Weekend thread 9/27-9/28

[callmetree]

:seeya: morning all. hope it's ok to continue our discussion of the trial here. also hope you all have a great weekend.

[RGG]

Morning hiitsme - the prosecution did very well with their star witness! The transcript told it like it is!

http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/media/Riccio_Transcripts/McClinton%20transcript.pdf

[callmetree]

Morning hiitsme - the prosecution did very well with their star witness! The transcript told it like it is!

http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/media/Riccio_Transcripts/McClinton%20transcript.pdf

i totally agree with you.:seeya:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Morning hiitsme - the prosecution did very well with their star witness! The transcript told it like it is!

http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/media/Riccio_Transcripts/McClinton%20transcript.pdf


Wow..TYVm..Quite the reading RGG..I just wonder what Yale or Grasso can do with this?..If McClinton just told the story, they could just poo poo that and say it was self-serving..and that he would say anything to get a deal..But with that tape..hmmmm It is quite clear that there was a gun and OJ not only knew about it..but asked for there to be heat..then one more step he (OJ) even admitts asking CJ to bring abunch of big guys to look menacing..Sooo, Riccio did not arrange for this posse and firearms..his role was to get the sellers there under false pretense..Wow..McClinton's story is right on, and corroberated by OJ himself..

LMS;)

[Wok Inn]

Okay, so I haven't been following this case much, I'll admit it. I understand that if OJ is convicted in this case, he could be sentenced to life in prison? I can't stand the jerk, but isn't that a bit harsh considering there weren't any injuries during this heist? I just wonder if he's being punished for the murders a teensy bit in this case? He didn't even bring the gun, so I just don't get it.

Any thoughts? (Please don't get mad at me since I dont know much about this case.)

JMO

[JBL]

Okay, so I haven't been following this case much, I'll admit it. I understand that if OJ is convicted in this case, he could be sentenced to life in prison? I can't stand the jerk, but isn't that a bit harsh considering there weren't any injuries during this heist? I just wonder if he's being punished for the murders a teensy bit in this case? He didn't even bring the gun, so I just don't get it.

Any thoughts? (Please don't get mad at me since I dont know much about this case.)

JMO

Life in prison is the maximum these sentences carry. I doubt even if guilty that will be imposed. The jury doesn't make the sentence just guilty or not guilty.

Maximum sentences are supposed to deter criminals that that is out there. If any one thinks these sentences carry to high of a sentence then write the legislature, senators what ever. This has nothing to do with because it's OJ. It's what the charges carry. These are NOT special OJ sentences.

[JBL]

To answer your question. NO not to harsh. If I was being robbed - intimidated what ever I would want to see the criminal sentenced to the max. I'd never insult a victim of a crime and say yea it was wrong but arn't you being to "harsh" on that guy that pulled a gun on you to intimidate you.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Okay, so I haven't been following this case much, I'll admit it. I understand that if OJ is convicted in this case, he could be sentenced to life in prison? I can't stand the jerk, but isn't that a bit harsh considering there weren't any injuries during this heist? I just wonder if he's being punished for the murders a teensy bit in this case? He didn't even bring the gun, so I just don't get it.

Any thoughts? (Please don't get mad at me since I dont know much about this case.)

JMO

I think you can feel just they way you wish..but if you read that transcript and hear the tape..you will get the sense of just who the real OJ is..He is so arrogant feels so entitled that he can do whatever he wants..He's like that big bully at school..who claims his rights, but disregads everybody's elses rights. Life in prison for OJ is not like life in prison for a younger person..For OJ that term could be as little as 10 years..

You are right, there by the grace of God no one got physically hurt, although Fromong had a heart attack..and could have died. What this case actually showcases is OJ's obsession of screwing the Civil Judgement and by extension the Goldmans and the Browns..He vowed to never work again, but stoops to devious, under the table association with low lives to feed his ego and his coffers with income tax free..and freebies given instead of a paycheck. When those benefits fail..he creates alternates, corporations under other's names, his lawyers legally stonewall claims against him, giving him time to bob and weave to play the shell game..

Regardless of his past deeds mid '90's He needs to pay his dues for his horrible behavior in this case..His mindset, his attitude is disgusting in my estimation, and I for one dont admire him, feel sorry for him nor believe he is a victim!

LMS

[RGG]

OJ would never make 10 yrs in prison; that life would kill him.

I'm reading the interviews (long reading and 2 transcripts) and Beardsley is really wanting OJ to burn in prison. Fromong tells about helping to set up off-shore bank accounts to hide OJ's money and other stuff so the Goldman's couldn't get it.

Both Beardsley and Fromong say this stuff was Gilberts and this was payment since OJ wouldn't/couldn't pay Gilbert - that's a back and forth story. In other places it's said it was to be hidden from the Goldmans.

Fromong is also upset because he's supposed to be meeting up with his girlfriend and he's leaving his wife in Oregon and heading to Boston with his new squeeze.

LOL - Fromong<--hammer

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Does anyone else here believe that this armed robbery case is just the beginning of OJ's problems?..For example all the people that have assisted OJ in his quest to hide funds and property from seizure to satisfy his civil judgement, no doubt will give it up to save their own skins, so I can visualize even his Attny's over the years could possibly be implicated..

I think his whole life is now going to unravel..and those that helped him could be directly effected...HUMMM?

LMS:eek:

[JBL]

I think you can feel just they way you wish..but if you read that transcript and hear the tape..you will get the sense of just who the real OJ is..He is so arrogant feels so entitled that he can do whatever he wants..He's like that big bully at school..who claims his rights, but disregads everybody's elses rights. Life in prison for OJ is not like life in prison for a younger person..For OJ that term could be as little as 10 years..

You are right, there by the grace of God no one got physically hurt, although Fromong had a heart attack..and could have died. What this case actually showcases is OJ's obsession of screwing the Civil Judgement and by extension the Goldmans and the Browns..He vowed to never work again, but stoops to devious, under the table association with low lives to feed his ego and his coffers with income tax free..and freebies given instead of a paycheck. When those benefits fail..he creates alternates, corporations under other's names, his lawyers legally stonewall claims against him, giving him time to bob and weave to play the shell game..

Regardless of his past deeds mid '90's He needs to pay his dues for his horrible behavior in this case..His mindset, his attitude is disgusting in my estimation, and I for one dont admire him, feel sorry for him nor believe he is a victim!

LMS

You bring up some excellent points and it goes to show the double standard when it comes to OJ.

