Illegals Face Deportation After Calling 911

[Annie143]

This just cracks me up ! They broke the law themselves first but.....they were decieved....:no:

http://www.officer.com/online/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=43410

[Rangerx1]

This does not amuse me.

The should be arrested and deported. But the real issue is crime against illegals - it is skyrocketting exactly because they cannot report that a crime has taken place. It is morally wrong but two wrongs does not make it right.

It is very sad and inhumane.

If they find that he was truely beaten, that needs to be handled at disciplinary action against the officer. Beyond that, what is the issue? I fail to see the deception by the authorities. They should be identifying people here illegally when they can.

[Oldsingledadof3]

This does not amuse me.

The should be arrested and deported. But the real issue is crime against illegals - it is skyrocketting exactly because they cannot report that a crime has taken place. It is morally wrong but two wrongs does not make it right.

It is very sad and inhumane.

Who says they cannot report the crime? Never read anything anywhere that says they are prohibited from picking up the phone and calling the authorities.

The problem here is their fear of being arrested for the crime they, themselves committed by entering the country illegally, for whatever reason. Just because they are a victim of a crime does not waive the fact that they are criminals as well and shouldn't be charged for the crime they committed.

If I go to the corner convenience store and rob it, then on the way home get mugged, does that absolve me of robbing the store?

[Rangerx1]

I did not write about the cops or any deception...so why this response to my post :confused:
I was writing about the issue that illegals cannot call 911 because they will get deported as they would.

My mistake. I mixed part of my reponse with my thoughts on the article.

One question though. Why is it inhumane for the officers to report people that are here illegally? They did not rob these people or force them to enter this country illegally. They did their job that needs to be done of reporting people that are here illegally so that the proper groups can handle them.

[Annie143]

What I meant is that illegals are so frequently victims of crime in this country because the criminals know they will not call 911 or contact the police to press charges since they would get deported.I disagree with this statement. Until recently, police were prevented from questioning the status of anyone regarding immigration status.....that has been touted as one of the things the police were saying might happen with all the new crackdowns and illegals would stop cooperating or reporting crimes.

Please get the facts straight before bleeding all over the board. And why would you comment without even reading the article ?

[Annie143]

Please get the facts straight before bleeding all over the board.I apologize for acting snarky with this statement. I was going to edit it out and got up to attend to something else and let the edit time expire.

[Rangerx1]

Somehow I did not write clearly and I was not even addressing the article which I did not read.

What I meant is that illegals are so frequently victims of crime in this country because the criminals know they will not call 911 or contact the police to press charges since they would get deported.

The inhumane part is that they are victimized many times with no hope for justice. It is the price they pay for being here illegally. Morally I think their situation is inhumane... They live in constant fear of crime - that is one reason they live together in such large groups. I would not put an animal into a place where they have to live in fear.

But I do agree that they should be deported whenever they are found. Most of these illegals are not bad people, they work hard and have no safety nets, sending all leftover money home to Mexico. I feel sorry for them but I also want them to go back home.

I can't understand that we can spend millions or billions because of them being here, or trying to keep them out of here, but we can't figure out a way to help Mexico create more jobs so they would stay home. Many of these people would rather go back if they could make a living and support their families at home.

The world is a wonderful planet but there are too many people, too many cultures, and too many religions. It will only get worse each year. What is amazing to me is that they are not crossing the borders one day by the millions, what would we do then? I live just 70 miles from the border and this thought comes to my mind a few times a year.

Well, they were not put in the situation they are in, they chose it for themselves by breaking the law. That doesn't mean I think it's right. I'll agree, many of them are hard working people and would be more than welcome if they would only come here the right way. They are victimized, but crimes are coming from a segment of society that would victimize all of us for their own gain. I wish there was a way to stop them from preying on all people but I don't see it ever happening as there will always be people that want something for nothing.

My personal opinion on the issue with jobs in Mexico and people being unable to make a living is due to government on both sides of the border. Their government does not want to help it's own people as it's an easier option to push them north to work and then send money home. Our government favors big business that profits off the exploitation of people that come here illegally and work for slave wags with no recourse. In the end, we can't fix their government. On our side, the fix needs to start with cracking down on businesses that are breaking the law themselves and profiting off these people.

[lita456]

What a load.......


These people can't even report a crime being committed in fear of being deported. This was just a burglary, I can't even imagine if there was a murder. How will LE react to that one? Just step over the body and say "well he/she was illegal anyway?"

Unbelievable..................

[Rangerx1]

What a load.......


These people can't even report a crime being committed in fear of being deported.

As with any person that has a crime on their record when they contact LE? Don't break the law in the first place and there would be no fear of contacting the police!!!


This was just a burglary, I can't even imagine if there was a murder. How will LE react to that one? Just step over the body and say "well he/she was illegal anyway?"

Unbelievable..................

Where is it said that the crime would be ignored? Are you saying that if a crime is commited against a person, their crimes should be forgiven? If I steal money from someone and that money is then stolen from me, should I call the police and expect them to get it back for me and forget that I stole beforehand?

[lita456]

As with any person that has a crime on their record when they contact LE? Don't break the law in the first place and there would be no fear of contacting the police!!!




Where is it said that the crime would be ignored? Are you saying that if a crime is commited against a person, their crimes should be forgiven? If I steal money from someone and that money is then stolen from me, should I call the police and expect them to get it back for me and forget that I stole beforehand?



Any criminal (with the exception of crossing the border), yes, should be deported, arrested, what have you. Not people who are actually calling 911, reporting crimes, as all these politicians wanted in the first place from immigrants, and are the ones arrested without searching for the burglars.

It didn't say anything in that article that the burglars were caught and prosecuted so what happened? You tell me...............

[lita456]

Here in Arizona, we find dead, beaten up bodies with no id in the desert, with no reports of such a person being missing. They do get murdered if they do not pay the criminals, who prey on them, for staying in this country.


