life is in your hands and you need to make the right decision .

[barskin&co.]

County jails have allowed internet access. I need to research more but I believe certain prisons allow it as well depending on the prison and the crime they are in for. :read:

I don't believe so. There are a lot of prisoner penpal websites (eek), but imates contact them with snail mail and when services get answers to the mail, they snail mail them to the inmates.

[Pag Boi]

Have you seen the polls on wftv's website?


Do you think Casey Anthony sold her daughter Caylee?
Choice Votes Percentage of 5141 Votes
Yes 656 13%
No 4485 87%


The high-profile Central Florida lawyer, Mark NeJame, who now represents Caylee Anthony's grandparents says they are the victims and people are blurring the lines between the parents, George and Cindy, and their daughter, Casey. Do you agree that Caylee's grandparents are victims?
Choice Votes Percentage of 11702 Votes
Yes 3813 33%
No 7889 67%


Do you think Casey Anthony should have been released from jail?
Choice Votes Percentage of 4073 Votes
Yes 377 9%
No 3696 91%


If you were Casey Anthony's parents, would you bail her out of jail?
Choice Votes Percentage of 8436 Votes
Yes 592 7%
No 7844 93%

http://www.wftv.com/news/17564624/detail.html



Well that is great news for those that follow the case and message boards. Are those voters a decent representative of a "cross-section" of society, aka Casey's peers? I don't think we are. JMOO

I believe that the only segments of society this case is influencing is other criminals and morally or mentally bankrupt deviants. I so wish I had the same confidence that Casey will ever be held fully accountable for her actions. Or lack of them :nono:

[Rayosunshine]

My personal opinion is that you would make a good juror.
:patriot:


I really wouldn't ever want to do it again.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[mosey2]

Thank you and I do not believe that you are saying that in a bad way.

:rose:

2w
LOL! No, I'm truely not:rose:

[playnice]

I don't believe so. There are a lot of prisoner penpal websites (eek), but imates contact them with snail mail and when services get answers to the mail, they snail mail them to the inmates.

We have a local paper that runs them and I like reading them. It cracks me up because most of them say "Will relocate." I laugh and say "I bet you would."

[barskin&co.]

Ahh, according to this, Internet access is not allowed, but some crafty imates may figure a way to get around the restriction.


Inmates use intermediaries to escape to the Internet
By Joe Mandak, The Associated Press
PITTSBURGH — Keith Maydak's jail cells are roomier than most. Must be all that cyberspace.
State and federal prisons don't let inmates use Internet computers behind bars — and the Allegheny County Jail doesn't either. Yet Maydak has answered a reporter's e-mails from the Pittsburgh jail, and later an Ohio lockup, while he awaits sentencing for violating probation on a 900-number phone scam that cost AT&T $550,000 dollars.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2005-05-01-inmates-internet_x.htm

[cloe23]

Take away the laptop and cell phone and she may talk. I:D know it would work for me.

I am so disturbed by all this my DH just said I wasn't being very nice, (to him) LOL. If I were younger I suppose we would be out for a good ole rib eye with all the fixing, instead I am on this site. Geeze. How I got sucked in I will never know. I a not doing anyone any good.
It is Saturday night FGS!

[summer4meplz]

It costs lots of money to search for a "stolen" child!!!! JMO

Caylee wasn't missing in May