Anyone and Everyone makes/hears OJ jokes. The LE on tape definately have no sympathy for OJ - SO FREAKING WHAT. They didn't frame him and set him up. They're laughing while collectiing evidence against the putz.

Yet OJ's thumbing his nose to the justice system and the Goldmans is supposed to be overlooked. I'd like to ask Grasso what's the freaking difference between what your "client" is doing and other people be it LE or someone on the golf course expressing their disgust with the phenomonom known as OJ.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

What really bothers me is the OJ supporters equate his plight along side those who have been truly victimized..OJ is no Victim, as he is the "Victimizer" on two legs!! To use him as a poster child to demonstrate this does injustice to those who really deserve sympathy and support. OJ underminds social attitudes to help those with true biases or prejudices..I would respectfully request a more suitable and apropriate "Role Model"! If for
no other reason, than to bring integrity back in focus for those issues!!

LMShammer

[JBL]

Does anyone else here believe that this armed robbery case is just the beginning of OJ's problems?..For example all the people that have assisted OJ in his quest to hide funds and property from seizure to satisfy his civil judgement, no doubt will give it up to save their own skins, so I can visualize even his Attny's over the years could possibly be implicated..

I think his whole life is now going to unravel..and those that helped him could be directly effected...HUMMM?

LMS:eek:


The only thing they have is accusations and you can bet now that they have a place to start they will sieve thru it. If they find the trail and can prove it they will prosecute.

Everyone pretty much thought this anyways - just another confirmation that it had been done and now they know who some of the players who took part are.

[JBL]

I doubt it. I don't think OJ's life in prison will be as hard on him as some people think. He'll be among peers and enjoy their adulation. He won't lack access to drugs, I'm sure.
And as to those who have helped him: apparently they are not concerned about being prosecuted. They write books.... ie: Mike Gilbert isn't under indictment is he?

" He'll be among peers "

:lol:

After all he is very affable ROFL!

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I doubt it. I don't think OJ's life in prison will be as hard on him as some people think. He'll be among peers and enjoy their adulation. He won't lack access to drugs, I'm sure.
And as to those who have helped him: apparently they are not concerned about being prosecuted. They write books.... ie: Mike Gilbert isn't under indictment is he?

Snow...LOL...One step at a time...OJ in prison may feed his ego by getting adulations from fellow inmates..but at least he cant do more harm to the free law abiding citizens..and who knows, save someone's life????As to his village people to hide stuff..I think they will cooperate now to locate assets IF THEY know whats good for them!! I for one will rest easy when the civil judgement begins to get paid..I for one believe the Goldman's and the Browns will rest easier knowing his influence on Justice and Sydney will be gone..and the money will go to helping others..not feeding his sicko lifestyle..In jail he will have no control any more..he can just exist ..and I dont really care!!

LMS:seeya:

[RGG]

If OJ goes to prison who do you consider a guardian of the children's monies? Justin won't be 21 until next August. I've no idea if they're in college or working. Any ideas on them?:rolleyes:

[JBL]

What really bothers me is the OJ supporters equate his plight along side those who have been truly victimized..OJ is no Victim, as he is the "Victimizer" on two legs!! To use him as a poster child to demonstrate this does injustice to those who really deserve sympathy and support. OJ underminds social attitudes to help those with true biases or prejudices..I would respectfully request a more suitable and apropriate "Role Model"! If for
no other reason, than to bring integrity back in focus for those issues!!

LMShammer


ITA! This GET OJ mentality is a PR stunt that promotes racial lines which is the only defense OJ can come up with. Amazing how he can spin anything around to become the victim.

[RGG]

There's nothing I could find on Fromong and his wife or girlfriend. Maybe something will turn up. You're correct snowbird, with all the stress of this case and his wife learning about his LAS troubles, it just could have triggered the attacks.

[JBL]

If OJ goes to prison who do you consider a guardian of the children's monies? Justin won't be 21 until next August. I've no idea if they're in college or working. Any ideas on them?:rolleyes:


I was thinking about that. LOL. OJ's 'heirs' and Girlfriend will each try to put their mitts on whatever they "believe" they have coming as they will all expect to lead the same lifestyle or better. I expect some fights, arrests, hospitalizations to come out of this sure to happen saga.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

If OJ goes to prison who do you consider a guardian of the children's monies? Justin won't be 21 until next August. I've no idea if they're in college or working. Any ideas on them?:rolleyes:

RGG..You're the link guru!!..but I will try to find something..but I do recall the Brown's trying to get custody way back when, and do believe they will be that guardian until they become of legal age.I can only hope these to kids havent been influenced so negatively, Yiks..I pray..I dont believe his adult children have made their mark in this world either..they learned from the master ..symbiotic relationships to survive...

So Im of to do some sleuthing..LOL

LMS:seeya:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Here's some links to Nicole's childrens history since their mom's murder!1

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20150372,00.html
"Surviving their mother's murder' June 21/04

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,615441,00.html
Custody Battle for kids April 1999

Well it does seem those two kids have been pulled and tugged for years since their mother died..I for one would lke to find a detailed timeline of just where they lived and who was nurturing them since 1995..hummm

LMS

Sorry, so far havent found anything current of just what they are up to..

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I hope you are right. :beer:

I really hope that the family will be able to help out OJ's 1st wife a little. I mean it makes me sad that she works at Walmart! I'm sure she was as battered and ill used as any other woman in his life, and OJ abandoned her and wouldn't help her. I know she made a bad choice in life, hooking up with OJ, but she was young and didn't know then what we know now.

I think it is going to just kill OJ not to be able to control all these things in his life..and given the recent altercation with Arnell and OJ's main squeeze..I think Arnell just may get some much needed financial aid to her momma..I think OJ will hit the roof!..I cannot believe that his pension income wouldnt be more appropriately spent without OJ's control..as I said, I think what's happening now to OJ is only the beginning of fireworks where his assets and property are concerned..and the "Village People" will have to grow up and be responsible..or lose everything they have..Yale and his biased advocacy of his evil client..is going to rub off on him..I think his future clients are going to be limited to really bad dudes who fit a similar profile to OJ..