I believe it. I've seen documentaries on it. I've posted on it; specifically to name one, american citizens who live right on the border who put water tanks on their property so the illegal immigrants aren't dying right in their backyards and you'll have some people (now, y'all know who you are), consistently claim "well, don't cross then", "they shouldn't be crossing, it's illegal", instead of having some sort of sadness that bodies are being found because of what you say, and from hunger and thirst.

[Rangerx1]

Any criminal (with the exception of crossing the border), yes, should be deported, arrested, what have you. Not people who are actually calling 911, reporting crimes, as all these politicians wanted in the first place from immigrants, and are the ones arrested without searching for the burglars.

It didn't say anything in that article that the burglars were caught and prosecuted so what happened? You tell me...............

I'll assume you are refering to illegal immigrants since why would politicians have an issue with legal immigrants? And yes, crossing the border is a crime and they should be deported for doing it.

As far as what happened as you said, it did not say. So I don't assume that any action or inaction as you seem to. As for being caught, how often are burglars caught for home intrusion? Growing up, my parent's house was broken into 5 times that I remember. Reports are taken, but beyond that nothing was ever found. Assuming that nothing was done at all becuase the burglars were not caught and prosecuted is rediculous.

[lita456]

I'll assume you are refering to illegal immigrants since why would politicians have an issue with legal immigrants? And yes, crossing the border is a crime and they should be deported for doing it.

As far as what happened as you said, it did not say. So I don't assume that any action or inaction as you seem to. As for being caught, how often are burglars caught for home intrusion? Growing up, my parent's house was broken into 5 times that I remember. Reports are taken, but beyond that nothing was ever found. Assuming that nothing was done at all becuase the burglars were not caught and prosecuted is rediculous.



I'm sure there would have been some blurb that investigators are still searching for the burglars, if, and that's a big IF, they did anything at all.

So what? So what that your house was broken into 5 times! What are you saying, your immune to the emotions of being robbed? so "let's not call the police" "I mean how many times is a burglar going to get caught"? What kind of attitude is that Ranger????


Holy crap it's worse than I thought.............hammer

[Rangerx1]

This statement of yours here completely misses the issue we are discussing.

The statement is the direct response to Lita implying that LE would dismiss any crime against an illegal immigrant including murder and a comparison of a crime a person being ignored because a crime was commited against them. Yes two thoughts run together in haste, but addressing what had been posted.

[Rangerx1]

I'm sure there would have been some blurb that investigators are still searching for the burglars, if, and that's a big IF, they did anything at all.

So what? So what that your house was broken into 5 times! What are you saying, your immune to the emotions of being robbed? so "let's not call the police" "I mean how many times is a burglar going to get caught"? What kind of attitude is that Ranger????


Holy crap it's worse than I thought.............hammer

Do points typically fly right over your head? You can be sure all you want, but show me where it's proven that crimes against illegals are ignored.

And "So what that your house was broken into 5 times!"? I'm sorry, did I need to be one of your group to have it matter? I was giving an example of what the reality is with LE and the chances that anyone will be found. How about trying to comprehend what you read before making up things that are not there.

[lita456]

Do points typically fly right over your head? You can be sure all you want, but show me where it's proven that crimes against illegals are ignored.

And "So what that your house was broken into 5 times!"? I'm sorry, did I need to be one of your group to have it matter? I was giving an example of what the reality is with LE and the chances that anyone will be found. How about trying to comprehend what you read before making up things that are not there.



You said how often are burglars caught for home intrusion? Then you continued to quote your house was broken into five times technically saying the chances of those burglars who ripped off the illegal immigrants are pretty much nil, so why investigate it but let’s make sure they nail the illegal immigrants.

There’s no comprehension problem. You posted it, I reacted to it.

JMOO

[Rangerx1]

You said how often are burglars caught for home intrusion? Then you continued to quote your house was broken into five times technically saying the chances of those burglars who ripped off the illegal immigrants are pretty much nil, so why investigate it but let’s make sure they nail the illegal immigrants.

There’s no comprehension problem. You posted it, I reacted to it.

JMOO


I gave an example of how burglars are often not found to illustrate that just because they were not found does not mean nothing was done and that is for everyone, not just illegal immigrants. If you want to blame something on that, blame an understaffed LE. I'm sure they'd like to catch everyone, but it's not possible. No where did I say anyone should not report it.

Yes, you reacted... and reacted incorrectly I might add.

[lita456]

I gave an example of how burglars are often not found to illustrate that just because they were not found does not mean nothing was done and that is for everyone, not just illegal immigrants. If you want to blame something on that, blame an understaffed LE. I'm sure they'd like to catch everyone, but it's not possible. No where did I say anyone should not report it.

Yes, you reacted... and reacted incorrectly I might add.


You didn't have to say it. It was implied, in my mind, feel better now?

Either way, LE should have done an investigation on burglars that robbed the place - in fact there was one legal resident in the house and I still didn't see anything that looked like an inkling of an investigation or starting one - ON THE BURGLARS.

Why post something like that at all? Because illegal immigrants called 911? One of them was legal.

I'm sure surrounding neighbors would love to know if an investigation was done, or should they go out and start purchasing rotweilers or pitbulls.

JMOO

[lita456]

Lita,
I agree with a lot of what you have posted but IMO you are wrong here with how you understand ranger's post. The fact is that a lot of crimes like burglaries do not result in the perp being caught. I also do not believe that KNOWN crimes against illegals are being ignored - they have made serious attempts to id the dead murdered Hispanics found in the desert. With illegals being the victims there is less chance of finding the criminals since no one usually wants to testify in these cases (the witnesses are usually illegal as well).


I'm not naive STM. I do know burglars are rarely found, but it doesn't mean an investigation shouldn't be started or closed in one day because of it.

[canUCme?]

Here is a perfect example of what happens when you knowingly commit a crime.
Our neighbors have lived in their house for 11.5 years. The wife speaks no english...husband minimal. They have three children...12, 10, and 1.
They have been cited by code at least 5 times for housing illegals in their basement and garage. It needs to be added that they were collecting money for providing sleeping mat space. They made money off of their "friends". They have continued to use those less fortunate than themselves. They were fined as much as $5000 for each instance.
Anyway, all of a sudden I notice that Mrs. next door is gone. I saw her husband over the fence and he tearfully explains to me that ICE deported her and she had to take the baby with her as he's so small.
He said she had done nothing wrong and he didn't know why the police arrested her. I was horrified!
Anyway, here's the real scoop....as was reported by the police department at our last city council meeting.
There was a "gang" of Mexican Illegals who had started an identity theft program -- a very lucrative program. Seems Mrs. was one of those making money off of selling stolen social security numbers and identities. Also found out that they obtained their mortgage illegally, that Mr. is illegal, and that Mrs.'s brother and sister who are also here are also illegal.
So....she wasn't deported for anything other than being involved in criminal activity. Our city does not deport illegal residents unless they have a CRIMINAL background...being here illegally does not constitute that.
It's a game that's played by many legal minorities to incite and scare those less educated.
The truth is that our government protects them.
Sometimes it takes digging to find the truth.
"C"

[Rangerx1]

You didn't have to say it. It was implied, in my mind, feel better now?

Either way, LE should have done an investigation on burglars that robbed the place - in fact there was one legal resident in the house and I still didn't see anything that looked like an inkling of an investigation or starting one - ON THE BURGLARS.

Why post something like that at all? Because illegal immigrants called 911? One of them was legal.

I'm sure surrounding neighbors would love to know if an investigation was done, or should they go out and start purchasing rotweilers or pitbulls.

JMOO


Again, you don't know that they didn't do an investigation. That's your assumption. As for feeling better, I've always felt fine! I've tried to explain to you that the implications that you seem to see in your mind are false. You seem to continue to have issue with them. If it bothers you that much, why not call the police department there and ask them if an investigation was done?

[lita456]

Here is a perfect example of what happens when you knowingly commit a crime.
Our neighbors have lived in their house for 11.5 years. The wife speaks no english...husband minimal. They have three children...12, 10, and 1.
They have been cited by code at least 5 times for housing illegals in their basement and garage. It needs to be added that they were collecting money for providing sleeping mat space. They made money off of their "friends". They have continued to use those less fortunate than themselves. They were fined as much as $5000 for each instance.
Anyway, all of a sudden I notice that Mrs. next door is gone. I saw her husband over the fence and he tearfully explains to me that ICE deported her and she had to take the baby with her as he's so small.
He said she had done nothing wrong and he didn't know why the police arrested her. I was horrified!
Anyway, here's the real scoop....as was reported by the police department at our last city council meeting.
There was a "gang" of Mexican Illegals who had started an identity theft program -- a very lucrative program. Seems Mrs. was one of those making money off of selling stolen social security numbers and identities. Also found out that they obtained their mortgage illegally, that Mr. is illegal, and that Mrs.'s brother and sister who are also here are also illegal.
So....she wasn't deported for anything other than being involved in criminal activity. Our city does not deport illegal residents unless they have a CRIMINAL background...being here illegally does not constitute that.
It's a game that's played by many legal minorities to incite and scare those less educated.
The truth is that our government protects them.
Sometimes it takes digging to find the truth.
"C"


And Mr. didn’t know anything about this identity theft program? I find that hard to believe. He must have been charged with allowing illegal immigrants to sleep there as well wouldn’t he? How the heck would they obtain a mortgage illegally?

Something smells from this story and it ain’t roses………

JMOO

[lita456]

Again, you don't know that they didn't do an investigation. That's your assumption. As for feeling better, I've always felt fine! I've tried to explain to you that the implications that you seem to see in your mind are false. You seem to continue to have issue with them. If it bothers you that much, why not call the police department there and ask them if an investigation was done?


Listen, I can post my opinion on any given subject at any given time as it’s your opinion to agree or disagree with mine and as usual it’s in disagreement.

Secondly, when officers arrived they mistook one of the illegal immigrants as the burglar! Now why would he do that?

We’ll just have to agree to disagree that’s all.

JMOO

[CookieCutter]

And your story stinks... how could this go on for 11.5 years or even 3 weeks?

Sorry to invade the conversation, I have read here for a while, just decided to start posting.
It could very well go on for a lengthy amount of time. We have neighborhoods where children are beaten to death and neighbors never see or hear anything. Our society has become a "mind your own business" society and no one looks out for their neighbors any more.

[canUCme?]

And Mr. didn’t know anything about this identity theft program? I find that hard to believe. He must have been charged with allowing illegal immigrants to sleep there as well wouldn’t he? How the heck would they obtain a mortgage illegally?

Something smells from this story and it ain’t roses………

JMOO

Of course Mr. knew about what Mrs. was doing. He drives his new Cadillac Escalade all around now that she's gone...that wasn't taken from them. I asked the same question...who's social security number did they use to get that house 11.5 years ago? He was charged via fines for allowing illegals to camp out there....as I said, fines as much as $5,000 per instance.
I write here that the government protects them and that's what they have done in allowing him to stay here. Will he be deported too? Possibly once the investigation into all of those involved is complete. Here's my question...what will happen to the two children who were born here and know no other life?
We have voted in a 287G in our city of 100,000. Since this has been implemented school enrollment has dropped almost 30%. The illegals are packing up and moving north to another town.
Do I think our government cares what I think? They don't.
Do I think that those who enter this country illegally should be concerned about being criminals? Absolutely!
"C"

[canUCme?]

This a perfect example only about neighbors letting things like this happen in their neighborhood. You and your neighbors should have asked the city/cops/sheriff to put an end to this illegal renting practice.

And your story stinks... how could this go on for 11.5 years or even 3 weeks?