LMS:biggrin:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

OhhhLaaLaa..Just found an interesting intervew that OJ did with Katie Courcic..Oj was accompanied by Yale Galanter..Hummmm

Discussion is about Sydney and Justin among others things..There is actuay a quote OJ makes about the death of his mother..He actually cant remember the date..He didnt feel it was significant??Yiks Anyway here's the link..read away..LOL


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5137198/

I have addid the continued story incase you have difficulty locating..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5137198/#storyContinued


LMS:read:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I just found some links to Yale Galanter..3 so far..It seems he is best known for his "Mouth" as his credntials lists only Talk Show Gigs and the list of High Profie Defendents he has spoken about..I saw not one case outside of OJ's ..He has been in Criminal Law for 20 years..and has been invloced with OJ for over 8 years..and it seems OJ keeps him so busy he doesnt have any other clients...LOL

Wonder why he would put all his eggs in one basket..especially a basket that he claims is empty..Just how does he pay his bils!!??

LMShammer

[Lqqkout]

Well, as we say in Red Sox Nation "It ain't over til the fat lady sings."

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Yales represnted OJ in the Road Rage case..then something I didnt know about..OJ 's house had been raided for drugs..Wonder how that could happen??Targetted??HUM???given what we know now..not so far fetched to think that druggs were actually possible in that house??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale_Galanter

Galanter first represented Simpson in a road rage trial in October 2001. He was also Simpson's attorney for the federal drug raid case on Simpson's home in 2001, a speeding ticket in 2002, a domestic violence call to his residence in 2003, and his writing of a fictional account of the murders of his former wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend, Ronald Goldman, called If I Did It.

LMS:read:

[Lqqkout]

Did anyone see yesterday where a man disciplined his 5 and 6 yrs olds with shock collars? He got probation. Now THAT is a travesty of justice!

[RGG]

I just found some links to Yale Galanter..3 so far..It seems he is best known for his "Mouth" as his credntials lists only Talk Show Gigs and the list of High Profie Defendents he has spoken about..I saw not one case outside of OJ's ..He has been in Criminal Law for 20 years..and has been invloced with OJ for over 8 years..and it seems OJ keeps him so busy he doesnt have any other clients...LOL

Wonder why he would put all his eggs in one basket..especially a basket that he claims is empty..Just how does he pay his bils!!??

LMShammer

His pension is either 22k or 25k per month - depends on who's telling the amount - and then he has all the off-shore accounts that were set up for him. I'm sure he has plenty of loot. There's the betting at the golf courses, and no, I don't know his handicap *G*.

I need to look up Galanter's public information. :)

[Lyndawitha"Y]

His pension is either 22k or 25k per month - depends on who's telling the amount - and then he has all the off-shore accounts that were set up for him. I'm sure he has plenty of loot. There's the betting at the golf courses, and no, I don't know his handicap *G*.

I need to look up Galanter's public information. :)

Yiks..Even with what you suggest as 22-25K/monthly is over 250% of my income..and I live fairly comfortably..Course I dont gamble, smooze with party goers, partake in drugs, or travel!! I have to wonder why he ever stole Satelite Feed from Direct???Cause he could??What a weeny, scam-man to the end!! Golf Green Fees are mostly paid by others, you know "Tit for Tat" mentality..and I'll wager that even his drug dealer would give him his supply just for the publicity for other users ..but just know if they get caught, they'd roll over so fast on OJ your head would spin!!..

Man oh Man..I really dont think that the total picture of OJ's lifestyle can be even fantasized about..at least not by normal human beings!!

LMS:eek:

[RGG]

Apparently his house was searched because his name had been mentioned by some dealers (probably just wannabe groupies) and no drugs were found at his home. However that is when he got busted for stealing cable signal. I think the cable company got him for about $30,000 or something.

On the same day of the DirectTv verdict his mortgage company demanded payment on the house - it looked like all of it because it was
$675,000.00 (rounded the up). I believe the mtg co. was worried more stuff would be happening.:shrug:

[JBL]

Hey Ann,
Jackets beat Predators 4-3. <------- ^5 I think LOL!

Yes did miss a good one. I don't know if you were able to record yesterdays low down but ktla has a few recordings. In particular the jailhouse recording from OJ to Prody (who wasn't there instead Arnelle was the reciever.)

http://www.ktla.com/ojsimpson

[vonna]

Does anyone else here believe that this armed robbery case is just the beginning of OJ's problems?..For example all the people that have assisted OJ in his quest to hide funds and property from seizure to satisfy his civil judgement, no doubt will give it up to save their own skins, so I can visualize even his Attny's over the years could possibly be implicated..

I think his whole life is now going to unravel..and those that helped him could be directly effected...HUMMM?

LMS:eek:

That's what should happen. I believe it's called "Poetic Justice."

[Lyndawitha"Y]

On the same day of the DirectTv verdict his mortgage company demanded payment on the house - it looked like all of it because it was
$675,000.00 (rounded the up). I believe the mtg co. was worried more stuff would be happening.:shrug:

I just wonder how Oj can ever be held accountable for his debts..given the Homested Rules in Fla..Geesh he's owes 33 million in Civil Judgement, He owes back taxes not sure on amt..but is a very high figure..and thr Direct judgement fof 25-30k..There is something wrong with tht picture..Maybe I should move to florida..run up debts and skate on all those debts!..

I also wonder about that drug raid...do ya wanna bet he had been tipped off..much like the seizure raid for property at Rockingham..I have to mentioned OJ's reference to having the "Cops" in his pocket..not LE but has a few in his pocket..Sound familiar..no different than a mafia boss having insiders to tip them off to raids..humm?

LMS:punch:

[Lqqkout]

OMIG I didn't see that: what state?

It was on the KTLA website.

[AnnInOhio]

Hey Ann,
Jackets beat Predators 4-3. <------- ^5 I think LOL!

Yes did miss a good one. I don't know if you were able to record yesterdays low down but ktla has a few recordings. In particular the jailhouse recording from OJ to Prody (who wasn't there instead Arnelle was the reciever.)

http://www.ktla.com/ojsimpson

I'm hoping I've got it all. I've listened to the end of the cop's testimony and am now listening to McClinton's.

[RGG]

Just looking at the taxes on Simpson and Yales houses - no WAY could I have paid those amounts, even when I was working:
OJ:
Combined taxes and assessments (gross amount) for 2007 : $13786.01
Yale and Elyse (his wife):
Combined taxes and assessments (gross amount) for 2007 : $18664.24

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Just looking at the taxes on Simpson and Yales houses - no WAY could I have paid those amounts, even when I was working:
OJ:
Combined taxes and assessments (gross amount) for 2007 : $13786.01
Yale and Elyse (his wife):
Combined taxes and assessments (gross amount) for 2007 : $18664.24


YIKS..and I complain about my property taxes at 2000.00/annual.Are you including income tax etc?