I am very sorry you think my story stinks.
And what's even funnier is your remarks about how could we have let that go on!
If you only knew!
I started 10 years ago reporting the situation first to our Alderman, then to our Code Enforcement Department. I went to EVERY city council meeting faithfully. I called our Mayor...I called our Congressman. We finally got together and formed our Neighborhood Watch Program 3.5 years ago---we still faithfully meet ever month.
You are very mis-informed if you think that any of our efforts meant much. You know what we were told over and over and over again? AND I QUOTE: "they have rights...we just can't go barging in there"....etc.
So now you can put all of your snide and unnecessarily accusatory comments somewhere else. You don't know what the heck you're talking about!!!!!
"C"

[CookieCutter]

I am very sorry you think my story stinks.
And what's even funnier is your remarks about how could we have let that go on!
If you only knew!
I started 10 years ago reporting the situation first to our Alderman, then to our Code Enforcement Department. I went to EVERY city council meeting faithfully. I called our Mayor...I called our Congressman. We finally got together and formed our Neighborhood Watch Program 3.5 years ago---we still faithfully meet ever month.
You are very mis-informed if you think that any of our efforts meant much. You know what we were told over and over and over again? AND I QUOTE: "they have rights...we just can't go barging in there"....etc.
So now you can put all of your snide and unnecessarily accusatory comments somewhere else. You don't know what the heck you're talking about!!!!!
"C"


You did everything you could to report the situation and make it known. It is so sad that your local government thought so little of the legal citizens to totally ignore a very real problem in their town.

[Rangerx1]

Listen, I can post my opinion on any given subject at any given time as it’s your opinion to agree or disagree with mine and as usual it’s in disagreement.

Secondly, when officers arrived they mistook one of the illegal immigrants as the burglar! Now why would he do that?

We’ll just have to agree to disagree that’s all.

JMOO

LOL. If you want me to agree, show me why. I see no evidence of what you claim so I can't assume they ignored the burglary.

As for why he was mistaken for a burglar, I can't answer that. But lets go with assuming what happened since it's the thing to do. I'm guessing when they knew they were illegal, they realized it was a bad idea to be there and three tried to hide while the guy that was legal stayed to meet the police. But, one was seen and taken as doing something wrong when he tried to hide.


ps... That was all fictional to prove a point... I don't figure you'll get it Lita, but hey, why not try!

[canUCme?]

You did everything you could to report the situation and make it known. It is so sad that your local government thought so little of the legal citizens to totally ignore a very real problem in their town.
And that's the truth!
Our biggest problem is that we're close to Chicago. Chicago has been declared a 'Safe Haven' by Mayor Daily which has made our lives sheer hell.
There's 38 of us though who keep calling, who keep writing, who keep reporting.
We just recently caused the house across the street from ME to be abandonded....the Fire Department finally helped us out. They went in there to inspect for carbon monoxide and smoke detector adherence...they found 27 people sleeping in a 900 square foot home.
Do you know how many times we reported that to the city? Every Monday via e-mail to the head of our Code Enforcement department, cc'd to our Alderman and Mayor for 2+ years! It took the fire department to finally make it happen.
The owner (legal Mexican) was the only one of the 27 people living there that wasn't here illegally. He was ticketed and fined $10,000 and within 3 days they had moved out. They left like thiefs in the night--no one saw a thing. You should have seen that house...OMG..I was livid! I called and called and called code who insisted that the house wasn't over-crowded because..get this ... the garbage collection was minimal. Guess what they found when they opened the garage door? In a 24x24 foot garage they found TRASH bags full ....24x24 feet across and 4 feet high!
They only took what they wanted from the house--left like their hair was on fire!
We finally won and will continue to do so!~
"C"

[canUCme?]

I am sorry to hear that. There was nothing in the post to indicate you tried anything. 5 fines in 10+ years did not sound like anyone was after them.

I don't know where your town is but here in AZ we have had serious problems with illegals so we have responded with laws. My town has created laws such as no more than 3 unrelated people (legal or illegal) can live in a single family home or unit.

We have elected a tough talking and acting Sheriff Joe Arpaio to take care of our illegal problem. They are leaving Arizona due to the crack-downs the Sheriff is conducting. The CLU does not like him or what he does but they don't count here in AZ, they are just like so much irritating dust. There is a liberal mayor in Mesa, AZ who hates Joe and therefore they are suffering the consequences from their problems with illegals.

Anyone having a problem with crime or illegals should check out Sheriff Joe Arpaio and how he is handling it. The idea of tent city jails to begin with is brilliant.

:patriot: I salute Sheriff Joe Arpaio :patriot:
I follow the news and have read much of what you have written here. We are stuck in a bad spot....we are surrounded by great wealth which attracts the illegal Mexican population who work for them domestically or do their lawn care. However these towns don't deal with the after-math of having these people live with them because there's no affordable housing there for them, so they invade other communities---like the town I live in.
Our 287G is almost done....then all bets are off. Just last night a house across the street and 3 down had their little "Sunday drug selling" party in the middle of the street. We worked with our police department and called one of them on our cell phone...he dispatched the cars there via computer. These punks use a skanner and it's been almost impossible to catch then. All are of Mexican decent...I am told that of the 7 men grabbed, 3 were legal residents from Chicago--the other four were here illegally. We have a huge gang division that isn't playing with these indigents anymore. Criminal activity means immediate deportation activation as soon as we get that 287G through...which should be by next spring hopefully.
Given time I hope we can get to the point that you in your town are at.
I applaud you.
"C"

[lita456]

LOL. If you want me to agree, show me why. I see no evidence of what you claim so I can't assume they ignored the burglary.

As for why he was mistaken for a burglar, I can't answer that. But lets go with assuming what happened since it's the thing to do. I'm guessing when they knew they were illegal, they realized it was a bad idea to be there and three tried to hide while the guy that was legal stayed to meet the police. But, one was seen and taken as doing something wrong when he tried to hide.


ps... That was all fictional to prove a point... I don't figure you'll get it Lita, but hey, why not try!


Boy Ranger, you sure have changed since you came on these boards.

Why not look at the whole picture? See, that's the problem with you anti's, you only see what you want to see as I've stated numerous times.

:punch:

[lita456]

I am very sorry you think my story stinks.
And what's even funnier is your remarks about how could we have let that go on!
If you only knew!
I started 10 years ago reporting the situation first to our Alderman, then to our Code Enforcement Department. I went to EVERY city council meeting faithfully. I called our Mayor...I called our Congressman. We finally got together and formed our Neighborhood Watch Program 3.5 years ago---we still faithfully meet ever month.
You are very mis-informed if you think that any of our efforts meant much. You know what we were told over and over and over again? AND I QUOTE: "they have rights...we just can't go barging in there"....etc.
So now you can put all of your snide and unnecessarily accusatory comments somewhere else. You don't know what the heck you're talking about!!!!!
"C"



If there was any indication of laws being broken, LE would have been in there faster than your head could spin. I'm sorry, I feel your leaving out some important facts to your story; not even sure it's true.

JMOO

[Rangerx1]

Boy Ranger, you sure have changed since you came on these boards.

Why not look at the whole picture? See, that's the problem with you anti's, you only see what you want to see as I've stated numerous times.

:punch:

No change. My feelings on illegal immigration have always been the same. It needs to stop. I welcome anyone that comes to this country by following and respecting our laws. All of them and not just the ones that are convenient. Simple as that.

Lita, your own posts show how you only see what you want to. What reason does canUCme have to make up her story? It happens all the time in the news, but because it's personal experience with the issue you won't believe it? You've also continued to read things into my posts that aren't there and then and then seem to get upset when I tell you what was meant.

But if you really believe there is a big picture that only you are seeing, by all means, explain it.

[canUCme?]

Good luck in your efforts. It can be done but it takes some guts by elected officials not to bend for the ACLUs etc. and the bleeding heart liberals. We have gang problems too in Tempe (ASU), Chandler and Gilbert which I thought were nice clean bedroom communities. But this gangs with drugs stuff is spreading everywhere. That is one reason I would vote for legalizing drugs and spending the money on rehab.

And BTW, all the credit belongs to the great citizens of this state and Maricopa county, who were informed and prepared to vote on issues that are difficult to deal with. I am a permanent resident so I cannot vote and that's been a topic on another thread in this forum.
Thank you for the good luck wishes--we'll get there. Way too many ticked off, honest, LEGAL citizens have had enough of the disrespect and neighborhood trashing that's been going on!
It's our town and our country and we're taking it back!!!!
Kudos to you and your town!
"C"

[lita456]

No change. My feelings on illegal immigration have always been the same. It needs to stop. I welcome anyone that comes to this country by following and respecting our laws. All of them and not just the ones that are convenient. Simple as that.

Lita, your own posts show how you only see what you want to. What reason does canUCme have to make up her story? It happens all the time in the news, but because it's personal experience with the issue you won't believe it? You've also continued to read things into my posts that aren't there and then and then seem to get upset when I tell you what was meant.

But if you really believe there is a big picture that only you are seeing, by all means, explain it.


In my honest opinion, I feel there's more to the story, but hey, it's my opinion and I'm allowed to say so. No, it's true,anti's usually only see what they want to see without hearing out someone's opinion's who stance is difference than theirs. Same ole.

JMOO

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If there was any indication of laws being broken, LE would have been in there faster than your head could spin. I'm sorry, I feel your leaving out some important facts to your story; not even sure it's true.

JMOONot true - LE does not come out "faster than your head could spin" for any report - they're sometimes very difficult to get out, particularly for non-urgent crimes - or as in this case crimes where they'll be likely accused of racial profiling (hmmm - who here always posts about law enforcement against illegals being actually racism?). I've had a few instances in my circle of friends and family where reporting about a drug dealing house took forever and a lot of kicking up a fuss and the like to get LE to do anything.

This is a story that repeats itself all over the USA, a story reported in the media every now and again, a story mentioned in stories sympathetic to immigrants (the usual sob story - "she worked 18 hour days, and shared a room in a small house with 8 migrants) - it's a common thing. It's how illegals work for so much less than a citizen can afford to - they don't work for next to nothing, and somehow manage to pay a regular rent.

But - it's everyone's choice whether to accept, or once again deny one more of the true effects of illegal immigration on American citizens.

[lita456]

Not true - LE does not come out "faster than your head could spin" for any report - they're sometimes very difficult to get out, particularly for non-urgent crimes - or as in this case crimes where they'll be likely accused of racial profiling (hmmm - who here always posts about law enforcement against illegals being actually racism?). I've had a few instances in my circle of friends and family where reporting about a drug dealing house took forever and a lot of kicking up a fuss and the like to get LE to do anything.

This is a story that repeats itself all over the USA, a story reported in the media every now and again, a story mentioned in stories sympathetic to immigrants (the usual sob story - "she worked 18 hour days, and shared a room in a small house with 8 migrants) - it's a common thing. It's how illegals work for so much less than a citizen can afford to - they don't work for next to nothing, and somehow manage to pay a regular rent.

But - it's everyone's choice whether to accept, or once again deny one more of the true effects of illegal immigration on American citizens.


Yeah they work for next to nothing, saving every dime they have trying to live a normal life somehow, and then they get robbed and who do the cops arrest? The people that called 911, and not to mention, one was legal.

Hmmm, let me say, weighing this very carefully, Illegal immigrant vs. robbers - hmmmm, which is worse, hmmmm......................

As I said, I hope the neighbors go out and buy pitbull pooches, at the very least, they'll feel safer with a pitbull while the cops continue their search for illegal immigrants. barf

JMOO

[Rangerx1]

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Hmmm, let me say, weighing this very carefully, Illegal immigrant vs. robbers - hmmmm, which is worse, hmmmm......................



Both broke the law. Both should face the appropriate consequences for their actions. There's the big picture for you to look at!