Whoops..just read again Property taxes..Yiks!!!!! Me Bad..but then again how does Yale pay his taxes..OJ has no income to pay him..Ohhlaalaa..I would love to be a fly on the wall to see their tax returns..!!
LMS:shrug:

[RGG]

I just wonder how Oj can ever be held accountable for his debts..given the Homested Rules in Fla..Geesh he's owes 33 million in Civil Judgement, He owes back taxes not sure on amt..but is a very high figure..and thr Direct judgement fof 25-30k..There is something wrong with tht picture..Maybe I should move to florida..run up debts and skate on all those debts!..

I also wonder about that drug raid...do ya wanna bet he had been tipped off..much like the seizure raid for property at Rockingham..I have to mentioned OJ's reference to having the "Cops" in his pocket..not LE but has a few in his pocket..Sound familiar..no different than a mafia boss having insiders to tip them off to raids..humm?

LMS:punch:

Most of the rich folks move to FL - it makes sense if you want to ditch any responsibilities and hold onto your loot by what laws they dish up to your plate.

I had to laugh when I look at the taxes in most of the Florida counties....they sock it to the homeowner like crazy (note the taxes OJ and Galanter paid 2007) - but that's probably cheaper if you're trying to stay under the wire.

Your link was great reading but I just cannot compliment Couric on this interview of OJ - she asked the same questions twice - kids, Goldman and getting his judgment, "IF" he did it, and a couple of other things.

I enjoyed this however:
"Yale Galanter: “I do. I absolutely do. And that's the type of work I was talking about. He—O.J. has not gotten any offers for mainstream corporate America. He hasn't gotten an offer from Hertz. He certainly has gotten an offer from NBC or an offer from ABC.etc......" "But my phone rings off the hook everyday with him getting specific offers. And, you know, 99 out of 100 of them we turn down just because we don't think that they're of the stature and class level that should be bestowed on him.”"barf

There were other places as well....OJ discussing the problem with Nicole and her druggies and you "don't do that around my kids"....

Thanks for the link - what a trip to Wonderland!

[Lyndawitha"Y]

My Goodness..given the property taxes alone..gives me some insight to overhead of both Yale and OJ..One must consider the regular monthly bills ontop of that..i.e. Mortgage payments..hydro..phone..cable..auto leases..insurances..food..entertainment (huge for them)..clothing..toilet paper (must be alot in their households)..food, liquor....gas/oil for vehicles..travel expenses..household expenses..MAN oh MAN..No wonder he looks for "Freebies"!!

LMS:lol:

[RGG]

Oh - another reply Lyndawitha"Y: - tipped off on the drug raid? You're kidding, right? After reading that Couric interview hearing that OJ gets along so well with the police. Give me a break! OJ probably has several guys on the force that not only clue OJ in, but know:no: where all the best prices are - or better still - if they do a drug raid maybe they send some of the "stash" OJ's way?

[RGG]

My Goodness..given the property taxes alone..gives me some insight to overhead of both Yale and OJ..One must consider the regular monthly bills ontop of that..i.e. Mortgage payments..hydro..phone..cable..auto leases..insurances..food..entertainment (huge for them)..clothing..toilet paper (must be alot in their households)..food, liquor....gas/oil for vehicles..travel expenses..household expenses..MAN oh MAN..No wonder he looks for "Freebies"!!

LMS:lol:
ROFLMBO - "TOILET PAPER????" hahahaha - thanks so much, I needed that. Family Dollar had a sale on 12 for $3 yesterday!:eek:

Nite folks :seeya:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Most of the rich folks move to FL - it makes sense if you want to ditch any responsibilities and hold onto your loot by what laws they dish up to your plate.

I had to laugh when I look at the taxes in most of the Florida counties....they sock it to the homeowner like crazy (note the taxes OJ and Galanter paid 2007) - but that's probably cheaper if you're trying to stay under the wire.

Your link was great reading but I just cannot compliment Couric on this interview of OJ - she asked the same questions twice - kids, Goldman and getting his judgment, "IF" he did it, and a couple of other things.

I enjoyed this however:
"Yale Galanter: “I do. I absolutely do. And that's the type of work I was talking about. He—O.J. has not gotten any offers for mainstream corporate America. He hasn't gotten an offer from Hertz. He certainly has gotten an offer from NBC or an offer from ABC.etc......" "But my phone rings off the hook everyday with him getting specific offers. And, you know, 99 out of 100 of them we turn down just because we don't think that they're of the stature and class level that should be bestowed on him.”"barf

There were other places as well....OJ discussing the problem with Nicole and her druggies and you "don't do that around my kids"....

Thanks for the link - what a trip to Wonderland!

You know what?, with Yale there..I do think that certain questions COULD NOT BE ASKED...so really dont blame her on this interview not getting to the meat of things..Yale is not so stupid to let OJ admit anything he could be held accountable for..his (Yale) whole professional career in past 8 years has been to have OJ avoid any accountability..

LMShammer

[Lqqkout]

I just wonder how Oj can ever be held accountable for his debts..given the Homested Rules in Fla..Geesh he's owes 33 million in Civil Judgement, He owes back taxes not sure on amt..but is a very high figure..and thr Direct judgement fof 25-30k..There is something wrong with tht picture..Maybe I should move to florida..run up debts and skate on all those debts!..

I also wonder about that drug raid...do ya wanna bet he had been tipped off..much like the seizure raid for property at Rockingham..I have to mentioned OJ's reference to having the "Cops" in his pocket..not LE but has a few in his pocket..Sound familiar..no different than a mafia boss having insiders to tip them off to raids..humm?

LMS:punch:

The Homestead Act is available in I believe every state in the US. What it does is protect your primary home from being seized by creditors up to $500,000 as long as the Declaration was obtained before the judgement. Such as if your child is driving and is in an accident, your home would be protected from seizure.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

The Homestead Act is available in I believe every state in the US. What it does is protect your primary home from being seized by creditors up to $500,000 as long as the Declaration was obtained before the judgement. Such as if your child is driving and is in an accident, your home would be protected from seizure.

TY for that info...not sure just how many states would apply this rule..but for myself..nothing is safe if you owe money..course I live in Canada/Ontario and really dont whine about having to pay up when ya owe...There's always bankrupsy..and other venues..

To maniplulate your items with low lives is beyond to me..and to blame others for your woo's another..OJ has debt financially and should pay up..and for his felonious behaviors..he should pay up as well..