[lita456]

Lita, you sound as though you have a lot to gain by encouraging illegal immigration. Not cool. Very unethical - to gain at someone else's expense. If illegals were paid what they legally should be paid (if they could legally acquire employment) there would be no need to hire them as plenty of legal citizens would be doing the work! The ONLY reason they are hired is because they'll work so cheap - cheaper then the law demands! Both parties are breaking the law - the employer and the illegals. The only reason someone would encourage this is when they have something to gain. Otherwise, it makes no sense.

Herlock

Obama '08 :patriot:


I have nothing to gain here. Nada. So quit the "unethical" crap.

This is simply a matter of priorities. LE needs to take "LAW ENFORCEMENT 101" all over again, because obviously they're priorities are not straight.

JMOO

[Rangerx1]

I have nothing to gain here. Nada. So quit the "unethical" crap.

This is simply a matter of priorities. LE needs to take "LAW ENFORCEMENT 101" all over again, because obviously they're priorities are not straight.

JMOO

I would think the priorities would be to go after all people that are breaking the law. If a criminal is in front of you, wouldn't it stand to reason to address that first and the others that need to be investigated after??

[lita456]

I would think the priorities would be to go after all people that are breaking the law. If a criminal is in front of you, wouldn't it stand to reason to address that first and the others that need to be investigated after??


That's what I said in my other post; when I said weighing in which is worse - being an illegal immigrant or robber. Address the others after? Crap Ranger, if we waited that long, they'd be long gone with not a chance of being caught.


That's like a police officer saying "well I have a jaywalker right here in front of me", and then uh ho, there goes a speeder doing 80MPH - nah, I'm not going after the speeder, I'm ticketing this jaywalker here because he's standing right in front of me".

:rolleyes::rolleyes: (you get two rolly eyes for that one)

JMOO

[lita456]

I agree with you on this case. If they find illegals (especially after they thought one of the illegals was the burglar) they should arrest and process them while they have them there. If there is evidence to locate the burglar later that can wait until they handcuff the illegals first.

The police can only process crime for which there is evidence. Maybe it would take many hours to find out any evidence that a burglary had taken place. Someone who wanted these illegals deported could have call 911 while there was NO burglary. And a burglary in certain neighborhoods is a low priority, and it's fact that cops do not even go into certain neighboorhoods for their own safety anless something more serious is reported.



Many LE's are biased/racist. Simple as that. They couldn't look beyond that there are actually other people who are robbing illegal immigrants! Gasp! The only thing they had to say was I'm not the burglar, they went thataway. Gimme a break.

WHAT? It takes too much time to process evidence????

Fainted.........

[Rangerx1]

That's what I said in my other post; when I said weighing in which is worse - being an illegal immigrant or robber. Address the others after? Crap Ranger, if we waited that long, they'd be long gone with not a chance of being caught.


That's like a police officer saying "well I have a jaywalker right here in front of me", and then uh ho, there goes a speeder doing 80MPH - nah, I'm not going after the speeder, I'm ticketing this jaywalker here because he's standing right in front of me".

:rolleyes::rolleyes: (you get two rolly eyes for that one)

JMOO


That long? The illegals were right there! And it's not as if the burglars were within visual range to chase. Tell me. If you walk into a house that has been burglarized, can you turn right around and go after those criminals? Or does evidence need to be found to even have a clue who to go after?

It's not a case of which is worse, it's a case of 2 separate crimes have been commited. One can be handled immiately while the other will need to be investigated to have any chance to look into. I guess the burglars should have been standing there waiting for the cops?

It's OK though Lita. The more you continue to spew things like this the more your credibility on the issue drops. So keep going all you want!

[Rangerx1]

RX1, I agree. I think this article was newsworthy ONLY because it pointed out the situation in which the illegals find themselves in if they call 911. JMO

Exactly. Otherwise, the burglary by itself would have been little more than a couple sentences buried in the local paper.

[canUCme?]

If there was any indication of laws being broken, LE would have been in there faster than your head could spin. I'm sorry, I feel your leaving out some important facts to your story; not even sure it's true.

JMOO
I don't know where you live but I only wish you were right (which you aren't) and they WOULD have been in there faster than your head could spin.
No facts left out....no reason to do so. Perhaps the facts don't please you but they didn' please us either.
I live with this situation every day of my life and really don't care if you believe me or not.
We will continue to force these people out....it may take time but we'll get our neighborhood back. It's already getting there!
Nothing worth having ever came easy.
"C"

[LisaM22]

This just cracks me up ! They broke the law themselves first but.....they were decieved....:no:

http://www.officer.com/online/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=43410

if your here illegally, you run the risk of getting caught, be the same as a criminal on the run from the law - it's a risk some are willing to take - jmho

[Annie143]

just a small note here......canucme, I think I love you. YOu go, girl !:)

[lita456]

That long? The illegals were right there! And it's not as if the burglars were within visual range to chase. Tell me. If you walk into a house that has been burglarized, can you turn right around and go after those criminals? Or does evidence need to be found to even have a clue who to go after?

It's not a case of which is worse, it's a case of 2 separate crimes have been commited. One can be handled immiately while the other will need to be investigated to have any chance to look into. I guess the burglars should have been standing there waiting for the cops?

It's OK though Lita. The more you continue to spew things like this the more your credibility on the issue drops. So keep going all you want!


Visual range??? What??? They did nothing!!! They did no investigation whatsoever! Sure, why not? The legal guy called it in, police come, take their notes, let's go and look for these guys with the descriptions the hispanic gave. Why not look? They didn't even do that.

I don't care what you think about my credibility Ranger. It's ok, just sit here in your little group and sing kumbayah after every "illegal immigrant self deported" article comes out.

:rolleyes:

JMOO

[Rangerx1]

Visual range??? What??? They did nothing!!! They did no investigation whatsoever! Sure, why not? The legal guy called it in, police come, take their notes, let's go and look for these guys with the descriptions the hispanic gave. Why not look? They didn't even do that.

I don't care what you think about my credibility Ranger. It's ok, just sit here in your little group and sing kumbayah after every "illegal immigrant self deported" article comes out.

:rolleyes:

JMOO


None whatsoever? Is there further information that you've found? Please share as I've seen nothing stating that they did not investigation whatsoever!! Or maybe you were there to know the facts so well?

And now we're a little group. Can we be a posse again? As for what I do whenver an illegal is sent home, that's simple. I wave good-bye!!

[Rangerx1]

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1230095.html

Search warrants indicate that at least one of the suspects who broke into the Terry Lane house Segura-Rios shared with his brother and two other men was asked whether the motive for the robbery was to recover more than $200,000 from a cocaine deal. The warrant does not say why the investigators think the robbery was drug-related.

A little more complete information on the incident. Oh, and seems suspects were being questioned about the burglary that the local officers ".. did no investigation whatsoever".

[canUCme?]

An update:
Talk about having to keep your eyes open constantly and trusting no one...this proves much of that to be 100% true.
The house across the street from us (which I have discussed before) was abandonded and foreclosed.
It was put on the market without anyone on our street knowing it--no for sale signs, no bank auction signs, no open house signs, nothing.
We all of a sudden see three ratty old vans pull up in front of this house. Out of one van gets a single man. Out of another van comes a family of 8 -- 6 kids and two adults, Out of the third van comes an elderly couple.
They go into the house and come out about 15 minutes later. This is a 900 square foot ranch....2.5 bedrooms and 1 bathroom.
I call my Alderman who tells me he'll get back to me.
Three days later and many LARGE families later, he calls me back. Apparently the house was bought by a local real estate agent and was being sold through word of mouth by this same person.
I saw it happening again a few days later. I called this real estate agent. He claims he's having open houses.
I asked him why have there been no signs so that ALL races can go through that house, not just Mexicans?
Anyway, it took me calling everyone I could think of and threatening this real estate agent with going to the television stations before he admitted that he had pidgeon holed this house to a group of people he knew would buy it as is for what he wanted.
He also then admitted that the first family of 8 had bought it and a contract was pending.
We immediately contacted the building department and WE demanded an inspection and listing as is proper of how many people could LEGALLY live in this house. It came back as 4 people..2 adults and 2 children-- anymore is illegal and they'd be prohibited and fined.
When our Alderman called me Friday to tell me that the deal was null and void because of all our actions I did the happy dance!
This will continue until our 287G goes through no doubt. Luckily all of us are willing to do the extra work to make sure the illegals don't move in there again. Also interesting was that the person who helped our Alderman said that Grandma and Grandpa had full intention of moving in there too....as did a cousin and his wife and 2 kids. See how people finally come clean when they're backed up against a wall.
It's like my Alderman said ... 4 people turns into 14 if you don't watch them constantly. He's right!~
"C"

[canUCme?]

"Just a burglary", well imo they should get the info from these illegals about the burglary and then deport them after serving time for giving false info.
If these illegal citizens had any criminal background at all, they would be immediately arrested too under the 287G Guidelines. That's the point of having a 287G in place.
Being here illegal is just that...illegal. I.E. a crime.
"C"

[lita456]

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1230095.html



A little more complete information on the incident. Oh, and seems suspects were being questioned about the burglary that the local officers ".. did no investigation whatsoever".


Yeah let's believe the guy who was robbing the place. Incompetent.


JMOO

[Rangerx1]

Yeah let's believe the guy who was robbing the place. Incompetent.


JMOO

So now it's incompetent to question suspects? Or is it that there's still no investigation that turned up these suspects?

[lita456]

Hi Lita456,
Please calm down, I can feel your concern and I do not think the llegals' situation is fair either. But I did not get the impression from the article that cops never investigated.

This was the unfortunate unintended consequence because they came to this country illegally. And we don't have enough LE for serious crimes so this would definitely have low priority even if they people were legal. A burglar usually sits a few days in jail if that even because the prison system is overcrowded with more serious criminals.

Just think is it fair that Casey is free while her baby girl is missing? Is the police doing everything they can to find the girl? Would they look this hard if Casey was an illegal but the baby was a citizen? I mean the world just is not fair and if people put themselves willingly into a position where they are vulnerable then I have less sympathy for them when they become a victim. Like people missing after IKE. Were they not told to evacuate and if they did not then it was their own fault if they got killed in the storm. Life is too complicated to make it worse by doing the wrong things.

No, their situation is not fair, especially for the group I support, who have been here for years and have paid to the system and deserve a path to legalization with stipulations.

There shouldn’t be consequences no matter who you are. Are you telling me if a citizen and an illegal were both shot in the street, that LE would immediately try to help the citizen? (Hypothetical that they know their status in the country.).

I think that witch (casey) should be throw in the freaking slammer! What’s up with FL and its guidelines??? People have been arrested with far less circumstantial evidence. I’m appalled how they’ve handled this case while that poor little girl is out there decomposing and really needs to be found. I have no clue if they would look harder if Casey was an illegal – is Zanny legal? Zanny is suing Casey for basically ruining her life by implicating her in her daughter’s disappearance. Was Zanny an easier way out because she’s Hispanic, and possibly illegal?

[Rangerx1]

Immigrants deserve and do get a path. It's the same path that so many others follow, but too many decide they will not and come here illegally.

[Annie143]

Was Zanny an easier way out because she’s Hispanic, and possibly illegal? No. There are several explanations put forward but definitely not that harebrained idea.

And, the mother said that was not the Zanny when shown a picture of this woman. She is looking for a handout, IMO, and so does most everyone else. She hasnt really been harmed in any way, contrary to what she is saying.

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

No, their situation is not fair, especially for the group I support, who have been here for years and have paid to the system and deserve a path to legalization with stipulations.

There shouldn’t be consequences no matter who you are. Are you telling me if a citizen and an illegal were both shot in the street, that LE would immediately try to help the citizen? (Hypothetical that they know their status in the country.).