There is no such SHELTER like that "Homestead" law that I know of here in Canada...One would have to move to the Cayman Islands to avoid such seizure...not to mention sell off and transfer before any court order!! Gives new meaning to "Afore Thought", eh?

LMS:shrug:

[bearwds]

Geeze folks, I would hate to have committed a crime and have you guys turned loose. Excellent research and Links today..!!

Missed the afternoon session yesterday due to dealing with money issues (drawing cash in case of crash) ..and then politics (my other wonkish interest). Caught up with trial after-hours on yesterdays board. Sounds like Mac's testimony put a target on OJ's back, so to speak.

As far as the satellite issue mentioned in above Thread, I have a recollection.

There was a wire tap on drug dealers and OJ's name came up. Warrent prepared and executed. OJ was seen by helicopter in back yard in white bathrobe. No drugs found but the satellite set-up was noted. Yale represented OJ in some sort of a civil hearing. Negotiated $30,000 settlement. OJ wasn't at hearing and never paid the judgement. Still pending. And they got his freebie equipment.

The above is best of my memory.


bearwds

[Lqqkout]

Most of the rich folks move to FL - it makes sense if you want to ditch any responsibilities and hold onto your loot by what laws they dish up to your plate.

I had to laugh when I look at the taxes in most of the Florida counties....they sock it to the homeowner like crazy (note the taxes OJ and Galanter paid 2007) - but that's probably cheaper if you're trying to stay under the wire.

Your link was great reading but I just cannot compliment Couric on this interview of OJ - she asked the same questions twice - kids, Goldman and getting his judgment, "IF" he did it, and a couple of other things.

I enjoyed this however:
"Yale Galanter: “I do. I absolutely do. And that's the type of work I was talking about. He—O.J. has not gotten any offers for mainstream corporate America. He hasn't gotten an offer from Hertz. He certainly has gotten an offer from NBC or an offer from ABC.etc......" "But my phone rings off the hook everyday with him getting specific offers. And, you know, 99 out of 100 of them we turn down just because we don't think that they're of the stature and class level that should be bestowed on him.”"barf

There were other places as well....OJ discussing the problem with Nicole and her druggies and you "don't do that around my kids"....

Thanks for the link - what a trip to Wonderland!

The Homestead Act is available in 46 states including Georgia although your exemption is very low compared to Massachusetts where I live. It is $500,000. But, in Georgia if you have filed a Declaration of Homestead which protects your home if you should be sued, you also get a discount on your taxes. You can subtract $2000 from the assessed value of your home, pretty good. We don't get that. It is called Homestead Exemption, but you must have filed a Declaration of Homestead first.

[AnnInOhio]

My Goodness..given the property taxes alone..gives me some insight to overhead of both Yale and OJ..One must consider the regular monthly bills ontop of that..i.e. Mortgage payments..hydro..phone..cable..auto leases..insurances..food..entertainment (huge for them)..clothing..toilet paper (must be alot in their households)..food, liquor....gas/oil for vehicles..travel expenses..household expenses..MAN oh MAN..No wonder he looks for "Freebies"!!

LMS:lol:

At least I don't think there's any state income tax in Florida. Oops! N/A - OJ doesn't have any income!

[AnnInOhio]

**snip** Sounds like Mac's testimony put a target on OJ's back, so to speak. bearwds

I don't think the back is the anatomical part OJ's most worried about protecting right now. He says he wanted family photos...I think they're zeroing in on his family jewels.

[JBL]

So CJ apologized to Cashmore and McClinton for getting them involved. I don't recall Alexander saying the same thing. However to offer his lawyer to Cashmore put up a red flag for me. I didn't realize until yesterday he'd offered this to McClinton and McClinton actually met with them in their offices.

No way did the Lucerini group expect that McClinton on the stand would blurt out the law boys telling him NO GUNS. At this point he obtained his own council.

So Monday court until 3 IIRC.

McClinton will be back plus Beardsley and Det Caldwell for Monday.

Beardsley is the only one who took the stand doing a 90 degree turn around. The jury questioning about his meds = someone's on the ball that this guy isn't playing with a full deck.

Yale is looking like a shifty lawyer knowing Ehrlich and with his kid glove handling promoting Beardsley to keep on talking.

McClinton has to have the jury staring at the Lucerini team now also.
Bryson and Jones already looked bad imo, Lucerini seemed like the upstanding one, that is until yesterday.

What a day!

[AnnInOhio]

I stumbled across this article about Judge Glass' husband. Thought others might find it of interest.

http://www.lasvegasnevada.gov/Government/councilman_wolfson.htm

[JBL]

I"m amazed to read how many people have a problem with the law and the sentences charges carry.

I guess something would have to happen to them or their family members to bring it home that they really are just.

[JBL]

I am amazed at people who think they know what goes on in the minds of others when they really do not have any clue at all.

My uncle was murdered 13 years ago so don't even go there. Wanting the justice system to work for everyone the way it is supposed to is my only concern.

Obviously I don't know what goes on in others minds and now your answer stumps me even more.

And I will go there.

Making a blanket statement of what one thinks without any foundation of where your coming from to begin with let alone suggesting reducing sentences for the crime of armed robbery would work for everyone is pretty perplexing.

[JBL]

Just to clarify where I'm coming from I have family Nevada - other family members and friends who visit family in Nevada and we all frequent or stay at casino hotels in Nevada.

Knowing these crimes carry these sentences is a good thing.

With the amount of money persons carry on them just walking down LV strip or have in their hotel rooms let alone inside the casino's I can't even imagine what the crime rate would be for armed robbery should anything be reduced as far as the sentences for these crimes.

Armed robbery is armed robbery.

[JBL]

OJ's spin on things.

It was his $hit.
He states the vid shows him walking in carrying nothing.
Walked out carrying nothing
He saw no guns.
No guns were used.

He conspired to have "others" physically do the actual robbery and he was just negotiating strenuously.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

The last two standing with OJ were CJ and Ehrlich..just to remind those watchig this trial, a bit of background for these two OJ Bestest Friends:


http://www.jurorthirteen.com/GeneralCategories/CurrentTrials/OJSimpson/tabid/768/Default.aspx

Clarence “C J” Stewart, 53, who calls himself a mortgage broker, was also a golfing buddy of Simpson. He plead guilty to trying to sell cocaine to an undercover cop in Louisiana in the late 1980s.

Charles Ehrlich, 53, a real-estate agent, knew Simpson from Miami, where he also lives. Ehrlich’s criminal record includes a cocaine-trafficking conviction in the 1990s and a 2004 charge of defrauding investors in a Florida stock-buying scheme.