I think that witch (casey) should be throw in the freaking slammer! What’s up with FL and its guidelines??? People have been arrested with far less circumstantial evidence. I’m appalled how they’ve handled this case while that poor little girl is out there decomposing and really needs to be found. I have no clue if they would look harder if Casey was an illegal – is Zanny legal? Zanny is suing Casey for basically ruining her life by implicating her in her daughter’s disappearance. Was Zanny an easier way out because she’s Hispanic, and possibly illegal?



You have accused others, even police officers, of being racist and biased, but here you are wanting to treat this group that you support different than everyone else by allowing them to break the law when no one else gets away with breaking the law, not even citizens. I dont know about you but in my opinion that seems like a form of racism to me.

[lita456]

You have accused others, even police officers, of being racist and biased, but here you are wanting to treat this group that you support different than everyone else by allowing them to break the law when no one else gets away with breaking the law, not even citizens. I dont know about you but in my opinion that seems like a form of racism to me.


I have accused when I see or read about it and it's right in your face Ovr! I have provided links, time after time after time.....alas, they are no good for you and your anti group.

The people I support, DO deserve some sort of path to legalization as I've said hundreds of times. There's a big difference in illegal immigrants who have been here for a long time, who have followed the rules, have paid their dues to illegal immigrants who are jumping the border for a quick buck, who murder people without blinking an eye.

I'm racist???? HA! Now, I've heard everything.........your ridiculous.


JMOO

[lita456]

I really feel sorry for the illegals in this type of situation. Just like I feel sorry for an animal running across the road and getting killed. It had been safe had it listened to the "laws" of nature. I see very often now that animals realize a road exists and they don't just fly across, but wait or turn back....

In a civil society, doing something illegal must have its consquences or else this would be total chaos if everyone would get away with doing illegal things.

Especially after 9/11 ANY illegal can be a potential terrorist and they all need to leave. No ifs ands or buts. Sorry , but they gotta go back home. And too many illegals are into crime and murder etc so these bad people are giving all the illegals a bad name. They need to apply thru the system so that their backgrounds are checked, just like all immigrants had to do, myself included.

In Arizona laws are now taken seriously and businesses are no longer hiring illegals due to heavy penalties. Many illegals are moving from AZ to TX. So it's still a problem, it has just moved elsewhere.


But it's ok to let hundreds of Iraqi's move in? Where suicide bombers run rampant? Who has a better chance of being connected to Al-queda? Who possibly have closer ties to terrorist organizations than the Juan's and Julio's from Mexico?

OMG.

JMOO

[CookieCutter]

I have accused when I see or read about it and it's right in your face Ovr! I have provided links, time after time after time.....alas, they are no good for you and your anti group.

The people I support, DO deserve some sort of path to legalization as I've said hundreds of times. There's a big difference in illegal immigrants who have been here for a long time, who have followed the rules, have paid their dues to illegal immigrants who are jumping the border for a quick buck, who murder people without blinking an eye.

I'm racist???? HA! Now, I've heard everything.........your ridiculous.


JMOO


They have a path. They choose to take the easy illegal way instead of waiting in line and doing things the right way.
I have no sympathy if they get deported.

[lita456]

They have a path. They choose to take the easy illegal way instead of waiting in line and doing things the right way.
I have no sympathy if they get deported.


When your life is here, and your family is here, and they have already crossed the border many years ago, any may have gotten caught, did you know, if caught, they will never allow you legalization here in the US?

So tell me, how do you expect them to get around that little problemo?

JMOO

[OvrAndOvrAgn]

I have accused when I see or read about it and it's right in your face Ovr! I have provided links, time after time after time.....alas, they are no good for you and your anti group.

The people I support, DO deserve some sort of path to legalization as I've said hundreds of times. There's a big difference in illegal immigrants who have been here for a long time, who have followed the rules, have paid their dues to illegal immigrants who are jumping the border for a quick buck, who murder people without blinking an eye.

I'm racist???? HA! Now, I've heard everything.........your ridiculous.


JMOO

When you want to give special privileges to one group of people that the rest of us dont get (by allowing them to break the law) I say that is a form of racism. So Ha! Now you heard it again.

[CookieCutter]

When your life is here, and your family is here, and they have already crossed the border many years ago, any may have gotten caught, did you know, if caught, they will never allow you legalization here in the US?

So tell me, how do you expect them to get around that little problemo?

JMOO

Well, I would suggest they sneak back across the border, and get in line. If they don't want to be caught abd barred from ever returning (what a joke, since we know many just sneak right back in after being caught) then they should get on the ball and start trying to make things right.

[Rangerx1]

When your life is here, and your family is here, and they have already crossed the border many years ago, any may have gotten caught, did you know, if caught, they will never allow you legalization here in the US?

So tell me, how do you expect them to get around that little problemo?

JMOO

Their little "problemo" is all their own making. They put themselves in the situation you describe when they came here illegally. Time does not make it right. It actually comes down to a fairly simple question. Did they break the law?

[Carol25]

When your life is here, and your family is here, and they have already crossed the border many years ago, any may have gotten caught, did you know, if caught, they will never allow you legalization here in the US?

So tell me, how do you expect them to get around that little problemo?

JMOO
lita, it's a problem of foresight. If they had thought about the future, it should have dawned on them that "Gee, if we are lucky enough not to be caught and establish ourselves here with a home and plenty, what happens if we get caught then?" Perhaps they would have had reservations if the would have realized they would lose everything they had worked for!!

Alas, if they had just taken the time to wait their turn and do it legally!! Now, after 20 years of working hard and seeing success, they will have nothing. Because they cheated. Because they lied. Because they broke the law. Now they pay.

If only they had waited the 7 years or so, they would be well on their way to the successes and have so much more without the worry and have the security of the future.

But you will not acknowledge that and I have no idea why. You don't want people to live in a peaceful existence within the law with a decent wage as an accepted citizen. There just no reason why. While they wait they can try to make a difference within their own country. But instead they choose to run like rats as if it is a sinking ship instead of looking for answers.