I find it rather ironic that both these buddies have a track record of "Cocaine" trafficking and selling...Hummm

LMS:no:

[AnnInOhio]

It seems Yale always seems to be right there in the middle of all OJ's circle of pals. I was just reading testimony from the preliminary hearing. Beardsley is asked how he knew Mr. Riccio. Beardsley's answer was "I don't know him personally, other than dealings. Mr. Galanter and I were working on a project a few years ago that involved Mr. Simpson, and at a signing that was to take place in Los Angeles, and the facility that was supposedly to have this signing, their point person was this Thomas Riccio guy, and that's all tht I know about him. I have never personally associated with him at all."

I thought there was testimony in this trial that Riccio and Beardsley had a bad previous business deal and whichever way it went one was surprised that the other would contact them. It sounds like maybe Yale is really the one who had the bad previous experience with Riccio. Wasn't Beardsley on tape telling Riccio something like OJ shouldn't trust Yale so much?

[AnnInOhio]

**snip**
http://www.jurorthirteen.com/GeneralCategories/CurrentTrials/OJSimpson/tabid/768/Default.aspx
LMS:no:

From that link I read these statements
"Gilbert has admitted that he took dozens of items from Simpson’s house, but that he was instructed to do so by OJ."

"When Simpson was asked about the theft of the items, by the court, all he had to say was that the house looked “less congested”."

Has anybody seen a link to THAT court testimony? If OJ takes the stand, I'm sure the prosecution will be able to ask him about his own prior sworn testimony regarding the items.

[AnnInOhio]

I'd bet that Beardsley is expecting to be well paid for his "forgiveness" in some manner. And I doubt OJ will get anywhere near a life sentence!

Aren't the charges are put forth by the State, not the victims? I think its kind of like charges against batterers: most states have decided to press charges against the perpetrator whether the victim wants that to happen or not.

I agree. The state could/would proceed with or without Beardsley's (or Fromong's) blessing. I agree OJ won't get life, but I think he will be found guilty and will get some prison time.

[AnnInOhio]

I remember something about Riccio making a down payment (to Beardsley or Yale?) on the deal and the deal never happened and Riccio didn't get his money back.

If Yale participates in OJ's under-the-table income schemes, how can he ethically (sp?) represent OJ in legal proceedings where OJ signs documents under oath to a Courty saying he has received no income other than his pension?

[AnnInOhio]

Also in the preliminary hearing, Beardsley was asked about his conversation with OJ during the robbery. Beardsley testified,
"Basically, I was tryng to calm him down becaue I know they wanted some answers. I could see it in his face, he wanted an explanation as to why we were there with his property, and I was trying to comment, I said, you need to talk to Yale, you need to talk to Yale, and he told me, Yale -- or the attorney was over at the hotel, over at the hotel."

The impression I get from that testimony is that Yale is often the person who is really behind the sale of OJ's "stuff" and Beardsley probably thought he had at least Yale's tacit approval to sell these items. I'm wondering if Yale has been selling OJ's stuff behind OJ's back and pocketing the money. Perhaps Yale is telling the truth about not being the attorney who advised OJ not to proceed with the sting. Perhaps what Riccio really did was give OJ a heads up that Yale was selling OJ stuff without OJ's knowledge. Yale wasn't there for the planning, maybe Yale was in town to collect an anticipated payoff.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

If Yale participates in OJ's under-the-table income schemes, how can he ethically (sp?) represent OJ in legal proceedings where OJ signs documents under oath to a Courty saying he has received no income other than his pension?


I dont think that Yale has been held accountable for his part..It seems by appearance of what he does is trumped by what he says..It's basically him claiming ignorance and denial..so in your face "Prove it" attitude. It is clear that 3rd party participations is an attempt to keep hands clean, however given the exposure of actual details by the 3rd parties could now expose Yale's culpability when investigations get underway. This is not just a few dollars here..but Millions of fraudulant hidden assets!

LMS:punch:

[JBL]

I've been looking for video of the prelim where IIRC Riccio is on the stand and pretty much disparging Beardsley as a nut case. It then pans to Yale and OJ laughing at the defense table agreeing with him.

Cnn had a nice layout of all this stuff when it was in progress and I can't even find it in archives.

Funny how all these pimps, crooks, thugs and whatever else Yale lobbed on this "goon squad" has changed his opinion of only one - Beardsley and doesn't only shut him down but wants him to talk more.

They're all corrupt from the players to the lawyers.

What's ironic is Beardsley can't file against Riccio and not against Simpson. Well he could but it's not going to float. He's handpicking who was involved. They both set it up.

[JBL]

Also in the preliminary hearing, Beardsley was asked about his conversation with OJ during the robbery. Beardsley testified,
"Basically, I was tryng to calm him down becaue I know they wanted some answers. I could see it in his face, he wanted an explanation as to why we were there with his property, and I was trying to comment, I said, you need to talk to Yale, you need to talk to Yale, and he told me, Yale -- or the attorney was over at the hotel, over at the hotel."

The impression I get from that testimony is that Yale is often the person who is really behind the sale of OJ's "stuff" and Beardsley probably thought he had at least Yale's tacit approval to sell these items. I'm wondering if Yale has been selling OJ's stuff behind OJ's back and pocketing the money. Perhaps Yale is telling the truth about not being the attorney who advised OJ not to proceed with the sting. Perhaps what Riccio really did was give OJ a heads up that Yale was selling OJ stuff without OJ's knowledge. Yale wasn't there for the planning, maybe Yale was in town to collect an anticipated payoff.


Quite different from the recording before this whole thing went down with Beardsley saying NOT TO TELL OJ.


IMO Beardsley is just name dropping and does so to look like an important "playa" in the memorbilia game.

Beardsley was trying to incorporate into the testimony that he IS friends with OJ being at his house and what not. Yale very carefully without calling him out that he is NOT a friend of OJ's was trying to illicit that these were public affairs at OJ's house that he attended.

Yale had a fine line to walk there. He NOW wants Beardsley in without calling him out on the whole truth of the matter.

[JBL]

Was Yale in town during all this? I missed that. I was thinking the lawyer referred to "over at the hotel" was probably Lucerini (sp).

Turns out Yale was in town but at an unrelated hotel and unrelated circumstances (don't know where or what the circumstances were).

Totally different lawyer at the hotel with OJ.

Ann remember the press conference fit Yale thru about some other lawyer saying they were representing OJ? (Think OJ #1 fan vid )

OJ and Yale have more twists and turns and circumstantial things going on around the both of them that waters are constantly muddied.

I have no idea who this lawyer is (he is named somewhere) who is OJ's lawyer but not representing OJ on any matters (according to Yale anyways) as Yale is OJ's only lawyer.

[RGG]

JBL - best I could located on Riccio/Beardsley and "raving Loon" etc. are here:

http://www.thelegaledge.com/index.php?live_daily#
Pick the following video:
September 22 AM UpdateTom Riccio gets into it with Judge Glass and further distances OJ from the gun in room 1203.

Here's cnn's transcript:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0709/18/lkl.01.html

Sorry - couldn't find the video for you.:rolleyes:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Hey, I am trying to schedule this week coming up, so please correct me if I get things wrong...
1) McClinton still on Direct?
2) Court going until 3PM tomorrow (Mon.)?
3) Court closed on Tuesday?
4) Pros. to close when McClinton finished?

Do I have that timeline right?

Next..Anybody know how many Defense witnesses are scheduled?. and just aggressive will CJ's posse be in their case in chief? (Bryson and CO.?)

I dont know about you guys, but the defense of OJ and CJ have created in my minds eye a defense that really denotes many red flags to me. They claim innocence on the back of a false premise (proved by tapes) They challenge evidence by trying to supress evidence, they spin negative evidence as "Not proof of", they hope to present an innocent cause and effect, yet not allowing context to be brought out, and then, finally hope to nullify that one or two jurors by creating an aura of "OJ is above this" or OJ was a target..I for one knowing most of the facts dont buy it!!

LMS:seeya:

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Sounds right but I missed that court is dark Tues. I like your other points.

[AnnInOhio]

Quite different from the recording before this whole thing went down with Beardsley saying NOT TO TELL OJ.

IMO Beardsley is just name dropping and does so to look like an important "playa" in the memorbilia game.

Beardsley was trying to incorporate into the testimony that he IS friends with OJ being at his house and what not. Yale very carefully without calling him out that he is NOT a friend of OJ's was trying to illicit that these were public affairs at OJ's house that he attended.

Yale had a fine line to walk there. He NOW wants Beardsley in without calling him out on the whole truth of the matter.

I found THIS interesting from Beardsley's preliminary hearing testimony.
"Q. Did you say, we'll all get arrested, dude, because you knew if the police came out here because Bruce went and got his gun, that you were all going to go down, becaue the property was stolen?"
"A. No, I would hae ebeen concerned about whehter Bruce's gun was legal or not. I didn't know if it was registered or what the circumstancs were of his gun, and that is why I would have been concerned. The property, I'm covered where the property is concerned. I have nine-and-a-half hours of audio tape of Mr. Galanter and myself discussing that property and circumstances about it, so I'm comfortable."

Looks like maybe Beardsley has been known to do a little CYA audiotaping of his own throught the years!

[AnnInOhio]

By the way, I found the preliminary hearing transcripts here...
http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/media/C237890/

Go down to the files in blue that say, for example,
2007-12-26 Reporter's Transcript of Proceedings 65.tif

[Details]

In terms of jail time - there's a huge difference between the maximum a crime can carry, and the sentence given. It's all about the severity of the crime actually committed. Armed robbery, for instance - very different sentences are given depending on whether the 'arm' is a gun, knife, baseball bat, sub-machine gun, etc. Whether the gun is ever fired. Whether it is pointed at anyone. In terms of armed robberies, this one is in the middle of the road on severity, somewhat on the light side, so the sentence will likely reflect that. Likewise the kidnapping charge - kidnapping is anything from blocking a door for a few minutes with your body, to using guns and thugs to grab a child at the bus stop and hold them in your basement for a few years. Obviously this kidnapping is on the very light end of that crime, so it would be expected that the sentence will be at the very bottom end of the range for a kidnapping.

And, of course, the other factor - the past history of the defendant. If they've got a long history of armed robbery convictions, they'll get a harsher sentence. OJ doesn't have the long history, and that's another reason he'll get nothing like the maximum sentence.


All of this, of course, is if the judge follows the usual methods most follow for sentencing. The prosecution always asks for something on the harsh edge, the defense always talks about what a nice criminal this is, let's give him probation, and the judge picks whatever they think fits the crime and criminal the best.




To create interest/outrage/entertainment/gratification/viewership, the media plays with us - they may take a hideous crime and point out that the laws could only result in probation! Or take another crime, add all of the maximum possible sentences together as if consecutive is the only option, and make it seem that a crime is being hideously overcharged. It's all a game - and we're the board. If they make you upset, you get up in arms over how this is too much time, write letters to the editor, watch the station to follow the case - they've gotten what they wanted. Viewers, and thus advertising dollars.

[JBL]

I found THIS interesting from Beardsley's preliminary hearing testimony.
"Q. Did you say, we'll all get arrested, dude, because you knew if the police came out here because Bruce went and got his gun, that you were all going to go down, becaue the property was stolen?"
"A. No, I would hae ebeen concerned about whehter Bruce's gun was legal or not. I didn't know if it was registered or what the circumstancs were of his gun, and that is why I would have been concerned. The property, I'm covered where the property is concerned. I have nine-and-a-half hours of audio tape of Mr. Galanter and myself discussing that property and circumstances about it, so I'm comfortable."

Looks like maybe Beardsley has been known to do a little CYA audiotaping of his own throught the years!

I was trying to recall just where this "stolen" property story started from. Riccio never got on tape from Beardsley that it was stolen just alluded to. The only one claiming theft is OJ who in turn told Riccio it was stolen from him.

I'm inclined to believe that none of this property was stolen from OJ. It was given to Mike technically. Whether Mike was supposed to syphon it back to OJ and pulled a doublecross or took it as payment for services rendered is anyone's guess. But that sure does explain why OJ never filed a police report for these items so near and dear to his heart.

9 1/2 hours with Gallanter ay? Sounds like they're both "cool" with it. heh heh.

I'm not sure what would be worse if it happened. Spending the 9 1/2 with Gallanter or with Beardsley.


I can't believe 1 word out of Beardsley's mouth. I'll wait for the tape to surface LOL!

[JBL]

In terms of jail time - there's a huge difference between the maximum a crime can carry, and the sentence given. It's all about the severity of the crime actually committed. Armed robbery, for instance - very different sentences are given depending on whether the 'arm' is a gun, knife, baseball bat, sub-machine gun, etc. Whether the gun is ever fired. Whether it is pointed at anyone. In terms of armed robberies, this one is in the middle of the road on severity, somewhat on the light side, so the sentence will likely reflect that. Likewise the kidnapping charge - kidnapping is anything from blocking a door for a few minutes with your body, to using guns and thugs to grab a child at the bus stop and hold them in your basement for a few years. Obviously this kidnapping is on the very light end of that crime, so it would be expected that the sentence will be at the very bottom end of the range for a kidnapping.

And, of course, the other factor - the past history of the defendant. If they've got a long history of armed robbery convictions, they'll get a harsher sentence. OJ doesn't have the long history, and that's another reason he'll get nothing like the maximum sentence.


All of this, of course, is if the judge follows the usual methods most follow for sentencing. The prosecution always asks for something on the harsh edge, the defense always talks about what a nice criminal this is, let's give him probation, and the judge picks whatever they think fits the crime and criminal the best.




To create interest/outrage/entertainment/gratification/viewership, the media plays with us - they may take a hideous crime and point out that the laws could only result in probation! Or take another crime, add all of the maximum possible sentences together as if consecutive is the only option, and make it seem that a crime is being hideously overcharged. It's all a game - and we're the board. If they make you upset, you get up in arms over how this is too much time, write letters to the editor, watch the station to follow the case - they've gotten what they wanted. Viewers, and thus advertising dollars.


That's exactly correct regarding the flexibility in the sentences attached to crimes. Very few times does a Judge want to make an example of someone giving the max when they have no previous convictions. Not saying it doesn't happen but I highly doubt it will happen here.

[JBL]

Hey, I am trying to schedule this week coming up, so please correct me if I get things wrong...
1) McClinton still on Direct?
2) Court going until 3PM tomorrow (Mon.)?
3) Court closed on Tuesday?
4) Pros. to close when McClinton finished?

Do I have that timeline right?

Next..Anybody know how many Defense witnesses are scheduled?. and just aggressive will CJ's posse be in their case in chief? (Bryson and CO.?)

I dont know about you guys, but the defense of OJ and CJ have created in my minds eye a defense that really denotes many red flags to me. They claim innocence on the back of a false premise (proved by tapes) They challenge evidence by trying to supress evidence, they spin negative evidence as "Not proof of", they hope to present an innocent cause and effect, yet not allowing context to be brought out, and then, finally hope to nullify that one or two jurors by creating an aura of "OJ is above this" or OJ was a target..I for one knowing most of the facts dont buy it!!

LMS:seeya:


) McClinton still on Direct?

Yes this is correct. Plus a subpeona was being issued and the Judge was making arrangements to hold Beardsley and bring him back. Yale and Grasso want another bite at the apple that Beardsley was not coerced to do his 180 turn around because of that jail house phone call to Arnelle where OJ says he had a loooooooong talk with Beardsley and he doesn't want to go thru with this any longer. Det Caldwell is to return regarding that jail house recording to.

2) Court going until 3PM tomorrow (Mon.)?
Correct

3) Court closed on Tuesday?
Correct. Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year.

4) Pros. to close when McClinton finished
To the best of my knowledge this is also correct.

I have no idea how many defense witness's. I know Det Caldwell is on there , Beardsley is being brought back. The Sargent (Perkins is it?) Caldwell's superior is being brought back also. Someone mentioned OJ's sister who is not in court will be on the witness stand and is the reason she hasn't been in attendance. You know Arnelle hasn't been there either, or Scotto. Just some thoughts but I don't have a list.

Matlock - I mean Bryson :rolleyes: Jones and Luccerini (sp?) I find to be a joke. Even Gallanter seemed to be rolling his eyes and condensending to them at the end of the day on Friday. Yale has some more tricks up his sleeve IMO and will continue to put out "his ground rules" and take charge of that court. I hope Judge Glass owns up and keeps a reign on things.

They only chance the defense has is to muddy the waters and confuse the jurors to what the charges actually are.

Judge Glass has made it difficult for the State to make it's case I'll agree not allowing for the actual ownership to come in while the defense is pushing ownership and that the owner is OJ.

I hope the State can straighten this out on it's closing arguments and the jury can understand.

[JBL]

The judge may give him more than 10 - I know you can't take into account the Simpson/Goldman case, but he's been thumbing his nose at the law ever since he was acquitted. The judge may give him more time just to show him he isn't above the law like he thinks he is - JMO

As much as I agree with you sadly I found this article:
September 28, 2008
Las Vegas Sun


http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/aug/31/locking-criminals-locks-rising-costs/

Clark County District Attorney David Roger is among those who believe authorities are putting the right offenders behind bars.

“People have to work real hard in the state of Nevada to land in prison,” Roger said. “We don’t send first-time offenders to prison and often we don’t send second- or third-time offenders unless they commit a heinous crime. The Legislature will have to make a difficult policy decision in 2009,” Roger added. “Do they fund additional space or reduce the prison population? If they reduce the prison population, there’s a substantial risk crime will go up.”

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The judge may give him more than 10 - I know you can't take into account the Simpson/Goldman case, but he's been thumbing his nose at the law ever since he was acquitted. The judge may give him more time just to show him he isn't above the law like he thinks he is - JMOIt's an armed robbery, basicly. Most of those involve this same level of kidnapping. What time he gets is based on the charges that make it through - but I'd bet on 15 years, eligible for probation in 5 as the final result. Consecutive rather than concurrent running for sentences for the multiple crimes.

Just my wild guess. It's so hard to tell what someone will get. But there usually are sentencing guidelines, and not following them would be an appealable decision, and I'm pretty sure those will put Simpson on the lower end of the kidnapping, midrange of the armed robbery charges.

[JBL]

The above article might account for the sentences reached in the plea deals.

I wonder if the same thing applies to defendants who plead not guilty.

I have a very hard time expecting OJ to be found not guilty when his posse albeit 1 have admitted their part and made a plea deal.


OJ along with CJ's refusal to admit to any part is what may gain them time behind bars.

Now it's kinda of making sense as to why Gallanter and Grasso are asking the defendants what their deals were so if (hopefully when) OJ and CJ are found guilty they will still receive a light sentence. This has to be for the Judge as the jury doesn't choose the sentence.

Cooperation does make a difference and Gallanter knows this.

I don't think he knew exactly how much OJ had against him and never would have imagined that OJ's goon squad would roll on OJ.

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... “We don’t send first-time offenders to prison and often we don’t send second- or third-time offenders unless they commit a heinous crime.That sure fits the deals the accessories were given in this case.